The WAN Show - Cheap GPUs are FINALLY Coming Back!! - WAN Show July 9, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:21 Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi motors um i think it's supposed to be live is it we don't know welcome to the wang show ladies and gentlemen we've got a fantastic show for you today yes there's tons of good news there is good gpus they're finally coming down in price but okay i don't know if this is good news depending on who you are because it's all caused by a big cryptocurrency crackdown

Starting point is 00:00:57 in korea i know i was trying to i was trying to get that alliteration going cryptocurrency crackdown in China. It's okay. It's close enough. Also, there is a big right to repair executive order that is being cracked down in the United States of America. So that's really exciting for a lot of electronics enthusiasts, even though it's not necessarily directly applicable to us. What else we got today other good news the google play store is under fire that's fantastic also uh there's some what

Starting point is 00:01:33 is this by the way uh what is what oh my new house challenges yeah um it's like bold and highlighted in red so it sounds like an exciting topic, but I don't know what it is. There's a lot of challenges. There's challenges with the new house, okay? So for anyone who knows smart thermostats, all right, here's a preview for the challenges. Every thermostat in the house has only two conductors to it. So if you know smart thermostats, you know that could be problematic for me. All right, let's go ahead and roll that intro. Okay. all right why don't we jump right into our first topic of the day gpu prices finally finally starting to stabilize like i said they would uh After multiple crackdowns by the Chinese government, crypto prices have been tanking.

Starting point is 00:02:48 And as they do, they've been bringing GPU prices right down with them. So China's ongoing fight against crypto on account of, well, a power consumption and environmental concerns. Ha ha ha. I think so. Ha ha. Just kidding. I mean, they are concerns. It can put a significant load on the power grid. But I think the bigger one is that this is something that the CCP cannot control. And so obviously, they're not a big fan of that. So their ongoing fight against crypto has resulted in mining firms shutting down altogether in some cases, either by government order or fear of prosecution.

Starting point is 00:03:30 As a result, miners are trying to claw back some of what they paid for their now useless mining cards. Here is where the gamers get to do a victory lap because I'll let you guys in on a little secret. When GPU prices are hyperinflated, miners also have to pay hyperinflated pricing. So when they don't get a return on that investment, ultimately that is right out of the pocket of miners. So hey, it's like what I said would happen. Eventually, the tables will turn

Starting point is 00:04:00 and gamers will be benefiting from cheap GPUs and miners will be losing money. In fact, so many used GPUs are flooding the market that used pricing has come down, not just to MSRP, but even dipped below due to the sheer excess in supply. Now, that's not everywhere. Okay, region by region, pricing has been behaving differently. And in North America, region by region, pricing has been behaving differently. And in North America, there have been dips, but not to the same extent as what they've seen in China. So the good news, though, is that if miners are selling rather than buying, that is going to have a trickle down effect on other regions. So think about it this way, right? There's a number of wafers, right,

Starting point is 00:04:45 that NVIDIA has booked. They're going to make X number of GPUs come hell or high water because they actually have to book this stuff months or in some cases even years in advance in order to get allocation from TSMC or Samsung or any of the fabs that still exist. So what happens then is they've got this fixed amount that they have to build. Now, what you would normally see, and this is NVIDIA's typical go-to-market strategy, is they would start with the highest margin silicon. So that's going to be their professional products like their Tesla cards. i guess they don't call them quadros anymore so i don't know a series rtx a series um and then of course their high-end consumer and prosumer cards like you know your titans they don't have a titan right now but you

Starting point is 00:05:36 guys get the point your titans your rtx 80s and 90s stuff like that then what happens is the demand for those starts to taper off a little bit because believe it or not, there's a finite number of people in the world that need a $1,500 graphics card. Eventually they will just all have one and you got to start making stuff that is a little bit more affordable. So they take that, they take that wafer and instead of slicing it up, you know, into let's say a hundred pieces, they'll slice it up into 500 pieces. And these are smaller, less performant GPUs. And then they go and they integrate those into cards.

Starting point is 00:06:11 And that's going to be your 60 series or your 50 Ti or whatever the case may be. That just kind of didn't happen this time around because there was absolutely no incentive to do it whatsoever. So there was no pressure. In fact, there was upward pressure on pricing because there was just this utterly unmeetable demand for these high-end GPUs. So what's happening here now is we're seeing that... So that's what's normally supposed to make GPUs more affordable is they've got to ultimately produce GPUs.

Starting point is 00:06:46 And they're going to produce these more affordable ones in order to hit the mass market so they can sell way, way, way more volume of them, even if it's at a lower margin. So now we're seeing a bit of a different effect on what's going to happen to GPU pricing. So instead of miners in China buying these gpus they are now selling them so what that means is all these gpus that remember guys they're making anyway because it's they're not that nimble they can't just on a dime go oh crypto fell today on advanced yeah crypto fell today so we're gonna make 30 we're gonna make a 30 instead. It takes a little while to ramp these things up. What's going to happen is they're going to have this glut of chips. That's not a huge problem.

Starting point is 00:07:33 A company like NVIDIA has enough cash on hand that they can have a buildup of supply for a little bit. They can just hold that. That's not going to put an enormous financial strain on them. But it might look bad on their books. So you might start to see them go, okay, we need to get a little bit more aggressive. So they might start to bring back things like game bundles so they can increase sales to alleviate some of that excess supply. And that's a global thing. So even though the supply might only be excess in China, where people are going to start buying these used GPUs instead of buying new ones, that's going to affect their overall supply of these GPUs. And it's going to mean that they have to get more creative about moving them elsewhere in the world. And it's going to be a delayed reaction because it takes time but we should see pricing start to go down around the world that was not

Starting point is 00:08:26 the best explanation of how these different pressures uh affect each other but whatever this is live and i'm doing my best you guys believe me i'm doing my best um so blah blah blah blah blah oh yeah it hasn't completely it it's like prices are going to be coming down we've already seen them coming down a little bit locally we still have 3070s up on craigslist for like 1600 dollars yeah um so we're not out of the woods yet so that's another leg though that's another leg that i didn't talk about so remember how nvidia might have this pressure from holding inventory and they're going to try and pull every lever other than dropping the price before they pull dropping the price, right? So you want to get game bundles, or you want to do shipping offers, or you want to do combo deals.

Starting point is 00:09:14 Combo deals are a big one manufacturers love because they can provide an incentive to the user to buy, but they don't actually have to drop the price and make whoever bought it yesterday feel like a big sucker, right? So they want to pull all these other levers. So any local seller is going to hope they can find someone who doesn't know prices are going down. They're going to pull every lever they can other than dropping the price. And that's why online marketplaces like an eBay, for example, will tend to show, they'll tend to reflect this downward pricing pressure faster than something like a Craigslist,

Starting point is 00:09:48 where you might have a less in-tune clientele. That's the same reason why you might walk into like a little mom and pop computer shop and they'll have some GPU from two generations ago sitting on the shelf for what the MSRP was four years ago, right? So if they're the only computer shop in Vernon, BC or something like that, and someone desperately needs a GPU because they were out of land and they can't play any video games and they can't get overnight shipping

Starting point is 00:10:17 and they're going to miss out or whatever, they might buy it, right? So the more limited your buyer's options are, the better the chance that you can keep your price high. So we're going to see this downward pressure, but it is going to take some time. Yeah, we've also got people in the chat saying that they've seen eBay prices go down, like eBay listings go down in price by the day over the last little bit. So that's pretty interesting. Yep. You'll also see a lot of sellers that are going to try and pull their listings and not

Starting point is 00:10:47 let them sell at a lower price to try to prop it up, try to prop it up, try and make people think that there's still really high demand and not enough supply, but don't fall for it right now. Today is probably the worst time to buy a GPU in the last two years, because at least if you bought a GPU six months ago and you paid an obscene price for it, you could have been mining Ethereum on it overnight, like over the course of the winter and made back a ton of that money, assuming you sold. Anyway, I'm just saying right now, when that GPU is going to, it's kind of like buying a new car that's like, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:23 it's about to suffer some kind of catastrophic recall or something that's going to tank its value. So when you drive off the lot, you don't lose 10%. You lose like 40% of its value. Don't buy a GPU today, especially not at scalper prices because it's coming guys. It's finally happening. Um, so, okay. Okay. You know what? Anthony's got some really great notes in here. Apparently the energy factor of cryptocurrency plays a larger role than I realized. And they are facing an energy crisis right now with ongoing rolling blackouts. Now, I did kind of roll my eyes when I talked about environmental concerns. I still am not convinced that they care that much about that. But, I mean, not having people's houses and businesses have power, that's definitely a big problem.

Starting point is 00:12:11 Yes, for sure. Chinese authorities are placing the blame primarily on exceptionally high demand as well as routine maintenance. And this tracks with the crackdowns. There's apparently a coal shortage as well, combined with the reactivation of heavy industry as COVID recovery picks up speed. So it's seriously complicated the power situation. Likely they want to prioritize manufacturing over everything else, keeping Chinese manufacturers afloat.

Starting point is 00:12:34 I could see that. And yeah, so that's pretty much it. I mean, it's all good news. Luke, can you think of anything negative about GPU pricing getting back to normal i love it i'm i'm thrilled not for us yeah not not for our our section if you if you were heavily invested i could see this being a very frustrating time but um you had to know what was gonna come though like hopefully there was a lot of writing on the wall yeah you know well there's

Starting point is 00:13:01 writing on the wall every time i mean crypto boom bust boom bust boom bust boom bust now here's the question for you luke though this is the big question actually no first i just want to say i'm so glad that my crystal ball still works because i got into i got into an argument with someone in youtube comments which is a very stupid place to to to argue with people because you'll find all sorts there, where they basically said, no, no, the crypto won't crash this time. GPU pricing is never getting better. And I'm like, please.

Starting point is 00:13:32 It'll crash. It'll get better. There you go. It is what it is. So I was right. My crystal ball still works, which is fantastic. Now, here's my question for you. Luke.

Starting point is 00:13:44 Yeah. Do you buy the dip this time? Personally, no. For crypto? Nope. You're not going to buy any? Not personally. Are you?

Starting point is 00:13:57 I, man, it's tempting. It's tempting. Because there's just, there's such such there's this just amazing clear pattern of behavior clear pattern of behavior yes boom bust boom bust boom bust boom bust i just oh man i don't even i don't even know i don't even know i i and i i see it too. I just, I bought an apartment a few years ago and I find it very satisfying to pay it off. Ah, so you're going with that. You know what?

Starting point is 00:14:34 As investments go, BC real estate ain't a bad one so far. Yeah, and it's very like, it's also, I don't know. I'm not a huge fan of like huge financial risk as you. Yeah. And it's very, it's very like, it's also, I don't know, I'm not a huge fan of like huge financial risk as you probably know. And as the land show probably knows. Um, so paying off the place you live in, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. Um, paying off the place that you live in, uh, especially in this climate feels like a very, uh, like high return investment for one and then for two yeah it it just it feels good feels safe my payments go down like if i have a bad month which

Starting point is 00:15:15 isn't really a thing that happens because i have um stable gainful employment um but if i was to for some reason it would be more comfortable, you know, for sure. Yeah. I wouldn't have to like sell off all these assets and stuff. I just, I'm okay. I have my place. I've put a lot of money into it. I can pull money out of it.

Starting point is 00:15:34 It's, it's just, it's very stable. And I, I like that personally. Uh, but I could, if someone was to buy the dip, um, it would make a lot of sense to me. It's just not my play, personally. Not your jam. Not your jam. I get it. I get it.

Starting point is 00:15:49 So The Hookup just sent a message in the chat. Yo, man, it's a miracle I saw this thing, by the way. It said, did the shortage delay the production release of the next series? Will there be a 4080 before you can buy a 3080 at MSRP? It's a really good question, and it's one that people have been talking about a fair bit. Realistically, there's no way that the shortage delayed the R&D of the upcoming NVIDIA and AMD GPUs.

Starting point is 00:16:18 I mean, that's something that... NVIDIA and AMD, they're playing a game that is... They're playing a game that is... that is on the order of years, not on the order of how consumers think. I'm buying a PC in two months. That's about as far forward thinking as most consumers are going to be. Or they might think, okay, next generation consoles is sort of a best case scenario i could think of in terms of consumer planning um you know next generation consoles are coming next year you know i can see in one to two years yeah yeah maybe i don't maybe i don't buy a whole bunch of games for my current gen console although in the case of microsoft i think they've done a pretty

Starting point is 00:16:59 good job of uh you know forward and backward compatibility but maybe you don't get that like fancy new controller because you know there's going to compatibility. But maybe you don't get that like fancy new controller because you know there's going to be new controllers with the next console version or whatever else. You're not going to heavily invest in your current platform. Exactly. So, you know, I don't see it affecting R&D, but we have seen in the past,

Starting point is 00:17:18 we have seen it affect the release schedules for products. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Because if NVIDIA can get, if they're going to spend a billion dollars or whatever, creating a next generation GPU architecture, if they can make back $4 billion instead of $3.5 billion or whatever the numbers work out to be,

Starting point is 00:17:38 if they can make another half a billion dollars on that investment, why wouldn't they if there's absolutely no competitive reason for them to release the next-gen GPU? Now, there are still reasons to keep releasing GPUs when you have no competition. Otherwise, NVIDIA wouldn't have done it at all for quite a long period of time there because they really just didn't have any competition, but being able to resell to the same customer.

Starting point is 00:18:09 I mean, that's what drove innovation in the, in the computer space for so long, being able to drive people on this, you know, yearly or bi-yearly or tri-yearly upgrade cycle. I mean, that's why. Basically no more than three. There was, there was even like fairly not super into tech families that that i used to know that used to live on more or less a three-year cycle every three years they'd get a new family desktop exactly so there's two there's two kind of ways of looking at it on the one hand you want to get you want to reach as much saturation with each generation you invest in as

Starting point is 00:18:39 possible to get the most out of that investment but then number two is you don't want to wait so long that your loyal customers who come and buy from you with this regular cadence just go and buy a mountain bike instead, right? Because if they have that kind of disposable income, you want to capture it. And if you don't come out with something new, you're not going to capture it. So both of those are factors that they have to consider. So I would say it could delay it. I would be surprised if it delays it more than six months to a year, though, because NVIDIA wants to take those customers that run out and buy a 3090 or two 3090s. There's got to be a reason they kept SLI on that thing, right? Those customers who buy that thing, NVIDvidia wants to sell them a 90 or two every time you don't bring it on those are those

Starting point is 00:19:28 are great customers from nvidia's perspective yeah i i guess that's probably i'm sure this term is used in more industries than mobile gaming industry i'm sure that's like nvidia's whales is like the people that buy like a 90 or two every generation yeah you want to keep those whales happy dude yeah it's a good island it's a good island full of good people yeah yeah to keep whales happy all right so we got sorry it's terrible uh we're gonna jump right into our next big topic here uh u.s president joey b has signed a or is planning excuse me is planning on directing the ftc to create new right to repair rules that are primarily aimed at allowing members of the agricultural industry to more effectively repair their own equipment on site now this is one of

Starting point is 00:20:17 those things where i feel like this is a good thing and i want to i want to applaud but instead i'm not going to applaud because not enough i'm just gonna withhold my boo because it is terrible that this took so long it's terrible okay i'm gonna applaud a little okay okay yeah i'm gonna applaud a little yeah this you do you do have to cheer especially with with rotating leadership you do have to cheer the eventual success of something i i totally do agree with you uh we talked about the john beer thing years ago yeah on on wan show um it should this should have happened a very long time ago um the fact that you're not letting a like it's it seems

Starting point is 00:21:05 like the the do it you like farmers must be very very high on the do-it-yourself chain not letting them fix something themselves seems ridiculous and so the fact that this took so long is crazy i mean the fact that the fact that right to repair like this is something a lot of consumers even ones who oppose right to repair don don't seem to understand, or maybe just nobody's ever explained it to them, or they just never really thought about it this way, is right to repair already exists, and you already love it. In the automotive industry, this legislation that forces automotive manufacturers to support their products for a certain amount of time, to create systems and networks of parts supply to independent repair shops.

Starting point is 00:21:50 This freaking legislation already exists and it already is a pure benefit to consumers. It generates more competition and it generates more consumer choice, lowering prices. That is what it's all about. And so people who like, maybe it's just, I don't know what it is. Maybe for a lot of mainstream people, they look at electronics and they just go, oh, I don't know. This is a mysterious, it's a mysterious black mirror. How could we possibly expect an independent repair shop to to repair this correctly well if you don't provide any of the diagnostic tools and any of the diagrams they need you can't it's not reasonable but if you force them to do it like you do in the automotive industry then you can expect them to

Starting point is 00:22:39 repair it just fine there's a lot of perfectly competent very smart steady-handed people that can absolutely repair just about anything about a cell phone other than a main board even some of them can do a bang up job of repairing things on main boards if manufacturers weren't intentionally putting barriers in place and so what i am hoping is that for those people that kind of see electronics as like this black box that consumers and independent repair shops shouldn't be able to touch, I'm hoping that this is a step in the right direction. It's just mind-blowing to me that this took so long. We've already got this for cars. Why was tractors such a far step? It feels like it would be the first one

Starting point is 00:23:26 it feels like it would come before cars personally how did that how did this happen how is a car not just how or excuse me how is a tractor not just a big heavy 2d car okay all right it's not it's not a little more to it than that but yeah yeah i hear you but you guys understand like more accessible like those uh i don't know i don't want to get into this because i could be totally wrong but i was going to say they often have more accessible engine compartments and stuff too that you would think are made that way so that they can be repaired more easily by the people using them um That always seemed true to me through observation. I could be completely wrong.

Starting point is 00:24:07 But yeah, I don't know. The whole John Deere thing has seemed very weird to me the whole time. The only thing that makes me sad about this whole situation is that it says primarily aimed at allowing members of the agriculture industry to more effectively repair their own equipment on site. That's fantastic. This is primarily aimed at that. Is it going to properly cover the rest?

Starting point is 00:24:29 Probably not. No, but... That's concerning. I'm hoping it's moving in the right direction. In the right direction, yes. I hear that. I just hope the next step doesn't take five years. For those who aren't familiar with the John Deere situation,

Starting point is 00:24:39 basically, the equipment has been increasingly designed in such a way where many mechanical problems that used to be trivial to fix with tools and spare parts now require an authorized service technician and specialized software and john deere's justification for this is well it's so much more complex this is the new era of agriculture and smart no no no no no no you just want more money stop stop stop because there's absolutely no reason why you couldn't just create very cheap effective uh programs to to train small shops or to train individual farmers on how to do this stuff themselves assuming that highly crafty farmers can't fix your more complex system is the wrong bet.

Starting point is 00:25:27 And you're a jerk. Have you seen some of the high-tech farming videos on YouTube? They're crazy, actually. They're really interesting rabbit hole. They're really impressive. Right. Yeah. And you know what?

Starting point is 00:25:41 If they can't fix it, having a service that you can provide that can fix it for them, if you're not you don't have to provide a service to fix your tractors i guess but you're supposed to you should and when you provide that service you're not supposed to be able to take advantage of your position as a monopoly to push out any competition and jack up the prices but that's what you're effectively doing if you're only if you're controlling your entire certification process and making it so that you're the only one who's allowed to touch it. So according to a Bloomberg report, the new set of rules that may be pushed is also expected to mention defense contractors and mobile phone manufacturers and will be aimed at combating measures that companies like Apple and Microsoft have in place that actively work against consumer choice and repair. We don't have any guarantee of any of that yet. So the executive

Starting point is 00:26:45 order is signed, but I believe it just directs the FTC to create new rules. It's really interesting to see that the FTC is taking a bit more of a transparent approach to things. It was fascinating reading the interviews about that entire process. they held their first like open open doors uh public meeting in like decades or something like that and uh some of the members were real upset about that it's like no actually consumers should know what the uh what the ftc is working on um it's like kind of the whole point. The executive order is designed to do greater problems. Yeah, so, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:29 So, man, I'd love to see this just medicine would be another space where like the amount of waste, the amount of resource waste that ultimately gets passed along to the consumer that goes on in medicine, especially in America, man, I feel for my American brothers out there, you guys, like, imagine having a super expensive healthcare system. Like, and still having to pay for it. Like, I just don't. I don't get it. I don't get it. It's it like, it's mind blowing. It's mind blowing to me.

Starting point is 00:28:06 I remember like my, my, my first sort of, oh, wow. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm glad it's not like that here moment was my mom talking about a friend of hers from the States who had like, her arm was like kind of bent at, at a weird angle. And, you know, my mom had known her for a while and finally asked her, she went like, hey, what is up with that? And they kind of went, oh, well, I broke my arm when I was a kid and my family couldn't afford to get it set. And kind of like shrugged. And my mom was like, what? Are you kidding me? To be clear, our system, not perfect. Absolutely not perfect. But I mean, the idea that, you know, I actually had an acquaintance of mine whose daughter's child was born with some horrifying condition that involved like three surgeries. And

Starting point is 00:29:02 now we're knock on wood, so far so good now we're we're back to normal uh basically they didn't pay a dime and i was i was extremely proud of the taxes that i pay that made something like that happen the idea of small children having broken arms that don't get put in casts is horrifying to me yes so if that makes me a filthy commie, then you can color me red, baby. Color me red. All right. Let's talk about, oh, you know what? Let's color me green first.

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Starting point is 00:30:43 Make ship happen. Now, back to the show all right why don't we uh why don't we move on and get on with the show here oh we gotta talk about nintendo switch not pro not pro yeah now people are mad some people are mad some people are mad you know what i got a hot take i got a hot take so i want you to run run us through the news luke and then i'm gonna hit you with a mad hot take we had there was lots of rumors of a new switch pro there's lots of rumors of of different controller layouts different controllers in general uh i i remember even reading one that was literally just about the kickstand oh wait can i interrupt can i interrupt him for one second oh

Starting point is 00:31:23 wait actually no never mind i'm not going to mention it. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I shouldn't have done that. There's been better, more advanced Tegra processors. There's been higher resolutions. There's been a dock that increases the performance of the Switch. There's been lots and lots and lots of rumors.

Starting point is 00:31:42 What we got is pretty much the same same thing but with a better screen no controller changes no performance changes uh msrp of 350 yeah that's it coming in october not really a switch pro but yeah available in october you get a better screen um there's more okay okay i actually didn't know this part the new dock does have an ethernet port for lan all right um that sounds fine i guess i don't know i didn't find the wireless to be a problem but i i'm not gonna say no hey when you're downloading big games it's if you want to play right now yeah like i bought i bought a us USB dongle for mine. It's wired.

Starting point is 00:32:26 I just, you know, whatever. Whatever. Wireless, basically, right? Standard Switch fits the new dock just fine, which means the new dock is going to be a separate accessory as well, almost certainly. And you could buy that if you wanted to for some reason. I bought a custom dock for mine

Starting point is 00:32:43 because it was very cheap, but it's just small and has basically no vertical height so that it doesn't scratch the screen and stuff, which is cool. Other improvements include an adjustable stand, enhanced audio, more storage, and it comes in white, up from 32 gigs to 64 gigs. Enhanced audio is very light on detail, so I have to wait and see how that pans out. The same Joy-Cons are being used.

Starting point is 00:33:05 I think this is the main complaint. As far as I can tell, most of the frustration comes from the same Joy-Cons being used. You can still get them fixed by Nintendo, but, I mean, it's pretty frustrating having your Joy-Con drift super rough and then needing to, like, ship off one of your controllers and not really be able to play without buying another really expensive controller. There's a note saying the Switch Pro might still be happening later. I suspect it is.

Starting point is 00:33:29 Nintendo is a huge fan of, like, many incremental little improvements, especially when they have something that's working. And the Switch is definitely working. And while people have been super excited about the Switch Pro, I haven't heard a ton of people talking about like, man, I wish my switch was like twice as powerful, bro. Or necessarily even complaining about the resolution. Like the resolution is really low. Sure.

Starting point is 00:33:56 But I personally haven't heard a ton of complaints about the resolution on the switch. Those just aren't the core complaints that i find the core audience of nintendo users have um so it's interesting that being said personally still excited for a switch pro and i would love those things but yeah i think i think they are probably catering to the majority of their audience by fixing the screen, which is a very noticeable thing on the Switch, and not fixing pretty much anything else,

Starting point is 00:34:32 and thus keeping their profits very high, which is something that Nintendo is an extreme fan of. But yeah, what's your take? My hot take? I love it. I'm going to buy one on launch day. Really? Yep. When I had my wisdom teeth pulled out um that was when i finally caved and bought a switch because i knew that i was going to be stuck in bed with nothing to do for like two days um i had the it was the bottom ones out um it was it was like my dentist told me like look

Starting point is 00:35:02 you're you're not doing anything, dude. This is going to be pretty rough. You had to really get in there. Um, and so I finally caved. I finally bought a switch when I knew I was going to be stuck on my back for two days. I pulled it out of the box and I went, wow, this screen looks like dog. Uh, even back then it sucked. Uh, nevermind OLED.'s a bad lcd there's a huge air gap uh which is which is sloppy cheap garbage even back then because you guys got to remember you could get replacement screens for like a nexus 7 tablet you know pretty nice ips display that's like 10 years ago you could get them for like 20 bucks, right? Like the fact that Nintendo on this $400 Canadian console had this garbage tier screen was always completely

Starting point is 00:35:53 unacceptable to me. And it's really the only problem that I've, okay, the, the, uh, actually no, the on, on the plane, plane on the plane the kickstand was a real problem for me as well those are the only two problems i have ever had with my switch i've had absolutely no joy-con drift although i am pretty careful with them uh and i'm not a super heavy player so that's something to note um a little bit more storage it's like yeah sure i mean the $50 price hike i mean that's the card for more for like more storage is not that different from what you'd get on like a phone or whatever so you could just consider this a 64 gig switch as far as i'm concerned and then getting a larger oled display is like man i'm on

Starting point is 00:36:37 that so fast so fast i've seen a lot of people upset with my take because i did post this on twitter as a response to anthony's tweet i've seen a lot of people upset with my take because I did post this on Twitter as a response to Anthony's tweet. I've seen a lot of people upset with me because I don't seem to care about the performance aspect of it. You know what? I don't, actually. And I would heavily argue that the majority of Nintendo's audience does not either. And here's another kind of hot take. I consider the fact that Nintendo has stuck, has maintained continuity here with the same Tegra processor.

Starting point is 00:37:16 I actually think that's a good thing. means for people who are performance gaming enthusiasts who want to game at 60 fps or higher is that we're going to get even a larger catalog of switch games to enjoy on switch emulators that will be able to upscale those games run at higher refresh rates so if you're an actual pc enthusiast you should give exactly zero oh my goodness about any of this and just go okay well great this means a deeper catalog of switch games we don't have to completely redesign the emulators that have already been in in progress for four years to accommodate all these new games that might have might have needed a ton of work if it was a tagra pro whatever i don't know i guess we'll you know we'll probably would have probably would have required a bunch more work.

Starting point is 00:38:05 What do you still play on Switch? Most recently, I played through Bravely Default 2. It's not a very good game. I was going to say, I didn't think you even liked it. I didn't really. I did end up grinding my way to the end, though. I finished it last week. Or earlier this week.

Starting point is 00:38:21 I don't know. It's not a very good game. But you are still actively using your Switch. Is effectively what you're saying yeah yeah and i'll probably play breath of the wild too so that's you know you said you weren't i know but i i lied i'm gonna buy it i thought so i didn't play the dlc but i'm gonna i'm gonna play the new game i'll play the new game i often don't play dlcs um if dlcs were still like frozen throne then i would but what a great these days when they're often like oh it's like a it's like a one to three hour at a maximum if it's a large dlc adventure that you can go on um it's like okay i'm gonna have to like remember how to play this game that i haven't played in half a year just to do this like one mission and i the story probably

Starting point is 00:39:10 felt concluded and now it's just weird and i don't know oh this is great uh mario madness says mario golf recently yeah apparently that's really good i think i might pick it up so yeah there you go there you go i just uh you know i would uh mott says breath of the wild had leg spikes absolutely it did it doesn't run perfectly i just i don't know maybe i'm just over it maybe i i just got over it i just don't care anymore so yeah and like i said multiple times i would like a higher performance switch i would like a a baller switch pro i think that would be very cool i think i'm not the majority of the Nintendo audience. Well, they

Starting point is 00:39:47 kind of did that once. They basically made that product once. It's called the Wii U. It was a Wii on steroids that got new games. Yeah. It didn't work. No one cared. Nope.

Starting point is 00:40:04 I think there was other reasons why people didn't care oh yeah i know i know the marketing for it was terrible there were a lot of reasons that we was a failure but my point is if i'm nintendo uh that's that strat of you know the same thing but like more powerful who cares they've always they have to understand that they're and i think yeah and i think the nintendo audience like a lot of the games that they like are not super performance heavy uh and it and it takes artistic styles that look often quite beautiful in in ways um but aren't super performance heavy because they're not going for realism so they just need like a really nice screen and it's fine yep i'm so excited for the oled screen i'm

Starting point is 00:40:47 gonna and you know what's great is because i have a gen like i have a launch uh switch i can probably get a pretty decent price for it because it's it should be hackable or whatever um gotcha uh so yeah i think i have an exploitable switch so i'm gonna sell it i'm gonna buy the new switch uh oled and i'm going to just pay for all my games and everything will be good i'm excited cool all right yeah this is pretty oh oh you know what man we should have transitioned into this topic from the right to repair executive order uh google's play store is under fire because i was i was explaining the difference between uh man i ended up in a really stupid argument on twitter over this one as well uh people just don't seem to fundamentally um be not people some of some of

Starting point is 00:41:38 you like if you understand what it is don't don't take, you guys. But you can't deny that there are a lot of people out there who don't fundamentally understand what anti-monopoly and antitrust laws are and why they exist and how they are there for your protection as a consumer. Google's response to this antitrust lawsuit that's being brought about by 36 states' attorneys general is hilarious. And it kind of says everything you need to know about the new non-don't-be-evil era Google. In a blog post responding to the lawsuit, Google says, It's strange that a group of state attorneys general chose to file a lawsuit attacking a system that provides more openness and choice than others. This complaint mimics a similarly meritless lawsuit filed by the large app developer Epic Games,

Starting point is 00:42:33 which has benefited from Android's openness by distributing its Fortnite app outside of Google Play. Okay. So the fact that you're more open and provide more choice than apple is a low bar it's not a major accomplishment that is not that no one is applauding you that is not the stick that we that you need to be measured by so let's go through what's happening here um in a lawsuit filed in California court on Wednesday, 36 states and Washington, D.C. challenged Google's Play Store policy forcing developers to pay a 30% commission fee on sales made in their app.

Starting point is 00:43:15 So this mirrors the Epic v. Apple, and with less notoriety, the Epic v. Google lawsuits. This is the fourth antitrust lawsuit launched against the company by U.S. government enforcers in the last year. It's about freaking time. The lawsuit alleges that Google forced anti-competitive strategies

Starting point is 00:43:33 on Samsung, attempting to buy off the company to limit competition from the Samsung Galaxy App Store. So they, like, turning the Galaxy Store into a white label for the Google Play Store, sharing the back end and billing while keeping a different face.

Starting point is 00:43:48 OK, that's not what Samsung wanted. They wanted to maintain their independence from you, which is exactly what antitrust laws are supposed to allow them to do. They also allege that Android is now open source in name only. is now open source in name only. This is on account of the fact that the Google certified version runs on over 99% of smartphones with licensed mobile OSs. So if it's a Google certified version

Starting point is 00:44:13 that is not all open source, then you can't just say Android's open source. It's not that simple. And tech enthusiasts have known that for a long time. There's a big difference between AOSP and the Android that you run on your smartphone. A new Google policy, sorry, it also alleges a new Google policy will require developers of streaming services to pay Google 30% on subscriptions purchased through the

Starting point is 00:44:36 app if they want to make that available, or that they be streaming only with no reference to where a user can sign up. Now, as you can imagine, Luke and I have some personal experience with what that's like for an app developer. You know what? Google and Apple should absolutely be allowed to provide a payment portal. They should absolutely be allowed to help app developers with their payment processing.

Starting point is 00:45:01 But by making it 30% and by not allowing you to use anything else they are effectively mostly the not allowing to you to use anything else and not allowing you to have that one cost more because if if we could just price adjust it like if if paying through the google play store yeah was just uh exactly the difference of cost to us for the payment processing, then sure, of course. Why not?

Starting point is 00:45:30 If you would prefer to pay that way, if it's easier for you, the cost is low enough that you don't really care. Great. It doesn't matter to me. But when it costs us more and we're trying to divvy out to creators

Starting point is 00:45:41 and do all this other kind of stuff, in a lot of situations, it makes it like the Apple one made it a literal zero cent transaction like we made nothing and that just doesn't make any sense at all and it's so frustrating and and one of these things like they they mention a streaming only app right like oh that doesn't sound too bad we can have a float plane viewer app you can't subscribe through it or whatever on the store like okay i can kind of understand that except that's not all that it is they don't let you contact support properly through the app because they don't and

Starting point is 00:46:15 they and they don't allow you to have faqs and all this other kind of stuff or at least that's how it was on the apple side of things apple's been changing things i might not be 100 on top of it right now but they don't let you do those things because you could include references to a way to subscribe through those things like if you linked to an faq that was on your website or if you did anything like that if you linked them out of that app at all to any other resources that could potentially suggest subscribing in a different way yeah even if it doesn't that's against the rules so it ends up being extremely anti-user and anti-consumer to the point where as a as a app developer you don't even want to do it at all because it's just so frustrating for the user experience and you end

Starting point is 00:46:59 up getting tons of usually tweets complaining about it because they can't figure out how to officially contact your support because you're not allowed to link it properly. And that's just bonkers. I don't know. So someone on Twitter said, well, I mean, is this really abusing consumers? Maybe if Netflix decided to dump the extra cost incurred by Google's processing fee on the consumer, it would, but I doubt they'll do that. I read this tweet and my palm just about traveled all the way through my face, grabbed my brain, went out the back of my head and flushed my brain down the toilet. What could possibly possess you to think that Netflix will not pass this cost along to the consumer? Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:47:55 You know, and then someone else said, so what? So every store is antitrust. There's nothing unfair about what Apple or Google are doing. You can subscribe to these services via the web, then download the app and log in. All they're stopping you from doing is advertising that fact via the play and app stores like every shop. Okay, so the difference is that they are monopolies. Okay, they're a duopoly. Fine, whatever. You want to sort of split hairs like that, we can. The fact that they are a monopoly means that they are not allowed to behave this way. If there was an actual competitive ecosystem for mobile devices or for app stores,

Starting point is 00:48:35 remember, that's what Epic Games is arguing, that there should be a competitive ecosystem for alternate app stores, which would force Apple and Google to respond to complaints that their fees are too high and be competitive with other app stores, blah, blah, blah. That's like the whole thing. The fact that they are a monopoly is what makes the behavior bad. If they weren't a monopoly, then it would be fine. So that's why Epic is making that argument.

Starting point is 00:49:00 To be clear, Epic is not some kind of noble, you know, just doer of good deeds. They absolutely are out to make money. But they're also not wrong. The fact that they're out to make money does not make their point invalid. The lawsuit also alleges that Google requires OEMs to pre-install a suite of Google proprietary apps and make it impossible to delete or remove many of them. Also, that they provide preferential placement on devices' home screens. So in 2009, Google required pre-installation of as many as a dozen apps. By 2013, it was two dozen, and now it is up to 30 apps. And you know what? The reality of it is, most Google apps, I wouldn't actually want to remove from my phone. I mean, I love Google Maps. I love Gmail.

Starting point is 00:49:47 But what if I didn't? It is anti-consumer for me to not be able to remove crap I don't use from my device. You can make your product competitive. I love Google Maps and I'm going to keep using it. That's fine. that's fine. How would you feel if McAfee Antivirus, RIP,

Starting point is 00:50:09 was pre-installed on your computer and you couldn't remove it? If McAfee... The McAfee Antivirus Removal Tool does not exist anymore and it is a permanent feature on your computer. If McAfee Antivirus Tool is great and I want to use it anyway, then I'm perfectly happy. If it's not, because McAfee...

Starting point is 00:50:31 Even if it was the best option around, I would want the possibility to remove it for sure. Oh, sorry. I was answering as like a general consumer. So I'm looking at this from sort of like the bigger picture. As long as it's great, you don't really run into problems but what happens is when a monopoly uses its position as a monopoly to just have their product be the default regardless of how good or bad it is it tends to degrade in quality so eventually even though you might not feel like this is a problem today because you love gmail and you

Starting point is 00:51:03 love google maps or whatever else eventually if Google behaves this way and stifles competition on its platform, it will be a problem. So yeah, Google's response is typical, just honestly, it's kind of evil. They're just pretending they don't even see the problem. They absolutely see the problem. Everything they did here was absolutely intentional and they fully understand what they're doing. And I hope that the United States government finally starts doing something about antitrust.

Starting point is 00:51:41 I mean, it is hilarious to look at this stuff and compare it to how microsoft was treated over internet explorer like what i if i'm if i'm microsoft i would be outraged that google and apple get away with what they do what because they're like cooler or something i i don't know i don't know i don't understand it everybody's just numb to it i think i think i think the government and we've talked about this a bunch i think the government got gun shy after microsoft mera tv says the u.s won't do anything because most of their money comes from those companies no it doesn't you know that there's a whole other thing where they don't pay any tax and stuff right they don't now indirectly sure they employ a lot of people and create a lot of money moving around

Starting point is 00:52:34 for the economy absolutely for sure but it's not like they're gonna stop doing that all of a sudden because the u.s government steps in and starts actually enforcing their anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws uh kasama says i paid more taxes than amazon and they're a twitch viewer scrub so like it can't be a lot of money no offense no offense i love our viewers on twitch it's just that i love the float plane and youtube ones more especially floatplane um okay all right all right all right so this is funny they pay so floatplane is clarifying well okay but they do pay money to politicians and pay for their campaign ads i guess that okay i thought you meant actually funding like the government uh metal gap people in floatplane keep on saying that there's going to be a 20 super chat if i say

Starting point is 00:53:28 it's luke time uh so i just said it now you have to pay 20 super chats there we go cool very nice you know that i take the money right yeah no no i know you know i've just i hope they know i hope they understand that okay yeah luke gets paid the same regardless you get to see his pretty face no matter how many superchats you send him um or however many you don't luke is luke it will still be employed nice by the way spend that 20 on ltd store yeah we've got a deal right get something for yourself uh if you buy a classic 21 ounce orange ltt bottle you get a keyboard shirt for free the discount gets applied when you add both to the cart so head on over there lttstore.com ladies and gentlemen that's a genuinely wicked offer it is a wicked offer it's almost like there might be a next generation water bottle coming at some point and also like the keyboard the keyboard shirt hasn't sold particularly well

Starting point is 00:54:27 it's almost like we're doing that thing i said earlier where instead of discounting the product we're offering a bundle deal remember that thing i talked about it's almost like it's almost like i have a background in product management and merchandising i'm surprised the keyboard shirt isn't selling well i thought they were pretty it did okay but there's some colors that are not particularly popular we thought people were going to buy more along the lines of

Starting point is 00:54:55 repping their color of Switch they like instead of just design colors that look nice and everyone just bought designs that look nice so we completely overstocked on popular switches and so that's the thing in other news um yeah oh yeah this is kind of this is some dystopian level stuff i mean it never surprises me coming out of china but like basically they're using facial recognition on cameras on devices to control um kids gaming in china uh so maximum

Starting point is 00:55:37 of 90 minutes of gaming on weekdays and a maximum of three hours of gaming on weekends and there are spending limits in games in my opinion that's like a good thing but it should just be everyone not just kids um or there should be i mean you know what i don't have the answer to that industry i don't actually know no no you should be able to buy as much stuff as you want if you really want to freedom etc but there's got to be a way to uh there's just be print parental controls, in my opinion. Well, I don't know. Okay, because you look at something like the lotto industry, right? They have regulations.

Starting point is 00:56:11 Gambling has regulations, so it should be regulated. I just don't have the right answers, and I'm not an expert in that field. But basically, you're... Oh, right. Sorry, I don't buy these things, so I sometimes forget they kind of exist. I guess the spending money on games, they're talking about loot boxes. Yes, right. Because, sorry, I don't buy these things, so I sometimes forget they kind of exist. I guess the spending money on games, they're talking about loot boxes. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I would be completely fine personally, and maybe some people hate me for this, but yeah, just call it gambling and don't allow miners to do it at all. I don't care about spending limits, just ban it. It's gambling. It is.

Starting point is 00:56:46 just ban it it's gambling it is like i just alex you want something generally most games that have them you're not allowed to buy something specifically some games yes but a lot of games that have them you have to buy the loot boxes and hope and that's gambling yeah anyways alex put in here linus as a parent would you want to have your kids gaming time limited like this well i don't understand why it needs to be facial recognition. And the problem here is that the state is stepping in and that it's not a parent controlling it. Like I do have screen time limits on my kids' devices. Absolutely. Uh, but I don't need facial recognition because they're my children and I know where they are and what they're doing because they're my freaking kids. And I'm able to make that decision. If I decide, you know what, you know, great job, you know, winning your badminton tournament.

Starting point is 00:57:29 You got a ton of exercise this weekend because you played a tournament. You can play video games for however long today. You can relax on Sunday or whatever. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, that's my decision. exactly like that's my decision and the state stepping in and making it for me like yes i agree with limiting kids exposure to this stuff but i don't agree with my government coming in and telling me how to do it with that said it's clear that they have a problem in china with parents

Starting point is 00:58:00 not enforcing screen time limits because gaming addiction appears to be a bit of an epidemic over there. Is it more than it is here? Do we know that? I don't know if we know that for sure, but we do know that culturally very, very, very long periods of time spent gaming has been more of a norm in Asiaia for longer than it has been here that we don't know um so what we know is that there is at least this perception that it is not being taken care of by the parents and you could point at all kinds of reasons for that i mean part of the problem might be the uh uh what what is it uh what is it called? The however, 996, I want to say.

Starting point is 00:58:51 The 996 working hour system is blah, blah, blah, work schedule. So 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. six days a week is the 996 working hour system in China. There's a lot of people there opposing it because it's like a very excessive work culture. But I would imagine that in a culture like that, if both parents are working, you might actually end up out of necessity having your kids entertained by electronic devices a lot because you're not able to actually be there spending time with them, playing non-electronic games with them like

Starting point is 00:59:25 there's there's a thousand i'm not saying that's the only reason i'm just saying there's a thousand reasons that it could be a problem um so i don't i don't have the solutions but in my for my sensibilities the government stepping in and enforcing how how often and how long my kids can use electronic devices sure as heck isn't it so yeah that's tough hey 996 sounds horrible um yeah it sucks yeah especially considering commutes yeah well you got to remember too different work culture like when we went and visited one plus's factory there were dorms like on site so that you can 996 your way to the top that would make a little bit more sense probably to be honest yep just because like certain commutes like i mean where we're from it's not even that uncommon to have an hour-long commute

Starting point is 01:00:23 if you add two hours on top of that, that's 11 hours a day. Like, that's not 11 hours, 14 hours a day. Big yikes. Yep. So got people saying very easy for people not living in a culture to criticize how another culture operates. Yeah, sure. I mean, I'm not criticizing it. I'm just saying that that could be one of the reasons that the government is stepping in to take care of this because people are literally not there

Starting point is 01:00:53 to take care of it themselves. There you go. What else we got here? Yes, my new house challenges. There have been some challenges. So I actually shot a video there today, kind of walking through some of this stuff. So I'm gonna, you guys are getting an early preview of some of this stuff. But basically, what I'm realizing is that as we go through and renovate some stuff, this is going to be my only opportunity with some of the drywall pulled off to run any cabling through the walls and through the floors that I want. So while I'm not a big smart home kind of guy, I've definitely done more research on it lately. And I've found that there's some things that could probably make me more of a smart home guy. Like for example, if I change out all my light switches now for, I found a GE one that is both a light switch and a motion sensor, and I tie all

Starting point is 01:01:51 of it into Home Assistant along with a per zone HVAC system, I could make it so that in the summer, my air conditioning only turns on in rooms that are occupied. That's pretty cool. I could totally get into something like that. Like, why am I, if my kids are dum-dums and leave their air conditioning on, why am I air conditioning their bedroom for, you know, eight hours, nine hours while they're at school and they're, you know, lessons or whatever else? That's, that's ridiculous. It's totally stupid. And so I'm kind of looking at it going, oh boy. Um, so maybe I do, maybe I do want to do some of this stuff. Uh, this is also my only opportunity to figure out, okay, where are my wifi access points going? Do I want to do access control? Where are security cameras going? So one of the big challenges that I've run into is that the heating is handled by a 10-zone water boiler system.

Starting point is 01:02:49 So it's called a hydronic system. So there's water running through the floors that's heated, and then the heat just radiates off the floors and heats the entire house that way. It's super cool. It's super efficient. The problem is that there's 10 thermostats each of which only has two wires going to them which are a very basic literal actual mercury in a tube that literally actually rolls from one side of the tube to the other side of the tube to open or close a switch to call for heating or cooling to that zone. So if I wanted to install some kind of smart thermostat in there that would have the capability to also communicate with an AC system and maybe even, you know, smart controlled dampers

Starting point is 01:03:35 so you could put different zones on your AC system, I would have to run 10 thermostats worth of wiring through the walls or I'd have to find a thermostat that is a smart thermostat that can just take power off of those lines and do all of its communication via zigbee or z-wave back to a hub back to home assistant and then communicate with the uh the smart valves on the boiler system and then with the ac as well as with the smart dampers in the ducts for the AC system and all this stuff. And I'm just, dude, I am so overwhelmed. I am completely out of my depth.

Starting point is 01:04:15 People are asking if Brian, the electrician, is going to make a appearance again. Oh, I'm sure Brian will end up here at some point or another, but we're actually having most of this done just with like a a single point of contact contractor because there's a ton of stuff that we're that we're doing at the new place yeah you're doing lots of different things that makes sense yeah so there's gonna definitely be some brian the electrician stuff because one of the things i've

Starting point is 01:04:38 asked the general contractor to arrange is water cooling tubes that go from the mechanical room to outside the house can you can you think of what i might do with those no way whole home rack water cooling i'm totally gonna do it i'm gonna do it right this time though outside the house are you geothermal so if we were if we were changing the landscaping in the front yard i would totally bury a coil and i would totally do that but no uh i'm probably just gonna do it kind of like we did at the langley uh at the langley office and uh yeah it's not mixed metals this time. It's going to be awesome. Yeah. Well, it wasn't mixed metal.

Starting point is 01:05:27 Oh yeah, it was mixed metals. That was the problem. Yes. No stainless steel. It should have been fine if that stupid thing from Princess Auto was actually stainless steel, but it wasn't. So I'm going to do that. I want to do a heat

Starting point is 01:05:43 recovery system on the server room as well because not everything will be water cooled like i'm not going to water cool a network switch or whatever so i want to create like a like a smart damper on like a duct from that room that can either kick the heat outside or like just chuck the heat into the basement in the winter. That's awesome. I want to do like, what else is there? Have you figured out how many computers you can fit in that area? Oh, the land, the land room downstairs. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:18 We're going to do five and then a smaller station for like a laptop. So we could do up to six in there. We've got to have like, probably, I guess probably next summer. But you've got to have like a barbecue pool day that ends in a land night. I'm super down. We'll do it. I promise. That'd be so cool.

Starting point is 01:06:36 That'd be so cool. 100%. Oh, man. And we could, so we'd have. Oh, that's awesome. So we're going to have, there'll be PCs in the theater room, the rec room, the family room. There'll be two in the office, mine and Yvonne's desktops. And then there'll be five ones in the land room.

Starting point is 01:06:55 Is it a little overkill? Absolutely. But it also might not end up being quite that overkill. So one of the overkill things I'm doing is i'm running conduit to almost all of those places so instead of me having a computer in the um in the office upstairs and a computer in the land room i could have one computer in the server rack and then i could just run fiber optic display port and fiber optic usb to both of those places clone the display and just sit down

Starting point is 01:07:26 and use my computer at either of them completely interchangeably that would be pretty cool really really cool another thing i could do is instead of putting the uh the five computers in the land center there i could put a single virtualized computer really get hardware that actually does it perfectly like every time i've done a two gamers one cpu or whatever it's been a tech demo i've never actually made it perfect but if i could get exactly the hardware that exactly works perfectly i could do a for realsies whole land center one cpu gaming setup and now that they have 64 core cpus i mean every one of those machines could have like 10 cores in it that's crazy 12 12 that's ridiculous and i'd have four left over for plex transcoding or whatever so there's the more i poke around in this house and play around with the wiring the

Starting point is 01:08:20 more excited i am to do kind of crazy stuff. I talked to a solar roofing installation company today and I was like, so I couldn't help noticing that photovoltaic cells operate more efficiently when they're cool. Have you guys ever done an installation where you like run cold water up to the roof and then dissipate the excess heat into like a pool or something? They're like, no no i'm like oh neat

Starting point is 01:08:48 good to know so i guess we'd have to forge our own path there but that wouldn't that be super cool that'd be awesome yeah all of this sounds fantastic yeah yeah very cool so i guess i'll need a pool if i'm gonna do that but. But of course, that would be super fun. Oh, that's great. Yeah. So I'm I'm man, I'm I'm excited. I'm excited. It's going to be freaking awesome.

Starting point is 01:09:13 I also found this super cool thing that runs on the hot side of your air conditioner. So on the condenser side of your air conditioner it intercepts the refrigerant runs it through a heat exchanger and then dumps the heat into your pool so you can basically heat your pool with your ac and not pay to heat your pool that's awesome i was like wow that's having a heated pool is sweet but paying for a heated pool is not sweet not sweet not cool yeah oh man so which is why like a lot of people's just for i'm sure lion's nose but just for some context people that don't know a lot of people's home pools are not heated because it's not cheap it's uh yeah heating that massive body of water when it's not already like really hot out and honestly even when it is pretty hot it can be difficult and expensive yeah absolutely uh jamal taylor says water cooled solar gtfo lol i i awesome i think it would be

Starting point is 01:10:14 pretty cool to do so so right so but as we get into ideas like that i'm sitting here going okay well now i need a solar system that can be piped into home assistance so that I can actually monitor whether it's actually more efficient once we water cool it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I don't know, man. It's exciting. Theorica says offsetting the cost of a heated pool. The cost of running AC is still a lot.

Starting point is 01:10:43 Yeah, but you'd be running it anyway. That's the whole idea is that when the ac is running it's heating the pool instead of heating the air around your house you're yeah you're harnessing previously wasted energy essentially it's still it's still energy it's still there you're just not wasting it yeah you're not necessarily going to be pumping your ac harder just so you can heat up your pool. That sounds a little ridiculous, but you're utilizing it instead. All right.

Starting point is 01:11:12 So yeah, let me just see if there's any other sort of challenges that we've run into. I mean, honestly, just making all these decisions now, it's like terrifying because once we close the drywall back up, that's it. Everywhere I ran condu conduit that's where there's conduit and there's stuff that i you know fundamentally sort of thousand foot view understand like you guys got to realize i'm a generalist right like i will sometimes go and

Starting point is 01:11:36 i'll i know enough to learn so i'll go and i'll learn a bunch about something and i will deploy it or i'll make my video about it and then I'll probably forget 70% of it because I'll move on to like the next thing that I got to learn about and I got to explain to y'all. So I know enough about things like home theater to know how to research it. But when I'm trying to do all this stuff at once, figuring out where all the conduit's going to run, figuring out solar, figuring out just general homeowner stuff like the new roofing, figuring out the water boiler, figuring out the AC, learning home assistant, blah, blah, blah. When I'm doing all this stuff at the same time, man, my brain has just hurt this entire week, even though I've been on vacation.

Starting point is 01:12:19 Yeah, it's it's I gotta I gotta go research cell repeaters again, because I did all the research for that back when we put one in the office. presumably it's changed a little bit in the last six years so i gotta go do that research again but yeah i've got like one bar on the main floor and basically no reception in the in the basement it's like no okay yeah we're gonna let's get a cell repeater um so i'm just i'm finding it pretty overwhelming to, and to make all these, to figure out all these things at once, like home theater. Another example, fundamentally, yeah, I understand the basics. You want a projector, you want it a certain distance away because you can only zoom so much unless you get one with interchangeable lenses, but then you're spending a bunch of money. You

Starting point is 01:12:58 want a screen. Do you want an ambient light rejecting one? Probably not. It should be fine. So then maybe we can get a dark one because we've got light control of the room and okay, we're going to want, we might as well wire up for Atmos, even if we're not going to go, you know, 8.2.2 or whatever. You're going to want to figure out, do you want a rack for all your AV equipment? Do you want to not have a rack? Do I want to run a conduit over to the mechanical room and just have everything tucked away? Do we have a way to control turning things on and off from there? Okay, now I've got to learn more about, what is it called, CEC. So now that Harmony is not a thing, otherwise I would have used IR repeater. So it's like, I know a little bit about this stuff, but getting down into the nitty gritty details of like,

Starting point is 01:13:43 what part number do I order though? And exactly where is it going to mount on the wall? I'm just, oh, I wish I didn't have to do it all at once. But the idea of doing it all at once is that you open up all the walls, get it all done, close up all the walls, and then you can move in and actually live in your house. That's kind of the idea. Vanilla Donut says, if you're going to make videos of the reno, why not let your employees help you in the research?

Starting point is 01:14:16 I absolutely could, but part of the problem is that if I want all these systems to interact with each other, like if I want my water-cooled solar panels on my roof and my water-cooled on my roof and my water cooled, uh, condenser unit on my AC and my pool filtration and pump and heating system to all interact with each other. One person has to be in charge of figuring that out. Alert says just Netflix and chill with the laptop in bed. Like,

Starting point is 01:14:41 you know what? Probably not wrong. Probably not wrong. You need to shut your head down for a little and actually relax right but okay the problem is that if i relax and then i end up like wasting you know ten thousand dollars like this is a home renovation right the budget is not we're not talking like oh i gotta choose between the playstation 5 and the xbox one series x like if i could flip the one that i didn't end up liking on craigslist and buy the other one like it's not a huge loss they both plug into an hdmi cable like if i screw this up it could be a

Starting point is 01:15:18 big problem uh i need to water water cool my brain thanks our alias for the suggestion yeah get right on that oh next summer that could be a fun project like a portable head cooler yeah like a hat that you wear

Starting point is 01:15:38 my master plan for the cooling system here we go I drew it up in MS paint so you got your air conditioner evap so the cool air goes to a smart damper for airflow control so those go to each room or zone and then you've got your water boiler so hot water to the floor you got smart temperature sensors and smart valves for flow control okay and then i've only got two wires. So I put in a low voltage power source in the mechanical room,

Starting point is 01:16:07 and then I want a thermostat that communicates wirelessly with the smart valve, the smart damper, and Zigbee or Z-Wave hub that goes to a server running home assistant. That, this is my ideal world. The problem is that while sort of conceptually that works, finding the actual part numbers, very difficult. And while it's very easy to find

Starting point is 01:16:27 an automation expert to come in and do everything for you, every automation expert is trying to sell you their thing. And if there's anything I've learned over the last little while working on this project, it's that there are more home automation companies than there probably are home automation deployments. There are so many companies. I find out about a dozen more I've never heard of every day that I'm working on this. And I'm sitting here going, I have never even set foot in a house or boat that is automated in any way. Who is actually... How will these companies exist?

Starting point is 01:17:10 All with their own ecosystems that don't interact with each other. Yeah. I don't understand it. So I don't want a closed system that I'm stuck with. Like there's a really cool one that I posted about in a YouTube community post.

Starting point is 01:17:31 I forget what it's called now. Your channel. Why is it so hard to get to my own community post? There's no backend tool for it. You just have to go to the public. So stupid. Lockzone. Lockzone.

Starting point is 01:17:42 Looks super cool. Super proprietary. So if Loxone, for whatever reason, doesn't exist anymore, that's it. I have a whole bunch of Loxone crap that is now e-waste. Thanks for that. And someone was being very sort of critical of me saying, well, what are you new to tech? You expect it to be around for 10 or 20 years? Yes. This is not a cell phone. This is a house. Yes, I expect it to exist for 10 or 20 years. And if it doesn't exist, I expect it to be an open ecosystem so I can just swap out the one that doesn't exist anymore for something that does exist and have it interact with the other stuff. Yes, I do expect that. That is not unreasonable. And if we have gotten

Starting point is 01:18:30 ourselves to the point where we think that that's unreasonable, then we got to take a step back and evaluate people. That is not reasonable. Open ecosystems are what we should be supporting for this stuff, not things that only communicate with each other on their own closed protocol. So there you go. Problems I don't have. My place is small enough that I feel like any amount of automation would be pretty much wasted and useless. And I'm completely fine with that.

Starting point is 01:19:06 Well, no, there's things that could be very helpful. Like if you were out for the day and it became very sunny, your blinds could close. Be like, hey, we don't want it to be so hot in here. Thanks. That would be useful. Yeah, that's fair.

Starting point is 01:19:20 Okay. I don't think I'm going to bother do that. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Okay. I don't think I'm going to bother do that, but yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:30 i76969X says, pro automator here. We're busy AF. These homes definitely do exist. All right, fair enough. Also a note on C4, Crestron, closed systems. They're great for our customers because they're super reliable. And while expensive, I don't have to worry about them disappearing. Also the customers that use them don't want to tinker.

Starting point is 01:19:46 They just want us to make their system work. Okay, that's fair enough. That's fair enough. But what I want to do is I want to tinker with it, right? So there you go. Here's what it is. Benja Martin says, I learned the hard way that having easily replaceable cables in the wall can prevent a lot of headaches it's like yeah in theory yes but then i'm running a whole bunch of

Starting point is 01:20:09 conduit now when i don't necessarily need that i have wiring in the walls now i just want to use smart devices to find a way to use them um civilin says you should look at ceramic window tint for that heat problem okay so there you go there's a tip for you Luke anyway we've got some super chats to get through here so why don't we do that unless we've got anything else that's a huge topic nah it doesn't really look like it oh my goodness a lot of people sent super chats

Starting point is 01:20:39 guys we don't really like do super chats um lttstore slowplane.com yeah those are good ways to support Guys, we don't really like do super chats. LTT store. Slowplane.com. Yeah, those are good ways to support. Okay. Lewis says, when are the mouse pads coming back?

Starting point is 01:20:59 You guys mentioned them and I got excited for nothing. They're coming back as soon as they arrive. Right now, global shipping is a cluster. So they should have been here already, but they they're not so i don't want to promise anything uh oh mal says with the coal shortage thing that's uh because of china's trade war with australia and them deliberately not importing australian coal even though there's thousands of tons of it docked in chinese ports right i have heard about that china's real mad about australia the aussies kit says is this going to affect gaming laptop prices i wouldn't affect expect it to affect it as much no uh joe's way sup guys really interested in og water cooling like aquarium pumps sketchy

Starting point is 01:21:43 radiators tons of cold cathode lights is it possible to make a blast from the past Master of the Land Party Build blog? That's not a terrible idea. We're actually planning a video using a heater core for water cooling. That's what that weird car radiator strapped to the top of the case video was supposed to be, but there was a miscommunication and we ended up with a radiator radiator instead of a heater core and a video quota to hit so uh that's my admission that that video was not one that i would have greenlit making at all and i am well aware that it is not our finest work um layton says my linus sequin pillow got porch pirated which is a bummer but there's something satisfying about the thought of them getting all excited to see what they snagged only for it to

Starting point is 01:22:33 be linus's face on a pillow that's pretty great that is really great um okay austin says my fear is that the ftc will stop at agriculture and the anti-right to repair crowd will use that as evidence that right to repair already exists and doesn't need to expand to tech. Yeah, I think that's a big concern for everyone. Nathan says, I bought a house two months ago and living in it without water and I have finally got water in it today. I have such a higher appreciation for water now. Thanks, Nathan. That is a cool story bro moment if I've ever heard one. Wow. Mark Zimmerman says,

Starting point is 01:23:10 Hey Linus fan since 2018, how likely do you think it is that trillion dollar system houses like Samsung will just crowd out general purpose hardware manufacturers with heavily proprietary commodity devices for consumers? I mean, they already tried. The good news is that there's still enough competition between them so there's that um all right uh i think he means just i think that last super chat is talking about silicon shortage oh wait no i don't think so no i don't think so no okay okay uh qwerty22 says i76969x here

Starting point is 01:23:48 a deal's a deal luke the real mvp sent 20 all right got him thanks matt welke um victor says i have an old system that's showing a cpu bottleneck with a modern gpu should i upgrade now or wait for next gen and ddr5 i don't think we're that close to ddr5 i think it's coming like next year and we're still like six months away yeah um so yeah i mean it's always the question right should i upgrade now or should i wait you know what um i i would just as long as you're not paying scalper prices just just go ryzen ryzen 5000 man it's it. It's great. It's good stuff. Josh says, Hey, I'm just wondering if your stance on sponsored showcases has changed since we got a showcase on a Tuesday

Starting point is 01:24:32 in place of a normal video. I trust your ethics. Just wondering what happened. What happened was Origin actually just did not weigh in at all on the content of that video. Other than that, we had to talk about the specs, which we obviously would in any video anyway. They just let us completely do our thing. And I actually really

Starting point is 01:24:51 enjoyed making the video. I thought it was a good video. I thought it had a lot of actually good information. It was a very honest video. Everything I said was exactly what I thought because I was just sitting there going, oh, they're sponsoring this video and they have absolutely no guidelines for it whatsoever. Okay, YOLO, here we go. I'm going to make fun of giant laptops. I mean, they literally sponsored a video where I was like, people buy these things. So from my point of view, yes, it was a showcase in the sense that it was a fully sponsored video, but it also was just exactly what I would have said about that laptop anyway.

Starting point is 01:25:25 So I uploaded it on a Tuesday instead of as a Friday extra release. So that's my take. Thanks, Ecom graduates. Hazardous says, tell Luke his stash is great. Luke, your stash is great. I get positive feedback about it, significantly more than negative feedback, but I don't like it. That looks great.

Starting point is 01:25:48 It's the, the whiskers are just, they're so long. Yeah, they're great. That's what I said. All right. Um,

Starting point is 01:25:58 what else we got here? Angelo says, play star citizen with my Oregon. I please mostly asking Luke Linus is too much of a troll. Nah. Sorry, bro. First of all, I have my own org. U-O-L-T-G.

Starting point is 01:26:13 It's a thing. Second of all, it's probably going to be another like six months before I touch that game. Oh, man. And then after that, it'll probably be another six months. And then after that, it'll probably be another six months. And then after that, it'll probably be another six months. That's probably how it'll keep going for quite a while. Let's see.

Starting point is 01:26:32 Julian says... I'm fully not expecting Star Citizen to be in a state where I'm happy playing it consistently for probably like three, four more years. I wouldn't be surprised at all. I wouldn't be surprised. Julian says, bought a 40-ounce water bottle. I thought i wouldn't

Starting point is 01:26:45 get it at all it had been lost for so long i got a refund but i got a message from the postal office that it arrived here's the money back hey thanks appreciate that okay um uh kira says kira hosh hoshoro hiroshio kira hiroshio says, did you watch the Lewis Rossman video getting funds to put right to repair on the ballot? He also found out Steve Wozniak agrees with right to repair, needs sponsors and wants to get the word spread. Uh, I think unless it's a new one, I think I did. And I think I responded to it in a video.

Starting point is 01:27:21 Um, Garfish says, I actually did water cool a solar panel as a test. I glued solar pool heating strips beneath the panel. A temp coefficient for PV is like minus 0.25% per 1C above 25 degrees. If you can also heat your pool by cooling your solar panels. I am not familiar enough with those terms. Temp coefficient, panel temp coefficient. I don't know exactly what a panel temp coefficient is, but I'll have to, I can infer a fair bit of it. So it's like your efficiency gets 25% worse per one degree above 25 degrees Celsius. Okay, I think I fully understood it now.

Starting point is 01:27:58 It just took me a sec. It's look, it's Friday, okay? So yeah, it sounds like if we could cool them down, that would be good. Okay, blah, Friday, okay? So yeah, it sounds like if we could cool them down, that would be good. Okay. Blah, blah, blah. First time I was here live in a while. I'm super excited about the Mini SE review you guys did.

Starting point is 01:28:13 I love my petrol Mini. I'm glad it sounds like I won't have to switch away from them when they go all EV at the end of the decade. Yeah, the electric Mini is pretty cool, pretty fun. All right. What else we got we got here man there's so many today okay guys I don't know I don't think I can do anymore but hey thanks

Starting point is 01:28:34 great for thanks for watching the show apparently there have been things new I must have missed it I've been completely checked out this week ladies and gentlemen it's new as of the last couple of days so apparently there's been some big updates yeah definitely fully support his cause both literally and through influence we've sent him money we've made videos uh we're talking about it now guys it's a it's an important cause and it affects all of us all of us uh david crosby sent a super chat i'm paying

Starting point is 01:29:02 just to let you know that on bing float plane is not even on the first page. I can send you a picture. It doesn't surprise me. I mean, it's Bing. What do you want? Awesome. Yeah. So I think that's pretty much it.

Starting point is 01:29:17 Thank you so much. I do appreciate that you did like an, what is it called? Not archeological, anthropological dig to uh to find out that in in that weird realm of unknown space that is bing there is a search issue i do appreciate that yeah that was that's the lord's work truly but but seriously yeah it doesn't surprise me but i i mean i guess it's a. I don't even know what we would do about it.

Starting point is 01:29:45 Nice. Well, you can do some stuff. The forums, the LCT forum topic talking about Flowplane is the first thing that comes up. Good job, forum. Yeah, the forum SEO is a lot better. Theorica says, well, here's the problem. Linus sent the money to Louis Rossman instead of to Bing. Yep, I should have sent all the OnlyFans money to Bing.

Starting point is 01:30:07 That would have sorted it out. True. All right, thanks for tuning in, guys. We will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. sj hockey you can just buy a pre-water cooled gpu that has a block on it already then that might solve your problem

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