The WAN Show - I am NOT Retiring... yet - WAN Show Jan 24, 2020

Episode Date: January 27, 2020

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You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it. Some things look ambitious, but looks can be deceiving. For example, a runner could be training for a marathon, or they could be late for the bus. You never know. Ambition is on the inside. So that goal to beat your personal best? Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition mitsubishi motors and welcome ladies and gentlemen to the wend show we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today there's the rx 5600 xt launch debacle uh there's the incredible news out of Gamers Nexus that some RTX 2060s are like 47%

faster than other ones in productivity benchmarks. How does this kind of stuff keep happening with AMD? Well, no, this is both of them doing dumb stuff. Oh, just AMD bungling their launches? Well, they're really nice people. Random cards being way more powerful or some cards being flashable up to like the that's nvidia level that's nvidia that's oh yeah so

that's that's a whole other thing so we have so this these are two completely unrelated topics that for some reason have been combined in our yeah that doesn't make a lot of sense yep don't worry about it it's all good um literally oh no virtually every lenovo thinkpad since 2017 has defective usb type c ports great so that's pretty cool and uh speaking of cool i very cool thank you super cool thank you has his own shirt i knew he was here for a milestone uh i am not retiring at least at this time i think some some people, actually, I know for a fact, some people didn't make it all the way through the stream. And so the rumors of my retirement have been grossly exaggerated.

We also have some more news. Intel's reorging. Is there anything you want to highlight? That is a big deal. Have you heard about this? Not particularly. We're definitely talking about that. But Sonos filling landfills with EOL speakers.

Basically. And, like, I'm mad. I think you should be. Because you have some, don't you? I'm super mad. I actually didn't even pay for them, and I'm still mad. Are they going to be EOL? We'll talk about that, won't we?

Okay. All right. Let's roll that intro. Let's roll it intro Let's roll it He's gonna do it. I was gonna say you press the button. I've been thinking about rolling it Well that was pretty good You'll know that I did in fact roll it. I just didn't do it immediately. Yes. Keep everyone on their toes.

Show is brought to you by Moss. Honey. Vulture! All right Let's jump into the show. Okay, so the first thing I want to do is a little bit of Q&A because it seems like a lot of people have some questions about what went down on Wednesday night when pretty much I sat down and I made a few notes and Because I didn't know what to say, I just said everything. Do you have any questions?

Not majorly, to be completely honest. All right. One thing I would note right now is that we don't actually have to really have a Supernormal show, but if we want to, we're probably going to have to cap this at some point. Yeah, we will. Because people will ask questions forever. We will.

And they'll ask super dumb ones, so we're going to ignore all of those ones. Okay. Like, no offense. It's just, like... Maybe that's why he's retiring. Time is limited. Come on. Time is limited.

So, okay, if you've got nothing, there's a couple things I wanted to address right away. One of them is that, honestly, that video is the most uncomfortable I have felt about publishing a video ever. I actually sat there for about 20 minutes, just like rechecking things that I already knew were as good as they were going to be, because I was shooting on just like a basic webcam with no lighting and using just like an ancient mod mic on a not very good USB audio card because my Thunderbolt connection died because Thunderbolt's a big piece of garbage, which is actually why I wired up my house with fiber

optics for those USB extensions, which are way better. I think just every excuse for everything now should be, that's why I'm retiring. Yeah. Thunderbolt sucks and that's why I'm retiring. So anyway, my Thunderbolt thing wasn't working, and that's what I used for my microphone. And so I had to go get this little tiny dinky USB combo unit and a breakout cable. And so even for a mod mic, it wasn't sounding as good as it should. So there were all these little things that I kept just kind of tweaking

and tuning and like, oh, maybe I'm going to sit more like this, and I'd play around with the tilt on my webcam and stuff like that. I think a certain amount of that helped aid the like personability of the video. It ended up being way worse than I expected. So it's funny because I've been doing this for so long that I've become so numb to the numbers. You know, I upload a video and I go, oh, yeah, it did about 1.1 million. That's okay, I guess. You know, or, oh, you know, that one was a banger.

That one did 2 million views. Like, cool. But I don't really think about, because most of the videos that we upload, I guess, don't connect with people on a personal level. Like, don't really speak to, but personal level, like don't really speak to. But I had they don't they're not the same. I had literally hundreds of people, many of whom I haven't talked to in ages, just like reach out to me via every possible means. And I apologize that I have not been able to reply to all of them.

And in fact, I probably won't been able to reply to all of them and in fact I probably won't be able to reply to all of them the video has like Some stupid number. I think it has like 25,000 comments on it, and I've actually read a significant chunk of them But not all of them it gets a new comment on it still more than once a minute and then I streamed like 36 hours ago or whatever that works out to like 36 hours ago or whatever that works out to. Currently at 2.7 million views publicly. And the really uncomfortable part is like, I don't really, I tend to keep the brand front facing and I tend to keep the person sort of behind the scenes.

And the thing that I felt, and this is, you know, this is, it's an analogy. I know it's not the same thing, but honestly, I felt kind of like a, felt and this is i i you know this is uh it's an analogy i know it's not the same thing but honestly i felt kind of like uh like a like a pornographic actor like i felt like very exposed yeah because when i was when i was recording it i was in a room by myself and there was chat but i was actually not looking at it um i was i was actually not looking at it. I was specifically not looking at it. I was just looking at my notes, and I was just kind of trying to talk,

just kind of put it out there. And what I realized as people have been reaching out to me with everything from, hey, do you want to grab lunch? Or, hey, if you just want to talk. Or, hey, here's my life story, and here's I, you know, tackle these things and like just everything. And it's all like really positive, actually, shockingly positive. And I've even seen comments from people just being positive about how positive our community was and just being surprised because in general, the Internet is such a cesspool. Um, and what I realized is that there are people watching this that I wouldn't have shared these things with if I had specifically been in a room with them and that now I have

to go and sit in a room with them at some point, having basically effectively bawled my eyes out in front of them. And this is probably going to be like a highly addressable topic for a while. On that note though, I would ask, um, I think a lot of the times when you air something like this to not shareholders in the sense of stocks, but shareholders in terms of stakeholders. Stakeholders, even if they're not shareholders. Yeah, there we go. When you do that, to a certain degree, it can feel like you finally lifted a bunch of weight. Does that feel accurate at all?

I feel better, yes. I actually feel, I felt better coming into work on Thursday morning than I have in a while. Yeah, okay. Just like, because, I mean, at least it's there. Like, there were people who knew already. There's a person who knew already. And there were people who knew already um there's a person who knew already and there were people who had information like i think you and i had a really good chat last year like 20 ces 2019 yeah

it wasn't 100 on nose but it was like but like i think you i think you had some idea so where my headspace was that yeah um and uh so now it's just out there so it it's like, okay, for better or for worse, you know, that's where I'm at. And most people, at least here at the office, have been really good about it. They've been like, you're fine, right? And I'm like, yes. And they're like, cool. Yeah. You know, nobody, I saw one comment.

It's funny how the negative ones really stand out to you. I saw one comment about how highly inappropriate it was for an executive of a company to talk about something like this, you know, in front of their staff. And I was like, here's the thing. You don't know my staff. Yeah. You don't know me. You don't know them. And, like, Linus Media Group has become more corporate,

but it's still very, very far from that. Yeah, and it will never get there. That is not my intention at all. The other thing is that there seems to be some confusion around it. People were like, WTF is this? When the Oculus video went up 12 hours later about the Quest, and it's just me and Riley goofing around playing with this VR headset, and people were like, WTF is this?

This is such a tonal shift. You guys got to understand that when I livestream, that's happening now. And when you watch a video, that happened a while ago and to be fair i mean you you almost undoubtedly filmed videos the next day potentially the next morning yeah i probably fairly upbeat yeah because that's the thing is like most of the time when i'm filming videos i wouldn't call it a persona but it's i'm definitely aware that i am an on-screen talent and my job is to perform and do a good job of being an on-screen talent because if i don't i will get fired not by not in a literal sense but like yeah i will get fired by the audience they'll be like well this

guy sucks so i'm gonna go watch one of the other literal hundreds of other tech content creators online. I don't need this guy. Screw it. I'm out of here. And people don't want to, or at least this is my perception, and maybe I'm wrong, because I was watching the series that Shane Dawson did with Jeffree Star. that Shane Dawson did with Jeffree Star. As far as I could tell,

was like a six-week promotion of the makeup launch that they were obviously planning before they ever started creating that content. And I was just like trying to like... I didn't end up being able to watch much of it, unfortunately. And like massive respect for those guys and their teams, like everyone involved. Massive respect to everyone involved with that for like the success that they've had, you know, financially, influence wise, fame wise, all that good stuff. I don't get the content.

I just don't understand it. And that's fine. I'm sure that they would watch what I do and go like, sorry, what is this? Yeah, I was going to say rather different categories. Yeah. Yeah. So that's fine. I would watch what I do and go like, sorry, what is this? Yeah, I was going to say rather different categories. Yeah, yeah. So that's fine. But I was just, so what I was about to say is my perception is people don't want to see like kind of mopey, like sort of downbeat stuff.

So I tend to try to project that energy. But, you know, there were parts of that that I was kind of skipping through that I was like, you know, this is kind of like a downer. But it's like different strokes for different folks, right? Yeah, I was going to say, watching it, I did not actually get that vibe. Really? I didn't get the downer vibe. Oh, wait, with the Jeffree Star, Shane Dawson thing? Oh, no.

I didn't watch that. Oh, okay. I'm going to say I don't really get that content. Sorry, I thought you were talking about your stream. Yeah, no, no, okay. Yeah. I don't know. I content. Sorry, I thought you were talking about your stream. Yeah, no, no, okay. Yeah. I don't know. I felt like a downer.

You had, like, comments about situations where you were down. I see. But you were being open about it, and I don't personally take that as a downer, if that makes sense. Right. Like, I wasn't, like, sad watching it. I think at multiple points in time i think i was actually quite happy right because i think there's things that and i mean i've seen like

personal life wise i've seen like your and avon's relationship just from my angle seems extremely strong right now yeah Yeah, we're good. And has seemed extremely strong for quite a while. Yeah, we're good. And I think that's really cool. And when you're like, I want to spend more time with my wife and kids, that doesn't make me sad. Right. That's like, oh, that's cool.

Because, like, not to toot your horn, but I think you're a really awesome dad. So you being able to spend more time with your kids, being an awesome dad, is like, that's cool. Well, thank you. No problem. But, like, yeah, I just, I don't know it didn't like yeah i guess what i'm trying to say is in general don't be surprised and confused when the videos you watch that are a production and not just like me sharing my thoughts are designed for a broader audience even outside of design though you can like be having those thoughts and those introspective, like, thinking sessions and stuff like that. And then also go be excited about VR.

Yeah. Like, you don't have to be one track mind all the time. Right. And that's the other thing, too, is, like, I kind of expected the video to, like, do well in terms of the analytics. I didn't expect it to be closing in on like 3 million views within like two days. I didn't expect to go home from work or excuse me, come home from work the next day and have my in-laws like ask me about it.

Like I didn't expect to get like a message from my sister that's like, Hey, I'm like sitting here sobbing my eyes out at my desk at work. Are you alright? I'm like, I'm fine. That wasn't the point. Yeah, I will say, I don't think... Love you, boo-boo, but like...

It didn't make me sad, but I do think you made a lot of people cry. But I don't think those things are necessarily the same. Okay. Well, at any rate, what do we got here? Do you have additional comments now that you've seen? Like, before we get into the Q&A, is there anything you would want to add

now that you've seen comments on the video? Because sometimes I feel that way about content. Honestly, not really. I really did, like, I do feel like there's a load off my chest. I really did say everything. I do feel like there's a load off my chest. I really did say Everything that I had to say So I just want to clarify that No, I'm not retiring

Yes, it's because I still have work to do here. But the main point is just that I I'm gonna do it because I want to do it I'm not gonna do it because I feel like I am I am going to do it because I want to do it. I'm not going to do it because I feel like I am bound to it. I went through a period for a long time where I felt like I was doing this because I just had this ongoing responsibility to make sure that everyone under this roof keeps making their mortgage payments. And that's still there, obviously. I think that any honest entrepreneur with half of a soul

are excuse me entrepreneur any obvious um like business owner i guess that's sort of a synonym whatever it doesn't matter any anyone with half a soul who is responsible for a team of people should feel that way um but i'm not gonna let that dictate how I why I'm doing it anymore and so if I were to ultimately make some kind of a decision like if I was to say okay look I'm going to step back to part-time or I'm gonna whatever whatever it ends up looking like I'm just going to make sure that I'm putting my work into equipping the people here with the tools that they need to keep it going and I think that it's the community's reaction has been really encouraging. I've seen a lot of people just say, like, hey, your team's awesome.

We love them. So, like, yeah, you do you, and we'll make it work. I do think a lot of that is kind of like Heggs. Remember Heggs? People would write it in your yearbook. Oh, yeah. You know, have a great summer. We should write it in your yearbook. Oh, yeah. You know, have a great summer,

we should totally get together, and then it's totally meaningless. Here's my cell number. Yeah, you know. That'll never happen. That's, yeah, it's not happening. And the reality of it is, our habits online are more algorithmically driven than ever before,

and in spite of many, many of those people having the best intentions to keep up they wouldn't um but it's still really nice to hear even if i know that a lot of it is um and a lot of it probably is true just to be very clear but a lot of it is not um and not intentionally um so i actually don't really see any... So who's your favorite cross-code character? Oh, it's got to be... Oh, man. How do you...

For reference, I know I came in with some amount of pre-existing information, but I, at no point in time in that video, thought you were immediately bailing because I noticed the specific wording of the title. I was very careful not to clickbait it. Got to be Emily. I love her. She's amazing. That's my favorite character.

Turning LMG into a cooperative after retiring. I have no idea how a cooperative is structured. I doubt it though. Cooperative business model. What is this? It's an alternate business model which responds to the needs of all stakeholders, employees, customers, suppliers, local community, investors, future generations, as well as investors. That sounds like some pretty pie in the skythe-sky bullcrap right there.

So no idea. Okay. Wow, yeah, people don't really seem to have a lot of questions. I think, like, there was articles posted and stuff like that, which were, like, clearly someone skimmed the video or watched the first five minutes. Has no idea who I am. Doesn't know. Yeah. And just, like, wrote some stuff about, like, your stats and said you're retiring.

But I think the community as a whole, like, actually watched it and gets it. And if you watch the whole thing, it's fairly conclusive. Okay. Like, I didn't really expect you were going to have additional comments when I asked about it. Cool. All right. Well, thank you so much, guys. You guys rock. All right. So let thank you so much, guys. You guys rock.

All right. So let's move on to some tech news. Yeah. The RX 5600 XT launch was a bit of a fiasco. I actually clarified it a little bit on the am I retiring or not, what's going on live stream. But I feel like I should do it more formally here because I did not cover it adequately in our launch video of the 5600 xt and i did a very bad job of making the situation better on tech yeah so you know what i watched both of those things after the live stream and with that context on it it was just hilarious terrible terrible so AMD released the RX

5600 XT on Tuesday the 22nd and virtually everyone's been talking about nothing but the v-bios update from day zero so what went down is we had intended to do our 5600 XT content as like an overclocking experiment with the card because we'd gotten a wink and a nudge that there was a lot of as like an overclocking experiment with the card because we'd gotten a wink and a nudge that there was a lot of overclocking headroom. And I'm not going to say who the wink and nudge came from because I don't know how much of this communication is NDA'd.

But we had like a shot in the ribs and that there was a lot of overclocking headroom. You should probably do this, yeah. So we structured the entire video around that. And then we like found out about this VBIOS update. We got our card updated. So our numbers are fine, which was why I thought it was not a big deal

because I got the sequence of events out of order. I didn't know how last minute it was. And effectively we were still waiting on a response to find out like, what's the deal here is this vbios update a one shot thing on just this one particular card is it because we got like engineering samples yeah by the way we noticed that that overclocking headroom that was hinted at to us like well this vbios seems to take up a lot of it. So what? So anyway, but we went ahead.

We overclocked the card. We got better performance numbers with our overclocking testing. And what I didn't know, what I didn't realize because I spaced out while Anthony was talking to me about the situation, spaced out while Anthony was talking to me about the situation was that AMD didn't have a coherent plan for updating some of the cards that would go to end users that were already updated. Like to me, it was a nothing burger because I was like, who cares? We get pre-launch firmware updates all the time. As long as they're available to the end user, it doesn't matter because they will never see this pre-launch state of the product but in this case because updating the uh the bios of a graphics card is a

non-trivial matter for most users some people were going to end up stuck with it and so it was kind of a problem because they were going to watch a review like ours where we take this card that's fast at stock and even faster overclocked and it was going to be slower at stock even though it would theoretically have a bunch of overclocking headroom lots of people don't overclock their graphics cards i don't bother anymore mine still are but i understand why most people wouldn't i've just always really particularly enjoyed graphics card overclocking. I don't necessarily know why. I also mostly played Beat Saber, so... Hey, man, you were talking to me about the, like...

Literally runs on a quest. Yeah, that's fair. Well, no, because, okay, I was talking about how I wish that the polling rates for the tracking were higher. I was just saying, like, if there's a min-maxing Beat Saber player out there, it's probably you. I'm actually getting pretty good. There's reasonably popular songs that I'm getting

close to cracking top 100 for. That's pretty cool. And by the way, did Jaden have any response to my significantly higher score than his? No, you told me not to tell him. I did? Yeah. Oh no, I want him to know. Okay. Yeah. Oh, no, I want him to know. Okay.

Well, now he... Yeah, I want him to know. Now he knows. So Jaden, one of Luke's colleagues at Floatplane, and technically my colleague as well, even though Luke does most of the work, he went out of his way to crap on my parade at Luke's behest. At Luke's behest. Yeah.

I asked him if he could do it. When I was trying to full combo Supernova on Expert Plus and Beat Saber. And anyway, he did it, but he did it really sloppily, quite frankly. And my score is nearly 50,000 higher than his. So, and I have full comboed it now. So there you go, Jaden. There's your challenge. Anyway.

I have a screenshot too i have a proof screenshot so anthony was super upset about the situation with the 5600 xt because fortunately he had been busy with something else for the two days prior to the v bios update otherwise he would have basically had to do his testing twice yeah and then because the communication around the situation was so terrible we weren't able to message it correctly in our video because they were still like hey yeah let us look into this what do you mean let you look into it you know what you're doing yeah you have to know now so you so just tell us yeah and this is just the kind of sloppy stuff that is really frustrating for us where where it's like, just communicate.

You have one job as PR. Well, press relations. One job. To be fair, their one job is probably to mislead you in that moment. I don't think so. What's the point? It's going to blow up. Yeah, but your initial video sounds more positive.

Yeah, but my initial video doesn't have to be more or less positive. It can just be informative. Yeah. Hey, by the way, there's a handful of cards out there that have this vBios. Here's how you update it. I did a video about this seven years ago. But if they don't have a solution at all. But they do have a solution.

Yeah. Updating the vBios. I think, yeah. But they probably suspect most end users, even with your video from forever ago, aren't going to be able to do it. So, yeah. And upgrading vBioses on graphics cards is kind of scary. It is. Realistically, you should have a UPS.

Most people do not have a UPS. So that's what happened. I'm sorry I screwed it up. It was not Anthony's fault. I'm going to throw AMD under the bus a little bit here, but not directly, necessarily. Meanwhile, on Team Green, EVGA launched the RTX 2060 KO for $300 just prior to the embargo left

No 5600 XT at the time it seemed like hey look at me. We've got a low priced RTX 2060 Do do do do do do do I can be cheap to do do do do But gamers Nexus quickly discovered something interesting about it unlike previous RTX 2060s has quickly discovered something interesting about it. Unlike previous RTX 2060s, which used the TU106, which is a smaller actual die. It's a completely different GPU.

The RTX 2060 KO from EVGA, the specific card, used a TU104 derived GPU. So this is a bigger chip. It's an entirely different processor. It's the same one that's in the RTX 2080. And then it's just got some CUDA cores that are fused off in order to just hack it back down to RTX 2060 levels of performance. And it kind of sounds like binning, which it kind of is. These might have been, you know, bad to you one of course likely yeah yeah however it has performance implications for applications like blender where improvements are of up to 47 percent

are possible because architecturally the chip is actually quite different so it's unknown whether that gpu will make its way on to other sort of bargain basement 2060 cards evga was apparently not aware that they were receiving different gpus for the ko but i find that a little bit hard to believe yeah what how could you possibly not know that evga is a pretty um engineering centric company a lot of people think that evga is one of those like you know slap a slap our label on it and resell it type of company because in the early days, they were more like that. So, you know, back when I'm talking back when it was, you know, like BFG and EVGA

and I'm trying to remember who the heck else even existed at that point. BFG, but the reason why I miss BFG is entirely why they're gone. Taking advantage of their lifetime warranty? You monster. I did it too. They offered it. I mean, it's not my fault. Yeah.

They had a lifetime warranty. Anyway. So the point is, way back then, it was pretty common for just branding companies to just take graphics cards that were made by actual engineering companies and then figure out some other way to add value to it, whether it was through game bundles that they negotiated or T-shirts that they put in the box. Cool new sticker, a poster, and a game.

Or great customer service, whatever the case may be. But over the years, I mean, EVGA, if I recall correctly, they bought Chaintex Motherboard, or was it EPOS? I can't remember. They bought EPOX. EPOX. It was either EPOX or Chain or chain tech i don't know they bought one of them when that motherboard company that like ditched their enthusiast division or

something like that but they have actual engineers on staff now i find it very very hard to believe that given how deeply involved in the hardware and firmware engineering um overclocking tools, I find it very hard to believe that they accidentally put the wrong chip or didn't realize it was a completely different chip on their cards because they don't look the same. So here, hold on a second. That's what I was going to say is visually they're different. Yeah. Like it's not.

Here, let's find a die shot of a tu104 hopefully my screen works here okay so here's a tu104 unfortunately i can't see the die size i wish i could um tu106 die size. So anyway, that's the die. So TU106 is 445 millimeters square. TU104 die size. 545 millimeters square. They are physically a different size. Like if you just like look at them, they look different.

One of them is bigger i i just i find it very very hard to believe like your cooler would almost certainly change um not necessarily but the pcb would have to change it's a different chip so but isn't there more power delivery so one of the things that i think GamersNexus is still working on, you guys should definitely check out his follow-up coverage of this, is whether the TU106-based ones might have more overclocking headroom because it's a less power-hungry chip. Okay. So it might end up being a trade-off. No one's saying, like, don't buy it or anything because, you know, it's like, they're both

fine if all you're doing is gaming. You probably will never notice a difference. But if you're more interested in productivity, you might want to go for a TU104-based one. And if you're more interested in, like, I want to squeeze the maximum amount of overclocking potential out of this thing, you might be less likely to hit a power limitation on a TU106. Not confirmed yet, to my knowledge.

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Sorry, sorry. I'm going to have to shill for one second here. Hold on. What's it going to be about? LTTstore.com. Oh. Yeah, guys, we have a commemorative 10 million subscribers shirt.

So if you want to... Oh, it's sold as a pre-order. All shirts will be printed and shipped within three weeks, apparently. So there you go. It's a one-off. It's in our regular sizing. It's our regular type of shirt. Unlike the Floatplane Beta Squadron one, which was on all cotton.

I forget what the reason for that was. This one is on an american apparel um blended one so like just the it's completely normal shirt except it has this design on it so we're just gonna sell it for a limited period of time and then it's gone it's a pickaxe which a lot of people have asked about because diamond because 10 million wait they didn't understand it was a pickaxe well no they've asked why it has a pickaxe on it. And it was just like, I don't know, well, A, it just looks kind of cool. Yeah. And they were like, what, Minecraft?

I'm like, it doesn't look like a Minecraft pickaxe. It looks like a regular pick. These are not Minecraft diamonds. Diamonds aren't even valuable in Minecraft. Do you know how hard it is to get a diamond play button? Diamonds are pretty valuable in Minecraft. Are they? I thought they weren't that valuable compared to, like, rubies. Uh,

they're still pretty valuable. Okay, what's more valuable than diamonds? In Minecraft? Yeah. I'm not a Minecraft veteran enough. Um... Okay. But... But there's probably some stuff. I don't know. I thought diamonds were just, like, kind of crap. I don't know. I thought diamonds were just like kind of crap.

They're definitely not kind of crap. I know that much. We are finally getting somewhat close to the Minecraft server launching. I will say, we had a little thing the other day. Yeah. Volter has a one-button setup for that. They don't have a one button set up for Like a video streaming so you know what I was just gonna say I've actually come up with what I think is a very clever New nickname for the lead on that project. I'm gonna call him floatplane Jake

Not bad, I remember when he told me it was going to launch in December. Okay. So I'm not trying to dig. What is the holdup? In his defense, it's like actually on a completely different level from what we initially set out to do. I'm sure, or else it would have been up in a day, because I've seen him put up Minecraft servers before. So I know there's stuff going on, because I have played on servers that Jake has put up.

There's all these game modes, and there's this hub that you land in, and it's like a whole giant thing. So he's really going to town. All this load balancing between multiple instances and crap. That server that we built to be the ultimate Minecraft server, it's completely dismantled. We're hosting it out of a data center um we may end up reassembling that and there's a data center that we might be able to send it to okay so we could so just so that we could claim

the moral victory technically involved of that some of our players are actually playing on it. Okay. But no. It's apparently, and I have seen some stuff, it looks really legit. It's like not just a Minecraft server. Okay. It's like pretty cool. The bad news is that it has actually taken

a significant amount of resources. So while our initial intent was for it to just be like, LOL, you know, everyone just play on it, we're going to have donations and stuff. That's why I've been confused, is because I remember when it was like, oh yeah, it's live, everyone's playing on it, we're going to make some tiny tweaks and it's going to be done on Monday. No. I've had this experience a lot at Floatplane. Yeah.

So, I get it so the scope of the project changed yeah quite dramatically and really um without my explicit approval um you know kind of like how the whole thing started without my explicit approval like i like i said yeah you know like let's okay here's where I run into trouble. I said, yeah, let's do it up right. And Jake took that to mean let's do it up the rightest. Let's do it up perfect. Yeah.

So what I really meant was, you know, hey, I want to make sure that a but you know a couple hundred people that come on it are going to be like yeah this is not total crap it's pretty sweet i have a new new minecraft home yeah yeah not even that like i just want to chill with like other definitely i know they are like tech geeks and we're gonna like build video cards in minecraft or whatever like i just wanted it to be like a minecraft server he's trying to build the mine Like I just wanted it to be like a Minecraft server. He's trying to build the Minecraft server. He wants it to be people's new homes. And I'm like, okay, sure.

He's been pitching us getting into like game server hosting basically since he started. He's super passionate about it. And my whole thing is that like i tell people hey if you have a passion project i want to do my best to support it and so every once in a while somebody asks me to put up or shut up and you're like oh and i'm like well jake has ended up writing um i don't two videos in the last like eight weeks or something

like that because he has been actually hammering away at this or should I say pickaxing away at it. Hey! Got him! Oh boy. So yeah. We're gonna do our best. Anyway. Sounds like when I wanted

to film WTF is Going On With, that two-video series that I did. Yes. Yes. And I had extremely low production for a very long time. Yes, you did. Yeah.

I watched those recently, and I'm still pretty proud of them. Good. So that's cool. Good. I had to pick up a lot of slack for a little bit there, but I was happy to do it. Happy to do it. So anyway, it has an axe on it.

It has a pickaxe on it. It has nothing to do with Minecraft. We do have a Minecraft server coming. It's totally unrelated. And by the way, this is 10 million in binary, which I think is cute. I think it's cool once you know, which is cool, but it's really misleading at the beginning. What do you think it is? I didn't know. Well, it's not misleading at the beginning um what do you think it's what do you think it is i didn't know well it's not misleading it just doesn't lead you anywhere sure doesn't lead you down the wrong path or does it did you think it was like well no i just yeah

so i guess you're right because i was just like what yeah um one thing is that this picture is not exactly no so it's kind of got, like, a weathered look, like it does in... Yeah. On our shirts, which is actually kind of hard to see on camera. So, yeah, there's, like, kind of, like, some holes in the printing.

It's not really... To give it kind of like that... Yeah, it's not really intense weathering, but it's enough that it looks like it's kind of, like, rough-hewn, you know? Yeah. Like, you went out and you got that diamond yourself, and your pickaxe is worn now.

Yeah, but you didn't. Yeah. Because it's hard. Unless, I don't know, like PewDiePie is watching or something, which he's not, because he's on vacation. Yeah. All right, so let's move on to more tech top hacks. Yeah, in terms of the, like, random news articles saying you retired,

it just felt extremely pewdie pie yeah it's all the pewdiepie ones are like he quit he didn't quit he didn't say he was gonna quit no i mean in fairness to them he does like actually play that clickbait game and his was a little bit more misleading my whole channel you know like that kind of thing. This is rough. He did, technically. This was posted by SpartaMan64 on the forum. Virtually every Lenovo ThinkPad since 2017 apparently has defective USB-C ports. Nice.

So there's an official Lenovo support page outlining at least three dozen affected models, and symptoms include the USB-C port simply not working, the Thunderbolt controller disappearing from device manager hdmi output failure and even hanging during post said to occur within 6 to 12 months of typical usage there's a preventative driver update for affected models but there's no word on what that entails exactly for performance and power delivery once the issue presents itself only a motherboard swap will fix it that is pretty rough especially for a brand that is known for building tanks that are disguised as computers

yeah you gotta give Lenovo a little bit of a shout out for consistently giving us news topics thank you guys from your motherboards having spyware built into them to USB ports not not working I appreciate it uh EU and Google propose a ban on facial recognition the

EU is considering a new law that would prevent private and public actors from using facial recognition in public spaces for a definitive period like three to five years Microsoft says it's bad because they're developing facial recognition. You don't say. They say you don't ban it if you actually believe there's a reasonable alternative that will enable us to, say,

address this problem with a scalpel instead of a meat cleaver, said Brad Smith, Microsoft president. Google supports the move. Which is interesting to me. Which is shocking. Yeah. I think it's important that governments and regulators tackle it sooner rather than later and give a framework for it although in light of some of the recent fines that they've received some of which have actually been

more than a slap on the wrist like the copper one um i can see why google might say well yeah okay fine why don't you lay out your stupid ground rules and then we'll go and like innovate a bunch of stuff. We'll wait. Instead of the other way around. Yeah. Yeah. No, that kind of does make sense from their angle, I guess.

I think it's... Oh, man, I'm torn, actually. So... So this is private and public. Does this include government? Because I know... Yes. UK is, like, super well-known for just having cameras everywhere.

Yeah, so this would be uh in public spaces okay yes so you would still be able to develop it and test it just not in public spaces in your store or wherever else alex apparently put some of his own thoughts in here says this is a really good idea um but counterintuitively the the accuracy of facial recognition apparently drops as you add more faces to the pool, but that would also get better as the algorithms continue to learn. Yeah, it gets better when you add more of one face, but it doesn't get better when you add more of a bunch of faces. If that makes sense. So, yeah, there's a lot of issues with facial recognition uh here's a fun example at uh the

nodding hill carnival where two million people attended the police used facial recognition to try to find wanted criminals 96 people were flagged and only one was actually wanted and had already been arrested so it's obvious there's a lot of work to be done but my sort of flip side argument to this, and take this as someone who has already completely given up their privacy and shares their innermost thoughts on the internet. So like, you know, for me, it's like, not only has the ship sailed, it like came back and then like sailed again and came back.

It's a ferry, you know, it's like... Daily trips. Yeah, yeah. You know, from my point of view... Which probably a surprising amount of the audience is actually in a pretty similar space, considering the things that they use. I'd love for it to just be better,

but the flip side of that is that I don't live somewhere where my government is oppressing me. With that said, no government that is going to use facial recognition to oppress its citizens is going to use facial recognition to oppress its citizens is going to even consider accepting this ban anyway so it's a completely academic conversation in that case get real china's going to be like yeah let's ban it in public spaces for three or five there's a large variety of different types of oppression i think people might take uh

i don't know where i'm going with that sentence but i think people might take I don't know where I'm going with that sentence but I think people might go against that they think that a government that intends to use it for repression is going to ban its use in public spaces to itself no no no you said or maybe you didn't say this I thought you said

repression in general not just this form oh just repression in general but there's like form. Oh, just repression in general. Yeah. Yeah. So, like. But there's, like, different kinds. So they might be like, yeah, okay, let's not use facial recognition, but we're still going

to do this. Yeah, no, no, no. I just mean I live somewhere where I get to enjoy a very high level of personal freedom. Yeah. So I, you know, for me, it's very easy to say, like, yeah, I just want the tech to get better so that in the event that they are looking for someone who you know is running around with a meat cleaver children that they can catch them real fast they should add meat cleaver recognition I I don't think anyone's necessarily good I don't think anyone's

necessarily gonna stop developing this in the background though no no they're not use might halt yeah and I think it will stall development probably because it would be a little bit harder to test on wide scale it'll make it more difficult with that said i totally agree that if your development plan is to just use it on unwitting like guinea pigs who are wandering around in the street that's a bad plan yeah so you know what there pay some pay some random citizens to come around and walk around in like an arena mark down this day mark down this day i changed my opinion between the start of a topic and the end i already thought it was like a good idea but i was like well here's this counter argument i no longer have a counter argument i like it let's just nuke it for a few

years keep developing it sort of quietly in the background i'm gonna flip sides just to try to I no longer have a counter argument. I like it. Let's just nuke it for a few years. Keep developing it sort of quietly in the background. I'm going to flip sides just to try to drag you back. You have got to be kidding me. No. No, I don't want to do this. So somewhere that they don't ban this, those companies that operate out of those areas will now have an advantage. So you're saying like Chinese companies are going to have this immense advantage in like AI and machine learning facial recognition.

Oh, crap. So then is there like what are you actually really helping then? Because it's not going to be banned everywhere. All right, I'm back. I'm back. It's just being banned in the EU. I'm back on board. Don't ban it. It's not even right now being proposed to be banned in the US. Nope, I'm back. Yeah. I'm back. Okay. Don't ban it. It's not even right now being proposed to be banned in the US. Nope. I'm back. Yeah.

I'm back. Okay. Forget it. You win. You win twice. How does it feel? That was awesome. I like it.

You were just waiting to do that, weren't you? A little bit. The whole time. Yeah. You monster. We did bring up L2D Store and we did bring up the shirts.

All right. I don't remember if you said that they're a really limited edition. I did. Okay. And we have limited stock as well. We have All right. I don't remember if you said that they're a really limited edition. I did. Okay. And we have, like, limited stock as well. We have limited stock.

I didn't know that. As much as we're ever limited. You know what I mean? Like... I have no idea what that means. These aren't going to last forever, and they will run out. Oh, okay.

Oh, do we just have, like, not that many blank shirts right now? We did notice that there's... It's, like like a pre-order thing yes so is there yeah like is there a limit to our blank shirts yeah oh i thought we had lots of stock of black yeah but the way they're being ordered right now we're not gonna have that much stock of black oh i see we need to get more black shirts there aren't any right so okay okay so business talk it's hard to get enough shirts in canada basically so if anyone from american apparel is watching

can you please fix that that would be be great. Thanks. Because we really like your shirts, but you're making it very hard for us to use them. There. That was my sincere call for help. Clip it. Yeah. Clip it. Clip it. Full send.

Do you want to talk about your experience with the blank shirts we were working on? Yeah. So we've been working on a replacement and we had what we thought was a really promising candidate. The actual, like, feel of the material, the breathability, uh, seemed really good. And then, um, we got, we got, uh, photos of the shop where they were being made and everything seemed on the up and up. We hadn't actually, like, visited it yet, but we got another set of samples.

And I, like, I put it on, like visited it yet, but we got another set of samples, and I put it on kind of like one more time. I put it on one more time, and I was like, doing things I wouldn't normally do, and I took the bottom of the shirt, and I went like this, and all the thread tore. All the thread broke, and I was like, well I'm sure glad we caught that

before we actually booked a plane ticket out there and went to have a look at the factory. I've never once had that happen. That's not something i do all the time but that's going to happen yeah it's going to get snagged on something or whatever else spec choice that we have to fix yeah yeah and i've had american apparel shirts break but never that easily and i like went around the whole thing and i was like just like breaking all the thread i was like nick come on over here pull on this and he pulls on it. And he pulls on it. It's like. Like, okay.

So there's more to building a decent shirt than you guys might probably realize. But we're working on it. Yeah, we're working on it. Anyway, if you like these shirts, get one because they won't be here forever. Yeah, you heard him, ladies and gentlemen. And these are the kind of, and I've said this off camera too,

this is probably the kind of shirt I would grab because it's a cool commemorative kind of thing. Speaking of cool commemorative things, Sonos is creating a commemorative pile of still working electronics that don't work and they're in a landfill anyway. So that's pretty lame. Some of their oldest devices

are no longer going to receive updates as of May 2020. So as a result, they will eventually no longer work as services continue to change because they're not going to receive updates. They're not explicitly bricking them. They're just saying, hey, they might stop working at some point. They're offering two options for affected users.

Option one, continue using these legacy products, recognizing that your system will no longer receive updates and new features, including by the way, security updates, which have been a big problem for IoT and connected devices in general. Option number two, trade up to a new Sonos product with a 30% credit for every legacy product you replace, which is all fine and good, except for one big problem.

Sonos doesn't allow you to continue to use or anyone to continue to use the still working device that you have. They actually push an update to it that bricks it. I believe in, is it 30 days? I forget what what exactly the time period is um yeah i think this sucks yeah basically like i understand why you don't want to support a product forever but a speaker is something that i kind of felt like was different in the sense that yeah go ahead speakers and sound equipment in general are kind of that thing where like if you if your dad inherited it from his dad and then like gave it to you when he bought a new set or something like that you kind of expect it to still work and they're probably still really nice um like sound equipment does kind of stick around so

it's it's weird seeing them treated like a commodity and not just a commodity but like disposable even when they still work and the problem with these speakers and it's really highlighting an issue with smart devices in general is that you have no control over how long they still work for and once the company decides that they're not going to work anymore, they have no purpose whatsoever because Sonos doesn't have just like a regular like jack in or RCA in. Um, so they actually do get completely useless. I remember criticizing Apple back when they launched the iMac 5k for for not having a monitor mode on it. What's up? Oh, this is good. So I just checked something.

Sonos CEO responds to backlash. Oh, this is great. How wonderful. That's a cool twist. We'll continue to update legacy products. So let's read this on Android Central. Sonos recently announced it would be ending following backlash.

They assure us they won't be bricked in any way. Also working on a way to split your system between old and current devices in the event that they do need to develop new features that rely on new hardware. Many of you have invested heavily. We intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won't get new software features,

we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. That seems entirely reasonable to me. Okay. Worked off an alternative solution if it runs into something core to the experience. We heard that on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist

within your home, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Well, that's something. I do wonder, wonder though if it's just kind of delaying the inevitable i don't wonder i mean it seems like it's just delaying the inevitable and it is very frustrating to see products designed in such a way that they're eventually going to be worth nothing and useless even though they still function um so i criticized apple over the imac 5k because they did away with a mode that existed

on previous iMacs that allowed you to use it as a monitor at least once the hardware inside was too decrepit to... Because the screen is awesome. Because the screen is awesome. I was like, wow, I love this screen. This thing's so great. Could I just use it on my PC as a monitor because I don't like macOS?

The most expensive one. The answer was no and it was really frustrating for me because it basically just means that that thing is e-waste once you're done, and displays are terrible. Like, terrible. They're basically impossible to recycle in any meaningful way because of the way that all the layers are laminated together. I have an update.

Yeah, what can I do for you? On the WoW thing. Really? Are you still banned? Yes. Oh. I finally got in a live chat with someone. The callout on the last WAN show, as far as I can tell, did effectively nothing.

But I finally got in a live chat with someone which was surprisingly difficult to do he opens it up saying I understand you wish to appeal your suspension is this correct I said yeah although even if that fails I'd really like just to understand what actually went wrong because I have no idea and talked about how I play with my dad and stuff he said looks like the suspension has already been upheld

we will not be able to discuss it any further I was like okay ignore the appeal can we just talk He said, looks like the suspension has already been upheld. We will not be able to discuss it any further. I was like, okay, ignore the appeal. Can we just talk about, like, what actually happened? Because I still don't know. Are you chatting with this person? Live chat. I still don't know, and I'd like to, like, understand so I don't get banned again in the future.

And he said, we do not discuss that info with players. I said, I'm confused. He said, again, we do not give any details beyond what is emailed to you. Those details can be used to make you more undetectable. I said, I'm not trying to be undetectable. He says, cool. Then you understand why we do not give any further details and cannot discuss this further. Was there any additional questions or concerns I can take a look at before we part ways?

I said, I don't really understand how to move forward. Although I guess if that's all you can say, we're done. He said, you're welcome to play on another account or access this one in six months. I said, well, I'm rather scared that would get banned too. He said, if you fear that what you normally do in game will get you suspended, then you may want to take a second look at what you're doing in game. I said, the email specifically said it's an external program, not what I do in-game will get you suspended, then you may want to take a second look at what you're doing in-game. I said the email specifically said it's an external program, not what I do in-game.

And then he said, since this is not something we are going to discuss any further, and you have brought up no other issues, I must be on my way. Chat closed. Hands down, the worst customer support experience I have ever had in my life. Horrible.

What? Completely horrible. What an asshole. Yeah, pretty much. I still have no idea what happened. And I love how, like, they clearly don't care because I can play on another account officially yeah you're gonna give them more money but like right I just what the whole

thing is just ridiculous because normally like and I'm not trying to remove this option but normally there's like ban evasion is a bad thing. Yeah. Like, if you get banned temporarily or permanently off of the forum, ban evasion is something we look into. Yeah, it's very serious. Yeah. And, like, ban evasion on a temporary ban can lead to a permanent ban. Yes.

And they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, that's fine. You can go ahead and play. You can go play some on a different account. That's no problem. Just not the one that we banned and you're getting that one back in half a year This whole thing just none of it. I still have no idea what even happened. I don't know what program it was I don't know if it was VPNing for work. I don't know if it was some other program for work. Who knows? I just thought yeah I

just throw that update out there I just probably burnt whatever bridge was possible but that's fine I just thought it was worth airing wow well thanks Blizzard thanks guys you guys are super awesome you provided two topics for the WAN show John Doe Keck says Luke hire a lawyer and sue Blizzard to force

disclosure you have got to be kidding me for the WAN show. John Dokek says, Luke, hire a lawyer and sue Blizzard to force disclosure. You have got to be kidding me. No. It really doesn't work that way. Even if it did, no. I'm not hiring a lawyer over that WoW account. Yeah.

I mean, all we can really do is just say that that's really stupid. In my opinion, ridiculous form of communication. I can't believe that Blizzard account has been open

for an extremely long time. That WoW account was from the beta of the original launch of WoW. Like, I've been a customer of theirs for a long time. I've bought basically every Blizzard product. I've played every game they've released. And they are treating you like dog crap. Yeah.

It's crazy. It's crazy. Yep. I feel very, very strongly about our float plane customer support at this point. Tiago TGM says, Luke, just play the superior MMO, Final Fantasy XIV. No, I just, I don't really have an interest in any MMO outside of that one, to be honest. Like, that one particularly brings my family together really nicely. Right. So that's a huge part of the draw there for me.

I don't know. Alright. I gotta go, guys. Waifu has a tummy ache and needs to be driven home, so thank you guys very much. I will try to go through a couple of super chats here. Can't do all of them, but... I really can't do all of them. There are far too many.

Thanks, Ritz Blitz. Thanks Cole. Oh wait, I heard you talk about Microsoft Teams. What are your thoughts on Office 365 versus G Suite? We actually do use both. They're both very different for different things. I don't know, Teams kind of sucks. They actually, they cover a lot of similar things.

Ed, are you trying to send me a message or tell me something or thumbnail? Oh, you want me to approve a thumbnail? Can I, can I see? But a lot of the things that they cover that are similar, one of them is way better at one than the other. Thank you. So it's still quite beneficial to have both. Like having Word and Excel is actually quite useful. Even above docs Sheets. There's things you can do in Excel that you can't really do in Sheets. Yeah. And there's certain Excel Sheets that don't really translate well into Google Sheets, so having Excel is still really powerful.

But then Gmail is, like, fantastic. Jason, Carpool Critics is coming back to Floatplane. Don't worry, it's all good. I already yelled at them. Okay, so that's it thanks guys oh yeah if you're looking for a movie podcast to watch check out carpool critics it's uh james riley and uh david's baby they feel very strongly that it is awesome and i actually have listened to more episodes of carpool critics than i have any other podcast ever combined uh

because i listen to everyone and i don't really listen to podcasts um so yeah go check it out um a week ago was parasite um the top three movies of the decade one has actually done really well seems like people were really into that one my personal favorite so far was probably terminator dark fate actually oh they don't have joker up on here joker's up on floatplane i don't know if they intend to actually release that one on uh libsyn but go check it out it's on cool pretty much every podcast platform that matters so yeah sweet all right see you guys thanks for tuning in bye see you next week same bad time same bad channel bye oh crap this one so many people in chat saying they would sue

that's just as unreasonable as their customer report yeah basically and also just like a fundamental misunderstanding of how how that works

they don't they don't yeah they don't like have to give me that information yeah They don't, yeah, they don't, like, have to give you that information. Yeah. What up?