The WAN Show - EVEN MORE Ryzen Leaks! - WAN Show Nov 15, 2019

Episode Date: November 16, 2019

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You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it. Some things look ambitious, but looks can be deceiving. For example, a runner could be training for a marathon, or they could be late for the bus. You never know. Ambition is on the inside. So that goal to beat your personal best? Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition mitsubishi motors welcome to the wan show i promise that i'm late for a good reason um are you gonna say what it is i just well okay so actually i know i always end up like doing a bunch of videos last minute on a friday because i didn't get them done earlier in the week. But this week, we actually did a bunch of really cool videos

that were very, very time-consuming. We did a build guide for the first time since Anthony. Wow. This is the first one I've done in over a year because Anthony did our last one. So we did a build guide. It's like a value AMD gaming build guide. So, like, people are going to love guys you guys are gonna love it it's great that's cool we converted my garage into a home theater so that was pretty sick like

you staying you got ah I'm on the fence okay so okay okay think of it okay now you know we're getting into the discussion. You know what? Okay, well, one second. Wait, what's going on? Why is this? There we go. All right. So basically there's a couple reasons for it. One is that it gets whoever is enjoying a movie away from kids who make noise.

Ah, okay. And also kids who are sleeping away from movies that make noise. Right. Hey, right? Okay. Number two is that, see, it might be a little bit early, but once autonomous vehicles and car sharing

are really ubiquitous, I think people are going to be converting their garages because they're not going to have cars anymore. To things, doesn't it? Like, whatever. So that's a trend

that I'm like, I want to be on the forefront, you know, the razor's edge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, capturing back. Because I don't know if you know this, but when you're shopping for whether it's a house or condo or whatever the case may be, the developer doesn't actually get to count garage space as square footage of the building. Mm-hmm.

So. Oh. So, basically, I am salvaging back, like, another, you know, 200 square feet or whatever of house. And all I have to do, because I've already got insulated walls on the outside of my garage, all I have to do is put, like, a heater in there or, like, take out the insulation on the inside walls. The insulated walls were in there when we were working there, right? Yeah, but it was cold because there was no heat. Yeah, but what I was going to say is it wasn't that cold. It was pretty cold.

It was pretty cold. You're a warm dude. Yeah. But I was going to say, like, if you did put on a big jacket or something, you were pretty all right. Ed had one of those heat dishes under his desk pointed at his groin. Okay, he was keeping his gonads from freezing, literally. Okay, all right.

That's fair. You know, okay, so we got a great show. But okay, you had to meet him. Right, right. And last minute, we planned a trip where I am going down and doing two of the most exciting collabs ever. So I'm going to be down in LA next week,

and we're gonna be working with Bitwit on the collab where it's my wife versus wifey sauce. Build challenge. All they get to use are their husbands' videos for how to build a PC. And I'm gonna let you guys in on something. I tried to cheat. I tried to cheat, and it ended up not working for me

oh so you know how we had discussed you know maybe what i should do is i should do a new build guide and you just filmed a new build guide different one okay so uh also did i shoot wow did i shoot that other build guide this week nick do you remember I think that was last week last week okay whatever the point is um it wasn't that one it was the POV build guide because I had really thought like from a first person perspective might have been really nice for her yeah that one's not going to be done in time ah okay so it's not going to be up that's interesting she's going to have to go dig through the archive to find useful videos on how to build a PC. Maybe you should watch Anthony's. Nice. That's kind of funny. So, yeah, that's really cool.

And we're doing a second collab, this time with iJustine, and we're finally doing the Premiere versus Final Cut Pro editing challenge. Oh. Yeah. So is Terran still editing? Terran. So this has a ton of moving pieces. Guys, don't blame any of these people if they don't end up participating.

There's a thousand reasons why someone might end up having to bail. And it's like, I'm sure it's nothing personal because everyone wants to participate. But this is like the greatest crossover since, you know, the Avengers meet Superman or whatever. All right. Okay. So it's going to be me. You're editing? No, I'm just, like, hosting.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, heavens no. That's all. It's like, what? Me, Taron. I don't know if you're supposed to mention other people yet. Oh, really?

I'm not sure. Does it matter? They're confirmed, but, like, I'm already saying. If you're, like, the sanctity of the competition, you're not supposed to mention it. Oh. Maybe that's not the case. That was what I had heard before. I don't even know all of them, though.

Like, does Taron know? Well, he doesn't watch WAN Show. Yeah, I know, but... Yeah. Okay, I'll just mention one. Okay? I'll just mention one. So, I'll be there.

Taron will be there. Justine will be there. Nico from Corridor Digital... Oh. ...is planning to be there. What is he going on he's not editing oh uh can i can can i mention whose video they're editing no oh okay oh okay so i can't mention that okay whatever the point is that makes sense it's gonna be freaking awesome um okay ah anyway it's gonna be. So it turns out I'm gonna be out of town exciting time Wait a second. That's all right with Kyle. I don't remember the name of it for whatever reason

Yeah, but he used to have a segment awesome sauce. Oh, I know that Forever a Kyle used to have this segment Awesome hardware they play I think is normally counter-strike against each other Yeah, but they have these cards that they can play against each other that are like nerdsportsy style. Oh really, like handicaps? Yeah, you have to like wear Hulk hands, and I'm gonna like kill you for a while in Counter-Strike, and it was, I used to love watching those. So, while you're down there. Wait, did you say Kyle? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know he did that. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Are you sure? I don't remember what it's called. 100%. Huh.

Because he would go against wifey sauce. That was their whole thing. All right. Oh, I'm guessing Nick is here to promote an LTTstore.com promo. Is that why you're here? Yeah, of course. All right, what do we have this week? Have you guys done the intro yet to the show?

We have not done the intro yet to the show, but that's okay. We can do your promo first. Oh, jeez. Okay. Oh, wow. So we've gone and put this shot at the very top of the store. That was very helpful and considerate of us. Should we put a different picture as the first one?

Are you talking about the underwear picture? Yeah. Maybe, like, what do you think? That's part of the promo. This one? This one? No, no, I know, Yeah. Maybe, like, what do you think? That's part of the promo. This one? This one? No, no, I know, but maybe just, like, you know, just a shot of, like, underwear instead of me half naked.

Yeah, we can do that. I mean, we don't have to. If you just want to look at that every time you go to lttstore.com. You probably go there more than anyone else. Actually, I don't go to the public store very often. I think there are a lot of people that go there more often than I do, and they appreciate it very much. Do they?

All right, all right. All right, fair enough, fair enough. Every night. You can, oh, God. store very often. I think there are a lot of people that go there more often than I do and they appreciate it very much. Do they? Alright. Fair enough. Every night. So guys, the promo this week is buy a three pack of underwear and get an LTT water bottle for $9.90.

$9.90. Billy, is that what you said it to? Because it's a percentage thing in the back end and they can't do points of a percentage. So it's $9.90. Billy, is that what you said it to? Because it's a percentage thing in the back end, and they can't do points of a percentage. Okay. $9.90. So it was supposed to be $10, but you know what? This dime's off on me. Yeah.

67% off. So buy underwear, get water bottle. It kind of makes sense for us to promo the underwear because we just got another shipment, so we got a big shipment, and we've seen a real pattern in the underwear where people buy one package, and then they come back and buy two more packages

because nine is the right number of underwear to have if you do your laundry every week. Get it? Buying packages? Sorry, I'll move on now. Oh. Maybe a lot of people will buy with this one and try them out. Maybe sometime between now and Christmas we'll have more deals on underwear. Oh, will we? Where you can buy even more deals. Really? Buy even more underwears.

Really? Oh, I don't know. We'll see. Maybe. You didn't read that email that I sent you. No problem. I did read the email. I just read it at the beginning of the week. It's in and it's out, Nick. It's in and it's out. Alright, so our main topics today are AMD Ascendant.

Ryzen 9 3950X reviews are in and the 3990X has leaked. Project Nightingale. Google apparently collected the health records of 50 million Americans without their knowledge. Isn't that a charming thing to do? What else we got? I was actually on Bitwit's page trying to find those videos, which I don't think he's done them in a while. Unless you maybe imagined them. I don't think he's done them in a while. So. Unless you maybe imagined them. I don't think I did. But maybe Floatplane exclusive? If they're not like super performing well on channel

or something, which is maybe why he killed it. I don't know, I'm not sure. Or ran out of ideas or I have no idea. Maybe I ran out of ideas. Apple launching 16 inch MacBook Pro with a new, old, better keyboard. Also, the Motorola Razr

foldable phone for $1,500. Yeah, we'll talk about that for sure. After the intro, though. Bye. Temporarily. ... ... ... ...

...... I can't see the analytics. Comic Garage. Squarespace. P.I.A. Not YouTube. I just tried, it's not there. We're whispering. That's pretty neat.

Yeah. Huh, that's weird. How is the stream on Twitch and float playing, guys? Yeah, so on YouTube, it says video output low, and it says we're live, but it says the stream health is, oh Lordy, it's set to unlisted well we'll go ahead and set that live now herpeter all right so why don't we move right into the it's my bad the big thing that happened this week i mean obviously a lot of you guys watching out

there would have already watched our review of the 3950x did you watch our review of the 3950x you need an upgrade dude yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah, it's like... I can't play... It's great. I can't play the new COD and stream it at the same time. No, you can't. Not without a 3950X, you can't. Well, I don't know if I necessarily need that,

but I can't with my current processor. It's only $1,000 for a CPU. Oh, my God. Canadian. Canadian, $750 US. I don't want to spend that much. And that's assuming you can find one, because these things are going to be moving like hotcakes.

It is so fast that it keeps up with Intel in lightly threaded, like single threaded gaming situations. And it's got 16 cores. It has 16 cores. And the thing is, it's funny because compared to other parts of AMD's lineup, it actually doesn't look like a great value. So compared to the 3900X, although, again, that's assuming that you can even find the thing in stock.

Here, let's go ahead and... 3900X. I think that's around 500 bucks. Yeah, so 530 bucks, assuming you can find stock of it. You know, the 3950X doesn't look like a great deal because it's like another $250. Like you're paying another 50% more for just 30% more cores.

So you could look at the thing and you could go, oh, well, this thing sucks. It's a bad bargain. But then when you compare it to Intel's lineup, so let's go grab, you know, let's grab Intel's flagship consumer CPU, the 9900KS Special Edition. What? That thing's not $1,000. What are we even? Forget it.

Amazon? Yeah. I don't know. Okay, so let's look at the 9900K. $480. Well, that one's only got eight cores. bucks well that one's only got eight cores so now all of a sudden if you compare amd's top of the line to intel stuff it looks like a downright bargain 581 for the 581 for the chaos on amazon uh new egg was derping they must just be out of stock and not want people to order it or something

maybe they don't know if when their next allocation is coming or something like that. But like, that's incredible. Yeah. Like when you have a flagship grade product and it still looks like a bargain compared to your competitor, mind you, that's their competitor's flagship product or whatever, but even if we look at like a 9700K or something like that, that's more like what people actually buy.

So that's eight cores without multi-threading or hyper-threading, excuse me, as Intel called it, without SMT, okay? So that's eight cores for 319 bucks, but they're slower cores. Yeah. And no SMT. So like 3950X looks like an almost, you know,

linear price to performance increase depending on what you're doing. So there's a lot of things that aren't gonna benefit from having 16 cores in a desktop. And there are a lot of things that do benefit from multi-core, from multiple cores. Like if you wanted to run a bunch of VMs or something where dual channel memory might end up

actually being a problem or running out of PCI Express lanes because if you've got all these VMs running, you might wanna pass through devices. You might actually have a lot or running out of PCI Express lanes. Because if you've got all these VMs running, you might want to pass through devices. You might actually have a lot of things plugged in. But for the light workstation, you know, the Uber workstation light edition. Yeah. This thing looks incredible. And it games like a beast.

Yeah. So I am pretty excited about that. That wasn't really in my notes. I was just kind of, this is an extension of how happy I was in my review. Unlike the flip of the coin that I'll bring up is my processor would be very expensive, but it is also five generations old. And if I wasn't streaming, it has no problem with the new COD or anything else. So yes.

And my dad has a processor that is seven generations old and wasn't way too expensive when it came out. Actually, no, that's not true because he got an upgrade from you for doing the plumbing thing. So, he's still running that processor. Okay, that was a while ago. And that's still usually just fine. Yeah, okay. It's not, he doesn't play the most pushing games, but he doesn't have any problems with it. So that is an argument that you can make,

is that while AMD has certainly made great strides, a lot of what they did was make up for sitting on their butts for the better part of a decade. But what's really cool is that Dr. Su has, I i mean i don't want to use the word confirmed because ceos have definitely made promises and not managed to deliver on them in the past but has said that the next generation of ryzen is going to come out next year yeah and like first half of the year yeah so not only have they made up for that decade of thumb sitting they are like still going if i'm at intel right now i'm like i'm not freaking out

the thing you guys got to understand intel's just multi just giant multi-billion dollar company and even if intel's performance was half of amds i I don't think AMD has the fab capacity even to supply the entire computer industry with processors. So like, Intel will have customers for a long time, no matter what, because AMD is relying not only just on a third party, so they're relying on TSMC to make their processors. So it's not just that,

but it's also the fact that TSMC has other customers. So they're not in control of their destiny and their destiny is definitely not to have 100% of TSMC's output. So Intel's fab output, just from like a sheer, if you stop thinking about CPUs from like a passionate, if you stop thinking about CPUs from like a passionate, enthusiast perspective, and if you think about them as the commodities that they are for most people,

if we're being honest, at the end of the day, if there's only so much rubber on earth, you know, tire manufacturer B is always going to have customers to sell to as long as the earth's demand for rubber exceeds the supply that tire manufacturer A can output, period. So it's not like Intel's in danger of going out of business or anything like that. But if I'm in the enthusiast division there, for example, I'm real upset because I'm going to start seeing, you know, my quarterly sales bonuses drop and stuff like that. I mean, that's one of the ways that a company as large as Intel manages to sort of not lose

track of where their targets and where their goals are from like an individual business unit perspective is making sure that there's a carrot and a stick at sort of every different level, whether it's data center or consumer or enthusiast or whatever the case may be. Speaking of sort of the bigger chips, one of the big leaks this week was, of course, MSI accidentally confirming the existence of a Threadripper 3990X with 64 cores and 128 threads. 3990X with 64 cores and 128 threads.

Now, this was rumored already, and then I had kind of wondered if they were going to do it, because they launched the 24 core and the 32 core, which, from my perspective, were already so much stronger than the 16 core on the AM4 platform that they could have carried that platform on their own. I mean, from working at retail, or not at retail, because that implies I was like a salesperson on the floor, which I was, but this is not what I'm talking about. But working at a retailer in the product management side of things,

what I can tell you guys is that, you know, if Intel or AMD launches a platform, so here's your motherboard, you know, good, better, best from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock, blah, blah, blah, et cetera. And then here's this whole stack of processors, you know, like six different CPUs. 50% of the sales are usually like two boards.

So whatever the standard ATX like decent one is from you know the vendor that's doing really well this generation and then like the similar one from like one of the other vendors and then your next one is going to be like a really solid board that's like MATX or something like that. And then the rest is like everything else is kind of like drags.

And it's the same over on the CPU side. There's one or two that clearly outsell everything else and are, like, 50% to 80% of the total sales for that entire platform. And then there's, like, everything else. So they build out this whole product stack in order to make sure that they are meeting the needs

of a variety of customers. And then they balance which ones they're actually delivering to the market based on consumer feedback by intentionally, in a lot of cases, intentionally crippling chips that could have been something better and selling them as something lesser. And then, of course, that's where core unlocking and overclocking and like, you know, in graphics cards, you know, firmware flashing cards, for example. That's where all that comes from. Turning them into other cards. Because back down to treating it like a commodity, which is what all these companies are doing at the thousand foot level um you might think as a consumer well that's crazy why would amd take a graphics card that they could sell as a vega 64 or a cpu that they could

sell as a 3950x so these are both you know, fully enabled chips. Why would they sell them as a 3900X with only 12 cores? So you got four and four disabled. And then a Vega 56 with some of the functional units disabled. Why on earth would they do that? Surely they could get more money selling them like for that much. It's like, yeah, but there's a limit. There's a limit to the customers who are going to buy this. And you're better off capturing this customer than ignoring this customer.

And so a lot of the time, the costs of a particular item end up blended, right? So they subsidize the cost of this one with, like, the extra money that they're making on this one. And as long as they're maintaining overall profitability and they're doing a good job of maintaining their product stack in a way that kind of makes sense for consumers and retailers, then, hey, it's all hunky-dory. It doesn't matter if they're only making 5% on this one, but making 28% on this one, as long as for all the Vegas or all the Bryzons they're selling, they're making an average of, you know, 15, 20 points or whatever the case may be.

Probably more than that now that people actually want their chips, which is pretty cool. So I'm potentially thinking of upgrading next. I've been thinking about doing this system for a while. You're going to end up going AMD, aren't you? You're going to expect me to get a system for you and make a video about it, aren't you? Yeah. I kind of figured that was going to happen.

So I'm kind of thinking of sort of making, like, a few years ago this would be a really weird computer. And I'm thinking of trying to wait until Intel drops a GPU. And then going AMD CPU, Intel GPU. The unthinkable computer. How interesting. I think it could be kind of cool. I kind of like it.

Yeah. I don't know if you can wait that long. Because you like GameSt stream three times a week. And you've been playing nothing but COD as far as I can tell, you boring guy. I haven't for, like, a long time because I, like, drank an insane amount of water before I came here and all this kind of stuff

because I'm trying to not cough. I've been sick for, like, ever. Yeah, it's been, like, three weeks. So I've been basically not streaming for a very long time. But, yeah, it's generally COD. You will. Yeah. And then when it's time to stream, yeah, it's generally God. You will. Yeah. And then when it's time to stream, you can't. Yeah.

And he's dead. Great. Yeah, so, yeah, it is a bit of a problem. But I don't know. I don't want to upgrade right now, so we'll see. Okay. The NZJester brings up a really good point. Sometimes those components of the GPU or those cores on the CPU

or some of the cache, for example, is actually defective. Or sometimes it works, but it doesn't meet the thermal or power consumption targets or whatever the case may be, or the voltage targets. And that is why it ends up being a lower-tier processor. You are 100% right. And if the company plays their cards perfectly, then they will have exactly the defect rate and exactly the pricing strategy

that makes it so that the demand for those products exactly meets the defect rate and everything is perfectly balanced. But in the real world, what they usually end up doing is erring on the side of disabling good ones in order to make sure that they're meeting the market demand

and trying to build as many good ones as they can versus building a strategy around them mostly being defective. Yeah. They're like, you're never going to get the exact perfect yields for the structure and product stack that you want defective. Yeah. They're like, you're never gonna get the exact perfect yields for the structure and product stack that you wanna have.

Yeah. So they're gonna manipulate it a little bit. Especially as time goes on. Like don't imagine for a second that once, you know, AMD designs the 3950X, they're just like, okay, well, good job everyone. All the time, they are constantly tweaking and tuning and trying to get those yields up. Because the thing is, on a silicon wafer, the more usable chips they get, the less waste and the more profit they can get from that wafer.

It costs, I'm not going to say exactly the same amount, but it costs what it costs for each wafer, regardless of how many chips they get. costs what it costs for each wafer regardless of how many chips they get so if you look at i mean a very extreme example of this would be something like a red camera where on a manufacturing wafer they're gonna get you know however many sensors but it might take them and i don't know what their yields are like and you know what for all we know every single one of them is good, and they're just marking them up because, ha-ha, you'll like it. Ha-ha, capitalism. Yeah, or whatever. But odds are that cameras, for example, are so expensive because the tolerance to defects is so low,

because you can't have a dead pixel on a $20,000, $30,000, $50,000 camera. So the tolerance to defects is so low, and therefore the yields is so low, and therefore the yields are so low that they might have to do multiple runs before they get a working freaking sensor. And so that's why a chip can cost anywhere from cents for something where you can put hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them on a wafer,

something like a motherboard chipset. And they're all going to come out just fine because their tolerances are huge. Like a Bluetooth chipset or like all gonna come out just fine yeah tolerances are huge like it like a bluetooth chipset or something stupid like that um down to something that is you know enormous like uh nvidia's uh the top tier turing gpu it's the thing is freaking huge um so so you can get some a chip that's like it's all fundamentally sort of similar. It's a microprocessor, but that costs anywhere from pennies all the way up to hundreds and hundreds or thousands of dollars when they're all made out of fundamentally the same thing.

They're all just made out of glass, right? All right. Why don't we move on to our next topic here, shall we? Oh, my God, it's flipped around. Someone in the Twitch chat just called me Alex. Oh, wow. No, this is not Alex. This is Luke.

You can tell from his slightly, hmm, wow. Both blue-eyed. Both got kind of flippy hair. Both kind of blondish. Both facial hair. Ah, Luke's facial hair is darker. Oh. Well, that'll Both facial hair. Ah, Luke's facial hair is darker. Oh. Well, that'll be your cue.

Ah. Apple. They finally did it. They launched a 16-inch MacBook Pro with a new keyboard. That's actually the old one. That's actually closer to the old keyboard than it is to the new keyboard. All right. So Apple's just like, I don't get it.

Apple saw the Sonic redesign and was like, we can do this too. We can go back to what it was supposed to be. I actually haven't seen that yet. I do need to look at it. Oh, it's way better. Yeah, okay. Oh, it's...

That freaky weird thing is... Astronomically better. Super freaky and weird. All right, anyway, anyway, back to Apple launching. So they did this weird thing that they do every once in a while where even though they actually just had an event a little while ago and then pointedly did not announce a 16-inch MacBook Pro when everyone was kind of expecting it, they just like waited, what is it, a couple weeks, two or three weeks? And then just like quietly put it up on their website and were or three weeks, and then just like, quietly put it

up on their website, and we're like, yep, so there's a new computer. Okay. Am I being unreasonable when I say that that really makes me mad? Because they would never launch an iPhone like that. Why is the Mac such a second class citizen that's fair um i think in a way they knew this would happen what would happen i didn't need to raise my finger so people can see i'm pointing at the laptop oh um no it's fine it's fine um just there would be articles made about it we would talk about it here. Reviewers are going to jump on it. It's not going to launch silently.

Why not launch an iPhone like that? That's exactly my point. Like, why treat certain things like they are deserving of attention and other things? I don't know. Is it because maybe Apple has, like, an internal formula that they use to determine whether they do a big launch event or whether they... Because, like, there was stuff launched at their event that was more boring than this. Totally. And it wasn't just the iPhone.

I know. Yeah. Well, no, no, they had a second event since the iPhone event. I forget what they even launched because it was utterly uninteresting. I don't remember either. Why can't I... Oh, AirPods. AirPods Pro launched. Oh. Okay.

They're really good. Okay, but they could have just bundled it with this. Yes, but that's my point, is they could have easily... We have multiple announcements. Like, here's the thing, guys. I mean, they're working on something like a new MacBook Pro for many, many moons. Many moons.

It's not like it was a surprise to them that like two weeks from now that this is gonna be launching it's not like they were like oh are we gonna launch this or are we not like when they're that close to release when they can actually put it up on the website they could have easily said okay availability in two weeks so anyway it just outright replaces the 15-inch model in Apple's lineup, because basically it's just like less bezel, which is sweet. It replaces the justifiably hated butterfly key switch design with their old scissor design

that's also found in the desktop Magic Keyboard. Which was good. They brought back the escape key. To be clear, like I, when I was more in the keyboard enthusiast community, some people used to be into those Apple desktop keyboards. I didn't like it, but they were into it. And honestly, when typing on one, I'm like, okay, this is a good experience. I don't prefer it, but it is a good experience.

And then they ditched it. They added a 100-watt-hour battery, which is the maximum allowed on planes by the FAA, which gives the laptop 11 hours of battery life. The 15 inch had just 10. And you can configure it with up to 64 gigs of RAM, up to 8 terabytes of storage, up to an 8 core Core i9 CPU and a Radeon Pro 5500. Can NVIDIA and Apple just bury the hatchet? Are they ever going to?

I think if they do, it would possibly require a new CEO. Not at NVIDIA, because that's never going to happen. Well, someday it might have to. I guess. Not for a while. Unless he can use GPU AI inferencing to make himself available. You know, with that leather jacket, he could be just super villain looking enough to do it yeah i could you should figure it out i could buy jensen as a super villain yeah yeah i could

get into that i could definitely see that he now like controls the tech in all the cars so it starts at 2400 bucks and goes up to six grand wow yep that's a lot that's honestly with an eight terabyte high performance nvme drive that's a lot of it that's fair because you got to remember this is not i wonder how much that exact add-on costs yeah this is oh it's like 2400 i think yeah like over top of the base model and like you don't really need that uh i don't i't. The vast majority of people are not going to need that. I have a hard time imagining, and I know I'm going to, someone's going to clip this, and they're going to, like, make me eat my words in 10 or 20 years or whatever the case may be.

The 64 kilobytes of RAM thing? Yeah, sure. But I can't imagine a reason to have 8 terabytes of storage on a laptop. Now. Maybe in the future. What for? I don't know. Honestly, what for?

But that's what people would say way back. No, no, no, no, no. Okay, COD is 150 gigs. You're not playing COD on this. I'm just saying file sizes increase. Right. It's a thing that happens. COD has gone up 3X in size in whatever amount of years.

Which is spiffy. Good for you. Go play your COD. You sword-w in size in whatever amount of years. Which is spiffy. Good for you. Go play your COD. You sword-wielding, shotgun-firing wanker. But that's not what we're talking about. This is not a gaming device. I love that insult. Sorry, keep going.

It's not a gaming device. Yeah, okay. But data for media is also increasing. Barely. People are going to get into 8K. Okay. Hold on. We are at the physical limit of what you can do with a cell phone camera.

You cannot keep putting bigger sensors in them because no one, Apple included, is willing to make their phones larger. Yeah. You can't pack more pixels into them because there's no benefit. Not because you can't keep making the lithography smaller. You might be able to. Are we currently doing simultaneous raw and not raw video? I know they're doing that with photo.

Okay. Raw video, I guess. I'm just saying there's places things can go. But that is such a niche use case, and there is no reason that that file couldn't be on external storage. Yeah, oh, yeah. No, I definitely agree with that part. I mean, Apple is literally king of the dongles.

Like, storage dongle. There's no reason to have it internal to have it potentially lost when your motherboard dies and your t2 chip makes it so that your lab your data can't be restored yeah like that is so many eggs in a portable basket i just cannot fathom it and i know there's going to be digital artists out there that are like okay well what about if i want you know i work eight hours a day entire scene and whatever whatever whatever else i again i sure i guess we can do that and obviously apple can do it um for me the magic number really was one terabyte. On a mobile device.

Yeah. Actually, that was probably before that. As soon as we hit 512, I was like, I didn't really crave more. Because I just brought up the argument if you work eight hours a day. I know an artist that works more than eight hours a day a lot of the time. But they do Photoshop single image stuff, so theirs isn't that huge. But even if you did video and video editing, you should be offloading your stuff. I'm talking about more like 3D animation.

Oh, totally. Yeah. Like digital artists. But you should be offloading your projects. Like, they shouldn't live on only your laptop. Especially with what a piece of garbage finder is and how hard it is to organize things. And you can do it, but be honest. Do you?

Because if you are doing a proper job of organizing your digital life, you probably aren't storing everything on your MacBook. Yeah, yeah. And especially if it is for work, which I'm expecting that argument was going to come up, which is why I addressed it. Especially if it is for work, which is I'm expecting that argument was gonna come up Which is why I addressed it especially if it is for work because you don't want a single point of failure You want like three so that you should be off loading this somewhere and then that somewhere should

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So what have we got here? I think they're all like face in. Nope. Half of them are one way, half of them are the other way, because otherwise one end would be bulgy. Yeah. So we've got, oh wow. So these are like, oh no, this is not just like rando comments that they made.

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is an extraordinarily conservative person to the point where they would have concerns about kids reading books about halloween harry potter yeah okay yeah no no no no not harry potter i'm talking halloween all right like halloween themed bernstein bears book is like but what they said in the newsletter was like look whatever i might think about whatever the best book to get your child to read is what they'll read is one that they will read that's a cool that's a good that's a respect and honestly comics were a huge part of me learning

to read for me it was uh not comic books to be very clear i'm talking like calvin hobbs fox yeah comics like funnies i wasn't that into comic books. I don't know where Archie falls. Archie and Calvin and Hobbes were a pretty big thing for me. Another really big one for me, well I mean Harry Potter and The Hobbit. The Hobbit was really the one that really projected me into my adult reading.

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I set that last week. Wait, no, I didn't. I don't know why it was set like that. But I should check it. You know what? It doesn't matter. I think it's because we used the other thing last week. Buy a pack of LTT underwear. A three pack of LTT underwear. I'm so sorry. I will put a different picture there. That's not much

better. Here we go. There we go there we go buy a pack of ltd underwear and get an ltd water bottle for just 10 bucks with your order so go ahead and add the underwear to your cart then uh the water bottle will show up for add both of them to your cart and the water bottle will show up for uh 20 off actually i think it's nine dollars and 90 cents because apparently discounts have to be done by percentage. Okay, it doesn't matter. All right. We've got time for one more topic before... We have to. We started the show so late.

And we also said we were going to talk... It's 7.45 today. Oh, wow. Okay. Can Luke finish? Do you want me to do one more? Yes. I can do Project Nightingale.

Yeah. I'm not going to be... No, no, no. That's fine. I'm going to be considerate of somebody else. Yeah. We really want to talk about the razor. You know what? Luke, I'll call you.

Sweet. My babysitter started super early today, and I totally forgot. So this is going to be something a little unconventional. I'm going to call into my own show. Yeah. And, yeah. This is awesome. Dare beat.

I'm going to check the chat to see what people think about how it sounds. All right, cool. I just need to find my backpack, and then I'll call back in. If you want to just start Project Nightingale without me, that's cool. Okay, I just want to see what chat says real quick. Okay. No one's saying anything. So I'm not sure.

Do we have a cardboard minus that we can put here? I wish. We had one before. The waifu pillow. Perfect. Okay. So I'm going to do Project Nightingale, I guess, before we do the Razer foldable phone. So Project Nightingale was Google collecting the health records of 50 million Americans without their knowledge. A bombshell report by the Wall Street Journal exposed Google Project Nightingale, an initiative by Google to collect all of that stuff.

The data includes names, birthdays, addresses, family members, allergies, immunizations, radiology scans, hospitalization records, and you know, all the rest of everyone's complete medical history. The data was provided by St. Louis-based Ascension, one of the biggest health companies in the U.S. in exchange for, you're not even on the phone right now, I don't need to do that, in exchange for secure management of patient data and the provision of tools to improve clinical quality and patient safety. Google says the initiative is completely legal and they are also working on similar arrangements with dozens of other health care providers, also known as we don't care what you think, we're doing it anyways. we don't care what you think, we're doing it anyways.

Furthermore, Google says patient data cannot and will not be combined with any Google consumer data. But now, the U.S. government, specifically the Office for Civil Rights in the Department of Health and Human Services, is investigating Project Nightingale to ensure their following regulations. This sounds really bad. These are the opinion notes, not the notes from the meeting, but the opinion notes that I don't know who they were written by, this is not my opinion, says this sounds really bad on paper, but maybe we need a central database of medical information. It's better than waiting for doctors to send files directly to each other. And then the next note says, what's the worst that could happen uh in my opinion the worst that could happen is pretty terrible uh because the second

like insurance companies and stuff get a hold of this they could change your insurance rates based on whatever the doctor says and they would have more leeway to do that kind of stuff and i mean you know things leak all the time and stuff we already know that that is what's going to happen with this. Like, there's absolutely no doubt about it. Because, I mean, the insurers are using everything, you know, from profiling using deep learning to, you know, getting their hands on... Getting their hands on what? Oh, there we go. Getting their hands on what oh there we go getting their hands on information lifestyle for example um in order to determine you know well how likely it is that you know you're gonna

die or develop some condition or whatever the case may be right exactly i mean any any excuse to squeeze you and add more to your premiums. This is like the DNA sequencing stuff, 23andMe or whatever it's called and all those other things. There's a big reason to not do it, which is they sell all that information. So your insurance premium might go up immediately.

The worst part of that whole situation. So we should probably do a quick recap for people who aren't familiar with those programs. Do you want to talk people through it? I actually don't know it super well. All I know is that they do definitely sell that information. No, I just mean the basics, like what those DNA testers are. Oh, you like buy this kit. And as far as I know, you like spit into a vial thing, and then you ship it off and then they send

you information about like who you might be related to and what medical issues you might have and et cetera, et cetera. And these kits and the service are super cheap, suspiciously cheap to the point where it's pretty obvious that what they're doing is they're harvesting the data and they're selling it. And the worst part is that by participating in this, you're not only putting your own information out there and at risk of being obtained by someone you might not want to have it, you're also putting your family at the same risk.

Because let's say, for example, all of my siblings, siblings for a lark went on amazon and bought a kit to test their dna and submitted it now all of a sudden um whoever buys that data can make a pretty darn good guess about me even though i have never actually submitted any dna for testing yep pretty lame sorry give me one second yeah so the the worst that could happen is like it it all your stuff could get sold um i'm not necessarily against a a central repository of medical information but i think if that happens it should be managed by the government, not Google. I don't know why anyone's okay with this.

Yeah, the issue is like, how do we trust them either? That's true. It's this ridiculous situation we're in where on the one hand, I'm actually applying for life insurance right now. I'm going through that process at this time. And it was like, I also happen to be changing my family doctor right now.

And it was just baffling to me that one doctor's office had no way of getting my medical records from another one without it being faxed to them. I'm like, what year is it? 1986? What is going on here? But the flip side of it is that no in fact this information is not available because if we stored it all online Then someone would take it. Yeah Yep, that's very true. I don't know necessarily what they need to do, but This doesn't seem like it a new internet internet. Okay? So, get this. New, dedicated fiber runs for secured data. They probably have that for certain military things.

Oh, I'm sure they do. Yeah. I have never specifically read about it or anything, but I am so certain that they do that I'm not even going to guess at it. Yeah, yeah. So, like, doing that for medical doesn't even seem like that much of a stretch, to be honest. Certainly a big enough industry. Yeah, exactly, especially in the States. Okay, we're moving on.

One more topic. Motorola Razr. I want to talk about the Razr. Exactly, yeah. Motorola Razr foldable phone unveiled. I'm just going to go through the notes quick, and then I'll set you loose. Sure. in the states okay we're moving on one more topic motorola razor exactly yeah motorola razor foldable phone unveiled i'm just going to go through the notes quick and then i'll set you loose it's been leaked to uh high heck already but motorola unveiled its modern revamp of the classic razor flip phone on wednesday night i will show it to you guys in a moment when i'm done reading the notes it's got a 6.2 inch flexible display and a 2.7 inch secondary display visible when the phone is folded, so like the screen on the top.

There's a Qualcomm Snapdragon 710, a mid-range CPU from 2018, 6 gigabytes of RAM, 128 gigabytes of storage, 2510 milliamp hour battery, it's USB-C based, Android 9 Pie, apparently it's to upgrade to oreo later no specific date uh motorola has apparently addressed the dust and debris ingest issues and it's coming january 2020 for 1500 dollars i'll show it to you guys now and let Linus go ham. Well, you know, okay. The funny thing is, is I'm not even like a foldable phone hater. Like, I'm sure you could find people who think

foldable phones are dumber than I think they are. And there's a lot of arguments to be made for why folding screen phones, particularly right now, just make absolutely no sense. Because compared to something like the latest iphone their water resistance their dust resistance their drop resistance uh the hinge on the uh galaxy fold

is starting to be a little bit wiggly wobbly not much but like it's not perfect anymore like there's there's so much to go on i mean there's a reason that for the longest time, the trend in mobile devices was towards making them have fewer moving parts, not more, and fewer points of ingress, not more. But by and large, I really like the idea of something that it has a big screen but then folds up small in my pocket. It has a big screen, but then folds up small in my pocket Where I get kind of lost on this one is that the unfolded screen?

Isn't that big? Yeah, and I I will throw them a bone here by saying that they they fix the crease issue I said this video doesn't have the animation for it, but there's a different video that shows like Like a cut view of the phone unfolding and the way that they manage the fold is by like They it doesn't pinch at any real point. It just kind of curves even more so when it gets unfolded. There's no crease It's a very seamless looking screen. I think it looks fantastic in that way So I want to make sure they have that bone thrown towards them. But yeah, all the other folding phones, you're like massively increasing your screen real estate. With this one, you're going from extremely little to an acceptably normal amount.

Right. Because to me, the only reasons to change the form factor of a device are for utilitarian. Not the only reasons. How do I explain this? The problem with carrying around a tablet is that you have to have a bag for it. Whether it's a messenger bag or a backpack, it doesn't fit in your pants. And then when you go down to a phone, it fits in your pants. And then when you go down to a phone, it fits in your pants.

So it's like, for me, device classes, rather than being defined by the diagonal size of their screen in inches or whatever else, are defined by how you carry them. And it was always, that was always my problem with the iPad. People were pitching it as like this mobile revolution. And I'm like, yeah, if by mobility, you mean going upstairs and

downstairs in your house like for a while people were trying to do it but it's it's it's a joke to to consider an ipad something that you actually carry around with you every day just use a laptop like if you have actual work to do you're using a laptop and by the way if you put uh you know a type cover on your ipad it's a laptop so you know you played yourself congratulations yeah um so the problem that i have with a device like this is that it makes compromises and adds cost without changing the class of the device so what a foldable phone like the fold or the Mate X, I'm assuming, even though I haven't had it in my hands yet, but it's a similar concept,

what those do is they take a device that was previously too big to be carryable and make it everyday carryable. Whereas what this does is take a device that was already everyday carryable, even at its maximum unfolded size, and make it like a different shape everyday carryable, even at its maximum unfolded size, and make it like a different shape everyday carryable. And to me, the wow factor is a thing. People saw the Galaxy Fold and they were like, oh, wow, that's cool.

They would strike up a conversation with me, just randomly in my daily life. So that's something. But to me, that's not enough of a reason to spend $1,500 on new-tier, last-gen hardware. I don't buy it. Yeah, yeah. Last-gen hardware, not having Oreo on it yet.

There's just some things. New-tier, last-gen software, too. Yeah, there's some things that just kind of seem a little weird about it that don't make me super excited. I actually kind of like the idea of an option for a much smaller in your pocket phone um i i could see people going for that i don't necessarily really care but i could definitely see people going for that but if you think about like the the design trends of pants for example is having something that's smaller in the x and y dimensions but thicker actually yeah easier to carry yeah probably not having something slim is is better for most pairs

of pants no would be for me for sure i also think a big drawback is it's 1500 bucks yeah like it's really expensive that's a lot and i think there's going to be a nostalgia factor for people with just the name yeah guys you gotta understand this bears about as much resemblance to the original razor as like i i don't know I was gonna say a Durango to a Model T but I don't sure yeah fine fine I mean that's a Dodge but who cares yeah it doesn't matter the point is that yes they're both cellular telephones I guess but actually yeah the Durango example is perfect because Motorola is not even it It's not the same company anymore. The Motorola brand is owned by Lenovo now.

Yeah. So... It's not the same people making it. It's an extremely different phone in an extremely different era. Yeah, they could have called it something else, but they did this just to cash in on your nostalgia, and you should try to evaluate the device as it is rather than what you sort of remember it maybe

having been at it something time, rose-colored. Someone in chat said, screen isn't going to get scratched in your pocket. I mean, it still has a screen on the one side, and when's the last time you had a modern phone screen get scratched in your pocket? Also, when's the last time you didn't buy a screen protector from d brand for like a few bucks yeah prism go get it yeah like i i and even if you don't buy a d brand one you can get once on ebay or like

deal extreme or rally express for like literally like three dollars the first thing i did with my switch when i bought it was i bought a uh like little3. The first thing I did with my Switch when I bought it was I bought a little tempered glass screen protector thing to throw on my Switch. That costs almost nothing, and it was a pack of two just in case something happened with the first one. Yeah, so for the price of a normal flagship phone, like a Note 10 or 10 Plus like an iphone 11 pro or whatever you could buy yourself a lot of screen protectors to scratch up yeah just like a whole horde of them and get modern hardware yeah and another thing too like here's another issue that i have like who are they targeting with this like if it's supposed to be you know your fashionistas like with the original Motorola Razr where it was like a super trendy phone um those people take a lot of pictures and upload them to Instagram these days that wasn't as big of a deal back then I can guarantee you I haven't I haven't seen the

phone no one's seen the phone as far as I know uh but i can guarantee you the camera on this thing sucks because motorola hasn't made a single good mobile camera and especially in a phone in a form factor like this where they're going to be more thickness constrained i am not imagining for a second that the camera is going to somehow be you know a paradigm shift quantum leap forward for them so that that's a huge problem to me yeah so the customer random thing that i looked up a pixel 3 as a newer operating system in a newer cpu uh it has a little bit less memory i'll give you that much and it i think you can buy it with the same amount of storage but i'm not sure that's 600 bucks uh so you could buy one and if the screen

got scratched you could just throw it away and buy another one and still save money sorry this is a pixel 3 this is a pixel 3 okay yeah all right then so it's why it's one gen pixel 4 is a little bit too expensive you'd still save a lot of money buying a pixel 4 yeah but you could also just go it away when you know you don't like the color anymore or whatever yeah but you could also just go to a shop and get the screen replaced for nothing yeah well there's that too and save a lot of money so yeah that is not

the that is not a very relevant argument I would say but I mean the fact that we're down this rabbit hole I think underscores just the the kind of stupidity that we're dealing with here. I mean, I don't know. I might end up using the thing and being like, well, this thing is sick. But I doubt it.

I feel like, I genuinely feel like flipping it open is going to feel cool. Oh, yeah. Because I used to love that. You're going to feel like a badass. Yeah. I used to love my flip phone. A badass with no money and a last gen phone more than last gen that's the thing is the processor on the pixel 3 is notably better

than this it's a generation beyond in snapdragon architecture oh that's right too and it's a high end chip yeah so we're mid-range and a generation behind last year's pixel all right like what the heck man but yeah i think that's it for the show i'm gonna cover super chats because this is gonna be the first time that i don't forget to do them um when i'm by myself uh are you gonna hang around for super chats you're gonna take off i'd like to hear super chats all All right. Let's do this. Give me a sec The dirt This is so bizarre me calling into my own show Someone asked is the Samsung CRG 9 the best 49 inch gaming monitor CR G9, the best 49-inch gaming monitor.

There are not a lot of 49-inch gaming monitors, so I'm going to go with yes. Sure, yeah. With that said, if you're willing to go 55-inch, Alienware has their OLED model. Oh. Here's one that might interest you, Linus. A subcom risk map has been restored in the FAF vault. I am aware.

So this is so cool. When I complained in the tech hoarders video about this map that I really wanted to play that didn't exist anymore, the original developer dusted off his code after, I think, an eight-year hiatus or or ten year hiatus where it wasn't working and updated it that's so cool actually yeah so he emailed me and let me know and so I am I am waiting to try it I was actually kind of hoping you and I could play it I'm down I'm down a lot of people sending money from their Google Opinions rewards. Thank you. Thanks, dogs.

Yeah. Hey, guys from the UK. Love the videos and thanks. You and Luke got me into PC building. That's cool. Yeah. Thanks for the content. Apparently they're having issues with the Flowplane app for Android.

There's lots of updates actually coming out very recently. They're taking a very long time to propagate. So, like, when we launch a new update, they don't all immediately go to your phone. And I'm not sure exactly how it selects it. It seems like it's supposed to happen in downtime, which is generally overnight. But we found that it's taking, like like many days to actually propagate updates to everyone. So I don't know. But it is slowly but surely sending these updates out.

So eventually, hopefully, you'll get some updates that will fix some things. Jaden's been hard at work fixing a lot of different bugs on the app. Are we going to have an iOS app at some point? Yeah, he's actually also working on that right now. Okay, cool. hard at work fixing a lot of different bugs on the app. Are we going to have an iOS app at some point? Yeah, he's actually also working on that right now. Okay, cool. I'm getting the Razer Core X and 2060S opinion, please. Neat.

I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It seems pretty cool. If you want more graphics performance on your mobile device. Yeah. Yeah. Shroud collab video when? Someone's asking.

Oh, so soon. Shoot. I think it's in the next week or so. It's been a lot of work, guys. But it's going to be really good. Someone asked, hey, Linuk, I'm building a game dev PC. Should I wait for Black Friday slash Cyber Monday? Or are they likely to be out of stock?

Short answer is absolutely. Also, I'm assuming Linus Tech Tips is going to have a Black Friday video? Probably. I'm assuming we will, too. Yeah. I don't necessarily. Not always a guarantee, but yeah. Do do do. Sorry, I'm just skipping through some of these.

Don't know who else to give these super chats to. Perfect. That's exactly what I want to hear. That's exactly what I want to hear. Hey, I was watching your 10 gig home network video. Congrats on the upgrade. Did Jake use shielded connectors on your Cat6A cable? He didn't mention the grounding wire in his mini tutorial. No, I don't believe we did use shielded connectors. All right.

Hey, guys, I built my first PC and ran Ida64 stress test. Ryzen 5 2600 Plus stock cooler. PC turned off at 85 to 90 degrees Celsius. Is this normal? No, you should probably make sure that you put thermal paste on your cooler. Yeah, and make sure you don't have, like, the little plastic thing covering the bottom of the stock cooler, if it is there. I'm not sure on that one in particular.

Legitimately enjoying your videos, love how you've been a trailblazer, turning YouTube legit, respectful business, keep it up. That was from Jordan, thank you very much Jordan. Thanks Jordan. Would you be okay with me making a fan game of LTT for my project in my game development unit? Thanks, Jordan. As long as it's for educational purposes only, I'm not going to object to anyone utilizing our logo or our likenesses.

As soon as you tried to commercialize it, I think we'd have a bit of a problem on our hands. Yeah. That kind of makes sense. And I think try to keep the integrity of the people in it if you're using people you know um make sure you capture luke's full sex appeal please perfect yeah you got to get the badonkadonk in there uh bronson eagle says love you guys keep up the great work thank you very much Corey says what happened to the team face pins oh boy they are all in a room they're all sitting there at our headquarters in little velvet boxes and that is a great question for Nick you know what if you want to put some pressure on him

you can message the lttstore.com um support email and be like hey hey nick what's up um was just wondering what's up with the face pins i'd like to buy one they're so cool oh here we go okay someone answered my question he said hey luke the series with kyle was called stack attack and that's totally correct because you had this stack of cards That you could like play against the other person then it gave them a handicap Yeah, you guys should play stack attack. I actually really enjoyed watching those. I don't know how well they did So I'm not sure what the response to hey, we should do stack attack would be but yeah

$50 donation from someone named very unemployed which is an interesting combination He says as an architect and gamer 2080 ti worth it or should I wait for a price drop when the new models drop any advice? You'll be waiting a long time I don't think we're expecting anything new from Nvidia until sometime in the middle of 2020 So if you want to enjoy your graphics card for a little bit, I mean, one of the best things to do is you buy whatever it is that you can afford to buy, and then you keep your eye on the news.

You know, don't stop following the hardware. And then once the rumblings start to show up, you flip it, use something, you know, you go back to your old card for a month or whatever and then you get back you know 90 percent of what you spent on your 2080 ti and then you turn around and you put that towards a 3080 ti or whatever the case may be and if you do that every generation you only end up losing about you know one card worth of overall cost every you know eight to ten upgrades which is in the long term a lot cheaper than you know having it drop by 50 percent each generation or whatever the case may be if you're not staying on top of it i mean that's

what i used to do when i was uh you know young and poor and stuff. And I think GPUs would probably especially be a good example of that, which is where, like, honestly, upgrading every generation but doing it with that proper cadence is very possibly a better way to do it than waiting the, like, three to four that most people do. Yep. And if you buy used in the first place, then you lose less value on the flip so i was super into that just going through more of them now great videos as usual is secret shopper dead though secret shopper is not dead we aren't doing it this fall uh slash winter but we are hoping to bring it back next year with a new secret agent and a new co-host.

Will it be, I don't know if you want to disclose this, will it be the same thing? Are you going to be buying full PCs from System Integrators again, or are you going to be buying something else? Look, Spy, we are not giving you any hints as to our plans so you can go back to your boss and tell them you have no idea awesome um oh my goodness uh brendan stubs sent a ton of super chats at least four that all say this super chat is sponsored by gamers nexus okay thank you brendan fantastic i asked steve about that and apparently it was just like a light-hearted offhand comment yeah and then he was quite surprised that so many of his viewers ended up in the land show dropping super chat bombs on us light-handed off light-hearted offhand comments seem to be what

the internet really loves jumping on top of speaking of light-hearted offhand comments seem to be what the internet really loves jumping on top of. So, speaking of light-hearted offhand comments, can we cause some chaos here? Like, a-want-show viewers, how about this? On Steve's next stream, can you guys just pop in and be like The Verge sent us or something? Do-ha-ha-ha-ha! Yes! Don't say LTT. Don't say LTT. and be like the Verge sent us or something. Yes. Don't say LTT. Don't say LTT. Can you please make him shout out the Verge?

I would love that so much. Oh my God. And I would love it if he never figures out it was me. Yes. That would be amazing. You guys would totally make my Christmas. Oh yeah. That would be hilarious.

Please do that. Someone said, yay, money for Luke. That's not how this works, but thank you very much i appreciate it if you want to give money to luke you give it to him on his stream which i think starts in like an hour and a half yeah if i even do it because i'm not sure how long my voice is going to hold up but maybe um loving the new hairstyle linus i see you've gone oh right you are now a broom with a sharpied face on it by the way thank you that's what I was going for lots of comments about the the broom replacing Linus

oh wait is that what's there yeah there's a broom with your with a little smiley face on it I'm not Taryn did something I don't know oh I didn't know that. I thought they were just commenting on my actual hair. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, there's an actual straw broom here. I don't know where he got it from. Sweet. Someone's shouting

out a game, but I've never heard of it, so I'm not going to say the name just in case there's something weird, because there's a lot of weird games these days. Are we going to have the name just in case there's something weird because there's a lot of weird games these days. Are we going to have an LTT winter hat slash toque? We wanted to do one. We didn't get it done in time, and it won't be winter anymore by the time we could get something done, so no. Right.

Makes sense. Maybe next winter. Super pumped for LTX 2020, living out our lives to be in the tech gods tech geeks paradise heck yeah sweet um is buying and selling use CPUs a thing yeah oh yeah I don't think it's almost never die so like yeah it's one of the safest components to buy and sell used yeah Yeah, even motherboards, because motherboards do die. So if you keep a relatively old motherboard for probably roughly two, three generations and then try to flip it if it still works,

you can make pretty good money because the CPUs will be more common and the motherboards will not. It's actually really funny because motherboards have this weird value curve where they go way down and then way up and it only started happening recently like in the last five to six years because cpu performance wasn't changing really dramatically so there were all these old but like still perfectly good processors out there and no motherboards to install them in yeah that said i

think the way that amd is pushing performance forward right now is going to mean a big drop off in value for all ports compared to what we've been used to seeing over the past half a decade or so i think that makes sense i think it might be stemmed a little bit by the the software side not necessarily mirroring the performance improvement that's fair. But the hype is definitely there. So I think it will have at least a bit of an impact. Hype, hype, hype, hype, hype. Yup. Any update on the glow-in-the-dark...

This is the last Super Chat. Any update on the glow-in-the-dark Constellations shirt experiment? I have washed it three times so far, and up until this point i am pretty satisfied with the way that the glow-in-the-dark effect has remained on the shirt um i will be giving it a little bit more time um you know i don't want to draw my conclusions too early because if we're going to change something as beloved as constellations we want to make sure that we're changing it for the better but right now it looks promising.

Sorry, I lied. There are more Super Chats. The Super Chat window was like glitching out and wasn't showing them all. And I'm definitely going to end here, though, because I have to go home eventually. But there's two more. Ryan says, Linus, I need a new pair of sandals. What do you recommend? Oh, man.

So usually I wear Echos, but my last pair of them honestly not that great um actually wait hold on yeah these are echoes too yeah no my last pair of them is not that great like the uh the flaps when you're closing the top one um get like kind of folded over each other and stuff when you're doing it up a lot of the time it wears it out faster um that's echo as an ecc right yeah yeah um i don't really have a solid recommendation to be honest i mean let me just see i think i still have my my old pair that lasted a lot better i'm trying to figure out what model it is it's hard to say um powered by receptor technology yeah i don't know like how how hard is it for shoes to just like have a proper model name on them yeah shoe models are rough sometimes i think a nike does okay with it but yeah um and then the last one is luke this money would be yours if your PC could handle streaming.

Oof. Oh, wow. Oof. Just shots fired. I think that's what the kids call a big oof. Shots fired. But okay, guys. Thank you guys for coming.

We'll see you next week. I'm going to roll the intro. I can't believe how random this was. Someone brought, like, the world's tiniest Apple box, which is some Ikea thing, and I stacked that with

the comic book box on top of it, and then put the phone on top of that. Was the audio okay? Um, no one's really complaining, so I think it's not great, but it's, like, fine. box on top of it and then put the phone on top of that. Is the audio okay? No one's really complaining, so I think it's not great, but it's like fine. Yay! Squarespace! Comet Garage!

Alright, thank you guys, see you later.