The WAN Show - I Am Not Buying A Super Computer - WAN Show May 3, 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up everyone and welcome to the WAD show. We got a great show lined up for you guys today. AI powered race cars. Turns out they kind of suck so far. Big surprise. Also, the supercomputer auction has completed and... Spoiler, no. No, I didn't buy it and I will explain all of the reasons why as much as I would have loved to. That didn't make any sense guys it made absolutely no sense what else we got today uh really you had all this time i don't know you had all this time while i made an emergency bathroom break i'm not gonna lie i uh definitely focused on talking to chat instead and all of this is hmm google play celebrates sonic and got

Starting point is 00:00:44 every single fact about sonic wrong why you gotta focus on the negative because it's just funny why don't you go something positive do we have anything positive in the doc i mean walmart is collaborating with roblox that's not positive there's no way that's positive uh shrimp jesus but all right. The title for that topic is Meta says no more to spam unless it's AI spam. Nice. And then there's pictures of

Starting point is 00:01:12 Jesus made out of shrimp. All right, fair enough. the show is brought to you today by vessi squarespace and manscaped why don't we jump right into our headline topic which is of course the supercomputer auction good lord if i had a dollar for every single person who sent this bloody thing to me this week you could afford it i could have bought it yeah the cheyenne supercomputer has sold apparently for 480 000 80 480 085 us dollars this is for sale by yes for $480,085. This is for sale by, yes,.gov, the U.S. government. At one point, I believe it was in the top,

Starting point is 00:02:13 ooh, I can't remember exactly, but it was in the, I think it was in like the top 20 or top 10 supercomputers in the world or something like that. It's about seven years old though now. And if you guys read a little bit more into the details about it you'll probably figure out why in spite of the fact that it was looking like it might go for as little as about eight thousand us dollars earlier in the week i had no interest whatsoever in bidding on this thing see i swear if it went at eight grand and you didn't

Starting point is 00:02:45 buy it that would have been a mistake that would have been that would have been maybe a mistake that would have definitely been that would have been maybe a mistake okay we need only go as far as here here let's play a game all right let's play a game called how far into this page do i need to read to know what a bad idea it is to buy this thing cheyenne supercomputer looks good so far item name can confirm it's good when these things match that is yeah the sale lot number i mean that looks like a pretty lucky Dude, it's 28 racks. 28 racks, all liquid cooling. That's the E racks. The E cells, there are 14 units weighing 1,500 pounds each. And I have to get this stuff from buttf**k Wyoming up to our warehouse where, here, let's keep reading.

Starting point is 00:03:47 warehouse where here let's keep reading i will have to find a place to store yes 28 rack units containing a total of 145 000 cpu cores that draw and and this is this is a direct quote this is a direct quote here 1.7 million watts under load sir are you aware that with all of our buildings combined yeah we do not have enough power to actually run this thing still could have bought it okay if it was eight grand you still should have bought it we could have salvaged it but but there are more issues hold on because we can keep reading let's keep reading uh moving the system necessitates the engagement of a professional moving company. In fact, I don't believe that the buyer is even allowed on the premises. So that's something. Yeah, because it has to be a professional.

Starting point is 00:04:34 It's a data center. It's a highly secure area. Okay, so there's that. And then, no, no, it gets even better. It gets even better. Aside from these being outdated AF. And no, no, it gets even better. It gets even better. Aside from these being outdated AF, like we're talking Haswell grade CPUs here with DDR4-2400.

Starting point is 00:04:51 This thing is flipping slow. It took a team of, I believe it was a little less than 20 dedicated engineers to run maintenance on this thing. I'm not saying you should have ran it and they've been having issues with that maintenance to the point where they're saying hmm it's kind of costing more to run this thing than it's worth because their liquid cooling has apparently been leaking all over the place this thing this thing is a clusterfuck and it seemed like there were some people out there who were serious about buying a supercomputer and like running it. Oh, yeah. No.

Starting point is 00:05:31 And I'm looking at this thing going. No. Brother, if you know anything about operating a supercomputer, you know that nobody is buying this thing to run it. $480,000 is honestly a scrap price yeah 100 you are you are ripping cabling out of it you are ripping cpus and memory modules that is going straight to ebay you're not operating this thing because anyone who has the kind of money to pay the 60,000 US dollars a month that it is estimated just to put electricity in this thing's digital veins. And find a place that you can even get that electricity.

Starting point is 00:06:12 Don't forget the cooling. If you have that kind of money, you can afford new f***ing hardware. You are not buying somebody's like ratted out Civic of a supercomputer but and trying to lease out space on it that's just not how this works six years ago you made a video on the sfu supercomputer i did and that got 2.5 million views and it was six years ago okay 2.5 million views just just for context ladies and gentlemen in the tech vertical in the tech vertical, in the tech vertical, is worth about five grand. Okay, but you know that's not how the math works. No, the math's a little more favorable than that.

Starting point is 00:06:52 But if I spent more than probably 50 to 100 grand on this thing, I better be profiting on the teardown of it because otherwise I'm underwater. Which gets, I agree at that range. Even if I make a number of videos, guys, that's not one video. am i better be profiting on the teardown of it because otherwise i'm in i'm underwater which gets i'm underwater i agree even if i make a number of videos guys that's not one video yeah you've got a number of videos like three to five videos i'm doing a series yeah it's a it's a pickup vlog we're driving we're driving to wyoming boys uh it's that mr beast intro where the camera whips

Starting point is 00:07:22 out and you've got this huge semi behind you i'm in an abandoned supercomputer meanwhile it's like six minutes from the nearest micro center 100 um but yeah the the other problem is if you're parting it out you'd have to part it out like in the states oh yeah and you'd have to film all your content in the yeah what i'm gonna like i'm gonna bring over the border import this mess yeah you gotta be kidding me there's no way there's no way it was a fun thing to dream about it's one of those things where it's like oh man wouldn't it be cool to open a gaming hotel or start a you know uh a peripheral gaming peripheral business or you know like oh i had a i had a cool idea i had a fever idea and a fever dream. And I woke up in the middle of the night and I went,

Starting point is 00:08:07 Oh wait, a half a million dollars for what is essentially a gigantic pile of e-waste. No, no way at that point. No, it doesn't make, it doesn't make any sense, but,

Starting point is 00:08:17 but you know what? I definitely, I, Oh, I didn't think of that. What? Travis social in the floatplane chat you could write it off

Starting point is 00:08:28 I could free content I could have written it off and gotten like 5 videos I've made a terrible mistake you gotta think harder man there's like almost no chance but if the person who bought it reached out would you like do any content on it i mean yeah i'd be super down yeah yeah of course

Starting point is 00:08:53 all right people let's figure out who the heck bought this realistically it probably has some yeah yeah there's there's no this is this is basically one of those like e computer shop dot whatever like ebay stores and they're they're they're ripping it apart there's there's no way that anybody is actually going to try to operate this thing it is woefully out of date their high ram units have 256 gigs i mean there are gaming pcs out there albeit not many, but there are gaming PCs out there that have 256 gigs of RAM in them these days. This is not aged well, and especially it has not aged well with the way that the workloads for these supercomputers have evolved in the last seven years.

Starting point is 00:09:38 There is a reason this is being decommissioned. This thing is a CPU supercomputer supercomputer which ladies and gentlemen is not how they build them right now it as far as i could tell didn't really have any gpu compute units in it um it's also not designed with systems even that sfu supercomputer that i checked out six years ago had systems that had a terabyte or two terabytes or something of memory in them they were they were either four-way or eight-way cpu systems so they could have these gigantic pools of memory so that they could work on extremely large data sets as far as i can tell cheyenne didn't have any such nodes and didn't have any such capabilities so as data sets have grown and as the need for gpu

Starting point is 00:10:21 compute um for these for these supercomputing systems has grown it has it has become not just out of date in terms of the the how long it's been since the hardware was released but it has become outdated in terms of the overall design philosophy of the system in terms of the architecture of the system it just didn't make any sense but uh that could be kind of a fun video was a lot of fun oh it apparently does have 184 gpus schraff says 73 rtx 4090s outperform this machine it could be kind of a fun video to like try to build like set up a like we we built the like cheyenne supercomputer that's actually that's a really good idea and if I'd thought of it,

Starting point is 00:11:05 we probably would have gotten started on that this week. I do wonder if we've missed the moment a little bit at this point. Maybe. Now that the auction's actually over. Yeah, if we'd thrown together a cluster just of random motherboards and just loaded up as many GPUs as we could have

Starting point is 00:11:20 and friggin' Ethernet cabled them together and been like, okay, I bought a supercomputer, but it isn't what you think. It isn't that one. as we could have and friggin like like ethernet cabled them together and been like okay i bought a supercomputer but it isn't what you think that one uh that'd be pretty funny but yeah it's it probably missed the mark a little bit yeah 100 1680 petaflops i mean yeah what's uh what's uh what's a 7950x uh petaflops oh my goodness what is my what is my browser doing do i look old enough that i need that um yeah it doesn't say i guess that would be uh that would be teraflops here let's try it let's try teraflops i don't know i don't know how many flops it has

Starting point is 00:11:58 how many how many flops you got boys turns out nobody cares about the flops of cpus anymore all right well whatever i'm over it okay why don't we move on to our next topic what do you want to talk about uh mostly mostly your topics but sure let's see what let's do the you have you have tarkov update in here what's up with that oh i was just wondering what happened i i haven't been paying attention to it what i realized was that we talk about really bad news in the community sometimes, and we don't really come back and revisit it the following week to see if maybe something went better. Like back when we were talking about the problems I was having with my light switches, and we did ultimately do an update where we were like,

Starting point is 00:12:38 oh yeah, the company has actually done the right thing and released the firmware. JASCO, that's who they are. And I realized we don't always come back and say, say hey they did a really positive thing and everything's going good now which from the look on your face i'm thinking probably isn't what we're about to discuss so what's battle state games been up to this week no need this time uh they they there's been multiple attempts at addressing the issue um there's a bunch of things there's certain things that we didn't get to address last time like them editing their website did we talk about that no so they they edited their website to take certain wording away from different versions

Starting point is 00:13:16 that they had had in the past which would have made what they're currently doing like not okay so what i would like to know is are they aware of archive.org? Yeah, like apparently not. Like do they know that that exists? That that's definitely a thing that exists? They were asked in an interview after they did it. Have they heard of that? They were asked in an interview after they did it if they had done it and they said no. So I actually think maybe no.

Starting point is 00:13:39 Wow. Because they don't realize that people can prove that they did it, which is... That's pretty funny., which is pretty great. Are they Russia-based? Oh, it's one of those. It's complicated. The company is technically incorporated, as far as my understanding goes, in the UK. Right.

Starting point is 00:13:58 But where are their devs based? It's a Russian company. Okay, okay. Well, I mean, in fairness to them then, in Russia, you can just disappear things. And they stay disappeared. Yeah, unfortunately, it's the interwebs. So that didn't work out so great.

Starting point is 00:14:17 There's been multiple updates, and I don't know if all of them are super findable anymore, but essentially we've progressively gotten to where we are now. And where are we now? Is this a new update that I haven't even seen? Have they done a complete 180 and agreed to give everyone who bought the $150 edition the $250 unheard edition? Are they actually doing what they said they would do in the first place? So, sort of. Except in the the meantime they kind of made it worse oh brilliant so so anyone

Starting point is 00:14:52 who whistle whistle blew from inside battle state games got disappeared like uh like as if they were talking about airplanes see i i love that you use the term whistle blow because they added a weird new device into the game um that they're calling the legacy device now remember this is supposed to be a tarkov the legacy device yeah i don't know why it's called that but like it's a like it's an item an in-game item like you carry it or it's a gun or like what is it some form of in-game they just say unique item with call-in mechanics and i'll explain the call-in mechanics in a second can i just say for a moment that the moment call of duty died for me was the second that you could just order airstrikes oh yeah and take out your but what was that cod 4 or modern

Starting point is 00:15:36 warfare the original modern warfare original modern warfare i i played it for like two weeks and i was like this is stupid i'm sorry you don't even have to point your gun At the other guy yet I mean as gamers As gamers we've reached the point Where we Even like being slack jawed The old Warcraft meme In our desk like this

Starting point is 00:15:57 Moving the mouse to click the head of the other guy Is too much work That's unheard edition Tarkov players Alright fine okay so so you got this item okay so but yeah before before we get to that just in case people don't know about tarkov so much it's an extremely hardcore game yeah uh it's supposed to have you know a touch of realism still video games are supposed to be fun but they're supposed to be a touch of realism yeah but like you reload you can't just like shoot to shoot two rounds and and then throw in a new magazine

Starting point is 00:16:25 and magically the rounds teleported from the new one to the old one. You took out a magazine that now has 28 rounds in it and you put in one with 30. And that one still has 28 in it. Even if you have loose rounds in your pockets. It's a very, very hardcore game. And if you die in that game, you lose nearly everything on you. There's a couple small slots that you can retain.

Starting point is 00:16:50 But almost everything that was on you is now permanently gone. Except, as we talked about last week, the Unheard Edition, this new $250 edition, you can call in teammate reinforcements with one of their abilities so like you can be in a raid say say i was playing and then you jumped in discord i could be like oh hey and then i could call you into the raid that i'm currently playing the biggest problem with that shut up by an enormous amount is that cheaters they'll often sell their services because there's been a decent amount of stuff that's been put in place. So you can have cheaters Sherpas.

Starting point is 00:17:28 Yeah. So the cheaters can clear the whole lobby. And then you just go pick up the pieces. Then you just, yeah. And that's definitely how it's going to be used. That's and they'll sell a lot of unheard additions to cheaters that they'll then ban later.

Starting point is 00:17:44 And then we'll buy more unheard editions. That'll totally happen. Because now there's a commercial incentive to own unheard edition. Yeah, because you can sell people loot more easily and faster and kind of on their demand. And if they're looking for a particular item that's really rare, you could have like a list of clients that want different things, go into raids, clear the loot and then call in the people that need the particular items like it's it's really bad and a disgustingly terrible idea now that was already we already knew about that that was already a thing yeah now they're like trying to say sorry so they're like okay edge of darkness owner so this is the the people that bought this really expensive copy of the 150 copy of the game

Starting point is 00:18:24 most people bought this because it said of the 150 copy of the game most people bought this because it said you get all future dlc for free yes so it was like i'm buying into this game i have this is my like effectively lifetime it's like buying a plex lifetime pass or like yeah yeah sure it's more expensive than it like probably should be but you get all the stuff later sure but it's not priced ridiculously compared to other lifetime licenses for as a service products yeah so i can i can at least kind of see where people are coming from with this one yeah now they released this new version you don't get everything so they're frustrated so they said okay we're gonna give you know the co-op pve mode to edge of darkness people that was a big issue they're like we're

Starting point is 00:19:00 gonna do it in waves whatever but it is coming to you guys and a lot of the other things that they announced for the unheard edition not everything but a lot of it they're like we're gonna do it in waves whatever but it is coming to you guys and a lot of the other things that they announced for the unheard edition not everything but a lot of it they're like okay we're gonna give it to edge of darkness people and then they have this random line that says unique item with call-in mechanics legacy device ability to call in a friendly btr once called the item will go on cooldown a btr is um if you don't immediately know what that is yeah i'm sorry i don't know what a btr is it's one of these are you kidding me so basically they're turning tarkov into like like what i can't even i can't yeah into like cod like how does that make any sense you want to be imagine you're in a fight with someone.

Starting point is 00:19:47 Yeah. And you're like, they have some pretty hard cover. You have some pretty hard cover, but you're, you're trying to go at each other. And then you just hear this like legacy device pop off and you're like, well, I guess a armored vehicle is going to come and wipe me out in this game, which, and like other people have pointed out, not only is this a ridiculously egregious pay-to-win mechanic like obviously because the lower more basic tiers of the game don't get this but it also makes no sense for the lore of the game at all yeah because you're

Starting point is 00:20:18 supposed to be like completely cut off from command and all this other kind of stuff and now you're calling in like an armored vehicle and and for whatever reason it gets loaded onto like a spacex rocket and arrives immediately i just the whole thing is like what a clown show i don't know it's it's it doesn't seem like it would have been that hard to fix this but now they've screwed up fixing it so many times that now i think it's going to be very difficult to try to fix this there's also now they've promised this stupid truck and so anyone they promised it to now wants it because let's face it pay to win pay to win game mechanics work because losers no offense losers buy them so that they can not have to get good or whatever and look like look look i'm not

Starting point is 00:21:17 the kind of person that's going to sit and be all sweaty at a game and be like get good pay to win if a game is just really hard and the community is like super into it and intense i'm also not gonna pay to be competitive like oh my bullets do two times as much damage or whatever like no i understand that at some point i'm gonna kind of age out of being able to play whatever the the hippest esports game is and i'm i'm just not going to be competitive at it and no you don't have to give me like uh like oh i heard you spend eight hours out of your day working instead of just playing video games here how about we just take half of what you made today so that you can feel like a big shot against the kid like what what even is this what twisted mindset is making people buy these mechanics? It's, it's,

Starting point is 00:22:06 it's, it's, it's demented to me. I mean, the real solution, the proper solution is better matchmaking. Obviously just have the casual dads often. They're like crappy server where they can just spray and pray all over the

Starting point is 00:22:20 place and then put all the skilled players in the, in the same, in the same lobby. Like it's, it's very doable and some games do it very well but i guess it's more work and it's less lucrative and people will give you money for these kinds of silly upgrades so i guess that's why it keeps perpetuating and again it comes back to what we said last week guys don't give them money for it like man grow a backbone good lord gamers but but those people who buy into those mechanics now that battle state has promised it well their backs to a wall now their game's just ruined yeah because unless they give it to everyone

Starting point is 00:23:00 then it's not fair and once they do give it to everyone it then it's not fair. And once they do give it to everyone, it's modern warfare. Then the game's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, now we need an escalation point. I paid $250 for my addition to the game, and now you gave this stupid truck to everybody. Well, now I need a satellite death laser. Because otherwise, what's the point of me paying $250?

Starting point is 00:23:21 Did someone find it? What now? Oh, no. I think they, yeah, they Rickrolled me. Oh, I got wrecked. No! Nice. Okay, so there's some interview with him, with Nikita, the, like, I think he's the COO,

Starting point is 00:23:33 but he's the main person that talks publicly. There's some interview with him from a long time ago. I can't find it right now. I swear I'm not hallucinating this, but... Is Luke an AI? This topic next. He's talking about how cheaters... He had a realization that cheaters are actually a good thing for your game because when your player base is stressed out

Starting point is 00:23:59 and uncomfortable with the cheater situation, it increases what he calls donations and I'm like wow you know what donations this kind of makes a lot of sense what's a donation I think I think that's when he used to make mobile games so I think he was talking about like pay to win

Starting point is 00:24:18 mechanics they're gonna buy them more if there's cheaters in the game oh my god I'm not 100% certain I'm trying to find the interview, but I can't find it right now. I know it was on the subreddit before, but I'm having a hard time trying to find it. That is,

Starting point is 00:24:32 that actually hurts my brain. You have successfully hurt my brain. This look, it's Friday and you hurt my brain. It's a good time. You can recover. Why would you do that to me? What did I do to you

Starting point is 00:24:45 i hate that so much so so so hold on hold on tinfoil hat tinfoil hat coming on right now cheating exists in video games to sell micro transactions so i have to say one i need to actually find this video and two it's a translation from russian right so the translation could be wrong right so like i don't know a hundred percent oh did people just find it i think they did am i getting rickrolled again this is not what i'm talking about not the text interview okay it's a there's a video anyways we don't have to try to hunt it down but there's uh so there's there's some very active communities forming right now um this is cool though actually i don't know how much we want to go into it i don't know a lot okay right i mean is there a downside i'm wondering if they can issue like takedowns for it or anything even talking it's not like these guys

Starting point is 00:25:37 what what issue takedown for the wan show yeah if battle state wants to take down the wan show you know what that's fine i'll go to i'll go toe-to-toe. I got no problem with that. What are they going to do? What kind of... I don't know. I just don't know how it works. Under what authority would some stupid fucking Russian entity take down our podcast? Like, you've got to be kidding me.

Starting point is 00:25:56 In order for players... Yes, this is the interview. Okay, okay, okay. We found it. Hold on. This interview... There we go. So the post is, in order for players to donate you need to keep

Starting point is 00:26:06 them in a state of discomfort um this is a very old you can see moscow 2015 yeah so 2015 is if i remember correctly technically when tarkov started but this is as they're so they're pivoting off of like the mobile game they used to make some game called contract wars which is either like a mobile game or a browser game or something i don't remember what and then they pivoted into escape from tarkov and this is like as that pivot is kind of happening um he talks about yeah cheaters are always such a serious thing yeah come on get to your revelation both ways okay i'll say it good lord for me it was honestly a revelation how you perceive it is of course your business if there are a lot of cheaters

Starting point is 00:26:52 so what people just assume cheaters make other players uncomfortable so they just assume their advantage is that they had the main rule is to donate you need to keep the player in a state of discomfort the main rule is to donate so like his his point is if your players are uncomfortable they're gonna try to like get an edge pay to get advantages to get an edge stuff like that oh my god not great again i don't know the full context of that interview the translation might be wrong there's a lot of things that could be potentially wrong with that i wouldn't take that as like a 100 thing be careful there yeah yeah don't fall for misinformation someone at

Starting point is 00:27:36 full plane chat is saying the translation is accurate but like we i don't i don't know we generally trust float plane pretty good it's probably yeah float plane chat's usually pretty reliable i mean i wouldn't trust twitch chat as far as I could throw them. And they're literally digital. They have no weight whatsoever. I could throw them very far. Yeah, I could throw them very far. That is unless we have to account for wind resistance.

Starting point is 00:27:55 But I'm going to assume this is a grade 11 physics final. So I don't have to. Assume the cow is spherical but yeah rigid body cow there are there are multiplayer host it yourself play with your friends things happening very very actively right now for tarkov um i have seldom seen this much dedication and action on a project uh it's it's moving very very fast uh there's some videos on youtube of people playing it all have no fury like gamers scorned oh yeah truly and a bunch of extremely hardcore gamers scorned as well yeah um because Because the dedication to this is mad.

Starting point is 00:28:45 I mean, obviously, if they're going to sell $150... Okay, so the fact that the community is so outraged and so universally outraged, over a $150 version of the game means that, let's do the math, a significant number of them bought it. Because if nobody bought it, people would have been like,

Starting point is 00:29:03 yeah, whatever, that silly $150 version of the game that nobody bought it people have been like yeah whatever that silly 150 dollar version of the game that nobody bought who cares but no this is a game that people are invested in yeah and that's dangerous and i don't even think honestly for battle state i don't care if if that edge of darkness edition thing was originally 250 bucks i bet you like a ton of people yeah people would have been upset but they would have bought it they would have bought i do think the truck would have been a line yes i think the truck still would have been a line the truck is a big line the call in people to raid thing is a big that's ridiculous and and then going back on your

Starting point is 00:29:37 word is a big line those those three things is what has crushed this community but the community defies the community is not crushed the community made their own tarkov basically by having a bunch of single so single player tarkov spt has been a thing for a long time yeah um but it was you know single single player there's a bunch of mods for it though that you can make the game so much better than the multiplayer experience right but it was just a single player experience now there's fika a multiplayer mod uh and i've seen some videos i have genuinely not touched this but i've seen some videos of people playing and it looks smooth and there isn't a lot of like you know uh desync between the players that it looks like at least as good as live as far as i

Starting point is 00:30:22 can tell watching other people's gameplay of the you know the synchronization of the two players or multiple other players playing in the game and then some of the mods for single player tarkov work with the multiplayer mod so you can just make your own tarkov that's better in all the ways except for blackjack there isn't pvp but the active pvp in tarkov is so over riddled by cheaters that it's like it's kind of a non-factor you just cut that cut that limb off you know it's probably fine um so that's that's that's pretty cool in other gaming news yeah we do have another actually very big topic yeah i won bro versus bro okay we can go there that's a big topic sure we can't i'm down or we can talk about how hell divers now will yeah they're getting a view

Starting point is 00:31:12 bomb now right yeah i have not kept up with this at all other than that chat will not stop talking about hell divers not gonna lie that's the main reason why i know about it when did this even happen it must have happened like yeah all the articles are from today so this is like very very new uh pirate software is apparently popping off about it um yeah not good from from my understanding it has shown as a requirement on their steam page the whole time that you need a psn but it wasn't enforced the whole time oh so do you so to play on pc you need a playstation network account now i mean it wasn't required before though i see so people have played this whole time and here's the spicy part because at first

Starting point is 00:32:00 i was like that's really annoying but i I didn't fully, fully understand it. And then Pirate Software's tweet made me fully understand it. There are certain countries... Oh, where PSN's just straight up not available? Something like that, yeah. Pirate Software says, for all those... Here, I'll go to my... For all of those saying to just make a PSN account, bro,

Starting point is 00:32:23 if you've been playing Helldivers 2 and do not live in one of these listed countries you cannot make a psn account choosing a country you do not live in is a violation of sony's tos and could lead to account termination then again like what what is the drawback of that account being terminated does it matter well you can't play right but then couldn't you just register on a different psn account you tied your steam account so you're effectively banned from the game yeah that's bad yeah that's super bad so like there's gonna be a bunch of people that this happens to so this is just objectively not a good thing at that point because there's people that were playing no problem just fine probably loving

Starting point is 00:33:03 the game because it's a great game they roll a patch they roll a patch and now they can't yeah and you shouldn't just like suddenly require a new account sign up once the game's been out for like well they didn't suddenly require it they suddenly enforced it yeah yeah yeah fair enough and it is up to you whether to enforce your rules or not. However, that's a pretty crappy rule. It seems unnecessary, given that obviously they didn't have it before, and it clearly wasn't necessary. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:36 I mean, this is obviously part of their agreement with Sony, I guess, so that they can farm your data. I believe it's a Sony published game. Yeah, that's tough. Something. I'm not 100% sure. I mean, it does seem like an easy solution to this would be to... Oh, man, what is the easy solution?

Starting point is 00:33:55 Because there's no way Sony is going to just suddenly allow you to register from a different country. How on earth are they going to fix this? I have no idea. Because there's no way Sony is going to let them out of that requirement. I don't think they're going to fix this i have no idea because there's no way sony's going to let them out of that requirement i don't think they're going to roll it back they obviously would have known that this was going to generate a bunch of backlash yeah maybe they didn't maybe they underestimated how angry gamers can be i bet you honestly even they didn't consider this angle that pirate software pointed out because the the initial one is kind of annoying and i could understand honestly some people boycotting it because like oh you make me get

Starting point is 00:34:28 this new account how dare you i don't personally care that much yeah but the second you're gonna block i mean there's people that will be like mad that you're doing a giveaway because you have to have a twitter account and they're like oh well i don't have one it's like bro twitter's free well i want them to have my information bro make a proton mail account who gives a shit just put in some fake information but but it's like it's on principle for these people right so i could see someone just like on principle refusing to create a sony account like i get it uh but uh this is much worse this is much much worse the second the second it comes down to our our our you know our fellow democracy spreaders potentially no longer being able to play the game that's

Starting point is 00:35:11 that's where a line has been crossed for me apparently you have to tie your phone number to twitter now good lord what a crappy platform you can probably put a fake one in uh no because you probably probably send you a text oh you think so yeah probably stupid i used to put the white house for my address for like almost everything nice just worked all the time i almost always use 90210 as a zip code whenever i register for anything american there you go yeah exactly and it's like you have to put in an address and i'm like well i'm canadian there's no drop down for Canada. It only allows US. Well, I guess I live at the White House now. There is probably junk mail addressed to me that has shown up to the White House.

Starting point is 00:35:53 I thought about that not that long ago. Who the fuck is this Luke Lafreniere? That would actually be kind of hilarious prank. Signing the White House up for like magazine subscriptions and stuff i just thought you guys might want this you gotta know right i'm not just i i'm trying i'm just trying to imagine like what would be some what would be some fun subscriptions you just you gotta know this happens so much that it's probably like apparently it goes to an off-site facility for processing for security reasons that makes a ton of sense but yeah i um we were oh apparently i missed ludwig in the youtube chat oh that's a bummer oh wait no one cares linus stop something

Starting point is 00:36:36 all right hey thanks ludwig thanks for showing up oh this must have been because i was talking about bro versus bro nice okay well should we just do that now nice yeah yeah so that was fun i went down to la for a number of events um now that it's now that it's over i don't have any sort of security concerns about it so i i attended the retirement party for matt pat uh he is is no longer working at game theorist that doesn't mean he's no longer going to work at all he seemed to be in very good spirits. I don't know him especially well or anything like that, but we've talked a couple of times. Obviously, I have a ton of respect for his work.

Starting point is 00:37:13 And he seems like one of those people that you meet in person and you're like, all right, well, you know, don't take this the wrong way, but I think I had the full experience of meeting you and getting your deal from watching your videos. And to be clear, obviously, you know, he'll say things off camera that he wouldn't say on camera. But if you watch Matt Pat's videos and you're like,

Starting point is 00:37:36 wow, he seems like a likable dude, then I think you'll meet him in person and think, wow, he seems like a likable dude. Very, very genuine guy. He and Steph, absolutely fantastic. I've done a ton for the platform. I've done a ton for the community. So I was very honored to be able to be down there for that.

Starting point is 00:37:53 And then since I was heading down, that was actually the thing that instigated my trip. I was like, holy shnikes, I've been supposed to do a Bro vs. Bro with Ludwig forever. He came up here and did that collab with us. And I told him at theikes, I've been supposed to do a bro versus bro with Ludwig forever. He came up here and did that collab with us. And I told him at the time, I was like, I owe you one. Thank you very much. That was absolutely fantastic.

Starting point is 00:38:14 Anytime, by the way. And he's like, by the way, I'm in LA. And I was like, heck yeah. Yeah, yeah. Heck yeah, right? So I'm, okay, I'm coming down to LA. Can we make this work? Can we try and put

Starting point is 00:38:25 these two things together and then stars aligned and i ended up doing one more thing while i was down there so on the tuesday i uh i shot a video in collaboration with hp enterprise and kioxia do you know about this i know some amount about it on the space born to computer know some amount about it on the space born to computer oh so they rented and i kid you not this is apparently don't quote me on this because who knows sometimes people just like they they talk it and like you know they talk a big game but it's actually whatever but apparently the set that they rented was at least a piece of the same one that they used on big bang theory when walowitz goes to the iss so i'm in this like iss looking set and then they have a couple of the actual machines that were just sent up to the iss and i think it was february of this year. And we talk about all the things about them that are custom for space,

Starting point is 00:39:28 all the things about them that are not space-hardened in any way whatsoever, some of the experiments that they've done over the years, some of the benefits of having this processing on board on the International Space Station versus having the processing done... I mean, yeah, I guess they can have a... They can have cloud computing from up there.

Starting point is 00:39:46 They just beam it down instead of up, right? Reverse cloud computing. Versus having processing done in the cloud. So that's going to be a super cool video. So we shot that on the Tuesday, and then I came back up Tuesday night. But the highlight of the trip, the absolute highlight of the trip for me was participating in Bro vs. Bro. What's really funny about this is I don't...

Starting point is 00:40:07 Just one, before you get into the Bro vs. Bro, I was going to show you, but there's not really much there. But the reason why I knew that that happened was because my friend person from NASA... Oh, yeah. ...got me to go down there, and then now I just play games with them for fun. He sent me a message and was like, how'd you guys do this it was a screenshot of the like ascii art it's like what okay i was like hold on we're not gonna spoil what we beamed to the iss okay okay okay but we did we did get we we we got we got certain access and we definitely beamed a message to the International Space Station. Also, they're still interested in potentially doing a video on Mission Control Center design.

Starting point is 00:40:53 Okay, cool. I think it would be really good. So anyway, what's really funny about Bro vs. Bro with Ludwig was that I don't watch a lot of YouTube. And I've been very open about this in the past. I'm not trying to be like an asshole or anything like that. You do not know what it was? It's just the truth. Well, don't you remember on WAN Show

Starting point is 00:41:11 when I essentially pitched a gaming challenge with him after he said, I will beat Linus at literally any game. And I pitched a gaming challenge that was essentially bro versus bro. Yeah, I think I remember that. Yeah, I had no idea at the time. I wasn't doing a bit. I didn't know it existed. I believe you, because I know you don't watch YouTube.

Starting point is 00:41:29 You just read the comments. Exactly. So Bro vs. Bro is his format, where each of the two competitors brings some advantage games into the game pool, and then there are also some neutral games in the game pool. So the neutral games are battleship tetris um for this one anyway uh pong and rock paper scissors yeah and then we each

Starting point is 00:41:53 brought our own advantage games he brought birio cart um oh shoot what were his other advantage games i remember that one well because geoguessr one of his geoguessr was one of them yep and then he also brought uh tekken tekken 8 oh okay i didn't see that and then my advantage games were um towerfall okay beat saber and drunken fight simulator which if you remember you didn't pick halo if you remember is a game that you and i played i remember one time four years ago why would you pick that when we had a gaming night where we decided we were gonna play something fresh this was very fun actually and we sorted the entire steam store by price low to high and just started buying the cheapest games barrow

Starting point is 00:42:47 yeah barrow barrow 2020 let's go drunken fight we played some uh some disc jam that was actually pretty fun legitimately fun before the servers got all shut down don't buy it now waste of money now the servers don't want a fun game to buy now that is is kind of in this realm of like silly entertaining games tape to tape yeah we're having a blast genuinely actually very fun um and like pretty well made so check it out um so so anyway i so i brought drunken fight simulator to the beautiful beautiful um so so that's our pool of 10 games and the the way the format works is you kick off with a rock paper scissors which he didn't show which is a shame

Starting point is 00:43:25 actually because it was part of the reason why i led the way that i did in the rock paper scissors in the rock paper scissors that we that ended up deciding it uh was because i figured he wouldn't expect me to do the same thing again but he was actually playing a completely different mind game with me now i have to admit something ludwig if you're watching this um one of the best gamers i know even if she's not too good with a controller or a keyboard and mouse and she hasn't played a lot of video games is my wife and one of the things that she does is she will be constantly even when she is very clearly in a dominant position on the board, constantly talking about how she doesn't really know what she's doing. And she's just kind of doing stuff. Have you ever played a strategy game with that woman?

Starting point is 00:44:18 I don't think so. I vowed 15 years ago at some point during a family game night that I would never play risk with her again. Never. Because, because she has like, you know me, I'm, I'm pretty intense and I'll be like, I'll be like, I have to warn people before we play video games with you. Yeah. I'll like start, I'll, I'll start to call shots on the board i'll be like okay so everyone can see right

Starting point is 00:44:46 now that player a is is in a position where look i can't do anything to about any of this because i'm stuck in bloody south america where you people exiled me but they are about to take over asia and their borders are completely ready to be fortified and if you or you don't do anything this game is over like I'm very like that. He's good at inciting action from others. Well no I'm not because nobody likes

Starting point is 00:45:15 that guy. Oh. So Yvonne will be just like she'll apologize when she attacks people and stuff. Oh. So she'll be the nice person gotcha that doesn't say anything other than yeah sorry i'm not really i'm not really sure how to play this game i don't really know what i'm doing sorry i took all over all your places so i have to admit ludwig during the rock paper scissors match oh i was i was taking a page out of my wife's book a

Starting point is 00:45:42 little bit got it like i and I, and to be clear, to be clear, you had a strategy. What I said, what I said was true. I don't know rock, paper, scissors,

Starting point is 00:45:51 meta. Like I don't, I don't know. I was looking it up. I was looking it up later. And apparently statistically scissors is the least common throw. For example, uh,

Starting point is 00:46:01 men have a tendency to throw rock first. And there's like, of course we do. Man, there's all these f***ing like mind games and stuff. So when he's telling me things like, you sick f***, who throws that there? I legitimately didn't know why that was a weird thing to do or whatever. But what I was definitely trying to do was i'm a bit of a rock thrower myself was i was trying to get in his head yeah it's i was i was i wasn't trying

Starting point is 00:46:30 to figure out what he would do that was how i lost the first two you're trying to figure out what he thought you would do yes yeah yeah that's what i was trying to figure out what does he think because because i i don't know i've only hung out with him a couple times now and both times professionally like we don't know each other super well or anything yeah so his entire experience with me is both relatively recent and relatively short so all i had to do was think about absolutely everything he knows about me and try and figure out what he thought i would do and then try and get one ahead of it and so ultimate ultimately you know spoiler alert but it's definitely still worth watching um yeah man i don't know how you were confident he messages me right after and he's like never

Starting point is 00:47:19 lost hope never lost hope how could you not have lost hope when we were four four in our final game and then rock paper scissors was best of five i was down to nothing how could you possibly not have lost scissors is like that rock paper scissors is a super swingy game yeah i guess people will like if you like fall on your back foot and rock paper scissors you'll just like chain bad ideas but that didn't even happen i counted it took us i think it was either 12 or 13 to have five winners yeah that i don't know if that is normal but it doesn't it didn't feel normal i think it's pretty normal it felt kind of there's a huge amount of rock paper scissors games that i've been involved in i'm making this sound like i do this

Starting point is 00:48:05 often which is not true just to be clear but like you know people will throw the same thing all the time super common okay all right yeah and and and that's the other thing that i said that was true by the way ludwig i actually don't i don't really play which he's not going to be happier hearing me say right now because he got like he seemed he seemed a little upset about me beating him at things and being like i don't play this you don't play that many games yeah i mean it is true when i used to play a lot when i was going through trying to find my advantage games though man why didn't you pick halo why didn't you play uh supreme commander i well okay okay okay well there were a couple factors remember i'm an entertainer yeah i'm

Starting point is 00:48:43 not going to pick supreme commander subcom would not have been fun yeah that's not that's not engaging for the audience just like watching someone not know how to play an rts and like it's not entertaining complicated rts yeah it's it's not up there it's i wouldn't say it's the most complicated necessarily but it's definitely kind of arcane like the way that it works is fundamentally different from the normal way that an rts works okay that's a better way you mine materials and then you use them to make something in supreme commander you have a continuous economy of income and uh and use and you have to balance them yeah so it's just it's a little it's weird different to wrap your brain around um so that would not have been entertaining at all. He would have had like two things

Starting point is 00:49:27 and I would have stormed in with an army and just blown it all up. So you tried to push for content a little bit. As for why not Halo, they had only one computer there. We weren't in their main studio. Because I was realistically, I think what he really wanted

Starting point is 00:49:41 was to have me down there for the yard, their podcast. And then, well, I mean, we're going to like go do that in that studio and then go do like bro versus bro in a different studio. Like it doesn't make sense, right? So we kind of had to throw together what we had with what we had. Sure. So if you watch the archive of the live stream, which I think is unlisted now, I don't know if he links it anywhere, if it's like much longer and has a lot of technical difficulties and stuff like that it's funny the number of comments that i see like what's with all the technical difficulties as long as

Starting point is 00:50:13 even technical like like people like actually mad about i'm like i'm a guest what i'm gonna like i'm gonna diagnose their capture card no i'm gonna sit and patiently interact with chat and come on you guys what do you think this is there's also like do you go into someone's house for dinner and like start cooking the meal for them like i don't care if you're a chef that's f***ing rude like what's your problem geez it's also i mean we have technical difficulties all the time yeah exactly stuff can happen like if you've ever done anything in your life you know that things don't necessarily always work the way they're supposed to yeah it's like

Starting point is 00:50:50 man that's some a plus backseat driving right there um so anyway oh how do you miss abbotsford you know what's funny is i even okay you know those doors that all the new houses have been installing with like the windows like this? I saw one, and I was like, I have no idea how common they are. For all I know, they're super trendy, just in general, more broadly. But I saw it, and I was like, man, that looks exactly like those doors that my neighbor just installed, and every new housing development locally has. I wanted so badly.

Starting point is 00:51:24 So this is GeoGuessr Canada. He challenged me to GeoGuessr Canada. I was on my home turf. Which is, you know, if you're pushing for content, which I think you both do, which is good. That's one way to take an advantaged game. For him. And make it more interesting. Because I've never played GeoGuessr.

Starting point is 00:51:39 Yeah. I've literally never played GeoGuessr. But as someone who has not a lot lot but a buddy of mine and i will will play every once in a while hi bobby um but a buddy and i will play and canada actually very rarely comes up so even if he plays a lot he probably doesn't see a ton of canada so it's like yeah it's a cool mix anyway a location came up that was probably about 30 to 50 miles from home for me like it was embarrassing that i that i guessed across the entire flipping country and it cost me the game yeah and and almost cost me the whole challenge because if i'd won that game it would have been over i wouldn't have had

Starting point is 00:52:17 to go to being down to nothing in a best of five rock, paper, scissors. Like, how close that was to losing me the game was terrible. So basically, what was going on in my head, this was the very first round of GeoGuessr. I've never played before. I didn't really understand how quickly you should be moving around and stuff. Yeah, I saw that. I hadn't really watched him play. Yeah, you want to zoom. Yeah, and so I was just there.

Starting point is 00:52:44 I was like, oh, you know, can I see anything that's a hint? No, all the license plates are kind of blurred. I guess I won't be able to rely on that. And do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And it felt so close to home that I second-guessed myself. I went, there's no way. They've got to be more common than that. There's no way the first one is just going

Starting point is 00:53:05 to be in my backyard i don't know some suburb in ontario and i ended up being off by like 2 000 miles because canada is enormous or whatever whatever it is my big crutch for geoguessr is domains domains because it's it's usually worldwide and i find that the really big countries like the u.s and canada really actually don't come up that much it's often europe europe various european oh like little european countries so even if you're off you're going to be close-ish but if you see a store banner and the store banner has their website on it yeah it's a dot nl it's like oh yeah then that's a pretty easy one cool so i'll just like zoom around try to find something that would have a website on it and then be like all right cool and i figured some

Starting point is 00:53:51 of that stuff out later yeah like how like using signs and stuff but i didn't i didn't figure it out early on it just wasn't a game i'd played before it was brutal too because the end score if i remember correctly was actually very close it was really close like really less than 100 points and he had 25 000 where like almost immediately on his screen there was a sign that just said uh what was it manitoba yeah the name of a university or something yeah and then mississauga one or two more clicks later and it was two major highways crossing each other that was his last one and it was like oh i guess i can find exactly this spot and just get like maximum yeah so when i saw that happening i was like oh i guess he lost because i thought you had it up till then because without basically a perfect guess yeah i knew we're gonna win anyways yeah yeah man how i mean realistically he had his he had his own bamboozled moments um i still burst out laughing every time i watch his breakout gameplay

Starting point is 00:54:49 i didn't see the whole thing you didn't see breakout no i saw part okay that's the one thing that we're gonna watch together on the show today i saw i saw you playing i saw you talking about the laggy input and then i saw them try to show like it's not laggy and i'm watching just being like what do you mean i can i can see it's laggy through the power of the internets but um i didn't get to watch the rest of it i was like busy doing stuff and i was just trying to tune in when i could yeah yeah that's fine the this is man this is absolutely wild though okay so here uh i'm bringing it up on the on the stream version hey dan am i gonna have audio here uh yes you are not playing anything now i sure am not uh am i now yes all right here let's go so linus laptop here we go make sure that you guys can hear it too okay so he's just he's playing

Starting point is 00:55:38 around with it a little bit to kind of get a feel for the yeah yeah yeah that's smart i think it's this one he's got control oh he keeps like yeah control oh is the audio really bad only for us most likely only for us oh okay cool oh god okay i hope but it should be why is it so bad for us it sounds like sample rate mismatch okay oh my god oh what no no he got it, no, he got it. He got it. I hate when it's like flat. Okay, so don't worry about it. So we get five balls. We were going to play pong, but we couldn't find a pong that would accelerate the ball

Starting point is 00:56:14 in between shots. We couldn't find a web pong that would work properly. That's weird because that's just how pong works, isn't it? It gets faster as you play. Okay. Okay. The audio doesn't really matter that much the audio doesn't really matter that much it doesn't really matter that much but a lot of you were able you should just i'm just going to turn the audio off forget it so basically

Starting point is 00:56:33 he's cruising along and then just gets absolutely completely just bamboozled. So he's got to get 102 points to beat me. Oh, that was close. And he's used up three balls now. Is the orange and the red just like that? No, they speed it up, but I don't think they're supposed to actually change the angle the angle yeah but the but the higher bricks are worth way more points so the lower ones are worth one each and then i think it goes up to three and then like five or seven or

Starting point is 00:57:15 something but it just like it just tosses it on a weird look at your face you love this i couldn't i couldn't believe it i couldn't believe it i felt i mean i like winning obviously but i felt terrible for the guy because that was ridiculous that is ridiculous and with how leggy the controls were you can't be reacting to like catch it yeah yeah especially the first one which is it looked completely broken i just i don't yeah't know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it was ridiculous. That's unfortunate when you don't prep the games ahead of time. Well, honestly, we had the same issue in Drunken Fight Simulator. Like, it didn't, I swear to you, the controls are worse than they were when we played. Markedly worse.

Starting point is 00:58:01 Very noticeably worse. Like, we could barely orient our guys to face the same way and the animations weren't even smooth like like sometimes you could get them to turn a little bit i think i think it worked better the time that we played and obviously game hasn't been patched i mean that's probably why like come on right so it barely worked at all. Epic. Yeah, yeah. It was a lot of fun, though. He was an absolutely great host.

Starting point is 00:58:29 What I said about him on The Yard, I stand by 100%. I think that he is an S-tier host. I think he's a born entertainer. And you could basically drop him into pretty much anything, and he would manage to find to find the entertainment find the humor um and it just it doesn't surprise me what a success the guy's been even if you know like i said i don't i don't watch a ton of content um and honestly the rest of the the rest of the team was great i was razzing them a little bit on the podcast i don't know if you've watched it you

Starting point is 00:59:00 you listen to the yard right it's up now uh not are you used to anyway yeah uh i will probably listen to it at some point i my thing with the yard is i i had this great appreciation for the yard because um i i gained a ton of weight over covid and the the best and safest thing for me to do for a while was just go walk so i would walk for like hour and a half to two hours every day right just get tons of steps in so i would listen to just the yard constantly because it was really entertaining and it would make me i would want to listen to it so i'd want to go outside and walk because i wouldn't let myself listen to it without walking having been on it i still don't understand what it is about what is the podcast about is it just white guys talk about things podcast because yeah all right yeah yeah fair enough i guess it's about white women and

Starting point is 00:59:45 dogs it's all right just just that's that's the topic that's what it's about sure yeah because they like there wasn't it didn't seem like i don't think there's like a set like this is this is like a tech news show but what do we talk about half the time what's the point of this show i don't know yeah exactly what's the point who knows i don't know it's called the yard it's like some dudes sitting in chairs in a yard called them out hard on their like tier like little bro controller uh set up for their guests oh is it bad they all had like that's another thing i don't watch it because i would just listen to it i was walking they have really nice mic arms so they can like shift in their chair yeah and like have their

Starting point is 01:00:27 mic like right next to their mouth and stuff and i'm just mine's just on like a light stand so i had to like sit up like i had a broomstick up my butt the whole time and to be clear it was it was fine they were all very courteous guests i gave i gave the rest of the guys a bit of a of a like i razzed them a little bit it was like i don't even know who you guys are um but they were absolutely fantastic and i i was mostly just leaning into it later just to just to razz them because it's not like they didn't take their opportunities with me so i'm sure yeah we didn't even make it through bro versus bro without him bringing up the the hard r incident oh really yeah i didn't realize that i suspected they would have on the yard out of all the meme faces and

Starting point is 01:01:11 like everything that's gone on here in the 11 years that i've been doing this at linus media group really the hard r1 is the one that has made its way into the general consciousness i think more than anything else and for those of you who aren't familiar, on an episode of The WAN Show some time ago, I don't even remember, but I alluded to having used what I thought that meant. I thought it meant the mental disability slur. And I was talking about how it was culturally acceptable to use it in the early 2000s like in high school and i referred to it as the hard r thinking that that's what that meant but i found out that means a very different word that in fact doesn't begin with r

Starting point is 01:01:58 yeah but okay why would why would it be why what how does the word hard make any sense with the previous one? I don't know. Well, because it's a hard word. I don't know. I don't know. I just didn't know. They're talking about how you pronounce the R at the end of the word. I understand now. Thank you very much, Professor Linguistics. The worst part about this for me is

Starting point is 01:02:19 people just constantly bring it up around me. I'm like, I don't want to talk about this. Like I'll have, I'll, I'll have never met this person before. Don't know that they know me or anything.

Starting point is 01:02:33 And they'll just walk up and be like, hard are like, why? I don't want anyone around me to hear that you're saying this to me. Like, I don't like if we're in private conversation, maybe, but people are just walking up to me and saying hard are in public.

Starting point is 01:02:44 And I'm like, wait, I don't, what do you, in private conversation maybe but people are just walking up to me saying hard r in public and i'm like what i don't what do you so you've yeah you've cursed me if that if that makes you feel any better that's pretty funny yeah i thought you might like that yeah i mean i mean how many things in your life are cursed because of me that can't be the worst one yeah i don't know oh man yeah that's great um i i had the pleasure of i had the pleasure of bringing up the ice climbers video that you linked me to the best from those guys yeah so poor ludwig um got to realize that the only video i'd ever watched of him was actually slime's video which i didn't realize as i'm sitting there on their podcast oh man i i found them through uh slime wire as well

Starting point is 01:03:35 slime's channel i didn't i didn't actually because i don't watch streams at all ever i had no idea how profitable podcasting was i think they make more on the yard than we do on any individual property, including one show like they, like they have 40,000 subscribers to just the weekly pot. I mean, why do we do one show for free? What's the point of the subscribers? Do they get it early or something?

Starting point is 01:03:58 Or like they get a decent amount of extra content. Oh, do they? Okay. Yeah. That's kind of cool. The yards. Patreon is actually like pretty good. Yeah. Maybe we we should learn some things i'm going to your laptop i mean i've brought

Starting point is 01:04:10 them up a few times oh get out of here no one will respond to that if you email it um i don't know if it's going to show here but yeah see premium episodes i don't know okay i don't know like do they do a thing at the end of the show or something it didn't seem like it not with me anyway it seemed like everything we shot was the the thing that was uploaded so yeah so they have premium episodes they have this yeah aiden's advice um i don't know they've got other stuff so there's a bunch of a bunch of extra content i think there's a pretty big lean on extra content got it and then there's you know discord access the normal stuff postcards i don't know what's up with that first look at all merchant discounts

Starting point is 01:04:48 that's cool yeah so their merch sells out crazy fast as far as i can tell like they they had a like a coffee book or something yeah coffee book like coffee table book or whatever they're called sure um and apparently it's sold out in like five minutes and they have to do a second printing now or something like that that's wild oh they have a second printing now or something like that. That's wild. Oh, they have a cool tier at the end there that I'm not going to say. Linus figures out something he does for four plus hours a week can make money. Okay, I know it can make money. It's just that it could make more. The point is just that I had no idea how invested people get in podcasts.

Starting point is 01:05:24 I don't know. I don't consume them. This is one of just yeah i i don't know i don't know i don't i don't consume them this is one of those things that i don't consume so they're selling a natural just lawn chair yeah it's it's pretty comfy i sat on it during bro versus bro it's a rocking lawn chair that's funny why not right yeah i don't know we made a screwdriver who knows yeah exactly here's here's what i was talking about it's it's a little blurred because i'm not subscribed to their patreon but yeah see the chair there but it's a lawn chair but yeah they kill it they 42 583 members that's that's some monster member count yeah heck yeah no kidding it definitely made me feel like we need a set upgrade we are probably we are probably we probably have the highest um sort of general

Starting point is 01:06:07 reach and influence to set construction quality ratio on the internet at this point like the show is low-key a gigantic podcast like we have anywhere from 600 to 700 000 weekly viewers of the video thing i don't even know how many people watch it or listen to it on podcast platforms but ludwig pointed out to me that thousands of people apparently watch on twitter which i had i didn't even know we just like turn it on i think never looked at once i have no i have never once looked at how many people are watching on twitter we are streaming setup we can just like add streaming destinations no problem yeah so we should just stream everywhere once in a while we're just like oh there's another one we didn't think of we're on tiktok now yeah do you know about that we're on tiktok right now yeah my tiktok

Starting point is 01:06:58 holy f**king s**t there are 11,000 people apparently watching on twitter sup dudes what have you been doing with your life why are you watching live why are you watching a four There are 11,000 people apparently watching on Twitter. Sup, dudes? What have you been doing with your life? Why are you watching a four-hour video on Twitter? Yes, you're being called out. Get attacked. Why would you watch this show? Go outside, nerds.

Starting point is 01:07:20 Touch some grass. It's fine to watch the show. Get off the internet. It's funny watching it on twitter apparently our chat is verified only can we un-that it because that's cringe sure dude I'm not

Starting point is 01:07:34 you're right I'm just saying I'm not going to even begin unmoderated Luke this is the very last time that i am ever going to look at it so it doesn't matter how long have we even been streaming on there i don't know a few few weeks now a few weeks something like that no one looks no one i mean are these just all bots anyway like look probably don't look at the comments buddy here is like didn't even know this

Starting point is 01:08:02 was a thing so pretty active is that the only verified user i don't know because it's verified only chat that's the only comment i don't know if you can check that's kind of sick i think i like that that's good we should keep it that way sup mario all right well there you go there's two of them now things are taking off a little yeah that's probably okay here we gotta encourage. That's the end of the attention for the Twitter chat. Yeah. That is hilarious. I wonder what Ludwig thinks about us being openly hostile against

Starting point is 01:08:32 most of our viewership of the WED show. No. No. We are not openly hostile to most of the viewership. We are openly hostile toward most of the viewing platforms. We are openly hostile to Twitch, Twitter, Facebook. Actually, Facebook we're more just ambivalent about.

Starting point is 01:08:50 Yeah. We got 18 on Facebook. Why? Yeah, exactly. We love you guys. Those are our real viewers. It's Luke's mom. In the words of Nikita from Battlestate Games, those are the true believers.

Starting point is 01:09:01 Luke's mom is legit way too tech savvy to be watching on Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. She has a float plane account exactly got him um yeah and i don't know i don't think we're openly hostile to tiktok how many people are watching on tiktok well you didn't even know they existed i got 238 241 yeah okay that kind of makes sense who would be watching this on tiktok like that yeah yeah sure i mean this is our second week we had like 10 oh so we doubled is what you're trying to say 200 is oh oh so we 20 x'd yeah i don't i think part of the problem is there's like there is a when there is a account on tiktok called the wan show but our actual account is called the dot wan dot show seriously yeah so i wasn't even on the right page this shows you what

Starting point is 01:09:51 i know about tiktok like we don't stream wan show on the linus tech tips tiktok i don't know why maybe that i'm sure someone there's some reason for that i'm sure yeah look at that but here's the like yeah that's the real wait. It's not vertical. Is it? I don't know. These are clips. No, it was hilarious. These are clips.

Starting point is 01:10:09 Okay. So the WAN show is live. Okay. Okay. So Dan, what's our, what's our Spotify numbers? I hope they're good because like I low key legitimately thought that the,

Starting point is 01:10:20 the WAN show is like kind of a big podcast. And if I find out now that it's actually a really small podcast, then my pee will get very small well i mean we're we're fourth in the u.s for tech like news that seems kind of uh it looks like 500 on the podium then so 500 000 listeners in the last month oh that seems like a fair bit i don't know is that i have no idea i have no context super related like they're like uh cryptocurrency trading podcasts and stuff like it's anything that could fall under tech okay so hold on what are the what are the ones ahead of us dan again uh there's a cyber security one a cryptocurrency one and the wall street journal how do you find this wall street journal uh it comes to my email oh uh do you have a way

Starting point is 01:11:01 of screen sharing or just forward it to one of these accounts? I will try and find it. That might take too long. So apparently there's a theory on why the WAN show is so big. Okay. And it's because people fall asleep. And then when they wake up, they're watching the WAN show. They were talking about this on the Waveform podcast a week or two ago. Wow.

Starting point is 01:11:23 They're like, yeah, how often is it that you go to sleep and when you wake up you're listening to linus and luke talk about tech on the land show and they were like very often which i think is pretty funny who's sleeping for like three hours full-plane chat is like no this is a hundred percent of thing this happens to me every day fix your sleep no no no no they're not sleeping for three hours they go to sleep listening to something and then it auto plays all night and they wake up in the middle of a six hour when she ends up landing on exactly got it well okay then everyone else just needs to figure out their game figure out the market man we cornered our niche it's sleeping people okay you can find your own and the show is so long so we can have every single keyword

Starting point is 01:12:10 in the video description and in the time stamps yeah yeah all right you just got to figure it out oh that's fantastic fantastic uh okay so dan uh do you do you have the list no i'm looking for it currently okay fine you can just you can just or like it can you just is this something you can just search for like the oh i might be able to find it hold on i don't know how to try a different spotify works oh we're not on spotify we're using a new thing called megaphone by spotify on what yeah megaphone what why do you why do you why do you need megaphone ah charitable so uh megaphone allows us to simultaneously post it everywhere and also

Starting point is 01:12:52 manage all of the podcasts simultaneously previously what we would have to do is go to each individual um oh no i don't want to sign up i want to log in uh we'd have to go to each individual platform and then post it there, right? Because we've got TechLinked and GameLinked as a podcast now. Charitable doesn't even show us in the top. Oh, it's United States of America. Okay. I'm looking at our statistics.

Starting point is 01:13:16 Do you make money on like a Spotify podcast? Yes, we make money. Do we really? Yes. So one of the reasons they moved us over to Megaphone was part of their Spotify audience network, which allows us to, I'm so sorry, do targeted advertising. We can also insert advertisements as necessary, and it's all sort of automated. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:13:40 People know that they don't have to listen to those ads, and they can just watch on YouTube where we don't insert ads in the land show right yeah or say you have something like spotify premium i don't believe the ads are served oh got it okay well that's uh that's that's neat i guess should we jump into a topic oh no we're supposed to explain merch messages hey oh yeah that's right so while i was down there for ludwig stream someone uh sent him a super chat for 500 us dollars which i thought was pretty wild and uh and even he seemed like kind of taken aback by it he was like yeah i have kind of a policy anything above a hundred dollars i don't give any kind of different reaction to because you want to encourage like degenerate behavior yeah you don't want to encourage people

Starting point is 01:14:24 to just be giving way too much money to people that, you know, because like some of those people, maybe that is totally fine for them, but you're also there. Some people are a little silly with their money sometimes and they'll see something like that happen and do it when that's the last hundred dollars

Starting point is 01:14:39 they have left. Yeah. Which they really shouldn't do. And I would never encourage someone to do. And like, maybe if it's the oil princes or whatever, like who cares? Yeah, sure.

Starting point is 01:14:46 Why not? And then I think he said something along the lines of like anything above $500. He like doesn't acknowledge or something like that. Like I can't remember exactly how he explained like his, his sort of personal approach to it. Our approach is I'll take your $500. In fact, I'll take a thousand, I'll take $5,000. But in exchange,

Starting point is 01:15:02 In fact, I'll take $5,000. $50,000. But in exchange, $500,000. I will send you some fine merchandise from lttstore.com. We really do have an extremely broad range of products these days. We've got everything from hats to... Oh, man. Oh, we've got some really cool new stuff this week.

Starting point is 01:15:20 We've got hats. We've got tools. We've got cable organizers. Man, this product is like my favorite thing ever look at this gif man you just put that put that little magnet on there it's a gif luke get over it put that little gif on there reviews solid absolutely love it uh had to remove the triangle piece okay product is great oh shipping took long oh that's too bad well everyone says the product is great and i guess we took long. Oh, that's too bad. Well, everyone says the product is great.

Starting point is 01:15:47 And I guess we need to get our shipping sorted out. But hey, that's our transparency for you. So you can check out reviews. We've got a lot of great products. We've got some really cool stuff this week. Have you seen this yet, Luke? Well, I'm wearing one of them. Oh, that is hilarious.

Starting point is 01:16:04 Luke is wearing a dead pixel. it's the dead pixel collection folks and we've got so much cool stuff want to be the vana today uh sure we've got a dead pixel monitor enamel pin it's on there it's on there it is a little hard to see but that's the point can we get it that's the point there's a dead pixel on there oh i got it we've got a dead pixel sticker sheet so you could put a dead pixel on your house you could put a dead pixel on each one of these stickers is a pixel yep you could put a dead pixel on the bumper of your car you could put a dead pixel on your water bottle you could put it anywhere you want we've got the dead pixel desk pad can we take this out uh nope not necessary i think people understand the point it's a black

Starting point is 01:16:51 mouse pad there's a white dead pixel on it somewhere i'm told they're all different as well that is so cool that is really cool wait is that true of all of them that maybe that's only the shirts i don't know don't don't quote me on that because i'm pretty sure the enamel pin is always in the same place so i don't know the dead pixels on it somewhere maybe they're the same maybe some of them are different it's all it's all part of the fun considering the enamel pin it's like it's not part of the paint it's actually part of the like metal i think it's molded yeah uh anyway this i believe was a uh sarah butt brainstorm a while back and i was basically like not only do we need to do this we need to do so much more of this um so it's man yeah we we ended up with an entire collection so you guys can check it out by clicking it there

Starting point is 01:17:40 uh sticker sheet did i miss anything nope but you can get a bundle oh that's cool okay so you can get some bundle savings 59.99 for the entire dead pixel collection and this is the same quality desk pad that you guys have come to know and love from us don't take my word for it take the word of all of the people who have bought our desk pads over the years the one that has sold the most is of course the northern lights design and this is a five star product quite literally a five star product with thousands of reviews we've sold tens and tens of thousands of these so it's a really great great quality pad the only problem with it is that hey if there's a dead pixel i'm afraid we will not be accepting a return on this desk pad if it has more than five dead pixels in a cluster then i would accept i would accept a

Starting point is 01:18:27 return that seems fair yeah that seems fair there you go there's your uh there's your dead pixel right there dofo and full plane chat said so last week was a setup right you are yeah very clever of us uh anyway the point is i think we've uh so yeah if you want to send a merch message all you got to do is head to lttstore.com add something to your cart and when you're in the cart you'll get a little pop-up when we're live to send a merch message it'll go to producer dan hey producer dan who will reply to you uh curate it for me and luke to respond to or just pop it up at the bottom or even forward it to someone else internally who can get back to you with the answer that you need yeah i have one more update on the store if you guys are looking for an excuse to send a merch message today today is your last opportunity to save 20 on the backpack

Starting point is 01:19:15 we are taking back orders for our first batch of the fully updated backpacks with the dual layer bottom and the titanium carabiner. And YouTube Shopping is helping you save 20% if you shop the real deal and purchase through the product tag on this video. On YouTube. Yeah. So if it's not there, you don't have the discount because YouTube is paying for the discount. They are covering the discount. All new backpack orders are expected to ship in July. There is a very limited number of these discounts available,

Starting point is 01:19:46 so if you want to get a deal on the backpack, grab it now. Dan, do you want to throw a couple of merch messages at us and we can show the people how it works? Sure thing. Let's see. Jacob here. DinoPins when? At Luke, can you talk about your experience with Shopify and your team's process? As a

Starting point is 01:20:02 Shopify developer, I'd love to hear your thoughts on not building a custom theme or not building a custom theme man i mean sorry to jump in would be very unlike me to do that if someone specifically asked luke a question totally yeah yeah um do it faster i don't even think it's an option what do you mean like not not doing a custom theme like honestly we ran into so many well i'm trying to figure out what they mean because like our theme is based on one of the shopify themes so are they are they saying that that's not doing that i think it is doing that because we've made a lot of modifications yeah but it isn't like custom from

Starting point is 01:20:42 the ground up oh i see what you mean yeah i would say i'm not sure what they're how they're defining this got it well one way or another i'll tell you this you will run into limitations so fast if you try to just go bone stock let shopify work for you they're actually great there are limitations to it you're you're you know you're gonna get frustrated sometimes because there's whatever weird esoteric idea that you have that isn't going to work very well with the shopify setup but in general shopify is this fairly quickly considering the size of the company constantly marching forward machine that will improve and develop your store effectively for you so i would highly recommend to base off one of their themes i think the theme that we based off of is the dawn theme i believe that's it that sounds familiar and then it's

Starting point is 01:21:29 heavily modified so pick pick one of the ones that you like that are on like do do a very short amount of research because it doesn't require much to figure out which one is their most like forward which ones are their most forward facing ones right now pick one of those modify it to your liking and then as they have the i don't remember what they're called but it's the happens like i don't know twice a year or something they have these shopify events and they announce like 10 trillion features 20 are available now any percent are going to be available over the next series of weeks or months year whatever um and then just integrate those features and keep moving forward and then check out the

Starting point is 01:22:05 app store they they also do like a shopify approved apps thing where there's apps that have worked more directly with shopify those ones are often better like we work with a lot of different companies in this realm shopify i would probably say is one of the best ones considering what they do and how easy it is to work with them yep and considering how little you pay especially when your volume is pretty low once they once you get into them taking a percentage of your revenue then they end up definitely like they make money on us oh yeah but they do a lot of work we don't exist without them and hiring a development team to do all the things that shopify does for us we don't wanna yeah there that's the it's not efficient yes um we were we'd be better off

Starting point is 01:22:54 we'd be better off making modifications to shopify than than just trying to build our own thing from scratch and you got to consider like if you if you look at the the the service in a really really simplified vacuum it doesn't seem that hard and then you start looking through their dashboards yeah and then you start looking deeper in their dashboards look and then it's like look as someone who worked for an online retailer who didn't use shopify i will tell you. It's not better. Yeah. Tortuga said, uh, be careful with apps. Uh,

Starting point is 01:23:29 it can get expensive. So only use what you need while you grow. I agree. But some of the apps are also just like straight up free, um, or genuinely very low cost. And if you, if you look at the pricing model that they have,

Starting point is 01:23:41 you can kind of figure out how, how expensive it's going to be. I personally find a lot of the apps to be actually quite affordable for what they offer um that's easy for us to say though as a store that is has has got revenue every day no like genuinely i know yeah but but look if you're just starting out then i can definitely see how you could end up in a trap where you go oh well i can't possibly have a site without this and this and this that's almost certainly not true and you're underwater yeah you can you can start with no apps and you'll be completely fine uh because if you're if you're a store that's just barely starting out you probably don't need some of the fancier things that you can do with apps just wait until you

Starting point is 01:24:18 need it get it later but yeah it's good it's very good speaking of things that there's no way that you can wait until you need i am about to drive probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 to 500 floatplane subscribers oh whoa why do you know how i'm gonna do it no i'm gonna tell everyone that the legendary 100 success rate chicken recipe is up that's right luke made the 100% success chicken for Artie, who said it's pretty good. Yeah. He also did a video showing off his burbs. It was Luke week on Floatplane,

Starting point is 01:24:53 so the exclusives were all Luke-themed. Actually, not all Luke-themed. We've also got Emily's video taking a deeper dive into the prototype via Centaur AI-accelerated CPU, and I think this is from last week. So's mostly mostly luke themed but he also did his starfield slash gaming industry rant slash optimistic chat did you wait have you watched it how did you know that well because i i don't need i don't need to watch a video you host i know exactly what you're gonna say that's pretty funny because i was like there's there's i feel like there's no way he watched it I don't need to watch a video you host. I know exactly what you're going to say.

Starting point is 01:25:25 That's pretty funny. Because I was like, I feel like there's no way he watched it. But then you accurately described it better than anyone else has. So I was like, how does this make any sense? Also, I read comments. One of the funny things on it. That makes sense. One of the funny things on that is, you know, haven't wrote a video in six or seven years.

Starting point is 01:25:44 Oh, yeah. I thought it was going to be like nine minutes long four minutes oh wow very fast man that's amazing get luke to talk about starfield and the gaming industry and he wraps it up in four minutes and 11 seconds have him talk about his birds and it takes him 20 minutes and there's an an extra minute and a half long clip that I added at the end. That's hilarious. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and chicken. Chicken also takes 20 minutes.

Starting point is 01:26:10 So the Starfield video was longer. I made it shorter because I thought it was too long. I think what got me was I mentally compared it to how long the documents were that I would write for scripts back in the day. And I think, I don't know, font or format or something must have been different, like paragraph spacing or font or something. So it up being like half as long that's because it was like a page and a half it's like how the heck did it come out to

Starting point is 01:26:33 four minutes and 11 seconds i think it has some good content in it but i don't know nickel plane asking the big questions what do your birds think of you cooking other birds uh they don't seem to mind i eat chicken in front of them yeah okay and that doesn't bother them effectively every day okay all right don't seem to care what if you ate like uh something more closely related what if you ate a cockatiel in front of them that might that might be a bit of an issue i might not go over super raw wow like would that would they recognize like he is eating a bird i think so you think so they're pretty are they that smart like if you ate a budgie if you ozzy osbourne a budgie i think like right in front of them pretty

Starting point is 01:27:17 upset yeah i think that would be dan got the reference i know i know yeah yeah i just mean was that actually real did that like actually happen oh yeah the bat oh yeah guys guys have whacked guys have whacked job that's wild um yeah some some people are asking for a state of gaming part two i don't know i feel like i kind of like owe people another one but i can't do it on the same topic because i made that one really dense i guess but it has basically everything in it like the video is actually fine being as long as it is it just doesn't have any filler oh apparently ozzy thought it was a prop but he was like so ripped out of his skull on drugs that he didn't notice they handed him a live one wow uh that's kind of brutal actually we've all been

Starting point is 01:28:05 there pretty gross so that's where covid came from yeah it's just a little delayed yeah it was just uh it was just quarantined in his system by like all the other wild things going on in there for 25 years or however long it was there was some jokes that of the lukeweek exclusive content there was um four minutes of video games and 40 minutes of birds yeah because of chicken and and budgies i mean that makes perfect sense uh all right anyway yeah good week on floatplane okay dan want to hit us with another merch message sure good evening lld i was interested in the duvet that was briefly talked about a year-ish ago any updates or has it been crushed um dead yeah we

Starting point is 01:28:51 actually still have literally a hundred thousand dollars in alpaca wool i heard about this yeah so um we do need to find something anyone has any bright ideas yeah if you do you want an alpaca something i mean maybe we should just make a life-size alpaca plush and then just stuff it with alpaca wool and call it a day we did merino underwear what about alpaca underwear well the problem is that it's loose wool because it was meant to be used as pillow stuffing so we would actually have to get it like like machine it yeah we'd have to get it i don't know yarn turned into whatever whatever the weaving or process or whatever that is what if you made like whale plushies and then just made them incredibly expensive because they're filled with

Starting point is 01:29:29 alpaca wool i mean it's a it's a possibility yeah we could do whale plushies we could do uh we could do a bread saurus plushie and just it's yeah it's like sorry it's a hundred dollars because it's full of alpaca wool uh and also it smells for the first three days because it's full of alpaca wool. Like, I don't know. I don't know what to do with it. Alpaca edition screwdriver just comes with just like a bushel of alpaca wool in the box. Like, I don't know. Yeah, it's just premium packaging. It doesn't make the screwdriver better in any way.

Starting point is 01:30:01 Yeah, we've had it for like three years. Apparently it's been stored in a dry place. So it's like fine it should be fine but we do really need to just put storage on that apparently somehow no yeah which surprised me a lot because i i don't know how much it caught like i don't know how much wool that is yeah but that sounds like a lot of money to me and so like has alpaca wool gone up in value like is this an appreciating asset yeah are you just trading commodities this is one of my largest personal investments do i need to disclose this move over gold yeah we've got animal we're gonna put option puts on alpaca

Starting point is 01:30:45 back a fiber market oh no hold on i'm just i'm just checking what are the what are the trends uh increasing popularity in the fashion apparel industry i got pork futures that's a good that's a good one for you show me crazy show me a graph show me a graph i need a graph. Show me a graph. I need a graph. Someone needs to short Linus's alpaca wool. Not financial advice. Gamma squeeze it. Hat? Okay, you don't have to spam that much.

Starting point is 01:31:12 Relax. I don't want an alpaca wool hat. No, I don't think I need it. I don't know if anyone wants that. Okay, here's the market size. I don't know what we have, but I suspect it's somewhere in the medium range. I don't think what we have but i suspect it's somewhere in the medium range i don't think

Starting point is 01:31:26 it's uh particularly fine fibers uh where's show me the price show me the bloody price okay i give up that was as much time as i'm willing to invest into that right now all right hit me dan hey wan crew i'm in the process of joining the u.S. Navy to be a cyber warfare technician. Did y'all ever think about doing some kind of cyber tech work in the military or government space? Big fan. I think I've thought about doing everything one could imagine. So I don't know how fair it is to say. How'd you end up here?

Starting point is 01:32:02 Mostly accident. I was just like up late and saw this video and was like oh i'll do that let me let me put my uh computer on this railway you tell me how that works man um yeah i don't know it's it's like sounds i think i think for a lot of people myself included it sounds really cool. And then you start doing stuff in that space and you're like, whoa, this is really hard. Right. So, yeah. As for me, no.

Starting point is 01:32:35 No. I just really like computers. Yep. And my career path had already diverged. They wouldn't let me be a technician at ncix did i ever tell you that no so it wasn't because of lack of certification or anything like that it was i i wasn't the most experienced that's fine i could see how they could be concerned about the optics of that but it had nothing to do with skill level um i was just too good at selling

Starting point is 01:33:02 oh they wanted me in the front. I was like, I, I would like to, I would like to just work in the back. So I would just, I would just hang out in the back and talk to the, to the tech at the Langley store. His name was Andrew. He was sick.

Starting point is 01:33:13 Yeah. Guy was awesome. He was like, he was one of those guys that just like, well, computer tech, just zero fucks given. Um,

Starting point is 01:33:21 I think I remember this dude. Yeah. Super nice guy. Um, he's kind of ginger. i recall correctly i hardly so i didn't require his services but i would like stand there waiting to pick up one of my orders or whatever and the text would come out and work with people and i remember just like listening in yeah but he was chill he was awesome uh anyway yeah they wouldn't uh they they they wouldn't let me just so I'd go back there and hang out with them.

Starting point is 01:33:45 And the only reason that no one would get mad at me for it was because like my sales were higher than anyone else in the store anyway, in spite of the fact that I was just like shooting the breeze with the technician a lot of the time. Because realistically, everything I was talking about was kind of on task, right? Like honestly, how much better would Best Buy be?

Starting point is 01:34:04 Okay, let's not use Best Buy as an example. How much better would your local computer store be if the sales reps spent a tenth of their time just talking to the technicians? Yeah, yeah, probably. I mean, I'm going to use Best Buy anyways. The Best Buy that I used to work at, our computer sales crew and our

Starting point is 01:34:25 geek squad crew when i worked there were actually pretty well linked and we did super well and i think it made sense because our team was like all quite competent no it makes it makes a ton of sense because otherwise how are you gonna know what to sell unless you know what comes back yeah our store was like one of the worst in canada or something and by the time we were done we were like number one or number two in Canada. And I, we had a just fairly significant roster change and everybody was just real into it.

Starting point is 01:34:52 And it's, it's a lot easier to sell things when you like know what you're talking about and are passionate. Yeah. Cause most people are like, okay, cool. I hear what you're saying.

Starting point is 01:34:59 Everything that you're saying makes sense. You have me interested in this thing because listening to passionate people is just interesting for most people. Exactly. and it works all right what do you want to do for a topic do we want to pick a oh you want to do sponsors dang it dan no they deserve a topic they should have a topic yeah dan gosh how about meta says no more spam unless it's ai spam okay yeah i don't know what the heck's going on with this meta says that they will be changing the recommendation algorithm for instagram and threads so that they will no longer recommend reposts and ripped off content which the company says will give more visibility to creators of original content and when you

Starting point is 01:35:41 listen to people who actually liked facebook at some point talk about facebook and its decline what they talk about i've found more than anything else is missing the days when it was actual updates from people they are first first order connected to single degree of separation connected to um and and and interacting with those people. And it's just kind of turned into just an endless doom-scrolling pile of content farm, you know, video crap and reposts of stolen memes and all that kind of stuff. So I don't see anything in here about Facebook. No, okay, we'll get to that in a second. These platforms will also add labels to reposted content with a link back to the original creator that is super cool and that should just be kind of standard practice

Starting point is 01:36:29 i kind of love that this will not apply to content that has been significantly altered however like a work that is edited into a meme or given a new voiceover meanwhile it has become significantly harder to find original artist content on facebook as the platform has become flooded with unmarked AI content, much of which is bizarrely Jesus-themed. Meta platforms are likewise being flooded with tons of ads for NSFW AI girlfriends against Meta's own policies. According to Wired, at least 29,000 of these sexually suggestive ads have been published on Meta platforms. Meta's own AI has been acting oddly on Facebook, making weird unsolicited comments on posts, including one incident where it commented on a parenting group claiming to have a disabled yet gifted child. Meta has also added the AI chatbot to Instagram search, making it difficult to avoid interacting with these features.

Starting point is 01:37:24 I did notice that actually. Anyway, I want to, I just want to show you guys a couple of examples of this weird, oddly Jesus themed AI artwork. Here's one. Made it with my own hands. Thanks to everyone who appreciates this. And this is from account love God and God love you. What the,

Starting point is 01:37:47 what, what am I looking at here? And why does this have 46,000 interactions? Yeah. How much of this is bought activity? 46,000 interactions, but only 500 comments. Well,

Starting point is 01:37:58 no, that's an okay ratio. Yeah. Cause an interaction on Facebook is so low friction. Yeah, I guess this, this may legitimately be actual people that are like yes shrimp jesus well the next one the next one has

Starting point is 01:38:12 185 000 interactions love from love father and mother bless you made it with my own hands thanks to everyone who appreciates this they're doing the made it with my own hands thing and both of these accounts after the amber sand they don't have a space i think this is the same thing oh yeah wow thank you professor luke no problem you he you played spot the ai you won no i mean like i think it's literally the same like person behind it yeah yeah yeah but i why i don't think an ai would just not put a space in the name like i think somebody actually just named this themselves an ai would just not put a space in the name like i think somebody actually just named this themselves yeah it's just a generating photos yeah that could that could very well be because i i mean yeah there's no there's probably tools to like mass create accounts but surely you would have to

Starting point is 01:38:54 you would have to approve it's just i i don't think this is one of those mistakes that an ai would even make though yeah it would put a space after the Amber Sand. You know, that's something I've started noticing a lot lately is like when something is bad, it almost, it almost makes me, it almost makes me feel like, Oh, this is real. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:16 Cause there's just absolutely no reason to make an error like that anymore. exactly. Um, I'm like, why did it happen twice?

Starting point is 01:39:24 Yeah. The big question here though is who's the sniper what oh what do they have against jesus i'm sure that's just the ai not really understanding that that's actually like supposed to be a window or something and it's just like ah sure why not we'll put that there um i don't know our discussion question is how big of a threat is out of control spam for companies like that enormous well hold on a second because it's not like the lowest common denominator that are unironically interacting

Starting point is 01:39:56 with this stuff can even tell the difference so why does it matter like for for their user base what difference does it make but i think the whole, like, what is it? Daniel, no, is it fake internet theory? What is it? Dead internet theory. Dead internet theory. Or dead mall. Oh, this is hilarious. Okay, no, this totally makes sense.

Starting point is 01:40:13 Yeah, Floatplane Chat figured it out. It's adapted for modern times. He didn't get crucified. It was firing squad. But that's what they're representing. Thanks, Floatplane Chat. it was firing squad but that that's what they're representing thanks full plane chat you guys got this sorted out to be clear to be to be clear to be clear okay regardless of regardless of alignment this kind of thing is obviously ridiculous and that's the reason that i'm making light of it because it's just clearly silly. This poor man.

Starting point is 01:40:46 I know. Is it hard? Sometimes. Is it hard? It's usually fine, but sometimes. Is it hard, Luke? Right now. Why did the right now make me understand?

Starting point is 01:41:02 I don't know. Made you think think about it this is bad though like twitter is is just overran by bots oh my i it's actually wild okay anyone who claims to not be able to accidentally find pornographic material on twitter you are an actual liar or your bar for what is considered pornography is extremely high um i was just i was just looking at there's ads now that are like i was looking at the yard um post that the the episode that i that i was a guest on was up and man i wanted to see what the hidden for offensive content comments were. And one of them was just from someone very confused, uh, which was kind of funny. And I, I do read those comments sometimes. And then one of them was guys, don't, if you're at work, do not, do not unhide any,

Starting point is 01:41:59 any hidden comments on that. Cause it's, yeah, it's very definitely above your bar, whatever your bar is twitter is twitter's brutal yeah i don't even know i don't even know what to make of it at this point like at what point can we not ask our staff to be on a platform as part of their work interesting like do we have to basically create a policy at this point if this gets any worse do we tell the social team okay look um you guys can post on this you can decide to not if you but realistically um we advise against consuming any content on this platform at work you can't or even you can't like we can't we can't tell people yeah go ahead find porn like view pornography at work that's not

Starting point is 01:42:45 that's not okay i saw one during the show oh dan don't tell me that i mean it's a problem is it not okay if the employee's okay with it is it not okay yeah i'm pretty sure it's not okay i don't think it matters because it all comes back to that question of like the power dynamic. So even if, even if they're okay, right? Even if they're okay, the fact that I told them to do it might put pressure on them to be okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:43:15 And then even if they say it's okay, they might come back later and, and retroactively decide it wasn't okay. So we almost have to get out ahead of it, right? If you don't tell them to do it if you say like we would like posts on instagram but if if anyone's uncomfortable with that you don't have or uh twitter but if anyone's uncomfortable that you don't have to do it and that doesn't and not

Starting point is 01:43:33 everyone's in a in a private office too right like that doesn't account for if anyone's walking behind their desk and someone's just banging on their screen yeah right like we can't we can't ask people to be subjected to that so we i mean i i we should raise this next week like an exec meeting like should we have a serious discussion about whether twitter is a site that is allowed to be accessed on our network even there's probably a there's probably a way to offer the like it team to block all the images that's on twitter i mean i'd be i'd be interested in that as a solution yeah how to how to how to safer work your twitter account dude this is ridiculous it is it is actually genuinely getting like the fact that we even have to have this conversation and and you

Starting point is 01:44:16 know what we might not we might not do anything with it we might kind of go the team might come back and say like look yeah if you don't dig into the show offensive replies and if we don't go on to any trends like if we just kind of stay on our own replies it's fine yeah yeah the trends man you like i'll also get it in my in the whatever the mixed news feed is if i look at just my notifications or whatever that section's called like things that are directed towards me it's generally fine my mentions are generally fine yeah not always but not always yeah um but but usually vast majority of the time it's okay but if i look at the the full mixed feed it's like pretty high percentage yep walmart comes to oh wait no sponsors all right i'll do it i'm doing it dan fine dan the show is brought to you today by

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Starting point is 01:47:53 to talk about my face your hair's coming back in my your uh beard oh i just uh i didn't shave this morning i shaved last night so this is a fun one that facial treatment that i did apparently it stimulates hair growth oh so my beard's been like if i don't shave for like 36 hours like i look like a mountain man are you just gonna let it go uh oh no i am but i know i gotta finish my paint job oh yeah my so my motorbike paint job got kind of interrupted by proof's car paint job which by the way have you seen now yes he pulled into work what do you think it's not as striking as the you know you know what hot pink i kind of i kind of got cold feet and i wanted it to look cool it looks pretty cool instead of just like an acid trip yeah it's not the acid trip of the original no the original it's pretty cool but it's it's cool i reviewed the video. No, it's pretty cool. But it's cool.

Starting point is 01:48:45 I reviewed the video, by the way, right before WAN show. It's great. It's significantly more like, you know, livable than the first one. Man, his car is like sick. And I love the way that Alex framed the intro. So we added better headlights, acoustic dampening. We added power locks, power windows. And we did all of those upgrades for less

Starting point is 01:49:07 than the price of a single monthly payment on a brand new civic whoa yeah i thought that was such a cool way to frame it wow that is a really cool way to frame it yeah and we and we pulled it off interested in that yeah that's awesome yeah good job the paint job was several payments but don't worry about that that was that was gratis but you don't have to pay that was for fun yeah yeah exactly exactly that part was just for lols uh ton of fun and i learned a lot uh we used a high build primer by accident i it's one of those things where like i wouldn't have bought that one but I could have saved it by doing some research and using some reducer in it, which I had on hand.

Starting point is 01:49:49 But I was just like, I mean, probably this will be fine. And I started spraying it. And that's why it has that like texture to it because my gun is rated for maximum nine PSI and that high build primer wants 20 PSI. So basically it didn't completely atomize and it just like blew chunks at the car. So, okay.

Starting point is 01:50:09 So you're still shaving because you need the mask to make a seal. Yeah, yeah. So that my like organic filter mask is still good while I'm finishing up my bike. I'm going to do a bunch of color tests this weekend. I'm really excited about that. So I've got a bunch of different variations

Starting point is 01:50:22 of undercoat, mid coat, and then top coats and effects and stuff like that. And I've got a bunch of different variations of undercoat, mid coat, and then top coats and effects and stuff like that. And I've got an order of speed shapes I got from AliExpress for like $2. So speed shapes are basically things like this. And they just have like kind of contours like a car. So you can paint them and then kind of see what it looks like from different angles. Got it. I'm going to get that done and I'm just going to settle on a bloody color and

Starting point is 01:50:42 get this thing done. Even though we haven't really quite gotten to the level of vibrant pink that I would like. I'm just going to have to kind of live with it and get it done. I want to ride it this season, darn it. Other than that, I didn't have a particular topic we could talk about. Oh, we're supposed to do merge messages. Oh. Never mind.

Starting point is 01:51:01 Hit us, Dan. You don't have to. Can you pick one, Luke? You're so antagonistic. Fine, Dan. I'm going gonna run to the washroom real quick i'll be right back all right we'll get one for luke yeah uh question for luke yes if you got offered a job at from nasa or a similar dream job right when linus leaves

Starting point is 01:51:18 would you leave lmg and move to the u.s for it? I'd be really tempted, but as of right now I don't think I could. I feel too much direct responsibility to certain teams, certain people here, stuff like that. I don't know if that would ever necessarily change. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But I would

Starting point is 01:51:40 be extremely flattered, I'd say that much. I'd be a little bit confused as to what NASA would want to do with me. But I'd be interested. Yeah, that's it. Maybe a boring answer. Greetings, LLD. I'm watching Floatplane from an airplane.

Starting point is 01:52:00 Sick. Luke, what processes do you have in place to help your development teams actually accurately forecast delivery timelines any any implementation tips i'm gonna say no oops uh sorry what was the last what was the last line any implementation tips tips. Implementation. Good luck, James. Have fun. So, yeah, welcome to the world of developer timelines. They don't work.

Starting point is 01:52:36 It's like the whose line is it anyways points. They don't matter. They don't exist. They're made up. They're made up. you start getting used to different people on your team and like how good like that person is at estimating time some teams can find um systems like they'll they'll start like point scoring things and a lot of teams will use different uh types of point scoring that they

Starting point is 01:53:05 can have people saying scrum for them and yeah good luck that doesn't i i don't find personally that that scrum actually helps you there's a lot of issues with scrum in my opinion but i don't i don't actually find that scrum itself helps you estimate actual completion time of large projects that need multiple scrums to actually like be completed like maybe and and i mean you estimating the amount of time that it's going to take at the beginning of the project because some people will cheat and be like well we know how much we can do roughly every two weeks and then that's slightly inaccurate every time so by the end the assumption we made at the beginning is really wrong but our assumptions along the way

Starting point is 01:53:39 were pretty good so therefore we did a good job and it's like well no because we're talking about the assumption made at the beginning compared to what the reality was at the end of it anyways um but you can you can do like the best one that i've heard of is when teams start looking at jobs and they do a point scoring thing so they try to assume the amount of like blocks of time that something will take so they don't do it by hour they do it by like half day or full day or something like that. And they use that as project estimating. And then they review that after every project that they do to try to help themselves get more and more accurate over time. That is helpful for teams that often do at least somewhat similar things. If you're constantly doing very, very different things all the time, it's still going to be

Starting point is 01:54:25 really tough to estimate. I've actually found that I'm more successful when I just get used to roughly how inaccurate individuals are and then don't actually coach them on doing it at all and just have them keep doing their estimates as they have been and then buffer custom amounts per person. And then I found that's actually pretty good. I'm pretty accurate that way. As a blanket rule, I always add either 2x or two weeks, whichever one feels more correct for the situation, add two weeks to it or double the amount of time that developer says they think it'll take. A lot of developers are a little bit overconfident, um, or don't necessarily fully

Starting point is 01:55:09 consider testing time, uh, different things like that, needing to go back and refine things or whatever else. Um, so just give them a little bit of extra time because you don't want them to, you don't want the blow of like,'s late we need it now when they actually just want to do a good job um yeah so someone in philippine chapter said as a dev i always feel bad when i underestimate time exactly so if you're leading devs try to set them up for success by hopefully putting them in a situation where that's not really going to happen by buffering for them one of the best ways to do this is not actually share the full communication with either end. Don't tell the devs that you buffered extra

Starting point is 01:55:52 time for them until they run out of time. And don't tell the people that you're agreeing to do the project for that you buffered any time, just tell them the buffered amount. And then you end up delivering a little bit early. And then when the dev ran out of time, you can magically give them extra time. And then everyone on each end is happy and you just, it's all fine. So basically your career advice is live through your, oh.

Starting point is 01:56:15 So basically your career advice is live through your team. No, it's just correctly estimate and know the people that you're working with. I see. Yeah. All right. Hit me, is there one for me or are you guys done? Yeah, sure. I see. Yeah. All right. Hit me. Is there one for me or are you guys done?

Starting point is 01:56:28 Yeah, sure. I got one for you here. Thanks, Dan. Let's see. Did you obtain any patents for your cable management designs or did you figure that if they get ripped off, it'll likely happen in China where all bets are off and decide not to bother? It's a combination of things.

Starting point is 01:56:44 One, that second thing you said. Yeah, I mean, realistically, what are we going to bother um it's a combination of things one that second thing you said yeah i mean realistically what are we going to do go after a chinese company they don't care their government doesn't care um they only care when chinese companies get ripped off it's actually really interesting the double standards that exist in the eyes of the chinese government um so realistically we're not really yeah we don't really think there's going to be any defense against that anyway. Um, number two, I don't think there's anything particularly patentable about it. It's a, it's a magnet attached to a piece of plastic. Like if we, if we had anything particularly novel about it, um, if anything, I think we'd

Starting point is 01:57:19 be better off. It can make it better. I know. Yeah. But if there was anything that made it better or was particularly novel about it i think we'd actually be better off just not mentioning it yeah because then their product might not do as well whereas if you patent something you have to like include drawings and stuff of like how you do it which i'd rather just not do if we had anything about it that made it

Starting point is 01:57:40 special uh and number three is a big part of what makes the cost of our products so high is the raw material cost of the neodymium magnets so with that in mind if you were to make a knockoff where are you saving your money exactly you could i mean we already had the molding done in china we already have the plastics shot in china we're already buying neodymium from a supplier in China. So, okay, Chinese knockoff company, what exactly is your advantage going to be here? You're going to do all the same things as us. And so if you build it to the same level of quality

Starting point is 01:58:18 with the same amount of raw neodymium in it, your price is going to be high. So what they're going to do, inevitably, you can mark my words on this, what they're going to do is they're going to cheap out on the neodymium in it your price is going to be high so what they're going to do inevitably you can mark my words on this what they're going to do is they're going to cheap out on the neodymium it won't hold as well and they wouldn't even if if we did have something special that we did to make it better they won't figure that out they won't notice they won't care because all people ordering online are going to see is that it's the same shape and it has a magnet in it they're not going to know how deep the magnet goes and so those magnets are going to see is that it's the same shape and it has a magnet in it. They're not going to know how deep the magnet goes. And so those magnets are going to break

Starting point is 01:58:47 more easily. They're not going to hold as well. People are going to get it. They're going to find out that it sucks. And then if anything, it's just marketing for our products because ours is the real one. Ours is the good one. So we didn't really see the point because it's a really great product and it's quality and it's selling really great really great so yeah we'll see how it goes in the longer term but no i'm really not that worried about it the only way to compete with us on price is to make a crappier product good luck with that got him you want to do luke i don't know man let's get these uh main topics out of the way just to make sure ai powered race cars kind of suck so far the abu dhabi autonomous racing league the world's

Starting point is 01:59:34 first racing league featuring self-driving formula race cars held two races this weekend the first featured only self-driving race cars while the second had self-driving cars compete against human drivers. Okay, that's interesting. The qualifying time trials prior to the race wound up being chaotic, with the automatic race cars struggling to finish a lap and occasionally randomly jerking as if dodging an invisible obstruction. That's actually weird. Multiple cars spun out and at least one hit a wall. Did they not test this at all? Here's from the article. Here's from the article on the verge. Uh,

Starting point is 02:00:12 watch this car. Whoa. Hey, how are you doing? Um, huh? This is great. Hold on.

Starting point is 02:00:21 You're about to watch a car turn into a wall. I think. Yeah. This is great. Hold on. You're about to watch a car turn into a wall, I think. Yeah, but... Lies. That car is still a car. It didn't turn into a wall. Oh, my goodness. Misleading.

Starting point is 02:00:34 Misleading the verge. Misleading. Bad content. The qualifying... Sorry. During the race, the leading car spun out. The second car passed, but an official threw a yellow flag the other cars got confused and stopped behind the stalled car as during a caution lap cars are not allowed

Starting point is 02:00:52 to pass each other the autonomous cars were slow especially around corners and seemed to get confused by the smoke from other vehicles oh one car misjudged another car's braking and rear-ended it this sounds like a very expensive hobby yeah yeah jif keeper over on uh in the verge's comment says people only watch f1 for when things go wrong so i don't see anything bad about this stonks dude they're gonna make so much money so many things wrong with this. So many layers. That's amazing. All of the sponsors are just insurance companies.

Starting point is 02:01:36 There's a lot of AI-driven cars on the road. This could be you. What you're watching right now. Injured by a Tesla? All the traditional automakers. All the traditional automakers who have paused their investments in autonomous driving just putting it all into this to make like tesla look bad make people scared oh that's so funny this is amazing uh i think that's mostly it there's some discussion questions what's the likely difference between programming a car to navigate a city versus programming it to complete a race?

Starting point is 02:02:06 Honestly, I don't know enough about this to really comment on that. But for me, it's not necessarily the... Because the predictability of the track, theoretically, is a huge... Should be very high. Huge advantage, even if you are using machine vision, which you would have to be doing in order to avoid obstacles or other vehicles. Knowing the basic parameters is an enormous advantage however the speed at which things are happening and the relatively

Starting point is 02:02:35 speaking lack of clear rules like on a on a public street this sign means everyone should behave in in this predictable manner whereas on this track oh i see okay it's well get there first yeah right and obviously they're going to program in some rules because they don't want their expensive machines to just get exploded randomly turn and drive into walls but i mean we've absolutely speaking of randomly turning to the left and driving into walls, let's, yeah, this thing. Like, racing all comes down to, you know, your risk to reward tolerance, right? So this is one of the most, I'm not into racing, but this is one of the most amazing moments in race history.

Starting point is 02:03:22 What is this? Your game move? Yeah, hold on, let me see if i can find the so buddy's way behind uh hold on where's my oh man where's my retention sick thing yeah someone did this in real life yeah someone did it so he goes around the outside of the track at ripping speed and ends up yeah ends up advancing just like that's so scraping along the edge that is so sick yeah i'm trying to man did he do this because of some form of malfunction or did he just do this with a fully working car no man he was just behind he just went for it and he's like yeah i'm i'm just gonna send it um man there's a way better view of it though okay hold on hold on here it is here it is here it is so you can see him on the outside there i'm surprised there's a way better view of this but it worked shockingly

Starting point is 02:04:15 well man why is why is this video trash well anyway yeah i can't find it but uh yeah unbelievable apparently it's now banned yeah it makes sense hate for anything interesting to happen in all seriousness though that is crazy dangerous and nobody should be doing that okay here we go here we go here we've got this is a dash cam here's a dash cam yes on that one dan look at him go see you later buddy wow so even with all the friction yeah passes like six cars in the corner wow yeah absolutely wild but like i don't know man like a machine can't run that risk how's it gonna make that decision how's it gonna be creatively like that very few people do that i think that's true he apparently pulled eight g's wow wow i wonder what kind of chances there were for him to just like break his car doing that laws earth says i'm a fan and watched it live he literally just tried a video game move like he used on playstation

Starting point is 02:05:28 not helping not helping anything um all right what else we got here uh uk bans bad passwords updated its telecommunications security legislation to ban easily guessable default passwords. Now manufacturers will need to ensure their devices come up with a randomly generated password or that they can generate a random password upon setup. Oh, default passwords cannot reference easy. Okay. They ban bad default passwords. that makes a decent amount of sense default passwords cannot reference easily discoverable information like wi-fi ssids and they cannot be incremental versions of each other i.e password one password two okay neat

Starting point is 02:06:19 so i would just like to say that i kind of hate this. Why? As a technical user, I really like it when my default password for everything that brand is just admin admin, because often I am resetting something multiple times and going back and referring to the 14 character, random characters, uppercase, lowercase, special character thing and entering that on my stupid phone because my laptop that

Starting point is 02:06:46 i'm using on site today is out of battery like i can understand how it's annoying situations where this will be extremely annoying for me but it is 100 yes the right thing to do yeah yeah it'll be annoying for probably a lot of the people watching right now. Literally dozens of us will be infuriated by this. But it's better for the whole. But it's, well, here's my problem, though, is a lot of devices are only ever going to be set up by a professional. Nah. Nah.

Starting point is 02:07:19 Like a server or something. Come on. Like ubiquity equipment. No casual is going to set up a ubiquity access yeah but i think the ubiquity access points are going to be a pretty small percentage of these things i think they're talking about like wi-fi routers and stuff but what about me i mean an access point is basically a wi-fi router you know i would be okay with it with the idea that this only applied to consumer

Starting point is 02:07:46 electronics actually if it didn't apply to like enterprise grade stuff i'd be fine with that personally yeah screw it you should probably set your stuff up properly whatever yeah yeah i i won't do it that way but that would be fine i i would be i would be so much happier with that but no you're right they probably won't do it another thing that i know you're really happy about is that walmart has come to roblox walmart is piloting a store on roblox where players can buy a physical item alongside its digital in-game twin the walmart discovered experience is currently only available in the u.S. Children over 13 can make purchases so long if they've verified their age by sending Roblox

Starting point is 02:08:28 a picture of their government-issued ID as well as adding their name, address, and credit card information to the Roblox-based Walmart store. Walmart previously attempted to appeal to children through Roblox by adding two previous experiences, Walmart Land and Walmart's Universe of Play of play however this was met with backlash as walmart failed to properly disclose that these games uh were also advertisements that was really loud through the mic by the way so the

Starting point is 02:08:57 reason i oh sorry so the reason i brought my phone up just now was to check if i still had the notification for it because i was going to show you my son requested to install roblox earlier this week look look i the two he's done both of them now i approved fortnight two weeks ago which he's been enjoying a lot i i had the i had the i had the microtransaction conversation with him again i was like i was like look okay you're gonna see a lot of your friends are going to have a lot of paid items and skins and stuff in this game. Okay, what are they? He's like, suckers.

Starting point is 02:09:36 And I'm like, good, good boy. I don't know how long that'll last, but boy, am I ever going to try and keep that mentality. Because to be clear, guys, what I'm doing right don't i don't actually think that's necessarily true i think there's lots of good reasons that you could uh contribute towards a piece of software that you really enjoy developers need to be paid i'm not going to make that argument a lot of people have bad relationships with this the issue is that fortnite is designed to be a money-sucking machine, and it is designed to prey on people

Starting point is 02:10:08 who are either young and immature or who have an unhealthy relationship with these kinds of transactions. And so what I am doing is I am setting the bar here, right? Knowing that probably he will land here instead of, and this is, this is a hope, right? Like, I don't know if this parenting strategy works, but instead of setting the bar here and then, you know, oh dear Lord, you know, he fell down here. So I'm basically setting a very, very high level of expectations. So if we ever do spend money on a Fortnite skin or something like that,

Starting point is 02:10:47 the understanding will be that this is an exception. This is special. This is something very special. Merry Christmas. You got one skin or something along those lines. I think the only thing you risk with that is when they become free and they seek the thing that was restricted more, sometimes it can swoop way beyond.

Starting point is 02:11:08 I don't think it will in this case. His opinion on what games he liked used to be so incredibly based and now it is becoming not so and that makes me sad. Yeah, I know. But it's okay. That's fine. We'll draw him back into it i

Starting point is 02:11:25 still haven't shown him warcraft 3 kids are gonna kid sometimes oh yeah and and like realistically gaming is social that's true all his friends so if his friends are playing it it is what it is yeah 100 i agree i just it just sucks um one thing that i think is pretty funny about this walmart thing is i can pretty much guarantee you that somebody somewhere is going to complain that you have to buy a physical item in order to get a digital one which i think is so funny because we get comments complaining that you have to buy something from ltd store to get a merch message in because they would rather just send in money and receive nothing and i just think that's so crazy that i know someone is going to be

Starting point is 02:12:02 like i just wanted the digital headphones. I didn't want the real headphones. I wanted to play full headphone dollars for digital headphones, not real ones. That's going to happen. Someone's going to do it. I mean, in fairness, if they don't need another pair of headphones, I kind of see where they're coming from. Just give them to your friend or something. Or you could just not need the digital headphones, too.

Starting point is 02:12:23 That's also an option. That's a better idea. idea i mean this is really smart you got to give credit where it's due this is this is super smart they're definitely going to move some units um i just ah it's exhausting i think that's the only real word that i can use for it it's just exhausting like all the new and creative ways that we can be marketed to billions of dollars going into controlling your brain like dude there is there is so much stuff that's just like like obvious stuff that ltt store could do in order to sell more like immediately sell more like goofy stuff like when we did our when we did that video on sports tech so like tech that's branded with sports team logos and stuff like that man the site that runs most of that stuff in the u.s is just every stupid mind

Starting point is 02:13:12 game is front and center on their site like right now with only four hours left it's the ultimate sale big ball sale no it's not you're just gonna start a new sale like fake fake low stock information where they'll try to blast it like going out of business left two left yeah yeah man oh man what is it with mattress stores and being going out of business for like 10 years there's there's one on king george boulevard that the the going out of business signage is faded yeah like are you you're not kidding you're not fooling anybody what is this ltdstore.com and roblox i mean you know what i'd be i'd be down i'd be down to do like a wan hoodie that you can wear in your video game and also you get a you know real life wan hoodie or something like that i i don't i don't see that as inherently bad i'm just i'm

Starting point is 02:14:01 just kind of tired of having things shoved down my throat this hard. And it feels like a lot of people feel that way. Speaking of having ads shoved down your throat, I just thought this was kind of interesting. The judge in the U.S. Department of Justice's antitrust case against Google is currently hearing closing arguments as to whether Google's market dominance has harmed the quality of search. Spoiler, yes. The heart of the DOJ's case is Google's deals with various companies ensuring that Google search would be the default on their platforms,

Starting point is 02:14:36 in particular, Google's deal with Apple. A witness revealed during this trial that Google pays Apple 36% of its search advertising revenue from Safariari in order to remain the default search tool on the browser in just 2022 this deal resulted in google paying 20 billion dollars to apple android manufacturers typically get around 12 of this revenue for their own default agreements with google so one third as much um this is not news necessarily. So the closing arguments are happening now, but a lot of this has come out earlier. But one of the things that struck me

Starting point is 02:15:13 about this was that it is always interesting to me to see the shapes that Apple apologists, Apple loyalists, whatever you want to call them, fans, right? Fans. You shouldn't be a fan of anything. But that Apple fans will contort themselves into to frame Apple as a totally different kind of entity compared to the other big tech companies. And this one, this one, what stood out to me about this was um it reminded me of that conversation that we had a little while back about the vpn industry and how sort of you know how our comfort level is high enough to have vpn sponsors and talk about the benefits of vpn to our audience but our comfort level is not high enough to run our own VPN and personally say, no, I

Starting point is 02:16:06 understand that that IP is downloading illicit, harmful material. You know, it's affecting real people, you know, real miners. And we are not going to give you that person's information. That's just beyond Bind and Loose comfort zone. We're not going to say no to that. We're just not going to run a VPN because you can't have a VPN that just decides sometimes to disclose its users, um, activities and sometimes doesn't. Um, but what I, it reminded me of that conversation because I was looking at this going, how can

Starting point is 02:16:38 Apple and Apple's users look at each other, you know, across the table and and go i am so protective of your privacy i care so much about it that it is central to basically all my product messaging and for you to sit there and believe that while i am collecting 20 billion dollars a year yeah through Google's efforts to harvest your data and sell ads against that personalized collected data. I mean, Apple's conflict of interest here is so obvious and so clear and so brazen that I just, I don't know, I just, I find it, I find it exhausting that it isn't obvious to everyone else.

Starting point is 02:17:22 And I think that's become a bit of a problem for me. Like I end up with people looking at my takes and kind of going like, yeah, Linus, Linus hates Apple or he, or he hates this or, or he, you know, whatever, whatever he thinks about, about something. And I think part of it is, yeah, I'm, I'm just, I'm exhausted of having the same conversations over and over again. And, you know, I've, I've said, yeah, I'm just, I'm exhausted of having the same conversations over and over again. And, you know, I've said this before, and I guess I'll do it one more time. how much they're saving the planet as they actively send tens of thousands of working devices to uh to a destroyer like geep jeep however you pronounce it g e e p there was a whole lawsuit that apple i think ultimately dropped because they didn't like the publicity they were getting around pursuing these guys for ultimately not destroying this working hardware as a whole thing. This was a little while back.

Starting point is 02:18:27 I'm not just a hater. This is not hate. This is looking at the pieces in motion, looking at the actions they're taking and going, is this not obvious to everyone? Like you can still like Apple products, you can still buy a fucking iPhone. I don't care. That's your money. You do whatever you whatever you want to know what's happening but why why do you insist why do you insist on not seeing it for what it is and i just i don't know how to address it

Starting point is 02:18:58 like seeing seeing the the antitrust developments between the U.S. government and Apple and all the articles that are on sort of the usual news sites that kind of have that traditional article comment format. I read a lot of comments, not just on our own videos, not just on videos. A lot of the time I'll skim the article and I'll read the comments. I read a lot faster than I watch video, though, so I usually will just read an article because I'm a pretty fast reader. But going through the articles it's amazing even on communities where generally i have found that the readers are of above average savviness like ars technica i would say is an example of a site where generally speaking it's pretty hard to get upvoted if you're a complete idiot like it just

Starting point is 02:19:45 doesn't really happen compared to a site like uh like the verge is a more normie site but still reasonably savvy compared to um i don't know that that dumb one that we were showing all the ai comments on a little actually no that one wasn't bad um but anyway the point is i would say ars technica is one that has a pretty high high standard of viewership or readership and i was going through one of the articles on this and the number of people that were making the but but but my walled garden i love it better in here argument just blew me away then have your walled garden you can choose those options stay in it yeah it's okay you can close the door competition is good that is a universal truth and you will not be able to argue that point with any degree of success against anyone who isn't a complete npc

Starting point is 02:20:46 competition breeds innovation it just does and companies that are not forced to compete will abuse their okay let's not say monopolistic because that's that's a big part of the argument is you um apple isn't a monopoly they're not a monopoly look at that's a big part of the argument. Oh, Apple isn't a monopoly. They're not a monopoly. Look at that. You don't have to be a monopoly, mono. You don't have to be just one to engage in anti-competitive behavior. You can be a local, you could be a regional ISP that is stomping out even smaller competitors. You are still engaging in anti-competitive behavior, even if there's half a dozen other ISPs in the country. That's not the point, right? That there's just one. And it just

Starting point is 02:21:31 blows me away how polarizing this is and how emotional people's arguments are about it when I just don't get it. Don't be a fan. Don't be a fan of Apple. Don't be a fan of apple don't be a fan of intel or nvidia or microsoft or any of these companies i mean look at man look at the way the tech industry has handled layoffs lately have you have you seen the supercharger team layoffs there's like yeah tesla supercharger teams see you later oh nice knowing you um i always like going to that that website, layoffs.fyi. It's interesting. Yeah, here, I'm going to your laptop. Yeah. In 2024 alone, 279 tech companies have laid off 80,230 employees.

Starting point is 02:22:17 As soon as you're publicly traded, by definition, you can't have a soul. Yeah. Yeah, it's brutal. If you poke through this website for a while, you can, I don't know, I don't remember exactly how to do it. It's intuitive once you actually start using it, but there's a way to sort by type of company, because it shows fintechech companies all this other type of stuff in there but you can you can narrow it down to different specifics but it's it's a lot of people avon fox says if we don't want fans stop calling them team red team blue etc that's a good

Starting point is 02:22:58 point um and you know what that's one of the that's one of the sort of insidious subtle ways that um that that they do turn gamers against each other like as far as i remember amd started that whole team red thing i think so i think that was back in the bulldozer days when basically they didn't have any product worth buying and all they could count on was selling to fans and you know what this is tough right because if absolutely everybody bought only the objectively best product companies would just cease to exist the second monopolies instantly instantly and so the fact that the fact that you know people that i would no offense but like laugh at behind closed doors who are buying these like objectively worse products for the same price right like i i sorry i'm sorry but i think you're a clown if you know that one thing

Starting point is 02:23:51 is objectively better than the other one and you buy you buy the worst one because it has a brand you like on i'm sorry you're a clown i do think sometimes but they saved amd the fact that we have amd today is because absolute clowns were fans of a company and bought a brand instead of a product i was like you know what thank you thank you i actually enjoy living in clown world because if we had just intel i do i do i do think you're oversimplifying we still have four cores because some people just don't care enough we'd still have four cores so they're not going to do the research so it's just going to be on sale and they're like whatever i need a functioning computer i don't really care and you know what that's fine yeah that's fine and then other people

Starting point is 02:24:33 might have but i didn't talk about that other people might have subjective reasons why they're like or dislike something and other people might have reasons why they're doing an anything but purchasing i can address all of these okay all right okay so number one i wasn't talking about that out of ignorance i will absolutely buy the wrong brand of drill bit sure it happens i i don't have the time to research absolutely everything in my life and i understand that some people in fact i'm one of the people who talks about this all the time like we live in our little tech bubble where everything's obvious to us you know that this one is so much better than that one how could anybody possibly buy a a 4060 with only eight gigs of vram or you know whatever the thing we hate du jour is you know i

Starting point is 02:25:14 talk about that all the time how for most people it's as simple as walking into a retail store and buying whatever the rep hands then that happens to be within their price range i get that so i'm not talking about people who just just don't know and as for your second one i forget what it was it was good though it's really good okay so there was ignorance yeah there was oh just not caring preference i think it was no no that was the third one i thought the third one i can't put that figure the third one was anything but the anything but yes yeah okay so so the so the so the second one i'm sorry but i just i just don't accept it with a computer processor i can accept it with a water bottle because this is subjective we were talking about like everything though it

Starting point is 02:26:02 wasn't just cpus we're talking about okay but i'm specifically talking about tech products right now though and when it comes down to cpus there might still be preference because you might use a certain program or something that performs better in the other thing but that's fine that's still objective i'm just saying that a cpu is not a subjective purchase but that comes down to potentially two products still being relevant in those days it didn't i agree yeah no that no no that was that was clown days of amd there was you were if you if you paid full price for a bulldozer you were you were willfully ignorant basically yeah like those were those were bad you couldn't a rough time you couldn't look even glance at the introduction of a review and not know that it was not dark

Starting point is 02:26:41 times it was yeah that it was dark times back then it was it was a sad it was a sad time as for the anything but i get it there are definitely companies that i have taken a break from before but i also i also think that that's kind of a um like i know recently yeah that there are people that have taken risks with purchasing decisions, especially in the GPU department, because of some of the things that NVIDIA has done. I don't necessarily think that that's super wrong. And that's fair. But what I will say is don't get stuck in like a place of sort of blind hatred forever. Yeah. because outside of

Starting point is 02:27:26 you know very employees are going to turn over things outside of very senior leadership the company that you are buying from if you're buying an amd cpu today for example and i'm using amd as an example for a reason because they have had a significant amount of turnover in the last decade if you buy an amd cpu today you are effectively buying it from a completely different company oh yeah from who they were 10 especially like if you go back like 15 years ago 100 functionally it's like they're the company of theseus right like almost every working part has been replaced in that time a lot of companies are that way though so holding so holding grudges against a brand is is entirely silliness um you should absolutely consider anything they've done

Starting point is 02:28:14 recently and if they have a long history of absolutely evil behavior then that clearly is a deep-rooted cultural issue like i if someone someone were to say, look, I'll buy anything other than something made by Nestle. All right. Fair enough. Because, you know, whether you want to make an argument around, like, you know, the privileged position that they're in today at all is because of the awful behavior that they have paid zero reparations for, or whether you want to look at their more recent actions,

Starting point is 02:28:43 you'll have a strong argument for why you just shouldn't buy anything made by nestle but i think it'll be hard pressed to find a similar example in the tech space um nestle was a good call out though i like it yeah well they're just the most obviously evil company other than what maybe chiquita like i who's that that's the banana company oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah don't forget about the coke murders never forget the coca-cola murders there's some wild stuff in the food industry it's actually not yeah they literally don't even their defense was not even that they didn't do it it didn't happen here their defense was that it was not within the prosecution's jurisdiction you know what they did yes unfortunately there's also lays don't forget about the palm

Starting point is 02:29:35 oil industry in general like literally palm oil actually destroying entire nations sick but hey at least it's uh what was what was the argument for it was like lower calories healthier something natural something i forget i forget but yeah yeah yeah yeah sorry for bringing up palm oil it feels like some like portal stuff it's like it's lower calories for the ones who are still alive yeah exactly like dude it's this is one of those things where it's like i um i i am not about what about ism like what about ism is a super weak argument when someone says hey you did a bad thing and they point back and they go well what about what about what about there are valid cases for it yeah if someone is engaging in hypocrisy. There's nothing I think that I dislike more than hypocrisy.

Starting point is 02:30:25 Like if I'm calling out Luke for his, um, get me, I don't know his big nose. Perfect. Right. Actually, that's a bad example because it's an inherent trait. But my point was just that my nose is bigger than his. So if I were, if I were calling, oh, come on. I don't, I don't look at these things i genuinely don't literally royal i can't see myself on the deluxe i like to describe it as deluxe

Starting point is 02:30:51 nose prime yeah nice um or whatever it is if i am actively engaging in the same behavior or or the same behavior but worse that is absolutely a valid defense that is not what about ism that is you're being a f***ing hypocrite and you actually need to sort out your own s*** before you start talking about anyone else's yeah so that's a that's a completely different thing but you know in general i am not i'm not about what about ism but i also do think that in the gaming and in the tech industry we tend to we tend to end up with kind of tunnel vision on the things that are happening within our space you know i think i think a great example of this was the uh the principled technologies benchmarking

Starting point is 02:31:36 scandal from intel do you even remember this i do yeah basically someone at intel f***ed up some charts and they got published even though they were obviously not right and they caused a a very unfavorable comparison to AMD that was just obviously not right I looked at that whole situation I went yeah someone f***ed up there was issues everywhere and legal problem and whoever they are are high up enough that they can cover their butts. And they're trying to deal with it. They did a pretty bad job. And legal probably came in and said, look, if we say anything, we open ourselves up to a bunch of legal liability because we acknowledge the error, which would mean that AMD would

Starting point is 02:32:17 have grounds that we have effectively admitted that we are guilty of doing this. When in reality, it was probably just some dumb ass like on the marketing team that didn't realize that this was a problem um because i can i promise you none of the technical people i thought there was more stuff like a test bench hidden under a table and all these other things that no i don't remember maybe this was some other thing it was a small enough thing that it could have easily been coordinated by like one or two people who didn't who did who just i remember that part who were just dumb sure just plain dumb and way too and probably didn't listen to any of the smarter people who absolutely know better i mean that's the thing about

Starting point is 02:32:54 organizations as an organization can do something that was actually just a couple of complete idiots or just like a wicked miscommunication or a wicked miscommunication i don't think that one was a miscommunication i don't think so either i'm just saying i think it was a lot of ways for this i think it was someone with too much power and and who was arrogant and who didn't understand i think it was someone who's being paid more than their understanding of the technical details of the product is is what i will say um and you know the but the way that people kind of blew up about this and the kind of conspiracy theories that were spawned from it i was like look man you guys never heard of

Starting point is 02:33:39 hanlon's razor you know hanlon's razor obviously right i didn't know it was Hanlon yeah never never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity yeah it is Hanlon yeah yeah I know Hanlon's razor um and I never got anyone from intel to confirm my version of the story but what I did get was I got on a call where I said look tell you what how about this tell me that what I'm saying is wrong and I finished telling my story of how i kind of assumed it happened and then just no one really responded and then well this was one person that was talking to me off the record because they were just like you know look i just i don't want people thinking that our whole department is like evil people and they were basically just like well this has been a nice

Starting point is 02:34:25 call and i'll talk to you another time because it's it's just obvious if you understand the human elements that go into something like that it's easier to pick it apart because the the idea that anyone is organized enough to have coordinated that as like a as like a campaign i mean it's it's it's silly right like it's i think just while we're on it i think hanlon's razor has a dangerous side of it which is where you if you start overly making people innocent you make yourself very vulnerable because there is a lot of malice and that is true and you know what i have multiple times in my life ended up in a bad situation because i have a tendency to attribute to um misunderstanding as my default but you know what i just i just don't think i can live my life the other way

Starting point is 02:35:23 no i think i think And I'm usually right. I agree. And that's, you know, defaulting to malice, you're not going to have any friends and your life's going to suck. But you just do also have to be aware that there are malicious people out there. Absolutely.

Starting point is 02:35:36 And you can't just be blind to it forever. I want to show this real quick before we get off the topic by tangenting too hard somehow. That if you've heard all this and you know you still might be into the whole teaming thing you can uh you can jump on amdfanstore.com and get yourself some eight dollar amd team i don't know like red nose team nice in in the defense of the cycling

Starting point is 02:36:01 jersey i'm pretty sure uh intel has some jerseys as well, don't they? From something? Oh, probably. Yeah. Nice. They don't have that many products. A $50 waist pack? $60 waist pack, sorry.

Starting point is 02:36:19 I mean... They have quite a few products, actually. Do they have a gaming chair? Oh, wow. I was about to say, at least their worthless swag is priced like worthless swag like their uh their sunglasses were like 10 bucks but like man that uh i mean that's a tool backpack though that's not just amd that almost feels like they they produced a bunch of them for staff and they're just like making them available computer backpack i thought it was commuter

Starting point is 02:36:43 i don't know if you're gonna find the exact same one is it that second one oh no the zipper goes across like that oh is it that 12 custom uh okay well 12 of them for 1406 why is why is that staples promotional products nice laptop backpacks all right luke doing the real research here i want to find it is it an older model got an investigative journalist here luke luke luke luke come on let's cheer him on luke i don't think i'm gonna find it it's not here shop shop it's an older model shop all right that's fine i'm over it oh well i took away your screen sharing privileges that's fine yeah i didn't i didn't i didn't find i failed

Starting point is 02:37:31 i'm still looking i don't even remember what our topic was but basically don't be fans of like especially public companies yeah if you're gonna if you're gonna act like it personally just uh don't act like it publicly. I mean, I guess that's an option. Like there's been a... Speaking of companies you should not be a fan of. What now? Uh-oh. 55 bucks, eh?

Starting point is 02:37:57 Hmm. All right. Well, that's a good markup. Pretty solid. Solid markup. Oh, $40. $40 for a decorated sample, though though that's to order a sample they may do discounted samples so i don't i don't don't read too much into this that's true what does decorated sample mean well this is these guys are these guys are a printing

Starting point is 02:38:18 company so you you would order a custom one and look look, the minimum order quantity is 12. So they're expecting a volume order. So that may just be the price for a sample with the expectation that you will order a bunch and the pricing might be higher. So if you want backpacks for your team or something like that. Exactly. That's cool.

Starting point is 02:38:37 Speaking of companies you shouldn't be a fan of, YouTube has done a lot. Google has had overall an overwhelmingly positive impact on my life nice nice sorry sorry you are just determined you know what fine you do the show no you do the show nice oh okay i get it nice thank you for that sorry keep going youtube loves pause ads there i'm not even going to try and segue i give up now i don't even care anymore. For the past year, YouTube has been piloting ads that appear on smart TVs when playback is paused. Google presented the pilot as a success in their first quarter earnings call as a non-interruptive ad format that nonetheless had significant advertiser demand. Pause ads have likewise been rolled out by Roku.

Starting point is 02:39:27 demand pause ads have likewise been rolled out by roku here's an example of a youtube pause ad courtesy of techspot so the image of the show gets smaller and an ad pops up on the side oh snack break right around the corner probably fine to be honest really as a user if you're gonna have an ad somewhere this seems the least intrusive i don't like my ui moving around like i really don't like that when i go to pause something and then replay it i i really don't like my button to move um i think it wouldn't though realistically i'm not going to see it anyway though so i guess this is also yeah and if you if you're pressing do you would you generally press in the middle of the screen yeah because the middle of the screen here is still the player and you don't have to click on the play icon for it to play you just have to click on the player

Starting point is 02:40:09 this is true so it would still work i'm still mad there i mean i don't it's not like i like it to be clear i just think of yeah you're here first luke likes pause ads oh my goodness of all the things that they could do that's going to be a site very soon. Luke likes pause ads. Oh my goodness. Of all the things that they could do, That's going to be a site very soon. Luke likes pauseads.com. Should put them on Floatplane. No! No. See, he's already working on it.

Starting point is 02:40:34 That's why he says no, because now we're onto his devious plan to put pause ads on Floatplane. They're going to riot, Luke. They're going to riot. These are our most loyal customers. Why would you do that to them? What we are working on is getting official captions. So that'll be nice oh that's cool yeah like are

Starting point is 02:40:49 they like like machine learning generated whisper generated and then there will be an option for manual upload as well oh that's pretty cool yeah that's gonna save the social team a lot of work yeah are they the main driver of this uh they've definitely asked for it but i think we just we hit a bit of a milestone in regards to like site stuff so the the whole like angular to react upgrade thing finished and our new transcoding system is reinstated is instated is that a correct way of saying that i don't know whatever um both of those happen at a relatively similar period of time so like future development is bubbling again which is good sick all right yeah i think it's time for one show after dark nice have we done all the major topics uh major topics yes there are other ones oh there are google play celebrates sonic oh wait we didn't

Starting point is 02:41:37 talk about the rabbit r1 ah let's do it in the dark nice nice do you want me to do the sonic thing while you're doing that? Google Play celebrates Sonic, but gets every single fact wrong. Last Saturday, the official Google Play Twitter account posted a strange thread supposedly showing off the changes in Sonic the Hedgehog's design over the last 30 years. However, literally every post in the entire thread is incorrectly labeled and inaccurate. Each has been corrected with a community note. Some have suggested that the thread was generated using AI and posted without human oversight. However, Google has yet to either remove or address the thread despite widespread news coverage.

Starting point is 02:42:24 This is so weird. And like the image that they even put of Sonic looks AI generated? I don't know. Where's the shadow over his arm? This is Sonic as he appears in Sonic Boom. Never mind.

Starting point is 02:42:47 It's possible that Google Play have confused it for the game Sonic CD, which did release in 1993. The reason why I said that is because his hand here, which is placed on his hip, is not actually touching his hip. So I was like, maybe it's some AI stuff. Engagement bait. Engagement bait. Could be a shot from inside the...

Starting point is 02:43:01 I don't think so. I actually don't think so either. It's weird. I think it's weird i think it's just shockingly poor again hanlon's razor i think it's just shockingly poorly researched you don't you don't think it's ai stuff no i don't think so i think this is too wrong to be ai i don't think an ai would get everything wrong like like what some stuff what ai did they use for that yeah fair enough i don't think i believe that yeah all right u.s government adds foxes to ai henhouse thing whatever this means u.s homeland security has created a new artificial intelligence safety

Starting point is 02:43:37 and security board which is intended to meet once every financial quarter to discuss partial practical recommendations for the u.s government on how to best manage the threats posed by ai development yeah let's meet let's meet once a quarter nice no no this is great though the board has 23 members including sam altman of open ai sachin adela of microsoft sandar pichai of Alphabet, and Dario Amode of Anthropic, as well as Jensen Huang of NVIDIA. There are also representatives from Adobe, Amazon, AMD, Cisco, IBM, Delta Airlines, and Northrop Grumman.

Starting point is 02:44:16 This has led to criticism of the potential of regulatory capture and excessive industry influence. Seriously, your AI safety and security board is basically just made out of companies that profit from AI. So the U.S. Homeland Security has created a new artificial intelligence safety and security board,

Starting point is 02:44:35 also known as a pre-planned lobbying meeting that happens once a quarter so they can make ridiculous amounts of money. Also, I love that uh they have sam altman and satya nadella in the same meeting as if they're representing like two very distinctly different companies when it's like yeah yeah sure now there are other members mostly civil rights experts academics and politicians though there's the odd inclusion of vicky halab president and ceo of occidental petroleum an energy company that is interested in incorporating

Starting point is 02:45:10 ai just interested our discussion question is what is a good amount of industry involvement to have in these kinds of oversight recommendation bodies i mean obviously you have to have some because otherwise you watch the average politician try to talk about cutting edge technology and you you just about die right like it's what would you think about a rotating seat yeah i could see that being kind of interesting because i i could see being frustrated like if you're not one of the companies that gets selected but you're like trying to fight against some of these companies and then hearing different hearing different corporate voices from time to time means with how little these guys are aligned with each other on there's there's

Starting point is 02:45:49 certainly the opportunity to learn about their businesses without being unduly influenced by their businesses but this yeah this seems hilarious like just laughably one-sided um and good luck with that all right time for some merch messages yeah sure we got a few here for you oh this should be a good one to start on after dark hello wanda dll last night my fiancee almost puked her stomach out what was the situation where you were most worried about someone i'm waiting for my backpack to be shipped which variant i'll get childbirth yeah that makes sense um i was i was deeply worried yvonne's first labor was over 24 hours and it was uh it was it was a grueling ordeal neither of us slept um

Starting point is 02:46:40 and uh our first child was in the 99th percentile for head circumference. Have you ever seen Yvonne? I mean, I was on the Yard podcast, and I described her as good breeding stock. But that doesn't necessarily mean that she has 99th percentile head circumference hips. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:47:08 Um, so, so that was why that was, uh, that was why she ended up with the old, uh, on the first one. Thankfully she was able to,

Starting point is 02:47:17 to safely, when do you make this maybe too personal? I don't know. When do you make that call? Like, cause he's 24 hours. Uh, the baby's heartbeat started to drop

Starting point is 02:47:28 or the blood pressure, or maybe it goes up. I forget what it is, but basically. Some measurable metric. Baby was in distress and they hucked her on a gurney. And this is actually how she lost most of her jewelry because we put it all in a bag cause you're not supposed to wear jewelry during an operation. They couldn't get her engagement ring off her finger cause it was so swollen.

Starting point is 02:47:51 So fortunately we didn't lose that, but everything else I put into a bag and I left in the room and it was gone by the time we came back from the OR, which was really unfortunate. She had some really nice earrings and a necklace and stuff. That's frustrating. Yeah. I mean, it's fine. You know what? If she needs a new necklace, Han shout out, I'll get you a necklace this weekend. Just let me know like things went okay for us in life i mean it's fine you know what if she needs a new necklace hon shout out i'll get you a necklace this weekend just let me know like things went okay for us in life so it's fine but um you know there was a really nice pair of tanzanite earrings that she

Starting point is 02:48:14 had that were quite sentimental because they were like the first earrings i'd ever bought her and stuff like that so that really sucks but you know other than that it was mostly just just the the panic of like okay it, it's go time. Go now. We need to go do this. So do you like pre-approve that? Like if something goes wrong, we will do this thing? That wasn't an option.

Starting point is 02:48:34 Okay. Because just letting her die and letting the baby die could have impacted either of them. Got it. Having a, you know, at risk of this being very graphic having a deceased infant child inside you is like not good for mom either bad yeah yeah so like the whole thing the whole thing was was was very stressful and then our son was actually in the intensive care unit for almost the first week um because he wasn't eating like the the birthing process had been extremely exhausting for him as well um yeah that that first that that birthing process in that first week was like

Starting point is 02:49:12 was this a good call it was pretty stressful yeah sheesh yeah it was tough um i forget what the rest of the question was but i was worried about someone you've been he's ordered a backpack what variant is he going to get uh if we're out of stock then you'll get the new ones coming in stock which are the final underscore final v2 variant um otherwise you're getting what you're getting and then it'll have a virtual warranty for the second layer and we will definitely get you the upgraded carabiners once they are in stock and once they've shipped out to everyone who has already ordered.

Starting point is 02:49:50 So speaking of dead kids, what advice do you have in keeping kids safe online? I mean, you just, you got to talk to them. That's the only choice. That's what everyone says and that's the truth. If you're looking for another answer, I'm afraid you're not going to find it here, bucko. Hey, DLL picked up a windbreaker,

Starting point is 02:50:08 which I love, and have a couple questions about it. What are the small pockets inside the main pockets for, and why are they different sizes? Love the show. For all the sex you'll be having? What? They're wearing LTT store merch.

Starting point is 02:50:30 I don't know. I joking to uh like some of our little pockets as condom pockets because realistically they're not really useful we just really like putting pockets on things we think they're cool use it for an air tag you use it for like an airpod little holder thing yeah there's definitely stuff you can use it for. Yep. Some people put cards in them. Small battery bank. Yep. Ahoy, DLL. I noticed one of your recent videos had a generic voiceover correction, and I was wondering what are your thoughts on using synthesized AI voiceovers for scenarios like this? It's super convenient. Like when I'm traveling and I'm not around to shoot a pickup if they can just change a word with ai that's sick it's pretty sweet like realistically no job is getting

Starting point is 02:51:15 replaced right like the job of you know holding a holding a laptop running audacity or a little recorder thing and a mic under me is replaced by the job of you know entering the text in order to make that edit like like nothing's being replaced we're just doing it differently in a way that doesn't require me to come to set uh which is great love it you'll see more of it or wait you mean the generic one oh yeah i'm not as big of a fan of like tiktok voice style ones um but i think that the team likes to do it when they think it's funny and that's just like a kind of humor i don't really get but i you know what i i don't like to stand in the way of just like

Starting point is 02:51:56 silly little creative decisions like that on the weekend we went up to the stave lake power plant thing the you can do the tour pretty cool actually but um afterwards i was dragged into an antique shop and the person working at the antique shop was listening to a fully as far as i could tell fully ai generated biography on someone and i could tell the voice i could hear it so i could tell tell the second I heard the voice. I was like, oh, that's like one of those generic AI voice things. And I told everyone that was with me. And I kept listening to it, kept listening to it, determined that it was probably an AI script as well due to how it was worded and stuff.

Starting point is 02:52:38 Weird. And then Emma was talking to the person. And partway through the conversation, they mentioned like, yeah, I'm watching this biography thing. I think it might be fake, but I'm not sure. Man, we're so screwed. By the way, Sifrin in floatplane chat says, why does everyone keep trying to pretend jobs aren't being replaced? Seems silly to pretend it's not going to happen.

Starting point is 02:52:58 He's not doing that. That never happened. Context matters. Crying out loud. Why are you trying to pretend that he said that? I'm talking about a very specific thing when we are making an edit to our video with our team doing the work on our product like it's um that is not a case where ai is is is taking our jobs but that doesn't mean that i'm saying that that isn't going to happen absolutely it's going to happen it's happening now

Starting point is 02:53:21 it's already happened and it will continue for live laugh and dove if you could have uh if you could eliminate all of one cuisine from each other's diet which one would the fight for the most oh i mean luke would not allow me to cut chicken out of his diet i might as well tell him to just cut off his own head. What would I do? I don't know. Probably die. Well, you'd waste away first and then die. If my diet had to stay exactly the same, like if I didn't get to change anything and you were able to remove chicken, I might actually just eventually, yeah.

Starting point is 02:54:01 Budgies. And when we talked about that earlier he said chicken not poultry he said cuisine dan we can we can stop talking about eating budgies now wow um sorry okay so if you if you could if you could had to okay which one would i fight for the most to eliminate what's your favorite color of welch's no you gotta you have to you have to eliminate uh a cuisine from my diet what would i fight for the most you fight for the most i think cuisine is an interesting word for the thing that i'm thinking of but here hold on i'm gonna write down my answer let's see if you can get it would chicken even be considered a cuisine no for luke it's a cuisine i mean frank's red hot okay be the most let's see if you can get it

Starting point is 02:54:46 what's the thing i would fight for most oh man the answer is going to be so obvious once you get it that you're either going to get it and you're going to nail it and you're going to be like yeah i know or you're going to not get it you're going to be like i'm a idiot so those are the only two options i'm afraid i wonder if you know this, though. Yeah, I don't feel like I'm that confident in this. Because there's quite a few things that he's fairly passionate about in regards to food, actually. And they're quite different.

Starting point is 02:55:18 Cuisine. How are we defining cuisine? Loosely. Okay. Yeah, I'm not worrying about it. Yeah. How are we defining cuisine? Loosely. Okay. Yeah, I'm not worrying about it. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm wrong, but I just default to cereal. The first thing I thought of was cereal.

Starting point is 02:55:36 Yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah. Because the other contender that I had was pickles, but I was like, I feel like it's not on the same level. Yeah, no. It's high. I like pickles, but I'll go six months without eating a pickle yeah exactly and i've seen that happen if i go a week without eating cereal the first thing i do when i walk in

Starting point is 02:55:54 the door at home like sometimes i don't even say hi to all of my family members i will go and eat a bowl of honey nut cheerios or like honey nut checks or whatever whatever I'm into that at that point like I'm I like I was less confident until you said I was less confident until you said that we were loosely defining it as loosely defining cuisine because I was like is he talking about burgers maybe

Starting point is 02:56:18 like his own burgers yeah like some of that oatmeal crisp like wild berry but I'll throw in like extra cranberries you can tell it's not burgers because he completely ignored that and just kept talking about cereal you know what i was gonna write down would also accept burgers because like okay all right so i sort of got it but i think the burgers is half of it's the act of making them yeah yeah yeah i mean i don't know what i would i don't know what i would like serve guests because yeah i don't personally like chicken wings that much for like like drumsticks and stuff

Starting point is 02:56:49 but like that's such a barbecue staple so if i couldn't throw burgers on the grill man what would i even like like hot dogs really like it's fine for some people not everyone likes hot dogs whereas like if you have hot dogs and hamburgers and you offer a veggie version of both pretty much everyone is going to eat nobody's going to be like nah i'm gonna leave hungry yeah yeah yeah i have no idea for dan as far as i can tell that dan will happily just literally eat nothing so i shut up shut your mouth so it's like what do you what do you coffee what do you threaten him to take away it's not food dan that's not cuisine where's my breakfast oh i almost got luke there's no water in here my one chance no got him uh souls hey

Starting point is 02:57:40 hey dll uh first off great name dan thanks dan uh second great question for linus i'm moving apartment soon and we'll be repainting it that's not really a question what advice do you have for that satin or eggshell how do i prep the walls oh all right well um the product that people use for prepping the walls i think it it's called TSP for wall prep. Yeah, there you go. To clean walls with TSP, blah, blah, blah, bucket of warm water. It's better than using bleach because there are certain kinds of, I think it's mildew that will actually eat compounds in bleach. So you can actually end up having more mildew.

Starting point is 02:58:22 With that said, if you have mildew on your interior walls that's probably um you probably got other issues and you're talking yeah i think i think you're talking about interior walls so the first thing you want to do is just wipe down the walls um lightly lightly soapy water will work to wipe them down just whatever you do do not leave a soap film on them you've got to make sure that you get that off. And then after that, I would say, you know, figure out what kind of paints on there. If it's a really old house, it might have oil-based paint, which means that you'll have to pick a special product that is designed to go over top of oil-based paint. Almost nobody paints with oil inside the house anymore. And certain latex products will just peel right off of an oil paint like they won't adhere at all

Starting point is 02:59:05 so make sure that you figure out what's on there you can use a little bit of acetone on a rag if it comes off it's latex based if it doesn't come off then it's oil based you got to watch out for that just let the paint store know and then beyond that i mean satin versus eggshell is just a finish right so you got to decide on a product um i would just i would say avoid avoid cheap paint get a good quality paint one that has good coverage and buy less of it because you'll find that a lot of the time the cheaper product is just going to cover worse and you're going to end up doing another coat of it anyway um i like eggshell finish for walls i like semi-gloss for trim very very traditional very very classic.

Starting point is 02:59:45 I mean, people obviously do other things. If I was painting a bathroom or a kitchen, I would consider a glossier coating even for the walls just to make it more scrubbable. But basically, you can either have, there's different kinds of additives. You can only suspend so much in the paint suspension. So you can add coloring pigments. You can add blocking pigments, which will cover up what's underneath, which will help them to cover better. You can add resin.

Starting point is 03:00:16 There's only so much you can suspend in it. And so when you have these different finishes, the more resin you have in it, one of the nice things about it is the more durable it is. Resin's really good for hardening it, but it makes it more glossy. And the glossier it is, the more it shows imperfection. So that's why eggshell, which is not a color, it is the texture of an egg shell, and it has like a little bit of sheen to it but it's mostly flat that's why it's a really nice middle ground between being durable enough to scrub with a with a washcloth but also um matte enough that it hides imperfections well you wouldn't believe how not flat your drywall is it's not flat i promise you it looks like no matter who your contractors are no matter how

Starting point is 03:01:04 fresh the job was it looks like it's terrible and and that's that's not their fault sheetrock's really hard to deal with and getting it extremely flat is i forget what because i i had um talked to our contractors about how we have these sconces in our theater room and they shine down and you can really see the like bulges in the walls you can see where the mud is between the drywall sheets because of just the angle of the light. I'm like, hey, so this wall isn't very flat. And they're like, yeah. I'm like, right, but it's not very flat.

Starting point is 03:01:34 And they're like, yeah, but if you want it flat, that's called, I think it's called a level four finish or something like that. And they're basically like, yeah, it takes like 10 times as long or something like that. You want to pay for it? I'm like, no. I'm like no like okay

Starting point is 03:01:45 then uh then i think we've uh then i think we've reached a conclusion here yeah um so so that's that's what eggshells for is it'll help hide those imperfections um i use high gloss for anything you're going to touch so like a banister or railing anything like that you should be using a high gloss paint he didn't say it was particularly durable he said it was a happy medium yeah guys it's durable enough why what is the point of saying i said a thing i didn't say man stop it the number of times man i read on the internet a thing that i said that i completely never said at all it's actually kind of incredible i say so much stuff it's so easy to nail me on stuff I've said. Why go for the stuff I didn't say? What's the point?

Starting point is 03:02:29 Oh, man. That's pretty funny. Anyway, have fun. You know, it's a fun project. Put down drop sheets. There is no such thing as a job that's so small you shouldn't bother to put down a drop sheet. Hi, Dan's hands and linus and luke's voice if you were given the ability to

Starting point is 03:02:49 advance one piece of technology or breakthrough what would you progress for example battery technology hydrogen fuel cells the two examples that they gave were fantastic yeah that's like honestly i would have taken batteries um yeah fine i'm gonna go with screens then i would make them so much more power efficient that i don't need as much battery i turned it around it's basically batteries now got them i was gonna go with a more kind of broader tech and just uh mixed reality glasses that look like normal glasses that actually look like normal glasses you know it's funny that's the product that i had in mind when i said screens there you go nice on the same wavelength heck yeah computer brain interfaces hey lld xc otr trucker here uh Just got my tax write-off t-shirt.

Starting point is 03:03:45 It's officially a work shirt for a write-off. If you had to live out of a semi-truck, what tech would you take with you? Loving the ally. Thank you. They took my answer again. I would take... Gosh darn it.

Starting point is 03:03:59 I mean, I would definitely take, like, whatever the baller Starlink is, if I can get away with it. Like, having actually good internet on the road would be pretty big deal a huge deal for me the ally is sick yeah um how much how much like i guess you're usually when you're stopped you're going to be stopped at a stop like a truck stop or a destination or some kind of yes and no like sometimes you're just on you're stopped you're going to be stopped at a stop like a truck stop or a

Starting point is 03:04:25 destination or some kind of yes and no like sometimes you're just on the side of the road you're in the pullover how much power do you have when you're stopped there i mean that's a good question i've never driven a big rig professionally believe it or not yeah i don't know paint house yes big rig no yeah not so much because i most of the people that i've talked to that do this type of stuff have battery powered things which makes me think that you're charging them at a truck stop or something and then potentially using them when you're not there so you probably don't have a ton of power available um unless you're running your truck which you probably don't want to just waste all that fuel um probably not yeah probably not um i could

Starting point is 03:05:07 see electric trucks being kind of cool for that actually the allies probably kind of killing it right there wow cop out answer well i'm thinking because like you i've seen people have like playstations and tvs in their rigs when they when they have like the bed set up you know they have those ones not all of them have those but when you have like the bed set up you've seen like at the foot of the bed there's a tv and they have a playstation there and that's pretty cool i've seen that a few different times one thing that i've always kind of wondered about is why you don't see like some crazy maybe i just haven't seen it but like a pc gamer guy who has his truck set up but there's a computer the power draw is pretty high i think you just wouldn't see it because i know i definitely know

Starting point is 03:05:49 of some that have nazis in their trucks for example to carry media around okay that's kind of sick like i would definitely have a naz in my truck that's pretty cool especially if i didn't have my starlink if i have starlink i don't need it as much but if i didn't that's my backup is i would have like a sick naz with a whole bunch of media okay the sleeper trucks have a small diesel generator on them providing 1500 watts usually interesting interesting i feel like yeah i am still copping out but i feel like the ally is just kind of a sick option it is sorry it is It is. Sorry. It is. Hey, we've got updates for Smash Champs. What's that? What's that?

Starting point is 03:06:30 Look at that. A sneak peek at our concession and seating area. Wow. So this will be the concession and then... It looks like a normal kitchen. Look. All right, we didn't reinvent kitchens. I'm sorry. It didn't even innovate.

Starting point is 03:06:44 This will be a small seating area. What else we got? Oh, we got more stuff. What's this? Is this the viewing area? This is the retail store. Oh, no, downstairs. Yeah, so there's our slat wall.

Starting point is 03:06:57 So we're going to put products on there. That is a light for the construction crew. Oh, okay. Yep. Nice. Nice. All the audio stuff came in this way stringer our stringing machine did you just have one we got two nice are you still gonna string your own rackets no man i'm i'm gonna use my owner privilege so hard and be like hey guys do you mind taking

Starting point is 03:07:27 care of one of these rackets for me and then i'll pay is that gonna affect the the manager's numbers shouldn't i'll pay it's fine nice but i like might expect it to be done pretty quickly what should you probably shouldn't pay they should just track how many times you do it because then you're just giving you're just it's just more taxes for no reason that's true actually but technically i'm supposed to pay those taxes that is definitely a personal badminton racket never mind of course you should pay very good not financial advice this guy yes more yes luck i see you're going to be attending open sauce this year are there any

Starting point is 03:08:16 specific open source programs or platforms that you're hyped to see being developed developed uh so many of them ffmpeg it's it's like so underrated it it it runs like so many things and you don't hear people really talk about it very often you just hear people talk but like i mean we talk about flowplane and maybe i don't mention it enough so i'm trying to give it credit right now uh but ffmpeg is like incredibly amazing um and our our internet offerings would be a lot worse without it i'll say that much um so there i'll say that one i'm always excited when they keep pushing things forward so i'm guessing i fell for your cunning plan when i submitted that dead pixel bug report. What are your favorite examples of Easter eggs like this on websites?

Starting point is 03:09:12 I always loved the little dinosaur jump game that you could play when a page didn't load in Chrome. I was probably my personal favorite. Isn't it still a thing? Maybe. I think somebody made a multiplayer version of it. I can't remember if that was a thing. Maybe I'm crazy. Play Chrome Dino

Starting point is 03:09:30 game. Press space to play. Yeah. There you go. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do Look at that. No way. This feels too easy. It gets harder, right? Didn't somebody make a hot dog to play? Yeah. Yeah, somebody, like, mechanically automated basically a cheat for the game. And then I think he got a job. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:09:58 I think they hired him. That's amazing. Man, internet. I think it was just a sensor on the screen that when it detected the like darker color yeah but you gotta you gotta jump you gotta crouch you gotta do an input it gets faster can you crouch they're down yeah you gotta duck under uh i can't look at my arrow keys right now it's just a down arrow uh i can't see i didn't know you had to are you sure you have to i don't think you can crouch dan are you messing you messing with me? What is happening right now?

Starting point is 03:10:26 I've never seen Dark Mode. Dude, he's gaming right now. So sweaty. Did you guys know this is the guy that beat Ludwig? Shut up. Dick. Someone should challenge him to this dino jump game. I wonder what the high score is for this it's probably whatever it is it's embarrassing well i think they've made the the bot that just does it right so like you're gonna beat the bot

Starting point is 03:10:55 i don't think there's crouching dan i think you're wrong i'm not well how do you crouch why would you crouch maybe they changed it because in a single because it has dark mode all of us gas lighting's not real and if it was it wasn't my fault there was there was cringing i'm not crazy i swear it's down arrow did they remove that because it's it switches between light and dark and there was definitely crouching i don't remember it switching between light and dark mode and i'm pretty sure i've played it for longer than that before and it seems to do it on a pretty regular basis okay this needs to actually just kill me at some point here and i you're too good i don't

Starting point is 03:11:36 i know there was crouching okay uh where are we what are we doing well if you beat that score then you're a better gamer than ludwig i guess yep 100 that's how it works i think yep if i beat ludwig and you beat me then you beat ludwig by definition bigger fish right that's how it works hey luke i'm a self-taught software engineer who started my professional career about a year ago nice what are your thoughts on companies that crunch to meet deadlines and how does floatplane compare? I mean, we've done it. It's extremely uncommon, like extremely. I don't remember the last time we've done it.

Starting point is 03:12:14 And when we do it, it's generally not me driven, if that makes sense. I recognized a long time ago that i actually enjoy those activities because i don't know my brain's broken or something um but that generally that is significantly frowned upon so i have taken on a a stance of like if other people are just doing it by default i will generally you know join in and not stop them but i try not to impose it because i think that's bad i think we're also fairly blessed to be in an industry where we mostly set our own deadlines for things um i think you run into some problems and things like the

Starting point is 03:13:01 gaming industry when you're announcing the launch of a game and then say you discover issues with the game ahead of the launch and you're like oh my goodness we need to fix all this stuff or whatever uh so you announce the launch of a game and then you do a play test and it's horrible so you're trying to improve it for whatever reason then you're crunching because of that like there's there's a lot of industries where crunch is more real for for more real reasons if that makes sense maybe your piece of software has to match up with a piece of hardware and uh you're a driver team to be ready to be ready on time for the launch or whatever like there's there's there's situations where it can maybe make sense as as annoying and frustrating

Starting point is 03:13:43 as it is it can maybe make sense i don annoying and frustrating as it is, it can maybe make sense. I don't think it often makes sense with floatplane. I can appeal to you guys. And I've done it. I'm saying we're going to work on something. And then we end up working on something else or we make some change. And then I just apologize to you guys on Wancho. Explain why we made the change, what we're pivoting to,

Starting point is 03:14:05 what you guys can get instead, et cetera. And then people are usually actually pretty cool with it. And I appreciate that. And that saves our developers from crunch. Not entirely. Yeah. It helps though. Sometimes they crunch

Starting point is 03:14:17 even when you tell them not to explicitly, which is actually frustrating. Be a genuine, very large problem. Because people will burn out from that and i'm like well hold on i'm telling you not to keep working it's not this is not reverse psychology actually don't do that yeah like don't work on the weekend take your weekend off it's actually better for all of us like just just my favorite line we we had an employee at one point that was very problematic that way and my favorite line with them was always just like, you're no good to me dead.

Starting point is 03:14:48 Yeah. Like, I don't know how to be more explicit than just don't. Yeah. Yeah. And it's frustrating because I think there's some like human spirit in the desire to like push really hard sometimes. And wanting to help the team and stuff like that. Like I get it. I understand.

Starting point is 03:15:11 It's driven by positive things. Yeah, but it can. But I need you to be here on Monday. And functional and happy. Yeah. I don't want to. It's like I don't want to. I don't.

Starting point is 03:15:23 It's not constructive for anyone if you're like cranky and burnt out. Yeah. Or if you like miss things in your personal life because you're pushing for it and then those people are complaining at you and then therefore you're upset and all this kind of stuff. Inevitably that resentment makes it back to work. It's like, but I didn't ask you to do that. Yeah. but I didn't ask you to do that. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:15:43 So, so we're a little bit privileged to be in a situation where we're not running into situations too often where it's like super, super required. Yeah. Uh, other, other industries are not as privileged. And I think sometimes those industries will recognize that they're in that

Starting point is 03:15:58 state and then abuse it. Yeah. Because people getting into that industry will understand that that will happen, but they don't necessarily understand how much it will happen because the company leans on it intentionally, and that's really bad. But it's also not always true. I don't know. It's just...

Starting point is 03:16:12 Okay. Who's next? Hey, DLL. With MSI dropping AMD GPUs, is MSI trying to wound NVIDIA? amd gpus is msi trying to wound nvidia the focus on ai will nvidia need a brand partner with no ties to amd gpus to handle products with lesser margins if anything nvidia tends to reward their most loyal servants with the products that have the higher margins that higher margin has turned into more and more of a pittance over the years to the point where EVGA ultimately walked away from the business. But as for why MSI seems to be quietly dropping AMD GPUs, yeah, I'd say it's a strategic move.

Starting point is 03:16:53 I mean, it's not like MSI is giving up their partnership with AMD overall. They're clearly still developing motherboards for AMD Ryzen platforms. But it's been very clear for some time that AMD is just not competitive on the GPU side of things. And it doesn't look like there's any obvious light at the end of that tunnel. So strategically, if I was MSI, seeing the longtime partnership with NVIDIA and kind of going, OK, if someone's's gonna blink and walk away from the radion partnership why shouldn't it just be us like why are we why are we sabotaging the 85 90 of the business that we're doing on our discrete cards with nvidia over this like handful of stupid radion gpus that realistically some of them were probably spending more developing than we're actually making back in the margins on these things.

Starting point is 03:17:45 It's not like there's a ton of money in selling Radeon cards either. I think if I was XFX, I'd be kicking myself pretty hard at this point because they'd be the last game in town. They were exclusive NVIDIA until they went exclusive AMD. Yep. You talked about the LTT wallet about a year ago on WAN Show. Any updates still in development? Dead. Hey DLL, what is Lab's policy on AI scraping? If it's not allowed, have you heard about tools like Nightshade or have you considered an AI chatbot of your own? Good old can't beat them, join them.

Starting point is 03:18:23 I'm not familiar with nightshade specifically we talked about it when it's cool um i forget which one that is we're not doing a lot of that stuff yet we it's very possible we will do like poisoning tools at some point um there's also some groups that are trying to develop like you know like a robots.txt oh that nightshade yeah okay uh there's groups that are trying to come up with an effective equivalent for scrapers that tells them that it's not wanted. So if that happens, we'll probably do that. I don't know. It's a problem that we need to solve eventually. But right now, we're more focused on getting our processes down getting our article publication schedule

Starting point is 03:19:06 down and get making sure the quality is really tight we have a key our first keyboard article up on the site right now just get this show yeah yeah yeah so we have the apex 3 up including force graphs for different keys you can select any key you want how cool is that it's my screen right now pretty neat oh here dang it oh we both clicked ours at exactly the same time i was doing a whole thing i realized you were you were talking yes you can select different keys and you can see the force that we measured on those different keys. Because remember, the key cap itself has a different weight to it. So even if you use exactly the same key switch, you won't necessarily have exactly the same experience. We've got some cute little videos here.

Starting point is 03:19:56 Why is this not on float plane? I don't know. We'll figure it out later. Showing latency testing. Got our average wired latency. Yeah, good stuff, right? It's going to take time. It's going to take time.

Starting point is 03:20:07 Just to be clear to the dev team, that is the correct way to do it right now. Don't worry about it. Yes. Do not crunch yourself into a freely accessible floatplane player. The architecture of floatplane is not designed for free video distribution. It's designed to be authenticated. So we would have to actually do a significant amount of work is my understanding in order to make a free player that we can use

Starting point is 03:20:32 our floatplane cms to upload to so we'll see and if you there's there's just so many other things we can work on and youtube is just so free it's right there it's right there and it's free yeah i get it i get it yeah hi lld linus and you what was one of your most impactful celebrity or person of clout encounters that you've had who was it and how did meeting this person either changed and then it's cut off it's changed you. Changed your outlook on life. It definitely didn't really change my outlook on life, but I like this story. Do you remember when you had that talk with Markiplier like a billion years ago?

Starting point is 03:21:18 And you're talking about hosting and stuff? This would have been like seven years ago or something. I did not know that I met markiplier i don't think i don't know if you met him or not i know you talked to him really yeah cool you talked to him about hosting and you talked to him about my hosting blah blah blah so i knew he knew who we were anyways that's the only part of the context wow i totally forgot about that yeah he's kind of a big deal we my my friends and i were going to pax prime and we stopped in at starbucks because a bunch of my friends want coffee i don't drink coffee whatever but i noticed that he's

Starting point is 03:21:50 standing there off on the side and no one's noticed him yet the reason why i know no one's noticed him yet is because the entire restaurant wasn't hoarding him right because he's kind of a big deal yeah a little bit and i saw him standing over there and he was like mostly kind of keeping his head down and i think with intention because it's pretty early in the morning, you just want some freaking coffee. Yeah, I don't blame them. And I saw him and we kind of locked eyes and I just head nodded and he head nodded and we went back to ignoring each other. And I was like, cool. That's pretty awesome.

Starting point is 03:22:18 Yeah. I was like, that's, I'm happy that this didn't turn into like a thing. I'm happy I was able to not bother him in that moment. And it was just like, I don't know. It was pretty cool. Yeah, that's about it. I don't think like, I don't think I've been hugely impacted by a meeting a celebrity of any kind. a celebrity of any kind.

Starting point is 03:22:46 Um, trying to remember, I'm trying to remember what his name is. Um, man, the star bomb guy, someone helped me out here. Star bomb guy.

Starting point is 03:22:58 Yeah. Ego Raptor. That's right. Oh yeah. Yeah. I've told this story before, but I, I met him at an event and i didn't realize who he was he like was talking to me about maybe we could like use his like live production company services at

Starting point is 03:23:12 some point if we ever wanted to do like a tour or something i i was like networking and stuff and he seemed cool and everything but i didn't realize who he was until i like looked up his name in the elevator and uh i had to like go find him later in the event i was like yo i had no f***ing idea who you were i like grew up watching your cartoons and stuff mad respect see you later that's pretty cool that's actually pretty cool yeah i mean that's the thing right about animators right like it's and he does so many different voices it's not like you would just know from his voice unless you unless you know so you like are a game grumps watcher or something yeah which i wasn't yeah because i i believe he

Starting point is 03:23:54 did the animated stuff for a long time before he started showing up yeah like i watched the stuff on like newgrounds yeah like exactly first merch message glad to be here simple question when car focused channel i love tech and i love cars and i want to make me a tech and car youtube channel sandwich then watch every car video that we upload to the other channels and the more we can make the pitch for financial viability the more we will be able to make that dedicated channel or channels in the future. It's a super crowded space, though, guys, it's not like we can just walk in and immediately have a reason for being. I definitely have a lot of thoughts. But, you know, reviewing products is a ton of work. And I think right now our main focus is on just making sure

Starting point is 03:24:46 that our that our tech videos are solid um cars will come when they come hi luke i am studying data analytics and in the process of building a website that utilized a database to budget my money and save receipts how did you decide what to use for Flowplane and then designing it? Linus-led development. Let's go. I want an Excel database, Luke. How did you decide what to use for Flowplane? No, no, no. None of that was Linus-led development. He had no idea at all.

Starting point is 03:25:22 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. We wouldn't use Cloudflare today if it wasn't for me i forced him to call them i think we would be using them today okay today we probably would but it would have taken a lot longer it would have taken a while longer he was so stubbornly like determined he was determined that they were not going to work for ddos protection for our site i mean stuff still got through i was still a little bit right but i wasn't right enough you were not nearly right enough um why are you making a website for this um and the process of building a website that utilized nothing is allowed to be for fun um i'm in the process of a website that utilized

Starting point is 03:26:02 i hope you don't actually hold that conviction are we we're not allowed to talk anymore no no no no if it's just for fun that's cool if you want something i i would honestly really suggest that's why we monetize our hanging out all my all my hobbies are monetized as well i'm no i'm no better yeah so what are you talking about um i i think you'd be better off just doing fancy google sheets um and like learning how to do fancy things with google sheets because i think a lot of people don't realize at all how powerful it is with its ability to link to other sheets and things um there's also looker studio now which they renamed big data studio and you can

Starting point is 03:26:41 use google big data studio no it used to be now it's looker studio which is the google is a different thing than they killed the other one no it's just a dumb it is a dumb name tell us how you really feel stupid and that can have uh google sheet databases yeah excel is better except excel isn't remotely accessible okay guy what about office 365 got him it's bad the web version is bad all right uh it's okay so the decisions let me let me get to the root of this how do you decide what to use for floatplane and uh and then designing it we i mean i tried to make some decisions with jake uh and we wrote down our pretty bad decisions. And then AJ was like, hold on. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:27:27 And then we went with what AJ said for the most part. Fun fact, he still works for Floatplane. Yeah, it's great. That AJ. I had the team at the time religiously read the Netflix blog. I would post it in our Slack every time they posted a new article. I like how you refer to it as the team. Yeah. It's like you and AJ. And some volunteers and some volunteers yeah heck yeah there was volunteers back then that's true it's more people um but yeah we would read the netflix blog and we we got a lot of our

Starting point is 03:27:54 early info because my info on it was like a lot of these websites are not sharing information on how they're making their video websites it was very closed back then very very closed and then there's netflix just being like hey here's how we do basically everything and i was like okay well this isn't exactly what we're trying to build but it's pretty close so let's take some ideas from these you know people that are clearly doing a great job of this and try to mirror a lot of what they're doing and it worked quite well for us for a while. And now we've kind of pivoted onto our own things now that we have a lot of experience in the space. But yeah, we learned from another player in the space that has been doing really well.

Starting point is 03:28:33 If you're doing it for fun, do that. If you're not doing it for fun, seriously consider something like Google Sheets instead of making a website for this. Yeah. Okay, here's a good one. one hey dll nearly a year has passed since taryn took over as ceo what are some challenges and positive developments observed since linus stepped down basically a year review i mean it's easier for you guys to answer this one have you noticed anything positive or are things just generally worse uh we feel more like a real company you can take that however you want

Starting point is 03:29:13 um oh i'll take it oh my oh my um i think what are some of the challenges? I don't think there's been a ton of challenges, particularly pertaining to that, to be clear. Um, I think Taryn has a, I don't know what, it's like a completely different food, but it tastes the same.

Starting point is 03:29:45 So it's cereal, but it isn't? But it like, you eat like a cereal flavored candy bar and you're like, wait. So it's a cereal bar. Yeah. I don't know.

Starting point is 03:29:58 It's like, it's very similar, but it's not the same. Like Taron has a different approach to things and a different style but they're clearly highly related overall the guiding star is the same i mean it's not like i would have brought in someone who's just gonna yeah yeah so but that's that's i don't i don't think there's a lot of like new challenges because of that if that makes sense i mean we're definitely we're definitely doing some stuff differently like our entire leadership team which is about a almost a fifth or a quarter of a company some somewhere in there uh is doing like

Starting point is 03:30:29 executive leadership training right now i think that's a positive development oh you were trying to think of a challenge yeah i mean he's remote still like half the time i consider that a challenge but i guess for most people it probably doesn't make much of a difference no because you you were too spread thin anyway so you weren't there anyways yeah that's fair so like yeah what difference does it make all right fair enough if anything there's probably more time being spent because when he is here half the time that he's here that's more time so i don't know Someone asked for more French terrier hoodies, and someone else sniped me on the reply. I said, okay.

Starting point is 03:31:09 Sorry, I think I just showed that one. Okay, last one I've got for you here. Linus, I just purchased an S2 Del Mar for my daily commute. I have no idea what that is. I will go look it up while you continue to read. What is your favorite bike gear accessories safety equipment or tech likely will order a break free it looks cool i mean yeah it looks sick the s2 little more uh i don't know it doesn't really oh yeah it kind of looks like it

Starting point is 03:31:40 yeah i think it's electric far ranging fast charging absolutely that makes me think city range 181 kilometers to charge in 78 minutes that's pretty nice she goes dang dang dang yeah she goes um zoom stunts performed by professionals good lord whoosh whoosh okay i'm doing the audio hi anywho yeah that looks super cool i gotta confess i um i test drove an electric bike a while back and it just didn't sing to me so i ended up dumping a bunch of money into my sv650s it's an old 2003 but um i i'm really looking forward to having it back on the road as for my favorite gear honestly i just have like kind of pedestrian stuff i don't really uh i just i just like riding my bike a lot of the same stuff too

Starting point is 03:32:41 yeah i haven't i haven't i don't replace things unless i absolutely have to like i buy a new helmet every you know five or six years like you're supposed to yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna paint my new one to match my bike yeah i don't know all the same stuff right i'm assuming it's something from someone yeah has some armor in it i it's i got the one that fits you know nice i don't know man i'm just i'm not much of a it's funny because i'll say stuff like i'm you know i'm not that much into the aesthetics of things i just i'm i don't care about the brand i'm just buying functionality like i say stuff like that and then i am spending i kid you not like thousands of dollars painting my bike but that's not about it's not about the end result like if i was buying a bike on craigslist i would just get whatever one i don't care what color it

Starting point is 03:33:30 is yeah it's more about the project of doing it um so i don't i don't know how to address this i i have some wired headphones that i that i installed into my helmet nice and then i run them like down to down to a thing so they don't go in my ear so I can hear everything around me, but I got speakers. Nice. They're like the drivers out of a pair of headphones

Starting point is 03:33:54 and they just kind of sit in the little ear things inside my helmet. You're probably expecting me to talk about my sick heads-up display helmet or whatever. No, man, I just wear whatever fits. Sorry, I'm so... Oh, man. Yeah, I'm basic.

Starting point is 03:34:13 Can you get, like, a Google Maps HUD? Probably. Yeah, I think there's some pretty cool helmets. But, like, man, you could have replaced that shit, like, every few years. Couldn't you just buy a visor that has it? You have to buy the whole helmet? I don't know. Maybe.

Starting point is 03:34:27 But like helmets are already expensive. But I have one that fits. Yeah. Mine's good. It's good. Like, and to be clear, I'm not buying low quality stuff. Like I have a Shoei helmet, which is not a word to describe it. It's a brand.

Starting point is 03:34:41 Man, I don't know. Apparently none of the HUD helmets are good yet. Like that's the thing right is i i tend to i tend to wait for other people to buy garbage and then i'll buy like a good one when it doesn't suck yeah fair enough all right i think that's it do we have any machinists on staff we definitely have some part-time uh machinists i think ours is total four axis dan would you know uh machinists or our machine what do you mean yeah our our tormach how many axes does it oh yeah we have an a-axis so it's

Starting point is 03:35:10 four axes so you said eight and then you said four a-axis yeah that's the roll one right yes that would be the fourth axis yeah okay okay okay uh so that's what we have and we definitely have some folks that are more than capable of using it, like Sebastian and Tynan. I got to learn how to do conversational on it. It was terrifying. But they are not full-time machinists. You will see some really cool discussion from them about how it works, though, in an upcoming video where we made a giant version of the screwdriver in-house. That's kind of cool, actually. Yeah yeah it feels like something you'd see it like science world it'll be for a stream so i have to build a computer with it apparently i i have only

Starting point is 03:35:52 gotten to see a picture of it so far i'm pretty excited it looks hilarious like it's thicker around than this nice for the handle i'll get it done yeah yeah like it's like the guy that she tells you not to worry about version of the screwdriver not a bad screwdriver yeah all right uh someone asks if there will be super checks after party honestly i played super checks at lounge night with someone the other night i can't i gotta go do medicine for the birds oh i mean that's fine i was gonna say um losing it a little bit no dang no it was boring oh it's not actually like fun to play against people right now um and you're still fun good but hey last time was pretty close you definitely beat me but it was pretty close yeah but like i'm kind of tired of winning every time you should have not

Starting point is 03:36:43 done the tape review yeah maybe not but i want i wanted to be good you were good i wanted to get good though hey we never talked about the rabbit r1 we kind of missed it we kind of missed uh yeah it kind of sucks and we should have had a launch for you on it uh i don't think we had it yet oh yeah we got it though i did a short circuit well it kind of sucks no no we don't have to do the yet oh yeah we got it though i did a short circuit well it kind of sucks no no we don't have to do the whole topic but i will say watch the short circuit video because no matter how bad you think the r1 is um it managed to be worse than the short circuit video boy i i i love teenage engineering stuff i don't think i'll ever buy anything they ever make because

Starting point is 03:37:23 it's all way too expensive but But I really like their design work. It seems to be of dubious utility. Yeah. Generally speaking, I don't really understand what that company does or why it exists. Some of their stuff just looks really cool, though. I wish more things looked like that. I don't buy stuff for looking cool.

Starting point is 03:37:39 Exactly. I don't get it. I'll never buy any of it, but it looks sweet. Yeah. People have this like weird relationship with teenage engineering that i that is true i don't have that i don't understand like they just they're like fans of them they'll just buy stuff just because they yeah i'm not gonna work on the design but like i kid you not it has a giant touch screen covering half of the front

Starting point is 03:38:01 of the unit and you can't interact with it you have to use the wheel this just looks so cool sure but so what i'm never gonna buy it yeah not only would i never use it but i would have no like i can't i literally even if i was in this interest industry i don't think i would buy this yeah but it's a it's a it's like an instrument how else will you dial the telephone awesome it looks so cool it makes some instruments, but I'll never buy it. Anyways, so yeah, I think the design looks cool and stuff. And I don't hate the idea of making dedicated devices for things that you would normally use your phone for.

Starting point is 03:38:37 Yeah. Because I don't hate the idea of getting off your phone more. You should watch the video anyway, because it's going to be really funny. I probably will. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye all right yeah yeah

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