The WAN Show - How We Did The April Fool's Office Prank - WAN Show April 5, 2024

Episode Date: April 6, 2024

You never want to cut corners on your PC’s power supply. So check out what Seasonic has to offer at: https://lmg.gg/SSBG850 Visit https://www.squarespace.com/WAN and use offer code WAN for 10% off Check out the MSI AEGIS RS2 14th at https://lmg.gg/MSI-AEGIS-14-WAN Big Publishers Are Gaming Google Search https://housefresh.com/david-vs-digital-goliaths/ Timestamps (Courtesy of NoKi1119): 0:00 Chapters 1:30 Intro 2:08 Topic #1 - Covering LMG's April Fools shoot at the old house 4:51 What could've been, David's idea, everyone actually worked there 8:14 Linus on who was involved & the costs of doing this 13:19 David's on-set video idea, how the neighbors dealt with this 17:03 Cars shot was perfect, news reached out about the "C&D" letter 21:14 BTS video was an hour long, "this video was a tax write-off" 25:46 Some jokes were cut out, staff's commitment & energy was great 29:34 David's final thoughts on this project 30:15 Merch Messages #1 ft. David 32:38 Most difficult stunt to pull off? ft. LTT's past April Fools 39:38 FP price will go up, current subs will be grandfathered in 43:15 Mad Max joke, characters, PS5 jailbreak joke, David leaves 46:04 Wearing Terry Fox Foundation's shirt, Luke reading the note & shirt 50:35 Topic #2 - Amazon's "Just Walk Out" system to be closed 1:07:28 LTTStore's limited Welcome Hole shirts 1:11:02 Merch Messages #2 1:18:31 Best way to keep my family safe while running a home lab? 1:21:23 Sponsor - Seasonic 1:23:54 Sponsor - Squarespace 1:25:06 Sponsor - MSI 1:26:19 Topic #3 - Linus's reaction to his car being broken into 1:36:50 Merch Messages #3 1:37:08 Thoughts on Ross Scott against Ubisoft killing The Crew? 1:43:40 Why is 256 characters the default for NTFS paths? 1:46:26 How do we guard against detached decisions? ft. Driving, "Dan leaking" 1:59:33 Topic #4 - Intel's chip fab in Germany finds ancient burial mounds 2:01:20 Topic #5 - Google deletes incognito details to settle $5B lawsuit 2:02:26 "Welcome to the WAN Show!" - Alive Luke 2k24 2:03:49 Topic #6 - Discord's Quest, GAMER EDITION ads 2:08:31 Luke on Discord's model, Teams to be decoupled from Office 2:15:54 Topic #7 - Google to shut down Podcast internationally 2:19:52 Topic #8 - YouTube's "Jump Ahead" skips to best parts of videos 2:22:49 Showcasing comparison charts & color edits 2:24:06 Testing out comparison bin 2:26:38 Topic #9 - Truth Social is now public, initial value of $8b 2:29:48 Linus suggests against investing, compares revenue with FP 2:33:57 Gambling's huge sponsor offers & revenue 2:37:27 LMG going public scenario, Luke points out Linus's risking habit 2:43:26 Gaming hotel business idea, mentioning Mario 2:46:50 Topic #10 - Developers say that indie games funding dried up 2:49:13 Topic #11 - Outlook accused of sharing user data with 801 companies 2:50:48 Topic #12 - Linux backdoor found that targets encrypted data 2:54:15 Topic #13 - Twitter indirectly sells data for government surveillance 3:01:40 Topic #14 - HouseFresh calls out Google's recommended product lists 3:08:28 LTT Labs debate on using AI voice, viability, compromises, profits 3:21:42 Merch Messages #4 3:22:39 Advice for a timid person to have their voice heard in a convo? 3:26:27 What would Luke's new car of choice be? 3:27:19 Changes on LTTStore products we missed? ft. After Dark 3:29:33 Disclosure of AI in your content? Would you care? 3:32:40 How much of Linus's kids remember Langley's house? 3:35:22 What's Luke's rarest Pokémon GO finds in his collection? 3:35:46 What's your first action if you woke up to a Freaky Friday? 3:43:38 Have you tried a virtual challenge like The Conqueror? 3:45:30 Reference material helpful for an engineering manager position? 3:49:36 If Luke was CVO, would he start LTT Labs knowing the ROI of it? 3:52:40 Elaborating on Mattermost's problems 3:54:33 Thoughts on Framework and the earthquake? 3:56:59 Favorite flower? 3:57:31 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN show! We've got a bunch of great topics for you guys today, including a special guest! That's right, we've got... oh, there he is. He's kind of in the middle of the frame now. Oh, he's leaning. Oh, he's leaning out of the frame now. It's got... yay! There you go, yeah! We've got David on the show to talk about the incredible amount of effort that went into this year's April Fool's prank.

I'm really not quite sure how he pulled it off but you guys might not realize this if you're not subscribed to float plane we actually had a lot of those people working out of the house so it was the joke was that it wasn't really a joke so we're going to talk about everything that was involved in getting entire departments of the company moved into that residential house for almost a week for some of them yeah it seemed pretty inconvenient uh we're also going to be talking about how ai it turns out is just underpaid foreigners it's like that always has been meme yeah Yeah, exactly. What else we got today? Discord wants you to monetize your friends.

I don't know about you guys, but my friends are worthless. So good luck with that, Discord. I don't have any. Is it like a zero times zero situation? I didn't even have another one. I was just so focused on that. Intel Megafab. Possibly haunted. Yeah. Yeah was just so focused on that. Intel Megafab. Possibly haunted. Yeah.

Yeah, that's the whole thing. Actually, I guess. see sonic square piss square paste square pit what would a square paste yeah it's our square paste yeah you walk like but you can only move in squares. It's like artisanal toothpaste. Anyway, Squarespace and MSI are the sponsors for the show today. So I think we might as well jump right into what exactly went on over on Flo... Over on Floplane. It's been an extremely long, actually, couple weeks. So the first thing that happened in order to make this April Fool's shoot work

was because we accidentally double booked it with my vacation i actually had to fly home from japan do you know this i didn't know that was why i had to come back a week early because we accidentally scheduled our vacation during the april fool's shoot which couldn't be moved because you would think oh well surely we could have just gotten ready and done the shoot a little bit earlier but um i don't know maybe maybe we'll have david kind of talk about why that might not have been feasible well some people were speculating online that the house was you know in between tenants but no there's people living there currently and so we had to send them on vacation for two weeks

so that we could have access to the house for two weeks. And move all their stuff out. Oh my gosh, yes. When I heard that, it took me a second to properly process what that meant. Yeah, well, the thing is like, okay. Hold on, sorry, where did you even put it? We paid for storage.

Okay. Yeah, so the idea was, all right, we're going to move into the office, but the tenants there are very much in the middle of their lease. Like this is, this isn't like a, yeah, we can get easy access to it. It's full of their stuff. So I got to say, if I was them and my landlord called me up and was like hey so here's the deal i want to move all your stuff out of your house for two weeks i'm gonna send you somewhere and then when you come back it's

all gonna be moved back in probably in the same would you do it i'm thinking i think so would you would you take the deal free vacation let's say uh yeah let's say it was uh if there's some amount of assurance for like hey if we like break this thing we'll replace it i mean i can tell you they have nothing in writing i think it would really depend on the landlord but but maybe yeah david would you do it okay your landlord right now would you do it a hundred percent yeah i would take a free vacation like you could you today. Today. Okay. What about you, Dan? Sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Really? Okay. We're all doing it. So apparently this is just a completely normal thing. It's definitely not normal. I would definitely hesitate.

Any of us are normal. No, not normal. I can think of a lot of people that would never do this. That's fair. But I'm just thinking like, okay, if i like take a couple small valuables and like store them at my parents place which i could do in like half an hour then yeah whatever just send it so i think what also see ya i think one of the biggest challenges with this though was that david and i approached it with very different creative visions from the start so david why don't you

talk them through what could have been and we'll let the audience kind of ruminate on it themselves because honestly the issue was not that his idea was bad in my opinion i think it was great it just wasn't what i had had in the back of my mind for the last two or three years or whenever i originally came up with this idea and i was like can we can we change this anyway so David you want to talk them through what you what you had thought of yeah absolutely yeah that first meeting we had was pretty contentious it got pretty heated um my idea was more mockumentary style so we're kind of doing it more skits uh room by room department by

department and separating it more so that i could move people in and out of the house a little easier and we could you know have something set up for them but it doesn't have to actually uh be super real mr considerate over here meanwhile i'm like let's just move the company yeah and it was going to be definitely more absurd like one of the first jokes that i wrote and i think it was the the point at which we were diverting uh was like oh yeah we don't have enough power so we handed out typewriters for people to work on uh and it was going to be kind of more silly and absurd in that direction but linus uh convinced me uh he he we we argued and then after a weekend of me cooling down, I was convinced that that he was right and that having it be a real thing is something that you can't fake.

And so we decided that we were going to really move people and set them up in this house and set up this real network infrastructure and bring real computers, real monitors and have it that every single person at that house could do real work and i'm pretty sure that every single person that was in that video other than labs labs is probably the one yeah um they were really doing their job in that house yeah so that was what that was what um david told everybody was in order to make it feel lived in, bring other, like, logistics will bring in the monitors, which were graciously provided by ViewSonic and Landfest. Yeah.

So the monitors were brought in from a third party, but everyone was told, okay, other than the basic, like, we'll have buckets for you to sit on, gather up kind of everything you can carry such that you could do a day's worth of work. And so that's why it really felt lived in and worked because the editors were actually editing real videos if you look if you watch the video because the turnaround for the april fool's video was really fast

if you screen peek you will see videos that are not out yet being worked on by the people sitting in the house one of one of the more insane meetings i've probably ever had was talking to david because i i got this like a message or something i don't remember what it was saying basically like yeah we need some like servers and cables and i was like oh okay we're just gonna like take some dead servers off the shelf we'll just lay them there and we'll just like toss some cables around so it looks like there's table cables in the thing he's like yes we need like a working mass so the editors can like be productive while we're there and i'm just like what is that what like how is this necessary for anyway so the part that david left out of the story from the pitch beauty was that we reached

a point where i felt like we were at a bit of an impasse and one of my favorite conflict resolution strategies is to bring in a third party to get a third opinion in this case it was less of a third opinion and it was more of I feel like David was being so sensible and practical about everything

he was trying to make sure that because when he does this it's great he'll always bring in a loaded person who he knows's going to agree with his side oh i didn't so who did you pick no i didn't i didn't even i didn't oh fine dave i'm not not david fine luke who do you think i brought in then i don't know come at me yvonne no where where was this meeting uh no no it took place in my office it was in my office okay yeah he's not gonna get he has no chance you might not remember but there's actually two people brought into this meeting oh oh oh i forgot about one of them fourth party okay okay oh oh oh you're right oh okay so first okay fine go ahead

you get one more guest yeah i've got neither of them yet james okay yeah yeah james was the first one the second you said two people i was like well okay i forget what he said though david what did james say he was on your side almost right away. And that's when I knew I was like, OK, maybe my brilliance is not true. OK, I forgot about that. But it wasn't. I mean, realistically, I don't feel like you were digging in that much based on the difference in creative opinion. It felt like a lot of it was just like, everyone's going to hate me. And so that's a fair thing to be concerned about so the party i called in and where

i think i actually got david to come around to it was i called taryn okay yeah so i i called him and i basically went okay here's the pitch i actually think i would have eventually got that as long as we as long as we make it clear to everyone that we understand that their deadlines are going to be pushed yeah and that their productivity is not going to stress people out and as long as i had terran's buy-in on the opportunity cost because like dude david i don't even know what the bill was for this i don't know exactly either does anybody know we should find we should find out i We should find out. I'm sure one of the accountants do. I don't know if you want to find out. There's like no way it was worth it.

But yeah, so I don't even know. If you're listening on a podcast format, I did air quotes. What the actual production bill was for this. But it was probably, if not certainly, the highest cost production we have ever done. And that even ignores the opportunity cost because it's one thing to hire a bunch of talent to come in and produce a thing. It's a whole other thing to shut down the, I would say,

David, how many people ultimately volunteered? Like what percentage of the company did we actually have in there? I think total, it was probably around 55 ish people. Okay that's over half that's like because because out of the locals that's almost 70 percent of the actual local staff then like 660 something percent that is absolutely wild so was anyone voluntold or was it all it was all voluntold it was all voluntold because i first would meet,

I first met with the managers and I was like, Hey, uh, you know, can you pick people? And I mean, I don't know department by department how it went. Um,

but I basically was like, Hey, just pick your people. And then, uh, we'll, we'll go from there. Everyone I've talked to about it was stoked on it.

So like, Oh, you haven't talked to all the same people as me. Fun. No, everyone was such a good sport about it and like i think there was such a great energy being at the house um everyone was having a good time and it's rare that we get to do stuff like that all together and yeah it's even rare that we get to do that stuff with that many people for production and so i think it was kind of a real treat and everyone sort of cherished uh the days we were there i think for the people who weren't part of that um they the vibe for me

was a lot like like old channel super fun when we would just like grab people out of their desks and be like okay we need to shoot a channel super fun guess what you're getting you know shot with nerf darts uh it's going to be a battle. You're team basement. We're team attic. Let's go. Like it really had that sort of chaotic vibe, but I've got to give credit to David, to the logistics team. I've got to give credit to our partners.

It was shockingly organized. We booked two days for the shoot, and I don't think we went over one and a half. Oh, not even. We were like maybe nine hours of shooting. Absolutely wild. Actually super good. Yeah.

Very difficult to do with any form of production. Yeah. And the number of moving parts there were in that mess. And it was, this was David. This was David being an absolute f***ing mad lad um i didn't intend well i thought of it as we got to the point in the script but david had was already way ahead of me the idea of actually shooting tech linked there oh yeah on the janky green screen that's not that's not me the thing the thing i was going to say before we started and you stopped me because you're like here for the show was that the the interwoven storylines

was crazy and like easily my favorite part you've got wanshow seeding interest you've got the the tech linked seeding interest uh you've got the the the prank at the end everyone's like what is this that's a float plane exclusive by the way a float plane exclusive like this one video it's just like morphed into so many different there's there's so there's so much sick like ah there's so many layers to it yeah there's a short circuit that was shot in the hot tub yeah by the two jakes yeah yeah i forgot about that but totally yeah yeah i knew about that that's yeah so many different things oh i freaking love it uh porto asks this is in the float plane chat did you guys had a had to talk with the

neighbors so i did see one of our old neighbors you remember our neighbor on the one side who we we had i felt like a pretty cordial relationship with until i think she's a bit of a vegetation enthusiast. Oh. And we had an arrangement, me and Luke, where his rent was significantly subsidized by his upkeep of the property. Yeah, totally. Upkeep of the property that he just didn't do. They kept the internet going. Yeah.

The state of our lawn was the straw, and that's what it looked like. It looked like straw. It was the straw that broke the camel's back and was what made the neighbors ultimately come and complain to the city and get us kicked out. See, I don't believe in short lawns because it's not good for the environment. It's not good for the insects, which are good for the whole ecological system. How do you explain the parts of it that were so short they were dirt uh so anyway uh you want to make space for new plants to grow so i saw that i saw that neighbor over the fence and uh i was in the middle of a take or something but

she just like i don't want to have anything to do with yeah yeah she didn't say hi or anything so i'm like all right yeah i guess you didn't miss us yeah yeah that's okay i mean we were realistically we were only in there for probably about 80 hours like a little over three days did you ever tell her that i was supposed to upkeep the property i don't think so interesting because she was really good friends with me yeah all right i like helped her with something in her house one time i helped her move things in and out all the time like we were actually we were good i thought we were good too until it was actually her daughter that like came to the door and gave me a hard time about it interesting so i'm not a hundred percent convinced

actually that she ever had a problem because she might have just like not recognized you to be honest yeah that's possible it's been a long time and if she had no primer that you were supposed to be there why would she think it was actually yeah that's true yeah yeah that's true that's true the thing i was most worried about with the neighbors was there was six or seven days where we had moving trucks and it's a it's a compact street and there's no parking spot so we would just double park this moving truck from different companies because there was different people that were involved. And people would, people were really nice, which I was grateful for.

But I could tell by like the sixth or seventh day of a moving truck, neighbors were starting to get curious about what was going on. Yeah. Nothing. They'll go in, they'll check, and there'll be nothing. Everything's gone. Everything's clean. The perfect crime.

Man, and some of the stuff we did was just, could have caused an immediate call to the city. Like that shot we have of all the cars in the back alley. I totally forgot about that. How did you do that? How was that okay? We lucked out so hard. David wasn't even coordinating it.

He was in one of the cars and i was i wasn't thinking about this at all i was like hey um it was andrew shooting at that point i think right yeah i was like hey andrew um you know what and people were kind of like pulling in and from both sides i was like andrew maybe get like a pan shot i didn't mean immediately i just meant maybe get like a pan shot of all the cars because we wanted it to feel like the whole alley was packed. And it did, didn't it? Yeah.

In the shot. So he just starts doing it immediately. And it just happened that everyone like stopped. Kind of like clicked in right at the right time. Yeah. I was like, David, I don't think we need to do another take. Everyone get out of here. It was so lucky, too, because I was really getting frustrated i was like i need i need five people in cars i need six

people in cars any cars right now and no one was moving i was like oh goodness gracious and then eventually we got like four people that were there but then all the labs people rolled up just as we were doing it and so all of a sudden we have like eight or nine cars packed in there and it was it was perfect whose car had been keyed recently colin colin so we were able to get that key shot okay the amount of convincing that happened for the video too i don't know if we want to even say who it was but a certain news organization reached out asking for comment um okay this is why this is really funny that's crazy okay this is funny hold on i'm gonna i'm

not gonna say who it's from but i will say that this is a serious uh and then if i if while you look that up if i remember correctly there's a whole thread on the forum about how everyone was mind blown that you guys keyed a car for the video yeah there was a few people that were like oh you can see if you look frame by frame that it's freaky get pointed out but a lot of people no andrew's andrew were he man he worked the camera we worked the angle so good okay so this is this is the email sent to me and our ceo yeah um hey guys sorry to be shooting you a work email on easter sunday saw this super odd post on threads from your account and wanted to reach out to confirm whether it's real or a joke i've attached a screenshot

um it's just and it's that one that's like guess who's moving you notice of eviction dear uh something of linus media group we regret to inform you due to your continued failure to make mortgage payments, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was just part of this. It was part of the whole April Fool's bit. Oh, man. I recognize the meme.

Yeah, I love that. You know what? No, I think this might identify the outlet. So I'm not going to. I'm not going to. Yeah, I think my favorite fake out was there was a brand that reached out and was like oh can we get your new address we need to send some stuff to you and it was like no i didn't hear about that yeah oh my god cool that they still wanted to support yeah yeah i mean even though i you know i had we had our accountants looking up how to commit tax

and i outright said that you know sponsors weren't gonna get stuff back we've been paid before yeah sure it should be fine he's good for it he couldn't go to the same country as P. Diddy it's true I don't have

a private plane just a vision room yeah yeah exactly like you like raising up into the thing that i broke at that moment you know what's really funny is i screwed up the take i had my eyes closed oh my god that's really funny i was like hey david i think we gotta redo that take because i i have my eyes it was so good and they were like you know what no that's kind of funny oh man the the behind the scenes is over an hour and even though i was there for almost all of it i almost all of the actual shooting of the behind the scenes i wasn't there for a lot of the setup because i was on vacation i come in jet-lagged as heck kind of with a little

bit of trepidation no offense no offense understandably a little bit of trepidation this is a major major investment one that we have absolutely no hope whatsoever of recouping any any of our costs from straight up tax write-off straight up tax write-off we lost so much money on this production oh yeah all the money and so i'm coming into this shoot going okay you know we had a good script review i think everything's in probably in pretty good shape i think it's in capable hands but you never know what's my first big project um and it was enormous yes yes so there's there's so many moving pieces and so much that could go wrong and i walked in the door and i i had not intended for it to be in the cut of the youtube video when i walk in the door and i just lose it right Right. Because it was, the intention was for me to be more like in my,

just like, you know, whole character. Right. Um, but when I saw the rough cut for review and I saw that they had left it in, I went, you know what?

It kind of, it kind of works, but that was it. I hadn't seen it yet. That was, that was the moment I walked in the door. I was like, okay. Cause I saw all the editors there

dude the the four-person desks with it that's so funny like i just i i can't that's all david the bunk desk that was so funny i did and like how it's actually efficient sort of and yeah you get a lot of people like hold on a second this this kind of works yeah why is this like why does this work in my head this shouldn't work at all why am i sort of okay with this but also not and then watching people like i think you had to like crawl over someone it's just so good it's so good i want to clarify that one wasn't my idea and it's it's one of those things that it's like, I had so many meetings and like brainstorm sessions that it's such a

mishmash of a million ideas. So I don't want to take credit for too much, but I'll take credit for some of it. Yeah. I mean, absolutely a team effort. Was it Justin who put together the like bunk desks and like, so that was so early on,

I recruited logistics in order to make things possible. And i'm someone that doesn't like to ask for help i'm a i just want to do it myself i'll i'll put in the legwork this was too much but it was impossible so this was a good it was a great exercise for me because i had to communicate with people and be like okay i need help um and so they were really good about finding smart solutions like i remember going to just and be like okay i need this bunk desk for socials to sit in. He's like, just use the shelf. And I was like, I was like, oh yeah. Okay.

Yeah. When I saw that, I was like, oh, smart. That was really funny. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and the same with the desks. I had given him a drawing of like, oh, here's kind of like what I had in mind. And he, and then logistics, I think Alex was like,

can we just put a desk on top of another desk? I was like, yeah, okay, sure. The Informed Retreat asks, the only thing I'm trying to figure out is, does Gary actually like ARK at all? Obviously, he's holding Intel stock, but Linus, can you comment? Don't read too much into a joke.

There is, knowing Gary, do you guys have any idea what his background is? The guy's ethical. There's no way he's holding Intel stock and boosting ARK. What Gary is an enthusiast for is exciting, innovative, new technology. That's why the guy buys dumb stuff like QuadFX. That's why he buys into and daily drives stuff like ARK, so that he was there.

If it takes off, he was there if it takes off he was there before it took off he's an early adopter um to a fault right his personal computer is like super sick yeah of course it is it's not necessary yeah it's gary yeah yeah exactly yeah um so it's the bill he he likes the idea of there being another competitor in the gpu space and so should you and to be clear when i say his personal computer's super sick i don't mean he just like bought expensive parts and put it in a box it's like very artfully done and took some craftsmanship if i remember correctly it's hardline water cooled it's very nice it's been a long time since i've seen it but it's very nice yeah uh man there, there's like, there's so much that we could talk about.

Um, oh man, there's a lot of jokes that did not make it into, uh, the YouTube video or because, because the script was kind of rough, like there's scripted parts, but then there's parts of the script that just say crawl around on you know the people in this area and interact with them a little bit right and so man we had uh did the did the line about the the clothes being red because of the blood of the people the underpaid people who were making them did that make it into the cut the blood making the shirt red did make it in but it did i think it was sarah's blood though oh no that's a separate thing sarah's blood is on the merch shirt and we're like why

is there blood on this shirt oh because i put blood sweat and tears okay got it got it got it got it um yeah anyway there's there's some stuff that definitely didn't make it in the the energy was it was great was incredible yeah i just you could tell people it's the kind of thing that feels like a chore in the moment or like as you're getting ready for it but then you do it and then it's over and you look back on it and you're like i'm glad i'm glad i participated in type two fun i the best kind of fun i couldn't believe the commitment to the bit when i got out to backyard, found out that the hot tub heater doesn't work, and Jake Belavance...

Wait, it actually didn't? It works, but it takes like 24 hours plus of heating. And I couldn't leave it overnight because I'm not watching it. And so every hour the day before and every hour that morning, I got there like three hours early to put it in to give it a chance,

but it made no difference. It was it was freaking cold and it was actively raining wasn't it and the fact that jake bollivance and jake tyvee were like bell was in there a long time long time because he was in there from when we shot the ltd when we shot that portion of it i didn't realize they were separate that makes sense until jake tithey arrived and got in with them and then shot that entire short circuit video oh man i i i i couldn't believe it like the and the poor editors like they were there almost all day on their buckets oh they weren't sitting on buckets they were sitting on the ground oh right their desk was made of buckets yeah i got it i got a pretty good idea of what the vibe

was going to be like when david messaged the general chat and he goes hey does anyone have any camping chairs or five gallon buckets i need as many as i can get it wasn't the whip and pillory that uh that tipped you off i didn't see that fun fact that riding crop that dennis is using to hit gary with during the uh the torture scene yeah we already had that yeah create a warehouse that's some upcoming merch our new lineup oh my it was actually an inspiration piece for the ultimate cat teaser yeah

because I had told those guys I wanted the quality to be kind of similar to like a leather wrapped riding crop however that one is clearly for play i had meant more like an actual riding crop you know you know the like type of people when you you ask for that and they don't go to like stampede they go to a slightly different

organization to acquire one yeah it's like hmm anywho because we have like literally down the road yeah there's a shop you could buy an actual one for horses i know like i know pretty cool yeah now that it's over are you ready for the next one oh i thought we weren't doing another one we're never doing april fools again that is true april fools so did did you did you was it worth it it was definitely worth it and uh i had a good time doing it i was very exhausted i'm still like kind of recovering but uh i go on vacation next week so nice it's perfect timing nice um but yeah it was a thrill uh this is kind of the projects the kind of projects i want to do so i'm uh i was very happy to be doing it all right cool all right thanks david bye appreciate you sticking around with us for uh for a pretty late day for

one chat wait no sorry hold on i can't let you go just yet um speaking of you being tired okay yeah there's um we have some i forgot we had some merch pertaining to this uh robert l asks uh this year's april fool's video was probably top three for me how far out do you start planning writing and shooting the april fool's videos well we started next year's so that gives you an indication uh I was brought in to this one a few months ago, and there had already been the idea, and I was kind of given like, hey, write a script or come up with ideas, and we'll talk to Linus and stuff. So it's been probably three-ish months

that has really been sort of in progress, and then the last three weeks here for me have been 100% dedicated to this. Maybe like 90% I have other stuff to do, but so it's three months of planning kind of going and then three, four weeks of like full tilt making it happen. I'm trying to see here when we asked the tenants if they were chill with it. November 20th.

Wow. Was when we was when we pivoted because we had originally planned something else and we realized that it was not going to be possible to execute in time i think i was still a shooter at that point yeah so that was that was our initial outreach um oh no that wasn't even initial outreach that was like yvonne connecting everyone to talk about it in more detail uh wait what did ludwig just do what did ludwig just do oh no oh no we have a curse ludwig video released during wan show whoa whoa whoa what is this what did he do what is this about is this is this is this something to ludwig video just dropped okay hold on why is everyone talking about this oh no stop doing this emergency stream is that it that's live right now i don't think so

oh okay they're confused float plane notification you mean our ludwig video oh oh the ludwig video is out oh okay well that's probably bad timing uh anywho well let's continue with when sure yeah yeah floaters are floaters have got a lot of content to watch okay sorry let me just see if there's a couple of other i love you guys calling them floaters is aaron asks the april fool's joke seemed like a lot of work what was the most difficult thing the most difficult stunt to pull off i think it's the people i think there's some departments that were like super on board and there's some that i had to make it just so many accommodations for and i had to make a lot of my work was making sure that they could arrive at the house and start working because they were more concerned with making sure that they weren't losing productivity.

And so because some deadlines are not even they're not self-imposed. They're not management imposed. They're like government imposed. So I'm sure accounting had some concerns about like hitting deadlines. Well, they weren't too bad. I don't want to name the department. I'm not. I don't about like hitting deadlines. Well, they weren't too bad. I don't want to name the department. I'm not, I don't want to do that. Fair enough.

Fair enough. But I think, but I think it's getting the people there is the hardest part. There's no like single prop that was super hard. It's just like timing the people, having it all work out. And I think like, I i just we got so lucky that everything was lining up uh and there was no huge issues and it was like spitting rain sometimes but it didn't rain too much and the times we really needed to be outside and walking around it let up and like oh there was a lot that went right it kind of reminded me of some of those old

uh like production ad production shoots way back in the day for like asus and funk and stuff like that where like oh yeah i'm sure it had started if the wind had picked up like this 20 minutes earlier we wouldn't have gotten the shoot done if the if the if the water seal had broken on the camera you know five minutes earlier we wouldn't have finished getting the shoot and like just it reminded me of the old days in more ways than one uh all right let me see if there's uh any other ones here the old days as far as i can tell we have fairly diligently after the fact labeled all of the april fool's video with april fool's joke at the beginning of the title so if you want to look up our old videos

it's actually pretty easy to do i wanted to look at our 2013 one and found that a lot of them are are labeled april fool's 2016 april fool's joke well luke do you know why no because we had to because too many people believed oh it was actually causing problems and before you guys say say, hey, oh yes, oh yeah, we'll do that right away. Before you guys say, they're probably trolls, Linus, you're falling for the, no, you have no idea. I can tell the difference. After we labeled it April Fools, this should tell you,

after we labeled it April Fools, the problem went away. But a significant number of our previous April Fools have needed the label sooner rather than later, or it's been a real problem. That's pretty funny. Yeah, I just, I don't really know what to say other than, I think, was it George Carlin who famously said, think of an average person.

Half of people are dumber than that. I still love the Fractal Design R4 unboxing April Fools. It's just like, I adore this type of humor. Was it your idea to just leave it there for 11 minutes? Yeah, because back then, I hear we're going to lose laptop. You need a 10 minute videos, right? No, back then then that was the typical length of our videos and uh there was no preview like that there was no thumbnail preview

yeah or um like uh like a timeline preview that's the one so the video was just um yeah 10 minutes of it just sitting in the yard so this was i think the third time i had unboxed this case yeah the first time i unboxed it again so the second time i unboxed it was because i forgot yes i legitimately made an entire new unboxing about the define r4 not realizing i had already done it you know you've unboxed too many things when yeah and then yeah you drop it yeah i I just find this so funny. Uh, Hmm. I don't even know what I'm saying. I watched the server room on fire one. That one was not funny.

Yeah. I, I, cause my kids asked if we had ever done a prank on our staff for April fools. And that one, if I recall correctly, you guys didn't know, didn't know,

but like figured it out, I guess, pretty quickly. Why, was the reactions like really bad? Yeah, it's just, it just like isn't funny. And the fire pole one is not very good, but I'd say the rest of them. The fire pole meme lived for far too long. Luke, the fire pole meme is still alive. Still alive. Still alive.

David, can you tell us when was the last sighting of the fire pole it's in the april fools video okay people kept saying this i didn't see it it's very short i'll show you if you're watching that video there's 11 more minutes of nothing other than that case just sitting in the grass it's it's amazing that's my type of April Fool's. Yeah, I love that kind of stuff. So, hold on. Got ads. What is this ad? Okay, so here's a video. Oh, look, we've got David just floating here. I love it. Hello! Look at David.

He looks like a suggested video. Click on me. Click on me, please. I get credit for this one. Go Linus. But going out my executive exit. Oh, wait oh wait no that's not the one it's a little bit further uh hold on wait for it where did i go oh yeah here we go here we go here we go going out my executive exit okay this is david the executive exit just like out the

window so i don't have to see everyone i totally ripped that oh did you see it i didn't like put together it was supposed to be the fire pole i thought it was just like a drain pipe or so i go out and that's really funny actually dude this video is worth watching at minimum five times yeah i didn't really think about watching it again but i feel like. There are, especially for someone who actually worked out of this office, it is so full of inside jokes and references to the old days and random weird little Easter eggs and props. I don't think that if you gave me six months to do it on my own, right?

Like this is not something that could have been done in one mind. It needs many minds. I couldn't have come up with this many references and i worked there the whole time yeah like i yeah it's absolutely brilliant people are like whoa i missed that someone said why didn't you wash on a float plane which is a pretty good question that is a good question yeah the reason is because i didn't have another float plane window oh no i did have another float plane window open okay i usually don't have a second float plane window open and then i always screw up redirect the life and i go somewhere else it

takes away my chat and there's a solution to that there's a very easy solution to that but i just am in the habit of not browsing float plane because i i do this i always do it and then it closes my chat yeah um i just wanted to razz you yeah oh man so yeah float plane if you are not subscribed on float plane now is the time to do it. There's a couple of reasons for that. One is that pricing is actually going up in a little while. I've heard about this. But because of our commitment

to honoring our agreements, anyone who subscribes at old pricing will be grandfathered in at that pricing. That's cool. Because I haven't confirmed we can do that yet so we'll figure it out no they have to be okay yeah it has to be that it has this is the way sick uh yep anyway so thanks yeah minus lead development yeah i'm pretty sure it'll be fine we already have a grandfathering system i just don't know about extending it to multiple

tiers but all right we'll figure it. So we'll make it work. And the other, the other reason is that it is full of amazing content right now. They did spring break on float plane, which involved a whole bunch of exclusives. So we've got labs hide and seek. We've got extras from the bidet shoot with Ludwig. We've got Tanner revisiting black black lab computers he went back for a

six month update to see what it looks like now there was the departmental airplane paper airplane battle um which i totally won don't bother uh checking extras from the world's biggest gaming screen and of course the hour and a half long behind the scenes that uh the reviews are in and people are loving it's good it has an infinity like dislike ratio um i was i was pretty upset at you in the video because you keep being like the behind the scenes is gonna be better than video and i was like screw you the video's gonna be great but uh you're right the behind the scenes is better well it's not i didn't mean that in like an insulting way i just meant there was so much depth to everything that was going on that there was absolutely no possible way that it could be absorbed in a YouTube video length. There was no possible way. additional context and all this additional interaction uh you get to see you know just everyone kind of goofing around like the energy on the shoot was so positive i've already it's so

long that i haven't had time to watch it but i have literally marked out time to watch it tomorrow uh i'm genuinely quite excited i think the best uh the best review of it that i saw was someone saying i clicked it without checking the time stamp and then didn't check how long i'd been watching and i was an hour and 15 minutes into it that's a that's a good review that's a good stream they watched a movie yeah so kudos to the social team for putting that together and of course the editing team helps by kind of earmarking bits that don't make the cut um but they but they do go into the behind the scenes and uh oh yeah i got to give credit to sammy for just being an absolute unit because while you know andrew did awesome you know getting the the real video shot the youtube video shot when andrew could turn off his camera and take a break.

I mean, Sammy had to keep rolling. Yeah, anyway, now's a really good time to get subscribed over on Floatplane. We've got a ton of really great content over there and, of course, the entire back catalog as well. All right, I think that was it for merch messages that were explicitly directed at david okay now that we started acknowledging them a couple more of them came in um okay no no okay

no i think i think you're good i think you're good david i think that well i wanted to ask chat question because i haven't seen very many comments one about my favorite joke in the entire video which is the mad max joke where a hundred people enter one person gets rich and i'm very disappointed no one has commented about that because i think that's a brilliant joke oh i thought it was hilarious yeah because it's one of those things i was a little worried about because you know i mean you know how reddit can be uh the fact that the fact that actors have to have it in their contract, that they can't like be mean as part of their character, because then fans might not like them anymore. They might think they're mean, like that kind of thing.

The fact that that has to exist. I mean, George Carlin once did a bit about how, you know, OK, whatever. We've talked about this already. But that was one of those lines that honestly, I read it. That's David's line. That's not my line. I read it and I went,

can I trust the audience to be smart enough to know that this is a line? I am playing a character. And I wasn't sure, but I thought it was so funny and I thought it was so worth it. That was one in, before it got to you, I was told,

I don't think people will get that. You should cut it. And I was like, I will not. I will fight. It has to make it. One of the things that I liked about that was even if you didn't get it

from like a Mad Max reference, it's still funny. Yeah. It still works. Yeah. And it's just more funny if you get the reference the other thing i was wondering too i wish we had a tracker but we we we had that ps5 uh jailbreaking joke that has a link in the description because we faked you know the the

the ui to make it look like we had a hacked ps5 and if you click the link it's a rickroll and i really wish i could know how many people click that link with oh did we not use a tracked url i didn't know that was a thing we have one shit if you want something like that in the future just let me know okay we have a room set up for sponsors chat some of you guys can let me know what uh how many people that's all i wanted to know that's awesome hate and love you clicked it i clicked it clicked it yeah and twitch chat yeah i mean well those guys are idiots so i'm

i love you twitch i love you twitch chat i love you watch ads watch ads um colton colton turned the ads back on that's why the ads are back on ah so i remember i kept turning them off yeah yeah so colton turned them on he told me not to touch it anymore okay all right fine buddy so good all right all right thank you so much for hanging around today david my pleasure thank you so much for having me all right take care bye See ya. Bye. Bye, thank you. All right, moving on to your regularly scheduled programming.

Oh, wait. Are you going to... No, before we do that, we got to talk about our collaboration. I was just going to say, are you going to suit up? Yeah, dog. Yeah.

You guys might have noticed... There's two different sizes in there. Oh, okay, hold on. I'll make sure I get the right size then. I don't remember... Actually, this seems like the kind of thing that David would want. Hey, David.

Yeah? Before you wander off, let me just see if I have your size here. I think you'd be into this. Okay. We got one extra. Are you a medium or a large? Probably large these days. No.

I'm a medium. Womp womp. Okay. All right. I'm ready for my pecs chat. Check this out. Check this out. We heard from the Terry Fox Foundation, who we have never actually collaborated with,

even though we've talked about Terry a little bit on the show before. And basically, the extent of it is that they were like, hey, it would be super chill if you guys wore the shirts that we're doing this year. And then there's a, hold on, there's a message inside here. Ah, ah, here it is uh that i just wanted to read actually here uh luke do you want to read this because i'm probably going to cry if i do it so um i'm just going to change into my shirt all right i'm going to throw mine on thanks

david it would be a really funny combination of you like flexing in the shirt him crying and i'm reading out the note i would find that very entertaining uh yeah the terry fox foundation terry's courage and determination to always keep going no matter what continues to inspire millions of canadians 44 years after his iconic marathon of hope the terry fox foundation is kicking off the 2024 terry fox run by once again teaming up with ryan reynolds to launch a limited edition shirt that features the tagline, no matter what, as a reminder of Terry's strength,

persistence, and commitment to fundraise for cancer research. Canadians can now order the limited edition shirt at Terry Fox.org with all proceeds supporting critical cancer research in Canada. We encourage you to share a photo wearing the shirt alongside a caption outlining how you'll honor Terry's dream of a world without cancer. Tagging at Terry Fox Foundation and hashtag no matter what. On April 12th, the same day that Terry began his Marathon of Hope in 1980, Canadians will

be able to register and begin fundraising for this year's Terry Fox Run, which will take place on Sunday, September 15th,th 2024 thank you so much for your support absolute chad how did i read that i don't know properly i don't know that's it's an important message apparently apparently you can you can you got another gear man uh so guys go check that out we're gonna we're gonna throw uh dan do you mind throwing some links in the in the chat for everyone and we'll throw that in the video description absolutely absolutely yeah there was uh i think this was supposed to go out next week but uh registration for the fox run will open on april 12th oh okay uh did did we jump the gun i think so i'll throw some i'll throw some messages we

ended up being early uh well you know what we can give it another shout out yeah we're gonna give we're gonna get you guys a reminder next week okay so uh let's dan do you mind actually making a note of that as well to make sure that we get a reminder in there next week can they buy the shirt now though i am unsure there's already people in full-blown chat saying they're donating already okay great well you can always just donate like that's cool too because like the shirts i mean you know it's no lt t-shirt but yeah yeah it's it's a cool shirt but realistically what they need is not shirt sales what they need is money uh the terry fox foundation has done absolutely incredible work over the last four and a half decades uh in the fight against cancer and you know what cancer um

let me just i do like both the shirts are cool but your long sleeve having the writing on the arm is like pretty sweet there we go i think it's that way yeah no matter what let's go all right so uh here it is just head on over to ways to give over here you can donate once you can donate monthly um yeah absolutely incredible incredible organization do they all right thanks dan oh show off the back of the shirt hold on what's on the back there is writing on the back oh yeah there we go okay hold on you want to read it for me no matter the distance no matter the obstacles no matter the journey no matter the odds no matter what uh terry fox run for cancer research all right cool yeah ah um okay should we jump right into the show yes oh what do you want to do should we do should we

do ai is just underpaid foreigners yeah yeah let's do it all right let's do it amazon amazon will be phasing out its cashierless checkout system called just walk out which launched in 2016 you may remember that was one of my first big controversies actually it might have been might have been the first big one i think it was the first time I was ever covered in mainstream news. Who never talks about me unless it's something negative. Yeah. Yeah. So it launched in 2016. We went and checked out the Amazon Go store, which was in Seattle and was the very, very first prototype of that.

It was available at 27 of their 44 Amazon Fresh grocery stores. at 27 of their 44 Amazon Fresh grocery stores. And the idea was that it was supposed to allow customers to scan in at the door, then have the items that they pick up tallied and automatically rung up by a machine vision system using cameras and sensors. My understanding was it was more than just cameras. Like there were weight sensors on the shelves and stuff like that. However, it was recently revealed that the system was actually heavily dependent

on a large team of over a thousand overseas workers based mostly in India. Now, when I say underpaid, I'm sure that Amazon was above the legal limit in India. But what I will say is that you know probably they weren't paid that much compared to amazon's balance sheet if you are interested in this uh there's a lot of coverage on these groups and it's like really bad uh so amazon claim i mean i'm sure they'd rather be working on this than you know training like gore algorithms or whatever which is another thing that they do amazon mechanical

turk i'll jump over to my screen really quick oh no what is this they definitely don't just uh work for the you know amazon walk-in stores this is a service that you can get from amazon for a global on-demand 24 7 workforce did you know you can hire people what the fuck does amazon mechanical turk mean i don't know am i missing something here i don't know no seriously though what does mechanical turk mean like like what what what is the what is the what is this branding m turk offers developers access to a diverse on-demand workforce through a flexible user interface uh or direct integration with a simple api hold on a second can i just say that that use of the word diverse is quite possibly the most toxic that i have ever encountered ever i wonder if they count it in like in their like company diversification

organizations can harness the power of crowdsourcing via mturk for a range of use cases such as micro work human insights and machine learning development so cool dude so amazon claimed that these workers were mostly tasked with improving its machine learning algorithms by annotating training footage yes um and that is totally a thing that doesn't mean that ai is just low wage workers from overseas uh okay apparently mechanical turk was a i remember this because i looked it up when i first heard about this mechanical turk was a a chess playing robot a fake chess playing robot okay yeah i still probably wouldn't have gone with that oh yeah definitely not for sure cool yeah um anyway so that is that

is a real thing it's a fraudulent chess machine that makes it actually genuinely funnier to me sorry the mechanical turk also known as the uh automaton chess player uh or simply the turk was a fraudulent chess playing machine constructed in 1770, which appeared to be able to play a strong game of chess against a human opponent for it. For 84 years, it was exhibited on various tours. The machine survived and continued giving occasional exhibitions until 1854 when a fire swept through the museum where it was kept destroying the machine.

Afterwards, articles were published by a son of the machine's owner, revealing its secrets to the public that it was an elaborate hoax imagine naming part of your company it's like ltd's new product distributed fraud and we'll use the diverse people I love how the third benefit of Mechanical Turk is reduced cost yeah they talk about how great the team is of Mechanical Turk is reduced cost. Yeah. They talk about how great the team is, and then they're like, reduce cost! Okay.

So anyway, hold on, hold on. Okay, so back to that. Just because you are using humans to validate the data, that does not mean that it's not machine learning. It can still be machine learning. Machine learning needs to be reinforced and you can't just have another machine reinforce the other machine you actually have to have humans go in and say okay no no that was that was a sandwich uh that was not a wrap right um okay sorry people people are yelling at me to read the next paragraph uh oh no so and i i skimmed it

drack ryu says wait is this this Amazon's April Fool's joke? No, this thing has been around for quite a while. Yeah, sorry. So, yeah, the part that I think they want me to read, because people are saying the next paragraph, other people are saying the third paragraph. I think it's the third one. The Turk was, in fact, a mechanical illusion

that allowed a human chess master hiding inside to operate the machine. So it's a hidden person inside of a thing that you think is a machine it got too real here yeah okay i think they're being like super literal they're like this is an ai program that is actually a bunch of people the soylent is made out of people all right okay okay okay it's not quite that well i don't know anything about the like working conditions or whatever. But anyway, this is 100% still machine learning.

The fact that 30% of them worked without human intervention is something. But that's more like probably where they expected to be within a few months of launch, not where they expected to be eight years on from the launch. According to a report by the information around 70 percent of transactions required the intervention intervention or assistance of an unseen off-site employee as of 2022 this apparently sometimes resulted in customers waiting hours before receiving a receipt that makes sense amazon will however continue with another cashierless feature that it's been experimenting with since 2020, dash carts, which are a combination of shopping cart slash self-checkout.

This is similar to another odd case discovered in December when a supposedly AI-powered drive-thru, Presto Automation, which also needed overseas workers to step in 70% of the time according to a filing with the SEC. workers to step in 70 of the time according to a filing with the sec okay um so our discussion question is um what is the value of making it feel like something is totally automated even when it actually still takes a lot of human work to pull off one thing not mentioned in our notes here is apparently one of the other issues was that however whatever labor they were saving in cashiers, they were more than paying for in the army of people that had to go around and make sure that all of the products were perfectly faced so that the cameras could tell what people were taking off the shelves.

Oh, wow. Yeah. You know what? I mean, I made a video about it because I legitimately thought it was really cool. I expressed at the time some doubts about the viability of it. I was like, wow, it's kind of amazing that they can do this because I don't see machine vision indicators of any... They don't have a dot code on it

that whatever angle it can kind of catch a glimpse of and be sure. you know, machine vision indicators of any, they don't have like a dot code on it that, you know, whatever angle it can kind of catch a glimpse of and be sure. Like I was really impressed, but it turns out I got bamboozled. Turns out Mechanical Turk worker number 47,282 was like, I'm going to charge this guy X amount of dollars while making a cent. Speaking of which mechanical turk fees the minimum fee is one cent per assignment okay well that tells you everything you need to know about how much people are being paid

because unless they can do it'll be 700 assignments well hold on per hour amazon's definitely taking some not just hold on hold on per hour amazon's definitely taking something no just hold on hold on no no i know but that's not the math and that's also minimum fee i know that's not the math though the math is that unless a worker okay i see what you're doing can do 700 assignments per minute which would be our per hour rather which would work out to what 11 per uh 11 per second oh no hold on i'm not i can't math math me help me 700 let's say let's say 600 let's say we're aiming for 10 an hour okay so they've got to do they've got to do, they've got to do what? A hundred every six minutes. No, a thousand every six, a thousand every six minutes.

Okay, hold on one cent. Oh my God. So that's a thousand things. So they've got to do a hundred every six minutes, right? Yeah. Okay. So 10 a second. So about 10 a second.

Is that right? I don't know. on i hate can time be metric please okay uh 100 we should we should divide it by 60 we should hire mechanical here we go so they have to do about 1.7 of those a second and that assumes they are being paid 10 an hour which is not a good wage and that assumes amazon takes nothing 100 every six minutes is 10 per second where'd you get 1.7 oh i missed a zero oh so every six minutes six minutes is how many seconds a hundred every help me out I'm so tired I was mocking you oh they tried metric time people

hated it okay okay okay okay so hold on a second okay oh I said that wrong is that what I said I didn't mean to say that I meant one minute okay apparently I chat apparently can't do it either because they are all over the place why are we so bad at math okay all right i'm trying to do it fast go slow down okay okay okay so it's one second or it's point uh one cent one interaction

okay so it's a hundred interactions to a dollar it's a thousand interactions to a dollar. It's 1,000 interactions to $10, right? So we've got 1,000 interactions. If we want to get paid $10 in an hour, we divide 1,000 by 60. That's the number per minute. So that is 16.6 interactions per minute. We divide it by 60 again. That means we've got about 4 seconds per interaction.

I have done the math with a calculator this time four seconds per interaction and that assumes you're being paid only ten dollars an hour and that assumes that amazon is taking no cut what the fuck isn't it 3.6 per second yeah i think so but i think you round it up yeah i i rounded okay what the heck is going on here has anyone worked for this i like anyone in chat man that is that is wild here's the mechanical turk worker page one dude said he did i've worked for it you need to pick jobs carefully okay what does that mean i think that oh because the minimum payment thing so if you select the job i don't know if that's how this works but if you select the job you might be able to select ones that are higher value i was also reading the page and there's like different qualifications so maybe if you have a higher

qualification you can get higher value jobs and then you get paid more per job quite a few people in floatplane chat are talking about this uh someone says mturk is pretty dead now but i used to do surveys for extra money in college uh someone else said i did some mturk in college never saw a cent uh someone said i knew someone who did work for mturk they said it was mostly just transcribing documents yes i did it for beer money in college it's not full gig stuff um interesting i've worked for less with a family business okay i mean yeah fair enough i guess um in theory says mad economist i think that's one cent ones are supposed to be click on the picture containing a bicycle i mean man for how long it takes me to solve a

captcha sometimes yeah because like even that you'd have to do one every 3.6 seconds and consistently yeah like with no you better not blink or anything wow all right anyway um okay okay okay so trash cat says i've i've m turk work and yeah yeah you need to pick m carefully but generally minimum 10 cents per task in my experience okay so that's quite a bit better that's way better that's literally in order of magnitude are those more complicated tasks or is that click on the bike like i wonder how much would someone would have been paid to identify your order value from that store it must have been a lot higher i would hope so because you reviewing video footage

can be very time consuming. It's not just scrubbed through, yeah, we're good because they need to be sure. That's the whole idea because if they're training the machine vision model and they feed it incorrect data, that's a disaster. I mean, obviously, people are human. They make mistakes from time to time, especially if they're being paid pennies per interaction or whatever. But the more of that noise that you feed into your model,

the worse it is going to get. The more perfect the data you give it, the better. There's a very wide range of tasks, apparently. Some will give $5 for a 15 minute server i have worked for mturk and used it to find participants for studies interesting interesting all right well there you go mturk man i don't know how i'd never heard of this before because apparently it's a big deal valen cry said you'd have to be very diligent and hardcore to make uh more than minimum wage the good jobs are taken quick

that may be allocated within a couple minutes every few hours right because it's going to be like every in people in every time zone around the world just like sitting there waiting for a gig to show up crazy yeah okay i love twitch chat this All this Mechturk stuff looks like outsourcing low-paying jobs to third-world countries legally. Good job. Twitch gets there eventually. And in this case,

I'm pretty sure they're all contractors. They get there eventually, Luke. That's Twitch chat. They got it. They got it. They figured it out. The contractors thing makes it way worse. Here's a cookie.

Yeah, the fact that they're contractors. Yeah, contractors. Because there can be really good things about being a contractor. There can also be super bad things about being a contractor. And there's a little bit of a pattern of certain modern web companies that need actual people physically doing their jobs, using specifically contractors and paying very little. It's not great. You know what is great merch messages that's true you guys can interact with the show using a merch message don't do a super chat don't do a twitch bit the way to go is merch messages

all you got to do is head over to lttstore.com and in the checkout you're going to see a box anytime we're live where you can fill in a merch message. Do we have any merch updates that are in the doc here, Dan? I don't see anything here. Oh. Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. Right.

We've got the limited edition shirt that we did for april fools yeah these are going to be printing and i believe the next week or so well going to printing in the next week or so and then they will yeah so it's going to be available oh until tomorrow this is this is available until tomorrow and then we're going to be hopefully printing them yeah over the next few weeks here so they'll go out there it's uh sarah did this up uh pretty quick it's uh it's a welcome welcome home shirt it's got the uh the old house got the old got the old lambo car which is uh you know it's going to be more of a reference to ploof's car soon i think with what we're planning to do to it while he's on vacation oh boy well i didn't want anyone to be jealous about the fact that he's getting free upgrades

for his car oh yeah so it comes with a condition oh boy we get to decorate oh boy yeah it's gonna be good you should do a whole company paint party like last time yeah so when you leave a merch message right in the box in the checkout you will either have it show up down here you are going to get a reply from producer dan or it will be forwarded to someone internally and that person might be me and luke where we will address your merch message on the show we're going to show you guys how it works dan's going to pick us a couple curated merch messages but first i've got a quick poll for him to set up for you guys before we do those so that you guys can weigh in on what you want to see. We're working on a new short. Short. We're working on a new shirt. And we want it to

have like a name tag holder mechanism of some sort. And we want your feedback on what you think is the best. So option A is a little reinforced d-ring so that's like a little a little metal ring so this is how it would sit all right there's option a luke are you gonna weigh in on this sorry i got linked to something that was option b d-ring with a little carabiner that can be tucked into the pocket when it's not in use i kind of like that okay all right hold on so right right right this one has uh options so you can either hang it right off the d-ring or you could hang it off the carabiner if you have to uh scan in on doors and stuff like that okay option c simple folded

webbing loop and it there we go and option d is d-ring and carabiner, base of pocket. Okay? I see. So those are our four options, A, B, C, and D. Is this a tougher shirt or is this a dressier shirt? It's meant to be an everyday wear shirt. So we understand that a lot of our audience are like techs. Yeah.

And they're going to be crawling under a desk sometimes. but they still gotta look good okay so it's like a little it's not you're not working in a mechanical shop but you're not just sitting at a desk it's a it's a it's um yeah it's a it's a little bit more it's an office office worker yeah and when i say worker i don't mean like you just have to sit at the computer you can wear it for that it's great for that too but we want it to be a little bit tougher than that uh all right so here we'll get our results i think in that case if i had to vote it would probably be are they saying b yeah i'm thinking i'm saying b as well because if you need to slide around on the ground being able to tuck the whole thing into the pocket really easily seems like a cool feature yeah that could be a bonus i like

that a lot all right all right why don't we do a couple of merch messages sure first one here hey dinah's duke and lan do you have any tips for someone struggling to stay disciplined whether it be for work or a hobby oh man i think nike said it best just do it yeah i i don't really know what else there is to say you you you have to decide what's important and you've gotta you've gotta commit no excuses there's there's a lot of different way like if you are incapable of doing that there are other things you can do we talked about this on last one show actually accountability type situation yeah don't go to the gym

by yourself it doesn't work you have to go with someone you have to have there has to be a reason unless they're sick all the time yeah well i mean everyone i think i think it's fair to say that either everyone or at least almost everyone has better discipline planning ahead everyone knows that they should work out tomorrow everyone knows that they should go grocery shopping on the weekend and cook their meals but not everyone in the moment is going to feel like working out right now or going grocery shopping and cooking right now something i do specifically for both of those two things is like i'll pack my gym bag ahead of time yeah and like i'll leave it like by the door so that it's like it's shaming you yes it's a reminder the food thing to prep it before you're hungry and then when it's that meal comes

up it's like oh you like could eat junk or you could go get some food or you could order delivery or whatever but actually the easiest option right now is eating the stuff you already prepped so like remove barriers of difficulty and i don't know if people are gonna like this but yeah increase levels of like you know know, have a buddy that does the thing with you or your partner or whatever else. Try to keep you on it. Like have a workout buddy or do meal prepping with someone else. I don't know. So I never book badminton by myself.

I book it ahead of time because I know that, you know, I should go exercise and you know do stuff and then when it's time to go well there's a lot of obstacles to not going i'm gonna have to pay anyway because i signed up ahead of time and i'm not gonna be there so they're gonna be short people so the rotations are gonna be off so i better go someone in full plane chat said we have no friends i actually don't agree that that's an excuse got him because not only is there a bunch of online communities where people are in the exact same boat and you could probably find an accountability buddy there but i've found if you go to the gym for example if we're just using that that one it's actually quite easy to make friends everyone there is there for the same reason yeah everybody and like uh like

i made friends with this dude literally earlier this week because i saw he had lifting shoes and he finished a set and was just kind of standing there so i walked up to him and was like hey what's up he's like hey what's going on i was like i saw you have lifting shoes how do you like those and his whole he just lit up everybody if you ask them but like what they're doing or why they spent all this time researching it they spent all this money on it they're using it actively they've worked really hard no one in their life cares at all like not even a little bit wow you sound uh you sound mad it's i'm not mad are you you mad, bro? It's just real. Because like...

He's always trying to tell me about how much he lifted. I'm like... Doesn't even care a little bit. Is that a lot? Yeah, that's the worst one. That's the worst. Sounds like a lot. Good job.

Nobody cares. Gold star. But that other person at the gym might actually actually care yeah so like it's it's quite easy to make friends with people there um if you if you work in an office try to find someone else like if they're if they're often going out for food every lunch you know try to make a pact with them like let's let's eat let's take our lunches together and eat together and eat stuff we brought home like brought from home like let's make this likees together and eat together and eat stuff we brought from home. Let's make this like a thing.

Hold each other accountable. Let's try to save some money, eat better, stuff like that. And you don't even have to do it because you're like, oh, I want to lose weight. You could do it because you wanted to save some money. You can make great things at home. I don't know. It's an option.

Oh, man. Common Twitch L. I actually hate you no super chats just buy something from me and i'll mention your comment so you'd rather just throw money at the screen than get something in return this is actually better how can you not see that yeah like i've i've had people at the gym well i'll ask them about like a certain movement that they're doing or whatever yeah and it'll get they get so excited about it i'm like these they don't know who i am i'm just some random dude at the gym yeah they'll get so excited about

it that i they end up talking to me about it like far longer than i had hoped they would i'm like ready to do my next set of whatever i'm doing like kind of hoping this person will stop talking but they're just like so stoked to talk about this thing that they're really interested in oh no they're still mad because they don't have to spend because they don't have to spend shipping costs on their don't then just buy a gift card and never use it yeah it's crazy there's loopholes it's it's a it's a it's nuts why do you want to give me money for nothing buy a backpack set the shipping address to like a homeless shelter boom sure you donated a backpack like oh man you guys are killing me here you're killing me you know what you know what banned boom oh you lost your

privileges it finally happened you lost your privileges all right look what you've done twitch no wait hold on no no that's not that's not bringing them back one person can't represent the whole there yeah never mind get wrecked uh all right two other things i'll add just really quickly you can you just can't shut up about this you are actually you are actually perfectly exemplifying the phenomenon you're talking about you get a gym person talking about the bloody gym yeah they can't shut up it is a problem it's not possible literally go on forever i've done it to dan i'm living vicariously through luke is it it's not it's true living vicariously through Luke. Is it?

It's not. It's true though. I think every time I have brought it up, people are like, well, have you tried this? Cause it's all, it's all interesting.

And I'm like, no, the research shows. I've done. Did you hurt your shoulder? Well, actually I didn't hurt my shoulder. I read the papers on the full-length

partials are good for the uh um anyways no but like there's there's two things that i use as well one is try to do better than yesterday so if you're if you're like oh i don't want to take the stairs today i'm tired and then just let that thing in the back of your head go like you did it yesterday you did it yes you found a way yesterday and then found a way yesterday. And then it's like, oh, fine. And then you go do it. It's great. And then the, I had another one. Well, that's fine because it's time to do another merch message. Dan, hit us.

Okay, sure. Let's see. Hello, WAN.dll. Prevents dill. Hello, WAN.dill. I'll be starting my first home lab soon and would like some advice on security. What's some ways I can keep my family safe while they use my services, such as Jellyfin?

Well, I mean, if you are the one running the services, I don't think there's much that you have to do to keep your family safe. They're a threat. Your family? No, this person. Oh. How do I protect them from myself yeah i mean okay i'm gonna get i'm gonna get flamed for this i i know i know it i know it realistically

unless you are some kind of getting a jellyfin server and like having a port open on your router probably fine is it vulnerability yes it is are you running windows defender probably probably right it's probably fine um i mean i would say i would say you know a more realistic concern would be you know how do i manage the parental settings to ensure that young kids don't just have access to all the r-rated movies in my library like i i i would i would be more focused on the practical concerns just you know change your default passwords keep everything up to date you know the the basics the basics just make sure you're going in and making sure everything's chill uh check the logs for the devices that have connected to your network once in a while use guest wi-fi guest wi-fi totally awesome uh if you want to be if you want

to be a little bit if you want to be a little bit more careful you know have a really strong password on your main wi-fi like there's just you're asking this and you have iot devices running on your main network you're addressing the wrong problem i would also say yeah that's another one i mean we don't know that you do it's possible that you that you've got a lot of iot network yep my family was murdered by an open jellyfin port you monster i saw someone say last pass was hacked by a dev having plex on their system or whatever but that's almost like proving linus's point if you are a person that would be a very particularly interesting person to hack for whatever reason like a dev on a piece of security software that stores the passwords to like millions of people's accounts yeah um then yeah doing that type of stuff you're opening

yourself and if you're that person then i shouldn't be advising you on cyber security anyway go figure it out yeah so there's that yeah uh all right got it um do you want to do another time oh we should do sponsors let's get sponsors we do three merch messages read the sign no did we do it though no we're a little bit strange on time let's do sponsors and then yeah the show is brought to you by sea sonic one of the hardest parts of our april fools prank or video was trusting dennis to be in my house again uh my notes just say briefly talk about the car break-in prank so i come out of the house and see this someone is running away a bunch of stuff is spilled. You can tell I'm not chasing super hard. Yeah.

I had a bone to pick with you about that. What was that? Okay, hold on. Apparently we are taking a break from sponsor spots for a second here. We can talk about this later. Okay, fine. I made a little section at the bottom of the doc for things to talk about later then. Okay.

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wait you were you were there in person so it didn't really make it into the edit because dennis edited it but he man the number of times he should have been disqualified from that man actually frustrated like not acting frustrated i was actually frustrated at like he was taking it didn't make any sense it wasn't fair he was taking extremely long breaks in fairness i got the same breaks yeah but i didn't need them you would have he was completely unable to fight and would have been disqualified yeah like he couldn't move yeah anyway so yeah he apparently hasn't been working on his cardio enough no so he he jogs around the corner and you just like speed walk after him well why did you even go okay okay so

there's there's a number we caught him because he gave up because he's probably too tired from going around one corner there's a number of elements here okay one oops i keep absolutely nothing of value in my car nothing ever oh the backpack was chase's car okay yeah there was what was like spewing out of the car uh that was the contents of my glove box so basically there's tissues there's a power inverter there's some napkins there's some sanitary pads um there's like uh oh there's some extra hardware for my offset license plate mount there is nothing of value in my car ever like if i go into a restaurant you've seen me do this hey you bring the bag i bring my backpack in with me i leave i mean look at that stupid thing

yeah if that's not a high profile target, I don't know what is. So I make sure there's nothing in it. It's clean. You look in the window, you're like, damn, that's a clean car. Like nothing, not even crumbs of food. There's nothing in there. So that's number one. What am I chasing him for?

Nothing. So you had that thought? Yeah, I know there's nothing in my car but your your glass is broken number two that glass is not going to be unbroken by catching the guy i'm going to go through the exact same insurance rigmarole regardless of what happens with him so what difference does it make number three what if the guy's armed so i don't know what i'm gonna go i'm gonna go put my body and my life which i value by the way i'm gonna go put that in even if the even if the risk was one percent i'm gonna take a one percent

chance to to have a violent encounter with someone over literally nothing of value. So here's my counter to all of that. Hold on, I'm not done yet. And glass that is already broken. The glass cannot be unbroken through anything other than insurance and dealing with the hassle of taking it to the shop means.

Finally, number four, I caught a glimpse of his face and i thought it might be dennis okay dennis actually at all because you thought it might because my thing is like if the first three or two which is fair fairly good reasoning why go anyways well i was noting you were putting chase yeah but because he was so slow he was also so no his speed varied it was hard to tell from the footage okay but he like booked it and then like slowed down it was like he wanted me to chase him so i was like now to be clear when i say i saw the face he kind of had his hood down i didn't know you wouldn't know for sure i didn't know it was dennis decent distance hood on so i didn't know and i told him

i told him at the time i was like you got me because even though i i had all those thoughts and even though i thought and he actually found the frame where like yeah yeah yeah where i was like he's like is this because i smile a little bit but then but then no no because but he got me because after that the the fake glass the fake glass was what convinced me so they rolled down the window and they made sugar glass and like put it so i've gone through that before i've actually had my car broken into multiple times. And that feeling of kind of shock, not shock, but like that feeling where it actually takes a second to process. When you come into a building and it's been broken into, everything is right except the things that are wrong and it can actually take a second so this one time i i parked my car outside of our garage overnight because there was like something

in the way and i come out in the morning i sit down all the way in my driver's seat and the first thing that registered for me was actually that the seat was way back interesting i didn't actually see because i'm not in i'm not doing a pre-flight check on my car i'm not inspecting it i'm just getting in and driving and so i sat down into my seat and went well this isn't quite right yeah and then oh then i noticed the shattered glass all over the passenger seat so like it it can it can take a a second for something to click and um and so what when i saw the shattered glass i actually like had that click moment i relived yeah yeah like my car's been broken into like the glass was the thing that made me realize two times when my car had been broken into. So what Dennis did, whether it was intentional or not, was he tapped into an experience I've had before.

He tapped into a memory. There's no way he knew that. And recalled that emotional state that made me sort of be dismissive of my suspicions and kind of go my car's been broken into yeah so it wasn't the right color and like yeah some of it was like almost a yellowy because it's like sugar glass sugar yeah exactly but some of it was okay yep so i wasn't looking that close you know maybe it got some gross water on it or whatever that's what did the discoloring yeah uh the video is on on flow plane so you can check it out um

yeah the the only time my car has ever been broken into was there nice i don't know if you remember but i hold on so uh here's where they're here's where they're setting up uh i don't know this so that's when they were preparing the fake photo of chase's car oh here if you go if you go back you saw the orange backpack so he's editing it right there okay yeah because this is this is the fake he's trying to use ai to generate the glass then he ends up just doing it himself yeah so he um he he kind of it's a really good planted the seed in my mind of cars being broken into yeah which was really smart actually yeah i honestly at the time i was like why are you telling me this like cars can be broken into anywhere like i i don't really sure i guess um yeah so they had

they got sammy to have me shoot an intro for something that he didn't need at all um and i was like yeah sure i'll shoot an intro for you i mean i like to be helpful so here he is making the broken glass see some of it is really nicely colored and then other bits are yellowy sugar glass yeah uh dennis told me by the way this might be in the video i'm not sure but he told me at the time that they carefully did not get any sugar glass in my car. There's definitely some in there. There was sugar glass in the car. There was sugar glass in the car.

They burst one of the ketchup packets that was in my glove compartment and it got all over the passenger seat. Oh, no. It's like, pumped him by getting his car and like dumped a bunch of my stuff onto the like wet dirty sidewalk and i'm like okay cool thank you for that like what anyway um yeah my my car got broken into at the old office and i had i had this the first nice piece of clothing i ever bought was this leather jacket from danie that was called the name of the jacket was luke nice and i didn't know that until i had picked it i was like this is perfect and then it was stolen out of my car um sag oh tynan wants to know scratched floor or dirty car more annoying

definitely the scratch floor that is permanent yeah that's forever it's like a diamond diamond floor baby um yeah i might have to fight dennis again so we'll see budgerin asks why do you have ketchup in your glove box well where else would i keep it under the seat they don't give out ketchup packets by default at fast food restaurants anymore oh so it's for if you like forget to ask yeah okay then i have a ketchup packet and it turns out that if you keep them forever they do go bad in case anyone was wondering about that was that one bad no okay no no no no it's been replaced recently because now i know well some of them don't have expiry dates on them some do i just love that this is like an

actual problem that you've sought a solution for found issues with the solution and improved upon and iterated that solution that's fantastic that's my whole life luke like what i'm gonna eat fries without ketchup this actually does sound like a particular linus problem that you would like seek out a solution for i fully would believe that oh yeah 100 and like man i i you need exactly the right amount of ketchup i take my fry and i like you've probably seen me do this yeah i've seen that i put a strip of ketchup on the whole fry so the ratio is right. Yeah. I've 100% seen that. Yep.

Okay, what are we doing? Two more topics? Three more topics? Somewhere around there. Oh, Dan wants to do merch messages. All right. Sure, Dan. I don't think we have that many this week.

We're a little out of order, unfortunately. Oh, I see. Yeah, I've got some curated ones for you here. All right, hit me. I don't know. What do you think about that top one? unfortunately oh i see yeah i've got some uh i've got some curated ones for you here all right hit me um i don't know what do you think about that top one i mean i haven't paid enough attention to it but luke might know and buddy spent like 500 so i guess we can uh whoa yeah i bought a screwdriver a backpack a other more different screwdriver a stubby screwdriver a banana for scale a whole bunch of bits a sticker pack and a shaft extension uh so is this is this stop killing games that's

right yeah and i don't know i've seen this guy for a while do you want me to do you want to read this out yeah sure if you know what's going on yeah because i haven't i haven't i haven't looked into this so yeah hi linus and luke what do you think of ross scott's call to action against ubisoft killing the crew do you think we have any chance of preventing future games from being destroyed um now i've followed this guy for a while yeah yeah so maybe dan can do this merch message because maybe maybe luke and i haven't paid attention to this i i had had it flagged for me, and I've seen some community sentiment around this that is like, that this is something we need to be supporting,

but I hadn't had a chance this week to dig into it. Yeah, I've seen his videos, but I'm not up to date on this. Yeah, he had some really good thoughts. I hope it was him. Ages ago, about always online games that are single player, that the companies go, the companies go oh well you know we can't afford the server upkeep anymore and so the game that you have paid for you are now no longer able to play and so a lot of uh a lot of people will take these servers and host them themselves i know

there's a bunch of different games that kind of have community hosted servers and there's no more dedicated you know first party ones anymore um so i think this is probably a call towards that right a game that linus and i enjoyed to play every now and then is like that um subcom i don't remember what's the commander forged alliance forged alliance or wait forged alliance forever is the community takeover of the game that was allowed to happen after gas powered games went yeah yeah but was it was it gas powered that let them do it like some some there was like a i forget which party ultimately uh enabled that but it's pretty cool and recently i think it's city of heroes there's unfortunately a lot um and i think the worst offender is probably single

player games sorry forge alliance forever was an example of a good thing yeah we're currently trying to talk about good things yeah i think i think it was city of heroes that recently just publicly was like yeah people can host their own servers and iterate on the game and everything and good luck i don't remember what it was i might be seeing the wrong one yeah but there are some few good examples there are good examples and i think those are probably the outliers in the situation mostly bad ones it's mostly like this yeah um right and and it's very frustrating especially because they're still an active community even though they may be small but they're still active well yeah the this blurb here says um the video game the crew this is on stop killing games.com this blurb says the video game the crew published by ubisoft was recently destroyed for all players

and had a player base of at least 12 million people that That's an interesting number. Yeah, that's not a small... I'm assuming that was at one point in time. I can't imagine there's that many people playing The Crew right now, or there's no way they'd be shutting it down. But I mean... They might be surprised, yeah.

I don't know. Due to the game's size and France's strong consumer protection laws, this represents one of the best opportunities to hold a publisher accountable for this action. If we are six if we are successful in charges being pressed against ubisoft this will have a ripple effect on the video games industry to prevent publishers from destroying more games and then there's like

buttons to click where you can take action and in various countries and stuff like that yeah yeah that's right i watched his video on the crew about a month ago it came out dead game news is this series yeah yeah it's brutal we talk about on wancho all the time um this seems like a good thing to jump on the train for so yeah i mean look i'll say this is not a creator that i'm personally i'm not personally acquainted with so i don't yeah um but you know what i do know is i agree with the cause and if all you're being asked to do is sign a petition that says that you don't think this is okay then i think that's something that i can wholeheartedly recommend without like i already said doing any due diligence on this um i intend to sign the petition once the show is over and i i can do

that um yeah i do think please don't right now yeah no i'm busy right now i i do think that these companies need to be held accountable and i think that if there are no monetary consequences not only is nothing ever going to change it is going to get so much worse oh yeah because a lot of especially younger consumers don't even understand what they've lost yet. Even the games that do still exist, the modes, the ways of playing them that have changed as games as a service evolve are gone. I mean, think back to what it was like when you finally quit WoW and how badly you wanted to just play classic wow again and blizzard finally did it and then my understanding is they kind of bunged it up because didn't they start like

updating it again yeah and like you you already can't actually play classic again now nice because it progressed through the expansions so it's already so what they need to do is they just need to do like a wipe system. Yeah, there are other games that do that. Like if I remember correctly, EverQuest has a very similar, like you can play original like 1999 EverQuest or whatever it was, 2001. I don't remember. Maybe RuneScape was 1999, whatever.

And they wipe frequently. And most of the active players as far as my understanding goes for the everquest one are on the servers that are fresh because people want to play fresh experiences where everyone's starting back at scratch all that type of stuff um but yeah i think the runescape speaking of runescape didn't the runescape creator just make a new game actually you can still play classic era okay yeah uh i think i forgot that was a thing oh okay well there you go i don't know older school runes game yeah it's classic era wiping though i don't think it's wiping they're just permanent servers right i don't know whatever

either way um okay next up yep hey lld is there a reason why 256 characters is the default max path on ndfs still we run into this on my work ndfs server and it's infuriating especially because some apps don't serve proper errors man that's a question for a windows developer um if i had to guess i would say it's because it hasn't been a priority to fix it. I mean, there's so, so many things in Windows or Gmail or basically anything you use that just haven't been updated because it's not the most important thing i can work on today right and i mean we run into that all the time stuff that theoretically is a quick bug fix but in practice is just never the thing that's on fire today i've talked i've talked about that

to a few people here where it's like i i wouldn't worry so much about your job security in the sense of you running out of work to do. There is effectively an infinity list of tasks that we could do. Yeah, yeah, don't stress. The biggest problem is figuring out what item on this infinity list is the thing that we should work on right now. And sometimes it can be frustrating because someone can be really passionate about one of the things on the list yeah but there's this other thing that maybe it has to be done for some and you might not fully understand why that other thing is more important but it is yeah at least we strongly believe it is

people make mistakes we get things wrong uh this is a suggestion quantum rand in floatplane chat says uh try asking dave's garage on youtube if there's anyone who is likely to both a no and b dish i would say that it would be dave's garage um also apparently this is according to positron there is a uh registry edit where you can go in and you can change it to a higher limit uh you have to change uh files to set concurrent control set control file system long paths enabled uh and that changes the limit according to matthew o to 4096 characters which ought to be enough for anyone that's a reference which bill gates apparently never said anyway it doesn't matter yeah okay there's um there's some reason why i had to do that in the past i don't remember what

it was i think it was like development file paths that were just getting ridiculous developers developers developers developers developers developers developers gotta go the nested folders for days yeah all right dan sorry uh let's see uh good evening dll question for you three or whoever answers ivory towers are very prolific in manufacturing companies dod subcontractors included uh how do we better guard against detached decisions? I don't know. It's tough. Because even making a conscious effort to talk to people and work in the trenches at this company, as we've grown, it hasn't always been easy to fully understand the daily challenges that people have. We had someone raise a concern. So I was frustrated on a shoot recently when a prop that was integral to the intro was not sourced. Well, we had it at one point, but at some point we lost it. And then when we realized we lost it, we didn't source a new one. I landed on set and I was like, whoa, I can't arrive on set and the intro doesn't work because the prop I need for the intro isn't here. We don't have one. This was so preventable. And the conversation that ultimately came out of that was, hey, we don't have a process

for just anyone making a petty cash decision and then begging for forgiveness later. There just isn't a means for it. And it was a funny thing for me to think about because even before I ran my own company or whatever, that was 100% something that I just did. If something was like 50 bucks and I knew that I could defend it to the ceo i would just spend the 50 dollars and worry about it later but uh that is that is not a recommendation if there if there's for real though right like i got away with being a bit of a maverick, but that's not necessarily good for your career. You now would deal with managing you back then.

Oh, God. It would actually be like quite the clash. I would be very frustrated. Both of me would be very frustrated always. Anyway, the point is, what came out of that was that, hey, we don't have a formalized, one of CEO Taren's favorite words is explicit. We don't have a formalized process that gives people explicit permission to make a decision

like that. A lot of people just do it anyway. So, especially people who have been around since the old days and who have been doing it for years but especially new people don't know they don't realize they come from other companies where we're spending 20 bucks that you weren't allowed to spend could literally mean getting a dressing down right like i and that's so that's so foreign to me like i that doesn't make sense in my world because i never worked in that environment and i'm not going to foster that environment here but that's quite efficient yeah i came across my

supposed uh approval limit i don't remember when this was like a few months ago or something and just erupted with laughter i was like oh i have approved things wildly beyond this many times like yeah that's actually bad though i didn't know no one told me oh my god because the approval limits were set up when floatplane was completely separate so it was genuinely not communicated to me at that time so like our cloudflare contract, which is like enormous. I fought for the best, genuinely fought for like the best thing we could get in a lot of these occasions. And that's the thing, though. Which I think is why I didn't get in trouble.

In good faith, if you are doing the best thing for the company and you can defend it, like that's honestly the guiding star that i lived by was could i argue this and win yeah and if i can argue it and win then the conversation's over and this is not advice and realistically the trust level goes up it can however if you if you just do what you think is right, and it turns out that either you weren't right or your boss is an idiot and doesn't understand you were right, it could be very harmful to your career prospects. It could even get you fired depending on what's going on. So it's genuinely not advice. Yeah, and that end, my mom loves to phrase things this way, especially around traffic lessons for the kids.

She goes, it doesn't matter if you're in a crosswalk. It doesn't matter if the light is red. It doesn't matter if you see the little walkie man. You check, you make sure they are actually breaking because sure, you can be right. And dead. But you'll be dead right yeah yeah um and i think it's those are those are words to live by and everything you know walking across the street uh career relationship it doesn't matter if you're right if you get killed in the process yeah xg ford says boss's idiot is the issue that's fair enough uh data freaking says got

hit in a crosswalk yeah 100 yep yep arbiter k says i was hit by a car and i was on a crosswalk had the right of way 100 man i uh i i didn't take a course until i learned to ride a motorcycle and what i found out was i just kind of naturally do a lot of defensive driving things but one of them is that i do not start moving when a light turns green no way scan i am making sure i am making damn good ensure that the cars on both side are decelerating with enough space to not enter the intersection every single time i've been honked at because i've been like i have not determined that it is safe to proceed yet and i'm just sitting there um i had a i i've a very clean driving record i've never hit anything i've never been hit i've

everything's nice i had a scare the other day it was raining really, really hard. Visibility was not very good. I'm turning in a, it's like off a seldom used street into a parking lot. There's someone that comes out from behind my pillar. Like I couldn't see them. And they're wearing all black. Visibility is terrible. It's raining. And I see them come to a stop and I slam the car into a stop at the same time and it's like possible that that could have been bad and i was just like oh man um and like because like it

doesn't matter they're wearing all black it doesn't matter that it's raining it's still your fault yeah uh ceo taryn ceo taryn has uh had a really good uh trick that uh i've used since i saw him do it uh whenever he goes around a blind corner, he'll flash his beams or honk, like if it's a bad blind corner. And I saw him do this in a parkade was where it first came up to give you some idea, like how blind this corner needs to be. Don't honk your horn every time you turn your car, obviously. But like... That's a good one yeah in uh there's a there's a part there's a parking lot that i often pull into that has an uncontrolled t

intersection where there is not a lot of traffic and you may have even seen me do this but if it's nighttime i flash my beams as i'm going toward that intersection to make sure that's it's obvious someone is coming you never you never know like people people get hit by trains and that's not because they're dumb it's sometimes it is but it's often not because they're dumb it's because it's not always obvious unless there is like motion there so there has to be something to break us out of our out of our zone super zoned out sometimes yeah exactly exactly yeah i i have caught myself being really aggressive about like physically moving myself so that i can check behind pillars whenever i'm going around corners i've always been really good about checking for bikes

all that other type of stuff but i i realized in that moment that i don't think i've been super good about making sure there isn't a thin pedestrian behind the pillar you know it's something i've noticed too as i'm getting older shoulder checking is more work it's like actually harder now that's interesting like i don't think i've really thought about that i used to be i used to be like skinnier and just you know just generally wirier like I didn't take up as much space uh like I've probably since I since I worked at NCIX I've probably put on about 25 pounds which at for five six is like a fair bit I'm just like generally stiffer like I'm just always like sore from working out in your in your defense

i think a lot of it's been muscle yeah but i just mean like like i was just like you know just like moving around in a seat yeah it was easier it does get harder yeah um and like you know you know my neck's stiffer than it used to be and stuff so so it's it's something that i i realized a little while ago and i was like okay i need to make a very conscious effort because I was the kind of person who would like make sure I've got nothing in front of me and like look behind me like not a peripheral vision shoulder checker I was like

anything back there let's go yeah but yeah just I just my cheapness doesn't want my insurance rate to go up so I don't want to hit anything that is not the reason. And I care about everyone being perfectly safe all the time. Can you at least try to convince me?

Hey, man. They both count. What a dick. At least your car is already red. All right, Dan. What are we supposed to be doing? That's a good point. My leather is white.

Do you know how bad a decision that was? Dan, you can keep doing topics if you want. It's even further in the incontinence sets in oh i mean there's that too chipotle i mean we saw dan leaking in the badminton center tour oh yeah that's bad what there was like a puddle on the floor and i made an offhand joke about dan peeing himself or something or like i was just getting over food poisoning. Something.

And he goes and like, what did you do? You like crouched over it or something? I don't remember. I actually can't remember. He did something. Everything here is just a fever dream. It's just like, Dan, the joke, you've taken the joke. The joke was awful and uncomfortable.

It's for the editors to cut back. Yeah. The editors can find the line. Yeah. Who has more power in this company than the editors for real though oh they can make or break you yeah they are the most important thing absolutely can that's yeah that's something ed taught me early on not not in like by doing it by making me look terrible yeah because you were all like never piss off your it admin and he was like never piss off your editor because he excuse me when he first joined he kept saying like it's all in the edit it's all in the edit and i was like it's all in the way and then i was like oh yeah we'd film something i'd be like this was trash

no one's ever gonna want to watch this and it comes out of the edit. I'm like, wow, it's pretty good. It's pretty watchable. Okay. Like a couple of frames can make you seem like a non funny, like bumbling idiot or sharp witted and hilarious. It's actually like frames. It's nuts. Yeah, exactly.

A little bit onto the end of every clip. So you just seem like you're kind of nothing lands and there's like awkward pauses and then you turn back and it's great it's a whole roast video that had no laughter in it it's amazing yeah to be clear it didn't need a laugh track people were losing it um but we didn't have the we didn't have the audience miked yeah ironically one of the first productions we ever did where we hired a professional av company to come in and run the production for us i had we had so many comments on that video you know these dummies never get it right it wasn't even us oh come on i mean we do make mistakes absolutely but if i'm gonna own mistakes i'd like for them to at least be our

mistakes it's got six million views yeah did okay it's really funny i've gone back and watched it a couple times i'm sure i've said this a bunch of times but i i i'm guessing on i on average i watch it like once a year yeah it's so funny i always forget at least a good chunk of it yeah dennis and yvonne are so good oh man yvonne did not hold back no oh that was great anyways we're doing topics let's do it we have a lot of topics today you got about 40 minutes till after dark intel's megafab, possibly haunted. Intel's planned German Megafab has run into a potential snag in that the currently empty field where it's supposed to be built is also the site of several Neolithic burial mounds estimated to be about 6,000 years old. Archaeologists have been examining the area since last year and noticed that a small hill in the industrial park was actually an ancient grave complex. The site contains multiple graves, including a chariot burial where sacrificed cattle were buried alongside a human being in formation that was meant to imitate a driver and cart pulled by the animals. Archaeologists will be working to preserve the discovery, though intel is still expected to begin construction on schedule can you imagine being that archaeologist like usually i would imagine you're kind of working you know within budget at a pace that

is reasonable and it's going to be like pat gelson you're breathing down your neck can we build yet there are billions of dollars do you have any idea how much our stock just crashed based on how our fab business is looking right now? I have some investors to please. Can we build yet? It would be kind of sick if they did like a statue of the chariot set up. To be clear, I still like Intel in the long term, but I made it very, very clear.

Not investment advice. Never investment advice. Not investment advice. When I said said that that it was a long-term play long-term play like geopolitical at some point something might happen to tsmc and intel's fab business might do really good long-term play okay that's all uh what else we got google deletes incognito data yeah google has agreed to delete all data collected while users were browsing an incognito mode in order to avoid a potential five billion

dollar fine for failing to adequately inform users that google was still tracking them google initially argued that its incognito mode landing message that users activity might still be visible to websites that they visit was a sufficient warning, but gave up quickly after a judge decided that this language was obviously misleading. Meanwhile, Google is testing device bound session credentials. Great. great a way of cryptographically tying session credentials to a specific device in order to prevent bad actors from accessing sensitive accounts by stealing and cloning session credentials discussion question is this enough what about all the money they made with this data while they had it that's a good point that is a good point i have no idea i think this should decrease their fine i don't think it should

eliminate the fine yeah i like they did the bad thing it's not like you can be like oh yeah i killed that guy but like look look how alive he is um hello welcome to the wenshow exactly you like that's not how that works you can't uncrime so for something like this in my opinion they should figure out how much they profited off of them and that should be the fine if they stop doing it impossible though how could you possibly quantify that i agree i mean but that's how i would like it google might have their own internal metrics for how much they think the data is worth but you're basically you're just trusting google yeah to tell it to tell you what it was worth yeah there's weekend

at google's they should absolutely i can't take credit for that joke that's uh that's g-dub and float plane chat heck yeah it should um there should absolutely still be a fine this is this is getting off with nothing essentially they did a crime until they got caught and then didn't get in trouble for it yeah it's like you've been robbing banks for a long time yeah it's like you're cheating on your spouse you're cheating on your spouse for 10 years and she catches you and you're like okay well i will stop i will not cheat anymore in this specific way and then she's like great yeah well no harm no foul then like what that's not how this works that's not how anything works apparently anyways one that i want to talk about yeah discord wants you to make your friends watch ads

nice this week discord will be expanding its quest program which i didn't even know exists which sends notifications to some users with an offer of in-game rewards. If they play certain games and stream them to their friends, these streams will have ads that live in the bottom left, uh, bottom left hand corner, I guess of the screen. These ads will be targeted based on information collected by discord. The users can opt out both of this data collection and all notifications

related to quests. Hmm. this data collection and all notifications related to quests hmm i have been wondering this whole time how streaming on discord makes any sense for discord at all and this really didn't help me understand do tell are there costs like is it is it direct user to user somehow are they i don't think so so it's going through discord i mean so all the bandwidth of streams is going through discord and they're going to offset it with this i mean this is better than nothing but i just i just i mean honestly luke it must be it must be going through their infra because otherwise why would they limit the quality so hard yeah i mean that's a good point like it could be just you know to make you pay for nitro like you can make that

ability reasons because some people's computers won't be able to do it but realistically i i doubt it because when when discord was in hey we're just just VC funded and don't need to make any money, let's go mode, they made everything as great as they possibly could. I think I actually, even from a user safety standpoint, I kind of feel like they would have to have it go through their infra.

Yeah, because there are public servers that people stream in, for sure. Yeah. And they could potentially be liable for what someone sent to someone else on the platform like they'd have to have some kind of record of that um apparently it is direct oh discord streams usually go through stun turn servers okay hold on hold on we're getting some no we're getting some uh conflicting information in the floatplane chat so i'm not 100 sure hold on people are saying yeah google did not commit a crime um just okay technically probably not but stealing telling you you're not telling someone you're not going to take their personal information and then taking it is that not a crime it might not technically be a

crime but it's certainly not nice and it should be that's that's where i'll that's where i'll leave that sure we if it isn't it should be none of this is legal advice yeah hey that thing he said yeah legal advice yeah that thing he said yeah if it's peer-to-peer i've never looked into this because like i don't care that much it just seems a little weird to me if it's peer-to-peer i totally get it sounds good um yeah routing it through their service yeah yeah whatever um but if it's peer-to-peer then sure okay they found a cool way to monetize it whatever you don't have to do the quests you can opt out of the data collection stuff seems all fine to me um how it all goes live yeah i don't have time to read this right now

but if if they are doing like transcoding or anything for it it makes no sense to me at all if it's directly peer-to-peer, then sure, okay, makes sense. Go live streams are transmitted to Discord's backend and then routed to viewers. This hides the IP addresses between users on the call and allows the service to control where the data is routed. For example, the service will only relay

video to a participant on the call if they are watching it. The go live stream is constrained by how much data can go through the network because the stream needs to be watchable for every viewer. The streamer will not transmit more data than what the slowest connection can support. So that could be a major reason that they don't allow super high stuff.

Yeah. In addition, a streamer will only transmit data if at least one viewer is watching. Estimating bandwidth is complicated. How we measure performance. So yeah, yeah, they're not transcoding that helps a lot no yeah no the client transcodes yeah yeah doesn't solve everything okay but do they still are they still absorbing the bandwidth cost?

That's what I want to know. I'm not sure. Either way, Discord's model has always been kind of wild to me. You look at how much Teams and Slack cost, and then you look at what Discord does, and in a huge amount of cases far better than either of those platforms and it's like what maybe the real question should be why does teams cost that much well it isn't slack like uh did you see teams is being decoupled from office did we talk about

that on winch already we haven't talked about that on Wenshow, but that is very interesting. Yeah, it's interesting timing. Microsoft's clearly going, hmm, we pushed this really hard in a way that regulators are going to be probably super unimpressed by. Maybe if in good faith we decouple this now, they won't go back and look at it.

Because you know what? It's the only reason we used Teams was because we were effectively forced to buy it because we needed office. I would have happily paid less and not bought teams. There's a really interesting thing because like the Taryn linked me that news article. See Linus,

you can uncrime. That's actually pretty funny. Yeah, I mean, I guess if in good faith you stopped being unfaithful before she found out, that might earn you some brownie points. Oh, man. I think with most people, not enough. I mean, it's some. If I did that, I am still dead. oh i well yeah i won't be at work

the next day dude i won't be alive i'd be alive yvonne's made it very clear what would happen to me i'd be alive as long as i don't bleed out understood yeah makes sense and when that woman says something you believe her yeah she'd be scary sometimes um what is it like okay yeah i thought i heard i can't find anything on this right now so i don't know if it's true but i thought slack was like somehow managing to be to be having financial issues but i'm not finding anything on that. So I don't, that, that might've just been completely made up, but anyways, it is something to now reconsider is the use of teams. What?

AK Panda says you cannot bleed out from such a small wound. Anyways. Anyways. anyways anyway we uh no drake we we uh do we keep using teams there's so many problems with it internally i know and if it's being decoupled anyways i just hate the pain of switching yeah uh it's kind of bad though i know yeah it's kind of usable though one of the frustrating things yeah it's slack also has a ton of problems i've said it before i'll say it again if discord had an enterprise mode i just put us on discord 100 i'd support that but it it there's just a few things it doesn't quite it honestly really doesn't need much more which is again so interesting to me like kind of infuriating yeah like i can understand the

discord branding just not really making sense for them for a corporate product yeah but they could roll the same thing different logo yeah yeah yeah cord dis oh my god sid rock what's a sid rock Like, I don't know. What's the... I don't think you want that. I'm sure they could come up with some name. I use Discord for my company, head of IT here. That's cool. We used to use Discord for floatplane as well. There's like some issues with it though.

Yeah. I don't know. It's not... I don't think it's... You could probably get it most of the way there for what we need if you had a probably an arrangement of like different bots and things to manage different stuff um but there's like there's there's reasons you don't actually necessarily want the window that someone looks at this is less from it this is more from

like operations i guess but you don't necessarily want the window that someone needs to look at for work to also have all their personal stuff in it and then okay so are you getting them to have a different work discord account you can't moderate what other things they're joining on the work discord account um like removing adding and removing someone from the server is not as clean it's pretty easy to get off task in discord i'll tell you that much you can data retain in slack and in teams which has very important um benefits for companies right like if you have former staff that's not with you anymore and you need to like really need to have access to those records uh you can really need them like it can be

it's not the kind of thing that i would ever be comfortable snooping on for no reason yeah but if it was really needed it could be like all this changes everything kind of thing in that defense if you did snoop on it for no reason i don't think there's really a way to do that without majorly alerting the user so like which that's cool actually um but yeah if you want to like data retain direct messages that someone has from their like work discord like yeah good luck unless you are creating the discord accounts for every one of your users which then becomes like an onboarding nightmare and you have to track all this stuff and it's just like i i don't know man i i think it's cool that you use it i actually liked it for a lot of when we used it for flow plane the reason why we stopped the

reason why we stopped was uh maximum maximum message length um and code snippets and a few other things that were problematic back then i've heard that those have gotten better and easier to deal with i still don't think migrating back to it is fully an option because of some of the things that i just mentioned but i honestly i really wish that yeah discord would figure that out because the calls on discord the amount of times i've had issues with calls on slack and teams that i just know we wouldn't have had these issues on discord is insane discord calls are solid yeah i will have issues in teams or slack sometimes and certain people that i know will be around on discord i'll jump off the teams or

slack call and call that person on discord just to be sometimes i've actually done it sometimes with just employees if i have their discord um but sometimes i'll do it to friends just to be like hey is my mic working and stuff and they're like yeah i'm like okay bye just hang up right away go back to the work call to be like okay now i confirmed it's not yeah yeah anyways their video they're streaming even just camera great screen sharing great never any problems their text chat flows really super well their bot support is fantastic there's a lot of things that they have going for them that's really really good google podcasts speaking of companies that have things going for them that are good and then just i don't know uh google podcasts to bye-bye see i actually don't care i don't listen to podcasts but so but you seem more passionate about this so here let me read the thing let me read the

thing really quick google podcasts has finally shut down in the united states is this going to be your google play music because google play music is like i i will die on that hill but youtube music is a piece of garbage and if they just brought google play music back in exactly the form it was in like five years ago or whenever they discontinued it it would be better than anything else on the market well i i agree because i used google play music yeah i was a big google play music person why are you using spotify stuff like that all right so anyway google podcast has finally shut down in the united states and will soon phase out in the rest of the world as well in their announcement last year the company indicated that they would be focusing on youtube music's podcasting features instead

oh good we've heard this before apparently around 23 percent of u.s podcast listeners use youtube as their primary podcast listening platform and only 4% use Google podcasts. Google's own podcast made by Google though, isn't available on the YouTube music app. Yeah, that's a fun one. So, um, why do you care? Why does this matter? Like it's audio, right? So does it matter what you play it in? Just help me out here. Uh, my, the way that I had mine set up, I don't know if this is normal. I don't talk to anyone else that listens to podcasts about podcasts um but it would it would i was like subscribed to a couple podcasts and it would download them for me so like when i'm on wi-fi it downloads it yeah

when i go out for a run or whatever else it's downloaded i don't have to this helps you not me because you pay for my phone plan but like i i do run that feature because i actually don't have to this helps you not me because you pay for my phone plan but like i i do run that feature because i actually don't want to just burn through mobile data for no reason um i i like that it's one specific subscription feed that doesn't have the rest of my youtube junk in it that's just for podcasts so when i want podcasts i go to just this thing it shows me the podcast that i'm subscribed to and only only those there's, there's not a, like,

I don't, I don't remember. Cause I mean, the app's probably gone at this point, but I think there was, I'm fairly certain there was a menu that I went to that never had any recommendations or anything. It was just the things I was subscribed to.

I could see all the most recent things there. Easy peasy, no problem. It worked flawlessly. I saw no reason to need any other thing for using podcasts it was perfect just pulled up our podcast because i guess this is a podcast analytics and google podcast is the third highest at eight percent of yeah there you go so like cool okay a bunch of people watch joe rogan on youtube did we really need to get rid of google podcast because

of that like i don't fun fact you said the app is probably gone um is it still here it can be gone but it can never be forgotten i i keep the google play music app on my phone just just to never forget i had where's the focus i had the vessel app on my phone for years. Yeah. Do I still have Vessel on here? I don't. I think I eventually deleted Vessel. I think I did too. Yes, I deleted Vessel. I think I do have something that you haven't been able to get for years, though, that isn't Vessel.

Let's see. Is it the PT demo? No. Ha ha, everybody's sad now. Let's see there should be other platforms that work like what you want luke oh you still can't get it okay cool all kind of podcasts work the same way as i'm sure whatever but i have a google phone and i had the google app and it's yeah that makes sense i don't have to worry about there's there was no like ads or anything it was free easy simple that's probably why they got rid of it um yeah not profitable enough yeah yeah i don't know it just it just sucks like in other good google news google invents

the super skip oh uh the source here is creator insider youtube is experimenting with a potential new feature he's feeling physical pain this is great potential new feature called jump ahead which allows premium users to skip immediately to the best parts of the video they're watching this will also be available to creators on their own videos even if they aren't a premium subscriber i guess so you can see why the heck this positive feedback loop exists where the most popular part of the video is now the only part anybody is watching and it becomes even more popular and then so basically shorts wasn't enough they want to turn vods into shorts brilliant if a user has already double tapped to skip forward they'll

get a jump ahead button that takes them to a spot that youtube's algorithm thinks they might be looking for based on their previous viewing behavior google of course used the term ai multiple times to describe this feature our discussion question is could this be valuable if implemented properly or is this just encouraging us to turn our brains too mush would you get ed to script a thing that just constantly edits our videos and moves where the graphs are no because we've got our own that the ltt labs website hey yeah like we're we're gonna we're gonna save you the trouble if you don't like videos then we'll we'll have this sorted out for you in the in the near future okay

yeah speaking of which they've actually got another article up there yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah of course i did so it's another gpu just because that's what we are most we're most set up for right now but we're we're still optimizing a lot of things we've made a lot of changes based on your feedback from last time and a lot of those changes are already live so all that's up here all right so you can author and it is more readable you can share it yeah no it looks man it looks pro dude it looks pro links to where to buy purchases may provide compensation we had a lot of people sort of asking are these affiliate links yes yes they're affiliate links oh yeah

um expand you can learn about the hardware you can we've got some pictures we've got we've got work to do on our pictures we know that i still really like the luma field scans i know they look so sick so cool i would jump to these articles just to see that i think those are so cool yeah that thing as well we have a dedicated video coming on the luma field ct scanner man oh we scanned buzz lightyear from the tech shop just scan all kinds of cool stuff for that yeah it was alex in charge of that video so you know we scanned some memes um and not gonna lie like looking at the charts on here is is a great experience yep there it is you can uh if you guys didn't watch last time then uh here i think it's up here yep you can configure what colors you like for for charts if you are colorblind or have any other kind of impairment that makes it

difficult you could change the theme of the site change between imperial and metric units super cool i have feedback for my own site you can just you know see whatever charts it is you feel like looking at what what's the best card for 4k rocket league well basically anything okay uh uh uh cyberpunk hey here we go freaking awesome oh wait hold on a second what if i want to know about ray tracing performance i guess i could see that here f123 oh we only do 14 for that actually kind of makes sense uh so there's our retracing performance and productivity oh yes and a bench gpu yeah man it's gonna be great once we've got oh can i add to the comparison bin

and add this to the comparison bin oh there add this to the comparison bin. Oh, there's a faster way to do this. Does the comparison bin work? No way. Okay. So I can see the highlights. I can see the tested settings. I can see their supported features.

Ooh. Ooh. I can see their supported features. Ooh, ooh. OEM technologies. I can see what test bench they were tested on to make sure that they are comparable. Very cool. I can be linked to this product if it were to exist at some point. Oh, that's just to buy it okay well it'd be cool if that could go to the um our product page for it eventually eventually when we have it um maybe

i i kind of like the affiliate link thing there so maybe we could actually have things for both or something super cool gotta make money somehow you know we just want to make things we just want to make things easier both we can link to the review and You know, we just want to make things, we just want to make things easier. We can link to the review and the affiliate, but we just want to make things easier. Okay. And, uh,

it would be nice in the longterm to standardize our testing to the point where, uh, we can, with a high degree of confidence, show you both cards on the same graph. But as it is now, there's a lot of work to do

before we can do that with confidence. It's a dangerous step. Yeah. It's a cool step. Yeah. It's a dangerous step. Because I think there's going to be a time in the future where people are going to want,

and we are going to want to fulfill the need for this. People are going to want to compare things need for this. People are going to want to compare things that weren't tested apples to apples. So if we can figure out through similar work to what we did when we were testing our 7800X 3Ds to see which ones were close enough, if we can do the work to figure out what those error bars should look like,

we would like to be able to present that data with asterisks right because we can't uh we can't test every single gpu under every single circumstance um so it's like yeah okay these are both on the same graph but note that this one is using a generation newer driver or even uh faster ram when we had upgraded our test platform or something like that in time in time sorry i wanted to get that very exciting though man the team sports so hard all right what else we got today oh truth social i can't believe we've never talked about truth social have we not we've like mentioned it in passing it's a big social media site they went public oh yeah their valuation valuation uh eight billion eight billion dollars yep ip IPO a few weeks ago, March 26th, under the ticker code DJT.

It closed the day at almost 8 billion dollars. The site has around 5 million active monthly users. And then 7 days later, FEC filings showed that it had lost 58 million dollars in 2023 and made 4.8 million dollars in revenue. Isn't that better than what Twitter was doing? Uh, no. I thought Twitter was losing, like, a lot more than that. Right, but Twitter had revenue.

And, like, user growth. User growth. Yeah. So, users aren't growing. Got it. Yeah. Following this revelation, the stock began to crater. Yeah.

Following this revelation, the stock began to crater. Yeah. Wait, yeah, what? The ticker code is DJT? Yeah. That took me a second to like, someone in floatplane chat questioned it and I was like, hold on. There's been a bunch of behind the scenes shenanigans.

Oh, come on. Former President Donald Trump sued a the of his co-founders in an apparent attempt to consolidate shares in the company um a pair of brothers who were early investors pled guilty to insider trading related to the merger of digital world acquisition corp and truth social's parent company so that was part of the spack deal that took it public and Truth Social's parent company. So that was part of the SPAC deal that took it public. I don't know how much it's worth right now.

Let's go have a look. Oh, no, not Dow Jones Transportation. That came up for me, too. I mean, it's a more relevant stock. Why am I not just getting why am i not just getting a proper stupid thing here yeah weird not digital world acquisition oh man i just want oh well okay it's a trending it's apparently a trending ticker so here hold on i just all i have to do is click it there we go all right so uh how are we doing here so at launch is there even a month of history yet no yeah so at launch it actually went up

which is uh which is something um and then honestly not as bad as i expected yeah yeah it's only down from a high of 75 ish to uh 40 which if you put a lot of what if you put a meaningful amount of your money into it you'd probably be pretty disappointed about absolutely but we've seen worse maybe i'm just desensitized from looking at coins i'm not sure anyway the only the only thing the only really the only thing that we're really um the only reason we're really bringing this up is this is not financial advice but do not with this stock people smarter than you who have been playing the game longer than you are manipulating this both up and down you do not want to be caught holding the bag this is not a real social media platform there is no real business

model watch out 4.8 million dollars in revenue truth social is a smaller less profitable company than linus media group incorporated in fact hold on time to raise that eight billion dude hold on a second let's go hold on a second and build a heck of a lab in revenue you're gonna tell people revenue in revenue okay it is no no no no no just relax oh my people reverse engineer look at his hands he's like uh yeah yeah yeah no so in in revenue in revenue it is not even triple the size of float plane media yeah i never even did that okay and i have intentionally fudged things a little hey man i'm down with less than a just a little bit less than a third of eight billion dollars yeah let's do it just to give you guys some much needed context. If Truth Social is worth $8 billion,

Floatplane Media Inc. is at least a $2.5 billion company. So we're going out for stakes after this. It's not. not sorry you can get a higher approval limit now luke we can get new pens new pens new pens would be awesome the only pen on my desk is one someone gave to me float plane media float plane media is also more profitable than truth social that's yeah i mean the fundamentals i would hope it would be wow lukey did the bare minimum you're you're not like you know down 10x your revenue wow so watch out i mean should we take float plane public?

No. I could use a billion dollars. You know, if we're going to raise a big B, I'm down with it. Yeah. Let's go. I mean, heck yeah. I mean, pajama pants for all. No pants at work.

I mean, we've got a billion dollars in the bank. Who cares? Yeah. Yeah. People are like, shut up and take my money do it do it guys guys no you shouldn't invest in float plane no that wasn't my point my point collectively have a billion dollars yeah my point wasn't to invest in float plane my point was do not get mixed up in this truth social thing. Because whatever you bet, if you bet it's going up, it's going to go down. If you bet it's going down, it's going to go up. It is being manipulated on both sides. Be smart.

Be smart. That's all I really wanted to say. Riley was super worried when I was like, yeah, we're going to talk about Truth Social on the show. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. We're just, we are just. What we're really talking about is how Floatplane is worth a billion dollars. Yeah, this is not financial advice.

I'll put all my Linus coin in Floatplane. Heck yeah. Hey. When's the ICO voice? Man, if we were willing to grift hard, man. We could have made so much more money. Could have made so much more money. Yeah. Hey, when's the ICO boys, man, if we were willing to grift hard, man, we could have made so much more money. It made so much more money.

Yeah. Ah, sometimes I wish we were evil. There's been a few discussions where we're like, wow, we could really do this. Hey, the best time to start promoting gambling.

Oh man. Oh, you could have probably over doubled the company revenue and i'm not kidding i know yeah i know people might think that you heard you heard the valuation that was or at least the proposed evaluation that that happened a while ago that would just you would completely blow it out of the water it wouldn't even be close wouldn't even be sort of close it might be significantly more than 2x actually like there is trust me i've seen offers a disgusting amount of money offers come it's not that we don't promote gambling because we never got contacted come on don't kid yourself i know creators personally because i don't think

i've seen our offers actually but i've seen offers to other creators i know creators personally that have received offers for gambling sponsorships that are many times bigger than other unrelated to gambling offers that i've seen us receive and take because we thought they were good this creator in particular if i remember correctly was significantly less than like a tenth of our size. It's just monster money. It's crazy. I mean, you wonder like... Turns out stealing people's money is good business. Yeah.

Yeah. I shouldn't say stealing. You gave it to them. Sure. But just taking people's money is good business. So it was like planty time? No. No.

That's a lot less than 10 times smaller. Yeah, that's an inside reference. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it was incredible amounts of money. And you think, too, when it's like smaller creators. I can see why they do it. It's got hard it's life-changing it's like you've got medical bills it's make or break people yeah if if money's super tight and someone knocks on

your door and is like hey this is a really important point because i have the luxury like i have to i have to step back and appreciate that i have the luxury to say no we can make it without it yep i that was a big moment for me was when we reached the point where i could walk away from any deal and it from any company and it wouldn't matter yeah because we we walked away from some deals early on but it hurt man we've walked away from entire relationships nvidia's back though you saw that sponsored video they're back upgrading our worst setup uh jessica making not her on-screen debut because she's been on lan show before and stuff like that but this is the first time in a mainline ltd video i thought she did a great job

um we really really improved her setup so if you haven't watched it yet you're gonna want to check it out her podcasting setup was literally in a closet. Sorry. And it still is. But it's a better closet. Improved closet. New and improved. Closet two.

Now with 30% more closet. Do you move a wall? Someone in Float Plane Chat and Golden 2020 said nearly $200 million US dollars were bet north carolina's first week of legalized sports betting wow how are there even 200 billion dollars million oh oh that makes way more sense yeah even so i might have said billion i meant million that's a 200 million that's a fifth of a b yeah like that's a fifth of the valuation flow. Sometimes I do wonder, sometimes I do wonder, having the community

that we have, if we were just like, hey, realistically we're pretty up front with you guys anyway. So what? We just formalize this. We release quarterly earnings reports and blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And if you want to give us your money, I just keep all the controlling shares

kind of like Zuck did. And like, sure, by all means. And then what, like, I just, maybe I just lack creativity, but I wouldn't know what to do with it. Like, let's say our valuation wasn't $8 billion. Let's say it was $8 million. Okay, more than that. Let's say it was $8 million. Okay, more than that. Let's say it was $80 million.

What would I even do? I have a... I don't know if this is a spicy take or not. I have a take on this. It feels like a spicy take. Okay. Let's hear a spicy take. What would we do? I think you need to not. I think you'd go insane not because there's so many things you could spend your money on but because you'd need a new thing to chase and you'd have so much money that would be so hard you'd have to like make a fab or

something ridiculous like it would be but like think about it okay not that we couldn't afford that with 80 million dollars no but that's the point oh because he does this we'll like we'll like be very successful and then he'll be like okay now we're gonna do this crazy thing and i'm gonna go super negative i'm gonna risk it all we're gonna i'm gonna like leverage all the different things i'm gonna do all this other kind of stuff and we're gonna do this it's gonna be successful so this is fine so this is why i don't promote gambling because i have a problem but it's like usually the plan's really good and it's like yeah we usually works it has worked eventually every time well some are some

are tbd but yeah i'm feeling good i'm feeling good but lions will get too comfortable and then he's like i need something i gotta i gotta buy a building figure out something to put in it start a game publisher yeah like stuff we've kicked stuff we've kicked the tires on it start a system integrator man when we did that video uh upgrading my game gear and uh david's game boy advanced i was like i had we had you and i had a conversation yeah i was starting a company i was like man the problems in this space are that there's it's it's like i can have a reliable source for the part a good price or fast pick one to two yeah right often one often one and so i was like man if we could we make like a like a retro console you know modding like one-stop shop where we we basically take on the

inventory risk of you know ordering enough that these small manufacturers can afford to do a run of stupid game gear backlights or or whatever it is so so we hold the inventory um we use our brand we use our trusted brand to um give people confidence in in the product we we stand behind the product with the trust me bro guarantee uh we we continue to expand by taking our storeroom of parts and allowing people to ship in their consoles so we hire technicians to perform upgrades for people and offer it as a service like there's a whole there's a whole roadmap here boys i i actually ran the numbers i think we could get it started for probably less than 150 grand. Like, no, no, no, no, no.

I don't need another project. Part of his problem is that he surrounds himself with people like me. I'm just going to be like, yeah, cool. Let's do it. It is cool. It is. A lot of the ideas are cool. It's a great idea.

But this is a problem. If you just suddenly had $80 million. Oh, yeah. You're going to be is. A lot of the ideas are cool. It's a great idea. But this is the problem. If you just suddenly had $80 million. Oh, yeah. You're going to be like. We'd do 80 ideas. Yeah. You're not wrong. Yeah.

You're not wrong. See, that's the thing. It's like, well, a lot of people talk about that offer we got. Like, I have. Like, that's in the bank. How many figures is that? I don't remember. Nine.

Like, I have nine figures in the bank. It doesn't work like that that's uh that's theoretical that's theoretical net worth it's not it's not real and if i if i were to sell it today it's probably not worth that much that was based on the kind of exponential growth that we were experiencing at that time we've gotten things are a little bit in more of a mature state right now and we've also got some big bets that are taking time to reach fruition um but yeah we don't we don't have that kind of actual like cash reserves just sitting around it's not really how businesses work and borrowing is so expensive right now to be clear i'm not going to complain because a lot of people

are worried about the borrowing that they're doing on their bloody homes and how to figure out how to pay their mortgage payments but it's been challenging on the business side as well without just free money flowing the way that it did um so yeah we just you know we just got to pick our battles but yeah i think i think going public would be to pick our battles but yeah i think i think going public would be unnecessary we've we've talked about it a lot internally and i just don't i think i mean realistically i've told i've told terran he's got the wheel like nothing's off the table if he wants to like if he thinks that's the right path then he's you know free to make a case and and try and do it and make a go of it but i i don't i don't think you would want to anyways i could see i i've kind of wondered before about like a part of the business a particular part for some reason like maybe maybe you actually wanted

i don't know i don't know maybe for some reason not even necessarily to raise money let's say something wild like we started um remember that gaming hotel i stayed in like five years ago yeah so if we were to start like a gaming hotel business okay and it's a complete spin-off it's got like ltt branding on it it's like there's gaming systems in every room uh but other than that it has no financial tie to linus media group or float plane or the labs you could do would be wild oh it'd be so cool with gaming ips well or even like hardware ips i don't know how i don't know how gaming ips would work if everything you buy is licensed does anything restrict you from putting it in a commercial space oh i was even thinking getting them to like pay you to do it

potentially some i mean there's certainly companies that would not give us the time of day but but if not yeah what are they what are they going to do like if you have a a figure of a plumber who goes into pipes sometimes i mean the company you're talking about the figure i'm sure they'd find a way i'll do it is there is there a terms as terms of service of buying a figurine i mean if it's an amiibo i bet there is but yeah yeah i wonder about that that's something you'd have to ask but you'd have to ask the lawyers but if you created it yourself like if you drew it i think you'd be in trouble interesting nobody goes after like you know the the local tim hortons that you know draws a christmas scene on their thing and then wipes it in january or whatever uh but in terms of like if

you are offering a a plumber room at your gaming hotel and you've like custom created mario alike assets i i i yeah that's that's a commercial endeavor you are effectively selling access to mario's likeness like there's no way yeah um tim sp asks are you going to talk about all the geek squad layoffs that came out in the past couple of days does it change how you look back at your experience having them try to fix a machine for you i mean my experience was my experience i um i take back nothing of what we said uh i think i think best buy owes me a refund um they did not fix my problem they charged me 200 canadian rubles i haven't watched it yet but as an ex-member of geek squad it just makes me sad um as for as for the layoffs that's extremely sad because like so many corporate

layoffs this feels like one where it comes down to mismanagement right like whether you overhired or whether you're not bringing in business well enough it's not the fault of those frontline agents right that that customers aren't coming in it's frontline agents right that that customers aren't coming in it's part of it honestly computers just don't have as many problems these days i mean that's that's that's fair but also oh man that's a tough one because it's not like it's not like geek squad is something that um it's not like they haven't had plenty of opportunities to observe a slow decline in unreliability and and adjust their staffing levels accordingly i just i don't know if i buy that as an excuse yeah that's fair

i just scrolled down to where people are talking about um just like nintendo and amiibos you don't own the amiibo you bought a license to look at it at nintendo's convenience yeah exactly oh my goodness love it all right in other news the indie game gold rush seems to be over red hook and metacrit the developers for darkest dungeon and slay the spire respectively say that funding has dried up for indie games i think it's mega crit oh sorry yeah that makes way more sense uh notably sources like exclusive deals for the epic game store and xbox game pass which have both slowed significantly they say that most other devs they've talked to have reported a similar experience of finding typical funding streams significantly cut back

or canceled both studios say they're lucky to be in the position to self-fund, but they'll be putting on a triple-I showcase of upcoming indie titles on April 10th to give other indie developers more visibility. That's a really cool thing to do. That is very cool. And we'd love to see what comes out of that. That's five days from now. Our discussion question is, is this the end of the indie boom or just a gully?

And I don't think anything's going to stop the indie boom. If anything, I think we're going to see another boom from all the talented people that are getting let go from the major development houses right now. They're going to need to do something and their experience is game development. So you put two and two together and i talk about that in the flow plane exclusive where i said i was going to talk about starfield

and ended up talking about the game industry i talked about that exact same thing very nice yeah uh mega crit they they make slay the spire i'm a massive ridiculous slay the spire nerd um you know when the the whole unity thing went down yeah and he got weird with their license which one yeah i think it was i think it was one of the more recent ones but that is kind of funny um mega crit responded by looking into godot essentially and they made a free game called dancing duelists and it's actually like amazing new game from mega crit this was about six months ago which lines up pretty well i think with the last time that unity went a little crazy um it's a it's a deck building game similar to how so the spire is a deck building game but it plays

completely differently and it's very fun free little game you can like essentially fully beat it um in like probably i don't know a day or two or something but i i would check it out mega crit super cool yeah uh what else do we have for topics today outlook's been doing some sketchy stuff uh email service proton is accusing microsoft's new outlook app of being a massive net for user data collection according to users in europe who downloaded the app a pop-up user agreement discloses that microsoft shares users information with 801 third-party partners the app also prompts users to pick their own ads layout for where advertisements will appear in the app mac users will have some ads that appear as inbox messages both from microsoft and from other parties uk

users can access a list of advertising partners in the outlook settings menu which shows a large number of ad companies these settings are unavailable in the us and switzerland where proton is based while uk users have some ability to refuse to share with certain advertisers this appears to be purposefully confusing with some advertisers requiring affirmative consent while others require an opt-out. According to German IT experts at Heiss Online, this new Outlook also takes IMAP and SMTP credentials your username and password

from other accounts synced with the Outlook app, which would also give the company access to emails from those other accounts, even if you cancel because they've already stored that information. Germany's Federal Commissioner for Data Protection and Freedom of Information Ulrich Kelber has expressed concern about the app's data farming capabilities and announced that he intends to discuss the issue with relevant regulators in the coming week. Common EU win. I suspect the same stuff is not happening to enterprise Outlook accounts. I mean, who knows? But you know what is happening?

Somebody tried to corrupt Linux from the inside. Yeah, there's been some unfortunate things going on. A single off-hours Microsoft engineer has apparently foiled a long-con attempt to embed a serious security backdoor into a widely distributed linux utility developer andres frund was spending his long weekend doing some micro benchmarking when he noticed that encrypted logins to excuse me um Excuse me. Okay. Lib LZMA. Sorry, not sure how to pronounce that. We're using a surprising amount of CPU.

He tracked the issue to a backdoor in the upstream XZutils repository, which appears to inject malicious code during SSH authorization in order to enable unauthorized remote access. The backdoor appears to have been added in February and never managed to make its way into the production release of a major distro. It was uncovered in beta versions of Fedora Rawhide and Debian, which have been rolled back accordingly. Freund tracked the changes to a user who goes by GiaTan or GiaT75, who has been a regular contributor since October of 2021.

However, there is no evidence that this person even exists outside of their presence as a Project XZ contributor, leading some security researchers to speculate that they might be a single-purpose identity created by a state-sponsored attacker. Gia T75 is believed to have gradually amassed increasingly invasive permissions in part by making genuine code contributions but also possibly through a sock puppet campaign

to pressure the original dev to speed up development by opening those permissions to absolutely insidious um which makes you wonder how much of this did make it through at some point yeah i mean this type of stuff has happened before um like the login credentials for contributors to open source projects that are widely used are like are very valuable to maintainer accounts and whatnot. It doesn't happen very often, I think. I just said it's happened before. I didn't say it happened often. Because I think that community is pretty on the nose about this type of stuff. It's relatively commonly said that open source stuff is generally more

secure because more people are looking at it it doesn't mean it's immune to security problems it just means it can potentially be more secure um it does it definitely doesn't mean it is more secure you can have projects that are abandoned you can have not eyeballs on it doesn't automatically mean a lot of people are looking at it and assessing it um but yeah it sucks it just another reminder that absolutely nothing is fully secure at any point in time and that's it yeah it's frustrating to see this kind of thing degrade trust in open source overall i um i would say overall you're probably still better off there yeah it's but like i just said everything has problems everything has problems you shouldn't have been blindly trusting open source um you also shouldn't

blindly trust some closed source application from somebody else um so it is what it is you also shouldn't blindly trust twitter it turns out there's still a bunch of hypocrites when it comes to privacy i know right way the intercept has acquired emails between the secret service and surveillance firm data miner that show that elon musk's x has continued secretly selling massive amounts of user data for the explicit purpose of government surveillance this goes against x twitter's own policy, which forbids conducting or providing surveillance or gathering intelligence. So it's only okay when we do it for money. While Twitter is not directly selling this information to the government, it is knowingly leasing the information to an intermediary broker,

which is immediately turning it over to the government for law enforcement and surveillance purposes. it over to the government for law enforcement and surveillance purposes. For the last decade, Twitter has also been pursuing a lawsuit demanding that they be allowed to publicly disclose more information about national security letters that the government uses to compel social media companies to turn over user data. Musk continued the suit after taking over the site and called the Supreme Court's January decision to strike the case down disappointing. taking over the site and called the supreme court's january decision to strike the case down disappointing uh discussion question here is twitter's hypocrisy obviously predates musk's tenure but how has an overt free speech advocate managed to wind up with such a similar stance on

cooperating with government surveillance as the people he sought to usurp i actually have a feeling that it has less to do with financial incentives and more has to do with like you must do this uh i mean you don't have to take money for it i have a feeling there isn't really another option it's like here take the money or we'll just destroy you anyways um i don't know not sure i mean i would be interested to see if there's a similar arrangement with meta i'd be similar i'd be curious to see if there's a similar arrangement with you know a discord we know this just happened with youtube yeah but that's not really the same arrangement yeah yeah they weren't selling to data brokers for it to be used for government surveillance i really don't think that's the same thing yeah yeah oh yeah all i'm really trying to say is if right now at least if

the government wants your stuff for the most part they're going to get it this is why companies that like really really really talk about privacy yeah don't have anything they don't have any information so that when the government comes knocking they literally can't give it to them it's not a function which to be clear is not something that you can necessarily trust either no i mean a lot of vpn providers say oh yeah no logs no but you are just it's full trust me bro you can't prove they don't have anything unless it's actually been tested in court before and even then even then just because it's been tested once doesn't mean that something didn't change something can change on a whim doesn't mean that there isn't like a malicious actor in there somehow who is logging personally yep yeah like it's it's yeah i don't know it's a thing

i think the main thing that i'm trying to say is that I don't trust that it would completely stop, even if there wasn't financial incentive. I don't trust that it would completely stop, but... It might be different. It might be smaller in scope. It's not in the doc, but apparently it's basically like an all-you-can-eat API access, is my understanding of it. It's bad. It's really bad. I had never heard of this. I don't know the scope of it or how much money is being used yeah i mean it's one of those

things where if the hypocrisy wasn't already obvious when um uh when he sued that uh that watchdog group that like anti-hate speech watchdog group for saying stuff he didn't like really yeah it's like free speech is not just speech you agree with it's free oh wait was this the anti-defamation league stuff uh no i don't think it was them i think it was someone else i don't know basically It's like free speech is not just speech you agree with. It's free speech. Oh, wait, was this the Anti-Defamation League stuff? No, I don't think it was them. I think it was someone else. I don't know. I actually try not to follow it.

Yeah, there's a not-for-profit that reported on an increase in hate speech. And that may be true. That may be not true. He might agree. He might not agree. But what they said was free speech. It was free speech. And so you can't just be like, no, I don't like was free speech. It was free speech. And so you can't just be like,

no, I don't like that free speech and try to sue them to not say it. I will say it. You can't be a free speech absolutist if you are going to... Selectively. Yeah, that's not how it works. Yeah, I always hated Twitter.

I will absolutely admit it is more useless now than like ever. It is still up. A ton of people were saying it was going to go down and I was like, I don't think so. And I got a lot of hate for that and it's still up. So it is still up. Screw you guys. Yeah.

But, um, it is definitely more useless. The amount of like, I think there's more spam now. I have no scientific reason to think this there is but it sure as heck feels like it so much spam oh my god i can't even it's like overran man when i when i click a trending topic it's hard for me to even find out why it's trending

sometimes okay i felt that before the buyout i never had that problem interesting usually the first 20 or so were relevant enough and had enough likes that i could i could tell you know is it are they dead is it pedophilia you know like like what is it why why are they trending you know yeah now i will click on something and i'm actually not sure for and sometimes I will even go as far as just giving up and Googling name controversy to find out what the heck is going on. It's, it's pretty, I definitely use it less than I ever have.

Yeah. Yeah. And I, and I, and I don't, that's true for me as well. And I don't even really think I'm using it less because like musk bought it i'm just using it less because like well you've made your position very clear you've always considered it a dumpster

fire i still need to use it for dms yeah so i'm still on it a little bit but i think my i think my app limit right now is like three minutes or five minutes or something like it's really short but realistically you're objectively wrong because even a trash tier crappier clone of it is worth eight billion dollars so you've clearly missed something here oh man yeah that's okay the purchase price for twitter that's all right was a bargain based on the value of truth social that's a that's a that's a really interesting take actually what do you pay 44 million it was it was 40 something he should write the art of the deal yeah yeah um incredible deal absolutely incredible yeah The best deal Hey A co-authored book Between Musk and Trump On making deals

There's no way they'd be able to agree on whose name goes first On the cover Please Oh man It's one of those reflective ones Where you have to look at it the right way to have the name show up But then they find out Who gets to be the one on the right

He stole my joke and that's why my name would go first oh man that was pretty funny oh terrible i i love that joke i don't know if it landed with the audience but i thought it was hilarious i think you did great thanks it was pretty funny uh we have a good pivot i can't find the topic though. The Google SEO thing. Oh, wow. This is a huge topic. How did it take us this long to get to it?

House Fresh. By the way, I've never heard of this website before. Me neither. Potentially because Google's squashing it. This is a very well-written article. And this, I know I read some other stuff on the site. It seems great. Cool. I like actually like want to use this site yep so hopefully you guys find it interesting too yeah this write-up is fantastic it's really long we're not gonna be able to cover

it all you should go to the website housefresh.com this particular one is david versus digital goliaths yeah yep incredibly well written but we'll give you the kind of the the summary that is going to tell you enough to make you want to go read the article and find out how you are being misled this is something that i have been aware of for a long time it's something that i am aware is getting worse it's was the major major motivator that made me ultimately say okay we need to build a testing lab so clearly it's something that i believe in very strongly but hearing someone else express it way better than i could dive really far into the intricacies of like how and and patterns and all this other type of stuff. How product testing is dying.

Yeah. And why. And like being stomped on its head while it's being buried at the same time. So House Fresh, a product review site that focuses on air purifiers, has published an incredible analysis on how a small set of large media publishers are gaming Google search by flooding the web with lazy listicles that recommend products that they have never even touched it's it's lazy listicles is fun alliteration i would go as far as to say it's basically fraud according to house fresh these articles are all extremely similar to one another at least in part because they are all entirely based on amazon listing information and marketing materials put out by the manufacturers.

These articles are branded under well-known, seemingly reputable names like BuzzFeed, Forbes, Popular Science, and Rolling Stone, but they are sharply lower in quality and effort than most of their other articles. To the point where it can be kind of jarring, actually. And they talk through how this happened with large um one second yeah with large media publishers acquiring the rights to these names and then leaving only skeleton crews in place to continue publishing a little bit of good stuff to keep the reputation going while just lazily dumping garbage affiliate revenue maximizing crap down people's throats. While House Fresh says that Google's product review updates

generally improve the ranking of articles that actually provide independent information and thorough research, consumers looking to make an educated purchase are still having to wade through countless reviews from people who have never even seen the thing in person. And this is absolutely something that I've experienced, but something that I didn't dig deep enough to understand just how broken it is. Like, there's this one air purifier that they kind of go into in the article because they tested it, and it fundamentally doesn't work and is loud and is expensive. And they're just like, they're sitting there going, there is no way on this green earth that anybody who knows anything tested this and recommended it.

And yet it tops all of these recommendation lists and they basically dug into it and they're like, oh, it's because it pays the most affiliate commission and we've talked about this before um remember i figured out why eighty thousand dollar area rugs exist and it turns out it's because interior designers get paid a percentage of the total bill well the higher the price the better the listicle commission because it's percentage based. So you're basically being misled to buy a more expensive thing. And it's disguised as editorial content.

I mean, it's one thing if it is an ad. An ad's an ad. A properly disclosed ad. Like when Miss Vicky's paid me to tell you about their zero trans fat, low in saturated fat, no preservatives, kettle chips. That's what the style of chips is called, right? I don't know. It doesn't, yeah, kettle cooked potato chip. Okay, they didn't sponsor us.

But the point is, when something is clearly disclosed, it's an ad. It's clear that these talking points are coming from the manufacturer. But these listicles are not, they're not disclosed. It's not clear what the relationship is and it seems like editorial content and some of the people publishing these if they're people at all or writing these rather some of the people writing these assuming they are people are publishing so many of these that there is just there is no feasible way that they have ever even laid hands on these products and i've seen it. I bought windshield wipers for my Taycan from one of these listicles that ended up not being compatible because they never actually tried it.

Yeah. I made it compatible. Dan's into it. Dan's very into that. So much respect. So let's go. But they weren't. But actually though um so yeah you you need to go read it dan can we get this linked in the description as well this is really really

really important this is why we're building the lab because it is so hard to find good information anymore and they lay out a really convincing and scary case for why it's going to get so much harder i genuinely don't think there's been very many articles maybe even single digit that are like more beneficial to go read instead of just listen to what we've said there is so much information in this it It's dense. It's crazy. Dense with two S's. It's really long and it's very dense. Each individual paragraph is interesting. Actually go read it.

And it actually really matters because... You need to send this to anyone you know who shops online, basically. Or looks for basically any information. Because it shows you just how easily gamed the system is and house fresh doesn't even blame google outright for this yeah it's clear that this is a case where google is in good faith trying to do the right thing and surface accurate information about that which is interesting but there's just the avalanche of bullshit is just it's burying any nuggets of good information because and we know this.

We know this from building the lab. Testing products properly is really freaking hard. It's a ton of work. I mean, oh, man, we showed off the latest draft of power supply circuit internally. uh we showed off the latest draft of power supply circuit internally and even internally there's a lot of commentary on for example the uh the ai voiceover that we're using and the kind of um monotonous sort of scripted shots and they're like i don't understand the value of this and it's like whoa whoa whoa whoa this is completely different from anything we've done in the past encyclopedia the value is not in the entertainment for this at all.

It's just that we understand that consumers are going to look for information in video form, even though this really would be better off as an article and an article will be available, but we understand people are going to be looking for this information in video. And if we look at what other similar power supply focused videos are doing in terms of viewership on YouTube, our production budget, our total budget for each of these videos would be somewhere between $2 and $60. So we're between a rock and a hard place. Obviously, we would love to use humans to do all of the work and humans are doing a lot of the work humans developed all these processes humans are testing the power supplies that's that's that's

the meat right there that's being done by skilled humans right we would love to use humans for everything and have a human host and uh have bespoke editing for every single episode but if i were to tell you, okay, well, your production budget is $9 and I were to pay humans in such a way that we were able to survive on $9 of revenue. I'd be a monster. I'd be a stop. I'd be a monster.

And then if I say, okay, well, this is net new work that nobody was doing before and actually creates additional jobs building these systems and doing all this testing um but this is the way to make it sustainable you tell me i'm a monster because we're using an ai voiceover and it's like okay well now hold on a second this is in my opinion a best case scenario for machine learning it just doesn't exist we're not going to do it without it

can't exist yeah that's the thing it's not that it doesn't it's that it cannot it's not economically viable for us to do this the traditional way that we've done things and i think there is a pretty good point brought up in full point yeah you have an unlimited budget because it's a tax write-off thank you for that um there are legitimate concerns like that people have brought up okay well if we're doing it in power supply circuit then could that infect the other channels um that is i mean that is the last thing i want yeah i don't it's not like good you don't want to listen to that ai voice no not at all i mean if we can get to the point where power supply circuit is averaging 100 000 views and we're taking on that's we're taking on sponsors and hey have faith yeah sure and we're taking on sponsors

and we're doing like huge affiliate revenue through it because people really value the independent testing then yeah let's let's build a proper channel around it but we have to start somewhere and right now the meat of it is the testing and we just need a vehicle yeah my only real notable take from it was that i don't think it should be you personally. Yeah, I've seen people feel strongly about it both ways. It's about 50-50. Interesting. The feedback that I have received directly, the non-anonymous feedback that I have received,

which I will now keep anonymous, but was all in alignment with that. It was a very small portion of the company as a whole so it's not representative it's both ways uh it as it turns out and i think that i can't tell because the feedback form itself was anonymous yeah um so i can't tell it's like good and bad you can't continue the conversation seems like based on the perspectives like i don't know which individuals responded but it seems like based on the perspectives like i don't know which individuals responded but it seems like based on the perspectives that the lines kind of fall between departments

um so some departments feel more strongly that like having it be linus will make it feel less like someone who's juror got taken by ai and more like Linus didn't have time that day. Okay. And then on the other side, it's look, if we're going to be uncanny Valley, can we at least just be uncanny Valley with someone that is not a real person? And it seems like there's a clean line right down the middle.

That's really interesting. Yeah, I know. Uh, Zen all says I'm confused. LTT isn't using real voices. So again, you you know our budget our production budget for some of these videos because we don't know what the budget is until we publish

it and see how much money comes in right our budget for these videos based on what dedicated power supply videos are doing right now on youtube could be as low as two to three dollars no no there's there it's not even yeah it doesn't make any sense no and we need we need to get this even really it's not a business move it's like remolta says you could not do a video and promote heavily the written article yeah that worked great for written media over the last 10 years also some people just will not read it yeah even if we're completely ignoring the business case because these videos are going to make no money but even if we completely ignore the business case there are people that will not read an article but they will watch a video that is absolutely a thing yep there's also people that are just never going to leave youtube

there's been this consolidation issue this the the house fresh article kind of talks about this and there's been other people talking about this recently as well where like the internet is turning into a very small the whole surf the internet and check out all these different websites thing is like dead already it's become a very very small pool of websites and it's even smaller than you think. Yeah. Because a lot of the websites that you think are separate are actually owned by large publishers. Yeah.

So, like, it can be very hard when that's what you've grown up in or that's the practice that you've gotten used to. It can be very hard to get people off of that small group of websites. Um, so they're just going to want to stay on YouTube or whatever else. Uh, P F Y C H. I don't know. Fight on,

on full plane chat said my, my younger siblings search for products slash restaurants on tick tock. So we've already, so coming back to the plan to uh to have these videos ai voiceovered ai edited because the shots are all standardized because a power supply that's why we started with power supplies because they're all fundamentally the same size and shape yeah with fundamentally the same physical features yeah So all the shots are going to be along sort of pre-planned movements.

And then it is basically cut together with a template and then validated by a human editor. That's it. And so we're already looking at, okay, can we do a shortened version of the script and then just dump it on TikTok, dump it on Reels, dump it on Facebook? Because, I mean, at the very least, we want to be able to get real, valid information in front of people.

And I think that there's going to be some compromises that we're going to make along the way, but the mission is a good one. And you know what? We might find out that this just is completely ineffective. And we've got to make along the way but the mission is a good one and you know what we might find out that this just is completely ineffective and we've got to take a different approach and we're going to be open to that but we have to start somewhere in again the non-anonymous feedback that i received that i will now forward as anonymous feedback um the people that i talked to would watch it actually but they're not going to watch everything i i suspect the accounts are going to be really low yeah no they shouldn't watch everything that's the whole point of this i saw i saw one internal comment yeah i'm sorry to be clear i'm

not saying this to you as if this is a revelation to you i'm more talking publicly i saw one internal comment that was like this feels like a content farm. Yes. Yeah. It's supposed to be every power supply. Ever. Yeah. And I don't want humans working at the content farm.

Yeah. I want humans doing the creative stuff, the cool stuff, but we need to have a result when someone searches for this power supply on tiktok and that's a power supply that blows up or costs twice as much as one that's better we we have to address that and on a two to sixty dollar budget we aren't going to be doing it with handcrafted human content it's not going to happen right now and it's not intended to be like like popcorn viewing yeah it's not supposed to be entertaining this is objective this is for the bottom of the funnel where you have you are aware

of computers and you have an intent to learn about computers and you've decided to buy one and you are choosing a particular component and you want to learn about computers and you've decided to buy one and you are choosing a particular component and you want to learn about it or it's been recommended to you like say you go to pc part picker and you pick one of the recommended builds and you're like i've never heard of this power supply before you look at one of the videos you're like oh yeah okay it's cool now you have the confidence when buying the thing that's good kind of like what i think it was uh casey neistat said about the vision pro that this is the worst vision pro so the first video we upload will be the worst video you know

in terms of the uncanny valley of the ai voiceover in terms of the choreography of the shots um it's gonna it's gonna take time yeah it's to take time. Yeah. It's going to take time. Black Smoke Rises says, it sounds kind of lame, but I see the plan. Yes. It's not supposed to be super exciting content. It's not.

It's supposed to be what we could make for under $60. And remember, it's not even under $60. By the time Lucas tests a power supply we are underwater on a 60 budget very significantly so it is are you are you effectively a negative budget don't even worry about the the human time are you counting the the like time on that machine oh no exactly just do the time on the machine i forget how much that thing even costs but yeah and then you have to get updates to it

oh no i'm not factoring hey don't forget about the square footage that that whole setup with the environmental chamber don't forget about the environmental chamber literally just the space it doesn't just run off of the chroma heating it cooling it in space yeah yeah floor space oh my god don't forget we're gonna have to buy a lot of these power supplies if you owned a parking lot how much more profitable so much like your roi on roi on one parking stall yeah 20 years like that's the thing guys you gotta try to try to look at what we're doing and see the bigger picture here. This is not-

Like, isn't a business move. No, this is not a profit-taking endeavor. If we can turn it into something profitable, we will. If we can take this data and we can find nuggets that turn into LTT videos that we can get sponsors. Of course, we're gonna do that. It's gonna feed into the businesses that make money. That would happen if we made the videos or not guys the intent here is we understand this is going to take time but we are trying to build something we are going to make

some mistakes it's going to take some time we're going to have to learn some things but that's that's part of the journey right like if we i mean i can't help myself you gotta dream big you know you gotta dream big i i heard there was uh i tried to invite you to i think you accepted it whatever doesn't matter but i i went to invite you to a meeting next week to talk about like the launch of the labs website um and i genuinely don't remember who but someone told me that like in you had talked about it with them at some point in time and you were all excited about like what we can do next and i was like yeah they're like what do you mean i was like this is just this is just how it works

that's good you know but like i would be more stunned if you were like this is the end i have no more ideas i'd be like oh no oh yeah what happened oh dude my idea doc is is uh extensive yeah it's bulging all right uh merch messages next topic yeah we have a lot of next topics do we have super checks after party today i'm never gonna get to go home am i uh we can we can set it up i mean home's overrated uh uh if you want we can uh we can get that going do you want me to do that i don't know it's up to the float plane people i'll tell you what you can uh you can see if they care that much this week I probably shouldn't do many

oh okay because I have to shift relieve oh yeah okay no maybe no checks after party I could do like maybe three yeah but that's a lot to like drag the whole thing up there no sorry sorry

I apologize I have sick birds at home Luke's got bird babies to take care of. Yeah. All right, Dan, hit us. Sure, let's see. To be clear, you're still not off the hook on playing. Yeah, I had already planned to tell you, like, I gotta stop at three. Yeah, yeah.

So I don't know, probably shouldn't do the whole setup. It's all good. Yeah. Greetings, LDL. I have troubles for getting my point across whenever there's a collaborative discussion between me and 10 other people in the group any advice for a timidly shy

person like me this is a tough one you're asking the wrong two people I don't know about Dan so much but I'm actually pretty timid maybe Dan could field this one i was hoping that you guys could tell me uh i don't know you just yell over them okay i have an idea

you turn them off yeah you just turn off their camera and then they're gone yeah exactly they don't exist anymore just leave just leave he doesn't he's still talking somehow how's this working i don't get it i turned him off he's still there's a ghost in the machine he's still talking somehow. How's this working? I don't get it. I turned him off. He's still... There's a ghost in the machine. He's still talking. Something that I've seen people do that I think has actually worked pretty effectively and also helps if you have, you know, an issue with public speaking

is to present your idea in some form that is like textual or through a photograph or a chart or whatever and then paste it into the chat that everyone's using yeah i was gonna say take notes and if you need some time to process and collect your thoughts you can always send it as a follow-up hey during the meeting uh these are some thoughts that i had uh or these are some thoughts i had after the meeting if it makes you uncomfortable to to to to talk about how you know you you need time to process because not everyone wants to just say that,

yeah, I'm a thorough thinker, but I'm a bit of a slower thinker. No one wants to say that out loud. So you just, yeah, you can take some of that pressure off by not necessarily trying to address it right in the middle of the meeting. I understand that that's not always perfect because sometimes things will hit an inflection point decisions are made and you can

either you know steer it in the right direction or allow it to veer off course and it can be tough i find if you can get something that draws everyone's direct attention that they have to like you know read or look at for a second to fully absorb you can actually get everyone thinking about that thing for a second and then hopefully you can talk through it or just by looking at whatever thing you delivered whether it's a chart or a graph or a thing of writing or whatever hopefully they can get a point from it and then go from there um it's not a perfect solution but i've seen it used and i think it works pretty well hello guys do you think the ps portal was a success i've been trying sorry i've been trying to get one but they seem to be sold out everywhere live in a studio with one tv and wife can't sleep with light i don't think it's a matter of whether we think the PS Portal was a success. The PS Portal was clearly a success.

It just wasn't for you. If you're someone who doesn't understand why people want the PS Portal. Antulio, clearly, is one of the people who does think the PS Portal is a good idea. Antulio, the good news is there's lots of other options. With an app, you can pretty much replicate the experience of the ps portal whether it's on a tablet or on a phone but you know it won't have a dual sense style controller oh with smaller joysticks mind you um so you know that might work for you that might not work for you uh yeah there's no there's no question ps portal absolutely a success did you see that thing where it was it had been um it had been hacked to run like emulated games and then uh sony got tipped

off by um by someone and they were able to patch it no that doesn't happen very often yeah yeah anyway huh yeah they disclosed to sony how they had worked had worked around and gotten it to do that. Luke, if you had to buy another car, what would it be? Also, thanks for... Oh, just the first part. Okay. I have no idea. I think I would know what I would do if it was a new car,

but I think the chance of me buying a new car is very low. Okay yeah but tell us i think a prius prime they've been doing really good yeah the new one makes a lot more sense than the old one i really like the whole plug-in hybrid thing um they actually like look pretty cool which is weird for priuses but they do look pretty cool um and they they have good stats on them for the whole plug-in hybrid thing. But yeah, I'm not super into the new car thing. So then I have no idea because I don't know what the used market looks like right now. People are upset because it's a Prius.

Yeah, the new ones are pretty cool. Hey, I'm the guy who bought half a dozen of the old black hats and got a couple of the pro hats and recently uh got a couple of the pro hats recently and love the lack of button on top and clasp what other small changes in products did we miss oh so much uh i i wish we just filmed our product development meetings, because there's so many good creative juices flowing in them. And there's so many little details that even we forget, by the time the long road is over, and we actually released the product,

we put up the product page, and we're like, how the heck did we not mention this? I don't know, am I going to be able to am i going to be able to come up with something uh oh man we obsessed over the location of the ltt branding on the cable management arches it was actually i think me who ultimately made the call after we saw the prototypes um because we did prototype it with an ltt logo here and i think it was me who made the final call to say no uh no visible branding because the reason that this thing exists is for people to obsess over their cables and as much as we'd love to have our brand all over your stuff because you know brands like that kind of thing uh it's not the right thing for this product so actually i don't think on the product page you can actually see the LTT branding at all. Oh, you know, there it is.

So I don't know. That's not really a detail you wouldn't have noticed. I'm sure you noticed where the branding was on it. But that's the background for why that happened that you probably didn't realize. How long these conversations can be sometimes. Amazing. Good day. Actually,

I wasn't sure if you guys talked, touched about this with the AI thing. Sorry. Oh, ow. What? Oh, oh, oh, wow. Ow. What? Oh. Oh!

Oh. Wow. Did someone point that out, or did you just think of it? Someone on full plain time. Oh, nice. Completely missed the transition. All right. Landshow after dark.

Let's go. There we go. That's better. Can't remember if we touched on this when you were talking about AI. With AI, how do you think about disclosure of use of AI in your content? Should there be a consistent policy? Should we even care as viewers? I think you should care, but you should care if it affects the quality which it almost certainly will unless humans are

hand curating it and hand reviewing it in which case is it really ai or is it more like disclosing that you used a word processor then no you shouldn't care so yes but also no but yes but maybe no uh we don't we don't have a policy right now it's a really good point um because i think everything that we've used it for that's public facing has been very clearly machine learning like the uh i showed you guys a preview of what power supply circuit's gonna look like it's machine learning up the butt um definitely not attempting to hide it in any way yeah i mean oh i mean okay hold on no we uh we did we did um actually use an lom prompt to get some starting points for the Smash Champs logo, I think. Or we, at some point, we got some drafts and then we did a prompt and then we got some ideas and we came to the final one.

So it was very human done, but AI was used as a tool. I mean, I've done ai idea generation stuff for tons of things like how would we even disclose that like we launch a new feature on floatplane it's like do we disclose that ai was used as a troubleshooting tool for some codes that like software developers have been all over this for for years i don't really know man i i use it for sometimes i'll not even i wouldn't even necessarily say writer's block but sometimes I find starting an email to take me too long

and it's like frustrating I'm like I have to respond to like a hundred emails today so like I just I need something to get me going or like this is a long message I have a lot of information to convey I need to get them to actually read the thing in the first bit and i'll yeah i'll

use chat gpt or whatever to help me start the writing but i never really send actually chat gpt written things so what does that mean i don't know i dinus duke lan and lavid how much of dinus's little ones remember the langley house i doubt by Dynas, Duke, Lan, and Laved. How much of Dynas' little ones remember the Langley house? I doubt they remember it at all. I would suspect, yeah, not at all. Sorry, I've got to find another one of these. Sorry, go for it, Luke.

I was going to say, didn't most of them not exist? I'm trying to think of the timeline. I think only one of them didn't exist at all During that time, yeah Hi, LLD, good morning from Taiwan Compute Tax is coming up Any Taiwanese food or places You're definitely going to have to go Gotta get me some soup dumplings

That would sound nice So good, getwanese style fried chicken that place we were going to get soup last year was awesome weren't there like three different nights or something oh yeah i don't even remember damn i'm sure we could find it it's gonna be in my google uh timeline yeah i have like super creepy location tracking on and the the only real reason that i do is because i just like curiously going back and seeing where i've gone like my my google maps location history is hilarious because like there was a few years there where i was oh boy was i ever traveling a lot uh check check this out give it a sec uh hold on here hold on cities

oh boy oh boy red dots everywhere yeah everywhere as long as it's in the northern hemisphere i realized i have never been to the Southern hemisphere. Yeah. Yeah. Typical Northeast. They never think about the South. Where did that accent come from? I don't know.

Nowhere in particular. Okay. Hey Luke, what's your, Oh no. Oh God. I'm sorry. I'm almost ready.

Uh, crap. There's two places that I really want to go this year sun moon lake and another one that i'm struggling to remember the name of uh ju fen i'm surprised you're not going to like the eclipse or whatever that seems like totally up your alley i wanted to actually yeah i know i couldn't go right now all right yeah bummer that's okay i've gone to eclipses in the past it is what it is there's a couple people on the labs team going i was like take me nice pictures and dan siegel i have already seen very nice pictures taken by him so i trust all right he'll get it done i believe sorry what did you say hey Luke what's your rarest

Pokemon Go finds in your connection uh collection uh I don't know I assume it's Pokemon Go yeah yeah Pogo is Pokemon Go yeah yeah um probably shiny Pachirisu

but I don't really care linus and luke if you were to wake up in a freaky friday situation what would be your first actions as each other okay moving on it's not that after dark you'd have to check check to make sure that the birds are okay that's what he's talking about yeah the birds are very important yeah yeah um yeah um yeah yeah yeah unplug all of the unify cameras i would i would jump off of something

not not too high but relatively high to get some gravity in me and see what the impact is like weighing that much you mean that little that little yeah but it's gonna be a way bigger fall i've i've weighed twice as much as linus for like you know what quite but i'd go somewhere where there's lots of short people i was over in japan and like i realized that that whole experience that people talk about where it's like just like being taller than everyone else well i've never had that you know what i would have the being taller than everyone else experience okay yeah that's what i would do i mean that would require some planning would that be the very first thing i would do probably not i don't i feel like a lot of what i would do wouldn't be that different like i don't really see how being luke would actually change my lifestyle a ton we do a lot of maybe not the

same thing but very related yeah well i says badminton i work out yeah man i would hate dragging your gigantic ass around on the court this is why i was saying yeah the first thing i would do is jump basically i would suck because i'll just be like wow yeah you'd be older though yeah it's not that much older yep would your wife consider we will not be discussing that would you sit the most wrong no no i don't even think i could do the show seeing colors differently and like yeah tasting things differently and stuff would would definitely be a lot more jarring yeah um yeah i don't know i don't know i definitely do something really embarrassing as him because being a public figure i kind of like i have to be on my best behavior all the time

and yeah he's a public figure too but i don't give a because it's him so i do something like really weird like streak in the park or something you know nice yeah have we gone streaking no nice i'm i'm far too conservative and shy yep i uh actually it's it's funny like i play a very outgoing character on tv but i am like not on tv yeah yeah when i'm i'm actually pretty withdrawn when i'm not on tv yeah um like being outgoing and uh like doing an underwear shoot for me very uncomfortable and challenging especially the first time like i have to push myself for a lot of what i do here here's a question if you had if there was the option yeah for like 24 hours would you do it yes or no i would immediately no question i feel like i would for like pretty much anyone though yeah i just think it'd be such a such an interesting experience it'd be a freaky

friday that's for sure yeah even even even just the like vision though i mean be really interesting yeah your downgraded ass vision probably wouldn't oh yeah you'd get wrecked great for me but even just like the color shift of it i'm still over 2020 baby i just got my eyes checked nice yeah definitely not there's a matter it's a matter of time for me though. It's, it's, it's not like as good as it was. I think that's pretty normal. Yeah. Seeing things differently, hearing things differently, tasting things differently, experiencing things differently in general. I think it would be so interesting. You know, what's funny is we've talked about this before, but it's been in the context of substance use. And what I have said before, because I've, I've not with you at this particular, from this particular perspective, but I've had the argument

made to me that it can be good for broadening your perspectives and, uh, and helping you experience things in a, in a new way. And sort sort of what i've what i've said is that i tend to be um quite controlling of my experiences and i tend to i tend to be um i tend to like to be in control of myself yeah and this would be me literally not being in control of myself at all honestly i have it's a big ass i have considered the ramifications of what the other person would do practically not at all so yeah that might change my mind a little bit i'm just like i'm thinking like to be clear if it was my own shift if it was you if it was if it was you and this was a consensual body switch that's probably why i wasn't really

thinking about it it's because i'm not too worried then that's one thing right but if you were just like partners right yeah yeah leave it alone yeah exactly but i i feel like most of the like ground rule thing like yes we should lay them out but that's also not really the point of freaky friday necessarily that's true it's part of the point is you are i think that's another reason why i'm okay with it though is because i don't think we would have to actually have to establish those yeah like i wouldn't be worried about getting my body back with diseases you know like it not, it's not like that. Um, but I, I, I would literally not be in control of myself, which is something that I am deeply unsettled by.

So it's not an obvious yes to me. It's something I'd have to, I'd have to fester on for a little bit. I wouldn't be too worried about it. You bruise me up a little bit. It's fine. Cause there's, there's gotta be to be if if it were to happen the first few minutes have got to be just pure chaos i would think so yeah i wouldn't even be able to walk yeah like it's gonna be like what's going on and when i and when i like accidentally hit something it like damages it you know feel like an ogre no offense you would probably though you'd be like, this sucks. Like looking up at people when they're talking to you.

I have noticed somewhat of a pattern is that I find smaller people are more clumsy. And my conclusion is that I think it's because it matters less. Yeah, the consequences are like, like what? I fall over. I'm so close to the ground anyway. Like the impact is pretty low, you know? Yeah. Anyways. like the impact is pretty low you know yeah anyways hi big luke have you tried hold on willing spy says oh no you'll have to go to the bathroom eventually yeah but yeah i always sit down anyway I don't have to look.

You'd have to experience it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, but like actually mechanically. Oh, my God. No, I don't think I'd have to do that.

Anyways. Have you tried a virtual challenge such as the Conqueror on your fitness journey? My girlfriend just started routinely exercising and virtual challenges have really kept her going. I don't really want to say. No, I have not. And if it's working for them, that's absolutely fantastic. And they should keep doing it and that's great to me i'm a big hater looks like a massive cash grab

you all challenges they have like themed ones but they all they all cost money do they yeah you get this cool metal thing at the end okay so like if your little goblin collector brain is motivated enough by that to go out and do stuff great sure yeah but like go for it pokemon go pokemon go doesn't even doesn't even work for most people yeah but but what i'm saying is like like i i don't i'm not into this i it looks like a cash grab to me personally um all that sort of stuff but if it works for them great you saw what happened when we launched our series four pins yeah so some people is sold out some people might be super motivated by this and if this motivates you to to get up and go out for runs and do stuff like that that's awesome it wouldn't really work for me and it's an expense so you might guess how i'm

gonna feel about it um okay but it costs more than zero dollars yeah so i i genuinely don't want to trash it because if it's working for you, then awesome. But yeah, I don't know. It is what it is. Question for Slick. I have recently transitioned from IC to EM for a newly minted team. Individual contributor to engineering manager. Yeah, I Googled them them earlier but i can't remember uh and i'm experiencing some trepidation about the shift any advice or reference material you

found helpful uh reference material most of what i learned about it is from wendell uh i don't think he talks about that stuff a ton on his channels um the mythical man month is a cool book a bit of an outdated title but it's a cool book um other than that there's tons of books i read a bunch of books i'm still reading books every now and then on the topic um for the most part honestly though you'll be fine just care about your team and you'll be fine this is great trendy says sitting down to pee is a prison thing and uh demy's got my back here it's a tired in the middle of the night and not wanting to turn on lights or clean up a mess thing 100 i also uh i also find that the other way is pretty unsanitary because even if you don't hit the seat the splashback is very

significant oh yeah yeah yeah completely agree also i often go in pairs to the bathroom like number one and two i often go in pairs so like it's just inefficient yeah because i'm gonna end up sitting down anyways like what was the point of that whole charade i don't know it's also one of the few times that i can get an interrupted time on my phone yeah like just take a break dude yeah there's a lot of factors relax yeah i i stay a while yeah to be clear i was joking that i always sit down but i actually do quite often because it's just like yeah man i'm just like i'm chilling in here and i don't need like pee all over the wall next to my toilet i just actually don't need that it's one of the reasons bathrooms smell so bad especially men's bathrooms even if the people who use it are accurate the splash the splash bag it's real even

even okay even if it doesn't like come out of the bowl you're very likely splashing the inside of the yeah it splashes the underside so and then it doesn't get washed away properly i realized this i realized how bad it was when i was giving my uh one of my kids a hard time and i bet you can imagine which one about like aiming badly and not cleaning up afterward and realized that actually it wasn't that it was that it was all collecting yeah under yeah and like drying there and then it dries on and it's gross it just sucks gross it's not worth it i sit down all the time unless i'm if you're at like a public thing yeah i'm not a huge fan of that i'm i'm a like foot with kicking up the seat touch nothing guy in public washers yeah yeah yeah 100 me too totally like but if i'm at home like if it's a particularly

gross one i've even been known to make a little toilet paper seat for myself. Me too. I'm lazy about it. Have you done the just power squat? Don't touch? No. Yeah. No, I haven't done the power squat.

I've done that before. That can be... Can we talk about something else now? No! Yeah, too bad can you relay to luke that he has a very nice laugh and it is very contagious is this a question no thank you though it's funny i i read the comments often i am i read the comments often and it's so divisive oh yeah some people hate it oh yeah it's and it like no one really seems to be in the middle people are like like it a lot or i ruin the entire show and their whole lives and

they hate me vegemite you're basically vegemite yeah yeah hey dll luke if you were the chief i don't know chief vision officer at lmg would you have started labs knowing the immediate return on investment and why yes but not in the same way and i think i've communicated this to linus i don't i'm not exactly caged about my opinions on things um yeah i don't know i wouldn't have gone as hard as fast um if it was which i'm not saying this is better to be clear just what i would have done um but yeah i would have started with fewer verticals i probably would have started with like just like gpu cpu and potentially nothing else or even just gpu keep it really narrow figure out all the

processes figure out all the speed bumps that you're going to run into with just that vertical that apply to multiple other verticals and then start growing from there but kind of like master one and then grow that would have been a lot slower that would have accomplished the main primary goal that linus has a lot slower um that wouldn't that would have caused major delays in a lot of different ways um yeah but that is probably maybe a little bit more expanded than that maybe like it depends kind of who applies and what special specialties they had maybe it would have been a couple more things maybe it would have been like gpu and keyboard i don't know um but it would have been fewer total things um Probably kept the original location.

Oh, the little one. Yeah. Yeah, okay. But the smaller team would have actually been okay. There's no way that team would not work out of that office. You had to get something else. Oh, yeah. But I would have kept the scope small

and then tried to stay in there. That's fair. I mean, the reason we didn't was because there was so much work that was going to have to be done, regardless of how many verticals we tackled. Like, we would still need the website in basically, it's exactly as it is form. Yeah, I'm genuinely not saying my way is, like, for sure better. And I'm not saying my way is better either. Yeah.

I'm just saying there were pros and cons either way. better either yeah i'm just saying there were there were pros and cons either way and uh there's definitely been speed bumps that we've hit that we wouldn't have with that method but we might have hit different speed bumps if you put all your eggs in two baskets and one of them hits a showstopper now you've got one basket good job you're launching half as many things as you set out to launch it's tough and this is like the the kind of like riskier way but if you make it the payoff is bigger and faster so the linus way that is this is often how it will go and yeah urban fervor says you have to pick a direction eventually yeah yeah that's you're never going to agree with

every single thing that the company that you work for does and that's actually okay and if that's not okay then you're gonna have a lot of problems even i don't agree with everything the company does yeah it's just it's true it's a thing no exaggeration idll big fan of y'all. Luke, a few weeks ago, you mentioned Mattermost having its own issues as a service. Could you elaborate? I work for a government organization that plans on using it for secure messaging. Oh man, it's been a while. We tried out Mattermost quite a while ago. It's been years since we tried it, so I'm not entirely certain. If I remember correctly, this is self-hosted.

If it's been that long, it might be challenging for us to say too much about it. Yeah. Maybe hit us up again once you guys have trialed it and let us know if our perception of it was outdated. would be interested in that take especially because with teams decoupling it might legitimately be time to reassess the chat solutions market papadaka says i use matter most with my college buddies and it works great so yeah but that's that's one endorsement and that's uh all that's worth but um yeah let us know we'd be we'd be happy to to learn more about it the professional self-hosted plan is ten dollars per user per month billed annually right now wait it's self-hosted and you pay ten dollars a month well there's a

free and there's a self-host got it okay um i believe the self-hosted tier, the main difference is things like SSO, LDAP user sync, advanced access controls, things like that that you probably will want in an enterprise environment. Maybe not for your bros at university, but at an enterprise environment probably. So you're likely going to be targeting $10 a month. There's also a enterprise option which sounds like it's maybe them hosting it. Okay. I don't know. Okay.

Nice. Hell yeah. Oh. I can't believe how fast TSMC was back at work. Yeah. Like hours. Wild. Yeah, I mean, obviously, having all of your manufacturing consolidated in one place is a big challenge,

but I know Framework has had some feelings about having their devices manufactured in China, and they've opted to keep their manufacturing in Taiwan, at least for now. And it's risky, but hopefully nothing too disastrous like the Thailand floods that almost trashed the hard drive industry for a number of months there um hopefully nothing like that happens and of course uh hopefully if something like that were to happen uh laptops and hard drives would be the least of our concerns and we would be more worried about how to help the people yeah i'm glad you're enjoying your framework 7 uh framework 16 though i'm obviously super super

proud of what the team is doing over there. Not proud because I helped, necessarily, but proud because they just seem like really cool people, and I'm proud of their efforts. They're working hard, and they're doing something they really believe in, and I think that's really important. And, sorry, I was

muted for that one. It was, what do you think about the framework and the earthquake? Oh, yeah, and they were enjoying their Framework 16. That's right, that's right. Last of the curate I've got here. Howdy, DLL. I'm 6 feet 6 inches. Show off.

198 centimeters, and would love to get your shirts or flannels because my friends love them. So, is there an ETA, even an LTT ETA, on when your tall or big skews start?ws start please um this shirt doesn't cover my back it's very comfortable though i think our next shirt order for the blank tees should have tall sizes can i can i get 50 i will actually i want to be a cartoon character i wear the same thing every day spending money if that, because I will legitimately replace my wardrobe.

I will also be doing the exact same. I will get rid of everything. And everything in my wardrobe is LTD stuff. They're good shirts. They're great shirts, yeah. I don't know. Do you have a favorite flower? No.

Me neither. All right, sorry, Brad F. And I think that's it for the show. Brad F. asked our favorite flowers. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever gets my way off my back. Bran.

Bran. Come on. I don't know. Whole wheat? It sounds like a hassle. Like, I'm sorry, I have to put water in it? And for what? So it dies slightly slower.

Yeah. Cool. Like your relationship. Alright, I think that's it for the show. We'll see you again next week! Same bad time, same bad channel! Hey! Bye!

Terry Fox Foundation! Yeah! Bye! Bye! I have this whole thing, I need to go! foundation. Bye.