The WAN Show - I gave my 6 year old a phone? The WAN Show Jan 18 2019

Episode Date: January 21, 2019

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Travel better with Air Canada. You can enjoy free beer, wine and premium snacks in economy class. Now extended to flights within Canada and the US. Cheers to taking off this summer. More details at aircanada.com Um, I can hear myself through there, which is super, super weird. And I hope that's not echoing. Uh, there's a problem. There's one minor problem.

There's a minor problem. Those headphones. I don't know where to unplug them. They're like pretty loud. Do you hear that? Yeah, I hear it. Hopefully the audience can't. Are we live?

Is it? Are we live right now? Yeah. Hey, everybody. It's WEN show time. Actually, the video I was working on just now sounded super cool really cool so um have you seen that that like uh what is it like 10 year challenge hashtag or something oh yeah i took a photo for that that's hilarious but i haven't posted 2009 2019

um so we did one but like not not my old Facebook pictures or anything because I don't post on Facebook. But LTT. Okay. Because LTT. So 2009 versus. 2019. Yeah. So LTT actually just celebrated its 10-year anniversary.

Yeah. And then the funny thing about that, you're right, that is really loud. Yeah. Okay. Like we got to unplug them. I'm going to put it under these shirts and see if that helps uh um okay yeah how's that you did wow that's a lot okay so ltt actually celebrated its 10-year anniversary not that long ago so it's effectively a look at the entire history of the channel

yeah because the only things that were posted in 2008, honestly, were not what LTT would be over the next three years. Okay. So I don't know if you know this, but at the time, I was working with Keaton, who was our writer slash the video guy for Hardware Connects. Okay. Hardware Connects viewers probably won't remember this, but FixedT or Fixed was both the video personality and the shooter and editor for Hardware Connects videos for some time before Dimitri came onto the scene. Yeah. So he was shooting for you?

So the original idea with Linus Tech Tips was that it was going to be like a lower production value thing. But Keaton who I am quite certain is not watching this so I don't have to worry about um I don't have to worry about getting into trouble here but Keaton had sort of a I don't know if you'd call it a disorder or a compulsion or thank you I don't know what you'd call it, but he just couldn't let anything be sort of just good enough. So the original idea behind Linus Tech Tips was that it was supposed to be like the cheapo.

Run and gun as fast as you can get it out. As fast as you can pump them out thing. Like my quota was 45 videos a month on top of like, I had a real job on top of the four to six mcix tech tips i remember one of my favorite things was it was super important when i pressed record and when i pressed stop record because we were not going to edit it so like if i if i didn't if i if there was a huge delay between me pressing recording you starting to talk it was awkward and if i let it run for too long after you stopped talking it was awkward so that was like and we'd run into trouble sometimes where like luke would think i

was done and i would think i was done but then i'd be like oh except for one and like oh sorry i already pressed record and we'd be like okay i guess that's it i I guess the video's over. So Caden couldn't do that. So the first couple of Linus Tech Tips videos, actually from an effort standpoint anyway, were quite a bit higher production values. Oh, okay. The first one has a laugh track. So there's actual editing in it. I don't know if I've seen the first Linus Tech Tips video.

I know I've seen the first NCEX Tech Tips video. Oh, yeah. I don't know if I ever... The first Linus Tech Tips video, I talked our AMD rep into allowing us to do a pre-release video... I've seen that. ...of an undisclosed processor. And he was like, well, you can't leak any useful information about it. So the only thing i

was essentially able to say was i have it i remember this but there's actual electrical tape on the screen to ensure that no you know you know how um okay you know how if you have like an image and you like scribble over it you know you can kind of unscribble it the guy who swirled his face and the fbi unswirled it yeah like yeah zero effery okay electrical tape stuck to the screen you could not see what was under it yeah but it was just like oh there's a there's a processor and then the second one was like the idea was there of it being like cheapo unboxings that were just these very brief looks at a product where it was an unboxing of a Rampage 3 Extreme or Rampage, like, really hold port at this point.

Rampage 2 Extreme? I don't know. It doesn't matter. The point is it was a Rampage board and it had this goofy little, like, knob on it that was supposed to be like an OC knob to OC up or down. So like a shifter?

It had a shifter. So the beginning of the video starts with me holding the driver disc like this and like pretending to drive it. I liked that kitschiness. I know, I know it wasn't good, but like. Oh, it was bad. I found it entertaining. The best part of like people complaining about, you complaining about the sex jokes or the dad humor or the cringe or whatever else.

I remember when Linus Tech Tips didn't have any of this stuff. Like, oh, do you now? What were you watching? Clearly not Linus Tech Tips. It was terrible from day one. Literally, in the first 10 seconds of the first video ever uploaded to the channel there's a laugh track okay that's brutal i turn around in my chair basically like a oh didn't see you there moment and i bump the table and a laugh track goes off and i'm like oh in the first 10 seconds

okay so i 100 have seen this video but i just don't remember that i remember you hitting the table but i don't remember the laugh track. My brain just edited that out. It's so bad. It's like, no, you're not allowed to. No, that can't happen. You know what? There's no laugh track.

We don't really have any good topics today because Colton did the WAN show doc. Let's just watch videos. We're going to watch this video. I mean, that's what Twitch streamers do these days. Anyways. There's going to be a lot more insight in the, like, 2009 to 2019 video. You know what was a really cool thing about that video? I'm pretty sure I can talk about this now.

Like, I don't think there's an NDA or anything. But it's sponsored by B&H. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, honestly. Oh, boy. So, like, half the content in that video is going to be like.

No, no. Because that's the point that's the point they knew what they were sponsoring okay yeah we used to have a point shoot with scratched lens okay like it was and i was doing it that combination is bad so um no no they they know it's all good so like part of the the cool thing about going through this progression is that where we started out compared to like bnh wanting to work with us is like a 10-year change in terms of like the both the business side and the production values the fact that bnh will even pick up the phone to talk to us they wouldn't have no we were still trying to just like you know run around with a cell phone hey what's this fire truck oh i hate that that video is still the top viewed video on the channel what's it at now it's over 10 million oh i don't want to talk about it. All right. That's fine. So this is it.

I don't actually know if you guys are going to have audio capture from my computer. So good luck, everybody else. I also don't even know if this is going to work. Yeah. I didn't test it. Yeah, that's the intro. Yeah. How do you like that?

Heck yeah. Four by three aspect ratio there, baby. Also, it was only a minute 20. Yeah, how do you like that 4x3 aspect ratio there, baby? Also, it was only a minute 20. See, I remember that. I very clearly remember that, but I still don't remember the laugh track. I'm actually kind of happy I can't hear it. Is this what YouTube does to 4x3 videos now? Just make it weird and squished?

Letter and pillar boxed? That's pretty weird. Okay, so we showed it running at 3.6 gigahertz. Honestly, though, this one's not as cringy. I don't know if they have audio. Mic clipping, something, something. Where's the sound? Is there no sound?

Oh, apparently the sound is too low. Luke's ducky vid was great. It is, but it's not going to be in that 2009, 2019 thing because that was not technically a Linus Tech Tips video. That was when I was like still planning on doing my own thing. Nice. Happy I didn't do that. That would have been a disaster.

Well, I don't know. That video seemed pretty good. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I mean, for the time. It seemed pretty legit. Probably about par. I mean, considering how bad like my stuff was at that

time like everything was kind of bad back then yeah everything was terrible um sorry i'm just loading up the float plane stream so i can see comments from these guys the title on here is wrong because you weren't logged in oh yeah dang it yeah sorry everyone all right apparently you're too close to the mic yeah but, but I can't really like... Did someone come in here and make changes to this or something? Okay. Apparently, the audio is clicking. Why do people make changes?

I specifically said on my way out from lunch, yes, I know it's kind of too quiet. Don't make any changes. Well, that's not what happened. Ah. Are you just moving it away? Yeah, slightly. Okay.

I'm probably going to be too loud regardless, but... No, apparently I'm too loud. You're too loud. What? Yeah. No, I've got people saying audio is clipping. Like, just audio is clipping. So that's a big actual problem, and that's very frustrating

because this is why I say these things. There's too many dials. I don't know all the dials. We just have way too much. Like, the fact that we're running a singular mic and we have all this junk is ridiculous. My stream's audio always sounds significantly better, and i just have one mixer yeah like i don't i don't it shouldn't be this hard i don't know the frustrating thing is everyone in chat in flow plane though is saying that the

stream looks amazing so heck yeah there we go oh good At least we have that. Someone just said turn all the dials. If we just randomize everything, it might end up better. All right. Well, I'm just going to be relatively quiet, and I'm going to hope for the best. Okay. We do have technically a WAN show document this week, do we not? There are news items. There are notes.

I just got signed out. But Intel discontinues Core plus Optane processors. Wow, that was not going to eventually happen for sure. The mother of all breaches exposes 773 million emails and 21 million passwords. Oh, boy. Facebook is apparently secretly building LOL, a meme hub. Isn't Facebook already a meme hub? Like this is the thing that kind of blows my mind.

It's like Facebook's like, yeah, we need to purchase WhatsApp to get into the like, like private messaging game. But then Facebook Messenger is a thing. And like apparently people use like Instagram as their social network now. Yep. Can I help you? Oh, I just want to play with the dials.

Are you the one who adjusted this? No. Who touched it? I'm trying to not throw people under buses. Can you find who touched it maybe? That would probably be really good. I was just going to look for the thing that's red. Just keep talking.

Okay. Don't bother with me. Yeah, the problem is that then you're going to look for the thing that's red. Just keep talking. Don't bother with me. Yeah, the problem is that then you're going to end up adjusting the compressor, and it's really better not to touch the compressor. I know how compressors work. Okay, fine. Then do whatever you want.

I know how they work, too, but that doesn't change anything. Honestly, I don't even think that one works properly. I think all of that just needs to go in the garbage. And you just need one good... Well, the issue is that two weeks ago, Jake added a preamp with the goal of making the audio quality better. And then that was when people started complaining the show was too quiet. And then he went on vacation and then called in sick today.

So he's not here to fix his stupid preamp. And he's the one who put it in. And the way it's hooked up is complicated. And so someone else came in and tried to fix it. they didn't this is the best show i mean there's also just doing this is that better hold on stop alex i'm just gonna turn it down in obs no no stop stop stop don't move everything's clipping on here you can turn down as much as you want there it's clipping on here still yes but it seems to be getting better, so just keep talking. Okay, all right. Well, hopefully it's getting better.

You guys are witnessing real-time editing of things. Now we're a bit too quiet. Oh, wow. You know what? I just give up. I give up. No WAN show today. I'm done.

I'm done. People say it's fine now, so just don't touch it. You're still touching it. You're still touching it. We're just we're just gonna go with what we have. I don't even care. I don't even care. It's it's Trevor S says at least it's not ear rape. Leave it for now. Oh boy. Okay, all right. Okay. Okay. Don't spam please. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Don't spam, please. All right.

So why don't we jump into our Core Plus Optane processor. So you guys, the original article here is from KitGuru. And I don't know where Colton got all these news items, but it's obviously not the forum because he's not crediting people on the forum. And it doesn't look like he's looking at the tech-link linked items for this week so there's there's a spot actually on the wanshow doc for both items that make it into tech linked and ones that are sort of notable but don't make it into tech linked okay um so i just like i just

don't even know know what he was doing but anyway uh this is over on kit guru and do you remember core plus uh vaguely do you know what it is no i remember the branding i don't really remember so core plus was a brand that from my understanding was mostly intended to only really exist on mobile but then what's interesting here is that it appears as though there were actual desktop processors including an 8700, 8400 and a Core i5-8500 that also had it and the idea was that the processor was bundled with Optane memory. So it's core in that the processor is just a regular old core processor. Okay. I7, I5, or whatever.

Yeah. And then it was plus because it came with Optane. Now, to be clear, I'm not down on Optane. Very cool technology. I'm not I'm not down on optane Very cool technology. I've been a proponent of SSD caching since it first showed up In Intel's product stack with what RST. I believe there were solutions before that in fact Wow thinking back it really has been a very long time

OCZ had a drive that I think they called the Synapse? Synapse drive, does that sound right? OCZ Synapse? Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Okay, so they had a caching drive that came with like this weird third-party software, and it was designed with twice the spare area.

So it was like, it had half the accessible capacity that was actually on the drive and then the idea was that it could easily sustain high performance over time because this was back before I think this is before trim even existed so it could run garbage collection because it had so much spare area and it would last for longer because it had more spare area and you had to install this software and I don't even remember if it worked on a boot volume like it might have just been something that you can do on like a storage volume I don't even remember the details. It didn't it didn't sell well because it's like super expensive

Anyway, Intel moved it more mainstream with RST or rapid storage technology And I've been a proponent of it ever since because I think it's a great way To get better performance out of magnetic storage whether it's for your boot drive or whether it's just for your game drive. We actually did one recently where we ran Optane on AMD, which was kind of cool, but using third-party software that has come a long way in the last 10 years and actually worked really, really well, like better than AMD's first-party solution,

Storami. Sorry, one quick thing can i do that thing again because there's a lot of questions in here which thing the stream thing stream thing yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so i'm getting a redonk amount of quite probably more than i have any other week which is kind of surprising um but if there's people that have questions about full plane that are full plane members or not come to my stream after the stream and ask me then, because I have to partake in the WAN show. Yeah. And WAN show is important. Yeah.

We have to talk about Core Plus. Yeah. Core Plus. Yeah. So. You know what's one random little thing I want to add? Yes. I still have that Synapse drive.

Do you really? Yeah. The 30 gig one. Wow. Yeah. Why? I just, I don't know. You should use it as a cache.

I mean, it'd be slow as hell at this point. I think it's like SATA 2, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. It's really old. Yeah, because that's, isn't that like pre-Sandforce? It's at my parents' house because I remember you gave it to me when I used to live there. Oh.

And then I guess I stopped using it. So it's like still there. Was it one of those, like, I never want to see this again things or did you like do something to deserve it? I think it was, I don't want to deal with this. Okay, cool. Yeah, I think that was it. So anyway, long story short, I'm cool with caching.

I think it's great. However, the branding behind, like... That Core Plus branding is terrible. Honestly, the branding and the marketing around almost everything that touches optane has been really rough there were a lot of things that they could have done to just make it yeah just make it better and easier to understand like locking it down less and like i don't know anyway it's really funky opt's cool. This solution, selling it bundled with a processor is super dumb.

They should just sell it as a processor and an Optane module. Yeah. You can even sell it as like a bundle. Just say that, not Core Plus. Yeah. Because Core Plus sounds like a K-SKU style thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? Or it sounds like it has more course yeah sure yeah you know again everything's got like a 10-year theme i think it was like 11 12

years ago that intel released their core series processors i'm still mad it's so stupid why do i Why do I have to say core i7 quad core processor? Why do I have to say core twice? It's so dumb. I actually liked the i7, i5, i3 thing when it first came out. Really? When it first came out. Justify it. No, I'm listening. It helped categorize things for me when I was trying to explain things to other people.

And I know, I know, actually proper defining lines between the categories have always been really weird. But in general, most things kind of line up pretty well. Do they? Sometimes. I don't necessarily want to fall on this story but like if i was if someone was like what's the difference if someone who knew basically nothing was like what's the difference between i7s and i5s with sandy bridge what would you say i would say go watch this excellent video over on the channel Tech Quickie.

Okay, but Sandy Bridge, so pre-Tech Quickie. Okay, pre-Tech Quickie. Can't talk today. I would say a Core i7 is maybe going to have more memory channels. Okay. But also maybe... No, they don't know anything. They don't know what memory channels...

I'm talking total layman. I worked at Best Buy at this time. I'm selling laptops. Okay, I would say... And like a desktop. A Core i7 might have onboard video, but might not. It's a laptop.

A laptop? Well, there were desktop ones. Yes, there were. There were Sandy Bridge desktop ones. But I worked at Best Buy. Some of them were triple channel memory. Some of them were dual. Some of them were architecturally a generation ahead

of the other ones that were on the high end platform. We sold like a desktop a week. Laptops were selling like this. So what, your experience inside Best Buy is all that matters and just- No, I was saying it was useful to me at that time. Okay, but couldn't they just as easily- I didn't say it was good.

I didn't say it was good. Couldn't they have just as easily gone, okay, gold, silver, bronze. Yep. The gold one, the gold two. Yep. The gold trois for the Quebec market. They could have, I'm not saying it was good.

Not that I'm saying that's good either. What they've done with the Zeon gold, silver, bronze, it's terrible, it's terrible, it's an atrocity also really bad yeah um i just in general it was helpful to be like that one has this stuff extra there you go it has hyper threading that's what that's the answer you were you wanted from me isn't it yes it has hyper threading it's better for multitasking And you avoided it the whole time. But that's all I needed to say to most people. Okay, what's hyper-threading?

Wow. But it was still sort of helpful. But the core part actually frustrated me more. Yeah, it was stupid. Yeah, the iSeries has its own huge swath of problems. You know what's the really dumb thing too? Is like, I actually, because I'm not really an auto person,

I actually blamed Intel for this crap. It's BMW. BMW. Three, five, and seven series. Oh god it's all bmw's fault see i'm a computer person i thought it was the other way around no that makes sense as if bmw would copy intel's branding you know the crazy thing is intel used to have like respectable branding yeah like intel inside people used to like there was kids at my school who were not into computers who had intel inside shirts because like it was a thing and the old intel inside commercials were like very memorable

intel inside was huge yep and you you still remember the jingle and like there's there even other stuff that i i thought did really well. Centrino, I thought was a stroke of marketing excellence. Maybe not genius, but definitely excellence. Because what it did was it achieved a sales goal. So it incentivized laptop manufacturers to buy not just the CPU and chipset, but also the Wi-Fi module from Intel. It improved the state of wireless technology for consumers in general, because all of a sudden it made it easy

to buy decent Wi-Fi over craptastic Wi-Fi that just like basically wasn't gonna work. It had a battery life message behind it because it had to include their Banyas Core Core M processor. Okay, that's fine. And so it had this strong technology and sort of quality of life and also sales kind of message. So I had to respect it as sort of excellent marketing. Well-crafted. Yes, a well-crafted message.

Yeah. But it just, it feels like they're just struggling. And I have to wonder if maybe part of the problem is that they just don't really have anything new to sell. More cores. That doesn't, okay. But like AMD is like, we have so many cores bro

We actually don't know what to do with all these cores Until inside well AMD outside. It's got too many cores to fit inside They should just do that should be their branding I actually would love that You're gonna have cores You're gonna have cores in your back pocket You're gonna have cores in your back pocket. You're gonna have them in your back pocket. You have too many cores to handle. You're gonna need a pickup truck.

I can't carry all these cores. Yeah, the CPU's so efficient, you can go buy a pickup truck and kill the environment with it. Keep all your cores in the bed. Just drive around. Just drive around to work commuting in that pickup truck.

You got all your cores in it. I just want the most Texan person of all time to do this video like specifically make sure that they have no idea what a core is and just have them be like super into it cores everywhere you're gonna lend all your cores to your friends they're never gonna give them back you're not even gonna notice you got too many cores it might even be helpful oh man anyways amd outside i don't think them not having something new to sell justifies butchering all their branding yeah because they if they kept up and i know i was i was crushed when

squarespace changed their branding back in the day from build it beautiful um or whatever the other one was because there was two that i really liked oh man you and i played off this make it make it something i think and i would always jump in and say the word oh what it was i don't remember wow i don't remember yeah maybe it wasn't that good well okay they dropped it pretty quick because they used to switch branding super fast. You should. Yeah.

You should, Bill. That was amazing. So like they changed the branding way too fast. And I don't know. I've never actually thought that was that great of an idea, especially if you find one that gloms on really well. Yeah. And like maybe you should only glom on with our audience yeah maybe we were just like yeah maybe but yeah intel inside was very universal

i mean that was all over you have to update stuff and i have to confess i didn't like their newer logo until i like went back the other day i could see them updating the logo though but I would keep Intel inside Intel inside was huge do they still use it at all like I think they definitely still protect the trademark I'm sure but like yeah

trademarks Intel inside brand logo mark name online network this is relatively new branding ish yeah okay so they still put inside on stuff but it's not doesn't have the same kind of punch here's a sample usage chart i mean maybe they just don't emphasize it the way that they used to yeah amazing i always get such a kick out of this. I remember we worked with, well, I guess it'll never happen again because I'm talking about this now, but we worked with the IOC at one point. Oh.

And the guidelines they have for this kind of stuff are just like, they're actually crazy. Yeah. Look at this. Amazing things start with Intel inside is correct. Amazing things start with Intel inside your PC. Like look for Intel inside. Oh, it's got this. I was going to say,

I think that's the problem with that one too. I don't think it's the PC. I think it's that Intel is the trademark is on Intel. I don't know. Whatever. They're, they're, they're not, they're not. Oh shoot. Did we have an echo in the back while I was doing that?'s, the trademark is on Intel. I don't know. Whatever. They're not, they're not. Oh, shoot. Did we have an echo in the back while I was doing that?

Oh, my bad. I'm sorry, you guys. They probably did. Oh, crap. Oh, well. Boop. Welcome to Flow Playing Unix Night. Well, welcome to the LAN show, everyone.

Or we just complain about Intel branding every week. Like, do we even have a show today? Is this even a show? Is anyone going to watch this anyone gonna watch this yep yep 7500 people watching on youtube yeah it officially doesn't matter anymore um let's uh actually we should probably do our sponsor spots holy crap we started so late today oh yeah uh spectrum oh hey they've got new packaging. I want the Vector. Is this the... Oh, there's a clip-on. You don't have glasses, though, so you don't get the clip-on.

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Oh, we have a coupon to just buy them on Amazon? That's kind of crazy. And get 10% off your order at lmg.gg slash Lumen. Lmg.gg slash Lumen. How do do these look are they a little wide for my face uh i'm really bad at that i think barely but like maybe not i feel like if i had trendier hair i could actually rock these but my hair is so bad That was actually another thing that was kind of fun for the 10-year thing. Like looking at... Your hair through the ages?

And the great thing about it is that there was just like not really a clear improvement. Yeah, it's kind of the same. No, oh no. There's periods of like truly spectacularly awful. Like there's dips, but there's not really anything better. There's just dips. Like I have such unpopular opinions about certain things about you. I don't find your voice annoying.

I've never seen your hair as a notable problem. Oh, it's a problem. Apparently. Yeah. Oh, it's like. I'm just bad at this stuff. It's objectively a big problem. I don't see it as an issue.

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Yes. Kind of wild. That is the beauty of humblebundle. But they have this like a normal store now too which is pretty cool yeah uh technically there's a private internet access spot in here heck yeah get private internet access we don't have a lot of time do it up today's show is going to be we've got a better link than that um what is it lmg.gg slash uh pia when lmg.gg slash pia when we gotta get those things updated yeah oh you know what else I really, really have to update you guys on?

LTX Expo. LTX Expo. So we've got a couple of updates. We actually forgot last week to look at the blog. Oh. So there's a couple updates posted by Stephanie Potter. Ways to get to LTX 2019 Extreme Hack. Lots of options.

If you're flying into Vancouver, the closest airport is Vancouver International Airport, YVR. It's in Richmond. Don't worry, it doesn't matter. If you plan on staying in Richmond or downtown Vancouver, there's a great, there are great public transit options. It's called the SkyTrain. So there's three lines that branch out from actually very close to where LTX is. If you are anywhere not on the SkyTrain, our public transit sucks and we don't have Uber. So I would strongly recommend finding a hotel that is near a SkyTrain, our public transit sucks and we don't have Uber, so I would strongly recommend finding a hotel that is near a SkyTrain station. So the Waterfront station is about five minutes from the Vancouver Convention Centre walking and pretty much everything can get to Waterfront. If you live locally or plan on

renting a car, there's ample parking located under the East Building of the Vancouver Convention Centre. Road tripping to the Great White North, if you're taking I-5 up from Seattle you'll cross into Canada the Peace Arch border crossing which is open 24 hours. These are actually really great tips you guys are gonna want to go check these out over at LTXExpo.com and we've got some information about hotel accommodation and options. Yeah we don't have Lyft or Uber. I cannot make that clear enough. We do not have rideshare here because the taxi cab mafia is still somehow winning.

It's unbelievable. And taxi cabs are kind of garbage here too. Yeah. If you stay in downtown Vancouver, it's roughly a 20 to 30 minute walk max. And then there's always taxis or public transit as options. It's a decent city to walk through though. And then there's always taxis or public transit as options. It's a decent city to walk through, though.

So there's some four and a half five star for $600 to $800 a night. That's pretty expensive. The rest of downtown is a bit of a mixed bag, ranging from $80 a night for hostels to hotels in the $300 range. And if you're looking at Airbnbs, there's options from single rooms to full apartments in the $125 to $350 range. If you don't mind traveling more or you want to rent a car because you're going to run around and see the city, like I know Steve from Gamers Nexus ended up going up to Whistler

and doing some biking and stuff since he was in town anyway. You can stay outside of the downtown core, and it's quite a bit less expensive. So, like, hostels as low as, like, 50 bucks a night. So, yeah, that's pretty cool. What, Colton? It's going to uh what colton it's gonna be sick it's gonna be sick what are those glasses these are from spectrum they're they're driving glasses oh they're actually you can see so much better on them i like them they're actually like tinted

kind of like differently than their regular just like blue light filter this isn't during the sponsor spot anymore so i'm gonna i'm gonna into it. The style of them reminds me very strongly of destiny skins. Really? Yeah. They're like gold with the carbon fiber and then other matte black. This is a really sporty, very destiny skin style. This almost looks like,

like an impact resistant, like sports goggle to me. Yeah. This one doesn't, this one's more like, like stylish. Like I could actually, like I could actually see myself myself just wearing this when I'm

doing something active. You could see me wearing them? You mean literally? Yeah. Thanks, Luke. No worries. I got you. That's really helpful. Yeah, no problem. This is why I like you so much. Oh, man. Do we have news are we gonna talk about any news in other news the oh really was there news in the first place lenovo might be releasing their folding phone yeah the razor name oh that's great seriously

they gotta have all the colors again, like chocolate. So it might be making a comeback as a $1,500 foldable phone according to The Verge. Well, remember, the Razer wasn't cheap. That's true. But like, wow. There was nothing amazing about it other than that it was really thin.

What's with phone prices, though? Like, calm down. You know, I don't think it's gonna get any better. So here's the thing i think it was for the first time last year global phone unit sales dipped well like they still have executives to pay you know yeah no i mean price has got to go up technically they. So we don't know anything about this thing. No screen size, no specs, no, yeah, really anything. We just know that- It's not the phone in the picture. Yeah, no, that's the original Motorola Razr.

Yeah. So I was hands-on with a foldable phone down at CES. Did you happen to see that video? No, but I've seen many photos of that phone it was terrible yeah i kind of assumed yeah i was like it was one of those things where it was kind of like the um yeah go ahead no quite okay so question is it terrible as in this will always suck or is it terrible as in like wow this is a really really rough year zero but i see the future it was terrible in that it was it's a really rough year zero but I see the future but they are going to suck for a while yeah

okay cuz here's that's kind of what I was thinking you think think back to how long it took laptop manufacturers to figure out palm rejection on the touchpad and like not having a vcr inside which is a relatively simple problem yeah compared to be horrible compared to like a dual-sided foldable device where you are at times going to be touching the other folded side of the display in the course of your regular operation of it like this is not simple and it's going to look stupid if it's not if it doesn't you know have stuff on the back like it's not going to look cool in space age it's not going to work for marketing purposes unless they try to keep the whole display on the whole time. So there's the whole touch rejection thing to get over.

There's the fact that if that display is anything to go by, the quality of the OLED panels themselves might be trash. Now, it was bad. Like I honestly, that booth was one of those ones where i wanted to be as nice to them as i could because i was right up in their grills while i'm talking about this product yeah but i also tried to get my point across that like even though this product is for sale like don't buy it it's got some issues some issues Yeah, as they say the other one that was like that was the the VR shoes that I saw while I was down there Do you see that video? Yes

Ed liked them. I know but Ed's like the more Ed likes them until I told him how much they cost how much they cost Yes Okay, so just okay who haven't seen the video, they're VR shoes where you go like this on the floor or backwards and you spin in your chair and you walk in this direction and then you spin in your chair and you walk in this direction

but you stay seated the whole time. So my brain immediately goes. They have roller balls on the bottom. It's effectively ball mouse technology in 2019 on your feet. It's not quite ball mouse technology because it's only 2D. So it's more like scroll wheel technology. Carry on. So it's even not as advanced as ball mouse technology in 2019.

So it should cost like 50 bucks a foot. But I'm going to guess it's like 300, 350 bucks for the set. And at that price, would you consider it to be something worth buying even if you liked it? No. It's $400. Whoa. Okay.

The main reason why I would say no, I wouldn't find it, because it's going to be good in such a select amount of games because so many games are not going to expect you to have that type of movement doom like they had there i'm very not surprised they picked doom yeah because it's probably pretty good in doom but like i can't imagine if you need to travel for very long distances like if you're in like uh oh yeah what a pain i have to run across this whole freaking map just trying to like run in my chair the whole damn time like that's i can't imagine that would be good like it's one of those it's one of those things where it's like did

joystick waggling with the wii ever displace traditional controllers no because no one actually wants to do that and if you're gonna if we're gonna play an exercise game then i'm gonna play an exercise game not a like shuffling my feet back and forth yeah game like that's not an exercise ways to do that i finally tried beat saber oh sorry go ahead i i i also partially understand the cost because they're gonna sell like four of them more than that obviously i'm exaggerating by a lot but like they had like eight people on staff in their booth oh boy yeah if it was just like two dudes or something i'd be like yeah you guys can make a go of this hey you you took a trackball and almost and you put it on people's feet how did there was software work yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah in other news yeah in other news the pimax isn't bad anymore oh really yes that's actually surprising it's very surprising because did you you never tried it no but i listened to you i was really frustrated because there were other like i'm not going to name any names, partly because I don't remember what they are. But I was getting thrown under the bus because there were other, like, much more credible VR enthusiast YouTubers who are focused on VR that were saying that it was amazing. Sure. And I was sort of the dissenting voice being like, no, actually, this is garbage.

Like, they cannot ship this. Something, sorry, I'm going to cut you off again. Something I've been thinking about over the last little bit is like a lot of the VR community. Who do you think you are, Linus? Cutting people off mid-story so you can interject your own point? A lot of the VR community, a lot of the hardcore VR community kind of hates us because we're dissenters to a certain degree. Right. I think the problem is we can't be their champion.

Right. Well, I guess I sort of could now, but that's also not my space anymore. But like Linus Tech Tips can't be their champion because Linus Tech Tips is technology review. Yes. And it's like early on and really rough and like people that are buying them are not using them and like etc etc etc so like gotta keep credibility and be a proper reviewer it's we can't champion vr i think we both would like to i want it to be better than it is i want it to do better than it has yeah and we both wish it the best. Yes. And are both highly interested in it. But the thing too is even in the time since VR became a consumer product,

like with the Vive, I don't mean, like there's been VR consumer products before, but come on. Virtual Boy. Yeah. Even in that time, Linus Tech Tips has also gotten a lot more mainstream in terms of the technology that it covers, but also the perspective that I am trying to provide because like I've been I've had my eyes...

You have to be impartial it's not it can't just be your view. I've had my eyes kind of opened to that there's so much more to the world than technology enthusiasts even within people who who love and live and breathe technology. You know the top interest of my Twitter followers is dogs, not tech? There you go. Tech is a very close second. But dogs is first. But dogs is first.

I mean, and here's the thing. Like even I was watching the MKBHD live stream today and he said he got rid of the NAS that I hooked up for him in favor of this jellyfish one because it was like simpler. And I was like, okay, like this is just something that, you know, was hard for me to imagine 10 years ago. The theme of today's stream was hard for me to imagine 10 years ago. Yeah, yeah. It was hard for me to imagine 10 years ago, but like that even among people who are technology lovers, there's sort of this friction when it comes to like working on technology. It's like- Diagnosing why the sensors don't work, figuring out, et cetera.

Yeah, just like there's people who would consider themselves into cars but who don't change their own oil yeah they just like driving them um so so anyway like we've we've tried to take on and it's not it's not always easy for me like sometimes i'll end up nerding out over like a header on a motherboard and like i i can i can feel the the hundreds of thousands or millions of eyeballs or maybe not eyeballs but certainly eyebrows just kind of going right what um but it's something that i've actively tried to do and from a more mainstream perspective vr is not very interesting like i got i i had um yvonne try beat saber last night because i've been i've been having a blast and it was really cool um i had her try it last night and she played for seven minutes

and was like yeah i'm feeling a little sick i'm tired of having something on my face and went back to like browsing facebook on her phone and that's not because she like wasn't good at it or something it's because vr just just has a really long way to go and has some real actual obstacles that I'm sorry will make it not mainstream. Period. Like the fact that you need all this space. Lots of people don't have space.

Yeah. Even if they did have the money. And so people will get mad. People will not like it. We got to stand by the stuff, my man. We can't be the champions for that. I don't agree with a lot of the VR community's defenses of VR. I love it.

Actually, I've been using my Vive more than for the last... I've been using it actually quite a lot lately. I've been using it at least every other night for the past week. If I wouldn't punch my ceiling in Beat Saber, I would probably be using it all the time as well. It's very cool, but we can't put our own opinions too heavily into the...

Well, okay, again, I don't do this anymore. But line of sight tips can't put their own opinions too heavily into this kind of stuff. I mean, I can include it. I just can't like... That can't be the conclusion of the review. I can't put their own opinions too heavily into this kind of stuff. I mean, I can include it. I just can't like... That can't be the conclusion of the review. I can't just be a champion for it. Yeah.

Just in spite of whatever's in front of my face. Yeah. Speaking of champion... Beat Saber, not Saber. Facebook. Full champion. Wait, what is this? Is that the one?

This is not the right thing oh interesting apparently facebook is investing into news partnerships over the next three years i guess they don't want to elect trump again huh that's really interesting oh oh speak oh there was like uh there was like some like meme-y thing that i had wanted to lol it's a tech crunch article down yeah no no i was looking for a different thing now. I'm over that one. Okay. Oh, you know what I really want to talk about?

Sure. Forget it. I don't feel like talking about that. Okay. So, I hooked my son up with a cell phone. The title of the stream. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I'd like to know, before I sort sort of explain why what's your gut reaction he's six he's six he's six um i'm not i'm not a father i don't intend on being a father that's fine it doesn't matter but you can still judge everyone judges internet scares the heck out of me to be completely honest So part of the big part of the problem too is I feel like when I was growing up the internet was a little bit more Divided there was like porn sites and then there was the rest of the internet

It was a little harder to find the porn sites. It was a little harder to find them and like mainstream websites didn't effectively have it all over the place or at least at the very least extremely sexualized content where it's like maybe there isn't nudity but we all know why you're here that's everywhere now yeah and the rest there's tons of other stuff on the internet that scares the hell out of me too in terms of a very impressionable small child that scares me yeah if it was just a call and texting plan situation uh sounds like maybe a good idea but the internet scares me that is a very interesting perspective here's an alternate look. So my wife and I, or Yvonne, I guess most of you know her name.

So we actually talked about it a fair bit. So one of the reasons that... Okay, sorry, I want to throw another chip in here. Yeah, sure, sure, yeah. But there's other obviously positive parts of the internet as well. He could share location if for some reason he's ever lost. Automatically. Automatically.

Believe it or not, I can just check his location right now Oh see like that's cool. Yep, and like it's like that kind of stuff is oh, yeah, let's not no I'm not gonna show it. Yeah, I was just making sure sometimes Updated 11 minutes ago. That's exactly where he's supposed to be right now Yeah, and like that's awesome huge amount of peace of mind like it's just so there's there's the great part and there's the that's scary kind of part but overall i don't think it's a negative thing that you give him a phone so i would not uh judge it that way i was convinced that my kids probably weren't going to

get a phone until around the time that i did which was when I turned 16, if I recall correctly. Okay. Which admittedly was probably pretty old fashioned. Like when the newsletter came home, when he started school, like real school, not preschool, when he started school and the newsletter came home with like a cell phones policy, I was like, what is elementary school? What do any of these kids have cell phones for? So the thing that made me come around to just approaching the idea and that sort of opened up the discussion with the wife was that I'm going to start taking him with me when I travel sometimes. Okay. Just so that we get to spend a little bit more time together when daddy's traveling. That's cool because you travel a lot.

That's cool. Yeah. So I want to start taking him with me and if for whatever reason we got split up in an airport or whatever i just i want him to have a phone like period because there's like it's really funny like if my phone battery is dead or whatever else um i this must have been a couple months ago, I was running around the superstore trying to find Yvonne and the kids because they were shopping. And I was doing a thing that I used to do

where I would walk down the entire thing, looking down every aisle to figure out where they are. And you can still miss people because they could be like in between aisles or as you pass through or whatever else. And I was like, it has been so long since I've done this because if I ever don't know where Yvonne is,

and then I find out. And so I was like, okay, just for the sake of location, I'd like to know where he is. Also, a really cool and interesting side effect has been that I have ended up talking to him more. Something about text communication, especially while I've been traveling. So he actually texts me all the time. Okay. That's cool. And without his own means of communicating with me, how was he supposed to do that? Yeah. And it's not like i don't still talk to him in person when we're in the same room

but you know if he's uh on his way to skating lessons or something he'll just text me and be like on my way to skating lessons gonna have fun hope your day is okay that's pretty freaking cute oh geez all right and it's pretty it's pretty neat because you can text back, be safe, and all that stuff. Let me know how it went. Send me a picture of they were working on this homegrown crystal kit thing while I was at CES. Like, hey, send me a picture of the crystals. And it's really fun. It's interactive.

It's all the reasons that we like text communication, why it's completely taken over the world. Super wholesome. Another thing is we have put all of his relatives in his phone book so he's just like staying in touch with his family in a way that i just didn't do when i didn't have my own way of communicating because all that you had was the landline which when i was a kid you shared with your internet connection too. We'd be playing games dude. Which was which was lame. Yeah. No games were cool but having them shared. Yeah yeah no I agree. Now in response to the internet I will say this because of who he is specifically

I'm not that worried about it. If I say don't go to any website other than the websites that I say, A, I can whitelist sites. Like I can actually go that draconian if I need to. But if I say, don't go to any websites other than these ones, he actually wouldn't. Now that might change as he gets older. He might get a little more defiant. A little devious.

But I mean, there's other stuff too. There's actually no way. I tried to override it. I cannot. There's no way to install a full YouTube app on a Google kids account so he cannot watch my videos this is what I was

going to say though it's like even really mainstream sites like YouTube there's stuff on it that's like you know can't get to youtube okay yeah like i'm assuming twitch is bundled in with that uh well he can't install an app without it pinging me to approve it but it couldn't he just go to the website like youtube's uh no i doubt it okay i can i can i can i don't know anything about the kids i can double check that but I don't know anything about the kids thing. I can double check that. But I'm not that worried about that.

I think it's very unlikely. The other thing too is I get a report of what apps he's in, what his web browsing history is, how long he's been in the apps. Screen time. Screen time. I can do it day by day. So he's spending some time in WhatsApp, and apparently someone let him watch Netflix today for half an hour.

I can just lock it. I can just lock him out of it. I can set the hours of day that he's allowed to access it. And I don't know. It's one of those things where it's actually been really cool to see him learning how to communicate digitally, because there's stuff that there's like texting etiquette things that I kind of take for granted. Because there's stuff that there's like texting etiquette things that I kind of take for granted. Like it's adorable. He feels like he has to reply to every message. You remember that? Yeah. Even if it's just like, okay, cool.

I was, I was, someone brought up RuneScape the other day and I brought up that I used to have such a hard time playing that game because it was the first MMO style game I played. And every single time I'd walk past anyone, all communication then was speech bubble above your head. Yes. So every single speech bubble I saw, I thought they were talking to me. So I would like walk up to two random people having a conversation and just start replying out of nowhere.

I was like, that was that person. If only we remembered how insufferable we were when we were kids. We understand why gamers hate kids so much yeah pretty much for me i'm like yeah i think i got a big deal but then like i remember what a little like okay so uh diablo one um not realizing that there was no godly plate of the whale that was purely a trainered item i tried to convince someone that mine was legit at some point and they're just like

look the server says no trainers no hackers get out of here I'm like no no no this is real it's mine it's mine there was that was not a real item like so dumb anyway

so I did it I'm really happy that it's been a positive experience because to me that would be a pretty scary thing yeah so that's cool i intend to keep an eye on it i don't think he's even opened a web browser yet it hasn't even occurred to him uh he mostly just uses it to oh no i know when he watched netflix he watched it this morning before school because I didn't feel like getting up yet. That was my bad. He mostly uses it to WhatsApp his relatives, which I think is pretty cool so far. That seems pretty wholesome.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's pretty much it for WAN Show. We'll see you guys again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. That was a wild show. And yeah, like- We didn't even play the

intro oh wow we didn't you know what let's do it now outro oh wait wait oh we should really do some super chats hey not a bad idea uh also yeah there's still tons of questions coming through holy crap uh go to my twitch after this i don't know how to pronounce this name or what 300 rubles is. And the message is, hey there, Linus and Luke, I bet you can't read my name without asking Ivan to help. Go to my Twitch after this. Why did that happen? What?

Even just, even, what? Okay. Yeah. Cheapo, hi. Hey. Aaron, hi. Yeah. Cheapo. Hi. Hey. Aaron. Hi. Yazan. Hi. Coffeeville. Cheese Monkey. Got it. Max.

LTX VIP tickets. I want to book hotel and flight in advance, but when will the VIP meetup take place? Last year it was the day before. We'll be at the same this year. Not sure. Stay tuned. Oh, crap. That'll be at the same this year. Not sure. Stay tuned. Oh, crap. That might be a bit of a problem. Because VIP tickets, there's not going to be a ton of them.

We don't want there to be a ton of them. Oh, man. You're probably going to have to phase those out eventually. Yeah, I don't know what to do because I hate how expensive they are. But if we don't make them expensive, they sell out in like 30 seconds yeah uh yeah max i'm sorry i don't have uh a solid i don't have a solid answer for you yet um red slash ace how much is a booth at ltx interested in showing off a smell device for gaming. I have no idea.

You'd have to reach out to Colton. LinusTechTips at gmail.com. That sounds like a fun interactive booth though. That actually does sound pretty fun. David, hey there's something I really wanna say to you, how you literally saved my life, but I don't have enough money to fit in a super chat, so I'm putting it as a two part message in in floatplane chat my floatplane username is David okay do you want to find that

thanks dude I don't know when he sent it though Jake says why is every aspect of a computer in metric but storage is Imperial two and a half inch drives you know what I wish I could answer that question. Screen sizes, also for the most part in Imperial. I know some places do do them in centimeters, but Imperial is a little bit more common. Aaron, I've been watching since you unboxed those Eneloop batteries. Yeah, well. Oh, boy. Yeah.

That video was fantastic. Adam says, I can't access Floatplane, so joke's on me, Luke. Wait, what? You should email. Oh, Floatplane has a new support email. Yeah. It's support at floatplane.com. Yeah.

Way more simple. Yeah. It's like not stupid now. Yeah. EposVox sends a heart. Yeah. Hey. Yeah.

I still need to call you. Sorry. I think you've been kind of crazy. It says, I'm not reading that. That's very inappropriate. We don't talk about pee on this show. Yeah. Lewis says, please, cheers for an IT person burning the midnight oil, migrating an Oracle database.

Heck yeah. Cheers to you, brother. Good luck. How much to get you two to floss, asks Lactose Larry. I can't floss. I actually tried. You don't know how to do it? Wait, is this dead?

It's not hard. No, it seems to be working. Mine's not. I don't know what's going on with your laptop. It's not hard. Well, I just don't really get it. I think it's supposed to be like... Well, you don't really do it while you're sitting.

Yeah, I know, but I just... Okay, you know what? Will you do it? You sent $100. US dollars? Yeah. But he asked how much. So all you're gonna-

That was technically just for the question. All you're gonna answer for $100 is how much. It was technically just for the question. You wouldn't dance monkey dance for $100. And it's not your $100, mind you, so I can understand this. Yeah. Tell you what, I'll try I'm I will go along with you

I don't know if I remember anymore. Okay, so so where do they start? They start here your hips have to go your hips have to go opposite though Okay, and then and then this arm goes behind you And then back out and then out and then this way and this way and this way this way I'm sorry. I did that. Okay. Cool. I think that's how you do it. Honestly, I've never seen a tutorial video, and I've never actually watched the dance. I just assume that's how it goes.

Lactose Larry actually continued to send money. Was I wrong? Lactose Larry spent $400 getting us to floss. We would have done it for the first hundred. Hey, it worked. It worked, it worked. All right, well, thank you guys for tuning in. We'll see you again next week.

I think we're really done now. I don't even know if we did it right or not. It's over. Okay. Recorded. Daniel says this is the single most epic land show I have ever watched. It was such a train wreck. Oh man, there's no audio in the intro? I don't even know. Terrible Friday.