The WAN Show - Google Is A Monopoly - WAN Show August 9, 2024

Episode Date: August 10, 2024

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What's up everybody and welcome to the WAD Show! Hope y'all had a wonderful week so far. It's about to get even better. That's right, my friends, we've got lots of good news this week. Google is officially a monopoly! Wow, really? No way! What? Oh, this is amazing. I can't believe this is happening.

YouTube is testing Twitter-esque notes which will allow community members to uh issue corrections on videos fascinating what else we got this week mr luke lafreniere so much for our 60 milliseconds of latency tell you if i actively had the dock open that's fantastic so it wasn't a connection latency issue it was a brain latency issue you still don't have the dock open do you wow good lord i don't think we're actually at that right now but anyways uh what's in the dock what's interesting did you mention coffeezilla no all right logan paul su CoffeeZilla for defamation. That's totally going to work, of course.

Also, Rip Game Informer. 33 years long, they've been running, and now they're gone. I'm lagging like crazy. I'm going to try to fix it. Pop a caffeine pill oh there we go that helped the show is brought to you today by msi squarespace and backblaze of course alongside our chair partner secret lab let's jump right into our headline topic. Google is a monopoly?

On Monday, a judge ruled, after having carefully considered and weighed the witness testimony and evidence, the court reaches the following conclusion. Google is a monopolist, and it has acted as one to maintain its monopoly. It has violated Section 2 of the Sherman Act. The 277-page ruling details all the ways that Google has controlled and maintained their control of general search services and search text ads. The court was convinced that Google's default distribution deals with browsers and platforms is its biggest

advantage that prevents competitors from having a fighting chance at creating a viable alternative regarding google's approximately 20 billion dollar annual payments to apple judge meta meta well sorry if i pronounced your name wrong it's it's wonderful and you're doing a great job determined the prospect of losing tens of billions in guaranteed revenue from Google, which presently come at little to no cost to Apple, disincentivizes Apple from launching its own search engine when it otherwise has built the capacity to do so. In 2020, Google conducted a quality degradation study,

which showed that it would not lose search revenue if they were significantly to reduce the quality of their search product imagine that i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm taking and i'm taking a break from the notes i'm taking a break from the notes luke i know isn't that great imagine if you will conducting an internal study at Floatplane Media, okay? Where you guys kind of went, hmm, if we were to make our product 10% or 20% or 50% crappier, would we lose any revenue? And then reaching the end of that study and going oh well the rational conclusion is we should make the experience crappier because we're not going to lose any revenue i know that the whole motto don't

be evil and it changing or you know whatever thing is not as black and white as their motto is don't be evil and then they changed it it's it's not that simple but maybe it should be maybe google should go maybe google should just you know humor the internet lorists who believe that that was their original motto and they should bring back the motto and they should just have don't be evil as their guiding star because wait was there was that not their original motto i think it was but then when they changed it it wasn't that they just like got rid of it it was like still part of it in a way or something it just isn't quite as black and white okay dude i have 100 noticed% noticed Google search getting actively worse. Oh yeah.

Pretty much everyone that I know has. Especially over the last few years. So while it doesn't surprise me that the search product has been degraded over the last four years, what does surprise me is they literally did a study and were like, can we do this? Green light, check mark, rubber stamp.

It's totally going to be okay because it can't affect our revenue. What kind of short-sighted thinking is this? I just can't, Luke. I can't. Yeah. It's difficult because, like, I don't think you can write regulation to like, not allow that to happen, but I wish we could, but I don't think it's like even possible because they do.

It's called the Sherman act. Okay. What's the Sherman act? Well, no, that's, that's, um, that's basically like, um, it's, it's, it addresses like monopolistic behavior essentially. Okay. But I don't even mean within a monopoly like. But that's why I do this at all.

That's why it worked really well here. Yeah, that's why it worked, because they could just buy their way to their dominant position. They don't actually have to make a better product because they can just make sure that absolutely nobody with any capacity to compete with them will ever exist. Yeah. All right, our notes go on. Generative AI has not, or at least not yet, eliminated or materially reduced the need for user data to deliver quality search results. So that was one of the other findings. results so that's that was one of the other uh findings interestingly google was not sanctioned for destroying internal communications but that was because the judge was already convinced by

all the evidence that's hilarious imagine that imagine destroying evidence and getting away with it because you didn't destroy nearly enough i still think they should get in trouble for that regardless. Even if it didn't end up, like, if it didn't matter, it's still a bad move. They should get in trouble for it. It's like, yeah, you should have, you know, man. Okay, you know what? No, I was going to get grisly. The ruling is for the liability phase the next step is appeals for google

and the remedy phase where judge meta can possibly force a breakup of google the closest parallel to this case is microsoft's antitrust trial in 1999 they did successfully appeal but they reached a settlement preventing them from acting anti-competitively in the browser market now here's my question how about a settlement that prevents google from acting anti-competitively in any market they participate in what do you think and while we're at it why don't we why don't we open the books back up on microsoft and their recent behavior in windows with ai stuff oh yeah with windows yeah dude how many times how many times am i going to be prompted about uh a game pass subscription by my stupid operating system why do i why do i have to deal with this

you know you know that whole that whole thing where it's like snooze for three days remind me later and it makes you go through the setup wizard again and it prompts you to use edge again have you gone through that no i've never had that have you seen how have you seen how teams will ignore your default browser setting on your computer dude that was recent that was recent microsoft is a hundred percent back at it like that one is so brazen so obvious so clear-cut they are using their position in the workplace communications market with teams which by the way they they bundle with office in a way that actually you could argue their behavior with teams is anti-competitive and monopolistic so they leverage their position in teams to effectively force anyone who isn't going to dig around in the menus to use flipping edge

anytime they click a link in teams why would anybody want an application to ignore their default browser and they clearly knew better because it used your default browser before. This change happened, what, like six months ago or something like that? I don't remember exactly when they changed it. And you can fix it, but most users aren't going to know how. Dude, it was broken on mine for a bit.

I literally couldn't. I brought someone into my office. I showed them. They were like, wow, you literally don't have the button that I have. It was unbelievable. It could have just been a bug. My computer was being kind of funky at that time.

So you never know. You can see weird stuff when a computer is unstable. But like... They also... They're simultaneously running old teams and new teams right now. So it might have actually been a problem on one of the versions of teams. Yep. So I don't

know yeah i think i was using new teams at that time but i'm yeah i'm not 100 sure oh dude the fact that the fact that this took so long the fact that so much of this goes just completely under the radar the fact that we haven't seen a major antitrust case like this since 1999 i've got to say like i i don't i don't know everything about what the biden administration has done um i don't know exactly what their role was with making adjustments to the ftc but i am super liking what the ftc has been doing lately i am super liking what the FTC has been doing lately. I am super liking what the US government in general has been doing to address this kind of antitrust and monopolistic behavior.

It's not nearly enough. They could probably 10x their funding for this. And it still wouldn't be enough. But man, at least it's something. Like, come on. How about about into it next let's go let's go oh man the tax companies yeah that needs to be crushed it's not like the north america is like a laughing stock in regards to how taxes work dude a hundred percent americans canada is not the same like american taxes are are, as far as my understanding goes.

But we have a lot of the same problems, where the government knows exactly how much you owe them. This has been a solved issue for a really long time. But the lobbies of the tax companies are just forcing them to make it so that you have to use these garbage tax companies in order to call your taxes properly, which is really frustrating. Yeah, and how about the TransUnion

and whatever the other one is, Duopoly? How about we get rid of that while we're at it? Like, come on, come on, come on, come on. Let's start knocking down some monopolies because it is tiresome. It's tiresome. i i like the whole idea of like you could be a monopoly and not get crushed by monopoly law as long as you're not doing certain actions like if google search was effectively a monopoly because it was just so

much better than everything else that's one thing if google search is effectively a monopoly because they spend billions and billions of dollars annually which no other company can do to make sure that they're buying their way into being the default search engine on everything yeah that is that something should happen because that's bad practice monopoly yeah yeah 100 and it's just it's one of those things where it's it's tough because philosophically, the idea of a free market is appealing to me. I was born in a capitalist country. I generally believe in things competing on their merits. But that's the whole thing.

This regulation doesn't exist to destroy a free market economy it exists to maintain the integrity of a free market economy and i think that's what a lot of folks are missing sometimes when they see government regulation come down on the behavior of companies like this is no they're not this this is not this isn't a government overreach this is the government doing its job to give everybody a crack instead of just google and their executives and their shareholders? Yeah, someone's pointing out in chat, like didn't Google pay for 81% of Mozilla Foundation to keep Google as the default search? I've heard an even higher percentage than that.

And this might actually end up hurting Firefox a lot. But I also think without certain monopolistic practices firefox wouldn't be in the rough spot that it is right now um so it's like google like monopolistic practices are propping up firefox who never would have needed to be propped up yeah if it wasn't for monopolistic practices like ah so we can look at it now we can go but look at the collateral damage there will be if they don't do these deals anymore it's like yeah we you're right we never should have this shouldn't happen that sucks but we never should have gotten here yeah and we can't just we can't just allow it forever because we allowed it for a

while and it's created problems i mean it's like the way that they've allowed the, it's like the way they've allowed housing prices, the bubble to balloon the way that it has here in Canada, particularly in markets like Vancouver and Toronto. And everyone's looking at it going, well, you can't let the market crash because think of all the people who are over leveraged. It's like, oh my God, at some point it's going to pop. It can either be really, really really really painful or it can be

even more painful those are the only options now yeah yep yeah it's brutal um and i i'm to be very clear i'm very worried about what's going to happen with mozilla foundation yeah me too i think this is going to be really rough i hope as much as i don't really like bing that much i kind of hope microsoft swoops in and um put some bing contract in place and pays a bunch of money to make bing the default or something i don't know but if they do that are they engaging in the same practice? Well, my biggest problem with like there, some form of search is going to have to be the default somewhere.

In my opinion, I don't have a huge problem with that being a thing that happens. My problem is that Google was all of them. They were all of those contracts. They had that contract with Apple forever. They had the contract with Firefox forever. They had the contract with everyone forever. was across the board it wasn't like a few companies were fighting in different arenas it was google fights everywhere and that's it i don't i don't i don't think these kinds of deals will be possible i mean there is no there is no

way that you can make an argument that mic, other than Microsoft's extremely low market share. So that's where they could make an anti-monopoly argument. Is, hey, we're a scrappy underdog in this space. They are genuinely though. Yeah, but they're also literally one of the top valued companies on the face of the earth. And so, but in that space, they are, they are a massive underdog. Sure. But imagine this, right? Imagine if, let's say, let's say LV, LV, MH or whatever, the Louis Vuitton, Hermes, whatever, that luxury brand, Bernard Arnault or whatever his name is.

I'm trying to pick an extremely valuable company that is not in tech. That's the point. So this is an enormous company. Okay, so if they were all of a sudden to go into a space that is much smaller than they are, so let's say a technology YouTubing. Okay? they are um so let's say um a technology youtubing okay if their market share in views for that was effectively zero you know it was one percent they because they started a channel if they were to go around and pay google a bunch of money to be the first result anytime anyone searches for any video

around tech that is absolutely uh an anti-competitive behavior even if they don't have a dominant position you can buy advertising but it has to be on a level playing field and the fact that these are back room deals as opposed to like okay if mozilla for example just had a completely open affiliate program for example that everyone pays into equally and everyone has an equal shot at then i think that's a completely different story so if every time you installed firefox and it asked you to select your browser and it was a completely randomized order or not your browser sorry uh search your default search and all of the potential default searches would

have a chance of showing up at random and then whoever people click random order yeah not shown up at random yeah whoever someone clicks um every they you know they have to sort of pay them a commission for being the default browser on that install or something as long as everybody can participate equally then that's fine but if it's pure pay to win and it's happening in a way that is not open and is not accessible and nobody else even gets a shot at it, then no, I don't think you can really get away with that. What do you do about, so I don't hate the idea, but what do you do about groups like DuckDuckGo, which aren't going to have any money

to pay into this affiliate program thing? Look, I'm not saying it's a solution. If you have to include them anyways, then no one's paying. Yeah, I'm not. them anyways then no one's paying yeah and then if no one's paying then there's there's no like the the community funding for mozilla is like practically nothing people don't contribute to free software it's it's basically a joke like it happens but it's enough to like buy developers coffee it's not it's not enough to actually properly support people um i don't i don't know i don't i don't know the answers to this i'm just saying that you know microsoft buying bing default

is not the answer because the way that it is supposed to work is products are supposed to compete on their merit and buying your position is not competing on your merit buying advertising space that is clearly delineated as such totally fair game but i get all that and i don't disagree i think what i keep getting stuck on is like how do we allow groups like mozilla to monetize things um because if it if it's if it's the setup you're saying yeah no one pays i know well no no i i'm not pitching that setup i want to make that very clear i was just trying to pitch something that could be more fair um and like look i i don't i i don't have good answers i have unpopular answers people might have to buy firefox and realistically if that were if that were the case we might be in a position where you know what um microsoft might not be

allowed to give edge away for free google might not be allowed to give edge away for free i mean that is the point of breaking up companies if google gets broken up and google chrome becomes a company the whole idea behind that is that Google Chrome, Inc., is going to have to compete against other browsers on its own merit. It doesn't get to just have a special data sharing deal with Big Daddy Alphabet, and it doesn't get to receive, but it would have to offer the same deal to everyone. Would it? Yeah, that's the whole idea idea you don't have to offer equal

deals to other companies as a company if they didn't though given the scrutiny that google and alphabet are under here i think they would find themselves in court again immediately essentially like them basically claiming that they're acting as a uh as a combined group of companies exactly you guys have no idea what the laws around that are but i'm sure that's a thing you would have to demonstrate that in good faith you attempted to negotiate with other parties right that's the whole idea of a breakup is that instead of firefox going up against browsers that are funded by all of the data that they are stealing from their users and feeding back into their parent companies and that are then paying into them in order to continue to collect they would be going up against

browsers that well are still going to be stealing a bunch of data but are selling it to everybody and that's the bottom line firefox is that you'd probably just have to you die you either you either buy the product or you are the product and so you probably have to buy firefox because at the end of the day you know we look at something like firefox as an alternative to being the product but we're not really it's all the same it's all the same groups it's just a different label on it it's the same groups funding it right yeah um and so it's all it's all feeding into that it's all feeding into that machine until we break the cycle so i i don't know i'm looking at this as a win but i'm also looking at it as a tiny first step in what is going to be an extremely painful breakup. Because people think that they support the small, independent, the real

free market. They think that they support um groups that are doing things the right way respecting their privacy and their data but when all of a sudden they are faced with the cost of buying what they were getting for just data i think they're gonna i think there's gonna be sticker shock luke yeah like people often talk about how expensive floatplane is oh i don't want to pay five dollars for one creator guys the margins aren't that crazy for us on floatplane and yeah we operate at a much smaller scale compared to someone like uh like a google for example does And so our costs are higher. And the value does get better as you scale. Yes.

A lot better. There are absolutely economies of scale. But a platform like the one you're watching on right now, whether you're on Twitch, which is being just money furnished by Amazon, or whether you're on YouTube, which we think may be profitable by now, but absolutely was money furnished by Google for many years.

They're so expensive to run. Video is shockingly expensive. collectively. Holy crap. That reality, that dystopian reality where everything about us, you know, from the food we eat to our weird kinks to the family members that we're related to, everything about us is being collected and used against us. I think there's going to be people that are going to look back at that and go, yeah, the grass was greener compared to pulling out my wallet and paying $3 a month for a web browser. Oh yeah, man,

you know, it's going to be a subscription baby. Oh yeah. It has to be. When you said buy Firefox, I was like, all right, like lifetime.

That's not how it works. You have to, the buy once model is dead luke yeah because companies that have to be maintained it makes sense that it is dead but it's just when and when the internet and when computing was growing at an exponential rate you could sell it once and then when your user base is twice the size 18 months from now you could you you could sell everything you'd ever sold you could sell it again in the next 18 months and it would keep growing and it was all going to rocket ship to the moon but it all busted it all has to bust

eventually there's a finite number of people and a finite number of dollars a finite amount of value that you can extract and if the market size isn't growing well then you have to grow the amount of money that you're extracting from the market it's all going to be subscriptions everyone already has a phone you can't just be a cool product yeah from stripe there's not going to be another india moment hold on that's the last point i want to make there's not going to be another india moment in the world ever like it comes online when india went online my goodness did it happen practically overnight i forget what the carrier was but they basically a value carrier launched in india for the first time and it happened right at the at this intersection moment when smartphone prices reached

attainable for the first time and and a country of over a billion people just came onto the internet and there was explosive growth in all these areas where's the next market that's going to do that? Birth rates are falling across the vast majority of the developed world. Pretty much every country is connected, at least to a very significant degree. I mean, we're still going to see growth from Africa, for example, but it's not going to be like that. Sorry. Okay, go ahead.

No, I've been having a decent amount of conversations with people at this event already about payments processing and Stripe and PayPal. And a pretty interesting product that Stripe could make. I don't think they would actually want to because they'd lose out on one of their probably biggest revenue streams. But it would be cool, in my opinion, as we're getting to more and more subscriptions. One of the most annoying things to me is not necessarily the cost per month, but it's the just genuine volume of subscriptions and payments that are coming through. So one of the conversations that we've had is the benefit of bundling payments. so if if you have like if you have a certain platform that has multiple subscriptions on it paying for all of those subscriptions on that one platform at the same time so if you're a patreon or a floatplane or something like that if all the payments go through at once

how these payment processors do their fees is it's generally a percentage plus a fixed cost for every transaction yep so most like north american or most american really transactions are 2.9 plus 30 cents um unless you have some negotiated rate but most people i've seen fixed rates as low as like 15 cents i think like it depends yeah there's like there's uh there's different models that you can use there's like particular micro transaction models that you can use through stripe where the got it um or the number is a little bit different it shifts that's a standard transaction is 2.9 plus 30 cents got it but there is no better than me so yeah go ahead um but if you so that 30 cents is where a lot of people can save a ton of money because i mean if you're doing

10 million transactions in a month 30 cents three million bucks let's go every month yeah so you're looking at 36 million dollars a year so if you can if you can bundle um like if one user has three subscriptions if you can bundle into that into one payment you're saving 60 60 cents a month on that user yeah so it'd be kind of neat if stripe as a platform if you if you instead of having like you would need accounts on both but if you had like almost like payment by stripe in the way that you have uh like apple pay and google pay and then stripe bundled all your payments into one big payment dude they have zero interest in doing that. No incentive in doing that, but it would be so good for me.

Like if I could just go to Stripe and on Stripe, see all of my subscriptions. Yeah. So it's all nicely laid out in one spot. I could cancel, uh, subscriptions right through there. And then it just came out in one big payment every month.

That would be sick. That would be super cool. I think the only entity that could probably do that would be like a major american bank um because realistically part of that that the handling fee that the the transaction fee that they're dealing with is not just collecting the money from you but also routing it to where it needs to go so by combining them yes they're only doing the one payment from you but they still need to split everything out to all of the different end destinations so it would have to be a cooperative effort between

like like like the a group probably even of the big banks where they all go okay we're not going to charge each other anything to to to do these uh interbank transfers uh and we're going to absorb the ones that go outside the network in order to do this like uh this sort of subscription bundling um and save oh shoot wait save uh we're the ones who collect this revenue crap no we're just not going to do this like the only kind of market where i could see something like that happening because you're absolutely right that is how it should probably work the only market where i could see something like that happening would be somewhere like china for example uh where it's it's dictated yeah by the central government and these these entities are only sort of people on the head and be like hey stop wasting money essentially yeah um yeah and some some people pointed out in chat that this

is a thing i know this is a thing on the platform level floatplane does it what i'm saying is is i wish this was a thing yeah on the on the payment processor level yeah so if you like followed uh let's say let's say you didn't know that dank pods was on floatplane if you followed dank pods on patreon and you followed ltt on floatplane and both patreon and floatplane used stripe as a payment processor then essentially uh we could we could say we could opt into this program and then Stripe on the back end would take one payment from you for that month

and it would divvy it out to the two different platforms for your two separate subscriptions. That's what Luke is pitching. Yeah. I think that would be really cool, personally. And like some people have asked how that would work because if people subscribe at different times, there's this whole math you can do to figure out pro rata to adjust for that and yada, yada, yada.

It's definitely possible. Like I said, we do it already. I would just like it to be done on the payment processor end. I think there definitely isn't a per transaction financial incentive for Stripe to do this, but I do think it could be a good market, um, like getting more customers thing. Cause that would make me prefer to use whatever platform did this over anything else personally.

Oh, Wade actually shut down his Patreon like seven months ago. So, all right. He's all float playing all the time. Heck yeah. Let's go. Let's go Wade. Oh, you heck yeah let's let's go wade uh you didn't know that no no i totally didn't know that i didn't know he shut it down i knew that i knew he was going to um okay but i didn't know he pulled the trigger yep that makes sense what a chad yep we were we were discussing creators who haven't had controversy um prior to the show on on the pre-show uh as as far as i know i don't think wade's ever had any controversy every time i've

hung out with him he just seems like just seems like an upright dude super chill dude you know for someone who's upside down you know he sure does manage to have his head screwed on straight wow australian australian he's not upside down calm down all right so anyway um one of the things i asked the uh the prep team to put together was some examples of other monopolies that haven't gotten their comeuppance yet um and they put together uh google themselves in September. So this was, uh, over digital ads. Okay. Um, meta.

Oh, wait, they're getting sued by the FTC. Amazon. Oh, wait, they're getting sued by the FTC. Apple. Oh, wait, they're getting sued by the DOJ. Um, and Microsoft and Amazon backdooring AI startups. There's a bunch of stuff. Actually, Nvidia is getting investigated finally

for some of the just, like, everyone has known forever that doing a deal with NVIDIA is like dealing with a very difficult entity that understands fully the dominance they have. Have they ever crossed the line hey we're finally looking into that very interesting i am so happy to see it i want to see so much more whatever incoming administration we see in the u.s come the november elections you personally i'm talking to our american viewers out there you personally need to be

putting pressure on your representatives to keep this train going this matters a lot it is costing you money all the time both directly and through tax dollars this is costing you money and these investigations as long as they can get cash settlements should be a gravy train that will pay for itself for a very long time there's like baby there's lots to investigate let's go all right what else we got today luke what do you want to talk about just go right into the next one the the youtube thing yeah all right let's do it youtube is testing twitter-esque notes. YouTube has announced that they are testing an experimental feature that will allow users to add notes to

videos akin to the community notes feature on Twitter. The goal of the feature is to provide context and other relevant information that may not be included in the video. In their example, they've used a video about extinct animals with a note that says that one of the species was recently discovered to still be alive. The notes will appear under the video title where we can see other labels for helpful things like COVID-19 information and will be rated by the community as helpful or somewhat helpful or unhelpful. the ability to write notes is by invitation only and during the pilot notes will be reviewed by third-party evaluators rather than the note creators oh what just happened rather than the note creators or the community at large there's a discussion question here that says how well do community notes work on twitter do you find that they are accurate and unbiased i have not found that they are completely accurate and unbiased yeah however they are a lot better than not having them um i think overall they're helpful

but they are they have problems one thing that i would like youtube to consider in all of this and i haven't spoken with them directly, so this will be the first anyone from YouTube is hearing about it from me. But one thing that I would like to see addressed is right now, the creator themself doesn't have a ton of ways to address anything about the video that they want to clarify after the fact.

We used to have the ability to put text annotations at a given time stamp in a given spot on the video so that we could issue a small correction uh say for a data point on a graph or uh say for something that changed after the fact like if we said oh yeah the power consumption this isn't very good but there's a bios update that went up three days after we published our video we could put an annotation in there and say, hey, this is something that they've addressed. It was a great way for us to deal with the constantly changing landscape that is the technology space that we cover.

And at times, it was even a great way to deal with sponsors, for example, because if there was a temporary deal, we could have an annotation that said how much the discount was, and then that could go away when they didn't have it anymore and stuff like that. It was a way to keep the content of the video up to date.

Not well, but it was something. They took that away under the guise of trying to make the mobile experience better and more streamlined or something like that. It was horse plop then. It's horse plop now it was never anything to do with that and it was everything to do with that they didn't want to do it anymore and they had good reasons for not wanting to do it some creators did abuse the feature um plain and simple whether it was through spam or trying to get people to accidentally that you could interact with them so trying to get people to accidentally touch them and skip to certain parts of the video like there were there

were it was definitely an abuse vector but i do think they could have solved it and i think just getting rid of it outright was not the solution right now we do have the ability to pin a comment we do have the ability to heart comments or heart our replies, but hearts are super inconsistent. Like I'll see someone asking a question that like one in every three people in the video is asking a question about that. And what I would like to be able to do is heart that comment, reply, heart my own reply,

and have that be the first thing people see so they don't need to keep scrolling and ask the same bloody question. But it absolutely doesn't work that way. Not for not for anyone as far as i can tell everyone's algorithm for what comments get served to them is a little bit different and you can have a comment that has you know 6 000 upvotes or something like that and is hearted by the creator and has a reply from the creator and it'll decay which a decay algorithm is perfectly reasonable but it'll decay to the point where you can't even find it at all after a little while and you'll just

you'll just be kind of perpetuating the same comments over and over and over again because people can't see that this has already been discussed it's already been addressed um so anyway where i was going with this is if we're going to have a community notes feature giving the creator the ability to address the community note i feel is extremely important i don't see any obvious way to do that right now but um i i would like there to i would like to have the possibility for there for it to be a conversation i think it's important to for people to understand that community notes are not uh the solution to misinformation and are a form of misinformation themselves but they can help reduce misinformation overall yeah i know people that

have put out tweets had a community note attempt to correct their tweet, had the community note stay for close to 24 hours, and then the community note eventually is removed because the community note was wrong. But in that 24-hour period, the community note, because some amount of people have grown to trust community notes, that community note was a fairly strong source of misinformation because people read it and then... Nobody's going to go back and look at it a couple days later and find out that they were... Yeah. So it's important to keep in mind that it doesn't automatically mean that the note is true.

And you have to realistically question everything if you want to be actually certain um will this cause the same problem the like the the dislike button supposedly did i think it'll create a way significantly bigger problem than the dislike button did um but uh i don't really i'm still not convinced that's the actual reason why YouTube took the dislike button down. So I doubt they actually care. No, the dislike button thing was, as far as I can tell, a purely ideological move. It had nothing to do with an objective reason to remove the dislike button. I have never, never in my many conversations about it seen any real evidence.

in my many conversations about it, seen any real evidence. I've seen, or I've heard compelling arguments that removing the dislike button didn't materially hurt watch time or it didn't do this or it didn't do that. I have never seen evidence that it improved the experience of using the platform in any way.

There's like no way it did. Yeah. All right. Well alright well hey good luck community notes I I don't know man there was a time when I when YouTube kind of I would say

had kind of earned my sort of mostly trust, at least as far as I can trust a big tech conglomerate to, to do the right thing. I'd say they still, I think they still get it right more often than they get it wrong, but they've really eroded a lot of that trust, especially over the last few years.

Yep. I mean, google in general man google's like google's rough yeah if you use something that's made by google and you like it uh you like have to have a backup plan at this point because they might just remove it at any time for probably not a very good reason um a lot of their tools have not really been advancing very significantly um they they are retaining their market share through spending dollars instead of making better products like it's i don't know yeah Yeah, it's rough. What are we supposed to be doing, Dan? Oh, merch messages. Hey, if you're new to the show,

you may not be familiar with the concept of merch messages. We don't do Twitch bits. We don't do super chats. We do merch messages so that any contribution to the show goes to us, goes to our creator warehouse team, goes to our suppliers, goes to our warehousing partner, MIBC, goes to our team to build great products like the LTT screwdriver, the scribe driver, our water bottles, all that good stuff that you guys know and love.

And the best part is that unlike just throwing money at the screen, like some of those other methods, you can throw money at your screen and also get great products in the mail. We're going to show you guys how it works in just a moment, but I'm pretty sure there was something else I was going to say. Oh, right, how to send a merch message. All you've got to do is go to lttstore.com, add something to your cart,

and when we're live, you're going to see a box to send a merch message, and it'll go to Producer Dan, who will pop it up in the bottom of the screen who will reply to it himself who will forward it to someone who can answer your question or who will curate it for me and luke to address all right dan why don't you show us how merch messages work sure i've got a question here from jason linus why do you want amd to create lower-end chips manufactured e e-waste, instead of promoting using older hardware?

Ah, that's a good question. I do not want people to stop using older hardware. But what you've got to understand is that not everybody is comfortable buying a second-hand processor. So while I have advocated many times, like to the point where it's almost probably exhausting how many times I have advocated for buying used hardware rather than brand new hardware,

especially if you're on a tight budget, I know and accept and fully understand that some people are just never going to do that and so the reason that i'm going after amd for the fact that they haven't launched a ryzen 3 processor in like three years four years years they haven't launched a budget gaming processor in many years, is that the way I feel like they have essentially gone complacent leader and figured, well, if we can only produce so much silicon, why do we have to give any of the most newfangled power efficient

performant chips to the people who only have 120 bucks to spend when we can just take all of that allocation and put it into epic and ryzen 9 and Strixpoint laptops. And that wasn't AMD's attitude before. And I just, I don't know, I get frustrated when I see people treat AMD like they're some kind of golden child, scrappy underdog who is pro-consumer or whatever, because look at what AMD did with Ryzen, where you could buy a Threadripper for,

man, I forget what the starting price for the Threadripper 1900X was. Threadripper, here, hold on, I want to check this. Threadripper 1900X MSRP launch, okay? What was it? $549. For $549, when AMD was actually scrappy, when they were coming from behind, for less than the price of a current Threadripper Pro motherboard. Okay? Seriously. Flagship Threadripper Pro motherboards are like $1,000 plus.

You could have gotten a Threadripper chip and a board. That wasn't that long ago. That was in 2017. So what frustrates me is that AMD used to still, they used to give you the option to buy a last-gen processor with probably more cores, okay? But you're also going to save some money on the platform.

Or you could buy a current-gen processor at a lower price, get more up-to-date cores, so you'd be getting the latest architecture. It probably wouldn't perform as well in Cinebench or even real-world applications that more people use, like video editing or video encoding, but it would have a greater upgrade path. So AMD does do some things right.

The fact that they're continuing to provide processors for AM4 is really good. They just launched new chips. That's absolutely incredible how long they've supported that platform for. But what isn't incredible is that they are effectively putting a price barrier in the way of am5 which is the new am4 that's the one that people who might not have a ton of money today but might want to be able to upgrade down the line that's the one they should be buying so that they can be able to upgrade in the future right to take advantage of some of the very consumer first things that amd does um so no i i am not i'm not going to stop calling out amd for not introducing entry-level processors am5 is not new like for crying out loud when did ryzen 7000 launch? Hold on, let me check. Let me check this.

September of 2022. AM5 launched two years ago, and you still can't buy a chip for it under about 200 US dollars. No, I don't think that's okay. Let me check. Let me check what the 7600 is. It might be under 200. Hold hold on is your phone making noise no that is not mine also uh 180 bucks to like if you're gonna talk about this

with amd you should talk about intel too i think there's no illusion that intel is at a extremely significant amount of hot water right now we're just trying to make it clear that that doesn't mean that the other side is uh and this specific thing no this specific thing intel isn't doing intel absolutely nerfed the crap out of their entry-level chips for many years but man you can pick up like a 14 100 um let's see there's actually there's some really good uh intel 14 series chips that are like an outstanding value if you're a budget gamer now i would not necessarily recommend those i would actually rather that you go pick up like a used ryzen 3000 or something like that. But if you must have something brand new with a warranty and all of those things that kind of make you feel better or whatever else,

that's not my thing. But if that's your thing, then Intel absolutely has value options. They do. But we've got to recognize that that's not because Intel is benevolent. That is because Intel is in a position where they are looking for gaps in the market where they can sell chips and amd didn't create threadripper 1900x because they were benevolent they did it because intel left the high-end desktop market completely unaddressed they got complacent so what i'm advocating for is for everyone to address their customers' needs proactively rather than wait around for us to go, yo, hey, where the heck is a value Zen 4 processor? What is going on here?

Why is Zen 5 launching purely with high-end and absolutely no indication, no telegraphing whatsoever of when you're going to address the entry level? When am I going to be able to buy one of these stupid efficient chips? Maybe I only need a couple cores. Maybe I'm building a NAS. When am I going to be able to buy Zen 5 for that?

No, it's not okay. And that's all I have to say about that. I got another one for you here. Hey Linus, you've been daily driving Qualcomm Snapdragon. After getting your hands on Zen 5 Strix, are you eager to switch back to AMD? Anything you were expecting to see in Zen are you eager to switch back to amd anything you were expecting

to see in zen 5 you hope to see in zen 6 i am not eager to switch back oh what i have realized is basically everything i do on my laptop is in a browser except for the occasional thing and i haven't run into anything catastrophic yet um i am i am really enjoying that realization should you just be on a mac i thought you were gonna shut up i thought you were gonna go chromebook and own book it's gotten never messed with the producer blocked never messed with the producer i didn't expect that you're gonna make me support mac we have a whole topic on why that's gonna be hell later yeah um oh do we yeah i i i i okay my understanding is that apple has addressed window management in a big way um so that was one of my irritations with mac is i i'm sorry i refuse way better

i refuse to buy a window management application um but my understanding is it's way better now you're right search is way better but if there's one thing that would keep me off of the Mac anyway, it would be Finder. I do not like Finder. I do not find it to be intuitive to navigate folder structures. I do not find it intuitive to access network shares. Apple went very DAS heavy. And it was very clear from, you know know the thunderbolt drive towers and just the the workflows that apple would feature in their marketing collateral that they just didn't really

get nas um the funny thing is that apple was i i would say one of the key players in moving 10 gig to the mainstream like the fact that the mac mini launched with 10 gig as an option, like the new Mac mini or the new, new, the less new, whatever. When, when Apple made 10 gig networking an option on the Mac mini and then dual

10 gig on the Mac pro, I was like, thank you. Finally, someone's doing it because Apple's the one that does it. And then everyone else goes oh okay we're not going to be our spec page isn't going to be comparable to apple if we don't have this it's like okay yeah freaking a let's finally go 10 gig um but anyway who is in a browser

and the search on the computer is pretty good does finder being an annoying piece of junk really matter yeah it does because i still will yeah i i navigate the folder structure of my computer frequently enough you just that would be a problem are you just old um i don't think so i think i just do a lot of work and um i think i just do a lot of work that requires me to be in my folder structure like i work at a media company is you looking through the folder structure on the computer a symptom of windows search being so bad no because i wouldn't do it so much if search would work yeah i still would because i wouldn't remember exactly what something's called necessarily like many of the files that i'm accessing are mvi 0723

dot whatever like it like footage things like that right i know i need to be i need to be able to quickly go to the folder see it in thumbnail view exactly um so with the amount of that that i do i just i just don't see it and a part of it for me i have to confess it would be just being old and set in my ways i don't want to remember new shortcuts like keyboard shortcuts um yeah yeah me neither i i do not objectively i stand i i believe this is objective i apple's um command key is really hard to reach compared to control for executing shortcuts I would that's not something that I would ever think is better or the same I genuinely do not know

I genuinely do not know people are saying finder can show the folder path yeah my issues with finder run deeper than just seeing or not seeing the folder path I just do not like finder I'm sorry I yeah I'm sorry I just can't i can't um people are like every excuse not to try it out guys i switched to a mac i switched to a mac for over a month i'm just trying to mess with linus um finder freaking sucks and i would use it too gilmiss says linus sorry but you're objectively

wrong there's so many media companies that use Mac compared to Windows. That is like, oh, man. That is so flawed for so many reasons. Nothing that I said was that media companies don't use Macs. And you got to understand that a lot of the reasons that media companies use Macs, it's not because Finder is good. Like, I'm talking about the way that I need to access it's not because finder is good like i'm talking about the way that i need to access footage i'm i don't you i'm not an editor i don't use final cut i'm going

in and i'm i am i am like browsing media files like i'm uh like it'll be like hey linus can you have a look at this section of this clip is this something that needs a pickup for example i wouldn't open final cut or Premiere for that. I would just go find the file. So yeah, I'm telling you guys, my workflow specifically requires me to be comfortable navigating the file structure. I'm not saying that,

I'm not even arguing that media companies don't use Apple. And a lot of it does not come down to Finder. It comes down to software like Logic. It comes down to software like Final Cut Pro, right? It's not, we're not even, we're not even talking about the same thing. There is no objectively wrong that I find Finder to be unintuitive and difficult to use compared to Explorer.

Explorer is not perfect. Explorer absolutely has its issues but uh yeah no basically explore is pretty good i don't disagree that it has its issues and stuff but explore is pretty good i mean it has it even suffers from some of the things that i find frustrating about apple like for example why is there a limit to how big I can have my thumbnails? Why can't I just have even bigger ones? Right? Like why? And that's such an Apple thing. Like I remember, I think it was you, Luke, that I showed this to and you were like, what? When I showed you that there's, there's like an artificial limitation to how far you can zoom into a picture when you're when you're looking at it on an iphone as iphone yeah like that's so wacky and the fact that you like and you know because because you know apple right you understand

the product philosophy right the reason is that they don't want you zooming in too far because it'll look blurry it's like no i'm actually just trying to see that and and you can zoom in as far as you can like reach on the screen but when you let go it'll like bring back so no i actually just want to leave it there i don't want to keep my fingers on the screen to be able to see this and just like stupid things like that like not being able to lock an iphone in landscape mode even though you can with an ipad um and that was true even back when they were both using the same operating system. They were both using iOS, but it was just an arbitrary limitation. It's just stuff like that, but Microsoft absolutely does the same thing sometimes. And I'm sure the thumbnail size thing is, again, back to

different company cultures, different company philosophies. With Microsoft, it's probably more to do with the fact that no one felt like revising the code too much and it's been this way since xp or whatever like it's it's for completely different reasons but i do think there's absolutely ways that explorer could be improved i just do prefer it to finder okay should we do some more topics all a merch message wasn't it i don't even know who even knows anymore we only do one merch message? I think we're supposed to do another one. All right, hit us, Dan.

Oh, that would be three merch messages. Okay. Oh, are we mixing it up? Oh, hold on, I screwed up. Okay, fine, Luke. Well, hold on, hold on. Before we do that. Sorry, Dan.

I thought we only did one. It's my fault. No, no, no. Wait, before we do that, there are a few things for us to talk about real quick. We have some cool stuff for you guys to check out on the store if you're looking for an excuse to send a merc message a mercenary message um if you're looking to send a merch message we have a poster i don't think we've ever done a poster before but you can level up your space with the intergalactic gpu poster it's just a cute art print of a legally distinct gpu that is literally

out of this world look at that your space 2 could there we go your space 2 could look like that frame not included uh i actually have one with me isn't that that classy? Love it. Oh, where'd Luke go? Oh, there he is. Anyway. Where are you growling at? I have one with me. Arthur asked me to specifically call out that the frame is not... Man, I'm going to...

Dude, I'm going to get this. Wait, how is that... Is that camera not level? I swear this is level. Okay. This is painful. Okay, there you go. That's what it looks like. It comes in a tube

and it's available now. So that's one of the announcements for the store this week. Does it come with the frame? No. Dan. I just wanted you to reiterate. Shout out Gary from our design team. And it's printed using pigment ink on luster photo paper, which means it's got greater color and detail

and it's more resistant to fading than your average poster. Oh, okay. Thanks team. It's available in super limited quantities with a limit of one per person. Oh, okay. Apparently this is just like a, like a, a small thing. Oh, also, oh, where'd it go?

Here it is. Our collaboration with Delta Hub is now live. You can pick up one of these LTT, and sure, one of these LTT Carpios today using the link in the description. It's got Teflon feet, so unlike a standard wrist rest,

it glides along with your hand. There we go. While you're using it, and basically supports your wrists. There's only 2,000 units available, so grab yours before they run out. We're going to have it linked in the video description. And I have one last store update for you guys. Scribe Drivers. That's right.

The product that should have been called the write-off. Scribe Drivers are going to be in stock soon. We've been getting a ton of comments and messages asking when we're going to be restocking the Scribe driver. For those who don't know, it's a stainless steel bolt-action pen that is made out of repurposed LTT from the original supplier that disappeared and screwed us over and then made these subpar shafts that were not the right knurling type for a screwdriver, but it turns out great for a pen. So it's made out of repurposed LTT screwdriver

shafts. When we initially launched the ScribeDriver, we sold out of all 5,000 of them in, I believe it was 33 hours or something like that. Like it was about a day it was crazy i don't think oh i was gonna say i don't think we've ever seen sales velocity like this but i think the original screwdriver may have been higher uh but either way this this was

i don't think we've ever been as surprised by sales velocity certainly not i think we had like 200 left near the end of wan show right it was like yeah it was crazy yeah anyway like that we've come a little more prepared this time we're gonna have 10 000 available next week but there's over 11 000 people already signed up for a notification so if you want to secure your scribe driver before we run out again sign up to get notified at lmg.gg slash pen. And then you will know exactly when we restock. I've seen so many people that are like, OMG, I'm being so careful with mine right now because they don't have any more stock. I'm going to buy another one like as soon as they restock so that I like don't have to be stressed about losing it. People are freaking loving this thing.

Alright. That was it, Dan. Where are pens? Is pens under tools? Yes. The pen is under tools. Which is fine. It's a writing tool. But seriously, guys, five stars. Let's go. Look at this.

Oh, the big one that I found is a bit disappointing. Well, look, that's all the proof you need that we do not censor people from posting their real impressions on our site. All right? There you go. Jeez.

Awkward. This is what happens when I'm browsing the site live. You gotta love it, right? That doesn't change the overall picture five star product yeah all right what are we supposed to be doing right now i'm doing okay more topics let's go and i'm sorry zeal from akron us i'm sorry the scene between the two sections is noticeable yeah i know the seam between the two sections is noticeable that's because they're made of different things this part is made of salvaged screwdriver shaft but the shaft is not the length of the whole pen we had to machine a separate

thing that's why they're they are separate things okay well all right well anyway um cool yeah no we wanted to reuse as much of the original material as possible. That's part of the coolness of the product. Yeah. It's recycled materials. Alon says, I wouldn't buy a five-star product that didn't have some critical reviews. That's fair. That's fair enough.

Oh, that's going to be a fun video. Luke, we finally did it. We did the lowest rated PC. We shot it this week. So David scoured Newegg for the worst product, the worst rated product in every category. And we built a PC using all the worst rated products. It went about as badly as you'd expect.

Now, we didn't take products that were one star but just had one review and it was like defective so i think our threshold was it had to have at least five reviews but we ended up with a lot of two and a half three star products and without spoiling too much dav David tested it to make sure everything worked and it didn't fully survive the shoot. Wow. It's a fun video. It's going to be a good one.

I'm pretty excited for you guys to see that. Okay, next topic. Nope. I have more community announcement things. Oh, okay. There's an article on the lab that was basically just published which is a uh a deep dive into overclocking the new ryzen 7 9700x um this is a first of its kind of like article type on the lab uh and it's very cool you should check it out and It's there. It's long.

There's a lot of information. Scroll through it. Go, go faster. Speed. I am speed. I'm overclocked. This is as fast as I can go.

No matter how many Watts you give me. I don't believe you. What about 4,500 amps? So if you guys are... I think that's what the motherboards are giving the CPUs. I went somewhere

else with that. I thought it was going to be letters that spelled something or something. No, no, way dumb. 8,008 amps or something like that. Can you turn off your phone notifications please me yeah oh oh is it his yeah i don't even know where my phone is oh there it is it's under my leg um fine oh hold on it's my wife though it might be important one sec uh okay i don't know what that means cool um oh wait no there oh there's more oh oh there's more uh there's a tech hoarders auction we made a video where i went to david's house luke do you

know about this uh i know you did something with this david's moving he's getting into the housing market which means some of his retro collection which he has accumulated over many years and spent thousands and thousands of dollars on some of his retro collection has to go now he was thinking hey we did that tech hoarders video at brian the electrician's place and people were pretty interested in like seeing me effectively go in and kind of shame people for all the stuff that they've accumulated you know um people really liked that format and he was like as much as this is you know me being the the zoo exhibit that we're all gonna ha ha at you know i think there's a tech hoarders here so what he did was before I got there,

he separated, he drew a line down the middle of the garage and he separated the stuff he was keeping from the stuff that he was going to auction in order to help pay for a gaming space in his new place and help pay for some of the fixing up that they need to do. And I was like, oh, that's super cool, David. But a big part of what you asked me here to do was to help you get rid of more of it so he had boxes and boxes of retro games and again without spoiling too much he got rid of a lot more than he had originally intended to. And he's going to, he's actually got everything that we went through and I made him get rid of up for auction right now.

The original video or the video where we're going to look at his hoard is up on float plane right now. So I think that actually went live. Oh shoot. I just closed full plane chat. Way to go Linus. I think that went live. Yeah, that went live while shoot i just closed full plane chat way to go linus i think that went live yeah that went live while we were on wan show today i'm auctioning his collection tech hoarders 2 uh absolutely incredible collection guys you're gonna see

you're gonna see some stuff okay like why does he own food fight for atari why why does he own classic why does he own why does he own pimp my ride for the playstation 2 classic okay yeah exactly um so the video is live on floatplane right now where you guys can check out what he's going to have for sale i believe it's going up on youtube tomorrow uh we wanted to make sure people had time to bid on stuff though, so we're letting the WAN show know so they can go take a look right now. It's at Urban Auctions, and oh, the listings are dispersed among non-LTT listings, so we asked them to add an LTT keyword to the listings but haven't heard back, so look for the listings with this gray hardwood as the background. Oh, good lord. Okay, well, at any rate, If you go to Urban Auctions. And then Refine Search.

And then LTT. Basically anything here. Is a piece of David's collection. And there is some very. Very interesting stuff in here guys. Dude. It's kind of wild. Analog consoles.

So many consoles, a lot of modded consoles that he personally modded. There was a lot of stuff that I was kind of tempted to pick up. I'm not seeing Einhander. He must be keeping it. Complete in box Final Fantasy VII. Oh, yeah. Man.

There's some analog consoles that... I don't want to go into it so much. I have been trying to get them for a long time and talked to certain people, and they said that I could get them, and I have not found a route to getting them. I really wish analog continued to make some of their older stuff. Okay. Hopefully they can figure that out eventually.

Nope. The listings should all have LCT in them now. We have heard back. So it's all good. What auction site was it again? Urbanoctions.ca Dan, do you want to just throw that link in all the chats? Sure. Is there anything else that's on our list of announcements?

Oh yeah, Scrapyard Wars Part 3 that link in all the chats? Sure. Okay. Is there anything else that's on our list of announcements? Oh, yeah. Scrapyard Wars Part 3. Coming out soon on Floatplane. Keep your eyes ready for that notification. Also, our Episode 3 giveaway is live now, ahead of us releasing Episode 3, and the prizes include two Java-editioned, oh, signed LTT screwdrivers,

which I will be signing right now, apparently. So, basically... Did we love-hug urban urban auctions or is my internet just struggling uh oh it has been hugged okay whoops well that's just typical sorry guys there oh no there we go it's just long anyway we did a couple of screwdrivers in java's color scheme and i'm going to sign them right now and you can get a chance to win all you've got to do is check out the link in the video description which i assume is there but i haven't actually looked for it so uh good luck everybody okay hold on back to my document now so i will know i will know uh yeah lmd.gg slash syw giveaway three

they'll have even more screwdrivers to give away along with a bunch of really cool and exclusive prizes and we'll have everything linked in the description okay okay okay i think we're good i think that's all the good lord is that ever a lot of announcements this week all right what do you want to do next I believe in you Luke you're going to pick a really good one what about those things you're supposed to be signing I just signed them okay good I wasn't paying attention goodbye

he's a fast boy reddit CEO hints at paywalled subreddits and AI search an earnings call earlier this week Luke we're never going to know we're never going to do the good News WAN show at this rate. How dare you pick that topic? I don't think,

I think we already haven't. Haven't we already covered negative things? I know. I just mean, it's never going to happen. No, just fine, fine. Just do it. I'm over it.

In an earnings call earlier this week, CEO Steve Huffman suggested that users could start to see paywalled areas of Reddit that may include exclusive or private content. Reddit will start testing... Oh, wow. That could actually do really, really well. Reddit will start testing

AI-assisted search later this year, using a mix of first- and third-party AI models to provide search summaries. Reddit went public in March of this year using a mix of first and third party AI models to provide search summaries. And Reddit went public in March of this year and has been aggressively pursuing new ways to monetize the site's content, which is created and moderated by their users, which is created, sorry. Increased API fees, which many third party apps couldn't afford. So essentially just had to shut down, which I think was honestly,

if we're being real, the play and what they wanted. They signed a deal with Google while blocking other search engines from crawling. Maybe this is part of why Google got crushed as a monopoly, and signed a deal with OpenAI, allowing posts and comments to be used to train chat GPT. They also increased the number of ads shown to users. They're currently testing ads within comments and they're planning to include ads in search results. Yikes.

Reddit's Q2 earnings reported a 54% increase in sales from the previous year with losses shrinking to 10 million from $41 million. Wow. Discussion question, why do we keep on putting up with Reddit? Well, because they crushed all the other competition, so there really isn't much anymore. Yeah, and we're at the point now where they've got that incumbent advantage.

Like, you're just not going to find information on, you know, PlayStation 3 modding on a new community that springs up tomorrow. You know, not the same way that you will find this wealth of it that exists on Reddit from back when everyone was super into it. of it that exists on reddit from back when everyone was super into it you know um i just don't see i just don't see a path forward other than just take it um i don't know and and to be clear i'm not saying that i want to do that i'm just saying i don't see people standing up i mean reddit already pulled moves that were deeply deeply unpopular with their user base and as far as i can tell everyone just came crawling right back right back really even left i mean a couple of them shut down communities thing where like the doom scrolling maneuver when you close an app and then pause for three seconds and open it again?

Or are you like, oh, I'm done with Reddit on my phone. I will now go on to Reddit on my computer. I feel like that's what users did. They're like, oh, I'm annoyed with Reddit. I'm going to close it and walk into another room and then open it again. I didn't notice anything even slow down. Oh, well.

In other news, still not good. Google kills the Chromecast, introduces successor Google TV Streamer. They can't just call it Google TV because they killed that in the past as well i actually wasn't done talking about reddit they're gonna kill it with private subreddits um and with monetized subreddits because they're already very adult content friendly so like look out only fans i actually see them i thought you meant they were going to kill it as in they were going to kill reddit no they're gonna crush it enormous amounts of money from yes yeah yeah yeah if i was only fans i would have my eye on this extremely closely yeah probably only one eye knowing only fans um next topic sorry what has one eye is it a snake

google kills Chromecast. On Tuesday, Google announced via their blog that Google TV Streamer, a set-top box replacement for the Chromecast, a set-top box replacement? For the handy little dongle? Gross. Yeah, I know, right?

With added support for matter over thread? What? for for matter over thread what uh anyways the the best of google tv for ai powered personalized entertainment uh google into the announcement what changed it's a hundred dollars compared to a 50 chromecast 4k they added an ethernet port okay i'm i'm actually super into this the fact that we were all wi-fi all the time for video streaming was phenomenally stupid now yeah yeah i do like that there's ethernet now i'm into this i don't know if paying double the amount for ethernet makes no sense but um there's a 22 improvement in the soc but it's also just like a new product. So that's fine. They moved from Amlogic SOC to the same MediaTek lineup

used in the Amazon Fire Stick. Right, so it's $100 Fire Stick. No longer has an HDMI cable built in or any HDMI... Oh, gotta not move stuff during... Oh, sorry. These are part of the same thing. I'm so sorry.

Sorry, Luke. Where did it even go? It folded up with the Reddit CEO hints to not move stuff during oh sorry these are part of the same thing i'm so sorry sorry luke where did it even go i i full it folded up with the reddit ceo hints that paywalled subreddits one all right um watch me mess with luke and move it again sorry go ahead all right i mean you can read it if you want no no go ahead all right um well i have to find it again. So this is a fantastic port. It no longer has an HDMI cable built in or any HDMI cable at all. Just a port. Okay, did you find it? Yeah, just a port is fine. I wonder if one comes in the box.

No, just a port. I assume it would. Nope, just a port. But it says no cable built in or with it at all. Are you sure? Yeah, I know, right? Okay. That seems weird. I mean, things don't come with chargers anymore luke luke things don't come with chargers this is uh oh what matters uh it's a like smart home thing and i forget what thread is

okay um fcc filing done by quanta computers instead of directly from google okay uh the remote has a speaker now so that you can chime in when it gets locked chime it when it gets lost okay that's actually neat yeah that's very cool volume buttons move to the front of the remote instead of a rocker on the side i don't love that it's a set top box i just hate that it's a hundred dollars um it's $100. I don't really see why this needed to be so much bigger and so much more expensive just to add an Ethernet port because from my point of view, that's all they've really done here. This is just a price hike.

That's all it really is. Google TV Streamer is also, in my opinion, not a good name. Yeah's not like a bad name in the sense where companies make bad names that are like impossible to decipher it's just it's so generic that searching for anything to do with it is going to bring up a whole bunch of other garbage especially in google's own search engine that sucks um yes it's just yeah chromecast is like it's it's catchy everyone knows what it is i can see how it's kind of outdated these days because realistically

most of what you're doing with a chromecast is not casting from a chrome enabled device like it's kind of an outdated name but it had such uh it it was it's so well understood. It has so much momentum already. I don't see why they wouldn't just call it Chromecast 2024. Just call it Chromecast, even though the Chromecasting part is not really the most important part of it. I just don't see why this has to be $100. That's my biggest thing here.

be a hundred dollars that's my biggest thing here yeah somebody in full plane chat said there's a lot more storage i'm not sure about that why do you need a ton of storage on your chromecast though i didn't i didn't know chromecast had any storage they do i never wanted any storage you can run emulated games on them and stuff i think on a chromecast i think so android games yeah yep yeah it has 32 gigs of storage so that's something but like does 32 gigs of storage cost that's practically nothing in the modern day yeah i don't know guys yeah the hardware specs suck it's like marginally faster than the old one. Ani Hykic says, I just want a streaming box experience

without any attachment to Fang. I mean, what are you going to stream from that isn't going to come from, what is it? Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Google? Like, come on. What is the new fang acronym i think there's a new one yeah i don't remember what it is but yeah i don't know i don't know what the latest one is yeah all right corsair has ditched 80 plus they are dropping the widely

recognized 80 plus power supply certification for the newer more comprehensive cybernetics lab certification so 80 plus actually doesn't measure much it measures the efficiency of a power supply at four different load levels 10 20 50 and 100 cybernetics applies more than 1450 different load combinations to devices under test and considers efficiency power factor and noise level in its ratings um oh bonus results comparison what is this oh no interesting we've got the same power supply evaluated by 80 plus cybernetics and ltt labs that's kind of cool here we go okay yeah i'm screen sharing uh so this is the report from 80 plus on the 750 watt uh the the gx 750 oh yeah sorry uh gx 750 from c sonic so basically

input power output power so efficiency efficiency it's all pretty much just efficiency okay here is phonetics already looks more for real cables and connectors gauge of the wires this is actually pretty important because um i don't know if i ever saw a switcheroo where a manufacturer changed the gauge of the wires but we definitely saw ones back in the day where manufacturers would submit for certification with shorter wires and then they would ship with longer ones that were better for cable management but those shorter wires would allow them to get better efficiency and a better 80 plus rating average efficiency okay cool cool cool cool um ac loss uh hold up time vampire power oh efficiency graph oh that's kind of cool so minor rails versus major rail versus um 12 volt rail because if you have uh there were some

power supplies especially back in the day where if you had absolutely no load on them outside of the 12 volt rail uh they would really struggle like they expected to be evenly loaded it's not nearly as much of an issue today but how much of an issue is it well you'll only know if you look at proper power supply testing this is great i actually have been very pleased to see cybernetics um start to horn in on 80 pluses monopoly and sort of validating power supplies and to see corsair come out and be supportive of this is just great let's do away with this meaningless uh this meaningless certification that doesn't really help people properly understand the difference between a good and a bad power supply

and try to support more comprehensive testing so that people really know what they're buying and then moving on we've got ltt labs overview of the same power supply. So there are things that we are interested in that cybernetics isn't necessarily. I don't know if we've actually got that rolled out yet. But one of the things that I know we're working on is a look at the lengths of all of the cables. Yeah, so we don't have that rolled out yet so that's hopefully coming in the future and you're really going to have to oh man we're gonna have to scroll a lot brown out hold up duration cool good job cybernetics stay real okay what else we got today what do we do next

uh x war 2 asks would you give an ltt labs certification stamp in the future we've talked about that as a possibility right now. That is not, um, right now that's not something that's on our roadmap. I think we still have a lot of work to do to, um, expand our testing across more verticals to go deeper into testing and some of the verticals that we already test um standardize some of our testing uh build up our team to have um more more backup so that we can so we can test more products in the queue at once like there's there's so much that we have to do before i think we're going to try and develop a program where we boil down the quality of a product to like a simple badge or color code or a grade or something like that that kind of makes sense is that kind of a line uh interim head of labs maybe i should let you answer that question whoops

i don't think we've talked about that publicly by the way well gotta go uh should i pick another topic? Nice, it's just me? Perfect. Hardware hackers develop method for restoring software-bricked first-gen Apple HomePods. Many users of the original HomePod have had their units bricked due to software errors. I'm not going to address that at all. Don't have USB ports, only proprietary connector hidden under the base used by Apple for diagnostics.

And Apple's only response to bricked HomePods has been to charge users for out-of-warranty repairs and replacements, leaving users with no other options. Until now. I'm not, no, I see chat. I'm not addressing it. Repair guy, Mix Fix in collaboration with whoa, how do I say that name? David Ryskaletsk? Ryskaletsk? Not sure. And Thimstar figured out how to open the HomePod up, access the port, and fix the software. He's published detailed instructions on how to fix it yourself, or you can just ship it and pay for him to do it. The detailed instructions are on GitHub. If you look for HomePod-restore on GitHub, you should be able to find it. Very cool project.

Is he coming back, Dan? Hello? Is everyone gone? Sorry, what? Is Linus coming back? Who? Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness.

Okay. I can keep doing topics. I'm going to keep ignoring it. RIP Game Informer. After 33 years, the longest running US gaming magazine is gone. GameStop, who acquired the magazine in 2000, has laid off all 13 staff members. This comes after multiple rounds of layoffs since 2018. And as a final slap in the

face to the staff, the farewell message wasn't written by anyone at Game Informer and looks like it was written by AI. Apparently, the next issue was about 70% complete when the layoffs were announced. And a group led by former GI or Game Informer video producer Ben Hanson is now attempting to preserve as much of the publications as possible. Sorry, Luke. I'd love to talk in more detail about what we were talking about before, but I have some welches to you.

Wow, that's a lot. Wow, that's a lot wow that's a lot you do like chubby bunny with welches try say it say chubby bunny chubby bunny that might be a first um sorry guys So, we're saying this a lot. No, we're talking about RIP Game Informer right now. That's gnarly. Oh, man. What is that?

oh man what is what is that there's a podcast that releases an episode like once a decade as far as i can tell but i i like it a lot it's called a life well wasted and they have an episode uh their first episode ever is called the death of EGM or electronic gaming monthly and it's actually a really cool look into the closure of one of these old gaming magazines I would highly recommend listening to it it's old so you know keep that in mind it's from like 2013 or something. But yeah, it sucks when these types of publications go down. And like somewhat death of modern journalism has been unfortunate. But yeah, discussion question is, what are some gaming magazines or websites that you, and then in brackets, audience, miss?

And where can the people go today for news reviews and previews well some gaming news you can get from game linked other than that there's um like game ranks is a really awesome youtube channel for gaming stuff that i've watched over the years those guys have always been great there's a bunch i get all my game news from yahtzee from yahtzee zero punk no no no not fully emblematic oh right right there was the whole fallout with the escapist yes um yeah i think it's genuinely like mostly youtubers these days which is kind of weird but well i mean that's where the money is it's hard to make money in written it's not yep it's not a secret we've talked about it

so many times on the show it's not a mystery why written publications are struggling because you can't make money with unobtrusive ads and people are going to block the obtrusive ads that you can make money with so your options are just don't make money or um yeah go under i remember like i'm in vegas right now for defcon and i i remember there was one time when i was a lot younger, when I was flying, I had a layover in Vegas for like a few hours. I didn't have a ton of money at the time. But I was stuck in the airport, I wasn't going to leave the airport, even though I was here for like, I think it was like four or five hours or something, because like, what was I going to do in Vegas when I'm like 16. So I entertained myself by buying, I think it was like, I don't know, like PC Gamer magazine or Xbox magazine or something

at the time. Because that was something I used to enjoy. I remember I had the Xbox magazine article that was all the pre-release information for Halo 2. I read that thing so many times.

I used to really like the gaming magazines. I liked having columns in them that were written by by the same people all the time so you knew like what kind of what kind of a writer that person was so you could you could almost read it in their voice all that type of stuff it was like pre-youtube for for me for gaming news content um yeah i don't know sad but the world keeps moving apparently second wind group uh is in hot water now as well i have no idea um how much of i i don't know much more beyond one of their creators just resigned following apparently a couple others who resigned. Good gravy. All right.

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people who needs two and a half gig five gig ten gig um i hear you i'm i'm with you. I want faster networking, but the vast majority of what anybody does is not going to be bottlenecked by Gigabit, which has been around on consumer motherboards since what? Like early 2000s? Late 90s? I'm pretty sure Socket A motherboards had gigabit networking so here hold on let me see let me see okay here's uh the retro web here we go and this is a

motherboard that was like kind of popular back when um when i was getting into computers blah blah blah no issue okay two times rj45 lan chips here we go yeah okay so this was um this was pci gigabit which was kind of problematic because it used up a lot of the available pcie rpce a lot of the available pci bus which was shared um if you were actually transferring at full speed not that you really could to anything meaningfully because your internet would be nowhere near that speed and um you know realistically unless you were i mean yeah i guess transferring off of nas you might get close but there was there was windows overhead and stuff like you never really saw gigabit speeds back in those days. But also, PCI just wasn't fast enough that you could get full, full gigabit speed. So this wasn't even proper gigabit yet, but it was already a thing.

Like, back when this board was popular. So this would have been in, like, what, 2003 or something like that? Like, 2002, 2003 Enforce 2 era? But it's fine um and making interfaces go fast over long distances is still really hard i mean look at things like thunderbolt we can go as fast as 40 gigabit per second on through you with usb uh usb4 right but those uh those interfaces are limited to uh luke do you do you know off the top of your head is it a meter or something like that like what's the fastest what's what's the longest cable length you can do 40 gigabit over for thunderbolt 4 i don't know off the top of my head i can try to look it up

uh no that's fine i i'm on it already uh two meters two meters two meters like five feet yeah an ethernet standard that can't handle a hundred meters is not a useful ethernet standard And so the complexity that you're adding in signaling on both ends in order to transmit and receive at much higher data rates over much greater distances, you've got to have a really good reason to make that kind of investment

in both R&D developing these chips and in just the cost of putting these chipsets into your devices i would make the argument that even two and a half gig the vast majority of devices that are shipping with a two and a half gig interface on them are not taking advantage of it almost ever the way that most people are using them like i'm thrilled that consumer motherboards have two and a half gig LAN on them now, because I happen to have a two and a half gig internet connection.

And even then the only time it really comes up is when I'm downloading games. And even then the only reason it matters for me is because my computer is fast enough that I can actually unpack those games at 250 megabytes a second. Because if, if I didn't have a fast enough processor, I wouldn't even be able to take advantage of that connection on a single system. So why not?

More like, why? We haven't been incentivized and it's really, really, really hard over great distances. There. Luke, did you have anything to add to that? Did I miss anything

no i don't think so yeah hey linus i saw you mentioned power rangers in a vid recently which one of them was your favorite oh which power well it's got to be tommy right you don't do by color well i mean well tommy was multiple colors though oh but i i liked him because he was like you know the the evil ranger the green ranger um and green was just like my favorite color and also like he was cool and um and then he was the white ranger later but then i didn't really care anymore about power rangers by that point so sure green ranger yeah let's go with green ranger i mean the last thing you want to do is like stand the white power ranger yeah that's uh a little awkward yeah wish they'd thought of that back then really yeah oops all right last one i got for you here why is it not okay for me to spend eight dollars to

look like jack sparrow in fortnite but fine for my so to spend fifty dollars to get her nails done or for people to dye their hair. It's all just cosmetics. Well, for one thing, I would ask both of you guys who you're trying to impress, like, it might not be okay for your SO to spend $50 to get her nails done. Who's she trying to attract? No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

I'm sure you guys are doing great. Somebody that plays a better video game? Look, I don't think either luke or i have ever said don't support um content that you love what we don't like is the predatory practices that companies like epic games are engaging in um personally i'm really not that into spending money on either of those things i you know i think you're i think you're probably right that i wouldn't judge someone for having their nails painted as much as I would sort of disapprove or if it was my kids I wouldn't disapprove as much of them buying an eight dollar um bottle of nail polish uh compared to an eight dollar skin in fortnight um honestly speaking it's not something that I've thought about much

and it's a really good question what is the difference i would say that one difference for me especially if you are doing it yourself like if you're painting your own nails you know putting on your own little stickers putting on your own clear coats or whatever i would say that that's an activity i'd say that's a hobby however you could make a similar argument for fortnight if playing fortnight is your is your activity if it's if it's your say that that's an activity. I'd say that's a hobby. However, you could make a similar argument for Fortnite if playing Fortnite is your activity. If it's your hobby, if that's your form of self-expression, then I think you could make an argument there. I wouldn't do either. I definitely have dyed my hair at points in my life. I was a lot younger. Um, and you know why I did it was the last time I dyed my hair before the D brand

sponsorship for the, the, the bleach this time, which by the way, didn't cost me anything. I actually made money on it. So yeah, more that.

Yeah, that's that was that this, this was not, this was not me painting my nails or buying a fortnight skin uh the last time i did it was when i had started dating yvonne but hadn't met her parents yet and for lols i dyed my hair bleach blonde right before she introduced me to her parents to troll Yvonne. That was the last time that I, what a jerk. Can you believe she married me?

Sometimes. I don't know. Oh, Katie talks, says Linus spent money on a facial treatment. So he'll spend money on cosmetics actually that is totally that is totally true um again though you know i do consider luke and i talked about this on the show i do consider maintaining my appearance to be an investment

in my career at this point like um not looking like my body's falling apart is is an advantage when you are an on-camera personality we can we can not like that you know we can think that's stupid or whatever but there is no arguing with it like if you if you want to argue that um you know not looking presentable doesn't matter um for an on on camera as a media personality you're just wrong like you're just actually wrong um it's not how it works no bro talks um uh i forget what it's called morpheus eight it's like a it's like a micro micro needling micro puncturing treatment now that's it so far elijah's like yeah that's why i got the butt lift oof um anyway i think a lot of it's like people's habits and stuff too like um linus mentioned the whole predatory nature of it it can hit people really hard uh like gambling is

one of the things that i look at. Gambling has ruined countless lives. At the same time, I know of one person who has a very healthy relationship with gambling. They know that they really like gambling. They find it very entertaining and they will take the money that it would cost to take themselves and their partner out to a movie and get dinner. And they'll leave all the rest of their methods of getting money at home. And they'll take that money to the casino. And they get dinner at the casino. And they gamble.

And when they're out of money or when they feel like going home, they go home. And that's like, well, all right, if you find that just as entertaining as going to go watch a movie or more so, and you're spending the same amount of money, that seems like a relatively healthy relationship with it. But in saying that, the vast majority of people don't treat gambling that way

when they gamble. So like, it's not, gambling can still be bad. But here's the thing, coming back to Hugo's question here. Like what's the difference? The cosmetic is the cosmetics industry has probably done more damage to people's mental health than Fortnite skins, honestly. And not just, not just mental health. I mean, we want to talk about, you know,

testing on animals or, you know, any other, any other harm that the cosmetics industry has created or perpetuated. It's, it's not an industry that I'm looking at going like, oh yeah, well that's like a perfectly reasonable thing to support. Um, I don't know. Maybe it's just, maybe it's that that was already normalized when I was in my formative years personally man i hate i hate to get into this kind of thing because i'm not i'm not judging or anything but personally i find um super um done up nails unattractive uh not i'm not neutral on it. I find it unattractive. To me, it looks like not just not wanting to work with your hands, if it came to that, it looks like actively avoiding, successfully avoiding doing anything that would break a nail or damage a glue on or damage the finish of the ends of your fingers.

It's not a trait that I find attractive, personally. So, cool? I don't know if that really means anything uh well what it what it means well they were asking why why do you have this double standard linus why do you think it's why do you think it's not cool to spend eight bucks to be jack sparrow and fortnight but it is fine tangible for my so to spend 50 bucks for your nails. I am not into your SO spending 50 bucks on nails. I think it's stupid. So yeah, but I think there's very tangible social and professional ramifications for not keeping up a certain level of appearance, which you have already pointed out.

And I don't really think that exists with gaming skins. I think it's a different thing. think that exists with gaming skins i think it's a a different thing i think if you show up looking disheveled all the time um people don't take you as seriously yeah yeah that's fair up without gaming skins i i don't think anyone cares or rather i mean back to my original question is who are you trying to impress uh maybe someone cares about you not having the coolest gaming skin, but you know what? F*** them. Why are you trying to impress them? Yeah.

Yeah. 016 Live says, Linus is kinda judgy. Look, I was talking about what personally I find attractive. Personally, I knew that Yvonne and I were headed for a long term relationship when she was over at my parents place when we were quite a bit younger and my parents asked for help mucking out the horse stalls

and Yvonne offered to help and shoveled horse manure with me so that I could be done faster so we could spend more time together if she had said okay I'll see you in a bit i can't do that because i might damage the finish on my paint on my fingers i'd have been like cool because to me

um you know that's i'm just not into it i'm not into into it. I'm sorry. And that works for some people. And you can be, and that's totally fine. Yeah, and that's totally cool. But I'm just not into that. That's all. Yeah, hit me. Georgie Linus. Oh, topics, right.

Oh, I got signed out. Perfect. Good timing. Luke, you got any topics? Yeah, Luke, are you fidgeting with something? Yeah, stop it. I was. I'm sorry. I stopped. Linus still has his phone on. Luke is fidgeting. My phone's been muted forever.

It was muted already. I was switching between the free spin and the not free spin. Oh my god. Sorry. Shake your leg like a normal person. He's probably doing that too. Are you sure you don't have ADHD as as well there's no way he doesn't sure that i do and i'm just there's no way he doesn't have you considered meth did you just say meds or meth meth

gonna get us demonetized with that. Sorry. You're not sorry. If you were sorry, you wouldn't have done it. That's one of my favorite Yvonne lines. Yeah, that's good. All right. Logan Paul sues CoffeeZilla for defamation. Oh, boy.

Investigation YouTuber CoffeeZilla is being sued for defamation by pro wrestler and fellow YouTuber Logan Paul. Oh, okay. I mean, he is, isn't he? Doesn't he fight in the WWE or whatever? I guess technically anything you've been paid to do, you're a professional at, so sure. Yeah. Well, Logan Paul and CoffeeZilla have a tenuous relationship

since CoffeeZilla did an expose on Logan Paul's NFT slash crypto game called CryptoZoo, this lawsuit doesn't have to do with that reporting, though Paul did threaten to sue for those videos, but dropped the threats. Instead, the lawsuit is primarily focused on a tweet from CoffeeZilla that reads, Logan Paul really is the type of dude to thank you when you expose his scam, then block you when you remind him to pay up. The tweet is referring to Paul's announced buyback of crypto assets from the community that invested in CryptoZoo that only promised to cover a fraction of the money invested and apparently has not yet materialized. Thankfully, to protect from frivolous lawsuits,

CoffeeZilla has media insurance or errors and omissions insurance, which is standard insurance for many media outlets to use when being sued for things like defamation, except his insurance company refuses to cover his claim, meaning that CoffeeZilla will have to pay expenses out of pocket. Yikes. To help fund their defense, CoffeeZilla has done a merch drop, which can be found at CoffeeZilla.store.

Okay, so there's a couple of things here that I feel like are necessary to talk about. His insurance company failing to cover him is due to sort of a comedy of errors where I think CoffeeZilla's existing um errors and emissions coverage was expiring so he asked to get a new one and then they got him a new one and he was like hey but does it like have this coverage and they're like yeah and then he didn't read it and it turns out it didn't um so who's liable for his for his insurance not covering this is probably TBD after some kind of legal process pays out.

But that's what I believe we know so far. The other thing is a lot of people don't seem to understand what defamation is. It's a word that I've used before. It's a word that we've used before it's a word that we've used before as a company and it has a really specific meaning that i think a lot of people do not understand if you were to say something like hey don't do a defamation about me don't defame me that doesn't mean you can't say anything negative you can absolutely say anything negative. You can absolutely say something negative. You just better be damn good and sure that it's true. Defamation

is saying something about someone that damages their reputation and isn't true. Now, the definition of truth and who the onus is on to prove the veracity of the claims is going to vary from region to region, depending on how the laws are worded and how everything is set up. But functionally, defamation, slander, libel, all of these things are only bad if what you're saying is not true um so our discussion question here is how does one defame someone with a reputation as bad as logan paul's um that's funny yeah it can still obviously happen um yeah this is going to be a

really tough one because as far as i can tell logan yeah by the way not legal advice but i just want to make it really clear guys that there is nothing wrong with saying something about someone that hurts their reputation that is true. And personally, I have never objected to someone saying something about me that hurts my reputation that is true. My only objection has ever been when someone says something that damages my reputation that is not, in fact, true. So this is where Logan Paul is going to have to,

is going to have, I guess, a challenge ahead of him to prove that what CoffeeZilla said was untrue or misleading and also damaged his reputation. If you want a deeper dive into the legal side of it, Coffee, not CoffeeZilla, Legal Eagle has a video from two weeks ago

that goes over the case. Man, it's wild. Maybe check that out. In CoffeeZilla's line of work, it is wild that he was without errors and omissions insurance. So errors and omissions insurance would cover if you accidentally defamed someone. So it's kind of a cya um for yeah

if he did accidentally defame him looking at this tweet though that feels like it's going to be a really difficult case for logan paul to prove like maybe the plan is just to bury him in legal fees as opposed to actually collect any money from him i also can't imagine that logo logan paul really needs the money from coffeezilla um give me one quick second i'll be right back yeah okay he apparently specifically chose a state that didn't have anti-slap laws so the idea is just to bury him in legal fees um yeah so slap i forget the exact i forget what it stands for but basically it's like uh it's a it's a frivolous lawsuit that's just designed to waste someone's time and money.

Strategic lawsuit against public participation. There you go. Okay. Man, this is wild. Well, good luck with that, Logan Paul. But especially good luck with that CoffeeZilla. I want to go check out... Okay. Riley's adding some stuff, because apparently he's watching

WAN Show. So his insurance company added specific exemptions to his agreement, saying they wouldn't cover defamation and errors in emissions. It wasn't caught by CoffeeZilla's team or insurance broker. CoffeeZilla thinks they may have scammed him, but cannot be

sure. Man, insurance brokers are one of those things like dude uh dan have you ever used a travel agent uh no i don't think so okay um it's one of those things where they claim that they can save you money but they take a cut so how does the math work on that every single time whether we're talking insurance brokers mortgage brokers travel agents every single time where there is an opportunity to cut out a middle person yvonne has been able to negotiate a better deal than through a broker and with fewer communication breakdowns i know in some cases insurance there's absolutely no way to get away from brokers but man i just i hate adding extra middle persons

with their extra cuts and with their extra potential for communications to break down i'm about to say something that might be pretty unpopular with some of the people that we work with professionally, but agencies, marketing agencies are another example of that. I can't think of very many. I can think of some. I'm not going to name any names here, but I can't think of many situations

where our engagement with a brand was enhanced by dealing with a creative or a marketing agency. It generally just adds complexity, reduces how far the budget will stretch, because they always take a cut, and generally reduces the amount of information that we can get. It just, yeah's it's terrible basically terrible uh vinnie 2k says often travel agents receive deals directly from hotels and tour operators that you may not have access to except vinnie if you call that hotel and say hey my travel agent offered me this deal they will often give you a better deal because money is

just money money's money um and if they have to give someone else some of it then they'd be better off negotiating with you directly that's just that's just how it is uh kelly says i used a travel agent that may not have saved me any money but they saved me a ton of time and that's fair enough um my problem is not talking about travel agents though i i was i was just talking about middle middlemen my problem though is i have an yvonne who will always do a better job than like the travel agent would do anyway so it's really tough um all right oh yeah right i wanted to check out i wanted to check out the store It's really tough. All right. Oh, yeah, right. I wanted to check out the store. Okay, where's the link?

Where'd the link go? Oh, coffeezilla.store. Coffeezilla store? Yeah. I just typed it. Have you checked anything out? Is it any good? Yeah, the thank you, I'm suing shirt is pretty cool.

What is this? I'm suing okay yeah i used to like coffee zilla until he investigated me that's awesome i want that one it's gonna i think i might actually buy that because uh hold on here we go Hold on. Here we go. Coffeezilla. Boom! Investigated. Look at this guy. Look at this mug. He looks guilty.

It's a different guy. That guy has a beard. Yeah, I know, right? Did he do us only once or did he do us more than once? Did Linus dye his hair and shave his beard? Just to escape controversy? All right, did he only do us the one time? All right. Okay, I'm doing it. $38?

Okay, all right. Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Ooh, there's a long sleeve! Okay. I think I might need this one. Heck yeah, let's go add to car actually i haven't even looked at everything yet okay sorry i'm actually just shopping right now if you guys want to hang out and shop with me then that's cool if you want luke to do a topic that's cool too no let's just shop just don't check it on stream please yeah yeah yeah yeah just relax buddy i'm gonna check

out on stream just relax you would absolutely do it are they all t-shirts you should have a screwdriver we should do a coffeezilla defense screwdriver you know what i just want to shout out i want to shout out coffeezilla for posing in his own merch okay i hate that when a youtuber thinks the drop is cool enough for you to spend money on it but doesn't think it's cool enough to take 15 minutes out of their day and put the merch on and be in the picture he's gonna step above beyond that too this is awesome look at the backgrounds and they're like color matched it's sick this is great okay yeah i'm doing this one wait i already have that what cat one what are you talking about

yeah the thank you i'm suing shirt is a cat um yeah that's cool but i i like the one that speaks directly to me i mean the cat is pretty cool yeah and it's like it's topical because it talks about how like when when logan paul thanked him at the beginning and then uh kind of turned around and is now trying to sue him and all that kind of stuff yeah no i like the one i like i like the one that i can pretend is him addressing me directly to be clear i never i never i never stopped liking coffeezilla i think i actually wasn't even aware of his video until we were talking about CoffeeZilla covering someone else on the show.

And someone was like, yo, CoffeeZilla covered you before or something like that. I forget. Yeah. M. Laper says, was going to say Linus isn't in the photos for the Chroma Tea on the store,

but oh, he's wearing it right now. Let's go. Come at me. Come at me. I will use any product from lttstore.com. And if it's good enough for me, it's good enough for you. Let's go. Yeah, give me a sec.

Oh, this guy's going away again. He's probably getting hacked. Probably getting, like, defconned. All right. I guess I will have to check out later, but I i'm gonna have to try to not forget to do this that's gonna be really really really really hard okay what do we want to talk about next dan apparently you and i are on it together hold on hold on hold on what luke has the shirt he has what shirt he has the shirt. He has what shirt? He has the RGB one. Sorry, the... I was pointing out that I wore mine yesterday.

Oh, nice. Perfect. All right. Funding the CoffeeZilla defense. Continue the shipping. Blah, blah, blah. All right. What do you want to talk about next, Luke?

Why am I picking all the topics? You always pick the topics. There's a new one that got added at the top, I believe. Ooh. Oh, it's just ready now. Two investigations by 404 Media expose A, Facebook incentivizing AI slop spam, and B, NVIDIA scraping Netflix, YouTube, and AI training. Jason Kobler spent months researching where Facebook's grotesque AI spam like Shrimp Jesus comes from and found an ecosystem

of influencers making courses on YouTube and Telegram teaching people how to use Facebook's creator program bonus to make money churning out AI engagement bait. The influencers, primarily located in India, the Philippines, and Vietnam, train people to set up automated systems generating prompts like poor people thin body to feed into Microsoft's free AI image generator and then post hundreds of AI generated images on facebook per day accounts get approved for monetization after a few days of churning out ai posts one spammer made 431 dollars from a picture of a train made of leaves

for their part facebook does have automated spam detection but these ai spam artisans have complicated ways to avoid it oh dude facebook's creator program okay this article is crazy because you basically the i forget what it is you like make a you make a wordpress site and then you like link it to something else on the back end and then it like posts on your behalf and because you it it like turns into an ad on facebook but it's not an ad but it like looks like a certain type of content so when people click it they think they're opening a gallery but actually they're just going to a site like like all the ways that it's interconnected i'm looking at this going like dude dude, it's just Facebook.

Like really? But apparently people are making serious money at this. Yeah. Facebook's creator program page says it incentivizes original content, which does technically describe newly generated AI images. Jason or the author's takeaways are that obviously don't fault the people who are making money this way.

Yeah. I mean, there, a lot of them are coming from places where they don't necessarily have a lot of opportunities. Now that doesn't mean that I think it's great. However, if you read the article, luke i read it before the show if you read the article it's clear that this is a systemic problem this is something that facebook is clearly not motivated to fix and could fix if they wanted to but because yes but because everyone's making money from this just

engagement bait facebook is clearly looking the other way and not closing these loopholes that's where jason's coming from where don't blame the people that are using this loophole it's it's kind of like uh it's kind of like tax avoidance basically saying look don't blame the people that are using this loophole. It's, it's kind of like a, it's kind of like tax avoidance basically saying, look, don't blame the person who should be better. Don't blame the person who's minimizing their tax. You would do the same thing. Blame the lawmakers who are clearly enabling this behavior and doing nothing

to stop it. And the fact that it's usually the case that the people avoiding the tax are paying the lawmakers to keep it there so you should still blame them yes yes but yeah i'm trying to explain where his point is coming from and it's it's just not quite as black and white as i think it came across in the notes yeah that makes sense uh american tech companies these are these are the author's takeaways again. American tech companies yet again launch things without understanding how they will be used and our convos about info, integrity, plagiarism, et cetera, are very divorced from reality. Okay.

In a separate investigation, 404 Media's Samantha Cole obtained Slack messages and documents showing that to train an AI video model, NVIDIA scraped as much as 80 hours of video per day from Netflix and super high quality YouTube channels like MKBHD. Wait, we talked about this before. The only difference is that I think NVIDIA

has given a statement now saying that their AI training practices are in full compliance with the letter and spirit of copyright law. So yeah, sure. That's definitely not saying we didn't do that. Also wrecked linus uh you weren't named uh nvidia compiled a list of sorry i wasn't named in what yeah they well they said they scraped 80 hours of video per day from netflix and super high quality youtube channels like mkbhd but not not ltd yikesikes. RIP. NVIDIA compiled a list of at least 38.5 million

video URLs to scrape. Screenshots show a senior employee discussing downloading the whole Netflix. When asked if they had approval for scraping, the same senior employee called it an executive decision, saying that we have an umbrella approval for all of the data. In a statement to 404 Media, NVIDIA said its AI training practices are in full compliance, like Linus just said. When asked for comment, a Google representative linked 404 Media to a Bloomberg interview in which YouTube CEO Neil Moh said that a open ai scraping youtube to train its sora video generator would be against youtube's terms of service which isn't them saying that they that statement to get rid of the heat that isn't them saying that nvidia wasn't given permission that's true

which would be interesting because back to what i was talking about man must have been two hours ago on the show or whenever it was um where i said that in general youtube had built up credibility with me had built up trust with me in the past but has lost it in a big way um this is a perfect example of one of the kinds of things that i would have assumed YouTube would do the right thing at some point, but I would no longer assume YouTube would do the right thing about the obvious right thing for them to do here. If they are monetizing my video as a member of the YouTube partner program would be to share that revenue. But you look at some of the moves that Google has made more recently, like when they opened up monetization on videos on channels that were not enabled for monetization yeah i was looking at it going hey you guys recognize that this creates a clear conflict of interest right like you guys are financially motivated to run ads

at a higher rate on channels that are not enabled for the youtube partner program because you guys keep everything it's not like you take that and share the bucket that would have enabled for the YouTube partner program, because you guys keep everything. It's not like you take that and share the bucket that would have gone to the creator. It's not like you distribute that to other creators on the platform to continue to build this ecosystem. You guys are just taking it. Whereas when you're running out on my channel,

you have to share it with me. And they're like, no, that's not a problem. I'm like, look, we're not doing anything wrong. I'm like, I didn't say you were favoring it. I said, it's a conflict of interest. I i said you guys are financially incentivized to favor it and basically that was the end of the conversation um so this is another this is another clear example if google were to monetize video that's being uploaded to the platform in this way this is another example of something that i would have

once upon a time assumed that they would share with their creator community and nowadays i i don't believe that they would yeah um i don't know this whole whole thing's going to suck. Someone, I think, tweeted it or something. There was a Bing chat response that they got to a question. No, it was on Reddit, I think. A Bing chat response that they got to a question,

which cited the LTT forum. Nice. Thanks. Open AI. Good info on there. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Thanks. Open AI. Good info on there. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Sweet.

Mac OS Sequoia asked for permission. A lot. Apple has been trying to step up security on the Mac in recent years, making it more awkward to run apps that require certain permissions or apps from non-App Store sources. With Sequoia, Apple will remove the ability to control click to override gatekeeper when opening unsigned or non-notarized apps apps that are granted access to features like screen recording or location tracking will also now require the user to continue to allow the access

on a weekly basis as well as after every system restart apple has not commented publicly but apparently has confirmed to multiple developers that this is not a bug some articles suggest that this could be a domestic abuse prevention measure while others liken it to windows vistas uac prompts calling it a subscription you didn't buy but can't cancel our discussion question is where do you draw the line between keeping users safe while staying out of the way of power users that don't want you to nanny them um i don't have answers here yeah the problem is that okay you know back to the domestic abuse argument you know if a spouse is you know screen sharing or screen recording everything you do should you should you find that out if you're not tech savvy uh i don't know the right answers here but i do know that i would find those

prompts annoying and i would want to get them to go away i think there's other ways to deal with that like a a like computer use awareness little like notification um that could be like i don't know i think that's not too difficult of a thing to do you could like do a pop-up once a week like did you know that your screen is like constantly being recorded this is like not normal activity for most users we're just making sure that you're aware because there could be like issues with this something like that would be fine easy things just get okayed yeah but super annoying constant password prompts result in terrible easy to crack passwords like that that's not a solution either yeah g free co1 says this is going to end up just like cookies you'll click the button and not read

it yep yeah 100 exactly like it's um that's why i'm saying like try to bundle it into like a warning like a non-standard usage warning of some form after 33 years the longest running u.s gaming magazine is gone rip game informer you did oh all right cool yep all right let's do some merch messages and then i kind of actually need to go got him okay hit me dan is dan there dan's not there oh i i guess i'll read some merch messages uh tristan says am i the only one who's really impressed by zen 5 thoughts luke linus dan yes it's only a marginal performance improvement but at 30 to 40 less power and a lower msrp hey pbo exists tech community tech community seems

cold on them i mean i think we made our position really clear in our review we were quite positive on zen 5 we acknowledge that it's not for everything and it's not for everyone i am super not stoked on the fact that amd didn't give it a higher power target out of the box and the fact that i have to void my warranty in order to see the generational uplift that is absolutely there if it was unlocked from the factory but it's also not the first time that we've seen this kind of very conservative power management from amd we've seen it before with their 5000 series and 7000 series x3d chips so maybe this amount of power is just what's safe for ryzen 9000 and that's just what we're going to have to live with. But overall, I think a big part

of the tech community's frigidness is based on the tech community's perspective of, is this a great upgrade for my processor that's the latest and greatest today? That world is over, you guys. Like, that's dead. Upgrading every generation is just not a thing anymore. So what we're comparing against is if it's time to buy a new computer right now, how does it compete in the market? And the answer is really well. I figured out where that notification sound is coming from. It's coming from my watch. Sorry, you guys kept telling me to mute my notifications.

I was like, oh, I did. That's why it was so loud because it was right next to the microphone yeah i'm not used to uh i'm not used to wearing a smartwatch anymore i'm going to be honest with you guys i do not actually know how to adjust the volume on this i figured it out yay being a tech influencer or whatever all right cool sorry about that open a ticket um all right dan you want to hit us with some merch messages yeah sure i've got a bunch here let's see um do contaminant monitoring products exist for water loops that could have alerted you before yours failed i work with tech that could easily be pivoted to that use case if there's a market for it i'm sure it does

exist but certainly not at the kind of cost that i would want to pay for my janky stupid dump heat into my pool uh water cooling loop i've got some i've got some plans for the longer term but that's uh yeah super cool technology and probably not applicable outside of, like, real data centers and supercomputers and stuff. Sorry, Chad seems to have missed. What did I miss when I was away? No, you're fine. Okay, cool. Luke, it seems like you pump the brakes when discussing web technologies.

I would love to see more segments related to your expertise, insights, and opinions. How do I pump the brakes? I don't know. You press down on them a few times. Thanks, Linus. You should probably have them bled if they're spongy like that. Yeah, I don't think most of the audience really cares. I think I address it at a level that gets the point across

but doesn't result in me talking about it for freaking ever. We're not like a web developer creator. I'm at DEF CON right now hanging out with a few of them, but that's not really what we do. So honestly, if you want content on that, you're probably better off just viewing someone else's. But I don't mind trying to answer the questions that do come through. That also being said, I'm not a developer these days.

I manage developers and I'm in the space. But like, yeah, I don't know. I do what I can. And I do what makes sense. Hi, first time Merch Messenger. A passion project I've had in mind. Build a computer with the longest possible lifespan, around 300 years maybe. How would you go about this?

Hardware, software, custom, video topic? You wouldn't. You might be able to find data storage that would last that long i think mdisk has a lifespan in the neighborhood of hundreds or thousands of years but every element of a modern computer is going to significantly decay across that kind of period of time i'm sorry hello dan luke and tech slim shady having both dyslexia and adhd and had an ex tell me it annoyed her any advice on dealing with your adhd and dyslexia in your relationship and professional life find someone who likes you for you be apologetic own it be up front um don't use it as an excuse um all three of those yeah

try to try to find ways to i mean there are benefits to i mean not not to dyslexia but there there are benefits to things like adhd you get that hyper focus going on and stuff like that um so make yourself hyper useful when you can and then when it's not working out great then it's not working out great i don't know and write down everything yes to the best of your ability yep this is technically after dark right yeah yeah sorry about that no that's all good i have to push the buttons okay let's see just started college this week at 37 wish me luck luke and linus if ltt hadn't taken off would you guys have wanted to go back or finish college what would you have majored in i would have needed to see someone require the degree for something that i really, really, really wanted to do.

There was no way I was going to go back just for lulz. Hmm. I feel like I still probably would have done software engineering. But realistically, if it was now, I wouldn't be going that route. Not because, like, I feel like people are going to spin that. Not because, like, oh, AI are going to take the jobs or anything like that. Just I've kind of started doing other things now. It's been a long time since I made my decision to go to university. I respect the decision I did make at the time, but it's not the same one that I would make now where I'm at in my life currently.

It is what it is. Hello, WAN people. I just found out that our tube lasers run Windows 7 while on the network with a port open for service, not to mention that we have confidential part files. Thoughts? You and everyone.

Mike muted. Mike muted. You and everyone. mean like me like me you and everyone i mean obsolete software is a reality in the daily lives of so many technology workers and administrators um try to do better good luck everybody yeah i feel like we're headed into kind of a dark age right because for things like old nuclear reactors or like um you know old really old machine shops or like like a lot of really a lot of obsolete windows 95 and Windows 98 stuff, it's bad or whatever, but it can be not on the network, so it's not that bad. Whereas we're headed into

the Vista and Windows 7 running machines of the world being obsolete and probably way more connected and therefore potentially a worse attack vector uh i think we're headed into a very dangerous period as far as like outdated it infrastructure and security goes love the podcast gives me something to listen to while i drive semi-trucks when is the next noctua collab i don't know um we're not going to force anything right screwdriver was cool uh we made some brown screwdrivers and that was cool but i don't think there's anything on the docket right now hi dll i'm a big fan of the adult lego sets like pac-man, Nintendo, and Atari. What Lego set would you buy instantly should it come out?

Greetings from the Netherlands. Oh my goodness. Lego's really expensive. Someone gave Plouffe, I forget who this is, but a viewer, I believe, gave Plouffe a Lego set, or like a Lego diorama of our set like the build corner set and it is so cool like the ideas they had they they did everything from like the led strips at the bottom of the little cages to the little arm that sits on that our camera guys use to hold the camera like it oh it is so cool

i would buy it awesome i would buy it i would want one ltt lego collab could buy the whole building that'd be neat that'd be so cool let's see linus what are your thoughts on smpte2110 the uncompressed video over IP standard. Do you see any advantage to be able to record directly to a NAS? Oh, wait. Is this what we use for short circuit? Because I don't think they record to SD cards. I don't think so.

I don't know. But if this allows you to, I've never heard this term before, at least not that I remember. if this allows you to i've never i've never heard this term before at least not that i remember but if it allows you to record on a camera and then just stream out of an ethernet cable to a nas or something like that then i love it um and i think we it being uncompressed though being uncompressed seems weird why would you even want it to be okay there are reasons to want it to be uncompressed but i could i wouldn't see us that. I don't see why we'd want completely uncompressed video. That sounds super cool, but I think I'd be okay with some compression. NDI is absolutely nowhere near uncompressed.

Sorry, Nene exists in Floatplane Chat. Yeah, and there's stuff other than NDI. NDI is not the only option for uh video delivery over over a local network yeah i think we found some stuff with labs that was absolutely not going to be good for it okay let's see we hey linus with all the mr beast allegations going on i was wondering were you invited to the big YouTuber video? If so, why did you not go? I don't think Jimmy's ever invited me to be in a video. I don't know. It's weird.

I feel like even though I'm West Coast, so I'm like a two and a half hour flight from LA, whether I just haven't made the right social connections or people like other creators know who we are like luke talked about this years ago where he went to twitch con for the first time and like thought fans were gonna approach him and they totally had no idea who he was but twitch creators would be like being mobbed by people and they'd see him and be like sorry excuse me i gotta go and like go to luke people know who they are cool but very surprising experience but i i feel like they don't really think of us as like i don't know like i don't know it's like i'm tech dad or something

like i'm not i don't think i'm you know you're not super social when it comes to creators like you don't really go to like you don't like going to events i guess that's true sorry i know mr beast is east coast guys i'm saying like a lot of collabs happen in la la is like the hot spot yeah um I wasn't specifically talking about Jimmy there. I just meant like, I don't really get asked to collab on anything. Um, like Ludwig has, has collabed with us,

but I feel like, uh, he really, he was really the one who drove that. I can't really take any, any credit for it. Um, like he called me recently.

He was, he had people give him advice on his birthday. I think I ended up giving a tier advice you know how i did it i was at a badminton gym and they just had like some books like like motivational books and i just like read the titles off the spines of like motivational books and he was like that's pretty good that's pretty good and then i like flipped my camera over and i showed him that i was just reading off of something it's pretty good that's that's pretty great i enjoyed it i think i think part of it is a uh weird people over a border in the corner situation where people would have to i mean

america is so huge and there's so many things to do a lot of americans don't even have passports i know create american youtube creators that don't have passports like they're not going to be coming up to canada um it's it's it's not convenient when you can like drive down the street for 10 minutes and have as many other collabs as you want in a few different areas in the States, like New York, Texas, LA. And on top of that, you don't like going to events. And I think when you do, you probably don't do a ton of the socially things. I don't think you go to the parties, things like that.

So, yeah. So basically. Not in the mind space and then difficult because far and over a border and everything else out of sight out of mind tech dad yeah no i like the tech dad angle okay let's see i got a couple more for you here hi lld i'm a young adult with his first serious partner lion has talked about a don't go to sleep angry rule in the past. Where did it come from? I instead find that resting helps solving conflicts. It's not meant to be literal. What it means is don't leave things unresolved.

So like don't go to sleep angry means it means don't walk away in a huff. It means don't It means don't walk away in a huff. It means don't just leave something and let it fester. It means talk it out, work through it, work together, as opposed to just letting things, letting conflicts, letting disagreements pile up over time until they explode. And last one I got for you here. dll question for linus cross code devs new game alabaster dawn got announced radical fish news looks really neat any thoughts or hopes for the games well i um didn't know you're hearing it for the first time yeah yeah the creators of cross code break nix's curse and guide humanity's rebirth in this top-down two and a half d action rpg

from the creators of cross code i can already see some similarities oh yeah there's no way i don't buy it but um yeah planned release date to be announced uh solve intriguing puzzles explore a changing world okay this looks very closely related gameplay wise to cross codes so uh really it's you know it's i'm not expecting to get a really different gaming experience out of it but uh what i am expecting i i really like the uh i like the way they've changed the art style a little bit to make it more clear what level things are on it the the world looks a little bit more two and a half dimensional here which is going to really help with puzzle solving i think in some cases uh but for me it's going to

come down to the story um like that's i love the characters i love the story that they created with crosscode so as long as they have taken the time and care to you know write a great story for this then i'm i'm stoked yeah if you're excited don't forget to wish lists very important can't wait oh i'm not going to need to remember that no no it's good for the devs oh yeah oh i see well i'm not signed in here oh i am signed in oh look at that all right sure fine oh cool add it to my wish list let's go very good all right linus i'm happy i'm happy you're signed in on that laptop that's a good thing oh i'm signing to steam account gets compromised i'm signing to steam who cares i've got new laptops for you guys so we'll lock them down

before we distribute good you lock it down i'm just gonna like take it off the table and pull my laptop out of my bag so those are your options we'll ban your your laptop off the network you can't ban my laptop from the network yeah we can no you can't yeah we can you could i'm not and i won't be able to get any work done all you can use a work laptop that's locked down i'll just bring one from home we'll ban that one fine i'll buy another one what are you gonna do what are you gonna do what are you gonna do what are you gonna do smart guy you ever think of that network to approved only those suck no luke no no you don't want to do this why are you doing this to me what are you gonna do i'm kidding how many hours did i have in crosscode i'm gonna check we'll just hire like a lot of people we've got the the infra linus team they just follow him around with like

tablets just to block firewall rules of max and ports and uh how do you uh how do you check that uh you should be able to see on the game's page oh yeah here we go yeah oh there it is whoa okay some of this has got to be i left it on overnight i apparently have 270 hours in crosscode there's no way oh yeah because my son played played through as well so it's probably like half of that uh but anyway i definitely i definitely have over 100 hours in crosscode it's a really good game. Okay, I think that's it for this week. We'll see you again next week.

Same bad time, same bad channel. Okay, bye! Bye! Man, I gotta be careful when parrying.