The WAN Show - Hey Luke Do You Wanna See Something Weird? - WAN Show January 6, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:50 All right. Very interesting. Interesting choice. And different strategies. Yeah. Also, hey, Luke. Hey. Do you want to see some really weird stuff?

Starting point is 00:00:58 Yeah. Because I have got some displays to show you. Don't look at them yet. We'll look at them later. What else we got today? Wizards of the Coast are being just jerks. That's all the info I'm going to give you. Yeah, they're actual

Starting point is 00:01:13 butthead wizards now. Yeah. Yeah, they're not welcome on our coast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what else? I told myself I was going to pick one early, but I actually didn't do it. If he complains about the topics today.

Starting point is 00:01:29 Oh, perfect. It'll be on me because unlike most WAN shows, I actually handpicked all the topics today. So come at me. Come at me. No, no, no. Microsoft asked ChatGPT, how do I fix Bing and Windows search?

Starting point is 00:01:42 Ooh, interesting. I wonder what the answer was. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic today hey luke look at these weird displays okay you're not don't don't look at anything stop stop just stop okay okay all right plenty of high resolution and high refresh rate monitors were unveiled at ces this year but i want to show Luke the monitor technologies that require a little more justification than big and sharp and high refresh rate. We are going to have him play a little game where he tries to come up with some potential use case for any of this. Okay.

Starting point is 00:02:42 Do you think you can do it? Are you ready? Yeah, I actually think I can. I don't know what any of the monitors are, but I'm sure I can think of this. Okay. Do you think you can do it? Are you ready? Yeah, I actually think I can. I don't know what any of the monitors are, but I'm sure I can think of something. We're going to start here. I'm just going to fire up my laptop sharing thing here. There you go. It's up there.

Starting point is 00:02:55 We're going to start with Asus Spatial Vision. That's right. This is a laptop with the world's first glasses-free 3D OLED technology. The way it works is it actually has a camera on the front of the laptop, on the bezel, that looks at where your eyes are, so rather I should say stereo cameras, that look at where your eyes are and automatically readjusts the alignment of the image, your eyes are and automatically readjusts the alignment of the image which achieves stereo separation by splitting up every vertical line so every other line is a right eye image and every

Starting point is 00:03:33 other line is a left eye image and um you do not need 3d glasses i think this one's pretty easy i mean there's lots of like 3D content. Is there? Okay. Is there though? I might have to qualify a lot. Are you sure that the year is not 2014? There's lots of old ones. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:54 They made a bunch of old ones for a very short period of time. And maybe you haven't watched any of them because it was horrible back then and very not accessible back then. And now you can buy a specific laptop just to be able to see that are you sure that nvidia even makes a stereo 3d driver anymore oh that's interesting but there's got to be other ways i'm sure if it's it's a laptop right so i'm sure whatever they are powering the laptop with is able to display it okay what would you do with it i don't want it i do nothing with it i have no personal use case for this at all this is stupid there's no way i would buy that no question all right after luke gives his answer i'm gonna give the

Starting point is 00:04:38 real answer so i'm assuming it has something to do with like architectural stuff. There are apparently 2D to 3D layers that you can apply to games to the point where you can play games that were not developed for stereoscopic 3D. In stereo 3D, it adds another camera view somehow. What games? Apparently modern ones. I have not tried it. This does not sound like it's going to be every game. I have not personally tried it, sir.

Starting point is 00:05:06 Sir, I'm going to have to ask you, sir. Sir. I wouldn't try this with multiplayer games. You're probably going to get banned. Okay, but more realistically, professional applications where your boss comes to your desk, this is an alternative to throwing on a VR headset.

Starting point is 00:05:22 Yeah. So, theoretically, I think, ooh, don't quote me on this. No, it obviously wouldn't be able to track two people at once. Okay, I don't know. Just ignore it. But the point is, if someone was at your desk, you could show them and manipulate a model. Build a side, whatever. And it could

Starting point is 00:05:38 pop out or go behind the screen and they could really get a better sense of the scale. Like, say, for example. Why is it a laptop? Just, can you just help me out here, okay? Well, I guess the architectural thing, right? And I think that's kind of the direction that you're talking about right now. So, okay, yeah, professional, whatever.

Starting point is 00:05:57 Sure. But then, like, literally the scenario that you're describing, there is zero benefit to it being a laptop. So anyway, during the development of the screwdriver say for example if alex could have modeled out at life size you know different handle shapes or something like that that might have been pretty cool sure that's that's the real answer yeah all right are you ready for number two sure the lenovo think plus twist twist okay thinkbook plus reinvents rotating design form factor that's

Starting point is 00:06:33 right my friends this guy has a high resolution oled panel on one side and an e-ink display on the other side wow that sounds like a lot of easily damaged things that are hard to protect um what is this for yeah whoa saving battery life if you're doing uh simple tasks that that involve only like text editing or writing emails or something. Ooh, I like it. Because I'm assuming you can full turn off the other side, right? I believe you can, yes. Yeah. It comes with a pen that supports both displays. That's kind of cool.

Starting point is 00:07:17 I think the main one, though, that they were focused on was like using it as an E-Ink tablet, as like a reader. Yeah. that they were focused on was like using it as an e-ink tablet as like a reader yeah which you would only do really if you want to save battery life it also sounds like a very heavy e-reader yes i don't know yeah okay yes next um okay uh game 927 in uh in twitch chat says i owned the original twist and it was extremely unreliable okay fair enough uh all right next up oh this is good we've got a tv it's a 4k tv okay it's oled it's 4k yeah yeah 4k lots of case tv with 4k 4ks 4ks it's o. It's 4K? Yeah, yeah. 4K. Lots of Ks. New TV with 4K. 4Ks. 4Ks.

Starting point is 00:08:07 It's OLED. It's brighter than last gen OLED. Okay. It's 97 inches. That's a lot. Which is a lot of inches. But the big wow factor feature of this display is that it is wireless. Hold on.

Starting point is 00:08:30 Do you know... Wait, like entirely? Do you know the Samsung One Connect box? No. Okay, basically Samsung has this super slim cable that you can wire up your wall and that carries power and display and then this box that you can have in your media and that carries power and display and then this box that

Starting point is 00:08:45 you can have in your media console that has all your hdmi inputs and you know your optical connection you know ethernet whatever whatever else yeah so it's called the one connect box well lg is take kicking that up a notch with the zero connect how do they deliver power it okay why why you got to be an asshole well i'm just you're saying it's it's cableless okay the box the zero connect box wirelessly transmits 120 hertz 4k video with they apparently haven't measured it very low latency they haven't measured it. That is complete crap. There is no way they haven't measured it. I actually, I would, I don't make bets. I guarantee

Starting point is 00:09:30 you they have measured it. There is no possibility where they have not measured it. I'm sure they just don't want to report it. It supports G-Sync. That's cool. Okay. How does it receive power? From the wall. What the heck?

Starting point is 00:09:50 I don't if you're sending one k i can understand okay i'm sending one cable that's a lot better than like 15 if you're talking about like a computer or something sending one cable compared to two is not a problem i actually don't care about the don't forget that the samsung one connect is one cable oh that's way worse for this okay one justification i will give you the one possible justification a this is part of their signature line i don't think they expect to sell a ton of them i hope not and b don't be a dick they might want to measure that latency first before they do that. And B, okay, a potential use case for this. This could be the actual viable version of the video we did earlier this week with the wireless GPU.

Starting point is 00:10:35 Wireless GPU, yeah. So you can have, it's a 97-inch TV. That is basically like theater size. And if you could have your connection box in a cabinet on the side of the room or at the back of the room or whatever and all your consoles and all your other crap is over there and all you need is power it could make for a very clean install but you can afford a theater room and a signature tv so you can probably afford a drywaller to like just run one of the cables

Starting point is 00:11:05 cut a hole in the wall and embed a cable in the wall I will say for this one I will give them a prop it's a cool like progression of technology it just doesn't matter because you're still sending a power cable yes but it could matter in the future in some other

Starting point is 00:11:22 device or once if they figure out like high whatever wireless power, etc. Sure. High wattage. Alright, I got another one for you. This is the Lenovo Yoga Book 9i.

Starting point is 00:11:38 Okay. I like yoga books. That's it. That's it. Wow. How does that not flip over does it have a stand in the back it does have an included kickstand is it like big I mean I guess

Starting point is 00:11:55 I can't even see oh no that's here we go wow okay interesting wow it can go into a lot so does it do the how does this work does this oh because this fell asleep that happens is that you yeah way to go oh if my laptop screen turns off,

Starting point is 00:12:25 the HDMI stops grabbing the audio, so it starts outputting through the speaker. Got it. Solved. I'm having a hard time understanding how it works. Do the screens come off? The keyboard definitely comes off. Okay, yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:39 So that's how you get into the other configurations. So the keyboard just sits on the bottom screen. It's two screens that clamshell together. Yeah. So you can into the other so so the keyboard just like sits on the bottom screen it's two screens that clamshell together yeah yeah so you can put the keyboard here and use some screen as like a wrist rest okay so to to like move the laptop around like i want to throw it in my bag yes you close the screens together yes the keyboard is off you put the whole like two-piece unit into your bag and then move. I don't hate it. I didn't ask if you hate it.

Starting point is 00:13:09 I asked what you would use it for. There's definite use cases for a dual-screen laptop. Sure. I don't know. I don't think that's even worth going through all of them. There's lots of things that you could use two screens for. Okay. Some of the configurations were a little funny.

Starting point is 00:13:21 I think that one where you have them both vertical. I didn't really see something in any of the product photos that's going to hold that up. I see a lot of flipped yoga laptops just flopping all over the place. But when they had them both, like the format was in portrait, they had them both like that.

Starting point is 00:13:40 That actually kind of made more sense to me. That's pretty cool. I could see that being pretty cool for like development or something like that. I could see this being like an actual thing that people actually kind of made more sense to me that's pretty cool i could see that being pretty cool for like development or something like that i could see this being like an actual thing that people actually buy all right you ready for the next one yes there were a lot of wild display concepts at ces this year it's fun when they do that i should say there are ces is still on flex hybrid flex hybrid Hybrid. What's going on here?

Starting point is 00:14:13 Is this a phone? What is it? What is it supposed to? Is it a tablet? You tell me, Luke. I don't know. It looks like it's supposed to be a phone. Like the camera in the corner looks like a phone camera.

Starting point is 00:14:31 Okay, do you want to see it again? Do you want to see it again? Yeah, yeah. Okay, here we go. Here we go. We'll see it again. Like that looked like a phone thing. Why?

Starting point is 00:14:44 But look, there's all the styles over here sure no one's ever going to make specific apps for this by the way whoever came up with that okay so it's the same as like your phone but it's really big and also you can make it really bigger um again this feels like cool technology but i don't think that device itself matters if that makes sense and we've seen all of that before we've seen like where it kind of rolls out more screen when you pull on it i don't think we've seen them together correct i don't think we have i'm just saying the individual pieces we have seen before. Oh, there's more from Samsung. Oh, great. Very good.

Starting point is 00:15:27 Samsung display, I should clarify. Slideable Flex Solo. I actually like this Luke Reacts channel. Okay, so what... Okay, again, what is this? Is it supposed to be a display? It's the Slideable Flex Solo. Right. But I see a game on it that looks like the new

Starting point is 00:15:46 need for speed unbound potentially um is it plugged into a computer no it's being used right now is really weird i guess it's just playing a video yeah sure of someone using it yes it's not actually in use i mean this is kind of neat i guess i don't know i wouldn't want it. That's not the question, Luke. The question is, what could you use it for? I mean, it's just a tablet that gets bigger. So it's probably easier to carry around, especially if you're not carrying around a backpack, so you're carrying around like a purse, and you find that this can fit in there,

Starting point is 00:16:36 but then you can make it bigger. Things that you can make bigger go in there. Okay, yeah, they can. What about this thing you can make bigger? What is this? Slideable flex... can make bigger go in there okay yeah they can what about this thing you can make bigger what is this slideable flex oh so it just goes both directions it's even bigger it's the bigger wrist it's the it's the bigger rater are these are they actually planning on selling these okay are they just like you kind of you kind of hit the nail on the head.

Starting point is 00:17:06 Okay. This is Samsung Display. Okay, so it's like a technology division. It's not Samsung Electronics. Got it. So this is... And Luke didn't know, so it's fortunate he didn't say anything too rude. But we actually have a sponsored video on these coming out very soon.

Starting point is 00:17:26 The tech is cool. These are tech demos. demos and it looks they're all tech demos from from that which is not fair they look well i'd say they look better done than the versions of this that we've seen in the past i think that's fair to say but they aren't cooked yeah and they're not intended to be. Yeah. These are tech demos. And that makes sense. But they're pretty wild. It's cool. I could, the both directions or one direction thing doesn't really matter to me. But a tablet that expands, I totally understand. That makes sense.

Starting point is 00:17:58 I've never been a tablet person, but the tablet people that I know would probably like that. You know, it's funny. I'm actually the opposite way. They had a lot more things that they showed off that will be in the video. Guys, make sure you don't miss it because their displays demo this year was wild. That was not all of it, for real. In the tablet form factor, there was actually one that I liked better. They have, I forget what it's called. The corners go out or something it folds in two spots oh so it's like a 12 inch tablet like a big old tablet like one of the like the big ipad pros yeah yeah but it folds twice with no display on the outside it's kind of nice so it's like kind of percival you know yeah yeah and i was a percival tablet that gets

Starting point is 00:18:43 big totally makes sense. Yeah. And for me, I actually preferred the idea of having it fold up and be protected compared to the idea of like it having this. No, I agree. Presumably somewhat fragile rolling mechanism that takes a while. It should be noted though, that it doesn't take that long. Those are motorized demo units.

Starting point is 00:19:04 That makes sense. But what's really cool is that James, who I was kind of envious of this, as far as I can tell, other than Samsung display employees, James Strive was the only person who was allowed to touch all of these.

Starting point is 00:19:19 That's pretty cool. So he got in there and was like, right, right, right, right. Like, they're manual. The demos that you see are just motors. So they're set up to manual mechanisms. And when you're doing a display like that, you're going to want to make it go pretty slow because people are going to be interested in like intricate things that you want to see at slow speed.

Starting point is 00:19:37 So I don't blame them for doing any of that. But in use, you would just open it. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I do think I agree with you i like the the dual

Starting point is 00:19:46 folding one a little bit better it feels like you're folding like a piece of paper or a map or something like that yeah it makes sense tyler bolin won's first ever chat on twitch it's a grower not a shower yeah yeah it's a good first chat not always bad okay good first chat it gets bigger i swear um uh also that that's that's the last that's the last one not a small tab okay we're good for you to react to okay um but in other news it's a really good thing that i didn't buy a the wall because there's now a smaller version of the wall. It's not exactly petite. It's 76 inches. It's cheaper.

Starting point is 00:20:30 And get this. They'll do 240 hertz now. They are much brighter. And this is the big one. The response time of this panel is apparently two nanoseconds. Whoa. Two nanoseconds. Whoa. Two nanoseconds. For comparison.

Starting point is 00:20:49 You know, it's fun when you move to a new unit of measurement. You move past. We went from milliseconds to, I mean, what's 0.1 of a millisecond? I think that's, what would that be? Yeah. Oh, man. I'm pretty sure nano is under micro.

Starting point is 00:21:05 I think we went past an entire order of magnitude. Just skipped over it. The fact that OLEDs, like high-end OLED displays now, are rated for like 0.1 milliseconds, and this is 2 nanoseconds, means that essentially image retention or like image blur is solved at this point. Like if you could put a micro LED display

Starting point is 00:21:36 in something like a VR headset, you would have absolutely no smearing whatsoever. Now, obviously the fact that they're only able to make this in like a 76 inch form factor means we're not getting vr headsets anytime soon yeah yeah one uh one fun thing when when you in the audience because i think i think i am too old for this when you in the audience turn 31.7 years old uh you can you can say that you are one gigasecond old, and that's apparently real. Oh, okay. Thank you for that, Luke. Yeah, no worries.

Starting point is 00:22:10 I appreciate you. It's like a ton of seconds, but it's a gigasecond. No, it's a giga of seconds. It's not a ton. That's a measure of mass. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, good. Okay, you guys are probably noticing, if you are a new viewer, there's little messages coming down in the bottom.

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Starting point is 00:23:17 Speaking of monetization, Wizards of the Coast tightens D&D open gaming license, angering community. I think angering community is a bit of an understatement, but yeah, sure. Mild understatement. This is not a community that tends to be big on anger or know how to combat things or write very well. So I'm sure this won't be terrible for them. A leaked version of Wizards of the Coast new open gaming license revision for Dungeons and Dragons is causing massive customer backlash.

Starting point is 00:23:48 Luckily, it's leaked. Not just customers. They have time to fix it. Massive backlash? From everyone. From everyone. Yeah, because it's terrible. The new revision demands that anyone making money...

Starting point is 00:23:56 Tell us how you really feel. ...that anyone making money from D&D to directly report it to Wizards of the Coast and potentially pay a 25% royalty on gross revenue. Okay, that's important. That last bit is really important. I think that many people do not really, maybe they just don't really think about all the different terms that businesses use to describe money.

Starting point is 00:24:24 Oh, yeah. So, for example, I mentioned on a recent WAN show that this year, 2023, could be the first year that merch outpaces video production for Linus Media Group or whatever, the Yvonne Umbrella Corporation. But for our revenue, that does not mean, and I've seen a lot of people that have sort of misconstrued that to mean that merch is more profitable. That ain't the case.

Starting point is 00:24:54 Physical goods have much higher overhead. You gotta ship it around, you gotta make it, you gotta R&D it, yada, yada, yada. Revenue is a measure of the sheer top line number of dollars that come into your company but there are there there are a few different places where revenue gets kind of cut down to become the actual amount left at the end uh so let's start first with your COGS, like your cost of goods sold, okay? So when I bring in $70 of revenue on a screwdriver, I then get to subtract the actual cost of my screwdriver.

Starting point is 00:25:37 So now I'm left with my gross profit. Not gross like you icky, but gross like not the opposite of net yeah yeah okay so i'm left with my gross profit so that's essentially the amount of money minus the cost of goods sold but my costs aren't done yet to calculate my net profit okay the amount that i actually made on the screwdriver i then need to subtract any associated costs. So we have to pack this thing. Somebody has to do that.

Starting point is 00:26:09 They need to be paid. We have to put it in a box. That costs money. Whoever made the box has to be paid. There's going to be some... QC. There's going to be QC. There's also going to be some general overhead

Starting point is 00:26:21 that's not necessarily associated with just this screwdriver, but with screwdrivers in general. We might have some bad units once in a while. We need to send out replacement units via the Trust Me Bro guarantee. R&D. There's the R&D that gets to be amortized, but certainly has to be paid for at some point. So then we get to our net profit. Then when we're done with that, now I'm going to get a little bit fuzzy on the terms because I don't, believe it or not, actually work in our accounting department. And we have to pay taxes on that profit. And that's where we're left with, I forget if it's like earnings or like, like whatever net earnings or whatever the actual difference is. So don't worry too much about the terms. The point is, you've got your revenue, you've got your gross profit, you've got your uh your profit after you account for uh paying salaries and operating costs electricity for your building and all that other stuff and then finally on that number that amount that was left over in your bank account you then get to write a big fat check to uncle trudeau and then that's the money that you actually get to keep sort of because

Starting point is 00:27:23 that's your court we've played corporate income tax on that but if i wanted to actually spend it i would then have to pay personal income tax on it after i issued a dividend to myself or whatever the case may be okay cool so 25 royalty let's come back to wizards of the coast is on gross revenues. That's why this is so nasty. Because it doesn't matter if you made any money even. So you might have lost money and then need to give them money. They will take their cut and... Really, guys? And, so say you didn't make money on it.

Starting point is 00:27:59 Say you lost money on it. And then they came, gave you the finger, and took 25% of the original amount anyways and that also gives them free reign to use those works in any way they see fit without compensating in perpetuity in any way forever and they can even sub-license it heck yeah really the previous version of the license was in place for more than 20 years and allowed broad royalty-free use of dnd's game mechanics and helped the tabletop rpgs grow into the 2.5 million dollar industry that they are today i actually bet you if that wasn't in place

Starting point is 00:28:37 for the 20 years that it was in place they wouldn't be nowhere near the size of company that they are now um and i don't think it would be anywhere near as ubiquitous as it is now either. The previous version, sorry, the new version does not allow for anything beyond game books and PDFs. This eliminates videos, virtual tabletop implementations, computer games, also kind of huge, novels, apps, graphic novels, music, and any other form of media from being created with the ip here's the really wild thing to me um the old license was perpetual so the new the new license um luke and i think both read up on this before coming into the show the new license

Starting point is 00:29:25 specifically has language in it that allows them to alter the deal at any point pray i don't alter it further but the old one didn't i suspect if you created something already using the old license that you're probably still fine yeah but like i gotta imagine that are they just are they just anticipating that nobody will have the money or time to challenge them on this? Because the original timeline for this had it going into effect in two days from now or something like that.

Starting point is 00:29:55 People were basically being given no time to agree, comply, and move forward with these new license terms, which is is wild you've gone and you've built this ecosystem that is thriving you're clearly doing fine okay wizards of the coast brought in almost a billion dollars of revenue last year that is more than a third of the industry's revenue you are fine you have this openness to thank for your growth and now what some bean counter who i promise has never even touched dnd has no idea how important third-party contributions are to the ecosystem came in and said well why not no we should get money from this yeah why not

Starting point is 00:30:40 Why not more? No, we should get money from this. Yeah, why not? Brutal. Meanwhile, Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast are already dealing with significant backlash from the Magic the Gathering community over overprinting cards. Bank of America devalued the stock last month

Starting point is 00:30:57 after their research analyst came to the conclusion that the overprinting was destroying the long-term value of the MTG brand. Yikes. This ain't gonna help, guys. Your brand is everything. People don't have to play Dungeons & Dragons. Do you know how many games there are to play?

Starting point is 00:31:15 There's a lot of tabletop games. Do you know how passionate the tabletop gaming community is? Yeah, they'll make a new one. And they can. Trust me, they can trust me they can like do you know how easy it is to make a definitely not dungeons and definitely not dragons game it's a dice fantasy game it's like elves and you didn't invent that for real though yeah like really yeah do you have any idea what you're doing i'm not even hyper into dnd but i'm still looking at this going this is classic this is classic having absolutely no idea out of touch parent company absolutely no idea what you're doing yeah yeah yeah this is great

Starting point is 00:32:06 we're getting lots of suggestions here uh we've got caves and lizards jails and wyverns huts huts and lizards this is what i'm talking this is what i'm talking about right now this 25 royalty okay wizards of the coast estimates that only about 20 companies will be affected by it. And from their point of view, why should they be essentially funding competitors? But that's the thing. Again, you are missing the forest for the trees here. I had never heard of any of those other companies

Starting point is 00:32:42 until this headline hit my google news feed and that's what i was kind of referencing near the beginning is like all i knew was dungeons and dragons dnd is the is the is the big game in the space yeah you're the kleenex yeah so why are you coming out and starting a media war a community war in front of everybody with every other brand of nose tissue all you're doing is like expose to use terms that maybe someone in your community might understand but i suspect you won't you're exposing part of your armor and allowing another smaller group to take a massive shot because like if somebody if somebody if somebody in this community that makes a really good compelling product which there are genuinely many, just uses this to get a massive leg up, it's very likely going to work.

Starting point is 00:33:33 Like, you're going to get wrecked because there are other very compelling products. But right now, or before today, I guess, if someone is really into D&D and they play for a really long time, they might keep playing D&D or maybe they go and play one of these other things, right? Okay. Well, they're still in that community and that person is still bringing interest from other people in their sphere into these types of things. And I find, no, get out of here. I do not want to restart right now. Obviously, um, this computer is on for one day a week. Or I'm using it for one day a week. It's actually on for longer than that.

Starting point is 00:34:11 Anyways, they're bringing more people into the space. And a lot of people, when they come into the tabletop RPG space, are going to default to D&D. Of course they are. They're not going to default to one of these other games because they've heard this forever armor and shot no i was using i was talking about expose armor lumilia sin float plane chat says it was very very clear from the from the leaks um that wizards of the coast has already already knows to expect backlash and they're just accepting that as

Starting point is 00:34:43 cost of doing business i can't even imagine this is going to be a significant amount of money uh it could be it could be because that that 25 percent tier is at 750 000 of revenue per year and so if there's 20 of them well that's at least 15 million dollars so you could take 25 of 15 million dollars it wouldn't hurt but then again we're talking about at the scale of their business like why and they're creating so much administrative red tape yeah for what like everyone's expected to report their projects in to wizards of the coast someone has to review all that remember we were talking about those financial breakdown things yeah now you have to factor in the revenue loss that they're going to have and i guarantee you they're

Starting point is 00:35:23 going to have it this is a very passionate community and they are not going to like this so they're going to switch to other games and some of these other games or platforms they included like music whatever else some of these other things various forms of implementation they can pivot assuming that their previous works fall under the original license so they're still fine new works can pivot tommy blue uh clarified something yes sorry i'm sorry if you are doing 750 plus uh 750 000 plus revenue it's 25 on anything past that so it's kind of like a um bloody hell i forget the word um like it's kind of like how tax brackets work so yes you're in the higher bracket but that bracket only applies to your personal income over whatever level someone in chat is talking about

Starting point is 00:36:09 using uh chat gpt to alter how dnd works to make a new game like yeah i don't know if you're made if you're making stuff in this space and your company if your company's revenue is over 750 grand and you're making something in this space, first off, good job. Second off, pivot. Find a way. I'm sure you can do it. Screw these guys. Don't give them that 25%.

Starting point is 00:36:31 By the way, I took some fun ones from float planes, some potential names for D&D competitors. Okay. We've got Swamps and Donkey. We've got Planes and Snakes. Nice. Okay. Basements and virgins that that could be an actual game uh yeah i know that could actually totally be an actual game

Starting point is 00:36:53 but like the adventure is like getting out of the basement yeah trying to accomplish your fairly obvious task there's various ways to do so Wasn't that just super bad? Yeah, basically, exactly There's a compelling story here You could make that game Coming of age That's the expansion

Starting point is 00:37:20 And then to round out the trilogy We we've got fun for the whole family. Oh, no. What? No, because you've had children. Where did you go with that? Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Disgusting. Disgusting.

Starting point is 00:37:38 Get your mind out of the gutter, sir. Get out of the gutter, step bro. No, that's the fourth one oh there you go okay yeah yeah all right um cool oh man anyway uh we do not support this yeah if you didn't gather that not support this yeah if you didn't gather that okay apparently our discussion question here was how could hasbro monetize two of the most lucrative brands in the gaming world without completely alienating their users uh i mean i can tell you right now that all the references to nfts in the new guidelines are not gonna help yeah oh oh you're a little late to the grift guys yeah a little bit there's tons of ways i don't know yeah anyway uh i always found that their games were very uh half-assed like the dnd video games were never really that great i remember the first time

Starting point is 00:38:42 i ever heard that there was a dnd video game i actually got really excited and then it was junk and i was like oh yeah i mean you don't actually have to make it the third party ones have been by far the the better respected ones yeah we're talking about like neverwinter nights or something that is less directly uh you know dnd neverwinter nights was like legendary um balder's gate i believe started like that as well yeah it was before yeah winter nights like there there's quite a few that were done way better yeah so clearly it's possible yeah but i don't mean knights of the old republic another legendary game no absolutely not a first party game a lot of og video games were actually based on dnd like systems um every winter nights is technically a dnd game oh

Starting point is 00:39:26 i didn't actually know that yeah is is it dnd though like was it first party because if so then what happened like for real though this bug is just like chilling with me for the whole show show apparently baldur's gate 3 is coming yeah but it's made by um the the people that are we saying that as a plus for wizards of the coast because baldur's gate 3 is made by the company that made another game that i can't remember right now that is really really really good and i'm expecting dragon age or baldur's gate 3 is going to be fantastic larian studios yes larian studios ah what's the name of it the most previous game that they made was fantastic divinity original sin 2 it's really good it's made by larian studios it's a fantastic game so i i have really high hopes for balder's gate 3 like very very high hopes all right let's hope for the best i have i have a on on record i have the soundtrack

Starting point is 00:40:29 for the original sin 2 signed by the whole dev team not the whole dev team but a bunch of the dev team because at pax east the dev team was there so i brought the record and got them to sign it was pretty sweet that's very cool yeah yeah luke's been trying to get me to play it we uh we've done that we started a co-op campaign. We've made it as far as the tutorial. We got off the boat. Yeah, we got off the boat. And then stopped. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:50 It was fun, though. Yes, it was fun. We always have a ton of time, and we often want to play with your son, and it's a little... Yeah. I don't think he'd be quite there yet for enjoying that game. Well, that's two-player, so... No. I thought it was.

Starting point is 00:41:04 Four. Oh, but we started a two-player game yeah so i think we'd have to make a new game i think yeah yeah and then expecting all three of those schedules to align i think is a little rough yeah the amount of divinity original sin 2 games that i have because of wanting to integrate a new person and they want to make their own character and stuff so you end up forking like a million times is is pretty crazy um but yeah fantastic game and as far as my understanding goes larian is a fantastic studio so uh apparently yeah balder's gate is officially licensed dnd mind you that was a hot minute ago so hopefully hopefully that's going to change anyway in terms of ideas to

Starting point is 00:41:40 monetize the ip clearly there are plenty and they don't have to just the fact that alienate their players gate three and it's being released now means they didn't take advantage of that yeah that's true like that's fair i don't know man i think there's lots of ways i'm also surprised has there been a movie gnd? What would that even look like? Well, here's a... Yeah, I don't know. Dungeons & Dragons Honor Among Thieves is apparently coming this year.

Starting point is 00:42:13 2023. Hmm. I could see this. I could see it being great. I could see it being terrible. Yeah. Yep. I don't feel like it's going to land in the middle.

Starting point is 00:42:26 I think it's going to be atrocious or great. Well, Hugh Grant is in it. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I mean, it's Hugh Grant, so. I'm not very good with like. It depends if you like his sort of likable awkwardness. I feel like they need to kind of brush over That it's D&D

Starting point is 00:42:47 You know Apparently there was a horrible one Oh in 2000 Dungeons and Dragons IMDB 2000 I didn't even know about this Well it has 3.6 stars out of 10 So it looks like you didn't really miss out on much Yeah really

Starting point is 00:43:03 But like the fact that I didn't know about it is rough at like 50 to 60% there's a chance that you'll just be like heard good movie at 36% of people liked it the odds are not looking good if

Starting point is 00:43:18 you want the odds of your message appearing down there to be high you're going to want to send in a merch message Dan do you want to give us a couple and then we'll we'll try and do the rest of your message appearing down there to be high. You're going to want to send in a merch message. Dan, do you want to give us a couple, and then we'll try and do the rest of the curated merch messages towards the end of the show? Sure, that sounds good. Let's see. I've got one here from Ashkay.

Starting point is 00:43:35 Buying a bottle for my friend's birthday at Linus, how do you decide which videos go up on weekdays versus weekends? Depends when they're done. Nice and simple. In a perfect world, we'd actually love to come out with a banger on Saturday just because Friday's WAN show

Starting point is 00:43:54 and WAN show doesn't perform the same way that a typical VOD does. So we'd love to be able to come out strong just so that, you know, algorithmically we're sending signals that we don't upload you know two uh wet farts in a row uh i'm google claims up and down that that doesn't matter but it like totally totally does um yeah uh okay everything at creator summit is confidential but i will just say YouTube says a lot of things,

Starting point is 00:44:25 and the experienced creators do not appreciate the way that YouTube tends to oversimplify how their algorithmic systems for deciding how a video is promoted work. They are not simple, and you do kind of need to be a bit of a fortune teller, soothsayer, tea leaf reader to even sort of maybe hopefully understand how they work. And they are not just like, yeah, good video, get views. Quite. Anywho. Yeah, but it doesn't usually work out that way, though. We do our best. Yeah. I got another one here from jacob hi linus and luke do you guys think

Starting point is 00:45:10 floatplane will ever turn into a big streaming service for techies uh not in the way not like for techie it's not for techies um it's for everybody we have a lawyer on the platform well what's interesting is that the conversations that we've been having about new features and how floatplane could be utilized. I guess so. Could make it a hugely important video streaming service for techies. Do we want to talk about that? But not in the way you're thinking at all. Yeah, sure.

Starting point is 00:45:41 Why don't we talk about it? Yeah, sure. You're about to listen in on our weekly float plane strategy and how detailed do we want to get do we want to talk about the the thing um this thing let's not talk about the that thing okay did you just go like this to me not quite okay there's more separation i guess i would have been able to tell yeah familiar um yeah there's there's some video features i'll just say it like that I guess I would have been able to tell. Familiar. Yeah, there's some video features, I'll just say it like that,

Starting point is 00:46:10 that are going to eventually be coming to the Labs website. Well, we can talk about some basic ones. Like, say, for example, like keyboard videos. Like, what did Antoine want to do with the video player again? Yeah, so basically like a video where you'd watch a key get pressed by the key presser could be played on the site by using Flowplane. Basically having a YouTube embed would be cheap

Starting point is 00:46:38 and I mean, it would be free and easy, but then we've all seen how that works where like you get the suggested videos being sent at the end of it and it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the flow of the website you can maybe customize the player but the second the video ends and it spits out a bunch of suggested videos you you know it's not really part of the site and we might not want everything to be like a 16 by 9 aspect ratio we might want to uh we might want it and embedded a little more tightly with everything around it like there's a lot of reasons maybe use gifs and this doesn't exclude gifs but there might be

Starting point is 00:47:11 situations where we want people to be able to have uh more control over the actual video we might want to have our own player for whatever reason on it etc etc etc so yeah um there's there's potentially going to be flow plane integration extremely likely going to it's just not there yet so screw it let's just tell them about the cool feature are you sure yeah let's just tell them this is like it's the kind of thing that obviously talking about it you know 6 12 18 months before we're ready to launch is gonna potentially give someone a heads up but realistically like what who's gonna compete with this who could be done this feature in 18 months other than us i know somebody could it would just be expensive well yeah but that's what i mean you totally could yeah but um who will lots of things i doubt anyone will do it um so

Starting point is 00:47:57 you know how hard it is to find any kind of credible answer to this versus that you know some some gpu versus another gpu or some cpu versus another cpu sorry keep going i have something else to add to that but keep going sure i mean you usually end up on one of those websites that just kind of has a spec sheet that may or may not be accurate and maybe a little write-up, but it's like a generated write-up. It's just honestly not that useful. The solution to that up until now

Starting point is 00:48:35 has been to search for it on YouTube. And there's this entire genre of videos now, this entire category of videos that's just gameplay captures with frame time information on it and stuff frame times clock speeds temperatures overlaid so that you can see the different products running next to each other the issue is that someone has to go capture that gameplay footage specifically for that video they have to stitch it together they have to encode it they have to upload it to youtube they have to title it and you have to find it well what if on the lab's website we had a comparison engine that

Starting point is 00:49:09 gave you the specs obviously so you so you could compare the the specs the you know architecture clock speed you know cuda cores or whatever else the case may be but where you could also dynamically generate side-by-side video of whatever games you want to see of whatever cards you want to see and we had a custom player that could play them back so that you could really see the difference in gameplay experience like stitch it into one player so that it's a good experience and whatnot um that's what we're building dan from the the labs web the dan the lead of the labs web team ran a a meeting today that was actually super cool we've done this with flowplane before uh but it was essentially like a site walkthrough

Starting point is 00:49:51 where you sit the team down you go through the website and you get feedback from everybody about like how something feels does this work in the way we want it to should we change this thing whatever you go through the whole website and do that um and there were some really really good things that came from that actually some really good feedback from the team um and and he's gonna throw it to some other people as well including the labs local team and and flow plane and stuff like that just trying to sharpen it up a little bit before we send it out um and there was some really cool ideas that came from that the only one i'm gonna spit out was one of mine um which was we decided that we were going to change how you know the compare tool you press the button and adds it to your cart

Starting point is 00:50:29 yep we had another kind of like floating uh little module on the side that kind of did that as well but it was a little bit redundant and just a little bit odd so we were talking about removing it and um i came up with the idea of because someone else worded i think it was damned i don't remember who someone else worded it in a way that gave me this idea um oh right it was like the i think the way that it was originally described was oh we could just like put some other products there and people could choose to compare those as well and i was like okay but what if it works in a similar way to the Amazon, like frequently purchased with section?

Starting point is 00:51:10 Or the one they used to have, people who looked at this usually ended up going with this. So it'd be similar to that type of engine. So now it would be like, this is often compared with these things. So if you're looking at a specific, say graphics card, it could be like, well, this graphics card is often compared with these things. So if you're looking at a specific, say, graphics card, it could be like, well, this graphics card is often compared with these. So if you hear of some graphics card from your friend and you're technical enough to know about the lab's website, but maybe you're not so into gaming performance,

Starting point is 00:51:36 so you're not super technical in the way of understanding GPUs and their performance and all the different range of possible ones there are out there, and you look up this graphics card, you could oh or maybe headphones right yeah might i also suggest yeah maybe you should compare against these other ones as well because everyone else does so the labs local team doesn't have to like manually come up with these lists of suggested compares it just happens fairly automatically so that's like a cool idea it'll take some time to build but absolutely i'm not saying it's coming now i have no idea when we're going to work on it we have lots of

Starting point is 00:52:08 lots of things to do guys there's so much potential here like exactly depending on how much we can automate a lot of this capture um there is the potential but this will not happen in the short term but there's the potential that you could basically kind of preview you know whatever combination of hardware you're interested in obviously there'd be limitations right we're not going to go start throwing rtx 4090s on you know core 2 quad q6600s just for jollies so that people can play around with it. We would want to focus on things that are actually realistic. But the whole idea here is to not just generate this data, not just generate these captures,

Starting point is 00:52:54 but make it more digestible. I've got people asking, would this be free? Some level of it will be free. I can't promise that everything will be free. If you're sitting there... Landed on on my face that was about to happen eventually like if you're if you're sitting there you know um running to the point where we're looking at it going you know you're running a small business you're in here for like two hours a day every day configuring systems for people sucking up video bandwidth at some point you might just need a pro account.

Starting point is 00:53:25 So I don't know where that line is going to be. I didn't want to do it at all. I'm just being transparent. Because when Linus first suggested the side-by-side viewer thing, which was the first idea of integrating- He was like, YouTube, YouTube, right? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:39 I was like, please, these are unlisted videos on YouTube. And he was like, nope, I want to do it this way. And I was like, okay, what if we did this other option And he was like, nope, I want to do it this way. And I was like, okay, what if we did this other option? He was like, nope, I want to do it this way. I'm like, okay, cool. No, you're not. But this website doesn't have a ton of potential in its current form to make money.

Starting point is 00:53:58 And playing video costs a lot of money. So what are we going to do, bro? And this was his answer and now i'm sitting here like okay i have to build this thing that's just gonna saddle like a ton of cost and it's it's uh it's concerning so we're gonna have to figure out at some point how we monetize it maybe you have access to certain levels of features maybe you can watch a certain amount of comparisons a day or a week or whatever i have no idea but just leaving it fully uncorked all the time when we don't want to be super annoying or aggressive with ads are we are we gonna have any ads we don't want to say that right now i'm assuming but they're not going to be like

Starting point is 00:54:42 super annoying because he's going to want to use it so they can't be super annoying we'll almost certainly um aggressively pursue affiliate revenue yeah like that is one of the ideas yeah yeah yeah like if you are if you're ultimately sitting on our site to make a purchase decision then we want a piece of that because if you think about it who did the work amazon or us if you if you buy ultimately whatever it is that you buy did the brand do the work no did the retailer do the work no what is it the work what is it called when you're a retail employee and you you get a certain amount of money for the amount of products that commission commission yeah it's effectively commissioned yeah or or like a spiff or whatever you want to call it like that's that's that's something that we would absolutely pursue now what i can commit now is that that suggestion engine for example that luke is talking about

Starting point is 00:55:37 will not prefer items that we get better commissions on yeah that is that is my 100 promise to you be purely based on in perpetuity genuinely what things people compare the thing you're looking at with because it's one of those things that makes me so angry about amazon that's why that went away that's why that makes sense and it was the only thing i used to shop it Their site is utterly unnavigable now. I don't know if that's a word, and I don't care. The point is that that was how I shopped, because already their site was impossible to navigate. So if I could find something that was approximately what I'm looking for,

Starting point is 00:56:16 then that carousel that had people who viewed this, usually bought this, was how I found things things like almost every time and so that's what i want to bring back i want us to be able to have you show up on some piece of pair of headphones have a little thing that pops up and says hey um couldn't help noticing you're looking at AirPods Max. Would you consider perhaps something that is not heavy and that sounds better? Yeah, basically though. So I think that's really cool.

Starting point is 00:56:55 I would have never thought about that if I wasn't prompted by whoever on the team said it. I think it was Dan again. And there was a lot of other actually really cool things that came out of that meeting. So I'm quite excited. But yeah, Flowplane is going to be involved with the labs website in some way. It seems kind of inevitable now because he just says, no, we're doing it every time I try to bring up alternatives.

Starting point is 00:57:16 Here's the thing. Like, what's the point of being vertically integrated? No, yeah, I get it. My only concern is cost. We have media production media playback testing and we've got this site that needs what test data yeah okay media production and media playback well okay maybe i'll use some other media playback so no i'm not gonna do that no it's it's a it's a it's a great solution and it's gonna end up being very good good technically. The only concerns that I have are on the business side.

Starting point is 00:57:47 And there were some ideas of like, maybe the feature is entirely locked behind a floatplane subscription and we just make it so you can subscribe to floatplane or the Linus Tech Tips floatplane through the lab's website or whatever. That will almost certainly happen is a more all-you-can-eat floatplane subscription

Starting point is 00:58:04 that also includes some kind of perks on the lab's website i think that we're going to see some kind of rejuvenation of linus techtips.com the forum um you know where there will be certain privileges that are granted from that floatplane subscription so the more value that we can add to a float plane subscription ultimately i think the more this whole thing will make sense if we're talking about theoretical features that might never exist um another idea of integrating forum stuff is there's been thoughts where the comments if we decided to do comments there are no comments right now this might never be a thing there might never be comments at all like don't don't take this too far but if we decide to do comments okay luke

Starting point is 00:58:49 if we decide to do comments they could be integrated in a way where it's really just the forum and the posts on it are just a thread forum post it's just a thread yeah this is and it's this that is then integrated into the lab's website so it's viewable on both etc etc etc and it might just be this like mesh of websites that form into because that'll help with the forum's seo um so it'll it'll like drive up activity um it will just add more user-generated content to the forum which again is also good for SEO. Not like the forum is ever going to make money. But if the development we do on the forum can enhance and enrich the experience on the lab's website, well then all of a sudden it has a reason for existing. No, for real.

Starting point is 00:59:38 The forum exists. It celebrated its 10-year anniversary this week. Pretty exciting. I saw that someone changed the banner at the top to the OG Linus Tech Tips logo. Was that you? No, actually. Oh, okay. It was probably Mortis or something.

Starting point is 00:59:53 Yeah, correct. Yeah, anyway. So the forum celebrated its 10-year anniversary, and the forum exists because of the same reason that it has always existed. It exists as a desperation backup plan somewhere where our community can be that no one can ever take away from us and number two because i just thought it should and it's it's caught us in its net before like it is it has saved us before yeah absolutely and when it's

Starting point is 01:00:18 it's like infrastructure right when it's working just fine and you don't need it it would be oh yeah why do like, ugh, why do we have this thing? Why do we keep throwing money at this? When you need it suddenly and you're like, whoo! When Vessel goes out of business suddenly and you need somewhere to post your early access videos

Starting point is 01:00:37 and some way to collect money from people to get them, you're like, oh yeah, we got a forum! Let's go! Heck yeah! Sweet, yeah. Yeah. them you're like oh yeah we got a forum let's go yeah heck yeah sweet yeah yeah anyways i don't know how the heck we got to that what topic were we on don't even worry about it is it a merch message i think so i feel like i just like came out of a haze the point is we're really excited yeah there's so many cool directions we can take it in yeah and uh we've had a good year

Starting point is 01:01:06 team's really driven they're killing it we had a good year um we're hiring we're building it like let's let's go i've i've seen i've seen a ton of speculation it's really funny because we're so transparent like who who else but us would put an actual sales counter on the product page for their two biggest launches of the year we are so like painfully transparent i was i did flag that when we were making that feature but i know i know um and the the amount of speculation that I see that, ooh, Linus is overextending himself on the lab. Keck W, he's going to go under. We're fine. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:54 I'm fine. He's fine. Everyone is fine. Yep. We're growing. Oh, speaking of making money and surviving sponsors. Also, pay attention to the linusmediagroup.com slash jobs page.

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Starting point is 01:03:50 Other than the materials it's made of Because everyone's traveling Don't worry too much about that But yeah it's super nice Hey do we have any reviews on the Pajama pants yet from last week I kind of doubt it We don't

Starting point is 01:04:05 send out a notification to leave a review for like a month or something like that so after we launch something there's like a month and then there's like this flood of reviews yeah i was gonna say they would need to have it and then have had it for enough time to actually formulate a good review so yeah uh speaking of the store let's talk about your junk um you're doing an underwear photo shoot yeah so we have new patterns for the underwear the only reason that i put this in the doc was because we were talking about it but then we never finished our conversation oh so uh nick gave me a three-week warning that we have new underwear patterns coming so since he told me i have done some form of workout every day nice uh my goal is to have no uh like like softening layer like i okay like i have like i have abs like you can you can them, but I want to not have...

Starting point is 01:05:06 I think I can tell. I want to not have the soft layer. I think your abs have more bulk than they normally do. So... Because you've always been pretty cut, but I don't think I've seen that much bulk in your abs before. So I... It makes sense.

Starting point is 01:05:20 Well, that's because almost everything I do is cardio. Yeah. Normally. Yeah. So I'm doing just like some not cardio. Nothing crazy, but a little bit of anything other than cardio and also a lot of cardio. So you guys have probably noticed if you're on float plane

Starting point is 01:05:38 that I've been streaming Beat Saber more lately. Ain't an accident. Gotcha. Trying to get rid of trying to get rid of some of that so yep yep now i know you've been working out a lot lately yeah i i've been working out um okay so i said six days a week because i didn't fully explain it uh so i do something that contributes to physical health 7 days a week I work out

Starting point is 01:06:06 6 days a week On Tuesdays I do Rotating cold and heat exposure For An hour and 15 minutes You're going to have to explain what rotating cold and heat exposure is So I So you like light a fire and then you just

Starting point is 01:06:23 So I don't And you have the fridge over here and a fireplace here Yeah that would actually be really interesting So you like light a fire and then you just... So I don't have... And you have the fridge over here and a fireplace here. Yeah, that'd actually be really interesting. I don't think that would work very well. But I do an ice bath for five minutes. Oh, what ice bath? And then I drip dry for a minute and a half.

Starting point is 01:06:38 And then I don't have a sauna, so a simulated sauna for 20 minutes. Okay. And then ice bath for five, drip dry one and a half, sauna for 20. I basically do that rotation of three things three times. That sounds awful. It is. I won't do it.

Starting point is 01:06:55 Yeah, that's fine. I don't care how badly I need it. I will not do that. And then every other day of the week, I do some form of workout. So today is sprints. Okay. You know what I will do? And i'm not sure that you would let me just say this do you know what an epilator is isn't that the stair master machine nope that's an elliptical okay no okay

Starting point is 01:07:18 later it's no no no i'll explain it okay there there's there's stuff that i'm working on that is more than just the physique because i not a huge body hair fan okay let me put it this way the line between feminine um like uh beauty products and actual torture devices is truly a thin one indeed. Dude, some of them are terrifying. Yeah. Oh, yeah. An epilator is a hair removal tool that's like an auto-plucker. So it's kind of like a motorized razor, but it has a spinning thing that has these wires that narrow so that when the hair gets caught in the wire, it rips it out.

Starting point is 01:08:10 So it literally just rips all your hair out. It literally just rips out your hair as you run it across your body. I would deeply prefer to do hot and cold exposure. That sounds atrociously horrible. Wow. Wow. it's really painful yeah as you as you might as you might you've already done this i yeah i well i've tried it because i'm just like what is what is the best way what is the best way to do this so is your plan to do this just before the photo shoot is your plan to like keep this up so i will say this once you've once you've kind of gotten everything once it's way easier okay it is it's like so many things in

Starting point is 01:08:53 life it's a hundred times easier to keep up than it is to catch up wow um yeah wow it's it's very it's very painful um that's rough oh wait not to be way too specific yeah where do you do this is this just like a chest like a torso like chest like around the tummy yeah yeah my like my hair in my like tummy zone is coming in i thought for a long my dad has like i used to joke and i'd like slap my dad in the chest just be like killed all the forest animals because because he had like all this hair is very hairy uh and even in my like late 20s i was like not gonna be me must have got the genes from the other side of the family whatever and now my tummy i never really pay attention and i brushed it the other day and i was like yeah so when i met so

Starting point is 01:09:51 long when i met yvonne it was like oh a little treasure trail yeah and now it's like thick above the belly button forest yeah and it's like there with lyn links adventure yeah and the master sword and as soon as as soon as there's no clear bear patch between the chest and the tummy and the legs yeah it's like a bit of a different look yeah yeah i'm very jealous of both of you. You're jealous? Oh, yeah. Well, no, he's a hairy dude. Oh, my God. Oh. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:10:29 Yeah, and okay, okay, so people are bringing up laser. I can afford laser. Not gonna hide that. Finding a place that'll do laser on men, not easy. Really? Yeah, I mean, okay, especially if it's, like, in an intimate area, but the vast majority... Oh, God, I don't want to do that. That'd be horrible.

Starting point is 01:10:48 Well, anyway, the point is that finding places that will even do any kind of like laser hair removal treatment on men is not that easy. Is there a reason? They just don't want to. Weird. Well, like, because, I don't know, men are gross, I guess. I guess. Yeah, for real.

Starting point is 01:11:04 I don't know. Is there any downsides of laser hair removal? Does it like mess with your sweat glands or anything like that? No, no, okay The downside is the cost and you have to go back a lot of times and it hurts Like any hair. I mean any hair is all hurts. So people have been saying nair. That's like that's It like dissolves the hair that also Wow that creeps me out. Yeah, honestly I'd rather the pain then put a chemical that dissolves hair hair that also wow that creeps me out yeah honestly i'd rather the pain than put a

Starting point is 01:11:26 chemical that dissolves hair all over my body like if we were talking like it's an organ my dudes yeah if we were talking like oh i wanna it absorbs stuff i i i wanna like uh oh man what would i even okay if we were talking like oh my stupid watch strap is always catching in my hair and i'm just gonna do like a little patch around my wrist or something like that yeah i'd probably yeah i'd probably throw some narrow run the run the epilator in a circle around your yeah i think i would not do that i think i would not do that um but if it's if it's like a significant chunk of your body i think i'd i think i'd rather do it the natural way people are talking in float plane chat they're like lasers almost always done on women um so it's viewed as like a safe space or something like

Starting point is 01:12:12 wouldn't it be a private room like what does that even mean they want to avoid harassment towards the staff i mean yeah i don't know sure i guess i don't know i just know that i called a couple places and they were just not, they were like, I'm sorry, I can tell by your voice we will not be working on you. I'm like, oh, okay. Really?

Starting point is 01:12:30 Yeah, yeah. They were just like, nope. That doesn't seem fair. What if you just have a deep voice? I mean, they clarified, obviously. Okay, okay. I got you.

Starting point is 01:12:41 I got you. I got you. I got you. Basically, they were immediately not interested in talking to me rough I might have somebody to recommend oh Geek Power says

Starting point is 01:12:52 gay guys definitely get laser removal done I'd imagine there'd be a number of places in a big city like Vancouver yeah I was probably just like calling the wrong places like if you go somewhere that like specializes in you know that community or whatever else then i'm sure worked on guys before yeah that makes sense yeah yeah anyway the point is is that even

Starting point is 01:13:13 legal epilating hurts i don't know yeah i imagine yeah yeah i i hate yeah i hate i've always disliked pulling hairs i don't know it. It just sucks. I don't know. And it's very localized and really sharp. It feels like a needle. I feel like when you get, I don't know why, different forms of pain, despite even potentially being more, in quotes, painful, are easier to deal with.

Starting point is 01:13:37 Yeah, this is the same guy that, was it last week or the week before? You were talking about, oh no, it was the worst videos video, where you were talking about getting someone to tackle you as hard as they could like whatever not a huge deal but like if i pluck one of like a pluck a monobrow i would literally rather that you tackled me yeah i get it yeah i get it for some reason i maybe it's totally mental but it's just easier to deal with yep i don't i don't know what it is or why or whatever but

Starting point is 01:14:05 it's just always been that way yeah well the heck this is the second time this show how did we get here i don't know where did we get here from oh right the modeling session okay that makes sense so i'm gonna be ready this time i'm gonna be ready nice yeah are you are you trying to do anything because so i know you're trying to get more definition in the ab area. Yeah, a little more definition. Are you trying to do more? You mentioned something about your chest. I have no pecs.

Starting point is 01:14:33 Three weeks is not a long time. Are you one week in? So you have two weeks left? Yeah, that's one of the reasons why at the roast, me making flat chested jokes at my wife was like, probably not that okay. You know, I'm flatter than her uh anyway the sorry what um like so are you not going to try to work on those areas

Starting point is 01:14:52 beat saber actually helps a lot with that that makes sense yeah um there's a lot of it's not more shoulders it's not it doesn't help the way that like doing weights would it doesn't help bulk up but it helps define it a bit more well this would help with pecs if you like did these right yeah i expected you most people would go with the bench but i don't know i don't know anything i you know i don't know how a weight room works i haven't i barely do i haven't oh shut up compared to me it's so stop it's so no stop now it's so deep stop and that community is so critical. It's crazy. Luke, let me put it this way.

Starting point is 01:15:26 And for a pretty good reason in a lot of cases. Let me put it this way. I haven't set foot in a weight room since grade 10. Oh, wow. Not even set foot. And in grade 10, our school gave you options. When you were doing the weight unit in PE, you could do that or a sport.

Starting point is 01:15:47 I did one day. And then I switched over to the sport. I have literally not even sat on a weight machine of any sort in over 20 years. This is the first time. So you and I have talked about this a bunch. Yeah. One of my biggest problems for the last long time has been that I keep trying to work out.

Starting point is 01:16:13 And for certain reasons that I don't necessarily want to go way into, but I end up injuring myself like every time. Like every time. It's like, it's hard to watch, honestly. Yeah. Like, and I'm sure it is. And it's hard for me too. Like it's just, it sucks to watch honestly it's yeah like i know i'm sure it is and it's hard for me too like it's just it sucks so i get excited i get motivated and then i push too far i push too hard and i injure myself and there's reasons why that happens and i don't want to go into it but it happens and then i get really discouraged and i get really uh like self-loathing

Starting point is 01:16:41 and unhappy and lethargic and then i i lose it because like oh i'll injure one specified area it's almost always one of the three things it's my lower back it's my right knee it's my right shoulder yeah like it's it's always one of those things because those are pre-existing injuries from when i was growing up and i'll i'll trigger one of them and even though i could work like if it's my knee okay sure you can. You can do everything upper body. Who cares? Right. But I'm just super discouraged because leg day is actually my favorite day. I'm one of those weird people. I love doing leg day. So when leg day gets taken out of the rotation,

Starting point is 01:17:13 I'm like, oh, well, it's hard to get motivated. If it's my shoulder, if it's my lower back, I'm just kind of screwed. But if it's my shoulder,

Starting point is 01:17:18 it's like, okay, well I could keep doing leg day, but then I'm like, okay, but the upper body stuff is the stuff you actually get like credit for. so then now i'm just like well that sucks and it just i just get really demotivated so my my biggest goal this time by a huge amount uh form is everything i usually don't get injured because of form problems i don't want to get into it it's a way longer conversation it

Starting point is 01:17:41 is but uh the the big goal this time is don't get injured yeah so i'm doing everything really high five yeah i'm doing everything really really scientifically okay i have notebooks yeah i track everything well i know you have that trainer not right now oh i'm going to be going back to him okay cool um because he was fantastic there's no nothing against him right now my schedule is just too weird i was i was doing stuff previously i got sick for three weeks there i have wisdom teeth coming out soon there's just stuff all over the place once my schedule gets a little bit more do steroids no oh my god what no um trust me my penis is small enough our balls rather yeah i mean both are true i was gonna say is it i thought it was just the thought it just reduced ball anyways no i mean both of the things i said

Starting point is 01:18:34 oh my god okay um so yeah i've been i've been uh very very very focused on being being as like scientific and documented and measured about everything as i possibly can so i'm like taking really extensive notes i even track like um how grip feels right so like in in one of my uh sets i end up doing a lot of things that require grip so i'll like note how my grip feels throughout the entire thing to like make sure there's no possibility of overtraining all this type of stuff blah blah blah and it's been really it's been an interesting rabbit hole to dive down um because traditionally i don't i don't know a lot about this and i wouldn't say that i do now um but i know a lot more than i did like three months ago because i've been doing a ton of research and trying to make sure that I don't...

Starting point is 01:19:26 This is hilarious. This is probably the least tech whan show in a very long time and people are loving it. So dumb. What even is this show? I have no idea anymore. I can... If you want to target other areas

Starting point is 01:19:44 and there's way better people to talk to about this than me but I can send you like a thing like a like a workout thing yeah uh I'm not gonna do it okay I'll tell you right now I'm just not gonna do it if I was there no okay no I just wouldn't invite you over I feel like that sounds like a lot of work we have to go somewhere else anyways oh yeah don't have oh like at a gym yeah I'll do it once okay yeah yeah no i'll do it once i'll do it once i'll i'll try it and i will be open-minded but i'm not gonna like it yeah i i always hated it and i i've talked to linus with us i i only ever liked doing things that were really sports specific it's like something that i really used to enjoy was was pushing weighted sleds sure because to me it's

Starting point is 01:20:24 like okay this is similar to rugby or football. Which I'm going to have to do this. Yeah. So I might as well be good at it. This is really specific. I like this. I never really liked just like lifting weights. Sure.

Starting point is 01:20:35 Because I always wanted to train the sport instead of train strength. But recently there's like health reasons why I'm doing this. And that is motivating. Yeah. why I'm doing this. And that is motivating. Yeah. So I'm doing it for that. And that's why I was saying like I'm focusing really on injury prevention and stuff like that because I'm like the goal is health reasons. So I don't want to if I hurt myself, that's a big negative for health reasons. Yeah. So like, yeah, it's that I have found that to be motivating for getting into the gym

Starting point is 01:21:05 because I have started to feel significantly better. Like losing the weight when I was just focused on that was good mentally and physically. I felt a lot better. I could tell you, I could tell you felt different. Yeah. Yeah. And now I have not lost. I was losing weight fairly rapidly, I think.

Starting point is 01:21:23 And then in the, in the course of the last month, I have actually not lost any was losing weight fairly rapidly i think and then in the in the course of the last month i have actually not lost any weight at all my waist size has gone down but i have not lost weight because i've been converting right yeah i've been working on composition so i'm more focused on reducing fat amounts and stuff like that i don't really care about weight anymore for you to get me dragged out to the gym the best way to do it would be to make it work so why don't we do a float plane exclusive okay linus's first gym session in 20 plus years sure and we'll just we'll drag a shooter out with us we'll take someone from the social team or something like that and we'll do it okay we could use like my terrible apartment gym or something sure or whatever because i don't know

Starting point is 01:22:04 about filming like doing professional filming in gy whatever because i don't know about filming like doing professional filming in gyms well it won't be professional filming it'll just be a float plane exclusive so it'll shut one like an iphone or whatever yeah yeah it should be fine yeah sure i mean people have got to be like filming themselves in the gym all the time yeah yeah there's no way yeah yeah yeah i just said like if we showed up with someone with a camcorder on camera and stuff. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about some tech. AMD announced their Ryzen 7000 non-X and Ryzen 7000 X3D chips at CES.

Starting point is 01:22:36 They made a lot of noise about these. And they're pretty exciting. Okay, so last gen, the 5800X3D, was kind of worse than the regular 5800X. Overclocking was locked. It was clear that AMD had some challenges. They had to get the voltages dialed in perfectly for this thing. If I recall correctly, the clock speeds weren't even quite as high as the regular 5800X. Don't quote me on that one. The point is, this time around,

Starting point is 01:23:07 the X3Ds are pretty darn aggressive. Base frequencies are lower, but turbo frequencies look like they are pretty equivalent to their non-X3D counterparts. That's exciting, because they have double the level 3 cache, so we should see that same kind of gaming uplift, we hope.

Starting point is 01:23:31 But they not only are going to have the extra cache, but they're actually coming in at lower TDPs, 120 watts versus 170 watts. I'm pretty excited about these. But I'm also really liking the look of the regular non-X 7000 series chips. And here, it's less about the specs and more about the difference in price. The 7900 is over $100 less than the X. It is theoretically, anyway, closer to a third of the power consumption

Starting point is 01:23:58 than to half of it. Same cache, nearly the same turbo frequency, and much lower base frequencies. We see that on the 77 and the 7600s as well. But man, these things could be gaming monsters for a much lower price and much lower power consumption, which is a big deal these days. Meanwhile, Intel launched T-Series and regular non-K-Series chips that completely slipped under our radar. They're supposedly launched.

Starting point is 01:24:29 I can't see anywhere you can buy them. And I didn't see a single review. We didn't even get so much as a heads up that these things were coming, let alone review samples. Which leads me to believe that this could be bad. Here's the info on these they are mistakenly labeled as unlocked apparently they are in fact not unlocked uh where is that i don't i don't actually see that here but it's in my oh yeah there it is oh it's up at the top sorry it's right here at the top. Sorry. It's right here at the top. Core unlocked desktop processors. Note, they are apparently not unlocked. And so not only are they not unlocked for overclocking,

Starting point is 01:25:14 but they also have more limited performance. Their TDPs are 65 or 35 watts, but turbo power can go as high as 219 watts on a Core i9-13900. But it won't do that forever. K-series chips will boost forever as of 12th gen, but non-K chips have power limits and will downclock to base clock after boosting for long enough. The Core i5-13600 and below also have some interesting characteristics. Level 2 cache drops to 11.5 versus 20 megabytes for the K variant. Remember how I was just talking about AMD's X3D chips and how adding more cache can be really great for gaming?

Starting point is 01:25:48 Well, you can probably extrapolate what taking cache away is likely to do. Leaked slides showing this led to speculation that these chips are actually derived from Alder Lake. Oh, instead of Raptor Lake. Interesting. I doubt that. I doubt that. There are some improvements over 12th Gen. So the i5s have more E cores, apparently. Okay, so that's cool. Yeah, no, okay. Anthony wrote in here that they did not seed review samples at all. So, okay. But at least, hey, you get, oh, Newegg has them now them now let's see are they actually in stock can i buy one yes i can and you get a free intel screwdriver with purchase what intel's competing with me now it's just gonna say what's going on here intel where's the screwdriver what's

Starting point is 01:26:36 it look like is it ratcheting okay well there they are so we're gonna have to get on this and either intel's gonna have to send us some samples or we're just going to have to buy them because I want to know what the crap is going on. Oh, yeah. Here's something you won't find that Intel also quietly did on any promotional slides, but they quietly increased the

Starting point is 01:26:58 price of most 12th gen chips by 10%. So this actually makes 12th gen more expensive than 13th gen um okay our discussion question is what is intel trying to hide with these quiet launches and price adjustments maybe that its name competes with one of the biggest media companies in the world t-series thanks thanks for that and how is intel expecting these to keep up with AMD's also just announced Ryzen 7000 non-X processors?

Starting point is 01:27:30 Maybe they're not, which is why they shadow launched it. Yeah, I guess so. It's a little weird. Yeah. Good luck, Intel. Yeah. Speaking of good luck, Dell apparently wants to phase out chips made in China by 2024. Yeah. Dell apparently wants to phase out chips made in China by 2024. Yeah, Dell plans to stop using Chinese-made semiconductors in all its products,

Starting point is 01:27:50 including chips produced by foreign suppliers inside China. They're also telling suppliers to reduce the amount of other made-in-China components in products. Dell is reportedly concerned about U.S.-China tensions after the U after the US added Chinese memory chipmaker YTMC and 21 other major companies in China's AI sector to a trade block list in December. Dell also expects to move 50% of production and assembly capacity outside of China by 2025. Most major brands are now sourcing most components from Taiwan and South Korea. Apple has moved a tiny fraction of their production to Vietnam, but the Vietnamese labor force is less than 7% the size of China's, with only 12% of those being classed as highly skilled. Interesting moves.

Starting point is 01:28:45 This might... China's creating a lot of their own problems right now, but they're also... I also kind of feel for the companies there. A lot of this has nothing to do with them. Like this is a tough situation all around. Speaking of China, by the way, I did get some details wrong

Starting point is 01:29:03 on the situation with the Michaels. The whole thing where they arrested the Huawei CFO. I'm not going to say she did nothing wrong because Huawei is a shady, shady company. But that particular thing was a little more complicated than just she did something illegal and it was bad and should have been arrested so there was a lot of political uh political 4d chess going on is all i'll really say about it at this point the main takeaway from last week though was not the details the point was i'm not traveling somewhere that arbitrarily detains Canadians. That's it.

Starting point is 01:29:47 Yeah. It's interesting, though, because if... Okay. Sorry. No, I'm going to jump in with this. Sue for AWS in floatplane chat. Why feel sorry for Chinese companies? They're owned and controlled by the Chinese Communist Party at the end of the day. Not all of them.

Starting point is 01:30:04 That's why. We'll end that that that's my whole point they did you answered your own question okay yeah uh what i'm saying is this might be an interesting like business move for dell uh i mean they they sort of directly called it out. But if one of the companies that they work with gets put on a block list, that could be extremely disruptive if it happens suddenly. But if they try to get ahead of the curve on this, and work with companies that aren't going to be put on a block list, because those companies are outside of there, say in Taiwan or elsewhere, or Vietnam or whatever um yeah less disruption in the supply chain is good when you have a supply chain it's going to be hard to have less

Starting point is 01:30:52 disruption in the supply chain i forget what the numbers are but it's like a like a an incredible percentage of earth's rare earth metals are mined in china like There is no semiconductor industry as we know it. Or in places where China runs the mining. Yeah, that's a whole other thing. Yeah. Ooh! Yeah. Okay, moving on. I feel like we should do more

Starting point is 01:31:18 merch messages, but there's probably other topics in here that we should hit. Yeah, I think there's a couple others that we... I wanted to talk about EA not being able to recover 60% of players corrupted Madden save hit. Yeah, I think there's a couple others that we... I wanted to talk about EA not being able to recover 60% of players' corrupted Madden save files. Now, obviously, I don't play Madden, so I don't really have any skin in this particular game, but here's what went down.

Starting point is 01:31:34 Madden NFL 23 has had server-side issues for months, with the latest being a temporary data storage issue that led to the corruption of many players' connected franchise mode save games being lost. There's the corruption of many last week, anyway save games being lost um there's the corruption of many last week anyway for about 14 hours between december 28th and 29th players trying to access the cfm server got an error message saying leagues were unavailable if you

Starting point is 01:31:54 tried to log in during this time your save data was corrupted unfortunately this period came just hours after a twitter post letting players know that they could now play CFM without issue. This was after developers fixed a previous problem in the game, meaning that more players than normal may have tried to log in during this period. You want to know what a depressing piece of information? Sure. I have not fully validated this. I just heard this from someone.

Starting point is 01:32:19 I don't remember who. Sorry, whoever it was. FIFA Ultimate Team. The like, not completely, but people are going to get mad at me if i say it because there's money printing machine yeah pay to win soccer basically um football but yes it's not because you can still be better than the other player shut up um pay to win fifa soccer just brought in by itself just fifa ultimate team more than elden ring made this year elden ring was game of the year wow and was like mass sometimes game of the year wins they're not necessarily like the most popular thing but elden ring was extremely popular oh yeah yeah. It was a cultural moment.

Starting point is 01:33:06 Absolutely. FIFA Ultimate Team still made more money. Annihilated it. Destroyed. So you wonder why the games industry is going the way that it is. So the reason that I wanted to talk about this save game thing is that I have as someone who has

Starting point is 01:33:22 lost save files and then ultimately just never gone back and finished the game because of how disheartening that was, I feel for these guys. This sucks, and this is a huge part of why I get so angry at Nintendo for locking cloud

Starting point is 01:33:38 saves on a portable device to people who pay a subscription. That should be illegal. This is why I get this is why this is why i didn't play fantasia for so long that rpg yeah um from hirinobu sakaguchi i think is his name but basically uh one of one of the guys that worked on final fantasy 6 like my all-time mostly favorite game i would have said all-time through through nostalgia glasses it's my favorite game but there's probably games I've played since then that I

Starting point is 01:34:06 think objectively are better. But one of my all-time favorite games, and the reason that I didn't play it was because it was exclusive to Apple Arcade. And I just, I had no way of knowing, I had no way of controlling that save file. Any save file that isn't on a server that I control doesn't exist, as far as I'm concerned. And I just... This is why. This is my problem. Because if I lose it... Alright. I lost it.

Starting point is 01:34:34 That sucks, but that's on me. That's on me, yeah. If somebody else loses it, that is crap. That's garbage. That's garbage and I hate it. But I caved. I was at Costco right before Christmas. Picked up an Apple TV.

Starting point is 01:34:50 I've been playing Fantasia. It's great. I love it. And the reason is that I always just assumed it would get ported to something else at some point. And so I just like waited passively, just waited and waited and waited. It's been a long time now.

Starting point is 01:35:04 Part two's out. Okay, I'm going to keep waiting. Apple funded the whole damn thing. Oh, it's never going anywhere else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:15 Yeah. Yikes. Did we do the LTX update? I'm going to try and play it before I have to actually pay for arcade though. But I did buy an Apple TV. You didn't return it? No, part of the reason I bought the Apple TV. No, that's not why I bought it at Costco.

Starting point is 01:35:31 Part of the reason I bought the Apple TV is because I've been so bullish on the Shield for so long. But I realized, like, you know, whether it's our admittedly ignorant conversation about Roku, or whether it's Apple TV, I conversation about roku or whether it's apple tv i actually haven't tried a lot of other platforms so i also want to just try it i've never tried an apple tv and we're on like the eighth generation of this apparently popular device at this point so i was like okay it cost me 119 or whatever and i can i can try this I can try this thing I've never tried before and I can also play this game I really want to play. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:11 Makes sense. Did we do the weekly update for LTX? No. Sarah made some wallpapers for LTX 2023 and they look amazing. Exciting. Is that it? No, there we go hey that is actually that's cute uh these are for the different the different levels of of whale land hey the dolphin

Starting point is 01:36:34 whale hell yeah that's the winner then there's night mode night mode whale oh that's the winner. Then there's Night Mode. Night Mode Whale. Oh, that's so sick. Yeah, leave it to Sarah. Yeah, those are cool. We've got some really cool desk pad designs coming. I signed off on one recently that I absolutely love, actually done by Maria. Whaleland desk pad. I guess technically, yeah, her job is like graphic designer, but what she mostly does is thumbnails.

Starting point is 01:37:01 So I never really thought of her as graphic designer. I thought of her as thumbnail specialist. So when I like oh yeah who did this one it's like maria i was like oh what oh okay yeah right right that makes sense yeah yeah uh we're getting ready for sales this month likely during wan oh wan show on the 27th we're being that clear okay okay good luck that weekend want to pick a time that works for as many people as possible but we know that someone will always be inconvenienced it's literally there's last ltx people came from all over the world there are literally more than 24 time zones yeah there's only so much we can do to make sure that everyone gets a fair crack at it yeah um we

Starting point is 01:37:41 can also probably do a preview of the ticket store slash page once things are further along okay cool cool tesla finally announces why is this in here do we care round steering wheel you picked this i picked this whole thing why would you pick this because i think it's really funny oh because they gave up because the yoke because their stock is? Because the yoke... Because their stock is like... Because the yoke made me so irrationally angry. I do not like being told... But it's a race car. I do not like being told how I am allowed to use my... Okay?

Starting point is 01:38:18 I don't like it. And I think that while it might make sense in a track car... Yokes are cool if you only turn them 90 degrees. Yes. Or like a little bit more. It just... I considered a Tesla at some point, because you know I bought a new car.

Starting point is 01:38:37 Yeah. The Yoke was such an... Much better choice, by the way. Absolute, absolute... deal breaker deal breaker there was no way that i was going to buy a vehicle that had a silly yoke for its steering wheel um and to the point where i actually looked up like third-party replacements and oh man it is sad how desperate people got to get rid of the yoke. I couldn't find anywhere that actually had like a nicely molded and wrapped like real replacement steering wheel. But what you can buy is like an awful clip on stupid cringe like steering wheel completer for the yoke.

Starting point is 01:39:21 And so when I saw this i kind of went i just really like it when super arrogant companies that have the balls to dictate to the user the better way that you didn't want and you're telling me you don't like but it's better i love it when they backtrack it was funny when i love it blizzard did that in a pretty legendary way when they were like they were talking about wow classic and the the guy was asking for it and the person on stage was like he said you think you do but you don't and he was talking about like people wanting wild classic and then they released it and they're like no one's really gonna play it and stuff and then everyone played it until they ruined it again yeah basically yeah

Starting point is 01:40:08 pretty epic classic no that's blizzard speaking of other major companies microsoft asks chat gpt how do i hold on hold on there was one small detail okay um you can actually retrofit it now. Tesla will retrofit your yoke garbage with a steering wheel, and it'll cost you $700. I wonder how many people are going to do that. Frankly, I would pay it. 100%. Okay, yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:37 Microsoft chat GPT. Oh, wow. Panos Pene. Hopefully I said that correct. I am very sorry. The man in charge of windows told an audience at ces that the ai engine in amd's new 7000 series chips is going to in quotes reinvent how you do everything in windows that's a big statement he did not elaborate on how but some

Starting point is 01:40:59 journalists have been speculating that one improvement is going to be windows search i doubt it windows search has to be bad on purpose at this point. That's actually, I feel that way as well. It's atrociously bad. And it's been atrociously bad for a really long time. Yeah. Search genuinely on like Windows 7 is far better. Search on Windows 98 SE is better than the current search, honestly.

Starting point is 01:41:22 Wild, genuinely wild. is better than the current surge, honestly. Wild, genuinely wild. In 2019, OpenAI entered an exclusive computing deal with Microsoft. All their offerings since then, from DALL-E to ChatGPT, have run on Azure servers. This $1 billion exclusivity deal

Starting point is 01:41:40 is expected to extend to the desktop and perhaps also other parts of microsoft's business he called this i called this hard called this so hard i don't remember whether it was on wan show or not i think it was private i will vouch for you i appreciate he called this super hard like immediately after we talked about chat gpt okay go yeah microsoft is apparently in talks with open ai about implementing chat gpt into b, which is specifically what I called out, to improve search results and overall user experience. I mean, people, even without active access to the Internet, people just stopped Googling things and started typing questions into chat GPT with an active connection. Yeah, literally, like, right when

Starting point is 01:42:25 ChatGPT launched, I started looking into OpenAI a little bit more, saw that Microsoft had this billion-dollar investment with technical exclusivity and all this type of stuff, and I was like, I see exactly where this is going. It's Bing. Because for whatever reason, the thing that they won't drop is Bing.

Starting point is 01:42:43 They've wanted Bing to work for so long so bad just doesn't push it so hard and it sucks so much binged thing is the word google um which has got to be so brutal yikes and now they have chat gpt and one of the main things that was said about chat gpt when it first came out um not i don't see it as much these days but when it first came out was that this was going to replace search. Not in its current iteration. And the biggest reason why is its main data set is from 2021.

Starting point is 01:43:11 You can find more recent stuff on it and there is some more recent stuff on it, but it wasn't trained as extensively on recent stuff. And it's not able to search the internet. It's not searching more modern things on the internet, et cetera, et cetera. So with proper internet integration, or if like Microsoft does the internet stuff, like maybe

Starting point is 01:43:32 chat GPT doesn't search the internet, but Bing does look a little bit and get some resources and supplements your input, and then spits an output from chat GPT for you. Also, and then spits an output from chat gpt for you um also um what's it called 4.0 the thing that it's running on currently starting on 3.0 yeah um the like engine that runs the large language model that's just gpt4 gpt yeah yeah gpt3 is what we're currently using. GPT-4 is coming and it's a massive, massive, massive, massive improvement. So if they launch this with GPT-4 and it has some ability to scrape things from the internet, whether that's Bing feeding it information or what, it's going to be wild. Like Bing could literally win. Like overnight.

Starting point is 01:44:23 Yeah. And meanwhile, Google search is, I swear it's getting worse. It feels like it's getting worse. All the time. There is, and I know some people can be like, Google has stuff too. Yes. Google has large language models. Google has these types of things behind the scenes.

Starting point is 01:44:38 It seems to be also intentionally making your search results worse. But that. I feel like Microsoft wants to win enough that they won't do it yet yet and then they'll win and then they'll do it because this is how everything works yeah but like in the short term i feel like they're they're gonna focus on it being really good yeah jayden says in chat chat gpt actually gives me freaking answers to my questions as opposed to google searches where i have to sift through sites, disable my ad block, see 10 billion ads, and then try to read through an article that wafts for 60 paragraphs. Have I told you my trick for reading articles these days?

Starting point is 01:45:15 I skipped to the third paragraph. Oh, interesting. The first two paragraphs are almost always useless. And I learned this from, I won't name him, but I learned this from a friend of mine who used to write articles for a website that reviews phones. And some people might guess, but... Is this someone I know? Yeah. He informed me that a lot of the,

Starting point is 01:45:38 like the first bits of articles are there to make you scroll down. So you see more ads. Yeah. Because I told them like, like oh i do this thing where i skip to the third paragraph because i feel like that's where the articles often start right and he's like well yeah sort of like not not i wasn't like exactly on point or whatever the lab's website will not work like that if we have an intro it'll be because that's information you need. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:05 Okay. The labs website in its current form basically has a TLDR at the top. So it's like almost the opposite. The labs website in its current form is a money losing machine. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Heck yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:19 Let's go keep buying screwdrivers. Yeah. And backpacks. Buy lots of backpacks to put your screwdrivers in yeah yeah this is a lot of topics are we getting through all these we can no i don't think so i'm here for it i mean oh well i think we have to talk about the um repair shop owners claiming that standing your ps5 vertically can kill the console whoa yeah that's right many in the repair community have seen the liquid metal thermal interface material that sony is using leak from between the apu and the cooler i wonder who could have warned them that this might happen we killed some stuff we killed a razor phone

Starting point is 01:46:58 we killed a really nice laptop i'm pretty sure we killed the desktop board at some point and the problem is that liquid metal is liquid and gravity works um this blew up recently from a pair of tweets uh from a french repair technician that has been discussed in the repair community for some time uh the the coder a youtuber specializing in repairing consoles posted a video three months ago of him repairing a PS5 that he claims had sat vertically in its packaging for months and refused to boot once sold. In the video, he peels the seal around the APU and shows obvious liquid metal leakage. He's able to remove the liquid metal and cover the area around the APU with conformal coating, fixing the issue.

Starting point is 01:47:41 And he says this is a design flaw on Sony's part. I actually don't necessarily agree with that assessment the correct design would seal in the liquid metal properly so that it doesn't leak out at all not to conformal coat anywhere that it could leak onto um conformal coating is a band-aid not a real solution in my in my opinion um i mean obviously you might manipulate the object yeah in in well okay the idea is that the conformal coding is around it in all directions so that if it does leak it won't actually uh bridge any contacts and cause a short right but by that time you've kind of already lost the game you're just kind of delaying the inevitable until you can formal coat the entire inside and at that

Starting point is 01:48:29 point why don't we just put it in a liquid metal bath right i'm i'm obviously being facetious at this point but i just i think that a better seal is the better solution um another french repair shop posted about this leakage issue on Facebook back in August and October of this year. PlayStation-focused news site PushSquare called these reports questionable and claimed that those discussing the issue are saying something bad needs to happen to the seal protecting it for this to happen. Okay, yeah, the discussion question is what should Sony have done? I mean, I don't know, because I'm not an engineer,

Starting point is 01:49:06 and I don't know the right solution for sealing liquid metal. I know that Asus has been using it in their laptops for a while. To my knowledge, there's no widespread failures, but I'd love to, yeah, I'd love to hear from you guys if you know of anyone who has done liquid metal well.

Starting point is 01:49:26 Replace it. Replace your PS5 head gasket every 20,000 miles. A pugnitol suggests maybe it's a time thing. Maybe if we went back to before 1655, we wouldn't have this problem before Sir Isaac Newton discovered gravity. Oh, nice, yeah. Yeah, then it wouldn't leak.

Starting point is 01:49:43 That makes sense. That seems pretty good. Yeah. In the meantime, if you have a PlayStation 5, maybe lay it flat. Cool. Let's do AMD finally admits the RX 7900 XTX overheating was caused by a defective vapor chamber. AMD finally admitted that the overheating issue affecting Radeon rx 7900 xtx graphics cards is

Starting point is 01:50:06 caused by a manufacturing defect womp womp the admission comes yeah there's a lot in here but basically derbauer did a good job and amd says they'll replace any affected cards hey the issues they're apparently very low on stock because they actually made a good gpu for a change so that's tough that's a tough situation um let's do some merch messages yeah okay all right let's get you some here first one's from anonymous luke or linus hey i liked that hack you did by the way big fan there's a lot of them it's a very common name i think well they're they're just super into ltt they're really technical okay those folks uh luke or linus what are your thoughts about pen test learning tools like flipper zero becoming more available to individuals with the intent to meme or troll definitely anonymous uh flippers can read nfc copy slash replicate key fobs and emit ir

Starting point is 01:51:02 signals there's been there's been been tools that you could use maliciously available to everyone on the planet since humans started making tools. I don't think that's a... A hammer is a malicious tool if you use it to pry open a door. Yeah, like I don't think being all concerned about people having access to flipper zeros and doing trolly things with it is a good or legitimate argument.

Starting point is 01:51:31 I think it's really cool that someone who might be interested in learning how to defend against those types of attacks or someone who might be interested in working on pen testing or a pen testing career or whatever, even if you're just interested in checking out what vulnerabilities your own workplace or your own personal setup or whatever might have. I think it's very cool that people can have access to a device like a Flipper Zero. I think Flipper Zeros are fantastic. and they're they're yeah they're just cool yeah could i use man you can do lots with them key fobs suck is there a device that will like that will like clone your key fob because the key fob for my new car is huge it's horrible and now that um now that there's three cars

Starting point is 01:52:27 that I could potentially have to drive. Oh, so you want to be able to switch which one it is? I only want one. How's that not a product? And I understand why it's not a product, but if carjackers have them, then I want them. For real, though. No, I hear you.

Starting point is 01:52:43 I've got a Flipper Zero on my desk. We could try it. Yeah. might be a fun thing to do yeah lots you can there might be uh there might be some some wear and tear on the vehicle once you're done trying it is that is that where we're going with this i was gonna let you play with it but okay uh i am jacoby keeps releasing really cool payloads for uh flipper zero as well uh i think you guys featured him in a video fairly recently uh because of contributions that he made as well um but yeah i'll check him out he makes really good videos too um but like what i was technically just referring to was his github page uh but he makes cool videos, etc, etc. There's lots of cool things you can do with it.

Starting point is 01:53:27 It's a very interesting field to start messing around with if you are interested in in tech. So yeah, I would not discourage it. There's like, there's always been stuff used to be able to buy these flash drives from Oh, I'm not gonna be able to remember the company name but they had they had a uh a slide out there wasn't a ton of flash drives at the time that had that it was like retractable i had no idea whatever it doesn't matter but they had they had a thing i don't remember what it's called but it would it would open a prompt when you plugged it into your computer. And it was supposed to emulate a CD or something. I don't remember what it was.

Starting point is 01:54:09 But there was crazy amounts of payloads you could deploy through that. And you could buy those at Best Buy. It's just a flash drive. Huh. And you just download payloads offline. I think they were called uh switchblade and hacksaw back in the day um hack 5 rubber ducky yeah yeah yeah yeah um like these these are people can make malicious tools out of whatever yeah like they're man imagine the kinds of

Starting point is 01:54:40 malicious tools they could make if they had a hammer that turned into a crowbar. I checked for updates on that recently. There are none. I wonder if we ever reached out and offered to buy them. No. Did we not? You told me to and I decided not to do it. I'm messaging Nick.

Starting point is 01:54:56 Oh my goodness. It's so stupid. I don't want to do it. It's not even like a very... Anyways, not gonna get too far into it you're just sending the email anyway so it doesn't matter oh yeah i'm not listening to you even a little i'm messaging nick and kyle so you know i'm really serious oh no oh man maybe there's a reason why it's been in product development, maybe, for like, what, like 10 years? Maybe we shouldn't take this on. Or maybe we, who took three years to build a screwdriver, have just the kind of tenacity that it takes to push this thing over the finish line. A screwdriver is like a product that exists.

Starting point is 01:55:42 Yeah. A screwdriver is like a product that exists. Yeah. A hammer that splits in half and is a crowbar and is a wrench and is all these other types of things. That sounds cool. Let's make it. I am so sorry, Kyle. I tried.

Starting point is 01:55:56 Hit me, Dan. I'll take two. Here's one from Arturo. Linus, you had your Steam Deck for a while. How do you feel about the Gilly Kit Outer Dead Zone? I find that it defeats the whole purpose of the product. Sad face. I don't daily drive the one that got the Gilly Kit sticks in it.

Starting point is 01:56:18 I did not know about the Outer Dead Zone on their Hall Effect joysticks. I will have to get back to you on that. Or I probably won't get back to you on that. But I will keep that in mind next time i'm looking at a hall effect joystick particularly one from ghillie kit i didn't notice uh but i only i only used that in the time you guys saw me use it uh that's the like modded steam deck that lives here with the like heat sink hanging off the back of it and stuff no one daily drives that it's more of like a prop at this point got one here from william hi i'm hi love from taiwan how do you feel about the tsmc renewed additional 28 billion investment in its arizona fab plant and how is it going to affect the chip production industry it's tms uh it's cut off here sorry um it will lower prices which will be good for us

Starting point is 01:57:09 will it well it depends if china demand is so high it just won't matter well demand is not that high for cutting edge nodes okay cutting edge which is interesting like why does it keep running into me thank you where did it even go um in your crotch actually it's right oh yeah that's right buddy yeah it's right there how's it going friend oh it's uh yep it's in his crotch okay cool so anyway um i mean we've we've we've seen that apparently the latest nodes are um not even necessarily shrinking the same way that they used to i think it was uh caches are not really are not really getting smaller uh on on like the the latest shrinks you'll have to forgive me this is stuff

Starting point is 01:57:59 that i haven't like prepared i didn't get ready to make a video about it or anything i think it's for an animator or something like that TSMC, where they're basically saying like, yeah, caches aren't going to get smaller. So cool. So your compute will, your logic will, but your caches won't. So we're already seeing AMD release products that are using chiplets that are built on a variety of nodes because only some of their functions are benefiting from these shrinks. So with that in mind, if the industry is moving towards chiplet-based designs, demand for

Starting point is 01:58:29 these top-tier, top-spec nodes could actually go down. GPU sales are at their lowest in like ever or something like that. Not ever, but in a very long time. And so phone SoCs, apparently Qualcomm is on the fence as to whether or not they will even use 4nm this year. I think it's 4nm. I think it's 4nm from TSMC. I think Apple's locked in, but basically nobody else is right now.

Starting point is 01:59:02 So obviously, I'd love to see more capacity because theoretically that means lower prices for consumers but if they get bit really hard on this it could slow down development in the future then again intel is going to be breathing down their throat theoretically with their like third-party fab business all right okay this one's from eric hey guys mkbhd released a video lately addressing how iphone cameras are getting worse over time tldr post-processing ruined smartphone photos which i personally agree what do you guys think i mean what else do you want them to do they can't put a big fat sensor in it. Well, they can actually. Okay.

Starting point is 01:59:46 Do you think they should just stagnate? Well, no. Do you think adding more post-processing, which could potentially ruin photos or whatever, is actually good? Or is it just a marketing attempt to move it forward? Yeah, I mean, I never use like, um, heavily computational photo modes. Like I, I never use things like portrait mode or anything like that. So, uh, but on the other hand, I can under ideal conditions, they, they can outperform a less

Starting point is 02:00:22 assisted, um, photo pipeline. So i don't know what the right answer is here guys to be perfectly honest with you i mean bigger sensors yeah but the thing about bigger sensors is bigger sensors cost money on every device better software costs money once yeah and then you can have cheaper devices so obviously that's the route that Apple prefers, but I don't see an obvious solution here. Okay. This one's from Eric. Hi, Luke and Linus. Have you guys seen any of the rumors

Starting point is 02:00:57 for the next GPUs after the 7900s? If so, what are your thoughts on them? And do you think they have a chance to beat NVIDIA? I don't know. I've never cared about rumor mill stuff yeah that's that's such a long way off i think there's just nothing to really talk about at this point yeah sorry xxx explosive xxx that is the most hell yeah 2008 username play some call of duty ever yeah hi linus happy new year and what are your goals for the company here in 2023 um my goals are really focused on labs this year i think that i've made that abundantly clear throughout the show uh pretty much every other part of the company is tied into labs in some way, whether it's Creator Warehouse

Starting point is 02:01:46 creating merch around the Lab or with the help of the Lab. Labs exists to test things for ourselves internally as well, whether it's Floatplane's potential biggest customer becoming the Labs website, whether it's LTT leaning on Labs data for much, much better videos. I loved our 4070 Ti review. I think there's things that we can improve in the video format. I think that retention wasn't as high as I'd like to see. So there's probably some things that we can cut once we have supplementary reading. And we can just kind of point people to that if they want more detail and we can do more of a tldr style video but man the detail that we had the the data we had the the how early we knew what our angle was going to be for it compared to when we were trying to do all the testing ourselves with the

Starting point is 02:02:35 writing team was awesome that's the bar that we want to be at for any of our editorial content. And it's not going to happen overnight. Yeah, it's not going to happen overnight. But in time, man, this kind of stuff that we're working on, whether it's automating the creation of graphs, or whether it's better automating our test processes, we're working on, actually, this will be a video. So we're going to be doing a video where we get a whole bunch of the same CPU, and like source them from all kinds of different places, samples from Intel, buying them from Newegg, buying them here in retail in Canada, waiting a month, doing all the same, all of those again, to make sure that these are from different batches produced at different times sent to different places. and then what we want to do is

Starting point is 02:03:25 we want to put them all on in the same motherboard and see what the performance differences are because if we could parallelize our testing more man we could do a lot of testing but we need to know if they actually perform the same before we can just set up a bunch of parallel test benches right exciting hey hayden asks hey guys any tips on how to run an efficient pre-production meeting i work as a technical director for a local news station and it can be challenging to get everyone on the same page for our daily show curious to hear how you plan slash coordinate before you're shooting content? Um, that's an interesting question. A pre-production meeting. I mean, tips for running an efficient meeting in general are just cut out anything that you don't have to do. As for getting everyone on the same page, I feel like this is one of those

Starting point is 02:04:21 things that I honestly have a bit of a blind spot for at this point. I've been in charge for so long that I kind of forget how hard it is to build consensus if you're not, if your name isn't on the building. And I don't, I, the point of this is not for you guys to go, oh, this is so out of touch. The point is that I'm telling you that I don't really know how to do that anymore. Like I'll ask questions. Oh, okay. Actually, okay. There.

Starting point is 02:04:50 Yeah. Asking questions, getting people's input, demonstrating that you've heard it and then setting a course. So that's the part that I... I was going to say, I think it's more course setting here. You guys plan out what people are going to work on,

Starting point is 02:05:06 then trust they're going to work on it fairly well, and then at the very end you have, like, script review, and then it's out. Yeah. I didn't even know we planned things here. Hey. Okay, moving on from Richard. Hi, LTT.

Starting point is 02:05:22 After watching the BTS vid you put on YouTube, I might need to get a Floatplane sub now. Do you find it hard to build a team of both people who are interested both in technology and people who are interested in making videos? Yeah, it can be tough. I mean, some of our hiring practices have been controversial when we've talked about them on the show. I mean, well, that was bad um but i'm i'm talking specifically about how like we don't like to discuss salary until we've already figured out if we think someone's going to be a good fit if they're going to be passionate about the work just because we want people who are passionate doesn't mean we don't want to pay them well it just means that

Starting point is 02:06:00 we want people who are passionate like i'll'll see people talk about that in the chat. They'll be like, well, I've never worked for a company that's like that. And it's like, good, go away. I don't want you here. No problem. Like I said, and I get it. People have probably been burned

Starting point is 02:06:17 by stuff like that before. Like, oh, anytime you hear someone talk about how we want to run it more like a family business, red flag, red flag, red flag. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, that's that's you know in a lot of ways that's just coded language for we want you to work for free like our family members would i get it yeah but that's how we did it we found people who are who would do it anyway and then paid them to do it better and do it more like i don't know what to tell you yeah got an anonymous question here i've been working in startups for nearly 10 years

Starting point is 02:06:54 and dealing with vcs always hold on hold on i love this the badger hound yeah that's a demonstrably awful hiring practice compensation should be in the ad. Good for you. It's demonstrably worked great for us. Demonstrably is a word that actually has a meaning. My example, and I always like apologize when we get to this part of the call, but my example that I give is for development hiring. You can maybe guess by looking at our audience that there might be a lot of developers in the audience. So when we put up jobs for developers, a lot of developers in the audience. So when we put up jobs for developers,

Starting point is 02:07:26 one of the positions in particular got over 10,000 applications. They don't always get that. It got that because there was a shout out in a video. Usually what's more realistic is a little bit less than a thousand, but still like tons. And I want the best person potential for the job. So that's actually a pretty wide range.

Starting point is 02:07:45 There's a lot of potential solutions there. Also, if I'm hiring a bunch of people, like when we did the first wave of hiring for the whole labs web dev team, it's like, okay, I actually do sort of have a budget this time. That was a first. But I have a budget for the team. Yeah. I don't know how this is going to land. Maybe someone's a superstar. I don't want to bring them in.

Starting point is 02:08:08 So I would want to increase the budget for that role. I don't want to put out a fixed budget because maybe I get a melting pot of people that I think are going to be a really, really good solution. And this person's a super junior and this person's very, very experienced. Yeah. And maybe I have really, really high hopes for this junior,

Starting point is 02:08:24 but they are a junior they're not going to be able to contribute a ton immediately or or whatever like there's a bunch of different reasons why you might take in different people at different rates you sound very anti anti-worker right now do i believe it or not yeah you've actually you you've become like management which is really funny to me um one of the one of the articles that was an option for us to talk about on the show today was about some of the new laws in the States about advertising salary ranges in your want ads and how tech companies are skirting them.

Starting point is 02:08:58 So Netflix famously put up a posting for a job that had a salary range from $60,000 a year to I think either $500,000 or $600,000 a year. But the funny thing is, in that space... Hold on, hold on. The thing people were outraged about was that that leaves room for discrimination. People could have the same job and the same responsibilities, but at wildly different pay. But that's the same job and the same responsibilities, but at wildly different pay.

Starting point is 02:09:25 But that's the thing you got to understand. Just because they have the same job title don't mean they have the same responsibilities. Doesn't mean they have the same experience. Doesn't mean they're going to have the same output. So I see it from both sides here. You can. I see. I see it from both sides here. Yeah, I get it. I get it as well. It would be annoying. It would be a lot... If I was looking for jobs, it would be a lot clearer if I knew what the salary range or exact salary was

Starting point is 02:09:52 for that potential job. But then I also understand Netflix posting that because that... I think you mentioned it might be trolling. It might not be. No, no, I didn't say it was trolling.

Starting point is 02:10:02 Oh, okay. No. That might be totally legit because they might be interested in bringing in juniors yep maybe juniors that don't even have very much education at all or potentially like basically none and or very much experience or potentially basically none and netflix might be interested in like okay this person seems very driven and interested in some video stuff or whatever we want to bring them on but then there might be some superstar engineer

Starting point is 02:10:26 from somewhere else, and that might cost a ton, and they might be interested in them too. So like, I don't know. This is great. Every once in a while, Twitch chat says something brilliant. This ain't it.

Starting point is 02:10:36 King Canada Live. Output is largely dictated by operating conditions provided by the employer. That shouldn't be measured against salary. Well, if the operating conditions are the same... You're a f***ing idiot. If the operating conditions are the same across the board, then I don't necessarily see how that applies.

Starting point is 02:10:55 What? Have you ever met another human being? No, honestly, though. You don't think that there could possibly be some output difference under the same conditions between two people i think he was saying differing conditions but i don't see it output is largely dictated by the operating conditions provided by the employer yeah that's what i'm saying that shouldn't be measured against salary. But he didn't necessarily... So your output and your salary should just be disconnected

Starting point is 02:11:28 because it's your fault as the employer if their output sucks. Well, it could be. It could be, but also, um, no. I do think company and conditions play a lot in the role of output. Of course. But if your conditions are are

Starting point is 02:11:45 similar across the company then the opportunity for output should be unbelievable yeah yeah yeah yeah okay well let's get back to our venture capital yeah going from some money stuff i've been working on startups for nearly 10 years and dealing with venture capitals i assume that's what a vc is yeah always burns me out how do you guys keep going when business development shenanigans keep you down i don't deal with vcs yeah that was actually i i think i'm the one who curated this and that's what i was gonna say uh deal A deal. Every, I just, I, I was stuck at a,

Starting point is 02:12:26 at a table at like a social event with someone who worked as like a, like a VC person, like, you know, finding companies to fund and getting funding and whatever. And just like, even just socially, I couldn't stand it just like,

Starting point is 02:12:42 and to be clear, they were like nice enough, but just anytime they talked about that stuff i was just like oh i hate it i just hate everything about it um yeah okay this one's from pascal hey luke i'm a freelance back-end of programmer and hope to someday get hired by a real company what are your fears hiring a programmer with close to no experience working in a team uh the first non-infrastructure hire that i had was a programmer with uh little to no experience working with in a team and he's fantastic and it's still around so you're saying you don't have fears about that there are fears um there are concerns but there's concerns with everything um

Starting point is 02:13:26 so like i don't know um try to do okay you're not the hiring person i see this is framed so if you as the person doing the hiring try to do your job as well as you can well i guess you might do the hiring and not be the manager whatever so the person managing that person needs to try to do their job as well as possible and train that person to work in a team well um and as the person being hired try to be receptive to how the team works when you show up um try to work well within that team structure and then once you've been there for a bit if you have ideas and suggestions how they can change, then forward those, but try to get used to the structure that's there first. Yeah, I don't know. You got to start somewhere. Someone has to pick you up. And there's benefits to it as the company, because then you get to kind of help mold this person into working the

Starting point is 02:14:21 way that your company works. And there's negatives to it because maybe they won't maybe they'll clash with other members or maybe they'll they'll be really difficult to communicate with or whatever but try to work on those things a lot of people are receptive to that kind of stuff people don't usually in my experience like being really bad at things so i don't know yeah okay I've got one here from Scott your line of work means you get you must deal with a lot of useless criticism but it can't be all bad what's the most

Starting point is 02:14:54 helpful constructive criticism you have received from your community PS thanks for making a backpack that will fit all the tools I need to work in an IT closet nice helpful constructive criticism. I don't know if I could pick a single helpful constructive criticism because a lot of it's just like so specific.

Starting point is 02:15:13 It's like there's no one piece of, there's no one comment I ever read on YouTube that was like, oh yeah, big course correction. Let's go in this direction. But there's absolutely been a bunch of constructive criticism it's a thousand it's a thousand little nudges every day and and it's more like it's more like today there were 600 that pushed this way and 400 that pushed this way so we're kind of going a bit more this way and then over time it looks like we overcorrected. So we need to actually go back out this way. Like it's, um, I don't know. Part of what makes me able to do my job is that it's,

Starting point is 02:15:51 um, is that I, I just try to look at this gigantic cloud of data points and find a pattern in it. And I think I'm kind of able to do that. Okay. I don't, I don't think I'm great at it. There's definitely people who are better at it, but I think I'm kind of okay at it. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:16:19 Wrong one. Okay. I got one here from Patrick. My son's birthday is coming up. He wants a new gaming computer. He has shown interest in electronics and wants to put it together himself. Is there any company or manufacturer

Starting point is 02:16:30 that sells kits with pre-selected parts to build your own computer at home? I didn't think so, but I thought this was an interesting... Not to my knowledge. NCIX tried to do it at one point, but it just wasn't feasible because the whole point of a custom computer

Starting point is 02:16:47 is that you pick all your own crap. And as soon as you start trying to make it kind of pre-done for you, it's like, oh, well, I want that, but like, could I change the RAM? And then it's not really pre-done and it becomes really high touch is what we called it back in the day.

Starting point is 02:17:03 There is solutions though. I feel like I haven't talked about them in forever, but I assume- NZXT apparently has a kit. NZXT BLD? Build, yeah. Is that a kit though? Is build a kit?

Starting point is 02:17:20 Yeah, so Conrad just suggested exactly what I was going to suggest. Basically, PC part picker has pre-made lists you could just order that or like go on the uh that won't have instructions though i think they're kind of hoping for instructions instructions well yeah if it's okay so order that and then watch the ltd video that anthony made which is like the only build guide you'll ever need and then combine those two and then you're good. That's fair.

Starting point is 02:17:47 The other thing I was going to bring up is the build a PC subreddit or the PC build planning part of the forum. There's lots of resources out there where people will effectively give you a list of parts to buy. The PC part picker one, I'm pretty sure you can literally just like add all to cart and then buy and it'll work so it's an option next up i got one here from jacob why does nvidia and amd utilize third-party manufacturing of gpus instead of only in-house production wouldn't it be a better business decision similar to CPU production being only in-house? But riskier. That's the danger. Obviously, wouldn't it be a better business decision for us to build out injection molding facilities and, you know, metal tooling

Starting point is 02:18:38 facilities that are mass production capable if we're going to build a screwdriver? I mean, we'd probably get our per unit costs down eventually, but only if we were doing just wild amounts of volume. By comparison, if we just go to companies that specialize in these things, A, they have the experience, B, they have the equipment, and C, they have the volume because of all their other customers that it actually ends up being probably more cost effective. And we don't have to make all those investments up front. Someone else, you know, bought or leased that equipment 5, 10, maybe even 20 years ago in some cases. So it's like completely paid off. And we're just renting time on it effectively. So this is a simplified example, but it's fundamentally the same thing that's why amd divested themselves of their foundry business and it seems to be doing all the better for it

Starting point is 02:19:32 meanwhile intel fabs all their own chips and has been struggling like a you know mfr yeah this one's from aj i'm currently at work running an smt slash aio machine while watching when how did you like running an smt machine and making your own ram at micron oh it was awesome was that the first time you've ever seen the process no no the first time i saw the process was at um meridian actually i think that was the first time i saw it up close because they they make all the boards for their audio products in-house um because they apparently haven't learned about the benefits of working with third parties um and their products are really expensive go figure uh so no that wasn't the first time i've ever seen it but it was the first time i've ever gotten to to run the

Starting point is 02:20:22 machinery and like really like poke and prod at it and get all the solder paste um in the right spots and all that kind of stuff it was it was exactly the kind of thing that i geek out over all right got one here from andrew hi linus and luke watcher since the million subscriber days if given the choice today provided that you keep all your current memories would you go back 10 years and repeat those years again would you do anything different i don't think i would want to do it again 10 years of lmg man i would unquestionably go back i would press that button immediately really oh yeah what would you change like hard i'd potentially break it would you keep your current body or the 10 year ago body add a modifier to that is that is that a question yeah is that part of the question no it's not okay

Starting point is 02:21:17 you you would go back and do it again oh yeah you didn't raise three kids in that time no right yeah that might change the answer okay but i didn't so like yeah i'm pressing the button that doesn't that's not on my side of the table i yeah oh yeah and like what would i change lots of stuff i don't know i don't want to get like too specific but oh yeah like what do you mean the min maxing opportunities you keep all your memories that's a lot of knowledge yeah like what if i knew everywhere that things were going to go in the market and stuff and i could set up our like video production path to be more well aimed like i wouldn't want to make major changes because you don't want to risk like

Starting point is 02:22:05 breaking the whole system okay but here's a hypothetical because i know you've gone through this before have you ever written a video script lost your save file and gone back and tried to write it again is it always better oh no that's that's what i'm saying i wouldn't want to make major changes yeah but how would you avoid it you because that's the problem with trying to rewrite a script is you don't remember what you did right i'd still do it i'm still doing it i'm still pressing the button i understand there's problems i'm still doing it there's so much there's so much you could min max and i think you would create new problems but i think you would solve more problems than you would create i know there's things i don't i'm not going into it i'm just and there's no you're not going to peer pressure me

Starting point is 02:22:48 into going into it there are things that i would change that would result in better future unquestionably okay all right and like i think that's got to be true for pretty much everybody 10 years is a really big amount of time and And there's mistakes in that amount of time. Yeah, so it's Conrad, I'd press the button and buy Bitcoin. Yeah, welcome to now being a multi-billionaire. Because 10 years ago when we're in the LTT studio at NCX, I actually tell us to start mining like crazy. And I don't back down, which I very willingly did because I agreed with you that I thought it was just not going anywhere. And we start mining like nuts. And you and i both put everything we can in bitcoin

Starting point is 02:23:28 what about this now we big ballers see that is not a minor change that's a major change what if we hold on hold on hold on no come on help me out just bear with me what if we became total assholes we wouldn't what if we did we wouldn't what if we did i can what if that amount of money go down that if you want but we wouldn't what if that amount of money changed us you are very wealthy i wasn't gonna go here but you kept pushing it you are very wealthy all right has it changed you too much we went there i mean you've made the argument that it's But you kept pushing it. You are very wealthy. All right. Has it changed you too much? We went there. I mean, you've made the argument that it's changed me more than you'd like.

Starting point is 02:24:11 Sure. Okay, if we're having this conversation, then we're having this conversation. Fine, let's lay it all on the table. I didn't think we were going to go there. Well, you started it. You started it. No, you started it.

Starting point is 02:24:21 Well, you started it. You started it. No, you started it. I don't think it's changed you at the level that you were basically warning about right there. But what if it demotivated us? Did you press the button when you said that word? Look, you, hold on. You've talked about how motivated you are personally by adversity. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:24:48 By having to go hard. Yeah. Don't you think that that kind of wealth, we're talking billion dollar wealth potentially. Don't you think that that would take some of the fun out of it? What if hunting was as simple as just pressing a button and the animal dies? I know, I know stuff that I would do with it that would still be motivating. If it's unlimited, does that not take out the thrill of the chase though?

Starting point is 02:25:15 You know this, finances don't interest me a ton. Yes, I do know that. So there are things that I would do with it that I know current people that are billionaires are not doing with it that I would do with it because I actually like don't really care. Okay, but would we work together on that? What if we lost that? There, there. That's my question.

Starting point is 02:25:36 I feel like you potentially trade our relationship for a billion dollars. Well, I feel like we wouldn't. And a multiple of my reasons there is again you are very wealthy you don't have to do this yes at all right you do this because you want to provide these types of things you're very motivated by the lab because you think the lab should exist well of course it should you think it's a good resource for like humanity it needs to exist yeah you're gonna not build the lab because you have a billion dollars well i you're still gonna build a lab you're still motivated by the same things

Starting point is 02:26:15 but wouldn't it be boring i don't think it'd be boring i don't think the fight for survival is what makes us get up in the morning i don't think you're fighting for survival and I'm well not for mine but that's the thing is if I had a billion dollars then like you wouldn't just give it everybody I kind of wouldn't have to care like it but you also wouldn't just give it to well. Well, you've also seen my mentality change too, though. Like I was definitely, I was more of a min-maxer in terms of our spend as a company in the early days. Yes. And I think that, admittedly, yes, I have a significant amount of personal wealth. Okay. I really wasn't trying to.

Starting point is 02:27:03 I think it's changed my attitude significantly yeah i also think though that it's to a certain level as companies grow you have to do things that are less efficient with finances that's true and and that's that's been a really tough thing for both me and yvonne because me we're and luke even though he's spending my money or whatever right even though he's not spending money that affects him personally, I think Luke is probably one of the people, I'd say top five for me, one of the most affected people by spending not his own money. trait, and I'm sorry, I'm talking about you like you're not here, but it's a really valuable trait because people who spend someone else's money as if it's their own are people who just can see the bigger picture. Because the bigger picture is, theoretically, at some point, by improving efficiency, it will benefit all of us. And you know what? I think there's a lot of people who

Starting point is 02:28:05 are cynical and jaded enough from their real experiences in the world that they don't believe in that anymore. But I can tell you, for me, it's a really valuable trait because it means that I could trust you to do it, maybe not the way I would have done it, but a really good way. And it's really hard to find. It's super hard to find. And companies need that. By the way, I want to apologize to the person that I said was dumb. Apparently, they misphrased it. I saw their chat, that Twitch chat just started moving again.

Starting point is 02:28:37 It was a little much. I think you should maybe not read live chats during the show. I just shouldn't read Twitch chat. Floatplane chat's pretty good. Fair enough. But basically, they were saying that if you hired a superstar from somewhere else, the show i just shouldn't read twitch chat floatplane chat's pretty good um but basically they were they were saying that if you hired a superstar from somewhere else and then they didn't perform in your environment then that's on you which is an entirely different point

Starting point is 02:28:55 there are aspects to that that could be on you but that's also not entirely on you yes um yeah anywho um so we could save all the budgies with bitcoin it's probably not entirely untrue um yeah i don't know i would press it i understand there are pitfalls i do understand there are pitfalls um but i've always had this idea like if I could go back to being like five yeah if I somehow knew what I currently know I would do it 100% okay

Starting point is 02:29:36 alright yeah I don't think I would I told and you know what when this conversation when this question came in the reason why I looked at you and smiled was I knew you would say no and I knew I was going to say yes I told, and you know what? When this conversation, when this question came in, the reason why I looked at you and smiled was I knew you would say no. And I knew I was going to say yes.

Starting point is 02:29:49 Part of it's a philosophical thing for me. Like I don't believe in regret. I don't, I, there are certainly things I would have done differently. But part of the way that I just like keep going every day is by looking forward, not looking backward. And I feel like for me, it would actually be a very demotivating experience to have to live back through a lot of, yeah, I wouldn't want to live it again. yeah i wouldn't want to live it again i get that and i can understand how my stance on it makes it sound like i live in regret i think living in regret is an extremely bad thing to do and you can't work that way i don't think it's regret i think it's just desire to like well you're the

Starting point is 02:30:41 king of min maxing exactly i get it it's that it's not regret i think i i think i've done great i'm actually like very happy with where i'm at and how things are going like i life's good i don't have a lot of regrets made mistakes but everybody's made mistakes so whatever yeah like it's just so then why why why do you think it'd be fun oh i think it'd be really fun i think the min maxing aspect would be great because I have all my memories. I there's also tons I forgot. i've been at a crossroads and i've gone like even knowing the result i could go back and i could take that other path and it could be worse i think if i think if i was the only one i think what i would do was i wouldn't tell anyone that you know i wouldn't tell anyone that i know anything okay but then

Starting point is 02:31:48 would that come across like kind of arrogant just like i know and i'm not going to tell you how i know would you be a different person i don't think so it's harder to not change we can't just will ourselves to be who we want to understand and i and. And I, and I, and I didn't, to be clear, the wording there was specific. I didn't say no. I said, I don't think so. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:32:10 Okay. I don't think so. I don't know, but I don't think so. Like I, I also, I also don't think that your success has changed you. I think that you are able to spend a dollar now without having anxiety i

Starting point is 02:32:29 still struggle a little bit i think that's a positive change yeah but i've i've seen you make frivolous purchases when i met you there was no such thing as a frivolous purchase like it's different yeah but just like couldn't afford toothpaste but you can be different without changing yeah i guess is what i'm trying to say and i and i think i think you've done a different yeah but just like couldn't afford toothpaste but you can be different without changing yeah i guess is what i'm trying to say and i and i think i think you've done a good job of that but i think that a billion dollars is a lot it is it is i didn't to be fair when i first said i and my opinion does not change i i think the the bitcoin thing was conrad's idea i didn't even think about it yeah but it's a good point.

Starting point is 02:33:06 And if I did press the button, it is probably something that I would do. Because if the scenarios are almost identical, you and I are going to be in that studio. Yeah. And we're going to be talking about- There's going to be a bunch of GPUs sitting there. Hey, do we use these to my-

Starting point is 02:33:18 This is a- We've talked about this on my show a few times, but we had a bunch of really high-end GPUs. We had literally these multi-platform bench systems yes that are exactly what people use just sitting there just sitting just sitting and we were like hey we could do this and we're like lol you know that company doesn't exist anymore anyway so i guess i can talk about them but we're like we'll just run it in here you get free power um we've changed a little i like to think neither of us would do that anymore yeah yeah yeah

Starting point is 02:33:50 that's one thing that changed once i had money i insist on paying for things now yes me too like i actually do insist on paying for things i went back and bought a bunch of games that i pirated and stuff i did that quite a while ago i've had people i've had people comp try to comp me meals and i just leave money on the table like i just i i won't i i won't i can afford to pay meister in flip playing chat said you wouldn't spend the money from bitcoin though so what's the point uh i wouldn't spend it on myself that's like and i genuinely believe that i actually don't i actually believe that too yeah i know how much money he makes yeah this shirt was free i have new socks i have new socks you did buy new socks i only sort of approve of them we talked about this after the show literally true i was like full disappointed dad but trying

Starting point is 02:34:46 to be supportive i i like them a little bit less since then but i still like sorry i was trying not to be a downer i'm sorry okay that uh yeah this is part of the reason why i would press the button is because i have always had this stance that is always better to know painful information is still better and that's why i'm honest with you because if you were anyone else i would have been like oh my gosh those are so nice i love them hold on i can actually do that more convincing uh okay no way after all that after all the time we spent talking about socks you finally did it that was actually pretty convincing. I can usually catch up. I have a really hard time watching videos of you when you're talking about like a product or something that I know you're not interested in. Because I think you convince people pretty well, but no. I see it immediately.

Starting point is 02:35:40 And then it's like painful for me to watch because I know it's painful for you. So the whole time I'm watching, I'm just like, oh, that's why I just don't do it anymore. Yeah. It's like there was a while there, I think, like two, three years ago where you're doing it a lot. Yeah. And like, well, I was covering what I thought I should be covering. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:55 Notice I just don't bother reviewing the iPhone anymore. Yeah. I don't care. It's it's an iPhone. Apple, by design, makes it change as little as possible, generation by generation, so that dum-dums who can't handle a button moving

Starting point is 02:36:13 are not going to get confused. Like, for real, that's actually in the... It's a core part of the design philosophy of the product. And so it's inherently boring now. Yeah. part of the design philosophy of the product and so it's inherently boring now yeah um i don't know like something that i thought of quite a while ago i i know there's a lot of things that i would do you know how i did it just now though i made what i was talking about something how i felt instead of the product. That's what I did. Interesting. That's what makes it convincing.

Starting point is 02:36:47 Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I guess what I'm doing right now is I'm outing myself as someone who can lie convincingly, which is bad. I already knew that. Well, yeah, I guess so. I don't want to. That's key.

Starting point is 02:37:02 And I will give you this credit. I think you very rarely do. I only do if I have to so there there's situations like and honestly a lot of the time i'm really uncomfortable with it but like as an employer you actually cannot always be honest with someone like like legally um and it's it's really frustrating for me. One of the ones in particular is that if you, in BC, in Canada, if you dismiss someone with cause, there is a lot more legal liability for your company and therefore for your entire team than if you simply dismiss someone without cause and just like put together a severance package and be like, OK, see you later. If they come to you and they say, hey, what was it? Was it my was it my awful performance here? Was it the time theft I committed here?

Starting point is 02:38:00 Like even if it doesn't matter how legit the reason is. The best thing to do, every lawyer I've ever talked to has said, you cannot answer those questions. So like from a from a legal liability standpoint, I can't give people honest feedback. I like receiving honest feedback. I think that an environment of openness and honesty is more constructive for everyone involved, even if you're part of Waze. Yeah, if I was getting dumped by, okay, let's say my wife divorced me. Okay, let's say Yvonne left me.

Starting point is 02:38:38 I want to know why. I don't want to lose a lady like that again if I ever find one again, right? So I find that kind of thing extremely difficult. Yeah, I mean, a big part of it too is just, I find the truth is just more effective. Like if you want to enact any kind of change in your life, dishonesty ain't going to do it.

Starting point is 02:39:10 Yeah. And you can package things better. Like you don't have to be an ass about it. Yeah. Like, I don't know. That's a thing, but like,

Starting point is 02:39:19 or maybe you want to be, depends on the context, but like you can, you can package things in different ways to try to accomplish different goals while still being very clear and truthful about what you're saying yeah that went a weird path but anyways i'd press the button this is great von bauer fiend says big employer talking about time theft i roll so what it doesn't exist the other way? You've never known anyone who said they worked eight hours but didn't?

Starting point is 02:39:52 Really? Yeah, you're right. That doesn't exist probably. Cool. What was I going to say? Oh, yeah. I will also say, while saying that I would press the button, and this isn't even, I'm not even being judgmental. I think it would be very bad for a large amount of people.

Starting point is 02:40:08 But I think I would be fine. Hit us, Dan. I don't know how this has become. How are we going to follow that one? That's a good question. Oh my gosh. This is good. Uh-huh.

Starting point is 02:40:24 Okay. This one's from Jonathan Capcom has released two DLCs For Monster Hunter that would delete your save If you didn't purchase them Twice Monster Hunter World Iceborne And Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak If you didn't purchase them If you did not

Starting point is 02:40:39 That's outrageous It deletes your save That should be considered time theft I invested my time in this save file you can't hold it hostage that's ridiculous I mean does it surprise us

Starting point is 02:40:56 it's Capcom we give Blizzard a lot of flack and Nintendo a lot of flack for being anti-consumer but like cap capcom should be right there in the conversation they're not exactly no cap okay thank you thank you for that that was really helpful oh shoot i think i just archived one by accident because dan and i went for the button at the same time oh uh if you do it they move for me um yeah and he asked hi linus and luke i'm curious to know how many team members use the 2016 razor

Starting point is 02:41:32 blades you gifted around the holidays then best of luck in 2023 mine still works yours still works but you don't use it that wasn't the question i don't use it because i was super sketched out about its looming death because it's pretty old at this point. Yeah. Like it's genuinely very old at this point for a laptop. Um, and I was going on a trip for two weeks and I was, yeah, sure. I'm on vacation. I'm definitely going to have to work while I'm on the trip.

Starting point is 02:41:59 Um, even if it wasn't the work for the work that I was doing on the trip, like even during my vacation portion, I was going to have to work. So I was like, if I'm lugging this around in a bag for two weeks, am I convinced it's going to work the whole time? No. So I got a different one. I don't think anyone still uses them.

Starting point is 02:42:15 But my, my girlfriend uses it now. Oh, okay. So it's still, still deployed. It is still in use. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:42:21 We've got a couple of good ones here. This is the one I accidentally archived. I haven't got my black shaft driver yet, but i know i need these bits as i work in the automation industry any chance of hollow ground screwdriver bits i have never heard of a hollow ground screwdriver bit what is that but if you contact ltd support they will eventually they're actually doing a great job they're getting caught up on tickets um so if you contact ltd support with your suggestion just tell them i said to message now forward it to kyle i've basically he has a blank check to get any tooling done or any any thing any setup done for any bits i want to i want to

Starting point is 02:42:57 support every bit so there you go these are incredible um a hollow ground bit also known as a hollow tip or parallel ground screwdriver the straight slotted tip fills the screw slot better than the tapered tip on standard screwdrivers for more torque and less slippage cool that sounds great let's do it um also i've got from idrek kautz over on floatplane hey linus if i say trust me bro, bro, I'm not going to sue you, would you give me honest feedback after firing me? We actually did that once. Someone didn't make it here. And I kind of, I, for whatever reason, normally, it's not actually me anymore. Like there's multiple layers of management and HR and stuff at this point. So it's almost never me who actually has a dismissal conversation with

Starting point is 02:43:45 someone uh but i i i talked to this person um we we worked directly so that's probably why i don't remember the details the point is that um i talked to this person uh it was tough conversation because they really just wanted to do better and i really wanted them to do better i liked them as a person right like it was it just it just wasn't the right fit and sometimes that happens right and uh they basically were like well how do how do we how do we overcome this because i kept having to say look i can't i can't really i can't i can't really talk about anything other than to say look it's not the right fit and they're like well yeah but why you know how say, look, it's not the right fit. And they're like, well, yeah, but why?

Starting point is 02:44:29 You know, how do I make, how do I be the right fit somewhere else? And I'm like, oh, I get it. So the deal we ultimately reached, and I think this I, if I like sign the whatever dismissal documentation, um, then, and we wait a little while, can we just like jump on discord? And can you just maybe not, maybe not tell me, you know, why I was dismissed or whatever, but but why don't we why don't we go through a project uh together and you can just critique it very honestly that way it's not that and i'm like okay so we set aside a couple of hours and we had a chat on discord a few weeks later after all the paperwork was done and everything was settled um that's the one exception that i have made uh to that because i felt that that person really trust me bro was not interested in making it a legal problem i was gonna say it

Starting point is 02:45:33 but still technically a very sketchy i know thing i know but they really wanted to know and i respect it i i totally respect it i respect it too people shouldn't they shouldn't expect that all the time well no i like oh sorry i misunderstood i meant like i like i i respect that person for that too for for wanting that feedback for for craving self-improvement like that's the thing is so many people i've met over the years do not desire self-improvement so how do you talk to people like that it's really tough okay hey prime colton colton keeps getting fired and getting severance packages that's how you own so much property that's hilarious no colton's actually just a really really really um like senior person here now like the the firing memes are just memes uh colton's

Starting point is 02:46:28 like yeah he's he's he's good yeah love colton hashtag love colton okay i'm trying to replace my hard drive circuit board and i was trying to figure out which extra bit set would work for it also do you guys plan on adding an extra bit set holder to go with the screwdriver yes we do but we're not gonna i actually had that meeting with the creator warehouse team today one of the new tool makers was like hey we've seen a lot of these altoids mods people just like modifying an altoids tin to hold the screwdriver those are really cool actually why don't we just like do that for now as an MVP, minimum viable product, and then we'll do the really good one later.

Starting point is 02:47:07 I'm like, you're new here. We're not going to do that. We're going to do the awesome one. And in the meantime, we can, by all means, boost people talking about putting them in Altoids tins or whatever else. Sure, let's shine some light on that. But no, we're just going to do it properly.

Starting point is 02:47:29 Okay, and the last one I have here curated is from charles since you're talking about labor any thoughts on the u.s rail strike and whole mismanagement extravaganza oh that whole thing should be illegal like i've made my i've made my thoughts on unionization here very clear i would consider it a personal failure and i've had a lot of people attack me with that, but I think they are, I think it's one of those bad faith interpretations. The way that I mean it is very clear. I think it would be a failure on my part because it would mean that people- I feel like me saying it for you would help. Sure.

Starting point is 02:48:01 Which is why I was going to jump in. By all means. I'm pretty sure it's accurate. You can tell me if it's not. Sure. he wants to treat people well enough that they don't actually feel like they need one if people needed protection from me that's a person that sucks yeah that means i suck i think unions are incredibly important and i i feel like they're they're on a rise because there's been a lot of um extremely poor treatment of workers yeah for a long time now absolutely people are tired of it and when you push people that far they start to form groups so they can

Starting point is 02:48:33 support each other and that's good and you're seeing a lot of good happening like the starbucks union there's all this information about what they've been up to and the like wars that they've been fighting as for what happened with the u.s rail strike that should be illegal yeah just legislating if if they're important enough that you can legislate them back to work then they're important enough that you can probably pay them yeah like that's that's crazy so yeah yeah yeah cool okay i think you know there's some incoming if you want to address those otherwise um i'm out let me have a look here um it's not even any potentials oh i see still oh incoming oh still

Starting point is 02:49:23 reeling from the recent near miss. What are your thoughts on the tech layoffs recently? Wild, right? Did you see Amazon's laying off 18,000 people? That is an unfathomable number of people to employ in the first place. I was going to say, companies worth of people that that is, it's wild. Yeah. Yeah. Like we're still hiring but we ain't gonna be picking up that kind of slack yeah that's yeah yeah it's terrifying right now there are quite a few companies that are hiring right now though um agi is a big thing there's a lot of new agi startups and stuff maybe check it out um yeah i don't know um i know people are very worried about developer jobs and 18 000 people joining the pool is not going to make it super easy but something that i think people have to

Starting point is 02:50:11 understand is developers were in such insane demand before this happened it's not like they're not in demand anymore there's still really high salary jobs that are being offered um i think i think it'll be. I think it'll be okay. I think it'll be okay. Muppet Puppet, I don't fully understand your question. I'm sorry. So I'm just going to click show and it might show up there. Something about would you use different cables

Starting point is 02:50:37 and maybe someone else in chat can see it and maybe respond to it. I just finished building the PC. My dad and i spec'd out before he died what is your favorite memory you have with your parents my parents watch this show that's a lot of pressure oh that's heavy um want me to go first sure okay uh i don't know and your turn no no okay i'll try and come up with something um it's hard to pick a favorite right like that's how do you how do you possibly pick a favorite memory from the people who who raised you i mean there's so many little moments of like you know imparting whether it's imparting wisdom or you know supporting you at a really you know awful time or whatever else

Starting point is 02:51:22 like really you know awful time or whatever else like yeah holy smokes what do you even yeah i don't okay no i got nothing i'm sorry i think i feel like these would change depending on the day or hour that you asked me i think my dad's is pretty cemented. When he gave you the talk? My mom gave me the talk, not my dad. Well, okay, when he tried. My dad, it's the same kind of thing, but there's two moments.

Starting point is 02:52:03 We weren't like the wealthiest growing up. So one of my buddies and I would often scrounge together some dollars that him and i would make by doing random odd jobs around to rent video games we didn't own like a big i would go over friends houses and they'd have like a shelf of games for their n64 or whatever i'd be like that's crazy like we have probably not the n64 how would you even play all those games that too like yeah but you definitely know that you could um so we would rent games with the little money that we got right and man i don't want to like dox myself and where my parents live so i can't exactly describe this but the walk when you don't have a car yet to the game rental store because your buddy doesn't

Starting point is 02:52:44 have a bike because he was dropped off there by his parents' car, so you only have one bike, so you walk. Back then, it was really long. One time, the store that we wanted to get the game from, because the closed store didn't have it, was, I think, an hour and a half long, one direction, so it took us three hours to get this game, which was epic. But one of the games that we rented was morrowind oh that was a bit of a game changer for you pretty big deal i had never

Starting point is 02:53:12 done this before but the morning after i ran up and like woke my dad up early which was probably not the strat for the question that i was going to give him. Um, but I enthusiastically described the game and was like, it's amazing. I really want to get it. And for some reason, again, we were like super broke and this is not something that we like did often, but he was like, okay, I'm getting up. And I was like, what? And then like ran out and he got up, got dressed went bought morrowind and i was like what the heck and then not so much the friend that i played it with and i but my dad and i ended up playing a ludicrous amount of that game together and that was like really cool i think it all comes down to time spent together like if i was gonna pick some memories like you know it might be uh the cross-country trip with my mom we i got my license and literally from the Canadian equivalent of the DMV,

Starting point is 02:54:10 I got in the car and I went for the passenger seat and she's like, excuse me, I don't drive anymore. And I was like, this is a standard automobile. And she's like, then I guess you better figure out how to drive stick and i stalled several times in the parking lot and then i drove drove to halifax and back um which was which was pretty cool right yeah there were some there was some tension on the trip my mother who doesn't watch this show is not always the easiest to get along with and neither am i i am just like her which is which has been an uncomfortable realization as i've made my way into adulthood

Starting point is 02:54:53 um it's especially hard to hear from yvonne who has a fraught relationship or has had a fraught relationship with my mother over the years at times uh Anywho. And then like, you know, with my dad, it's, it's maybe like simpler things. I don't know if we ever did anything like that big. But it's like little things like, like my dad has, has this enthusiasm that is just infectious. He's, he's definitely where I get my charisma from, no offense, mother. What, what I have, what of it I have, and I'm a watered down version of both of them in a lot of ways. I don't have his zest for life.

Starting point is 02:55:30 And so the kinds of things I remember with him are, and you'll probably appreciate this because he was all about just like doing things hard. So I remember going to Disneyland and it's one of my earliest memories. I was like four. I remember going to Disneyland and it's one of my earliest memories. I was like four. I remember going to Disneyland and it was sprinkling rain that day. And he basically like, like, like ran around the park, like cheerleading me to like run

Starting point is 02:55:57 onto all the rides because it was unbelievable. Like in California, you know, you get like three drops of rain and everybody runs inside. Right. And we're from Vancouver it's literally the nickname the nickname is wet coast okay yeah like what what do we care about some rain uh and you know those are the things that stand out to you even all these decades later and like Halloween Halloween with my dad was an experience if you think kids like Halloween you have not met my father because he would he

Starting point is 02:56:27 would drag me from door to door like let's go what are you walking for do you want candy or not there's candy and it's not because he was he wasn't even one of those parents that like would eat all the candy he was just like you've got three hours yeah well how much candy are you gonna get and he would and when we get home he would put it on the scale for me and he would like he would like hype me up that yeah we got like we got like six pounds this year you know and we would like we went man um and like and again he would run you know he'd run with me and do things like that. So it's, I think time spent is... Yeah, like something that I got from my dad is just the ridiculous drive that he has when he has something that he deems worthy of the drive. He didn't get all of it.

Starting point is 02:57:20 He's unbelievable. 100%. He's unbelievable. Yeah, it's ridiculous there's there's certain points in my life where i actually genuinely functionally don't understand the like physics of how he did what he did like it it makes no sense nope like he he would work these back-to-back jobs so he'd have like less than eight hours off like you you should sleep, right? Like he would work. And I don't mean this would happen once or twice a week. I mean, this was every day. So I remember there was, I remember

Starting point is 02:57:51 at least one time that he came home and he drove into the driveway and fell asleep in the car because he turned the car off and it was just immediately like, and then he woke up and it was time to go back to work again. So he turned the car on and left like but he would still somehow we had this thing i don't remember exactly what it was called i'm sure he remembers the name yeah uh but we would play i would often like i think this is probably part of the reason why i'm a night owl but i would like stay up until he would come home and he'd come home from work at like crazy hours um but he would something that he deemed required was spending time with my brother and i yeah so he'd come in and be like all right it's time to like hang out so we'd play games until the sun came up and then we'd go sit on the hood of his car and watch the sunrise nice and that's like nice even saying that like all the feels all the feels because like yeah back then i was just like this

Starting point is 02:58:50 is cool and now that i'm older i'm like that dude gave up sleep after working very physical nutrition nutrition everything he gave up everything to be able to somehow spend more time with us and then he would have to go to work yeah after just not sleeping like crazy you can have hockey skates or whatever else yeah and and he was the coach in like yeah every sport that we freaking played and was like better than the other coaches that were there despite having no sleep and working all these jobs and doing all this kind of stuff and then i i have tons of memories of hanging out with my dad despite all that stuff which is crazy and then you mentioned the time thing it's the same kind of deal with my mom i have tons of memories of hanging out with my dad despite all that stuff which is crazy and then you mentioned the time thing it's the same kind of deal with my mom I have tons of different

Starting point is 02:59:28 memories of us going and doing things and she's interested in everything you could imagine oh yeah she's had like every job I cannot list all the jobs that she's had because I forget so many probably the only the only way to to how do I put this the the the only thing that outnumbers the number of different jobs your mom has done is maybe the number of different hobbies like yeah yeah it's like that's a good way of going for it so like we would go to like the pne or something and the someone's like like talking to someone who's super passionate about something is basically always interesting. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:00:07 Even if it's just like, oh my, like something that I don't care about. At all. Iconography. Yeah. I don't care. If someone's interested enough in that. I will listen to it all day.

Starting point is 03:00:18 Passionate enough about it. Absolutely. I've watched a bunch of like YouTube videos on some topic I've never even heard of before and genuinely don't care about. But the person talking about it is super passionate about it. Yeah. Super good at it. like youtube videos on some topic i've never even heard of before and genuinely don't care about but the person talking about it is super passionate about it super good at it like it makes it amazingly interesting so we'd go to like the pne or we'd go to like something we'd go to some type

Starting point is 03:00:34 of event or some type of place and just her interest in everything makes me super interested in everything and it's just super enjoyable and then i would try to go to one of those like by myself or with some friends or something and i'd be like this sucks sucks i wish i was like it's like a weird thing for a kid to say but i was like i wish i wish my mom was here yeah because like it would be way more interesting to to do that i remember like yeah i don't know it's just yeah i don't know those those are my answers i guess all right there's just a couple more and we're gonna get through these and then we're gonna go home it's late and then we're going to go home. It's late.

Starting point is 03:01:07 GhostTheToast says, my car recently got totaled. Sorry to hear that. Any EVs or hybrids that you'd recommend other than the Volt? The Ford Maverick seems slick. Man, the Volt just is awesome. Like, if I was going back to buy a car

Starting point is 03:01:21 with exactly the same goal that I had when I bought that thing, which was bang for the buck, super car i would buy it again in fact i just did we need a passenger car for just like light duty like running errands that logistics team needs it and stuff i literally just bought another volt from myself i was just gonna say cool do it again cool yeah yeah i'm sorry i and you know what there's probably some other great suggestions i will leave it to the chat to to to get you guys some good suggestions there um joshua l says i'm kind of deep into doing luke's idea with the chat gpt dnd ripoff thing uh it's kind of great yeah i'm not surprised to

Starting point is 03:02:13 be honest i believe you uh fritz says uh hey linus and luke with all the random conversation tonight how did you guys meet okay that's a story that's actually pretty short i put out a wanted ad and luke responded to it okay but you're leaving out a lot of like eight hour interview yeah but we talked about that a couple weeks ago so they can go they can go look for that that's true yeah yeah um okay uh arturo says i'm a cloud infrastructure engineer for a big tech company i'm looking for a place with better work-life balance. Any chance you guys might be hiring a Terraform guy? I don't know what Terraform is. Very potentially at some point, but not right now. Okay, yeah. Also, working here is horrible.

Starting point is 03:02:56 We don't want more applications, right? Yeah, it's really awful. There's too many. Yeah, it's bad. I don't know if we can say the person's name yet, but the person who's helping me with it was like, whoa. Okay. bad i don't know if we can say the person's name yet but the person who's helping me with it was like whoa okay um heck yeah daniel b love to see it uh okay we're down to the last two if you're interested in vr for fitness in 2023 what options are there hmm uh i'm sorry i wish my horizons were

Starting point is 03:03:24 broader but i just play beat saber beat saber is genuinely good yeah i mean it doesn't do everything 2023, what options are there? I'm sorry. I wish my horizons were broader, but I just play Beat Saber. Beat Saber is genuinely good. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't do everything. I know hollow point is better if you want to do like more full body movement. You got to like really go to get the workout, but that's true of anything.

Starting point is 03:03:38 You get out of it what you put into it. I would find something that you find fun and has a solid amount of movement in it. Then you're going to get some good cardio. And that's very valuable. All right. This last one has an obvious answer. Jose L. says,

Starting point is 03:03:55 Hi, Luke and Linus. This is the last one. Last one of the show. I was wondering, what is the most bizarre slash funny name that you have seen over all your years of gaming? What's the obvious one leroy okay sorry it's pretty good it's really good for you i don't know i don't know i'm just memeing and i think that's it thanks for tuning in we'll see you guys again next week same bad time

Starting point is 03:04:20 same bad channel bye oh right i'm not supposed to press the button now we cleared them we cleared them yeah yeah yeah nice tool Conrad what if we just what if we just do all the work huh then it has nothing to do got him got him roasted wait wait wait you paid him to make that oh

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