The WAN Show - Artistic Nudity Stream - WAN Show December 15, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 What is up everybody and welcome to the WAN show! We've got a great show for you guys this week of course! The big news is the big change in Twitch's terms of service. Naturally, since we do stream on Twitch, this is going to have a big impact on the WAN show where finally... We're gonna be able to do all the things we've always wanted to do we've got fuzzy handcuffs we've got silicone nipple covers i really don't know what this had to do with anything but we've also got other more different nipple covers oh yeah oh geez also today i don't know what else is oh how do you transition off that epic Epic finally won something! That's right!

Starting point is 00:00:51 A jury has sided with Epic in their lawsuit against Google, agreeing that Google used anti-competitive business practices. We'll be talking a little bit about that and what else we got. Did I manage to pick your two again? Ah, you did. Go Linus! AMD says overclocking is still okay, despite saying that overclocking is not okay. Yeah, it's complicated. It's weird.

Starting point is 00:01:09 It's actually very complicated. I don't understand it. I would be confused if I was trying to do that. Also, you can't check who's monetized on YouTube anymore. Yeah. So on the surface, I can kind of see how maybe that's not that big of a deal. But the deeper you go, the more insidious it appears to be. i wasn't fast enough to actually look like you're bringing medical supplies do you want the silicone covers or do you want the x's either is an option wow i didn't know

Starting point is 00:02:03 we were actually doing this uh i don't care i think do you want to rock paper scissors or something sure yeah we can rock paper scissors is there a more like lewd version of rock paper scissors uh i mean you could have um it's a little early in the show to uh you know you could have what penises vaginas and wow none of that was censored he did not press the button those aren't bad words those are body parts there's nothing wrong with them yep okay so uh don't worry we're gonna talk about the aspects of it that twitch has rolled back we're gonna we're gonna get into it but first we need to choose what we're going to be wearing yeah

Starting point is 00:02:42 okay rock paper scissors let's just stick with rocks papers which one are we going for uh yeah you gotta you gotta decide which which one do you get if you win i don't dan choose uh it gets which uh if luke wins he gets the silicone okay okay okay what rock paper scissors shoot what is your i mean technically i won no i i mean i'm pretty sure the people all saw that i just won okay so rock paper scissors shoot yeah yeah okay all right i guess i won so which one sorry i don't remember what i was fighting for uh so you get the x's then i think all right because if luke won he got the silicon okay wait so then luke gets the same thing regardless of the outcome oh no sorry i'm

Starting point is 00:03:33 not sure if i follow i don't think he saw who won uh so then linus you uh you get the silicon oh i get this i forgot the rule that I set five seconds earlier. Wow, 100% silicone. Very cool. Does it actually stick on? Is it adhesive? I have no idea, Luke. Does this look like the kind of thing I've used before?

Starting point is 00:03:55 Don't answer that on this show. I wonder if they look good over your eyes. Now, that's like some nightmare fuel right there go to linus hello iless man look at you some type of like bee or something yeah this is great bernie in floatplane chat says it looks like a chicken fillet we're doing it yeah i mean okay okay we're not even covering anything it's not lewd what do you put are you at oh you're just putting on your shirt okay yeah whatever it's not a big deal i don't know sometimes it's hard to tell how far you're wanting to go with

Starting point is 00:04:35 something that's why we have safe words oh does hr watch the land show i was talking to nick light about that apparently not okay well that's probably a good thing we both decided the same yeah oh man all right so while he's working on that uh twitch allows then bans the drawing of broobs. If I say a word that's not even a word, then no one can get mad at me for it, right? There's lots of sources for this. But two days ago, Twitch adjusted its terms of service to allow artistic depictions of nudity, such as drawings or sculptures of breasts buttocks and genitalia as long as the content was correctly labeled depictions of sex acts were still excluded

Starting point is 00:05:32 twitch likewise broadened its policy to allow content that deliberately highlights breasts buttocks or the pelvic region including body writing and body paint on breasts and buttocks. Nudity, however, was still prohibited. Today, Twitch reversed the new policy following a massive wave because who could have seen this coming? Of lewd art that fell both within and outside of the policy's new scope twitch stated and this is

Starting point is 00:06:08 a quote much of the content created has been met with community concern these are concerns we share upon reflection we have decided that we went too far with this change digital depictions of nudity present a unique challenge ai can be used to create realistic images and it can be hard to distinguish between digital art and photography i don't even think that's the biggest of the issues but sure the change was an apparent response to the banning of only fans model morg pie following a viral topless stream while she certainly appeared to be topless her chest was not fully visible leading to a debate over whether she had in fact broken the rules and our discussion

Starting point is 00:06:51 question here is uh should there be a greater tolerance for non-sexual nudity on twitch why can't there be that's an interesting topic of discussion but there's something more important that i want to address and that is is that really where your nipples are uh yeah no I'm just I'm just kidding that's a perfectly good place for them you're doing great good job um sorry okay what I wanted what I want to talk about is what was the actual motivation for this change is your dad dying in the background these people pay my bills okay sorry what's up what was the uh yeah what i want to talk about is what what let's speculate let's play the speculation game what was the actual reason

Starting point is 00:07:40 for this change because on the surface it looks like it was as simple as only fans is making a ton of money from people just throwing dollars at their screens um and then taking a cut of it and that seems like something that we'd love to participate in i mean i guess it's kind of a natural broadening of twitch's of twitch's content scope i mean you'd get you've sort of done before with like the hot tubs channels and stuff i don't even just mean that we can go back farther than that you'd get laughed out of the room these days for saying what are you doing streaming on twitch you're not even gaming yeah like that used to be absolutely a thing we used to we used to get flack in the chat

Starting point is 00:08:25 on wan show with people saying so it's a talk show there's no game on screen you shouldn't even be you shouldn't even be streaming on twitch against terms of service like people were actually angry about it you couldn't do 3d printing and nowadays pretty much anything goes within categories like just chatting and irl and so it's not like they haven't dramatically broadened the type of content on the platform before maybe to them did this just seem as simple as i don't know broadening the content again as long as it's labeled clearly what is the difference between this content being on twitch tv versus this content being at an eight second google search assuming you're on dial-up often for the same on some other site exactly and so with that in mind do you think

Starting point is 00:09:14 it was that simple i think that might be part of it i i think also there's like, I think Twitch suffers because there are, I think maybe their rules are like more defined. I haven't, I haven't really compared, but it feels like their rules are more defined than other platforms. Cause like, if you're going to try to say, uh, YouTube doesn't have this stuff, you're nuts. Oh, a hundred percent all over YouTube. But no one looks at YouTube and says like, oh, that's a website that has this stuff you're nuts oh 100 all over youtube i have no one looks at new youtube and

Starting point is 00:09:45 says like oh that's a website that has this stuff that's not a uh a consistent conversation i have not to the same degree as a platform like twitter but i have absolutely come across very lewd videos on youtube completely by accident one was i mean and sometimes it's it's not even in the ways that you would twitter it's like oh constant you click on anything trending and you scroll and you're just like oh well there's a butt yeah even even if just some random tweet that isn't even on the trending section but if it just gets a little bit too much traction yeah there you go yeah you'll just you'll just get people promoting their only fans or just just posting pornography for no reason other than just because i guess they want to yeah um but so so it's not nearly to that degree but you know

Starting point is 00:10:30 sometimes on youtube it's not in the ways that you would expect like one of the times i saw what i thought was probably the the most lewd thing i've come across on the platform i think ever i'm just i'm just trying to think um it was it was some kind of music video and so it was kind of it was kind of mainstream ish yeah but definitely too racy for you to ever see it on something like mtv like it not you know not only were there just breasts bouncing around people dancing around but like you know consuming shots off them yeah so it's like to me that that crosses way over from nudity into a sex act the name starts with wet i actually have no idea yeah uh oh oh uh the nikki mingaj one i don't know is that or cardi b sorry i don't remember oh i don't know i think all the young young people cried out and then were suddenly silenced just now.

Starting point is 00:11:27 I'm sorry. I don't know who these people are. Anyway, the point is, no, no, it was some random. It was like obscure. Okay. Yeah. And like I. But yeah, that's like totally a thing.

Starting point is 00:11:37 I've never seen it before. I've never seen it again. I just was like, seriously, this is on YouTube. So like when that's happening on YouTube, it's all over Twitter. I don't use it, but I'm assuming it's all over TikTok. I have no idea. And I also don't go to this website, but I'm assuming this is a thing on Kik.

Starting point is 00:11:55 Like, why do they have to have specific rules that are more aggressive than other platforms? I think they're also... they're they're probably feeling like they have more pressure on them than other platforms to actually do something about it i think that's because they talk about it more i think youtube and these other platforms just ignore it yeah well it's not just that the twitch community talks about it a lot because whether twitch and people try to push the lines more i think whether twitch um how much responsibility twitch bears for this i think is open for debate but twitch certainly is in the conversation around you know people streaming on the platform and cultivating an

Starting point is 00:12:41 audience offboarding to only fans based on appearance and even well even before only fans existed the conversation around streamers on Twitch oh I see attracting people through because of their appearance instead of their like gameplay or whatever or whatever yeah so I almost wonder if part of this conversation is just vestigial from when twitch was supposed to be about gameplay and nothing else. And what are, what are people doing on here? Not focused on the gameplay. And it's,

Starting point is 00:13:09 it's more about this. I think there's a relatively simple counter argument to that, that I've heard a bunch of times from a bunch of people, which is like, if someone is sitting here watching a certain piece of content because they want to look at someone that they think is attractive, that person is probably not going to come watch your game stream yeah like it's a different audience member therefore

Starting point is 00:13:31 you're not losing anything from them looking at somebody else because they would have been looking at somebody else on some other platform anyways so like who cares um i've heard that from quite a few different people i think that holds a lot of water personally like i don't know like they're not they're not coming here to watch you play league of legends right now they want to look at attractive person um if they can't look at attractive person on twitch they'll go look at them somewhere else um so i um i do also definitely see some of the arguments against you know if twitch's position let's say is you know realistically this is a this is a quick google search away uh what difference does it make if it's a click or you know entering what is it nine nine keystrokes um but on the other hand you know i do kind of understand too it's like this is a site

Starting point is 00:14:26 whose brand is well hold on no not that i just i clicked on a category on twitch and was immediately assaulted i oh okay why would you do that what's the category uh just chatting and there was no blurred thumbnails the least they could do is wear these okay well they might be that's true they're below the frame that's true they're actually not in frame uh um okay well at any rate so the you're really undermining the point i'm trying to make here right now because I was going to say Twitch's brand on the face of it is more minor friendly.

Starting point is 00:15:11 It's gaming and video gaming. Yeah. But I guess here's the question. I mean, is gaming that minor friendly inherently anymore? Like, I haven't played The Witcher 3. I've only played the first half an hour've only played the first half an hour and within the first within the first half an hour there's a lot of butts um baller skate 3 is like a very horny game well like it just is i don't know um yeah i don't know i i think twitch had that reputation

Starting point is 00:15:52 and i think that maybe some of that still stays just from people that don't use the platform too much but i think if you're like a twitch person and you're on the platform all the time you're aware that just chatting is like by far the biggest category and stuff like this happens all the time in that category there's the like hot tubs category or whatever they have a they have uh all these other things like i i just i think they've they've gone a little bit further than dipping their toe for a long time now. Here's the question then. Given that their brand, whether it should be or not, has been this for a very long time. Yeah, we're already here.

Starting point is 00:16:38 I'm going to ask a question that you might not even want to answer. Okay. Should Twitch have just stuck to their guns and just said, yeah, this kind of soft core pornography is just part of the site now if you don't like it you don't have to look at it um yes we're that desperate because our our lunch is getting eaten by companies that are just willing to allow this on their platform and realistically what difference does it make if we have an age verification check versus their age verification check? I mean, it's on there.

Starting point is 00:17:07 Do you imagine your kids aren't finding this stuff? I think the thing that makes me want to defend them sticking to their guns is that the other platforms are doing it. It's just not getting talked about as much. Like we said, it's on YouTube. It does feel like a bit of a double standard, doesn't it? It's everywhere else. It's just not on Twitch so much. Sticking to their guns. Sorry, we've got some. Apparently apparently that's a colloquialism that is more local than i realized

Starting point is 00:17:29 it means just it means holding their ground yeah just staying the course and going yeah these are the new terms of service we don't really care about the backlash realistically is how it is this is how it is yeah yeah because twitch feels like it gets way disproportionate amount of attention uh on this in particular and i don't necessarily know why it might be because discoverability on twitch is really hard for people um and it's an extremely competitive space and it's an extremely competitive space with a large amount of people trying to get into it um and it's hard to even niche out in twitch because of how like the categories works and stuff like that um so i could i could see it being more more of a point of contention of like people

Starting point is 00:18:11 being like oh no they're taking my viewers but i think really the biggest takeaway of that is like if someone wants to watch that despite these currently being on they're not going to come watch wanshow we're not losing any viewers um that are like because those people would just go to another website anyways you know like it's it just doesn't i i don't know um it's not like it's not like there's this pool of people that like it's their job to watch twitch this exact amount of people will watch twitch and you get to pull from that group of people that's not how the internet works right so you're basically saying it's not a zero-sum game yeah yeah so i don't know so is there an argument to be made that the game streamers could benefit from overall increased

Starting point is 00:18:54 traffic on the site and they should just not worry about it because if that person is no longer interested in watching that particular stream for some various particular reason they might now be more interested in watching gaming content and maybe they'll stick around and check yours out or the whole site because creators tend to be very algorithmically driven the whole site might just devolve into maybe whether it's you know cutting off your camera right here and just chatting or whether it's installing nudie mods on all the games you're playing it might just devolve into freaking everything just being butts and not being able to avoid it and if this is a site you care about a community that you love that might be really upsetting for you

Starting point is 00:19:35 if you're just not that into that and you wish it would just go back to the way it is i mean that's a legitimate position totally i just think we're kind of past that already, personally. Even without this change. Like I said, we've had hot tubs for a long time. It's not just a gaming platform anymore. It just isn't. Just chatting is very legitimately, by a lot, the biggest category on the platform. Now, you could say that gaming should be a category against something as broad as just chatting but it isn't so just chatting is always in the number one position on twitch right i don't know like there's no game right now um at least that as far as i can see in

Starting point is 00:20:19 the category view that comes to half of just chatting things like counter-strike which are like huge in the gaming space right ball of this gate 3 currently winning every award on the planet um why is anyone watching the day before whatever um well i mean they might just want to watch the dumpster fire uh counter-strike 21.4k ball this gate 3 8.9k just chatting 433 like yeah fortnite gets 171 yeah but that's still what you said it's less than half and i can't even click on this right now right because so so you didn't even have to scroll or like i did was click on just chatting and that was the top of just chatting i didn't scroll right so if you're but then but then remember too a lot of the people arguing against the terms of service change,

Starting point is 00:21:05 it's not like they're not already upset about that, and they probably don't want that to exist. But what people, I think, need to remember is that Twitch is a company owned by Amazon, a giant mega corporation that is ultimately driven by one thing, and that's what drives money. And what drives money is eyeballs. And what drives money is eyeballs and what drives eyeballs is apparently i mean i i have no way of knowing for sure i don't have their analytics it just seems like it makes sense um yeah i don't know i i've heard some ideas um but i just i just don't think it's going to go that way but i've heard some ideas, but I just, I just don't think it's going to go that way,

Starting point is 00:21:46 but I've heard some ideas of like, Oh, this is a perfect example of a opt in scenario where like, this is something you should have to manually toggle that you do want to see instead of having it be by default. But then I mean, plenty of stuff's like that. You have to,

Starting point is 00:22:00 you have to manually enable, allow explicit, you know, images or videos or whatever else it is uh but again back to the decisions being driven by at the end of the day advertising dollars which are driven by views i don't think that amazon or twitch are in any kind of position where they feel like they want people to have to click that yeah just for yeah exactly for the for the good of you know something because we care about the morality

Starting point is 00:22:31 police or whatever we're just gonna kiss goodbye some significant portion like you know from working on you know websites that the smallest amount of friction will send a user somewhere else yeah yeah absolutely and i think that's a good counter argument for what i was saying earlier about the nine key strokes versus one click right yeah that small amount of friction could actually be the difference between you know my home page on my computer is twitch tv and i want something to watch and i'm just gonna click on something right on the home page versus i'm gonna navigate to some other site like people's decision making processes really can be whatnot you clicked it again well i bet you did okay okay okay okay okay okay okay he did it

Starting point is 00:23:17 again okay okay people in full plane chat are telling me i did it wrong because i need to sort by views or viewers whatever you're gonna get us in trouble no i'm not scrolling down i'm still i'm staying oh i see um i see but it didn't fix it no because i won't scroll down for you but this one i mean what was there last time i have i have no way of knowing what's below that purple bar yeah i think you need to scroll no i will not to review i'm going back here and then i'll scroll here there done oh hold on uh it doesn't it i just scrolled on the main winter wizard has quoted you here just checking yeah luke lefrenier 2023 oh my goodness just checking my chance that i did it wrong i used the default option the first time which is just clicking on the chat category and

Starting point is 00:24:03 that's what it showed and then i clicked on views high to low and it was still there so you guys are wrong get wrecked anyway i i i don't know the right answer here on the one hand i'm not logged in get over it oh my goodness people got him i don't know the right answer here on the one hand i do think twitch has sort of been unfairly singled out here there is a ton of this content available on basically any video or image like media sharing site on the entire internet and you're not going to stop it um but on the other hand you know should there be should should it matter you know what your brand is and if your brand is supposed to be gaming should you at least pretend to give a

Starting point is 00:24:55 about i think i think even a lot of the just chatting streams are i i can't check supposed to be you know with gamers with people who are culturally gamers you know i don't know if that's even true though a lot of a lot of really big streamers that i can think of okay like who uh what's the i don't remember his name yeah you built a computer for him. Oh. Does he game ever? I don't think so. I think so.

Starting point is 00:25:30 Hassan, right? Yeah. Does he game ever? I think so. I have no idea. I mean, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't watch Twitch. I didn't watch any of his videos before we did the collab,

Starting point is 00:25:42 and I haven't really tuned into anything after, which may surprise some of you. Okay, he does stream in luke not just chatting what i all i did was go to the home page and i am immediately mcdonald's and low-cut tops let's go yeah um i don't know but like yeah yeah they can maybe do stuff with their uh uh yeah see i jumped to youtube and that did not happen to me um no i think at some point he probably did play games or something but i don't really go to his channel there's a uh a thing hasanabi's recently streamed categories and yeah just chatting is in number one and then there's special events which is also there but then he's got like lethal company which as far as i know is a newer game

Starting point is 00:26:48 so this must have been somewhat recently okay um i don't know though again i don't i don't do the watching of the streams that's fair i i can't find anything that doesn't seem to be anything other than sort of yeah neither can i so i don't know yeah predominantly talk show yeah so i i think i think there genuinely is quite a few creators on the platform that are just talk show there's also creators on the platform that just watch youtube videos and do other things like that um that aren't gaming right so yeah i don't know and it's been that way for a long time and you know what else's been that way for a long time and you know what else has been that way for a long time that's talking about this topic let's move on to something new yeah you want to pick one sure sure are we keeping on the things i mean you don't have to

Starting point is 00:27:35 i was gonna leave mine on speaking of keeping these on you can't check who's monetized on youtube anymore youtube has removed a small piece of public code that indicates whether or not a channel is currently monetized the code doesn't reveal how much uh the channel is getting just the fact that they are a part of the youtube partnership program this code has traditionally been used by creators marketers and journalists to confirm which channels are receiving money and by and by people of various motivations looking to petition YouTube to demonetize a particular channel. Okay, I got you. This change has also broken several internet tools, such as Is This Channel Monetized?,

Starting point is 00:28:14 which, when asked if Linus Tech Tips is monetized, simply responds that the user is sending too many requests. What? Also known as It's Not Working. Oh, okay. I thought we meant that it was like specific to our channel that it no i i think what they mean is that they tried it on our channel and that's the error code that it's currently spitting out because it is broken um discussion question should details about who and who isn't monetized be more or less readily available

Starting point is 00:28:41 i don't know i can think of almost. I can think of, almost immediately, I can think of why YouTube would have wanted to do this, which I think is one point that we didn't necessarily bring up much about Twitch, which is I think part of their motivation is just hoping that they can spend less time moderating and hoping that they can spend less time dealing with the fact that

Starting point is 00:29:01 one of the bigger Twitter accounts i know about is literally just is this person banned on twitch or not um like that's a huge thing so yeah and anytime that conversation comes up they have to talk about it again and again yeah chat was bringing up too that you know part of the reason part of the motivation for them to change the rules might have been to just avoid this constant cycle where someone does something to push the boundaries because that's what people do and then twitch would respond often in an inconsistent manner yes and then it would spark this huge conversation where no matter what they do even if what they do is favoritism even if what they did was 100% in line with their community guidelines, the conversation would still be about how horrible Twitch is

Starting point is 00:29:50 because the rules weren't being applied evenly because of the other times that they didn't do it right. So they were basically in this catch-22 where if they don't do the right thing, then they're criticized for doing the right thing before. And if they do the right thing, they're criticized for, well, why didn't they do it before? And so they just basically said okay well then f**k it everything's allowed that seemed like a way out and then the internet exploded and moderation does not scale

Starting point is 00:30:15 well um so when you're a huge platform moderation is like a big issue but anyways coming back to youtube i think part of the reason for this is because, yeah, they don't want that type of stuff. So if they have a channel that's currently under fire and they decide to keep it monetized or not, now they don't have to deal with the flack. If they just take the flack for doing this once by shutting it down, then there's probably, I'm sure internally they were like, oh, this is going to get a bunch of bad press.

Starting point is 00:30:42 But they're like, yeah, it's going to get a bunch of bad press once. And then now we don't have to deal with this problem anymore i wouldn't be surprised if this is the first move maybe not even the first move because we could go farther back like we could go we could go back to yeah just the reduction in transparency whether it's removing access to dislikes uh whether it's running ads on non monetized channels that was a while ago but yeah that was a long time ago so that's the only reason this is a conversation at all because it used to be that you could check if a channel was monetized by just watching videos on it yeah and seeing if any ads played but nowadays it's impossible to tell because youtube will just run ads against a

Starting point is 00:31:25 channel regardless of whether they are actually paying out any revenue sharing one of the things i asked them back then was hey guys this is austin no sorry one of the things i asked them back then was hey if you guys are taking 100 of the revenue share on any video that is not youtube partner program don't you have a bit of a conflict of interest here don't you have an incentive to not allow people to promote videos that give you a 100 revenue share versus a 60 revenue share whatever the number is i forget the number because there was a theory back in the day that if you wanted to grow faster you'd turn off ads youtube has always denied uh no just a theory yeah they're they take 45 they take 45 so um so yeah so they would be taking 100 versus the 45 that they take um when there's a when the ad plays on a youtube partner channel um they have denied every time anyone has brought it up that algorithmically

Starting point is 00:32:29 there is any effect, uh, from the monetization of a video. And I will say that personally, anecdotally, I have never seen evidence of an effect. Uh, I have seen non-monetized videos do extremely well i have seen monetized videos

Starting point is 00:32:47 do extremely poorly and there are various reasons why we may or may not have had monetization enabled on a video in the past sometimes it was a requirement from a sponsor that if we had an in-video integration they wanted their message to be the first thing people saw not some random youtube ad so we would often have agreements where for the first thing people saw, not some random YouTube ad. So we would often have agreements where for the first six months, we would have monetization on the platform disabled. There are situations where the community doesn't feel like monetization is appropriate for a video,

Starting point is 00:33:16 like with the recent controversy, for example. So we've got monetization off that. That didn't stop that video from getting 5 million views or something like that. So if there is a legitimate interest from the audience no i i just haven't actually seen evidence to support that but just because they haven't done it yet or haven't done it to me doesn't mean that they won't do it ever or haven't done it to anyone yeah and it doesn't mean that i would have

Starting point is 00:33:47 any way of being able to tell like if youtube suddenly you know turned up the heat on their ad sales and sold 20 more inventory against the same number of views on the platform and they were just like why don't we just put all of this on random videos about dishwasher repair and take 100% instead of 45% and no one will be any of the wiser. Woohoo. I have no way of knowing that nobody would have any way of knowing that. And in fact, what I suspect,

Starting point is 00:34:20 although I don't have any way of knowing this for sure, but what I suspect is that a lot of these decisions about which videos are monetized or which ones are being served in ad and when, I suspect a lot of these decisions are actually driven by AI and driven algorithmically. So it would be nearly impossible for even an internal whistleblower to say,

Starting point is 00:34:41 yeah, the executives got together and made a call that we're going to put all of our you know new ad inventory on these because at the end of the day most of these engines are just input experiment try to achieve goals so if the input is uh you know optimize revenue for the platform well part of optimizing revenue is going to be putting ads on videos that are very engaging for viewers so that you have a longer watch session so they'll watch more videos and watch more ads but part of that strategy could also be recognizing hey this is probably a one and done i should probably cram as many ads down this person's throat while they try and troubleshoot an old crt tv and they absolutely need this information and take 100 of that money yeah and the actual teams who create these

Starting point is 00:35:33 algorithms wouldn't necessarily know exactly what it's doing minute to minute they could go back and kind of go okay so here's the thing that appears to be happening but nobody made that decision so there's nobody is culpable for it and so again i'm not saying this is happening i'm just saying it's not implausible yeah if that makes sense um i wonder if this is just the next move towards what will be the next next move, which is not being able to check if a video is monetized. Tell me this. What benefit is there to YouTube for you to know if the Creator monetized that video? so would this are you saying this would also obfuscate to the creator or just to users just to users yeah yeah that makes sense because back to the back to the twitch conversation it would keep youtube out of the news yeah it's like yeah just ads are just normal and you click

Starting point is 00:36:44 on videos and there are ads and it is absolutely none of your business from youtube's perspective whether that channel is part of the partner program whether that video is you know monetized by the creator or not monetized by the creator because you know imagine this you know imagine a controversial creator um you know like especially you know you look at the way that politics are are super polarized in the in the states right now right so let's say no matter what side it is someone is going to be super angry about some political commentator being on the platform for sure and having the video monetized and going to call for some kind of boycott of the platform for supporting them, for sharing money with them. And so if YouTube just kind of went, yeah, how about you just not know?

Starting point is 00:37:34 You not know who's getting money. You not know which videos they've enabled monetization on. I think that you'll still see creators, you know, as a gesture, talk about, hey'm i'm turning monetization off on this video or um you know one one that you see probably more often than that is which we could lie about now i'm gonna donate the proceeds not now but at that point there'd be no follow-up no accountability um and i don't think that from youtube's perspective that's a problem yeah why do they care and it sucks because this is i i love pulling it all the way back to this every time but this is the blizzard developers on stage problem where more transparency more

Starting point is 00:38:18 access to different parts of companies and stuff just gets them put on pikes constantly um which sucks because it's a thing everybody wants um but it ends up getting shut down due to community responses to things because it's easier to blow up about the stuff that you can see and that is in your face all the time yeah then dig for things and i think a lot of companies and maybe people are just tired of there being some kind of controversy um and just looking for looking for sources of controversy and just kind of going oh okay that's the source okay let's just make it so that doesn't happen again yeah let's make it so that one doesn't happen again. And if you just slowly pick these away. And there's honestly very little benefit

Starting point is 00:39:09 for a platform to, for a platform itself. Think of the amount of times that a platform itself was in the news and it was a good thing. Usually what the platforms want is they want the creators on the platform to be popping off all over the place because then that pulls people into the platform anyways. And then if you're want the creators on the platform to be popping off all over the place.

Starting point is 00:39:25 Because then that pulls people into the platform anyways. And then if you're spending more time on the platform, then while you're on the platform, the platform can kind of try to monetize you. YouTube Premium, Twitch Turbo, whatever it is. But you want the creator to be pulling people in. You don't really want your name plastered all over the place all the time because it's almost guaranteed going to be negative information. Well, that's the thing. Like negative negativity sells. Um, I could, I could probably count on my hands and feet the number of times that we

Starting point is 00:39:56 have made the news for anything positive in the entire time this company has existed. And I would need more than those digits to count the number of articles and mentions and videos just in the last few months alone. Yeah. Right. Like it's, it's no secret that people, people want to see a scandal. They want to see a downfall. They don't want to see slow, consistent growth. They don't want to see you know a more complex story uh about you know growing pains and and trying your best and sometimes screwing up and like it's it's nuanced and that's a lot of work it's a lot of mental load i think that It's a lot of mental load.

Starting point is 00:40:46 I think that something is bad is more entertaining. It's easier. It's, it's, it's, it's popcorn. It goes down easy, you know, deprecated said they want strawberry,

Starting point is 00:40:52 but honestly you can, you can deconstruct that relatively simple sentence a little bit. And like, yeah, the hack brought in a incredible amount of attention. Yeah. Incredible amount. Yep.

Starting point is 00:41:04 incredible amount of attention yeah incredible amount yep we had more eyes on us than like ever basically well not quite there was another one after that um but ever so far um but like yeah it was um that was a big deal and it wasn't obviously just the strawberry but like that's part of part of the story that brought tons of people in and like all of our properties exploded in a good way at that time yeah yeah there was more eyes on the channel there's more eyes on flow plane there's more eyes on ltt store there's more eyes on everything dave ger says no one reads a news story that has the headline 100 children had a good day today and nothing bad happened you know i was watching um i was watching the karate kid with my son and his friend um because they were checking out the new tv and they had a sleepover and they were watching the movie and i

Starting point is 00:41:56 was like uh first one nice um and and i was like i'm not i'm not gonna be that like weird parent that comes and hangs out with, you know, let them, let them do their thing. But they were very settled into their movie. They were not like talking about anything. And I sat in the back row and just kind of was like, yeah,

Starting point is 00:42:13 you know what? I'm going to watch the karate kid. I guess it's been, I was probably his age the last time I watched it. Yeah. Um, and there's a scene where, um, where the sensei,i uh lends the kid i forget

Starting point is 00:42:28 anyone's names on the movie or whatever but the sensei lends the kid his car and it's like you know his collection of cars is like his these are prized possessions like the kids like mind blown that when it's time for the dance or prom or whatever it is that he's allowed to borrow this car and they go out of their way right like remember american car culture was still a thing kind of in the 80s like it was sort of coming towards a time of big change um but it was still very much a thing in the 80s and so even without necessarily you know product placements and making sure that the emblems are in every flipping shot or whatever there was clearly a lot of thought and work that went into making this car look like a million

Starting point is 00:43:17 bucks like it was beautiful and the way it shines when he drives it and and and he he rolls out in the car to go pick up the girl you know and um then they go on their date and he kind of passes off the car as his own because he's like trying to show off a little bit and asks her if she wants to drive it and she gets behind the wheel and i think she's only just gotten her license and he got his license like that day or something like that and they they pull out of the parking lot from the dance and she's like asking how fast does it go and he responds i don't want to find out and it fades to black and then the next scene comes and i was sitting there going they don't do that anymore no something never something's crashing man that scandal

Starting point is 00:44:13 dad's piss is too spicy and it's someone's going to the hospital it's too easy to create attention to create an angry scene to create heightened emotions between our characters by having this prized possession damaged. I can't remember the last time I saw an interaction between characters in a piece of media where someone lends someone else something that is one of their most prized possessions and the other one respectfully cares for it and returns it in pristine condition after enjoying it and is thankful yeah and i'm not trying to say the 80s was better or whatever because i realistically i wasn't even there i wasn't born yet right and it's clear that there were lots of problems you know it's not like we don't have pretty in-depth historical records yeah i'm just saying that from a media standpoint a little bit less we're very dialed

Starting point is 00:45:11 into anger and controversy and upset and and disrespect um and you didn't you didn't need that you didn't need that in this movie one of the biggest improvements i've done for myself over the last little while is to try to disconnect from that stuff significantly more it's like it actually made like a very noticeable impact life's like a little bit more chill when you're just like actually no i'm not going to consume this media or information or news feed or whatever it's just like, nah, I'll chill.

Starting point is 00:45:46 I'm trying to do more of those. Like, you know, the classic, like, uh, you have to wait in this area. So you just start like reading the signs or whatever.

Starting point is 00:45:53 I've tried to do that a little bit more. Oh, just like, no, like what I would have done however long ago is go to my Google newsfeed and just start scrolling through stuff or whatever. And I'll still do it sometimes. But I try to like consciously be like no i just i can i can stay

Starting point is 00:46:09 out for now um my google news feed is um because and the way that i described it in a conversation i had recently was there's a multi-billion dollar industry that is based around just dominating your mind and getting you to do this thing that is good for various companies the corporations man but yeah to a certain degree but like actually though yeah so you should consider that and not just play into it 100% of the time um you know maybe you want to play into it sometimes because it tickles your little gooey brain um but i think sometimes you should fight against it a little bit mine's not too bad i definitely get too much american politics um something something oval office recordings uh unify rgb lighting uh something something impeachment intel unveils ai chip to compete with nvidia eight channel memory on wrx whatever is faster uh seagate has a hard drive that's not supposed

Starting point is 00:47:11 to exist linux patch drop support for 17 year old intel thing uh auto spill credential leak and android password managers tesla cyber truck crumple zones pc memory is about to double in capacity sales of bc homes you can really tell what I pay attention to. And I've talked to you about this before, but I think that with a little bit of discipline, we can create a Google News feed. I have had to- I think it takes a lot of discipline, personally.

Starting point is 00:47:39 I have had to try, because every once in a while, they'll try and get me back into it. And I have tried very hard to not click on anything star wars because it usually just annoys me and is just like some stupid nonsense ai written article or whatever so it usually just sucks anyway um and it gives me it gives me no satisfaction it doesn't help me at work it doesn't help me in my personal life whereas most of my stuff is pretty tech these days chips act uh steam trolls cheaters ryzen 8000g nvidia ceo at an

Starting point is 00:48:13 all-hands meeting intel launches core ultra 3d printer pneumatic pneumatic actuator like i it's hard i think i broke mine uh at one point in time i decided that the way i wanted to train it was to just tell it all the times that i didn't like something or didn't want to see something oh i never did that was bad you should not do that by the way no because it doesn't know what you don't like about it yeah and and i think also it will see that you don't like all of these things and just start guessing really sporadically. So like at one point I showed, I showed Emma this, I think I've talked to you about it. At one point in time, it decided that I was interested in some country singer I had

Starting point is 00:48:53 never heard of. I never clicked on any of them. And for at least a week, it was every second article was just like, this is the shirt they wore. Like just anything it could possibly think of, of this, like one person I had never heard of before. It's amazing how quickly he led astray. I clicked on one stupid thing about Meghan Markle at one point. And all of a sudden, like half my feed was just like, Whoa,

Starting point is 00:49:15 you're really into this. Kate Middleton and Harry Styles or whatever the other Harry is. No, sorry. He's a singer. It doesn't matter. The point is, uh,

Starting point is 00:49:24 yeah, I was just full of that. And then another really funny one. No, sorry, he's a singer. It doesn't matter. The point is, yeah, it was just full of that. And then another really funny one was I was looking for a behind the scenes of something and I searched for it and I was like, oh, BTS has a totally different meaning now because of the Korean mega band, right? Group, are they a band?

Starting point is 00:49:44 Do they play instruments? I don't know. It doesn't matter. The point is, Jimin's the best, I guess, or something. Oh, boy. Oh.

Starting point is 00:49:51 What's the, you're a Jimin fan? Cool. The point is, I clicked one because I was like curious. I was like, oh, yeah, okay.

Starting point is 00:50:02 Oh, no. And then, oh, man. Oh, man. Like, every time one of the, every time one of them farted, clicked one because i was like curious i was like oh yeah okay oh no and then oh man oh man like every time one of the every time one of them farted there was a google news alert for it i was like what even is this they changed their shirt like this is their favorite color like i don't f***ing care yeah i was idly curious oh man oh anyway he was trying to get me he really emphasized the if one of them farted because i was drinking water i'm gonna get you i'm gonna get you like i like i like felt it coming and was like no he's gonna say something. I got to pray. I should have gone with queefed or something. I would have gotten you with that.

Starting point is 00:50:47 Probably. Oh, boy. What are we supposed to be talking about? We were talking about... No, yeah. We were technically on the topic of you can't check who's monetized on YouTube anymore. And we somehow got here. Yeah. Cool. That relates to bts yeah why don't we explain what merch messages are and talk about some stuff

Starting point is 00:51:12 going on on the store uh merch messages are the way to interact with this show uh don't send a twitch bit or you know uh youtube super chat or anything like that you want a merch message because we will either have our producer Dan reply to you, forward it to someone who can help you, or put your message down here or forward it to us. Those are the four different things that can happen. And if it gets forwarded to us, we will address your comment on the show.

Starting point is 00:51:37 And if none of those things happen, maybe there's a glitch in the matrix or whatever else, hey, at least you'll get some high quality merchandise in the mail. We do have a couple of things to talk about. We've added a multi-pack combo discount for stick locks. If you buy two packs, you can get them for $24.99. And if you buy four packs, you can get them for $39.99.

Starting point is 00:51:57 If you want to equip a whole whack ton of your controllers. Also, we have an update for you guys on the backpack dual layer warranty issue our team is working through the final details and we'll have something out to all buyers early next week keep an eye out for that if you've purchased a backpack before december 9th we appreciate your patience this is a big task and we want to ensure it's done right something that this update doesn't include, but I feel very strongly needs to be done, so I'm just going to say it now so that it's in the public record, is even if you buy one after December 9th, if you have a single layer regular backpack, this doesn't apply to the

Starting point is 00:52:36 Lux. The Apple leather is so thick, we A, never planned to put a single layer, and B, probably couldn't if we tried. Like, the sewing would be impossible um but anyway if you bought one after december 9th that has a single layer um i don't think there's eligibility for the 25 credit because now the messaging has been corrected on the site and there's no miscommunication about it but um the virtual second layer warranty where if it wears through, um, you know, because of anything other than, you know, obvious intentional damage,

Starting point is 00:53:09 uh, at our discretion, you're on a live show. You decide to cut it open. Yeah. Um, so we will, we'll,

Starting point is 00:53:17 we'll take care of you. There's, there's a virtual second layer. Um, and, and we're, we're going to make sure we get that updated to everyone. So if you buy a backpack today, um, and the bottom wears bottom wears through you know with natural wear and tear as part of our

Starting point is 00:53:30 limited lifetime warranty um we will we will make sure there's a carve out for that uh we have a new newsletter oh precision screwdriver leak and update yeah interesting also there's a newsletter update we're going to delay publishing of our newsletters to the blog by about a week from the time they're sent out to the email list so if you want the latest from ltd store make sure you sign up for our newsletter at the footer on the site so that's uh if you just kind of scroll down right there it's really hard to find put your email there the text is almost so big that i i legitimately do kind of find it hard to find you're the part of your brain that ignores ads is like huh yeah it might be

Starting point is 00:54:10 there's a lot of really good stuff in here including a ton of really interesting looks at the evolution of this product as it's been developed um talking about materials why we bothered to make one this is so cool uh all the different variations of ceramic and ceramic steel hybrid bearings we found one that spins yeah that's right we measured this one and your mileage may vary but we found one that we were able to get to spin by hand for 70 seconds oh my god just by giving it a little spin like that. Pretty wild. Our end caps are going to be interchangeable so you can swap them out with a 10 millimeter wrench. We're going to have different sizes and shapes. Check this out. Yeah buddy. So if you want you know you like it

Starting point is 00:54:58 to you like to kind of palm it or you know you like the flat top. We're going to have bit storage in the handle, which is pretty cool. Here's a lot of different variations of that. Anyway, you're going to definitely want to read through that. A lot of really cool details from the team. And, oh, so when can I get one? We're still a few months away.

Starting point is 00:55:19 Apparently, I'm reading this update alongside you guys. Planning to offer a unique launch experience for this product. Once we offer a public notification sign-up page page for launch there may be an opportunity to purchase a limited number of pre-launch drivers oh yeah we have talked about this so like with the screwdriver we want to back order this one to get an idea of what demand is going to be like and to help with cash flow so we're not gonna we're not gonna do pre-orders because this is technically like a new product. I think we did pre-orders on the Lux because it's a material change.

Starting point is 00:55:49 I think we've done pre-orders on some of the screwdriver colorways and stuff like that. This is a very new product. So we are not gonna expect people to order it sight unseen. Do it a pop-up or something? And I think it's either online or in person.

Starting point is 00:56:01 We're not sure, but we're basically gonna sell some of them, give people an opportunity to share their thoughts after having real customer hands-on with it. And then at that point, we're going to open up back orders, which are, I mean, essentially, you know, a pre-order in the sense that the production is not done yet, but, you know, it will be.

Starting point is 00:56:20 We'll have done some mass production and demonstrated what the product will be. We'll have done some mass production and demonstrated what the product will be. We're hoping that we will have details for that in early 2024. I do wonder if at some point, people have made it very clear. They're like, yeah, you shouldn't do pre-orders, but also I'd love to be able to pre-order one.

Starting point is 00:56:44 I'd be the first one to send my money because I just want to have it right away. I don't know. At some point, maybe we just, maybe we just drop the whole thing and are just like, yeah, we're doing pre-orders for it. Don't, don't pre-order it, but you can. Yeah. I, I don't know, man. People want it.

Starting point is 00:56:59 It kind of feels like one of those things where, uh, like, like you know everyone's mad about microtransactions in games but they want it the market shows i don't know like i can i can like is there is there really is that is there like what's the point of not letting them i guess well i think the point is that there's okay like telling them like we don't even think you should i love analogies okay right so let's take uh let's take uh one of one of you know society's favorite bad guys right uh big tobacco so i'm a tobacco company i release an ad because for some reason i'm allowed to run tv ads again or something sure so i run i run an ad on tv um that is that basically says you shouldn't smoke it is really harmful and causes health effects that are very but then you sell deleterious

Starting point is 00:58:01 to you yeah that's dramatically a disaster the point is i basically say smoking's bad don't buy cigarettes but then i'm still selling them which in a way is extra bad because i extra super know that they're definitely bad yeah i have a counter for this sure i think the pre-ordering of a product is less contentious the right word is less contentious than smoking uh and like an example that i would give is i tell everyone not to pre-order games yeah i have definitely pre-ordered games me too i have pre-order games since i told people not to pre-order games yep me too i i pre-ordered bill watterson's quote unquote graphic novel and it was wish you waited for the reviews on that one.

Starting point is 00:58:49 No, because you would have bought it anyways. I would have, I would have just given him the 20 bucks. Yeah. I would have rather just him not bothered to produce this like waste. Starfield was a trash heap. I was going to buy it no matter what.

Starting point is 00:59:02 It didn't matter if every reviewer on the internet was like this is trash bethesda was my favorite game company for years when i was a kid i'm gonna buy this freaking game i feel like people struggle with analogies sometimes did someone point that out this is twitch chat no no so the ltd screwdriver is as addictive as tobacco no that's not the point the point is not the specifics of, you know, how harmful the thing is or whatever else. The point is just the,

Starting point is 00:59:31 the, the potential for perceived hypocrisy. That is a fidget. So maybe this is a joke. Oh man. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't feel like pre-ordering is as is i don't know i feel like we can say like in general uh you you know probably shouldn't do pre-orders

Starting point is 00:59:55 but like i don't think it's as bad as people smoking um i don't think it's as bad for you as people smoking um i think it's a really dangerous slippery slope of morality and ethics i mean i think that i could easily rationalize to myself that there's nothing wrong with us taking pre-orders on this product because a it's going to be great and b if it's not we got you trust me bro yeah exactly but i think that that's a dangerous path to hubris right i'm not going to make a mistake and if i do i'll fix it and so what's the problem well the problem is if any of that fails if because there's what are this what are the safety checks um and i no i'm not gonna go there um

Starting point is 01:00:45 so i don't know i think we'll give it some more thought i mean with this look my point is it's a ton of work for us to red hot rush hyper expensive a small batch um do a pre-sale event or like an early sale like an early access event for a physical product. Um, those units are super expensive. The marketing and the event management of all of this is super expensive, super time consuming. And at the end of the day, it changes nothing about what the final product is. It telegraphs confidence. So you could see it as kind of like

Starting point is 01:01:26 an effective marketing tool in that way. But then looking back at the screwdriver launch, I don't think people took it seriously until Project Farm ultimately came out and gave it the stamp of approval anyway. So then what did it matter what our confidence was or what the reactions of the live buyers at the show were if at the end of if at the end of the day um people were just going to is that the solution do you see do you seed it to

Starting point is 01:01:53 uh you can't do that with all products though no and that and todd doesn't want us to seed him products he buys everything right like he'll he'll he'll pay his money early so he'll accept that benefit in the form of in in a way, special treatment. But at the end of the day, from his perspective, and I agree with him, from his perspective, he's just a customer who paid his $69.99, nice, and got a screwdriver. And so, yeah, there are definitely monetary benefits to him getting early access to it, in that he can go live with his video earlier than other people who didn't get early access. But I think we have enough of his track record to go, guys, that's probably not it. That's probably not the issue. genuinely is a sincere guy and wants to get information to the audience in a timely manner so that they can make an informed purchase decision i don't think this is about him just getting more views yeah i think he could have released his video a month after the release of

Starting point is 01:02:56 the product and it still would have gotten millions of views yeah so we might as well just have it out there earlier and realistically if another media outlet came to us and was like hey we're really big in the you know tool space or whatever can we get we i don't see why we wouldn't give them the same treatment if they had the same kind of reach as todd though i don't know who does but even if they had even less than todd i think that i don't think that that's some kind of weird advantage and i don't think that there's inherently corruption there i think if you have good people who are honest and working in good faith there's nothing wrong with getting early access to a product and paying for it early and i think it's kind of silly to to think that it is it was it was amazing how many people went

Starting point is 01:03:39 from and i noticed usernames that were the same oh yeah how many people went from this thing is shit until todd from project farm says it's good because he has impeccable integrity and who immediately flipped they couldn't their brains couldn't process that it could actually just be a good product and so they went straight to todd's corrupt todd's the shill how much did ltt pay him oh man oh man where is your goal post yeah exactly keep moving it man just keep just keep walking keep walking till you reach the nearest ocean put the post at the bottom of it let me know how it goes channel that channel that prehistoric human hunting energy yeah just go anyway uh what are we supposed to be talking about yeah we're supposed to do a couple merch messages all you got to do is head

Starting point is 01:04:29 to lgdstore.com we do any of them pick up no no not even a little pick up some stick locks or pick up the screwdriver you know whatever the case may be you've got the noxian screwdrivers on there now those are doing really well people are super stoked on them yeah Yeah. And then in the cart, in the cart, there'll be a box. You can enter your merch message and it'll go here. All right, Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple of merch messages? Yeah, sure. First one here. Hello, WAN Show.

Starting point is 01:04:55 Hello. With the GoXLR support gone, what XLR would you replace yours with or recommend? I'm just going to keep using it until they pry it from my cold, dead hands. I really like it. It just works. Eventually works eventually it'll die and it hasn't yet mind you with the way that microsoft changes windows so relatively little from iteration to iteration these days it is possible that my drivers for the go xlr will work for a very very long time like until we get another you know fundamental retooling of how audio is handled in windows like we did from xp to vista i think it is quite possible that with the usual

Starting point is 01:05:32 hackery right where you force the install or you you go into whatever the file is and you like add your version of windows to the supported os's so that it bypasses the compatibility check or whatever else um i suspect it'll work for a long time i didn't know this will the beast and flipping chat so there's a community go xlr software version nice that's pretty crazy i i'm a little my the first go xlr i got bricked itself within a week um so i don't know how confident i am in the thing living but my sample size is very small yeah and i've got at least one backup one kicking around somewhere. So I'm good.

Starting point is 01:06:07 There you go. I'm, I'm, I'm one of those people where if I find something I like, I make sure that I've started converting to that. It's a good way to go. I just, I think part of it is just getting older. Maybe I just, I, for me, I spend, I will put way too much time and energy and whatnot into researching the purchasing decision that like, if I'm very confident in this thing, like I spend a lot of time doing that.

Starting point is 01:06:32 I get it. I keep it for a certain amount of time and I'm like, yeah, this is like amazing. I'm like however many months into this and I still love this thing. Yeah. Okay. Let's just go get more. Cause I don't want to do that again. Like, and if it's like a tool or

Starting point is 01:06:45 something like this go xlr thing like whatever this this thing that it does hasn't really evolved all that and we might get more kilohertz maybe or more bits or whatever but at the end of the day do i care about that it's gonna get crushed by whatever it might have it might have more vibrant rgb discord's gonna take it just go well i mean garbage in garbage out you put in something better discord's crushing it will be less worse but but but but even so like if if there's something that i really like honestly guys i just i don't feel that strongly incentivized to change it and i think part of that is just how incremental the changes have gotten so you'll have a new phone that comes out and it's like marginally faster and uh i don't know it has some like i'm just trying to think of

Starting point is 01:07:33 it has like another camera on it or whatever but they removed your headphone jack and you're just like well fuck right that sucks and so many things are like that these days where if i'm happy with my go xlr and some new one comes out that has some just bullshit that i don't care about but i give up something about it that i liked and that thing i about it that i like could be as meaningless as that i've already set up the profile and already adjusted my gain for where i like to put my microphone like that eight minutes of going through a setup wizard could be could be the difference for me yeah compared to the meaningless things that they've improved that don't matter to me uh have you used the uh road casters no because that's that i believe these started being a thing fairly recently or at least i only discovered them fairly recently i think they're relatively similar priced um like there's one on excellent photo.ca right now

Starting point is 01:08:31 that's for 450 cad yeah these are canadian dollars guys by the way so it's like plus 30 plus percent go xlr's are crazy expensive too yeah that's true. Like they were. So if you want your hyper expensive XLR interface with RGB on it option, there is still things like that, at least from Rode. I know nothing about them. I've never used them, but I've heard of them.

Starting point is 01:08:58 I've heard good things. I don't know though. All I care about is my bleep button. Yeah. I don't see one. I see configurable buttons configurable yeah I'm sure you could do it yeah and I could I could probably figure this out um but you have no reason to necessarily but I just I man I don't feel like it it's not something that excites me I would rather spend my energy on something that excites me. Like the, the, the, the, the, the energy that I feel when I'm playing around with cool tech that I care about is just so much greater.

Starting point is 01:09:32 Okay. What are you looking at? There's just no one by, I've never actually heard of this website before. So this isn't a recommendation, but, um, it's four 49 discounted from five 49.

Starting point is 01:09:43 And if you buy it with these $260 headphones, you get the headphones for free. I don't know. Does no one buy this thing and they're just trying to like burn it down or what? It's probably more to do with the fact that there is excellent margin in these products. And it's the holiday season.

Starting point is 01:10:01 So you're going to see a lot of aggressive promos right now. Like we ran lots of stuff in our black friday cyber monday promos that sells yeah like it's it's not like we were desperate to get rid of it we did sell some stuff that we were desperate to get rid of hey go full transparency um but yeah but we absolutely promoted stuff that was moving great there's nothing wrong with that though necessarily um it might be a great product you just ordered too many of it or whatever yeah or or we didn't we just put on a promo because we were like this is exciting yeah um and so you can you can see stuff like that especially this time of year and i wouldn't necessarily read too much into it is

Starting point is 01:10:35 all i'm trying to say apparently jace two cents uses oh never mind they said they believe jace two cents uses a roadcaster for rtfm not certain though sure yeah just with the message hi dll question for linus did you learn asl at some point i noticed some signs get it that you've learned some like uh sorry these keep shifting around uh like using asl's six or using spatial mapping when talking on the show uh Uh, yeah, my, uh, my mom was a teacher of the deaf and, um, she is hard of hearing and we were strongly encouraged to learn ASL. Uh, we had a foster kid in our house for a number of years who was um as far as i'm aware profoundly deaf like couldn't uh couldn't hear anything and so in order to communicate with him uh we were all encouraged to sign as much as

Starting point is 01:11:34 possible at one point i was conversant enough that um i managed to make my way through translation duties for my mom at a conference. It just about killed my brain. Massive respect for interpreters. They, wow. Because sometimes you have to kind of make stuff up on the fly, right? Have you ever noticed?

Starting point is 01:12:01 Well, yeah. I mean, if a word doesn't exist in that sense, so you're not making stuff up but you're making up a way of expressing it or or especially when you're you know okay let's say you're let's say you're interpreting for a government official and all of a sudden they start talking about defense or something like that and you i i'm sorry the the what spanker missile or what like uh yeah it can be extremely challenging i didn't even think about that that's gotta be nuts yeah like lingo like interpreting at like a scientific conference

Starting point is 01:12:31 holy crap right but accessibility matters so have you ever noticed that interpreters will tag out really frequently was a high mental strain it's extremely draining that makes sense i don't know if i have ever before or since slept as well as i did after the first day of that conference that's a this is an offshoot but uh do you know like chess is like high caloric burn like if you're good at chess you can actually be doing a lot of computation in your head it's quite high caloric burn because you're like really thinking so you're saying that's why i'm thin because i think a lot and my brain is powerful i might be part of it actually i we've talked about this it's probably more to do with the fact that i have adhd and i'm a fidgeter and apparently that contributes a really big one actually way way more

Starting point is 01:13:20 to your calorie burn than like your metabolism basically right it's huge yeah i don't remember what it uh um anyway um yes i do often on exercise activity thermogenesis neat refers to a portion of daily energy expenditure resulting from spontaneous physical activity that is not specifically the result of voluntary exercise. Levels of NEAT range widely with variants of up to 2000 kilocalories per day between two individuals of similar size. Like massively impactful, like little fidgets, little bouncing your knee, little doing whatever it all counts. Everything counts. Everything

Starting point is 01:14:05 counts. So in response to your question, yes, I was reasonably proficient in ASL at some point. I forget a lot. I know enough that, you know, when I'm at a family function and some of my family's deaf friends are there, I can check in, you know, hey, how you doing? And how are the kids? And, you know, that kind of stuff. But I'm at a point now where I've forgotten so much that while I will, while I'll do little things, like I will in conversation, you know, describing something that I saw, I'll be like, yeah, so the person was walking and then the car like just missed them. And I'll realize, oh, yeah, this is a car to me. This is probably not a car to you oh interesting and when i gesture i do so as you noticed um accurately because i am a lot of sign language is not the words, but is the relative positions of things. So something that trips me up a lot is if you're talking to me

Starting point is 01:15:11 and you say, yeah, turn right, and you gesture vaguely, I'll turn left. Because I wasn't listening i was watching and that's something that i'm probably i guess probably more attuned to than most people so yeah so yvonne and i will have conversations where she'll go uh i'll go hey where are my keys and she'll go they're over there and to her she was going this way and to me she pointed upstairs so i will waste 10 minutes looking for my keys and i'll be like hey i can't find them and she'll be like they're right where i told you and i'm like no you point you you point it up that that matters uh yeah it's

Starting point is 01:16:01 we're good but it's definitely something that has come up more than a few times everyone has their things um anyway one of my favorite one of my favorite signs by the way is not a real sign it's just like uh it's like a it's like a slang thing uh the real sign for understand is like this and it's kind of like um like like lights flashing uh looks like this so you kind of like you create manually sensations right so yeah it's like a light bulb yeah i understand um but but my like one of my favorite things ever is uh this also means understand so it's a person standing oh my god it's like yeah what about i think you've shown me that one before yeah what about uh the milk uh what's the sign for milk and then milking no no do milk and then move it past your face

Starting point is 01:16:53 what do you hold on what do you all right hold on hold on what are you even talking about do the sign for milk and then move it past in front of your face it's pasteurized milk all right that's the only that's the only asl joke i know all right cool wow sheesh yeah so do you know why this is three no because this is W. Ah, yeah. So it's little things like that, that yeah,

Starting point is 01:17:27 people pick up from time to time. Uh, all right. Someone asked, um, sorry, this is actually fairly important. Uh,

Starting point is 01:17:34 tools of Pwnage asked, what's the sign for no cap for real, for real bussing. I have no idea what the fuck that means. Signs closing the laptop. It's just amazing. What is bussing again? I can't remember.

Starting point is 01:17:49 I actually don't know. It's some Zoomer term. I don't know. I think good. I think this is good. Is that right? I think it's good. Okay.

Starting point is 01:17:57 Really, really good. And no cap is not lying. No lie. For real, for real. It's just like, yeah. then good yeah so i'm not honest and it's good like or like like really um yeah i mean other than just like literally like is there is there a lie and not lie yeah i think this is lie i can't remember uh it's it's been a long time like i i would just i'll just say completely the wrong word sometimes

Starting point is 01:18:32 okay so that's another example so like like interchange this is like that's so i i do it often um a lot of them i don't know that they're oh no yeah so it's like this yeah so i was i i forget what this is but it's something that is lie um yeah so i don't know it's just little things there's there's a lot of stuff where i won't necessarily recognize that you're doing sign language because i don't know sign language so it's hard to recognize but a lot of it just makes a bunch of sense like you did the car one whatever that was yeah my brain doesn't go this is a car but i'm like okay clearly object we're discussing car this i'm now going to decide this is a car and then it does the thing it's like okay so i still understand everything that's

Starting point is 01:19:15 happening you're just going to be able to do that from now on and i'm just gonna burst into laughter the delivery of it was my favorite part just slight smile no other reaction okay hit us with one more dan oh yeah sure one sec um let's do this on hey linus have you played sea of stars yet i have yet to play it but i've been looking forward to it since you first talked about it on the wancho considering the size of the team it's an incredible achievement um i found the art to be mind-blowing um it's such a beautiful game the music is as good as the art it's it's absolutely incredible um i do not understand at all the praise for the combat i found it to be tedious and repetitive um i think that if I had maybe used some of the,

Starting point is 01:20:28 like the crutches, the modifiers that you can activate, maybe I would have found it easier, but I wasn't looking for easy. I like, that's one of the things that I like to a degree about classic RPGs is challenge in particularly boss fights. But in Sea of stars i just found like kind of every encounter was sort of tedious and and there's something to be said for being

Starting point is 01:20:53 able to get wiped at any moment like always kind of having that you know that thrill of that danger right um but i just yeah the combat is is it seemed really promising right at the beginning and then i kind of went oh that's as interesting as it gets and there it's an indie game you so you have to keep your expectations realistic but there wasn't enough play testing you'd have boss fights where they they have this mechanic where um the bosses will have like kind of a roulette thing. And then you'll have to hit them with your pasties falling off over there. Oh, sorry. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:34 You'll have a roulette thing and then it'll come up with, you know, a supposedly, I guess, randomized combination of elemental or attack types that you need to hit it with in order to prevent it from unleashing a bigger attack which is on the surface a pretty cool mechanic except that often very often you'd have like a two turn countdown timer and you'd have to hit it with three strikes of something that you only have two characters each of which can hit for one and you're just like well that's pretty stupid um or or you're just unlucky and that character you have one turn to do it and you could do it but you're just unlucky and they don't have any mp and so you can't do it so it's like oh okay well i was just wiped because i didn't have the

Starting point is 01:22:26 clairvoyance to know that it was going to be that and in reality they're not random anyway um they're they're they're predetermined as far as i can tell like there's a couple of different variants so once you kind of get into a rhythm where you know what it's going to be it's it's beatable but it's just tedious because the enemies have too many too many hit points once you understand the mechanic and have solved the puzzle uh it it shouldn't take a long time to finish a turn-based fight um and the other big one is that it's a really small world. I didn't find it that easy to get immersed in it. There was no need to explore. There's some exploration you can do.

Starting point is 01:23:16 Basically, I'm not going to spoil anything, but there's kind of like a long, tedious fetch quest where you can go look for all of some kind of collectible item. And it does a thing that realistically, I just looked up. I was like, okay, what happens? And then when I found out what happens, I was like, oh, that's really stupid. Because one of the best things about this game and its story, I don't like it when storytellers chicken out uh i think that rowling chickened

Starting point is 01:23:51 out when harry potter didn't die yeah he was a lamb raised for slaughter and then she didn't kill him it's like okay well that's stupid um you know you had an opportunity to to do something really emotionally impactful and you're like okay how about one of the one of the weasleys instead let's not go after one of the main three let's let's let's let's kill a weasley twin um yeah and i and you know i'm just i just i think it i think it sucks i think that encanto is a beautiful movie with great music and amazing visuals and at the end spoiler alert i guess i don't know whatever uh spoiler alert for incanto uh at the end the the family learns their lesson that the magic was was love or whatever and then they get

Starting point is 01:24:40 their magical powers back or like the magic was love and community. And that was, that was what made them special. And then they just get their just actual magic back. So at the, they've learned nothing. Then there was no loss. It was just reset to the beginning of the movie, but now Mirabelle is happy or something like it just,

Starting point is 01:25:02 yeah, yeah. I've got, I've got people talking about yeah exactly exactly like just have a backbone let something bad happen let it be bittersweet let it not be just oh wow uh elijah is very animated about this i stood up and walked out of the room yelling out of anger had a chance to be one of the best movies yeah no you're you're a hundred percent right because i've never seen it you can tell you can tell the movie was supposed to end there that's the big one is when i can tell what was

Starting point is 01:25:36 supposed to happen and then someone with oh we can't do that? Someone with no primary or secondary sexual characteristics, okay, came into the meeting. Well, no, you can't say balls, you know? You always impress me. Always, always impress me. Should have waited until he was drinking okay someone walked in the room and went no this might make people actually feel something and it's like forget it bail that sucks yeah yeah it sucks. Yeah, Encanto and Harry Potter, I think, are probably my favorite examples of that,

Starting point is 01:26:27 where they just chickened out. There's a bunch, but yeah, those are strong ones. Those are recent and hugely culturally significant. Yes, yeah, exactly. But yeah, it's definitely like a thing that happens. All right, yeah. happens uh all right yeah um oh let's uh yeah let's do a topic you were talking about let's not do a topic yeah you were talking about what was the name of the game again cstars um final fantasy 6 been playing more of it oh yeah yeah oh you don't like it anymore no i do like it i don't like doing it three times oh hold on hold on i'm trying to i'm trying to remember what you're talking about

Starting point is 01:27:12 hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on okay i didn't say it on the stream but you do know hold on oh that i don't think i said on the stream i thought i thought you meant something to do with the game no yeah it's been pretty good i do think three times you had another crash i had one more crash oh and then i stopped playing it tried to figure out what was going on couldn't figure out what was going on it was only crashing in final fantasy 6 which again is just weird that's random um but i i uh i just nuked all my drivers even though i'm not reinstalling the card and it was completely fine for like half a year. I just nuked all my drivers as clean as I possibly could reinstalled

Starting point is 01:27:51 everything. And I'm going to try it again this weekend and see how it goes. But I lost like an hour and then I lost like almost the same amount of progress, but I think like half an hour this time or something. Cause I knew it was going on. That's really annoying. I do. Yeah. I i i do think this the part of the game that i'm currently in is feels a little bit less engaging than what i just got through um i was at like the big fight

Starting point is 01:28:18 when they're like trying to assault the town that you're in yeah whatever um i beat that that was cool there's a lot of lead up to that. That was all really exciting. And now like, I'm not quite as engaged as I was, but it's still good. I'm at like, what is it to play Zozo or something?

Starting point is 01:28:33 Oh, oh, it's real. Okay. Pretty soon. Yeah. I started getting smacked around a little bit. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:40 Yeah. The fight was actually really easy. No, no, that's fine. Zozo is a real challenge. Yeah. They hit hard. Yeah. And all of a sudden easy. No, no, that's fine. Zozo is a real challenge. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:45 Um, they, they hit hard and all of a sudden you have to like figure out magic. Yeah. Yep. I'm running into that, but it keeps like dying. The game,

Starting point is 01:28:55 the game deletes my progress while I'm in Zozo. I love the music in Zozo. The music's pretty cool. Um, I'm trying to figure out, I can tell there's like something going on that i don't understand but then i i don't know if i've gotten to the point where i can't actually understand it because i haven't finished zozo because it keeps crashing um but there's like all the people keep

Starting point is 01:29:16 talking about the second hand and stuff don't like i'm not trying to i'm gonna ignore chat for a little while yeah zozo's zozo's a weird place yeah yeah there's some weird stuff going on i have you know picked up on a few things like the town before everybody tells you they're liars and then you show up and they tell you very specific things yeah so it's like okay i'll just do the opposite or whatever and then that's been working out yeah but i think there's other stuff going on um i just haven't had enough time to like really explore it and figure it out yet fox in a box reminded me of how to train your dragon. Yeah. I kind of just pretend the third movie doesn't exist.

Starting point is 01:29:48 The first two are incredible. How to train your dragon. One is one of my all time favorite movies. I think they just, I, I don't see how it was possible for them to deviate that much from the source material and still just make such an absolute banger of a movie. Do you like the source material?

Starting point is 01:30:10 It's great. Yeah, yeah. Have you read it? No. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, it's great. I've watched the movie and it was great, but I haven't read it. It's great in its own way, but to give you some idea how different it is, Toothless...

Starting point is 01:30:21 Okay, for one thing, to give you some idea how different it is, the Vikings and the dragons are coexisting already at the very beginning of How to Train Your Dragon, the book series. I haven't watched it in a long time, but isn't that like the plot of the first one or something? Yeah, that they don't. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:38 Yeah. So Toothless is this big and like lives in Hiccupups shirt um that's pretty different yeah that's cool though yeah did they work with the writer to like make a derivative or did they just come up with it on their own i don't know if crescent cowl cowl cowl i can't remember her name uh but i don't know how involved she was in the movies, but they are completely different. But they did the typical movie thing.

Starting point is 01:31:13 So the books end well, but they did the typical movie thing where in the third one, it's just like, yeah, there's a sad ending. And then they're just like, fail. Yeah, I hate that that i don't know i saw some people talking about how their kids movies you know they're you're not the target audience it's like right but the kids media that i remember so much had sadness it had emotion like one of one of maybe no i i think it's fair to say one of my favorite movies when I was a kid was The Land Before Time.

Starting point is 01:31:48 That is a devastating, it has, it's emotionally. Yeah, people are already pointing it out. One of the most like quintessential obvious examples is Bambi. Yeah. Doesn't come back alive. Nope. No, Mama's dead. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:11 Yeah. Man, Lion King. live nope no mama's dead yeah yeah man lion king yeah mufasa's like he's fucking dead you can't undo that shit you know yeah like this whole just like i don't know uh uh time travel resurrection uh just undo the negative effects like yeah nah man anyway uh we're supposed to do sponsor spots apparently thanks to throne for sponsoring this week's show we personally use throne to create some of our landing pages you can find in our description boxes but this holiday season they're doing something special when was the last time you were part of a world record attempt now is your chance to get in on the action and participate in Throne's attempt to break the world record for the largest online gift exchange ever. The steps are super simple. Enroll in the Ultimate Secret Santa Gift Exchange at the link below, and you'll automatically be matched with another participant.

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Starting point is 01:34:38 Okay, sold. Yeah, we took sold. Yes, you did. Epic finally wins. A jury has sided with Epic in their lawsuit against google agreeing that google used anti-competitive business practices to maintain the play store's dominant position in the android app distribution market so how is that possible but they lost to apple okay so as far as i can tell it came down to oh here look it's in our notes epic lost a similar

Starting point is 01:35:03 battle against apple which it is currently our notes. Epic lost a similar battle against Apple, which it is currently appealing to the Supreme Court. A major distinction between the two fights seems to be that while Apple just disallowed competitors from its platform outright, Google suppressed competition through behind-the-scenes deals while technically allowing third-party app stores. Google executives also made the error of writing things down

Starting point is 01:35:27 and attempting but failing to delete the evidence. So it turns out you just have to be even more of a monopolist and then it's not a problem. Yeah. I would prefer the just not allowing. I would actually say if I had to pick one. And apparently the jury agrees. I'd rather it was the jury agrees apples well i think they're both wrong but google is likely to appeal the ruling however this marks the first major antitrust decision in the u.s since the one against microsoft over 23 years ago and there

Starting point is 01:35:57 should have definitely been a lot more can i just say i'm rooting for a lot more yeah like for real man apple meanwhile is likely to get hit with an eu ban on the App Store's current anti-steering rules that ban music services from pushing users towards alternate subscription options. The European Council is also investigating Apple's restrictions on its tap-and-go combined payment feature. In response, Apple has offered to open the feature up to apple pay competitors i think that between the u.s finally recognizing google's nonsense and the eu continuing to just awesome to just they just win completely understand what apple's doing everything apple is doing is pretty much to maintain its stranglehold on the walled garden ecosystem i don't know what group of people in the eu because i i don't pay attention there's enough stuff going on in canada

Starting point is 01:36:51 um i don't know what group of people is like championing these things within that governing body but damn doing good work absolute giga chad yeah um and i can't say i'm the biggest fan of epic and yeah you know i'm not saying everything tim sweeney's ever done is um nope good at all um some of it's great yeah this is great even uh even my my one personal toe-to-toe with him, I ended up being more right than I was led to believe I was. I was treated like I was completely wrong, and I was wrong about a lot of things. The PS5's SSD architecture was very cool,

Starting point is 01:37:37 and I was probably dismissive of it in a way that I shouldn't have been, and I would have understood better if blah, blah, blah. I had watched Mark Cerny's presentation, and i corrected all that and i was i was wrong about a lot of things but what i wasn't wrong about was that sweeney was clearly sucking sony's dick over it uh in a way that seemed disproportionate and then what was it two weeks later i think so a week later it came out that sony had made a huge

Starting point is 01:38:05 investment into epic games it was really fast so even though i got some of the details wrong my bull detector was 100 calibrated or the argument yeah uh yeah yeah uh but but with that said the way that they've gone about this like we shouldn't just like crap on the good things that they're doing because we haven't agreed with someone over everything we've ever done in the past and they have clearly not accepted a ruling that just helps epic games they have clearly drawn a line that says no we want a solution for the entire ecosystem that just breaks down the walls around these gardens whether they are explicit walls or hidden walls and just cut the bulls**t like the funny thing is that's how it always used to work you could buy it an application is what we used to call it from anywhere

Starting point is 01:39:02 and there was competition in the marketplace and you could install it on your freaking computer. And then we just all kind of lost track of that because, oh, no, I don't know. It's a phone. It's not a computer. It's a computer! None of this matters.

Starting point is 01:39:15 Get the application anywhere. And there are ways to ensure that these applications are just as... It's important....safe as if they were purchased through the Play Store, through an app store. to ensure that these applications are just as safe as if they were purchased through the Play Store, through an app store. I don't know. Well, you've got the tabby bit.

Starting point is 01:39:34 And I feel like if it came undone, but the tabby bit was done, it would just flap like this. But having it on the bottom, they're just going to hinge over. But if I wanted my... What's the point of these? Right, right, right.

Starting point is 01:39:44 But then if I wanted my cleavage to show, i wouldn't want the tabs there oh i don't know maybe they're supposed to go on the side i'm i'm just not sure no he no no the tab dan we're talking about what the tab is for yeah the top to the top then but then what if what if you have a low cut yeah it's not for that oh oh sorry there you go now you look better is this a serious podcast i had this is a podcast i had a moment like 23 minutes ago. Hold on. I'm sorry. I'm gonna let you finish. But what this comes up a lot.

Starting point is 01:40:31 What the fuck is the difference between this and a podcast? People keep telling me the WAN show is not a podcast. And honestly, admittedly, I don't watch podcasts. I don't listen. Excuse me. I don't listen to them. What is the difference how many podcasts there's literally no difference there's technically a podcast we post the audio to all of the

Starting point is 01:40:51 podcasting sites i was just gonna say literally in charge of dealing with all the back backline systems for the podcast version of this and some of them we even just upload the whole video you can watch the wan show with video on spotify which i didn't even know was a thing really you didn't know that i didn't know that spotify sent me a christmas present oh that's yeah apparently we're like a creator on that platform now i was like who the f**k are you when like the rep reached out oh my god he didn't say it that way oh we just left no i mean that's way more words than i type in emails yeah we went through this last week yeah yeah no no we just uh we just technically

Starting point is 01:41:34 left spotify yeah that's like that's like five whole words we left spotify we're on different more better spotify now what's what's that it's still what is it i don't know if we're going to talk about it or not but maybe i thought you had been mentioned we're still on spotify we're still on spotify we are yeah but it's more better what we changed the way that we're on spotify well what's that none of this matters oh okay so we're not having a business meeting on wancho do you want to have a business meeting on wancho theoretically it should get on there faster is this confidential because people i have no idea i don't think so okay we get a lot of we get a lot of negative feedback when the wan show goes up like the next

Starting point is 01:42:14 week on spotify yeah no one wants to work on it over the weekend um yeah it's amazing how that works people are super mad when there's a perception that we have crunch or overwork our employees but they're even more mad yes when the wan show doesn't miraculously get posted instantly on the weekend when it's like still processing or it's it's a funny thing right it's like what i don't know what do you guys want well the new system should allow us i should allow me uh to post it immediately after the wan show yeah tacky the penguin says just pay someone to work on the weekend what if they don't want to work on the weekend you're already paying me i'm already here did you ever think of that yeah so it should be it should be faster now

Starting point is 01:42:52 and there's other cool benefits there is um i and i think it goes on more more platforms now i don't think so it's just a centralized platform, so we don't have to have 700,000 accounts. And it is a Spotify partner thing. It's called Megaphone. Yeah, so it gets distributed out from them, by them. Okay. Still Spotify. We just, one source, it do the thing. Now Dan doesn't have to go boop-de-boop as many times.

Starting point is 01:43:20 I don't even touch it. It's other people. Yeah. It's like five other people for multiple hours to produce the podcast version of the live broadcast version of the whatever the show this is yeah i don't the talk show it's a talk show that's a live stream and it's also a podcast and it's snowing on the banner yeah Yeah. I love it. Who knows? Was that a good business meeting?

Starting point is 01:43:47 Goodbye. Yeah, it was a pretty good business meeting. Realistically, guys, yes, we could have someone work a 20-minute shift on... Oh, wait, no, we can't do that because that's illegal. Yeah. Okay, so hold on. No, we could have someone do a Tuesday to to saturday um except what would they what would they do for the rest of their day nobody else is in office and i guarantee you they don't want to do that yeah almost almost nobody wants to give up and what if they have a problem well then they're

Starting point is 01:44:18 gonna call me yeah yeah great perfect guess what i don't want to work on Saturday. Yeah. And you know what? There are things that we do do on weekends, but they are essential things. It's not supposed to be a scheduled thing to happen every single week. Yeah, like this Sunday, we're coming in to shoot a video, but the only reason we're doing that

Starting point is 01:44:35 is because the video is about upgrading our infrastructure, which is something we can't do during office time. Yeah, I was just going to say, every once in a while, Dan or Sean or just Sean or just Dan or whatever will have to come in to do some form of infrastructure thing because you you don't want downtime while people are here like it happens but it's not something you want to schedule like i think it should be recurring

Starting point is 01:44:53 schedule it being recurringly scheduled like that would i think be a issue legally right it's like this is hilarious maybe people are flipping out in float plane chat you can't schedule someone to work for a single hour in canada no no you see guys minimum guys i think this is where a lot of the miscommunication around the union thing comes from we have really strong worker protections here like just at all no i know you can't do that because it's not considered reasonable for someone to commute to and from a place of work and then only be scheduled for a very short shift. I believe the minimum is four hours. And so, you know, above and beyond that, we do a lot. And all I've ever said, I've never said, you know, they can't because I can't say that because that's illegal All I've ever said Is that I would consider it a failure

Starting point is 01:45:46 I would think that we screwed Up if people felt That that was necessary It looks like it's I thought I swear It was four but it looks like it's two Okay it might also depend But like that would also be a Super lame thing

Starting point is 01:46:02 To do well yeah so like You don't want to do that even if we could do that we wouldn't it's stupid yeah yeah yeah guys it's just it's man it's anyway yeah i just looked up the hours of work and overtime for british columbia and it says two i i totally had the understanding that it was four i think the four might be like if you're scheduled for a shift and then you get there and you're there for 20 minutes and they go oh actually we don't need you today we have you have to pay out four is that it if they try to send you home yeah yeah i don't know guys yeah it's we could but there's another factor it's a relatively low priority yeah and now it doesn't even matter yeah you could get it

Starting point is 01:46:57 on youtube you could get it on floatplane we had people asking why the floatplane one is delayed and that's just because of processing time. We don't have YouTube magic. We don't do live processing stuff. It's kind of cool. The, the YouTube stuff. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:13 Oh yeah, absolutely. It's super cool. We don't have that super cool. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe someday, maybe not.

Starting point is 01:47:20 All right. Uh, what else are we supposed to be talking about right now? Oh, I love this. Tesla demands statute of limitations on lying. Yeah, this is amazing. That moment, like this is some supreme level gaslighting stuff right here.

Starting point is 01:47:35 I didn't lie, but if I did, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Because it was a long time ago. Following a two-year investigation, the California Department of Motor Veh vehicles is accusing tesla of misleading advertising concerning its full self-driving feature something that i'd like to point out that we were calling them on many years before the department of motor vehicles brought it up and tesla thinks that delay for them to bring it up is a really big deal tesla argues that it

Starting point is 01:48:02 relied on the assumption that the dmv tacitly accepted its marketing because tesla started using the term full self-driving in 2016 and the dmv didn't act until 2021 wow tesla also claims that california's false advertising rules for autonomous vehicles inappropriately restrict constitutionally protected speech that is truthful and non-misleading so because no one called you on your bullshit for a long time you should get off now there are things that work that way like we had talked before about how um i believe this came up when we were talking about uh react streamers where uh yeah there are actually rules in place

Starting point is 01:48:54 where if you know that someone is infringing your copyright you have to defend and you intentionally allow them to continue to do it for a long time so that you can seek additional damages um that can that can blow up in your face and you you can lose that because you didn't do anything about it but this is different there is no increase in damages that the dmv is after they're just saying you can't do that um i don't know maybe the damn well i I don't know maybe the damage I actually don't know what damage is there after

Starting point is 01:49:29 I have no idea okay forget that huh yeah what would the what would the difference be here that's very interesting could they make the argument that they you know didn't know or realize the extent of it they needed to conduct their investigation i think this is going to be this is going to be an

Starting point is 01:49:58 interesting one there is weird stuff because like do you remember yeah that i'm gonna i'm gonna offshoot here a little bit for a sec but do you remember that whole thing where the subway sandwiches were not actually a foot long and they said that foot long was just like the name not a descriptor and all that kind of stuff they ended up losing that and they're they're an actual foot long now um so like there there was a bunch of that going on at that time i if i remember correctly, there was like Fresh Never Frozen from some other place. I don't know if that's the exact timeline, but it's something along those lines. Was that Tim Hortons? Maybe it was.

Starting point is 01:50:30 I don't know. I don't remember. It was one of them that was something like that. I don't remember if it was exactly that. Don't look too far into it. But they were like, yeah, 100% real Canadian beef, something like that, is also a company, not a tagline yeah like that's that's crazy it's like that's the name of our company that doesn't actually mean

Starting point is 01:50:53 anything it's like okay come on like this type of stuff is not maybe that's the one i was thinking of i don't know um but this type of stuff is not really super new but it is definitely super bs okay well at any rate uh good luck with that everyone uh we're supposed to do three merch messages now dan you want to hit me oh i heard his chair move i thought he thought he was coming over here i didn't think i did anything that bad today i'm'm so ready to go. I'm ready. I've been preparing for this. Okay, let's see. Hey, LLD, we know Linus has cameras in his house. Linus, that's creepy.

Starting point is 01:51:38 Linus, what went into your decision to include them? Did you have discussions with the family about privacy? Keep up the great work. Yeah. I mean, the decisions to include them i think when we first installed them was when we first got a nanny like a like an outside of our family nanny um and we were very upfront with them that we had them when we hired them we got them in advance of hiring the nanny so that it wouldn't be a weird change, a surprise. Yeah. Uh, but we, we just wanted the peace of mind of knowing what the heck was going on in our house.

Starting point is 01:52:10 Um, and it's been so useful for everything from figuring out which cat is peeing on things to, uh, where I left my keys to what actually happened when two kids come to me with different stories that i just don't see how i would ever go back at this point i thought it was going to be super weird when you first set it up and then i was like whatever i don't know like realistically you've probably hmm how do I say this you've probably said things in my

Starting point is 01:52:48 house that if they leaked on the internet you wouldn't be happy about it probably and yeah that could mean anything but at the end of the day I mean I think we have enough mutual

Starting point is 01:53:04 trust that that doesn't matter um and i think that's probably a pretty big part of it like i don't know i don't know how i'd feel like if i just went over to someone's house and they like didn't tell me about it and i like noticed part way through oh interesting yeah and or if it's someone that you don't know and you're exactly yeah okay um yours i think something that helps is they have that blue thing yeah they're like very like they're not hiding yeah whenever there's motion they yeah they're like very much like hey reminder that i'm here like they're not it doesn't feel like you're trying to sneak the cameras um but if i figured out like way into a night of hanging out that like this person had a recording

Starting point is 01:53:47 of the entire thing and i didn't really know this person all that well and stuff that might be weird yeah it's technically legal here yeah we're a single party consent um territory yeah but it's still considered um i don't know if i would say taboo, but it's still definitely considered odd to just pull out your phone and record a conversation. It's clear you expect something to go down. I don't know, man. It's mostly just a convenience thing for me. The reality of it is that cameras don't do anything

Starting point is 01:54:25 to protect you from theft. The only somewhat positive outcome we've had from a break-in that we had at the office a number of years ago was that they ultimately did catch the guy, but we didn't get anything back. We still had to pay out our insurance because everything they confiscated was evidence it's like okay cool so they're like yeah you should probably just like

Starting point is 01:54:52 go through your insurance because it could be years before you get this stuff back because the courts move slow it's like okay thanks for that that's really great super cool uh anyway i i don't remember where we're going with this dan you want to hit me again yeah sure we'll do that uh that top one there sure what is the most legitimate hard-hitting or cutting bit of criticism you have received from your viewers oh man the most legitimate it's hard to say because when we get feedback that i think is really legitimate we try to act on it um and hard hitting i think the most hard-hitting thing could is gonna be something that seems relatively simple on the surface like this is boring um

Starting point is 01:55:46 i don't know about that i definitely i definitely took it to heart in a big way when people were rightly critical of us for um doing that that sponsored video with Facebook on the portal. It was a product that for the purpose that it served, it served its purpose. It was a video calling machine for video calling people on Facebook. But from a price to performance standpoint, aside from it doing what they said it was gonna do, it's not like anyone here felt

Starting point is 01:56:24 it was the best possible solution for that. And we did all of our usual things where we, we went out of our way to not say anything that we don't believe. Um, we included talking points clearly presented as talking points. Um, but people were, were upset with us working with Facebook at all. And so that's something that we have, that's something that changed the way that we looked at sponsor engagements back then and has persisted up until now. Um, I don't know if we've had many opportunities, if any, to work with Facebook on, you know, product hardware or sponsorships or anything like that, but I'm not aware of us having done so. That doesn't mean that we don't work with Facebook at all. I mean, we post our

Starting point is 01:57:19 videos on their platform, so they, they write us checks. Um, I know we did a thing where they had like this, um, it was like a a thing where they had like this um it was like a podcast thing or like like spaces or something i forget what it was even called but we had like some guests and we did we did like a sponsored series there uh but people made it very clear that especially with what was going on with uh meta then oculus um and facebook and the way that they were handling all of that that they were really unhappy with Facebook's sort of hardware division and didn't want us working with them. So, you know, that's something.

Starting point is 01:57:51 I've got to say, a lot of our, I feel like a lot of our transparency in sponsorships has kind of bitten us in the butt. I think that people see us talk about sponsorships a lot and talk about our relationships with companies a lot and then assume that you know everything they see is just the tip of the iceberg and for every one thing that we disclose there's probably 10 that we don't one thing that was really frustrating recently was the amount of negative feedback we took over our playstation portal review i was really up front that i'm bullish on these devices. I think they're super cool.

Starting point is 01:58:26 I think that for the audience, the PlayStation Portal is a solution that could make sense. I think the pricing makes sense on a hardware level. Realistically, you are not at the required margins of a publicly traded company like Sony and its various retail partners. You're not building a device for less than $200 that does that stuff. We expressed our doubts about the future of the device if Sony keeps

Starting point is 01:58:51 it locked down and optimism about the community jailbreaking it. And we said everything that we had to say about it. And the number of people that have looked at that video and gone, obvious shill paid by Sony has been really really discouraging because we haven't talked about this but we explicitly turned down a sponsorship for the playstation portal we've actually never to my knowledge worked with sony in a sponsored capacity and it's possible that a deal or two has happened that i'm not aware of sure but i'm not aware of any and we specifically didn't take any money on the playstation portal because we were concerned about the optics of us liking it talking about it positively when we knew that there was a subset of people that

Starting point is 01:59:38 were really angry about it and we kind of went yeah this is not the right thing for our audience and we need to make sure that we keep this one purely editorial and then to have that like thrown in our faces was um i i just don't really know what to make of it i i i i don't understand the whole situation it's like can you imagine for a second a product that wasn't made for you yeah i i've brought this up before but related to uh reviews of technology, but like having every single person in your entire sphere say the exact same thing is not actually a good experience. You want people to show different opinions. And just because you're like a Xbox fanboy or a PC fanboy and it's not for you doesn't mean it didn't sell out like immediately and every person that I know that owns a PlayStation bought one and is also happy with it well just the super

Starting point is 02:00:32 flawed logic right like I saw people talking about how this isn't a $200 device it's a $700 device because you also need a PlayStation 5 what the f**k are you talking about you already have a PlayStation 5 or you wouldn't be buying this you need to buy another one now no i i don't know it's not a product for me that's like saying a tank of gas costs 25 000 because you have to have a car to put it in it's like like little tree air freshener. That's a really good analogy, actually. I just don't know how to deal with it, right? And it's really funny because so much of the conspiracy theory, this must have been sponsored stuff that gets posted about us.

Starting point is 02:01:17 It's from people who so obviously don't understand how brands work and how sponsorships work that I just don't really know how to even begin to correct it right like we talk openly in that video about jailbreaking the portal do you imagine for a second that any executive at sony would green like that are you stupid honestly yeah Stupid. Honestly. Yeah. Wow. You know? Wow.

Starting point is 02:01:57 That's not how that works. That's not how any of that works. Brands are so cautious about their image and about controlling their messaging, guys, that think about it. They will pull their advertising off of a platform just because there might be a risk that their completely separate ad might show near something that they find incompatible with their brand. Yeah. Come on, you know, come on. Common sense. It's, it's hard. It's really hard. Um, it's not that hard, please. I can't. Um, yeah. So, so, you know, I think the hardest hitting, sorry, back to the original original question i got completely derailed here hardest hitting um but legitimate

Starting point is 02:02:51 yeah luke's probably right when the content sucks it's and we know it's time to innovate and it's hard yeah especially when you try it on something and then a not insignificant amount of people are like it's like oh man oh they've been going down lately it's like damn dude like i actually put effort into this one if you did just like fart it out then sure whatever maybe the problem is that a lot of the time the fart out stuff is what performs really well and the stuff we work really hard on like the playstation performing video of all time was a fart out dude the playstation portal we worked really hard on yeah we we crunched um we didn't get it till late um we because there was the sponsorship opportunity we uh we had to have meetings internally to kind of talk about whether this makes sense and, and if we should proceed,

Starting point is 02:03:45 um, we, we wanted to test it in a way that was meaningful given that reviews of the device were already out before we even got access to ours. So we wanted to, we wanted to, you know, up our game and make sure we were doing a very comprehensive look at it, including,

Starting point is 02:04:00 uh, pickups after we had shot it to address new information that had come to light like information about the soc but so much of the criticism about that video was just utterly unfair like i i was taken to task at uh by a number of people over talking about how it has storage it doesn't have any storage of course it has f***ing storage. What else does the operating system run on? I included storage in my bill of... It's in the cloud. I included storage in my bill of materials

Starting point is 02:04:31 because of course it has storage! What, you think that bits are magic? I'm sorry I keep talking about this, but like, what are you talking about? You might not have access. It f***ing costs money have money yeah you might not even have access to it yeah but it's still there it's still there they still have to pay for it yeah it's not magic yeah geez man yeah anyway come on man the os isn't storage no but it sits on it oh man oh man it's bill of materials they had to buy a thing that you can put data on to put inside the playstation portable it doesn't mean you can use it it's just all wire memory

Starting point is 02:05:19 yeah wire memory thank you dan um do you want another merch message no all right uh hi dll given some of the messes amd has managed to make even as the nice guy of the graphics industry what would happen if nvidia really does leave the graphics and radion becomes the big dog in town? They would do exactly what they did in CPUs and they would stomp all over you and maximize their profits for their shareholders. I mean, they're a corporation, right? That's what they do.

Starting point is 02:05:55 And before you say it, yes, Linus Media Group Incorporated is also a corporation, but there's a very big difference between a company with many, many shareholders and a complex corporate structure and one that has two shareholders who sleep together. Yvonne and I are pretty aligned on things. And if we decide that our corporation can just, you know, make less money because we feel like it's the right thing to do, then we can do that but that's

Starting point is 02:06:25 not something that a company with a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders can do so it's not quite the same thing but also corporations are not your friends any of them trust but verify is there any other sort of things that we should remind people of don't pre-order yeah yeah no i think that one's pretty good don't buy a playstation portal if you don't have a f***ing playstation yeah maybe yeah maybe you're right it's not for you maybe it is a bad product for you maybe it's a bad product i don't even know yeah i i have no interest in it because i don't have a playstation So why do I care? But my job is to put myself in the head of someone who might be interested in that product.

Starting point is 02:07:10 And people with PlayStations really liked the review. Yeah. Oh, man. I don't know. Sorry. I was unsure about it because people were mad at you about it. And I was like, does this matter? And I checked in with friends that have PlayStations.

Starting point is 02:07:34 And they're like, I got got one seems pretty all right like okay i don't know yeah yeah all right uh what are we supposed to be doing right now i don't know we're way off track uh you can either topic yeah go back to topic segment's this segment what is adver games i have the adver game segment if you would like to participate okay yeah can we play adver games you get to play adver games nice we'll probably do with the top one and the bottom one first or you can start with the middle one one of them requires a laptop the other one requires an xbox um why don't you just tell us what to do, because I think my brain is basically fried. Today was a really long day. Let's just go in order.

Starting point is 02:08:09 We did. The order makes it more complicated. We did a tech upgrade for ElectroBoom. Oh, cool. That's probably sick. He hugged me. Oh, that's cool. The upgrade was that good.

Starting point is 02:08:22 Did he do it while electrified? No, actually. Oh, wow. I mean, he did that good. Did he do it while electrified? No, actually. Oh, wow. I mean, he did that too. No, no, it was, he said this was, this was, this is crazy because I think it's so easy to get stuck in our bubble of just, you know, we three FPS here and, you know, uh, everyone, everyone, I don't, I don't know what bubble it is, but just the bubble where we live and breathe technology

Starting point is 02:08:50 and it's mind-boggling to us that other people don't. He said to me, I thought lag was just part of life because he was scrubbing the timeline on his new pc and it was instant it was just fluid and he was like this is gonna help me so much um he's a he's a he's a he's a he's an interesting character i love medhi he's just one of the most genuine people um so down to earth you know he's just one of the most genuine people yeah um so down to earth you know he's got six million subscribers like the guy's the guy's huge right like you know he's the kind of guy where you know great artists his kids friends come over and want selfies with their dad right like you know like he's huge and he's just a normal dude super nice dude super cool dude uh but sometimes he does drive me crazy a

Starting point is 02:09:47 little bit because he doesn't make investments that to me as a technophile are kind of obvious and he just you know tolerates things not working and i'm just like it's constantly weird and confusing to me i'll hear about some creator that's like massive and it's like, what's their like data storage solution? It's like eight USB hard drives. And it's like, what? Yeah. What? Yeah. Because imagine this, some people have a life outside of tinkering with their computer. No, I know it's illegal, but it's so, it's so hard I think for us and, and I'm including myself and him and you guys. It's so hard for us to imagine that other people don't want to build a computer on the weekend. That that is just the last thing that they want to do.

Starting point is 02:10:35 They want to go climb a mountain. Or they want to go for dinner with friends in person. Or they, whatever, right? for dinner with friends in person or they whatever right they want a game on their playstation 5 on their portal which is a perfectly legitimate product to buy if it solves a problem for you yeah right like there's there's there's other things that other people prioritize other than doing things with their computers and with technology and so you know but but that doesn't mean that i don't love it and that i don't love sharing that excitement and that passion and seeing people appreciate the things that i spend my time on uh is really cool and you know hearing

Starting point is 02:11:17 that was uh it was awesome it's a great video i think there's going to be a ton of floatplane exclusives is it a amd tech upgrade? No, it's just, it's just a group. We felt like doing a tech upgrade from Eddie and we went and just got a random sponsor because it wasn't $5,000. I think the computer tower was $5,000. Oh wow. And we did,

Starting point is 02:11:41 man, we did everything. We did like monitors, um, better filming equipment better networking he's got a tv like we we decked him out because we're just like meddy's meddy's a bro yeah he's come out and collabed with us a couple of times asks nothing in return absolutely nothing other than the pleasure of our company and to hang out and make a video and you know get out of the office

Starting point is 02:12:06 for a little bit and and like he's just a genuine dude yeah and uh and so we were just like you know who'd be cool to just deck out meddy so we went for it um anyway it was a really long day though uh sorry dan are we supposed to be doing something we're supposed to play games i want to play games Medi. So we went for it. Anyway, it was a really long day though. Sorry, Dan. Are we supposed to be doing something? We're supposed to play games? I want to play games. Yeah. Adver games. Adver games. I'm down. Do your laptop's HDMI place. You want...

Starting point is 02:12:36 Okay. You want... Oh, yes, yes, yes. I understand. Okay. It'll work. It'll be fine. Because of this thing being stuck down if you put it right there it won't press any buttons set his daughter up with a framework laptop nice

Starting point is 02:12:50 um okay and okay sure okay wait am I the only one playing Luke doesn't play you can wow wow wow

Starting point is 02:13:03 wow what a dick yeah it's all his fault i don't know who else worked on it but it's his fault uh okay i blame you dan it's the only few things that i get to torture you guys with um so preferential treatment i'm not feeling tortured i feel good unless this game is terrible and i'm the one getting f**ked um okay you never know so um yeah feel free to hit run and i will switch over to your laptop i'm already getting screwed over this is connected via bluetooth he's setting me up to fail oh yeah you know it all right oh here we go oh okay so what the challenge is to figure out who it was i mean coke probably wait is that the

Starting point is 02:13:52 challenge i think so we have you may try to guess which brand sponsored each game uh can you even can you even move how am i supposed to play this oh there you go what's happening maybe we got this one for free so uh let's see while the game was meant to boost morale most employee recipients discarded their copies only 125 copies were distributed making one of the rarest atari 2600 games exist, and actual copies of it have sold for $1,825 on eBay. Wow. So this was an actual Atari cartridge. You're gonna get the P!

Starting point is 02:14:34 I'm getting the P! You watch me get the... Oh, dang it. Watch me get the PP. There we go. Those eyes look troublesome. Are you gonna get the thing those eyes are no problem bonus for the hitting the Pepsi what wait what's up with that yeah what what was up with that dang it dang it get over here oh no that. Dang it.

Starting point is 02:15:05 Dang it! Get over here! Oh no. You gotta wait for them to come back. You're not fast enough. One more! Can he do it? Can he do it? Yeah! Nicely done. Nicely done. And then I just do it again? Forever. You defeated

Starting point is 02:15:21 the Coke. Good job. Does it even store your scores or anything i don't know i don't know well no it's adding to the score i got last time so i'm getting like a higher score for the second wave okay do you want to try the next one sure i guess yeah okay go back to the wine camp yeah linus linus successfully shot the pp uh okay uh sure thanks dan okay so do you want to do the next one luke i don't sure i mean i can do it too it doesn't matter yeah you know what just it's here yep all right so this one we actually have to guess because we don't actually know i guess

Starting point is 02:16:02 this one is probably going to be a little bit more difficult if i'm being perfectly honest okay um so let's take this something we would even know i don't know probably yeah definitely oh so let's go over to linus's laptop and we'll get this going lindora so this game is called darkened sky okay where did you start from i loaded a game Darkened Sky. Okay. Where did you start from? I loaded a game. Oh, you didn't just start from the stop? I thought that I was supposed to probably load the game.

Starting point is 02:16:33 Maybe, I don't know. That's what I would have thought as well. I would definitely start a new game. Oh, okay. Really? Yeah. I mean, this is only six minutes in, Dan. Really? Okay, fine.

Starting point is 02:16:44 Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow. Whoa, okay. I can't figure out how to do anything I have drawn my weapon I'd start a new game I'm not sure how to swing it is there a tutorial or something you regen is that HP in the bottom left you regen that really fast okay so what right right trigger is jump? What are these controls, Dan? It's supposed to be a GameCube controller. Uh, okay. I have never played on GameCube, so I would have no way of knowing...

Starting point is 02:17:16 Oh, okay, left trigger is this. Let me just see if I can get rid of your... I mean, this seems really good. Yeah, get out of combat for a second or something. Okay. I proceeded down a gentle slope and... Well, you were... I think you were out of HP and you got shot at the same time.

Starting point is 02:17:41 There you go. Okay, so I'm at the beginning of the game now? I think so, yeah. Oh, look, I got a secret. A rune mine. Uh, sure. Oh, I wanted to whack him. Wow, that voice acting, I love it, actually.

Starting point is 02:18:02 Okay, food. Okay, food Oh wow What possibly is this? I'll give you a hint after the cutscene You don't want a hint? Okay The hood, I love it The hood. I love it. Okay.

Starting point is 02:18:34 Yeah, that didn't really seem like that convincing a sales pitch to me. I have a feeling Necroth is supposed to be the big giveaway. I have no idea. What the heck? Why was I swinging around so much when they weren't there? What is this move? Okay, I think double tapping is a heavy attack?

Starting point is 02:18:56 You know what? I'm sorry, Dan, but I just have no idea what's going on right now. I would... Okay, well, another cutscene. Hold on. what's going on right now. I would... Okay, well, another cutscene. Hold on. Oh, that's right. The orange thing.

Starting point is 02:19:11 Orange thing. Oh! The rune of power! Oh! It's a power rune. It's a magical rock. It's a skittle. It's a skittle.

Starting point is 02:19:25 What? What kind of subliminal nonsense did they think they were doing here? So is that as explicit as it gets, or is it like... Now, that I'm not entirely sure about. Skittles? It's technically... Well, we've got some fun facts here. It's technically not an adventure game

Starting point is 02:19:47 Or sorry, adver game Because the brand didn't pay Simon & Schuster Simon & Schuster paid a royalty on sales To use the brand Why? They paid to have Skittles As their runes of power it seems like I didn't know that, that's absolutely messed up

Starting point is 02:20:06 What? Oh. Skye is voiced by Linda Larkin, best known as the voice of Princess Jasmine in Disney's Aladdin. Wow. So this had at least some kind of a budget. I mean, it's not evident from what's happening right now.

Starting point is 02:20:23 A young girl named Skye finds one of five brightly colored magical stones, then embarks on a quest to collect all the stones, searching for her missing mother and defeating the evil wizard Necroff. Why are they Skittles?

Starting point is 02:20:40 The game features a magic system based on the stones with different combinations of colors creating different spells. The rainbow-themed magic stones are, in fact, the branded product. Okay, well, I think that's probably enough of that. Yeah, probably. Yeah. I'll go back to you guys there.

Starting point is 02:20:58 I just don't understand. Luke's face is phenomenal. Okay, and the last one I've got for you You both actually get to play Yay Luke sounds very excited Well We've seen the quality of gameplay so far

Starting point is 02:21:15 I need a different Xbox controller I'm assuming this is connected to something else What about second Xbox controller Why is this one not good Second game And the other one too into Xbox controller. Why is this one not gold? Second game. We want some runes of power? I actually don't. I'm good with no runes of power.

Starting point is 02:21:39 Okay, let's see. How do we do this? The runes of power are candy cane themed handcuffs. Should try and play it with those on. Oh, he's going to do it, isn't he? You must have known that was going to happen. The second you said that, one of us was going to end up wearing these. I'm still not used to that. I've been doing this for so long and I still forget the power of making comments like that.

Starting point is 02:22:03 I'm a little confused by this. Okay. This warning makes a lot of sense to me. For adult novelty use only, warning, please discontinue if there's any discomfort for you or your partners. Ages 14 plus. Wait, was partners pluralized? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:22:31 Oh, yeah. Ages 14 plus. um yeah more than that please yeah wow these really are the exact same handcuffs that you could get at the dollar store when I was a child, but with cheap fuzz on them. And probably for like $15. Yeah, $15 exactly. Why do you know how much these cost? Why do you know the price of novelty handcuffs? By the way, these are as small as the kid ones too. They like barely

Starting point is 02:22:59 fit even on me. Oh wow. Check mine. Let's see. I was able to do two clicks on mine without it being quite uncomfortable you can do any oh oh just send it hold on is it is it in the hole no no it's not yeah it won't it won't close on him oh wait it's not in the hole? Yeah, there you go. You gotta spit on it. No, you can't squeeze. I know, I was just messing with you. No, I can't click it. I almost got it.

Starting point is 02:23:31 It was very close. I mean, yeah, my wrists are not huge and I can only do... Ow, four really hurts. I can do two comfortably. Okay, let's get these on and prepare to play a game. They're already falling

Starting point is 02:23:45 apart these seem to be single use items ouch i mean realistically what were you gonna do wash them okay anyway uh all right let's uh let's go here yeah you're gonna play there there you go uh i think is that me on the left yeah dude you're booking it you've been booking it for the last three hours uh i guess i guess push start uh uh linus i think is is okay there you go you say one safety first is gonna run an obstacle course yeah is this like american ninja yeah exactly oh i see i don't a hundred percent understand exactly what we're supposed to be doing you got to get to the end as fast as you can so So this was a party game developed

Starting point is 02:24:45 for the Xbox 360 and released for free on the Xbox. Can you double jump? I think so. You can also hold the left trigger to sprint, too. Oh! I think. Oh, well, man, that would have friggin' helped. Yeah. Okay,

Starting point is 02:25:02 so basically, jumping is good. I mean, I'm so far behind luke that like really i feel like i'm not doing well there's tutorials in the background sometimes yeah i just didn't oh wow i fell into the water oh my goodness this is this is getting worse not better um okay how long are these courses though okay like i just i uh i am so far behind you dude i was stuck on one of the jumps for a very long time because i didn't know how to run yeah the the run helps a lot it do all right so yeah this is an american ninja warrior game basically it's inspired by that type of thing but the game listens yeah i want to i want to see if i can guess who actually paid for

Starting point is 02:25:50 it though oh yeah i mean i can continue uh sure i can continue giving some explanations but okay next level yeah if you want you can have a guest you want to have a guest uh mine is american ninja warrior oh i got it i got it you Oh, yeah. Are those not American flags? What are those flags? It's Doritos. Doritos? We both got it. Wow, that was awesome.

Starting point is 02:26:11 I was looking at the wrong screen. Yeah, me too. Sure. I mean, both of them were doing the exact same thing, Luke, so it's not really much of an excuse. How did you know it was Doritos? Doritos is correct. How did you know it was Doritos?

Starting point is 02:26:24 There was a tiny Doritos ad in the in the background oh that's gross i didn't even see that yeah it was like very small like a little little pop-up doritos thing and then it went away yeah that's this is weird this is a weird no no no no There we go. They seem to sponsor a bunch of different types of ad for games. Really? Subliminal... What? I didn't get hit by it! Is that something that's happened recently or like... I have absolutely no idea. Is this a rope? Subliminal Doritos, yeah. Oh, it's a rope. No, I don't need the rope. Okay, forget it. Uh-oh.

Starting point is 02:27:00 Uh-oh. I'm definitely losing this time. Uh, I'm probably not as far ahead as you might think or at all. Whoa, I just got creamed. How did I just do a cartwheel? Got friggin' creamed, boys. There was cream involved. Oh, I don't know if you want to say that while you're wearing those.

Starting point is 02:27:22 Sorry. I mean, it's not like they'd believe me if i said there wasn't okay so does the rope do something yeah sometimes my like controller shakes and i have no idea why and bad things happen uh i'm not at the bottom of the rope for too long i feel like real i think it might be sprinting for too long american ninja warriors would sprint the whole time so i don't know how real that is. Yeah, did you win already? I guess. I thought you were ahead of me. No, man.

Starting point is 02:27:49 I am not very good at games or this. You're better than you say. I mean, yeah, sure. You win often. I like the pose that my person chose to do. I like that they put their fist on their hip, but there's a gap.

Starting point is 02:28:07 Hey, you did it. hip But there's a gap Hey you did it Look there's a gap Oh I like that That's good My guy's really happy for someone who came in last Yeah Doritos okay so here Here's where I saw it On my screen it pops up right as we start The next level

Starting point is 02:28:22 Yeah there it is very top left oh wow yeah that's pretty small and kind of like out of the way for time to win because luke wasn't ready yeah boys yeah boys what the oh i didn't grab the rope I'm screwed oh it's over no man I just fell like 300 feet to my doom down to slide down to slide down to slide I'm down to slide oh buddy game oh man it moves you back really far in this level does it oh is that little helicopter thing the other player yeah that's that's luke yeah that's what oh what the oh dang oh a broken nose oh boy those hammer things i mean that time i definitely got hit by it but i often feel often feel like I'm not... I shouldn't get hit by it, but I do. It kind of feels like a bit of a...

Starting point is 02:29:30 We both just went off at the same time. It kind of feels a little random, like the speed that you have to go through the mat, and the differences in timing and stuff are just... I don't know, man. What the heck is going on here? Oh, okay. Oh, there's like the fast path up above, and I didn't realize that. Yeah. What?

Starting point is 02:29:51 I can't even see... Oh, there's a projectile. My eyes are too bad. Advantage Linus. He will not be able to take advantage of it. Uh-oh. I see what I was supposed to do. Woo!

Starting point is 02:30:05 You're supposed to... Oh, are you supposed to... Yeah, you're supposed to slide. I think I get it. Woo! What is this? How does this work? Oh, boy. Um, wow. What just happened? What just happened? Oh, you can't slide when it's going that way. That makes sense.

Starting point is 02:30:24 Oh, yeah,'t slide when it's going that way. That makes sense. Oh, yeah, boys. No! All right. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

Starting point is 02:30:36 Terrible. Oh! All right, I'm done. All right. GG. And this came off. Oh. You're just too strong, dude.

Starting point is 02:30:44 I'm putting it back on. This actually seems kind of fun. Well, not that. The Doritos game. The Doritos game. It was all right. Yeah. Darkened Sky, depending on when that was released.

Starting point is 02:30:59 I don't know. No. It was pretty bad. No, it was pretty clunky. But it was... You're supposed to be on the GameCube controllers, and those are very different. It looks a lot newer than...

Starting point is 02:31:10 Oh, it was 2002. Soul Reaver Legacy of Kain. And the controls of that are a lot better than Darkened Sky. It also came out on PC as well, I believe. So did Soul Reaver Legacy of Kain. Perfect. Yeah, no, no, man. I've not played it.

Starting point is 02:31:27 Sorry. All right, what are we supposed to be talking about now? We could do this week in AI. That's up to you. Do we? Are there any other main topics, though? Oh, we did the AMD overclocking thing. Should we talk about that?

Starting point is 02:31:40 Yeah. Or we didn't do, rather. Yeah. On Monday, Chinese Twitter user David Huang posted a warning that popped up talk about that or we didn't do rather yeah on monday chinese twitter user david huang posted a warning that popped up when he was enabling overclocking on his ryzen 7000 cpu which stated overclocking mode will now be permanently enabled for this processor effectively voiding warranty as previously stated wow that, that's pretty brutal. In response to user concern, AMD published a reaffirmation that

Starting point is 02:32:08 overclocking does not void a CPU's warranties. Enabling overclocking does, however, blow a hidden fuse to indicate that overclocking has been used at some point in the chip's history, and overclocking damage itself is not covered.

Starting point is 02:32:26 However, an overclocking damage itself is not covered. However, an overclocked chip is still covered by warranty or repair for other unrelated issues. Okay. Okay then. So basically we'll do it, but only if we say that the damage was not caused by overclocking which realistically i can tell you having seen the kind of equipment that these brands use to determine like a low level error

Starting point is 02:32:55 in these they are not pulling that out for every single stupid rma it's a dead chip that's that that that's it um so basically the only reason for this fuse to exist is an easy flag is if they will it's it's like it's like putting moisture sensors in your phone yeah and then saying but it's fine if you get liquid in it, we will honor your warranty. Um, I mean, to be clear, I don't think AMD has given us any indication yet that they intend to do

Starting point is 02:33:35 anything with this flag, with this fuse that can be blown. But the fact that they have it at all indicates that they felt they needed it. And the fact that they felt they needed it seems to indicate that they might feel they would need to use it at some point. And I just, I have a hard time imagining how they could tell the difference between a clock that a clock,

Starting point is 02:33:59 a chip that failed prematurely because it was overclocked or a chip that failed prematurely because it just failed prematurely because it was overclocked or a chip that failed prematurely because it just failed prematurely the flag would not change anything about that other than to tell them that you overclocked it at which point they could say at their discretion it failed prematurely because you overclocked it um yeah it's a little sketch definitely a little sketch errol doe says i think it's fair it tells them to look for signs of over current or over voltage damage and if they find it they could void your warranty but again i gotta tell you they are not doing that level of analysis on your like 400 cpu to you that's a lot of money

Starting point is 02:34:47 to a company like amd it is not it is actually not worth the time to take a technician and do a micro level analysis like nano level analysis on this chip and determine if you overclocked it or not because yeah if there could be some visually very obvious versions of that but there's also a bunch of not yeah also i i want to mention about crash course a bunch of people are saying that like it was actually a big thing for like them and their friends growing up that was decently fun yeah i it seemed pretty fun to me yeah yeah yeah we weren't trying to dog that i think we were more commenting on the other ones because they were like

Starting point is 02:35:28 it's four player as well four player couch co-op that's pretty sick that's pretty good that would have gotten some use if i had that when i was younger for sure no doubt if you the the demo of fusion frenzy got busted out of my house like all the time so yeah that definitely would have gotten some use the sliding actually added a surprising amount to the fun um but yeah anyway should we move on from that it's an important topic to bring up but i don't think there's a ton of discussion e3 is officially dead yeah was that the one no actually okay well it's dead which is sort of um was a surprise to me because i didn't realize it was still alive i thought it was dead already i don't know why i thought that but i definitely did yeah i just i i thought it was just already settled

Starting point is 02:36:19 that ea ea excuse me e3 was not a thing anymore. Yeah. So cool. Hasn't taken place since 2019. It was canceled entirely in 2020, 2022 and 2023. What possible expo could continue to survive after not being an expo for three years? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 02:36:41 Well, anyway, RIP E3, I guess guess i guess the game awards now is where everyone does that stuff or their own events i think that yeah online announcements stuff like that yeah honestly i'm pretty supportive of online announcements yeah why exactly is it that nintendo directs are great why do we burn like like tons upon tons of jet fuel to bring people to look at a present like powerpoint like i'm sorry i just i can't fathom it i don't understand it yeah yeah nintendo directs seriously i i wish more companies did Nintendo Direct style things because they're awesome. Anyways, should we talk about Ubiquiti? Yeah. Ubiquiti customers trade security cameras. Starting early Wednesday, users of Ubiquiti networking devices have been reporting that they can see and receive notifications from other users devices

Starting point is 02:37:45 through ubiquity's unify cloud portal this was flagged by a reddit user whose wife received a notification from a unify protect alongside a picture from someone else's security camera another user logged into the unify site manager and found 88 devices that's a lot that did not belong to them yet another user logged in and found that they had full access to someone else's UDM Pro. Once the users refreshed the portal page, they were shown only the devices associated with their own accounts. Following investigation, Ubiquity has issued a statement saying that this bug was caused by a misconfiguration in an upgrade to the unify cloud infrastructure according to

Starting point is 02:38:26 ubiquity only 12 accounts were inappropriately accessed and affected users will be contacted the problem has been fixed but is still under investigation again that is uh ubiquity statement um this is bad yeah discussion question how big is the risk of our security devices getting compromised and use against us why do we use them anyways um the risk is big they're a huge target um yeah and we've talked a ton of times on the show about how you should never really consider um anything that goes on the internet 100% bulletproof yeah like you can try to do whatever you can to resist against it but if it goes on to the internet there's a way that other people can get it realistically someone's probably seen my ding dong at some point dennis oh yeah i mean well i mean aside from Dennis.

Starting point is 02:39:33 In other news, Google stops snitching. Google is changing how it handles data from the Maps app, so the company will no longer have access to users' individual location histories. That means Google will no longer be able to answer geofence warrants so these are warrants that compel the company to disclose the information of anyone who was in the approximate location of a crime at the rough time that it was committed nearly all geofence warrants in the u.s are addressed to google and they represent 25 of the warrants google gets every year we have some discussion questions here, but I actually have a different discussion question

Starting point is 02:40:09 that I want to talk about. Do you think that this has anything to do with protecting their users? Or do you think, hold on, can you just let me finish the question? Jeez. Or do you think that it has more to do with Google just not wanting to do the administrative

Starting point is 02:40:27 paperwork of responding to these warrants oh yeah absolutely because there's no way it's simple there's like there's no way yeah it's legal yeah it doesn't generate revenue touch legal stuff it's annoying as heck uh and then yeah it's definitely it's definitely not generating revenue um wow my nose plugged there my voice got all weird but um yeah i don't know i'm not surprised at all this is probably a good thing because companies just collecting insane amounts of data about us is like not great so the fact that it's happening the right thing for probably the wrong reason yeah yeah because if they were if they were into the whole user privacy thing they wouldn't have done this in the first place yeah so they never were yeah um and there's definitely

Starting point is 02:41:18 no way they're not now can i just take a moment to say can you imagine committing a crime with your phone on you i mean obviously you know he's like step one or whatever but like yo leave that at home like leave what were they doing i don't know play music put on table leave oh he's listening to music yeah man it seems like the lowest level like most obvious things but you know yeah there's the whole criminals are dumb thing right i mean the smart criminals probably are doing pretty good for themselves like anything right there there's the there's the cream and then there's the crud um but yeah just some some advice free of charge i'm not a lawyer if you're gonna crime leave the phone

Starting point is 02:42:05 or you'll do the time you know oh my goodness uh the day before launches then the day after departs oh yeah this one i other than other than this game being um just sort of a disaster. I, I don't really know anything about this. Did you try the game? No, I hadn't even heard about this until I thought it was the game that like goat had exposed. Um, because,

Starting point is 02:42:36 uh, we, we've talked about goat moth a few times on the show around like Tarkov stuff, but he started doing like video game journalism stuff after that and he did something on a on a military game that sounded somewhat similar that was a huge scam so i assumed this was that but it's not it's apparently some other one oh okay and now it's gone already like this whole thing happened so fast i didn't even have time to like notice that it happened i all i saw was was news about how it got taken off the store and the company disappeared yeah nothing else

Starting point is 02:43:13 and like the stuff that i read was like that they were planning on giving everyone refunds even if they're above the two-hour thresholds and that they were like closing their company down so i was like okay this sounds like the story's very over but people keep the work i mean we're talking about it right now yeah so well that was it yeah cool um bancho after dark yeah no you can't say bye and then i'll have to end the show oh i meant bye to go luke i'm hitting the button luke is ending the show i meant bye to like the oh no oh no oh that's actually really difficult to fix what no i hit the button uh if i hit the button it's different that wasn't the merch message okay we'll see if the timing works i know i know but oh uh-oh it doesn't matter did i break something

Starting point is 02:43:55 does that button actually send the dashboard i don't think so it's uh did you make it do that i don't know if you see letters appear that'll be kind of interesting letters appear oh letters yeah the uh sponsors yeah oh okay yeah the sponsors just like might show up at some okay well that's cool they'll be the after dark sponsors yeah uh it looks okay i think i think it should have shown up by now dan yeah they will definitely come and go they'll come they will definitely come and go yeah if they're gonna come at all oh i see you know what i mean oh yeah okay because it's all an automated timing thing all right hit me dan all right let me sit down geez okay let's see uh what's a good way to

Starting point is 02:44:42 convince a loved one to let me set them up with a server to keep their over 500 000 photos instead of keeping them on their desk on top of 20-ish flash drives don't because now it'll be your responsibility when ultimately someone who has extremely poor data hygiene loses something they obviously aren't willing to put in the work and you can't save people from themselves and realistically in 100 years you'll both be dead and none of those pictures will matter so don't worry about it sorry little dose of land showo after really dark. Yeah. Jeez. Are the toques coming back

Starting point is 02:45:29 at some point? Dan's like, let's get out of this one. Oh, boy. I'm saving Luke from this. Thank you. Don't think about it.

Starting point is 02:45:48 The void. How about some toques it's cold in the void do you want your head to be warmer when you're in the void sorry why are we talking about toques is that a merch message yeah yeah it is actually a merch message there's toques on the store right now, aren't there? So then, yes, they're back immediately. Nice! What? Are they not? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:46:12 I don't know either. It's hard to type like this. Yeah, I'll figure it out. No, I got this. Okay. Are they clothing? Are they hats? Are they gear?

Starting point is 02:46:21 Is gear hats? One of these days. I don't think there's a category for them. Accessories? Is it a top? A accessories is it a top a beanie it's a beanie that's an accessory apparently that's a toque they say sold out notify me when available oh wow we oh we bonus bend away a lot of these um every single color oh okay i don't know uh linus uh you're gonna replug that hdmi cord i think oh well there's your problem right there yeah every single one notify me when available okay well uh i don't know because they this is an item that wasn't selling particularly well and we took an absolute bath on during black friday cyber monday to clear them out i i did talk to nick about how next time

Starting point is 02:47:03 around we might want to for things that are selling a little bit but slowly we might want to just not blow away every single unit but hold on to like a couple hundred so that we have stock for a little bit and people can still buy them if they feel like it uh but that's not how that went down we blew away every single one and so now they're gone and whether we bring them back in or not really depends um maybe on a color by color basis we'd look at the ones that were moving pretty well still but there was a lot of colors yeah i think that if we bring back toques maybe we'll kind of reinvigorate them a little bit somehow because i feel like they moved really well for a long time. And then I think, I don't know, maybe just all of you have toques now.

Starting point is 02:47:45 I'm not sure. That makes sense. Yeah. All right. Okay, let's swing the other way again. With the discussion of minors on the internet and explicit content on websites like Twitch and Twitter, how much of this would be mitigated if parents properly monitored what their kids watched online? Well, here's another question. properly monitored what their kids watched online.

Starting point is 02:48:04 Well, here's another question. How much of the trouble in the world would be mitigated if God was watching and did something about it? I guess what I'm trying to say is... What is happening? Human's gonna human. Just end after Dark Now. The cuffs have unlocked something.

Starting point is 02:48:26 He's become too powerful. What if nothing in the universe mattered? Be nice to each other. You think I'm restrained? I've never been more free. I just mean people are gonna people, right? And kids are just little people and there is no such thing as perfect parental supervision and if there was perfect parental supervision

Starting point is 02:48:50 i think that you would be potentially stunting your kids i mean one of our kids is probably too honest and so we've had to start having conversations that go hey um sometimes it is actually a very valuable life skill to be able to hold your cards a little bit closer to your chest and we're not telling you to lie cheat and steal what we're telling you is that um things take tact yeah sometimes just the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth is not the best way to handle a situation for everyone involved. And having a little bit of discretion can actually be valuable. I, yeah, I don't think that the right approach is to completely protect kids from anything that could be harmful to them necessarily. So I, yeah, I just, I don't know if I agree with the question. I, I, I also don't, I also don't disagree with the overall premise that parents should take some responsibility for what their

Starting point is 02:50:06 kids are exposed to and and part of taking responsibility is not necessarily you know putting up a perfect barrier that prevents anything bad from happening or any bad exposure but talking to them and dealing with it and you know that's the ideal situation in my mind is things happen and life happens and life's complicated and people are, people are messy, right? But you, you work through it and, and you deal with it. Are any more Lux items coming? Keep them coming. Would love a matching sling or duffel bag. I think we're going to see how the Lux backpack does. Uh, pre-sales are okay. duffel bag i think we're gonna see how the luxe backpack does uh pre-sales are okay and once it's actually in stock and shipping i do think sales will pick up uh if we hit a certain threshold then yeah i think you'll see more luxe items from us it's a really cool material this apple leather

Starting point is 02:50:56 i was blown away by how good it is but i think that this is one of those things where just because i say it doesn't mean you should believe everything i say, right? I've told you guys so many times in the past, you got to consider everyone's motivation, right? What's in it for them. Obviously what's in it for me is you buying a $600 backpack. So sure, you know, you could trust me, but verify. And I think the way to verify is to wait for those, those early orderers to give their independent opinions. And then if it's the kind of product you would consider go for it yeah and you know once we once we see some momentum there yeah i could see us developing more i think it's a great material but we need to see a willingness from the audience to to engage with our brand in that way it's a premium product it does cost us a lot more in

Starting point is 02:51:49 materials and workmanship to make than the regular bag that's why that's why the price is a lot higher but just because something costs more doesn't mean that people are willing to doesn't mean people have the perception of that brand that they should have the right to have a product that costs that much more. You know, maybe if they if you have $600 to spend on a backpack, you'd rather buy from like an established, you know, luxury brand or fashion brand or whatever else it is. And that's totally your prerogative, right? So we just need to see if, if that's something that we can build towards, if we can build these luxury goods, these very, very high end products. And it's going to be a bit of a journey. Or it'll be over.

Starting point is 02:52:28 You know, we're open-minded. That was pretty good. Small clap. I love it. The margin percentage is about the same to the person who asked. Can we please have an update on the screwdriver holster? I work in maintenance for over 80 apartments and 30 villas, and I carry the screwdriver with me every day.

Starting point is 02:52:50 Um, no. We got nothing right now. But we have pants. This is going to be really hard. My headphone goes through here, and I need to reach my backpack. I can... This is a lot harder to maneuver with than I anticipated.

Starting point is 02:53:19 Do you want me to take your headphones off for you? You'd think with all my practice I'd be able to... That tracks. Just handling different objects in those scenarios i mean when you're working something with both hands it doesn't matter that you can't separate them you know yeah oh my god i already had a screwdriver in my anyway the point is um our cargo pants they have a screwdriver are gonna have a screwdriver pocket oh it goes point down yes because otherwise the point will the one on this sample is too small uh we're still working on that but if you have it point up but the pocket's in the right place for it to be ergonomic then it'll stab you in the stomach if you have it point up, but the pocket's in the right place for it to be ergonomic,

Starting point is 02:54:06 then it'll stab you in the stomach if you have a bit of a gut. So we're aiming point down and so it'll be there and it'll kind of stick up and you'll pull it out like that. Anyway, it's in the larger cargo pocket for me right now

Starting point is 02:54:19 because this sample of the pants, it doesn't go in properly. Yeah, our cargo pants are gonna be awesome dear ldl what ltt product did you think would be great until the last minute where it turned out to be a horrible idea also can't wait for the shaft mine is stubby a horrible idea um horrible horrible is a big word yeah i curated this one i think you could interpret it as like didn't end up doing as well as you thought maybe not horrible oh um this is one that i was personally kind of opposed to but we did

Starting point is 02:55:08 anyway the uh the meme face desk pads were kind of a disaster uh they they didn't sell particularly well i think we gave away as many as we sold how did the sequin pillows do not very well yeah okay yeah we kind of we kind of pivoted away from meme products and into what we think we're really good at, which is serious products that are just really good. Your headphone cable's taking it off slowly, just so you know. There we go. Thanks. No problem.

Starting point is 02:55:37 Serious company. If they fall off, then you've become indecent, and we can't have that. That's what... Then the show ends. That's important. Luke is protecting. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:55:49 Sorry, I got distracted by Linus's... Sorry. Good morning, Dan, Linus, and Luke. Are there any things that you haven't done or made because you believed that your significant other disapproved of it, but they actually never said anything about it oh wow interesting uh yvonne and i are very open with each other we are like mind-meld at this point we've been together 18 years we've done absolutely everything together yeah we've been we've been together more than we've not been together in our lives uh including like infancy

Starting point is 02:56:25 so um to say that we barely even remember life without each other would be true um in both cases i um i watch movies and tv shows you know where, where the entire premise of the conflict of the story could have been resolved by just being honest with your spouse about that you lost your job or, you know, whatever. And I just kind of have a really hard time watching because even though I know that these are... Like yelling at the TV. Yeah. Yeah, just... Yeah. watching because even though i know that these are yelling at the tv yeah yeah just if you if you if you felt that way just say something because this could be resolved in like four minutes you know everyone has a good cry and then you resolve to do better going forward like i just i um

Starting point is 02:57:19 i can't i don't get it yeah Yeah. Yeah. Viscous Cree. This was the whole plot of Aladdin. A hundred percent. Like it's, it's real hard for me to watch. And the funny thing is we all grow up with these stories and we all see how problematic it is and we all do it. Um, and, and to, and to be honest with you, like outside of my relationship with Yvonne, yeah, I withhold things that probably cause problems and, and then it causes

Starting point is 02:57:46 problems like we're again humans we're messy right but with Yvonne no I actually can't say that I can think of a time that's happened maybe she could she's she's always better remembering things I've done wrong are you gonna ask her now yeah i was thinking okay

Starting point is 02:58:06 hey lady you're on the wan show oh hey what's up which means you're on speaker yeah i mean last person found that confusing and it's a live broadcast seemed pretty self-explanatory to me but okay yeah um question for you oh the merch message is gone um crap uh what is something that you didn't do uh that you would have been okay but can you think of something that i didn't do because i thought you wouldn't like it but then it turned out like you never said anything about it and you didn't care oh man um like a like a miscommunication or like a misunderstanding like somewhere i was like oh i i'm not gonna do that because like yvonne wouldn't like it but actually you didn't care and you never said anything about it oh well there was one the other day in the staff meeting where you said you chose family instead of cooperation and i was like oh i don't care about that

Starting point is 02:59:08 oh okay i mean i was i was also just like mostly joking with you about that but okay can you think of anything like bigger we did these hold on one sec we did these like personality assessment things with the executive team and we had to choose like three things we valued most and compared to cooperation i chose family which had a very similar description it was like valuing relationships something something something and um i basically was like yeah i picked family over that one because they're kind of synonymous but i figured you'd kill me if i didn't pick family i was mostly just joking with her um okay anything else um are you talking about like in our relationship or anything i mean it's wancho after dark there's nothing's off limits i guess man i'm in handcuffs right now fuzzy ones i said i'm in fuzzy handcuffs right now

Starting point is 03:00:08 and he's wearing pasties that's not an expression that's literal yeah i can't really hear luke and he's wearing pasties i don't think she knows what pasties are what are pasties it's okay don't worry about it you're a wonderful person i love you very much um no what i was gonna say was after this call i'm probably gonna think of all kinds of things but i can't think of anything right now all right cool perfect that works for me okay all right thanks love okay bye Okay. All right. Thanks, love. Okay. Bye. Okay, bye. Dude, I can tell with like 95% accuracy when Yvonne is not going to know a word

Starting point is 03:00:54 because almost anything related to that, I'm the one who explained it to her. So if I didn't explain it to her, she doesn't know about it. Oh, man. She's so wholesome. Oh, boy. her, she doesn't know about it. Oh, man. She's so wholesome. Oh, boy. Oh, sheesh.

Starting point is 03:01:10 Did you guess all of mine when we were doing that exercise? While I was picking them, I was like, I feel like I should throw in some curveball so that Linus doesn't just automatically guess everything I pick. I knew you were going to have something about determination, obviously. The only thing that I thought might throw you off is like about like every three things were the same as the third previous. Yeah, there were a lot of kind of synonymous things. When I say cooperation and family were the same, it's because like the description of them was kind of similar because this was in like a work context.

Starting point is 03:01:42 So family was like, like building each other up and cooperation was working together towards a common goal there's also like teamwork yeah exactly and like yeah there was only actually really like 10 selections yeah but there was like 50 so i knew you were gonna have something about just like getting her done yeah um i knew you were gonna have something about like loyalty yeah um i don't remember which version of that i chose but again there was like five of them and then the thing i already said which i forget what it was um whatever yeah so you basically yeah yeah of course yeah i mean like we we've been married almost as long as yvonne and I have. I'm pretty sure I guessed yours

Starting point is 03:02:26 and I even guessed how you would sassily present them, which was very satisfying. While I was sitting there listening, I was like, yeah. It's nice to see you guys can still keep it interesting in the business room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got one for Luke here. If, Linus, you want to have a look through some of the potentials,

Starting point is 03:02:49 it's up to you. Hey, DLL, this one is for Luke. Hold on, hold on. I have to read this out. Oh, no. Ariel, our co-op student, just posted in the float plane chat, yeah, I'm not going to bed angry has been a rule in

Starting point is 03:03:06 our relationship for at least four years and a few months ago my girlfriend asked me where i got it from had to tell her it was from linus which made us both laugh oh my god oh ariel you're a gem that's pretty good okay dan hit me uh this one's for luke you don't get hit you can read the potentials hey dlo this one's for luke with a company's aggressively copywriting code algorithms and numbers will teachers eventually be unable to teach certain concepts or problems due to copyright well sorry this is for you i'm sorry i don't i don't think they'll have a problem with it um go for it no no i want you to do it we can do it collaboratively i want you to do it i just went together i just know you're gonna have a different angle than me so you should just go

Starting point is 03:03:55 first and then it'll be fine because i can just say my my part uh i don't think a copyright is that big of a deal in schools um and i think schools should be focusing on teaching you know skills like we we didn't just become unable to teach math because of calculators that whole conversation so i think it'll be fine there are already teachers that are adapting he touched on it fair use um the the nature of the use matters a lot and you can get away with a lot if it's for the purposes of educating the second you throw education on there uh not only is it generally okay but also most companies are just okay with it at that yeah you just because remember there's a big difference between what's legally allowed and what a company is likely to pursue litigation for like technically

Starting point is 03:04:42 you could make the argument that particularly in a sponsored piece of content which is commercial content um us uh putting up a video okay let's say it was a sponsored piece of content on a great monitor or tv and we were to put up disney's encanto on the screen you could make the argument that that's not editorial which would be far more protected like educational use you could make the argument that it's not editorial, which would be far more protected, like educational use. You could make the argument that it's more commercial, because we are making this video for the purpose of educating about the display, sure, but through the lens of a manufacturer-sponsored piece of content. However, the context in which we're using the content is obviously positive about the why on earth did we have it on the screen? Because Disney's not the one who gave us any money.

Starting point is 03:05:33 It's the display manufacturer who did. And so the context of us having this content on the screen is that we think it's a great piece of content for showing off a great display and makes everything look beautiful. Why would Disney pursue a lawsuit against me for saying, wow, this movie is so great that it is the thing that makes sense for us to put on the most beautiful of displays that we are trying to make look as beautiful as possible? So, yeah, from a legal standpoint if they decided that they had a gigantic rod up their butt and

Starting point is 03:06:11 they wanted to go after us sure they might be able to do that it would be costly it would be an inordinate waste of time and at the end of the day all we were doing was presenting their content in a positive light and coming to one of the other pillars of fair use the impact on the market for the original work increasing the market for the original work by showing off the content like it's just it's silliness it's a bit of a gray area because of that whole impact and how you have to fair use as a defense and blah blah blah and all this stuff but just why? It's also going to look horrible

Starting point is 03:06:46 if some company goes after like a school and Nintendo doesn't care about that sort of thing but most do and there is a degree of common sense

Starting point is 03:06:55 in the law common sense would dictate that if in a non-negative way somebody is using your copyrighted content in a way that has

Starting point is 03:07:04 no impact on the enjoyment of the original paid work, it's probably better to just ignore it. So honestly, we have used copyrighted content to show off displays extensively in editorial content and sponsored content. And my attitude towards it has been i mean realistically what we just have a war chest if somebody ever decides

Starting point is 03:07:31 that they are stupid enough to go after us for it then we either fight it or we settle or we do whatever but at the end of the day what do people care about when they're buying a tv when they're buying a monitor they care about what their con what beautiful great content is going to look like on it and that's going to be whatever the latest games and movies are so that's what we're just going to put on them and we'll figure it out if this ever a problem hey lld linus after doing lmg for over years, what would your answer to Linus, who are you? What would your answer be? What would your answer be?

Starting point is 03:08:12 I mean, yeah, all I have to do is go to my Twitter profile. Here we go. Here we go. I'm a privateer, father of children, maker of YouTube videos, player of badminton, Canadian.

Starting point is 03:08:33 Yes, I play Forged Alliance forever. Husband in there, probably somewhere. Otherwise my wife will kill me. Yeah. Which I am joking about. Yeah, I don't know. That's a bit of a cop-out answer um oh you already you marked it you marked it resolved okay well apparently it's a good answer ticket closed i have metrics to maintain sir next tall shirts when tall shirts when i don't know it's all in capitals i'm archiving it answer the question i don't i don't know. It's all in capitals. I'm archiving it. Answer the question. I don't know.

Starting point is 03:09:08 Please. I want to prioritize. Okay, so here's the problem. Here's the problem. Every color, every size. I just want one. I just want a black shirt. Okay, I'll tell you what. Would you guys be happy if we started with black?

Starting point is 03:09:24 Yeah. That's all i wear and potato sack um my life like changed when i all right realized there was shirts that were made for okay that uncomplicates it a little bit dan can you message nick and i genuinely don't think oh okay hold on i don't actually want to squeaky wheel this if it's going to cause issues no no the audience is squeaky wheeling it let's pause here for a second because we're cool with this but i pretty much guarantee you you'll release some shirt that people really like and it won't have a tall option and then people will go nuclear it might literally not be worth it that's okay we'll start with black okay yeah message nick let's get, let's get the grading done, which is the,

Starting point is 03:10:06 what it's called when you do all the different sizes. And, uh, we'll, we'll start with something relatively. That's not a bad idea. If it's like very clear, this is the only one we're doing right now.

Starting point is 03:10:15 Cause then you might be able to get a good idea of the distribution. No, not really. You could, uh, you could write a small market. Yeah. Nick is already messaging me apparently. right hi nick i'm sorry nick uh maybe yeah i just got excited i'm so sorry nick

Starting point is 03:10:34 uh what else is a shirt that fits me man i know uh sure this one is yeah there he is uh hey lads if dan's birthday were ever to coincide with the wan show would you consider swapping linus or luke's role during the show with dan curious to see what chaos that would bring i wonder who curated this i didn't curate actually i did okay um i potentialed it no i left it in incoming because i wasn't sure i think the wan show is perfect the way it is i i i love dan and if you guys want to hang out with dan sometimes he's on the pre-show for pretty extended periods of time and we'll hang with luke and if you're on floatplane then you can check that out over there sorry one sec this is important cool

Starting point is 03:11:27 um but if anything if it was Dan's birthday and I wanted to do something special for him I might tell him how about you don't have to do my show today maybe that would be more special but then he'd realize it was a trick and I was just trying to get him to be the one to end the streak so I don't

Starting point is 03:11:43 really know how it would all go down maybe dan should just address this i uh everything linus said but i want to work on my birthday so so you do or you don't i do yeah all right it's a good birthday present i get to hang out with you guys yeah birthday present paycheck money hey dan happy birthday i got you money that's what i wanted yay i was extra late today so you got a bunch of overtime uh i haven't seen my family in months thanks i guess yeah thank you uh no it's it's it's fine yeah no it's fine uh let's see what else we got here um hey dan and the talent. This order will take my lifetime over $1,000.

Starting point is 03:12:29 Hey, thanks. Thanks, whale. Do you have data? I mean, Simon. Do you have data on which countries spend the most on merch? Any surprises? Any overrepresented demographics? Largest whale.

Starting point is 03:12:41 Thanks. Almost certainly USA. USA. I can check that Thanks. Almost certainly USA. USA. I can check that, though, I think. I don't really dig into the analytics on this too often, but give me a... Definitely USA. Yeah, give me a sec-y-boo here.

Starting point is 03:12:58 Luke, do you want to do the next one while I see if I can figure this out? I mean... Sure? Sure! Is there any? Yeah yeah uh here this one uh i work at a semiconductor fab and our facilities brought a uh sorry they bought a lot of screwdrivers to give out as apparently they're clean room approved which is sick really kind of surprising to me with the moving parts yeah exactly oh but the plastics because you could you can open it up and you can blow it down and stuff

Starting point is 03:13:31 but it would be it would be more down to the materials that they wouldn't shed and no it shouldn't um that's cool that's super cool is there any interest in touring another fab uh it's not as great as intel though it is a semiconductor fab though yeah that might be cool because they have lots of different types of it depends we're always looking for something new that we can show to our audience you'd have to show stuff that you'd have to show us something bigger yeah uh and and bigger doesn't necessarily mean more expensive bigger could mean you, get us up close and personal. Yeah. It would need to be something that isn't already freely out there.

Starting point is 03:14:09 Yeah. Basically. We have to bring something new. But, sick idea. Just good luck getting approval. L, L, and D. I recently replayed Vanquish and Binary Domain. Which one do you prefer?

Starting point is 03:14:26 I've never heard of either of them. I don't know what either of these things are. I also had never heard of them. Okay. Sorry. I'm so sorry. Vanquish game. Thanks for all you do.

Starting point is 03:14:37 I think I remember the Seddon Twins being mentioned before, and I wanted to know if any of you had any hockey stories, favorites, or hot takes besides superchecks did you seriously just pronounce them Sedin twins sorry the Sedin twins Sedin

Starting point is 03:14:56 it doesn't have the umlaut wow answer the question any hockey stories uh no i just really love watching hockey i never was good at it or really played it or anything um i was really into the sport back when um back when yvonne and i were like still living with her parents and stuff it wasn't until the lockout around that time that i kind of went okay yeah forget it i'm kind of tired of cheering for corporation a versus corporation b it just doesn't really make sense to me anymore um and to be clear i that doesn't mean that i'm that i don't get why people watch sports there's a thousand reasons to watch sports just the the humanness of it uh the storylines the the people honestly is the biggest conversation yeah the conversation just cultural participation just the love of the game i mean

Starting point is 03:15:55 man i it's mesmerizing to me it drives yvonne crazy if i'm if i'm at a if i'm at a restaurant like even though i don't follow it anymore i mean i know the canucks are having a great season i know you know who the major players are on the team like i follow it peripherally still and if the game's on i'm like glued to it but i just i just i just don't really have like time anymore and that combined with you know my feelings about you know the lockout and i there are things that i find uncomfortable about professional sports in general the way that the athletes are sort of treated like livestock. Um, on the one hand,

Starting point is 03:16:27 yeah, sure. They're compensated well, but on the other hand, sometimes they're not, um, you know, college sports.

Starting point is 03:16:34 Um, there's some, some college sports they're treated well now. Is that true? They weren't historically. Yes. Some of them. Okay.

Starting point is 03:16:43 Um, yeah, not all for a long time time it was like completely banned for them to make any money like basically at all from anything they couldn't take any sponsors they couldn't do yeah it was it was pretty intense um and now that's not a thing i think for football players i don't i don't know i don't know a lot about it. I just know some things have changed. Uh, I have a bunch of great hockey stories. I played pretty high level. I played provincial level. Like we, I played on BC's team for ball hockey for a few years. Um, and I have fun stories. My two favorite ones, they're both pretty short. Uh, one, my brother

Starting point is 03:17:22 came back from playing football, uh, in the States for a university in the States. And he came back and it was like a hockey game that happened like immediately when he came back. So he's still in football mode. And one of the kids crossed their feet right in front of them that was on the other team. That's just like a, I've talked to Linus about this before. That's like a you hit now indicator basically and rich just flattened up and then immediately got up didn't even wait for the ref just walked to the penalty box immediately it was just like yep like apparently like mid movement

Starting point is 03:17:58 he was like oops and just knew he screwed up and was like yeah i uh i'm ejecting myself um which was funny uh another one my brother was reffing one of my games and the other team was kind of understandably unhappy about this but it was what it was there was only so many refs my brother and i both reffed it was somewhat inevitable it would happen eventually in one direction or the other um and they were kind of chirping oh okay um they were complaining about it uh they were complaining about it for most of the game and then um i like hit someone someone was uh slashing my my shins a bunch and stuff and they're pissing me off then i hit them into the boards pretty hard and we were dog piling a little bit and my brother ran up to the dog pile and he this was this was prime football player richard richard's a big very strong guy all the time but this was like omega richard and

Starting point is 03:18:55 he walked up to me grabbed the back hockey arena i went flying it was like crazy and for the entire rest of the game the whole other team was like it's cool it's fine we don't mind that he's reffing this game seems like he'll be fair about things i was like yeah cool all right we're good um okay i am working on. I can't get a revenue number, but I have sessions converted, which I think is basically people reach checkout and buy something, right? So I can get an order number, like how many orders.

Starting point is 03:19:38 So now I just need to put in a date range. Is there like a lifetime? They don't let you do that because that would be really hard on the servers, I guess i'm just going to put in 2018 to present oh crap i clicked the wrong thing i can already tell you guys that it's going to be yeah a convert is a converted session to be clear is not just someone who like adds something to a cart or shows significant interest but it's someone who adds something to their cart proceeds to check out and actually does purchase the items yeah this is going to take a minute i just asked for five years of shopify data which for our store

Starting point is 03:20:15 is a non-trivial amount of transactions where they email it to you no this is that one no no it'll it'll do thing okay yeah give it a sec it's just it's it's a working on it okay all right uh united states is at about eight times canada which is about double the uk which is a little higher than germany which is a little higher than australia which is about double the netherlands which is about double norway which is about little higher than Germany, which is a little higher than Australia, which is about double the Netherlands, which is about double Norway, which is about the same as Sweden, which is about the same as Switzerland,

Starting point is 03:20:51 which is a little more than Denmark, which is about the same as Austria, which is about the same as France, which is a little more than Belgium, which is about the same as New Zealand and a little more than Israel. And then it kind of goes on from there and kind of trickles off. So yeah, the United States is over half of our sales, which I don't think would be a big surprise to anyone.

Starting point is 03:21:15 The United States is 40% of our viewership. So, and then, you know, the proximity, right? And the shipping challenges with shipping overseas, it makes sense that they'd be over represented for for customers that actually purchase something from us compared to just watch the videos i'm not shocked australia is so high um vickis australia they've like always been our bros i think it's ever since we moved when show or did we move when show because we knew we had australian viewers i can't remember which came first but there's a there's a huge tech community in australia considering how few people live there

Starting point is 03:21:50 and how few of them have internet apparently i can't i can't i mean your internet is it's but like i shouldn't tease i shouldn't tease that I shouldn't tease. That's it? Oh, you wanted the largest whale, though. Uh-huh. Hold on. I don't know if I can find that. Oh, this might be easier than I thought.

Starting point is 03:22:22 Add filter. Orders placed. Products purchased. Amount spent. Hello? Okay. add filter orders placed products purchased amount spent hello okay is greater than oh i can put a value uh what value should i put i have no idea i mean someone's probably bought a batch of stuff for their like company would that have been through shopify or would that have been through contacting i don't know dude do like holy shit okay so i put in over 2000 and i found buddy who's spent almost nine grand i was gonna say you should put it at nine grand actually i wonder if there's anyone over oh anyone over nine thousand yeah yes yeah yeah there's um there's i'm assuming these are because i've talked to people that are like oh yeah i like outfitted my whole shop of like many workers with screwdrivers or um my my company has a lot of people like going out on the road and doing things so i got everyone backpacks or whatever else so i think there's a lot of people going out on the road and doing things, so I got everyone backpacks or whatever else.

Starting point is 03:23:27 So I think there's a lot of corporate-level purchases that have gone through. Yeah, there's a handful of people around the about 10 grand range. That's very surprising to me. It's actually not crazy, just because of the corporate purchases that I've heard about. That's it. I think buying all for yourself, that doesn't really make any sense,

Starting point is 03:23:49 but if you gift a lot or if you're buying things for work, I mean, I've seen spikes in, um, in screwdrivers where like just one person buys a hundred in a day. So it's like, that's, that's a freaking lot of money,

Starting point is 03:24:03 right? Um, that's, you know know six grand seven grand on one purchase uh oh nick just sent me an image he goes i'm pretty sure the top person is reselling oh yeah there is some of that yeah that makes sense someone linked me to a yeah like scalper of i think it was stubby screwdrivers, it might not necessarily be scalping as much as it is reselling into regions where the first party option might not be available.

Starting point is 03:24:31 Oh. Because we don't, to my knowledge, do much in the way of volume discounts to anyone. So they're, they're not, and like the products are just available from our store. Does shipping scale? Uh, they would, they would get a deal on shipping i guess so if they lived somewhere where their shipping rates are way more reasonable to send out then maybe they could take advantage of that compared to our own pricing but yeah i saw a link i don't know if it was like or not a link i saw a picture which is why i'm

Starting point is 03:24:59 gonna say this part i don't know if it's like shopped or edited or not or whatever yeah um but it was a stubby that was selling for well over 200 that i saw that sales i think yeah i saw that i don't know i don't sure i guess no idea you know what i have an idea of that it's time to end the show we didn't make it we'll see you again next week i didn't want to make it i didn't want to get over midnight see you next week same bad bad time, same bad channel. Thanks for tuning in, guys. Bye. Bye.

Starting point is 03:25:28 There, I did it properly. You happy now? I'm very happy. I'm a happy person. I can't believe we kept these things on all show. I thought for sure someone would stop me. Nobody messaged. I guess people have other things to do on Friday night.

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