The WAN Show - GPU wars are coming!! - WAN Show Feb 14, 2020

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Welcome to the WAN Show ladies and gentlemen. It's gonna be a fantastic show today. How do I know? Because it's a show. It's Valentine's Day, and I really just felt like I owed it to you because Let's face it if you're here watching the WAN show it was because you didn't have anything better to do. Oh Yep, yep, I went there. I went straight there. What if it's just not till later? Just like us. Well, you know, for most of the continent, it is later. Oh. Well, you know. You know what, though?

That's fine. We appreciate you guys spending your Valentine's Day with us. That's right. We're here. We're here, but we're together. Oh, that's true. It's fine. You can be my valentine yeah

all right guys happy friday we've got a lot of great topics for you all today the word on the street what street is this the street where you fight yeah why do people talk about things like this on the street i want to find the street where we just talk about like tech tech news. Yeah tech news street. Yeah Intel Xe GPUs are rumored to be coming in configurations as hot as 500 watts So we're gonna talk about that a little bit later Sony is apparently struggling with PlayStation 5 price Due to costly parts.

Well, that's what happens when you just build a gaming piece. The, whoa, my thing just scrolled away like crazy. Elon Musk's Starlink plan was approved for Australia. Oh, I thought you were going to talk about how nobody wanted to get NVIDIA pregnant. That's, oh, that's where, oh. You really wanted to do that one, didn't you? I did. That was pretty good. But that's, yeah, we'll get into that one didn't you? I did that was pretty good

But that's yeah, we'll get into that later, too. Yep. Yeah, it was like their Valentine's Day present Was that they pulled out? Yeah? intro intro emergency intro Bail! Hard bail! Run away! The show today is brought to you by Bessie Footwear,

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Sometimes I can't tell what we're talking about. All right, let's jump right into Intel's XC series GPUs. There's another round of leaks. And what I've heard is that we should expect something this year, and it always happens. As you get closer and closer to the release date, the leaks start coming hard and heavy. It is Valentine's Day after all. Hot and heavy. Excuse me.

Sorry, sorry. This one seems almost in direct response to the previous leak. It kind of does, actually. So Digital Trends has obtained parts of an internal presentation. That's the thing about internal presentations. If you never intend for anybody to see it, why make a presentation? Well, I think that's not... I know, I know.

Executives need PowerPoints because they have the attention spans of mice. I have no idea what's going on. Okay, so Digital Trends has obtained parts of what is allegedly an internal presentation from Intel's data center group that gives the first real look at what Intel XE codename Arctic Sound is capable of. Yes, let's

celebrate the Arctic before it's all gone. The presentation details features that were current as of early 2019. So, it appears as though Intel has at least three distinct cards in the works with the TDPs ranging from 75 Watts all the way up to 500 Watts, which is the most we've ever seen from any manufacturer.

One of the hottest GPUs that I can remember was AMD's R600 to clarify here for one second before people are like this is gonna burn my house down. It's not made for Well, probably not though, but it's not really made for your house. It requires a 48 volt power Connector which is only provided in server power supplies. I'm sure someone will find a way But this is not gonna be like an average consumer card I want to know what the power draw of the Radeon HD 2900 was that thing was redonk a donk well you look at that the base card is 75 watt to 105 watt TDP it ranges. It is single tile, and these are probably going to be more of your average consumer cards. Then they step up to a dual tile GPU with a 300 watt TDP.

This will either be pretty high-end consumer or workstation-level cards. It's 50 watts higher than the already power hungry NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti and it's in their high power category. Then the last one that up to 500 watt it ranges from 400 to 500 watts. It is a four tile card and it requires that 48 volt power connector that I mentioned earlier so is probably just kind of like a data center centric card okay so the closest we've ever seen in the past was apparently the GeForce GTX Titan Z clocking in at I remember this because it broke the PCI Express like specification because it was 375 watts. Now, there have been some other kind of weird exceptions. So the Asus ROG Matrix GTX 580 Platinum,

that was a non-reference card, apparently could peak at 370 watts. The GTX 590 was apparently around 365 with the power limiter on. These are all dual GPUpu i was just gonna say so far though um the the highest tdp single gpu card that i can see is the 580 this is i'm using the geeks3d.com database uh i don't know can i do like a control f3 asterisk asterisk is that gonna work no you sure you sure that won't work yeah why don't why don't

placeholders work for this that sucks that would be kind of neat what about on the radeon side they've done a couple 300 waters so the 290 290x and the 295 x2 yes it's been done before the r9 295 x2 was apparently a 500 watt card. Crazy. Again, dual GPU though. So not quite unprecedented. Although, although this seems to suggest that it's going to have multiple. Well, maybe not. Like how, where do you draw the line between a GPU and a tile? Because I mean, I don't think anybody looks at something like a Ryzen 3950X

and goes, oh, well, that's multiple CPUs. We call it multiple CPU cores. And GPUs, in much the same way, could have multiple cores on separate dies because that's exactly what AMD is doing on their CPUs. They've actually got chiplets, so these are little like mini chips. And they're all connected through like an IO hub. So if Intel is planning a design like that, where do we draw the line between what constitutes a GPU

and what constitutes like a GPU chiplet? Would it just kill Intel to use the same terminology as everyone else? Could they just call it a chiplet? I like chiplet. I like tile. You like tile? I think tile's fine. Alright, explain yourself. I mean, when you look at it,

I think it just kind of looks like a tile. I don't think it's the worst thing ever. Looks like a tile. I don't think it's that bad. I think there's been much worse... I think there's been much worse naming I think there's been much worse naming schemes, including their own most recent CPUs. No, you're a tile. You're a tile.

Fine, fair. What was I going to say? I would almost look at it as the ones that don't have four tiles. I'm not a tile. Or chiplets. I knew something was coming. Would be like cut down versions,

and a four tile or chiplet one would be one full unit. Don't call me a tile. Yeah, that's fine. Tile, chiplet, I guess it doesn't matter. Yeah. PCIe 4 compatibility as well. Exciting. Not that there will be any Intel motherboards to plug it doesn't matter. Yeah. PCIe 4 compatibility as well. Exciting.

Not that there will be any Intel motherboards to plug it into. No. I mean, maybe by the time this thing actually arrives. Okay. So with this in mind, are you more or less excite for Intel graphics to enter the octagon? I am more excite. You're more excite. Because previously I think we had only heard of the 75 watt version. Is that right?

Yeah. You're more excited. Because previously, I think we had only heard of the 75-watt version. Is that right? Yeah, so I think we were looking at that going, okay, this is going to be like 1050, 1050 Ti level performance. But would four 1050 Tis really excite you at 500 watts? Bearing in mind that the rumor mill is seeming to suggest that NVIDIA's upcoming RTX 3000 series cards Bearing in mind, bearing in mind that the rumor mill is seeming to suggest that Nvidia's upcoming RTX 3000 series cards could be as much as 75% faster than their current ones. I'm not necessarily saying I am notably excited. I'm saying I'm more excited. More excited, okay. Because it seemed like they had like a, I don't know, what, mid to low range laptop card

ready to go. And then they were just like, yeah, when we release the desktop version, it's just going to be the laptop one just on a card. And that was really boring. And now it's like, hey. Hey, 500 watts. It's not boring anymore. All the power.

I don't know if it's going to be good, but it's not boring anymore. And it might be one of those things where it's architected mainly for the data center so it ends up being like really great for machine learning or something like that but on the desktop it actually ends up not making a ton of sense it could be not really aimed at consumers at all it could the laptop version one could be like it goes in laptops goes in cheap desktops yeah and there could be a genuinely workstation card. And we might end up seeing it in a lot of laptops because Intel will pull some kind of like a Centrino type branding.

Where, okay, if you buy an Intel wireless chipset and a motherboard chipset and a CPU and a graphics chipset, you have this intel intel ice trail well row lake you get a cool badge and maybe it's cheaper or something i don't know we help you with marketing probably yeah usually that's the way it goes you don't really get a discount but you get like you know three dollars worth of mdf and if you buy enough of them then all of a sudden you can buy yourself a super bowl ad or whatever the case may be um all right what else we got before we keep going oh yes because we're done that one yes you have new youtube channel yes should we talk about and i have a new floatplane channel oh well just goes on floatplane as well yeah so yeah okay i am ready to talk about how it works on floatplane by the way we're uploading 4k videos to floatplane now

nice okay so linus tech tips so z-poss one week early access except when it isn't convenient okay okay so like if there's an embargoed product that's going to go up at the same time or if a sponsor is like yeah no you're not allowed to release it like early on that one we want it to go everywhere at once we're like okay i guess uh or if for whatever reason we think that this item is time sensitive because like i mean a perfect example would be the kickproof tv i think we only did like a one day window on it or something like that because we were deeply concerned that it was going to be yet another one of those stupid situations ah like the two terabytes of RAM opening Chrome tabs one where that video was live on floatplane actually for about a month and then someone else

Jonathan Morrison uploaded a video Opening up as many Chrome tabs as he could on his Mac and then two days later We upload the video doing it to YouTube and people like TLD did it first. Like, sort of. Not really, but sort of. And also, it doesn't matter. Neither of us are the first ones to come up with that idea.

Anyway, so if we think for whatever reason that it's time sensitive, then we might do a shorter window. But we're going to aim for a week. TechWiki, one week. Unless it's time sensitive, like, oh, it's, you know, a rundown of the latest Android OS or something like that, where it's more, like, news-oriented. So that'll be pretty rare. That'll be pretty rare on TechWiki, but it'll happen from time to time.

TechLinked, simultaneous release. I think sometimes it hits floatplane, like, half an hour earlier. Sure. Yeah, so we'll upload it to there first, but whoever's done processing basically wins the race. So pressure's on you guys. Hey. Channel Super Fun is back. Yeah.

The first upload in years. I think so. Went up today. Well, a week ago on float plane. So Channel Super Fun is still going to have a one week window. I'm not going to promise that we would never ever do a simultaneous release or a shorter window Just because if there was some compelling reason then we might do it But we're targeting a one-week window just like LTT and then finally

Short-circuit is the new channel. So What makes short-circuit different from LTT is the question that a lot of people have asked internally and a lot of our viewers have asked already seeing the short circuit teaser trailer sort of pilot episode that went up on the Linus Tech Tips channel earlier today as an extra release and then also the first official short circuit video that went up hours later I had actually intended for those to be like a few days apart. So they went up like right after each other, which is sort of not what I had planned, but it's okay.

You know what? The team's dealing with it, so I'm just, I'm leaving it be. So we've had a lot of people ask, well, what exactly is the difference? And the difference is that a lot of the time, LTT has sort of become uh an unwieldy ship to steer well it has it's fine it has there's like you have a gray hair in your

beard yeah a few of them actually how about that yeah um it's weird right right? Yeah, I know. You knew me pre-beard. I know, I know. And now the beard has gray hairs. Getting gray. Anyway. It has been that long. LTT has become a little bit of a big ship to steer. So when we decide to do a project, we have to tick all these boxes. Like, it has to be important enough

to a broad enough slice of the community. There has to be a title and a thumbnail that is going to keep up the momentum of the channel. Highly enticing. You cannot afford, on a 10 million subscriber channel, you cannot afford to upload a week's worth of niche videos about some weird phone with a keyboard on it. That's actually the first video

that went up on ShortCircuit from some brand nobody's ever heard of when everybody else is uploading Galaxy S20 Ultra videos. That's the kind of thing that gets people to click not interested and quickly takes that momentum that you have and destroys it. And when your momentum goes down, it can take months to recover if you recover at all. LTT took about seven months to fully recover from the dip that it was going through from January to April of 2019.

So we are finally back on track, and I would not do, even no matter how cool I think some product is, I would not compromise the health of the channel and therefore the health of this company in order to make a video about it. That is where ShortCircuit comes in. So whether it's something that just doesn't have enough material in it for an LTT, like one of the rules for an LTT video, along with being something enough people are interested in, and thumbnail, and title, is that there has to be some kind of a learning outcome.

So even if it's some stupid little item that's like a weird $2 adapter that I found on AliExpress, there always has to be some learnable thing in the video. So an example was we did a DIMM to M.2 adapter. So I bought that just for an excuse to talk about the different standards that exist for m.2 because some of them run nvme some of them actually use the older sata protocol and the drives themselves are not interchangeable and also because i wanted to talk about buying weird adapters on sites like e and AliExpress, and then being disappointed

because they don't work exactly the way that you expected them to. Just looking at that product listing, if I wasn't a really savvy shopper, and sometimes I play the dummy a little bit in the video, I knew exactly what I was buying, guys. But if I were a non-savvy shopper looking at that product, it would have looked like I installed this in a memory slot, and then I was able to add an extra SSD to my system like that. But that's not how

it works. A memory interface is designed to have direct access to the DRAM dies that are on the module. It's not designed to interface with a controller, which is how any drive, whether it's NVMe, say to SSD, SATA hard drive, that's how that's designed to be accessed. And there was, before that video went out, there was genuinely like FACO, oh man, I can get like so much more RAM by doing this images going on the internet.

Which I'm sure were just meant to be trollsy fun, but probably convinced a couple people. So basically, even though there was nothing really to the product, there was supposed to be a learning outcome. And so Short Circuit doesn't need that. It can be just something we think is cool. We don't have to necessarily do a ton of research and go digging to find all the ins and outs of it. There's no pressure to have the greatest title or thumbnail it's just going to be stuff we feel like is cool we want to cover

and we're not going to do as much prep i have actually re-implemented the time budget system you remember my time budgets not entirely oh okay well you never get to them anyway are they like are they like point systems? No, no, it's just an amount of time. Like I just call it, it's like having a budget in money, but it's in time. Yeah, that's how point systems work. Is it? Okay.

So the time budget for Short Circuit is you've got like 45 minutes of prep as a writer, 30 to 40 minutes to shoot it, and then they've got like three hours. So it's like refined unboxing. It's basic. Where you like know what you're getting into. It's what Lin got like three hours to edit. So it's like refined unboxing. It's basic. Where you like know what you're getting into. It's what Linus Tech Tips used to be. Yeah. Yeah. So you like Google, you bring the product to your desk,

you look it up, you make sure you're not going to say anything super off the wall. Yep. And if you make a mistake, then we just correct it. We've actually already, Lloyd designed a fun little character who's going to pop in and correct us and stuff so like that's cool okay yeah it's just it's just designed to be more casual more fun um it's it's what LTT used to be so back when NCIX Tech Tips was too cumbersome to make enough of them and like to it was such a long lead time that we couldn't hit an embargo with an NCIX Tech Tips video.

We only had a week with the product, and usually I needed a week just to finish my normal work and get a script written up, and so we were always late and stuff like that. So LTT became the quick and dirty, just get it out there channel, and now LTT has sort of become this much more elaborate production, and ShortCircuit is just going to be quick and dirty. Yeah, catch the chase, Short Circuit. Exactly. Exactly.

James came up with the name for it, actually. It's a good name. I like it. I'm surprised it wasn't taken. It was kind of taken, but not by anyone relevant. So we just, like, there was like some podcast that had like four episodes from nine months ago and they hadn't uploaded anything since then. They had like nine subscribers or something. Like it like it's fine okay yeah now it already has a hundred thousand subs right yes so it is the first channel that uh we've ever

started that had a hundred thousand subscribers before we uploaded a video. That exact statement right there, I want to lean on and utilize, and is the actual reason why I brought this up. I'm happy you were able to announce your channels and everything. Oh, okay, so there's an ulterior motive. Yes. Okay, does it have anything to do with you bailing on me tomorrow? I don't want to. I'll figure it out.

I'll figure it out. I want you to build a computer case. Are we going to figure it out, Luke? I want you to build a computer case. Are we gonna figure it out Luke? I want you to build a computer case. Are we gonna figure it out? Because it's Valentine's Day. Out of play buttons. Out of play buttons. That you get from channels that you don't upload content to. So I was working with Jono on this I came up with a base idea and then we grew it. So we're thinking if you name the channels like right side panel one right side panel one right side panel two etc

and then get enough people to subscribe to them you could build a case out of play buttons we could the case the community built I kind of like it it would be awesome it would actually be so cool I think it's one of

my very few ideas that I come up with that actually end up being pretty sweet. Yeah, it's better than pizza warming PC, that's for sure. That got a lot of views. I still want to revisit that concept, but like better than what you did. If a lot of time is taken, it would be awesome. It would be awesome. You would need a pretty significant amount. Well, you just didn't do it the way

that I had anticipated at all. I didn't know. I was given, I think, because it was sitting there as an idea, and then suddenly it was like, okay, you have like six hours or something. And I was like, well... I think I could have done something that made more

sense than six hours. Maybe. Got a lot of views, though. That's true. People were so mad. Like, for over a year, that was, like, the video that people would point at and be like, this channel's gone to hell. And the stupid thing is they'd post, like, this channel's gone to garbage, like, that video. And I'd be like, okay, how about something from the last three months that's garbage? They'd be like, well, that one was bad enough that it doesn't even matter if you've done only good stuff for three months.

One video we upload every day. And it worked. It just sucked in every other way. You know what? Two other videos of yours created a ton of community backlash back in the day but ultimately ended up performing really well what uh how to hide your yeah your materials yeah your materials with a lot of skin showing how's that doing uh great that was it typed literally like that yeah yeah yeah that's what we called the video we went totally non-ad sense safe it's actually a little worse than i thought but yeah 2.1 million views on that one yeah and people were

so mad dislike ratio is even fine now and then the how-to basics how to oh they hated that people were so mad the like dislike ratio is great and there's one comment with a ton of upvotes it's like i don't really get why people are disliking this video i needed to install a graphics card and this was perfect like just two million views just a total noob who came in and like that was exactly what they were looking for but this is what i'm talking about yeah where there's a video we want to make that's a tech but if we were to upload it to ltt it just wouldn't meet the community's expectations. And sometimes that's not a quality expectation. It's just an expectation expectation.

Like, sorry, this video just wasn't for you. It was for someone else. I actually thought that video was pretty good. I thought it was fine. Yeah. It's got like 1.7 million views now. Because people do need to know how to install a graphic card. I'm sorry you already know how.

And we'll upload it somewhere else next time. But yeah, so that's kind of the update over here. Just while we're talking about videos that work unexpectedly well or poorly. Screen melter prank. This literally took probably half an hour from like hey I

could do this to like pushing footage onto the whatever we used at that point in time I think it was a server and 8.6 million views yeah like one of our top performing videos of all time as Linus media group is the melting screen prank she's just soul crush or tear and his look young you are yeah Wow look how young you look yeah like a like a bibbit. Yeah. Like a wee bibbit.

With the Zelda Breath of the Wild concept image as my background. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. Star Citizen poster in the background. Oh, yeah, how'd that work out for you? Well, one of those ended up being a success. Yeah, yeah.

Squadron 41, anyone? Oh, boy. 42? Whatever squadron it is. Who knows? It's over now. Theoretical squadron. Well not really to be honest. Anyways we can move forward. Zach K. This channel's gone to garbage. I know right? We're just gonna make a new one. The new one's gonna rise up from the ashes. Alright we gotta... And you should let me

come back and I'll do Pizza Heater version two and everyone will be so hyped because they'll be Like oh my god. He took all this time to do it properly. It'll just be cardboard again Well, what did you think I was working on I wasn't getting a metalworkers apprenticeship I was building a video streaming site. It's not I still don't know how to do this I do work on computers less now. This is probably worse. Oh, man. Okay. Oh, in other news, Tesla gave back the self-driving that they took away. Now, I still maintain that I didn't like the precedent that this set. And a lot of people, I think,

misunderstood my comments last week when i was talking about this like dystopian future where you don't own your cars and the features are like tied to a personal license so you just get in like what is essentially a blank car and how nice of a sound system you get or like you know whether the self-driving works or whatever else is dependent on like a license key that's embedded in your in your wrist and you just touch a spot on the dash like that that future that i was talking about i'm not jacked for it i like driving excited yeah people thought i was excited they're like minus you're totally you're totally wrong and that's never gonna happen and like you socialists you know just want like i'm like what are you even talking about? It was an expectation. It wasn't excitement.

Or desire. It's gonna happen. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm super sorry. People are like, it's never gonna happen. The horse and cart are gone. There were people that said it was never gonna happen. And it definitely won't happen

in the, it definitely won't happen in the rural communities because you know, they they're going to need gas stations out there, too. Well, turns out they eventually built gas stations there. Like, cars as a service is happening. It's just a matter of when. And the timeline, even Luke and I did not necessarily agree on the timeline. We both agree that it's going to take a long time. And, yes, it Luke and I did not necessarily agree on the timeline. We both agree that it's going to take a long time. And yes, it will take longer to reach different regions.

But what we were really talking about in all of this is the slippery slope that we're on, because neither of us is a huge fan. I actually found out not that long ago about all of the telemetry data that the Chevy Volt sends back to Chevrolet, to General Motors. And the funny thing about it is the Volt doesn't even have any self-driving. I don't even have adaptive cruise control. And yet, apparently, it's sending a ton of telemetry data. And as far as I can tell, it doesn't even use, like, I could see it using things like,

you know, topographical data, like, you know know if i'm going up or down or whatever else to like to make sure that my you know cruise control would maintain the same speed or you know use my uh regenerative braking when i'm going downhill or whatever the case may be but as far as i can tell it's all reactive still instead of being uh instead of anticipating and i know that there are systems that do anticipate so yeah it's just sending a bunch of data so we were talking about this in the context of like, this is a very dangerous, slippery slope that we're on, but it's happening because yes,

you the viewer watching this show with your right to repair and your, you know, value of your personal privacy and all those things, you might resist it but at the end of the day you are a tiny grain of sand on an infinite beach and most consumers will take convenience over security and privacy every single time so we were talking about like what's happening and the concerns that we have not necessarily

because we are fans of it. I mean, if you need the proof of what I'm saying, facebook.com. Do I actually, do I need to say anything else? I actually am not entirely sure where you're going with that. It just exists. But I'm jiving. Okay. And has billions of users.

That's my whole point. Oh, you mean in terms of people giving up their, like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all there is to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were still talking more directly on cars. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just mean, like, this is happening. Yeah, I got you. So, yeah, anyway. I think there will be versions of it starting extremely

soon. I think last show, when we disagreed on time, I was more thinking when it was like ubiquitous oh yeah yeah yeah yeah okay yeah and even when it's ubiquitous there will still be people who own cars of course there will but it will be the exception not the rule um anyway so in other news tesla gave back the self-driving that they removed. So they did that this week. It is unclear, though, at this time.

Tesla has a bit of a policy of just like not talking to press about stuff, which is I should have added that to my list of things that I don't really like about Tesla. So it's not clear if this is new standard operating procedure or if it was just a PR move because people were mad. There's also, I, I, I don't know if this was fact or hearsay or whatnot, but I read something over the weekend that was talking about how it might've just been like a, uh, like purchasing invoicing issue where they like thought the owner and, and like timing with the owner selling the car and it, it made it sound like they meant the new owner and like timing with the owner selling the car and it made it sound like they meant the new owner didn't purchase it, whatever.

But really they just thought the original owner didn't purchase it. It was just like an error in entirety that is now fixed. But I don't know. I have no idea. Yeah, so it's possible the whole thing was just a weird misunderstanding.

But either way. But it could have also not been. At least it generated a good discussion around the idea of licensed features and on the physical items that we buy and how this type of thing could evolve in the future because i have no doubt whatsoever that it absolutely will and nothing would prevent tesla from changing their terms of service now that they've run into this situation to make it so that licensed features are separate from the actual hardware yeah um i don't know necessarily why they would want to do that like if they would want to nerf people's resale value on their cars that seems just destructive

to their users for no reason i don't think they would want to do that right now. But you never know. I don't suspect. You never know what the future holds. And it could apply differently. That was another thing that we talked about while we were going through our sort of dystopian vision for where things are going. It might not apply necessarily to individual users, but I could see them having a very

different service term agreement, like a different service agreement with things like fleets of cars, where someone like a, you know, let's say Tesla did a moving van, you know, like a panel van, and someone like, you know, budget were to buy a whole bunch of them or like U-Haul or something like that had a fleet of Tesla, you know, box trucks. If Tesla were to license them with this autonomous feature, maybe they would make them pay on a monthly basis for the software upkeep that is pretty typical of something like a commercial hardware agreement. So it's pretty normal. Well, it's becoming normal.

Hardware as a service, right? Like Cisco is doing this with a lot of their networking gear. Meraki stuff. Yep. Whether it's... Well, this is cisco themselves as well oh so even things like their routers now come with a uh so you've got that you've got to buy the hardware in the first place and then you also have to sign up for a service agreement and you have to pay on a monthly basis in order to access not just the like certain features but even to have it work at all is my understanding. I remember that was so weird in, I think, 2013 when they first started the Meraki stuff.

And then now I don't think people even bat an eye, really. Now it's becoming the norm because the reality of it is it generates so much revenue for them that as long as you've got a product that you know that your customers are going to need anyway, what you're effectively doing is you're finding a way to monet know that your customers are going to need anyway, what you're effectively doing is you're finding a way to monetize that hardware over and over and over and over again.

You're making so much money that you can dump it back into R&D, which is supposed to be the value of a service agreement, of like a subscription for ongoing software support that it's hard for another competitor to come in and disrupt it. So it's like, it's in some ways Just please don't take this quote out of context. It's in some ways better for everyone because the consumer by paying so much more

Just hold on. I'm going somewhere with this the consumer by paying so much more is ultimately getting More development time back into the hardware that they purchased in a perfect world. Okay, thank you. Awesome. Great. In a perfect world. So in a perfect world, in a perfect world this fleet of Tesla box trucks that U-Haul uses, right? We're talking a hypothetical future situation. In a perfect world, U-Haul is effectively subsidizing Tesla's ongoing development of their autopilot features. And then the consumer, this is another thing that really does happen in the real world,

the consumer gets the cheapo one-time payment version that is also effectively subsidized by these large fleet purchases that have these ongoing service agreements. In a perfect world. And- Reality! That does work out that way sometimes, where the consumer version is subsidized in a perfect world. In reality! No, that does work out that way sometimes,

where the consumer version is subsidized by the enterprise version that has much, much more onerous... The amount of that that goes into subsidizing the consumer version is fairly debatable. The amount of that that just goes into... Hey, shareholders gotta make money, too. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness.

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and we have decided to stick with them for a number of reasons. Number one is that the community was either positive about it or indifferent. There were some that were against it, but it seems like the majority were like, okay, yeah, seems fine, whatever you guys go with, or they were positive about it. Reason number two is that they've made some pretty good moves over the last little while. In fact, this isn't actually in the WAN Show doc today, but they open sourced their Android app just yesterday. So they continue to do good things that increase our confidence in them.

And from discussing this with both PIA folks and CAPE folks, they have a strong commitment to improve their practices, not just at PIA, but also throughout the entire organization. I have seen some people express concern that PIA will take some bad habits from CAPE, but from talking to those guys, CAPE seems to be very interested in PIA and how they've done business while respecting their users' privacy to the greatest extent possible and Are expecting to actually have it go the other way around adopting more of PIAs culture to the rest of their properties Bottom line is I've been using PA for years now

I'm still using PIA So at the end of the day if all it is is an endorsement of what I trust and what I use, I never canceled my PIA subscription. I'm still using it. And what's really cool about our relationship with PIA is that we have no obligation whatsoever to say any talking points at all. You'll notice that I am doing a PIA sponsored spot right now, any talking points at all. You'll notice that I am doing a PIA sponsored spot right now

and I've gone completely off the rails talking about how they were acquired and all this stuff. I have no talking points. They do provide us with selling points of their product, but at the end of the day, if all I wanted to say about PIA is it's great for making sure that if you're gonna download torrents,

your ISP is never gonna send you a letter about the copyrighted material you're downloading. I can do that. A lot of the negativity around VPN sponsorship seems to stem from a couple of videos from a couple of YouTubers I respect a lot, Tom Scott and Lewis Rossman. And the main problem that both of them highlighted, well, problems are a couple of things. One is shilling for products that you don't use or like. In this case, I've been using PIA for years. I like it. So no concerns there. And number two was misrepresenting what VPNs do. So PIA has absolutely no obligations built into our relationship with them for what we have to say about them. And if you look at even some of the dedicated sponsored videos we've done with them, like the one on how to get cheaper prices on flights, that is something a VPN can do for you.

Period. You can save all the money you spent on a multi-year subscription to PIA on a single flight purchase if you play your cards right. And we made a whole video showing you guys how to do it. So. Someone did that for getting to LTX actually. Saved a lot of money.

You told me about that. Yeah. So there it is. We're sticking with PIA. It's lmg.gg slash PIAWAN. We're gonna have that link down below and you can expect to see us continuing to promote it We just wanted to take a very careful approach to this

Because Again there's a lot of You know regardless of what I use and what I like There was a lot of potential for backlash In the community around A non-careful VPN sponsorship And so we wanted to make sure that we were treading lightly

I wanted to hear from them I wanted a commitment from them to how they were gonna handle things moving forward after the cape acquisition I've got all those boxes ticked. So we're gonna go ahead That's it and that's all hopefully they Don't go the way of Blizzard and just completely lose their soul to their parent company But I really hope so too and from talking to both the PIA guys and just completely lose their soul to their parent company. I really hope so too. And from talking to both the PIA guys and the parent company guys,

it seems like that's not the plan. But I know that that rarely is the plan. And just know, guys, that we won't hesitate to drop them if it turns out that it is going to be a problem. And I'm sure the Linus Media Group dudes and ladies will be listening to audience feedback if anything does seem to change. I think from an external point of view,

the open sourcing of their Android app, which I just looked up while you were talking about it, is a really cool move. Yep. I think they're moving in the right direction as far as I can tell. Nick's here for something really exciting. So we have actually, no, he legitimately

has reason to be that excited right now because we have a new pricing structure for our shipping on LTTstore.com. Yes. So let me just give you guys the summary here. I'm just going to bring up

LTTstore.com. We've got USB Type-C shirts, the Stealth hoodie, the hat, the other more different hat, the RAM shirt, the processor shirt. We've got so much stuff. Water bottle. Actually, are any water bottles in stock right now? Regular and Stealth, yes.

Oh, Regular and Stealth are in stock apparently. None of the special colors. Anyway, got lots of good stuff, including underwear. And we've got lower shipping rates than ever before. So in the US, we now have $8.99 flat rate, two to five day shipping. Within Canada, we have $12.99, two to six day shipping. And within the international everywhere else, we have 1599 7 to 14 day shipping. So the biggest change is honestly international. Because within Canada and the US, actually the US is better now as well for a lot of areas.

But international shipping with the old system that we were using was horrible. So going to places like Europe could cost as much as $40-plus. But now, with our new deal, we are able to... And we're trying it out right now. If it turns out that the majority of our international viewers are in the middle of nowhere Mongolia or something like that, and our costs on the shipping end up being a lot higher than we expected, we might have to adjust it because we're setting these flat rates based on what we expect the average to be based on previous orders.

But all of a sudden, a bunch of people in the middle of nowhere might be like, hey, I can afford LTT merch now. My random guess would be that some people that have been holding off will order now. So we're going to wait. What we're going to do is we're going to stick with this for a bit. That's cool. That makes sense. And then see what happens after the wave of orders from people who just

haven't been able to afford their lttstore.com merch is gone. And then we'll take maybe another big sample after that and go, okay, now we can make any necessary adjustments. get your underwear now is what that means we're really darn comfy yeah we are really excited about the new rates

and we're going to keep trying to push the envelope but this is a really good starting point and should be a big improvement for a lot of people the other thing for international is like some places it was 45 days to get there before, and now it's 14. Cool. So, like... That's a pretty big improvement. Yeah, we had people contact... And that was, like, non-tracked. Like, that wasn't even, like, tracked shipping. That was just the cheapest option.

And people would select it because it was the cheapest option. And then they'd message us after, like, a month, be like, yo, where the F is my stuff? And we'd be like, well, you did select camelback shipping. Some of them have an option, to be fair. Okay, in fairness, some of them didn't have an option, but it's just like, trust us, we sent it. Most everything is tracked,

and some international countries will be non-tracked within your country. Oh, I see. They'll be tracked getting from Canada to you, or to your country, and then getting within your country. Oh, I see. It'll be tracked getting from Canada to you. Okay. Or to your country. Country, yeah. And then getting within your country to you is non-tracked.

So we got some free tech tips from some good friends. Do we shout them out? Do we not? I, no. Let's leave it out. Yeah. But we got some good tech tips from some good friends and we hope we have a better system

for international shipping now. And we need you guys to help us stress test it, though. So, lTTstore.com suckas stress test it hard stress test it hard Nick's got a KPI to hit this quarter come on guys let's go

let's go now yeah I know alright thanks more shirts um shirts are not a problem well shirts have been a problem they have been yeah but we're good on shirts within four to six weeks how many shirts do we have like 2 000 shirts coming in uh 20 20 000 yeah oh all right guys buy shirts. All right.

That's what we need. All right. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. LTTstar.com.

So Sony is apparently struggling with the PlayStation 5 price due to costly parts. The original article is from Bloomberg.com. to costly parts. The original article is from Bloomberg.com. Good. And they report that the manufacturing costs for Sony's next PlayStation have reached around $450 per unit. Fantastic. Wow. Why do you think this is fantastic?

This is great. Why is it great? Who is it great for? The last generation of consoles. I don't know if you remember this part in particular, but usually, not usually, in the past, before the last generation of consoles, so chunking back a little bit, consoles were often sold at a little bit of a loss.

Yes, that is true. And then they would try to make up money on peripherals. And licensing. And licensing. And they certainly make back plenty of the money on the peripherals, Nintendo. 90 Canadian dollars for a pro controller is not reasonable. Carry on.

I mean, you need eight of the stupid things to play Smash, okay? Eight times nine. That is $720. That's more than the cost of the console. By a lot. Go on. So, with the most recent generation of consoles,

this was not true. And there are games you can't even play with the pro controller generation of consoles, this was not true. And there are games you can't even play with the Pro Controller, like Mario Party, so you have to go out and get extra Joy-Cons. So you've got a total of 12 different controllers if you want to be able to max out all your different games. Plus, you can only charge the Joy-Cons when they're actually on a Switch, so you better keep a couple extra Joy-Cons on hand just in case a couple of them aren't charged

because they actually take a while to charge. Stonks. Yeah, sorry, go on. Yeah, so with the most recent generation, that was not a thing. Yes. I believe, I'm going back on really old information that was from quite a while ago that I don't remember

and I haven't recently looked up, but I believe average profit per console was around $20. Mm-hmm 20 just not like insane or anything but they went from losing money per console to making money per console i'm not necessarily saying they're going to not make money on this one but i think the performance jump we had the last generation was a little bit disappointing for some people really i think that okay the reason i'm saying that from a pc perspective okay so from a pc perspective not the website but you know um the more hardcore they go with their hardware yeah the better the experience the pc people are going to get yeah but the more like

a pc it's going to be with which is fine what's in it and how much it costs whatever who cares well that's easy for you to say some people struggle to afford a 400 console let alone a 500 console the current generation consoles are great to be completely honest oh okay so hold on a second are you saying that you don't see this as as much of a problem because using a last-generation console like a PlayStation 4 is going to be a far more viable option for much longer? Probably. Okay, that's an interesting take on it. Because current-gen consoles can do a lot. And they've talked a lot about the intercompatibility of the hardware

and therefore the games. Interesting. So you should still be able to be fine and they will probably drop in price so you might be more fine. So tell me this. Would you expect to see Sony or Microsoft either of them employ a strategy

where they launch an exclusive game to their new generation of consoles and then follow it up three or six months later with a version that is backported for their last generation consoles with less graphical fidelity and that runs at a lower resolution.

I could see that. Would you be floored to see that? No, I would not be floored to see that. I would not be too surprised. I would be maybe a little bit surprised from Microsoft Microsoft has has Had some bad splashes and some good splashes lately I think their gaming side of things has been pretty positive with the community

They've done some cool things. They've brought games to multiple platforms. I think their game pass is going quite well It's kind of stuff. I think they're gonna try to multiple platforms I think their Game Pass is going quite well all this kind of stuff I think they're going to try to hold on to that positive communication at least within that segment of their company but I think they could keep that pretty positive they could say like look it's a Playstation 5 game

or it's an Xbox Series X game and it needs more development to optimize it for the older hardware I don't think that would go over too poorly as long as it was coming eventually And it needs more development to optimize it for the older hardware. Yeah, I don't think that would go over too poorly as long as it was coming eventually. Yeah. Like if they set a date, they're like six months, whatever. And we're working on it. And even then, that doesn't seem, yeah, I don't think that would go over too poorly because to me, there's such a huge backlog of amazing games.

So I'm going to pitch something to you. So you're imagining then more of like a rolling upgrade. Well, because, okay, and I want to throw one more point in here for this. They are a lot more like computers. So I could literally see it just being where the previous gen are just cheaper computers. Because literally right now they're pretty darn close. There's a limit to how cheap you can make a computer. So don't expect them to ever... Don't expect a PlayStation 4 to ever be $199.

It has to have a power supply. It's kind of like how hard drives can never get below $40. You have to have the housing and a motor. There's just bare components that you need. You can't do a $50 PlayStation 4. It's not feasible. Just the plastics and the screws and the labor involved in assembling it.

It might get pretty low and you might get really, really, really cost beneficial bundles and things like that. Yes, you might get software thrown in, for example. But that's really interesting. So if we were to see, okay, look, we've got these new generation consoles, but we're going to have games that are available concurrently. I mean, we've seen that before. Oh, yeah.

Zelda Twilight Princess was available for both the Wii and the GameCube, for example. Breath of the Wild was on Wii U. Breath of the Wild was on Wii U and Switch. It actually, it's fairly standard for it to happen at the beginning of a new console's life cycle. But are you just expecting a longer rollover?

I think so. Yeah. I have no idea how long. I have no idea if this is going to be a thing, but I suspect a longer rollover. People are saying PS4 has been $199, but okay, yes, US dollars. Sorry, I was thinking with my Canadian brain for a second right there. And also, that's not particularly sustainable. Just because it's a promo price doesn't mean that's not particularly sustainable just because it's

a promo price doesn't mean that could be a sale something like that yeah um because remember too guys that hardware has also been around for quite a while seven years now like yeah something like that um but yeah my point was just that there is a limit to how low you can go. So anyway, the biggest problems apparently... Oh, go ahead. It was the end of 2013, but it was technically 2013. Okay. The biggest problems are apparently DRAM and NAND, both of which are in high demand from the smartphone market

and their ramp-up to 5th gen devices. From smartphone ramp-up to 5th gen? Okay, I don't know what 5th gen devices is talking about. But it is expected that both DRAM and NAND are going to go up in price this year. Sony's CFO touched on this in an earnings briefing earlier this month, saying we must keep PlayStation 5's bill of materials under our control.

I don't know how they expect to control that. Oh, I need to take this. This is the technician for the UPS that lit on fire in the server room. Do you want to go through the publisher's pullout of NVIDIA GeForce Now while I go let them in? Sure.

Okay, so I'm actually going to just finish off the current one that we're on. They did say that they need to keep the PlayStation 5's bill of materials under our control. I think he just said that. But he also stated that the coronavirus, while it has not yet impacted the PS5's production,

definitely could. And the company has yet to decide how many PS5s they're actually going to produce in the first year, which could affect their costs because buy more materials, you get it cheaper. Sorry. Moving forward to Linus's intro joke to the WAN show publishers pull out of NVIDIA GeForce Now NVIDIA's GeForce Now officially launched last week but several big name companies have pulled out of supporting the platform now it was added to World of Warcraft's terms of service a while ago that you can't play games through you can't play WoW through this type of a service.

I know that because I was trying to figure out why the heck I was banned, and that wasn't it, obviously, but I saw this coming. It does obviously reduce the attractiveness of the platform because Blizzard, Capcom, EA, Konami, Remedy, Rockstar, Square Enix Games have all bailed out apparently um and they they it's not it's so you can play games that you own on another platform through geforce now so they are like

disallowing that to happen um which i i really don't think nvidia would go against so they they should be blocking it and nvidia rep said uh we hope to work together with activision blizzard to re-enable these games and more in the future you shouldn't expect activision uh this is an inserted part of the quote activision blizzard games to magically reappear after a few days uh or even a few weeks so no time soon but potentially in the future nvidia didn't want to discuss revenue sharing deals it may or may not have with publishers. But of course, these decisions will have been made by publishers with an eye on the dollar. This whole thing is rather odd. I haven't seen GeForce Now having the hugest audience, at least in the short term. So I think this is kind of one of those things where all these companies stepped back, but haven't seen GeForce now having the hugest audience at least in the short term so I think this is kind of one of those things where all these companies stepped back but haven't closed communication

and they probably just want a piece of the pie um it's interesting because you already own the game or pay for the game actively uh but now you're paying a different service to be able to play the game elsewhere and those companies probably want to cut of that even though you've already bought the game it's just it's a it's a funky funky space right now uh elon musk starlink plan approved for australia the australian communications and media authority or acma acma is the latest agency to approve elon musk plan to to send hundreds, in this case, of satellites into space to deliver internet connections across the globe. The satellites won't require geostationary orbits. We've talked about this before because of the sheer scale of the deployment,

so they can be much closer to the ground than traditional satellites. As close as 1,105th the altitude of traditional geostationary orbits. We've talked about Starlink multiple times on the show before. You need such agency approval in order to install the client-side receivers at your house. Okay, that makes sense. The plan will cost roughly $10 billion U.S. dollars or more to complete.

But this is about one-fifth of the cost of Australia's homegrown national broadband network, which sucks. Australian internet is terrible. Every time I bring this up on the WAN show, I get at least one person being like, I live in Australia, and I have a pretty good internet connection. But it's bad, man. I'm sorry for you.

Your internet connection probably sucks, or you pay way too much for it. It's so bad. We try to get float into australia and it's just horrible we've had to do it's it's so much better now it's way way way better now because of like things we've done and partnerships we've made and like tons of work that's gone into it um but like when we were first starting off it was so hard to get floatplane video like like, high-quality, good bandwidth into Australia. And, like, there's a bunch of Australians that were on the Linus Tech Tips forum team. I'm just talking to them about their issues with their internet. It felt like you just went 10 to 15 years in the past.

Like, it's so rough. So it's cool that hopefully they can try to alleviate these issues. And I understand there's like reasonable situations that got them to there. Like, I don't know. But I also know people that live in New Zealand and they have way better internet. So I don't know, man. It just, it sucks. I feel bad for you.

So hopefully this helps in any way at all. Latency, while worse than hardwired internet, so yeah It's still better than geostationary satellite connections 25 to 35 milliseconds for Starlink rather than 600 milliseconds Or even the theoretical best of 477 milliseconds, so this will more help People that live outside of like Sydney like people. Like, people that live, like, way out there. Australia is actually gigantic. If you, like, scale it, if you move it on one of those maps that, like, scales it properly to other places on the planet, it's huge. And plenty of people live not in those very centralized cities.

So it's good. It's good. Excited about that. Hopefully it helps some people there get better, more stable, faster internet. We already talked about Tesla giving back the self-driving thing. There isn't a ton of news here. As we

talked earlier, they don't do a ton of public-facing stuff. Unless it's like the Elon himself. Essential Phone is essentially dead. Essential has announced its closure after just five years of business. They released the Essential Phone.

They were working on a handset called Gem, but there is apparently no clear path forward to deliver it which is a little rough the essential phone is going to be the last and only thing they've really done it will no longer receive any official updates but essential has released its software on github we have a link to it now apparently it has already happened so developers can keep hacking, which is actually very cool, I guess. Sad that they're gone, but that's a nice way to exit if they're going to have to exit. Give me one quick second. Okay, sorry, we're good.

Do-do-do-do-do. Sorry, I'm just flying through topics because there's no back and forth discussion. Steam Labs Experiment 008. This is actually pretty cool. Uses machine learning to help decide what to play next. It chooses three games based on what you already own and presents you with micro trailers for each If you don't like your options, you can reroll for a new selection assuming you have enough games in your inventory And I love how they have to give you trailers for games in your inventory because I think a lot of people are in a situation Like me, I think I have close to like

450 something games on on Steam and a huge portion of that is just Humble bundle stuff that I have never launched and have had for so long So I think it's actually pretty cool that they have something like this coming I'm gonna open the link for it and try to get it on screen in a moment You have to sign in to see it. Our server room is just super cramped. I'm just gonna hang up the light for him so he can see the... he needs to get to the back of the UPS, which is like, not trivial. Yeah, that's not gonna be great. It's a good thing he's not as tall as you. I can smell that. Oh, yeah, when the doors open, like it was on fire. Yeah.

Jeez. I'm just surprised it's still so pungent. Jeez, I'm just surprised it's still so pungent. Oh yeah. Okay, so for the actual Steam page you had to be logged in. So I found it on the Verge. Just give me a quick second. I'm hoping there's a screenshot or something. But I just see ads. I see so many ads. It's still loading.

There's a, I don't know some jeep or something more ads more ads more ads oh that's it that's the whole okay uh we're gonna leave again let me see if i can find a different article i'm hoping someone has a screenshot. Maybe they've just only talked about it so far. Jeez. I like the concept, though. I would like to be able to... Okay, so that's all you really get to see. That makes sense.

So it's just a post about the article. Recommended games to play next. There we go. That's what I wanted to see Show in library tags on it, okay not too crazy, but I like the concept because sometimes you can look at a steam library of Hundreds of games many of which you've never played before and be like I have nothing to play I have nothing to do so it's cool that it kind of

I have nothing to play I have nothing to do so it's cool that it kind of Siphons all of that down to three and just goes like pick one of these and you can reroll it if you really want to That might actually get me to play some of those games which is cool action jump I'm back So nice what we're talking about? I went through a lot of them. Cool. So, why don't I give an update on what's happening with our burning server room? Sure.

Okay, cool. So, basically, what happened was, I'm not going to name any names, but it was one of our camera operators who's been with us for a very long time. He already messaged me. He apologized, and he had no way of knowing. So, he accidentally plugged a very high wattage filming light how high wattage a thousand watts um i already knew that it just sounds cool yeah into so i have an extension cord that runs out of the server room and then it's just coiled on a hook on the wall right outside the server room and the reason that that's there

is because it's meant to be um in the event of a power outage it's meant to be a quick and fast way without going and finding the key and unlocking the server room to get power to something in an emergency like emergency like whoever's working on today's video plug your workstation into this before your at your desk ups dies so that you can get today's video out so we can everyone else can go home we'll regroup tomorrow we'll come back to the office like this has happened so we've got both a network cable that's plugged directly into the switch cool and a power cable that's plugged directly into the ups there for such situations we've also most important machine exactly we've also used the power cord for situations like,

remember in Scrapyard Wars 3? The one with Austin. Two? Dirty power? Yeah. Okay. So we've also used it in situations where like a lower quality computer power supply

might have computer stability issues running off our admittedly not great power here in the building. If we plug it directly into the UPS, we've actually gotten more stable overclocking, for example. So it's just, it's handy to have it. They plugged a light into it because we had an HVAC technician coming to look at one of our AC units in the server room, which was leaking, and he needed a light. So they plugged in this 1,000-watt watt filming light and it started arcing and smoking oh okay so what happened at that point was everything shut down because the ups was arcing um and i pulled all the units out and i realized the power units so

it has four power units so that's a total of 1,200 kilovolt amps, or however they rate them. Yeah, 12,000 volt amps, I think. Yeah, so did I say 12,000 kilovolt amps? Sorry, no, 12,000 volt amps. So that's how we have ours configured. This one can go up to 18,000, so you can do six power modules.

And then it also has the rest of the bays filled up with battery modules. So I had some people on Twitter suggest that the batteries were old and that caused the problem but the batteries were not the issue. Yeah we should probably replace our batteries it has been about three and a half years four years and lead-acid batteries do have a limited shelf life so yeah it's probably time to replace those batteries but that was not the problem. So I pulled out the power modules and I realized one of them smelled of burnt electronics. So I thought, okay, maybe we fried one of the power modules by just sucking a thousand

watts from it suddenly, unexpectedly. Now that still shouldn't happen. Overcurrent protection should still, like this is is literally it was either 17 or 19 000 canadian dollars that we paid for this ups i would still expect it to have basic protections on it that would prevent an overcurrent event from causing it to light on fire or spark or whatever the case may be so anyway i pulled that power module out and i went well we're still well below the remaining 9,000 volt amps of capacity that these three power modules remaining none of them smelled would have so

let's give it a shot let's fire it back up I fired it back up and it started sparking in the back of the cabinet so I wasn't that close to it the first time it was sparking I was like upstairs people came running to get me um So this time I was right there, and I could tell that the arcing was coming from the back of the cabinet rather than the power modules that were inserted. And I hit the main cutoff, so we actually have a 208-volt input that goes in, and then the UPS is hardwired into that,

so I hit the main cutoff for it. And then it kept sizzling and, well, the sound of fire, basically. So when I say crackling, I don't mean spark crackling. I mean like bubbling plastic. Oh, boy, okay. So my expectation now is that this unit is super fried. And before any of this happened, the front of the unit was still reading just like okay so that was what led me to believe that it might be okay to so turn it back on after you pulled one out yes and that was like

burning it still said okay it's oh yeah it still said okay so I powered it back up with the three with the three modules instead of with the four. And it actually ran for, like, tens of minutes. Okay. Like, everyone got back to work. And then you were still in there? I happened to be here again. Oh, man. When it went.

And so it was on fire for some period of time, seconds. Like, I had long enough to go get the fire extinguisher that is right outside that room and stand there, like, really didn't want to unload it in the server room if I could avoid it in any way. So I'm, like, standing there with this fire extinguisher. Please, please let me not have to use this. Because, like, you can't just blow on it.

Like, it's electrical fire, potentially. Mind you, I've already cut the electricity, so I don't know if the rules change at that point, but... Genuinely not sure. Either way, I did not want to press the button in the server. I fortunately didn't have to. It went out on its own. But my take on this is I am out of warranty.

So I've been totally upfront with Eaton about what the situation is. I didn't buy an extended service plan or anything like that. But there's like... So on the one hand, I am out of warranty. On the other hand, under no circumstances should a product designed for power protection light on fire. So after that fire, I actually did... Or while it was...

Sorry, while it was arcingcing before I had gotten the fire extinguisher I managed to read some gibberish off of the display on the front so that was the first time it ever actually knew anything was wrong when it was literally on fire and it didn't know anything was wrong I don't think I think it was just spitting random like it was like random special characters going across the screen on the front. So, basically, my thing with them has been like, look. Klytus, help me. Look, I know I'm out of warranty, but also, this thing failed in such a

spectacular, dangerous way. Catastrophic burn-the-building failure is like a little bit of a special case, I think. So, anyway, to their credit, this happened yesterday afternoon, and they have a technician here right now in our very cramped and uncomfortable server room. Oh, he's like from Eaton.

Yeah. So we have an Eaton technician here in the building. So, I mean, really, I don't define a company's quality based on necessarily the performance of one individual product. We don't have a data center full of Eaton power equipment. We have one unit. We have a sample size of literally one. So really it's gonna come down to how they deal with this. And on the one hand, yeah, I'm me,

and you might think I would get special attention. And from someone like a consumer electronics brand, that is quite often the case. But I really don't think these guys knew me from adam so um we're gonna see how it goes it does seem as though they are taking it seriously just from a this thing should not have been on fire perspective and we need to know what happened i think that's fair i think that's fair um there's a difference between like a warranty on your car and your car just randomly exploding. And the technician is not here to fix it. He has no capability to fix it right now.

He's here to determine exactly what could have possibly happened for this to occur. Oh, that's not him. Do you think it, like, I don't think you could fix it. This is like a replace situation, right? Depends. I mean, this is a fairly modular and serviceable product. So like the housing might be okay. Yeah, but I think that they would probably end up replacing significant internal components.

And if they ultimately came to me and were like, okay, look, you're out of warranty, but we can offer you a deal on a refurbishment of this unit or something. That would be fine. Honestly, it would be kind of preferable to me because I don't know if you remember this, but in order to get that unit in there, we actually used to have an opening in the wall. We would have to rip open the wall in order to get it out or another one in. I hate our server room so much. People are like...

But, hold on, great vlog content. Oh, man. Tons of views. I don't even room so much. People are like... But, hold on. Yeah. Great vlog content. Oh, man. Tons of views. I don't even know if I could handle it. Great views. I'd just rather not have a camera pointed at that whole situation. Guy's looking for you. Oh, okay. Yep. BRB. Yep. I think

he should just rip the wall down anyways. That's my theory, to be honest. Also, I saw tons of people in chat calling out for Firepole. I agree. That would probably stop that from happening again, for sure. That's how science works. I honestly don't have a ton of content left. We're slightly over show duration at this point,

and I blew through a ton of the more boring topics i can go into puerto rico's government fished out of tube fish with a ph out of 2.6 million dollars i don't know if that is being registered in u.s dollars yes it is okay 2.6 million u.s dollars in a fishing operation industrial development companies what a name uh finance director don't know how to say your name but i'm going to say his last name uh rivera says the government agency transferred the money on january 17th after receiving an email that alleged a change to a banking account tied to remittance payments okay this seems like it may have been a targeted spearfishing attack. Executive Director Manuel Laboy, oh man I hope I didn't say that wrong,

declined to say how officials learned about the scam or whether anyone has been dismissed as a result. And I have no real details outside of that. So it sucks that Puerto Rico got fished for so much freaking money. It's always kind of epic in a way when governments have stuff like fishing happen to them because it's interesting because you always kind of hope, I guess. I was going to say expect and then I was like modern year. You always hope that they have, like, tighter locks on things like that, but apparently sometimes $2.6 million just gets sent where it's not supposed to be.

So who knows? Backblaze hard drive stats for 2019 have been released. These have been very controversial over the years, so it's you know it's interesting but take it with a little bit of a grain of salt. They have a little bit of an interesting use case which is probably not what you're doing but it's it's interesting regardless. Let me jump over. Okay. whoop okay

annualized failure rate none of those look way too insane but you can definitely see some outliers and i believe this was detailed in our document as well there is something to be said here for the actual amount of drives so i wouldn't pay way too much attention to purely the just failures column. Some kind of interesting stuff is that like this one had zero but there's also only 99 of them so you kind of have to weigh and balance that stuff properly. Oh my. The one that had, sorry I'm a little sick, the one that had over a thousand failures also had like over 37,004 drives, which is pretty fantastic. But it was a failure count of 3.32%, which is a little higher than I would hope. But I believe they addressed this directly.

Yeah, the Seagate 12TB ST-12000NM0007 are experiencing double the AFR of every other drive type, but Seagate's own 4TB similar drive. Backblaze previously reported on these failures and began aggressively moving to the 12000 series, the 12,000 series, 12,000 NM008 model that fixed the issue after working with Seagate to identify the root cause. I do wonder sometimes, like, on the consumer side of things, it's really hard to tell because most consumers aren't going to report failures.

And even if they do report failures, you're going to have really bad sample sizes and all that kind of stuff. You do internal testing, you do what you can. But when it comes down to massive companies, and especially a company like Backblaze, who is going to be publicly posting these numbers, I suspect that's where you get a lot of your work done on improving stuff like failure rates. So that's cool. Annualized failure rate, That's cool. Annualized failure rate, or the acronym I said previously, AFR, for 2019 has increased sharply across 75% of the models in use, which this is one of the things that I said, like, sometimes backblazing numbers are scrutinized quite heavily,

because why would 75% of the models all have sharply increasing AFRs? Who knows? Maybe something else was going on. Maybe there's temperature changes in the data center. I have no idea. I can make no claims, but they're very interesting numbers to look into. I actually enjoy it quite a lot, but just take it with a little bit of a grain of salt.

It is not the same scenario your computer will be in back at home. Holy flippy phones, Batman. Motorola and Samsung both released folding phones this week. They're basically the same size. What do you guys think about flip phones? I'm going to take a moment to do a straw poll, and then I'm probably just going to end the stream.

Because I actually want to go see what's going on over there. So I'm going to talk about flipping phones. And what I mean by that is if it like flips in a vertical, if it flips on the X axis and then folding phones, if they flip on the Y axis. So I'm going to just say regular phones, flipping phones or folding phones. Which one do you like the most? Most flipping phones, folding phones, and standard phones. Improve spam prevention, even though people will find a way.

Okay, I'm posting this in floatplane first, because I love you guys. Then Twitch, because, you know, OG Wancho stuff. And then YouTube, because I didn't actually have your link up and I don't know why. I think I like foldy phones. There's also sliders that are becoming more popular these days which is kind of interesting.

Sorry, my voice is kind of taken off right now. I think I've been talking for a little bit too long despite being sick. Okay, results. Let's check into it. We're not going to leave a ton of time for this. We're going to see those results come in live. Standard phones is 65% of the audience, but at fairly even amounts 18 19 percent fluctuating folding phones and flipping phones are holding roughly the same amount of the audience Oh

folding phones are starting to take over yeah I'm not too surprised so just in case someone missed that explainer basically this would be a standard phone if this phone folded in half like down this way that would be a standard phone. If this phone folded in half, like down this way, that would be a flipping phone. If this phone folded in half, kind of this way, like a book, that would be a folding phone. I lost track of it myself for a second. But I'm not, yeah, I'm not too surprised by these results. There's actually more people into folding and flipping phones than i personally expected but i think that's kind of cool because differentiation in that market is is fantastic um i would probably have to go with standard or folding phones i actually really used to like old slider phones just because they were extremely satisfying to use not because i would

want to use one long term and not because I would want to use one with modern apps and things like that but yeah one sec Linus I'm gonna end the show he's gone anyways thanks for tuning in this week uh maybe I'll do super chats how do I do that here we go I'm gonna do super chats. I actually remembered it was close. Someone said Dennis, please be my Valentine, but he spelled Dennis wrong. So I don't know, man. Did you do that previously? Okay, I can't answer that question. Please keep the server videos coming. Love them. I'm sure they will. I'm sure there will be a follow-up to the the

Battery backup on fire thing. Free Google money. Thank you very much Where do you see virtual reality in one five or ten years? Do you think there will be a hard limit on the no on the capabilities of the technology from J. Trudeau? Which is I'm assuming not our prime minister. Um, virtual reality in one year, I would see heightened adoption, but no extremely major changes in my opinion. Five years, I would see some amount of major changes, probably lighter weight, smaller headsets, probably definitely increased adoption rates. I think it was like two years ago-ish that I said I think we were five years out

from it being a more acceptable thing for the average consumer. So hopefully if my time is right, we've got about three more years, but we'll see. And then in 10 years, I think it will be kind of a hybrid of virtual and um oh man what is it called virtual and augmented reality i think the headsets will be significantly smaller if they're not just glasses there might be more i mean 10 years from now that might not be far enough but stuff like like Neuralink, or Neuralink, whatever Elon Musk's thing is, could tie into this stuff to make much more interesting setups, but that might be more than 10 years out.

I don't know. May I request the next tech link you host, Linus? You call the QuickBits the HebeDebes. HebelDebels. I have no idea. He's not going to see this, I think, so probably not. Can we get some sweet LTT athletic wear? I suspect that might be coming down the line eventually,

but I literally know nothing. So I'm not sure. Sub to LTT's short circuit or don't. I'm a super chat, not your Valentine's date. Good call. But you could subscribe. You could do that right now if you wanted to. Congrats on the new channel.

Thank you. Love you dudes. Happy Valentine's Day. Thank you very much. Linus, I'm a weirdo too and have a vr slash htpc in the living room what keyboard slash remote do you use i've seen that little thing in your vids i don't that's not what he uses at home i don't know what he uses at home but that is not it i don't believe um Just got my 10 mil shirt. You all rock. With Channel Superfun back. When is the next big prank?

Oh, jeez. We'll probably have to see how well Channel Superfun does. You should melt down a play button and use it in the PC and make another sketchy heatsink. That's awesome. Hold on. Oh, you guys can see my thing. Let's do that.

Is there anything funky on the start menu? No, we're good. Okay, sounds cool. Moving on. Heatsink from Playbutton. I wonder how many things they could make out of Playbuttons. And get Alex in on this. He's probably going to be like, nothing other than the heatsink.

Because it's a stupid idea. But, whatever. That's fine. I'll try. I really enjoyed the pizza warming case video. Thanks, man. Thank you, Austin Tanner. Partner with Michael Reese for your channel's super fund.

That would be epic. He's awesome. If someone has an idea for an episode, how could they get in contact with someone to share that information? There's lots of Twitter accounts for people at the company. Almost everyone has a public Twitter account. You just tweet them. Or there's a few different emails that are pretty easy to find. Fun fact, the Cybertruck would be illegal anywhere that isn't USA because of pedestrian safety regulations not being followed in the design okay uh what are the odds of future accounting position one random fun fact about that there

are cars that are on the road in countries that would be illegal if that car was modified into that state by the owner but because it was pre-approved by the country for the manufacturer it is able to be sold in its current state so who knows maybe the country will just be like yeah that's fine bring back the matching shirts that wasn't a high five it was a try five yeah I wasn't really sure what he was going for, to be honest. So I just slapped it. Linus, when are you going to be on Hot Ones?

I don't know. Possibly never. Nope, this person's not here for me. Okay. I'm just going through a bunch of these. Are the mousepads coming along for the LTT store? I know literally no LTT store things, but I know the one that we have that's an LTT mousepad is pretty sweet. I have literally no information for you. I am so sorry.

I'm just finishing off Super Chat. Okay, cool. I have a very small update for the people. Okay. It's dead. All right. So it would be full replacement super dead um so here i actually have a great picture he he did manage to get at the back of it because he's some kind of ninja um hold on a second you're gonna refocus you should refocus i will i will refocus uh okay so uh here hold on is this my focus wheel where's my focus wheel at yeah yes there it is

oh beautiful look at that oh oh yeah so you think that this is a dark picture um and it might be a bit of a dark picture but that's not the main issue the main issue is just that The main issue is just that this thing is fried. Oh, boy. So that's where the fire was. Yeah, I think that's pretty self-explanatory, actually. Yeah. Giant dark spot on green PCB. Yeah.

I'm having a hard time getting the focus just right here. Hopefully that's good enough to close out the show. yeah so they're gonna get back to me on Monday with what they can or cannot do for me and yeah hopefully he says usually that kind of an issue is caused by a loose connection and he thought it looked like there was no nut on this connector but i think it was just because he was looking at the shot and it wasn't uh bright enough well that one looks like there's no oh no that one has no wire going to it yeah so this one there's different ways to hook it up depending on whether you have single or three phase power and what the input voltage is and stuff like that if i recall correctly so not necessarily every one of these i believe they're called bus lines. Not every one of them would have a connector on it,

but I showed them, no, there is definitely a nut on there and it looks like a washer as well. So, hard to say what's causing the arcane. Would that be a VEM installation issue or a U installation issue? Well, we had it installed, but we had it installed professionally. We didn't do it ourselves.

Okay, okay. Is there a warranty on that service? If there is, we would be past it installed professionally. We didn't do it ourselves. Okay. Is there a warranty on that service? If there is we would be past it. Okay, cuz it's been like three and a half years one last super chat I'm 15 just bought a server. What should I do with it? Plex File server safe place to store your files Minecraft own cloud Okay, honestly Minecraft could be a good one and all of those. Thanks for tuning in guys. See you again next week Same bad time same bad channel.

Bye! Thanks for closing out the show for me. Yeah. I kind of had to deal with that. We were like super out of time. That whole time. Well, I kind of wasn't expecting you to keep going, actually. I thought you would just close it down.

I tried to yell at you and be like, I'm going to end the show. All I was in server room. I know. Yeah, I couldn't hear you. It's fine. No, it's okay. I did a Yeah, I couldn't hear you. Oh. It's fine. No, it's good. Well, I did a straw poll on what people liked the most.

Standard phones, old phones, living phones. And you actually didn't lose any live viewers. Like, there's still, like, 1,200 people watching. That's cool. I'm happy, because it was probably super boring. You don't really have to go, though, because I know that we don't celebrate Valentine's Day, but...