The WAN Show - Foldable iPhone.. YES!! - WAN Show January 1, 2021

Episode Date: January 4, 2021

Buy LTT water bottles on Amazon: http://lmg.gg/lttbottleamzn Check out Seasonic's PRIME 850 W Titanium on Amazon at https://lmg.gg/seasonicprime Start your build today at https://www.buildredux.com/linus Learn more and try KernelCare+ for 7 days on all your servers at https://hubs.ly/H0BNgfv0 Check out Carpool Critics, our new movie podcast: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt-oJR5teQIjOAxCmIQvcgA Timestamps (Courtesy of Pizza Thyme Pizza FanClub) 0:00 Start 0:24 Linus And Luke's New Years experience. 1:42 Topics to be covered 3:09 Intro 3:52 Linus forgot something 4:30 Foldable iPhones and Apple's whole product ecosystem  4:40 Two different hinge designs  5:20 Apple has been introducing more SKUs of the iPhone since original launch  7:39 Apple is likely to make folding phones as a parallel product line   9:53 Nintendo is similar to Apple with killing popular products and reimagining it.  13:24 Future iPhone lineup predictions  14:33 iFold as a new device?  17:14 iPod's Reason for Existence  20:02 Airpod versus Beats  22:23 Beats May Have Been Bought to be Killed  24:35 Details on Foldable iPhone Prototypes 27:15 The Artificial Sun Rises in the East (Fusion Reactor)  27:22 Superconducting Fusion Tokamak Reactor Operates for 20 seconds  28:37 Current issues with fusion reactors 29:39 Tyler update 33:17 Hedge Fund Advices Intel to Outsource CPU Manufacturing  33:26 Just because you give someone funding does not mean you know how to use it.  35:18 Hedge fund demands intel shed CPU manufacturing.  37:03 Gamers Nexus Disappointment 2020 Build.  38:22 Hedge fund manager victim of Dunning-Kruger effect.  39:38 Linus's Speculation on TSMC Intel Collaboration  42:58 How Intel Differs From The Competition 45:06 Sponsor Spots ft Incorrect Banners  45:30 Redux  46:25 Seasonic  47:52 KernalCare 49:01 LMG hiring interview with Madison tomorrow 51:47 Linus selling water bottles on Amazon. 54:00 Apple knew about child labor for years. 55:50 Shroud  56:24 Shocker Linus knows what happens in videos and acts first reactions sometimes.  58:48 Linus Reacts to Shroud Reacts to Linus Tech Tips 1:02:00 Superchats  1:02:03 Hello from Texas  1:02:17 What will happen to old LTT servers?  1:02:56 Apple Child Labor Hypocrisy  1:05:00 Northern Lights Deskpad  1:05:38 Dell Update  1:05:56 Linus workstation stream  1:06:32 Underwear in stock when? 1:10:18 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're to go live says YouTube. Oh shoot, that's too far. Okay, is this gonna... Oh, I think we're live. I think we're live. Welcome to the WAN show, ladies and gentlemen. I hope you are ready for a fantastic New Year's show today. That's right, it is the 1st of January

because, well, Luke and I, quite honestly, are pretty boring people. I'm making some assumptions about Luke, but I did not. No, you're on it. I heard a bunch of noise outside and I was like, hey, hon, what is that? And Yvonne's like, fireworks. It's midnight. And I was like, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, that thing. What did you get up to? I had the sliding door open because it was a little warm. So I was letting the house cool down a little bit. And then the fireworks went off. So as the old person that I am, I closed the door as to not bother the bird. That was my New Year's experience. Nice.

Nice. I like it it you know what i was supposed to eat the fancy uh the fancy ice cream that dennis got for me and yvonne for christmas we were gonna watch a movie and um well unfortunately the plan was to watch wonder woman 1984 and according to the carpool critics anyway, it's like, eh. So, yeah. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, so I'm not sure that I'm going to bother. She's made it about a third of the way through.

What do you think of Wonder Woman so far? It's okay. She says, it's okay. So, yeah, all right. Sounds about right. We've got a bunch of great topics for you guys today. Two foldable iPhone prototypes have reportedly passed internal durability tests at Apple. How freaking sick would that be? In other news, Shroud apparently watches LTT videos on stream on a fairly regular basis.

Okay, I didn't know this. So I had the experience about this on WAN before. Well, whatever. So I had the experience today of watching someone watch me, which is real surreal. And what I've decided is that later on during the wan show since um shroud didn't ask my permission to show my videos on stream without asking his permission i'm gonna show his video of him watching my video on my stream and we're gonna see how far we can take this okay so there you go that's my two topics for today inception Inception, I like it. What else have we got? The artificial sun rises in the east. I'm going to give you no further details.

That's just, we're leaving it at that. Also, a major hedge fund advises Intel to outsource CPU manufacturing, which is quite spicy. Yeah, why don't we talk about that? But only after the intro. the show is brought to you today by oh balls i forget um someone for sure though sea sonic redux and kernel care plus that's right uh oh shoot that means i set up totally the wrong uh lower thirds for later that's okay i we will sort that out later okay oh no i said there was gonna i said there was something that i was gonna like save for the show didn't i

did i give you any context for it whatsoever oh no i don't think so oh what were we talking about it wasn't we were talking about development stuff development stuff i was talking about floatplane stuff crap uh all right well it was pretty cool to be in mr beast rewind today so that's one thing that kind of flashed through my brain while we were talking about that But thanks that was not the thing that I wanted to talk about. That's okay. Why don't we jump right into two iPhone? prototypes allegedly allegedly Passing internal durability tests at Apple. This is pretty freaking exciting so this is according to taiwanese website economic daily news and according to them tests of an apple designed folding hinge system for two different iphones

were reportedly recently completed at the foxconn factory in shenzhen china what do you think that would mean if it's two different iphones do you think that would mean the high end low end of their entire next launch no i think that would be two different sizes of probably a completely new utterly unique skew interesting okay and that would be something that even i don't know even two years ago i probably wouldn't have predicted but if you look at apple's trend over the last three to five years, I mean, do you remember when the iPhone was the iPhone? And Apple's silly branding where they don't call it an iPhone or the iPhone. They just call it iPhone. Do you remember when that actually made sense because there was only one iPhone?

Well, that's been dead forever. Like their current lineup. Let's pull this up. Let's pull this up,'s let's pull this up ladies and gentlemen apple.apple.com okay wait yes it was something i was gonna screen share okay where is it maybe it was the shroud thing okay it doesn't matter the point is let's pull up apple.com so under iphone you've got iphone 12 pro two different sizes iphone 12 two different sizes iphone se iphone 11 iphone 10r and then you've got this this compare feature

so you've got a you've got a compare feature because there's so many iphones you need a feature specifically to figure out you much iPhone is enough for you. And to be clear, I'm not saying that it's a terrible idea or anything to have lots of iPhones available for your customers. I'm just saying that that wasn't Apple's traditional approach with the iPhone. The idea was that when you bought an iPhone, you were getting this curated, this validated experience. Wait, it was something to do with the Model Y video, I think. It doesn't matter. Fine, I'm over it. What's happening then is that, whether it's from a developer perspective

or a user perspective, the iPhone is changing. Currently, you can get iPhones with all kinds of different sizes, all kinds of different capabilities. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that you could still get, actually, no, you can still get an iPhone with a touch, touch ID home button. you can still get an iPhone with a Touch ID home button. Like that is a fundamentally very different experience compared to the current paradigm, which is motion and, or excuse me,

motion gesture control and using Face ID. So two, three years ago, I would have said, no, there's no way that Apple, that if there's no way that Apple, that if there's that if there's no way they're going to bring out like a completely separate model of folding iPhone. Now I'm looking at it going, there's no way that they don't. Because Apple, if anything, has shown themselves to be extremely conservative about forcing

their users to change unless they've offered a compelling upgrade option. So, for example, the iPhone SE, still kicking around for people who want Touch ID and who want a physical button. iPhone 12 mini is something that they finally brought out to address the need from users for a smaller, one-handable iPhone. And they're very tactical about the way that they do these things. They will they will wait three to four years, which they know is a reasonable

upgrade cycle for like a non enthusiast. And then they'll go, Okay, have we managed to get these guys to upgrade? No. All right. Okay. All right. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's continue to support this segment of our customer base. There's no way that they're just going to bring in a folding iPhone and replace the iPhone Pro. I don't buy it. Then again, I would have also said there's no way they're just going to completely remove Touch ID and say, okay, it has to be Face ID. If you want a new iPhone, you want a high end iPhone. That's it. You're done. You're out. So I kind of talked myself out of it.

Maybe maybe the iPhone folding iPhone fold or whatever they end up calling it. They definitely won't call it that because Galaxy Fold, they got to come up with a new name. So maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the iPhone will replace the high end but i i don't know man it was yeah i'm kind of on each side because they they don't normally introduce a feature this big without making a sweeping change but they have also been trending in the direction of more phones and more large feature differences between the phones so i could see them going in either direction this is a great comment from Endangered Tiger

over in the YouTube chat. It's totally off topic. I don't know who the hell they're talking to or what it's about. The comment is, a 3DS would be more reliable, which has nothing to do with what we're talking about. But what I liked about the comment is it made me think of the Nintendo DS.

So Nintendo is one of those companies like Apple, where they will go out and they will have a great product. And I don't know, maybe like Apple was, they're the kind of company that will go out, they'll have a great product in the market. It's selling awesome. Developers love it. Gamers love it it and they will completely get rid of it and take everything that people loved about it and reinvent it sometimes with great success like with the Wii and other times with not as much success like the Virtual Boy I think is probably you know the biggest failure that I can think of in Nintendo's history where they took something that was working well and just completely broke it, but in like a bad way. And, you know, that made me think, I mean, if Nintendo has the the chutzpah to go, hey, that single screen gaming experience, we're going to we're going to flip it, flip it on its ear.

We're going to put we're going to put two screens. Maybe Apple, maybe Apple has the stones too. Maybe they do. I mean, they have the money. That's one thing with Nintendo is every single time they do one of these big, crazy Y absorb the failure, but they have the money in the bank to have that decision be a problem and be able to continue moving forward. Apple doesn't seem to play that game, though. Like, Apple doesn't even acknowledge mistakes.

Like, that's part of their image. Yeah, do you remember the antenna problems and stuff? Like, you're holding the phoneakes. That's part of their image. Do you remember the antenna problems and stuff? Holding the phone wrong? It's your fault. 100%. I mean, that was way back with the iPhone 4, though. Or 4S, I think. Whatever. I mean, it's happened more recently than that. You look at the trash can.

The trash can was a rare exception, actually. They did eventually, once they had a product in the pipeline, they did eventually acknowledge that it was terrible. And then more recently, you've got the keyboards on the last couple of generations of MacBook Pros. They have fixed it now in the last, I think, two gens it's fixed. But they just kept revising the product.

They kept shipping them. They just kept shipping them. And they absorbed the cost in like their own way. So they just keep selling it. So they keep having the revenue, but then they just like keep having people bring them back to the Apple store to replace them. Yeah, exactly. Which is like bizarre to me, but it's, I mean, that's just kind of like Apple's approach.

I don't think they have the, the humility to release something and not be sure if it's going to be a success and be willing to just bail. they were uh using the highest standards for uh partnership integrity so i just wanted to throw that little little comment in there i don't think it's a i don't think there's a lot of details really so i don't think it's its own it is in the doc actually oh yeah we can we can talk about that a little bit more later but okay sounds good oh here it is yeah i didn't see it my bad so with okay with all that in mind i want to bet i want to bet so let's look at the current iphone uh iphone lineup okay so we've still got the uh the iphone 11 uh the iphone se which is your your your home button one we've still got the 10r which is your budget but like kind of all the the modern experience one we've got iphone 11 it's

pretty typical for them to keep the last gen around for a while. That's not a new thing. And so really in the new lineup, you've got the iPhone 12, which has a more basic camera, all the same internal hardware. They're all lightning fast. So you've got the iPhone 12 in a mini and a normal size. And then you've got the pro in a normal and a gigantic size how does the folding iphone iphones probably how does it fit into that kind of four model new launch experience or strategy hit me you have to you have to be firm oh my uh i would i would i almost i'm still thinking i'm not committing to this quite yet i will give you a firm answer but i'm almost wondering if they if they do like a new device i'm almost wondering if they do like a new device type of launch thing um where it's not it's not even an iphone it's like an ipod style device i didn't even think of that because that's one of apple's things you know what that's it yeah that's

a really good thought because one of apple's things over the last 10 years is you don't with the iphone right why mess up a good thing because iphone revenue is so much more than just selling iphones it's all about collecting that sweet cheddar from app developers and that sweet cheddar from icloud subscriptions and what's it called apple plus or whatever their new thing is it's got like games and tv and workouts and all that crap not to mention accessories i mean apple is the king of turning the accessory purchases into standalone like large purchases you know with apple watch airpods max i mean you could actually spend more on accessories to connect to your iphone than you spent on the iphone it's genius it's genius and so yeah and like all of those things would be different for this

device and you actually said it yourself earlier because if they called it the which i don't think they will but if they called it the i-fold yeah that's a new device it's not an iphone that's true it's not the iphone fold it's an iphone so it's somewhere in between like iphone and ipad and yeah it wouldn't even be that weird that the that the waters are kind of muddied in that way because the ipad already had cellular connectivity for example and was already capable has already been capable for years and years even if it doesn't have a sim card in it of calling through facetime um well this time uh through facetime so the idea that this could be just like

another device but see that's where i run into trouble because that's also part of apple's philosophy is that every device in their lineup exists um for a purpose and to be used with each other like it would be very normal to have an iphone and an ipad and an imac and and airpods um but to have an iphone and an ifold is weird yes so if you look at if you look at apple's like let's look at the whole product lineup here instead of just focusing on the phone. You've got your iPhone. There's a lot of different iPhones, but you've got your iPhone. You've got your AirPods. You've got what else?

What about iPod though? Having an iPod and an iPhone is a bit weird. The iPod is a toy. That's why the iPod is separate from everything else in apple's lineup it is a it is a relic it's a holdover it's for kids it's for people who don't have a cellular plan yet it's it's a cheaper it's a cheaper iphone for people who are not ready to have a phone yet or whose parents are not ready for them to have a phone yet that's why the ipod exists so i don't i don't count the ipod because it existed it exists from so long ago that it almost has

nothing to do with apple's current strategy and it doesn't have to man go to the go to the ipod page right now and check out those bezels uh i can't even find the iPod page. Is that music? Click on music. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. iPod touch. Oh, Oh Lordy.

Wow. That really is. Damn boy. Damn boy. Damn boy. Yeah. Okay. So that's a fair point.

Let's go. Let's go back to here. So, so everything else though you could easily so everything with its own name you could easily have a macbook for when you're out and about and iMac for at home a Mac Pro for at work or whatever and then Mac mini could be like you know the PC for your kids to play on or whatever else. Okay. iPad. Yeah. So they're all iPads here. So you only need one iPad, but that's your, that's your couch surfer. You know, that's your second screen when you're doing something else,

right? Apple pencil. Okay. Keyboards. No, that's actually not a problem because they all fit within there. They're all iPads. Exactly. It doesn't matter that there's a bunch of them. They're all iPads. That's right. You don't need more than one. You only need one iPad because they all serve the same function. And that's where I think our speculation about the iFold falls apart. Because even though there's an iPad mini and a gigantic iPad Pro, which is like, you know, the difference in size between these devices.

I mean, we're talking the difference between a Kindle. And like, I remember the first time I got on a plane and saw someone like reading the news on an iPad Pro, like they might as well have had a freaking like newspaper in their seat with them. Like it's gigantic. And but even though there's such a size difference, functionally, they are basically the same. And that's where the iF fold falls into this really weird territory

where when it's folded out it is functionally an ipad and when it's folded down it is functionally an iphone and so it almost steps on both this is this is a bit of this is a bit of a side thing, but there is also AirPod and Beats. Yeah. It's a bit of a side thing, but it is. Holy, sorry. It is a bit of a departure from their like single brand things. That is true, especially now with the AirPods Max. Like before when AirPods was more like your in-ears.

And I actually, I didn't even talk about this in my video, but I hate the branding for the AirPods Max. It makes no sense to me. AirPods are called AirPods because they're ear pods that go over the air. Yeah, yeah. And AirPods Pros are AirPods that are better. AirPods Max are not AirPods.

They're over-the-ear headphones. They are nothing to do with AirPods. And I get that Apple is, I mean, it's their word. They can decide it means whatever they want. That's their right. But it just, yeah, it doesn't roll across the tongue naturally. And it kind of breaks their own naming scheme. Like you look at iPhone and iPhone pro, they're both fundamentally the same thing, but one's

like a bit more better. Whereas, and then iPhone pro max is like the, a bit more better one, but like bigger. And so I get from like a functionality standpoint standpoint if what makes it pro is active noise cancellation then sure yeah then wait should it be wait should they be airpods pro max then they sure as heck shouldn't be airpods max so both the physical design and the functionality like it just ah it doesn't really work but i mean apple to temporarily move away from the branding comment what we were talking about earlier like if we go into this music section and we're talking about individually named things having a home pod and having uh one of the airpods even if you got the airpods

or airpods pro and an airp Max, I could even understand that maybe. Totally. Oh, I can 100% understand that. There's a very different use case for those two. There are very different things. Yeah. But the whole Beats section is weird. So there is at least one.

It's not the same, but there's at least one, at least somewhat breakout from the standard. Do you think that Beats just goes away eventually i think so personally i mean they're not like the fact that they have all these different types of beats they even have the like full uh over the headband all that kind of stuff they have a whole bunch of different types of smaller ones blah blah blah but they're all tucked away in the beat section, which is on the far right, kind of on its own. And then all the AirPods have their own buttons. Like, they're clearly not giving it as much attention as the other sections.

It was honestly really strange to me. I do wonder what the patents were that Apple were after, maybe, or something. It was very baffling to me that Apple, the King of building branding bought what it was essentially a brand. I think it wanted to just, I think beats had a lot of the mental market share that Apple usually wants. So did they buy it to kill it? To kill it or just to take that mental market share that Apple usually wants. So did they buy it to kill it? To kill it or just to take that mental market share? Because I think that type of market share

that they had, which was like, who cares about the cost? I need this product because everyone else has this product. Yeah. Which is often the angle that I feel like the Apple marketing kind of goes with. Very similar demo. Absolutely had that. They owned had that they owned it completely absolutely so i think i think apple was like this is the easiest we we buy them and then we own that and if we want to like work on our branding and make it better sure but we keep it there so that we own that and we slow boil this frog where eventually beats is not the cool, sexy headphones to wear. And Apple headphones are the cool, sexy headphones to wear. And you think about it from like an Apple perspective.

What did they pay? A billion dollars? Yeah. So like whatever. Yeah. To Dr. Dre, that's a lot of money. Dre's stoked. Yeah.

And like I'm sure other people that were invested in that are stoked. Yeah. But Apple, they got their market. Billion dollars? 100%. Like what? Yeah, whatever. One fell swoop and they got their whole thing.

So that's an interesting sort of take on it. We haven't actually gone through a lot of the other points that are in the doc about the foldable iPhone rumor. of the other points that are in the doc about the foldable iPhone rumor. Right. So it's said to be a dual screen model, which is likely the same dual display prototype rumored by Jon Prosser in June 2020. So it'd be kind of like the Surface Duo, two individual screens with a hinge in the middle, but when flat, the display would look seamless. The second prototype to have undergone testing is reportedly a clamshell foldable, much like

the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip or Moto Razr. Reports claim that the clamshell model is set to use a flexible Samsung OLED display. Previous reports have also said Apple ordered a large number of Samsung foldable mobile phone display samples for testing purposes earlier in 2020. I love, I love the Z Fold 2 or Galaxy Fold Z 2, whatever they call this stupid thing. Why didn't they just call it Fold 2? z fold 2 or galaxy fold z2 whatever they call this stupid thing why didn't they just call it fold 2 i think we were saying uh back when we actually did wan shows from the office uh we were talking for a while there a few shows in a row but how we thought folding phones were going to

be the future we just weren't there yet um and apple kind of makes things the now oh yeah oh yeah um so they they could absolutely do it when apple does it it's mainstream it's that simple uh it's unclear if the two devices um to have been tested had different hinge systems they are purported to be shells with very limited internals rather than like fully working devices and the main purpose of the testing was to assess the durability of the apple hinge and And now the testing has concluded. Apple is expected to evaluate which of the two foldable models to proceed with, and only one will be carried forwards into development.

Okay, so there you go. That answers our question. We could have just read the doc. I actually still enjoy that kind of speculation anyway. It's just kind of fun because the reality of it is, you know, just because Apple has a working folding hinge or whatever doesn't even mean that we will see it next September. It could be the September after. It could be the one after that. What they do well

is they wait. So no, Apple's not going to be the first to do an under display camera, for example. In fact, that already exists. There's a short circuit video of me unboxing an under display camera phone but apple's gonna wait till it's good the one that i unboxed not great it's like it works it works and it's like it's incredible like it's cool it's cool as heck but it's not apple polished you know what what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Apple's filed for a large number of patents, blah, blah, blah. Late 2022 or 2023 at the earliest, says, predicts UDN. And in other news, the artificial sun rises in the east.

Okay, what is this? It's superconducting fusion device. If I remember correctly, it ran for 20 seconds, which is actually kind of crazy. Ion temperature of over 100 million degrees. Wow. Oh, my goodness. Their 2019 operation ran for eight seconds.

Their 2018 operation ran for 1.5 seconds. That's wild. The K-Star is one of the most advanced tokamak, I hope I'm saying that right, style reactors in the world. These devices use powerful magnetic fields to shape superheated plasma into a torus ring shape. to shape superheated plasma into a torus ring shape. The team says an improved internal transport barrier, or ITB, performance was the key to this most recent improvement. So yeah, something ran with an island temperature of under 100 million degrees for 20 freaking seconds. And they're hoping to improve stability to 300 seconds of continuous operation by 2025 but you can see they they seem to do kind of yearly testing so we'll probably see steps along the way towards that 300 second goal

as we move forward over the years so wild there's one small problem with current fusion reactors remember the idea behind a fusion reactor is that it's supposed to be used to generate electricity. And currently, they actually consume more energy than they produce. The current record holder is actually the Joint European Taurus, which can produce 16 megawatts of power from 24 megawatts of input power. So, you know, not exactly a perpetual motion machine just yet, but hey, any progress in fusion power is, you might say, bright point for humanity. But yeah, I don't know. it's not generating power right now it can only run for 20 freaking seconds stuff like that but we'll get there um and it's

very very cool to see development in that direction um oh i've been asked for an update on tyler so we are setting a time Do we have a time set for the stream? Tentatively, yes. Next Friday, I think. So it's tentatively set for next Friday after WAN show. I think we're still finalizing what game we're going to be playing. Yes, I have some

input on that, which might be helpful. His family has created a GoFundMe to help with some of the costs associated with bringing him back to Alberta, actually, is where most of his family has created a GoFundMe to help with some of the costs associated with bringing him back to Alberta actually is where most of his family is located. As well as some of the other costs associated with people passing away. And I just wanted to say, you know,

thank you to our community for, for the most part, being just incredibly um just i don't just great uh yeah just like you guys have said so much about you know what his he was behind the scenes a lot but i've seen so many stories from people about just like you know the 10 second interaction they had with him at ltx or um just how much they appreciated what he did even though he you know didn't 10 second interaction they had with him at LTX or, um, just how much they appreciated what he did, even though he, you know, didn't get to be the face of, of the content or, or whatever else. Um, we're going to have some time during the stream for people to talk about their experiences working with him. You know, not everyone has said they're comfortable sharing it

themselves. So I might read out some people's's messages i want to talk about some of my experience working with him he was just such uh just such a creative he's just such a creative person um yeah we're we're all gonna miss him and uh so yeah yeah go ahead i'm gonna i think i'm gonna save most of my stuff for for that stream but um i think jake actually said it really well on twitter um it's an extremely genuine person that was a that was a big thing with tyler too um yeah tyler is real if you want to see if you want to see something it wasn't like necessarily received super well at the time but if you want to see something, it wasn't necessarily received super well at the time, but if you want to see something that him and I worked on that I cherish a lot personally,

look on Fly to Sectips' channel. I think it was called The Future of Offline Gaming. It's actually a pretty cool video, and him and I worked on that a lot together, and he's in it a fair amount, mostly in B-roll stuff. Yeah. worked on that a lot together and he's in it a fair amount, uh, mostly in, in B-roll stuff, but yeah. Yep. So, uh, uh, next, next week, sensitively after WAN show is when we're, we're going to do it. And, uh, uh, yeah, that's, uh, thank you. Thank you for asking. Um, it's not

that we've forgotten or anything. It's just that it's, it's kind of complicated to put together you know we want to make sure that we're giving our staff an opportunity to to talk and an opportunity to to sort of share with you guys about him we want to make sure that we're working with the family in a way that's you know respectful of their needs and their privacy and you know not rushing anything and also trying to trying to get you guys closure as soon as we can so it's just it's a lot of moving parts um big shout out to Yvonne for doing a lot of the coordination with between our staff and his family and everything she's um got a lot on her plate right now with like accounting gear and she's actually like right

next to me uh with a gigantic spreadsheet open right now but she's uh she and tyler were actually like friends aside from just being colleagues so um yeah she's she's put a lot into it um in other news we have a major hedge fund that has advised intel to outsource their cpu manufacturing and can i just take a moment before we go through this to say this is why i have never been willing to take any investment in linus media group and this story is exactly why i am so yeah why i'm so glad to to not have any kind of external investment i'm not saying intel doesn't need to change things intel absolutely needs to make changes but to have people come in and think that just because they have a lot of money to buy my shares or invest in my company or whatever the case may be

means that they have the requisite knowledge to tell me how to spend it is just, I find it offensive. And, you know, maybe there's even some kernels of truth in here. Like I said, haven't read through it yet, but just the idea of someone coming in and telling me you know no we can't pay that person that much or you know instead of investing in creator warehouse and merch you need to invest in doing you know more uh more fully sponsored videos for brands that um force you to say things that you don't believe in. You know, because I can tell you guys, if I wanted to make a lot more money, there are a ton of brand deals that I could do that pay really well.

Just really slimy. And they reduce your principles and the core idea of your operation. But are just gross. Like there's some categories that we haven't and will never touch. And it's not for lack of sometimes bidding wars to get us to, you know, whether it's, you know, I'm not going to name anyone. It's just not constructive.

But we just, we won't do it. So, hedge fund Third Point has taken a $1 billion stake in Intel, that that's with a b and has called the chip maker to consider shedding its manufacturing operations their ceo wrote intel a letter with a number of demands for intel chairman omar ishrek this is great uh this is in quotes we cannot fathom how the boards who presided over intel's decline could have permitted management to fritter away the company's leading market position, Loeb wrote to Intel chairman Omar Israq. Without saying anything more, I completely agree.

Yeah, it's a fair point. Stakeholders will no longer tolerate such apparent abdications of duty. Ooh. Ooh. Can I just take a moment and say, Daniel, dude, kind of a douche. Who talks like that? What is wrong with you? Okay, hold on. It goes on, though.

The loss of manufacturing leadership and other missteps have allowed several semiconductor competitors to leverage tsmcs and samsung's process technology prowess and gain significant market share at intel's expense lobe wrote uh-huh um so here's the thing everything that mr expert daniel loa wrote in this letter is something that like he could have known like watching a video on Gamers Nexus. You know, like it's not not even Gamers Nexus. No, no, never mind. You don't have to watch Steve. You don't have to sit through Steve's boring droning on forever in order to get this kind of information.

To get this kind of information. Oh, speaking of not boring Steve. OK, my goodness. This is this kind of information. It's not boring. To get this kind of information. Oh, speaking of not boring, Steve, okay? My goodness, this is a thing, okay? They outdid themselves. They outdid themselves on the Disappointment 2020 build. Hold on a second. I posted a community post about it earlier because it's unreal.

Their Disappointment pc series does not get enough credit it's only got like 230 000 views but the like dislike ratio tells you everything you need to know about this video check check check this out okay hold on a second i uh okay they did like a whole thing look at this do you see this is custom these are cpus those were like rtx shroud inspired things like this goes on for literally minutes of like steve building like a ghost pc that like it's actually it's all it's all paper and it all turns to paper and he's in this weird mirror room full of graphics cards. Look, don't miss it.

Go watch it. Even if you don't watch the rest of the video, I don't care. I don't blame you. You know, he talks forever. But you got to watch the intro because it is actually like PC enthusiast art. That is the best way to describe it.

You need to go watch it. So anyway, I'm trying to think of something more mainstream like like you know gizmodo okay like what uh what's his name daniel daniel reads an article on gizmodo and like suddenly he's an expert on like you know like if he scrolled his phone on reddit technology for like an hour one morning he would have been able to write this strongly worded letter. I don't disagree with him. It's just, it's not necessarily a highbrow take.

So in the past year, in fairness, in the past year, Intel has lost, what, $60 billion in market value. Brutal. The hedge fund said it was particularly concerned at the loss of talented Intel, saying the company had lost many of its best chip designers, while the ones that remained are becoming increasingly demoralized. This is actually something that I have heard through the grapevine about what's going on at Intel.

And I mean, it's not like we didn't see that complacency five, six years ago. We watched it happen. We watched them go from, hey, we need to push the limits to, hey, we need to, I don't know, not really bother because we need to cut costs so we can just make more money because we don't have any freaking competition. So that's a good point. It should be noted that even if Intel was to outsource their chips, they don't need to be completely fabless like AMD does. Almost a quarter of Intel's wafers are currently being outsourced, so they could potentially leverage TSMC to restore the competitiveness of their chips while still making lower tier processors in-house. But honestly, I don't think that's going to fly, and I think we already kind of know TSMC's take on that. If I recall correctly, they actually did

comment on it publicly, although it might actually, it might've been industry scuttle, but either way, it sounds credible enough. I think they basically said, look, Intel is a fab company. We're not going to build out capacity to serve their needs,

knowing that this is not a long-term partnership in the way that AMD or Nvidia would be, you know, so too bad. Intel, you like making CPUs, then make CPUs. You don't like making CPUs, stop making CPUs. I think if I'm TSMC, I'm kind of all or nothing because I've got customers coming out my butt at this point. You know, Apple, AMD, Nvidia, to name a few. I mean, Nvidia went Samsung this time around, but it's not like they're never going to work with TSMC again. I'd be shocked. So Intel responded. It was great. Intel welcomes input from all investors regarding enhanced shareholder value. In that spirit, we look forward to engaging

the third point on their ideas towards that goal. It's just like these are not ideas. Saying, you know, hey, you need to keep shrinking CPUs. Do you honestly think there's no one at Intel who knows that? Like, yes, they made some mistakes, but the mistakes that they made, and this, I don't know if this is a fundamental misunderstanding of like how CPU design and manufacturing works. If Intel doesn't have a competitive product today,

that means they made a mistake six years ago. Like they know they are in deep hot water right now. There is no way that they're not trying to fix these problems. So coming in, buying a big stake in the company and being like, you guys should make CPUs with like less nanometers. We heard nanometers are bad. So you need as few nanometers as possible. It just, I don't know. It's just kind of silly to me. So I guess third point's never going to invest in my business

now that I was rude to Mr. Loeb, but that's okay because I don't want investment in my business. So I think it's fine. People on the internet aren't convinced. TLDR hedge fund wants to loot Intel, destroying its future competitiveness in exchange for massive payoff now yeah that's not a bad take

here's another good take Intel will right its ship given a chance why can't these parasites wait one to three years oh man that is the take of this is why Linus doesn't want outside investment yeah does gutting national tech competency and capacity just to avoid That is the take of this is why Linus doesn't want outside investment. Yeah.

Does gutting national tech competency and capacity just to avoid a short-term dip in profit sound like a good idea to anyone but a filthy capitalist? I added the word filthy. These investors buying a billion dollars of Intel so they can tell Intel what to do, that's some serious cash. But based on today's market cap, that's about 0.5% of Intel that they control. So unless they can persuade some other real investors, there's no way this is going anywhere. Yeah, that's fair enough. I mean, it's not like I don't think Intel needs to change things. They absolutely do. I mean, one of the things that is so telling to me,

you look at companies that are just killing it right now in the semiconductor space. AMD, CEO. What's AMD CEO's background? Luke, can you recall off the top of your head? It's not business, if I remember correctly. I don't remember exactly what it is. Dr. Lisa Suess, an engineer. An engineer. engineer yeah but i didn't remember of of exactly nvidia nvidia what background is what background does their ceo have again is it in finance is it does he have an mba i don't believe so engineer so to me it's just it's one of those things where it's like it's a it's a tough decision to make. But I think that you need to put for Dr. Sue, you need to put engineers back in charge of Intel because business people are great at maximizing profits. But that's a short term thing. If you want great products, which is ultimately how you make a profit, then you need to put smart people who

actually know how the products are built in charge. You need to put people who know what the products are for in charge. And well, good luck, Intel. I mean, I'm really, you know, I'm rooting for you because you see what happened. The second AMD didn't have a competitor, they increased the price of their entire lineup by 50 bucks. It's not like AMD's like the good guy. It's not like their reason for existing is to save you a buck. AMD is out to make money just like Intel. Surprise, surprise.

So we need both of them competitive. Now, with that said, I think Intel could stand to be humbled for a couple of years. That would be a good experience for them. I think they could stand to really lose some big market share and hopefully something that they would like define in their history as a reason to not do certain things in the future exactly like something they are not going to freaking forget but i i don't know i don't know if i can i don't know if i can count on that uh we should oh we should do sponsors oh my goodness okay the show is brought to you today by oh balls that is not the right sponsor and i'm in trouble i used entirely the wrong folder to copy over my sponsor thingamabubers. Uh-huh. So...

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I think that the video is a little bit on the longer side than the speed of my read today, but hey, see you later. Good try. All right. Oh, we're still hiring. LinusMediaGroup.com. We've got a couple of positions available right now.

I have an interview tomorrow, actually, speaking of hiring for positions. Do you want to hear who it's with? Yes. One Madison. Oh, no way. You know what? The reality of it is that

if you guys thought Madison was super annoying and you think you can do a better job than her, then go ahead and try and apply for this one. Because I think this is the third interview now. So she's doing pretty good. And if you want Madison to be

our social media coordinator, then don't apply. The position is for social media coordinators. So if you want her to get the job, maybe talk about it on social media? Yeah. Full-time logistics coordinator. We're hiring one of those.

Full-time bookkeeper or accountant. We know that that is an extremely broad posting, but the reality of it is we want someone good and whatever that looks like we uh we want it we're also looking for a junior account manager so this is like sales um we're looking for full-time video editor and camera operator how many people are we hiring right now full-time video editor and camera operator. How many people are we hiring right now? Full-time junior design and manufacturing engineer for Creator Warehouse. Retail product and inventory manager for Creator Warehouse.

Holy crap. We're going to have like 40 people working here before I actually blink again. That is nuts. I don't think you're counting floatplane, are you? Freaking nuts. Yeah. Yeah yeah but you guys aren't in office i'm talking like the people that will actually be under the roof on a daily basis that i'm gonna we're gonna need name tags luke we're gonna need name tags like how am i supposed to remember all these people you know me yeah yeah how are you gonna put them all oh it's tough and like where where do you like

if you need another place like if if if you keep hiring at this rate by the end of next year then where are you gonna put the ball year after that then where are you gonna put them all like i don't know luke difficult man i uh i've grown uncomfortable with how fast the company is growing to be perfectly honest with you it's really weird for me um like i never intended for this this was not what i wanted um yeah this was not this was not, this was not what I wanted. Uh, what else did we, oh, you know what? We got to pay for it somehow. We're selling water bottles on Amazon now.

There's only a limited number of them there because long story short, Amazon only lets you ship a limited number of, uh, units when you're not like an established seller already. units when you're not like an established seller already. So they have no idea how rabid the LMG fan base is. But if you want to order an LTT water bottle in the US or Canada, and you want to have prime shipping, this is the way to do it. We know that shipping is one of the things that is a source of friction for buyers on LTT store.com. And wait, is there a bird emoji on float plane? Every time your bird goes on camera, there's an explosion on float plane. Really?

Yeah. That's hilarious. And float. Oh, I'm scrolling up in the chat. I think that's like an outside thing that is technically supported by our chat. I think that's what people are just, okay, stop the spam. And floatplane chat is loving the idea of Madison as a social media coordinator. I mean, it's such a Zoomer job too.

Like one of the first assignments is going to be okay we need a presence on tiktok figure out tiktok please because i have no idea what's going on like figure out this this weird platform yes please please explain okay so we got the singing and the dancing and the and they're not too long but like they're longer than vines and we've got and popular people are over there and but like no one's making any money on it but they're they're they're there anyway but then also they're wait no they are making money on it and they're wait they sorry what is this why are we singing again like i just i can't i can't so i need madison to come in and explain it to me and we'll or someone yeah or someone or someone so that's the that's that's what we're working on

that's what we're working on uh what else is there to talk about today oh yes apple uh apparently knowingly relied on child labor for three years. This was posted by Business Insider, Washington Post, and the Information. Oh, actually, I'm not familiar with that site. So in 2013, they apparently learned that Suyin Electronics was hiring underage workers as young as 14. When they discovered this, it took them three years to fully remove Suyin from their supply chain. Suyin was responsible for creating IO ports for the MacBook Pro. 10 former members of Apple's supplier responsibility team said this wasn't an isolated incident and that Apple had

refused to cut ties with suppliers who had repeatedly violated labor laws when it would have cut into their profits or caused product delays or shortages. As far as my understanding goes, we've been talking about a few things that might be new things for Apple this show. I don't think this would be a new thing for Apple. For instance, Apple also refused to cut ties with Beale Crystal, a supplier of iPhone screens, despite a consistently poor workplace safety record. Beale Crystal, a supplier of iPhone screens, despite a consistently poor workplace safety record. Beale's executive explicitly admitted that improving its safety wasn't worth it

because doing so had actually led to less business from Apple. Apple was not willing to cut Beale from the supply chain because then they wouldn't have financial leverage against their remaining phone screen provider, Lens Technology. Oh, and according to the Washington Post, Lens Technology is relying on forced labor

in camps in china brilliant it appears that at least five companies in apple's supply chain are linked to forced labor in the xinjiang region this is allegedly so yeah that's pretty lame um it's one thing to not know about it it It's a separate thing to know about it. Both are bad, but there's degrees of bad. Finally, the last thing that I wanted to talk about today. Shroud apparently watches LTT videos on stream all the time. So the one that I became aware of was this video right here, uploaded by Game Recap.

So none of these are actually uploaded by Shroud. And it's Shroud Reacts to Ryzen 5000 Series Benchmarks by Linus Tech Tips and Hardware Unboxed. It has 180,000 views. Look at this one. This one I'm seeing for the first time. Shroud Reacts to RTX 3098K Gaming with half a million freaking views so this was a really new experience for me because i kind of got to watch an ltt video through the lens of um well like through the lens of someone else another creator yeah yeah like whenever i watch an ltt video i i know the spoilers

like i know what's coming i never make myself i shouldn't say never occasionally i make myself laugh with a with a joke or an on-screen or my on-screen antics or whatever but watching someone actually like sit and enjoy it for the first time and like laugh at our silly little eulogy for the Core i9 supremacy and gaming and like, you know, the offhand quips with Anthony and like, you know, for me, when I react to the graph that's on screen, obviously, I'm not seeing that graph for the first time you know like think about the video production process so i'm i'm always kind of like faking it like it's scripted i'm like what i can't believe amd just took the crown but that's like that's choreographed so that we have a visual that comes on screen when i when i say that and's like, I've got like notes in there for myself. Like typically, I will sit down with Anthony for anywhere from about 40 minutes to an hour and a half for something like a new CPU or new GPU launch. And we'll go through like, how do we want to tweak

this? How do we cover it well without wasting time? It was actually really nice feedback from Shroud. He's like, yeah, I'm going to watch this video because I really like their benchmarks. And I'm going to watch the Linus video because, um, you know, it's just short and sweet. It's kind of everything I need to know, but you know, always get a second opinion. It's like really good consumer advice, actually. So you can watch them for gaming, but you can also watch them for just like how to be a smart consumer in the modern age. And it was just, it was, it was really fun. And it was actually far more engaging for me to watch the video this way than to watch it on my own. I don't watch Twitch streams. And so this is a genre of Twitch stream that I just mostly completely ignored.

This is a genre of Twitch stream that I just mostly completely ignored. So anyway, let's continue to watch Shroud react to... Let's react to Shroud reacting to me. He actually doesn't do much. He's mostly just putting my video on screen and sitting there collecting Twitch ad money. But hey, whatever. You know what? I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it.

I messaged him. I was like, hey, thanks for showing our video okay with it i'm okay with it um i messaged him i was like hey thanks for uh thanks for showing our video on stream i'm glad you enjoyed it and he's like oh yeah sorry i i didn't check with you about showing it i assumed we'd be chill i'm like oh yeah we're chill we're chill you feel free like ever so many people on twitch do this yeah yeah i just it's just something that i hadn't thought about it's just extremely common honestly i like it because it's a way it's it's like it's okay so if you look at this and go hey linus couldn't help noticing that cost you half a million views on your rtx 3090 video that cost you half a million views worth of ad revenue. Okay, yeah. So I guess it like cuts into the profitability of our business in that sense.

But this is not like college, you know, college basketball, where it's like, oh, well, you know, you should just be happy for the exposure. This is truly a type of exposure that broadens the appeal not just of our channel but of like access to making smart consumer decisions based on real numbers and providing context for it like it's important that people see these these gamers that they look up for shopping properly and and learning about things before they just spend money and it has some of the same issues that like claiming that the uh the amount of copies of a game that were pirated is exactly the same as the amount of revenue that was lost from selling that game like that's not true at all oh for sure there's also likely going to be some some double views on there like i have personally watched a video before

and then seen that same video reacted to by a certain twitch person show up in my feed and be like i wonder what they think usually with that one i just skip through it to the parts where i wonder what their opinion on something is so i don't i don't end up if it's like a 16 minute video i might watch like a minute and 30 seconds or something. But like, it's, it's, that shouldn't count. I already watched the video on the main site. It's not like I'm taking a view away. I wouldn't have gone and watched it again. So yeah, I don't know. I personally think it's a good form of promotion. I'm just saying, I'm not, I wasn't necessarily saying that it should be automatically okay for all creators. It is probably a good idea to check in with people first or at the very least if that person lets you know like uh not a fan you should probably

immediately stop but yeah yeah i'm i'm down though i'm down he's super cool i've really enjoyed working with him uh that's yet another casualty of 2020 is um not being able to work with shroud again this year we had talked just kind of loosely about, we both expressed interest in working together again. And then, well, obviously I'm not crossing a border. Obviously he's not crossing a border. So just kind of a bummer. I think that's pretty much it.

It's time for us to do some super chats. Only got time for a couple today. Aaron says, howdy from Texas. God bless you and your families. Y'all were the best thing about my 2020. Hey, thanks, Aaron. Also, sorry to hear that. Your 2020 must have absolutely blown chunks.

No, I'm just kidding. We're pretty okay. We're pretty okay. But hey, thank you very, very much for the kind words. Tommy Gunn says, what'll happen to all the old wanek servers after you uh set up the liquid based one well i think old old wanek might get the drives from new from wanek 2 so wanek 1 might get the drives from wanek 2 and then we'll see what um we'll see if they like still don't work because we thought it might be something to do with like amd's pci express controller and maybe if we put the intel drives on an intel controller they'll

work better but then also those drives seem to be fundamentally flawed so we're not really sure what's going on um steven says any comment on apple's hypocrisy with respect to child labor no more than i would comment on apple's hypocrisy with respect to environmental impact like or just like everything else there's also like something something that has been very frustrating and i i strongly appreciate the silence brand meme uh that was going around for a while and i hope it kind of comes back is like you see you see these these gigantic brands and gigantic gigantic companies getting behind like different social movements and trying to be like yeah we're on your side and then simultaneously uh lobbying against people

trying to stop them from using uh slave labor or child labor or various other things because they don't actually care and it is highly profitable for them to try to convince you that they're on your side even though it's complete crap and even if the like you know low-paid peon that runs the twitter account genuinely does care about these causes yeah that doesn't mean that the you know the billionaire running it also cares yeah so yeah the thing to remember is that brands are not singular entities they are they are collections of people sort of yeah sort of motivated by well there are people within them that can be on your side that's a tough thing is not on your side. That's true. It's almost never the case.

If they are genuinely on your side, which they might be, it is very likely that way so that they can align with you in order for that to be part of their marketing, which could be very legitimate. And that could be a good brand to support because if they are actively acting on your side, even if it is a form of marketing, maybe that's something that you want to support and that could help improve things overall. And that's good, but you do have to understand that ultimately they are going to do it because it is also better for them. Yes. Speaking of brands that are on your side, okay. Could be mutually beneficial. Jordan says, hey, I love the Northern lights desk pad from lttstore.com and all the different sizes i was wondering if there's any chance you can do a more subtle one like plain black with like a white logo in the corner or something like that i believe we are

working on a stealth pad the problem is that we have booked as much production as we possibly can at the factory uh for the next like two months and uh it's all going to be constellations it's all going to be northern lights because we can't even make enough of those so yeah um what else we got here uh people are asking for a dell update uh yes i have heard back from the insider they're're just waiting on some validation that I've asked for of their position at Dell and some of their claims. I do intend to bring the Dell insider onto the program. Yes. Cool. Michael says, Linus, do a workstation video and be nice to Dennis. I will be doing another workstation building stream soon because

those video editing positions we're hiring, they're going to need stations. And I'm at the point now where I'm just not willing to issue workstations to people in the editing department that I didn't build personally because we've had a lot of problems with other ones in the past. So I will build them all personally with my own two hands and then someone will check them over for me after to make sure I did it okay. Hashtag lie- would be coming thanks true neighborhood watch uh okay we'll do like a couple couple more uh grido says loving my ltd water bottle but still waiting on the underwear to be in stock again hopefully 2021 absolutely so speaking of uh deplorable uh factory conditions i i don't know about deplorable,

but they were not acceptable to us. That's why we haven't had underwear in stock for quite some time. But guess what? The shipment is about to land. We are going to have underwear in a new style. We're also doing a reprint of the old style ones in case people missed out on them

because they were unexpectedly discontinued when we found out what was going on. Yeah, i'm excited we're gonna we're gonna do another underwear shoot so man is the um is the uh is the new style just like the print or is it like new fabrics and stuff oh i'm wearing one of them right now hold on so this is uh this is an early unit just a sec hold on just let me let me get all adjusted here okay hold on just got it uh there we go this is loud on twitch i have no idea hold on a second i gotta oh i can't i can't get up you know hold on i gotta just gotta uh i mean i'm not showing any skin

so there you go it's like a purple kind of like matrix-y kind of design. And the waistband doesn't have Linus Tech Tips on it anymore. It's just like a super subtle. Oh, I can't show it to you. There you go. It's like a super subtle rubberized LTT. Okay. There we go.

Sorry about that. Can I just take a moment to cry about the cruelty of one Mr. Nick Light? Oh, my. Can you imagine what kind of monster it would take to launch an underwear product immediately after the holidays requiring me to do a shoot in my underwear right after christmas okay because that's not that's not fair that's not funny that's just mean okay so yeah a little bit a little bit go f**k yourself nick um okay so but are the other materials and stuff the same like is it so just new print or you will not be able to tell the difference okay yeah we almost screwed up the sizing even though the material was really good

but it is i think we made them ever so slightly either longer or shorter based on some really good feedback that we got but in terms of the quality and the type of the material it is basically identical awesome cool that's exciting it took us a long time because that was what was good about the factory we were using the quality of the product was really good too bad it was just unacceptable to use them. So we had to find someone that could produce just as good a product, but not under crappy conditions. All right. I think that's pretty much it for the WAN show today.

Thank you guys very much for tuning in. We will see you again next week. Same bad time. Same bad time, excuse me. Same bad channel. We were super late today. It's week same bad time same bad time excuse me same bad channel we were super late today it's a very bad time bye oh nick nick uh hold on nick just message he says and i quote you yeah right back at you bud right back at you and you know what you know what because i'm the one who's live i get the last word.

F*** you twice. That's right. All right. Show's over, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, for those who don't know, Nick is Nick is Nick manages Creator Warehouse, our merch business. Sorry if you needed some context for that. All right.

Roll that outro. Can I just say how much I love my bleep button? Because it's so much fun. It makes me so happy every time I use it.