The WAN Show - BENT iPad Pros... :( - The WAN Show Dec 21 2018

Episode Date: December 24, 2018

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We're live, right? That's why we should tell everyone. Good. Then that's not going to be a problem. Yeah. Because we're telling everyone on this show. Later. What are we telling?

Yeah, later. Later. It's WAN show time. Yeah. Actually, it was WAN show time half an hour ago, but I was doing something really important. Very important. Are you going to show them? No, I can't.

Oh. No, I know. It's like, it's a whole thing. whole thing oh like it's a thing okay yeah so that's fair because it's a thing I can't show them the thing because that's like a that's kind of the point it's kind of the thing okay yeah yeah so I really oh man I really wish I could show you because I'm so excited I I've never been this excited about, maybe not never, but I haven't been this excited

about a package of technology arriving probably this year. What about, okay, okay, okay. Because I don't think that was this year. But the last time you did something somewhat similar, it was like a bunch of packages. That was pretty cool too. That was equally cool, equally cool.

All right. So guys, we've got a great show for you today. Here we're live on YouTube, Twitch, and Flowplane.com. We've got actually a bunch of Flowplane updates for you. We've got some Linus Tech Tips updates for you. We have a new merch store. Hey. It has higher quality shirts and also some designs that are like,

is that even Linus Tech Tips? I don't know. It just kind of looks cool. Who knows? You actually can't make out the only thing about it that is ltd yeah which is the l t t that's kind of traced in the constellations in the sky above the mountain thing don't worry still it's all good um so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today. There's a rumor circulating that NVIDIA will be launching the GTX 11 series. I think you're going to need more like tech wiki, what the heck is going on episodes.

Because like, wow, this is great. Yeah, this is going to get pretty confusing. And speaking of equally awesome. iPad Pros are apparently shipping bent, which Apple does not consider to be a defect. Nope, by design. More on this at 11. Get it?

More on this. I've made that joke before. It's just been a while. Fortnite is being sued for the Carlton dance by Carlton, I guess. Like Carlton the hotels no what's like ritz carlton fresh prince you don't know oh that carlton yeah wait what his like dance is in fortnite i don't know what his dance is so i can't do it what yeah okay well i haven't i'm not i'm not talking more about that later and the boring company

tunnel demo is apparently disappointing so you're such a fan boy you're gonna find a way to not be disappointed about it but we can do that later no it's actually pretty disappointing I believe so. I believe so. do it this way. Maybe I'm totally off my rocker here. It's just a pain. How was your week? Actually really good. Guess what got enabled? I haven't seen anyone complaining about it yet.

I have seen someone in the chat said stream looks great from Spain. So that's good, which would make sense because we have a server somewhat near there. The cool thing that was enabled this week that wasn't enabled last week. On floatplane. near there the cool thing that was enabled this week that wasn't enabled last week on float plane on float plane is that we now have uh sort of load balancing for live streams which is cool it's like duct tape yeah and like popsicle sticks like it's not like super intelligent load balancing but there's a little bit of load balancing and last week we were on one box and just about lit it on fire. Yes. And now we're on like all of the edges that normally serve normal video content from Flowplane. You should probably explain for the uninitiated what an edge is.

So an edge server. So you have like your main. It's a browser. It's got this great engine designed by Microsoft. Not anymore. Just kidding. I know, right? That's pretty weird.

more just kidding um i know right that's pretty weird um but so so edge servers are like there's the the the main servers that like store all your data and like receive videos and transcode videos and do all that kind of stuff the edge servers are generally closer to people that's why they're called edge servers on the edge um and they are the ones that actually serve the video to you so now the live streams are actually going to those boxes instead of just being delivered from one does it look a little better looks really good actually yeah I'm a little out of focus because I'm leaning forward to look at my laptop but when I'm sitting here normally like here I'm just gonna turn my brightness up a little bit so you can yeah but it looks pretty good right now we don't have manual selectors for quality so yeah sorry about that that

will be coming at some point i don't have like a very specific and even if he did he probably wouldn't deliver it at that time nope get wrecked software development yeah it's been two years who even knows still an alpha speaking of been two years, we have two-factor now. Yay! Actually, there's a lot of stuff happening over the next probably four to six weeks, and some of it even sooner. So for accounting reasons, Floatplane through the forum is going to be going away in 10 days. going away, like in 10 days. So our fiscal year end is December 31st for both Linus Media Group and Floatplane Media.

Yeah, we synced that up. We synced that up. There was a rationale behind it. I forget why, but whatever, we did it. Not our department. Yeah, it doesn't matter. But anyway, they both have their fiscal year ends. And up until now now the accounting between

the two companies has been sort of complicated because um the money comes into the linus tech tips forum which is owned by linus media group then it has to be passed through to floatplane media which is its own ownership structure then then Floatplane Media has to take its cut from the user subscription fee and then give the money back to Linus Media Group Inc. And then also the calculations for any taxes and deductions for processing fees, like payment processing fees, has to be done somewhere in there. And it has been, quite frankly, untenable. We just cannot continue to do this.

So the reality of it is we're going to have to do it at some point. We're going to find a way. Well, not just not we're going to find a way. We have a way that we're pitching to everyone who's subscribed through the forum that we're going to be able to make it more palatable with. And I forget exactly what the plan is. but okay so there's a few plans one of them is if you are subscribed on the new website on january 31st it's going to be like a one-time flip over make sure you're done before january 31st i don't know when on january 31st it's going to happen but like it's happening on that day we're not giving warning so just sign up now yeah better strat

us bitwit tech deals whoever it is you want to be subscribed to yeah every single person actively subscribed to that time doesn't matter if you were still in the forum doesn't matter if you're already on the new site etc you just have to be subscribed on the new site flowplane.com before january 31st and if you are have an active subscription at that time we are giving you two free months for everybody you're subscribed to and kyle uh jason if you guys are watching uh chill uh we're gonna top you up for anyone that we gave free months to you will be it's all good handled yeah um also if you are subscribed at that time you'll be getting an exclusive one-time only accessible emoji in the chat that you can use across all chats.

We're not even sure what it is yet, but that will become a thing. Yeah, we'll make it. By January 31st. And it might even be cool. I think Ed's going to do it. Is that right? I haven't asked him yet. Oh.

But maybe. Yeah, I don't know. I guess Lloyd also exists. Sure. We'll talk to someone. Yeah, we'll figure it out. And then eventually, I don't have i guess lloyd also exists sure we'll talk to someone yeah we'll figure it out um and then uh eventually i don't have a specific date for this probably before january 31st but we're cutting off your access before then so um the linus tech tips.com website will have embedded player from floatplane.com you'll just only be able to see it if you're subscribed through

floatplane.com so we're getting rid of subscriptions on the forum They're gonna be gone, but you can still have your discussion about the video on the forum if that tickles your pickle Yes, but like the the ability to have that video playing there. I don't entirely know when that will be ready But yeah We're we're switching the main source because all the payments really need to go through floatplane.com. They have to go through floatplane.com. It's an absolute nightmare the way that it is now.

It's just not sustainable. It's a problem. And we are getting to the point where we're close enough to launching some other really key features that it's really, really important to get this clean now because we could be adding more creators sooner rather than later, especially in light of some of the news that has come out around, you know, other self-funding platforms and stuff like that. There's a fair

bit of controversy at the moment. So we are kind of looking at that going, well, if only, gosh, at the moment. So we are kind of looking at that going, well, if only, gosh darn it, if only there was some alternative from, you know, someone else that, you know, if only that were a thing. If only someone who's been working on it for a while and it's like finally kind of coming together.

Yeah, if only, if only. Darn. It's a shame, isn't it? Yeah. That such a thing, just if only. Just, yeah. It's a shame, isn't it? Yeah. That such a thing, just if only.

Just, yeah. Also, some other pretty cool floatplane news. The final episode of Secret Shopper is live on floatplane. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm really excited. So if you guys want to go check it out, that's floatplane.com. Just go sign up and then you can always like cancel after a month if that was the only video that you wanted to watch or whatever but yeah it's it's it's it's awesome basically it's it's a so far the

feedback on it is really good not everyone agrees with our conclusion though and I would be really really interested to see what you guys think also I should be careful with the word final because we've had a lot of requests from our floatplane members already that for a fifth episode where we reach out to every one of the companies and either invite a representative on

to come and say their piece or like read out their letters. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Like full transparency, telling them who we are, seeking comment. Now that you have seen all these videos, you've heard feedback from customers,

because I've seen people tweeting different companies and stuff, it's gotten a little real. What do you wanna say? You can add your voice. I love that, that's awesome. So that may happen, because I've been reached out to personally by the ceo of at least one of the companies with comments uh i've been also reached

out to personally um by pr managers for some of these companies um i i will say this janice got a personal apology from i buy power um they actually get this they subscribed to floatplane so they could be keeping an eye on this a week early before that's awesome respect by the way to every single one of them for doing absolutely nothing to damage the editorial process for us so whether they had the best value as a gaming rig or whether they had a poor a poor showing in pre-sales or customer support or packaging or whatever else every single one of them not only didn't you know threaten us or or behave in such a manner because technically, you know, it would be tough because we're Canadian and they're all American. So technically they could have at least sent a

threatening letter about us recording the calls without telling them or whatever the case may be. Not only did nobody behave in that manner, which I didn't think they would. I mean, that's making a bad pr situation a lot worse you go and like sue linus tech tips because they showed that your customer support sucks i don't think they would lose anyways like that's a bad bad move i'm pretty sure all of canada's single party consent but not only that but every single one of them that reached out to us said, hey, we have a comment or whatever, but we completely respect the work you guys are doing

and we're not going to interfere. Let us know if you want to chat when it's over. That's cool. I really, I am in strong support of that final episode. So I think that would be really cool. Someone on the flowplane chat said wow quality so much better on flowplane yes i think that's not gonna be necessarily true for everyone but we're trying yeah um uh honestly there was there was another

comment there's been a few different comments talking about i'm supposed to look at somebody's name who starts with dark and i lost it but i had already read it so it's okay he was asking for Oh dark force there it is dark full dark for says tutorial for moving LTD forum membership to floatplane would be awesome it's pretty easy if you want a tutorial I don't remember the exact menu titles but it's some it's just go to your like go to the store online so tips calm go to your settings or subscriptions or whatever click the cancel button go to the store online, startups.com, go to your settings or subscriptions or whatever. Click the cancel button, go to fullplane.com,

subscribe. And you can also cancel within your PayPal dashboard. Also that. That's a foolproof way to do it. It's not the same as like, um, issuing a, uh,

like a charge back through PayPal. Like we don't get penalized or anything like that. It's not quite as clean. So if you're doing it to a site that's like running actively, not as cool necessarily, through PayPal? Like we don't get penalized or anything like that? It's not quite as clean. So if you're doing it to a site that's like running actively, not as cool necessarily, but we're nuking all of the line of sective side anyway. So we don't care. Just stop the billing agreement somehow. Doesn't really matter. But yeah, if you're doing that to a site that's actively running, they're not necessarily going to know why the billing agreement stopped.

Oh, so PayPal's API doesn't... Because they're probably using Braintree, and PayPal and Braintree don't properly communicate about everything. Aren't they owned by the same... Yup, it's terrible. So depending on how the implementation works, it might not necessarily notice why.

So it might think that it failed for a bad reason. And then try again? It might... Well, it won't try again because the billing agreement's canceled. Sure. But it might like automatically reach out to you and be like, hey, billing failed

and we don't really know why. Beautiful. Perfect. Makes sense. Yeah. Oh, people are asking about yearly subscriptions. We'll take care of you. Send me a message

or send floatplanehelp at gmail.com a message. You will be handled. You will get your free two months, all that kind of stuff. Can we get a new alias for uh help yeah like just support at floatplane.com or something yeah okay is is there like any reason that couldn't be done like right away uh other than just the cost of another of another inbox or somewhat is it like hard-coded into things no it's not actually we don't have a GApps account for AtFloatPlane. We don't?

No, because it's AtFloatPlane Media. I thought we got one. Not a GApps account. Really? So currently we're paying nothing for it. Oh, I see. Okay. And an individual GApps account.

Okay, all right, all right. You should make a group for it and have individual people as the g apps accounts but there's no one to put that on sure so i just haven't really okay we'll do it though yeah well we'll get on that it won't be because like honestly when when people reach out to linus media group like they're like yeah we are a very professional amazon seller with you know many great products we'd like to We'd like to sponsor your channel or whatever. And it's sent from Gmail? Delete.

Yeah, we'll fix that. Literally every time. Oh, I also want to have just like a support page. Yes. That you can contact. That would be good. So it won't even matter. We should have that.

That's actually pretty much done. It's just not in yet. It'll be in soon. Talk about 2FA being added. Yeah's actually pretty much done. It's just not in yet. It'll be in soon. Floatplane supported. Talk about 2FA being added. Yeah, 2FA is added. When you log in floatplane.com, click on the little widget in the corner,

go to your settings, go to security, and then- We're legitimately actually making progress now. Yeah. Well, not what we were before, but like you can see it now. We're doing a lot of backend stuff before, which is less fun for other people. G Suite, whatever, man. He knew what I meant.

Okay. So let's go ahead and jump into an actual news topic. Yeah. Well, I mean, this is actual news. It's just news about us and also, like, what? What? No, no problem um it was mentioned at one point in time that line subscriptions were going to cost more is that happening now or is that happening when we leave

beta i don't know yeah i have no idea what a tremendous wonderful question question. So right now, we've actually given very little thought to a cohesive floatplane subscriptions slash YouTube memberships slash whatever other sort of direct support plans there are. To be clear, just so everyone knows, with this whole plan that was already in place, if you were already subscribed your subscription was not being bumped you were being grandfathered in at whatever you were at already um we were just going to increase the cost for new users uh but we don't know if we're gonna do that or not um so so yeah we don't have a cohesive strategy. Right now, over on YouTube, it's five bucks. Okay. On floatplane, it's three. On YouTube, you don't get early access. On floatplane, you do. So this pricing structure

really doesn't make a ton of sense. Yeah. YouTube has features that we simply won't be able to deliver on floatplane at this time, like stories like stories. So there's that, I guess, but that has nothing to do with memberships because right now there's no way to do a members-specific story. And then they're both going to get live streams from now on. Actually, it was just a total brain fart that the oil PC build stream earlier today didn't go on Floatplane, and we'll deal with that next time.

And then Floatplane also has sort of other things that are going to be coming later, but that won't be over there. So we just really don't know what to do right now. There. I said it. Some people are pointing out that the forum is at $2.99,

and Floatplane, it is $3.00. Really? So we got rid of the penny in Canada. Yeah. If you guys want to catch up. $2.99 is actually $3. I mean, okay. No, you know what? No, I'm not conceding on this one i was gonna say okay that is 10 cents in a year 12 but like

i think it's fine okay i think we're fine oh why don't we talk about the carlton dance what the hell is a carlton dance i don't know okay because like I didn't really I wasn't like I know it's a thing I think you like swing your arms back and forth and like do something, but I don't really know. Okay, here we go Here we go. Oh man. What is this? Okay, this video is restricted from playing in your current geographic region Wow, well, you know what? I think we can kind of get the point. Yeah, I think you like throw your hips out and like flail your arms up and then snap and then the other way. So the article here is blah, blah, blah.

The Carlton dance was a trademark of Ribeiro's iconic character. And he's now claiming that the fresh emote in Fortnite is an exact replica of his well-known moves. Has Alfonso Ribeiro checked the year lately? Does that matter? Are those moves that well-known anymore? The emote's called fresh.

I think people are pretty aware. I think the developers were aware of what they were doing. But I think in the context of anyone under 25, it's a Fortnite dance. Yeah. Yeah. Also. I still don't think that gives you grounds to take it. At what point does John Travolta be like, you can't do this?

I mean, I would make the argument that that uh saturday night fever that movie cover yeah is far more iconic than anything alfonso ribeiro has ever done to go i in the end i agree with you but to go against oh i'm playing devil's advocate right now okay i'm just having some fun so go ahead say whatever you want i was gonna say it doesn't matter that something's more iconic you still defend your trademark like like like yeah apple's the kind of a bigger deal or youtube or or patreon or apple or microsoft they're all kind of a bigger deal than floatplane and line smear group but we would defend our trademark to a certain degree we'll do our best like if someone put like LTT edition on like some hardware in a computer, we'd be like, hey, dog.

You actually can't do that. What are you doing? That's not okay. But this dance. Dance moves are traditionally very hard to protect this way. Yeah. Like as far as I've heard heard you can protect the specific choreography but you can't actually protect like performing the dance and then that gets weird because it's

like in a game another thing i was actually really confused about is what actually gives him the right to sue that is something that i was kind of gonna bring up as well his character it's not him it's his character um i mean that's that's another like i could never this isn't really relevant anymore yeah but i could never sit it's not the same thing it's a name whatever ignore that part i could never see someone over the use of slick as a thingy no because that was or like uh that was not me that did that. But then here's the thing. Catch phrases have been successfully trademarked.

Like the let's get ready to I'm not going to say it. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But wasn't that because he was an independent actor? Yes. He was on a show. There was producers. There was executive producers. There's people that owned the trademark of Fresh Friends.

Yes, there's copyright holders involved in this process that are not him. He was paid to be on the show. I don't think he owned. He might, I could be wrong, but let's assume he isn't. So here's just a bit more of a summary here. So he's filed suit against Epic Games, claiming he's in the process of copywriting the dance. So to be clear, he hasn't already copyrighted it. It's widely, and this is a quote, it is widely recognized that Mr. Ribeiro's likeness and intellectual property have been misappropriated by Epic Games

and the most popular video game currently in the world, Fortnite. There's also plenty of games that have this dance, just to be clear. Epic has earned record profits off of downloadable content in the game including emotes like fresh okay so they're selling it which i guess is a bit more of a gray area yeah um yet epic has failed to compensate or even ask permission from mr ribeiro for the use of his likeness and iconic intellectual property someone said he improvised the dance that's why he's claiming it if you improvise something on a show you are paid to act on, that does not at all mean you just get it. Guess who owns a catchphrase that Luke says on the WAN show? That's just how it works.

Yeah. He has a contract that says that. Yeah. In fact... That's like the whole point. If Luke invents something at float plane media incorporated, um, now that's like,

okay, that's a little bit more complicated, but, but the, the entity that will own his invention will be float plane media incorporated. It's in his contract and I'm, it's probably in his contract with that said,

it was the eighties. Maybe it was a wilder time. contract, and I'm, it's probably in his contract. With that said, it was the 80s, maybe it was a wilder time. But I find it very, very hard to believe. Now, earlier this month, rapper 2Millie launched nearly identical legal action against the game, claiming the Swipe It emote rips off the Millie Rock dance he invented. And they have also filed suits against 2K Games for featuring their dance moves as player emotes in that franchise too. So where exactly is the line here?

It's sort of my feedback on this. I don't know. Because the argument's being made that they're using his likeness. But I would make the counter argument that a Fortnite character's likeness is really not very close to a real person. These are very cartoony. And as far as I can tell, who the heck was it that tried to, was it Lindsay Lohan or something that tried to claim that? GTA?

Yeah. Yeah, she lost. Yeah, she lost yeah she lost and in a hilarious way the judge was like that's just like an average like whatever it's skimpily clad female doesn't matter yeah so i think that that arguing that this likeness is that arguing the likeness is tough. Arguing the dance move. Oh, man. Again, I think that's really hard. And like to say that putting your hip in one direction and swinging your arms in the other. Yeah.

Is like the most unique thing. I think that's pretty much the whole dance. Like, I don't know. Like if we do it, does he come after us? I don't know. And like he probably got that from somewhere or maybe not or maybe people do invent dance moves like not every dance move has been done yet um man you know i think he said in interviews that he stole it some random person in chat said i don't know but like the thing is with stuff like dance and music you have inspirations yes music has samples it's like a part of making music ice ice baby

like it happens and a hilarious thing about that particular one is I actually didn't know that that was just a sample. Really? Yeah. I actually didn't know. Because who is it? Oh, man. What? Give me a category.

Under Pressure. Whose song is that? You wouldn't know. Queen? Yeah. song is that you wouldn't know queen uh yeah thank you yeah you wouldn't know well you you don't know music yeah but like i don't know your crap music i know queen you don't know you don't know shows you don't know music you don't know movies oh i don't know shows and i don't know movies okay right this is another thing i was gonna bring up so another really complicated aspect of copyright law that i have to admit that i don't know shows and i don't know movies okay right this is another thing i was going to bring up so another really complicated aspect of copyright law that i have to admit that i don't fully understand i wish john was still working out of this office he was even here like last week

yeah um is how exactly it works where the line is between what aspects of a character the actor owns versus the copyright holder so like like when Ryan Reynolds, you know, shows up on late night TV as Deadpool, that's a live appearance. What is in his contract with respect to how much in character he has to be? Or how much Ryan Reynolds he is in that moment? Where is the line here?

Yeah. Who invented a particular characteristic? Because a really famous example of an actor taking a role and transforming it in a way that was not even really agreed to, at least initially, by the producers and the director, was Samuel L. Jackson's character in Kingsman. So he sort of, in interviews, has talked about how the rest of the management on the movie was kind of like, so you want to have a lisp? and he kind of he kind of pushed for it because he really believed that that was an important part of creating this iconic villain he did an amazing job oh yeah he was just like both the Kings of movies are amazing one of my favorite movie villains of all time in that movie he just did such a great job of crazy maniac but in in a totally offbeat kitschy kind of way that just weren't just did such a great job of crazy maniac.

But in a totally offbeat, kitschy kind of way that just worked perfectly with the movie. Anyway, those mannerisms of the character, Samuel L. Jackson came in and invented. So if Fortnite were to do an emote that kind of mimics his body movements during an iconic scene in that movie and mouths his line, but doesn't say it, doesn't take the actual audio, who owns that? Is that Samuel L. Jackson's property?

Is that, I don't know, Universal, whoever owns the Kingsman intellectual property? whoever owns the Kingsman intellectual property. I think this is going to be a tough one to win because this opens up floodgates on really almost any kind of artistic imitation. So, you know, I felt like I didn't really have a position until I went off for a little while there. And now I actually feel like I'm ready to take a position on this one.

I think he's off his rocker. I think he's probably out of money and this is a desperation move. Yeah. I mean, maybe not out of money. Maybe he actually has lots of money. Maybe he invested well and... Wow, just subbed on floatplane.

Holy S word, the quality difference. Much appreciation as a dev myself heck yeah thank you very much yeah i agree it's weird i also who knows we don't know law very much at all no we don't and then also it's american not a lawyer so also that also that oh geez don't know what's happening uh but i think if it's work done on a project you know am i allowed to say oh geez oh gee or geez. Or is that Rick and Morty now? Like, is that a catchphrase? Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's a bit of a different thing because spoken word versus dance. But then that's also hard. Like, it's a very weird section. But I also don't. By that logic, how could you copyright Let's Get Ready to Rumble then?

Let's Get Ready to Rumble. No, don't do it. Because that's actually bad, right? Like he charges you for that, right? He will go after you. Crazy. Like full, full, full demode. Okay, just going for it.

But wouldn't that also have like the way that you say it attached to it? Probably, maybe. I don't know also have like the way that you say it attached to it? Probably, maybe. I don't know. Oh, geez, Linus. Oh, geez. I don't think you were supposed to drop that. Oh, geez. You know?

Like, yeah, I don't know, man. All right. Again, we don't know this stuff. I don't know. I don't think he personally has the ability to do this. I think the copyright holders of Carlton and Fresh Prince would be the ones that would have to do this. We'll have holders of carlton and fresh prints would be the ones that would have to do this we'll have to see what happens with that uh boring company demo is boring uh this was originally posted on the forum by kunirdum and the original article was from gizmodo

and this is this is pretty um this is pretty disappointing Like riding on a dirt road. First reviews of Elon Musk's underground tunnel are disappointing. Apparently they had trouble getting a paving machine down there for some reason. So it left the surface really bumpy. So it was like driving on a dirt road. Apparently one passenger got sick the vehicle only accelerated to 80 kilometers an hour so that's what like 50 miles 40 40 something high it's not it's not great yeah it's not fast not great oh yeah on wednesday musk tweeted next

step for boring company loop is demonstrating high throughput at high speed target is 4 000 vehicles per hour at 55 miles per hour also known as 250 kilometers per hour probably you need to repay what what sorry what 250 kilometers an hour yeah oh at 155 miles per hour so i thought you said 55 no yeah okay so uh that is apparently the next goal uh okay that's a big that is a pretty big bump they will definitely have to repave um and also a big note here is that they were using like model x's as vehicles in all the demos they've shown like big buses and like just other types of vehicles um apparently they're saying the bumpers that they have on the inside could be attached to essentially any autonomous electric vehicle not just a tesla sure so that's interesting so they're

not like married to their other company which makes sense um but yeah i don't know i'm not surprised it was kind of disappointing i think they probably shouldn't have demoed it yet or they should have demoed it um with the right expectations if this is the state they were at they must have known they didn't make it go 250 kilometers an hour they must have known they were only going to go 80 and it was going to feel very much like driving at 80 on a road they tried it yeah like i don't know i think maybe they could have uh could have communicated that a little bit better or just not done a test yet yeah setting expectations is sort of key yeah so i think that's probably where they missed the mark here what is a t pose you just oh oh we gotta be yeah but you're supposed to be standing hence the t part oh someone wants me to

t pose for five seconds but you're supposed to yeah you have to stand i mean that's just frame that's just not going to work very well. Oh. Yeah, that's going to be a problem. Yeah, so you can't see the other... You know what? There you go, Niguard. It was worth a shot.

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Do you ever listen? Sometimes. I'm actually curious. I very selectively tune in. When we're on the show, are you listening to my half? Yes, yes, yes. Because sometimes I tune out of yours. I don't blame you.

That's a little rude, but that's okay. That's hilarious. Okay, so let's talk about NVID Nvidia's new GTX 1100 series. I couldn't figure out why they skipped a bunch of numbers. Now I get it. Do you? Do I get it now? Yeah. Yeah.

Why? So here's what they're doing. Okay. Nvidia, I mean, they're not stupid. You think they're stupid? I mean, collectively're not stupid. Hmm. Do you think they're stupid? I mean collectively no So I don't think Nvidia is stupid and so when I was when I was looking at it going like Okay, so we got this RTX thing clearly the hardware you're shipping now

Especially anything that isn't the top of the line, is not powerful enough to do anything other than these first gen, and I'm going to call them experiences, because obviously this is going to get better over time. Like five, ten years from now, real-time ray tracing in this manner or another one could be an absolutely fundamental aspect of game design. Who knows? But right now these are

experiences. So anything other than their highest N1 is not going to run anything other than these first-gen experiences at anything resembling a playable frame rate. Period. It's not gonna happen. So like a game that comes out in 2020 with RTX is not going to run the RTX-ness well on a current gen card. In 2020. 2020, 2021.

Actually 2020 is pretty close. Okay, let's say 2021. Because like it could be three years before they release a follow-up. I don't know. The rate things are going. So. That's kind of true actually's so there's actual dedicated silicon in the chip for RTX yeah but they know that this feature doesn't add value for a lot of their

customers so I was looking at it going okay they went straight from 10 to 20 they've got this feature that costs them real money actually cost some money that they actually have to charge you for I mean they don't have to but they're not a charity so actually costs you money and for a lot of people doesn't deliver tangible value especially as you come down from the upper tier of cards into the lower ones so this this makes sense now. Rumors are circulating that Nvidia is set to launch, as was posted by Robin M on the forum, a GeForce RTX 2060 and a GTX 1160 in mid-January. Some say it will actually be an 1160 Ti. So these new cards would be Turing GPUs but different

variants. So there will be a TU106, that's the 2060, and a TU116 and that is the GTX. So that's with all the RTX features cut out. So it would have the Turing shaders instead of ray tracing which will remain exclusive to RTX models. There's rumored to be no RTX 2050, which would mean that these mid-range and entry-level parts would be GeForce 11 only. So I would fully, okay, no, what do you think? So will they go as far as then? So will they keep them segmented? If you want, if you're a high-end gamer, whatever, you pay for RTX, you want that ray tracing stuff in your Battlefield 5 and other games theoretically at some point. And then if you're a low-end gamer well honestly the hardware wasn't

going to run it anyway so get rekt you can just not run rtx yeah or do you think that they will actually offer a value performance gtx option like an 1180 or something like that i don't think they're going to and i really wish they did this whole thing differently both i will say both okay i would like to hear both of these stories so i don't think they're gonna go back up necessarily no i'm just kidding i am listening wow it was a sponsor spot i was dealing with floor plane problem um so i don't i don't think they're gonna go back up for one because i i do think they want to keep their high-end prices sorry i'm listening i do think they want to keep their high-end prices. Sorry, I'm listening. I do think they want to keep their high-end prices as like one kind of product.

They want to have their one premier product. They don't want to have like, oh, you don't like ray tracing, which we want to focus on, but you want a maximum experience. So we can have like RTX and like GTX and like, I don't know, LTX, like light, light TX or something.

Oh no, I wasn't even saying that. Oh, right. Oh, don't let me forget we have big ltx news okay go ahead no i'm on it um i think what they should have done is kept the 2000 whatever because people don't like number variants that gets people really confused sure and that's okay i think they just as you get on the stack should have switched to gtx oh okay interesting but then what if they were like ttx what if they wanted to have uh like like 1160 and 2060 like where they're both a 60 variant but just with and without a feature. Because suffixes used to be a thing. Like, what about a suffix? Or that, yeah. Like, I hate that it's RTX now.

I've screwed that up a handful of times already. But you could have a GTX 2060. And you could have a RTX 2060. You could have two 2060s and just have GTX RTX. See, I hate the suffix. Or I hate the prefix. I'd rather have a suffix, personally. Okay, but we both agree no number change.

Yes. I would have preferred if it was just all 11 series. I'm fine with a suffix. I don't actually care which one. I'm down with a suffix. I just don't want... I don't like the number change. The cynic in me feels like this was a meeting

where they sat around thinking, how do we make this sound like a huge quantum leap forward? I know. Let's go up by... Let's ramp the first number up. 10,000 rather than 1,000. Or excuse me, 1,000 rather than 100. Yeah.

Like, honestly, that's what it sounds like to me. Yeah. Great, great... That's silly. Great post on the floatplane chat reati says i can almost count luke's beard hairs so you got a trim did you not yeah yeah how was that for you okay so if you if you guys didn't notice my hair was my hair and beard were a little ridiculous because you still kind of look ragged i know which is the whole problem um so did you go to like the like place next to the

pho restaurant okay so there's a place i'm going to get my haircut for actually years yeah and we don't understand each other at all i i started i went and i showed them a picture of captain america in captain america winter soldier and i was like that and then they just did it uh and it was great and it always looked great and then every time it would be a new lady i would just show her the same i would google the same picture and just show her the same picture again it was always like slightly different but it was more or less great uh and then i i grew it out for a really long time so i wanted it to be slightly longer and i wanted to have a slightly longer beard uh when i went to this really fancy bougie kind of place and spent way more money than i was comfortable with and got like

a beard trim and a nice haircut and the whole time i was sitting there i was like i don't think this is gonna be better at all and then i left and like got home and kind of looked at it closely and was like i kind of look the same just like ever so minorly cleaned up. So I'm probably going back to the ladies that I can't understand. So my hair looks like crap, but it cost me like $11. See, that's what my old haircut used to cost. So I'm going back there. Yeah.

Actually, mine was particularly bad the last one. So guys, if you look, so I just got my haircut, I think last weekend or something like that or Monday or something. Whatever, it doesn't matter. The point is, if you look at some of the most recent live stuff in particular, you'll probably be able to tell that this side was like noticeably longer, like almost twice as long as this side up around the top. And then I got the same hairdresser at the Great Clips when I went in just recently and

she did the same thing. So I had to, I hate to be that guy. I really hate it too but i was like she was like yeah so she pulls out the mirror i'm like hold on a minute with the mirror there for a sec can we can we uh and i didn't say it like this but like could we have a look at how this side is like and there's this excuse about how it like grows different ways on either side of my head and i'm like don't care so here's the fundamentals of how scissors work you take your fingers you go like this you pull it up straight away from the scalp and you slice it off you just didn't do it it had nothing

it had nothing to do with the direction my hair was growing here's how your job works it's like i'm gonna let you finish, but. Oof. If I say that, can Kanye come after me? Oh, maybe. Who knows? Is being an asshole trademarkable? Cartman just has everything.

You know, I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone would actually be cool about it, though. Probably. Have they ever gone after anyone for, like, memeing their jokes? I have never heard of that happening. Me neither. And I'm not surprised. It doesn't seem like a them thing. I'm sure if you, like, tried to make basically exactly one of their episodes,

they would probably get cheesed. Yeah, they'd be pretty annoyed. But they'd be more likely to lampoon you on an episode yeah i don't have original ideas um so let's do the ipad pros topic because it's sort of the title otherwise i probably wouldn't bother because ed's giving me a ride home and he just like popped his head over here to see if we were done um this was posted by street guru on the forum apple has confirmed that some of their 2018 iPad Pros are shipping with a very slight bend in the aluminum chassis.

That's an interesting wording for it. According to the company, this is a side effect of the device's manufacturing process and shouldn't worsen over time or negatively affect the flagship iPad's performance in any practical way. Apple does not consider it to be a defect. Sweet. performance in any practical way apple does not consider it to be a defect sweet the bend is a result of a cooling process involving the ipad pro's metal and plastic components both sides of the device can be affected and it seems to be more pronounced

on the lte model as there's a plastic strip that breaks up the ipad's flat aluminum sides some people have mentioned that the text on the full plane chat is a little bit small and hard to see if you have eye problems uh not a defect yeah it's a uh side effect of the um text rendering process yeah as it's going from your keyboard to your browser and to other people's browsers it may get smaller. It's just a part of our advanced manufacturing process. In all seriousness, though, that's great feedback. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. We'll work on that. So Apple says it has not seen a higher than normal return rate so far,

but the only way for affected customers to return their iPads now that they've like noticed that it's bent is within the 14-day return window. So it should be no problem to just buy six iPads, check for the fl that it's bent is within the 14-day return window. So it should be no problem to just buy six iPads, check for the flattest one, and return the other five, but we're not saying you should do that. We're not saying you should buy an iPad at all. Oh, yeah, because you could literally,

you don't even have to just rapidly exchange. You could literally just buy a ton of them. Yeah. And then just, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope no no i mean that's one of the reasons that electronics retailers um can't take like open box processor returns without charging restocking fees because back in the day when overclocking was like kind of more of a thing people would go they would buy like 20 30 processors they would overclock them all see which one could do it and then they'd keep really good ones. They would flip them on eBay or whatever, and then they'd just return the craptastic ones

with open boxes and thermal compound all over them. Okay, so the last thing for today. I'm going to LTXExpo.com. We know it's redundant. We don't care. And I'm going to the updates page. Do you like the logo, by the way? Yeah. No, it's sharp. I like it a page. Do you like the logo, by the way? Yeah.

No, it's sharp. I like it a lot. Oh, do you like this logo being on the same page? Probably more than anyone could imagine. I'm actually so freaking excited. Oh, my God. You guys should sign up if you want to get this news, or you can just watch WAN Show, because realistically,

we're going to be talking about it. Explore Vancouver. Sterf posted an update on the blog, so we understand that... Oh, wait, do I have to click it? Oh, that's not actually that obvious. Oh, wow. There's work to be done on the blog. Oh, okay.

Okay. So as part of our weekly plan, so we want to make sure that there's an update every week from now on. I like it. Something. Some booth being added, something going on. We don't really have anything huge to share on the blog. So because it's a two day event this time,

because Vancouver during the summer happens to just be a beautiful place to come and visit, and we know that it's hard to justify coming all the way out here just for a convention or something like that, we just wanted to post some fun and cool stuff to do here in the city that you guys can check out while you're here.

Like don't just make it a two day in and out event. Come see our city, come enjoy it. Stay for a bit. This is the Capilano Suspension Bridge. It's actually a really like, it's a little bit hard to capture. It's a really wonderful experience. It's pretty sick.

Sorry? I went there last week. Oh, did you really? Yeah. Oh, cool. Granville Island is a lot of fun. If you enjoy craft beers, sorry I went there last week oh did you really yeah oh cool Granville Island is a lot of fun if you enjoy craft beers

Vancouver is a happening scene for that kind of thing if you want to make a night of it and you go to Granville Island you can go to a thing

called Vancouver Theatre Sports that's where Ryan Stiles and one of the other awesome dudes off of

Whose Line Is Anywhere Colin Mockery Colin Mockery got their start really awesome yep um so really really cool stuff and also over on the LTX twitter uh this is cool this is an actual update oh yeah okay this is amazing this is our convention space this year. It is flipping huge. You moved it off screen slightly, but it's like 75,000. No, the size.

Oh, yeah. 75,000 square feet. Yeah, 75,000 square feet, baby. It is going to be something else. We are hard at work making sure that this year's event is going to be a huge step up. We've already talked to Bob and Rod.

Nice. Nothing is like set in stone, but we have penciled in a way bigger booth for them. Nice. And they're going to do some kind of cool activation with respect to like water cooling or PC modding or something like that. Working with them.

We have a crazy project. So at the last two, you were able to try 16K gaming and 10K gaming. We had them there at the show. This year, it's going to be something really different. It's going to be something way cooler. Yeah, I'll tell you more about it off stream. It's going to be sick.

I'm assuming we can get it working. We should be able to get it working. I love how every time so far there's always been like some crazy plan that we like hope we can get working and then like it's up till the very night of like it's like not working like our negative two it finally comes together but but it makes it every time yeah somehow somehow we keep pulling it off. So good. So I want to do a couple super chats here. Mape keeps sending money. Hype for LTX.

He's going to be there. Mape's coming? Yeah. Heck yeah. So him saying he's hyped. He got plane tickets for Christmas or something? I don't remember the exact details. Heck yeah.

See you there, Mape. Oh boy. Tommy Gunnn says bring channel super fun back uh jensen says merry christmas hi jensen merry christmas to you too hey muthu hey demon sonic oh uh sign up before january 31st yeah okay uh would you be willing to add sargon of a cad to Floatplane? What is that? Oh, a creator. Political dude. Political dude.

Right winger. Well, I don't think he's right wing. We don't actually care. So our policy with respect to right wing, left wing politics is as long as what you're doing isn't illegal, then it's really none of our business. Yeah. Dan says, have a good night night i'll catch up in the morning too late thanks dan um infinite why on earth is floatplane using firebase hey why not like actually though i'm interested he says please he says please consider using a bundler

to bundle all the assets on float plane. It'll improve your load speed a lot. Yeah. Okay, so that's something we know. That's a thing. Okay. Other side guy. Turn the Lamborghini into an insane track day car.

Oh, boy. We also have plans for ways to use the bundler that will be better and blah, blah, blah. We wanted to turn the Lamborghini into a rally car. Yeah, that was something we wanted to do with it. We actually had a sponsor mostly lined up. They ended up... We ended up still doing something with them.

It was way less cool, frankly. I'm not going to name any names because, like, they're a partner and, like, I'm not trying to, like, crap on them or anything, but they made the wrong call. I know, AJ. Don't worry. What else we got here? Oh, Rediff.iff float plane cast button is that like easy or hard pretty sure it's already a thing oh well um what about on live stream though oh uh that's yeah it's definitely not here casting from your laptop yeah how would that work i'm pretty sure

it's there on a phone i don't know about a live stream though i know i know vods has a casting button i don't know if live stream has a casting button okay sorry um any thoughts of it is apparently it is yeah any thoughts of making an app for android also looking great from japan someone sent a super chat through youtube but they're watching on floatplane an app is definitely on our radar. We'd have to be complete idiots to not have thought of, you know, should we have an app? The problem for us

is that really the hard work of what we're doing is on the back end. Building out a scalable platform for delivering VODs and live streams

that is not based on AWS. So it doesn't have the cost boat anchor that comes along with that. It's not easy. There are like container apps where we just like containerize the website and it's just like on the desktop of your phone. But like anyone can do that at any time. It's not really, we do want a dedicated app at some point,

which will run faster and be better and whatnot, but not now trape 333 oh holy crap the whole thing is like blowing up right now uh disney is currently being sued for hakuna matata are you serious right now that's amazing oh yeah is that even real there's like four or five fortnite dances that people are suing over yeah oh like floss one the floss one they're being sued over that one too teenage kid who apparently did it in a video yeah i know about the kid who like went viral with it and whatever so yeah he's apparently suing as well nice it's just everybody wants a piece of the 100 million dollar a month or whatever sure why not nearly 45 000 people signed a petition accusing disney of colonialism and robbery for trademarking the Swahili phrase

Hakuna Matata made famous in The Lion King. Oh, they trademarked it. Is a tipping point in Disney's portrayal of Africa? Is a cultural appropriation petition claims? That doesn't sound like an actual lawsuit. That's a petition. Okay, Enlightened Apple fanboy, when do we get to meet Janice?

Okay, so we are going to do a meet... So we do these exclusive videos for Floatplane. Way to go. Next time Janice is in and not busy, I will sit her down and do the interview style thing. So... I guess late January, probably.

Not now. This guy whose name contains characters I don't know how to pronounce. My issue is some person's dance move in-game would be fine if it was free, but Epic charges money for something they didn't invent. That is sketchy. I think this is going to be pretty tough to enforce, though. Why don't you guys do 90-minute shows anymore?

Because we never get started at 4.30. That's still when we try, and we're just always, like, today we were later. And there's way less news now. Yeah. This show's about news anyway. That's true. Someone posted on, will you be reviewing the OnePlus 7 next year?

Presumably. And then blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah, okay. Okay, so there was one thing on, one floatplane comment that I wanted to address. I don't know. Did I highlight it or something? Oh, I don't remember.

Too late. All right. I've seen a few, and I... Yeah, I know. I'll leave this off. Did you guys talk about the store? Didn't we? I think so.

We talked about the store? We can talk about the store again. Some people did ask about my shirt. Yeah. This is... This is a... We did talk about the store. An LTT shirt.

It is officially an LTT shirt. You can get it on the website, along with other LTT shirts that look great. look great i like this one a lot actually this is very cool so one one thing that's cool about this shirt is i know some people myself included don't always want like super hardcore branding on things so with this shirt you can support the channel and buy a shirt that just looks really cool on its own and this part at least least has, it has a little LTT in it, but it's just like dots within the constellations. And there's lots of other dots too.

Want to see a fun Easter egg? Sure. Look at my pupils. Whoa. Either I'm high as a kite. How high are you? Or I had an eye doctor appointment that morning. Oh.

I was trying so hard to not, like, every time Brandon had to snap a shot of me during this shoot, I was like, okay, I'm ready. Oh. Oh, my eyes. What was that? Because I was just, I was, they had to put drops in to dilate me. Oh. Yeah.

Yeah, you look super stoned. Yeah, I had to go in for an eye scan. Wow. That's amazing. So that's a fun. Have people noticed? Or do you just point that out for fun? No, Ivan pointed it out when I was shooting a video with him earlier.

He's like, yo, you look blazed as hell, dude. That's free fun. Man. Man. But yeah, whether you want like the classic logo t-shirt or one that's just called Constellations. Do we have a zoom in on this so people can actually see it? Yeah, we should show it.

There it is. There. So you can see there's like little lines drawn between the constellations. And if you're really paying attention, you can notice an LTT. There we go. You don't have to pay attention. I can point it out for you. There, there, and there.

If you haven't seen it yet, it's very subtle. So if you want a really subtle way to support and have a cool, really comfortable, nice quality t-shirt, you can go with that. Or you can go with one of the more like clearly, hey guys, I like Linus Tech Tips shirts. Cable ties. Cable ties.

Wait, do we have Ashley just fully? Okay, they put them on orange cables. Ashley looks really sharp. Yep. All right. So that's it for the WAN show for this week. I have a question. Oh.

Do you want to release that super-duper long thing tonight? The super-duper... Oh. Is it ready to go? That would kind of make sense. This is the weekend before. Do you want to announce it? Yeah.

Yeah, sure. Why not? Okay. Okay, so we've done something really special. This was a James initiative for the most part. He was really championing this project hardcore, but he got a lot of help. Brandon, my understanding is,

sat out there with him for literally hours working on this project. Oh, I'm on the wrong server right now. Give me a second. I'm just going to see if I can play some of it off the server here. Ed actually also gave him a lot of help. A lot of people on the team pitched in to try and help get this thing exported because basically he had a goal.

He had a dream to create the world's first 8k yule log um and it might is it actually the world's first i have no idea but it's it's it's really good it's actually pretty cool a very early 8k yule log so there's a bit of an issue here and that is that a lot of the files here are very broken. So I'm hoping there's one that I can actually play. There are also a lot of them very, very high bit rate and I think my poor laptop is going to cry. Oh wow. But it is very, very Yule log, very LTT. Don't, don't, don't, don't. And it's anywhere from, how long is the, we wanted to do 10 hours.

We wanted to do a 10 hour 8K Yule log. And I think we've dialed it back to, I have no idea. I'm not, I'm not sure. There's some like Easter eggs in there, tech Easter eggs. Yep, there's fun Easter eggs. You can hear his laptops, like the fans are spinning up and it's lagging eggs in there. Tech Easter eggs. There's fun Easter eggs. You can hear his laptop's like, the fans are spinning up and it's lagging a little bit.

This is great. Yeah. Yeah, my laptop is feeling the burn right now here. Oh, my goodness. Let's have a look here. The task manager can't even open. Yeah. CPU is slammed.

GPU is hurting. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. I have 11 gigs of RAM in use, and all I'm doing is, well, I do have Chrome tabs open, but I'm just watching a video. People are asking how large the file is. Well, so the 10-hour file was over a terabyte.

That was ProRes, though. So we've run into all kinds of issues, like export issues, stability issues, YouTube file limit issues. We didn't know they had a file size limit, but they do. What is it? It's 125 gigabytes. Okay.

Yeah. So there you go. Now you know. We now have Flowplane's new file size limit. All right. So thanks, guys, for tuning in. See you again next week. Same bat-time same bat channel, I think the yule log is coming tonight Bye