The WAN Show - I Can’t Believe I’m Still Talking About Honey - WAN Show January 3, 2025
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Visit superstore.ca to get started. What's up everyone? Hello! Welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a great WAN Show lined
up for you guys today. I went on vacation. That's who you know is going to be a great
show. Well no, I went on vacation taco that might make it one of the better shows
I'm gonna talk about my vacation. Yeah, I also can't believe I'm still gonna be talking about honey
Yeah, but there are actual updates some pretty exciting updates, so we'll be talking about that
The create the creator community there. They're coming after honey. They believe you can catch more honey with vinegar
Yeah, fly you magnificent creators. What else we got today?
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Why don't we kick things right off with I can't believe I'm still talking about honey. I honestly did a terrible job of this segment last week which is, you know,
par for the course for me, which is great. The reality of it was I hadn't slept very
much and the reality of it is I didn't sleep much this week either. I went to Europe this week.
I left and came back from Europe this week.
So that should give you some idea of where,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Yeah.
Where I'm at right now, anyway.
We dropped Honey as a sponsor three years ago
because we learned about their link hijacking.
Link hijacking sucked for us,
but as far as we knew then, had no impact on the user.
We had no idea about the alleged other misdeeds
until that story broke last month.
In hindsight, it is possible
that if we had made a video three years ago,
it could have saved creators some money.
Given that the vast majority of creators, however,
stopped working with
them around that same time, I don't know that for sure. What I do know is that if
we'd made that video, it might not have gone very well for us. Like, for instance,
I'm gonna interject here, this isn't in the notes. What you're referring to as
honey is in fact... bee shit plus honey. Sorry. Go ahead. No, it's, uh, like at that that time yeah, okay, we could have made a video we were being inundated with links and
Shares and whatever about this from other creators at the time well
I know it didn't get a crazy much. I'm talking to them. Oh, yeah, it didn't get a crazy amount of views
It didn't blow up like this. Yeah, I think probably because it wasn't set to ominous music that time
Well, and it was it was anti creator not anti user at that time sure so most the creators that I knew
Knew about it, and we're also getting spammed about it because like it was tweeted to me back
Then the bigger issue is that if we had made a video it may have actually been a really bad look for us
Think about it if I made a video, it may have actually been a really bad look for us. Think about it. If I made
a video imploring our audience to uninstall an extension that purportedly, remember, we
have to look at it in terms of the information we had at the time. If I told everybody, uninstall
honey, an extension that supposedly gets them a better deal because I wasn't making enough money from it?
Do you really honestly ask yourself truly think that would have gone good for me?
The... I'm gonna interject again with another weird thing.
Like when we first started if you monetized anything to any degree, even if you turned on ads on YouTube at all,
which you could turn them off back then,
and it would actually work, you would be flamed.
Now four years ago, that wasn't the case anymore.
But I think the point Luke's trying to make is this.
It's changed over time.
This perception, this acceptance of creators
needing to make money.
I mean, the number of comments we'd get in the early days,
like, get a real job!
That doesn't happen anymore at all.
Now people ask for ads on Twitch and stuff girl yeah yeah and it's a very very
different mentality we have to put ourselves in the frame of mind of what
things were like four years ago and four years ago if I'd said uninstall this
extension that gets you a better deal so I don't get my affiliate revenue I
don't flayed I'd have gotten destroyed Look how much flack I take if I remind people that ad blocking is piracy,
in that it circumvents compensating the creator.
Watch how predictably the chat is going to blow up,
saying that that's totally different.
It's not totally different.
It's a little different. It's related though.
It's very closely related. Definitely related, yeah. And everyone's mad at different. It's related though. It's very closely related
Yeah, and everyone's mad at me. It's that simple the I'm spreading the word for the smaller creators
That argument doesn't save me there
And it's not going to save me if I tell people to uninstall this extension that gets them a better deal so that smaller
But you can make it good creators can get their affiliate revenue
Are you kidding me? There is just no way that I make that video
and I don't end up hanging from the nearest tree.
I mean, now that we found out
that honey is harming the consumer,
obviously, fuck them, like obviously.
But again, we didn't,
and I don't know how many times I have to say this.
We didn't know about that.
We didn't say anything because we didn't know about that.
And we had no reason to.
And that's another thing.
We don't shout it from the rooftops
every time we stop working with a sponsor
and neither does anybody.
That is such a weird, bizarre expectation
that some people seem to have.
We've stopped, well, that's a very modern thing too
on YouTube.
The company expose a thing I think is fairly different. some people seem to have. And we've stopped, well that's a very modern thing too, on YouTube. Is it?
The like, company expose a thing I think is fairly different.
Do you expect the NFL to like, replace Monday Night Football with a three hour special about
not using Surface tablets anymore when the sponsorship ends?
Of course not!
That would be spectacularly unprofessional!
We've stopped working with a bunch of different sponsors because of getting customer reports
from our viewers, how they had bad experiences with them. We didn't, you know, we didn't
show from the rooftops, we just stopped working with them.
Yeah. And if they clean up their act, we might start working with them again.
Hopefully that's the case, to be honest.
And again, and oh my God, this piece is so important for everyone who somehow missed
it before. It turns out we didn't need to make that video because plenty of other creators stopped working with honey around the same time
We did just because nobody else or some people didn't notice
There was a big news cycle around this and it was read like wildfire
No, but it was a big deal, I remember. But creators knew. We found out.
We found out multiple times by being bombarded.
That's how we found out. There was also a lot of creators individually sharing it between each other,
but not like with links through texts or whatever, not as videos. Another major thing that I missed last week
is that, yeah, as we said in our response to Mega Leg,
obviously this situation raises the question of,
should we look at our policy of leaving our sponsor spots
in our videos in perpetuity?
That has been what we've done traditionally,
because as you know, I've always been a bit of a,
well, once it's out there, it's out there kind of person.
I don't believe in deleting our, I don't believe in deleting our history.
I don't believe in revising our history.
Yeah, evergreen's also less of a thing now.
However, that's true.
And also this situation where it turns out it was harmful
is clearly something we haven't really had to tackle before.
Like at worst, our sponsor spots have ended up like outdated, right? But yeah, that's something,
but that's a decision that is not the kind of thing that we just do immediately.
You also have to work with YouTube on that. No, no that can be done. Oh you can trim it?
You can trim it, but it's it's very manual, it's very tedious, it screws up
things like closed captions sometimes. So it's, so it's very tedious it screws up things like closed captions sometimes so it's so it's it screws up timestamps so it's not
cut and dried either yeah so it'll like it'll it'll screw up the timestamps on
every single WAN show that honey ever sponsored which this may surprise you
but a lot of people go back and watch old WAN show I don't get it either but
they do our discussion'll never understand.
Our discussion question. Are we joining the class action started by Legal Eagle?
The TLDR here is that Legal Eagle has posted a video
announcing a class action lawsuit against Honey
on behalf of any creators that may have been impacted
by Honey's actions.
As far as I can tell, that would be basically
any creator that ever used affiliate links.
And I mean, I know the answer to this,
but what are your thoughts on that?
Should we join the class action?
Well, there's actually a line here that says
impacted creators can visit honeylawsuit.com to join,
but maybe talk to a lawyer before you do,
and I would lean on that.
We're not gonna be joining regardless.
Maybe we should talk to a lawyer before we do, okay.
No, I've talked about this before,
but I'm not particularly litigious.
It's not really my way.
I tend to see lawsuits and in particular,
class action lawsuits as a mechanism to enrich lawyers
and really not much of anyone else.
That's very true.
You're gonna get like five bucks from this.
You might get more.
There are class actions where the payout is like a thousand bucks and you know maybe even
more.
I don't know.
What I can tell you now though is that I doubt that's going to happen.
What I suspect is that this is this this could very well end up just being for show.
Like I kind of doubt that this is going to go anywhere.
But if it does go somewhere, hey, you know what?
F*** PayPal sideways.
This whole thing totally sucked.
And especially now that we know so much more of what they're doing with Honey, it's obviously
lame.
But it's just not my not my style guys I I
Have never had to sue anybody and I would like to keep yeah I would like to keep it that way as long as possible
I've been put in uncomfortable positions before in the past where it seemed like it was
kind of an inevitability
But every time we have been able to find a resolution resolution which is always the way that I would prefer to go
And so yeah, this is this is just not really my not really my shdoyle drop PayPal on the LTT store
I don't think that's viable. I think that would be too much. Yeah self-damage. Thank you for the suggestion
I will file it away with all of the other suggestions. I would love if
PayPal stopped really being a thing though. I would love if that I
As someone who has to let's take crypto. Oh, no as someone as someone who has to deal with taking PayPal payments
It's not awesome
There are better credit card processors these days.
They used to be a big problem.
Another reason why people argue for PayPal is often
because it's a easy way to have your card saved.
But there are other ways to do that.
You can save your card in password managers.
You can do other things like that
where you can still auto fill and be easier for you.
There are ways around it.
We will still support PayPal
because it makes us too much money.
PayPal absolutely enables us to make money
as creators in that context, taking payments on the store,
but what it also does is it enables people
who don't necessarily have credit cards
to purchase from LTT store.
When we have PayPal disabled, and actually.
People rage, this is like, the community would be very mad more more recently
We encountered this when the hex OS launched
Ashtec reached out to me. They were like, yeah, we had no idea how important PayPal was very important
We didn't really have wasn't we didn't really have all the
Reconciliations figured out on the back end for like how the money was supposed to flow and how to
account for it and everything
It's a thing
It's a thing because you might get money in like different currencies and stuff like it's a whole
It's a whole thing accepting a new payment method is not just turn on another payment methods. It's not that simple
So they just like they hadn't figured out some of the back-end stuff for themselves, but they were like fuck it
We'll turn it on
Because so many people were in a back-end with your questing. Yeah, okay. No no no no not that not that back
I was like
Yeah, cuz they're still a really small company. Yeah
So anyway, they were being inundated with requests to turn it on they turn it on like immediately like floodgates open
Oh, yes, there's a lot of people who just people are completely diehard paypal paypal
We've tried to get away from it before and people were very unhappy like it says if you want a really fast way to
piss your users off
Do that?
But I mean if you independently stop using it and start shifting to other things hey nice
independently stop using it and start shifting to other things. Hey nice. Not gonna be unhappy about that. Backend requests asks crusty trombone
whatever did happen to the only fans? Anyway in summary honey bad, obviously. LTT bad, I guess.
Yeah.
Sure.
Whatever.
I fully expect that to be Dick Serto's headline this time.
Linus says LTT bad.
Well, I mean, it's one of those funny things
where it's like, on the one hand,
they kind of try to be like real creator news or whatever
And like kind of journalism, but on the other hand they just like make obvious mistakes like I saw
Isn't that journalism these days?
Well, maybe they're legit
Their article from last week alluded to the gamers nexus video that prompted Linus to step down as CEO and hire Taran Tong
Oh wow. It's like that's not the series of events at all.
No.
No.
I actually stepped down months before.
Yeah.
But it's amazing how many people do think that,
because-
Well, probably more now.
Well, yeah.
Because they didn't bother to, like,
I don't know, fact check anything,
which is ironic.
I definitely appreciate the irony here.
Oh man.
Okay, let's get Linus away from this topic.
Do you want to talk about vacation?
No.
Oh, okay.
Sure, actually it was great.
One downer, remember the RGB coat?
Yeah.
Okay, I couldn't find the right battery bank.
I went to the Apple store.
Wait, it needs a specific battery bank? It needs a super find the right battery bank I went to the Apple store
it needs a super high-powered PD battery bank so I went to the Apple store to try
and buy the most powerful battery bank that they had in order to power it
because I wanted to wear that light up RGB fur coat to Joseph and the amazing
Technicolor dreamcoat in Edinburgh anyway so I go to the Apple store and
I'm like okay I need well need, well, first things first,
I don't see any products in here that are third party.
Do you not carry accessories?
They carry accessories at my Apple store at home.
They're like, oh, we got a second floor for that.
I go, oh, wow, okay.
So I go upstairs and it's all accessory land.
I go and I find Battery Bank land and I'm like,
like really, oh shoot, who was the bloody brand mofie mofie so I pick up this mofie
Battery bank, which is like two hundred pounds
Not wait. No, I know. Yeah, anyway, so it's two hundred. It's the same
It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money and I'm looking at the thing. I'm going
This doesn't even say like what voltages and amperages it supports it just says I think it said
That's pretty basic. Did it say 45 watts?
I think it might have but it didn't but it didn't get into like exactly break it down
And so so I go to ask someone I'm like hey this seems to be a demo box because it's like a shared box for two
Different capacities, and she's like no no that's the box like that's the box. I'm like that that, this seems to be a demo box because it's like a shared box for two different capacities. And she's like, no, no, that's the box.
Like that's the box.
I'm like, that doesn't really make any sense.
Can you bring me this one?
The like the non plus one, whatever the smaller one,
because I didn't want to spend another 50 pounds.
So she brings it to me and no,
it is not in fact the same box.
It is a box for that product,
but it still didn't have like the PD specs on it.
And I'm like, okay,, I'm pretty sure this supports PD
because it's like 45 watts or whatever,
but I would like to know exactly,
it doesn't have a breakdown.
She's like, well, do you need, well, it's for Mac.
And I'm like, no, no, I mean, it doesn't matter.
It's really eye-opening going shopping
in a normal store for normal people,
because literally you can be an accessory salesperson
at the Apple store and not know what power delivery,
like PD power delivery is, USB-C PD,
because it's just for iPhone or for Mac.
And if it's for iPhone, it doesn't have PD,
and if it's for Mac, it has to have and if it's for Mac it has to have PD
In fact, did it even say how many watts I don't even I don't even remember there was a reason that I needed
More information about it anyway. I bought it and unfortunately it wasn't enough
So it was like flashing like would have been seizure inducing potentially on one side of it
So I didn't get to wear it to the play
But the good news is it was amazing. Okay, the set design and production
values were like a high school musical. They were terrible. Like, actually, it was like we found a
scrap, some scraps of cloth, and we kind of stretched them out, and that's a desert now.
You know, we, whatever. It was awful. But I didn't figure out until after I didn't actually know the history of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. So it was written by Andrew Lloyd Webber, who's known for, you know, small plays you may have never heard of like cats, Phantom of the Opera, and things like that. But it was actually written as a high school musical. And it was written when he was very young. He collaborated with Tim Rice.
It was only 20 minutes in its initial iteration.
It was because someone like desperately needed a play that they could put on.
They were like, I don't know, some Bible story. We'll just do that. That's,
that's how it started, which I didn't know. So the more I've thought about it,
the more I've gone, maybe that was,
maybe that was on purpose because they clearly did not cheap out on the
production overall.
The cast was phenomenal.
I don't think you've ever seen Joseph.
Yeah, okay.
Well, if you have, you'll know that the narrator is actually in some ways the bigger star of
the show than Joseph himself.
And she was fabulous.
She was absolutely incredible. She crushed it.
She was so funny.
She actually ended up playing Jacob, Joseph's father as well,
just with like a beard.
So she'd like sing his part and then sing her part.
And it sounds really bad.
And at that point, like very early in the play,
I was still a little concerned about the like perceived
production values and set design and like,
okay, so they didn't bother to cast anyone for Jacob, this is very interesting. But she
absolutely killed it. Joseph was pretty good, but it kind of doesn't really matter. And
then the real reason that I was there, the real reason that I got off of my butt, got
onto a plane, flew all the way to Scotland, to Edinburgh to see this, was that it was
Donny Osmond's last performance.
I actually didn't know until we were in the middle of his performance.
He broke character.
He broke the fourth wall and talked about how emotional it was for him and how much
he loves this show.
He did 2,000 performances as Joseph back in the 90s.
I saw him as Joseph in the 90s.
It was one of the first musicals I saw.
It's like a core memory for me, because it was so good.
I like bought the album in the lobby, listened to it over and over and over and over and over again.
Like it was one of those things, right?
So he like breaks the fourth wall, talks about how cool it is to be like back as
Pharaoh now, not as Joseph. So he plays the Pharaoh, the older guy. He gives Joseph on screen.
He kind of shows him, okay, here's how I did that move
because there's like a little hip waggle
that Joseph's supposed to do.
And then he does his number.
And then at the end of it, he goes,
you guys want to see it again?
And obviously the crowd.
Look, I'll say this.
One of the most fun live viewing experiences I've ever had
was watching a hockey game at the Bell Center.
Bell Center is wild. That's the home of the Montreal Canadiens, or've ever had was watching a hockey game at the Bell Center. Bell Center's wild.
That's the home of the Montreal Canadiens,
or the Abs, excuse me, Les Abbes.
So the crowds just, they're incredible.
They're so into it.
It's like you see it like a big soccer game, except hockey.
But I've never been to a soccer game,
so I can't speak from experience.
What I can say is Bell Center, incredible atmosphere.
This was like watching a theater production in the Bell Center.
Because the audience,
like all gray hairs, like gray beards and stuff, because it's like the theater or whatever, but they were so into it.
There was like six standing ovations throughout the play, like they would just do a great job
of a number and everyone would be like,
yeah, woo, yeah, like just losing it, absolutely losing it.
That's cool.
So yeah, so when Donnie like asked,
okay, you guys wanna see it again,
the entire house just completely lost it.
The guy is such an incredible performer.
Yeah, it was utterly unforgettable.
Amazing.
And then the real reason that I even knew about this,
so yeah, I didn't find out that it was his last performance
until he said, yeah, he said like, yeah, this is it.
So it was so cool they brought him back to do Pharaoh
for this production and it was so cool that I was able to be there for the last one and
Man, where was I going with this? Anyway, it was awesome unforgettable
anyway
though right the real read the only reason that I knew that this was on was because Yvonne signed up for like the Andrew Lloyd
Webber play
you know upcoming news bulletin or whatever because
I've been to New York like I don't know ten times in the last decade because of work usually but sometimes for pleasure and I've never
bothered to go see Phantom I've been to tons of stage plays in New York I saw
Book of Mormon there I saw Aladdin I saw oh more recently I saw Great Gatsby that
was incredible probably the best stage production I've ever seen if you're in
New York go see it, go see it now.
Don't miss that cast, they're incredible.
Anyway, so, but every time I'd be like, I don't know,
Phantom will probably go for another 30 years anyway,
so I don't really need to go see it.
And then they finally closed it, so I was like,
ah, screw it, I've been meaning to see the bloody thing,
because it's like iconic, right?
So anyway, the only reason I knew was because
she found out about Joseph as like a footnote
on the hey, Phantom's playing in London like thing.
And so it just worked out that way.
And then so we left Edinburgh
and we went to London to see Phantom
and Phantom was like totally overrated.
It was completely like, the cast did a great job.
Like the singing was incredible.
It's the first time you've seen Phantom?
I'd never seen it.
Okay. Yeah.
So I didn't. My parents saw Phantom forever? I've never seen it. Okay. Yeah.
So I didn't.
My parents saw Phantom forever ago
and they really liked it.
Yeah, if you're into opera,
I imagine that would help a little bit.
I don't know if they are, to be honest.
But I just didn't,
I didn't really, yeah, I didn't.
It didn't really do it for me.
Maybe it's just showing its age a little bit.
Maybe part of it was coming off the high of
seeing Joseph the previous day. Like I saw Hattiestown in New York as well, and it's so well-reviewed.
It's so popular, but I saw it the night after I saw Great Gatsby and Great Gatsby just
absolutely crushes it. Like it's not even close so that that may be that may be a problem
yeah yeah people are talking about like plays that they like I saw wicked down
in Seattle when they were touring that was oh so good I haven't seen the movie
yet I saw a lion the witch in the wardrobe as a kid and that yeah that
sold me I had to read the books I got into Turkish delight just really oh yeah
huh interesting my
when we read Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe in elementary school like my
teacher read it to us as part of just I don't know literature I guess because
people used to read books she brought in Turkish Delight at the end oh really
could all try it and we universally thought it was kind of not very great
did you have rose I don't know well, there's some that have like good flavors, and then there's rose and
Rose is like fairly traditional, but it's terrible. Oh interesting flavor it off of roses
I don't know who thought that was a good idea
Yeah, okay, some people are probably be mad now, but like mmm the rose one stays like trash
Fair enough
Rose water flavor yeah like I don't know.
Rosewater flavor. Yeah, like, I don't know.
Cool. Turkish delight tastes like old ladies perfume. So that's the rose stuff. You gotta get other stuff.
Rosewater is very common in old Ottoman cuisine. Fascinating.
Turkish, old Ottoman, makes sense.
Okay.
All right, well, cool. What else are we supposed to be talking about? Oh, Dan, that was topic two my day. Oh,
should I? Is there anything else to talk about in vacation?
Edmar is amazing. London anything else than check out
plays? I'm there for two days. Oh, so we did check out the
Christmas market. I guess. Yeah. So we did check out the Christmas market. time. I guess yeah, so we did check out the Christmas market
We did go see the the big the big castle in Edinburgh
That was it we only saw the outside they'd like sold out for the day
But we we walked the like royal mile thing and checked out some of the shops
Bought Yvonne a nice toque because the toque she brought with her was
Making her forehead itchy and I was like mean, we're in the home of,
we're in like land of cashmere.
So like, I don't know, get a nice toque.
Get a cool toque.
Yeah, yeah.
So we did that.
Had some good food.
Yeah, Enver amazing, London, I don't know, it's a big city.
I, it doesn't do much, it doesn't do much for me,
but I'm sure that I like, I didn't go to Buckingham Palace.
I don't really like care about the Royals or anything, so it's all about like what you're into
You know I was really surprised at how much Harry Potter there still is over there
Like you cannot go anywhere without tripping over a bakery that's selling
Cupcakes with golden snitches on them or like a lot of tourism for it
Is there still because they have like the I don't know whatever isn't harry potter like dead at this point
Like didn't Voldemort kill him you know
No, no right right right cuz he killed his own he killed his own soul which was in front of harry
Or something but it like made harry dead for a bit and then and then Dumbledore was there but
But death is permanent. That's pretty well established in that universe, so how he's talking to Dumbledore. I don't know maybe it was a hallucination
It doesn't matter that
magic
Spoilers come on you guys stop it
But yeah, I know I don't think so to be honest I don't think it's
over at all but Fantastic Beasts was so bad yeah but then you look at like the
what was that game that no one's allowed to talk about that came out like two
years ago or something it's legacy and it's so it was sold like the most of
anything that year but no one reported on it and then it was like completely
absent at the game awards but it's, but it sold like crazy. Oh, I know like absolutely like crazy. I were still into the universe. I tried to play it
I didn't really enjoy it. I
Don't want to I got a couple hours in creator. I think games have just gotten too complicated for me
Like there's like because you want to be able to dive in and dive out
Yeah, there's like there's so many different controls and to dive in and dive out. Yeah, there's like, there's so many different controls
and then I went like three weeks without playing it
because...
Dots, yeah.
And then I tried to get back into it.
I was even just, I was trying to play...
Yvonne and I started Unraveled 2, or Unraveled 2.
And so far, in one native like gaming session,
we managed the tutorial.
And then now we're gonna go to jump back into it,
and I'm like, oh my God, so you can like hitch a ride,
and you hold the trigger to like hold onto the thing,
and you just swing the thing, and like,
oh, okay, what happened to like B is jump,
A is spinny jump, Y is run,
and X is just like kind of an extra button,
because we just didn't really need four buttons,
because our last console had two buttons
Like I uh I don't know guys. There's people debating. I didn't say it was fun or not all I said was it sold a lot This is they relax. This is why no one can talk about that game
Why do you hate hamburgers?
You poke to the bear this is what you get why do you hamburgers that became hot dogs?
Let's go ahead and move on
Let's leave immediately
Dan, what are we talking about?
AHHHH
Why don't we do
Merch messages and some announcements
Then you get some more topics in
Come on, that's funny
All I said was it
Sold a lot It's's funny isn't it?
You know you can go the other way too if I'm canceled like you're out of work anyway
Canceled with me. I don't think that's how that doesn't matter at that point proxy cancel
Proxy cancel
Okay, merch messages So the way merch messages work if you guys want to interact with the show the best way is a merch message you head
To LTT store.com add something to your cart
You'll get a little box there that sends us a merch message it goes to producer Dan who will reply to it himself
Give him something to do he was sitting there looking
distinctly unbusy for Lorne
He'll forward it to someone who can help you, he'll pop it up down there at the bottom of the screen, or he will curate it for me and Luke to respond to on the show.
Um, while you guys think of some good merch messages, why don't I-
Oh, why don't- Ooh! Ooh! Why don't I tell you about a few announcements?
What are you getting? Ooh, why don't I tell you about a few announcements?
What are you getting? We have a new product.
It's the long sleeve hooded t-shirt.
Oh, he's wearing it already, look at that.
It's your favorite t-shirt reimagined.
All the lightweight comfort of our custom tees
combined with the versatility of a hoodie.
It's great for wearing on its own
or layering under a t-shirt,
like all the cool kids do at the skate park.
And you know it's from LTD store
because it even has custom, oh these are so cool.
They are pretty cool.
It even has custom printing, okay,
on the drawstrings that say, do not drop.
Eh?
Very, very tracute.
Yeah, you can kinda make it can kind of make it out there
I mean, it's our typical stealthy branding just got a cute little like kind of retro pink and blue
LTT logo on the bottom and that is about it. We like to keep things pretty stealthy around here
LMG GG slash hooded tea
But if long-sleeve hooded T's aren't your thing,
we just wanna let you know that the LTD mod mat
is coming soon and we mean it this time.
You can sign up to be notified exactly when it drops
at LMG.GG slash mod mat.
There's a couple samples behind us.
Oh, but we can show off if we wish.
Dan, do you wanna go ahead and copy the link
to all of the various chats?
Sure thing.
The ones in the tube. Yeah, do you wanna to go ahead and copy that link to all of the various chats? Sure thing. Yeah, do you want to show the tube?
The tube.
Designed by, packaging designed by the one, the only, Miss Sarah Butt.
I believe.
I'm pretty sure she did it.
It looks like she did it.
Now this is going to be pretty embarrassing for me if she didn't do it.
It's a fairly tight fit, which is why I think they gave us one not in the tube.
Yes. Beep. Beep beep beep beep beep beep. Sorry. It's a fairly tight fit which is why I think they gave us one not in the tube. Yes
Yes, okay, I'll show that one
So it looks a little something a leg z's
Note the note the high quality printing
This is truly a class-leading product. We're really excited about this one. Let's just go to the wide cam because it's pretty big
It's got all the various information that you guys would want. We've got a nice little legend up here with
And they are sorry a legend for wiring diagram So you've got like resistor capacitor fuse microphone got all the various resistance values and stuff like that
color coding and
There you go over there got a spot to put your LTT screwdriver got a spot to put your LTT screwdriver, got a spot to put your precision screwdriver,
we've got a QR code, that's a mystery what that does,
we'll figure that out later.
We've also got a legend for, or a little guide
for what size your motherboard is, if you like,
I don't know, don't know where your motherboard packaging is
and you can't tell.
Radiator size guide, so you can store a radiator on there,
see how big it is, 120, 140. It's mostly just for fun, or I mean, maybe you don't a radiator on there see you know how big it is 120 140 it's mostly just for
For fun or I mean, maybe you don't know that I don't know fan size guide this one's actually very useful
I can't tell if it's a 120 or 140 boom put it down on there on the color-coded dots
And you will know for sure I've also got wiring diagrams for all your various PC connectors
We've got a screw thread guide this one's really man
We spent so much time on this one,
making sure that it is actually like very representative
so you can really tell what screws
you're supposed to use for what.
That is such a novice PC building headache.
It's figuring out exactly what screw goes into what.
Tubing size guide, M.2 size guide,
including all the different keys,
PCIe slot guide, CPU size guide,
including thermal paste outlines,
as well as a RAM module guide,
which even includes LPCAM2 and CAM2.
So we tried to make it as comprehensive as possible.
Super high quality and very aggressive pricing.
Pineapple asks, solder proof.
What we will say is it is as solder resistant
as any other mod mat that we have compared it against,
and we have compared it against many.
Nothing is solder proof.
I would say solder quite proof.
Soldering iron, watch your step.
It is quite stain resistant too, which is something that is very, very exciting for
us, especially when we compare to some of the competing products out there that
honestly look like s*** immediately if you get anything on them. So it's not going to be perfect. It still does have some texture to it because we want it to be nice and grippy, but it is much,
much easier to clean. Etherplane asks, print comes off or no? Well, the print comes off of anything
if you try hard enough. I don't think we would ever advertise something
as the print never comes off, but it is quite resistant.
Yep, it's pretty resilient.
All right.
Sweet.
What else we got?
Oh yeah, one last thing.
How do you like your pencils?
Yeah.
Oh, the cat's out of the bag.
We're making a mechanical pencil version
of the scribe driver.
I definitely leaked this at some point. Oh, that's right, I think I did. But anyway, before we actually go to production, The cats out of the bag. We're making a mechanical pencil version of the scribe driver. I
Definitely leaked this at some point. Oh, that's right I think I did but anyway before we actually go to production we want to make sure we're making the pencil you want
Oh, no, we're letting them decide
Dan's not even reading along with us in the dock. I don't think no I'll post it. Do you want me to post it?
I do it. The question is simple. Do you 0.5 millimeter or 0.7 millimeter lead?
Please only answer if you have an actual preference. Otherwise, maybe just
don't
That would be great
Yeah, well work
See I knew this was gonna happen
Okay. Well, is there a Firefox option?
Stop.
I took it seriously for once
because this is important, Luke.
Yeah, all right.
It looks like about 60-40 for.5 mil.
That makes sense.
I was always a.7 millimeter kid,
but I was careless and would always break the.5 mils.
So I always had this perception that. seven millimeters for like careless children and point five millimeters for like, you know
Writing finally and like, you know being an adult. So I don't know maybe maybe maybe maybe I'm wrong
Seven voters are like, oh
Did he just say what I thought he did?
This child a child lead size.
Um,.9 for life. I've never even heard of.9. Is that a thing?
It's dronky. Go figure. Alright.
Linus breaking the lead is so in character for him. Yeah, well.
Alright, Dan, hit us with a merch message. Sure. Let's do this thing. Oh my gosh.
Hi, DLL and the Funky Bunch.
With games like Assassin's Creed, Shadows,
and Cyberpunk coming to Mac and iPad,
do you see a bright future for gaming on Apple devices?
Yes, as long as you don't wanna play all the games.
It's kinda like I see a bright future
for gaming on Nintendo.
As long as you're one of like four people
that still buy Ubisoft games.
Um, yeah.
As long as you like the games for that platform,
then awesome.
But I do not see an end to the x86 PC's dominance
when it comes to gamer choice anytime soon.
It just doesn't seem like
there's meaningful progress being made there. And there is progress,
but when I say meaningful progress, you're not going to port the entire back catalog.
You're not going to have that breadth of support from new titles.
Cyberpunk came out a little over four years ago, too. I was going to say five because
it came out in 2020, but it came out in December 10th of 2020, so I don't know, whatever. I think that's true.
So to be a happy, confident Apple gamer,
I think I would also want games to come out on my platform
when they come out on other platforms.
Yeah, and not be like removed from my platform.
Like didn't Rocket League get straight up removed from Mac?
Was that when they got bought out?
I don't remember what happened. Yeah, the mac os and linux steam os versions are no longer updated or supported
You may still be able to download these versions, but some features etc, etc, etc
Oof big yikes. Um, so that's not that's not great for that's not great for gaming on mac
Uh league of legends also dead. Yeah, that's probably a little gaming on Mac. League of Legends also dead.
Yeah, that's probably a little bit more topical and relevant.
Whoa.
What's up?
League of Legends being killed, that's a huge player base.
Yeah, it's huge.
Rocket League is pretty solid as well,
but League of Legends is massive.
I don't think that you can really make an argument
that a mouse keyboard platform
where you can't play League of Legends is like,
highly relevant.
Yeah, that's rough.
I don't know, Apple's got this bizarre relationship
with like gaming, game developers, and gamers.
No, they haven't always have.
Mac was the gaming platform for like desktops
in the early days. Hey look
It was supposed to though
Yeah
And dude like so many my friend had a Mac his dad had a Mac when I was in like elementary school and like
They had so many better games. I was like this is
We had no real exposure to
Mac not just because like my parents didn't have any, but like
I didn't know anyone with one.
No gaming on a Mac was like sick.
And they like talked about gaming in their keynotes and stuff.
Wasn't Mist was a big one because Mac was like the first CD drive, right?
And then now, now you go you like you watch their keynotes, you watch these like these
like old boomers trying to talk about gaming they have no fucking idea what they're talking about. Despite having the biggest gaming base
because of iPhone. It's bizarre! Yeah. It's bizarre it's like they just see it in
in terms of like revenue numbers they don't I'm not convinced that any of them
actually play video games. Yeah dude like other people are talking like Oregon
Trail was on Mac yeah 100 percent let's play some Odell
Lake this is all to go there's a
reference you wouldn't have expected to
be clear this is all like 30 years ago I
know I know but I'm just saying it you
said always you talked about this on
WAN show recently words have meaning
words have meanings always means always
yeah fair and it was not always the case
Video games are for 0.7 millimeter lead enjoyers
That's why they're not on Mac
We're still about 60-40 pulls over. You'd probably have to be a lead enjoyer to buy a Mac for gaming these days
It tastes so good
You'd probably have to be a lead enjoyer to buy a Mac for gaming these days. It tastes so good!
Hey!
Dan wants the.9 because it has the most calories.
Gotta keep up my winter weight.
Alright, how about another?
Yeah.
Sure.
Hey, Loot, Liar, and Drums.
That's a new one, I like that.
Nice.
What's your best three-person video game?
I have two buddies that play frequently, but squads are almost always four people.
Buying, replacing screwdriver because I lost the first one in the woods.
I mean...
Warhammer 40k is three people, Rocket League is three people.
It'd be terrible if we didn't mention Trine, but that's...
Trine is...old?
I mean, there's four of them.
It's good, though.
Yeah. They're pretty samey. They are pretty samey. But... I mean there's four of them. It's good though.
Yeah, they're pretty samey.
They are pretty samey.
I wouldn't play them close together.
There's lots of four player games you can totally enjoy as three players, like Towerfall is super fun.
There's even five player games you can queue as three.
Best three person video game.
Someone said Overcooked? Yeah, that works.
There are five Trines? Oh, well, let's see what I know. My goodness. Again, just don't play them too close to each other,
they're very samey. Yeah. They're good though, but just spread them out. Shredder's Revenge,
TMNT Shredder's Revenge. Yeah, you could totally play it with three people. It was disappointingly
not that hard. Short and it's easy. Yeah, but you can turn it up to like hardcore mode though,
which we didn't do because we were playing with children, right?
Baldur's Gate 3
There's no real reason you couldn't do a three-person playthrough. I wouldn't call it a three-person video game. Yes
It's in my opinion. It's best with two or four
But you could totally do a three person playthrough for sure.
Especially if you have like one person who knows the game and they run two of the characters
and then two newer players play the other two.
Four players is Helldivers.
Yeah, but you could still do three just fine.
I used to play Helldivers with two people.
It's fine.
Wow.
I think you're just not being very...
Okay, but you could pull in randoms as well, so you can play the two of you in randoms.
His elite gamer privilege is showing.
Like, yeah, I don't know, you could just, like, solo, like, final endgame raids in WoW, right?
Like, I just do it by myself, so you can too.
This guy.
This guy.
Apparently, Dream Daddy, a dad dad dating simulator is a three-player
No, this is single-player you guys don't even
Don't even poly cool daddy simulator sure that's the sequel. I don't know this can't be that bad. It's from Game Grumps
Look if you soloed vault of glass. I don't even know what that is
So you play as a dad and your goal is to meet and romance other hot dads. No this could be that bad
Okay, well anyway. Let's move on
Yeah, sure let's do another topic
What do you want to talk about you want to talk about how Half-Life 3 is really totally definitely happening this time sure it is
Yeah, okay go for it signs point to the possibility of valve working on the long
Awaited third entry to the second most influential FPS franchise in gaming history half-life
Hold on a second
I
Think David are they is he is he just trying to troll people? I'm not sure but he's got to be trying to troll people
There's no way
There's no way what's the most influential then i don't know you could argue halo
no
change first for shooters forever
Yeah, maybe doom i can see doom doom created first person shooters more effectively
They existed but yeah i don't know you there's there's arguments to be made for a lot of the early stuff.
Like Unreal definitely changed multiplayer.
Yes. Quake changed multiplayer in a big way.
Wasn't it... Quake basically created multiplayer arena shooter, didn't it?
Trying to remember. I wasn't a gamer back then, so...
Yeah. This is all just based on what I like know and remember. Ricochet2 is definitely the most
influential first person shooter of all time I do agree. Judge and full-time chat. Anyways moving on
before that it goes crazy. YouTuber and semi-reliable source of Valve leaks GabeFollower has made a video
claiming Valve is working on the Half-Life universe again with some moderately convincing evidence.
One, undiscovered Source 2 engine updates that more fit a Half-Life game than any current Valve game.
Two, pointing out new dev commentary in the 20th anniversary update that mentions fixing a problem in a future installment.
Okay, and more importantly, anniversary update that mentions fixing a problem in a future installment. Okay.
And more importantly, three claims from an insider that Valve is actively playtesting
a new Half-Life with friends and family.
Okay, can I just interject for a moment?
You interjected a lot of times earlier, so I feel like I'm owed one.
Is it not more likely that we're just going to get Project Deckard with Half-Life Alyx 2
because Valve needs to sell some VR headsets.
Like, come on, we're not getting Half-Life 3, you guys.
Anyway, carry on.
G-Man slash Barney Calhoun, voice actor,
has pointed out his...
Has also posted his first...
Has also posted his first non-reply tweet, thanks,
since the
release of Half-Life Alex, a cryptic video using the G-Man voice referencing
unexpected surprises in the future. The actor has previously told the US gamer
that he had recently worked on a blast from the past that he would announce on
my Twitter feed when I'm allowed to. This is all sounding a lot more like a remaster or something than now.
After eight years, Valve has finished the TF2 comic series with a final installment
with small references to the Half-Life universe.
Valve has been on a huge hiring spree for Project White Sands and has brought back ex-staff
who worked on Half-Life 2, Laugh 4 Dead, and Portal. Maybe the
Aperture Science story thread in Half-Life 2, Episode 2, can be paid off
with a Portal gun in Gordon Freeman's hands. This really, this, who wrote this
story? Are you just fan-ficking like, or getting Artifact 2? Oh wow, Artifact 2.
Oh this is gonna be sick! This is David, this is David.
I like this one.
This is David.
You should write more when.
Here's our discussion question.
Linus, why do you hate Half-Life 2?
And follow up, why are you so wrong?
Yeah, that's an interesting question.
I don't hate Half-Life 2.
It's one of the few shooter games
I've actually played all the way through.
I played Half-Life 2, I played Episode 1,
I played Episode 2.
The only one I've said I couldn't finish is Half-Life 1 because I didn't go back and try to play it until I'd already completed Half-Life 2.
Like it didn't age particularly well.
Like okay, like I could probably list first-person shooter games that I've actually played an entire campaign on on two hands.
So Far Cry 1.
Great game. played an entire campaign on on two hands so far cry one great game
Doom by the lake the lake around that time doom whatever that whatever that one was I forget
Half-life 2
fear
I played that one that you made me play Titanfall 2 that's good game
Game okay, what else is there? Really solid game.
Okay, Portal.
Also, every time Steam has a sale,
Titanfall 2 goes on sale for like $3.
If you haven't bought it, just buy it when it's on sale.
It's a great single player game.
Do it.
Halo 1, have I actually played
through the single player campaign?
I think so, maybe, possibly.
Oh, it would have been, yeah, no, I think I did.
I think I did.
What else we got?
Bioshock, yes, I did play through Bioshock.
I may have even dragged myself through Bioshock too,
but I'm not sure if I finished it, it was terrible.
No, not Fire Crystal, F-E-A-R.
I wasn't that into two, but I liked infinite
Oh, I was called I played one of the Deus ex games all the way through
I think it was it was like it was supposed to be one of the bad ones or whatever
But I I came into it into the franchise later. So I enjoyed it just fine
Maybe it maybe it was that one is probably one of the Deus ex ones and I have, I have actually never played a Battlefield or Call of Duty campaign all the way through.
I just like, didn't participate in gaming at that time I guess. So we're at nine.
We're at nine.
They're good like Marvel movie-esque campaigns, if that makes sense.
If there's no real like substance to them.
I don't think I ended up beating Borderlands. I got Board of Diablo first-person shooter
edition. Yeah. I think I've tried a couple of them I've never
beat any of them. Yeah. Because you know I get partway through it I'm just like, yeah, all right.
Yep, this is Diablo all right. Yeah. Crisis! Yes! Oh, okay, we're over ten. You beat
Crisis? Yeah. Oh, wow. Crisis, Crisis 2. I might have actually played all the way through crisis 3 as well
Definitely crisis 1 and crisis 2. I did very much enjoy those
I know a lot of people that played it but not that many people that actually like finished it. Why? I don't know
I actually you know, I've seen that feedback whether it's one or two
I can't remember but people are like yeah when the aliens show up it gets stupid
I was gonna say when the enemies change, but I don't remember what they changed to. I thought it was fine
Yeah, I mean you have the same problem in Far Cry. It's the exact same problem. Have you ever played the original Far Cry?
I've watched you play it, but no yeah, it's it's the exact same problem you start out fighting
Well, I don't know you're gonna play it probably not okay
Whatever you start out fighting humans, and then you end up fighting like these this happens in like these insufferable like like rocket absorbing
Monsters like you can hit them in the face with a rocket like three times it's like okay they're made of flesh and bone
like come on! It should still work. It's such a consistent theme and I don't know why. I find it
interesting that Warhammer Space Marine 40k 2 whatever it does it the other way
around you start fighting the weird, and then you end the game fighting more humanoid things,
and it starts weaker and ends stronger.
What?
Sure. Okay. I don't count Shadow of the Tomb Raider. That's third person, but I did finish that. Man,
I really don't play that many games. Like that's like every shooter game that I've played in the last 25 years.
My Steam told me that you bought Slay the Spire.
I did. I haven't played it yet, though. My Steam told me that you bought Slay the Spire.
I did.
I haven't played it yet though.
I was busy beating you to the end of Final Fantasy VI.
Did you already beat it?
I haven't beaten it yet.
Okay.
It's um...
I don't know if this is because of some of the balance issues in the Pixel Remaster.
There are some significant balance issues though.
Makes it harder or makes it easier way?
Both.
I've noticed some stuff in the Pixel Remaster.
So I don't know if it's because of that,
or I don't know if it's because of my nostalgia glasses
fading, but it may not be as good of a game
as I remember it being.
Like there's a, of Glass is fading, but it may not be as good of a game as I remember it being. The Pixel Remaster has some very serious issues. I don't know if it's caused by me setting the
battle rate to fast, but it seems like when I changed it, it didn't get fixed. I also have
it set to active because I want a bit of a challenge but I've noticed that
there are certain effects like poison for instance the tech rate for it is
obscene so it's probably won't spoil too much but there's a boss at some point
that can grab you and hold you I think it's already happened no it probably
hasn't really yeah doesn't the tentacle guy do that wait where are you. I think it's already happened. No, it probably hasn't. Really? Yeah.
Doesn't the tentacle guy do that?
Wait, where are you at?
I fought him like twice or something, I think.
Oh, oh him, Ultros.
Okay, sure.
Anyway, there's some boss at some point
who can grab you and hold onto you.
And the tick for the damage is like obscene.
So I got annihilated in that fight like four times in a row,
never even really getting a chance to even hit anything.
And oh, Theola says maybe you need to cap your frame rate.
But like really a PC release?
In 2020 whatever.
You would be very surprised why.
Cause that is so standard it still happens.
Cause that is embarrassing.
Oh yeah.
Like that is straight up embarrassing
if that's caused by the frame rate being higher.
Why wouldn't everyone use time always forever?
Cause it's harder
It's very lazy. It's not that much harder. You just go it's really much harder. Um, that's it
anyway, I've
Encountered I've encountered a lot of stuff. That's just
Just kind of kind of broken like we talked about some of it last week where?
Just kind of kind of broken like we talked about some of it last week where
Kayan or cyan or whatever his sword techniques or Bushido is what it's called now
They're supposed to be a penalty for performing the higher tier ones and they're just isn't
Cool anyway, I don't want to spend a bunch of time talking about Final Fantasy 6 again this week, but I will beat you to the end
I have
Made no progress. If you had to guess how many hours do you think I have left? I have no idea but like. Well where are you at?
It's same spot
You haven't touched it? With the family. the family games. Again? Again? My brother
and I beat Act 2 and Baldur's Gate 3, we beat Warhammer 40k, and we got from the Meadows
to the Plains and Valheim. This is like when I ask my kids why they haven't eaten their
broccoli and they're all like, well I ate my rice and I ate my meat and I ate my bubble
gums. I didn't ask about any of those things. I asked why didn't you eat your broccoli?
My current plan is I don't like Las Vegas, I don't gamble. I don't bet. I don't do any
of that kind of stuff. I have something going on.
You're going to end up socializing.
With who? No one's even going to be there.
Is Wendell going?
Not on no. First of all, no. Second of all.
Then you may actually get some gaming done.
Because on Sunday, no one's's gonna be there. I'm
going down there to film something on Saturday and then I just have to wait
Sunday. I don't like the city that I'm gonna be in so I'm probably just gonna
play Final Fantasy in the hotel room all day. Okay I'll probably still be ahead of
you. Maybe. Yeah. Is that many hours ahead? Yeah put like 32 hours into it or something. Oh! Don't worry about it.
And realistically, I like know the game better and can probably beat it in fewer hours than you so that's like, you know,
gonna be a challenge, I guess.
I often don't know where the heck I'm going and I don't want to look things up like as much as possible
so I'm I'm often like
What?
Without spoiling anything that gets way worse look things up like as much as possible. So I'm often like, what?
Without spoiling anything, that gets way worse.
Okay.
Like way worse.
Oh no.
Cool.
I'm having that problem literally right now.
Like the point of the game where I stopped
was because I was looking around for like,
I think it was like 10 or 15 minutes.
I could not for the life of me
figure out where I was supposed to go.
When you're supposed to go to the Imperial camp, um, to go to
the, to go to the sealed gate.
Yeah.
When I was a child and I didn't have the internet or like a guidebook or anything
like that, I spent literally hours, literally hours figuring that out hours
and hours and hours.
I went to every city on the entire map multiple times
trying to figure out what would trigger anything new to happen.
When you get completely freed with the airship,
and so I've gone to the gate thing, the thing happened,
we're out, I'm supposed to do the next step,
and then they just let you free on the map with the airship I literally had an immediate sense of dread
Because I was like there's no
There's no bounds now like you gave me one line of where I'm supposed to go and I didn't recognize where that was and now
You're just like good luck. Like what does that mean? I also don't remember what you said
so
Yeah, what you can't replay cutscenes no heaven forbid you be able to do that like
Sounds like you need some yellow paint. Yeah, to be honest a little bit yellow paint. Yeah right now. I wouldn't mind a little bit yellow paint
Anyways so half-life 3 good luck everybody. It's not gonna be half-life 3
It's gonna be Alex 2 or it's gonna be like a remaster or something
That doesn't make new half-life games web dev says 70% of forum traffic is LLM training bots
We have any way of like
cooperating that oh
Like what do you what do you think like it LTT forum would almost certainly get called? Yeah, is it worth it?
We can try what we can look into it. No, I'm just I'm I wouldn't spend resources on I'm just idly curious
I just like I don't even know it probably wouldn't be that hard
But is it worth spending any amount of time probably not yeah exactly
Yeah
I mean
I think I feel like that's one of the things that happens when you become like sort of a medium-sized
larger company is you just like people ask the question doing so many things and then you just like yeah, you just start just like
Asking questions and then like assigning resources to them because you just like kind of have all these resources
and then you end up just like not actually doing anything because
finding out
if our forum is being crawled by training bots is like
What does that inform for our decision-making process? Yeah, we're gonna do about it. We're not gonna do anything. Yeah
anyways
Diaspora developer Dennis Schubert was investigate
diaspora diaspora that's fine. It's not diaspora. I don't think so I've heard it okay
It's not diaspora. I don't think so. I've heard it. Okay
diaspora developer Dennis Schubert was investigating load spikes on a diaspora project web infrastructure
And on investigation discovered a significant majority of the 11.3 million web requests handed
Handled in a 60-day period. Oh, you're right. It's diaspora. Yeah, nice. All right
Good job got them
The 11.3 million web requests handled in a 60-day period were from LLM training bots the bots crawl and
Recrawl multiple times a day and aren't smart about what they crawl at one point chat GPT and Amazon were crawling the entire edit history of Diaspora's wiki
every single diff, every single page, often more than 10 requests per second.
To compare, responsible bots, like those for Google or Bing search, accounted for just
0.28% of Diaspora's web now.
Now I think about it every time I read the web.
Yeah, sorry, I screwed it up for everyone.
I ruined it all. I ruined it all I ruined it all
Step down Adam because Linus ruins everything
Is that is that a dated reference now, I don't even know
The bots ignore robots dot txt which you can think of as the house rules for any web server
I can ask web bots to honor
attempts to slow or stop, and they generally did in the past, attempts to slow or stop the bots just result
in them disguising their user agents and taking other evasive actions. Diaspora is a decentralized
social media platform that calls itself the online social world where you are in control.
I think our discussion question needs some help,
but I mean, I think basically our discussion question here is.
What do we do?
Is Pandora's box just open at this point?
It actually, it surprises me a little bit
that anyone is bothering to sign licensing deals
with platforms like Reddit.
I think the only reason they're bothering
is that Reddit has the financial resources
to potentially fight them in court for years and years
and win some kind of settlement.
Most of these forums don't,
which is exactly the reason why we were discussing,
like, do we look into this?
No, because what are we gonna do?
Nothing. Yep.
And trying to stop them just has them disguise
their user agents and take other evasive actions.
Realistically, they've gone up against more sophisticated
administrators than us no offense
Who have more time to fight this stuff when we look at the cost of running the forum
The second we start investigating this we have lost money. Oh, yeah
the forum is like
I'm not sure why we bother anymore at this point like most of them seem to hate me anyway, so it's just like
Does it how's that feel?
waiting for the
Community that generally doesn't like you
moving on at least reddit's free
yeah right you don't have to pay to keep that going
oh man amazing
are we still doing more topics? just to be clear I'm mostly being
facetious I do think that it is a small minority of active users that are drinking the Haterade,
and I also think that there is an influx of new users who are just looking to participate
any time that there's something resembling a scandal, even if it's a complete nothing
burger, and they tend to kind of show up at those times.
It's been really interesting watching how much noise
there has been about the honey scandal,
and I'm gonna use that in finger quotes
because it had nothing to do with us.
Despite a lack of impact.
Compared to the impact on sort of any other aspect
of anything.
Because a lot of the time,
if people are legitimately upset about something,
like if we upload a video to Float Plane
that accidentally left the sponsor spots in,
like we might see like a dip in Float Plane subscribers,
or if we upload a sponsored video to the YouTube channel
that people think is just like too shilly or something like that.
Because we've done stuff like that in the past.
We're always trying to find the right balance,
but we don't always nail it.
And I've been upfront about that.
You might see a reduction in engagement
over the next couple of days or weeks or months or whatever.
But this one, in spite of how broad and how loud
and how angry people have been,
it appears to be two perfect circles.
The people who actually engage with us
and care about LTT and Linus Media Group
and all of those various things.
And the people who actually think that this is like
a scandal that reflects poorly on us in any way.
I think it's a lot of people that just go from
thing to thing that they can yell about.
And they just, that's their entertainment
when they get home.
It seems like it.
It seems like it.
And there have definitely been times
when those circles have overlapped.
Oh yeah, for sure. When there's actually been people
who are angry about it
who do engage with us.
That's probably when it's more real.
Well no, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
But this one seems like the most separated.
Disconnected, yeah.
Like we've maybe got these lines kind of touch
and there's dozens of people that.
Because I'm sure there's some.
That are newly hate us because of this.
It just feels like everyone who was gonna hate us
hates us already at this point.
And it's actually liberating.
I think I've talked about this before a little bit lately
where it feels like we've survived enough scandals
that like we'd have to have an actual scandal,
you know, like a real one for it to kind of drum up like new hate.
You know, it's just old hate that's being sort of refreshed now. real one for it to kind of drum up like new hate.
It's just old hate that's being sort of refreshed now.
It's like, oh, he hates Adblock.
It's like, I don't care about it.
I always told you guys, you use it, you don't use it,
you make your choice.
It's on you.
Just make your own, build your own priorities, whatever.
CWP Linus is actually the mastermind behind Honey.
Oh, wow.
I wish I'd thought of it. I'd be a billionaire.
Yeah.
Dude. Like, honestly.
You'd be a big jerk now.
Oh man, dude, I...
Big mean guy.
I had an idea, and you know about this already.
I had an idea that literally would have made us a billion dollars.
I think you know the one I'm talking about.
What?
The one I was talking to you and Taryn about.
Oh!
Yeah, thank you, finally.
Geez, we got there.
How does that? What is that? Oh, yeah, thank you finally
Maybe we might not do charades that well. Yeah, that's fine. We don't need to do that
Anyway, anyway, the point is you know whether it's like you know Linus oh, I forgot to tell you about this
There is absolutely a platform that does that oh really yeah, okay?
100% okay good anyway the point is I wish them luck and they're killing it
So you're completely right so anywho?
Like we've definitely we've definitely had ideas before that I think are probably not as bad as what PayPal
Honey is doing here necessarily. How much money would we have if we actually did that VPN?
Yeah, I know. There's like, there's been plenty of opportunities, but I Don't actually wish I'd thought of it because like there's been times when we've thought of stuff
That would have made us like actually obscene amounts of money and we have made the active decision
That no, we actually do make enough money and we need to not do that
it's it's more important for the world that that is not done by us because
Someone will probably do it at some point anyway, but but but you know whether it's hawk to a girl with her
Rugpole recently or thing you're talking about Linus coins rugpole would have been cooler
No, we wanted to call it. We wanted to call it drop coin
because the
We were gonna be I don't know if you guys are new you won't remember this obviously.
This is a pretty funny idea.
You weren't there for it, but we talked about doing like an ICO and
like being completely upfront, like calling it rug coin or calling it drop coin or calling it something like that, where we're just like, yeah,
We're gonna-
This is not going to the moon.
Yeah, we're gonna spike the crap out of this thing.
We're gonna, we're gonna spike. This is not going to the moon.
Yeah, we're gonna spike the crap out of this thing.
We're gonna do an ICO.
If you guys are in at the absolute ground floor,
you're gonna make a killing.
You probably won't.
If you sell fast enough.
Because we're gonna be the ones that are gonna
rug pull it faster than anyone else could possibly know
because we're gonna keep 90% of it for ourselves
like every smart initial coin offering scheme does.
And yeah, it's gonna be a disaster for everyone who buys into it
Let's go and we would have made so much money
People would have totally done it anyway because people would have just like bought five dollars worth of it to the memes
I'll be the one that sells at the right time
It'll be me
Mashi Sly Fox says it was and still is hilarious
No bad things ever happen to me me LT to a coin, please no
No, no, we shouldn't do that. It's a bad idea
It would be a heck of a way to retire though
Retirement coin
Like who's retirement mine are yours
How much my worthy of retirement that's how much you spend on this coin.
Oh my god.
Put the entire company's pension plan into it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like actual retirement.
Yeah, and there would be no tech offerings, which I think people have given up on that
at this point.
Tech offerings?
Yeah, like at the beginning of ICOs, it was all like, oh, this one's going to be good
because it'll have lower transaction fees because people are actually totally going
to use it, wink wink wink, and now no one cares.
Right, right, right, right, right.
It's all just theme it around something fun and then try to convince people to go to the
moon and sell before it does.
You know what's crazy is my brother-in-law actually works for a company that actually
has a value to their coin.
No, no, no, no.
How old is it?
How old is it?
How many years has they been around?
It's this thing.
It's this like drone mapping thing so you so you fly your drone which you want to do anyway and
you get
You you get there like crypto coin or whatever for mapping stuff. Yeah, what can you is it worth?
It it actually seems to be like doing pretty good because they have actual clients that pay actual money for you know
I hate this because yeah
This is actually probably pretty cool. It's really and there are legitimate uses for this type of stuff. They have significantly
Downplayed the crypt onus. That's probably a good block chain this
But it is using blockchain
Technology and it is achieving something actually valuable which is extremely
high-resolution imagery they've got um they've got a really good where is it it
was actually a different news article it wasn't on their site where they show
like a a side-by-side of like satellite imagery versus versus their imagery and
it's like obviously way better because it's from individual drone operators
flying their drones around.
And so it's like, it's a win-win
because it's something these guys wanna do anyway.
People love an excuse to fly their drones around.
These guys are getting this highly detailed mapping data
and then companies and cities,
any organization that's willing to pay
for this high resolution map imagery is winning as well.
I won't talk about much of it because I have no idea
what of what he's told me is in confidence
or whatever else, but that's the high level
of what these guys are doing.
It's kind of frustrating because blockchain tech
is really cool.
Yeah.
But it's like hard to be excited about
because there are so many scams.
Yeah, it's like not every blockchain project is a scam.
Yeah.
But every scammer is in on blockchain.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is rough because then when people do actually
do cool things with it, which I mean that seems cool,
I don't know, it's not an endorsement,
I've never seen it before.
There's so much
negativity around it because they get associated with the incredible amount of the huge ocean full of scammers I do hope one day we can get past that but honestly I don't know that we can
I think there will always be scammers in blockchain. This is pretty cool. Too many of them. Property assessment, situational awareness for fire and police, disaster response.
Yeah, assessing infrastructure.
Yeah, super cool.
Disaster response especially, trying to figure out what something was supposed to look like
before it got swept away in a flood or something.
100%.
Yeah, no, I'm super, super, super super happy for I'm super super proud of him. He's worked super hard to
To get to to get this to where it is. It's a long story. That's his story to tell but yeah
No, no definitely super cool
It's surely time it's early time asks okay, but is blockchain necessary for this to exist no, but what it is is really elegant
Blockchain is super cool
It's like super super cool. It's just that
There's a lot of grifters in this base who saw an easy way to make a buck. That's all yeah
McBain says next scandal tech influencer pushes family coin scam no
scandal tech influencer pushes family coin scam. No!
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Alright.
Kinda sick. Kinda cool.
So, diamond shopping.
Yeah.
In London.
Why? Yeah in in London Why because Yvonne and I were having a conversation she she told me about this
Like jewelry slash like diamond brand that was a big deal
Called Harry Winston like they're they're like the best or something and they're the the trendiest and I was like
Oh, are they like better than like Tiffany because that's the only sort of like upscale
You know brand that I know and he wants like
Yvonne's like oh, I mean yeah. Yeah, they're yeah, they're they're like you know their brand perception is like higher
They're like more premium
and
Anyways, I was like I was like really cuz I thought like I thought like Tiffany's like, you know, kind of like a huge deal
It's certainly very overpriced
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. These look stupid HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Okay, sorry.
So anyway, to tease her, because that's my actual favorite thing to do in the entire
world, I was like, well, darling, would you like me to get you a Harry Winston then?
And she's like, what?
No, I'm just, I was just saying, like, that's the one that kind of gets, like, you know,
they provide the diamonds for the royal family and whatever else. And I'm like, okay, so you're saying now that we're here in London, you know, they provide the diamonds for the, you know, the royal family and, you know, whatever else.
And I'm like, okay, so you're saying now that we're here in London, you'd like to go get
to Harry Winston then.
Sorry, Dan, by the way, I'm butchering your native tongue.
And anyway, so basically, we were just walking around in the city, and I was like, okay,
I'm going to find the nearest Harry Winston.
And she's like, no, I don gonna, I'm going to find the nearest Harry Winston. And she's like, no, I don't,
I don't want to, I don't want to go there. And I'm like, no, no, no, we're okay.
Then in that case, we're not going there. We're wandering aimlessly.
And I like, so basically I, so, so I, I, we arrived there and I was like,
Oh, look at that. There happens to be a Tiffany nearby.
Why don't we go ahead and go in that one as well? Um,
I don't we go ahead and go in that one as well? I don't think that I have ever felt more unwelcome somewhere than I was in Tiffany.
You were like wearing this basically?
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah.
I had a pair of vesties on with like paint
Like like spattered paint spatters on them
I was dressed in our like LTT cargo pants. No that I had no I had jeans on
And then I was wearing
Actually, you know what? No, my I think my top layer was somewhat respectable You know that that white and black shell that we have? Yes.
I was dressed in that.
So I think that's like, it's not Tiffany or Harry Winston.
It walks into Tiffany with paint covered shoes
and clothes he made himself.
It's like.
Yeah, pretty much.
Because basically we were trying to like,
we were trying to sort of see like,
you know, who's more upscale.
You know that game that I've told you that I like to play at the airport, right?
Yes.
So I like to go into a store that has a brand I've never heard of before, preferably a person's
first and last name, and then find an item and then take bets with whoever my travel
companion is for what the price is,
and then you play price is right rules
for how much it is.
So you ask a salesperson how much it is,
because they almost never have price tags on them.
Anyway, the point is I was doing kind of like
a variation of that game called
Who Will Make Me Feel the Most Unwelcome.
So we walk into Tiffany.
You can't just walk in, first all, you have to like knock on
the door.
This is their London store, okay, it's London, all right, it's London.
So you knock on the door and they like open it because I think there's actual discrimination
laws, like they can't not let you in unless there's an actual security concern.
So I go in and she's like, oh welcome to Tiffany, you know, what can I what can I help you with today? And I'm like, oh, I'm just browsing and she goes, what do you mean?
Like is there a particular collection you'd like to look at? Do you know which floor you need to go to? I'm like, no
I'm just looking around and she's just like
you need to go to? I'm like, no, I'm just looking around.
And she's just like, cannot fucking believe her ears.
Like has never heard the word browsing.
You mean you don't know exactly
which of our fabulous creations
you wish to go home with today?
Do you even know who I am?
I am the salesperson at Tiffany London
How dare you you waste my time like dude? I?
could not
believe it
So anyway, we go in and I'm pretty sure they had someone tailing us the whole time I
Mean, yeah, I would I I probably would. But dude, this store was so far up its own rectum.
Like I couldn't even believe it, it was beautiful.
Obviously.
Like they have this entire like sitting room
where I guess you could, I don't know,
have a tea party or something like it.
Oh, oh I think I have a selfie.
I can send it to Dan.
We took a selfie in the Tiffany store. While you do that. because that's the only thing Yvonne's getting from the Tiffany store
You mentioned how you guess the price because and you have to ask someone because there's no prices listed. I found another
Watch that I laughed at internally and I decided to see how much it would cost
so I clicked on it on their website and their options were normally like, you know, That would be our schedule an appointment request assistance or learn more about pricing
Mm-hmm
No two diamonds Harry Winston once said no two diamonds are alike as each is a fine jewel from the house of Harry Winston
Yeah, no, yeah
Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. So here's what Yvonne got from the Tiffany store. So this is just there's a bunch of like little chairs and
couches like that. So she's got a jean jacket on under her like a Ritzia like like winter
coat. And yeah, we're both like not particularly put together because we basically haven't slept in days
Anyway, and I have a backpack on if there's anything that's gonna sketch out a fine jewelry store
It's walking in with a backpack
Anyway, we we looked at a couple things we found a we found a
Like a like a choker that was like 148,000 pounds or something.
I asked Yvonne to guess the price.
She said she thought it would be 70 or 80,000.
I was like, oh, yeah, try almost doubling it.
Because that's the thing, this brand name jewelry
is not just overpriced, like diamond cartel overpriced.
It's like diamond cartel overpriced, and also they diamond cartel overpriced and also they need to have
their ludicrous markup on top of it. So you pay just an obscene amount anyway.
After we walked out of Tiffany, Yvonne admitted that it was her perception of it as being like
not actually, she thought it was like fashion jewelry basically, but like premium fashion
jewelry. She was like, okay, no, I'm pretty
sure these guys are there, but I'm pretty sure Harry Winston is still like a level above.
And what I will say is that while I didn't feel quite as unwelcome at Harry Winston,
I think that's only because they didn't really let us see anything or go anywhere. Oh, we
were very welcome to stay in the foyer
So they had like an electronic lock like you I do like I do like get the guy's attention
I didn't help that Yvonne was trying to walk past the store because she was absolutely
Mortified after having gone into Tiffany and feeling so unwelcome there no surprise
So she tried to get past it so I was like dragging her back toward the doorway and I was like, and so the guy lets us in and he's like,
what can I help you with today? I'm like, oh I just want to look around. He's like,
okay. So they have like an electronic lock. It goes like, like opens up. He
opens up the door. It's like this heavy door. So you go inside and they're like,
oh what can I help you with today? I'm like, oh just looking around. around and unlike Tiffany where you can walk all the different floors and like look around at all the different
You know showcases and stuff in this one
You go in and there's like a handful of things on display and there was another client there that was evidently playing some kind
of event dude
Her husband or husband to be was the most bored ass looking dude that I've ever seen in my life
Well, she's discussing whether her hair will be up or her hair will be down,
or her hair will be Winston Diamond, whatever.
Anywho, we were able to look at a couple little things.
There was a watch with no price tag on it,
as you can probably imagine.
So talking to that lady that was in there
working with them on something,
they talked about, oh, going upstairs and seeing something.
Well, no one invited us upstairs.
And in fact, there was like three people between us
and any further access to the place.
So we just kind of did a loop in the little like lobby area
and then we left.
As far as I can tell from their websites,
find a salon, they call them salons.
As far as I can tell from their websites,
you have to book appointments.
Oh, really?
So that's probably why they were like, what the heck?
Also, they have a
Point this out. They have a ring the bell icon for assistance
Which is just?
That's just amazing. I don't know why I like that so much. Okay, so is it this one? Yeah, so let's just pick this random one
Yeah, schedule an appointment or request assistance. They want you to like-
Those are both the same thing. They know that right?
Yeah, okay cool, right? Yeah.
Okay, cool.
But, yeah, I think the reason why they're asking you
like hello is because they're expecting people
to show up with appointments.
Well, I guess like their personal assistants
would make an appointment for them, right?
Yes.
Well, mine must have forgotten to call, sorry.
Way to go, Vance.
Um, he's not my personal assistant.
I don't have a personal assistant.
Right, right, right.
He's an executive assistant. He like works for the company
Anyway, I don't know. I don't know sure what happens. Don't hit the bell. I just hit the bell
It's just a link. There's a Rolls Royce outside
Okay, so what's the difference? What's happening for inquiry?
Yeah, rich people don't have time to fill out this form. Schedule an appointment.
Do their work for them. What do you think you're doing here?
This is a Vance form.
Wait, is it not the same?
Is it the exact same thing whether you want to schedule an appointment or request assistance?
It's formatted slightly differently, but like salon details date your information, your preferences.
Request assistance.
Okay, so request assistance is an online request thing.
So you can get information online
and scheduling appointment is scheduling appointment
to go in in person.
Dan's Galaxy says, see this, this is in Fliplane Chat,
says, see this is what I would do if I were Linus Rich.
Have something which very clearly indicates my wealth,
but hide it.
Go into places like this,
wait for them to treat you like crap, go, okay, well, I will take my, you know, I'll take my money to your competitor,
flash the wealth and walk out. I'd get such a kick out of them realizing they lost a sale
because of being snooty.
It sounds like YouTube videos from 2009.
Yvonne was telling me about this lady that that got like basically like treated rudely somewhere
Who walked in with cash?
counted it in
Front of the staff and then was like actually I changed my mind and then left was like damn. Yeah
I
Don't know man for me. I
Just don't value what they're selling.
Yeah.
Like, at all.
I- the- the thing you do I think is fine. I think the- the like, counting the cash out and then leaving...
I feel like the person who counted the cash out-
Oh, they're- they're- they're as far up their own ass as the-
Oh yeah.
Oh, 100%.
And they're very're they're as far up their own ass as the oh, yeah, and they're very ego hurt a hundred percent
Well, you just like kind of going in and be like wow lol and then leaving
Is fine in my opinion look I wouldn't do it, but I think it's funny sure that's all I'll say yeah
That's all I'll say yeah, I mean
This entire interaction this entire world is funny. Oh, yeah, can we agree on that at least?
Oh, yeah, I don't know for me. I just I don't This entire interaction, this entire world is funny. Can we agree on that at least?
I don't know.
For me, I just, I don't,
yeah, I don't value what they're selling at all.
And for me, I don't need any of it.
Like I just, I look at it and I'm just like, yeah.
In some cases, right?
Like it's stuff that I, if I wanted to, like it's stuff that I if I wanted to
Like it's not a secret what car I drive. Yeah, you could
It's actually better for me to just
Be able to really
Honestly, sincerely say I could but I actually wouldn't
Because it's ridiculous dude diamonds have come down so much like
compared to when I bought Yvonne her engagement ring which was you know 14
years ago or whenever it was I should know that yeah no I'm right though so I
got it so we're good so compared to when I when I bought Yvonne her engagement ring 14 years ago
Dude we were just like
At like a more like regular jewelry store because I was like, okay I have I just completely lost touch with the market right because we were looking at some of the stuff at like Tiffany and Harry
Winston, so we were we were just like looking at some stuff
They've got like these huge lab-grown that are like, you know, five grand.
That would have been 25, $30,000, like even 10 years ago.
It's crazy.
I mean, it's a good thing because they were ridiculously
overpriced, they're still ridiculously overpriced,
but it seems like, you know, if you just want like
a gemological, you know, symbol of whatever,
it seems like they're a lot more- Gemological? Yeah, no, I'm just- If you just want a gemological symbol of whatever,
it seems like they're a lot more...
Gemological?
Yeah, no, I'm just...
Is that a thing?
Yeah, gemological's a word, but I didn't use it correctly.
If you just want a gem symbol of something,
boy, are they ever more affordable.
So that's one thing that isn't affected
by inflation so much.
Dude, lab-grown diamonds, apparently you can buy,
Yvonne found a lab-grown diamond machine on AliExpress,
or Alibaba or something.
You just make your own?
You have to, I mean, you need access to seed diamonds,
and you need super high power,
because you need a tough fricking ton of power.
So that's the thing, lab-grown diamonds are like not eco-friendly in case you were wondering
Oh, like yeah my like, you know mining the earth or whatever is like not eco-friendly or whatever, but lab-grown diamonds also
Not eco-friendly you have a lot of power at the lab
The lab building has tons of power. Yeah. Used to be a steel plant. Maybe, no, it was sheet metal fabrication.
So they didn't make steel.
Yeah, they just bent it.
Still a lot of power needed for that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
A lot of power at the lab.
LTT lab grown diamonds.
Let's go.
I'm going to see if I can find it.
LTT lab lab.
I'm going to see if I can find this.
You can do it. Oh, here's a tester machine. Yeah not the same. Yeah, but it's still requires a ton of power
There's a huge amount of power at the lab get all right
I've grown down the tester. Oh here it was maybe. Oh, maybe I'm the one who sent this to her
Yeah, ours technica article 200 grand. There's something on Alibaba. That's 200 grand. Why not dude?
There's everything on Alibaba here it is
synthetic diamond making machine whoa
Big oh dude. Yeah, no it's like a whole thing
Like actually for real. I don't know if we could power this thing there
Ultra high pressure press machine whatever because you need a ton of heat you need a ton of pressure
And even then it's not it's not instantaneous
Cool, huh should we do a review? Yeah? Why do you use domestic super hard material industry?
Whatever whatever whatever I wonder how long it would take to get an ROI or something like that
I don't know I mean at the rate that diamond values are plummeting probably a while
This is probably why?
Langley man says LTT diamond encrusted gold Xbox controller. Let's go
Let's go like one in every
Ten one in every I don't know
50,000 orders on LTT stores diamond encrusted
Jerry Rick everything apparently
Did a video recently on the process of of man-made diamonds well?
Wild dude who's leaving reviews of this machine apparently there's a review of it hold on I miss this
I
Don't I don't see it you guys that's okay
I think we've probably exhausted the the interestingness of this topic at this point
Yeah
But yes diamond shopping at Harry Winston amazing. Yep. I
It's it's wild to me like how much inventory there is in this stuff
Like not even at because I can understand having a bunch of inventory at your London like flagship store or whatever.
Did you pay for you?
Yeah, fine.
But I was at the airport and there was like a,
I think Citizen, I don't know, some watch brand.
And just like there in the store, the $40,000 watch.
And sure, a lot of that is just markup.
Like it's not real, it's not real value.
It's what hopefully someone will pay for it,
but it's not actual, you know, they didn't pay that much for it. But in cases
like that, that's probably a gold watch, like it actually does have like actual cost of
materials in it. And so that's just one location in one airport, you know? Like the amount
of inventory these companies have to have to carry, it's flipping wild to me. Are that
many people buying these things do you think they self recycle?
Because you could you could pluck the gems melt the gold and probably reuse the the timepiece itself
I doubt it because I think if they did that lose like the face someone would leak it and it would come out that they like
Were melting them down and they couldn't sell them and it would like reflect badly on the brand. I totally don't think so.
Someone says make as advised I buy them secondhand as my full-time job.
I can even understand that though.
Like I could almost okay.
Like almost even like the worst depreciating asset you you know, the worst money burning purchases, like
you know cars and jewelry or whatever else, they can be appreciating assets if
you're an extremely savvy buyer. For sure. And like I would have no problem, I
wouldn't want to spend money on a watch, but I'd have no problem tying up some
cash in a watch that would hold its value or whatever else. Again, it's not
a thing that has a ton of value to me. I've got a unicorn on my watch. I just need to
tell the time and also I have a unicorn on my watch.
And it moves. Good luck.
It grins at me when I want to tell the time. like it's I don't know man Like I just don't I just don't really care
But if if you're the kind of person that cares about that then
Apparently Patek Philippe watches have unicorns on them says ether dark is that right? I was gonna say that sounds like a fatigue for the lip
complication really Those guys are crazy. I don't know maybe I was gonna say that sounds like a fatigue complication.
Really?
Those guys are crazy.
I don't know, maybe I'd be into that.
No.
It'd be analog.
Entropy says buy pinball machines.
Those feel like they've kind of peaked.
I don't know, man.
I feel like the nostalgia for pinball machines
is only gonna-
The generation that liked them.
Yeah.
I think hit their peak purchasing. What's pinball?
Yeah, is that a computer? Is that come on Windows XP?
Yeah, I really don't know about that guys, okay, what else we got I do want about I do I do want to pinball machine
But I want to play it. I don't want it to like have it appreciate one last thing
This is the most prestigious point of a page
Pretentious story not prestigious most pretentious point of a page. I think I've ever scrolled to in my life
Oh, yes, I'm just lounging back in my chair evaluating my box of enormous gems and also a tiara
Next to that is something that proclaims that I'm the king of a very expensive thing. Yes
Very good. Wow
I'm a man of many brilliant facets much like the rare jewels that I built my life around
Yes in fairness to him. He didn't write that yeah, he probably thought it
I'm leaving now this website just makes me mad.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Federal judge approves California's ban on addictive feeds for minors and notification
restrictions. A federal judge has upheld a law signed by California's governor that
restricts serving addictive feeds to minors unless the platform obtains verifiable parental consent.
The new law makes it unlawful for the operator of an addictive internet-based service to
provide an addictive feed to a user unless the operator does not have actual knowledge
that the user is a minor.
It also restricts sending notifications to minors between 12 and 6 a.m. and between 8 a.m. and 3 p.m. Monday through Friday, August
through May. The judge granted a preliminary injunction against the
notification provisions stating that NetChoice is likely to succeed on its
First Amendment claim. However, he denied injunctions against all other
provisions of the law. Tech lobby NetChoice, which represents Google Meta
and Snap, challenged the law on the basis
that it violates the First Amendment.
Opponents claim it could restrict non-minors access to feeds.
Okay, who cares?
And means that platforms would need to gather more private information on their users, as
if most social media doesn't already know our age.
This was meant to be just kind of like a quick update, but yeah, they're finally regulating addictive social media for kids. Sort of. Look at that.
Because everybody's just gonna say they're not a kid.
Yeah. I think the only way this is actually gonna be maybe helpful is if
your parent already makes it so that like your device is locked down or whatever right?
But I mean that's not the state's job to make sure that parents parent
Yeah, but at least this is providing tools for parents to actually restrict access to this stuff. I don't know I'm
Would you prefer as a parent would you prefer that the options were available or that it's enforced by the law?
Because like I prefer to have the tools
Grand nice good granular tools easy to use tools
I would love to see state money go into educating parents and making information about these tools available to me
Like if Metta was forced, it's a lot of parents have no idea
This is if Metta was forced to advertise's a lot of parents have no idea this is a thing. If Metta was forced to advertise these tools
to people who are likely parents, I'd be down for that.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's kind of like we've had media laws
for a long time.
There's like in Canada, for instance,
you've been required to have a certain amount
of Canadian content if you broadcast in Canada.
Like I could see social media platforms
that have addictive features,
much like you force the cigarette companies
to have warnings on their packages,
you basically say, okay, look,
10% of your ad impressions are going to have to be
warning parents about, or like warning people about,
or providing them with access to tools,
like gambling too.
Like they have to spend a certain amount of their proceeds
on, not a certain amount of their proceeds,
rather on their advertisements.
They have to have like the helpline and stuff like that.
Yeah.
So I would, I basically, I'd like to see a similar approach
where you are sort of forced to build awareness for the tools to manage this addiction.
Yeah, it's not perfect because like you said, it's not the state's job to parent is like making this
a like, you know, making it a law that notifications can't come through between a certain time. It's
like, okay, that seems cool, but I don't also necessarily want the government making that a law.
I think making it a law that that has to be an option for the parent to select. I think that's like, okay, cool. Nice.
I don't know. Either way.
Details have emerged about two sovereign Russian game systems.
Russian President Vladimir Putin called for Russia to look at producing stationary and
portable game consoles along with an operating system and a cloud-based distribution system
back in March of 2024 after major game makers halted official sales to Russia.
The first console is based on the homegrown dual-core Elbrus processor, which uses a very
long instruction word architecture. The Elbrus processor has
previously been described as completely unacceptable for most tasks.
Nice.
Hold on, where's our first system here? Hold on. No pictures? Are there any pictures of
these, Luke? Do you want to check the sources while I keep doing the thing?
Sure.
The second system is a cheap gaming stick
being developed by prominent Russian telecoms company MTS.
It includes an Xbox-style controller
and is based on low-end hardware with just enough power
to connect to a cloud-based gaming service
called MTS FogPlay.
One sec, sorry, are you looking for the Elbrus processor
or the consoles?
Consoles.
Got it. FogPlay, I love that. It's fogus processor or the consoles? Consoles. Got it.
Fog play, I love that.
It's fog, it's not the cloud, it's the fog.
It's lower.
All the heavy lifting is done in a data center.
Neither of these is expected to have the power to compete head on with industry leaders,
so Russian politicians are asking developers to create unconventional games.
A third portable system is reportedly being developed by Rosa IT Research and Development
Center, though details are sketchy at best
Not really getting pictures
bummer
What am I looking at here Jordan his discussion question is did you see that Tetris minesweeper hybrid?
Yeah, what is this to do with this topic Tetris is from Russia?
hybrid. Yeah. What is this to do with this topic? Tetris is from Russia. Okay. And it's a video game. Okay. What am I looking at here? So you have to... Tetris, but then you also have to play
Minesweeper at the bottom. I don't understand. The only thing I don't get is what is the... how does
the game work? Like how does the Minesweeper I understand
you're playing Minesweeper good lord but why does it matter um okay well you
maybe it's a score multiplier oh my god but like coming soon okay wow what
happens my brain okay score two point something times okay my brain would hurt
so my brain hurts just watching that oh
I would love that that would work great for me. No. I think these are the only official photos
this
Okay, because it this looks like it says fog play yeah, so I think this is the stick
Yeah, and this thing probably interacts with the stick. That's a cheap Android streaming box remote
Yeah, the other console said that it had an Xbox like controller, so I think this is
the only thing we get to see is that controller. So I think this is it. Well
good luck everybody. Yeah. Here's a fun one. Sorry, someone in
someone in Floatplane chat said, Fogplay? Kinky, you need to get
offline a little bit more often. On January 1st at 8 40 a.m. a bomb was
set off at Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas. The suspected bomber used a
cyber truck to deliver the payload. Fortunately most of the explosion
apparently like went upward and even the windows of the hotel were not broken and
I think there was only a couple minor injuries. So that could have been a lot worse.
Obviously never good, could have been worse though.
Later that day, the Las Vegas police
expressed their gratitude to Elon Musk, quote,
he gave us quite a bit of additional information
in regards to how the vehicle was locked after it exploded
due to the nature of the force from the explosion,
as well as being able to capture all of the video from Tesla charger stations across the country.
He sent that directly to us, so I appreciate his help on that. Yeah.
This obviously raised extra questions about Tesla's control over their vehicles.
It's no secret that the network Tesla built, superchargers, the phone app, the remote access,
etc. is a huge selling feature for the car.
But people are bringing the concerns up about camera access,
which is a recurring topic on the WAN show actually.
This is similar to an incident that happened roughly
in 2019 to 2022, where a group chat was being used
to send invasive videos and images
recorded by customers' cars, which we also reported on.
Cool. Discussion question.
Features like built-in dash cams
are becoming more popular in vehicles.
Should companies immediately have access to this footage,
or is this something that customers should opt into?
My car gets so much cooler, like every day.
I'm so, so okay with having the car that I still have.
It's so great. Every time I get into it, I just feel a wave of appreciation for the fact that it
just turns on and works and gets me where I need to go and there's really nothing else going on.
And it's great. So all the Elon stands that like crap on me every time I'm like, hey,
Elon stands that like crap on me every time I'm like hey
The guy stands for nothing and has no principles whatsoever like obviously
Are you guys done with that now?
No Like is this is this no no warrant no?
Nothing is this not like the least American thing ever it feels like it to me can y'all
Can y'all stop I?
Don't I?
Don't think this is just Tesla. I would say oh no no it's no no no make that point for sure
It's it's just the the way that
the way the defenders try to twist these actions is
Very
Is very difficult for me to stomach when the red flags are not just red flags. They're like on fire, you know
They're burning. They're burning flags. Yeah
Wow Cool They're burning. They're burning flags. Yeah. Um... Wow.
Cool.
Yeah, this is great.
Uh, Ani Hikage says, uh,
I have a 23-year-old car,
and I want to convert the drivetrain to electric and keep it for another 23 years.
Sick.
Yeah.
Next topic? Yeah. Yeah. Next topic. Yeah.
Meta kills AI generated profiles after uproar.
Meta has removed 28 AI generated Instagram profiles
that they first launched in 2023.
This was today I learned they have their own profiles.
Had no idea.
Yeah, my discussion question for this was,
aren't these platforms supposed to be actively working against AI profile? Since when do they have their own? Anyway, carry on.
I was so weird to read this. The profiles were removed following widespread social
media outrage and concerns about
Blackface as a service? So here's some context for that.
What?
This is, uh, this is not real.
Her kids are not real.
Okay. Um.
Is that relevant?
Yes. Uh, hold on. Let me see if I can find the...
find her
profile because
basically
There's a lot of what?
It's bad. Okay. Just just trust me all right. I'll find it for you, but it's really really bad. Just keep going
Yeah, you can carry on but meta says that it will continue to push AI-generated content in all of its platforms.
Wow, okay.
Meta plans to use the AI-generated characters to drive engagement on its platforms and expect
AI to coexist with human accounts on its platforms over time.
The internet is fake!
The accounts were apparently not actively posting anymore, but would still respond to
interaction so they were still like running, I guess, because they're bots. 404 Media's
Jason Kobler stated that the currently viral meta-AI profiles are old and already inactive
because they were such a colossal failure and were indistinguishable from AI spam. This
inevitable future
Zuckerberg is trying to shove down our throats is being completely rejected and went on to
Give a rundown of some of the generated profiles. Okay, so here's here's one of the profiles for you
Okay. Oh
Got it, so you see what I mean now? Yeah. Yeah
Wow
Can you imagine being in the boardroom where that seemed like a good idea?
Wow
That's kind of epic. That's cool
Wow, that's kind of epic. That's cool. Yeah, wow
That's cool
So so so wait hold on so our generated AI profiles have like
Mm-hmm very
Notable identities mm-hmm
Interesting and, by assuming
those identities, you know,
that are,
that seem to be very
racially and culturally
derived, are achieving
something.
What exactly?
Oh my god.
So, cool. What exactly? Oh my god So cool
Okay, that's weird. Well, I'm happy those already lost
Um yeah, I mean
They've lost the battle, not the war
Isn't that representation of visibility though, but it's representation of an AI bot it's not it's not a person so it being like I don't even want to get into it but it's
yeah it's probably not a safe space for you yeah yeah it's not the same as like
you know the cis white male patrol here yeah I think that we have one beard
white male guy one non beard white male
Yeah, we're not where we have to be
One of our white guys is even blonde
What are you
Are you not blonde brownish? You're a little bit of blonde. There's a little bit blonde in there. He's that's gray
The point is just that like
This ain't our place to
Get super deep into no other than that. This is clearly ridiculous and should be should be laughed at
yelled at for the same for okay
I guess for me what I would say is if there was a white bearded dude
that was an AI profile and it was like, I'm straight!
I'm a proud straight white guy. I'd be like, yeah, that's weird.
Yeah.
I don't want that. You're an AI thing. Just be that. That's fine.
I mean that's just probably not an AI thing. That's probably a real profile, unfortunately.
I'm sure it exists somewhere, but, uh, just, just like just don't have any of that
Yeah, none of it. Just just to have none of that. Just be a just be a little robot thing. It's fine
My goodness
Anywho
The FCC has been blocked from reinstating net neutrality rules
Just a reminder that voting matters a US appeals court has blocked the FCC from reinstating net neutrality rules. Just a reminder that voting matters. A U.S. appeals
court has blocked the FCC from reinstating net neutrality rules, which require internet service
providers to treat internet data and users equally, forbidding fast and slow lanes.
For those of you who aren't up to speed on this, net neutrality is a really, really, really, really,
really good thing. Such rules were initially implemented in 2015 by the FCC under the Obama administration,
but were then repealed in 2017 under Trump.
Biden's FCC voted to reinstate the rules in April of 2024, but they have not yet gone into effect.
The Sixth Circuit judges said a key factor in their decision was the Supreme Court's June 2024
ruling overturning the Chevron Doctrine, which gave deference to government agencies on regulations,
allowing the FTC, FCC, and others to establish federally binding rules without going through
the standard legislative process.
So basically, the FTC and FCC have been defanged at this point.
Judge Richard Alan Griffin wrote that broadband internet is not a telecommunication service,
but an information service, which must be regulated differently under the Communications
Act of 1934.
Um, okay. So, cool. Uh, good job.
Is that good?
No.
Oh, okay. Yeah. I was like, did I read that wrong?
Uh, anyway, the Switch 2 motherboard has been leaked! Yay!
Yay! Apparently, maybe. We're not sure.
Potentially.
Leaked photos. Do you want to pull them up?
Allegedly. Hey, apparently, maybe, we're not sure. Leaked photos, do you wanna pull them up? Proporting to be shots of the yet to be announced
Nintendo Switch 2 appear to show a relatively large
Samsung-manufactured SoC, leading some to worry
that the Switch 2 could be based on eight nanometer
technology from all the way back in 2018,
rather than the four nanometer process
that many Nintendo watchers were hoping for.
Using such an old process would mean that if a Switch 2 were to launch in 2025,
it would be running 7-year-old technology. Just like the Switch 1 was!
Yeah, is that surprising?
Actually, it wasn't. The Switch 1 was running 3-year-old tech at launch.
Others from this almost 4,000-page-long thread on famaboards.com think that it could be anything down to 5 nanometer depending which wild
Speculation you prefer realistically. We're just gonna have to wait for an official announcement to learn anything concrete
But from the number of leaks that have been going on lately. It's coming. It's clearly coming very soon. Yeah very soon
All right, is that it I think that's it for the topics.
Why don't we, uh, why don't we do some, um...
Did we do everything in order today?
Like, is this a proper WAN show?
Did we, did we do things properly?
I think so.
I think so.
Cool, let's do After Dark.
Cool.
I think it's...
That button.
Nice.
I always gotta make sure that I don't push the wrong one and
You guys want yeah?
How about that?
This was handed to me right before when showed I'm sorry
Was it already yeah, I think it was already oh, I only had eyes for these
I'm like
Okay, already give us the shirts and did everything else this is
My first look at a sample. Oh, and you're all like hip and young because they're tall
So what's funny is I never?
dude the number of like quote of quote unquote Gen Z things
that they're killing that millennials did
that I'm like, blah, blah, blah,
Gen Z is killing drinking alcohol
and Gen Z is killing ankle socks
and Gen Z is killing this and Gen Z is killing that.
I'm like, dude, it goes to show all you gotta do
is just stay right in the same place
and everyone's gonna come right back around to you
Yeah, no crew socks are great cuz you get a little bit of that I don't like the compression effect
That's blood pooling. I
Find I'm less likely to get shin splints with them. I don't get shin splints. Maybe that's why I don't care. Yeah, that's why
Okay, so one of the things that I'm trying to check is if it's weave is dense enough.
He's product evaluating.
This is the first time you've seen this pair, I think.
Is that right?
First time.
Are you trying to see if you can see the light through them
or something?
Yeah.
That's why he's holding it up to the light.
There's a light right here.
Yeah.
Right there off camera.
Density could be a little bit better, but the cushion is really nice on the up to the lane. There's a light right here. Yeah, yeah off-camera density could be a little bit better
But the cushion is really nice on the toe in the heel whoa
and
The last sample that I have from this supplier while the density of the weave is not quite on par with the darn tufts
What I have noticed is that the shedding is much less
Which is a solid indicator for, for long-term quality. Interesting. They've gone with a really thick, they've
gone with a really thick pad at the, at the back of the, of the ankle where that,
what's, that's your Achilles I guess right interesting okay well I will be
trialing these I am very excited because not because they actually seem initially better than
the darn toughs but because the last sample we got from these guys which these do seem improved
over the last sample we got from these guys, which these do seem improved over, the last sample we got from these guys,
once I started actually wear testing them,
really impressed me.
The, they are merino by the way,
people are asking if they're wool.
The drying, outstanding, comfort, outstanding,
shedding, outstanding, and padding was quite good.
So we've improved them a little bit
and we will see how they go.
Boosted asks, why not collaborate with Darn Tough?
We would be open to something like that.
Top Gear asks, lifetime replacement?
Unlikely, I don't think, based on how quickly
I've chewed through all my Darn Tough socks,
and to be clear, they've longer than any others. I've had
But a lifetime warranty for socks is basically just telling people two-for-one
And so I don't know that we would necessarily do that, but I don't know where our pricing is gonna end up, right?
We're gonna have to figure out what our overall
value
Proposition is I mean, I hope you would have at least two. At least? Dang it. Dang
it. Dang yourself. I'm so sorry. That was a little rough.
Alright, what are we supposed to be doing? You want some merch messages? Oh sure, yeah.
Hey you and.dll, I recently received a promotion in my ID job with an obvious track
for promotion.
I'm feeling like I'm where I want to be in life.
When did you feel that way and what markers were there?
It's cool that you recognize that.
I feel like a lot of people don't until it's passed.
The whole good old days thing. I've caught myself there before and I've
recognized when I was in that time before. Both have been true. I don't know though.
My big I made it moment was on camera. I Finally made it house theater room build
It was sick. It was like
Yep, I'm done. This was this was such a huge. This was such a huge goal for me. It was so cool
turning that thing on
in terms of like financially I would say that
It was actually a lot more recent than that because we've, Yvonne and I have gone
chips in many, many times on the company and we did it for what I think was probably
the last time on the lab, on like the building, kind of like laying the foundation to build
that out.
And we are not in sort of an amount of debt that I find overwhelming anymore.
And we have no intention of going heavy into debt again,
I would say is what gives.
And you know what?
The amount of debt that we were in
at all those different stages
wouldn't have stressed me out as much as it did
if it wasn't for the industry that we were in.
Like if I was working a nine to five in a position
where if something went wrong,
I could get a position at another company or whatever.
If I knew that my income was sustainable,
I don't think it would have been a huge problem.
But when you like, let's go way back, right,
to when we bought this office.
When you buy an office building for a million dollars,
which was an astronomical amount of money
for the company at the time,
and then you spend hundreds of thousands more
building it out, and you're just like, oh my gosh,
we're like, will our channel be deleted tomorrow? Because I don't have the income to like pay my
home mortgage and this. If everything goes completely wrong, you know, so there's this like,
there's this period of, of instability, you know, every, every time because you don't feel like it's forever.
And I think I've kind of, I think I've kind of gotten over that now. Like it's like that,
that constant, I mean, you remember the constant fear of like, this could disappear tomorrow, right? Like I don't think that...
Okay, well I don't think it's as much.
You have to consider that like this thing literally didn't exist in
2006. Oh, yeah. No, I mean I always joke about how my career counselor in high school had no shot
Literally impossible YouTube wasn't a thing. Yeah. Yeah, so like oh man and then like
Honestly to make an assumption that an internet company would even last this long back then was insane Making an assumption that a web media company would last this long today. Yeah exactly. Is crazy. Like is YouTube still gonna be a thing? Are you trying to get me anxiety?
Is YouTube still... he works better when he's under pressure.
Is YouTube still gonna exist in 10 years? I think so. I think so? I think so.
YouTube has figured out the key. The key is to reinvest in your creators
That's what all the platforms that have come and gone never figured out. 100%. YouTube invests heavily
Are they gonna be here in 20 years? Back in their creators
Well, someone else could figure that out
It hasn't happened yet. I don't know why. Is this greed?
Is web video even still gonna be how people consume content in 20 years? I don't know why is other than just greed web video even still gonna be how people consume content in 20
I don't know
AI is gonna change more than we think like will there be any value to me making a video when an AI can just crap out
You know cats in a field or the cat Christmas. I came across some of this like cat Christmas train AI video on Facebook at some point
Of course, it was on Facebook to you. Christmas train AI video on Facebook at some point. It's just like, oh my God.
Of course it was on Facebook too.
Of course it was on Facebook.
I don't know, but what I do know is that
I stress out about it less because I'm not
in one of those precarious chips all in positions.
So that helps.
And I know that we have a good team
and we have a creative team and we've diversified.
We're actually working on how does LMG make money 2024
right now.
And the reason it's called 2024 is even though the video
is gonna come out in 2025, it's gonna be based on
our 2024 financial year.
So Elijah has been tasked with it
and he's been going around like interviewing various people
because in the past, like I did these videos but I
actually thought this might be even more interesting if we have an outsider
because he's not involved in the financial dealings of the company he
just gets his paycheck right like him so he's like talking to Nick about you know
create a warehouse he's like talking to Colton about business he's talking to
like Josh from accounting about like money just like kind of trying to piece it together.
And I might end up having to make some corrections
to the script or whatever else.
You might end up making some assumptions,
but I think it's gonna be really interesting
to see that perspective instead of just the like,
because I sometimes forget what I know,
or I forget what I know that you don't know
or don't know that you don't know.
Or like I have blind spots because I've been looking so closely at
it for functionally like half of my adult life right and I'm not trying I'm
not trying to doom and gloom but like basically unless you like work in a
trade basically because I don't see those going anywhere who knows what's
gonna exist in ten years, 20 years?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is what it is.
If you work for, like, any tech company, basically,
um, like, do I think we'll be able to ride the wave?
Yeah.
Do I know we're gonna ride the wave?
No.
No.
Not technically.
Bigger companies than us have failed.
Yeah.
Smarter people than us have failed.
And doing like every day, basically.
Like it's, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Happy Holidays from France.
Listening to six month old WAN shows on road trips is interesting.
How often do y'all take a look back at what you've been doing to inspire what you do moving forward?
Not very often I feel like for I
Was gonna say it's usually thrust upon me more than anything. Yeah, I think the audience brings it back to us
they'll post like funny memes from older videos or
I
Mean, yeah
That's I think the main vehicle by which old content is brought up to me
or something, one that comes up for me often
is I'll look at the 60 minute real time viewership
because it'll surface videos that like had a little spike
and it'll be like, oh yeah, that thing,
that was kind of cool.
Like one showed up for me yesterday,
the 500 FPS gaming PC.
Allegedly, a new GPU might be coming from Nvidia soon.
So I sent that over to the content team.
I was like, hey, next writers meeting,
let's schedule the 1000 FPS gaming PC.
Let's see if we can hit 1000 FPS in like, you know,
some games.
And that'd be fun.
We did it as a live stream last time.
I think we could do it as a live stream again. I think that'd be fun. We did it as a live stream last time. I think we could do it as a live stream again.
I think that'd be a blast.
Yeah, one thing that I actually do like is the,
I don't know if other Android versions do this, probably,
but the pixel photo memories thing.
Yeah, yeah.
So, we're talking about CES a bunch this week.
I had a photo memory come in through my reel
of Brandon, Taron, and I gearing up for CES in I think week. I had a photo memory coming through my reel of like Brandon, Taron,
and I gearing up for CES in like, I think it was like 2016 or something. And it's like, oh wow,
yeah, cool. I guess like flight day that year was today, this year. It's interesting. I like stuff
like that. More? Yeah. Hi, wan.dll. Been a been a fan for 12 years, and I'm now in the midst of a PhD studying GaN and AN transistors.
I think that's an L.
AL?
Yeah, lowercase.
I've not heard of those ones.
So gallium nitride and probably aluminum...
Nich?
...nitrile something.
No, no, nickel is Ni.
It doesn't matter.
It's okay.
Oh, they're the periodic symbols. Yeah, you got it
What is the coolest chip level tech you've seen demoed that didn't catch on
HBM octane, etc. Well HBM has caught on. Yeah, has that HBMs big news in the data center?
Even if it's not really a big deal for consumers
Octane though. Yeah, dude 3D cross point, so cool.
Man, if I had to, I don't know about chip level tech,
but I would say that the coolest tech
that I wish had caught on, even though it doesn't matter
now that we have OLED, is SED.
These things looked so flipping cool.
Man, who was it?
Canon, Canon was working on this.
Canon's SED, hold on, images.
Man, where would I even find this?
Here, here you go.
Dude, this stuff looked flipping wild.
It was like CRT, everything that's good about a CRT,
but this flat.
Whoa! Yeah. It was like CRT everything that's good about a CRT, but this flat
Yeah, and this was like back in the mid 2000s or whatever
surface conduction electron emitter display oh
So cool was supposed to bring the best of both LCD and CRT, but it didn't work out Oh the stuff was so cool. You know why it didn't work out. I think it was expensive or there was like patent disputes
2004 Canon and Toshiba announced they had the answer
Super predicted that by 2010 at least a third of TVs over 40 inches would be s CD
It was supposed to be easy. They can be printed with an inkjet type device. However
Report the companies were having trouble with yields Canon announced it was still working to bring down production costs and blah blah blah
Cost five times as much as LCDs to produce. So yeah, there you go
It's a shame really as
SED was by far the best quality of all the flat panel displays like this it from what I saw it looked like it was going
to be absolutely bananase.
Awesome.
As far as I can tell, it was patents.
Applied nanotech, a subsidiary of NanoProprietary holds a number of patents related to FED and
SED manufacturing.
Anyway, bummer.
No, nobody's still working on it.
It's well dead and buried.
Work as a carpenter building new houses. Love using new tech in the trades. Is there any
tech that you think should be standard in new homes or to be used by tradesmen?
Standard in new homes. I mean, a lot of stuff that I would care about is already happening
Like they're wiring houses up for Ethernet now, which is which is good conduit. Well, okay conduit. Yeah
That's not new tech though. Yeah conduit is king. It's not new tech though. Okay, Jack Logan says heat pumps. I
Read an article today that blew my flipping mind
I read an article today that blew my flipping mind. Apparently they're like having a really hard time getting heat pumps to take off in Germany because
like it's become a politicized issue or something because some of the previous
messaging around it was that it's more environmentally conscious and so people
certain people,
are just having like a knee jerk,
you can't take away my natural gas reaction to it,
or something.
And I'm just, I was reading this,
and you know when you just are reading an article
and then your brain hurts?
And you immediately get a headache,
and you're like, what are you fucking stupid?
Are you actually a fucking idiot?
Like, do you have a functioning brain stem?
Like, so it's like talking about how like heat pumps,
I mean, they've been around freaking forever
and they're just obviously a good idea.
The only thing I've heard negatively about them.
Obviously.
I have no idea if this is true or not, but I've heard...
I have no idea.
Yeah.
But I've heard that some cities, the combination of EVs and heat pumps taking off and all this
kind of stuff, their electric delivery infrastructure is starting to be very taxed.
I could see that being kind of challenging, but at the...
But I need to just figure it out.
At the rate of penetration in Germany, I'd say that's probably not the issue.
It's just that they're not being adopted at all.
Did the sick move of just shutting down all their nuclear plants and then buying power
from Russia. Yeah.
Or you know, if they have to go around the loop, then they buy energy that is sold from
Russia to India and then repackaged in India and then sold to the states and repackage in the states
And sold to sold to Germany that that's another that works too. That's definitely that's good, dude
He heat pumps are amazing the one drawback and this is quite overcome with current generations one
Generation ones, but the the one drawback is that in very low outside temperatures
They can have a hard time heating because there just isn't enough heat
to pump right to the house.
But like, oh my God, heat pumps are just obvious.
If you can like look at one number,
be like more better than other number.
Like, oh, dude, I just, oh, it made my brain hurt so, so much.
Yeah.
Geothermal heat pumps are awesome
and overcome that problem.
That's not gonna be available for everyone though.
Yes, yeah, that's not something
you can just do at home necessarily.
I haven't heard of that though and it sounds sick.
Although I would love to see something like that
become mainstream, okay sure, there,
that's gonna be the thing that I'd love to see something like that become mainstream. Okay, sure, there, that's gonna be the thing
that I'd love to see become mainstream
is just right before you,
because anything can be economical if it's...
So build like a geothermal pump
for the apartment building, basically.
Well, no, apartment buildings, yeah,
you could do that relatively easily.
Linus doesn't use a heat pump, sure does.
Got him.
So what you could do though is if you have the machinery
just ready to go easily enough,
if it's just something you can rent,
bring on the back of a truck to a construction site,
it drills down deep enough that you get below the point
where the temperature stays basically the same.
Just kind of like goes down, like hollows out a thing, and then you just embed the thing,
fill it up, and then boom, that's it. It's like a permanent installation in the front
yard of a detached home, or to your point about apartment buildings in the front area
or accessible through the basement, whatever, because you cuz you gotta have access at some point potentially. Yeah
I could someone says that's already starting to happen which is freaking awesome. Yeah sick. Yeah, love it here
Larry underscore DE says German here this discussion sucks ass here. Yeah like that dude that dude
That's wild kind of funny. That's wild brother at least a little bit funny
Yeah, I wish it was funny. I wish I wish it was like
How do things like this end up politicized? I?
Don't get it
Too many things lately have been politicized. I feel like
Math is not political yeah way too many things have been politicized
It's like politics are wrapped into like every single conversation these days and it's really honestly very exhausting.
R.M. Renfield. Linus literally installed his own heat pumps with a bit of help, yes.
Now those are in my old place, but I do actually have...
They're not geothermal, which is what we were just talking about.
No, they're not geothermal. I do actually have two heat pumps at my current place. I just only use the heat during the like kind of changeover period because it is still more economical on our bill to use the in-floor radiant heating. Or not, sorry, not radiant. Whatever, the in-floor water circulating boiler.
There you go, boiler.
Hello, sorry, go for it.
No, I was just going to tell you to go for it.
Oh yeah, sure.
Hello, parasocial friends.
I'm feeling directionless in my career.
I only have experience with video production, but I want to expand into my company's leadership
roles. How do I find fresh footing? Ask your current leader if you can take something off his shoulders,
their shoulders. Hey, I've been working really well with this group of people doing this thing.
I've been working really well with this group of people doing this thing.
What do you think if I manage them?
Pick like two people.
Make it small.
Or ask what it would take.
That's the other thing too, is like start a conversation.
A really good characteristic of a leader
is their ability to have an open and frank conversation.
And so showing that you can do that
I would say would be step one and then from there, you know
If they say like hey, here's what it will take you work toward that and then you have another conversation in six months
If they say no, we're not open to that
Well, hey, that's good for you to know too
So that if that's your goal, you know not to waste too much more of your time there. Yeah
too much more of your time there. Yeah.
It is the second time I get something from LTTStore. Nice. First was a mouse mat, a humongous one, and it stuck with me.
Never ever going to replace it unless it breaks. Any more science behind the
smoothness?
No, it's just, it turns out that making a good mouse pad is just a matter of
using good quality materials. If you use a bad mouse pad it's just it turns out that making a good mouse pad is just a matter of using good quality materials
If you use a bad mouse pad, it's because they didn't pay for the better materials
I don't know what to tell you. It's amazing. It's amazing. How many things are like that?
I was gonna say it still makes me angry the lanyard thing every time you go into it every time you rant about it
I just get more and more angry the l lanyard thing bothers me so much.
Don't think about it.
Don't think about it.
Yo, as a teacher in game development space, more students haven't played the zeitgeist
games like we refer to Half-Life, Deus Ex, etc.
Any modern games you suggest fit the bill for industry shifters?
Modern?
Industry shifters?
Baldur's Gate 3. Baldur's Gate 3
Elden Ring
That's a good one
I don't know if this was an industry shifter
Fortnite
You don't have to like it
but you do have to respect it
The MOBAs are pretty huge
Yeah, the Glegons.
Bejeweled.
What? Peggle.
How's it an interesting shifter?
Look. What do you mean? And it's not modern. It's literally- Modern game? Like, King Activision Blizzard. How old are you?
It's literally modern game like King Activision Blizzard. How old are you?
Have I alica I agree with you will not go away five years old
Okay, all right, all right, all right, okay, I'm I'm talking
iteration or sorry Oh, that's the one I meant you meant candy. Yeah, sorry. Sorry I mean candy I don't play either of them. I figured you might have meant yeah that makes sense
But people are actually backing up a jewel. They're like it's
Yeah, candy crush
It's literally King Activision Blizzard. That's why I said that because I was thinking of candy crush. I'm sorry
I'm sorry. I brain farted it happens from time to time
Happens a lot. This is the new controversy. We can't we can't say we can say modern things
I don't think World of Warcraft counts as modern. No, it doesn't because it's also incredibly old. Yeah
To dawn in that case you'd probably say roblox. Yeah, you could say roblox is
Minecraft modern no, when did Minecraft come out?
I'm guessing 15 years ago
No way. It's a guess. 2009 bloody hell 16 years ago. I was close. Yeah
Is that
Yeah, hard to say. Don't think about it. I don't think that's modern man
Yeah, but the roblox is almost I see this kind of derivative like Minecraft was more of a shifter, you know?
I don't even know cuz-
Yeah, is Roblox even modern? When the devil did Roblox come out?
2006
In Minecraft. Wow. I had no idea. That's hilarious. That's wild. I never heard about it until like a few years ago.
All right. Well, definitely a shifter. Definitely not modern then. Yeah, fair enough.
Fall guys. I don't think Fall Guys was a shifter. No, it was it was a flash in the pan. But I feel
like things being a quick flash in the pan is in some ways a shift that the industry has undergone like look at how quickly pal world
other than the biggest thing ever and then I don't remember them
I mostly remember pal world but a real time
and then
like it yeah a big one I think would be Concord just as a case study a case
study for all time it's definitely gonna shift the way the industry invests in
their gaming projects that's not wrong no one's gonna play it if you see what I
mean Dan pointing out the like you should play this game so you can
understand why spending like whatever 400 you Well you can't even play it. Yeah. Right?
But just as a case study of like industry shifting.
Who's off?
Yeah, one says GT5, I think that's actually,
there's a solid argument to be made there.
GTA Online more accurately I would say
is the industry shifter.
So I agree.
Does it, I think it only counts as modern
because it is still so actively played though
because it is also like 11 years old or something
Twelve shoot
Was it I think it was
Steams summary for this year. I think it was like 25% of all playtime
Ten years or something like that. I meant to add that to the WAN document
I think I think however you might still be able to count that because of specifically GTA 5 online RP
Yeah, because that is not that old. That's a relatively new thing and it absolutely was a game changer. Yeah
Skull and bones, okay
It may be an interesting case study.
I don't think you need to play it though.
I think it's much more interesting if you look
through the development history.
All right, Dan, feel free to like jump in
when we're petering out by the way.
Don't be shy.
Yeah, sure.
It's always a bit difficult. Dear Dan, Luke,
and Linus, I recently got a 7900 XTX Mercury Magnetic GPU. Are you going to give high-end
Radeon 9000 a try? Do you think it'll play through indie in the great circle? And any
thoughts on AMD RTX? From the rumors that I've seen, isn't gonna be radion 9000 and
From the rumors I've seen there isn't going to be high-end radion next-gen, whatever they end up calling it
Will I play through India in the great circle? I want to it actually looks really good. It looks really fun
As for thoughts on AMD's ray tracing
I think the closest thing we have to a representation of AMD's,
what will be AMD's current-gen ray tracing,
allegedly very soon, is the PlayStation 5 Pro,
and it looks like they've made some strides.
Although even there, I think all we saw
was next-generation AI, so next-generation AI upscaling.
I don't think it actually had
next-generation ray tracing yet, did it?
I don't recall it, might've. Anyway, yet did it. I don't I don't recall it might have
Anyway, yeah, it was kind of like a mishmash of their of their last gen and they're like upcoming gen in the PS5 Pro
Let's see if let's see if chat can jump in and correct me here because I'm not sure if I can remember the exact details
There but as for whether we do a Radeon challenge again, I'm not sure I feel like
AMD's driver situation has been resolved well enough
for me. I haven't really had any issues with mine, but as I said last week, my intention is to get a 50-90
at this time. To place lay the spire. Yeah. And dredge. Yeah, and don't forget unravel to a lot sure unravel to yeah
I just started it with Yvonne. Oh, you're two yarn creatures, and you're ravelled
Yeah, it looks I shouldn't say it looks funny because we started it this graphic looks like Pikmin hmm
recent reviews mixed
Yeah, it just seems to be
See
Disappointing oh what really I was able to I didn't notice any of this
When you start playing these are from early December two days ago mid-december yeah, so a
Lot of it's like my save got screwed up because of this.
That's sad. So I think you just didn't experience it. Cool.
Hey DLM, it seems we can never be surprised and all hardware leaks.
When was the last time you were truly surprised by release and why do you think everyone leaks?
Will we ever be able to control it? I was surprised by how good Battle Mage was. Yeah. That's
pretty recent. Um, when was I surprised? Man. Well, certainly not by a pixel phone They're the leakiest of leaky things left at bars um
And
When is someone just like
Completely blindsided everybody if you guys if you guys can think of any I'm I'm absolutely open to
open to suggestions here, and I can tell you if, I mean,
I was very surprised by Apple M1,
but everyone knew it was coming.
We just didn't know how good it was gonna be.
I mean, you're truly surprised by release.
Like I had like a, wow,
I can't believe they kept that under wraps.
More than that.
I have no idea. The performance things, like I think the M1 example is really good battlemage worked for me
But Nintendo has up until this most recent one
I feel like been pretty tight-lipped like the switch I think was probably surprised about the switch. That's a long time ago though
Yeah, I know right
As for why do you think everything leaks?
Well it's because humans are human and they're they're they're flawed and messy
and weak and yeah what do you what do you what do you want? And they're
conflicted. Valve keeps things pretty tight. Yeah, Steam Deck was a big surprise.
Steam Deck came out of nowhere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very true.
I think that's kind of it though. In the spirit of what you said last time, should we move on?
ThirteenLews says, wasn't the Apple M1 a serious surprise?
It was a serious surprise in the same way that like the Apple Car would have been a serious surprise.
Like everyone knew they were working on it. They have literal listings for like, we need someone to run
the Apple car department. We're not working on it though. Right? Like everyone knew they
were working on ARM CPUs. Same as like their 5G modem. Like, yeah, it'll be a surprise
when it comes out finally, because no one thought they were not going to give up on
it at this point. But no, everyone knows what they're working on, so.
There are two holes in the mod mat.
What is it for?
Thanks guys.
Oh.
Aren't they like static wrist rest things?
Yes, and we have kind of a clever attachment mechanism for it.
But they're the little button things for attaching an ESD thing.
Hey, WAN.dll.
I'm currently building a YouTube title and thumbnail AB testing tool, but I'm not sure
how to make it unique.
What do you recommend for such a tool?
Also hey from Ottawa, Ontario.
I have no idea because the truth is even YouTube's own tools are sort of fundamentally flawed and very difficult to glean useful information from
because they don't, through the dashboard or through the API,
provide certain information that you would need.
Like, they don't actually tell you
the click-through percentage and how they compare.
Without knowing that, you don't really know
how effective it is at drawing clicks.
I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what our team would even ask for other than
go look at Mr. Beast's tool that he already made.
Yeah, if you can do it better than that then great.
Find some value add. Yeah.
Linus, do you think you'll talk to a lawyer in case you're forced to testify in the honey trial?
Also, sometimes class action lawsuits will auto opt in, like how Sony sent out checks for leaking customers'
data.
Lucas left the building.
I just like, I don't think people understand what happened.
Honey's not going to trial, by the way.
Um...
What is he gonna testify?
Someone told us through some video that
not as many people watched that it was bad
so we stopped using it.
What, like, What do you want? Greetings, I'm moving on. Greetings, LLD. Have either of you tried Boulantro yet? I got it a few days ago and I cannot stop playing it.
Please send help. It's one of the few good games for mobile but it's also on PC. Thanks. I would
say the other way around but okay dude. You tried it yeah I haven't tried it yet I heard it's really good
though it's a good game I I beat the the highest difficulty thing with a couple
decks that was fun it feels more RNG heavy than slay the Spire does, I think.
This guy.
I got it, dude.
I got it.
Well, I mean, I've also beat-
He's so sweaty!
I've also beat every single highest possible difficulty mode and have every single achievement
for Slay the Spire.
So there's that.
Maybe you're just good at rogue lights.
But yeah, I don't know.
I have three beautiful children got him
Darn it. I can't believe I can collect his achievements. I suck at Bellatron. I don't have a girlfriend
Like I got nothing the goddamn you'll figure it out
And you still can't beat Final Fantasy six yeah
Skill issue, but no I find it. I find it I find it's a little bit RNG heavy for me.
But it's a good game.
And I'm not hating on it, to be clear.
I liked it.
I'm very happy with the purchase.
I bought it.
I had really good fun.
And then I was done with it.
I'm surprised by the people that are like,
I literally can't stop playing.
And they play it for months.
I'm like, I'd. Why are you hating on our audience. I'm like, I... Why are you hating on our audience?
I don't get that.
Why are you hating on them?
Because I know there's a ton of them out there that are like playing Bellatro right now.
I like the fact that people thought it was a genuine game of the year competitor.
I was like, whoa.
Whoa.
You are making so many enemies right now.
100%.
So many people.
It's a great game. It's a fantastic game.
If you like roguelikes, if you like card games and roguelikes, and I'm a Slay the Spire guy, so yuh.
It was like a guaranteed purchase for me. I bought it. I had a really good time with it, and then I was done.
But it's too easy. It's too RNG heavy. It doesn't deserve to be game of the year.
Yeah, what a hater be game of the year.
Yeah, what a hater. What a hater.
Hot talk, why is it such a hater?
It's not a hater, it's a great game!
Such a hater!
I just don't understand playing it forever.
Like, there's, I don't know.
I played it, I had a really fantastic time.
I got to kind of what I decided was the end for me, and then I was like, cool, then I moved on.
You're being such a wheel of fortune right now.
I think you should get it.
It's a fantastic game.
It's a great game.
Didn't come out in 2004, which hurts it,
but it's a fantastic game.
Greetings, Lemur Dino Dingo.
I'm an IT company.
I have 10 years of network experience and a newbie got hired and is making slightly less than me with no experience.
How do I approach my boss?
Uh, hey, I'm gonna go shop around unless you can fix this.
Um, yeah, I mean...
I would...
I would check to try to figure out, depending on the position that you're in, you've been
there for 10 years, are you in the same role?
Should you be in a higher role?
Because certain roles can have a salary cap, effectively.
So if you're, you said a newbie got hired, if you're still in a junior IT role, then
you're gonna have-
Is it possible you're not that good?
Like, maybe you should-
Like, I'm not saying that's the case,
but I'm saying it is a possibility.
It's a possibility.
Or you're just not, you're stuck in a capped role
and are not getting a promotion,
and either that means you need to go somewhere else,
or you need to talk about
why you're not getting a promotion, potentially.
Or like-
Because it could be just a salary ban
and the salary ban is there.
To Luke's point, like you could be capped in that,
anywhere above that, you have to start taking on
like a supervisory or management-
Absolutely.
Responsibilities.
Like I can tell you that in pretty much any organization,
your compensation as an individual contributor
is going to reach a level that can only be broken through if you
can manage because the only way to scale as an organization is to have people who
can who can manage other people like you a flat structure works great in theory
and if your valve works great in practice, but I think valve is literally a free money trick the exception that
Proves the rule right like millions of dollars. Yeah
infinite money hack so
Man that's see that's a tough one. How do you start the conversation though? What's the question like how do I start that conversation?
How do I approach my boss? Hey, I feel like my role has become a little bit stagnant.
Yeah, what would it take for me
to have my compensation increase?
They're probably gonna ask you questions.
Like, what prompted this?
Or what difference are you expecting?
It is never a bad idea to just shop around
on the market either, before you approach your boss.
What you might find out is like, oh crap,
both me and this newbie are actually doing way better.
We're both doing way better than industry average,
because I don't know, like I don't know. I don't know what numbers we're talking about.
It is possible.
And maybe that's part of the rationale at your company
is we already pay really well, that is what it is.
If you want higher pay, you need to be in a managerial role,
or whatever the case may be.
It also is quite possible based on that if you're not really getting increases in compensation over the last 10 years,
that your company is not taking care of people very well,
and that you would be better off just kind of going out and seeing if there's greener pastures out there.
So that way you could decide at that point, do you wanna pursue those greener pastures or do you wanna take a picture of those greener pastures
to your boss and basically go,
hey, are we able to have a conversation
about my compensation?
And if they say yes,
then you have an open and frank conversation
where you basically just say,
look, I feel like with my level of experience,
I should be due for a compensation increase.
Here's what I think it should be.
You don't have to disclose that you have
an actual offer, for instance.
But if they're not open to the conversation,
well then hey, maybe it is time to move on
to somewhere that you're valued.
I would also, I have 10 years of network experience.
That thing, that's an interesting line too,
because, you know,
That's an interesting line too, because, you know, make sure that what you're doing is giving you experience in a thing that you want to do and a thing that has growth potential.
Yeah.
Because if you have 10 years of experience doing-
Sorting thimbles.
At the company, you said network experience was probably quite valuable, but I'm speaking more generally, not necessarily you
specifically, but if you have 10 years of experience sorting thimbles, let's say,
and nobody needs thimbles sorted anymore, then you have 10 years of experience in
nothing. Unless you can find a way to adapt that experience to something else
and make an argument for why it still counts. But that's one of the reasons why Linus is mentioning the whole
management track thing again. Management is one of the easiest things to cross
over. Well it's not easy. People try and fail all the time but it's one of the
most obvious. Yes. There. Yeah. I'll agree with that. So if you have, if you have years of experience managing that can often help you cross over into other fields.
Yeah, a good manager is invaluable, which unintuitively in English means very valuable.
Right. Luke, write a book. Huh? Oh. Hey, y'all. I just got a full tower case,
and I realized that both front fans were backward, and the only intake for four years has been
my power supply fan. What's the biggest long-term PC build mistake that you've made? Not as
big as yours, Rob, because your only intake for four years was nothing your power supply fan is not an intake. It's an exhaust
Yeah, so good job Rob you win
Yeah, so good job Rob.
You win.
Long-term PC build mistake that you've made. Ah gee, I don't know.
Most of them become obvious fairly quickly.
Pretty quick.
We had...
Oh, did we ever have...
I bricked the hack out of a board like right after we became an actual official company.
That was cool.
That's the only motherboard I've ever killed. Yeah yeah but I feel like this is like long term like it was running for a long time I don't I can't
think of anything like that
most most computer problems are genuinely they work or they don't yeah
it'll turn on our to avoid the avoid the ding. They're pretty binary.
But like- That did not avoid the ding.
How did that avoid the ding?
Because no pun intended.
Ugh.
You intended it.
I'm not doing it.
No.
You intended it.
No.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have qualified it.
He's gonna come ding.
All right, you come ding.
There you go.
There you go.
Linus got a ding.
Is that satisfying?
Does it feel good? Actually, yeah. Yeah, nice. Hey, oh, there you go. I mean, it's got a ding. Is that satisfying?
Does it feel good?
Actually, yeah.
Nice.
Hey, that's how you get people's attention
at that fancy jewelry store.
Diamonds, please.
Yeah.
Take my money.
Yeah, but when you do that, you know,
you're kind of a dingus.
Ah!
Because you're always ding us.
Get it?
That's pretty good.
That's why we have the ding.
They're not good.
I enjoy them anyways. The ding is for the bad ones.
I still like them.
I deal-o. First merch message and I finally
get a screwdriver. Buying one
for my birthday tomorrow.
What is Luke's favorite Star Wars
episode? Episode?
I can't remember if you've been asked.
The movies are called episodes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just trying to help you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Season?
Because even though you're named after the main character,
you're just woefully ignorant.
Oh boy. What do you mean?
Jar Jar Binks.
Jar Jar, yeah.
Jar Jar Laughin' Jar.
Jar Jar Laughin' Jar.
Jar Jar Laughin' Jar.
I listened to- That works pretty well.
That's a space character name.
Both of you. I listened to a Star Wars audiobook on the way here today.
Cringe.
Why?
Because it used to be cool.
Oh no, I listened to the old EU ones.
Oh alright.
What were you listening to?
This one wasn't very good actually.
Okay, what was it?
Sestis something? I can look it up. I don't care.
It wasn't very good. All right. Yeah. I wasn't. The one right before it was fantastic.
Oh, Ben Pfeiffer. Yikes. What was...
The book I read before, the book I listened to technically before that was a Timothy Zahn book.
All of his are fantastic. And it was the first book that
MJ is in. The Sestis Deception. Yeah, that was it. I wasn't a huge fan. I normally really like any
any book that features like Clone Wars era Obi-Wan, but I was not that into it is heir to the empire the first one with uh
marriage aid that sounds that's the fron trilogy right that sounds potentially right fron trilogy
is so good yeah so anyways favorite star wars episode
Anyways, favorite Star Wars episode. Yeah, that was Timothy Zahn's first Star Wars book too.
I didn't even know that.
Great book.
Really fantastic.
If this has been a contentious show, you could just say one.
Phantom Menace, are you kidding me?
I told you a contentious show. knew only didn't really like one that much
There it goes that goes the internet good job Luke. Okay. Go ahead favorite episode come on. Let's go. I'm trying to think I'm trying to think I
Don't even remember the name of the most recent three oh
I don't know there's no shot. It's they don't count
Awakens 79 last Jedi
Return of the king I don't know
Star Wars met a marathon, but you just
Man I think it might be
Five oh
Wow, that's the like the safest pick yeah Empire
That's like literally the like I like a good one. Yeah, I want to get crapped on the internet
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say the safest possible thing and go hide in my hidey hole
Like at least at least pick like we're going to the Sith or something. What do you pay revenge?
I'll take revenge of the Sith. Yeah, it's it's modern Star Wars with cool fight choreography and is mostly
Three yeah, three is pretty good. Yes, Jen
You're not even gonna believe me. I was genuinely debating between 3 and other ones because 1 actually sucks
2 is not that interesting right now
But I like I like representing the prequels a little bit. 3 is pretty good
4?
Sorry. 4 is- Did they catch any of that, Dan? Oh yeah. I'm sure they did.
Four I don't think has all that much going on in a modern context. Attack of
the Clones? Are you kidding me? It has like Whirly Yoda. Four? I'll try spinning. Oh sorry, four I was
thinking of two. Spinning's a good trick. Oh, A New Hope? Yeah, but A New Hope is
just, it's such a... I thought that was the safe one.
It's so dig...
No, Empire is the safe one.
Cause A New Hope is generally regarded as groundbreaking
and what started the whole thing,
but not a particularly innovative or interesting film.
Whereas the whole idea of the bad guys win and stuff
and how dark Empire was.
It's widely regarded to be a way better movie.
I genuinely thought four was the safest option.
Oh, okay.
Well, one thing's for sure, you would not win the internet
with my favorite childhood one,
which was Return of the Jedi.
I loved Return of the Jedi.
I loved the Ewoks.
I loved, that was the best lightsaber duel at the time. Yes. It's so much better than what came before. Yeah. Like the
original duel in A New Hope was like old man fight, right? Whereas we're seeing like, you
know, Luke and his prime kind of thing until they completely, you know, changed what lightsaber
dueling is, which, you know, you eventually
kind of come around to because it's pretty cool to watch, you know, spinning CGI Yoda,
you know, fight things or whatever. Empire is Hoff in Cloud City, right? Is it? Is it? Are you trying right now to like upset me?
Is that the one?
I'm still going with number one. I don't care
That's one where they crawl in the animal to stay warm. Yeah, is that that one? Yeah
Is that the one where the guy runs around with the ice cream maker?
Ice cream maker?
You don't even know that one.
What are you even talking about?
Wow, weak.
Yeah, see, someone said yes.
Yeah, cause it is.
Ice cream maker?
Weak. You know nothing.
What are you talking about?
You know nothing.
What?
Is this a meme?
No, it's not, actually.
In Cloud City, one of the guys who's evacuating runs around a corner and he's holding what's supposed to look like futuristic technology, but it's literally
just an ice cream maker from like the the crafty department I'm assuming. And somebody
asked George Lucas about it in an interview, so he gave him a name, so now he has like
lore and stuff, but it's literally just some extra running around a corner holding an ice cream maker.
And it's canon, I love it. It's canon, yeah. I did not know this.
Wow.
I mean, it looks like futuristic tech to me. It does actually, and it matches like the general aesthetic of the station and everything yeah for sure
Yeah, I think there's a subreddit about that. It's a book light
Really yeah, they just find things that are just off the shelf to look futuristic
To another reference you guys don't know probably big Luke. No. I don't know big Luke big Luke Star Wars
the bigger Luke theory You guys don't know probably big Luke. No, I don't know big Luke big Luke Star Wars
the bigger Luke theory
That's a book like
Bigger Luke wiki.com Luke prime and bigger Luke
Sorry, what is this? I don't see anything about bigger Luke here
Bigger Luke commonly abbreviated to BL
What more is it? We're on Star Wars nerd levels. I don't know where possible
What is this what even is this site?
wiki.dott.com What is this? What even is this site? Wiki dot a lawyer Luke dot addicts was three. What is this?
Slash bigger okay, it's pretty straightforward. Okay, but what is it?
The cannon Luke hypothesis
Sometimes simply the bigger Luke hypothesis in which it is theorized that within the Star Wars universe and canon there does indeed
exist a version of Luke Skywalker that is
slightly larger than a
posited regular Luke Skywalker or Luke Prime.
Sorry, what?
And then they have examples of where their height changes.
Yeah, this is not even this is not even trying.
Luke, this is not even trying.
Luke. This is not even trying to be credible.
I mean, it's a pretty good theory.
Yeah, okay.
I like dark Jar Jar theory much more.
Yeah, Sith Lord Jar Jar.
That would have been sick
if that actually ended up becoming a thing.
No, that would have been really stupid.
Would have been kinda sick.
No, that's a little higher on the iceberg then bigger
That's like a center earth
Okay, all right, can we get this show done?
Keep telling me I don't know anything about Star Wars. Yeah, I am you yeah, I'm never saying
You don't know anything about Star Wars. Yeah, I am you yeah, I'm never saying
You're allowed to know the wrong things
Hello Sen, I love portable handheld consoles. What is your favorite computer form factor or the strangest one you've ever seen?
my favorite computer form factor? Laptop. Laptops are
pretty convenient. Laptop is your favorite computer form factor? I mean if they were more
reliable and more performant I guess they're really great. If they were, were they? They asked my favorite form
factor. They didn't ask. But you said they would be if they were something
that they're not. Yeah, because you could, well sure, but you could use them as a
desktop. They're versatile. You can take them with you on the go. that they're not yeah, cuz you could well sure But you could use them as a desktop. They're versatile you can take them with you
I'm not the things that you said well. Yeah sure, but like I don't know
Sure fine
Okay, it's on Halloween costumes for this coming here. Okay, Jamal Taylor suggests. We go as Luke and bigger
Jamal Taylor suggests we go as Luke and Bigger Luke. Oh, that's great.
And moving on.
Oh my goodness.
I'm looking to build a high-end PC, but I'm also not in a hurry.
Is it better to fight it out with resellers or wait six to eight months and hope scarcity and terrorists aren't a thing much later this year? Um
I don't know man
I don't have the answers. I mean we did that video a little while back where I basically said
Sorry, I don't know the answers
Um, I mean we know there's new
allegedly I mean we know there's new Allegedly rumored GPUs coming very soon
So that's really good to know because it will tend to have an impact on the secondhand market
And on the you know current product pricing
Beyond that we don't really know what's coming
Good luck everybody. Hey DLL trying to decide on an upgrade path for my
Good luck everybody. Hey DLL, trying to decide on an upgrade path
for my 10850K and RX 6900 XT.
God, these naming conventions.
Currently 1440p.
You ain't seen nothing yet, Dan.
I know, it gets worse.
Also interested in trying a,
I guess this is a Thunderbolt display, but I'm sure-
Don't try a Thunderbolt display,
that's like completely unnecessary.
Why would you do that?
How does a GPU interface with a Thunderbolt card? It doesn't, don't bother. Okay, hold
on. Okay, well, okay. So some Thunderbolt cards have a display port in, so they
will inject that display port into your Thunderbolt connection. So you're
effectively just using your GPU, but then you're just using display port. So
there's no reason to use Thunderbolt display. The only reason you would want to do that
is if you want to use optical Thunderbolt like I do to carry Thunderbolt over some great
distance, then you use a dock to go DisplayPort out to your monitor, and then just use your
Thunderbolt dock for Thunderbolt for you know connectivity or whatever else. There are so few Thunderbolt displays
that and and none of them offer the most compelling mix of price and features and performance that you just
shouldn't bother
at all. There's just no real reason to do it that I can think of.
Last one I've got for you today. I'm the tech dad that has been waiting for HexOS.
I am researching building a NAS for the first time and finding it daunting, but fun.
Any suggestions on where to start?
Wendell has some good videos. Sure, there, level one tax. Yeah.
I also built our Johnsbo NAS, we did a
video on that, that was phenomenal. Nice, is that a short circuit? No, that was a full
LTT. Oh. It was the first time I've ever like built a computer with a video and
it just happened to be ours. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, this one. So this is actually a
pretty good video on like building a NAS.
So you built this one? I built almost exactly that one.
I couldn't get a cheaper CPU, so it has an expensive CPU
and I couldn't get a cheaper CPU that had a built-in GPU.
So when I want to use it, I just stick a riser card
and a 1080 into the motherboard.
I need to upgrade that eventually.
But it's been phenomenal.
It runs all day every day.
When I need to diagnose this thing,
I actively make it more complicated and also
significantly change variables.
Yeah, but I haven't needed to because it just works.
Thanks, Todd Howard.
That's all I got?
Oh, there's one in incoming. Do you want to touch that?
Den Lennis and Lake, how can chit GPT write box slash pes the bar exam, but me auto correct
is merely functional. And then they translated it for us us how does chat GPT write books and pass the bar exam
But my autocorrect is barely functional. It's a good good question good question good question. See you later
It's all a question. Thanks for watching!