The WAN Show - I Give Up - WAN Show April 14, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 And welcome to the WEN show. Still Friday, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'm a little on the late side. Yeah, not for long, but... I blame Luke. We've got a lot of great topics for you today. First and foremost being what is up with the title and headline? It's because I lose. Today's show is going to be pretty AI heavy.

Starting point is 00:00:17 So Luke is going to get to talk about AI agents gaining steam. That is pretty vague and also elon musk pivoting twitter to an ai everything app whatever that means what else are we talking about today microsoft so i'm gonna announce the non-ai topics and you're gonna announce the i think that would be fun microsoft could be working on a windows handheld mode for steam deck alikes. I'm excited. Things that are similar to that. That is actually pretty interesting. We'll talk more about that later, though.

Starting point is 00:00:54 Also, ooh, do we talk about this one? Is this going to be the Elon show? No. Pick anything else. The 4070 release. I don't know. All right. Which one did you pick? all right why don't we jump right into our headline topic here today which is ai agents gaining steam yeah um why don't i read it and then you can spend the next 25 minutes talking about what i read sure there's been a surge in development of AI agents.

Starting point is 00:01:45 Interjection. These are applications that allow large language models to operate semi-autonomously by feeding prompts to themselves until they have achieved a broad general goal given to them by the user. Sort of correct. Currently trending on GitHub is AutoGPT, which uses GPT-4 to generate, prioritize, and execute tasks using plugins for internet browsing and other access.

Starting point is 00:02:11 It uses outside memory to keep track of what it's doing and provide context, which lets it evaluate its current situation, generate new tasks, or self-correct and add new tasks to the queue, which it then prioritizes. AutoGPT currently has a notable tendency to become distracted or confused when given complex goals, often getting caught in recursive loops and leaving tasks half-finished. Users have been creating tools that allow AutoGPT to perform more tasks, including one that allows it to access and use bitcoin wallets before i go any further do you want to talk a little bit about ai agents you said that my definition was not quite correct so i invite you to give a better one yeah it mentioned something about them uh being able to just give themselves more than one prompt yes a big part of the idea is that they can use other

Starting point is 00:03:02 systems so like they can use an image generator they can use uh some other model whatever services that aren't even ai based etc they can call out to other services they don't just have to use their own stuff also i like that we're calling them ai agents um auto gpt has been used as like a what i'm calling like a kleene. Right. Like a lot of people have been calling all of them auto GPT, even though there is one specific one called auto GPT, whatever. The auto GPT name is actually really good, which is why I think that's happening. Other people are calling them like baby AGI.

Starting point is 00:03:38 I don't like that. Sorry, like not a fan of that. Artificial general intelligence. Yeah. But they're calling it like a baby version because it can like task out other things and and improve on itself and do stuff like that this is like the whole thing where we rebranded machine learning as ai when that's not really what it is right that's just branding we we rebranded driving assists as autopilot yeah like i promise we're not going to talk about him the whole show.

Starting point is 00:04:08 I do really like... Yeah, AutoGPT is a fantastic name. There's a bunch of these systems. There's actually a load, like a huge amount of them because it's the trend right now. And in this whole space, if something catches on even slightly, you can absolutely bet there will be a ton of it almost immediately now you've given some examples of things that people are doing with these agents on past shows

Starting point is 00:04:31 but is there a new stuff that's come to light this week or just a refresher for those of us who right now it sounds very vague and nebulous well it can call to stuff and it can do things what are some of the things people are doing with this? So basically with current, with what most people currently have access to, if all they do is like go to OpenAI's website, is GPT-4 or 3.5 or below. And with that, you can usually get the steps that you would need to do to accomplish something. Sure. How do I build a computer? Right.

Starting point is 00:05:02 So instead of how do I build a computer and it listing steps, you could say, how do I build a computer? And it could actually just like order for me. Potentially, if you hooked it up to the right things, because like someone has actually used it to buy their groceries for the week. They're like, I need I need recipes for a week. These are the types of things that I like. This is the grocery store, whatever. They hooked it up to some grocery delivery service that I don't remember the name of. And it actually purchased the groceries and made it so that like, oh, you bought a can of this.

Starting point is 00:05:36 You only need X amount of it for one meal. But I picked a different meal. So you're not eating the same thing all the time that will use the rest of it in order to be efficient. Like it did all this stuff. That was really really good It planned their meals for the week it ordered everything for them It gave them recipes for all of the meals and it efficiently used the ingredients. Do you remember when? microtransactions took off in mobile games and Every other flippin win show we were talking about some kid going to town on mom or dad's credit card,

Starting point is 00:06:08 buying a bunch of jewels or Twitch bits or whatever else it is, racking up thousands of dollars. How long is it going to be before someone sues OpenAI for chat GPT, spending a whole bunch of their money when they were the ones who were irresponsible enough to give it their credit card. Oh, it's going to be a problem. You mentioned in here connecting it to Bitcoin wallets, right? Yeah. Well, people are using that to use GPT style models to bet on markets for them.

Starting point is 00:06:40 That is 100 percent already happening there is even uh these websites where you can get uh like auto trading bots for like uh coin exchanges and they already have like you can build your own bot using gpt models and give it its own weights and everything using that instead of needing to code it yourself etc etc yeah it's it's getting it's getting pretty nuts i i was reading one thread on a person who spent i think it was like i think they said roughly eight hours like tuning things in and whatnot working with i believe it was auto gpt specifically but i don't fully remember and they they made a tool i don't remember what the tool did but they got like a thousand users for their tool and were able to sell their

Starting point is 00:07:26 like startup company all within like a week, which is just, that's crazy. Yeah. People are also talking about, uh, I forget who I was talking to, but they were saying they know of someone who basically gave it a little bit

Starting point is 00:07:39 of money and said, go build an online business. It built it, got like what? a thousand users or something like that in some obscenely short period of time and then sold it yep there's also someone has actually even just asked it get me money without giving it any money and what it did is it like asked them for some of their like personal and stuff, and it scraped government websites. And it scraped websites that do...

Starting point is 00:08:10 Man, what is it called when there's a lawsuit or something? You bought a product and you get... Recalls. No. Or class action. Yeah. So it scraped class action lawsuit things, and it grabbed everything it could for them like different grants from government because of whatever details about the person and whatever class action

Starting point is 00:08:30 lawsuits they were eligible to get money from etc etc etc and it made them like a few hundred bucks like it wasn't even that small of an amount of money unbelievable yeah uh there's a really cool experiment do you want to keep reading or do you want me to do it? Sure. You know what? You just, my brain is tired. Stanford and Google researchers have been performing a series of, this is wild to me. We were actually talking last week about AI integration into games and how it might be able to go.

Starting point is 00:09:00 So this is particularly very interesting. Yeah. He messages me this white paper like earlier this week, like... That's basically what his message contents were. That's honestly more accurate than I would like to admit. Stanford and Google researchers have been performing a series of experiments with similar AI-powered agents

Starting point is 00:09:23 by having LLMs control 25 characters within a virtual town. The characters can communicate, interact with their environment, remember events, reflect on those events, and form plans. Each is preloaded with a starting persona and an existing relationship with the other characters in the game. Over the course of several in-world days, the characters engaged in a series of complex interactions based on those starting conditions. Researchers told one, this is the really cool part of my opinion, researchers told one generative agent to host a Valentine's Day party without any further human intervention. The character invited nine other characters characters who then passed on the information

Starting point is 00:10:05 to four other characters. Beyond that, the characters remembered the invitation, reorganized their daily schedule in response to it with one asking another officially on a romantic date

Starting point is 00:10:17 to the event. Prove to me now that we are not living in a simulation. Oh, boy. We're doing the Silicon Valley tech bro conversation. You can't prove it's not a simulation. Yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:10:34 I think what this immediately made me think of is like, because you were talking about how you want tailored conversations for your games. Yeah. You don't really want an LLM to just go in and write all the text for the game. Yeah, because I want, it's kind of like, okay, it's kind of like playing Breath of the Wild compared to playing a game that has an auto-generated environment. Like, okay, you and I, these are examples that are pulled from vastly different eras of gaming. So I understand that they are not directly comparable.

Starting point is 00:11:08 But we did a run of Diablo 1 a while back, just like, you know, nighttime gaming. Those generated dungeons end up all kind of being samey. Like there's some difference in that you don't know what's around the next corner, sort of. But there's also no flow to them whereas exploring in breath of the wild it's it's art yes it's artful you you will stumble upon things because there was an intentful purposeful, whatever. There's a narrative direction going on. There's a direction of things that you're supposed to experience

Starting point is 00:11:52 when you go through different areas. And AI has an issue with hallucinations, as maybe I mentioned that in the pre-show, or getting distracted, as you just mentioned. Yeah. How they can get distracted or confused when tasks are really large. Tasking it with doing something that big, holding that narrative the whole way through.

Starting point is 00:12:10 Current versions, right? Now, maybe I'm wrong in two months. I don't know. But current versions are going to struggle with that very seriously. But Skyrim style, like, you need to try to make sure that all the people have jobs that they go to every day and they do stuff and they react to the world. Those baseline like NPCs that aren't technically important. Making environments feel populated.

Starting point is 00:12:34 Yes. Yeah. Is going to be super good at that. Totally a different game. Yeah. It's just when it gets to dialogue, that's where I am really not sure about it because I don't want them to say something different if there isn't new content for me to engage with.

Starting point is 00:12:49 With that said, it is a matter of time before there's a game where you are just dumped into essentially an MMO that is entirely populated with AI agents that level up and quest and have jobs and build new towns for you to explore to the point where when you go back and you re-engage, it is new stuff and things have happened and you do need to catch up on events and it's happening constantly all the time everywhere. I mean, man man when we first started talking about stadia and cloud gaming i didn't realize it yet but this this is the kind of gaming experience that that should have enabled imagine an escape from tarkov like experience where you are warping into but instead of an instance a persistent world and then you know every six months or whatever it is you do a wipe and it's a it's a brand new world I feel like I feel like hardcore gameplay actually benefits from this like more like imagine a permadeath RPG

Starting point is 00:14:09 But your effects a hundred percent remain And I know there's like there's like roguelikes that go in this direction already Someone already mentioned it but like SAO. Yeah, if you've watched the like first half season of SAO the good part It's it's kind of like the the impacts of your previous character Not only are they detectable as they are sometimes in like roguelike games, but they like extremely impact the world and There's this butterfly effect where someone comes in murders the son of some AI agent baker who

Starting point is 00:14:48 swears vengeance on every player character and there's like a plague put through the town through the bread sold at the bakery you could have all these different attributes that could even be slightly rng'd that apply to these to these npcs and depending on how people interact with them they could turn into like you could oh man like you could not even assign a big baddie to this world yeah there could just be many potential big baddies that form there could be forces that are aligned against each other and then through natural events of them you know wanting to gain position on each other

Starting point is 00:15:30 big baddies just are created dynamically in the world could be super interesting could be super interesting Hideo Kojima apparently had the idea of a raw game this this is according to floatplane chat back in 1998 and apparently it's something kind of like this uh yeah someday you can tell game developers have wanted to do this type of stuff for a long time well it's it's one of the holy grails it's like it's like true uh it's like true Physics based object interaction

Starting point is 00:16:06 Attempts have been made And even games Where it plays a significant role In gameplay whether we're talking about Rainbow six or some of the earlier battlefield Games destructible environments It's been done But nothing

Starting point is 00:16:23 Would be like A persistent environment where you can you know maybe not quite like a minecraft or fortnite but where you can build and also destroy realistically nothing like that actually exists i feel like it increases how much you care about your decisions in the game because yeah your decisions in the game are going to impact your next playthrough, but in a more serious way than most games that attempt to do that right now actually will.

Starting point is 00:16:51 The way looting in towns or encampments or whatever else would work, because if those agents are stealing from other player characters and from each other, and if there are enough AI agents that are working the land, producing raw materials and resources, the world, this game world,

Starting point is 00:17:13 will naturally become enriched over time. If you do the classic Legend of Zelda smash all the pots in your favorite town, you could bankrupt the town. Oh, wow, I't even like think of that like you're gonna have to actually not be a big jerk unless that's what you want for the world or it could be full of really good stuff because it's secret you know after 10 p.m the this town is cannibal mode you think they're really cool but but they're actually

Starting point is 00:17:46 stealing and cannibalizing the areas around them or whatever yeah door fortress yeah door fortress with this would be sick oh no they do have a persistent mode there's a lot of games that have done these

Starting point is 00:18:02 types of things I'm struggling to describe what i'm i'm trying to say but i think this is going to enable a new level of it if you know what i mean see dark 24 and floatplane chat says that would never work in a multiplayer game because people are trolls but that's the thing if you have an expansive enough world and enough of these AI agents, well, they're going to learn from the behavior that they see. And you're going to create a very adversarial type of world. I think what you could probably do is you could tailor the gaming experience by having worlds with different rules. So the AI agents all start with the same basic, you know, alignments,

Starting point is 00:18:48 or the same basic resources or jobs or whatever else it is. But in some worlds, you know, there's no player versus player. Or in some worlds, there's no player versus good aligned NPCs, or, you know, whatever these baseline rules are. i think that would really that would really alter the course of the world's development and people could pick their play style based on what type of world they select to warp into yeah and like if you're in a if you're in a like full pvp enabled world and the players do just attack everything all the time it would make sense for the agents to start training themselves more aggressively investing investing in armaments, whatnot. And if you created a world that had lesser resources in certain regions, well, those would be lower level regions.

Starting point is 00:19:33 So you could still have, kind of similar to what you'd see in an MMO, you could still have a training area where PvP is disabled and all the AI agents are kind of surfs or whatever. You'd have to turn it off because you couldn't actually nerf the NPCs too far or else all the low-level areas would just disappear. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's interesting. So, yeah, what about ruining the game economy by selling too many materials in a town? Like if you sell too much bread in a town, you could bankrupt the baker.

Starting point is 00:20:09 Some of these types of systems already exist yeah um but the the quake impacts of them yeah across the world i feel like it would be self-balancing to a point right because if there's a if there's a fixed amount of resource anytime someone amasses too much someone's going to be gunning for them. Oh, so you have assassins coming after you or whatever. Yeah. Something like that. If you have to actually cart your goods around. Oh, that's a really interesting thing.

Starting point is 00:20:37 So you just add these realism counterbalances to the ways that people will try to break the game and it's obviously something that will be broken in a new way every wipe it would have to be really really hard it's the kind of game it would have to be like realism hard it's the kind of game that you could play forever yeah pretty much yeah anyways um the discussion questions for this topic are what are the likely applications and limitations of this type of technology? What kind of difference would it make in people's lives if they had this kind of AI assistant? The most interesting, like, actually use it myself use case

Starting point is 00:21:17 that I think I saw was that the groceries one. Yeah. Because we've talked, like, there's been, oh, this fridge will, like, reorder milk for you or whatever um but that seems to have kind of gone away i don't know if it didn't work that well or what i mean probably but i haven't heard people talk about it in like a long time there are fridges so they were made by appliance manufacturers which is probably tell you how good the software was um but like i i also know a lot of people that say like one of the most annoying things they have to do every week is like figure out what the heck they're

Starting point is 00:21:49 going to eat um so if you can just tell it like i like these things i need groceries for a week and it can just figure it out for you i think a lot of people would just be happy with that i don't know and if it can actually order the groceries for you and they just like show up and then what's great is the longer you interact with it, the better it gets because you can say, this was great, this was trash, this was a 7 out of 10. This was too hard to cook. This was too boring to cook, if that's a metric that you care about. I don't have the right tools to cook this one.

Starting point is 00:22:19 Different things like that. There's a lot of media, whether it's games or movies that people are pointing out is similar to what we've been talking about it's pretty similar to the concept it's been around forever yep yeah what's exciting right now is that there's a path to it yeah a real realistic path to this gaming experience existing because up until now at levels of depth that we haven't really seen. We've reached a point where creating a next generation gaming experience has become functionally impossible. I mean, look at the budget.

Starting point is 00:22:54 Look at the time they spent on GTA V. Look at how long CD Projekt Red was working on Cyberpunk. Look how long they've been working on the next generation Witcher game. Because to handcraft every element of the environments and interactivity and questing and items and whatever it is, is no longer feasible if you're trying to make a bigger game than what came last. as a service is such a pervasive concept within the industry because you don't just gta6 doesn't just have to be bigger than gta5 it has to be bigger than gta5 plus the 10 flipping years of work that they've done on gta5 since they launched it it's actually impossible it's it's pretty ridiculous you can't you can't you can't catch up to yourself who's been running for 10 years. There's also reward systems in games that are holding that type of stuff back.

Starting point is 00:23:50 This is a slightly different conversation, but like CSGO 2 or whatever is coming. I don't get access because I'm not a cool streamer person. But one of the first things in their announcement was talking about how like, yes, don't worry, you'll be able to keep your skins. That doesn't work that great for every game. Yeah. It does work really well for Counter-Strike. Yeah, but like, where's my Oblivion horse armor now?

Starting point is 00:24:16 Yeah, what if the next game doesn't have horses? And so they don't want to create, oh yeah, you don't want to create an environment where people feel like well i would be a whale and i would spend thousands or tens of thousands of dollars on this game there's a new one coming and i can't take my stuff with me and you see the kind of backlash that developers are getting from you know oh well we're gonna do a new one and yeah forget about your old stuff. Oh man shoot. Who was it over not overwatch no New version coming old version

Starting point is 00:24:54 turned off game Hold on crap. That's why Tarkov's wipe system is great. Yeah, I I Think it just needs to wipe like is it Ark? Is that the one? Ark? A lot of people are saying Ark. I don't know much about Ark. Yeah, I think people are upset about Ark because they have a new one coming

Starting point is 00:25:10 and then they uploaded a remaster or they released a remaster of the original even though the second one is coming. But then they wanted to charge for the remaster and they were going to disable access to the first one so essentially it was like a forced upgrade to like arc 1.1 when arc 2 was coming or something like that that's gross yeah so this is that's not quite related to what we were talking about actually now that i think about it a bit more but um it's a way that game developers are going to have to figure out or it's an example of how game developers are going to have to figure out,

Starting point is 00:25:46 or it's an example of how game developers are going to have to figure out how to manage this relationship as they rev their software, knowing that their previous games as a service either isn't gone or either is gone and they have to figure out how to smooth that over or isn't gone and they have to incentivize people

Starting point is 00:26:05 to move on to the next thing. Apparently, it's not just a remaster, but you have to repay for all of the DLCs. Nice. That's ridiculous. Speaking of moving on, why don't we talk about our next big... Oh, hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:26:16 Do we want to jump to a non-AI? Riley says, Luke, look at this. What? Quote, unquote, a really big deal. Dolly is a free opensource chat GPT style AI model Yeah, oh so we've We've talked about a few different open-source chat GPT style. Oh, this is just what you're talking about

Starting point is 00:26:38 Where you bring the whole processing load? Locally, yeah, so there's a couple of these that are already out um i think this is literally trained off of the predecessors um like uh llama and alpaca i think it's just a like better more advanced version of those i haven't looked super deeply into this but i i do believe it's essentially the same deal but like just much stronger than lemon alpaca were uh all right let's talk about really big deal yeah like i i haven't looked i haven't like downloaded this and ran it myself yet but as far as my understanding goes it's just like a way more advanced version of those all right let's do it do what the? The one. The one? Yep.

Starting point is 00:27:25 We have to talk about Twitter. We're just going straight down the list? Let's do it. Elon Musk pivots to AI. He was talking about the Everything app in the past. So if you're doing an Everything app, then you have to chase the flavor of the month all the time. And that means right now chasing AI. And that means right now chasing AI.

Starting point is 00:27:54 Musk has recently hired talent from Google's subsidiary DeepMind and purchased around 10,000 GPUs in an apparent pivot towards development of a chat GPT rival. Or some other AI based thing. Maybe say open AI, not chat GPT. At the same time, Twitter Inc. has been folded into XCorp. That's an interesting one. One of two corporate entities created in March alongside X.AI. It's unclear precisely what form this new AI project will take. I genuinely don't know anyone that is confident in what the heck they would be doing. But it likely has something to do with Elon Musk's proposed Everything app, as we mentioned

Starting point is 00:28:25 earlier, which he calls X. According to Musk, he wants to make the X app analogous to WeChat in terms of functionality. Musk has announced that Twitter slash XCorp will now be auto-replying to press inquiries with poop emojis, making it difficult to get a straightforward comment on the future direction of the company. Very cool. Elon also announced Twitter subscriptions. Creators can charge followers for exclusive long-form tweets and hours-long video, or shorter, up to hours-long video. Basically upgraded super follows, with Twitter forfeiting their cut of the revenue for the first year, also known as a marketing budget budget tell me you're desperate without telling me you're desperate yeah um can i can i pitch a theory here yeah i feel like a lot of the other coverage and conversation that i've seen around this has been

Starting point is 00:29:16 you know what game of 4d chess is he playing uh you know what will be what will be the vision for the everything app or whatever whatever else it is? I actually think it is way simpler than that. Here's my cynical, the simplest answer is probably the correct answer theory. I think he wants to unload Twitter. So it makes sense to fold it into something else. So now it's X Corp. Okay.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Which like is cool or something. I think that by, by tying X Corp to this everything app slash it's working on AI kind of, you know, BS Silicon Valley startup kind of nebulous cool factor brand. There's more than 2000 AI startups in the last week, if I remember correctly. Yeah. So it makes sense.

Starting point is 00:30:14 Yep. So creating a perceived value by throwing his very loud noise making skills at a really big buzzword could give him an opportunity to dump Twitter before anyone realizes that they're not actually doing anything other than buying GPUs, which has also been in the headlines because NVIDIA has been talking about how cryptocurrency is stupid, AI is our future, everyone needs to buy GPUs for AI, we're NVIDIA, let's go. There are other processors for

Starting point is 00:30:46 ai i mean nvidia is very dominant in the space right now but they are not going to be the only one forever yeah um so i i actually think it's just the simplest and you know why would he why would he avoid press inquiries well because press ask uncomfortable questions man that interview i haven't watched it i've watched some clips from it i've been told i should watch it but press ask uncomfortable questions. Man, that interview. I haven't watched it. I've watched some clips from it. I've been told I should watch it, but I haven't watched it. It's pretty rough. Because the press asks uncomfortable questions and doesn't just ask them, but expects a real

Starting point is 00:31:16 well-thought-out answer. They're not just going to accept whatever stupid thing you say. So by stonewalling any serious inquiry about what's going on, he gives himself the only speaker's gavel or speaker's staff or whatever thing the speaker holds in this particular weird timeline we're on, allowing himself to build this narrative of what XCorp slash Twitter slash XAI actually is under this shroud of secrecy where actually it's just doing weird little proofs of concept with engineers it borrows from Tesla or whatever.

Starting point is 00:31:52 And then hopefully he can find someone stupid enough to put a bunch of investment money into this so that he can dump his share somehow and just get the crap away from this dumpster fire. I think this is just a loss minimizing strategy. And I think it's, it's, it, maybe it's just because I'm a very cynical person at this point, but it seems pretty, it seems pretty transparent to me. It does somewhat go in line with a move that I've seen from a couple little startups recently, which is why they find an engineer that they feel like they can label as a superstar, like LLM AI machine learning engineer. They pay them big mega bucks to come on board. They buy a ton of GPUs. They slap a label on

Starting point is 00:32:41 their project and they just try to flip it like literally like that week yeah there's some there's some flips that have been happening very very fast there's also big money in this type of engineering right now because you know twitter buying 10 000 gpus these are expensive like a 100 big super chip very big money like 45 000 on ebay graphics cards right now 45 000 or 4500 45 000 is that just scalping that's going on right now like is this the thing yeah how much is a hopper let me see if i can find h100 gpu let's go 42 000 for a tesla h100 h100 sorry not a100 yeah that's the last gen you're thinking of my bad uh but yeah i don't think these were worth that much before uh yeah probably not um because the problem is a lot of these companies that you know some of them might just be trying to cash in

Starting point is 00:33:45 on like the dot-com 2.0 hype kind of thing some of them also have very good ideas and they need these gpus to power those ideas and they can't get them they got investor money they're gonna get them somehow right apparently the msrp for this one or well there is no msrp for something like this yeah typically sold as integrated but apparently the price for these is typically Apparently the MSRP for this one, or well, there is no MSRP for something like this. Yeah, I don't think you can just buy it. It's typically sold as integrated. But apparently the price for these is typically around $35,000. Oh, okay. I mean, it's still marked up by $7,000.

Starting point is 00:34:15 Yeah. And there aren't even many available. Yeah. Okay, sure. So it's been pretty intense there's so they're right what i was saying was there's actually a lot of money right now in being an engineer that can work on this stuff especially if you can be super efficient with it because if you can reduce the cost of gpus and the cost of continually processing on those gpus that you need to have. That's very beneficial for companies right now.

Starting point is 00:34:46 The OpenAI has been talking about how they don't actually believe a lot of these models need to be trained on bigger data sets. Oh, interesting. And that they're not actually... Do they just need cleaner data sets or...? Potentially cleaner, potentially better at parsing them, potentially better systems powering the actual like chat module, stuff like that. They've said that they're not actually working on GPT-5 right

Starting point is 00:35:10 now. And they think it is more beneficial and they will step forward faster if they work on like supporting tools for what they already have, which honestly kind of makes sense to me. Because when you're talking about it, like, uh, the previous, uh, topic where we mentioned that it will like get distracted or confused with complex goals. Well, okay. It might be more productive to work on keeping it on task by teaching it how to, um, you know, break apart problems and compartmentalize parts of it. Like you do with like, like humans do, to be completely honest. If you get this massive, complicated task, instead of trying to tackle the entire thing as one big

Starting point is 00:35:50 unit, you often break it down into smaller things so that you can easily, more easily task, tackle it and keep yourself focused. Well, working on things like that might actually be more beneficial and get you to a higher perceived performance and power faster than just training a bigger model that's going to have the same problem. Um, so yeah. I also want to talk about LinkedIn verified. Yeah. Speaking of everything apps, LinkedIn has gone from somewhere that you go just for the exclusive purpose of updating your resume when you're looking for a job to as far as I can tell the primary social network for I'm just trying to think

Starting point is 00:36:37 probably most of the working adults that I know like and I and I, and I don't mean I'm aware of, like, I'm not talking about people that I've added a couple of times on Twitter or whatever else. I'm talking about people that I know who mostly I only work. So I'm, I mean, most of the people I know are, are through work. The amount of just sort of random crap posting on LinkedIn and just life updates people are posting on there. How active it is. Because I don't really engage with it. So almost everyone that I'm connected with on LinkedIn is someone that I added over 10 years ago back when I was updating my resume. Because I was looking for a job, right?

Starting point is 00:37:22 Like that's how I used it. But the way that it's used has evolved so much now and this is cool they're rolling out a verification program so it looks like by confirming users identities and their workplace it's going to start to work kind of like blind so in addition to being a social network that you just generally engage with your your professional circle through and then just apparently engage with just about anybody based on the messages i get on linkedin it's going to become more like a private version of your own internal work chat slash board slash slack i mean it's owned by microsoft so it might it could tie into

Starting point is 00:38:07 teams even if you wanted but without without the filter of being worried that your you know your system administrator or your boss is going to archive and read any message that you post until linkedin has a data breach until linkedin has a breach i mean you just said owned by microsoft when's the last time microsoft had a major user data breach but nobody's like no it's perfect hey we're not we're not saying it's uh it's impossible but that is fair microsoft has been pretty solid for quite a while now so they're gonna send a security code through your work email so they'll actually verify the domain of your workplace make sure that you have a functioning email that makes sense and even have people submit their government id to a third-party verification service this is basically what google tried to do with google plus

Starting point is 00:38:55 i barely remember how google plus functioned to be completely honest google plus the concept was circles yeah okay for one thing and that okay, we're not going back to circles, but also creating pods of, well, here's my professional network, here's whatever else. I think that you could easily use it this way if you really wanted to. But the big one was when they integrated Google Plus

Starting point is 00:39:20 with YouTube was they wanted to cut down on spam. Apparently, Azure just had a breach. Oh, awesome. Are you kidding me? Okay, great timing. Okay, so your data won't be safe, but hey, at least you can send snarky messages about, you know, Jeff from accounting to Sue from, you know, logistics or whatever else. Anyway, that doesn't change my point. The point is that youtube was attempting to not that recently to moderate the conversations

Starting point is 00:39:53 that were occurring on youtube by having everyone verify their identity use real identities and facebook tried to do something very similar when they cracked down on people having just sort of nonsense profile names and had people, they restricted your ability to change your name all the time. They had you actually submit. It would call you on it if you submitted something that didn't sound like a real enough name. It feels like we frogs have been kind of, like remember Bob and his tank army?

Starting point is 00:40:28 When Google integrated YouTube and Google plus and wanted everybody to use real identities, the kind of, of rebellion that took place on the internet. And now I'm even looking at this going, this is, this is kind of, this is feels like a feature. This is apparently part of an effort to crack down on fraud and impersonation

Starting point is 00:40:49 on the site, which would be which which would legitimately make it a much better experience which isn't really different from what google was trying to do would we have it is i think it is i was having i was actually having this conversation with some friends literally last night um not this exact one but about like your frogs comment. Sure. About how a lot of people have just kind of given up on privacy when that used to be like a huge conversation and genuinely a massive percentage of the population is like, yeah, I'll just have like Amazon echoes all around my house and ring doorbells and whatever. And I don't care. Um, I think this is a little bit different because LinkedIn has never been anonymous. Yeah. And Google or YouTube comments and all that kind of stuff, they were anonymous and then that was taken away. LinkedIn's like whole purpose was like, look, this is who I am.

Starting point is 00:41:36 This is my name. This is where I work. This is everything I've ever done. All that kind of stuff. So I don't feel like it's really a change of tone for the platform. So is it just a change in attitude for the user that they enjoy and appreciate the more meaningful interactions they have on this platform? I could definitely see that being a thing. And are gravitating towards using it, even if they're not really thinking about why it works so much better. It could be that in this like era of the internet, we're now kind of separating.

Starting point is 00:42:02 Like the same person might still want their anonymity on twitter or youtube comments or whatever else but then want to have more direct know the person you're talking to conversations on another platform somewhere else like potentially linkedin i could totally see that being a thing i would have to purge my linkedin because i just like i'm gonna go to luke's linkedin at some point in time i just like... I'm going to go to Luke's LinkedIn. At some point in time, I just like added everyone. Oh. Were you job searching? Did it seem like we were going through a rough patch?

Starting point is 00:42:33 Oh, I think this was when you were doing it too. I think we were both in panic mode. I think I've updated my picture. Now, hold on a second. You actually... No, you haven't. That's really old. Is that from Taiwan? I actually don't know brandon clearly

Starting point is 00:42:48 took that but i don't know where we were that's got to be in taiwan you've you've updated it recently i updated it slightly because so many people were contacting me through your linkedin for work you're all over that you're all over that linkedin no because they wanted jobs here yeah because you you know updated your updated your title. So no no no no What jobs are you applying for? That's from the last time. Oh No, that's ancient. Oh, I see. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah 500 plus connections. Yeah, I ruined it. Good gravy. It's like a lot more than that, too

Starting point is 00:43:20 That's just what they display. Wow, cool certification, bro. Hey, it's real. I got it. I mean, yeah, I guess so. Yep Neat oh, this was while you were working here. Did I pay for that? You don't remember that? No, you didn't Oh, okay. Wow, you should have had me pay for that. That was well before we had that program. Oh, that makes sense Yeah, okay. No wait this oh yeah, we didn't have any money Right this is when you kept talking about gamifying the forum, yeah, then you wouldn't shut up about it It's because you took this course. Yeah, got didn't have any money. No. Right, this is when you kept talking about gamifying the forum. Yeah. And you wouldn't shut up about it. It's because you took this course.

Starting point is 00:43:47 Yeah. Got it. Okay. Yeah. So what's the point of listing your University of Victoria education when it's very clear from the date range that you did not complete? Well, I didn't finish the other one either. That doesn't really answer my question at all.

Starting point is 00:44:07 Did you include yours? I'm checking. Because if I'm going to shame you, then I guess I better check my own shiz over here. You got your secondary school. Oh, yeah. That's pretty cringe. I don't know if that's better, to be honest. Founder.

Starting point is 00:44:25 Committed to delivering fun. YouTube video social media project coordinator. What a title. I made it up, right? Obviously. Like I didn't have a title. I don't think I ever got a formal promotion the entire time I worked at NCIX, but I definitely got paid a lot more.

Starting point is 00:44:40 So I gave myself my own title. Everyone kind of picked their own title there. So whatever. Yeah. Ret retail sales representative student works painting lifeguarding day camp counselor yeah i got my no i didn't put university on there because there because i didn't get a degree and i didn't get a diploma so i only counted i only counted as possible on there i have what hold on when did you update this hold on hold on i have what sorry go down further down down down down down down down down down keep going keep going keep going keep going publications fast as possible yeah

Starting point is 00:45:17 executives ncx executives yeah well we started fast as possible six days after lmg was officially started because remember the idea behind it was that it was going to be... I don't remember it was that soon. Yeah. Yeah. Fast as possible was so important because it was going to be the vehicle by which we were going to get way more views on our paid video production work for brands. We were going to create this channel. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:41 That was little explainers to get people subscribed and get momentum and then it was going to also be just like fully paid videos for you know corsair or samsung or whatever the case may be i would totally stupid plan based on how youtube works now where it's a lot more important how good the quality of the video is and a lot less important how many subscribers you have but it seemed like kind of a good idea at the time yeah we started it pretty much right away and it was also at a time when pretty much everyone on youtube had a secondary channel of some sort you know whether it was a vlog channel or behind the scenes channel or like even a lot of them were just called like two cooking streams

Starting point is 00:46:22 yeah yeah just just two yeah so i So I wanted some kind of second identity, whether it was if the main channel went down or stopped growing or... Something I discovered very recently, this is super off topic, but that there's a bunch of channels that just mirror themselves. They'll have another channel of a same, similar,

Starting point is 00:46:41 or even completely different name that has all of the same content. And some people that do that have gotten mad because youtube has like gotten rid of their channel their additional channel because of impersonation but they're like no wait that's me i was like i had no idea this was a thing that people did interesting apparently they do it not actually for like algorithmic gains they don't promote the other channel okay that's what i would have said if the first channel just gets deletified they have the second one still so if they get like content strikes on one of them they can survive and just remove the chan remove the videos that they got the content strikes from

Starting point is 00:47:21 and then just keep going at least that's what the like one person i saw talking about it i'm sorry i don't believe that it might not be real i don't know i just saw one person commenting about that's how that's what they do that's interesting um but yeah okay do we need to move on explain merch messages is our current thing yeah okay, okay, right. So we're trying to make the show a little bit more structured. We had a five-hour WAN show last week, which was A, a lot, and B, not even remotely feasible today

Starting point is 00:47:55 given how late we ended up starting. So Dan is trying to kind of keep us in line here. If you guys are not familiar yet, merch messages are the way to interact with the show. Send little messages that pop up in the bottom to your friends or your mom, assuming your mom watches the WAN show,

Starting point is 00:48:11 so you can send a merch message. You're the only person whose mom I know watches the WAN show. It also allows you to send in topic suggestions, just generally show some love. It's a better way to interact with the show because unlike a Twitch bit or a Super chat or whatever else the case may be a merch message might not get a response we do our best but even if it doesn't you will get your order in the mail in however

Starting point is 00:48:36 long it takes to get to america or timbuktu or australia or wherever it happens to be that you live or if you're buying a gift for someone else So why don't we do a couple of merch messages to kind of... Oh, right. The way it works is you go on lttstore.com, and in the checkout, you'll see a little box. Whenever we're live, there's a box where you can fill in your merch message, and it'll go into a queue to be sorted by Producer Dan. Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple merch messages,

Starting point is 00:49:01 and then we'll move on to our next topic? I do. I've got a couple good ones here for you. First up is from Adrian. If LMG didn't exist and you could choose to do whatever you wanted, where would you work and in what position? Well, the position would definitely be on all fours. Okay, no, hold on, hold on. Okay. I'm going to answer this two different ways.

Starting point is 00:49:25 I'm going to answer without the, if you could choose to do whatever you wanted. If LMG didn't exist, probably it would have collapsed around the first three to six months. And I had a pretty solid job. Or just never started. Yeah. I had a pretty solid job offer at Western Digital. I remember that and like it was like it looked pretty good compared to the constant existential crisis that was linus media group at

Starting point is 00:49:56 that time i it i was thinking about it seriously enough like i i never i always told them no right but i was thinking about it enough it was troubling me enough that I did talk to Luke and Ed about it it's like hey so this is like a thing um it was fun because I lived with him at the time and I had abandoned both Ed and I had completely abandoned our educational prospects which we were both doing very well with in order to start this company and then after we did that he was talking to us and I was hearing him and Yvonne update his LinkedIn profile so he could get a different job and abandon this project. That was,

Starting point is 00:50:31 that was a very cool era. When did I update my LinkedIn profile? I was already living with you and we were working on this. Are you sure? You're updating your LinkedIn because of the WD thing. I thought, see, i thought see i remember writing all of this stuff on my linkedin profile in my office when i was still at ncix because i gave them like six months oh you might have also done that

Starting point is 00:50:54 oh okay i don't know yeah i think yeah i'm not saying it was exclusively at that time okay i i can tell you i didn't update much i I know because I updated my LinkedIn before I left because I wanted to be able to check a whole bunch of numbers while I still had access to the internal system. How much did I grow the revenue on this line from when to when? So I did the vast majority of that then. I will give you credit. It was communicated as a like, if this does burn, this is my plan.

Starting point is 00:51:23 But the plan is for it to not burn. And I did talk to you. I was i mean i was open about it i would rather know so like i'm not i'm not i'm not mad about it it was just a spicy moment that's all yeah hey hey we made it we made it yeah um and like it wasn't like it wasn't like i wasn't considering what I would do if it burnt as well. I don't know. I don't know if Ed was. I'm not sure. I think he just had no plan.

Starting point is 00:51:53 It's like, I don't know. It's cool. It kind of sucks. Maybe it's pointless. I don't know. Just not do that. You probably would have been fine with that. So I had tried to apply to Amazon.

Starting point is 00:52:03 So that was clearly something that I wanted to do. I didn't get the job at Amazon. So I went full bore into getting Linus Media Group started. And then shortly into Linus Media Group, I got the offer from WD. That was probably the best offer that I got and might have catapulted me into some kind of marketing position somewhere else. Would I have ended up? into some kind of marketing position somewhere else.

Starting point is 00:52:25 Would I have ended up... I would have if I had gotten desperate enough. Paul and Kyle, I think, had already split from Newegg at this point. I'm not 100% sure. But just running and joining the video team there, I don't think they had. I think they were still there. But if I had applied,

Starting point is 00:52:42 I'm sure I could have become you know, become a host there. That was an option that I was turning over in my mind. There was some plan. Oh, man. I don't know if I'm hallucinating this or not. I think there was some plan. Are you chat GPT? I think there was some plan at some point that we had talked about

Starting point is 00:52:59 where if it didn't work, you and I were both going to go somewhere. I don't remember where. I told you that one of the conditions that I had given to WD in the very short conversations was that I wanted to be able to bring my team with me because they wanted me to do some video stuff there in some capacity. Oh, okay, yeah. So that— Maybe that was it.

Starting point is 00:53:18 I don't—it's been a long—it's actually genuinely been a very long time. It's been 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to remember the exact details of the conversations yeah so so if i recall correctly they weren't that they weren't that enthused on that yeah they weren't that into that uh well i don't i don't think because you guys weren't good i think just because they didn't really know you guys and that's a that's a sudden change to the

Starting point is 00:53:39 ask yeah hey if you hire me you have to hire three people that's like well by that time Brandon was with us too four so four yeah yeah that's a lot now I'm gonna answer as though I could do anything I want um I don't know being like a professional footballer looks pretty good I mean soccer do you mean soccer yeah yeah yeah I mean soccer like uh yeah yeah like if I could just be like Cristiano Ronaldo not badminton? They don't make any money. Okay. Yeah, like, you know, it seems like that seems pretty good. Or like, oh, man.

Starting point is 00:54:14 Can I just be the son of, like, someone who has a job? It appears to be a thing. Yeah, yeah. No, that's... That doesn't really count, but that be a thing. Yeah, yeah. No, that's... That doesn't really count, but that is a thing. That's all a lie. No, that's a lie, because I think you and I both know that I wouldn't... You want to do something.

Starting point is 00:54:32 I wouldn't be happy. I was having this conversation with Jake, actually, like two days ago, because he sent me a picture of his trunk full of new speakers when we just upgraded his speakers as part of his extreme tech upgrade. Okay? And then a week or two weeks later, he's sending me pictures of his Home Depot run where he got this super cool new acoustic material

Starting point is 00:54:58 and some rock wool. And then the week after that, he's sending me pictures of like... He's been on a mega sound kick for a while. Him building panels and, you know, putting putting fabric over them and whatever. And I'm like, brother. You know why you drive me crazy? Because you are just like me.

Starting point is 00:55:24 That is the worst thing about you. You are just like me. How long have you actually spent listening to music? And I have his response. This is fantastic. Hold on, where is it? Like the number of hours he has spent optimizing his setup. Dell switches.

Starting point is 00:55:50 Oh, man, I text Jake a lot. Oh, the problem is that I'm on Teams. Okay, hold on. Oh, this is taking far too long. I'm so sorry. I thought this was going to be the kind of thing that I just had ready at a moment's notice. Anyway, whatever. The point is, it was like four minutes.

Starting point is 00:56:15 Because he spent all his time setting it up. Building the thing. Yeah. Many hours. And it was like, dang, this sounds awesome. So it's like how you would spend like weeks building the the perfect thing with a computer and then don't play any games yeah yeah or how i would spend hours setting up a headphone listening room with all different amps and dacs and headphones

Starting point is 00:56:37 which we did here and then not use it once or like how I would set up, um, a gaming lounge so that I can hang out on lounge nights only to show up a grand total of probably three times. I think I've managed to make it to lounge night and, and, and I, I even have made it like part of Chase's duties, our event coordinator, part of his duties to ensure that those happen every two weeks.

Starting point is 00:57:03 So they're happening. I'm paying for it And I almost never actually get to go Or, okay, since we're at it How I would set up a home theater room So that, I mean, I guess my kids use it But I think I've actually only watched about four movies Since we moved in, in the theater room

Starting point is 00:57:21 Because I just, I can't help it. I would rather build the Lego kit than actually play with my Lego dragon when I'm done. It's just the way that I am. So if I had to get into an industry, maybe I would get into commercial real um, commercial real estate development, something like that. If the clients weren't horrible,

Starting point is 00:57:50 I think it could actually be pretty enjoyable. Cause you're just constantly learning about what this person's work, what this company, this organization's workflow is. I feel like you and Yvonne both like that. And, and, and,

Starting point is 00:58:02 and, and finding solutions and optimizing. Um, I think another thing that would be that would be pretty fun for me is anything to do with anything like really hands-on um ah no nope that's what I'm going with okay your answer I had a ton of different paths that I was pursuing like actually an insane amount of different paths that I was pursuing, like actually an insane amount of different things that I was actually working on. The most direct path that I was on, the thing that I had like an offer for and whatnot,

Starting point is 00:58:36 was like software development and database management based. Would I have wanted to do that forever? Probably not. But it seemed like the most direct path out of school. And you would have just automated the vast majority of it and like, I don't know, played video games but I think you would have gotten bored. I would have gotten bored, exactly. Yeah, 100%.

Starting point is 00:58:51 Yeah, so Unless you did it at a really small company where everything was constantly on fire. So what I think I actually probably would have ended up doing, this is still not like get to pick anything in the world is your career but like disaster recovery I genuinely think I actually probably would have ended up doing this is still not like get to pick anything in the world is your career yeah but uh like disaster recovery okay I genuinely think I would really enjoy that probably like nation scale um so like natural disaster recovery oh okay interesting so like figuring out how comms and logistics are gonna work and whatever okay and

Starting point is 00:59:23 then like coordinating responses and doing all that kind of stuff. I genuinely think I would really like that. If I could pick anything, astronaut, and I actually do mean that seriously. I just don't think I would actually be able to like make the cut right now. Oh yeah. Yeah, no, you got to be a genius

Starting point is 00:59:39 and like an athlete and whatever. And like I have bad eyes and dyslexia and like other things where like yeah and you're like almost too old at this point yeah probably like yeah get wrecked i mean i thought about it when i was younger and then i thought about the cuts that you have to go along and all this type of stuff and where you end up if you don't make the cuts and i was like yeah probably not i think i'm not gonna go in that direction right so it's one of those it's one of those career paths like star quarterback yeah if you make it cool great and if you don't it's like uh and it's it's not a hundred percent that way because you usually end

Starting point is 01:00:21 up with very extreme education experience and stuff and the jobs that you can get if you don't make it are very good often. Respectable. Yes. But not what I would necessarily want to do. I get it. So it's not quite the, sort of, as in like it ends you up somewhere that you don't want to be. But not as much because a lot of the potential jobs are like very serious, big time career type things. But they're still not necessarily things that I would want to do.

Starting point is 01:00:48 Hit us again, Dan. Yeah. Oh, I think it's about time to move on to some more topics. Unless you really do want another one. Yeah, you have to give us one more. Sorry. All right. I don't make the rules.

Starting point is 01:00:58 You do. We're working through it together. Okay. Next up is from Gary. Discuss. This is more of a demand than a question i think a pair of 17 year old students used a flipper zero finding flaws in their school's rfid and network students are now facing legal trouble that's what do you tell parents students so this is a tough one because while they might have been right we're missing some information

Starting point is 01:01:34 find vulnerabilities yeah we don't have the whole story here so i'm gonna have to kind of come at it a few different ways while they might have been right to find and disclose vulnerabilities to actually enact them to, to, to exploit them in any way could very well be illegal. Um, it's kind of like how, it's kind of like how it would be fine to knock on someone's door and tell

Starting point is 01:02:02 them, Hey, um, that lock on your door is super insecure and you should replace it have a great one see you later that's fine but if you sit there attempting to pick but if you sit there and pick it and walk into their house and you're like hey um well-meaning neighbor yeah everything's chill so i'll be on my way in a sec but your door is super insecure i was able to pick that in like 10 seconds uh see you later that's still breaking and entering um yeah

Starting point is 01:02:31 so so there's some stuff about this that we don't know if they if they detected vulnerabilities using flipper zero didn't do anything with them and then reported it to the school and the school is trying to go after them with legal trouble I hope that the internet rains down on that school with everything they've got if they like did abuse things I still think they should have a light hand with them they're students we don't hold these students are that's fair there are students who are like 18 and a pair of 17 year old students we actually know how they're yeah are that's fair there are students who are like 18 and a pair of 17 year old students we actually do know how old they're yeah they're they're old enough i mean come on

Starting point is 01:03:10 it depends what they do in my opinion yeah sure if they like mess around and like change the text on the school sign yeah that's pretty minor yeah that's just pranks give them a slap on the wrist whatever if they tried to like change their grades or something i'm i'm not saying this is even like possible with that system i'm just saying like that level of thing then that could be a problem you know no don't say that don't say what what did i say i don't know whatever moving on all right let's move on to our next topic here do you want to talk about the mario movie uh yeah sure now you haven't seen it no right no have you read reviews uh or looked at watched reviews i don't know how do people review these days sort of okay it's doing better than i thought it was going to do what are

Starting point is 01:03:58 your expectations are you are you gonna watch it because you like never go to the movies i very rarely go to the movies when's the last time you went to a movie? I literally don't know. Was it when we went to see The Second Kingsman? I think so, yeah. Because that was like, the third one is like out, you know? Did we go see that one? No, we watched that one at my place.

Starting point is 01:04:24 Oh, yeah. Very disappointing. Because I remember it. Yeah, it was pretty disappointing. The third one was pretty bad. Yeah. did we go see that one no we watched that one at my place oh yeah very disappointing because i remember it yeah it was pretty bad yeah um are you gonna go i don't know i am planning on going to the movies soon i want to go see john wick for with brandon okay all right cool cool cool i like going to see cinematic movies with brandon because then he gets to geek out about them afterwards and it's like right that's fun um but i don't know i probably wait for it to come to some service but i can definitely watch because i definitely subscribe to it it's surprisingly fine okay my expectations based on the critical reception were pretty low oh Oh, yeah. I assumed it was garbage.

Starting point is 01:05:06 And then apparently people seem to like it a decent amount. Yeah. Right now on Rotten Tomatoes. Let me jump to my screen. Not that one. Oh, boy. He's good at this. The tomato meter.

Starting point is 01:05:17 So the reviewers gave it a 58. But audience, 96. Yeah. People like it. Those are both completely wrong it is it is not a 96 piece of storytelling um well okay no it's a visual fiesta that's not that's not how rotten tomatoes works because rotten tomatoes is yes or no and if you vote yes it's like oh i know it goes up okay yeah but but in general what we've what what would typically be a 96 percent would have to have everything it would

Starting point is 01:05:52 have to be great fun for the whole family you know all the multiple layers of whatever you know something like an up is is a masterful animated film definitely Definitely. It's not Up. Right. What is Up's ratings? Oh, it's probably close to 100%. I mean, I kind of hope so. 98? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:16 It's not 2%. Yeah. It's not 2% worse than Up. It's not close. The audience score for Up is 90. The tomato meter is 98. Up is a... People have bad tastes yeah so anyway um the super mario brothers movie though what it is is good clean fun it's nintendo i mean that's probably good it's good clean fun it's um you know everything that i was

Starting point is 01:06:42 worried would be kind of garbage about it um like if they if they overdid the the references and and they they they did it's of course there's a lot of it's from one reference to one reference to another reference but you know nintendo has what what are we what are we coming up on like you know 40 years of like modern era video gaming yeah content they're all playing cards whether playing cards. Whether it's music or characters or environments or mechanics or whatever else it is. Sorry, plumbers. Nintendo has so much to draw on

Starting point is 01:07:15 that they can do that without it feeling stale. And I actually, I enjoyed it. It's not the kind of thing that I would watch again. I don't need that. I enjoyed it. It's not the kind of thing that I would watch again. I don't need that. I definitely prefer Despicable Me if I'm going to pick an illumination film that I like better. Okay.

Starting point is 01:07:34 But it was fine. Good enough? Yeah, it was totally good enough. The kids loved it. Do you feel like the voice acting detracted from it? You know what? Controversial take. Here we go.

Starting point is 01:07:46 I thought Chris Pratt was fine. I thought Anya Taylor-Joy was terrible. She took me out of the movie basically every time Princess Peach opened her mouth. And it didn't take you out for Chris Pratt? No, it was fine. Interesting. Yeah. The thing that's crazy to me is that the voice actor for mario is like alive and he's in the

Starting point is 01:08:07 movie oh what the heck yeah yeah it's fine it's like actually like i said everything that i thought was terrible and i'm not really spoiling anything it's revealed in like the first couple minutes uh everything that i thought was gonna be bad was fine i want to ask like how they explain that away and stuff but it's gonna be too spoiler no no it's it's just it's fine okay and it's fine yeah um the second one is going to be dog I'm calling it you feel like they spent all their like yeah yeah yep all the good references are spent well any character development that they can do for Mario is... There's

Starting point is 01:08:47 plenty more to explore. They have set up a cinematic universe worth of things to explore. Yeah, yeah. Which means someone is on a time crunch creating the next cookie cutter installment of this that is meant to come out on X schedule

Starting point is 01:09:08 come hell or high water and don't forget about the the TV show tie-ins and all the the video game tie-ins that you're gonna have to you're gonna have to play in order to know what's happening when Peach gets captured by Bowser and goes there and she gets rescued and there's a gonna be a little wink to the audience in Super Mario Bros. Movie 4. And Toad's standalone adventure movie when he has Toad's Adventure 2 or whatever. It's going to be awful. I'm calling it now. It's going to get super self-referential to itself rather than to the rich video game history

Starting point is 01:09:47 or i could be totally wrong and nintendo could go an utterly different direction with it spoilers no there's there's no spoilers i'm just i'm just i'm just talking about it spoilers for the movie that isn't out yet Yeah exactly guys But yeah yeah Smash Bros Multiverse Is 100% Going to be a thing and it's going to be Atrocious Because the other thing too is they went with all their most recognizable Characters right out of the gate so what

Starting point is 01:10:16 It's going to be like Icarus and Game and Watch Like I Do you think they could do the adventures of someone else I mean they could This the adventures of someone else i mean they could they could just wouldn't perform as well i think if they wanted it to be good they would probably go separate universes um do you think they could do stuff like like someone in floatplane chat mentioned luigi going ghostbusters do you think they could do like a, like a murder mystery style thing with like the Luigi haunted house stuff?

Starting point is 01:10:48 There's so much room for them to do something creative and amazing. You know, I'd, I'd love to see a Zelda movie. I'd love to see it done really well. It has to be done really well. Totally different. I'm still burnt off the Warcraft movie. I still like have a huge lack of trust like i almost want like like cast away kind of

Starting point is 01:11:10 vibes where where it really focuses on on link and his lonely wandering uh or something or something do something totally different the problem is that this is now the most successful animated film of all time in terms of like its first week take yeah and you know how bean counters work whether they're nintendo bean counters number two or disney bean counters that that more of that yeah or yeah yeah it's disappointing yeah like, like Breath of the Wild, like Legend of Zelda spinoff movie could actually be super sick. Like a hardcore survival film, but it's like Link trying to...

Starting point is 01:11:57 Ooh, live action would be cool. Yeah, it could be good. You want it to be animated. My thing is... I don't think it should should be cute. They took the Warcraft movie Yeah, which has like like people would watch this was actually a thing people uploaded Just all of the cinematics for Warcraft 3 which don't even go into each other properly and just uploaded all of them in one Video file onto YouTube still a better movie than Twilight and people would just watch the whole thing all the way through. It had tons of views back in the day.

Starting point is 01:12:29 Yeah. Because the cinematics that Blizzard made for so long, even now, when they make full-fledged ones, because they, not the in-game ones, but when they make full-fledged ones, are like just absolutely legendary cinematics. And then they're like, Warcraft movie? Live action. Like, what are you doing? And so I, oh man. absolutely legendary cinematics and then they're like warcraft movie live action like what what

Starting point is 01:12:46 are you doing and so i oh man so i i i i question that a little bit sure i actually think it would be like more legit i i hazard saying this i think it'd be more legit to do that with legend of zelda than it is with uh warcraft or really any blizzard title to be completely honest but i still just i hazard that there's all these like disney like oh we're gonna live action lion king that's stupid don't do that well yeah it's not even live action that's just an animated movie just like in a realistic yeah style well let's take all the emotion out of it cool uh so i i'm speaking out of. I haven't watched it because I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just Read the comments. I'm just

Starting point is 01:13:33 I'm just like concerned. That's all Shia LaBeouf has Link. Okay, you guys are memeing now That's not funny Pretty funny super immersive about it Shia LaBeouf gets arrested for like smashing pots It's not Ezra Miller so That's the that's the actor that is just plays the flash and is as far as we can tell just a complete weirdo Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, man speaking of method actors though. I I would love oh man. This is embarrassing

Starting point is 01:14:16 Viggo Mortensen, I'd love him as like Ganondorf or something just like play a villain for a change. Yeah cool Yeah, that's Aragorn i know i knew that he doesn't know actors yeah but i knew that one because i'm like a lord of the rings nerd yeah um yeah all right why don't we jump into microsoft could be working on a windows handheld mode for steam deck alikes this is super exciting uh not because i want the steam deck to fail or because i want SteamOS to see any less development. Not because I think that Windows is an alternative to SteamOS, or that I want it to become this easier path. Blah, blah, blah. None of those things. But because competition

Starting point is 01:14:58 is good. Valve's competition in the space lit a fire under Microsoft, and we shouldn't let Valve run unopposed either. I mean, look how little innovation there was in Steam until EA and Ubisoft basically said, look, we're going to take our ball and we're going to go home. Well, Valve innovated. Would they have done it anyway? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not, though.

Starting point is 01:15:22 So this is exciting. Maybe not, though. So this is exciting. Prolific Microsoft leaker Walking Cat shared two videos on Twitter that were taken from a pitch for an internal Microsoft hackathon project showcasing a Windows handheld mode. The pitch acknowledges that the handheld PC market is growing thanks to a device called the Steam Deck. This is a direct quote. And shows prototype features that would make Windows easier to use on such devices, such optimizing the onboarding experience which right now is very kludgy cross-platform a cross-platform game launcher built right into windows are we going back to the games folder from vista

Starting point is 01:15:56 because i'm actually down i liked it it was kind of awesome it was good i complained very recently on a wan show about how it how it's kind of annoying right now about how everything is trying to be your games launcher. And I would actually just prefer one of them. And if Microsoft had stuck with it, one of the things that it did was it pushed game developers to move their save games to one place.

Starting point is 01:16:17 So instead of having it sometimes being in app data roaming and sometimes being in program files in the game folder and sometimes being in my games and the game folder and sometimes being in my games and sometimes just being in my documents. Like, man, game developers have never been able to decide where your saves go. So Microsoft, one of the good things they did with Vista and with the games folder was they consolidated it. It all went in one place. So when I had to reformat or whatever else else because cloud saves weren't as much of a thing it was one folder that i dragged and it was good to and it was good

Starting point is 01:16:50 to go right um now you got to deal with like is it in app data or is it saved somewhere else or is it cloud saved oh man cloud saves are both a blessing and a curse yeah i set my kids up to play it takes two um in the car at one point. And they were like, Hey, what happened to our game? I was like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:17:09 Oh yeah. It turns out it takes two. It just doesn't cloud save on steam. It's like just not supported. And then I saw this, I saw this really awful video on, I don't know if it was Tik TOK or something. Anyway,

Starting point is 01:17:19 someone was, someone was talking about how their animal crossing saved. They had like 500 hours in Animal Crossing, and their Switch got corrupted during an update, and it's gone. Even though they do pay Nintendo for their stupid hostage-taking cloud save feature. Nintendo was just like, oh yeah, you have to manually enable Animal Crossing saves because they're big. This is a paid service, Nintendo. It's paid. That's actually so brutal.

Starting point is 01:17:51 I had seen, like, people were upset about Animal Crossing saves, but I didn't know why. That's so brutal. This is something we've talked about. It's actually, like, almost unbelievable levels of brutal. Of just hating your customers. Yeah, like like what the oh man oh you you mentioned when talking about the mario movie you're like yep it's good clean

Starting point is 01:18:11 fun like nintendo it sucks that nintendo has to come with this incredibly ugly downside all the time yep it's like well it wouldn't be that hard to just be like the company that's just solid. To be a Super Mario bro. Are the games expensive? Do they never go on discount? Yeah, sure. But like, they're always good. You can back up your save to an SD card for no charge because the SD card slot is right there on the console.

Starting point is 01:18:36 And why wouldn't we let you do that? That kind of stuff, right? Like, it seems like it would make sense for the brand, but they just can't. They just have to be buttholes and it's like man Why I don't know I I do have to bring back. I don't know if you mentioned this sorry I've been I've been working on something But the this was a hackathon project right so like I wouldn't take this as a like They're working on it, But there's other cool ideas.

Starting point is 01:19:05 But. Like driver handling, touch keyboard, controller navigation of keyboard and common Windows elements like task view, controller support outside of Steam, and more. Like Luke says, this is no guarantee. But the Microsoft employees who made the presentation seem passionate about it, saying that Windows and Xbox app users deserve this and need this. They're so right. How have Windows and Xbox not merged more? Yeah. They're even doing a lot of the things right.

Starting point is 01:19:37 But not 100% of the way. And these hackathons are often positioned to be able to find projects like this. So it is very possible that this does get done. I just don't want people being like, oh, this is coming? Cool. Because it's not necessarily coming. There's no word on whether they've started any kind of development on the project. But as PC World points out, they'd be kind of dumb not to.

Starting point is 01:19:59 With the proliferation of these devices and with the gap that Valve's seems to have left in the market the ROG ally is Outstanding yeah the amount of time that I've spent with it now is much more than the last time I talked about it and Like I was just it's replaced a steam deck for you Yvonne And I were having one of our one of our home meetings because she can never talk to me at work because no one will let Her so she it's very hard to get a no one will let her uh so she it's very hard to get a meeting with you yeah so she it's actually like a battle every time so anyway she had a whole bunch of stuff in her inbox that was tagged discuss with linus and i was just chilling on the floor in the computer room playing vampire survivors on the rog Ally with it being completely dead silent in the power saving mode

Starting point is 01:20:46 because it's not a super demanding game. And I mean, it's obviously a pretty like brain turned off kind of game, just like essentially having a meeting. It runs so smooth, 120 Hertz. It's way more powerful than the Steam Deck. Way, way more powerful. And it's not going to be the only one is it cool

Starting point is 01:21:06 to have a computing device where you had a very significant performance jump that was noticeable yeah because i feel like that hasn't super been a thing for a while but i i recognized only just now but i've had this feeling the whole time you've been talking about it yeah that there's like a different level of excitement because this like super perceivable jump in performance is not so much of a thing no lately no it's not it's twice as fast yeah and that's like that's crazy and it is still a thing it is still a thing um and like if if an ssd was twice as fast right now it wouldn't matter most users are not going to notice but okay so that's exactly the thing there are still big upgrades the 4090 is an enormous upgrade over

Starting point is 01:21:50 the 3090 for 1600 us dollars yeah starting at starting at for a single component of your computer but here we're talking about i hope okay i hope we're talking about a device that is under or around a grand right and that's for the whole thing device yes yes it's a complete experience it's not an add-in board that you put in another thing yeah that also costs a lot of money right and also like needs its own level of heightened support because you need like a crazy power supply and exactly solid cooling and all this other kind of stuff exactly no i'm i'm i'm jazzed and don't imagine for a second that if asus is successful with the rog ally that you're not going to see other other pc manufacturers chime in because this is something i was trying to figure out it's like who the heck is aya neo who is one x player who is

Starting point is 01:22:45 you know uh gpd like who who are these guys um and i i know who they are like i you know have communicated with them i understand who they are actually very directly but my point was that they are not asus they're not major players they are not msi gigabyte and if these guys can get to market if the minimum order quantities and the relationship building with the amds or the intels of the world is so relatively easy absolutely nothing would prevent a manufacturer with the expertise of an asus msi gigabyte acer uh dell whoever nothing would prevent them from coming out with one okay do you think this is gonna be let's go it's a laptop but it doesn't fall sure do you think it's gonna be bad for the gpds inos etc of the world yeah that sucks hold on they still have an opportunity to maintain their niche gpd is the only one who really takes

Starting point is 01:23:48 the keyboard seriously okay so there's there's still room for them um aya neo they were doing some really cool things with aya space so their their skin slash launcher uh some really cool ideas uh their overlay really cool ideas there for being able to uh kind of like the steam deck right adjust your brightness and your volume and your power profile and whatever else while you're in game uh really cool ideas there i feel like compared to i don't't know, six, eight months ago, it's just kind of more bloated and buggy and hasn't really added anything useful for me. And so if they can really do a great job of that

Starting point is 01:24:36 and make that supplementary to anything that Microsoft builds into Windows, I think it could be really good. Like Aya and Neo at their best has had way better auto switching of joy to mouse and then switching into controller mode as you launch games and then go back to the Windows desktop. But then it got really bad around the time Windows 11 launched, which I would have to assume is something to do with Microsoft. Thank you very much.

Starting point is 01:25:02 But I don't know that for sure. Whereas Asus right now, it's pretty rough rough i basically just use a touch screen right like it sucks like they have a toggle for it but as far as i can tell it doesn't work and there's there's room for these companies there's absolutely room for these companies to have acquisitions happen you you even mentioned like there's all these major players in the space that could do it but there's like software advantages or whatever that these small companies have that's like exactly why those things happen yeah 100 but then if i'm i i don't think it would though like i'm thinking everything i know about msi and their product development oh i don't think msi would do it i think they would just they just

Starting point is 01:25:38 be like no we'll do it ourselves and it doesn't matter if it's crappy but like alienware okay uh would would dell no dell would build it themselves and it would be less crappy but then msi yeah dang what is it about hardware companies and just being utterly unable to do software it's actually like i don't find that there's a ton of companies that can do both it's actually kind of difficult to cross over yeah they're like why is apple you know the first to cross a trillion dollar valuation yeah because they can do both it's hard yeah intel software is like their consumer facing software is kind of janky. Do we want to talk about the Arc stuff?

Starting point is 01:26:29 Yeah, yeah. Like there's definitely software things that I'm pretty sure Intel does pretty well. Like my understanding is a lot of their like compiler stuff is very robust. A lot of their like hardcore behind the scenes type of stuff is pretty solid. A lot of their like hardcore behind the scenes type of stuff is pretty solid a lot of their user facing stuff

Starting point is 01:26:46 The UIs look like they're from the early 2000s Whatever you was even that's when they work art control or whatever was a hot pile of garbage. Yeah, I Don't know They feel extremely not modern on the user side or completely broken in regards to when you look at like a software company like Facebook Trying to do hard work. It's like oh Yeah Like it's it's actually pretty hard to cross. I mean they technically do hardware now, but they acquired oculus and what have they? realistically

Starting point is 01:27:19 launched as meta like developed and launched. Okay, so I Mean yeah, they've done headsets They still yeah, but they still had a lot of the oculus team when they developed You know rift s or when they developed quest one. Oh, I see so the pro is like the only yeah, yeah, and it's a Flop as far as I can tell that doesn't it's not a bad device, but it's not commercially viable.

Starting point is 01:27:48 Someone's saying their driver support is normally amazing. Yeah, like the behind-the-scenes stuff from Intel is traditionally quite good. Yeah. I will 100% give them that. It's more the user-facing stuff. Anyways, new topic? Just like our sponsors, Face Our Users. Thanks to Mint Mobile for sponsoring today's show.

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Starting point is 01:30:57 to to spray a coat of black paint on your boring gray power supply put a little bit of sleeving on the cable and make a box you know because as far as i can tell that's what everyone's remaining yeah that's what everyone else is doing apparently see sonic had the same idea okay i guess we'll do that really doesn't seem that hard why are we letting corsair have all the time which i'm happy about because something that i legitimately used to do was look into who made the power supply I was buying to figure out what the, like, basically cheapest, actually Seasonic option was at the time.

Starting point is 01:31:33 Yeah. And then just buy that. So now it's just more simple. Yeah, like when XFX broke into the power supply market, their whole claim to fame was, unlike Corsair, who has moved on and is using other OEMs now all of ours are see something okay actually a selling point for a bunch of people I would totally do an LTT power supply just made by see Sonic I'd be super I'd

Starting point is 01:31:55 be super into that and I wouldn't even hide it I'd be like yeah it costs more so that we get our cut it's see Sonic it's now like partially orange or something yeah exactly no no because it would have to be RGB so it matches So that we get our cut. It's Seasonic. It's now like partially orange or something. Yeah, exactly. No, no, because it would have to be RGB so it matches everyone's system. It's just that the RGB would be configured out of the box orange. By default. Yeah, there we go.

Starting point is 01:32:14 Yeah, there. That's what makes it LTT. Boom. Done. Easy. But then at that point, why don't we just sell Seasonic power supplies on LTTstore.com? Hey, there's a plan. I'd be down to good three merch messages is apparently the current task all right hit us with some merch messages but damn

Starting point is 01:32:33 all right this one is a little bit anonymous obviously and is probably directed towards luke uh is ai generated adult content a more ethical solution than current adult industry and only fans? Wow. Wow. What a quagmire. Wow. All right.

Starting point is 01:32:50 Well, I'm glad you said this was, um, pun intended, by the way. I'm glad you said this was directed at Luke. Just going to dodge that bullet. Um, oh, wow. Let's let the internet freak out at you for a change. Let me reread this. oh wow let's let the internet freak out at you for a change let me re-read this more ethical solution than current adult industry there's a lot to unpack only fans there is a ton to unpack here i think it would be less ethical in a bunch of ways potentially more ethical in

Starting point is 01:33:18 other ways i think it's super convoluted um there are definitely only fans things wow this entirely depends on how you define your ethics there i have seen a lot of people comment about how only fans has enabled certain creators to be much more safe in what they do to have more ownership over their own stuff they don't have to work through other companies anymore they don't have to necessarily work with other people at all anymore they can just operate on their own regard so i've heard good things about that does ai solve that no so i don't know um also there's a topic we're going to be talking about later, more specifically in the realm of music. But AI has been, AI models, whatever, has been used to like deepfake people that gave no consent and were clearly not okay with it at all. So that's clearly ethically bad.

Starting point is 01:34:21 I don't care where your ethics lie. That's just clearly not okay. Clearly ethically bad. I don't care where your ethics lie. That's just clearly not okay. And these AI models are trained off of image data sets that include real people. Are they capable of generating stuff completely originally? Well, they're going to base it off of things that they learned from people, but it could look genuinely, literally nothing like anyone else that currently exists.

Starting point is 01:34:44 So that's cool i guess my understanding not that i speak from personal experience but my understanding is that the pornography industry is extremely predisposed towards exploitive practices yeah i've heard a lot of very bad things which kind of checks out But I've also heard that there's good things. But you might be against the entire thing. So, I don't know. I mean, at the end of the day, there's a fine line between, you know, understanding that people have agency and can make their own decisions.

Starting point is 01:35:24 Yes. that people have agency and can make their own decisions. Yes. While also protecting people who would make extremely self-harmful decisions that would allow them to be exploited by ne'er-do-wells. Also, bad people saying that certain person involved with something has their own agency and is free when that person isn't is totally a thing that happens.

Starting point is 01:35:44 That's totally bad. Yep. This is a minefield let's move on next question really because i was going to throw another curveball at you i was going to say even if the ai generated um even if the ai generated content sure only accidentally looked like someone and wasn't intentionally trained on an individual that's still a problem how do you how could you even prevent that but then there's also people that look like other people yeah that label their stuff as that other person right and that's totally a thing yep okay this is a minefield all right let's move on okay up next uh hey dll as calibration tech uh as a calibration tech i often see settings hidden behind proprietary information do you feel this is okay or should it fall under right to repair and will the lab's equipment be calibrated well okay

Starting point is 01:36:44 for starters the lab's equipment must be calibrated because otherwise how could we trust any of the results that come out of it? For another, equipment calibration is a tough one because on the one hand, yes, everything is right to repair. I saw another merch message about, for example, even just like hidden menus in TVs and stuff like that, that isn't to do with calibration, but it's just to access settings that are not considered safe. For example, my LG TV that I was using as a monitor, there was a special service remote you could get to access a special

Starting point is 01:37:20 menu that would allow you to turn off some of the OLED saver technology so that it would function better as a monitor. Obviously, I think I should be allowed to use my hardware however I want to use it. But on the other hand, well, who is responsible then? Who is verifying the integrity of this calibration? Unless there's some kind of validation or certification process, is it calibrated? I could see a compromise being that everyone should have access to the menu. So wait, are you talking about labs equipment at that point? Okay.

Starting point is 01:37:58 Okay. Yeah. You're not talking about the TV anymore. No. No, I could see a compromise being that they allow you to have access to all the same menus and and and io uh io ports or whatever else it is um i think that they should provide the equipment and the training if you want to do it yourself but i think that it could make sense for them to have a program where they're the ones who do it and they have

Starting point is 01:38:25 their own sort of certification that they will apply to it yeah there could be a log that you can't modify or delete that notes changes made to certain calibration settings um and whether that change was made by like an improved agent or not because yeah like you should absolutely be able to change it yourself but that doesn't mean it's like verified calibration by whatever authority. But that might be fine. You might not care about that. You should still be able to do it, in my opinion.

Starting point is 01:38:57 Do you want another one? Yep. All right, here's our third. This one is another anonymous. Hey, oh no, somebody reordered them i think many people are shocked by ltt store prices because they're unfamiliar with the higher end of the markets you compete in have you ever been shocked uh by prices in unfamiliar markets before oh sure yep i mean i made a whole video about what the heck is going on with cinema camera prices.

Starting point is 01:39:28 And the craziest part is Red was a disruptor. Yeah. Get your mind around that. Red came in and undercut the cinema market the cinema camera market they they democratized the the creation of of of high resolution like filmic resolution digital cinema we talked earlier on this show about an msrp 35 000 graphics card right yeah that was probably shocking for a bunch of people watching yeah i mean it's um i remember talking about this on the wan show at some point i think i talked about this on the wan show i remember being called very out of touch for saying something along the

Starting point is 01:40:16 lines of uh consumer computer hardware is not expensive oh yeah because from a business standpoint it's not a gpu in the when when you you gotta everything is relative right a gpu okay costs nothing to an organization like us in the grand scheme of things think about how many people work to employee salary we're we're up to about benefits for for for someone to be in the building for a pay period okay it's like gpu right and then okay well that times uh 26 times a year. Like it still matters. Yeah, like every headcount we add is like equipping a quarter of our staff with an RTX 4090.

Starting point is 01:41:14 Think about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? So consumer electronics, what I meant was for what they are, it's amazing how little they cost. When we look at what we got for $1,000 back in 1995, the fact that you can buy a 4070 Ti for $1,000 is mind-blowing. The technological advancements.

Starting point is 01:41:46 I think the most easy-to-visualize version of that was when you talk about storage. People do this all the time, so this is not original at all. But you look at old hard drives. This is how many hard drives it would have taken in 1998 to amass a terabyte worth of data. And's like a one terabyte micro sd card here you go it's like whoa it's wild yeah people are talking about this now it's like uh ds 2600 and floatplane chat says i just bought a cisco router for 1.2 million for my company is that outrageous

Starting point is 01:42:20 not if your company is going to generate six million dollars of revenue with it because that's the thing it's a completely different calculus it's not how much enjoyment will i get from this router or from this add-in card it's how much revenue will this generate for the company if i spend this thousand dollars that i am that i'm blessed enough to have to reinvest will i get eleven hundred dollars or fifteen hundred dollars or three thousand dollars assuming that i make very efficient use of it so i forget how we started this question uh what was the question oh yeah the the pricing of so have we ever yeah yeah so in when it comes to to to business expenses i don't think a quarter goes by where i'm not blown away by the cost of something because once you reach a certain scale things that cost a thousand dollars become a rounding error like i remember we got a bill for some kind of stock photo service that

Starting point is 01:43:21 we were using but we didn't have the right tier of subscription for like how much of it we were using and we didn't realize and they sent us like a thirty thousand dollar bill and i was like uh what this happens with uh web service stuff like all the time oh yeah for sure yeah yeah so yeah it happens all the time and i mean my response to people saying that ltt store stuff is really expensive is um okay well uh you you go make it to that level of quality at that price our t-shirts are still 20 bucks go find now go find me another content creator that does printed quality shirts no fruit of the loom no gildan no crap shirts printed quality shirts with good

Starting point is 01:44:14 printing 20 bucks screen printed not direct to garment it costs fucking money sorry not sorry like we we don't we don't take ridiculous margin on stuff um that's just the way it is we're doing one more are we doing topics let's do one more actually yeah let's do one more we're ahead of time yeah just a little bit i uh i got my times wrong all right next up's from jacob linus who is a source of personal or professional inspiration for you not a role model just someone with certain traits you admire and try to emulate strange as it may seem you're on my list well i'm very flattered thank you um bad choice just kidding you're gonna do the like rubbing thing no i refuse oh man my thing um is that I don't have a lot of time. I follow very few things. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:36 So I'm at risk right now of saying a name only to find out that. This is a huge problem. Yeah. I was at a Michael Bublé concert a little while back. Yeah. And he does a whole tribute to Elvis Presley and what a great person he was. And I was like,

Starting point is 01:45:53 no, that doesn't sound right. Is that true? Yeah. Oh. Oh. I have no idea. I believe you. From everything I can glean all these years later, you know, with the wonderful world of Wikipedia and, you know, memoirs and knowing that he's, you know, deceased and not able to defend himself these days.

Starting point is 01:46:20 Real creep. Oh, boy. Okay. Music innovator, certainly. Sure. I thought he, like, stole that, too. Real creep. I, boy. Okay. Music innovator, certainly. Sure. I thought he, like, stole that, too. Real creep. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:46:29 I don't know. I know nothing about it. Yeah. You know, there's the whole, like, 14-year-old girlfriend. Oh, boy. Sort of super cool stuff like that. And I don't think you can really just different time hand wave that away. So I'm kind of at risk right now.

Starting point is 01:46:46 But what I would like to say is maybe what I could do is I could point to a couple of role models that seem pretty okay from what I've seen. The Sedin brothers who played for the Vancouver Canucks. Not a huge organized sports fan these days, just because it's... And again, this might just be my cynicism showing through, but I just can't help but look at it as yet another business full of brands owned by billionaires

Starting point is 01:47:18 who don't even treat this as their main project in a lot of cases. It's just like a silly little side vanity project for them. Like it's just, it all just kind of sucks. The way the players are treated like cattle, well-paid cattle, well-compensated cattle in a lot of cases, sometimes not, but cattle. The whole thing just makes me really uncomfortable, but the Sidian brothers seem to be actually pretty cool.

Starting point is 01:47:45 Yeah. Oh, Aborno says, you've mentioned Bill Watterson before. 100%. For all I know, he kills cats. I don't know him personally, right? Like, I don't know him. They say never meet your heroes.

Starting point is 01:47:58 I'm pretty sure. There's also a difference. Like, I don't know. For me, people in this position, it doesn't mean I fanboy over them I'd fanboy over Bill Barrison yeah they got me they got me on that one he seems pretty cool fanboys a pretty intense term I if you take it to

Starting point is 01:48:18 like its potential my hands would be shaking okay like I but like I play it cool but like I would have to be consciously like studied this person's life no their works maybe but their life like i know enough about his personal life to know that he maintains a pretty quiet yeah but that's like somewhere blasted everywhere if you ever look up his name yeah but i've looked up his name so i you know i've gone that far yeah i don't know. I think people could take this stuff pretty far, but maybe I'm applying too much to it.

Starting point is 01:48:48 Yeah, people are suggesting some pretty decent... People have got some pretty decent suggestions. You know, Mr. Rogers actually seems to have legitimately just been a good, decent human being. Yeah, yeah. Good luck meeting Bill Watterson. yeah yeah good luck meeting Bill Watterson he's like the phantom yeah yeah 100%

Starting point is 01:49:11 I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even do a book tour for his upcoming graphic novel which I have pre-ordered even though I always say don't pre-order alright two to three more topics yeah all right hit me i don't even know if we have three more topics oh okay the rtx 4070 was released and can i say i think we finally managed to nail a gpu review

Starting point is 01:49:43 I think we finally managed to nail a GPU review. Yeah, I think you can. We, yeah, we managed to get all the synergies lined up between the lab and the rating team. They've got a lot of their data collection nailed down better. We've got a lot of our processes in terms of ingesting that data and turning it into the important beats that matter in video form rather than just

Starting point is 01:50:11 being a written article that we read out to the camera so I think we managed to maintain the LTT soul while also authoritatively speaking, based on rock solid data about what you need to know about this product. I think we did a great job of figuring out where the RTX 4070 fits in both NVIDIA's plan, as well as in sort of gamers worlds. I'm really really really happy the next level for us is to have supplementary written articles on lttlabs.com but that's we've got it in our sites it doesn't need to happen yet um i think there's i think there's room for us to go in more depth in the right medium for that kind of additional depth. But that is what I want a GPU review video to be.

Starting point is 01:51:10 What you need to know with good energy in a non-confusing way. And I'm really glad that we did manage to nail it on the RTX 4070 because there was a ton of room for us to get this one wrong. I think that we did a better job than we've done in the past of presenting both sides of the story. I think that during the GPU pricing crisis that took place during the pandemic, we, we were kind of, I don't know, realists about the situation.

Starting point is 01:51:46 Like, yeah. Um, the only answer is wait. And like, sorry, but people didn't like me saying, look, there's nothing I can do about this.

Starting point is 01:51:55 This is the way that it is. And in the context of the market as it is right now, this is a good deal. Or, you know, like I, like I could, I could sit and complain about this,

Starting point is 01:52:04 but it's not going to do anything people didn't like sort of that defeatist sort of attitude um but then we also can't just whine yeah that's not constructive it does absolutely nothing other than be fatiguing i understand for everyone who's near it but it's just yeah there's there is genuinely nothing we can really do so i feel like what we did better better with the RTX 4070 is we empathize better. Um, there was, there was one video in particular, I can't remember which one it was where we just, we did a, we did kind of a post-mortem on it and we went, okay, well, what did we get wrong here? Because we didn't say anything that was actually incorrect, but people didn't want to hear it.

Starting point is 01:52:42 And I'm reminded of that bit in rick and morty where rick says something i don't remember what it is um and morty basically says you know yeah no one cares if you're right because you're an a**hole right um and so we kind of looked at we went yeah this was this was a little bit so it was a little too abrasive like we've gotta we've gotta take a more empathizing tone where we're delivering the bad news the 4070 the bad news is that this is a super tepid gpu yeah um but we're finding a way to tell the good parts of the story and that in that it is the best value we've seen in a long time so if you must have a g today kind of lame as that is you're good to go or you could pick up a 6800 just saying so if you must have a GPU

Starting point is 01:53:34 today I guess it's it's you know the best deal from Nvidia and in quite some time but we're tempering that with the reality that NVIDIA shapes the GPU market and can make something a good deal or a bad deal. Anyway, there's a blah, blah, blah launched this week to deeply mixed reception. NVIDIA has been advertising it as a major jump. But I mean, that's only in games that support DLSS 3 frame generation. I mean, I'm calling it, I mean, that's only in games that support DLSS 3 frame generation. I mean, I'm calling it, I guess. I don't think that's ever going to take off in the competitive scene.

Starting point is 01:54:13 I just don't think it's realistic. More latency, more bad. Especially if you're going to spend half of your time talking out of this side of your mouth, marketing, you know, NVIDIA Reflex. You can't spend the other half of your time talking out of this side of your mouth with, you know, DLSS 3 beautification. As long as you're talking to two very different gamers, then I guess it's okay.

Starting point is 01:54:34 But for competition, DLSS 3 is never going to matter. For experiential games, it might get pretty okay. Yeah, because without frame generation, it's closer to a 1.3x performance increase the new graphics card is also a hundred dollars more expensive than the previous gen card was at launch despite the fact that discrete graphic sales have been dropping for over a year and hit a 20 year low last financial quarter um discussion question here is what the do the shrinking differences between graphics card generations mean for the future of the market?

Starting point is 01:55:07 I mean, longer upgrade cycles. Yeah. Longer upgrade cycles. And I think, um, a shift from game developers towards targeting a lower spec, right? Like we're not, I don't think we're ever going to see a crisis again. See our YSIS. I don't think we're ever going to see, i don't think we're going to ever have that moment again where a game developer goes out of their way to create a game that literally nothing on the market can run because why would you do that you'd be so much better

Starting point is 01:55:35 off targeting the steam deck yeah you can create a pretty visually stunning game that will run on the steam deck and has this built-in audience of people sitting there on their handhelds going what am i going to play on this thing now let's go it's it's it's it's the console mentality it's it's totally different right i also just i i think that's been kind of the idea for quite a while to be honest like a long time yeah i mean look at the super popular games right now the word we have for it is eSports titles. Yeah. Targeting eSports tier. So basically making sure that it can run on anything and then adding some bells and whistles that realistically nobody's going to turn on anyway

Starting point is 01:56:13 because they want to compete. Yeah. And it's all like Fortnite and stuff. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Not difficult at all to run. There was a friend of mine who was shopping for a laptop recently and they were asking

Starting point is 01:56:27 about like specs of dedicated GPUs. And they mentioned like, these are the games that I play. I'm like, yeah, you don't need a dedicated GPU. Then don't upgrade. Well, they do need a laptop, but they don't need a dedicated GPU in their laptop. Right. Because they don't have a laptop right now. They need a laptop in general.

Starting point is 01:56:42 Right. But like the games that they play are little indie titles. Yeah, speaking of Vampire Survivors, I'm pretty sure I could run that on onboard graphics. Yeah, so whatever. It's that type of stuff. And then original, whatever it was, 1999 EverQuest. I'm like, yeah, that'll run fine.

Starting point is 01:56:58 Like, whatever. People are talking about Cyberpunk, some of the Sony ports. The difference is that Cry crisis wasn't just poorly optimized get owned it was also a leap forward visually the likes of which we saw at times like half-life 2 wasn't such a visual leap it was more of just like uh it was it was a gameplay leap for sure um doom from that era was what was, Doom 3 or whatever the one at that time was, was visually really cool when you had your flashlight on. I'm trying to think, what was really mind-blowing?

Starting point is 01:57:41 I mean, Far Cry blew my mind. It was the first next-gen shooter of the big three at the time, which was your Half-Life 2, your Doom 3, and your Far Cry. And no one saw it coming. It came out of nowhere. That's Crytek again. I am not that familiar with stuff that came before, though, because I wasn't really a PC gamer other than just like 2D casual games until, you know,

Starting point is 01:58:06 ATI is 99, 9,000 series, the old 9,000 series. When I got a discreet GPU, like I didn't, I played some stuff, but I wasn't purchasing hardware. So it was just like whatever the computers that my dad had could run.

Starting point is 01:58:21 Um, yes. Back then it was like descent and like old school, like Civ one and stuff like that you know what cyberpunk has that ray tracing overdrive mode that i guess i guess is that but i almost i don't know maybe i'm maybe i'm looking at this wrong but i don't really see that as part of the base game the same way that just like a graphic slider at release was like where you're where it came out targeting hardware that didn't

Starting point is 01:58:45 exist that's why i said that that's new yeah like it's it doesn't seem fair they're more trying to keep up um but that's not a bad that's not a bad thing they're doing it yeah i was also going to mention that everyone that i currently know that plays cyberpunk are people that also play like star citizen and whatever else and you can tell like the reason why they like playing games is so they can make that gpu burn um and they they want like super hyper visual realism and like all this other type of stuff not necessarily because they're actually like enjoying the game right so they're basically a me or a jake yeah they like setting things up and like seeing them run like morphologists weologist. We played Star Citizen with him.

Starting point is 01:59:26 He posted some screenshot, but like, wow, Cyberpunk's amazing because he turned on the new ray tracing thing. And I was like, yep. Yep. Not surprised. That makes sense. Yeah. New topic? Oh, yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:59:39 New topic. This is great. Universal Music Group. Saw this on Ars Technica. Demands that platforms block AI scraping of music. So they have apparently told streaming platforms like Apple Music and Spotify to block AI services from scraping melodies and lyrics from songs that it holds the copyright to bro that's insanely like impossibly hard to do also just utterly well I'm looking for a word in effect like what what's the strongest possible word for ineffective

Starting point is 02:00:26 futile let's go with futile do you imagine okay that they're that that just because spotify and apple music block this that there is no other way to train these music generation AIs on your songs? If you can play a song, there's no way to capture that sound. It's actually impossible. You definitely cannot capture the sound of something that you play through your device. No, I mean, we'd have to invent like a diaphragm that kind of senses like sonic air vibrations. That sounds far too complicated. I mean, how could you possibly turn that vibration into a signal, though?

Starting point is 02:01:18 Especially when it's streaming. It's technically being downloaded to your computer in a raw data state. How could you get that? Look. To produce. Look, I mean. Waves.

Starting point is 02:01:29 No, that's impossible. That's just messed up. But back to the, hold on. I think I've got an idea. Back to the idea of the vibrating diaphragm. Maybe if you had magnets involved somehow, but then. How are you going to manufacture things this precise? You'd need some kind of conductive material, though, that could carry whatever signals back to some kind of recording device so we're back to

Starting point is 02:01:49 your problem we would need a recording device you might need an interface in between there as well to like properly wear out yeah it would it would wear out because you'd have to have electrons flowing through it that's that's a problem and it would it would constantly fail like electrons are basically like they're like energy i don't know if physics will ever be able because they're through it that's that's a problem and it would it would constantly fail like electrons are basically like they're like energy i don't know if physics will ever be able because they're they're mass and they have a charge they're like both sides of e equals mc squared right they're mass and energy yeah you can't balance that equation anyways so they've been sending out a large number of takedown notices against AI-generated songs that come from AIs trained on copyrighted materials.

Starting point is 02:02:32 According to a Universal Music spokesperson, we have a moral and commercial responsibility to our artists to work to prevent the unauthorized use of their music and to stop platforms from ingesting content that violates the right of artists and other creators. We expect our platform partners will want to prevent their services from being used in ways that harm artists. Noble goal. It's just doesn't matter. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 02:02:54 It's like the six month pause thing. It's like, yeah, I understand why you would want this. I understand why universal media group would, would universal music groups. Sorry. I applied our own naming scheme to them.

Starting point is 02:03:06 I understand why they would want to do this it's just completely irrelevant and futile like you mentioned it just doesn't matter is the discussion question is is universal music correct in demanding this can they even stop it correct like yeah probably sure yeah yeah like from a legal standpoint yeah for sure they need to try to defend against these things like if i was writing uh if i was writing a video platform code okay and i was just like hmm well why don't i just steal youtube and twitch and netflix's like source code use it to train an ai and then have an ai write a video platform for me i want to start a new streaming platform. Even if it's legal, it's pretty unethical.

Starting point is 02:03:48 Yeah. Twitch recently had this huge leak. I'll just take all their stuff. Oh, well, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. So even if it was legal and you couldn't prove it, it's extremely unethical. I mean, otherwise, why would we have intellectual property rights at all? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:04:03 But can they do anything to stop music from being listened to imagine being a universal music group and that being your goal good luck yeah quite the pivot um oh speaking of video streaming platforms, we should talk about this. It's a little awkward. Got the, uh, yeah, yeah. Talk about this. I've got, uh, a float plane C suite at the table with me and, uh, Ooh, he's giving me

Starting point is 02:04:38 the look. Okay. I think I'll focus on you guys right now. Please explain the way that we are leaning okay the way that we're leaning we have a way we're leaning that's a that's a way of saying what's happening someone dropped their phone oh yeah i'm assuming that's the writers are having their quarterly uh hangout sesh above us they apparently decided not to go out this time because it's a fixed budget. So they decided not to go out anywhere. And rather than ordering restaurant food, they all went to the

Starting point is 02:05:10 grocery store so that they would have way more like snackies and drinks. And they're hanging out at the office where there's no cost. It's like, yeah, I got to respect it. Give a bunch of engineers a task. Let's be efficient. Yeah. So anywho, the way that we're leaning, hard leaning, strong leaning, is that exclusive content will come to YouTube memberships. Flowplane exclusive content. That's what we've called it up until now. Yes, FPX. Now. come to youtube memberships flow plane exclusive content that's what we've called it up until now yes fpx now i still like my pitch for how to do the naming with this but yeah oh naming yeah you

Starting point is 02:05:52 didn't see that bit oh no i i was saying i mean i don't want to explain more before i do this but i was saying we should still call it flow plane exclusives and then on youtube they should be like uh uh oh what's the proper naming for that these days member no um oh like that's what it's called like illicit market exclusives like like like dark web like black market like i don't think that's the i don't i genuinely think that term is like not a thing anymore oh that makes sense but i don't, I genuinely think that term is like not a thing anymore. Oh, that makes sense. But I don't know what replaced it. Genuinely. I don't know, but I think the term isn't a thing anymore, but like that, whatever the new term is. Sure. Yeah. I think that would be bootleg. I don't know. Anyway, whatever. So the reasoning for it is that it's been clear to us for a long time that there's a certain subset of users that are simply not willing to engage off platform.

Starting point is 02:06:48 Take, for example, oh, of course, it's not there in the tab anymore. But I saw someone send a super chat earlier. Okay, they did. It was there. Trust me, bro. And they must know by this point that we don't respond to them but just their chosen way of engaging with us is through the youtube platform it's very low friction realistically they've already given google their credit card number they don't have to sign up for a third

Starting point is 02:07:16 party service etc etc etc and so for us to not especially since we have memberships activated on our channel for us to not be engaging with those people is a really bad business decision. With that said, there are certain benefits that we're simply not going to be able to provide on the YouTube platform, and there are costs that are higher on the YouTube platform than they are on the floatplane platform where our costs are fixed in a sense, as opposed to scaling directly with our revenue. So the way that we are leaning, the way that I think it's going to work going forward is YouTube members will get all the same content, all the same exclusive and behind the scenes and extra cutting room floor content that float plane members get

Starting point is 02:08:07 But there will be a surcharge to compensate for the YouTube cut since it's like not our platform and there's really nothing in it for us to just take less for some reason because you Want to give your credit card to Google and not to us or whatever? So there will be a surcharge and and there won't be a $5 tier. So the $10 4K tier on Floatplane that gets you access to everything is $10 and is $100 if you buy it for the year. And on YouTube, it'll be $12. And it also won't include the WAN pre-show VOD.

Starting point is 02:08:44 So Floatplane gets our sort of test streaming before the show. That does not go anywhere else. That will still not go to YouTube because there would be no way for us to control if it went to members only or if it went to everyone once we make the video either public or members only. It would just be the entire video. It doesn't include any quality improvements. People on Floatplane often talk about, particularly the audio on WAN Show, how much better it is on Floatplane compared to on YouTube. There's no way for us to do that. YouTube is as YouTube does. And right, there's no way for us, as far as I can tell, if we can figure out a way to do a yearly

Starting point is 02:09:20 discount, we will. But as far as I can tell, there's no way to do a yearly discount we will but as far as i can tell there's no way to do a yearly discount so the point really is going to be to funnel people over to floatplane where it's better but this way at least there's a way for people to engage on youtube to you is just like you're just like no i'm just i only use youtube or whatever then you have an option to get our content yeah a lot of people are like that. And I get it. It's like people who shop on Amazon because it's just, they have prime and it's convenient and they only have to go one place. Like, man, ever since I, remember I told you that, you know, one of my resolutions was I'm not going to stop shopping on Amazon outright like you, know one of my resolutions was i'm not going to stop shopping on amazon outright like you but it's like it's admirable but my whole thing now is i do a google search first and i click on

Starting point is 02:10:10 at least two websites and if it's close to the same price like i'll pay up to like five ten bucks more if it's close to the same price i buy it somewhere else um but not if if amazon's position in the world is anything to go by which it is most people won't do that one of the frustrating things for me is when there is literally no other option when it's like a company they they like make the best this is not super common but it happens they make like the best thing in their space and it's priced decently well and all that kind of stuff like it's clearly the best option for this widget that you need to buy for whatever reason but that company only operates through amazon it's like that that sucks um uh okay sorry float plane chat i haven't been meaning to ignore you uh rod asks do you have a lot of memberships on youtube understand if you

Starting point is 02:11:04 can't answer we actually have about 600 youtube memberships on YouTube? Understand if you can't answer. We actually have about 600 YouTube members, and the only benefit that we've really offered to them, other than thanks for supporting the channel, so shout out. Thank you so much, guys, is merch discounts that I actually talked to Nick about recently. I just don't think are very good.

Starting point is 02:11:20 So we're gonna work on what we can do for We should make sure that... Parity, yes. Yes. For both floatplane $10 tier and YouTube members, which are going to be the equivalent tiers. Yeah, because YouTube members won't have a reduced cost tier. No.

Starting point is 02:11:37 They won't have like a $5 tier or anything like that. Or the OG $3 tier, nothing like that. So one of the things that we're going to do is make sure that if we do some kind of discount program then that will actually make sense um or whether it's you know exclusive merch or or whatever else the case may be the thing with exclusive merch guys is it's like a lot of work to make something good if all we were doing was just putting a logo on a mug or whatever then yeah sure fine we'll do an exclusive one with full play logo but as it is when we put a ton of work into it it's kind of painful to not do a broad release of something

Starting point is 02:12:16 like i'd love to do a float plane exclusive like like super cool like like bomber jacket you know or whatever like oh we are not doing that because we'd lose so much money. It would make no sense. Yep. Um, okay. Let me just see if there's any other, if there's any other stuff here. Um, does Apple pay break merch messages? Someone says mine didn't go through. It's possible. We just haven't gotten to it yet. Poor Dan is his fingers are on fire trying to reply to them. We actually need to talk about merch messages too, guys. Merch messages are part of the reason that the show has been drawn out to untenable lengths. It's not that we don't want to talk to you guys. It's just that we feel kind of obligated, especially when you give us such great discussion topics or you ask us,

Starting point is 02:13:02 you know, really cool and important questions we feel really obligated to address them and and not just hey cool merch message but like address them in a in a meaningful manner um but there's a lot of cases where luke and i can't address every good merch message anymore it's just gotten unmanageable and dan often doesn't know the question so we've been talking internally about what a workflow would look like where Dan has an additional stream that he can send things through. So right now, he can just push it out to the lower third. So it's like, hi, mom, or whatever else. It just goes.

Starting point is 02:13:36 Or yeah, Joshua H. didn't leave a message. So it's just like Joshua H. bought an RGB diode T-shirt. Cool. For $20. Then the next one is Dan can reply via text. So you'll see, you know, someone's question, kind of like that. And then there'll be a follow-up one

Starting point is 02:13:53 that has an answer of some sort. Let's see what Dan said. Can't wait for LTX. Driving up from Oregon State University. Do you plan on discontinuing? The goal is to create as many skills as possible. That's not accurate, Dan. I don't think i said that

Starting point is 02:14:05 oh well who replied to that i don't know was it you it wasn't me no it could be someone else in the dashboard um as not as in like an intruder but it could be somebody else because i've been doing something a little bit different this week is i've been leaving a lot of them for you guys to maybe respond to via text uh because, I haven't been able to give like a reasonable response to a lot of them. So who wrote sunglasses for things confiscated by TSA? I didn't respond to that one. I didn't.

Starting point is 02:14:36 Somebody else is in here responding to these. Who's going? Who is replying to merch messages right now? It's probably Conrad. I would assume so. Because I have 85 in the queue right now, and I've been going through and removing the ones that are kind of maybe not question related, but a lot of these I think you guys could respond to via text. So the second path

Starting point is 02:14:56 is a text response, kind of like what we're showing you, and the third path is that it goes into a queue for me and Luke to discuss. What I think we should do is create a fourth path that will essentially create a customer support ticket and we will get back to people next week. I mean, we already have a customer support team that's like half a dozen people at this point. They're not always crazy busy. So is there any reason why if your message is something like, you know, hey, when are you guys going to do a floatplane exclusive t-shirt or whatever? There's no real reason for that to not go to the customer support team where they can do something meaningful with it, like compile the most common requests for new items or whatever else, and then relay that to the appropriate people here in the organization. Because even for me, I can't answer every question that you guys ask. Are there plans for an ltd wrist rest

Starting point is 02:15:45 i'm using the indoor hoodie wait as a wrist rest um that's interesting okay uh okay so that that is an answer that is correct we do not have plans for a wrist rest but i don't know who's replying and i don't know how they know that or if they know that for sure. The spaghetti made of meat was me from the previous one. Interesting. I saw one about what's the weirdest thing you had confiscated by TSA. I remember leaving that one, yeah. My little tiny, my little tiny Canifa. Hold on.

Starting point is 02:16:19 It was Conrad. He's very good natured. He can see that there is a massive queue and is just trying to help. I see. Okay, if Conrad is 100% confident and— I've already messaged that, too. Okay, please sign it so that we're not sitting here going, mystery, who is replying to merch messages?

Starting point is 02:16:37 Do you like a dash with your initials? Ones that aren't initialed are Dan, and then everything else, like when I respond to them I do ll at the end yeah I I put my initials I had one of these confiscated actually not that long ago that like makes sense but it's unfortunate yeah it's like no more dangerous than a sharp like car key yeah realistically yeah like you you could you could knives are scary oh yeah like you could hurt someone very badly with this knife. But that's also, like, clearly a tool.

Starting point is 02:17:10 But that's also true of, like, a sharpened car key. Or a massive variety of other things. Yeah. Yeah. So I was pretty bummed, because it's a Spyderco. It's, like, it's not a lot of metal, but it's, for how small it is, it's not that cheap. And I'm really dumb, because the last time I lost it, I actually had Vance order me a new one because I was just like, oh, I mean,

Starting point is 02:17:31 this seems like the kind of thing that an assistant might do. I lost my knife. Can you please get me a new one? And I gave him the wrong model name. So I bought two knives. I bought a ladybug and a bug. Derp. Oh, man. I don't blame Vance at all I didn't show him the one I lost I just asked for a ladybug and I don't have a ladybug I

Starting point is 02:17:55 have a bug cool does anyone does anyone object to that whole turning on YouTube memberships thing because i was watching floatplane chat i think for the most part like people get it the the the one thing that did came up come up uh was just basically making sure there was at a very minimum parity so like youtube shouldn't get something that floatplane will be better yeah it's not going to be trade offs we're going to be very upfront that Floatplane is better. And if you want the best possible engagement with Linus Media Group and everything that we do, that's on Floatplane.

Starting point is 02:18:31 Because there's certain things that we're just not going to be able to curate on YouTube. Like the community on Floatplane is just super cool. I really love it. Yeah. Oh, they want a poll. That makes sense. Yeah, we should just... The polls have been acting a little weird, but I will throw one up'll see how it goes we'll give it a shot all right guys but overall

Starting point is 02:18:47 it seems like the perception is is pretty good you think are you cool with the youtube thing is fair enough oh people are asking what about shorts so we are we are looking at um i actually talked to the social team about this recently what we're trying to do is use text and picture posts to put, I don't think we're going to do this until we've got the channels thing fully launched, not beta anymore. But once we do, I think we're going to add a social channel and maybe a shorts channel. And then you can subscribe to those ones for notifications if you want.

Starting point is 02:19:24 But otherwise, we're going to turn off off can we turn off notifications by default so uh for the i don't know if we can do it for specific levels but probably not for specific levels just for specific channels no that's okay so that's what i meant oh i see um okay well people can always turn off the notifications that's going to be a lot it will be too much yeah like if every stupid so this is why we haven't done it yet is basically on the beta site for floatplane right now there's this new sub channels feature so there's like linus media group which still needs to be renamed so it's just linus fictives right now and then all of the youtube channels we want to add a section for wan we want to add a section for shorts all these other types of things but if we start adding in all of the shorts and social posts, your phone is just never going to stop. There

Starting point is 02:20:09 are multiple people at the company that it is their whole job to effectively make it so that in this scenario, your phone would never stop. Yeah, that's true. So like, we don't actually necessarily want that to happen unless you're just like, yeah, give me everything. So that'll be an option. Yeah. But we need to not do that you need to be able to turn off notifications for channels that you might not be interested in maybe you're just interested in like uh mac address and tech news well you should be able to just turn those on and turn everything else off or maybe you're interested in the opposite of that then you should be able to turn those ones off and everything else on, et cetera, et cetera. The poll's coming. Michael W., you should check out OpenSense, OPN Sense,

Starting point is 02:20:48 and also do that. It's a fork of PFSense that gets updated more frequently. All right. Want to hit us, Dan? Oh, wait, we're supposed to do more topics? Are there more topics? Have you run out of topics? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:21:03 There's New York, new safety standards for lithium batteries after some fires. That seems like pretty good. E-bikes, scooters, lithium-ion batteries. Have to have third-party certification for UL fire safety standards. Oh, that kind of makes sense. You can't just have these like randoms certifying themselves. Cool. You still have 15 minutes before I'm going to turn out the lights on you.

Starting point is 02:21:25 Okay, why don't we talk about Tesla employees sharing private recordings of users and bystanders, including children. We touched on this before, but Tesla is now facing a class action suit following an allegation by multiple former employees that it was common practice for Tesla employees to internally share sensitive videos and images of customers, often for the purpose of mockery. Some made memes out of the images and shared them through the internal messaging system. And sometimes the sharing was between individuals, other times between small groups.

Starting point is 02:21:55 But at times, the groups contained scores of employees. Shared images included car accidents, embarrassing personal moments, nudity, and customer pets and children. Oh yeah, because like, there's internal cameras, right? People do things in cars. I mean, I never have. And I've definitely never been talked

Starting point is 02:22:17 to by the police about it. So yeah, if you had one i thought you were uh if you had one of these uh there could be a video of that you know yeah and maybe someone's like oh i recognize this guy and shares it internally like you don't want that to happen floatplane exclusive one particularly popular 2021 video showed a driver hitting a child on a bike at significant speed. Hard enough the child went flying. Another showed a person being dragged into a car, apparently against their will. According to Tesla, its recordings are anonymous and not linked to the user or their vehicle.

Starting point is 02:23:00 However, several former employees claim that the recordings are linked to location data, which could reveal where a user lives, obviously. It's unclear how widespread it was but it's well known enough that several managers pushed back on image sharing on general communication challenges as a violation of the company privacy policy in some offices these memes were seen as a way of earning social approval that might lead to a promotion as people in leadership roles were apparently particularly prolific at sharing these images well I don't I can't think of anyone in tesla leadership who's like a memer and doesn't have a lot of regard for just you know right yeah yep yep well yeah

Starting point is 02:23:34 that doesn't really check out yeah because like there is there is a certain amount of like there's there's things that can be pretty hard to detect. If you're a company that deals with customer data, if two employees in direct messages that you can't monitor are memeing about it, it might be pretty hard to detect, genuinely. But this doesn't sound like that. It sounds very widespread. Several employees reported feeling paranoid while driving the company cars, knowing how much information was available on the other end and how it could be used. Discussion question.

Starting point is 02:24:13 How does this kind of culture grow within a company? I don't know. How do I put this in a way that is empathetic, but also based in reality? People are jerk wads not all of them but enough of them anonymity and or a perception that your actions are free from consequences definitely breeds a certain kind of behavior in people there's also a pretty intense amount of like if they were on the other end of this they might feel really negative about it but like oh i'm doing it so like i am good most people believe themselves as good aligned so like this is fine i'm just making a joke this isn't actually harming anyone whatever

Starting point is 02:25:02 right they don't know it can't hurt them that type of stuff yeah new topic i'm kind of done with it to be honest not very cool yeah agreed intel teams up with arm intel and arm have announced a multi-generation agreement to optimize intel's 18a fabrication process for arm-based chip designs intel foundry services would not necessarily be producing chips directly for arm but they would be in a position to more effectively fulfill orders from arm licensees like qualcomm and mediatek intel described the collaboration as a way of enabling a more balanced global supply chain for foundry customers working in mobile socC design on ARM-based CPU cores, which is another way of saying that if China actually really does it this time and invades

Starting point is 02:25:50 Taiwan, you guys are going to need some way to produce chips, because I don't think China's going to be super cool about shipping chips to the West after the couple of years that they've had over there. Intel has described plans to produce hybrid chips that combine x86 ARM and RISC-V CPU cores in the past. We don't know if this is necessarily related to that, but that could be kind of cool. And at the same time, Intel has announced

Starting point is 02:26:15 that they are selling off their server division to Mitac, sorry, exiting the server system business. I actually didn't know they still did first-party servers. And it doesn't surprise me that they're bailing because it's a relatively low-margin business. I mean, most of the money in that server made by Supermicro or Dell or whatever is going to three places, Intel, NVIDIA, or software.

Starting point is 02:26:43 Yeah. I had the same reaction when I read this and i think some people misinterpreted this as like intel is exiting the server space entirely not them like making their own servers because i think people didn't even realize that they did that so they like misinterpreted the title because when i read it i was like wait what because yeah i didn't think they did that either i never heard of those in a hot minute and that's it dan i think it's time for wan show after dark except he has to go over there to do it so it's not going to be that pewy oh oh he's he's going to automate it though oh my goodness we could totally see you walking across. You've become immersed in the LMG way.

Starting point is 02:27:26 I think Dan, when he started, would have insisted on not walking in front of the camera. I was so retentive about it. In another six months, yeah, exactly. Okay, it didn't take six months. Fine, that's how it's going to be. All right, hit us. Let me sit down first, man uh okay uh this is from jesse hey luke terrifying to think we are living through a progress in ai that will form the foundation

Starting point is 02:27:56 of our future utopia or annihilation how did i know the whole content of the statement when it started with terrifying yes uh any idea how you would explain ari to children or young teens oh a different direction than i was expecting to the way i've done that so far uh is to just describe it as a computer assistant an advanced computer assistant that you control by talking to it. And honestly, they tend to get it pretty fast. I think this is again one of those things where like, we're the old people now, so we're probably adjusting to it worse than the kids are. I've talked to some like startup teams about it. And I've seen this idea pushed around by other people as well.

Starting point is 02:28:44 I don't know if I said it first or not, so I can't say if I stole it. Um, and I've seen this idea pushed around by other people as well. I don't know if I said it first or not. So I can't say if I stole it. Um, but like looking at how the youngins use these tools is probably going to be a very interesting thing to do because a lot of us, like a lot of what I'm getting out of it is like, I'm excited for, um, co-pilot to come to office. That announcement was insane. That blew my mind um, co-pilot to come to office. That announcement was insane. That blew my mind. When co-pilot comes to office, I'm going to immediately be getting different teams around this office to start using it for beneficial things.

Starting point is 02:29:17 There's a lot of different ways that people could be more efficient with co-pilot directly built into office. Um, that's how like old boomer me is interpreting it, but how are, how are the kids going to use it? Right. That's an interesting question, but yeah, I don't know. I haven't had any, any young people. And I've talked to a couple of people that are like younger than 14. I don't know exactly how old they are about it. They tend to get it pretty quick it doesn't actually seem super complicated to them which i find interesting but yeah that's it

Starting point is 02:29:50 yeah it's gonna get scary uh hey linus which one of your cats would you say is your absolute favorite oof oh it's gotta it's gotta be my dashie yep dash she's the one we've had the longest um she's she's the one that likes me the most or is like bonded to me the most she people who think cats don't have relationships with people like they just see them as a food source have just obviously like never had a cat or like never cared for a cat because they they expect reciprocation they don't their love is not unconditional um so the way that she'll the way that she'll follow me around and uh you know want snuggles and and want to hang out is is really sweet she doesn't always want to be held or anything like that but she is almost always orbiting the family

Starting point is 02:30:43 if everyone's upstairs, Dash is upstairs. If everyone's in the basement, she might be chilling like over there on a chair, but she likes to be near everybody. She's super social. And she's just such a sweetheart. There's more than one of the contractors who worked on our renovation over the last couple of years, more than one of them messaged me just like pictures of Dash, completely unsolicited, just being hilarious or being a sweetheart. And more than one Linus Media Group employee who was at my house for some reason or another, unsolicited, messaged me a picture of Dash,

Starting point is 02:31:21 just being a sweetheart or being hilarious. She's just a great cat. Okay. This one might be for Luke as well. It's from Chris. Luke and Linus, with companies now getting their own LLMs, it's hard to say, what are your thoughts on companies or governments being able to create an actually effective AI-powered lie detector?

Starting point is 02:31:44 being able to create an actually effective AI-powered lie detector? I don't... What do you mean? Yeah, I don't know if... Any test can be defeated by a suitably armed test taker. Also, like... I don't know if I just... I just don't know if I buy that. Using a thing that notoriously lies all the time as a lie detector is kind of

Starting point is 02:32:10 hilarious, in my opinion. I think we can move on to the next one. Easy. This is from Aaron. Recently purchased a Gigabyte 4080 Aero OC. The HDMI 2.1 connection is last in priority, making a multi-monitor setup impossible to show bias on the HDMI if a DisplayPort is connected.

Starting point is 02:32:31 Why? Oh, this is a rough one. I can answer your question. It's because DisplayPort, 99 times out of 100, is going to be the primary display for a GPU, unless you are only connected via HDMI. So that's why that's the default behavior. As for why multi-monitor management isn't better in this day and age, I don't rightly know.

Starting point is 02:33:01 Obviously, this is a pretty niche use case, mine. But I was furious recently. Like, just, just, oh, just, just furious recently, because I was trying to do something that felt very simple. What I wanted was to manually assign each of my displays. So my computer sits in the mechanical room, and it runs my desktop display upstairs. It runs the system, like another display over in the LAN room with my kids' machines so that we can play Minecraft Dungeons or whatever. And I also wanted to play in the theater room. And I have optical cables going everywhere. It all works.

Starting point is 02:33:49 I can do that. What I wanted was to manually assign the display priority. So the number. You know how in Windows, it's like this is display one, this is two, this is three. When you click identify, it shows the number in the corner. And there are certain things that um i forget i i don't even remember exactly why it mattered but there are certain things that are easier to do if a particular display is display number one interesting not just primary it has to be display one that's right i thought it was primary interesting yeah and when you set a display as your primary display, that doesn't make it display number one.

Starting point is 02:34:26 No, it definitely doesn't. That just makes it your primary display for all intents and purposes. So it was that I think what I wanted to do was I wanted to have it duplicated and then only go to one. I wanted to make sure that that one upstairs was always the first one and the theater room was always the third one and there was some reason i wanted to do that i'm sorry i just don't i don't remember anymore and what i discovered is that there are some weird hacky workarounds if you do a fresh install and you plug in the first one first that like should make it the first one okay there are also registry keys that maybe you can whatever some people have had some success with

Starting point is 02:35:12 moving the displays around on different ports but most people reported that didn't work but there is no hard and fast way for you to just tell windows actually off this is display one this is my primary display um and this has been a problem i remember at ncix i had four monitors and what i what i did at that time is i got frustrated at some point and i just physically moved them because you know every time a display driver reset happened or whatever i didn't want them mixed. I didn't want to deal with that. I just wanted them to be detected correctly. You cannot do that.

Starting point is 02:35:52 That's pretty frustrating. It is infuriating. And obviously there's, you know, people helpfully reply to users saying, well, Linux, you can do this. Like, that's nice, but I'm not running Linux. Thank you. Yeah. So if anyone from microsoft is watching please please just let me assign my display priority um that would be great thank you i really wish i remembered why it was so infuriating i was trying to do i was trying to do

Starting point is 02:36:24 something like i wanted all three of them running. And then when one would kick in, it would like boot off the other one. I don't know. I can't remember anymore. Sorry. Okay, Dan. Okay, this is from Ian.

Starting point is 02:36:36 Linus, with AI having the ability to be trained on anything, do you believe at some point we will see an AI antivirus or the need for an anti-AI virus to stop AI actions. AI versus anti-AI AI. Totally already a thing. Yeah, like machine learning enabled anti-malware will look for certain patterns of behavior in programs and it will flag them even if they aren't a known threat.

Starting point is 02:37:04 Yep. Okay okay got another one here the year is 2073 grandpa linus steps in front of the camera one last time to record his final linus tech tips video before finally retiring what would said video be about you retired pretty old yeah wow i made it really far i know i'm pretty sure that this job would kill me long before then um what would it be i mean i think it would just be like a big you know thank you to everyone i i man or okay if it has to be about an actual product ah i'd kind of love for it to be some like kind of grand project, you know, like a whole room water cooling or like a scrapyard wars.

Starting point is 02:37:51 But I think more realistically, it would probably be a troll. Like it'd probably be a fake review of a product that's not real, but we like did some movie magic and made it seem real or something. Like I could, I could, I could see going out with like like a mystery um you know how did he how did he have that how did how did he get that working you know like yeah i could see just like being a complete memer about it but i still have a sense of humor when i'm not old i hope so i think you'll still be a troll just improves with age uh okay next up's from mason hello dan and the talent uh i thank you i feel so vindicated what about luke

Starting point is 02:38:33 got him good one yeah uh i collect crts i have 12 now and cannot explain how i justify keeping all of them is there any now antiquatedated technology that you don't think you could ever get rid of? Man, these are like really tough questions. Antiquated technology I don't think I could get rid of. I mean, a phone, a watch seems pretty superfluous these days, but I just, I don't know, I kind of just like wearing them. This doesn't even have the right time on it. This is that Pebble time that Shank Mods gave me.

Starting point is 02:39:14 I'm wearing it so that I remember to figure out Rebel. It's like this weird side load old Pebble app something thing. Apparently you could still get these things working. I just haven't gotten around to it. I dedicated about three minutes to it and i was like okay this is more than a three minute project and then i gave up temporarily so this is to like remind me to do it um antiquated tech that you can't bring yourself to get rid of i mean luke doesn't buy anything so he doesn't have anything there's some retro console stuff yeah okay i'd have a hard time getting rid of um you could if you needed to though just emulate but i absolutely yeah and have seriously thought about it and just don't have to right now which is the only

Starting point is 02:39:52 reason why i haven't but like if i needed money i would flip my retro consoles immediately that'd be the first thing to go i don't know so yeah not really i don't know uh next up when show with guests as the olden days when guests take a long time i love bringing guests on but how do i say this tactfully generally speaking the guest segments don't perform as well as when it's just me and luke and i guess that guy um so there's no audience drive to make that happen to speaking broadly um and it makes the show take even longer which is already a problem we have so we're not solving any problems and we're creating new ones it's a good thing to have in the back pocket for when it like totally makes sense by either us very specifically wanting to add promotion to a thing or a person for a very specific reason or because like we need help with a topic if there's like hey you did this

Starting point is 02:40:58 thing we want to talk to you about it maybe but also maybe not because it might be better to just talk to you about it offline and then cover the notes okay got another one here would you ever make a hand warmer for typing my hands freeze in office and a small heated desk pad or infrared heater would be amazing also any logistics tips for a prospective badminton gym owner uh don't do it it's not a profitable business i'm only getting into it because i intend to lose money um oh mind you real estate might not be as expensive where you are okay you know good luck uh in that case here it's super dumb as for the hand warmer That's the opposite direction that I'm used to hearing that go. I'm used to people getting like little fans and stuff, not warmer.

Starting point is 02:41:51 Yeah, you're a warm boy though. Like I guarantee you Yvonne would benefit from like a desktop hand warmer. I'd be afraid to ship anything that's designed to generate heat. I'd just be worried about liability. And like melting stuff. Yeah. Like someone touching it and burning themselves a general move is to put a cage in front of it that limits yeah but now this is becoming very cumbersome so you've got a heating element wiring you've got a cage um

Starting point is 02:42:18 i don't know okay i think you could do a wrist rest actually by using that same like wire that they use in heating blankets yeah yeah the wrist rest could be doable there's definitely options you could do gloves as well but like I hate wearing gloves when I'm typing or using a mouse.

Starting point is 02:42:45 Yeah, that's tough. Like gamer gloves were a thing for a very small period of time. I think we even bought a bunch of gamer gloves with the intention of doing a roundup. What the heck happened to that? Dang it. I don't know. But the number of videos that were like, oh yeah, we should totally do that. And we just never do.

Starting point is 02:43:01 It's wild. Yeah. One of the problems is like power delivery if it's gloves or something like that that that gets weird um i mean people people wear giant helmets so like yeah you never know what nerds will wear what wait giant you mean vr yeah okay i was like what is this no i mean daft punk oh man that's funny uh no promises yeah yeah uh what's the progress update on the stubby screwdriver is something different compared to the full-size screwdriver in development

Starting point is 02:43:42 i would really love to hear more about it since we saw it last. It's just small, and it's still mostly on track, it looks like, for LTX launch. Exciting. I'm excited. To Linus and Luke, but mostly Luke, another AI question. What are your thoughts on ChatGPT4 being used for sports betting,

Starting point is 02:44:04 stock trading, and crypto trading or prediction? Love the show. Shout out from South Louisiana. I think the A got cut off. We all knew it was going to happen. We kind of talked about it earlier in the show. Use at your own risk. I don't know what to tell you.

Starting point is 02:44:19 I don't give financial advice. Sounds scary, though. Using a language predictor to predict the results of... A horse race? Like, really? I mean, the horses have names in language. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:44:34 Okay, we can take that. I think just deciding that it is a catch-all solution for all AI or ML tasks is a little weird. But, yeah. Use at your own risk. I don't know. Okay.

Starting point is 02:44:49 As a new subscriber, I have a question regarding Floatplane. Have the goals for the platform changed since the initial inception? And what are the goals for Floatplane currently? The core goal has never changed. The core goal is based around the name. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:45:04 The name Floatplane was spawned from Nikolite. goal has never changed uh the core goal is based around the name yeah um the the name float plane was spawned from nick light um and it's it comes from the it might not take off but it'll never sink kind of idea um that core concept applies to how we do uh like development and technological choices for the platform so it makes things a. So it makes things a lot harder. It makes things a lot more complicated, to be honest, because there's there's much easier ways of doing things. But when we build something, we always build it so that it's like, it can run on any platform, it can run with any service. So like we might, we might use some service for some specific thing. But I can guarantee you that that is portable to something else

Starting point is 02:45:48 with little effort for like everything that we do. And it would be easier because the industry is absolutely built for buy-in. A lot of these big companies want you to, I don't remember what it's called. Normally I would be able to remember, but I don't remember right now. There's a term for it, is it just lock-in? There's a term for it when you start working with one company and then by working with them more and more and more and more,

Starting point is 02:46:16 it would become extremely painful for you to switch to another company because all your stuff is built specifically for their platform. CRMs are brutal for that. Yeah. Oh my God, yeah. Tons of different things are brutal for that.

Starting point is 02:46:30 They want that. And even if it's not sunk cost, no vendor lock. Yeah, vendor lock. Even if they advertise like, oh, it's not like that. Usually the path of least resistance is to do that anyways. So we often go down the path of definitely not least resistance is to do that anyways so we we often go down the path of definitely not least resistance which is rough but i mean we're still here we're still floating we're still okay and that's that's still kicking kind of the main goal uh there's obviously other goals in regards to

Starting point is 02:47:01 like features and whatever else but those are those those are the things that we do to make the platform worth using for people. But the main goal is to make sure that the platform will always be here. What's up? He's on it. I got it. I'm doing it now. We didn't announce the new product we launched on the store. What did we launch?

Starting point is 02:47:19 Oh, yeah. New desk pad. Hey. Looks sick. It does, actually. what the heck just happened we're back new desk pad i like the design it's sick it's actually inspired by the sign in the lounge oh yeah that makes sense yeah so it's kind of a jan design, if you really think about it. I think that the one who actually brought it to life here was Lloyd, and there might have been some collaboration from Sarah or another designer.

Starting point is 02:47:56 Because, you know, it started on a wall and had to make its way into, you know, A, a design for a mouse pad, and B, a whole bunch of different sizes because this is yet another one of our $29.99, no matter what size you choose. Oh my goodness. Products. The amount of SKUs. But yeah, it's a less stealthy, but still pretty darn stealthy design.

Starting point is 02:48:21 We did brand this one, so it has a big fat Ltt in the middle for your convenience right where your keyboard will be we wanted the keyboard to feel like the center of this design so you can see that even though the logo is dead center the way that the line work comes in that's actually pretty cool really works well with the keyboard being the the kind of uh origin of all of the traces here in the circuit that's smart yeah so it's a it's a super it's the little thoughtful stuff like that that does happen it these conversations do take place as part of the product development process but it's not often easy to communicate to you all.

Starting point is 02:49:10 Yeah, same great 3.5mm base, same great anti-fray stitching around the edge, same great top surface weave. I know you guys will love it because our desk pad has been a modest success, to say the least. Like, what? That's a lot of reviews. These are not.

Starting point is 02:49:33 That is five stars. These are not curated. These are not filtered. These are just people flipping love this thing. I pretty much promise you that most of this stuff is just uh people who like never got their order um shipping complications and yeah and messaged support and we took a long time to get back to them and then they just like never updated their review but we do get back to everyone it just does take some time sometimes and there's nothing we can do about that stuff

Starting point is 02:50:00 we don't remove it we leave it there you know that's our that's that's on us you know we got it we got to do better um but you know we can't prevent couriers from taking a long time sometimes shipments get lost stuff happens uh what we can do is reply to people in a timely manner and i've seen really good feedback about our our customer service lately in fact we managed to blow up on the subreddit for doing something good for a change which was really nice recently we we reached out proactively about the thing with the tech sack where the image on the site didn't match what people actually got um so what we decided to do even though it's like it's a functionally equivalent product and it's like better actually um we offered everyone a ten dollar credit for you know just being chill or if they didn't like that then we offered just a full refund and return

Starting point is 02:50:46 like well hey we'll take it back no problem so people were people were pretty happy with that cool it's the kind of thing that we would do even if we didn't have to because we don't have to but we do it anyway because uh no trust me bro got you another message hit me okay hey lld most companies focus around how to automate tasks are there functions in work or lifestyle that you all will purposely take the harder or more expensive route to preserve human skill and jobs uh-oh i was typing response and didn't hear the whole thing uh with with automation becoming most people would prioritize automation are there areas where you would do it the hard way on purpose in order to preserve human skill and jobs i think there's a lot of examples oh and jobs i don't know there's a lot of examples of areas where people do it the hard way on purpose because people value the effort and skill and craftsmanship involved.

Starting point is 02:51:51 I don't think the art was the point. I think productivity was the point here. And if that's the case, honestly, for me, not really. I don't think that's true for almost anyone. That's not how people work well that that's how like as a society we kind of create our our rules though like the number of times that we will that we will regulate something in order to preserve jobs it's it's wild to me like imagine imagine if we uh okay uh hold on okay sure here's an example did you know that in richmond uh gas stations have to be full service in order to preserve gas pumping jobs i think that's okay so that is something that i've heard of before i think that is usually laughed at and is uncommon but does happen roughly sort of speckled all over the place chat feel free to okay apparently there's a couple of states that have that exact same no it's speckled all over the place i meant that genuinely

Starting point is 02:52:51 i know it happens in a couple states i know it happens in as few spots around canada but it's definitely uncommon i mean it is not the norm i should say that the way that the car dealership industry has been preserved in general. That's just wild. That's lobbying. Yeah, but preserve our jobs. Lobbying is pretty much job preservation if you really boil it down. Wow, I don't agree with that in the slightest. I mean, okay.

Starting point is 02:53:20 It's economic abuse to a huge degree. Okay, I didn't say it wasn't abuse. You specifically said it is this if you boil it down. Yeah. It's self-interested job preservation then. How about that? I don't know if someone's like, I want to make $40 million this year instead of $29 million this year. I don't know if saying that is job preservation.

Starting point is 02:53:43 I don't know if that's fair. million this year i don't know if saying that is is job preservation i don't know if that's fair i don't i don't think the average interest of lobbying is like i want to make sure i can protect my huge swath of employees well right but unless you can keep your industry going strong which okay so okay i see where you're going with this i think it's usually masquerades as job preservation then i mean that's the argument that they'll make often sure they just lie a lot Yeah, sure so profit preservation says says floatplane chat sure of our preservation for a very small amount of people that are extremely beyond like Delta above survival Well okay, I mean it also does impact other people down the chain sure

Starting point is 02:54:28 like it's not necessarily positively um if your boss makes like to use the example i just made if your boss makes 40 million instead of 29 million there is zero guarantee that that benefits you in any way whatsoever yeah but your boss won't make any million if your industry is, you know, if your industry goes the way of the ice harvesting industry, then the ice harvesting boss... I don't think all lobbying is that type of preservation, though. Okay, well, I mean, I'm open to an example. I don't pay that much attention to lobbying. A significant amount of it is being able to keep profits high by not following different ethical standards, whatever. That isn't necessarily resisting your entire industry from disappearing. That's keeping profits high. that's keeping profits high.

Starting point is 02:55:22 Yeah, I don't know. I guess, man, I'm just, I'm thinking like, okay, another great example of lobbying, you know, keeping your industry from disappearing would be something like QuickBooks, like personal tax software. Like that's a really interesting rabbit hole. There's some really intense lobbying. If not for lobbying,

Starting point is 02:55:40 that industry simply wouldn't need to exist. It shouldn't. And everyone who works in it from all the way to the top, all the way down to the bottom, yes, the bottom. Something better for the world. Would just be gone. And yeah, could do something more useful. So like I'm...

Starting point is 02:55:53 Let's all hope they die faster than they currently are. Yeah. Yeah, this is great. Floatplane chat, cold take, lobbying. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, there is, I am sure there is examples of Good lobbying. I never said it was good to be very Yeah, like I'm sure there is good examples of it though. It's just a system that is clearly

Starting point is 02:56:21 vast majority of the time abused for hyper bad negative things No, no disagreement there. What was the question? Oh, right. Oh, yeah. Is there anything that we would do the inefficient way on purpose? What would you do the hard way

Starting point is 02:56:40 just to preserve the art of it almost? Nothing. I mean, I guess I'd do some stuff the hard way like uh i don't know we well no okay you just said to preserve the art but it's not the art it's for practical purposes i don't yeah i don't think i would ever not use a dolly just so that i could like work out my arms more yeah well no because then there's like a health benefit yeah okay i would do that i would take the stairs. There are examples, though, that fit this. Yeah, not if efficiency was a factor.

Starting point is 02:57:10 There. Okay. All right, let's get you another one here. Linus, YouTube suggested a WAN show from 2013 where you wore a seemingly authentic CADPAT parka issued in the Canadian Armed Forces. Wondering how you got one and if you kept it, allegedly. Isn't it gone?

Starting point is 02:57:32 Yeah, I don't know what happened to it. Yeah, that sucks. It's one of those things where it's like that stupid Apple Atmark Pippin console. Yeah, where the heck is that? I don't know. It is gone. It's just, it disappeared. That jacket disappeared. I have no idea what happened to it I don't know it is gone. It's just it disappeared that jacket

Starting point is 02:57:51 Disappeared I have no idea what happened to it. My mom gave it to me. It was a gift that jacket kept a Actually very high number of people warm Yeah Helpful jacket it was super warm when we were in like hyper startup mode working out of his garage We didn't necessarily have a lot of heating and in winter months that jacket would be like passed around because it was really warm oh man okay uh last one i've got here curated uh why has an amd released any new gpus since the 7900 series in december why hold off releasing the mid-range cards? Leaks seem to say next launch is June when NVIDIA's 4070 is out now. 4060 is coming in May.

Starting point is 02:58:34 Because it's really, really hard. Just because the architecture is done and out there and on the market doesn't mean that those mid-tier chips are fully bug tested, right? Like, man, modern microprocessors, again, back to that hot take earlier that consumer PC hardware is cheap.

Starting point is 02:58:57 They're a miracle. They are actually an engineering marvel. They're magic, basically, right? The fact that the 7900 series exists at all amazes me uh never mind where's the 7800 and where's the 7700 and like i know obviously we want less expensive cards right like yeah it's gonna be what the latest architecture but it's it's hard work it's hard grueling difficult time-consuming work and you know a company like amd has a lot going on they can't just focus on their their discrete desktop gpus they've also got their scientific and data center gpus they've got the gpu products that are built

Starting point is 02:59:41 into their cpus now which um are no longer really lagged behind by as much in terms of technology. I would imagine that if their roadmap is anything to go on, we're going to see RDNA 3, RDNA 4, iGPUs with much less lag compared to the first appearance of that architecture on a desktop add-in card. Don't forget about the custom silicon work that they do for partners like Sony and Microsoft and Valve.

Starting point is 03:00:07 We have no idea what this chip in the ASUS ROG Ally is, but apparently it's custom silicon as well. And the thing is, you've only got... Even if you're a company with the resources of AMD, you have a finite number of people on your team, right? And even if you saw a profitable opportunity like oh yeah let's bring our mid-range GPU to market faster you and what army what how many GPU experts are there on earth that aren't already

Starting point is 03:00:38 gainfully employed it's not like you can just hire another hundred person to do it doesn't work like that right so we just have to be patient is the bottom line it's yeah it's frustrating right like obviously yeah I want where's our DNA for let's go but it takes time it's really challenging massive respect for the people who work on

Starting point is 03:00:59 this stuff all right now that's the end of the curated oh okay I can just like curate some yeah go for it or there's a read a massive mountain of incoming messages that they're all just like questions trying to text response we have a thing that can display them at the end of the show if we don't get to them or play the rest of the queue um you know, new thing that we're trying. Give it a go. Yep.

Starting point is 03:01:29 I don't know how. Maybe try to go through the massive mountain of messages and curate some of them while we do text responses. Yeah, let's do it. Sure, let's go. This is cool. Nicholas T says, Hey Linus, I've been promoted to a new position where I measure individual transistors.

Starting point is 03:01:46 Feels strange to be doing a job you couldn't show. Anything in particular surprise you during the lab tour at Micron? I think the most surprising thing at Micron was just how jazzed everyone was to be there. how jazzed everyone was to be there. At somewhere like Nvidia, where they have a more consumer-facing brand, even someone like Intel, where they show up at gaming events and they have skulls and branding or whatever.

Starting point is 03:02:17 And they're cool. Yeah, you kind of expect to find passionate, enthusiast people. But Micron has just about the most boring um corporate image i think in the tech industry right like for they're they're huge they're enormous they come from potato land they they they make you know gosh darn it the stablest d-ram chip let's go um but just how excited people seemed to work at micron was was really cool uh really inspiring yeah let's uh i managed to get one in that time uh This is from Justin, longtime VOD watcher and first-time buyer.

Starting point is 03:03:07 I work as a network engineer for a large U.S. telecom company. If you could change one thing about the telecom industry, what would it be? The fact that you work for a large U.S. telecom company? No, I mean, well, sort of. I really wish there was less consolidation in the telecom industry. I, I can see that Mr. Ryan Reynolds came out virtually unscathed from that whole Mint Mobile sale, but, um, Mint Mobile seemed like, you know, a good thing. Um, and now there's more consolidation. So cool. You know, like I would like to see

Starting point is 03:03:49 more public ownership of basic infrastructure. I mean, I think it's fair to say that in some ways, the fiber line between you and the nearest internet exchange is more important than the road between you and the nearest city like as long as you can get basics like you know food water shelter there are entire industries that just run on those fiber lines and don't need a road when i was picking my apartment that was like a huge portion of the decision making and a lot of people were quite surprised but like i don't know let's stand by it okay another one for you here this is from lilith talking uh to talking of the stream deck and portables do you think the future of them will be framework like experience with modular parts so the product doesn't function like a console, i.e. get outdated fast. Hmm. I don't think it's that realistic. I think that...

Starting point is 03:04:59 I mean, it could be done. Framework has shown us that the limit was our imagination. It wasn't the technology. So it could be done, but it would take someone to come in and do it. I mean, when someone, when, when, when Asus was here for their, for their ally preview, I told someone from their, their notebook team, because it's the same team working on the ally. I was like, Hey, have you guys seen the Framework 16 yet? They're like, no.

Starting point is 03:05:28 I'm like, okay, you guys need to sit up and pay attention. I'm an investor in Framework. I don't mind if they kick your butt, but you guys need to sit up and pay attention. You guys need to come at this head on. This is a serious thing that's happening now. There are going to be good devices that take this modular, more reusable approach to their design. And you guys have got to figure this out because you can't just react to it later. And I had made a joke about how, you know, haha, the Ally is pretty cool.

Starting point is 03:05:57 But, you know, I'd rather have one that was made by someone like a framework where I don't have to buy a whole new one in order to keep using my... Oh, crap. framework where i don't have to buy a whole new one in order to keep using my um oh crap uh my hall effect joysticks that i already upgraded you know my chassis to or whatever else and they're like oh well i hope they don't get into it and like no what you should hope is that you guys do a better job and make upgradable stuff so i yeah i'd like to see it happen but i don't know whether to hope for it or not. More modular electronics? It just hasn't been the trend up until now. It's hard when they get small like that, too. Yeah, and it is legitimately actually really challenging.

Starting point is 03:06:34 You know, what's so great about the Ally? Well, one of the things that's so great is it has this phenomenal cooling system that is somehow super quiet and runs really cool. I haven't opened it yet. I actually haven't opened it yet, even though they're not here to supervise me anymore. Why haven't I opened it yet? Anyway, I haven't opened it yet, but I would imagine that a really finely tuned cooling solution is going to make it more difficult to have that mainboard be upgradable. Okay, next up, Linus and Luke, any suggestions on courses or resources to take my tech

Starting point is 03:07:09 troubleshooting skills from have you tried turning it on on back on again to something more refined really uh really depends what you more specifically want to get into if you're trying to get into like infrastructure stuff, IT admin type things, networking courses, networking certifications are often a pretty good angle to go in. There's also some stuff you can do with, oh, what's that? Active directory. Getting into active directory. I'm assuming the direction you want to go into is IT. I don't know if that's a good assumption or not. But yeah, I'll get into some certification courses

Starting point is 03:07:52 for like networking, Active Directory, stuff like that. Okay, next up. Hi, LL plus D. Linus, do you know if there's any LTT garments that we either should or shouldn't use fabric softener on? I was taught to always use it, but I've also heard that it isn't good for some fabrics. I didn't know that. So, here's the thing. Bridget and I, in particular Bridget and I, often butt heads about proper treatment of garments.

Starting point is 03:08:27 She will say things like, well, you're not supposed to put this in the dryer. Oh, that's going to happen anyways. I was getting there. You're not supposed to put this in the dryer and this applique thing or whatever else and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, right. But I'm going to put it in the dryer.

Starting point is 03:08:52 So where are we at with this? Drives her crazy because she and a lot of people on the team here do treat their clothes properly. on the team here do treat their clothes properly. But, you know, I want us to try to make everything okay for the people who don't. And you know what? You do have to treat your clothes properly. Like a hoodie that you put in the dryer on high every time, if it's cotton, it will shrink. It's natural fiber.

Starting point is 03:09:26 It behaves how it behaves. And we can pre-shrink it, and we do, but there's a limit to what you can do with pre-shrinking. So with all of that said, we strive to make it so you can kind of do whatever you want. We do list the materials composition on our products, as we're legally required to do. So if there's any materials that are good or bad with fabric softener, I guess you can just sort of follow whatever guidelines you can find.

Starting point is 03:09:50 But in general, we kind of try to make things that are resilient and last a long time. No, I didn't unmute myself. All right. Last one I've got here is Sal from Android Basha channel. My question to Linus is, what do you think about tech channels releasing videos a couple minutes ahead of the official NDA timeline? It's happened multiple times. Oh, that's an interesting question

Starting point is 03:10:26 i did it once uh we maybe twice i don't know we we released a video like one minute before the actual official embargo lift and i think the idea was to see if it would have any kind of impact. And what we determined was that, A, no one noticed or cared. And B, it didn't have an impact. Yeah, in the long term, what I've found is that, I mean, here, like I can show you guys this, right? Like here, let's go into the channel dashboard. Let's head to the analytics, shall shall we you guys want to see some analytics yes i know i do these iddix be anal

Starting point is 03:11:17 nice one ding no that's not worth a ding that's not even a joke that's just stupid it's over there it's not it's too far away no dings you can tell what time of night it is all right so first things first um you can see there's some videos coming soon what's it like to work at linus media group the sequel did anyone talk to you nope really no interesting adam was in charge this time not included oh all right well i guess you don't didn't really work at lmg for most of the period we're covering here so also we have another one pushing the gt 1030 to the max um they'll have better titles when we actually release them so here let's find uh let's find a video okay here here here here's here's one no this is the clean So here, let's find a video. Okay, here, here, here, here. Here's one.

Starting point is 03:12:05 No, this is the cleanest setup. So let's go into, what is it? I hate, I still hate this dashboard. Oh, a bunch of really positive feedback on that video, by the way. Infuriating. Because it's already on Flowplane. Oh, which one?

Starting point is 03:12:22 What it's like to work at LMG. Oh, really? Okay, well, I'm not allowed to watch it, so I guess. Flowplane chat just said it's like to work at lmg oh really yeah okay well i'm not allowed to watch it so i guess i'm just a full-plane chat just said it's really good oh i'm glad it's i'm really glad it's good cool all right anywho uh what am i looking for uh yes impressions no man where's oh yeah here we go here we just like flash banged everyone by the way, sorry Yeah, sorry, I don't have dark reader on this profile okay Bell notifications sent here we go they sent 911,000 subscribers a notification the click-through rate is within the typical range for YouTube of 0.5 to 2.5 percent

Starting point is 03:13:04 1.1 percent which means our views from bell notifications as a channel with 14 15 however many millions of subscribers was 9 800 it's actually kind of amazing this is a video with 3 million views total impressions 38.2 million with a click-through rate of 5.4 the click-through rate of your impressions that you get from browse features suggested videos all these places that actually matter at all is three times no no, over four times higher. So the only thing that launching a little bit early could possibly do for you is give you a bit of an early boost on those notification views, right?

Starting point is 03:14:01 Because one minute later, everyone's going to be on pretty much equal footing when it comes to to browse and suggested and all that stuff. We're at the point now where we don't even really pay attention to what time of day we launch a video because we know that it's all going to come out in the wash in the long term. So that's, that's where we're at on it. I really don't think it's a big deal. And I do think it's a big deal to break a legal agreement that you've signed. So you just should launch at the right time. Like, you know, everyone just should.

Starting point is 03:14:31 But I don't think it's a big deal for you. Like, I don't think you're at a competitive disadvantage if other narrow dwells are pulling these kinds of moves. Okay. Hold on a second. of moves okay hold on a second uh android basha is in the chat saying it might not impact you but trust me myself and several other channels i know have seen noticeable drops at the first hour reach um yeah but that first hour is important but it also isn't big picture you've got to be looking at um click through you've got to be looking at retention because that is ultimately what is going to drive that piece of content and you know that's a that's a, that's a real, it's a real challenge. It's way harder.

Starting point is 03:15:27 You know, being the first one with content is, is a valid strategy. It's even a good strategy, but it's an exhausting strategy and it's a very challenging strategy. And I don't think it's a sustainable strategy. Okay. Got another one here for you linus and luke thoughts on nebula's 250 lifetime membership isn't video streaming expensive did we talk about this already or did you and i just talk about that i think you and i were talking about that yeah it's um okay so nebula is an interesting model right as far as i can tell um not a lot of people are actually watching on the site and that doesn't really matter to them like i don't think i don't think that really matters because it's far more of a just like, hey, I want to support creators. Here's a very sort of small amount of financial contribution, of which very little makes its way to the, you know, the individual creator, right?

Starting point is 03:16:35 Because you're not subscribing to an individual creator, you're subscribing to the entire platform. So each creator is getting a very small fraction of that amount. That's just sort of inherent. If you actually watched a lot on the platform. But the benefit of it is that they can achieve a level of scale that particularly boosted by the cross-promotion that they do with CuriosityStream has enabled them to reach a subscriber count that is quite substantial. So they've got these subscribers, right? They've got this sort of, yeah, so they've got this user count. They've got this roster of creators that, as far as I can tell, are not really making a ton of money just from Nebula payouts.

Starting point is 03:17:24 As far as I can tell, a lot of money just from like nebula payouts as far as i can tell a lot of the a lot of the financial incentive for creators is promoting subscribing to curiosity stream because it includes nebula and so which is good for creators because they get some revenue from nebula but more importantly they have an ownership stake in nebula So any creators who join nebula have an ownership stake in the platform and that's as far as I can tell as an outsider The the real point I don't think the point is the actual monthly checks that a creator with you know 20,000 YouTube subscribers and however many people are watching them on nebula because you can kind of extrapolate that it's like And however many people are watching them on Nebula, because you can kind of extrapolate that it's like probably like four people. Right. So I don't think they're getting a significant amount of money on a monthly basis from Nebula. But I think the goal is that when Nebula exits, when it sells, everyone who joined as a creator, everyone who joined as a creator is going to get a piece of that action.

Starting point is 03:18:26 So with that in mind, what does a $250 lifetime subscription to a streaming platform look like? Well, it looks like a streaming platform that doesn't actually stream a lot of video, wanting to boost subscriber counts so that when they eventually exit in some way, or IPO or whatever it is that they plan to do, they will be able to have a bigger payout for their shareholders who are the creators, which is not a bad thing. It's just a very different model from the way that we structure things, which is generally more ongoing sustainability and less exit strategy.

Starting point is 03:19:02 You also sometimes just need a burst of, I've been trying to respond to messages, so I didn't listen to all of that, but you sometimes need a burst of income if you're trying to avoid outside investor stuff. And it might be worth lower returns in the future for that burst of income now, depending on what you're trying to do. There's like a lot. Yeah. There's like a lot.

Starting point is 03:19:28 Yeah, there's like a lot. There's too many sitting and incoming. We need to be responding to these faster. Yep. I'm working on it. We can talk about this more after the show as well. Hit me. All right, Anonymous.

Starting point is 03:19:44 Have you ever seen a surface electron display monitor? If not, do you think you can get a hold of one? You ever heard of one of these? SED? SED monitor. My understanding is outside of a couple of trade show demos, they never existed. It was supposed to be a replacement for CRT that was not as thin as lcd but with the contrast and and brightness benefits of of crt and response time benefits of crt if a canon was working on it if i recall

Starting point is 03:20:12 correctly i was very excited about it at the time if it's the one i'm thinking of um and i i was really disappointed that it never made it to to light but o OLED has pretty much negated any need for SED to make it to market. All right. What are the odds of LTT partnering with iFixit for an orange and black precision driver kit? I don't know. I don't really know if that's like iFixit's model.

Starting point is 03:20:43 I, yeah, I could definitely see us doing more tools in the future but I don't really see any reason why either of us would necessarily co-brand with the other. Like having more hands in the pot is I don't know not really not really beneficial to either of us I don't think. Love your work and would love to work for you do you guys still offer relocation assistance i don't know why don't you get a job and find out check our job postings let's see uh any chance on releasing a case for screwdriver that can also fit all the bit sets um yes it'll be a it'll be a long time though you know how slow we are and that's a that's a product that i don't

Starting point is 03:21:35 think we would do just like a less expensive faster chinese mold for like we did for the cable management arches that's the kind of product that we would probably want to get done by um itd it's either innovative or innovation tool and die something like a local company we'd probably get the molds made there because we'd want it to be like on par with the quality of the screwdriver that it goes with right so i don't see that happening anytime super soon what is your favorite small form factor case right now oh we were actually shooting a video about this new one from dan case that is just so cool adam was telling me about it looks amazing yeah uh what's the man what dang it is it oh is it out uh?

Starting point is 03:22:32 Yeah, yeah, this one okay super cool. Yeah, see for SFX this thing is sick It's sick watch the video. It's sick. That's all I have to say about that I Built one in the previous Dan case, and it was just incredible. No this one's so much better know. Your Dan Case is crap. It's okay, I gave it away. Your name is Dan and you still don't know anything about Dan Case anymore. I know nothing. It's new Dan Case. It's a new game. Oh my gosh. I've been replaced. Okay, as someone who's

Starting point is 03:22:56 watched since the kitchen set days, is there any videos that you look back on from the early days of LTT and want to recreate for old times sake. Recreate? I mean, I wish we could do classic Scrapyard Wars again. Yeah, just, we had a question about that in the pre-show and I was like, man, it just doesn't, can't work. It doesn't work. Yeah. And I don't know, it's funny, like, yeah, I'd love to,

Starting point is 03:23:21 I'd love to do whole room water cooling again. But we can't just interrupt everyone's jobs to help us put fittings on things anymore. It just doesn't really work that way here. Certain scale issues. Yeah. I've fairly often come back to the like, this is not that old of a video. Okay, it's a very old video,

Starting point is 03:23:40 but it's not that old of a video in kitchen in the house scale. You know what I mean? But the WTF is going on with DX12 and Vulcan. but it's not that old of a video in kitchen in the house scale you know what i mean uh but the wtf is going on with dx12 and vulcan i've often just kind of personally wondered that like what's the current state of those because like when i launch a game and i see options right now i don't i'm not 100 confident in which one to choose. You know? So, yeah. Go Vulcan.

Starting point is 03:24:06 Be cool. Well, no, but even like, okay, because that video went more in-depth on these things. Even when it's like, do you want to launch in DX11 or DX12? If it's only DX is the option. For a while there, it was 11, not 12. Uh-huh.

Starting point is 03:24:23 I mean, I still have issues with like ano as far as i know just like never patched the bugginess no but like for real a lot of games that came around that era it was better to run them in dx11 than 12 so like is that completely fixed for new games what kind of stragglers are we looking at stuff Stuff like that. I think it'd be interesting. Okay. Luke, are there any plans for adding split-screen support for the iPad OS app on Floatplane? We don't really do

Starting point is 03:24:56 specific for iPad development. Got them. So, like, not in the near future. And Linus, any timeline on the luxury backpack oh this is probably a question you were expecting me to answer extremely quickly oh boy it's not though um oh boy okay first of all it's not luxury it's lux that is what we're gonna call it we're just gonna call it lux It's not luxury. It's lux. Ugh.

Starting point is 03:25:26 That is what we're going to call it. We're just going to call it lux. Okay. All right. Fine. Second of all, I don't know. I don't want to release something that I'm not completely confident in. And right now, I'm really happy with the state that it's in. But what I don't know is how long will I be happy with the state that it's in But what I don't know is how long will I be happy with the state that it's in so whoops

Starting point is 03:25:50 What I press There we go. Thanks, Dan So Okay, there's a couple of things that are wrong with this prototype. The water bottle holder is a little bit too tight I have a similar issue with some of the pockets over here other than that It's basically it's basically perfect I've noticed that as it's broken in this zipper at the very front this one this one right here has turned

Starting point is 03:26:18 From kind of straight to you can't you know You're really not gonna be able to see that to more of like like a smile like it's kind of oh, yeah Here we go. Here's a better angle. I'll get you guys this angle here So it's more like kind of curved now so you can see that but that's like a natural thing That's gonna happen with with a leather product right like it tends to you know you can see the water bottle bulge a little bit more than you could see with the With the it starts with an R or whatever the with the reprieve fabric that we use for the regular backpack my issue is that this is an a

Starting point is 03:26:54 vegan leather which is like probably the most successful rebrand in all of history pleather leather to vegan leather vegan leather yeah like fake leather to vegan leather man uh anyway this is this is a vegan leather product but it's not just like plastic um this is an apple leather so it's like a like a fruit based vegan leather that behaves boy does it ever feel and act a lot like leather um from the manufacturer, they've told us that you can buff scuffs out of it with polish, just like with leather. They've told us the durability should be very similar to leather. I haven't observed any issues with it in my time using it,

Starting point is 03:27:40 but I've only been using it for a couple months. Can I draw long-term, you know, years-long conclusions about this fabric based on the time I've spent with it? Not with 100% confidence, and this is not going to be a cheap product. I would be surprised if it isn't at least double of what the regular backpack costs because a the material is far more costly and b working with it is far more costly it's far more time consuming so it's pretty much ready for us to place an order we would have to make a couple small changes to the to the construction and we're ready to go. But I've been holding off because I just want it to be really good.

Starting point is 03:28:31 And I don't, like I've asked if, so we have a partner that does a lot of material testing for us called Chima. And I've asked, is there anything we can do in terms of like long-term durability tests on it? Or like, can we do scuff tests and then can we get polishes and try to polish it like what can we do to can you figure this out guys um and so we're working on that but it's going to take time i've got a lot of people in the chat asking well why not just make it out of real leather do you want it to be fifteen hundred dollars two grand okay I'm like, okay.

Starting point is 03:29:08 Yeah, that would be, leather is freaking hard to work with. And like, if you're spending that much on leather, seam stitching can be an issue. So are these hand-stitched bags now? Well, yeah, that's the thing, right? Yeah. I'm adding that clarification because I'm sure someone's Googling how much leather costs and they're going to be like, oh, it's not the. No, it's the workmanship There's more to it than that. Yeah

Starting point is 03:29:31 Okay Okay Okay, well yeah, we might have to we might have to call it are there are there any more like outstanding ones you guys see in this you guys are sending you guys gotta send more just like hey hi mom you know stuff because we actually can't do this uh yes the uv blocking hoodie is still coming um you know what why don't we try and rapid fire a few? Let's, let's, let's try it. Sure.

Starting point is 03:30:08 Okay. How are scientific anonymous asks? How are scientific backgrounds understood or perceived within the software development field? That's coming from an astrophysicist. How are scientific backgrounds? That's not rapid fire enough. Perceived.

Starting point is 03:30:20 He shrugged. Next question. Okay. Robert says, can't wait to set this up on my test bench at work microsoft loop just went live for my org what's one non-ai product that is upcoming or live that you guys especially dan are super excited for non-ai product hey i could read these too okay so what is it it's especially dan uh i i didn't actually catch that i don't know um non-tech products no non-ai non-ai product this rapid fire concept is not working

Starting point is 03:30:54 literally let's read along with you then uh non-ai uh ar ar i want ar to be good one day love it okay adam if there's going to be a lin day. Love it. Nice, good answer. Okay, Adam. If there's going to be a Linus Tech Tips TV series or movie, who would you cast to play you? Reynolds. To play you? Yeah.

Starting point is 03:31:16 Oh, I was thinking the other Ryan. I've just had the amount of times... Remember the... Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling looks so much more like you. Sorry. That's the one I meant. I'm really bad with actor names Yeah, Ryan Gosling for Lou would nail it yeah I have no idea for me. I'm sorry. I also don't know too many actors okay next oh Okay, I was okay. Hello gentlemen. what is your favorite controller to use with pc it's the xbox controller for both of us um other than ralston keyboard ps4 for him xbox for us

Starting point is 03:31:53 cool oh yeah stick drift yep yeah sorry that's a thing um so i really like the king kong 2 but i don't use it on pc mostly because i just haven't. I just didn't think of it. I just have it paired to my Switch and I just didn't think about it. Okay. Ian, in the spirit of the AI-heavy show this week, with the potential of AI providing scammers with more powerful tools, has anyone

Starting point is 03:32:17 thought of newer safety measures to take? That's going to be a big problem. It's a big problem now. All I've really seen is AI fighting back. That's the only new thing i've seen in that realm jared says i'm a brand new mainframe storage admin and i was super excited to see your z16 and mainframe mentioned last when do you foresee any other potential future uses in mainframe tech i mean i think i think luke kind of outlined what is going to be the the biggest one is these internal large language models like

Starting point is 03:32:46 that's the way i i think i think you're right i don't think there's any avoiding it i think i called it was that like three weeks ago when i talked to you in your office and i was like this is like my most long shot one so far yeah there's companies already doing it i thought it was like a year out it's 100 already happening so paul l asks ever considered consulting services like uh matpat from game theorist ltd's culture employee customer treatment are really powerful for professionals and orgs they often ground me when managing people i mean the way that i see it here it is you're asking me we're talking about it let's talk about it not for very long because this is rapid fire but the point is that um i don't know my uncle kind of sat me down and said, you know, the worst kind of business is a consulting business.

Starting point is 03:33:32 And I kind of said, oh, well, why? Because like consulting seems like it pays a lot of money. Consultants like that's a stereotype, right? As consultants make a lot of money compared to people who in a lot of cases are actually do things. Yeah, more qualified and actually do things. And he said, the reason the consulting business is the worst kind of business is because it's not scalable. If you want to double your revenue, then you can raise your rates.

Starting point is 03:33:55 Sure, you could double your rates, but there's a finite amount of doubling that you can do to your rates. So what you need to do then is you need to double your consultants you need to double your staff and at some point you collapse under your own weight unless you can somehow scale the consulting that you do to many many more many more people per consultant I kind of went okay so like YouTube then okay so we've solved this I don't need to be a one-on-one consultant anymore. I could just, you know, I could just scale.

Starting point is 03:34:28 And so everything we do here, we're trying to, even Wanshow, right? So how can we scale Wanshow? By doing it faster. Yes, thank you, Luke. That's very helpful. And also by chopping it up into clips. So, you know, by leveraging it to sponsors and also leveraging AdSense and also creating benefits to floatplane subscribers to subscribe for a better Wanshow experience with better audio quality. By creating merch messages so that we can create more content for Wanshow.

Starting point is 03:35:02 Thanks to you guys asking wonderful questions like this. So we're quadruple dipping on WAN Show. That's something that a consulting business is always going to struggle with because unless you can find and train consultants at an astronomical rate, you're always going to be limited to linear rather than exponential growth. Daniel asks, I was wondering if you could explain some of the benefits and drawbacks of building a home PC in a rack versus a tower. Tower is easier, better hardware compatibility. Racks go in racks.

Starting point is 03:35:37 That's the main benefit of them. What happened to the G Suite Google Drive backup? Too slow or too close to privateering? I think we ran into some issues with it. Jake would actually be a better person to answer that question. I think it had something to do with rate limiting or something. Yeah, and I think it was overcomable, but it was going to involve a bunch of hassle and scripting,

Starting point is 03:36:00 and realistically it was going to cost a bunch of money to actually take the data back out if we ever needed it anyway, and we just didn't really care that much because it's the vault. It's like a proof of concept more than anything. Charles says, are you concerned about Creator Warehouse working with other creators when they come to you with a product that you've either been thinking about making or a product you think you could do better?

Starting point is 03:36:16 Yeah, this is a very valid concern. Like if we're kind of, okay, actually there's a perfect example of this. We wanted to do a lighter for a really long time. We had some cool, fun ideas for a lighter project. Kyle actually talked about it in his float plane exclusive, meet the team. And, you know, I was looking at, you know, Hacksmith's lighter.

Starting point is 03:36:35 They have a, they have a one coming or something and we wanted to carry it on our store. And I was like, okay, are we going to be in an awkward position where if we release a lighter, they're going to feel like, oh, you buddy you're releasing your own lighter i mean i don't know i mean there's a precedent for it it's not like new egg doesn't carry rosewill cases which is their home brand and they also carry corsair cases you just have to be seems chill

Starting point is 03:36:58 with it like even more not that you aren't already but even more careful to not have things that could be perceived as like a copycat. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Michael asks, do you have any advice or regrets on raising children in regards to technology or the internet? Don't use it as a crutch. Talk to kids. That's the key. Joseph, I remember when the streams, not the camo coat.

Starting point is 03:37:23 We're talking about the camo coat again. A decade ago in high school, you inspired me to build a PC so I could play Planetside 2 and Battlefield 3. What is your most nostalgic gaming era? Google Great Games 2004, man. Great Games 2004. It's a thing.

Starting point is 03:37:43 I think my nostalgic gaming era goes back farther, though. I think it's more just like when you kind of crystallized, when you... 2004 was just a hell of a year, though. I'm actually like pretty... I think we've talked about this before. Did Warcraft 3 come out in 2004? Because I was going to say Warcraft...

Starting point is 03:37:58 Half-Life 2, original World of Warcraft, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, The Sims 2, Halo 2, Burnout 3, far cry the original counter-strike source battlefield vietnam uh star wars battlefront the one that people actually liked doom 3 metal gear 3 just like sid meyer's pirates fable unreal 2004 fable as well ninja gaten uh driver which i actually thought cool, but not everyone thinks is cool. There's a ton. Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2. Best year in gaming ever.

Starting point is 03:38:34 Splinter Cell. Pandora tomorrow. I don't know if that was great or not. Okay. It was a pretty wild year. That's fair enough, but I think for me it's got to be like SNES era. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 03:38:45 Yeah, I'm just old. I mean, that's fair enough, but I think for me it's got to be like SNES era. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm just old. I mean, that's fine. I like talking about 2004 because it was one hell of a year. All right, I replied to a couple text ones. Are they still coming in? Yeah, yeah, you got to do one every 25 seconds. Come on, guys. Is that the rate?

Starting point is 03:39:02 Well, not today, but most of the day, yeah. Yeah, you guys were just basically treading water with these. I'm sorry to dump that on you. No, it's okay. We just got to keep pumping. We'll figure it out. With the current rise of AI technology, what do you think about students pursuing careers as web developers?

Starting point is 03:39:17 Oh, I was currently... I replied to that one. I said pretty tough right now. I'm not going to lie. It's pretty tough right now. We will still... Hold on. We will still need developers for like a long time

Starting point is 03:39:26 very long time people saying that it's going to fully replace developers right now are just wrong um speaking of that um i think you already replied to that one too yeah oh it's gone okay what's going on keep going i think we're all doing the same things on top of each other um but yeah we're gonna need developers for a long time there are to be companies that try to shrink because of this type of stuff uh they're going to run into some problems a lot of the things that ai development is currently doing is not like super advanced and a lot of it still needs a guiding hand from developers i do think junior positions are going to be the first ones to take a hit i think that makes sense um but companies will still need senior developers so

Starting point is 03:40:08 yeah get after it the recent examples of amd and intel gpu's performance gaining over time with driver updates the lab's going to test to make sure that the driver updates are keeping up with uh performance we retest for every review so, you're gonna always be able to trust that the numbers you're looking at from our latest content is based on the latest drivers. And Linus, how do you handle determining trustability in your employees? I tend to be, if anything, too trusting. to trusting um so i rely on processes and managers and hr to kind of uh you know monitor people's work and make sure that they're doing the right things in general i think we have a really good crew here um like it the at mark pippin is missing yeah but it never occurred to me that someone would have stolen it. It's probably a, like, mishap thing.

Starting point is 03:41:11 The box was super old and ratty. I think it was probably just a really unfortunate accident. Yeah. Are you going to be doing latency timing for different controllers? Yeah. Hmm. Well, it might be kind of challenging for certain um we're certainly going to try yeah do you have any plans on labs testing screen protectors no there's no plans for that right now i think that would in order to draw meaningful conclusions

Starting point is 03:41:41 you would have to have sample sizes far greater than what would be practical for us to test are you guys going to be looking at the new acer 3d screen they're using ai magic to turn 2d content into 3d um the new 3d screens that i've seen that are like 4k oled every other actually no there's ones that aren't OLED too. Anyway, the new Glasses List 3D that I've seen is kind of unbelievable. It uses camera eye tracking to know which eye is looking at it from where,

Starting point is 03:42:15 and then it's like some kind of shift thing. Anyway, the point is it can account for where you're sitting. It's kind of mind-blowing, and it's pretty cool. Have you traveled with your Steam Deck? If so, do you have a go-to mobile charging solution or other accessories that he can stuff in his backpack? Oh, uh, I just purchased. Yeah. I just carry one type C charger, the one for my laptop, and then I use it for my phone, my, um, INEO. Actually I've been using the Ally lately, but yeah, so for my Ally and for my laptop, it's like fricking awesome. It's nothing special.

Starting point is 03:42:47 It's just the one that came with my old Flow X13 laptop. I'm not that picky when it comes to chargers. Any plans for polo shirts for those of us nerds who need to wear polos at work? Also restock on tablet when? We have some really exciting work where coming we have what we're calling tech pants where they're like really comfortable and they like have pockets and stuff but they still look professional enough that you could wear them at a workplace that requires slacks

Starting point is 03:43:15 and then we also just have like some some just kind of basic very minimal or invisible branding tops that are that are going to be very work appropriate i'm going to interject i just want to answer this one vocally uh ryan n says what do you think about companies that block chat gpt for fear of leaking proprietary information what would you suggest to ease their fears um i cannot ease their fears i don't know where it went i can't hide it if you guys see that one hide it um i cannot ease their their fears. This is a problem that I've been mentioning for a while. Open AI is super transparent about the fact that they're reading all the responses and they've already had a leak of information. This is something that people should not really be doing.

Starting point is 03:43:58 It's up to your company to decide your security policies. If you put all this proprietary information on something like Google Docs, for instance, you're sharing it to a certain degree with Google and there are security implications with that. Does that mean you would trust OpenAI? That's a decision that you have to make. But I do believe, as we've mentioned a couple of times and even talked about on today's show, that certain companies with certain levels of data security are going to run local offline versions of these things because of those things.

Starting point is 03:44:32 So it's not an unfounded fear. So I can't dismiss it, but yeah. Oh, this is such a good one. Sebastian L asks, Hi Linus and Luke, I'm a store manager and an Apple premium reseller and would like to hear how you would sell Apple products or the brand knowing everything you do. Ease of use, build quality. This is not easy to use. My mom spent years with Android phones and

Starting point is 03:44:56 never really got it. Within a week of having an iPhone, it completely clicked and she totally understood everything and it worked fine. That, man, I don don't know i have not had the same experience yeah me neither but for some people it's a thing um i i probably would sell the benefit of i mean particularly the iphone i don't really think i could sell a mac very easily but the iphone is a pretty obvious one to me uh you just kind of don't have to think about it it'll it'll work for like six or seven years and then you can get a new one i would i would sell the longevity um oh i think you already did this uh block chat gpt thing luke you are a genuine role model i was trying to answer this through text i didn't want to i teach classes to help incoming cable technicians uh learn to install network infrastructure what would it be what what would

Starting point is 03:45:46 i it like to see in their installers what would it like to see in their installers to help make things easier um that's a really broad question how i was going to answer it is just like a drive and willingness to learn new things because it's an area that is like pretty much your whole job is maintaining what you have and also moving it forward with the constant march of technology if you have someone who's not that interested in learning new things in that position in my opinion unless they're in a space that doesn't evolve they're not going to do well you like constantly have to use new stuff so i know that's not something you can teach them

Starting point is 03:46:25 necessarily but it's a thing i do not have a 10-year vision charles dang it we're gonna try we're gonna try to still exist in 10 years that's the vision yeah exist um noah says i'm my friend and i are really excited for the future of qd oled we want to know how common you think the tech will be in the average user's monitor i don't know if if it'll be QD OLED or it'll be future technology. I'd love to see micro LED take over just because I hate the idea of manufacturing future e-waste, right? And OLED, even quantum.OLED has a finite lifespan and micro LED looks like it extends that lifespan significantly so I would I would like to see that take over ha question for you guys Landon what's a recent janky solution to a problem that was just too much effort to fix properly I do this stuff so often that I don't even fully

Starting point is 03:47:23 register everything anymore because it's just like how I operate. So I'm not actively thinking about like, this is the janky solution. It's just like, this is how I deal with problems. I couldn't get my webcam in the right spot on top of my monitor. took the cable and I, um, like I kind of like attached it to something so that the amount of weight was just enough that it wouldn't move at the spot that I need it instead of like doing it properly. It's just like kind of tied to another cable. So if that other cable ever moved, then it would move again. Like I didn't anchor it to anything real. So I did that today. Yeah. Nice. Yep. Oh yeah yeah this is not nothing

Starting point is 03:48:05 big but that's just how i live dealing with every single thing like fully officially properly is just not not very efficient and not necessary in my opinion um no i don't really recommend a ton of baby tech just like a baby monitor is nice to have but don't go overboard this is stuff you're only going to use like the infant stage like six to nine months and then that's it and then it's just e-waste like don't don't overdo it jordan i got i got one that i want to answer verbally uh luke i'm a bios engineer specializing in security on the motherboard that got hacked for complete security it's best not to keep the board boot kits are becoming more Where to go boot kits are becoming more common namely black lotus ah

Starting point is 03:48:53 This is this is the trouble like we we had that short go out where we smash the SSD And there's a bunch of responses being like couldn't you have saved it wouldn't have been possible it is possible It would have been okay probably actually probably very probably it's also technically possible it wouldn't have and it wasn't worth the risk so we didn't do it uh this is another situation where like now i'm getting a bios engineer telling me to throw the motherboard like the plan right now is to resolder the chip not to throw out the motherboard i'm pretty certain that is fine i do not believe we have to throw out the motherboard i think if we completely replace the chip it should be okay maybe i should should be this makes me want to look into it i'm

Starting point is 03:49:36 not aware of any other storage on a motherboard me neither so like it should be fine um what i've been trying to figure out is is flashing it fine no it's not no you're sure yeah okay then yeah i guess we're re-soldering the chip because i don't want to throw that board away that's too much waste and completely replacing yeah as far as i know the only form of storage on the board it should be fine like genuinely should be fine as far as my understanding goes i have never heard of shift phones me neither oh they're headphones that makes oh no there's also a phone um okay yep no idea never heard of it uh neat thanks anonymous uh anthony what resources website and online communities to use to keep up with AI?

Starting point is 03:50:25 I mean, honestly, it's just everywhere I look these days. I don't really have to go out of my way. Luke. It's just you use Luke. Yeah. It is literally everywhere, though. Like, I don't know. It's all over the place.

Starting point is 03:50:37 Hey, thanks, Carrie. Rainier says, I could really use a way to redeem all these gift cards I've been collecting to store credit on my LTT account please well you could buy something what do you mean Ashley huge fan of the WAN show and just wanted to say thanks for adding women's undergarments to the LTT store

Starting point is 03:50:57 my girlfriend and I have both been waiting to buy a pair heck yeah I'm really excited for our next his and hers undergarment project Okay, I'm just gonna leak it matching strawberry print The internet wants the gamer socks, sorry programming sucks Steven ah my daughter and I love the show. We're in the UK and every side. Oh, okay. That would be just a show Yep, okay my daughter and i love the show we're in the uk and every side oh okay that would be just a show yep okay uh oh uh all hail the ltd backpack says jonathan d late at night a car pulled into my

Starting point is 03:51:33 lane and immediately stopped i had to brake hard and my backpack with the laptop went flying at my glove box it survived heck yeah a feature i'd love to see in merch messages being able to typing it up oh okay just built my first pc with the ltd screwdriver heck yeah what's the one thing you want to sell on ltd store but isn't practical in some way the desk that we've designed these like super cool cable-less desks and they're just they're too big and impractical for us to figure out how to build and ship right now casey says greatly appreciate your videos and banter find myself disappointed in robot lawnmower technology ai vision tech is somewhat here for this possible home video we actually have one coming

Starting point is 03:52:13 we did a sponsored video with um ecoflow it's pretty cool it's coming along i wouldn't say it's like a no-brainer that everyone should just buy one by this at this point in time but it's coming along i wouldn't say it's like a no-brainer that everyone should just buy one by this at this point in time but it's definitely coming along um background playback is definitely something that we are working on but it's going to take some time oh wow people are people are moving things let's move them uh but but gianluca hi i'm from italy what do you think about the fact that the privacy guarantor, a government entity, blocked access to chat GPT? Oh, I did not see that.

Starting point is 03:52:50 And so I don't have any thoughts on that, but that's kind of wild. Considering short runs of gear with custom brand instead of the LTT logo, if people were willing to pay a premium. I mean, Creator Warehouse exists in order for us to do that. So you would have to get in touch. And I think we have a site that we're going to do that. So you would have to get in touch. And I think we have a site that we're going to launch that sort of talks about those services more in the future. But yeah, that's absolutely something we would do.

Starting point is 03:53:13 MLA tech. Oh, you know what? The last gen of TVs was so good that I just have not really felt like I've needed to look that closely at the new gen. I think we have examples coming from Sony, Samsung, and LG for a roundup, but it doesn't seem to have been the huge leap forward that the previous gen was. Okay, and I think that is pretty much... Oh, no, this is interesting.

Starting point is 03:53:44 Okay, last one. Garen says, managed to catch a live show. Whoop, you have a wealth of knowledge. Okay, yeah. Have you ever considered seed funding or mentoring smaller tech space creators? I don't know.

Starting point is 03:53:58 What would that even look like? Like, I don't want to make them like... I don't want to make them like, I don't want them to feel like they owe us something. We've definitely, we've got LTX coming up where it's a chance for people to kind of get together and collab and network. That's something I guess we're doing. We're paying airfare and hotel for a lot of

Starting point is 03:54:25 creators to to come and kind of meet up obviously there's a benefit to us it makes our event cooler for the community as well but like i don't know i think the best thing we can do is just be an open book like i got a lot of feedback that our videos about how we make money have really helped guide smaller creators yeah there's a um i'm still kind of learning like 100 what it is but there's a student run thing for harvard and mit students called prod um it's a student run non-profit that's like somewhat of a startup incubator for MIT and Harvard students. And I'm helping doing mentor stuff with them. So yes.

Starting point is 03:55:15 I think that's it. Thank you for tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Duration's 420.

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