The WAN Show - Elon Musk Admitted I Was Right - WAN Show July 5, 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN show. I've been called a hater so many times for calling out the obviously misleading statements from one Tesla CEO, Elon Musk, but apparently even he agrees with me now because he tweeted out earlier this week that full self-driving may have some significant challenges working on their hardware 3.0 uh also in the news this week let's see oh man this app company is installing cameras in nightclubs that anyone can tune into that and that's that's a that's a service they offer wow that sounds horrible for like a variety of reasons yeah we're gonna talk about that what else we got this week uh nintendo says well there's challenging scalpers oh right i'm sorry about that come at me bro they're like you won't be able to that'll be interesting uh also i don't know man uh apple d-list vpns in russia yeah yeah that sucks so apple never cared about your privacy yeah the show is brought to you today by ecoflow squarespace corsair and of course our chair

Starting point is 00:01:36 partner secret lab you can check them all out down below this is great just only 53 goes never thought zuck would be my favorite billionaire uh yeah i mean he's definitely got the image kind of cleaned up lately but let's not forget that the zuck is imperfect at best you should always remember the the quote from back when he was at i think harvard when he was talking to his friend about how or whoever it was that he can get them basically whatever information he wants on basically any student at the school and the guy was like why'd they give you all this information he's like i don't know they're idiots or whatever i guess they trust me they're they're idiots or something like that yeah pretty good uh anywho let's have a look at our source for this full self-driving way worse than that they trust me dumb nice yeah so that's that guy just don't forget anyways all right so uh uh one mr elon musk x'd uh sorry for the delay this release has had far fewer interventions but suffered in driving smoothness

Starting point is 00:02:42 part of the issue was too much training on interventions and not enough on normal driving. So this is something I've talked about a fair bit before, where it's not, you know, can you go down the street and then hang a left and then hang a right and then pull into a driveway. That's not the hard part. That's not the challenge we're solving right now.

Starting point is 00:02:59 The challenge we're solving right now is the edge cases. And that's where you just, and I've talked about this before, there was just absolutely no way, even if they were an order of magnitude ahead of the competition back when the hardware 3.0 was released, there was absolutely no way that they were going to be able to achieve true autonomy with that level of hardware. Continuing to read his tweet.

Starting point is 00:03:23 It's like a doctor training too much on patients in the emergency room versus training on preventative care our next gen ai model after this has a lot of promise approximately 5x increase in parameter count which is very difficult to achieve without upgrading the vehicle inference computer so it's that last little bit that i've kind of been looking at going oh so we're finally acknowledging this now because for years now uh the official stance of tesla which doesn't have a pr department anymore because i guess they're just not accountable to the press or the public um the official stance of tesla which has basically just been whatever elon musk tweets uh has been that hardware 3.0 which they began shipping when i think i think

Starting point is 00:04:13 it was like five years ago might have been more than that uh first shipping no no no yeah i can't can't immediately find this right now. Ah, as of mid-April 2019. Yeah. So this was about five years ago. They started shipping hardware 3.0, and they said at the time, anything with this level of hardware

Starting point is 00:04:37 will be capable of full self-driving with an upgrade. Was that during the window of time where he had to bring the company to a certain point for him to get that like insane payment package? I'm not sure, but it's interesting that you bring that up because I do not see how there's not going to be an enormous reckoning. They have sold millions upon millions upon millions of vehicles since that time that

Starting point is 00:05:07 they have told people are going to be capable of fully autonomous driving i mean remember when on a regular basis this company talked about how your your tesla is going to make you money passively ferrying people around while you're at work i love that idea i love the idea too it's a great idea it really is that's a dystopia i wouldn't mind living in to be perfectly honest with you but it was obviously not true even at the time and as we went on it became more and more obvious and yet they didn't acknowledge it they still haven't acknowledged it in any official capacity other than this you know tacked on comment at the end of a tweet that i am very surprised that more people aren't talking about and that more people aren't extremely upset about me too i mean this is right on the heels of the tesla shareholders voting to approve that what was it like 56 billion dollar pay package or

Starting point is 00:06:05 whatever it was um so i'm sorry guys uh this likely means that the past stated plans to upgrade hardware three cars to full self-driving via a software upgrade are not feasible it is unclear at this time if this will also be a problem for hardware 4 which my understanding is extremely powerful quite a bit more powerful than the 3.0 hardware but not nearly as powerful as the upcoming 5 level hardware hardware 4 started shipping in january 2023 january 2023 oh wow that was that recent yeah okay so only about the last year and a half but something to note about hardware 4 is we don't have a good idea of what its capabilities are because right now hardware 4 cars are operating in kind of like a hardware 3 mode so so they're

Starting point is 00:06:58 using like downscaled imagery or something like that and the models are still small enough to fit on hardware 3 because splitting their development to working on uh to training models for two completely different target devices has not made economic sense especially since as far as i can tell in fairness to tesla their goal still has been to earnestly work on trying to achieve full self-driving on hardware 3. It's just that it wasn't possible because we weren't even close yet. We weren't even close yet. So that's a bummer. I'm sorry that you got bamboozozled what i want to know now and the main reason that i'm bringing this up is not to to dunk on tesla because this is not something new for me to be talking about here um the main reason that i'm bringing this up is that i want to see what the

Starting point is 00:07:59 accountability is going to be for companies that do this that advertise a feature is this a false advertising it should be but what what is the actual be for companies that do this that advertise a feature is this a false advertising it should be but what what is the actual consequences for false advertising features like luke where were the consequences for google when they got into that tiff with sonos and just removed features that they advertised on their smart speakers totally agreed yeah where is where is the real meaningful compensation for that happening and guys i'm i'm sure that the chat is going to start flooding with examples of times that these major companies we're not talking about companies that are making an an existential choice right like if i'm if I'm, if I'm, you know, Joe's startup, okay. And I I've released this product

Starting point is 00:08:47 and it had this feature and then I get hit by a, by a major lawsuit from Amazon or someone, you know, like someone with just colossal resources that could squish me like a bug, just keep me in litigation hell forever. And I basically go, okay, look guys, here's the situation bankruptcy or compliance we've got to turn this off or we're done we're out there's absolutely nothing we turn this off or we turn everything off exactly we are not talking about that sort of a situation someone like a google could could pay they could pay temporarily to license the feature or they could they could continue to keep it on the devices and pay whatever fines and penalties or they could and if they win the case

Starting point is 00:09:32 they could like uh sue for those back or whatever yep or they could recall they could recall the device that's totally an option yeah you can recall something you can offer people a refund which in my mind is the most possible financial liability that you should ever have for a product that you're selling as long as it doesn't destroy something else at the same time. Right? Like if I sell you this microphone and it stops working or it stops working the way you desire.

Starting point is 00:10:00 It has a certain mode that I like. And I remove that mode. Yeah. I think the most financial liability i could possibly have is the the price of this microphone um okay so let's see have you guys have you guys hit us with some other examples here oh surprisingly you didn't i'm not yeah i'm not seeing a lot spotify dropping car thing in less than two years yeah bricking the device was really really bad um waymo just had a a car drive in oncoming traffic.

Starting point is 00:10:27 Okay, all right. Well, never mind. What would be your ideal consequence for this? Like, what should the consequence... Let's come back to Tesla now. They sold two things, right? Realistically. They sold a car that was capable of full self-driving,

Starting point is 00:10:47 but capable with a software package that not everybody opted for. And then they sold a software package as a beta. So I'm sure if you get right into the T's and C's, they covered their butts and made it clear that this was aspirational but they charged enough money for it i mean it was priced anywhere between like five and ten grand at various points um in in the past five years right so they they sold this software package that theoretically had the capability of achieving full autonomy so there's almost there's almost two different customers we're talking about here the ones with the hardware platform that is supposed to be upgradable too but maybe they haven't paid into and therefore maybe aren't really entitled to complain in the

Starting point is 00:11:33 same way i don't think so much and then you've got the people who actually bought the functionality but who you know i think tesla would be very quick to point out, but who have been enjoying this beta functionality all this time for all the limitations that it might have. What are they entitled to? What should they be entitled to? If you could write the law for selling something based on false promises. I feel like if it was very clear that a false promise had been made, those users should be available for a full refund.

Starting point is 00:12:12 I don't think the company should have to automatically full refund everyone because there might be people that are happy, like you said, with the thing that they got and they don't care about that particular feature. They might not want a refund. They might just want their thing. But the people that get the full refund should lose access to the thing as well because i'm trying to think more broadly for like what other companies this could possibly happen to but they should be able to have like a retroactive way after the date refund if they want it but they should probably have to give the thing back okay well yeah i mean it's a software upgrade sure you lose the software upgrade but you can

Starting point is 00:12:45 get a full refund of the price that you originally paid okay but what about the car that part yeah i don't know because they because they're it's like i'm trying to i'm trying to think of other scenarios and there's definitely times where you might buy like you might buy an xbox yeah i was actually i was going there i was going gta 6 yeah yeah if sony said buy a playstation 5 right now it'll be the best platform for gta you're gonna play gta 6 yeah and gta 6 doesn't come out microsoft makes some exclusivity deal sure you know whatever whatever goes down i might want to be able to return my playstation if if the reason why i bought the console is the future of that game if i'm like i'm gonna buy a console now um i'm gonna buy one of them i want it mainly for this game but i'm gonna buy it now

Starting point is 00:13:30 yeah play some games up until then whatever i would be pretty frustrated but should they be entitled sure how to compensate those should they be entitled to account for depreciation because if i'm tesla i could be looking at a car that is five years old that i'm like what i'm buying back at full retail price that doesn't make any sense i mean you drove it who defines so this is this is an issue that i have with understanding automotive stuff who defines depreciation is that blue book there's like a central body that does it right i gotta be honest with you you don't i don't know who blue book is okay but they do it but are they a government agency i don't know i actually have no idea who blue book is yeah me neither i don't know who blue book is okay but they do it but are they a government agency i

Starting point is 00:14:05 don't know i actually have no idea who blue book is yeah me neither i don't know who like runs that yeah and even then like is is that can that group of people be easily auto nation who's that yeah i have no idea that's hilarious and guys guys blue book is uh it's a car dealership company yeah okay and blue book is i've i've found values in there that are so that are so far off like so so far off meaningful that i just i just wouldn't trust it at all and just is irrelevant to me because i want it to be not like Tesla that decides. Yeah, obviously. I mean, Tesla is full of shit, as we've heard.

Starting point is 00:14:52 Top Gear 1224, I forgot about this. Tesla literally told people, buy now before the price increases. Like, once everybody figures out what a great deal this is to get a fully autonomous car. Okay, people kept on saying Kelly owns it. Kelly founded it. Kelly Blue Book is owned by Cox Automotive. C-O-X Automotive.

Starting point is 00:15:14 No idea. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what the right solution is. I feel like I should be entitled to something and not like a $12 check from a class action. You know what the right solution is. I feel like I should be entitled to something and not like a $12 check from a class action. You know what I mean? Yeah, the class action checks where the lawyers take all the money anyways

Starting point is 00:15:34 are always so disappointing. That system is so broken. And it's frustrating to me that nobody who's in a position to fix it seems to treat it like a priority or not even priority as something that even is a problem. fix it seems to treat it like a priority or not even priority as as something that even is a problem like it is mind-blowing to me whenever i go down to the states how much of the billboard and tv advertisement space is taken up by lawyers because you can the math is simple

Starting point is 00:15:59 right a law firm cannot afford to spend on advertising more than, in the long term anyway, more than they bring in in revenue, right? It must be significantly less than they bring in in revenue, which tells you how big that industry is in America. The fact that they can spend so much on, and like how many people even get in a car accident? And yet I can't drive from the airport to my hotel without seeing 32 billboards for what happens in case I get in a car accident driving from the airport to the hotel. It's wild.

Starting point is 00:16:38 Some of them are super specific, too, which I find always to be interesting. If you get injured in this really weird specific odd way that you've never heard of before call me i specialize in that it's like oh okay um something random says well they should just have to upgrade the computers in the cars and that's a potential solution here but i mean if they did that i think that'd be fine yeah but at what point okay tell me this though if i'm tesla should i be on the hook for upgrading some car forever that you've been driving forever i mean if you said it was going to work i guess one or the other yeah i mean i guess that i guess

Starting point is 00:17:22 that's true maybe you just shouldn't promise things that you can't deliver. I guess. Yeah. Then the consequences. I mean, as long as the, if they offered an option, like,

Starting point is 00:17:31 Hey, we'll buy it back at market value or we'll, or we'll upgrade it. Yeah. Or we'll, what are the odds? They do any of this zero. I,

Starting point is 00:17:43 I, I have no faith if they, if they did it, then that's fantastic right um i just i will be the first to talk about what a cool and amazing company tesla is if they actually deliver on full autonomy for those hardware 3.0 vehicles in any way shape or form so if they somehow manage to create a magic model that works on them, then I will, I will. And it actually gets certified at what was it?

Starting point is 00:18:12 Like level four was what they were targeting. I forget the exact details. Level four autonomous cars. What's level four. Let me double check. Like double layer level four is considered to be fully autonomous driving. If they can actually achieve level four autonomy with the current hardware i'll be the first to say i was wrong i suck um i i i owe tesla and elon musk personally an apology um and you know what i'll say the same thing if to no cost to tesla owners

Starting point is 00:18:42 they upgrade the hardware to something that can do it. I don't think they will. I mean, we have- That would be cool though. If they did that, that would be very, that'd be cool. We have a long history of this company's management shortchanging people, whether it's not paying rent on the buildings, you know, for some stupid social media company they acquire

Starting point is 00:19:00 or whether it's, you know, stiffing people on their expected payouts for their severance like whatever it is there's a there's a long history here of just kind of being a nozzle so um good luck everyone sorry y'all here's an interesting one uh shraft 2k in philip lynch at said what about the cyberpunk edition xbox is sold that can't play the 2.0 update or expansion because that's an interesting one because that's really interesting that they sold that's not on microsoft or sony at that point at the time that they sold i'm sure they could play all of what Cyberpunk offered.

Starting point is 00:19:45 Yes. But then the software updated. But tell me this. If I'm the console manufacturer and all that ever goes gold on my platform is the shipping disk, which, I mean, it's a miracle that went gold in that case at all, but that's a whole separate conversation.

Starting point is 00:20:04 How could I possibly be liable for some future update that the game manufacturer rolls? And in this case, I don't see how anything would prevent the manufacturer, would prevent the console maker from basically saying like, yeah, we're not going to accept any future updates to this game on these platforms as long as you know you cd project red make sure that the the highest level that they were certified to run remains available on them i mean i i see a i see an easy solution that doesn't leave anybody holding a bag there so you get what you paid for and you don't get less but you don't get more yeah you don't get you don't get any new content or anything like that interesting sheesh i mean i'd be pretty annoyed yeah yeah i'd be annoyed too but like i have a feeling you have a really hard time reselling it at any good value but there's a lot of precedent for this already too like look at minecraft if you

Starting point is 00:21:05 if you like exactly right you see where i'm going with this like there is no way look at world of warcraft would you seriously buy world of warcraft today i expect to run it on a pentium 3 i was gonna say i wonder i mean you i don't think you'd even be able to install it. No, you wouldn't. Because you'd have to install it on like XP. I have screenshots of WoW on XP. So like... Here's the original system requirements. Let's go. Found this on Imgur.

Starting point is 00:21:35 Here we go. 2004. Yeah. Okay. Oh, man, I nailed it. Nice black and white photo. Here we go. Pentium 3 800 megahertz or AMD Duranon 800 megahertz 256 megabytes yes megabytes

Starting point is 00:21:50 of ram let's go recommended geforce fx 5700 class card or above man man ati dude always got such a such a they always got the shaft man in the geforce 5000 era the fx series was a piece of shit yeah and still they couldn't arse themselves to put an amd equivalent card in here they couldn't put 9600 radio 9600 in here i had an ati card back then no acknowledgement of amd what's our ati rather before amd acquired them no acknowledgement of ati whatsoever that is just man no no wonder they just never no wonder they have never managed to get there i think i think their uh their discrete card market share is down close to 10 now like it's, I think it's between 10 and 20%. Like they are just a complete non-factor.

Starting point is 00:22:49 You're still running yours. Yeah. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:51 No driver issues. Still running 7,900 XTX. No drivers. I haven't had really any issues with it at all. Nice. To be honest with you, other than when a bunch of water spilled through it. Well,

Starting point is 00:23:00 that's recently that happened again. Um, this time it wasn't my fault, but he's still alive. Yeah. whole system lived yeah that's actually pretty cool both servers lived mostly uh one of them a bunch of the nvme bays in the front are dead okay uh you can probably get a replacement you know what i guess it's story time it's story time so i came home um the night after the day that i found out about my sister's death i came home after land show that night and i had had a very challenging 24 hours already and i um heard like i was getting some food

Starting point is 00:23:43 or i was about to get some food and no one, no one else was home yet. So the house was empty. I kind of come in, I was going to get some food and I heard like a weird, like whining noise, like something like that. And he's checking in on. And I was like, well, where's that coming from? I go into the computer room upstairs.

Starting point is 00:24:01 I go, okay. Yeah, no, I don't see anything in here. And, uh, but, but it's louder in here and then it dawned on me it's because it's under me so i went down into the basement got louder and louder louder i got into the mechanical room oh no the loop for the systems so there's two in there. One loop goes to a heat exchanger and out to the pool. And the other loop goes to the heat exchanger and goes to the, um, uh,

Starting point is 00:24:33 goes to the systems. Okay. So it's the loop that's going to the systems that is running dry. So I immediately pull the plug on the pump. I'm like, okay, okay. What's okay.

Starting point is 00:24:44 What's going on here? Okay. Why is this? why is this reservoir dry can be super bad for them why is this reservoir empty and i go well maybe it evaporated like maybe maybe it evaporated and got an air bubble because it's not empty empty right um and i was like yeah i noticed the coolant was a little low, but I thought I, you know, you get a little bit of evaporation. But, you know, I didn't think it was that, yeah, I didn't think we were that close, right? Like I would have topped it up, and I go, okay, so there must be a leak. Where is it?

Starting point is 00:25:19 And that's when I realized that the server rack had peed itself. So it was, dude, it was gallons of water. That's when I realized that the server rack had peed itself. So it was gallons of water. And what happened was... The fact that gallons of water went through that rack and not... Hold on, we're getting to that. Okay. So at the bottom of my rack, I have a lead acid battery UPS from Eaton. Above that, I have a lithium battery UPS from Eaton. Above that, I have a lithium battery UPS from Eaton. Above that, I have an

Starting point is 00:25:49 air-cooled hard drive server from 45 Drives, Stornator. Above that, I have an air-cooled NVMe server. It's like ancient Wannick. It's like Xeon V3 or something like that. Yeah, V4 maybe. I think it might be V3. Anyway anyway it's that weird simply double one that has two 24 bay things one in the front and then the lift up one in the back that's an important detail for later above that is yvonne's water cooled but self-contained it's not cooled by the whole loop so self-contained water cooled gaming rig for you uh my one that is it has a valve in it so it can be self-contained if i needed to like go to a land or something but it could also be just the valve can be opened and it can be run through the pool

Starting point is 00:26:30 loop not the pool loop that the internal loop to the heat exchanger and then above that are the five one use for the land center so i started at the bottom pulled out the ups uh the lead acid one was off obviously so i i pulled that out tipped it water just comes out of it like okay well that's a bad sign uh don't you have a saltwater pool okay for the love of god guys there's two loops okay one loop out to the pool and it doesn't take in pool water okay it goes to a heat exchanger there's another loop that's just inside it's running it's running regular water with some iodine in it it's fine the tubes that go to the pool are are sealed and they go around the walls of the pool to take the floor yes yeah no they don't go into the water of the pool.

Starting point is 00:27:25 There's no pool water anywhere. Okay, relax. I'm not saying it went well. I'm just saying I'm not a f***ing idiot. I do this for your entertainment. Are you not entertained? There's a new Gladiator filming or something. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:27:41 I don't know about that. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see how it goes. Okay. So anyway, I pull out the lithium one which is still on by the way at this stage in the game it's wet on top and i'm like okay let's get this unplugged get this battery out like immediately yeah yeah all right i'm taking my time here because i just i don't have the mental or emotional capacity to think about what happens if all of this is dead at this stage that I'm at right now. Pull out Yvonne's machine. Tilt the water off it.

Starting point is 00:28:15 Pull out my machine. Tilt the water out of it. I'm like stacking up computers around the room on their sides so that water will drain out of them at this point. So I start pulling out machines. I start pulling out machines i start pulling out machines it's the third one it's one two three four five the third one out of the one use that somehow the fitting corroded off a block so it was literally just gushing water out into this system yeah this was not a leak this was a nozzle it was fully flowing the faucet was on yeah pretty much um where was i going with this you just pulled that system out the third

Starting point is 00:29:01 third uh system why did i start story time though 7900 xtx is still running fine oh yeah right right right right right so let's continue telling the story okay so i pull the system out and i realize holy crap yeah all those gallons of water went straight through the rack so any screw holes in the top and bottom of any systems like just it went through. So I start looking more closely at everything that I've pulled out. There's puddles of water or beaded water on motherboards. Thankfully, most things missed power supplies for the most part, which would be a more catastrophic situation.

Starting point is 00:29:38 You can have a short on a motherboard and kill a motherboard. You can have a short in a power supply and burn down the building yeah it's a lot worse right um so i got everything out and i kind of went it's time to go get that food that i needed it's all off now yeah it's off now yeah nothing's in any immediate danger of being on fire so the wi-fi is still working that's at the top of the rack so none of my family's gonna complain about any of this um well actually the kids are pretty upset that their gaming rigs don't work but i won't get to that later um and then the next day i come back it's a weekend thankfully it's saturday so i start to put things back together i put the battery back

Starting point is 00:30:23 in the bottom ups and i kind of go, okay, she's dead, Jim. Now, interestingly, I found one of the same model on eBay that obviously is shipping damaged as crap. The chassis is so busted. But they claim works for $500, which is like a tenth of what it's worth. And I thought that might actually be kind of a fun video, resurrecting my water-damaged UPS.

Starting point is 00:30:44 It could be kind of niche. I don't know't know anyway i was really tempted to buy it and ebay's got a feature now where you look at something and then go away from it and like the seller can send you an offer so they offered me 10 off it so it could be even less than 500 bucks i was thinking about it i haven't bought it yet but i'm thinking about it it's a kind of neat feature so i put that back in i'm like you'd watch floatplane yeah i know you guys you guys will watch everything um so i so i put that back in and i'm like okay this clearly isn't working so i don't even have the like nemo whatever four prong stupid connector now to power my pdu so that's my fancy power bar that goes at the back of the rack or to go into my 208 volt it's a 208 or 208 or 240 volt on that one 230 i can't remember but my 200 plus volt

Starting point is 00:31:27 outlet that i have at the back of the rack so i'm like okay i'm gonna have to run to the office and get like uh like an adapter majig or i'm gonna i'm gonna have to find something or i'm gonna have to go get a pdu that um or wait no i realized i was an idiot because i could have just plugged my pdu directly into the wall that was funny look i was not in a great state of mind so then i find that the lithium one turns out it's way better sealed probably because of the lithium batteries it's actually ip rated not for water but for dust oh but if you have a dust yeah you're probably sealed a little better than something that just like doesn't have an ip rating yeah fired up immediately totally worked fine kept a very close eye on it for many hours and it's working now so we're 50 50 so far for survival now i turn my attention to the hard drive server this has my on-site redundant copy of everything that's on

Starting point is 00:32:26 the nvme server however um a fair um it's been a while since i've like manually copied it and my automation stopped working at some point a while back and i was like i will deal with this and then i didn't anyway you know that you know how the mechanic with the broken car speaking of uh fixing things like that that thing that you have me cc'd on to to fix i took you out of the loop so we'd stop spamming you but it's moving forward that's super cool okay we'll talk about that later uh anyway so the hard drive machine i look through it i'm like okay water only ended up on the motherboard which means that worst case scenario, I pop all these hard drives into a different chassis or I replace the motherboard

Starting point is 00:33:08 and we're probably off to the races. But hey, who knows? Press the power button. She fires up immediately. Couldn't believe it. There were puddles of water on that motherboard. Puddles, sir. This whole story is so interesting to me

Starting point is 00:33:23 because in early 2000s if this happens they would all be dead like any amount of water on the board is dead immediately so much resiliency these days amazing okay i plug in the nvme server because i'm at a 66 success rate yeah dang yeah they be survivors right yeah so i plug in the nvme server this has the most recent copy of everything zero drives detected which is good news because it's not it's not like half of them or a couple or something exactly yeah so it's running a raid z2 of some sort i think i can sustain two failures and it's like a super wide stripe because yolo uh anyway the point is not a single drive's detected now this is a lot less convenient to move to a different chassis i mean where am i going to get a computer that can accept

Starting point is 00:34:20 24 nvme drives yeah but i had an idea okay if it's the back plane that's dead what if i crack open the chassis throw it on the test bench open up that that middle bay of 24 drives and start throwing them in there first drive lights up put all 24 drives in. So tedious. And like the tension's pretty high, right? Every time. Yeah. So I put in all the drives, I fire it up, and the pool doesn't show up.

Starting point is 00:34:54 But that's okay because ZFS things. So I'm able to just re-import or whatever the terminology is, and server survives. We're at a 75% rate here folks we have a component dead in one of them but nothing too serious i actually lied about the order a little bit the first thing that i did after i got power back to the rack was i checked yvonne's machine because she had to get some work done and hers worked so sorry we are at now like 80 something 80 something

Starting point is 00:35:20 low percent survival rate yeah next my gaming rig goes in no problem um next two and then this was where i actually found out which rig was dead because i i popped number five back in i popped number four back in and the number three was the one that didn't appear to have water on it from the top but that's where the fitting corroded right off that was the first one that i wanted to that i that i that i opened up because mine and yvonne's rigs could run self-contained so i didn't have to turn the loop back on yet so i didn't test five i didn't test four i opened up three and that's where i found the fitting that corroded off i opened up the block and there's a whole bunch of build up there so something galvanic corrosion was happening somehow within that block and i'm

Starting point is 00:36:07 still waiting to hear back from ek on what exactly their theory is they have some ideas they've sent me already i'm not sure that i necessarily agree with them but there's clearly uh something eaten away and there's clearly something deposited somewhere else which to me is pretty clear pretty clearly galvanic corrosion which shouldn't have occurred in that loop yeah everything in that loop was brass copper or plastic um so tbd basically i haven't i haven't explored it any further yet because i want to make a video about it the shoot date is next thursday so we'll you guys will be getting a proper update uh so i haven't tested systems five and four

Starting point is 00:36:45 because until i crack open every single fitting i'm not going to know what's corroding and what's not but what i did do was i took one of the other systems and popped open one of the fittings and they are immaculate perfect so it's that one very much in particular for some reason yeah so so story time though i have i i did i did try to fire up system three on the bench it's dead so it makes sense that's the one that it was flowing in on oh yeah so it didn't leak through any holes so i lost a ups i lost system three system four and five are still tbd everything else survived except for an nvme backplane realistically that's fantastic i i could not have possibly hoped for better yeah for a better result especially with that much water flowing through like that's amazing yeah uh so i'm i'm pretty happy i forget

Starting point is 00:37:37 how we got onto this topic but um we were talking about old gpus oh yeah right so my 7900 xtx oh right still working great ah so it's yeah so it survived that even yes cool in spite of everything that's good to hear yeah i'm pretty it was some good news at a time when i could use some good news yeah um i'm glad it worked out as as well as it did because it certainly didn't have to all right what are we supposed to be doing ah yes topic two luke would you like to pick a topic sure maybe one of our headline ones yeah uh app company installs cameras in nightclubs. A new app called Two, as in the number, like not T-W-O, but the number two, and the night, N-I-G-H-T, allows users to access live streams of the interiors of local partner nightclubs. This is supposed to be a way of helping users decide which nightclub they want to go to,

Starting point is 00:38:41 but many club goers are upset at the idea of having an unknown number of invisible strangers watching them while they're trying to have fun also known as stalking according to the app's founders they have introduced live stream blurring to ensure the anonymity i am just waiting for this feature to become pervasive everywhere. Because, I mean, realistically, there are places where this sort of thing makes sense. People would pay mad money for it, too. Having a weather cam at the top of a ski hill, that makes a lot of sense. Oh, yeah. Having a lineup cam at something like a ferry, that makes a lot of sense.

Starting point is 00:39:21 And occasionally, some pretty wild stuff is going to get caught on cameras like that and people are going to end up embarrassed but if this becomes a norm right because i could easily see the same thing happening for a coffee shop i could see the same thing happening for a gym what yeah look at the look on his face. That's so bad. But imagine... The gym is very bad. Imagine a normie, okay, who doesn't think about the privacy implications of this stuff and is like,

Starting point is 00:39:53 oh, wow, so I can easily see if the gym is busy and decide if I want to hop over there. Would they sign that release? There's so much easier ways, though. It doesn't matter. Would they sign that release? There's so much easier ways, though. It doesn't matter. Would they sign that release? Because this company, Tonight,

Starting point is 00:40:08 or the many similar companies that are going to spring up, are going to pitch this as a complete, you know, prepackaged solution. So you, you know, rando gym owner don't have to do anything.

Starting point is 00:40:23 They just come in, they put their camera in, and then all of a sudden we get a whole family of new subreddits r slash live stream gym fails r slash live stream nightclub fails it's gonna be great r slash club creeps um yeah i my my biggest thing that i immediately thought of was that you just have stalkers all over the place, especially at nightclubs. You'd have stalkers, you'd have jealous,

Starting point is 00:40:48 uh, suspicious spouses. You'd have all this type of stuff. And like the, the weird kind of like gorilla marketing that can happen for something like this to try to get someone to pay a, like a more premium subscription so that they can like better monitor if their partner is out clubbing when they think they're doing something else not underscore max says they could have a feature where you can only

Starting point is 00:41:10 watch for like 10 seconds because realistically that's all it should take to see if a club is overcrowded there are lots of mitigations that's actually a really good idea that is a pretty good there's lots of mitigations that could make something like this less horrible. But the thing about mitigations is that as soon as you implement them, the arms race has begun. There's going to be people figuring out how to bought it so that they can continuously have a feed and they'll stitch the whole thing together afterward. That is good, though.

Starting point is 00:41:40 It would stop most normies. It would stop a lot suggestion casual voyeurism yes absolutely there's there's also there's other ways to track how many people are in a building without a video camera sure yeah i mean you could use something like um like infrared you could use millimeter wave um there's that bluetooth thing that tracks people when you move through malls and stuff yeah you could if you could if you were doing it anonymously you could just detect how many bluetooth devices are in range given that pretty much everyone and their dog has a phone that would actually give you a pretty good idea probably not bringing your airpods to the club yeah or if you are then that's fine because

Starting point is 00:42:20 over a long enough period of time kind of average and a great enough sample size it would become just sort of a statistics problem then to figure out you know what constitutes busy versus what doesn't knowing that it's not one-to-one bluetooth devices to people gray bart in floatplane chat said my university has ocuspace sensors in the gym and library that anonymously track wi-fi and bluetooth signals to estimate the number of people in the space yeah just do that it doesn't need to be a camera but what if you just what if you just want to see if the scenes hopping but this is i i suspect the reason why it's a camera because these types of technologies to do this without using a camera have existed for a long time yeah but they're more expensive are they yeah i would think so other than constantly live streaming video um oh that's

Starting point is 00:43:07 a good question i mean the constant live stream doesn't have to be like quality though yeah okay what were you gonna say um the the cameras at the ferry i think that's just like very old this existed forever i don't know whatever it's just been there for a long time they could have something better but it's been there for a long time the cameras at the ski hills that actually makes a lot of sense oh yeah you want to visually see it yes it's a different scenario um and usually they're in places that are really obvious there's only one camera it stares at like a post so you can see the the like meter stick on the post to see how much snow there actually is if if it's buried um that type of stuff all makes sense a camera inside of a nightclub constantly filming doesn't

Starting point is 00:43:50 make sense to me uh the public webcams aren't typically live they do still frames every however many seconds according to qtc mvish 30 of what uh whatever like car lineup or whatever yeah that makes sense as well but i mean if you were trying to track a person you'd still be able to figure it out this is either car this is wild this is one of those things where there's just so many other solutions that it blows my mind that an entire like startup slash thought this made any sense yeah someone someone was like you know what the best solution is? This horrible thing that is obviously not the best solution. I have a really hard time believing that this is just like ignorance. I feel like they're trying to make money off of voyeuristic people, stalkers, things like that.

Starting point is 00:44:40 How does it make any sense? Why would you go with a video camera because you're dumb or lazy it's got to be incredibly lazy just never looked up any potential other way of doing man no i'm i'm such a firm believer in hanlon's razor like there is this could be very adequately explained by incompetence. A hundred percent. Yeah. They're just dumb. They were like, Oh,

Starting point is 00:45:06 commodity webcams can be had for $4 on AliExpress. Let's build a subscription model around it. Here's a, here's a potentially like a psychology question. If you're a really busy nightclub that does really well. Yeah. Would you want this? Do you want to advertise that you're full?

Starting point is 00:45:24 Do you think more people are going to come in like line up to enter? Or do you want to advertise that you're full do you think more people are going to come and like line up to enter or do you want to advertise that you're not full i have no idea i don't know i would ask you guys you know what clubbers prefer but probably don't know either let's be real it's friday night and you're here you want to go to the full ones you want to go to the full ones yeah you wouldn't go to a club that has like four people in it i mean that's true but like do you want to go to a full so is it a webcam right i forgot dan's other life he was like a dj or something right i mean that kind of depends what you're what you're looking for right i mean do you want to go and like really party hard do you want to go and have like something casual you know dan i'm it's friday night and i'm here

Starting point is 00:46:03 yeah i've been here and also saturdays like for the last forever you know they're open late right i went to go at like 2 a.m i've gone to a club i think one time ever uh i went with nick light and we went because there was a dj going there that we liked their music we went literally just to like listen to the music and then left when the dj left that's extremely valid i've done that thank you you know you go and get some bottle service you listen to your dj and then you go home i had no intention of like socializing with women i just i wanted to go see the dj i enjoyed the the set and then i left that way i didn't drink anything i don't i don't remember but I don't think Nick drank anything.

Starting point is 00:46:45 We went home and probably played League of Legends. You don't remember, but you didn't drink anything. Well, no, I know I didn't drink anything. I don't remember if he drank anything. This is hilarious. I love it. I mean, look, I would laugh at you more,

Starting point is 00:47:00 except that I have never been to a nightclub. Actually, that's a lie. No, that's a lie. No, that's a lie. I have been to nightclubs in Vegas during CES in my vendor relations days. I don't really count those. For real, I was going there to make connections. I was not there because I wanted to be there.

Starting point is 00:47:23 I honestly forgot about all of that. I've technically done that as well. I think i've actually seen some very famous performers there but i don't know i don't know djs yeah so like i don't remember but but there there were there were events where it was like oh yeah this is like a big deal oh one of them one of them. One of them. Uh-oh. Hold on. I know. Yeah, yeah, this guy. John Legend was there at an event one time. The amount of money that these companies spend on events sometimes is absolutely wild. Oh, who's that crazy good female singer?

Starting point is 00:48:01 I forget her name. Give me some singers uh i don't know man was it was it adele i can't remember it was someone super famous that google hired for uh for an event at one point and i was there i was like well i was wild might have been her i don't i don't remember i'm not gonna I'm not gonna say who it was because I don't remember um at a recent event Google I think it was Google

Starting point is 00:48:34 had a dude there playing music that I think is really cool no I don't name no I don't think it was Adele someone else someone like that someone with a really amazing um that's how you pronounce it with really amazing vocals or something anyway i give up what we're talking about oh yeah right right cameras and nightclubs we don't like it

Starting point is 00:48:57 any of them cool all right dan what's next oh it was alicia keys i think it was alicia keys oh yeah i can see her being available All right, Dan, what's next? Oh, it was Alicia Keys. I think it was Alicia Keys. Oh, yeah, I can see her being available. Whoa. Why so mean? Well, I mean, he's not wrong. Here we go. But why?

Starting point is 00:49:22 Here. Dang. Yeah. What is it exactly she'll make herself available yeah yeah i'm i'm i'm i think it was i think it was alicia keys um anyway she was great um yeah everybody's calling me savage whatever dan might say about her i was meaning exactly that yikes oh you're meaning that she would be expensive yeah oh i thought you know like appearance definitely has i know that's what i uh that's what i wanted to interpret it as but no like appearance fees are normally seven figures oh yeah i mean not for her apparently but

Starting point is 00:50:00 oh just about almost got him uh okay, yeah. Explain merch messages. Oh, wow. Ooh, it's an exciting day for merch messages. My friends, Lime Day is officially back. That's right. Right now? Well, sort of. It's going to be July 16th to July 19th on LTTstore.com. This is one of our biggest deal events of the year because, hey, we figure if Amazon's going to make up a bull nonsense shopping holiday,

Starting point is 00:50:29 then we might as well participate too, except ours is going to be good. That's the difference between Prime Day and Lime Day. We're going to have some of LTT Store's sweetest deals of the year. We're promising up to 60 off select items which is pretty wild you can actually sign up to make sure that you get notified here we go you can sign up to make sure you get notified of deals as quickly as possible over at ltd store.com pages lime dash day some people are apparently having issues with the confirmation email um oh this isn't this is a

Starting point is 00:51:05 gorgeous form well it's a our own form that sends wait i've got a picture to show and it has a qr code or something oh okay what i'm supposed to do well hold on this is very important so uh by signing up for emails you consent to receive marketing emails from ltd and blah blah blah blah blah you can unsubscribe at any time okay anyway it's coming in 10 days so you're going to want to sign up to get first dibs there's upcoming deals there's going to be

Starting point is 00:51:28 a screwdriver combo deal and many more it's going to be wild but even more wild is if you guys want to send a merch message today

Starting point is 00:51:35 we have as a Wancho exclusive two early deals what what you can't do that yes we can we can do anything

Starting point is 00:51:44 we want you own the store we are lttstore.com oh would you like a tracksuit maybe would you like a tracksuit for 30 us dollars oh this is a crazy deal whoa we have some leftover tracksuits right that's the whole thing the whole thing you select your jacket you select your joggers you add them to the cart you leave a merch message and it's yours for 30 they are the top seller today that makes sense already that makes sense we didn't even talk about them yet i know pants and a jacket uh okay well anyway um hold on let me well okay dang it i love our site there it is uh okay uh if you were wondering you know is this a quality track jacket all you got

Starting point is 00:52:33 to do is check out the reviews uh yeah little bit i am skeptical of youtubers merch as much as i'd like to support those i like i myself don't make a lot of money so i only consider things i know are good i've read and heard a lot of good things about ltd stuff blah blah blah blah blah blah when i first got it blah blah blah blah blah blah took it out on a run and i've barely taken it off since let's go look you can't i i couldn't i couldn't even chat gpt myself please do wash it though yeah yeah please please wash it take it off to wash yeah i couldn't even chat GPT myself. Please do wash it, though. Yeah, please wash it. Take it off to wash. Yeah, I couldn't even chat GPT better testimonials

Starting point is 00:53:10 than the ones we have from our customers. The products are outstanding. So what you're saying is you could write them better yourself. What? No. Okay. Also, in other news, the Retro Polar Fleece. We don't have many of these left. There's a small handful of these left.

Starting point is 00:53:25 If you want to pick one up in the delightful retro colorway or just the black and gray, you know, I guess still okay colorway. I like the retro one better. Anyway, we're blowing these away for $19.99. We really don't have a ton of them though. So it's a great product. If you want one of these, go grab it. Quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick.

Starting point is 00:53:46 All right, preview deals. There you go. And the best part is I get to write it off. And here's a thing. Oh, right, I never explained merch messages. No, no, no, you got to show the picture. Oh. There it is.

Starting point is 00:54:01 Oh, yeah. Yeah, scan the QR code for notifications cool uh oh someone's saying is this a regional deal it shouldn't be your order cannot be shipped to the selected address uh dan do you mind firing that over to nick to see if anything's blah blah yeah anyway new york islander says i love my polar fleece it was my sweater of choice for family parties over the fall and winter buy another one then all right cool i know it's summer but there's good you know that the seasons change predictably right there will be an opportunity to wear a winter garment i don't know about that oh man do we have shorts on sale right now? Not today.

Starting point is 00:54:49 Yeah, but like we... Oh, like just for sale at all? I'm actually not sure. It's a good question. Oh, there's one other update before we do merch messages. We don't have the swim trunks. So the way merch messages work, you add the item you want to your cart. There's a little box where you can type

Starting point is 00:55:01 what you want to be your merch message. It'll go to Producer Dan, who will reply to it, or who will blast it up on the bottom of the screen down here or who will forward it to someone who can answer you or who will curate it for me and luke to respond to on the show dan's going to show you how it works in one moment after i just give you guys a reminder that the lmg garage sale is tomorrow yeah it's from 10 a.m to 2 p.m at the labs building which is just on google maps um we have 400 plus items keyboards mice headsets speakers computer components we actually found some backpacks that we can sell at the garage sale that may have light scuffs or marks but are

Starting point is 00:55:35 perfectly functional no other ltd store items will be available for purchase you must find street parking somewhere we do not have a big parking lot and it's credit debit only. So either street parking or use public transit. That's the word I was looking for. Should we fly in for this? No, you should not. You will definitely spend more on your plane ticket than you will save.

Starting point is 00:55:58 People ask that every time. I know, don't. It sounds like a talking point at this point. I know. It's not. This is not reverse psychology. Don't fly out't fly over this not fly out for this it's not like a meet and greet it would be very bad and dumb do not yeah cool all right dan you want to show us how merge messages work i just got like a thousand well that's what happened you should have thought of that yeah it's my fault

Starting point is 00:56:22 really yeah uh let's do three why not hello darius van and cook any thoughts about the current state of game optimization it feels like triple a games lately have increasing minimum requirements with barely improved graphical quality uh oh wait hold on i just want to say something really quick you guys are ordering up these track jackets and joggers like by the bucket full um if you'd consider buying something else you know theoretically loss leaders are supposed to serve a purpose where like you buy something that has some margin in it and we don't totally lose our shirts um i'd be pleased as punch if you would also buy something else because these are priced well below our cost.

Starting point is 00:57:07 We're just trying to make some room in the warehouse. You know? So yeah, maybe... Why don't I pick out a couple of items for you that have decent margin, okay? That are relatively new arrivals, perhaps. Oh God, why do we have a sold-out item? Oh, I have a comment here from uh from nick light oh you could pick up a retro monitor pet cave see look reviews are in already and they love it

Starting point is 00:57:33 see look great cave my cats love it so you could pick up a little pet cave it looks like a cute little crt monitor hold on i'll get to you in a second dan first i need to find some stuff with martin you could buy a screwdriver uh you could... Do we have backpacks in stock? Yes, we do. You could buy a backpack. You could pick up our stylish dip-dye hoodie. What else? Oh, you could get a desk pad. You could pick up

Starting point is 00:57:55 a desk pad. We have desk pads. There they are. We have lots of different colors and styles. They really are a great deal, but we do have some margin on them, especially if you buy a smaller size. The smaller size ones have more margin. You could buy a t-shirt.

Starting point is 00:58:10 Oh, man, our margin sucks on t-shirts. Retro Monitor Cave is almost sold out. There's only about 10 left. Oh, what? Yeah, we burned through almost all of them last week on the WAN show. Oh, balls. 14 left, 14 left. Oh oh you could buy a labs phase

Starting point is 00:58:29 pullover hoodie you know what buy buy a dropout the dropout stuff is so underrated yeah it's so comfortable buy a dropout hoodie or dropout uh track pant or sweatpants it's all very comfortable yeah they're really good it's my favorite stuff to put on after i like shower after a workout yeah drop out sweatpants go get them see look literally five stars good stuff okay yeah please buy something other than just the lost leader and as nick light says uh we're losing loads of money right now so clearly the deal is working lol okay what's the best rain gear on ltt store oh we actually have a really nice uh we have a really nice jacket here you go um get this one i know it says windbreaker but it's um if it was on any other store it would be called waterproof but we call it water resistant

Starting point is 00:59:26 because we're pedantic like that but it's rated for 10 000 millimeters which is 10 meters of water resistance rating um dual layer membrane aqua seal zippers that we we should we should probably market this differently it's a a really, really nice jacket. It's very nice. Sorry for not being super communicative. I've been using you carrying the show as time to help Dan not get buried. Oh.

Starting point is 00:59:54 Right, that's a concern. I've been working on the dashboard. A lot of them are like, wow, this is awesome, thank you. Okay, cool. Dan's got this. I'm fine. I'm used to this now.

Starting point is 01:00:02 Why don't we do a couple of merch messages then? Maybe Luke could pick them so that Dan can keep clicking on things. I'll be okay. Okay, Dan's got this. I'm fine. I'm used to this now. Why don't we do a couple merch messages then? Maybe Luke could pick them so that Dan can keep clicking on things. I'll be okay. Okay, Dan's got it. Don't take his jaw! He's got it. I have one thing to do here. File union grievance!

Starting point is 01:00:13 Don't say that word. What, union or grievance? He didn't mean it! Who knows? Everything is fine here. What is the past trauma that i'm triggering here dan no nothing nothing nothing all right uh let's see uh didn't i already ask you one and then you told me to shut up let's see what is it what is it about the triple a games scrappy dp asks

Starting point is 01:00:36 which is more profitable the track suit or the badminton center track suit easy yeah you could say that about a lot of things streaming i wonder how much wan shows cost you oh dude i could tell you what don't tell them oh like the floatplane streaming costs oh i have no idea like just one one really what is one one we're fine full plane's fine but i thought we don't even i thought i thought we don't how many i thought you don't even know how many people watch live how can you possibly know how much it's costing we know how much data goes through well then why don't you know how many people are watching because quality levels and all this other type of thing i bet you could i've told you forever we can approximate

Starting point is 01:01:23 it's just not accurate oh yeah this has always been the case how much does my show cost oh a lot i'd have to like look it up but like you said you said you could tell me and then you're just gonna give me a giant team here second well realistically aj is probably looking it up already if he's around almost certainly i haven't seen what i more meant was the total over the years though okay so what's that i have to look it up i feel like i didn't mean i could tell you right now i feel like you're doing a bit i was telling you that's something that i can like that's a number that i can get for you and it's really high wait hold on hold on how do people on floatplane know how many viewers there are they say there's about 800 something viewers also guessing based off of the viewer list.

Starting point is 01:02:07 But as I have to say every time, the viewer list doesn't work 100% because there's different add-ons people can have in their browsers that block things that result in the viewer list not showing it. Maybe if I was a competent CTO, we'd be able to do this. Wow. We can. Oh, dude, no problem. No problem. I'll hire a hundred times

Starting point is 01:02:27 more the developers we have right now we'll solve all these different problems for you you're gonna have to get that through terry not an issue in the slightest any problem you have with flowplane we can solve very quickly it just takes lots more money than we're spending right now no no issue um but yeah the viewer list is always less than the actual amount of people watching right because if someone has ad block on or something like that and basically always there's at least a few people in that category and it's not just ad block not all ad blockers were blocked in our audience privateers uh it's been a while since the last time we like checked which things will actually block the viewer

Starting point is 01:03:05 list um if i remember i'm not gonna like go through them right now but a lot of the popular ones don't um because it's been like they've understood it's not a problem and it's it's been reported enough that it's not a problem but there are pretty much always um some that do block it got it it is what it is it's not something that we've like worked on because who cares fine yeah i'm over it yep march message sure dan hello daria spannon cook any thoughts about the current state of game optimization oh right you read this already like triple a games lately have increasing minimum requirements with barely improved graphics quality cheers ah okay it's diminishing returns on fidelity so like they're they're making improvements they might even still be making 10 improvements but it's 10 on something that's

Starting point is 01:03:53 already really high so it's hard for you to be able to really tell and if this highlights anything i think it's the cleverness of old school developers oh yeah the kinds of the kind i remember watching this this video on like how they did scope reflections back before reflections weren't a thing and it was like it was this wild thing where there was like there was like a fake alternate version of the skybox of the or like something and it would invert it and just like it the whole thing was fake the whole thing was fake but you would never notice it in a thousand years of playing of playing the game um and and so a lot of what you're seeing today is oh but we did scope reflections but real and it's super computationally intensive scope reflection yeah it's super intensive but the the meaningfulness

Starting point is 01:04:46 to you the average gamer is basically zero so it feels like okay so look at something like vegetation okay do you remember the first game that popped up where they showed like oops uh where they show actual reactive vegetation yeah a character model like crouching through ferns or something what game was it was it crisis 2 or something probably i don't know it was it was it was it was something but they there was like this like kind of viral thing where they showed a player character like crouching and going through like some dense vegetation and like a like a fern like like like almost like it was on a hinge like moves out of the way and then goes back super cool conrad said volumetric footsteps and sand snow and mud yeah like snow runner having like your tires make proper imprints

Starting point is 01:05:36 into the ground stuff like that's crazy yeah but the thing is that not really anymore but it was crazy when it happened we were able to do a big leaf thing on a hinge you know 15 years ago or whenever that game came out was it far cry it might have been far cry uh far cry was such a good game you should play it you've never played the original one yeah i watched you play it you streamed it one night but um okay so we could do that 15 years ago so now okay you can have like you know 25 hinges on this plant you know for this bunch of leaves and this bunch of leaves is that making that meaningful a difference to everyday gameplay if you're going from you know 10 polygons to 12 it's like whoa world changing if you're going from 10 000 polygons to 12 000 polygons it's like

Starting point is 01:06:27 it's not that big of a deal it already looked pretty good i don't know so there's a big that so there's a big kind of diminishing returns factor here and another another key thing to understand is that when you're looking at new games that are coming out how good they're going to look is so dependent these days on where we are in the current generation console life cycle so what i suspect is that we're going to start to get our and realistically we already are starting to get now that we're deep enough into playstation 5 and xbox series we're starting to get games that really do look and behave meaningfully differently from the games that were designed for the last generation consoles. And as developers continue to squeeze more performance out of these current gen consoles,

Starting point is 01:07:16 we're going to start to see them to, we're going to start to see them utilize them in ways that are more meaningful to gameplay, whether that comes in the form of more destructive environments or whether that comes in the form of more interactive elements and environments like the accurate tire tracks in the snow. Does that change gameplay a lot? No, but what I bet you would find is if you go back and play an older game that just has two versions of the snow texture, one with a tire mark down the middle of it and one without it right you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna be playing that game and you're gonna go man this feels like janky and kludgy yeah um it's it's smaller less noticeable stuff yeah so i think part of it is that it's not as exciting to go forward as it is jarring to go backward um and lighting is a

Starting point is 01:08:07 big part of that lighting is so hard we're also not running into as much of like uh like when we were growing up you see like the first 3d game yeah and it's like oh wow and then you see like the first 3d game that doesn't look like but yeah and it's like oh wow and then the first 3d game with physics that like actually matter and stuff like there's these really big like oh my goodness technological jumps and now we're we've we've passed a lot of those i think in in the sense of the things that we've traditionally done in video games and the the hurdles that are the most obvious to jump over there's still stuff that people are going to figure out to do that's really cool technologically um but a lot of the obvious ones are done now um so when a new game comes out i don't think the graphical fidelity is necessarily the main thing that people are are looking for um i don't remember

Starting point is 01:09:02 the name of that game that came out recently but it was like megabytes it was tiny animal well people love it because it has an art style the art style itself matters now there isn't so many limitations to art style anymore i mean look at star citizen um like they're just they're just cranking everything so i don't know yeah i think that's it all right let's see dl grok question mark i don't know yeah i think that's it all right let's see dll grok question mark i don't know remember when this was exciting but it like actually was yeah like that was that was crazy yeah wow the bottle comes out like look at those face yeah yeah you know like it's and and it's not just you're completely flat like there's a nose

Starting point is 01:09:45 you got a polygon there yeah that's that was nuts that was wild and like the hair the hair is like like 20 polygons it's not just painted onto the circle that is her head like there's other things going on yeah textured it's textured look at these textures like that looks like you know like old and stuff yeah wasn't half-life one the first game with uh bones people had bones i don't remember that is that right if i understand correctly that was like the first game that used skeletal models i think half-life has always been like the new tech kind of thing i don't know if that's accurate or not uh some people in chat are saying i think so there was also there was a huge amount of innovation movement for a long time there

Starting point is 01:10:31 the titanfall games a bunch of the cod games and stuff like that we're really working on like parkour stuff sliding different things like that that's where a lot of technological advancement was for a while reversal right now it feels like lighting yeah it's like the main focus of the industry lighting and lumen and you really won't notice it like i said going forward and then you'll go back and be like this just looks so flat and dull it feels old you don't necessarily know why yeah lighting color hdr uh those gonna that's a oh that's a big one right like if you're running one of the latest games and you're running it on a non-hdr display i i would make the argument that for a triple a game that's really designed to be played on you know a thousand nit peak brightness display in hdr you are probably not having the full experience of what it's supposed to look like because of

Starting point is 01:11:21 how much they're investing in that lighting technology in that game yeah and like obviously lighting and character movement these are things that people have worked on forever but there was a bit of a character movement renaissance a little while ago with those games that i mentioned and lighting has been a huge focus for a while now i don't necessarily know what will be next but then i i've been seeing some interesting stuff with uh procedural animations so you only have to make like six poses I mean this is all Unreal Engine 5 stuff but that's too cutting edge to be included in like the next couple releases

Starting point is 01:11:52 like simplifying things now that we're getting into super high resolution stuff like polygons and that sort of doesn't even matter anymore ray tracing is another big one but again that's lighting right so i don't know remember when ragdoll physics was the new hotness yeah

Starting point is 01:12:13 that was a huge deal wasn't that half-life 2 with the havoc engine was another huge leader in that i could watch this over and over and over again for the rest of my life and still find it funny oh my gosh do you guys remember this benchmark i've never seen this before yeah so it's a ragdoll physics benchmark from uh three mark i also do remember the first game i don't remember what the game was but i remember um yeah someone said prince of persia was the the big movement game uh sorry i'm gonna come back to what i was just saying in a second but brink actually um there's like first shooter game with parkour movement brink comes up i was so incredibly excited for brink and then they just like borderline lied about a bunch of stuff and it

Starting point is 01:13:04 really pissed me off and all my friends quit like almost right away they're supposed to be uh like a single player campaign but it was just the multiplayer maps with like a storyline intro video thing and then bots playing the exact same game mode that multiplayer played it was just it was bs brink was brink was rough but it brought parkour movement to the 3d space right in a really interesting way that's cool and like a long time ago brink was released 2011 it's a lot older than a lot of people think it's like vaulting and sliding i hate that 2011 is a lot older than people think it really is though yeah yeah okay uh dan hit us again sure uh dll grok i often wonder how much

Starting point is 01:13:56 foresight successful business people have starting out in early lmg did you envision having a logistics department a clothing line labs or a racquetball slash land center no i mean i think having a testing lab yes yeah that was something that i had wanted from day zero but it was very expensive and continues to be very expensive so it's a it's a big challenge to do scalably um in any kind of meaningful way like yeah we could we could test one thing um no problem but building processes around it um has proven to be extremely challenging i mean we knew it was going to be really hard, and we're not giving up. But it turns out we were right. It's really hard.

Starting point is 01:14:53 Okay, last one. Props to the team for how smooth the lab's website navigates, by the way. Oh, they've got a new review up and this is hilarious this will be the true test of whether ltt labs can be unbiased or not it's a review of the intel arc a770 this is a bit of an inside joke but gary head of labs is uh is very hopeful about Intel's prospects in the consumer GPU space. He's been in the industry a long time. A very, very, very long time. He's been in the industry a long time.

Starting point is 01:15:36 And he has been on pretty much every side of it. So you guys probably know he worked at Asus before he was here. But before that, he worked as aus before he was here but before that he worked as a writer at anand tech for a number of years and so he's he's seen the industry from a lot of different perspectives now he's back on the media side and what he has recognized is that intel for all of their warts um could be a viable competitor to keep nvidia honest and keep them somewhat focused on gamers um anyway so so we we joke about him being biased towards arc because he really is rooting for it to succeed but he would never allow that to cloud our conclusions about a product so that's the

Starting point is 01:16:21 that's the background um but anyway product overview uh so this was written up by oni i think right yeah yeah there you go written up by oni um so this is this is handwritten this is handwritten i believe actually i'm not sure i'm not sure about the rest of it but oh look we've got our interactive luma field slides so there's our scan of it and so if you guys want to see the latest iteration of the site uh you can interact with the charts you can actually change the uh colors of the charts oh how do you do that luke i forget how that's in your profile settings so if you click on the cog wheel in the top right you can do uh chart data color presets this this can be very helpful um if you have a variety of different uh like vision calibration challenges things so if you if you're colorblind in different

Starting point is 01:17:14 ways you can you can adjust it or if you just have an easier time looking at a different set of colors you can save it but it's set for your profile so you don't change it for every chart you just change it overall yep thanks i forgot anyway so the a770 it's a competitive mid-range card and as long as the price is right it's actually pretty viable you gotta admire the commitment i actually think it's really cool that they decided to review this so far after the fact partner cards are available for as low as 280 us dollars yeah making it pretty darn reasonable i hope battle mage doesn't suck dude uh we've got some other new reviews up so those of you who are upset about the ai voice on psu circuit uh youtube yeah here we go uh guys you do not have to listen to it so the the power supplies that we cover here, and we've actually, oh, we just got a fresh one up the tough power GF a three 750 watt, you can see these are

Starting point is 01:18:10 actually getting like, they're kind of getting views. Like it's not a lot, obviously. But for a unit that anyone cares about. If we can scale this, if we can do you know, five x that or 10x that this will be very sustainable in the long term, I hope. But anyway, if we can do, you know, 5x that or 10x that, this will be very sustainable in the long term, I hope. But anyway, if you're not into, you know, AI voice videos, you could just read the articles. Boom, look at that. Testing was incomplete due to hardware failures. This happened with two different samples.

Starting point is 01:18:39 And this is why what we're doing is important, guys. is why what we're doing is important, guys. Because testing a thing one time is fine for making YouTube videos. And it's something that we have been able to do for a very, very long time. But building a process where we can go through and we can methodically make our way through the product catalogs of the major manufacturers and separate the wheat from the chaff is really freaking hard um it takes a lot of equipment it takes a lot of people power it takes a lot of time and investment and we're finally getting there overall labs does not recommend this power supply and if we weren't doing this man there's categories that are basically dead in terms of independent validation and testing exactly and that's youtube

Starting point is 01:19:34 is where a lot of the money is these days and there's no money in written so um yeah i'm i'm so stoked i'm so excited for what the team is doing. There was an interesting thread on the subreddit asking, how will LTT Labs make money? And to answer that, they won't for now. But in the long term, LTT Labs plan, linus-techtips.com. I'm going to see if I can find it. But I wrote up a blog post like a thousand years ago where I basically laid out what the

Starting point is 01:20:08 plan is for labs and guys it hasn't changed uh the plan for the lab is still the same let me see if i can labs vision here we go i think i think i know of a doc that has it in it oh goodness this is going to take me a minute so uh luke do you want to stall for time for me sure you want another topic um no doesn't want another topic if you are on the lab's website and you do want to leave some feedback i know it it might look like a cookie banner but it's not at the top of the page there is a bluish banner that is asking for feedback. There's a link there to a Google form. If you want to leave your feedback there, it would be appreciated.

Starting point is 01:20:51 As much as I like talking to you guys in Flowplane chat and wherever else, it's very hard for me to take notes while I'm on the show, and it's a lot better if you just leave it through the feedback form. Okay, I found it. And actually, just as an example of how it's hard to do this sort of thing scalably uh we had some criticism of our battery life our battery longevity test that running it at 720p uh is stupid essentially um and you know what you're right there's arguments that you could make for doing anything else. You could do general web browsing.

Starting point is 01:21:27 You could take network connectivity out of the equation and just perform local tasks. You could manually determine, you can manually force which decoding engine you're using from YouTube. You could run it at a higher resolution. You could run it at 1080p uh there's all these different things that you could do and there's these these different arguments you could make but at the end of the day we have to settle on something and the reason that we settled on 1080p playback at 200 nits is that that's a bar that every device can hit so yeah looking at the latest thing you guys also have like an so that that's your like low bar test right do you also have like an expected use case test i thought so we have a stress test okay so we have we have uh an endurance test and we have a stress test what we would love

Starting point is 01:22:19 to have in the longer term is a general usage test and a heavy usage test but not you know with power viruses but right what you've got to understand is that so i had someone helpfully comment and this is a good suggestion it legitimately is a good suggestion i had someone helpfully comment in the in the forum thread on that uh laptop testing video that we should really be benchmarking every laptop away from wall power. And it's like, yes, you're not wrong. That's a really good idea. But think about the scalability.

Starting point is 01:22:56 If we were testing one laptop, no problem. Hey, John from labs, do you mind benchmarking it again with uh with the the on the battery okay but how are we going to scale that how are we going to ramp that up so that every laptop that rolls through the door is going to be able to run in in a in an automated fashion all of these different battery are all of these different performance tests where a human is going to ultimately have to be the one who you know disconnects things or reconnects things if we run things away from battery as well like the the number of interventions is something that

Starting point is 01:23:36 we have to consider in all of this and you know yeah in the long term we'd love to have a robot that you know plugs it in and then unplugs it and you know make sure that the that the charge state stays optimal so it would have to it turns out robots are hard yeah if you had a if you had a laptop that had really poor battery life you might even have to be constantly monitoring uh the constantly monitoring like hardware info to determine the current charge state so that you could stop the test plug it into charge for a little bit, unplug it, and then run the next test. Like there's, there's, there's the complexity of that is no problem when you've just got a human running a test, but the complexity of that, when you're trying to figure out how to create a workflow for this is very challenging. Um, so we're gonna guys, we're gonna,

Starting point is 01:24:21 we're gonna figure it out. Isn't that what interns are for? No, uh, we're going to figure it out. Isn't that what interns are for? No. We're going to figure it out, but it's going to take a long time, and maybe it will never be perfect. But we're going to continue to try and do better and better and better and better. So back to the question of how will LTT Labs make money. Well, it's going to help create content ideas for LTT, which it already does. Affiliate revenue. Do we have links already? Yep. it's going to help create content ideas for ltt which it already does um affiliate revenue i do do we have links already yep oh yeah you guys should use them yeah i mean not on this power supply in particular we don't recommend this power supply but um hey there's that uh i also

Starting point is 01:25:00 don't have links on the arc no well that's because you can't buy that particular card. Oh. Really? Affiliate revenue. Advertising on site. This one is unlikely. I hate banner ads. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:13 So there's that. They also don't make a lot unless you do them in really annoying, really intrusive ways. We're getting into less likely things. Certification program slash third-party validation. I've laid out my arguments for why I don't think it's great. Turning our testing knowledge into our product development process. So you are probably going to see some labs knowledge in some of our future products. Paywalls.

Starting point is 01:25:37 If we start testing things to a degree that the only people who need to know are, you know, people making procurement decisions at large companies, then yeah, something something like that could happen i want this to be a resource for consumers though so this seems unlikely uh direct sales of products through the site um man sometimes i'm very blunt um i think it would be a very interesting outcome, though, because we're in this kind of dystopian hellscape right now where we actually shot a video today that was really interesting to me. We built the Home Depot gaming setup.

Starting point is 01:26:19 Yeah, right. My brain just about broke, too, when this was pitched in writers' meeting. But you can actually get a shocking amount of gaming stuff at the Home Depot. What? Yeah, especially online. And one of the questions that I just... It wasn't in the script or anything, but it just ended up being just a conversation between me and tanner on set was like when did every trusted retailer turn into a chinese marketplace like when and why did this happen yeah yeah that's true so also just in case anyone was like what like i was yeah apparently what if someone started then from a place of trust and then was like hey now

Starting point is 01:27:08 that you're educated you can get something good that could be industry changing and for the better in a big way yeah i didn't expect things like like knockoff apple keyboards to be sold at the home depot home depot it's bizarre dude that's so weird anyway is it sold on home depot first party or just third party sellers on the Home Depot website? Both. That, I don't think this is going to be a hot take. I don't think that matters, largely because of what Linus was just saying. Any website, any store that has built this reputation for tons and tons and tons and tons of years and then has, oh, it's a third party seller. It's not, you know, the most obvious piece of information that you're going to look at

Starting point is 01:28:04 while you look at this page and you can just order it and buy it whatever it's it's weird um stores that have third-party stores on them is very odd i don't like that amazon does that i don't like that a lot of these other places do that i think that should be left to places like ebay where that is the point of the website new egg turned to garbage yes their main competitive advantage against amazon was that they hadn't and shified yet and then they did and then they did it and then they just did it so much worse now i i used to like that it was like a little bit of a haven from that yeah i didn't know that you had the same complaint i could tell that, like, I could trust Newegg to have probably somewhere reasonably close to MSRP pricing, somewhere close to a representative selection of what is actually currently available in the market. Like, that's the other thing, too.

Starting point is 01:28:57 I can't even tell what hardware is in production anymore. Yep. Unless I, what, like, call up Zotac and ask for a price list you know because they'll have ancient like refurbished cards all over the site now from random chinese sellers i don't have the page up anymore but when you said you can't buy that a770 anymore um i i almost reacted and was like yeah you can yeah because i had just looked it up but then i realized oh it's almost certainly just a reseller, whatever site I was looking at. And it's probably priced at three times what it should be because I guess they're hoping that someone's going to come across a positive review for this card and buy it or something.

Starting point is 01:29:34 And look, being at NCIX, I would occasionally see people order long, obsolete stuff for ridiculous pricing. I'd be like, why did this happen? stuff for ridiculous pricing i'd be like why did this happen why i mean they must need it for some specific reason but many times it wasn't something that they would need for compatibility with you know some weird arcade software you know whatever right i'm technical enough to know probably that they just straight up didn't need that but they ordered it anyway and often at a completely ridiculous price and what really sucked is that as ncix a lot of the time it was just a pass-through listing from a distributor a distributor not like a chinese you know rando seller yeah so an actual like distributor who just happened to have one of those that they like found and it ended up in the feed and they would

Starting point is 01:30:21 sell to us at a fixed markup so we weren't even like making extra on this ancient hardware and you were just paying 600 for some old gpu and we were making you know 40 bucks on it around okay great rough yep zotac that's a throwback that's not a throwback zotac's a nvidia partner now i I think they're doing better now than they were 10 years ago. Yeah, they seem to have a pretty good reputation these days. Yeah. When I first got into computer stuff, no slight to Zotac, but when I first got into computer stuff, Zotac was the kind of not as good brand. They're like, oh, you got one of those.

Starting point is 01:31:04 I guess you wanted to like save money on that part of your computer they don't have that perception anymore and for good reason in my opinion red fogel says did some digging your titanium heat exchanger is probably responsible for killing your water cooling titanium sacrifices copper one small problem um the other fittings are perfect there's no reason for me to believe that that specific one is going to be the one that acts as the sacrificial anode also the fitting is made of brass which my understanding is um is that a similar spot like basically you need metals that aren't too far away from each other on whatever the scale is it's been a while since i've looked it up and i'm spotty on the details but uh copper and brass are extremely close to each other so it is possible that uh you know titanium would find

Starting point is 01:31:52 brass instead of copper as well but i i sincerely do not believe that that is it i i have a better theory that's based on my conversation with ek all right oh sponsors my goodness are we at sponsor time already good gravy uh the show is brought to you by someone i'm not on the dock anymore whoops i can get it no i got it eco flow power outages got you cooking your pizza by candlelight um our sponsor eco flow wants to keep those bad experiences in the dark and bring light to your life and your pizza with their new delta pro 3 what these are getting more and more unhinged i like this one it's a portable backup solution designed to power your home appliances the delta pro 3 can energize almost anything thanks to its 4 000 excuse me watt output via 120 volt or 240 volt you can even

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Starting point is 01:35:55 a button in the video description nice you can game for like oh well i automagically inserted the word with my eyes nice yeah linus is getting worse hey it's over guys got him i got some more merch messages here for you all right hit me dan all right let's see if i can find one uh hello wait hold on why don't we do a topic or two first we have done very few topics yeah okay all right according to xf1 senior systems engineer dan drury no as engine mode 11 on twitter formula one cars have an ip address when asked if this meant that the car could be hacked jury replied that the external actors aren't the main concern with this system. It's the internal electronics team who might accidentally connect to the wrong car or flash the engine control unit of a car that is already running. Drury then implied that this kind of thing had happened before

Starting point is 01:36:56 and had destroyed the engine of the car in question. According to Drury, he had the unfortunate job of trying to deploy wi-fi trackside and the amount of noise and overlapping networks in the pit lane gave him an aneurysm discussion question would you be comfortable driving this type of car if you knew somebody could accidentally remote detonate the engine i mean there's lots of cars that are very hackable yeah and there's certain reasons why i am happy that i still have the car that i have um oh actually i want to derail this you had a big budget let's say uh 100 grand us whoa so you got a big car budget that's like

Starting point is 01:37:41 a lot of canadian dollars that's a lot of canada it's like 135 000 something like that 130 140 000 canadian dollars so you can basically buy any any car like functionally yeah like obviously okay you're not getting a tricked out g wagon but you wouldn't so it doesn't matter um so you've got you've got a hundred grand and really what i'm getting at here is moderner features versus less modern or features but like you could get a really nice older car for that money or you could buy something new that would also be really nice but it might report your driving habits to your insurance company, for example. A hypothetical example. It's not like that happened recently in the last month or so.

Starting point is 01:38:34 Talk to me. 100 Acuras. Stop it, Dan. I like that. I was thinking, you get seven cars in seven colors, and then you can have one for every day of the week. I the biggest issue at that point would be parking them no you just leave it just like like you go millionaire mode but like go to walmart where you only wear it once except it's cars yeah yeah exactly uh an old imported japanese hillocks would be cool um the the only like i think

Starting point is 01:39:07 i don't know this might bother some people but driving electric cars is i find very not satisfying so dropping the gas engine makes me kind of sad also it would be incompatible with where i live we have one parking spot that you can charge a car in and uh emma already has an electric car so like me having electric car would be like actually genuinely very annoying um i'd have to like live off of the plugs here which a lot of people do which a lot of people do do or i'd be having to swap our our parked positions like constantly that would be a pain in the butt which would be very annoying so like i don't really want to do that if i if i did do that um there was uh you mean high lux yeah that's what he said, right? I said Hilux. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:40:05 Whatever. Do people call it Hilux? It's a Japanese word anyway, so. Fair enough. I have no idea. What's the name of that band? The cars have those like tall vertical oval headlights. Oh, Rivian.

Starting point is 01:40:19 Rivian. There was a somewhat recent Rivian announcement. Is it the R3X? Is that it? But I thought you didn't want an electric. I don't. But then like what else is super modern that I would want? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:40:42 One of these? It's on my screen. One of yeah r3x r3x it didn't look quite the same as what was on your screen but i don't know i haven't looked into it a lot because honestly there's a zero percent chance i buy one yeah i know so like i guess what i wanted to know is would you would you give up that peace of mind of knowing that your car cannot be remotely accessed for modern creature comforts and performance that's the question i think i will have to eventually i'll be somewhat forced to canada's making it so that uh all new cars that get sold are electric cars all electric cars are going to have these types of features in them

Starting point is 01:41:19 um i don't think there's any getting away from that even though it's completely unnecessary you don't have to have an electric car that has all these smart features and we could have cheaper cars that don't have them yeah I don't think anyone's going to go that route I don't think there's going to be cars that are available that way yeah I don't really want them like I'll drive my my partner's car and I'll like intentionally want to drive in a certain way but her like lane assist thing will like and i'm like that was actually dangerous pretty much every time it happens because i was like i knew what i was doing i was intending to do the thing that i was doing i was driving with intention and properly and then the car was like nope go over there and it's like whoa

Starting point is 01:42:04 man i don't know i found that especially bad when you're driving like construction areas with intention and properly and then the car was like nope go over there and it's like whoa man i don't know i found that especially bad when you're driving like construction areas because they'll traffic cone you across a line i'm not supposed to signal right now but if i don't signal the car is going to try to rip me over yeah and it's like man this is not cool actually i don't really like those types of features i understand they might help some people that's cool whatever i don't want them personally um i also have no interest in my car being tracked i have no interest in any of that type of stuff i don't need any of those features i don't care my car doesn't have apple uh play my car doesn't have uh whatever the android one is android auto i don't care i just bluetooth my phone into it it's fine it's pretty nice i don't care android auto was a game changer for me i would never buy a car

Starting point is 01:42:50 without it why what what particular feature uh just maps i just put my phone up yeah but it's like it's wireless now so you just don't do anything you just literally have your phone in your pocket and you're just in your car and then everything just works. I get in my car with my phone in my hand and I go, and then it's done. Which is fine. I don't need to spend like an incredible amount more money

Starting point is 01:43:17 to automate that. I can do that just fine. I'll be all right. I don't know. I love it. I'm not against it to be clear. I to be clear i don't have a huge issue with like android auto being in my car i just don't care at all because my phone can do the thing already i'm gaining no functionality bob says luke just disrupted android auto yeah with with with phones, people like this stuff.

Starting point is 01:43:45 I understand I'm not in the majority here. I just don't care. Yeah, that's fair. Luke is the biggest tech Luddite. I don't agree either. I just don't care about that. I care more about what my car can do, how resilient my car is, those types of things.

Starting point is 01:44:02 See, I'm surprised you didn't come up with something cool. This was posted by Langley Man in the chat you could buy two of these 94 rx7 five speed manual extensive modifications dang i almost me after a cold shower you know my car that i have outside was almost an rx7 i was shopping for rx7s before i got that one the reason why i didn't get one is because i don't fit very well in the car yeah it's very small poor rotary engine well maybe this guy's done a lot of work to it it might be something else at this point but oh there's there's no way you could still call it an RX-7 without it having a rotary engine in it. Come on. Yeah, people still would. A good old wanker modal.

Starting point is 01:44:49 Wanker modal? Wanker whatever. I thought it was like wankle. It's wankle. I'm just... Okay. I was just trying to get you to... And then I like did it wrong.

Starting point is 01:44:59 Oh my God, it's so funny. I can't... People, like enthusiasts for this stuff are so predictable. Every single time I say that, they immediately unironically correct me. It's like, guys, I know, I know. That's probably my phone blowing up

Starting point is 01:45:19 from someone internally who's upset about it. Just relax, I know. Yes, wankle. Okay. I'm 6'4 and fit in an NA Miata. I've actually had people tell me that I should try sitting in a Miata. My biggest thing is,

Starting point is 01:45:34 I'm like tall average, I'd say. But almost all my height is in my torso. It's weird. I'll sit next to people that are many inches taller than me, and we look the same height, and then we stand up, and I'm like short compared to them. It's odd.

Starting point is 01:45:53 I constantly get people that will, because if I sit up, my chair is at the bottom, his is at the top, and if I sit up properly, I'm still taller than he is. People constantly at shows will come up to me and say that i'm a lot shorter than they expected did you know this really i get that every single time i go to a show at least one person and the answer is always because they see our delta and expect me to be like enormous right okay and i'm like well no my torso is just really tall and we're often auto

Starting point is 01:46:22 correcting for like leg length i don't know. Whatever. It is what it is. So I have traditionally had a bit of an issue with sitting in cars, but everyone tries to scoot their seat up to give me extra leg room, and I'm like, yeah, that's actually not the problem. That's not going to help me very much at all, actually. My legs are probably fine. Poor Luke. It's tough to be Luke.

Starting point is 01:46:41 It's all right, actually. What else we got today? Ah, yes, the FTC tells tech companies to fix their bloody warranty policies. They've sent warning letters to ASRock, Gigabyte, and Zotac for placing warranty-void-if-removed stickers on and in their products. According to the FTC, this wording may discourage users from maintaining and repairing their devices in violation of their legal rights furthermore the ftc warned that implying that

Starting point is 01:47:11 continued warranty coverage requires the use of specific parts or services may result in law enforcement action according to the letters companies have 30 days to review their promotional materials and warranties and to correct any violations. I like that. Did they send them to other companies, or are these just the companies that are interesting to our audience? I don't know. That's a good question.

Starting point is 01:47:35 It would feel pretty weird if it was singled out to these three companies, to be honest. Eight companies. Okay. That makes a little bit more sense. Ares Health, Blue Air, Medify Air,

Starting point is 01:47:44 Oranzi, Treadmill Company in Movement, Asrock, Medify Air, Oranzi, Treadmill Company in Movement, Asrock, Zotac, and Gigabyte. Companies that market and sell gaming PCs,

Starting point is 01:47:53 graphics chips, motherboards, and other accessories. This is good though. Yeah, it's good. More. Do it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:00 Do it. Okay, what else we got today? Oh, we're supposed to do a couple, oh, we're supposed to do topics or merch messages, Dan? Well, it's up to you uh we're out of order now uh we still got about i don't know 45 minutes until when after dark so you're in charge um let's do those three because

Starting point is 01:48:16 we got to do them at some point sure sure yeah can do let's see um hello wan.dillpickles linus now that you're officially five months post beard how's it going personally think you look much better without it um wow that's a controversial take i i i still uh should i go get it yeah i'll go get it yeah i'll be right back all right is there another one i can answer uh yeah i think i have one here for Luke. Nice. Hi, guys. Hope you're all well. Luke, hope your brother is enjoying his job.

Starting point is 01:48:55 I've been in the service here for seven months now. Has your brother told you about any cool tech used at work? He talks to me about the different features on the trucks like i i went to his hall to tour his hall one time and he was showing me some of the features on the trucks that were really interesting and cool um the wildlands truck is super interesting um but outside of that i don't i don't particularly think so unless we we've probably had this conversation but yeah i don't know i don't think so. Unless you're talking about the features in the trucks.

Starting point is 01:49:28 Got another one for you. You're talking about new helmets that are getting soon. They look super sick. I don't know. Yeah. More? Go for it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:35 Question for Slick. I think that's you, right? Yeah. Do you feel that roles of tech lead and engineering manager are distinct, particularly for software engineering roles? If you have both, yeah. I don't think you necessarily need to have both. I think you can have a person who fills both of those roles. But I think it's also like if you have two people doing those two roles, they're different roles. But I do think that it is possible for one person to do both, if that makes sense. I don't think a ton of is possible for one person to do both if that makes sense um

Starting point is 01:50:06 i i don't think a ton of people are going to want to do both they're quite different things one of them is more management of people and the other one is more management of like tasks and quality and standards and different things like that um so you could find someone that wants to do both but i often find that people that like doing the tech lead side of things don't want to deal with the more management side of things and the managing side of things people often can't do the other side so it is what it is tech lead is closer to an ic yeah exactly yeah wow wow it looks pretty good actually okay so to catch those of you up uh who don't know about this i'm working on a little painting project uh on my bike so uh ignore this part that's kind of a lighter shade the

Starting point is 01:51:02 inner part has the effect layer applied to it. And unfortunately... Right, so I'm keeping the beard off until... at least until... hold on, hold on, we'll get to it. I'm keeping the beard off at least until I finish this so that I can maintain a good seal with my mask. Now, looks pretty cool, right? Only one small problem. Wow. Looks pretty cool, right? Only one small problem. When I spin it, if you look here, you can see it's not even.

Starting point is 01:51:35 So I didn't manage to get the mid-coat even enough. This has to be blasted and completely redone. Unfortunately. Yikes. Yeah. Oh, we're getting there. I'm learning a lot though i'm having fun um get it balanced at a tire shop yeah yeah sure thing that's not yeah that's not what he's that's good that's pretty good so uh anyway the good news is that the evenness on the frame seems good enough.

Starting point is 01:52:05 And that was by far most of the work that I've done so far. And because it's not in motion the same way, you won't notice as much if there is a little bit of unevenness. But the wheels absolutely just need to be completely redone. You should take this opportunity to do a mustache. No, I really don't need to do that. You could, though. Sideburns into mustache. I think the sideburns are still potentially an issue with the mask if they go far enough.

Starting point is 01:52:33 That's true, yeah. But the mustache is a classic because it doesn't interfere with the mask. You should just get one of the whole head mask things, right? And then it just seals to the neck. No. Okay, I got one more here for you and then you can move on. Hi, LDL. it just seals at the neck no okay i got one more here for you and then you can move on uh hi ldl i'm an intern at a company who makes li-fi and no that's not a spelling mistake have you ever heard of this uh if so any thoughts love the vids keep them up yeah it's uh it requires um

Starting point is 01:52:59 direct line of sight in order to to transfer data right yeah light to transmit data and position between devices yeah it's that super cool if i recall correctly there's also a wireless power that we made a video about like ages ago and like not you know dangerous microwave your flesh like wireless power like like totally like working wireless power like you just have like a wireless power hub and uh as long as it has line of sight to a device they negotiate a link and like you just have like a wireless power hub and uh as long as it has line of sight to a device they negotiate a link and like you could just charge a device like your phone if it had a receiver for it you could just like pop it on the desk and it would just sit and charge um but they just haven't seen the kind of adoption that they would need in order for

Starting point is 01:53:42 um them to gain any momentum neither of them them, as far as I can tell. What does Li-Fi do these days? Why does it matter now? I can't remember. Military security. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, areas that are susceptible to electromagnetic interference. Yeah, okay, I could see that being kind of useful but i just don't really i just don't really see what the point of it would be

Starting point is 01:54:09 for consumers i don't think it is super consuming like the the second thing on people also ask when you just google li-fi is why did li-fi fail uh but people clearly still make it not just because of this merch message but because there's like stuff possible to be purchased so i'm sure there's industries that use it and probably use it quite well but yeah i don't think it picked up on the consumer side yeah i still remember i still why why charge technology i still remember when i saw these guys at computex they had a they had a train running in their booth that was being powered wirelessly. It had no batteries in it. And so we invited them out to kind of do a demo on site for us.

Starting point is 01:54:52 And we basically just have their wireless transmitter somewhere. I forget where it is. Yeah, somewhere. Where is it? Yeah, there it is um yeah somewhere where is it yeah there it is so it was like a light fixture uh that had the wireless trans power transmitter in it and it could power this train i think we show the train running in the intro yeah yeah yeah there you go so i'm sitting in the middle of it to show yeah there's no wires there's no no uh no cables no tomfoolery just wireless power being transmitted to these uh these little trains that's kind of wild yeah and it didn't take off because this has been debunked guys

Starting point is 01:55:35 there's nothing to bunk or debunk it works what are you talking about about um the problem is that the cost didn't make any sense to integrate into devices that was the challenge and so when i talked to them at this point six years ago they were thinking less along the lines of you know convincing phone manufacturers to to work uh you know a convincing phone manufacturers to, to work, you know, a receiver into their extremely space constrained devices. And we're thinking more along the lines of like retrofitting facilities, for example. So, you know, like, if you're a cafe, you have your wireless power transmitter in the middle of the cafe, and then you have receivers built into the tables. And now you can offer phone charging through a USB cable cable like at the table um but you don't have to go like wire up all your tables right so that was one of the ideas that they were exploring but it just didn't

Starting point is 01:56:36 clearly didn't work out because i'm i doubt these guys still exist at this point. I haven't, I haven't heard about them since then. Oh dude, do they still exist? Hold on a second. What are, what are they up to? Okay. What's Y charge up to?

Starting point is 01:56:54 Uh, air cord. Okay. Partners. No drop down. That's not a good sign. Belkin though. Okay.

Starting point is 01:57:07 Various sensors embedded in the display. A lot of detailed store insight. Oh, interesting. Okay. Okay, so they... Why spot advertising display? Why Fred Smart Locks? That's a pretty good use case, actually,

Starting point is 01:57:18 those little displays in stores, because you wouldn't want to run power to every single shelf and then along every single shelf if you could avoid it, but having something in the, in the roof of like one of those like industrial style open roofs is easy to do.

Starting point is 01:57:32 Air cord products. Come on, show me products, air cord applications, electric shades, digital signage, smart faucet, electric tooth.

Starting point is 01:57:41 I mean, really, is this, is this a mock-up or is this a product your toothbrush current limitations battery power is limiting blah blah blah live installations now this this all looks like this all looks like mock-up still to me where is an actual deployment of this charging pad game controller like no no no okay digital signage do you have any actual yeah bunnies these are these are different things man um what's what's bunnies linking to

Starting point is 01:58:14 different things uh yeah i don't know bunnies you're you're you're being exhausting right now bunnies you're you're you're being exhausting right now um i can't tell what these guys are actually doing right now if anything marketing and sales why charge europe okay hold on a second why charge korea you should just call them just call them right now yeah what do you guys do i mean they're apparently hiring although i uh i heard about this recently apparently it's a thing that companies will do where they'll post a whole bunch of like fake job postings on their site so they look like they're to make it seem like they're successful and growing so half of these could be fake for all i know but apparently they are hiring people uh whether that's true or

Starting point is 01:59:14 not i have no idea do they still post on social media not since september of 2023 anyway Not since September of 2023. Anyway. Good luck, guys. I trust an actual engineer rather than a tech demo. I don't know what to tell you. I personally looked at the train. There's no battery in it. So it has limitations which we

Starting point is 01:59:48 very clearly discussed in our video it has many limitations in terms of the number of devices that it can target at a time in terms of the amount of power that it can transmit but it very much works there's nothing to bunk or debunk or unbunk or whatever exactly it is that you're talking about it might not be good for a lot of consumer applications might not make a ton of sense but it definitely works and it's definitely real all right what else we got today want to pick a topic uh sure let's see ready so we already did our main topics that's good we're moving uh fake news sites are pretending to be local american media outlets a network of websites likely based out of russia are uh are producing large amounts of ai fabricated news stories while

Starting point is 02:00:40 pretending to be local american news sources They are using a combination of relatively generic newspaper names like the Boston Times, as well as the titles of old defunct news outlets. The stories themselves seem designed to appeal to a certain American audience using charged political narratives and tropes. The most prominent of these fake stories was the claim that the wife of the president of ukraine used american military aid money to buy a four million euro bugatti from a shop in paris the claim was quickly debunked as the forged invoice published alongside it contained several errors likewise bugatti released a public statement denying the allegation not that they'd probably be super public about their client list anyways uh nonetheless the claim was spread widely over social media particularly through

Starting point is 02:01:30 american political influencers additionally a study by news guard has found that prominent ai chatbots are absorbing information from these kinds of websites and will often regurgitate political propaganda as fact citing propaganda outlets as legitimate sources i don't think anything here is new no it's not new but it's um what's what's interesting about this particular um network is just how how big it appears to be and how quickly it seems to be growing so okay just a just a shout out for our american friends out there just because a website looks kind of trustworthy just because there's a lot of other sites publishing the same story does not necessarily mean that the story is true i i

Starting point is 02:02:18 would also say this is probably happening more or less everywhere it's just most likely being pushed on the timing yeah yeah for election stuff brewing up here though yep oh 100 yeah 100 it's down america is probably one of the juiciest targets it's probably happening there a lot i'm not trying to say yeah that i'm just saying this is something you should be aware of everywhere so just just watch out guys because the power of chat gpt has made it has made it extremely easy and extremely fast and not just chat gpt like there's there's so many large language models these days that can create powerful uh emotionally um emotional content that uh generates a strong reaction from people and the the the longer this goes on the better they're going to get at it because you know they're going to be feeding back

Starting point is 02:03:11 into these models what went viral what didn't and they're going to be looking for patterns so please watch out guys yeah and in other but related news because i i thought these two things would actually connect somewhat interestingly uh is apple d-list vpns in russia apple has folded due to pressure from the russian government and removed several vpn apps from its russian app store russian citizens will no longer be able to download or upload update these apps in russia at least because you could be a russian citizen that isn't in russia um though those who already have them will be able to use them. The Kremlin has enacted strict online censorship for its citizens, including blocking many independent news outlets and popular social media sites.

Starting point is 02:03:54 The government recently banned advertising or popularizing VPNs, including publishing instructions on how to set up a VPN. Back in March, Apple also removed an app developed by the team of now suspiciously deceased opposition politician Alexei Navalny. This app would have advised users

Starting point is 02:04:16 on how to coalesce around specific opposition political candidates rather than splitting their votes across several candidates. This is the whole not having ranked first or ranked choice voting issue uh however apple has not sold products in russia since the invasion uh and i think this is not surprising yeah because i think there's a lot of issues with western countries right now where having a free and open web which is fantastic has resulted in a

Starting point is 02:04:47 lot of battle for mind share by everyone in the world in a way that i think people wouldn't necessarily expect and if i was an authoritarian government i'd be looking at any country with a free and open web going oh wow that's easy to take advantage of and then you're having that thought and going huh maybe ours shouldn't be the same i i yeah i get it um i mean luke's saying he gets it in terms of why rush is putting the pressure on apple what i'm trying to understand here is how apple can bang their drum about caring so ever so so huggy muggy much about user privacy while also folding to pressure like this and look it's one thing if apple's just like yep we're gonna we're gonna value your privacy as much as we feel like it um you know so deal with it like if if they were upfront about it, I wouldn't even talk about this. But they don't.

Starting point is 02:05:50 Langleyman says, I take it the Russian government has not responded to Linus's offer to buy ICQ. Not at this time. What else we got? Nintendo says there will be enough Switch 2s for everybody. Nintendo's president says that the company has a bold plan to reduce scalping else what else we got nintendo says there will be enough switch twos for everybody nintendo's

Starting point is 02:06:05 president says that the company has a bold plan to reduce scalping at the launch of the switch to by making enough consoles to meet demand that is that is an interesting approach i think this is interesting for a bunch of reasons the company likewise claims that the semiconductor shortages that caused supply chain issues in 2022 and 2023 have been resolved and will not affect the next console's launch nintendo's president likewise stated that the company isn't in any rush to embrace generative ai saying it poses potentially serious issues with ip infringement he likewise expressed that the company will continue to create valuable experiences for gamers that cannot be achieved through technology alone should i just invest in nintendo and be done with it like they seem to on the one hand they seem like just such

Starting point is 02:06:51 buttheads sometimes but on the other hand they seem to have a clear vision you know for the next hundred years keep doing the thing we've been doing for over a hundred years i mean it's kind of worked out it's kind of working out for them, isn't it? Yeah. The interesting thing about this for me, though, is how well do you think the Switch 2 is going to do? With the right games? Great.

Starting point is 02:07:20 And Nintendo's been on a bit of a banger streak. The Wii U had a lot of the right games. Did it, though? Yeah. Name them uh mario kart 8 that's one super smash bros okay two mario brothers which one whatever one came out on the wii exactly well i don't know what one came out on the switch wow that was a short list galaxy no like they had all the like the usual suspects and all the usual suspect nintendo games you would expect i'm pretty sure breath yeah breath of the wild was on the wii u but realistically the switch had sold more units than the wii u by the time breath of the wild launched and that was a launch title so like let's not let's not let's

Starting point is 02:08:02 be real here breath of the wild is a switch game splatoon was actually a great game um that came out on wii u wii u had a bunch of good titles genuinely okay but i think nintendo is defining like banger as like 30 million units now it didn't have a ton of 30 million i mean i think because it didn't sell a ton of consoles it had good games they re-released them on switch and then they blew up okay that's true they were that happened many times mario kart 8 deluxe is literally just mario kart that's fair and it exploded on switch that's fair um i don't i don't know man it's it's tough i think that they might be to your point walking into the same trap as last time where people think that it's basically just,

Starting point is 02:08:46 you know... Well, my thing is that I think to somewhat of a cycle, it's like, aren't they on every other console cycle, just like a lot of other things are on every other whatever they make cycle? Like, Wii U was bad.

Starting point is 02:09:02 Wii U was great. Then it was GameCube before that, right? Yeah. GameCube actually sold... Did it flop? GameCube was not very competitive. But Nintendo 64 was a killer, wasn't it? Nintendo actually struggled a fair bit there. GameCube sold 21.74 million units,

Starting point is 02:09:21 and N64 moved 32. So GameCube was a big step down from the success of the n64 and the n64 compared to the playstation 1 uh sold a third as many like nintendo was was crazy yeah playstation one was a killer yeah well i hope it goes well for them it's it's a fairly bold take to say like we're going to combat scalpers because there's going to be enough switch twos for everyone yeah that's a that's a really strong they may be right i mean the rumor is the hardware has basically been finished for over a year and game developers are just like working on games now so they may pull it off where they're basically just like yeah insane launch list we're gonna have a great

Starting point is 02:10:10 great game library and we're gonna have ample availability let's go i do wonder if there would be a i i do wonder if there would be like a negative impact to having enough though. Like think about part of the hype cycle is people can't buy them. Yeah. Think about how often it's in the news. Like when someone scalps it or when it reaches a new high on eBay or blah, blah, blah,

Starting point is 02:10:36 blah, As annoying as it was for everyone that you couldn't buy PS fives like at all. Everyone was talking about how PlayStation was winning the war because you couldn't buy PS fives. Yeah. And you could find an Xbox on a shelf. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:10:48 So I wonder if the optics of there being enough switch twos will actually be terrible. I wonder if that's why they're seeding this. Maybe. Trying to like tell people early, there's going to be enough. It's still interesting. I promise.

Starting point is 02:11:03 Oh man. We've got a few more things to talk about here. YouTube adds takedown requests for deepfakes. YouTube has added the ability for people to request the removal of realistic synthetic impersonations, be they image, video, or audio. While deepf fake misinformation can be reported by anybody only the relative person or their relative only the relevant person or their guardian will be able to request removal of these kinds of fakes that makes sense however a request

Starting point is 02:11:35 doesn't necessarily guarantee removal there are other factors that go into the decision such as whether the synthetic impersonation is clearly marked as AI generation, whether or not it's realistic enough to be believable, whether the person is shown doing something reputation damaging, or whether the impersonation is a work of parody. So it sounds like there's a lot of gray area here. YouTube is likewise rolling out an erase song feature, which will allow creators to remove copyright claimed music from a video while keeping the rest of the audio intact.

Starting point is 02:12:03 That's super cool. Love that. And should we move to after dark is there anything else here that you particularly feel the need to talk about um no no no no oh actually the eu charging meta is not bad under the digital markets act so they're saying that's EU-specific version of its social platforms, where users can choose either a paid ad-free subscription or a free account with targeted ads, doesn't go far enough to comply with the spirit of the law. According to EU regulators, Meta must offer an equivalent non-personalized service to users who choose to not have targeted ads. I love it. The EU has previously laid similar charges against Apple for their anti-steering rules preventing third-party

Starting point is 02:12:47 sellers from directing customers toward other payment options. Microsoft has been charged over its bundling of Teams with the rest of their productivity suite on the grounds that it gives Teams an unfair distributional advantage over other messaging services. Love it. Good job, EU. You screwed up some stuff recently, but this is good.

Starting point is 02:13:04 Alright. Let's do it. It's of you. You screwed up some stuff recently, but this is good. All right. Let's do it. It's After Dark time. Yeah. Dan. Woo. And WAN Show After Dark is brought to you by private internet access, I think. Oh. Right?

Starting point is 02:13:16 I don't know. Yes. Yeah. You can get a special deal exclusive to us by using the link in the video description. In terms of why you would want a vpn hey if you don't know there's a solid chance you don't need one but if you're a filthy pirate then you might want to use one if you're in russia get an android and sideload it yeah i guess i guess i guess i mean we're not this is not legal advice no like you could end up dead

Starting point is 02:13:47 yeah so careful with that yeah all right russia watch out i'm not saving you from this one luke go ahead hey from the uk uh would ltTT ever consider doing more formal merch like suits? I work in a formal setting, but would still love to rep some merch. No. That would be the most niche thing ever. Thank you for the wonderful suggestion. We saw at least four. Yeah, we could do LTT produced cosplay outfits while we're at it.

Starting point is 02:14:23 Nice. That might sell just as many. We'll do the tuxedo and the mask. So you can cosplay formally. That's pretty good. Did you get it now? The mask? Don't.

Starting point is 02:14:41 Let's see. I thought you were talking about the mask because he wears a suit in that show. No, I no no i'm talking about tuxedo mask oh from sailor moon oh no i thought you're talking about uh here what's like see look he wears a suit yeah no i know yeah the mask you know what i did watch happy gilmore recently it holds up shockingly well i watched it with my son earlier in this show did we oh it's oh never mind i haven't heard this story before okay forget it anyway i love happy gilmore still and uh my son was like busting a gut uh watching it with me it was great yeah no this would be the cosplay my understanding is you would probably get sued

Starting point is 02:15:26 into a bolivian i mean really can they sue you for making a tuxedo and a mask i mean he doesn't even have a mask so our mask would be an original addition to the outfit all right all right if you like adam sandler no no no no no no to be, I'm not saying that I think every Adam Sandler movie is great. This is a funny conversation I had on set today. During the pandemic, Tanner and his SO apparently tried to watch all 50 or 60 or whatever Adam Sandler movies. Why? I don't know. But a game that Tanner started playing was, is there a woman in this movie who finds adam sandler irresistibly attractive nice and it was all but one nice literally even his like first like self-funded

Starting point is 02:16:13 like indie film apparently had a woman character who found him irresistibly attractive it's just like is that bad that's a very normal trope in stories it is but it just seems to happen a lot right in an adam sandler in adam sandler was the main character isn't he yeah oh yeah and there's almost always going to be a love interest for the yeah yeah yeah yeah so what you're saying is that your film written by you directed by you and starring you will never happen would have you be irresistibly attractive to a member of the opposite sex to have a love interest part of the thing which is extremely normal especially in comedy things then yeah probably okay but you'd be irresistibly attractive i mean i wouldn't argue against it to be very clear i think it's just easy normal like i'm just not surprised i guess is what i'm saying

Starting point is 02:17:04 i'm not saying it's necessarily good it's not deep but he's probably writing a comedy so that part of the show slash movie is probably not supposed to be super deep so like i don't know i mean you'd probably go with the nepotism route and just hire your current partner and then you would also save money it's so much easier yeah yeah then you don't have to fight about the seams. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Starting point is 02:17:27 Let's see. I have personally experienced Newegg and Amazon selling returned used motherboards as new and trying to hide it. There are security and anti-cheat hardware ID bands concerns with this. Thoughts? That's terrible. That sucks. I'm sorry to hear that.

Starting point is 02:17:43 I think that's been a thing that people have been talking about for a bit i haven't experienced it luckily i think man the more i think about it every time it happens the more i think it's time for lttlabstore.com just like we only carry stuff that we validate is good and we only we only sell you know not scummy stuff and we just are what do you do with stuff if you end up like if okay this thing is good we buy a certain amount of it we have a certain amount of sell-through rate of that thing and then a new thing comes in that we review that we think is better what do you do with the stuff that now isn't as good well you have to assume that just because it isn't as good relative to new stuff doesn't mean that it's not good if you if something changes

Starting point is 02:18:31 just like throw it all out no um what we would probably have to figure out is some kind of negotiation with manufacturers where based on our purchase terms we can we can stock rotate inventory if they screw it up i mean stock rotation is a thing it's difficult to negotiate but it is a thing and maybe they should not screw up their stuff yeah maybe it could work mad economist says wake up babe new linus debt source just dropped yeah really more oh yeah if you want to do it we'll figure it out oh yeah well no it's going to be up to the management team i don't just make unilateral decisions anymore nice hey sorry hey lan duke and dinus this is for linus but what improvements do you think need to be

Starting point is 02:19:32 made to baby tech besides just security to make it semi worth picking up also when more tall sizes um man i gotta be honest with you we didn't use much we used a baby monitor so just uh just a live audio feed uh i i'd love to have better range on that i guess um i know a lot of people use video ones now they were expensive back when back when i got a baby monitor and i also i just like never really felt like i needed it like it's in it's in a cage like a cage. Like what do you need to see exactly? It yells when it's mad. And you know what? There's edge cases, right? Where something goes wrong and your video baby monitor could have been the, you know, the thing that saved it or whatever. And so you might swear by it, you know, personally, but we never really came up for us. I feel like that's a statement

Starting point is 02:20:21 only someone who's had multiple kids would say. Cause like that, that sounds like like that's a statement only someone who's had multiple kids would say. Because that sounds like something that's similar to something that I'd hear Colton say. I mean, yeah, but like... What do you really want? It's in a cage. It'll yell if it's mad. It sounds very like... Everyone that I know that has multiple kids sounds like that. Well, look, what you realize is that there's only so much time and energy, is that there's only so much time and energy and and this thing is sapping both of them from you at an at a rate that is as as great as you allow it to be right like our first child okay i'm not saying it's bad to be clear it's just our first child every bottle every soother you know anything

Starting point is 02:20:59 that could have possibly gone in his mouth man we were on it with the boiled water and the like, we had like the special, like we were so worried about using the same towel to put things on to dry it out twice because it might have like milk molecules from the last time sitting bacteriating on this towel from the last time. So like, you know, if he dropped one of his little like, like tooth soother toys or something, man, that was going straight in the pile to be disinfected and then you know cleaned and

Starting point is 02:21:30 then we could give it back to him after it had been you know air dried or whatever and then by the time it was our second one it was like a quick rinse under the sink here you go and then by the time we came around to the third one wipe it on the pants pop it back in her mouth and she's good to go right like it's because you don't they're all fine you don't have time for that and i think that's something that a lot of um a lot of people struggle with because when you have just one you allow yourself to parent them too much i think think. And so, we really, I mean, I knew a lot already because I'm one of five. So, I, and I'm one of the older ones. So, I witnessed a lot of these changes over time. But I really have learned even more that having too few things in your life to take care of can

Starting point is 02:22:24 cause you to over care for them in ways that can actually be detrimental in the longer term. So it was, it was definitely, it was definitely a good thing that, you know, the last one didn't get kind of pampered in that way. I think.

Starting point is 02:22:41 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And tall sizes. Sorry. when oh uh i think we're just waiting on the next big t-shirt order like oh like all the all the grading which is what it's called when you work out the sizes all the grading is done um and spoiler alert there might be some deals on blank t-shirts for lime day so once we blow away some inventory and some of the colors that are not moving as well then it might be time for a restock

Starting point is 02:23:10 and we might be bringing in the tall sizes i think that does not mean we're a go for lime day to be clear what dan and i are communicating telepathically right now okay do they come in packs of 50 i mean no we could group by if you did i think that's what's going on 50 pack anyway we're very excited about tall shirts i'm gonna be the reason they're out of stock there's like a small army of people at the company that are just instantly gonna buy a large amount this is the thing about like tall sizes is the people who want them are obsessed. I suspect there isn't a huge amount of us,

Starting point is 02:23:47 but the ones that do exist will order many. That's like a loud minority, right? That one lanky-sized shirt that we had sold, I couldn't even believe it. It's crazy. Because, I mean, we have four options. I will instantaneously replace all of my t-shirts, and I'm not kidding.

Starting point is 02:24:01 I am the same. I can buy from one company right now. Yeah. Sorry, I'm just checking what our total loss is today like when i go to the gym oh it's going to be a lot of workouts i don't own a shirt that can keep me covered same yeah sometimes i'll wear like a muscle shirt a shirt i don't want yeah a shirt underneath it just to keep everything like yeah yeah reasonable yeah guys you are not doing a very good job of buying other stuff other than the track joggers absolutely not make up for it no they are not get on it you guys kill you're killing me here um anyway what's next

Starting point is 02:24:41 let's have a look here uh our company offers fiber connections for home and business we can support up to 10 gigs nice our company does not offer 10 gig to business customers though we only offer them dia which why not offer both sorry a dia yeah i think that's uh i had a quick google this earlier that's like the intranet thing so like like so you're talking like a service like a site to site um location i mean dedicated internet access provides business with a private connection to the internet so it's not it's not split shared bandwidth across neighbors blah blah blah oh okay telus just does this by the way for like everybody

Starting point is 02:25:25 or at least they did a long time ago or something i don't know i don't want to say the wrong thing okay uh so they can get a one gig line but it is definitely only theirs is i think what he's saying with dia like you always get one gig no matter what interesting yeah the only the only reason that i could think of is that the rates that you could charge these businesses just wouldn't make sense because they would have to be literally 10 times the amount of the one gig connection.

Starting point is 02:25:54 Whereas you can offer 10 gig to regular consumers knowing that out of 100 people, only a few of them are going to be using it heavily at a given time. And so you're going to be able to share that. You also don't need to guarantee that they're going to be able to get those speeds all the time because a consumer connection,

Starting point is 02:26:13 if it dips to 6 gigabit, A, they probably won't notice, and B, they're going to have no recourse because you don't have any kind of SLA with them that guarantees that connection speed. So that would be my guess, is that they can't guarantee 10 gig speed all the time i agree at least at a reasonable cost so they're just like screw it let's just rather than have a product that we know we can't fulfill let's just not

Starting point is 02:26:34 offer the product yeah so maybe they'll offer it eventually that's just me guessing though i'm guessing yeah hey the land duke and dinos with nintendo saying that there won't be a chip shortage do you believe that it's just that or that they're using lower powered hardware both i mean that's one of the ways to make sure that you don't have a shortage of a chip is to use an older process node where there's lots of capacity and ampere would be i think a pretty good example of that where like older you know cheap tablet socs are are not going to be built on such a cutting edge node as what is that tsmc seven nanometer i'm trying to remember nvidia ampere is it seven nanometer uh yeah ampere is the largest seven nanometer chip ever built

Starting point is 02:27:21 yeah so ampere was seven nanometer however i've heard rumors that the the switch to soc is going to be like six nanometer or something like that anyway the point is that um you're kind of in that middle ground where cheapo garbage stuff is not going to be manufactured on that node and the latest iphone is past it already so it could be like a nice middle ground where there's ample capacity i'm just i'm just guessing based on you know some small amounts of things that i know about that business i've never actually worked in chip manufacturing hey lld question for mostly linus you play a lot of beat saber have you ever been into other rhythm games guitar hero ddr etc no i would probably enjoy the crap out of ddr

Starting point is 02:28:05 though oh yeah you would like i've played it a couple of times and it seems like a blast but i suck so much and ddr machines are almost always in public places where i feel super self-conscious playing them as a complete beginner so i just would rather not it's actually one of the reasons that i didn't play much in the arcades in japan they're way more affordable than here which is super cool like i would always read stories or watch videos about how like you know arcades are where people will hang out all day at the arcade and i'm like with what money because when i was a kid going to the arcade was freaking expensive i mean i still i don't know if i would say it's necessarily cheap but i would go with my allowance and i'd be done in like 15 minutes yeah like that was my weekly

Starting point is 02:28:50 allowance like the the idea that you could hang out in the arcade was ridiculous to me but over there like you you give a little bit of money and you like play for a while even if you're not you know expert tier um but when I was over there, man, like some of the people really do look like they live there. Like they're so good that I would, I would feel inadequate sitting down at the machine next to them, putting in my money. And like, they're like going like this on some frigging rhythm game. And I'd be like, I don't know, man. Um, yeah. Beat um yeah beat saber great uh i've never really gotten into another rhythm game though hi dll linus is a longtime lover of ano 1800 myself are there any

Starting point is 02:29:36 ano 117 updates features quality of life changes that you're hoping to see this is going to be super unpopular but i would actually like to see um i'd like to see a little bit more military i love ano 1800 i know i know right hear me out as someone who has always enjoyed rts like purely military rts it is something i do find myself missing in ano sometimes the the the siege mechanism in ano 1800 where ultimately you conquer an island by destroying the um but by besieging the the main port essentially is pretty shallow and i would like to see different options yeah um i don't know that i would want to see it be more of a focus of the actual gameplay but having the siege mechanics be better would be cool i also wouldn't mind seeing the entire thing replaced with trade blockades um so instead of just destroying one building if effectively the way to

Starting point is 02:30:49 besiege an island would be to defeat its navy and prevent um prevent essential shipments or something like that um i think something like that could be really interesting because you can you can blockade an Island, but the AIs seem to just cheat. Like Luke and I actually started a game, a new game recently against like super hard AI with like sort of everything dialed up against us. And one of the things that we noticed was that while there were definitely some missteps,

Starting point is 02:31:19 because neither of us had played in a while, there were things the AIs were doing that didn't really seem possible with the starting resources unless they were just getting free resources they seem to be they seem to be cheating ais um and so i would like to see a fair a completely fair ai that has to rely on exactly the same challenges buying from free traders and stuff like that that was that was pretty frustrating to run into um i suspect that's like a bit harder of an ai to write than for most games i also don't know it's a weird game i also don't know what would be involved in this, but I would love to see the management of trade routes be just somehow better.

Starting point is 02:32:10 Like, just, I don't know. Good luck, Anno team. Hi, DLL. Last week, Luke mentioned that he was trying to take public transport more often. I was wondering why, and maybe if he's been having a positive experience i love talking the vta in san jose taking the vta sorry it's split uh no well that's vancouver public transit for's why. Yeah. So I try to take more public transit often when I'm away from home. Here, it's not really possible. Getting from where I live to work on public transit only is,

Starting point is 02:32:58 would be a horrible experience. Now, getting to and from seemingly basically anywhere when I was in Taiwan, yeah, absolutely. Take public transit. The buses were better. The trains were better. The high-speed rail existed. All that type of stuff. I would love it if we had high-speed rail from Vancouver to like Kelowna, Kamloops.

Starting point is 02:33:27 That would be awesome i think would really open up bc in a big way because there's a lot of people that just are not willing to do that drive because there's some parts of it that are like actually treacherous yes especially with all the deer and stuff like people's parents tell their kids not to do the drive when they're like when they newly have a car this is a thing if you could travel there it's dangerous if someone from Kelowna or Kamloops could take a train so that they could come into Vancouver and see like a Canucks game yeah and let's say drink at the Canucks game so they're able to safely commute home on the train instead of driving you know nap on the train while they go home nap on the train do whatever if people from out there hope Kelowna

Starting point is 02:34:03 Kamloops etc could take high speed rail into vancouver to work the west coast express and then go back yeah uh and then go back home after work because they're on a train that's super fast that would really open the province up we have this weird problem where everybody's stuffed in this weird broken sinking corner and it just sucks and privatizing public transit was not the solution no you know why the ubc routes are always like overpacked because everyone who rides them has a go-kart and they're not profitable so they don't care transit shouldn't be profitable it's not the point of it it's infrastructure for crying out loud that's what our taxes are supposed to pay for.

Starting point is 02:34:48 Why don't we have a SkyTrain in Langley? Well, it's coming, isn't it? Yeah, but like, our Sky... They voted it down last time. Don't even get me started on the SkyTrain, because I argue with people about Vancouver public transit. They'd be like, it's really good, you've got the SkyTrain. And especially back then, it was like... They've probably never been anywhere else.

Starting point is 02:35:02 Two lines. And Vancouver is the entire greater Vancouver regional district. It's not just the city of Vancouver. And as soon as you go outside of just there, it's atrocious. It's horrible. UCR Buffalo said too many people think,

Starting point is 02:35:18 feel they need their autonomy too. I'm not saying to take autonomy away. I feel like you have more autonomy. If you have the ability to high-speed rail to Kelowna or Kamloops. When I was going to school. You can decide to zoop out there really fast even if you don't have a car

Starting point is 02:35:31 or if your car might not make it the whole way or whatever else. GM Shippo says, this is me whenever someone complains that the US post office isn't profitable. It's not the point. Was it ever profitable? I mean, okay, maybe, maybe but still it doesn't matter

Starting point is 02:35:47 like the whole rain snow sleet hail blah blah nothing stops the mail like that's not because that's profitable that's because that's just public infrastructure that like is needed equipped says japanese rail is private however japanese there are very annoying parts about that is an extremely different place also that than north america big time it's really annoying in japan when you have to like switch stations but the stations are right next to each other the only real reason why i need to switch stations is because they're different companies yeah it's like what's up and like i couldn't find but the train in japan is light years ahead of where we are obviously i couldn't find the platform for a train i was trying to take because technically the like part

Starting point is 02:36:34 of the terminal that i was standing in was owned by the other one so they had signs so they had no signs for it i ran into that problem i was so angry it's like actually extremely angry there are there are some signs for the competing ones before people freak out but yeah yeah not enough and not at that station okay any thoughts on true nas scale dropping support for true charts and removing 700 out of the 800 apps available for their users. Linus is invested in an upcoming NAS software solution. Job support for TrueCharts. That is, to be fair, mostly tuned for individual home users that don't want to get super into the weed. So it might not be dealing with what you're talking about.

Starting point is 02:37:31 Dude, I hadn't seen i hadn't seen this news uh where where where is this uh truearts has been May 27th. I think it's the other way around. I just moved to scale. I think it's the other way around. Someone in chat pointed this out and I googled it

Starting point is 02:37:56 and it looks more true. Yeah, achow101 or achow101, I'm not sure, said TrueCharts is dropping support for true now scale which is the other way that it said and i googled that and started founding finding more information on it interesting i think that i think it's the other way around scale users introducing talos linux our alternative will be based on talos they They already cut TrueNets with the, TrueCharts with the new update.

Starting point is 02:38:27 I don't know. I'm not 100% sure what way it's going, but something is happening there for sure. Scale already dropped it. Yeah, I'm not sure. Sorry, guys. I don't know enough about this to have any thoughts on it. We don't have a topic prepped on it or anything.

Starting point is 02:38:42 Yeah. But if you're a user of these things maybe keep your eyes out yeah that'd be that'd be a bummer i will i'm on so they're moving away from kubernetes not true chart specific okay that also makes sense okay hi lld just started playing anno 1800 what dlcs would you recommend none start with the base game yeah which is a great rich experience yes and then when you're bored which will be after many many dozens of hours yes then have a look at which dlcs you like that sound appealing yep and honestly it is very likely going to make sense to add one it probably makes sense depending on how they do the pricing to buy a

Starting point is 02:39:26 season at a time yep because there's like four or five seasons or something or by the time you're bored by like the whole whack because i think they're done development on the game so maybe there'll be like an all you can eat oh nice depending on the bundle sales yeah but if they don't have a bundle sale for the whole whack what i was going to say was that you could get one season at a time because it actually comes with a lot of content in that one season like their their expansions are actually sick they're huge amounts of content like every time so if you're not like 100 sure you're going to get them all you could piecemeal it or if you're like yeah this game's amazing and buy them all that's also a very acceptable way to play the game it'll just be a lot of information hitting

Starting point is 02:40:04 you at once when you buy all the updates because it is a huge amount of content yeah i don't know if uh luke did this one or maybe maybe i did but how would you recommend configuring an old computer as a nas i'm looking at raid z1 but i don't know how many drives i should end up with oh man this is a long conversation that um forum you know what yeah try posting try posting on the ltt forum and see if someone is willing to kind of have a look at this for you but i think there'll be more nas recommendation stuff when that company yeah so i'm i'm invested in a nas software startup and hopefully they will be not hopefully their plan is to build out you know wizards and stuff that will make it easy for

Starting point is 02:40:51 people like you to just throw together hardware and kind of go hey configure this for me that's that's the idea i built a carbon copy of our johnsbo nas video first time i've ever done that and that's been fantastic oh yeah or you could just follow one of our Johnsbo NAS video. First time I've ever done that. That's been fantastic. Oh, yeah. Or you could just follow one of our previous NAS videos. The Johnsbo one is amazing. That's totally an option. Yeah, I'm planning on moving from the little NAS that I have now to like a more serious solution when that software releases, as long as they do a pricing model that doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out. I'm a design engineering manager for a major defense company

Starting point is 02:41:28 and do a lot of VBA automation to keep my team lean. Is VBA really bottom of the barrel? It seems to work for us. Zero formal coding. It works for a lot of people. I don't know. Like I've got a buddy

Starting point is 02:41:43 that does a bunch of Vba stuff for his work but he he has no formal um training in like software development and he was able to make his team a lot more efficient just through vba stuff i don't know i mean if it worked if it's stupid and it works is it stupid? yeah I don't know seems okay people are saying that VBA is about to be removed that sucks I don't know hi LMG.dll Linus you said even today

Starting point is 02:42:16 that you've had no issues with your 7900 XTX but have you played any Helldivers 2? I haven't I and many others with a card have been unable to play oh really i'm very sorry to hear that i have not tried to play hell divers 2 it sounds like i kind of missed the hype on it though it's it's down to like 10 of its peak player base a lot of controversies but okay but okay that was a really high peak okay okay relax are you emotionally invested in hell die relax are you like are you offended are you mad i'm a little offended brother are you this was a very are you

Starting point is 02:42:51 angry annoying news article to see you go around this happens with like every single game what what pal world's not as popular as it was when it started exactly are you serious there were articles of that why are so few people playing dark souls right now there are articles actually there are a lot of people playing dark souls well the elden ring yeah yeah especially because the new expansion but but i'm pretty sure there was articles about how few people were playing elden ring months after it came out like it's it's oh people play a game and then stop playing it eventually what's happening and especially with a game like helldivers that was like incredibly wildly popular yeah yeah it's gonna

Starting point is 02:43:29 decrease over time relax the fact that still 10 of people are still actively playing a game that is effectively the same thing over and over again is a lot i'm surprised it's that much i'm trying to figure out what you hate right now how long has it been i mean it's obvious you're a hater i just i'm not sure what it is that you hate do you hate helldivers 2 for being the same game over and over no or do you hate people for not playing it no or do you hate people for playing it a lot nope i hate the reporting. It's garbage, boring, lame reporting. Anyway. Reporting that like, oh, this many players are still playing

Starting point is 02:44:11 and this is our thoughts on it is interesting, but oh my God, only 10% of players are still playing. Whoa, headlines! Is so junk. It's so annoying. I would have expected you to understand that negative sentiment sells. I understand it, I just don't like it there you go there's your thesis statement yeah yeah i definitely have missed out on being able to be a noob and have no idea what's going on though and so that's

Starting point is 02:44:36 something that i kind of i kind of wish i had jumped into well it is it is a fairly small lobby game so you'll play with the maximum of four people total. Yeah, and then I'll drag everything down. They're getting upset about the meta. Like it's a co-op game and people are angry if you don't use the discovered optimal layout. Okay, but I never ran into this. That's been a thing that's been reported

Starting point is 02:44:58 since the beginning of Helldivers 2. Since the first week, people were talking about, oh, I'm getting kicked out of lobbies because whatever. And I'm sure that happened like once never had that problem once and i have always used weird builds in that game so like i think this is a very small issue that people glommed on because it was almost entirely positive reporting about the game so people are like there's something negative let's talk about that all the time yeah people in chat are like it's not a thing yeah i don't know i i really don't think it's a big deal there's toxic people in every single community that you can voluntarily join and exit anytime there will be toxic people

Starting point is 02:45:35 in that community as assuming it reaches some amount of critical mass speaking of toxic communities um can we discuss how fake the viewer counts are on twitter 5876 oh okay hold on if that's wait views okay if that's the number of people who have like scrolled past it at all yeah then i believe it total views but it is because it doesn't say viewers yeah it is an absolute ghost you're watching on twitter say something ghost town oh no don't say anything because you're a twitter user no one cares what you think oh i don't think previous chat is visible yeah i know but i've been in there for like five minutes oh it's it's dead oh yeah no it's dead great great great great a couple more for you here hello dld what is most high-tech company or place that you have been to that was seemingly low-tech before going oh well i don't go to many places that i expect to be low-tech yeah um it's

Starting point is 02:46:44 not the kind of thing i go out of my way to do. I feel like I usually have a pretty solid idea of the technical level of the things that I go to. Yeah. Every once in a while, I'll go to like a restaurant that is, oh no, I did. I went to a restaurant recently where it was like, where was i i traveled recently where did i go oh yeah i yeah i was in i was in um oh man what's it called i think it's the other way around sob cannon i was gonna say i find more places that i'm surprised how low tech they are instead of how high tech they are i was in centralia washington which is um population that's not gonna be true about taiwan everyone knows taiwan is high tech yeah so i was in centralia washington which has a

Starting point is 02:47:34 population of just under 19 000 people last weekend pretty small and i was in just like kind of a kind of a bar eating establishment and they were extremely why is drinks confirmed uh they were extremely like i don't know they were they were very they were very techie like it wasn't like in japan where you know there's no menus everything's just a qr code and you like order on your phone and it just appears at your table like it wasn't it wasn't that but the servers very much had like a really nice app interface on their tablet that they took your order with like it's um it's still pretty common here in north america for the server to take your order with like a pad and paper like that is absolutely still a thing and it was just

Starting point is 02:48:21 this like kind of you know small town usa vibe that they had going on and and and no they were like they were they were on it they were very high tech and like they like their app allowed them to you know put in customizations and notes on the order which is not something to be taken for granted not all of the interfaces allow that so yeah i was i was yeah i was i was impressed i'm apparently pronouncing the name so wrong central yeah i was i was yeah i was i was impressed i'm apparently pronouncing the name so wrong centralia i don't know whatever who knows who cares i'm never going back no i'm no i'm kidding we actually had a wonderful time we did a little glass blowing workshop and we made our own blown glass bowls and bubbles and stuff and um we also we went to

Starting point is 02:49:01 great wolf lodge which is fine um you, the kids had a great time. Then good enough. Great time. Mission accomplished. Two and a half days was exactly the right amount of time to be there. There's constantly places where I'm stunned at how far behind they are tech wise. Like places that still take orders. And I don't mean for food i mean for like

Starting point is 02:49:26 products that you're expecting to pick up in an amount of time later uh on pen and paper like there's a wedding i went to and i had to get a suit for it and it was like in the wedding party so you have to you all get the same suit or whatever so i went to the place that we're getting the suit from and they just wrote everything down yeah and then they gave the stuff to the wrong people and they gave the wrong stuff and i'm like this probably could have been avoided i remember the story if you had digitized everything in the first place yeah yeah like my goodness oh well luke what are your thoughts on test driven development do you have any other preferred methods to ensure your team delivers reliable high quality code uh the beta site um test driven development having some tests is really good i

Starting point is 02:50:11 think having tests for absolutely everything is only realistic in a good way for uh like absolutely under no circumstance can anything go wrong ever or people die type of scenarios i don't think it makes any sense for a website um unless like that website if something went poorly someone would die uh which maybe that exists i don't know but it's definitely not flow playing um i do not want our devs doing test-driven development. Yeah. Last one I've got for you today. Trying to brainstorm this one.

Starting point is 02:50:54 Man, I got nothing. You got nothing? Conrad, why have test-driven development when you can have users? Yeah, release on every Friday before a WAN show into production. Oh, i got one okay what product do you think was absolutely ruined by a company philosophy of bad faith toxic company relationship with its consumers every blizzard product boom mic drop we're done here all right

Starting point is 02:51:20 that's pretty good yeah I don't disagree see you later next week same bad time same bad channel oh that is actually it okay bye I didn't realize it was done and there it goes anonymous

Starting point is 02:51:39 coming up in the rear we've got Joshua oh and they're gone people like them tracksuits so still live i think so put it back put it back put it back the show's not over i have a gift for you what that i saved to give you on the show okay you're no you're gonna you're gonna really like

Starting point is 02:52:16 it all right here you go don't read it don't read it yeah just open it you want me to open it yeah just open it just open it. You want me to open it? Yeah, just open it. Just open it! Okay, hold on. Hold it up. Have you never done an unboxing video before in your life? Good lord. You could read it, maybe.

Starting point is 02:52:39 Spaceborne computer. And then there's an altitude in that at 17,500 miles per hour are these flown patches can you just finish opening it for crying out loud god you suck at this sticker of the same thing okay very cool i know where that's gonna go another sticker my computer is spaceborne international space station hpe spaceborne computer dash two how much of this do i read out loud any of it whatever you want okay subject return of official on behalf of the national aeronautics and space administration i am pleased to certify that these items were flown on board the cygnus vehicle and transferred to the iss over the period of may 24th 2018 through july 2nd 2018 while docked to iss these

Starting point is 02:53:39 items traveled more than 29.9 million miles these are this is a flown patch that is so sick i can't take full credit for this uh this was actually this was gifted to me when i went down and shot that video for hp enterprise so um realistically i knew you would appreciate it far more than i would so uh i used to watch a lot of the footage when a lot of these names were on the, on the ISS. So that's, that's, I recognize the name. That is very cool.

Starting point is 02:54:08 Thank you very much. You're very welcome. That is awesome. Yeah. 100% regifted ginger kid LMAO, but for real, for real, like,

Starting point is 02:54:18 look, I could put this in my like library, like realistically my policy and you've seen me do this is that I don't accept any, anything, not because I consider it like a, like a, an ethical issue. like realistically my policy and you've seen me do this is that i don't accept any anything not because i consider it like a like an ethical issue if i take water bottle swag or whatever but because i just i don't need more stuff i i'm i'm i'm at a i'm at a stuff limit in my life and so i i don't i don't collect things i don't like acquiring stuff one second yeah yeah yeah go ahead um i'm gonna just i'm gonna at least mute his mic dan and i are both trying to fight over his mic at the same time

Starting point is 02:54:51 um so i don't really take stuff but this one was something that i was like okay this is actually like the coolest thing ever and while i don't need to put it in a collection of stuff that I, that I don't stuff. Um, I, I knew, I knew Luke would be into it. So, so I, I accepted it be because I was going to give it to you. So it's not really a re gift in that case.

Starting point is 02:55:13 It's the way that I see it. Oh, what now? Uh, okay. See you later. Nothing, but see ya.

Starting point is 02:55:22 Bye. This is very cool. Thank you very much. No, you're welcome. Oh God, you're going to run it again? Sure, fine, whatever. I have to.

Starting point is 02:55:29 He said bye. It's contractually obligated. I actually was maybe going to steal one of the systems. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Sure. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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