The WAN Show - I Got COVID... - WAN Show April 22, 2022

Starting point is 00:00:00 What is up ladies and gentlemen? Welcome to the WAN show. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you guys today. Absolutely. I will be apologizing to Elon Musk again. Nice. Better. Every week.

Starting point is 00:00:16 And also not entirely. So if you enjoy that, then congratulations. You are alone. If you enjoy that, then congratulations. You are alone. In other news, Dell has created a proprietary DDR5 connector, and it might be a good thing. What?

Starting point is 00:00:38 Yeah, that's absolutely what we needed. Also, we are not introducing the labs leader today. We are pushing that back another week uh so hopefully you'll be able to tune in and see that next week um and other than that europe inches even much more closer to uh usbc on iphones which is fantabular we've been talking about that for a long time uh and uh but what one should i intro i don't know we're gonna talk about so many other things it's pretty clear that we are never going to introduce the leader of the labs and they do not exist yeah it's just a strategy to keep you guys watching the land show week after week after week we should just never yeah we should just never

Starting point is 00:01:22 reveal who it is um anyways yeah gpu no i'm not going to intro that one google is banning third-party call recording apps on the play store which is actually actually kind of interesting but yeah yeah let's go ahead and roll that intro ladies and gentlemen wait are we even gonna talk are we gonna acknowledge our guest not right whoa not yet oh okay okay okay, okay. Roll the eardrum. Hit it. Oh, I guess I have to. Sponsors. sponsors you gotta un you gotta unhide them you gotta show them there you go and then hide it show another one there you go yay oh geez yeah thanks

Starting point is 00:02:20 we did it we're back we're here totally professional show i absolutely love it yeah it's fantastic why don't we jump right into our first topic today which is to introduce our special guest who i unfortunately did not have the pleasure of meeting in person shank mods shangmods hello the best guest reveal ever i know right i was here the whole time hey how's it going it's going good it's been a crazy week definitely crazy week do you guys want to talk about what you did so um i don't know how much well not in too much detail yeah no i think no let's get some detail because the reality of it is i don't really know what happened okay so shangmon's reached out he's like hey it'd be super cool to do a collab and i'm like well first i didn't reply to your email for like a month well colton did so it's

Starting point is 00:03:19 all good sure so anyway once i finally clued into the existence of this email, I'm like, yeah, that would be pretty freaking awesome. What are we doing? And we kind of nailed it all down and figured out that you were going to fly out here. And we were going to do an RTX 3090 gaming PC, right? In a Hot Wheels PC case. And then you got here, you brought the case, you brought the plan, and I got, I brought COVID. So I didn't get to participate at all. And then apparently you were

Starting point is 00:03:54 like, oh, Linus can't be there. Well, that's okay. Who was your backup? Who was your next Linus? So I was actually, we were working with Alex, because you were going to host and then Alex was going to be the one who was like working on the video like he was going to be the one like doing a lot of the engineering stuff and then

Starting point is 00:04:17 and then when like the day before I flew in Colton was like oh by the way Linus is sick. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. One quick thing. I'm allowed to say I have COVID, but we can't disclose any particulars about anyone else's medical condition.

Starting point is 00:04:33 I'm sure Alex doesn't care what we say, but let's just say Alex couldn't make it to work. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. okay yeah so um and then so it was out i was talking with um colton and now he he was like yeah alex isn't going to be able to make it to work and then i'm like okay well at least we have anthony right then he's like about that and then like whenever whenever um we were at the door and he was uh scanning in um and then his key didn't work and i'm like did you get fired for real this time like are you gonna leave me too

Starting point is 00:05:14 it's gonna abandon you outside of the building good luck yeah so um less than half of the writing team is in office this week this has been the week from absolute hell. We need to definitely get a shout out for James this week, who I had a conversation with. And he's like, okay, realistically, I have so much to do this week. There is no way that we can conceivably do anything other than just put Shank mods in a room. And all of a sudden he's hosting an ltt and i'm

Starting point is 00:05:46 like no no hold on hold on you know he's actually a great content creator i know i'm talking about you as though you know we're not right next to each other right now because shank mods yeah 100 like great you know actual good youtuber and all that but he he doesn't make ltt videos like we need we need somebody on set who knows yeah our style yeah my my content's very different it was that was part of why i wanted to i wanted to kind of see how you guys your machine works behind the scene to kind of yeah your thunder so you ended up with you tinen from creator warehouse who has never been involved in video production on our side at all, stuck in a room trying to mod a case. And I was like, no, no, James,

Starting point is 00:06:29 you need to be there because you're the only one on the writing staff who's actually in. The only people in office were James and then our two newest team members, Plouffe and Adam. And they were both busy trying to get

Starting point is 00:06:47 videos done for this week because we had no other freaking writers um now some people were working from home but it's still more challenging and then our most prolific host obviously wasn't in so i want to hear more about this oh right so i wanted to say shout out james for making it work being able to be on set with you guys. Do you think it was helpful having him there? James was awesome. James did a great job of helping kind of like piece the whole thing. Me and Tynan, we had the build totally covered.

Starting point is 00:07:18 Like we had a plan. We had the stuff all sorted out. The one thing that, but James was excellent because he was able to tie it all together into a story to really make it content which was like he had kind of a overarching you know idea for kind of the narrative and how we were gonna show it what shots we needed and all that stuff and we handled the build stuff because uh build build the builds are more my specialty whereas right unless so i'm like i i always tell people i'm not really a youtuber i'm like a modder that makes videos so yeah that makes sense and you know what i told james i was like dude if you are not on set

Starting point is 00:08:01 we are gonna have a whole bunch of footage and we are not going to have a video. Yeah, it is going to be worse. Yeah, like I was telling I was telling this guy over here, Luke, I was before the set. So for my virtual boy video, I just take my camera and I point it at my desk and I just have it rolling. And I had about a terabyte and a half of 1080p footage for that video a terabyte and a half yeah yeah I had to buy a new SSD to fit it all like on the edit drive like I had to buy a separate like edit drive to run it run it off of that because my boot drive filled up so i'm like oh okay for that video so i hate it so much oh man so yeah i'm digging through all my but the

Starting point is 00:08:54 thing is if if like when i fried my screen i caught it on camera like i just have to watch and i'm like what month was it when my screen blew up again? Like, you know, and watch back through it like quadruple speed and then listen for me being all angry. And I think I found it. Yeah, Trevor W. says, sounds like you need a NAS upgrade video or something. Yeah, maybe. That'd be pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:09:20 We've got potentially a few of those. I had Dankpods reach out to me about a server or NAS upgrade video at some point as well. Really? Yeah. I guess maybe I could drop the news that we're working on one for Dream right now. Oh, hey. There you go. Yeah, so that's pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:09:39 Yeah. Yeah. I should build myself a backdoor into it so that I can dig through his pictures and find out what he looks like. JK, dude, that is absolutely not going to happen. I'm 100% respecting your

Starting point is 00:09:55 not wanting to. Yeah, 100%. Also, we're not even configuring the software on it. I wouldn't even be able to if I wanted to. Hardware exploits. But yeah, I'm pretty excited. Oh man, oh man, oh man. Floatplane chat, floatplane chat.

Starting point is 00:10:12 But did he cheat Linus? I'm going to be honest with you guys. I do not... I'm sure Linus has no idea. Yeah. It's so not surprising to me. I don't know if there could be something less meaningful to me than

Starting point is 00:10:29 cheating at I shouldn't say this I was going to say anything less meaningful to me than cheating at a single player game because technically speed running is not a single player game it is a multiplayer competition that can be a single-player game.

Starting point is 00:10:47 And so did that happen? Frankly, I just don't. I just don't care. I know that community is probably still mad. I shouldn't say probably. It's very clear to me from reading the chat that that community is still mad. Probably. It's very clear to me from reading the chat that that community is still mad. I was going to say

Starting point is 00:11:05 next video coming soon to LTT apology video to the speed running community. Yeah. No, mad respect to the speed running community. No way. I'm just saying that as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to make that video

Starting point is 00:11:21 please. No, no, no. As far as I'm concerned, this is a content creator that has done a lot of other stuff as well who needs a NAS. And it was an opportunity, I'll just put it this way, to build a very, very fancy NAS.

Starting point is 00:11:40 A real NAS. Even I'm like, whoa, look at at this thing you might call it a dream nas oh very good you two puns you guys are both going at it yeah um i know right so okay shank tell us about the mods so um we so originally the idea came to me from when I was almost finished with the project, uh, I was doing lots and lots of feature creep and a guy, he goes by the alias, Jeffrey, Jeffrey, Jeffrey. He mentioned to me, he's in the small form factor PC community. He said, yo, 30 nineties half length. And I'm like, you could do it. And I'm like, uh, but it's, but I was like, so close to like finishing where I like, I could have had to like do you could do it. And I'm like, uh, but it's, but I was like so close to like finishing where like I could

Starting point is 00:12:26 have had to like do a ton of work. So I'm like, you know what? I'll throw the bone at Linus and see if he's down to collab on this thing. So when I got here, the 3090 y'all had wasn't a founder's edition. So it actually wasn't totally half length. It was actually longer than the chassis itself. So that's like, wait,

Starting point is 00:12:47 hold on. Did we get you the ASUS one or I believe it was the ASUS one. Yes. The pre water blocked one. Yes. It's slightly longer. I didn't even know that. Yes.

Starting point is 00:13:01 So it's not because the, the founders edition has that like cut out there like for the thing yeah and then this one through it it um it's slightly longer than it so it's not the founders edition reference board we were able to make it work like it wasn't that big of a deal um but and we found found clever ways to uh fit that inside of there so it's got um we didn't wind up using the uh we didn't wind up using the flex i mean the the micro sorry the um sfx l power supply we wound up using two flex atx power supplies um and yeah we went with a practical solution yeah Yeah. In a 5,800 X three D you did the really cool, like acrylic back. We did that.

Starting point is 00:13:52 So we did an acrylic back as a test thing. It wasn't strong enough, but we did, um, the acrylic back to be able to test everything. And for the video, it looked really cool. Cause you could see inside of it and how like crammed everything is. And, oh, I'm so excited. i haven't even seen it yet yep we're sitting here going like tell you how i'm not going to tell you how um we did finish the build i'm not going to tell you how well it performs or anything like that that's okay find out so ah man i'm hoping for the best no it's okay yeah so, so I've got...

Starting point is 00:14:25 I've also got some presents for you, Linus, here. Really? Yeah, I've got some presents for you. It's remote, but I do have some presents for you. Oh, cool. Oh, that took me a second. Okay. So, first thing is,

Starting point is 00:14:42 my girlfriend makes these little... She likes making stuff for pets. So this is like little catnip toys for the cats. Oh, I'm so into it. Yeah. My cat loves toys. Yeah. And loves catnip.

Starting point is 00:14:54 So we got that. And then. Thank you. So my brother designed these little dispensers where they're, I don't know if you can see. Erecting a dispenser. So it's a, they're googly um dispensers where they're i don't know if you can see erecting a dispenser so it's a they're googly eye dispensers they're like magazines so you can fit them in your pocket and then quickly pull out a few like they're like little coin things like they have at like restaurants but they'll pull them out it's like that but with so it's like pez yeah it's like pez but for googly eyes and candy you get googly eyes

Starting point is 00:15:26 entertaining googly eyes yeah so this one's this one's from my brother he makes uh he and then we did it in the ltt colors for you guys oh thank you so i also have um yeah this little uh this little keychain it's hard to see but it's a little circuit board gamecube joy-con i gave these away to people who mailed me letters for one of my videos for like a sponsor promo and it's like that's awesome it's a circuit board keychain so that's cool and then it was it cost less than a sticker yeah these are circuit boards like this size are cheaper than stickers like i went to get like die-cut stickers made and like these were cheaper. I can confirm stickers are extremely expensive. I remember Nick sent me

Starting point is 00:16:08 an invoice for our stickers like the stickers we give away on lttstore.com and it was literally a six figure US dollar invoice and I was like excuse me, pardon we're shipping how much on stickers?

Starting point is 00:16:24 Like what? I was not happy. the way you definitely have to like shout out where people can get this stuff because chat's like freaking out where do i get this googly eye dispenser where do i get catnip toys um well my girlfriend makes the catnip toys and the googly eye dispenser i mean if they're if people really want them we can uh hold on hold on can i interrupt you for a second yeah i asked her to get them and you're literally like my girlfriend my girlfriend yeah no no i'm like uh i i didn't plan for that i didn't like i didn't think this one through man i i they're like one off stuff i mean i could um i i could see if I could have a batch of the have a batch of the googly eye

Starting point is 00:17:06 dispensers made I could hit up so I guess uh follow me on twitter and I'll like sure at shank mods on twitter and like I'll tweet out whenever I have like googly eye dispenser stuff like I'm not promising anything but I'll I'll see if I can find a way to have those made for people. Now you're traveling right now. Do you know where your girlfriend is? My girlfriend is back home. I think you just invited like 6800

Starting point is 00:17:36 nerds to get in touch. You just might want to give her a call. She's clearly into nerds. Yeah I know. That's what I was about a call. That's all. Okay, yeah. She's clearly into nerds. Yeah, I know. That's what I was about to say. That's her type. So, like, yeah, we were joking, like, when she went to Micro Center, like, she was like, yeah, I got hit on by, like, way more guys

Starting point is 00:17:57 than, like, whenever I go to bars. And they were my type, too. And I'm like, yeah, so whenever you get bored of me, just go to Micro Center. Shop for a new boyfriend. Yeah have they have all the greatest technology they got gpus cpus yeah new bf bpus just just look for a graphics card and that that's what i always tell people like uh back when i used to work for fries like um whenever i had friends i'm like if you need help in retail just stand in front of something really expensive and then they'll they'll swarm to you like makes sense so I've got one more present

Starting point is 00:18:29 for you Linus this one's kind of a big deal this one's pretty cool thank you so you have it's not like super super so don't get super hyped but um I know you've been complaining about your watch. I complain a lot. Oh, I know. I watch Man Show. Okay. So you've been complaining about your watch and how you're like, man, I, oh, you don't have one right now. So you were like, oh, I hate, I hate how like the Samsung gear,, it doesn't last a day. And you said, I want something that just does notifications and all that stuff. I kind of miss my Pebble and stuff. Well, as a Pebble Time, two times Kickstarter enthusiast,

Starting point is 00:19:18 I've got you a Kickstarter edition Pebble Time. No way. It's not new, like i've got the charger so it's it says kickstarter on the back if you want more if you want the 10-day battery life you can track down a steal but i want you to give this one another shot because okay all right you will see it on my wrist you'll see it on my wrist well i want to see if it meets your needs because i've still been i've had this one my time steal for like the longest time and you can see it in my videos like the battery life you know even though lithium batteries decay and stuff but because it started with a 10-day battery life i'm still at like a week so yep um it's legit

Starting point is 00:20:02 yeah pebbles pebbles are. Pebbles are pretty cool. Yeah. So that's all yours. I'm super into it. Yeah. Pebbles lit. Yeah, we were. All right.

Starting point is 00:20:11 I'm going to give it a shot because the reality of it is most of the additional benefits of like modern smartwatches when they work at all are around health, right? Like health tracking. But I switched to the Oura Ring ages ago. And honestly, you know, I, okay, I haven't hooked myself up to a proper, you know, machine. I mean, that was a video concept we had years ago. We were going to hook up to like therapeutic grade equipment

Starting point is 00:20:40 and then also wear every fitness tracker, like consumer grade fitness tracker and smartwatch on the market and see which one actually got closest to real like health diagnostic equipment right and it was really complicated to get a lab that would cooperate with us we weren't gonna like stupid ubc local university was like yeah you can rent our lab at the normal commercial rate i'm like are you guys idiots well at first basically a research project like we're collaborating this is not us renting a facility from you at first they wanted to pay us and then and then like right before we were gonna go they were like uh actually psych can you you know do it the other way around and pay us to borrow our

Starting point is 00:21:22 lab and i was like wait what huh no i thought we were doing this like as a collab thing i even told them like you don't need to pay us yeah like we're providing all of this equipment and we bring the audience and you guys bring your equipment and some expertise we work together we publish it together with co-credit like we're just we're working together as like educators right now this is no we're just we're working together as like educators right now we're not we're we're not profiting from the data we could make any other video today i was so excited about that project so some background as to why they wanted to work on it was there's the in vancouver there's the seawall yeah and there's this thing where like old people that are trying

Starting point is 00:22:00 to stay in shape will will bike or run along the seawall and one of the problems is that they were they were noticing a trend where they would wear a wearable that would track their heart rate but it would under report their heart rate that's not good so they would be over exerting themselves and then they would have heart problems heart failures while they're running along the wall um so they like wanted to collab with us to work on this cool project and then they just yeah pulled the plug last minute. It's such a project that mattered a lot. Yeah. It was like actually really cool.

Starting point is 00:22:30 So I haven't compared to anything real, but from what feels intuitive, this is so much more accurate than anything else I've ever tried. Like it's not even close. I'd be on the badminton court running around. Luke knows how I play hard. And my Apple watch would be like, you need to stand up for a bit.

Starting point is 00:22:49 And she'd hear what Luke was talking about. Or I'd be driving and it'd be like, wow, great job staying active. What are you talking about? Meanwhile, this thing, it's in 15-minute chunks and it makes perfect sense

Starting point is 00:23:07 i can be like oh yeah that was when i woke up in the middle of the night and there was some physical exertion you know like you know you can really put together yeah what was i actually doing and it makes sense right um so if i don't need any of the health tracking stuff at all and i just want notifications quickly and to be able to tell the time the pebble is still the best solution yeah it's it drives me nuts that i haven't like seen anything else i i don't want anything like i don't want a dumb phone on my wrist i want like a better watch like um because like with all the smart watches they're just like cut down smartphones and they're like they pack on all the features that you know it's like they do all these things but like they don't do the things i want well which is like to have a week-long battery life

Starting point is 00:23:57 to have a screen that's always on that i don't have to flick it and wait for it to boot up you know and to tell the time yeah tell the time and then show the notifications occasionally control music and like be a watch like so pebbles are you know what i hope someone else makes a pebble like thing i still have a pebble time kicking around and i still use it almost every probably about every other day in the summer um i haven't actually tried to use it as a watch and i i honestly like the idea of going back to the og one to see if it's still better 10 years later almost what what are we at like eight years you're saying the the pebble time or the original pebble the kickstarter one that you just uh is that the og or is that the that's the og one right both of them both of them

Starting point is 00:24:45 were uh so both of them were uh kickstarters so the one i have is the second is the the second the time so the time oh that's the time the color one yeah so this is the time perfect okay because mine is trashed um i use it i i literally like it has all this residue all over the back. So it's not comfortable to wear against my wrist anymore, because I upgraded it. And I was like, Oh, you know, what's really great about this thing is the physical buttons on it. Because I couldn't I could never change the track when I was riding my bike. And I was like, Oh, I should just like basically glue my pebble time to my motorcycle. And so I did. And it's like kind of trashed now. So but there have been times now that I just haven't had a good experience with anything else that I've been tempted to just like try and try and get it going again. But no, yeah, if man, I'm, I'm jacked. Yeah, like I am. I'm jacked yeah like i am i am jacked to go back to it i'm gonna try it that's uh it's one of the few the pebble is one of the few technologies where i am like gung-ho like i'm like that and i'm also like a tube monitor nerd as well so like those two things are like two of the things where i'm just like oh yeah yeah i love it i'm excited

Starting point is 00:26:06 um all right well i think i think we're probably good there thanks for coming on the show yeah it was cool that you're able to show the presence uh yeah yeah at like 5 or 5 30 i was like i will start in like half an hour yeah no we've been been hanging out yeah it was fun though yeah all right my bad i'll head out thanks for having me guys yeah thanks for coming yeah i'm so sorry i wasn't able to like hang out in person but um as the title of the video says i like yeah got covid so it's i was i was telling them it's it's um it's i i think it's kind of you know i've seen the bright side of things where i've gotten to meet and interact with a bunch of the people I wouldn't normally. So like rather than interacting with the people I see on camera, I've gotten to interact with a bunch of the people I don't normally see on camera.

Starting point is 00:27:08 see how, you know, kind of the, you can see how to describe it, like, because it was an unorthodox thing, and it was kind of in chaos, I've gotten to see like more of it. And it's been really interesting to see like how more of kind of how the business operates and stuff. And also, it's, it's been really and also, it's kind of funny that i can like tell people i've been in like the most unorthodox um most unorthodox ltt collab ever because not only were none of the main hosts in it but i also walked to walked away with less computer because then i walked here because i gave like i came here with a computer leaving without one it's like the only collab it's like the antsy collab so i thought that was hilarious oh man well hey maybe we can make it up to you and do something together on the naz or something like that i'm totally down to do something else this has been a blast the whole team like you've hired here and everything like they're all so cool like

Starting point is 00:28:00 i hear a lot about them but it was was really nice to get to actually meet him. I say it. I say it all the time. The words that I use to describe my team that I think are best are world class. For sure. That's all there is to it. There's very few teams like ours that exist on this planet. And the fact that they were able to pull that off so shorthanded is absolutely incredible oh yeah i was um i'm i did not feel like i was did not have the manpower or resources or anything necessary i felt um extremely confident with uh your's killer. You'll see when you see the video.

Starting point is 00:28:46 Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah, the team's awesome. They pulled a rabbit out of a hat on this one. It was awesome. Oh, they can pull a lot of things out of a hat. I'll tell you that. Thanks for having me. I'm going to head off.

Starting point is 00:29:01 Alright, thank you. I'm just going to uh amazing absolutely amazing and i will turn this way to talk to luke now i have two microphones i have dual microphone power yeah that's funny sure yeah let's go with right there okay all right do you want to jump into our first topic which i guess our title topic is i got covid yeah it's been not that bad um i've had a lot of people express you know concern and everything for me uh the first couple days pretty rough really bad sore throat wicked headache so i guess i have one of the super headachy variants i am i am vaxxed boosted and then second boosted so uh you know hopefully that is part of what helped me go this

Starting point is 00:29:54 long and oh man can i just can i just get out ahead of anyone in the chat that's like see the vaccine doesn't work uh no vaccine is perfect they like have different levels of efficacy and and it's all like very well documented no it's not perfect it reduces the severity of symptoms and and the the the risk of transmission goes down but oh man i just i gotta tell you not just the like elon musk stuff lately but i feel like I've been in kind of a spicy mood for a little while. Yeah. That has been causing me to just kind of go off on people. But man, there was this like, there's this like guitarist

Starting point is 00:30:37 who was talking about how something, something, they like didn't, they got it and weren't vaxxed and they were fine I forget what it was but like something something something Oh no I remember it was their tweet was Admit the vaccine does nothing Or something like that In response to me saying I got COVID

Starting point is 00:30:57 And I'm just like Admit that you know absolutely Nothing about statistical analysis And the scientific method. Go. Like, sample size of one, literally. And so, yeah, I just haven't had the kind of patience that I feel like... I like to think that I normally have for things.

Starting point is 00:31:20 And maybe it's time to kind of have this conversation that goes, I've been trying some different medications for, am I frozen? Can you even hear me? I can hear you. You don't look frozen on my side. Okay, cool. Perfect. Well, that's really good because I seem to be frozen here.

Starting point is 00:31:36 So that's fine. Anyway, I think it's probably time to talk about it. I mean, I was very obviously not in a good headspace when I did my 10 million subscriber video a couple of years back now, I guess it was. And over the last little bit, I've been experimenting with some different mood-altering pharmaceutical strategies. And I appear to be receiving a call? or is that coming in through my headphones? I think that was coming into your headphones. I was receiving a call. Cool. All right. So yeah, I've been trying a couple of strategies lately. And when you're

Starting point is 00:32:18 weaning on and weaning off of these kinds of mood altering medications, it can be very, uh, you might not even feel like there's anything different. Uh, you might not even feel like there's anything wrong, but you can be, you can be a little off. Um, and I think I've been a little off for quite a while here. And so, you know, it's not an excuse but you know i realized it was really a problem when i like went off on a youtube employee who happens to work on the mobile creator studio app team basically kind of i said something along the lines of I had a call with you guys 18 months ago where I walked through a lot of the issues with the changes that you guys kind of suddenly

Starting point is 00:33:11 started making after ignoring this app for a very long time. So I kind of walked through some of the issues with the changes you were making. Some of the issues that have existed for a long time that you guys are not fixing. And I feel like it's been completely ignored. And here are two more things. That are either broken right now. Or that you appear to have intentionally broken.

Starting point is 00:33:34 And I basically like flew off the handle. I am very frustrated. But what I realized is that. While my frustration is justified. The way that I am reacting to it is not justified. Right. So it's been a bit of a ride lately. Gotta separate the people from the machine a little bit.

Starting point is 00:33:56 Yeah. And like easily offended millennial over in Twitch chats. Like, yeah, the doctors treat you like a guinea pig. Well, yeah, because you guys got to understand that like these kinds of blockers or, you know, whether it's a blocker or whether it's a supplement, um, it is a highly experimental process to find something that works for the individual because everyone's body chemistry is a little different, which is just another way of saying, Hey, everybody's an individual. We're all different. Right. So yeah, it can be very challenging. Um, so the thing that i

Starting point is 00:34:25 was really upset about with the creator studio app i have actually i have since uninstalled it because what i realized is that it's honestly just causing me it's causing me grief to use a tool that it feels like every couple of months gets worse and the problems with it don't become better and so why do i keep looking at it maybe it's just not healthy to be looking at the stats this often anyway so i'm just going to switch to using the desktop creator studio but the recent change that made me extremely angry was that they removed the subscriber change over the last 28 days from the home page of the dashboard and replaced it with your memberships change. And it's like, hey, can you guys please stop taking useful information that I need and

Starting point is 00:35:13 hiding it away behind useless information that I don't need, which has been an ongoing pattern. I used to be able to see the likes and dislike counts for a video just in the content menu as I was scrolling by. So I could see like, hey, how's sentiment doing on the last few videos, just like kind of at a glance. And now to find the dislike count, I kid you not, you have to click on the video, click over onto analytics, then you have to go to engagement, I think it is it's either engagement or audience engagement I think then you can see the ratio so then you can open up you can multitask

Starting point is 00:35:51 open up your YouTube viewer app navigate to that video or I think from within the analytics you can go back to that content and and open it up in the YouTube player app from there so either way it's two actions then you can see the light count so then you can see the light count. So then you can open up your calculator, calculate it, and then you can finally get it. It's like this nine, 10 step process where I just want to know what the sentiment is like on this video. So between, so they just keep hiding things away. And it's this, it's this slow and steady march towards reducing our access to the data that I feel like we need to help us do our jobs.

Starting point is 00:36:29 And adding features that are not useful from my point of view, anyway. Fair enough. So I was really frustrated. And it's little things like youtube has been eroding and eroding and eroding the data transparency of this platform the entire time that i've been on it and they've been eroding and eroding and eroding creator control the entire time that i've been on it and the fact that other creators aren't as frustrated as me is in itself really frustrating. Like, why wasn't there absolute outrage when YouTube threatened Social Blade with legal action for holding more than 24 months of creator stats live on their site? You used to be able to go and find any channel and chart its rise and fall.

Starting point is 00:37:25 And then you could go and you could like go onto the channel and you could look at, okay, what was the style of content when it started, when they started to decline? Like you could look and you could see big trends on the platform, like the rise and fall of, of pranks,

Starting point is 00:37:38 for example. And you could, you could track this and you could, you could make decisions about how you want to run your business. And instead, they are hiding that away. They're hiding exact subscribe counts. Yeah, this is great. Who is this on Twitch chat?

Starting point is 00:37:57 They hid estimated monetized playbacks from immediate view in the revenue tab. So you can see the way that the tide is going. And I just, I went off on someone who's not controlling it, to be honest with you. I think that this individual controls some of the things that I was upset about, but they certainly don't control all of them. The overall direction of the platform to be, I think really just more revenue focused and less YouTube, you know, is just very clear. And so I got really angry, not because it was so much work for me to go and see what the net subscriber change on my channel was in the last 28 days. I got so angry because the thing that it was replaced with was this members memberships stat. That most people.

Starting point is 00:38:45 Do not heavily use. But I can see the direction that we're going. And I'm just. I'm just so f***ing angry. That we can't. Clearly the writing is on the wall. For subscribing to a channel. In general.

Starting point is 00:39:01 It already is just. What they might call. an indicator you know or a marker it's it's just a data point you know it's not actually a subscription yeah the bell helps the bell is kind of the actual new subscription yes the issue with the bell is that actually getting a notification every time a channel does anything is not necessarily the best. I would just want you to immediately drop everything you're doing and look at what I've done the second that it drops. But a notification in real time is not necessarily the best solution. Do you have any idea how few people actually click those notifications and immediately interact with the content? Oh, it's probably tiny. I want you to guess.

Starting point is 00:40:02 Take a shot at it. 15. 15% of the people who get it? Yeah. That's your guess? I want you to guess Take a shot at it 15 15% of the people who get it That's your guess? That's the shot I'm taking I have no idea at all Let me see if I can find it Okay, so here's a video

Starting point is 00:40:15 Called I want to love Apple But they're making it hard It has 2.6 million views From 2.1 million unique viewers Okay There were 974 000 bell notifications sent wow we got and i kid you not uh here it is 11 500 views 11,500 views from bell notifications.

Starting point is 00:40:48 To be fair, I use bell notifications, but I don't watch YouTube on my phone. So I'll get a notification for a channel. Especially, I will mostly bell notify on channels that upload extremely infrequently. Because I find that if I don't click on one of their videos, they're just gone forever. So I want to click on one of their videos they're just gone forever so i want to know when one of their videos come through but i'll see the notification come in and then i'll bring it up on my computer so that wouldn't count as a bell notification thing i

Starting point is 00:41:12 don't think um it's like it's really hard i suspect most people are not disciplined enough to see a bell notification and then like remember to go look at it. And that's a big part of the reason that Google has shifted from emphasizing subscribe and ring the bell to not. And here's the really scary part of that is if you're one of those people who has the bell rung, right? And you get that notification and you don't engage with it or you engage with it for five seconds

Starting point is 00:41:41 and you're like, oh, I'm at my bus stop. I got to go. And you close it and you abandon it that is actually a much stronger indicator for the platform that this is bad content that is going to affect the way that it gets served to the other oh like that individual video because they're like oh you're 99.99 oh wow it's going to make it less likely that i'm going to get to be served to other people. The bell notification is like, so here's the thing. I get it.

Starting point is 00:42:12 I get why subscriptions have become the way that they have, because it's clear that the recommendation algorithm is so much more powerful and is clearly a better user experience, or at least a growing user experience compared to the old way but i don't feel like it has to be replaced with memberships you know it's just it's just very obvious that instead of youtube being willing to lead and have its own identity as youtube it's just looking at other platforms whether it's twitter with their super platforms, whether it's Twitter with their super follows, or whether it's Twitch with their emphasis on live gaming, or whether it's TikTok with short form video. YouTube's just a copycat at this point. What's the last thing YouTube has done

Starting point is 00:42:56 that has been a clear differentiating move that has demonstrated leadership in the online video space tell me something yeah i mean i can't think of anything they they like initialized yeah sure i doubt they're gonna tell me something tell me something youtube has innovated guys and so that's why i'm so frustrated i rely on this platform and you know what? Maybe our relationship is not perfect. But I think there's a part of me that loves it. Right? Like it has changed my life. And I believe the world for the better.

Starting point is 00:43:34 So guys, can we stop f***ing it up, please? And so, yeah, I got real passionate about it. I got really angry. Because I saw, you know, I couldn't passionate about it. I got really angry because I saw... I couldn't even read comments. It was completely bugged on my device or my account. I don't know what the issue was,

Starting point is 00:43:53 but I could only see six or seven comments on a video. I had to go out to the player app for that. 18 months ago, I said, hey, there's still no way to see any kinds of stats or interact with people for stories in the Creator studio app i shouldn't have to go to the viewer app to create that doesn't make sense and they were like oh yeah yeah yeah this is like great feedback and then they sat and did nothing removed the ability to

Starting point is 00:44:16 um meaningfully compare data period over period now all i have is this like, oh, this is how good it is compared to normal. Even though I showed them, I used actual data from my own channel when I had a six month decline where everyone, partner manager, other contacts that I have at YouTube, my dashboard were like, this is normal, this is normal, this is normal because it's this rolling, it looks at your rolling average over the last little bit. And so if you're down 10% a month for six months, you could be down 60% with it telling you it's normal the whole time. And I'm like, no, this is not useful. I need to be able to track period over period so I can see how things are going. And it's like, it's this constant, it's this constant march towards feeling better. And I'm like, it's this constant, it's this constant march

Starting point is 00:45:05 towards feeling better. And I'm like, you know what, my mental health is not better. When you tell me everything is good, and everyone likes your videos, and then people stop watching them. And all of a sudden, I'm not making a living anymore. That's not going to be good for anyone's mental health. Oh, man, now I'm going off on it again. I was gonna say, I think you're I think you're starting to pop off the there there was some some examples that came up in in flow plane chat that i don't 100 know if they're legit or not but chapters the one that someone brought up yeah chapters chapters are restoring functionality they broke nine years ago we used to have annotations we used to have annotations. We used to have annotations. So you can actually create.

Starting point is 00:45:46 We used to do it, remember? It's just a new version of that. We'd create with the DVD menu screen with chapters. Now, the current implementation is better, but my God, that shouldn't have taken eight years. And then a fun, spicy one that I'll just throw out there is removing the dislike button. That was innovation, dude.

Starting point is 00:46:02 Sometimes innovation is taking things away okay that's following again all they did was follow other platforms that don't have dislikes yeah float plane chat guys you guys are going to start getting timeouts if you're going to keep talking about vaccine crap just cut it out yeah all right there you go um yeah so i'm frustrated and people are like oh millionaire problems, oh, millionaire problems. Yeah, they're millionaire problems for people who have 65 mouths to feed. I can't have my tools. Like, imagine you're a trades worker, right?

Starting point is 00:46:37 Okay. And every day you leave the job site, the homeowner comes and moves your tools around or like breaks them i'm just trying to do my job or just randomly like adds a restriction you can't use this tool anymore you know or you can use it but but you have to do a special dance before you use it that takes 30 seconds yeah you can only use nails that you purchased within the last 12 months any nails that are over 12 months old are not allowed to be used so yeah i was i was really frustrated and i was really angry but how angry i was and how i acted really opened my eyes to how i have not been level-headed um and i think this leads really well back into the last couple of weeks where we've discussed one Mr. Musk. So bottom line is, you know, I think that the messaging around the attempt to purchase Twitter, which may actually go through from how it's looking right now.

Starting point is 00:47:41 I think the messaging of I will save it. I will be the hero for free speech that the world needs. No, these are not direct quotes, but I think the sentiment is pretty clear. I think it shows a narcissistic personality with a messiah complex, and there's enough information about this particular individual that contradicts some kind of grand, noble goal towards improving free speech in the world that, honestly, it's just offensive to me that anyone even believes it for a second, you know? And the reality of it is that my head's not been quite on straight. And I went and I started drawing comparisons because I like, I read a ton and I don't always get every detail right.

Starting point is 00:48:31 And the way that my memory works is like highly associative. Like I will see, I'll see a spoon and I'll be like, Oh yeah. That one spoon that doesn't match. I remember where we got it. Like, that's just like the,

Starting point is 00:48:42 I just, I make jumps, I make jumps, I make connections. Um, and so, you know, like the, I just, I make jumps, I make jumps, I make connections. Um, and so, you know, this is,

Starting point is 00:48:47 this was, uh, this is a character that, you know, I, I find the fact that there's this, there's this worship, uh,

Starting point is 00:48:55 of this particular character who has made a lot of, not just mistakes, but in my opinion, a lot of, um, moves that demonstrate a character that i personally am not um i don't think is great there that's what i'll say um that i just i'm you know what i did is i just i started i started going off and i started taking things that were actually to do with you

Starting point is 00:49:21 know other billionaires that people worship for reasons that I think do not overcome the problems with these people or anecdotes that I had heard or things that I read three years ago and I don't remember all the details of. And so last week there was an attempt made to kind of set the record straight. Honestly, I didn't do a good job then either. So this week, here's what I'm going to say. I'm going to keep it really simple. We had the writing team put together a list of, you know, things that I either got wrong or were based on hearsay.

Starting point is 00:49:55 And I just want to clear it up, okay? So the claim was that Musk was not the original founder of Tesla. Tesla was founded by Mark Eberhard and Mark Tarpenning in 2003. Elon Musk was an early investor in 2004. He was the lead of the first round of investments, as far as my understanding goes. Correct. So there was some fighting about that founder title. some fighting about that founder title. I think I had said who, I think I'd gotten wrong,

Starting point is 00:50:28 who sued who. Bottom line is, founder, in my opinion, you can just be CEO. Why do you need to be founder when you literally didn't found something? You could make the argument that you were foundational, you know, or whatever.

Starting point is 00:50:49 To me, it's a silly thing. It's an ego thing. I don't think it's... I don't think it reflects someone who is healthy to get kind of hung up on details like that. And who was right and who was wrong with

Starting point is 00:51:06 respect to the the lawsuit and the argument about it i've got an entire page on it honestly i'm not going to read the whole thing to you guys because i just it doesn't matter the point is that i said some stuff that wasn't quite accurate okay but it's also just factually correct that mr musk did not found tesla in the sense that we would think of founding yeah i tried to look up like what yeah i tried to look up like what the what the definition of that was um and sometimes to be, it does get a little vague, especially when it comes into, um, when, when people start opening things up for these investment rounds and stuff. Um, it has definitely happened before where extremely early investors get labeled as, uh, founders.

Starting point is 00:51:58 I don't know if that's normal, but yeah, he wasn't like one of the literal initial OG people. So, but you know what? Maybe from his point of view, he feels like he should be because they wouldn't have gotten anywhere without him. So that's why I'm just saying like, yeah, here's where I got the idea from. It's not actually technically wrong in that sense. Um, but yeah, maybe he has an argument too.

Starting point is 00:52:29 I no longer care. I've moved on. Uh, honestly, it was just, I went back and I rewatched the clip. Like my brain was going two steps ahead and my mouth was way back here. The,

Starting point is 00:52:42 the thing with the whole like family treatment, um, back here. The thing with the whole family treatment. Really, I was talking about choosing better heroes, and the person who was really horrible to their family was Steve Jobs. That's not really open for debate. Guy was not a good dude. As far as

Starting point is 00:53:00 treatment of family goes. Now, this is all hearsay, but according to previous spouses uh elon's track record ain't perfect okay that's that's all i'll say just to be clear this is previous spouse right this is an end of one person yes yeah uh well two spouses crimes allegations of like poor living conditions when by own admission, this is great. He lives very frugally, but he

Starting point is 00:53:29 allows himself this one luxury of a private jet. Yeah, I mean, the stuff she was complaining about was like there only being peanut butter and stuff. Isn't she super rich too? Does she buy her own food? So it depends.

Starting point is 00:53:47 I'm not going to pretend to understand the relationship dynamic because I was not there. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe she could buy a new mattress. Maybe not. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:54:00 So that's it. So I, I have definitely, I have definitely seen bits that give me reason to believe that, um, he's not the kind of father that I want to be. Um, there's a, there's a bit about how during the first part of an infant's life, the kid doesn't really need him.

Starting point is 00:54:19 So Grimes is doing all the work and I'm sitting here going, uh, right. But like, it's, did it occur to you for four seconds that it might not be actually about the infant being helpful? Like, you know, I just like, I read stuff like that and it's just like, clearly it just doesn't have a clue. Right. Um, and so, you know, no, I don't have anything concrete,

Starting point is 00:54:42 but my vibe ain't great. So I'm still there, but I'm also, I'm not going to make any kind of assertions. As for the claim that Tesla dissolved their PR department, I don't really know why there's any debate about this. They confirmed it. We no longer have a PR team. And the fact that anyone thinks that that is defensible is terrifying to me. It's absolutely terrifying to me to think that corporations should just not have to answer questions and should just decide they're just simply not going to answer questions anymore. Here's a potential flip. There's no official PR team for ltd store like i can think of a lot of places that sell there is you can go on linusmediagroup.com and we have an email

Starting point is 00:55:35 called info at linusmediagroup.com that you can contact and ask a question of course we have a forward-facing way to talk to us yeah i mean there's a way to talk to us. Yeah, I mean, there's a way to talk. Like any decent company. There's a way to talk to Tesla as well. They didn't just dissolve the PR team. They made it so you actually cannot reach them. You can tag Elon on Twitter and hope you get a response. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:57 Like that is not, no, no, no, no, no. That's like actually not acceptable, especially for something where safety is such an enormous factor. Something where the costs for the customer are so high that when, you know, when a customer has a roof fly off the vehicle because of your shoddy quality control on the way home from the factory, allegedly, you need to answer questions about that people could have died this isn't just like some media company where you might be like hey what

Starting point is 00:56:31 brand of underarm deodorant does linus use because ed referred to it as cheap and i don't want to smell cheap you know that's the kind of questions people might ask us we don't we don't make life and death products so it looks like they have press at tesla.com so they literally dissolved their pr department so what does that mean i don't know because like the the thing that you brought up was that there's no way to contact them right but they i mean they have a contact oh do they just not reply to it i don't know there's press at tesla.com there's eu press at tesla.com there's apac press at tesla.com and there's china dash press at tesla.com so electrek can confirm tesla has dissolved its pr department technically becoming the first automaker who doesn't talk to the press. They have press emails.

Starting point is 00:57:29 Hold on a second. AC here, we had a contact there. They told us they won't talk to us anymore. Yeah, so actually we've experienced it firsthand. I don't just have to take Electrek's word for it. A Prime says, does Apple talk to us though? Apple is also an astonishingly arrogant company with a really bad attitude.

Starting point is 00:57:49 Fair enough. Apple, like Tesla, talks only to whoever they want to talk when they want to talk. Like, what do you want me to say? I mean, saying like, oh, Apple does it too. Okay, yeah. And what's interesting is Apple did have press contacts for us all of a sudden when they needed something. And as soon as they didn't need anything, they took off again.

Starting point is 00:58:15 I'm sure Tesla would be the same way. I can't help but think that a very large amount of companies... And our Stanley says the press emails go unanswered. Okay, so there you go. Okay. Well, I can't imagine there isn't a large amount of companies that are very selective about what press emails they respond to. I don't know if you remember back in the day, but...

Starting point is 00:58:35 Well, yeah, I mean, legal would have to review a lot of stuff. I don't know if you remember back in the day, but even when Oculus was a part of Facebook, it was actually impossible for us to talk to them until I started just like harassing Palmer Lucky directly. And then we were able to get responses. So the problem with this and the reason that I brought it up was not necessarily to say that there's no one else who effectively doesn't have a press relations department or who just

Starting point is 00:59:03 considers themselves above answering questions because really that's the attitude that we're showing here the reason i brought it up is because it does demonstrate an arrogance and a belief that you simply aren't accountable and it was while we were discussing that elon is supposed to be some kind of free speech, some kind of paragon of... And you know what? Yeah, transparency, I guess, is not technically free speech. But from my point of view,

Starting point is 00:59:40 they're both foundational pillars of a free society, I guess, is what i will say and so what i did was again my brain was two steps ahead of my mouth and i was making these connections and that's why i brought it up which is why it made no sense selvar said elon dissolved their pr because he felt it was a pointless cost as it didn't shift their rep at all right because their rep was bad because they kept doing stupid stuff and having like bad qc and kept having scandals now there have been times that i think that traditional automaker press has unfairly targeted tesla that's a fair criticism extremely yeah and lots of other groups as well he's he's a very uh i've actually been wondering how to phrase this over the last couple days he's a very

Starting point is 01:00:33 uh conflict is very heavy when it around him both in like support and uh attack like i i can't think of all that many other people who have had companies out there that are so public and so welcomed by so many people and then you have like people showing up to the tesla superchargers and like parking um internal combustion engine cars in the spots uh and like trying to like freak people out so that they'll leave the area. Like it's extremely, extremely contentious. And it's kind of hard to find articles. A balanced take. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:16 And we kind of added to that problem. Yeah, we didn't help. No. But it's very hard. Like I tried to do some research on a few of these things myself and diving into quite a few of them. I was like, wow, I really can't find anything that isn't extremely heavily editorialized.

Starting point is 01:01:36 One way or the other. Yeah, like just it's, yeah, it's pretty tough. If we slow down and look at the actions, right? Alex Clark is kind of mad in the Flowplane chat right now. He's like, hey, there's also the whole suing Top Gear thing. Yeah. Suing independent media is not cool, by the way.

Starting point is 01:01:58 They don't have to say nice things about you. You cannot work with them again, by all means. And you don't have to reply to their emails. What did he sue them for? I forget what the... You know what? I don't want to say nice things about you you cannot work with them again by all means and you don't have to sue them for uh he sued them i forget what you know i don't want to say i don't remember the exact details didn't they fake some stuff wasn't that actually like no he tossed well he lost a judge yeah i don't know yeah who knows um okay so then you know other things we talked about musk pumping up dogecoin i mean please anyone who's going to argue that that was a thing or was not a thing excuse me like come on

Starting point is 01:02:33 one thing we got definitely wrong was uh the starlink aid to ukraine tesla spacex covered a significant portion of that and that's Actually a lot. A plus good. Now you can get into a much bigger conversation around... Oh man, what's it called? When you whitewash your image or greenwash your image through a negligible amount of philanthropy compared to your wealth? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:03 We could talk about that but at the end of the day starlink is a really important product i mean yeah you have to be actually be an enormous good for the world yeah agreed and i'm yourself i'm happy that they're that they're doing that here and i'm sure to a certain degree it's going to act as an advertising piece because they're showing like look even in a crazy conflict zone it's working degree, it's going to act as an advertising piece because they're showing like, look, even in a crazy conflict zone, it's working. And like, it's really helpful for people. And like when all the other infrastructure is failing, this is working. Like that's obviously a fantastic advertising piece. And I'm sure there was at least a little bit of motivation to do that. But like, it's a little bit of a, an interesting path to go down um when to try to say like oh it's it's

Starting point is 01:03:48 i don't know using that as a negative thing i don't think is fair at all he was asked for it and he supplied it yep it's similar to it's similar to a few other things in this doc where people are like oh like he he did this thing and it like wasn't exactly the way that i would like it to have been done and it's like well he was asked for this thing and he supplied it yeah yeah like the like they provided what they were asked for so you know what that's something i got wrong i i managed to get misled by editorialized content about that whole saga and i'm sorry and then when people i make mistakes yelled at him about the ventilator thing because apparently it did end up being not helpful even though

Starting point is 01:04:30 at least he claims it was what was asked for um they turned around and after that they they worked with a company that produces the correct ventilators and they helped them like spacex apparently uh was like one of the few companies that could actually produce the valves that they needed for the ventilators and SpaceX produced a huge amount of the valves which was the most complicated component for making the ventilators for this company that makes the correct ventilators so that they could produce significantly more than they would have otherwise been able to and that like doesn't get any coverage which again I'm not trying to like be the weird nerd that dives in front of Elon to defend again, I'm not trying to like be the weird nerd

Starting point is 01:05:05 that dives in front of Elon to defend him because I don't think he needs it at all. I have, I am in no way interested in coming to the defense of billionaires. And you should know that if you've watched this show before, but I do want the attacks to be accurate and correct. And I think there is things to go after properly. And I think that should be all that is done.

Starting point is 01:05:24 Zypher says double standard much. He just finished telling floatplane users to stop talking about a certain something and now he's saying that independent media can talk about whatever they want. Which is it? Question mark, exclamation mark. There was a flame war. People were violating the terms of service of the website by personally attacking each other.

Starting point is 01:05:40 Yeah. There's a distinction there but you don't know that because you're not a floatplane elite. So enjoy. Enjoy YouTube chat or don't. What else we got? Yeah, we got not disclosing the stake in Twitter. I've got people wondering why that mattered. It mattered because it was illegal. That's why it mattered. Well, if you are a large public figure and you are hastily grabbing shares in a single company, making that public will drive the cost of those shares up significantly. And it is apparently, I don't know a lot about this type of stuff, but it is apparently the law that you're supposed to do that. And he didn't. If you reach a 5% threshold.

Starting point is 01:06:26 Okay, sure. Yeah, I don't know a lot about this stuff. But that would, like if people see like, oh, Musk is investing a bunch in Twitter, a bunch of people are going to also try to do that. And it's going to drive the cost up. And if he does not disclose that and people do not know that, it will at least somewhat aid in keeping the cost similar to what it was when he first started buying. So he illegally suppressed the value of shares that other people unknowingly sold, even though legally there was supposed to be a disclosure that probably would have driven up the price of those shares. So basically,

Starting point is 01:07:06 it was an example of what I consider to be extraordinarily unethical behavior and acting in self-interest that has been a pattern, whether it's Dogecoin or whether it's buying Twitter shares. I'm not impressed. And I don't have to be because illegally manipulating stock prices is illegal. So there's that. Yeah. All right.

Starting point is 01:07:36 Are A Prime and Alex arguing in floatplane chat? You guys better not be. I don't think so. I'm not sure. Okay. What were we're gonna say okay so there was the whole pedo guy thai cave rescue thing you know what i'm just gonna say that was way more complicated than we gave it credit for yeah so sorry i'm just never gonna talk about it

Starting point is 01:08:00 again unless i like literally hire a dedicated person to go in and dig up every everything about it yeah let's dive through the court case and like do all this yeah it's a lot okay and there's nothing in here about right to repair tesla is a horrible horrible company yeah when it comes to right to repair and that comes straight from the top uh that that much is just very clear so i do not like and oh man i was i was criticized for having a very us versus them attitude about it as though it's like it's like us versus them and i was also criticized for being an elite while criticizing the elite but i think the thing you guys got to understand is that it is us versus them when them do stuff that makes life worse for us and when i mean them and us i mean the people who make the cars we are talking

Starting point is 01:08:51 billionaires and people who buy them yes i am a millionaire i mean like obviously like there there are sites you can go on to see like it's just common sense we have 65 full-time employees i i am clearly uh hold on a second greg schneider spent a hundred dollars to send this super chat i watch every video and tell people to i buy merch first video where linus is getting political enough to make me consider stopping just sad stick to tech and don't create division what what was political here most of the show has been political is a is an interesting term these days i think it gets used for a lot of things but most a lot of the show so far has been um about very uh line dividing topics uh okay i like i don't know what to tell you someone elevating themselves to the detriment

Starting point is 01:09:59 of other people shouldn't divide people down a political line. That's just bad. I don't care if your name is Elon Musk or Donald Trump or Nancy Pelosi. It doesn't matter. If you are engaging in unethical behavior that enriches yourself at the cost of the general public, that's bad. Anyway, the point is, yes, I'm a millionaire. You can find that out very easily. Google is your friend. But I am not influential in the same way that the wealthy elite are. I can't change policy. We're talking me compared to a person who can change policy by just changing the policy. policy by just changing the policy. Tesla's stance on right to repair could change tomorrow with a tweet. I don't have that kind of power. So yeah, it's us versus them because I'm not on that side. I think the last thing that we have left is, I i guess that's it oh okay there was the whole thing someone wrote an article claim someone wrote an article musk didn't like and as he had pre-purchased a model x x musk took it upon himself to cancel the order um basically musk's take on this which

Starting point is 01:11:21 is still up on twitter from february 3rd 2016 Must be a slow news day if denying service to a super rude customer gets this much attention. I mean, I don't think it's necessarily just rudeness to be upset about the way that the launch of the Model X was handled. If you gave a $5,000 deposit, I think characterizing something like that as being rude um is dismissive um but yeah so there you go i am sorry for anything i said that was not factually correct and i'm just not going to talk about it anymore yeah we're done now? Yeah. Yeah. Let's be done. Let's be done. Let's be done. All right.

Starting point is 01:12:09 Speaking of done. Delve creates. Speaking of done. Oh, speaking of done, we are done launching. Do you have your screen share up? We are done launching a whopping. How many freaking new colors of water bottles do we have? Because these things are awesome.

Starting point is 01:12:25 And I got to say mad props to Nick and the rest of the Creator Warehouse team because, wow, the names for them are just outstanding. I mean, we spent so long, okay, coming up with the best names. We've got 12AM Green. Luke, are you screen sharing? Yeah. Am I just not able to see it? Okay okay do you want to show them the 10 new colors yeah new colors of water bottles i'm

Starting point is 01:12:51 going through it we got we got hero which is like purple and green uh sand storm which is it reminds me of like a like a mocha colored or like a like a coffee uh color there's circuit which is green makes sense also it has golden circuitry that looks really cool actually uh night which looks like it's purple with uh with yellow oh oh they said they do not see anything luke you are not screen sharing oh you're on studio mode so you got to push that there should be one of those button i'm a little blind but one of those buttons should be to make that the live scene instead of the the studio scene hey there we go okay i'm gonna go back through it again this is hero purple and green there's a story behind that by the way my mom made me a uh green and

Starting point is 01:13:37 purple cape when i was a child okay um and that's green and purple yeah makes sense makes sense. That's the whole story. It made me for some reason think of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I wasn't sure why though. This is the one that made me think of coffee. This one's called Sandstorm. There's Circuit, which is, I mean, green with gold. Makes sense. Yep, sounds good.

Starting point is 01:13:58 Night is like a purple and yellow. H202. Makes sense. White background. Blue printing. 12am green. Looks very like army drab. Blueberry pie. That's actually, that's a very funky combo. I have the, I have the hero one. But they're all kind of, they're all here on the table in front of me. But they're all here on the table in front of me. Cream Scream.

Starting point is 01:14:30 Looks like an almost day-themed line of Tech Tips colors. Sunrise, blue and pink. Violet. Cream Scream is because we didn't want to infringe anyone's trademark. Get it? Cream Scream? White and orange? Okay, gotcha yeah yeah not just like a violent climax light and black I think is pretty classic

Starting point is 01:14:56 yeah that one's old black and gold yeah okay so we're getting into the the more OG colors so I lied the names were actually just like come up with oh no you missed blueberry pie did i i think so i don't think so blueberry pie looks amazing it's purple and light blue yeah i think i just didn't say it but i showed it on the screen cool yeah so nick came up with these names in like two minutes oh well they're good so good job

Starting point is 01:15:22 nick yeah i think i came up with hero and we worked together on cream scream but other than that yeah nick just like came up with it uh but they're there guys go check them out let's talk some tech news shall we yes dell creates a proprietary ddr5 connector and my spicy take on this before we even get any further into it, is maybe that's not actually a terrible thing. All right? Now, this was written by Anthony, and I think he's editorialized a little bit in here, but I...

Starting point is 01:15:54 Just a little bit. Oh, no. Oh, wait. Under embargo. Wait. Oh, shoot. Alex added some notes here that may or may not be under embargo.

Starting point is 01:16:04 We just might not be able to talk about this yet this week. It's late, but I've seen him in the chat anyway. So I'm just going to call him. This is why I started watching? Fair enough. Terrible boss. Oh, okay. This is why I started watching.

Starting point is 01:16:21 Oh, okay. Hi, Mr. Clark. Yes? So am I allowed to say the things you said, or no? Yes, I've taken everything that's in there, and the stuff that I can't say is not in there. Okay, cool, so it's sanitized.

Starting point is 01:16:39 Yeah. Okay, thank you. Sweet. A lot more. Okay, cool, I'm excited. Okay, thanks. Okay, bye. Okay. Ah, love that guy. Okay, thank you. Sweet. A lot more. Okay, cool. I'm excited. Okay, thanks. Okay, bye. Okay. Oh, love that guy. Okay, so we're allowed to say everything that's in here.

Starting point is 01:16:51 Dell, a company once famous for its proprietary components, has once again created a novel way to do something nobody was asking for. A proprietary DDR5 module, writes Anthony Young. The module, do you want to bring up a picture, Luke? Called Compression Attached Memory Module, or CAM, is described as a compact way to replace two separate SODIMM modules with a single one. Which, honestly, sounds kind of cool, doesn't it? Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:17:20 Each module is split into two separate zones of eight chips each. So it's basically like taking two SODIMMs and gluing them together. And according to Dell's marketing, the machine that they're going to debut on, the Precision 7670, will be able to support up to 128 gigs of memory as a result. That's pretty freaking incredible. Dell claims that CAM allows them to provide memory upgrades and higher capacities without the need to solder the chips to the main board, which would prevent any upgrades at all. Unfortunately, it is not known at this time, prospective buyers, whether CAM will be an open standard, because if it's not then yes you could upgrade but you would be holding to dell here we go there's a good look at it so the idea is to save the the profile right

Starting point is 01:18:12 so you can still make super thin machines but not solder the ram yeah so to be fair to dell the precision 7670 is supposed to be an absolute beast with an Alder Lake HX CPU and either Arc Pro or RTX A5000 GPUs. So they're going to cost a small fortune and there probably isn't a lot of internal space remaining for expansion slots. But there's a twist on this. Dell's also got a proprietary graphics connector based on MXxm called dell graphics form factor which first debuted on the area 51m so there's a recent precedent for dell going down this path so luke what's your initial sort of reaction our discussion question is is this like one of those monkey paw situations right where you've been asking for upgradable laptops and you end up with like

Starting point is 01:19:05 this cursed solution where it's upgradable but i don't think i don't think we know that it's a cursed solution yet because they're where's the notes on this is was this taken out of the notes this is something that i'm concerned about yeah be careful just just try to answer it based on what we only knew from the initial articles covering it so far give you guys more detail in a sec um okay so this note is in the bolded alex note part but i can say that right uh yeah i can say things that are in the bolded alex note i wanted your spicy take right out of the gate on like a proprietary memory module but okay but the problem is ah there's important things in the in the alex note about that yeah but you didn't know that

Starting point is 01:19:57 yet ignore that pretend it doesn't exist look i'm gonna make life really easy for you and i'm gonna remove it so if the initial reporting on this was just what's up here if i only read the initial reporting which i don't which based on the additional reporting is not fair or accurate in my opinion oh my god but then i would say that it's bad i don't want i don't want proprietary components i don't want to buy a laptop that has something that i can't replace unless i buy that thing like when it's ram right because there is stuff that's very true like if you look at the uh the uh hyper text link for a company that it famously overcharges for parts there's ram in there it's like 16 gigs it's like a 500 um exactly it's it's it gets really brutal and i'm not a fan of that But that's potentially not what we're dealing with

Starting point is 01:20:46 Right, but the thing is Proprietary standards often lead us down these paths Right? Yeah And you are literally reinventing Because you gotta remember too It's not like Dell doesn't participate in JDAQ Right? So if Dell wanted an open standard it's not like Dell doesn't participate in JDAG, right?

Starting point is 01:21:05 So if Dell wanted an open standard for a dual module thing for laptops, it's not like they don't have the relationships to try to create something like that, the industry body standards way, right? So in general, every time we see a proprietary way to attach a thing to a computer, be it a GPU, a memory module, it's about typically locking the user into an environment as a primary concern with whatever else they were trying to achieve as maybe a similar level concern or even a secondary concern. So. There was a lot of trepidation around this move

Starting point is 01:21:49 yeah but we know these new things now alex got to have a meeting with the guy that designed cam today um some of the info we have is under embargo until such time as it is not under embargo. So we can't say too much, but Alex's take so far is that it is legit and they are in discussion with JDAQ and with Intel to make it a standard. And what that would mean is that instead of relying on Dell and their maybe handful of authorized partners who can make these things,

Starting point is 01:22:23 and we've seen this many times where the only place that you can get an SSD to go in your Apple machine is from OWC and maybe like one other supplier, which means there's very little competition and prices stay high. If they are making it an open standard, then what we could expect is that prices

Starting point is 01:22:41 might be a little higher than a regular SODIMM because it's just less, it's a lower volume part. So there's just lower demand, therefore lower production volumes, therefore higher prices. But I would expect the pricing to be at least close to, or at least reflective of the cost of building it, which is just twice as many DRAM packages. And it's going to cost more because it, which is just, you know, twice as many DRAM packages. And like, it's going to cost more because it's like way more RAM.

Starting point is 01:23:08 And okay, the PCB design overhead has to be covered and we're not going to sell as many units. But like, it sounds like it could be pretty reasonable. And one of the reasons that this could be a great move for the industry

Starting point is 01:23:20 is that currently SODIMM is one to two generations away from not being able to support increasing memory speeds and capacity. And the connector itself adds a lot of signal interference, as well as cost and Z height, which is the thickness that it adds to the overall design. Currently, if you have 128 gigs of SODIMM memory, four sticks. The speed tops out at 4,000 megatransfers per second. I mean, compare that to the leaked speeds in the article.

Starting point is 01:23:50 And Dell's talking about this thing doing 128 gigs of DDR5 4800 transfer per second using this standard. Well, that's freaking awesome! Or I think this is a rumor. Yeah. Other user recently heard photographs

Starting point is 01:24:05 yeah yeah rumor rumor yeah leak rumor who knows that was allegedly saying that they can achieve that so honestly i started out kind of angry and ended up kind of jacked actually on it yeah well when you hear like dell proprietary thing blah blah blah the the knee-jerk is definitely going to be like well this sucks a lot um well yeah they don't have a good track record for that oh absolutely not right so it's it's really nice to hear that i mean well hopefully this actually happens but it really nice to hear that they are um legit in discussion with jadek and intel and working on making it a standard and stuff like that so it doesn't go down that route because it sounds like cool tech that would be nice for like a range of

Starting point is 01:24:48 people to have um absolutely and and that's that's actually really exciting but yeah when you read like the first few lines of this it's terrifying oh i know right this is horrible i i know you didn't want to give me a take now that we know more but well no I didn't know like a week I didn't know what I didn't know what your plan was I didn't know if we were actually going to read the Alex part or not and I was just like I don't want to like condemn them if they're actually doing something that might be cool but yeah yeah yeah for sure because they would deserve it if the alex part wasn't in here like if that if that didn't exist at all and i don't mean just alex's notes but i mean like that concept

Starting point is 01:25:31 in in the slightest if they were just making this proprietary i would suck and i would want to go after them for it but oh 100 yeah are we ready to talk about how the gpu apocalypse oh holy crap response response i don't know how to access the Merch Messages dashboard. Oh. Can you send it to me? Sorry. Some of you may not have realized, but... I am not actually here.

Starting point is 01:25:59 It should be in your email, but I can fire it to you right now. If you want to just start the next topic hey mr bella vance has already hit me with it beautiful thank you so much for that we actually don't have a ton of curated merch messages today there's only only a handful most of them are just going getting pushed to the stream so yeah guys don't forget that if you if you want to chat with us super chats are really not the way to do it anymore over on youtube we we don't forget that if you if you want to chat with us super chats are really

Starting point is 01:26:25 not the way to do it anymore over on youtube we we don't really look at those anymore i mean i did notice that someone spent a hundred dollars to tell me that they they don't like me anymore that's a really good way if you want to really complain about like if you just hate me just just go at it but like tell me through merch messages buy stuff on the store um let her yeah merch messages are definitely better because then you like get an order yeah but anyway greg so i i actually i have one more thing to say to greg is like i don't think that i was creating division i think the division's there and i think the fact that there's a perceived division because of the things i was saying means that the division is just already there. If anything, I was trying to be extremely level this week.

Starting point is 01:27:10 It's okay for me to like, it's okay for me to not think someone is a messiah. And it's okay for you to think someone is. And like, whatever, it's, it's all good. But it is tech. That's the thing is you got to understand that these figures whether your name is tim cook or you know uh larry ellison or uh bill gates or whatever like these are people who who are tech you know you can't you can't say that something to do with um oh man i'm trying to think of you know know, someone who I would, okay, let's say, take Woz, right? Something to do with Steve Wozniak. When Steve Wozniak opens his mouth, or when Linus Torvalds opens his mouth, it's tech.

Starting point is 01:27:57 Whether, you know, no matter what they're talking about, it's kind of, there are celebrities, right? So we do talk about them yeah um we can have by the way even if you're still trying to get into the dashboard uh bells here no i'm good i'm good okay no no i'm good i'm good tesla using oh man i don't want to talk about tesla just yet that's the whole man that's the whole thing okay the gpu scalpocalypse may actually be ending sources pc gamer and 3d center oh we should talk through this one we should maybe do sponsors or or i was gonna do them eventually okay we've been live for an hour if you want uh yeah go for it. Okay. Thanks MSI for sponsoring this week's WAN show. The MSI Optix MPG321QRF-QD.

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Starting point is 01:30:26 How hard is it to find a community that really has knowledgeable people talking about networking and security best practices? I mean, it's actually not that hard. But because of communities like this. There are places on the internet that you can go. I mean, compared to... Okay, hold on a second. I mean, compared to finding a community to talk about the latest episode

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Starting point is 01:32:04 Yeah. Hold on. I want recording apps on the Play Store. Yeah. Hold on. I want your knee-jerk reaction. Knee-jerk reaction. Bad. Gut reaction. Bad.

Starting point is 01:32:13 Bad. My gut reaction is bad. Sorry? Say again? Why? Why? I would throw exactly that right back at you. Why?

Starting point is 01:32:23 Oh. Oh, okay. So now the burden of proof is on me no i just why would why would you remove it there are a lot of places where it's only only one person is required um to to consent to the recording of a call like genuinely extremely large amounts of places uh you only have to have one person required to consent to recording of a call does the legality of single party consent make it right i don't know but like why would they remove it i don't know well i mean okay let's talk about man i was reading a really like what if you want to record a call and you're so i think what you

Starting point is 01:33:01 were just talking about is like does the legality of it make it not morally okay well i think there's scenarios where you would want to record something and the person that is being recorded would not give you consent but you are still in the right to get this thing recorded but that's i mean there's also situations where it'd be very bad to record someone without their consent etc etc so that's a crazy rabbit hole i don't want to go down but completely removing the functionality of two people both consenting to being recorded being able to record their call is just like why i don't why would you do that i don't get it and like if you're if you're a big company or something like that you're gonna find a way to record your phone calls regardless so like it and if you're

Starting point is 01:33:44 super nefarious if you're like really trying to do like bad evil to record your phone calls regardless so like it and if you're super nefarious if you're like really trying to do like bad evil things by recording phone calls you're gonna find a way to record that phone call regardless spoiler alert it's incredibly easy you don't need one of these apps so like all you're really stopping is extreme layman which in a lot of those situations i feel like they would have consent on both sides. So I don't really get the point. If someone's actually trying to do something planned out that's really

Starting point is 01:34:11 not good, they're going to find the extremely obvious ways to do this without one of these apps. Okay. I read a really interesting article before the WAN show today that was not about tech at all. It was about front license plates.

Starting point is 01:34:29 Okay. The arguments for front license plates. Well, first, let's start with the arguments against front license plates. They make your car look subjectively uglier. Okay, that's one of the big ones. OK, that's one of the big ones. And privacy advocates argue that front license plates make it much easier to track the comings and goings of the greater populace and create models that could anticipate their move or that could monitor and then anticipate their movements. These are the arguments for the removal of front license plates. The arguments for maintaining

Starting point is 01:35:09 front license plates are taxation revenue. So obviously this is an argument that's made at a government level, not to individual users. Not taxation, but ticketing. Ticketing revenue. As well as law enforcement. So I think it's law enforcement

Starting point is 01:35:28 well hold on we're getting there hold on these are the arguments for why why we should keep them um and basically it's it's better law enforcement so easier to to track down a vehicle when you can identify it both coming and going. And then increased government revenue from more accurate law enforcement, essentially, really. But then, what's great is that this org, Front License Plate, I forget what it was called,

Starting point is 01:35:55 Front License Plate Orgs of some sort, is actually owned by 3M, who is one of the largest license plate manufacturers in the US.S. Lobbying! Yeah! Yeah, right. So here is why I think that this article was really interesting

Starting point is 01:36:18 and applicable to what we're talking about now. Now, this privacy versus utility sort of, you know, whose privacy is more important? may or may not have given consent, where the laws may or may not exist to protect that person, right? Is that person's privacy a priority? Why does the law necessarily matter? And if that person's privacy isn't a priority, well, what about the non-privacy rights of whoever it is who is recording the call that might be violated, right? Like maybe the person who wants to record

Starting point is 01:37:11 this call shouldn't give like two shits about the privacy of their employer who is breaking the law by coercing them into working unpaid hours or whatever the case may be. You know, two wrongs don't make a right, I guess. Or do they? Or whose right is more important? And I think that the conclusion, the only conclusion we can really come to here is that legality aside, from an ethical standpoint, this is an extremely gray area. Recording conversations with people yeah because there's going to be times where uh people are doing it to protect themselves and there's

Starting point is 01:37:52 going to be times where people are doing it to attack other people sure okay great yeah so then knowing how great it is here's what i'll say. If I'm Google, here's why I made this move. And I don't know why Google actually did this. Okay? They state this update is specifically targeted apps that allow audio recordings but that don't notify the person on the other end.

Starting point is 01:38:15 So if I'm Google, this is a cover my ass move. I don't want to suddenly be held liable when someone does use a non-notifying call recording app to do something nefarious. And so your question was why? Why did they do this? And I think they're just covering their butts. I don't think it's about legality.

Starting point is 01:38:38 I don't think it's about ethics. I think it's about the lawyers being like, hey, this could be a problem at some point. And I think it's that simple. That's my take. And I know it took me a really long time to get there i'm not running on much sleep yeah um google i'm looking into it right now someone uh m m kirsch sorry i probably just butchered that name uh but they they let me know that Google apparently has call recording built in. And it looks, yeah, it looks like you can. On an Android device, open the voice app. At the top left, tap the hamburger button and click on settings. And then under calls, left tap the hamburger button and click on settings and then under calls uh turn on incoming call options and then you have the option to record a call uh to start recording tap four

Starting point is 01:39:32 okay so with their recording thing all participants will hear an announcement that the recording has begun i wonder if you can start the recording before the person has picked up um i don't know interesting i doubt it i i would think it would be a little smarter than that and honestly like in some cases there are situations where i wouldn't want the other party to know that i'm recording the call because as soon as they know that i'm recording the call they're not going to engage in whatever you can extremely easily do that like i already brought up like this abandoning these apps doesn't stop people from recording calls yeah it does well here's what it does do is it does lower

Starting point is 01:40:11 the barrier to entry it's kind of like apps that have permissions that don't allow you to screen capture them you know like a password yeah app that doesn't allow like obviously you can get around it by just taking a picture of the screen of the phone with another device but what it does is it increases the barrier to entry for you know casual miscreants i guess is what i would say right yeah yeah the top most dog in switch says call recording should be an accessibility feature i use it because i have memory consolidation issues and often need to refer back to a call recording to take notes. A hundred percent. I'm man, I'm on the same page. Like if I just could have a setting on my phone, that's just like, yeah, just record

Starting point is 01:40:54 every conversation that I have. I would, I would just use that. Whenever I have calls with people at work, if they're like, Hey, can like, can like flow plane, make this new thing. I'll have a call with them. I'll ask them right away if I can record it and just record the entire thing because like they'll mention like some random feature that they want and like if i don't document it perfect and then you have to understand that you're like you're doing that phone call game to yourself when you're trying to document that stuff because

Starting point is 01:41:17 unless you type it exactly the way that they worded it you might write it down in a in a slightly different way than they intended and then you hand that to a developer or whoever else and they interpret it in a slightly different way again and then you're so many layers of abstraction from the original ask and it makes it complicated so i just yeah i i like recording calls as well but again i'm i ask people but and we're i mean we're in i'm pretty sure we're in uh single party consent here in bc um but i still ask people because it just makes sense yeah it's just polite except for situations where it's not about politeness it's about you know right your your landlord admitting

Starting point is 01:41:58 that they're rent evicting you um or that they're they're evicting you because of the color of your skin or something um yeah then you want to you want to meeting that evidence yeah yeah which obviously they're not going to say if they know you're recording it i mean with that said it's amazing how much how many like obviously recorded like where the phone is just clearly in plain view recordings there are on the internet of people acting like absolute pieces of human garbage um yeah i mean there's a in spite of the court case one of those going on right now but that's a whole that's a totally different can of worms the uh oh man what's his name johnny depp and amber heard oh that whole thing that's crazy i don't want to get into that i don't

Starting point is 01:42:44 know anywhere near enough it took me a while to remember their names i don't want to get into that i don't know anywhere near enough it took me a while to remember their names i don't want to get into this it's just i know there's a bunch of like uh recordings of conversations in that oh yeah i as far as i can tell they're both going nuclear option and just like well if i'm going down i'm taking you with me apparently just that neither of them are going to emerge from this looking good i have no idea i've not been following it i don't know i just yeah sorry mtg court what is mtg court apparently there's another high profile magic the gathering mtg is anytime anyone says mtg to me i just think magic the gathering i don't know what are you even

Starting point is 01:43:27 talking about i know what we should talk about which is the next oh no no i know who mtg is we're not talking about that sorry what are we talking about now uh i think i just think we should dive in the next topic next Netflix shares? Or USB-C? Okay, let's just start with this. Is Netflix completely f***ed? Are they done? I don't think they're done. I think...

Starting point is 01:43:57 I think... 200,000 subscribers lost in a single quarter? They had 220 million. It's going to take a while for that to, you know, completely get rid of all their subscribers. They did expect to apparently gain 2.5 million subscribers. And I think they're going to have to can that. I didn't know all of this was going on.

Starting point is 01:44:21 But like a week or two ago, I canceled a Netflix subscription that i had like effectively gifted to my girlfriend because i don't really watch tv um because i was going through like credit card statements and i was like whoa this is a lot more expensive than when i originally signed up for you can we cancel this because i didn't i didn't even know that they upped their rates uh i guess their their email for that went into my like advertising junk um right so i i had no idea they upped it by like quite a bit like i feel like i'm paying significantly more than i used to um very substantial yeah it's a lot like it's a it's a lot of money um i think one of the problems that

Starting point is 01:45:00 they have is that their shows i i think pretty much all shows these days are extremely expensive to produce um yeah and it's it's difficult to sustain also like sending that much data it's really expensive it just is yeah we legitimately actually know yeah it's really hard yeah and they are very very good at it they are extremely good at it like they actually have people that work there that are masters at that type of stuff. So I'm sure they do a very good job of making it efficient, but it's still really expensive.

Starting point is 01:45:34 And it's this case, if I saw people talking about it on the tweeters, but it's one of those cases of where a lot of the share price or share value of Netflix was based around this infinite growth idea. They stopped the infinite growth and the share price tanked. There's, there's speculation that their company is going to see a significant further dive. Like there's a highlight here saying they're projected to lose another 2 million by June. And I think that could be a lot of people are complaining about the the shows and the types of shows that are

Starting point is 01:46:08 on netflix these days a lot of people are complaining like me like i had no idea there was any actual things going on i canceled it because i didn't realize how crazy expensive it was um but yeah i think one of netflix's biggest problems is when you have a subscription model you have to hook people on something and then you have to keep them wanting it right yeah you have to keep them wanting it and netflix has developed this really bad habit of running a season or two seasons of a show and then just rug pulling people over and over and over again you get jaded you you don't want to get you don't want to get hooked anymore because you're just like imagine if your dealer okay stopped being able to give

Starting point is 01:46:52 you the drug you like if every time they got you they gave you something new and they gave it to you for a bit and they were like sorry i can't get that anymore and you go through this awful withdrawal and they're like okay but here's something different why don't you try this one and you're like okay all right yeah i could i could get into this i like that but boom cold turkey withdrawal like it's not a good cycle people don't want that and it's been such a pattern for them and a big part of it is, like you said, the shows are so expensive. I feel like I've always been a little jaded with TV shows since I

Starting point is 01:47:31 was a Firefly fan, right? And that got cancelled when it really shouldn't have been. And ever since then, I'm just like, I don't really want to get attached to a show. I don't know. There's some shows every once in a blue moon, like Kim's Convenience. I actually really liked Kim's Convenience.

Starting point is 01:47:51 It wasn't like, it didn't blow my hair back, but it was a nice, happy, positive, have in the background while you do other things type of kind of show. But like, I don't know. It's just, it's very expensive these days and we're running into uh i mean not to get into this type of stuff but like inflation is is kind of popping off right now um there's that whole like the world runs on a 90-day food cycle thing the war in ukraine has been going on for x amount of days uh ukraine and russia produce such a massive percentage of the world's grain overall calories available to the world is going to down go down by quite a bit

Starting point is 01:48:35 inflation's already cranked up when food prices almost inevitably go up it's going to be even worse all this kind of stuff so like the crunch on people is very very intense right now and you have netflix which like we can all live without um jumping their costs up very significantly while i don't know this because i don't watch but i've seen a lot of people argue i have no idea what the substance behind this is but i've seen a lot of people argue that the quality of the shows is maybe going down or maybe the shows that they liked are getting canceled or whatever else and it's just it's not a it's not a feel-good time it's it's no longer honeymoon period for netflix they have a huge amount of other competition the shows are tenuous and the costing is going

Starting point is 01:49:19 way way way up so it's yeah and and you know what here's another problem is all i'm doing is pointing out problems i'm not actually coming up with any solutions because if they did the opposite of what they're doing now i described starting shows and ending them prematurely as rug pulling but you know what the opposite of that is beating dead horses it's the simpsons yeah simpsons is like good this season or something i haven't i haven't watched it yet i will i will many seasons you should end it when it's still good right yeah right exactly so how do how is there any way to win and you know this is how we end up with how many marvel movies are we up to like 30 30 movies in a universe. This is how we end up with

Starting point is 01:50:05 the stupid Boba Fett series. Which is like, well, people like Mandalorian, I guess we'll just make more of that. And so, I'm sitting here going, hey, Netflix, your mistake was to try things and be creative

Starting point is 01:50:21 and realize that not everything was going to work. Like, no, no, actually, that's good. That's a force for good. Crap, right? Like, I don't, I don't have a solution for them. I think. And I mean, like, as if as if I can say anything that's going to be meaningful or impactful to someone who's like, currently in crisis mode trying to run netflix so my my opinion here is probably valueless but um i would argue that i think the costing of a lot of their shows needs to go down so that they become more viable if that makes sense um if if you can produce these shows because i i've heard some of the numbers i don't remember off the top of my head right now but i've heard some of the

Starting point is 01:51:01 per episode numbers for how much it costs to make one of these shows and it's huge like terrifyingly huge um and if you if they if they could significantly drop that like very significantly drop that which i think they could for a lot of different shows because you don't need cinematic marvels for every single show that's on netflix there could be some more basic stuff right like some of my favorite movies um it's basically like apartment rooms and like convenience stores like these are not expensive places to to film in um and if you try to make more stuff like that which is cheaper to produce it's not as much of a burden to keep it going for the fans that do like it um yeah so i i feel like they've they've gotten caught in this trap of like well we're always growing the stock is really strong let's just keep pumping these like basically huge lattice of halo product type shows and then when they don't work just can them and i think people

Starting point is 01:52:04 are just a little jaded about that. Yeah. Someone mentioned the office. Yeah. One of the most successful, um, still watched incredibly intensely popular shows of all time is filmed in like an office building. Yep.

Starting point is 01:52:20 Sure. They have a few episodes here or there where, which are quite extravagant, but a lot of it is just people sitting around in an office building. You can create fantastic stuff with not the insane budget that they have now. And I think that should have been more of a focus

Starting point is 01:52:36 significantly more in the past. I don't know what can necessarily save them now. A lot of people are pointing out, hey, Linus, there's a middle ground here. And you're right. You should end the show while it's still good rather than cancelling it when you couldn't make it work. Like wrapping things up, giving people closure

Starting point is 01:52:58 is something we don't get nearly enough of in TV series these days. That's totally true and that's totally fair. But it is one of those things that's really hard to get right when you have all these conflicting voices in your ear, right? Oh, yeah. You've got your shareholders going like this. I'm sorry. Did you just stop making something that is like making tons of money and driving the stock up? And then you've got viewers going, hey, did you just cancel something? I still enjoyed watching you sitting here going, yeah, but from an artistic standpoint, this was the best thing to

Starting point is 01:53:27 do. Trust me, trust me in the long term, this will be better for you. And people don't necessarily want what's good for them. And it's really tough, right? It's tough. It's hard to get right is what I'm is all I have to say about that. Yeah, chaos five mentioned the other issue is other streaming companies are putting on stuff too. Yeah, i mentioned that there's there's lots of competition for netflix now and and for almost netflix's entire life there was none like it was it was netflix had this extremely long run of practically no competition which was which was stunning to me for years um because it just made no sense to me like when disney started putting shows on netflix i was just straight up stunned like the fact that they didn't just make their

Starting point is 01:54:11 own it was astonishing i mean hold on a second luke it costs 250 million dollars to make a video streaming platform so i can see why they hey no it does it does yes no it does pay us pay us that i don't think it's in the doc i don't think it's in the doc do you want to just grab an article and put up so people can tell what the heck we're talking about yeah uh i mean i can talk about it without throwing that up but i can try to find one at the same time uh cnn plus uh the most amazing streaming service ever made lasted for three months apparently it cost them i i i'm trying to find a document right now um yeah the washington post says it was 100 million dollars i i read

Starting point is 01:54:52 somewhere else that it was 250 million dollars who knows but it was in the three three digit millions of dollars to produce this streaming service that lasted for three weeks. I read a lot of this is just stuff that I read. I didn't witness it perfectly or personally, because I mean, if I'm canceling Netflix, there's no way I'm subscribing to CNN. Three weeks, Luke. Apparently it lasted three weeks. Did I say three months? I meant three weeks. Yeah. Yeah. So it lasted three weeks. It apparently cost $250 million to make. There was a bunch of very grandiose statements like apparently they were selling nfts of like the first minute of cnn plus because they were like this is the most monumental thing this i don't have a perfect quote i don't have it in front of me but something along

Starting point is 01:55:34 the lines of this is the most monumental thing that we've ever launched since the beginning of like cnn way way back in the day um clearly it wasn't there was fewer than 10 000 subscribers so i mean if you look at how much it's going to get full-plane going you look at the amount of subscribers we got dude we're amazing i yeah i know you can i just say you guys are superstars right now because guys you know i had someone mad at me for bringing up that i employ 65 people the purpose of it wasn't to brag the purpose of it was to point out that, you know, obviously there's a million dollars flowing through here on a pretty regular basis. Even just the salaries per month of everyone or not just salaries, I guess.

Starting point is 01:56:17 But the the the payroll for everyone per month is like very substantial. There's going to have to be that much money for the company. I'll tell you this much my my my means are somewhere between what uh what it takes to run a 65 person company and 250 million dollars and it's a lot closer it's a lot closer to this one oh man i i i can't believe someone should just make us an offer like just be like hey can we just instead of spending however many millions upon millions and millions of dollars to develop our own stupid thing like why don't we just license floatplane or why don't we just buy floatplane from you guys and luke can just do nothing but make the WAN show

Starting point is 01:57:05 and hang out next to his pool all the time. Dude. Honestly, though. I could make such a sweet WAN show if that was all I did the entire week. The topics would be flawless. That would be such a boring job. Yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:57:19 It's stunning to me. The less than 10,000 subscriber number is the craziest part in my opinion the 250 million to make it the three weeks that it was alive like both of those numbers are just individually brain exploding because like how did they only give it three weeks how did it cost 250 million dollars to to create i heard a lot of this again this is just me reading things variously around the internet i don't have sources right now I heard that the CFO quit over this or resigned

Starting point is 01:57:49 I don't know if that's like the CFO of CNN Plus or if that's the CFO of CNN or what but I heard that was a thing the most astonishing thing to me individually is the less than 10,000 subscribers that is an extremely interesting number because there's ESPN Plus, right? And I looked this up

Starting point is 01:58:08 and let me look this up again right now. ESPN Plus. Like 22 million or something like that? 17 million? I've read multiple numbers. The one that looks the most legit to me was that in Q4 of 2021, I believe it was 17.1 million.

Starting point is 01:58:24 I've heard that that number is over 20 million now but the most legit one that i've seen is the q4 2021 where it was 17.1 million um that's a lot of subscribers right you think about the scale like cnn is huge yeah they pull in less than 10 000 subs like what were you doing how did you actually manage to screw up that bad like it's Yeah. Like, if you imagine, if you imagine, that's what I'm saying, right? ESPN Plus, 17.1 million subscribers. You have to think about the scale that these groups are on. Look, guys, LTT on Flowplane has around 20,000 subscribers. But we're not hating on that. We're not being like, that's pretty sh**, you know?

Starting point is 01:59:22 No, that's a lot. It's not like that. Yeah. that's that's pretty you know no that's a lot like that yeah but it's a it's a lot but it's a lot in the context of it only cost a few million to build it yeah like if that's the difference yeah like it's it's if even if flannis tech tips had 10 000 subs on floatplane right now i'd be like oh it's pretty good you know like it's sustainable it yeah it didn't it didn't cost us 250 million dollars to make the platform and we're not cnn like the scale here is just insane i wonder what cnn's like revenue per year is is that a public

Starting point is 01:59:58 thing i have no idea, news is just dying. That's a whole separate conversation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Whole separate conversation. We're going to bring it back. We're going to bring it back for tech. We're going to be finally introducing the labs lead next week. I promise this time.

Starting point is 02:00:22 I promise next week. I don't think there's any way we can actually not do it next week i promise this time i promise next week i don't think there's any way we can actually not do it next week like i think it's i think it's gonna happen uh people on floatplane are trying to calculate how much we make from floatplane it's going to be real difficult because some people pay for higher tiers and some people have tiers that are still grandfathered i don't want to brag but i think we're pretty consumer first um we could have increased rates when we moved to when we moved off hosting it on the forum and we moved to the dedicated site but we actually put the dev resources into making less money so there's actually a three dollar a month tier that does still exist for uh what do we what do

Starting point is 02:01:07 we call them the grandfather tier grandfather i don't know what it's actually called externally but internally we call it grandfather tier yeah i can tell you guys i can tell you guys grandfather tier we do not make money on you there There's so much overhead. Not great. Just like in payment processing fees alone. Okay, apparently externally we call it OG tier. OG tier. All right. That's okay.

Starting point is 02:01:38 It's because we love you guys. All right. Well, no, it's not. It's because we told you it would be $3. That's why. And once you say something, you're just kind of stuck with it, unless you can make a solid argument for why not. And if the solid argument is just money, then why is that your problem? We didn't correctly anticipate how much it would cost to do this that's okay that's okay overall the platform is sustainable and it's sustainable indefinitely so it's not one of those things where we're you know we're we're where it's dire you know we don't have to change anything yeah so we're just going to keep doing

Starting point is 02:02:19 what we do all right i'm really trying to figure out how much money they make there's there's this like one random website i found but i can't really tell what it's saying but cnn makes incredible amounts of money like like 10 000 subscribers even if those subscribers were paying like a hundred dollars a month i don't think i don't think would be extremely impactful for cnn they were looking for millions they were not looking for under 10,000. So this, this like the, the level of failure that this was,

Starting point is 02:02:53 I think even when people reacted, they're like, Whoa, that's crazy. I think the level of failure was still lost on those people. Cause this is really intense levels of failure um to the point where like i actually don't even understand how they managed to do it so poorly like i i don't know how you could have a machine that's that big that's moving that's hitting that many eyeballs that's doing that

Starting point is 02:03:18 many things and you turn less than 10 000 subscribers i mean would you pay for cnn plus no maybe that's the problem i don't know uh but yeah all right let's go ahead is this a picture of a prime's uh og og tier yeah thanks for that a prime i mean you work here you get you can get a free floatplane membership if you want anyway, but whatever. No, I think it is. I think it's a screenshot of his free membership. Okay, is it time for us to talk about Tesla using engineering samples in their cars? Sure. Can I just say, I don't want this to be political.

Starting point is 02:04:01 Okay? Okay? say I don't want this to be political okay okay I don't consider it to be political to say that using an engineering sample chip in a finished product

Starting point is 02:04:13 an engineering sample chip that is not yet passed necessary FCC certification and shipping that to paying customers well I'm right wing so I'm. Well, I'm right wing, so I'm not mad. I'm left wing, so I'm mad. No, no, it's just bad.

Starting point is 02:04:32 It doesn't matter. It's just bad. According to Green the Only on Twitter, Tesla has been shipping engineering sample modem chips in all units of the Model S Plaid, Model 3s, and Model Ys. This means that Tesla allegedly could be using hardware in their cars that has not yet been verified by the FCC. Apparently, the Quechtel AG525R-GL was approved by the FCC in October of 2020, but all of the cars that Greenlee only has checked

Starting point is 02:05:07 have the ES declaration, an engineering sample marking on the spreader. It is possible that Tesla has been leaning on ES chips to alleviate some of the pressure of the chip shortage. There are questions of whether ES chips are ready to stand up to regular use. If they are not, Tesla might have to recall thousands of cars, including those sold in China. Although this will only be a thing if the government ultimately looks into it.

Starting point is 02:05:38 Oh, man. It says all the cars that Greenlee only has checked. How many cars has he checked? Presumably more than two, because otherwise it would be both. Right. It's also possible that these chips were made before October 2020, so they just had to be labeled engineering sample, but now they're totally fine to use in production.

Starting point is 02:05:58 That is actually possible. Alternatively, they might be using chips that are marked yes and aren't fcc compliant but since tesla doesn't answer questions i'm not really expecting them to say anything about this fair enough i mean you know what okay you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna present i'm gonna present a devil's advocate argument here. There are also allegedly large companies going out and buying consumer electronics, both new and used, so that they can scavenge them for chips, including things like washing machines and dryers. So is it ethical? Should it be legal to sell an end user a supposedly new product that contains a chip that you like melted down a dishwasher and desoldered? But you can put it in that.

Starting point is 02:06:56 That doesn't sound... I mean, clearly desperate times, desperate times, desperate measures, right? That doesn't sound very viable. I didn't dive into that article very deeply but yeah i um this one's interesting to me because like it was mentioned like if this is manufactured in the exact same way as the release version uh i mean right now during a chip shortage i would personally kind of rather that they were used like if it's if it's the exact same thing but like you said they were just manufactured early before they were approved i'd rather they were actually used than just like

Starting point is 02:07:29 thrown away um and if it's exact same thing just one has text that says engineering sample on it and one doesn't then why do i care it's a bit of a concerning path to go down because people can just claim that it's the same even even though it's not. Yep. Sure could. But I mean, if they're not doing that, then I don't really have a problem with it, personally. I mean, it's not like we've never rolled an engineering sample chip in production hardware. The difference is that we knew it was there.

Starting point is 02:07:57 We put it there. Yeah. Yep. So that's pretty cool In other news and boy This is going to be a hot take unfortunately Wait Tesla overturned their

Starting point is 02:08:13 In other news Tesla has stopped Shipping cars with charging Hardware included They have overturned their policy to deliver Every vehicle with a mobile charging cable And are now selling them separately. Prices are $400 for a level 2 charger and $200 for which one? Is that a level 1 charger?

Starting point is 02:08:35 Based on feedback received, we will drop mobile connector price to $200 and make it easy to order with a car. Okay. the car okay so my take on this which i actually posted on twitter a little while ago was honestly i don't actually see this as as i had a lot i had more than one person pointing out that it would be hypocritical of me to do anything other than condemn this move because i was so critical of apple for pulling the charger from the that's not the same thing that's not the same thing at all this is specifically a mobile charger. This is not the standard one that goes into your house. Oh, no, it is.

Starting point is 02:09:11 The mobile connector is not needed if you have a Tesla wall connector or use superchargers. Yeah, but you have to buy those too. So basically, it means that out of the box, there is no way to charge your car. Okay. As it is. But the reason that it's not comparable from my point of view is, A, my issue with Apple was actually never really the removal of the charger. My issue was that they didn't alter the price. So they were just basically taking your money that they used to give you a charger for and just keeping it.

Starting point is 02:09:42 And them not being honest about it. They weren't up front they said this is about the environment man this is about saving the environment from all these extra chargers but it was never about that no never it was about saving a dollar and stop pretending that it was about saving the environment because if it was about saving a dollar and stop pretending that it was about saving the environment, because if it was about saving the environment, they could have made it optional for you to get a charger and it would have could have been the same price. That would have been about saving the environment. So Apple is just extremely disingenuous about it.

Starting point is 02:10:16 The other difference is that an iPhone is a device that needs to be charged every day to be realistically used the way the average consumer would use it. A car, depending on your usage, might not need to be charged more often than once a week, once every two weeks, even once a month, depending on how much you drive it. And so you could conceivably make the argument that you could buy a Tesla and never actually own a charger for it. You could just charge at public charging stations or at work or whatever else. In fact, we have employees who drive Teslas who cannot charge at home, who only charge at work. Really?

Starting point is 02:10:54 And so, yeah, this is not actually a product that technically requires a charger for use. Yeah. wires a charger for use yeah and like i mean it didn't include whatever the the tesla wall charger i'm not very familiar with this stuff it didn't include the one that you would normally use in your house as far as my understanding goes um so like you're buying that anyways so my take on this was just like yeah honestly i kind of get it i think that it sucks that it's kind of a stealthy way to issue a price increase yeah it would have been nice not the only it would have been nice if the cost of the car went down by like sure but let's talk about i mean no cars are going down in price right now no you can literally drive off the lot in a toyota sienna

Starting point is 02:11:44 and sell it for ten thousand000 more than what you paid. That's just not a thing right now. And it's a lot better than the situation around, man, don't get me started on car dealerships and the US legislation around car dealerships and protecting that whole business model. You want to talk about really crappy anti-consumer situations let's talk about how buying a mustang mock e involves get paying way over ford's advertised price when they do a national ad because of the behavior of their dealer network who they have absolutely no way of controlling and no way of circumventing because of this utterly broken nonsense. But I shouldn't say law because it's actually more of like a framework of laws

Starting point is 02:12:29 that exists to protect this completely outdated business model. Yeah. Like, man, you ever want to go down a rabbit hole and end up extremely angry? Okay? Go read about. The protective.

Starting point is 02:12:48 Laws around the car. Dealership industry in the US. It's bad. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah it's weird. I haven't looked into it so much. But I know a little bit about it.

Starting point is 02:13:02 And it's very weird. Yeah I can't actually find my initial hot take but some people were really outraged with me about it i was like what like it's yeah it's not the only car that's like going up in price like what do you want yeah okay there i said it doesn't even need to be charged every day and they're charging infrastructure is top tier third-party chargers are readily available. That's another really important thing. If Tesla is assigning a $400 value to this thing, then maybe you are better off with them putting that $400 of value on something else if you can get a deal on a charger somewhere else. I said third-party chargers are readily available. I never touch my OEM charger. That's true because i'd rather have a faster one that i purchased after market that is fixed in my garage i just never use it yeah fair enough that's

Starting point is 02:13:53 that's that's what i'm saying it's like i'm not familiar with i don't have a tesla never owned a tesla i haven't looked into buying a tesla um but i i it's my understanding that the mobile charger is not the standard one that you will usually use in your house and stuff. Okay. Inferno 011. Linus, by the way, Elon advocates for getting rid of dealerships. Yeah, but it's not some kind of white knight. It's not a white knight pro-consumer stance. night pro it's not a white night pro consumer stance dealerships actively like the dealership laws that i'm thinking about actively interfere with tesla just selling more cars um so whether

Starting point is 02:14:33 whether he actually cares about the average person and the struggles and the probably impact this has on them impossible to say it's just very clear that there's also um another agenda there for elon he doesn't get any brownie points for advocating for things that help make his company more money that's not how this works yeah are we ready to talk about the gpu scalpocalypse actually being over can i can i can i hot take again yeah because I feel like I might have one as well, but yeah, go for it. Okay.

Starting point is 02:15:09 For the first time in over a year, GPU pricing is down to just 12% above MSRP in Europe, specifically in Germany and Austria. German tech news site 3D Center recently published their findings analyzing the price trends over time with detailed tracking from January of 2021. They show the initial spike in demand following a boom in Ethereum pricing, followed by a slower

Starting point is 02:15:28 increase in spite of high ETH pricing, thanks to increasing supply, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. If this trend continues, GPU prices may be mostly normalized by May, June. It is worth noting that 3D Center excluded the 3090 Ti from the graph since it wasn't available until recently and arguably isn't really all that available anyway. Fair enough. All right. With averages across the lineup falling, one GPU has stood out as consistently above MSRP, the 3080, which is highly sought after as the reasonable high-end option, at least compared to the astronomical pricing of the 3090 and 6900 XT. And Anthony notes, anecdotally, local computer shops are still selling way above MSRP for both teams, but prices are getting lower. Here is my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory hot take.

Starting point is 02:16:13 Are you ready for it? Yes. We'll see if it's the same as mine. It is late April, which was supposedly Intel's launch date for ARK. So the whole thing, the whole thing was fake. There was no, there was no inflation. There was no increase in component prices. It was just what the market will bear.

Starting point is 02:16:38 And you, the consumer can go f*** yourself. Because if they were able to turn on the spigot that like the timing is so perfect the arc's not here yet so i think a lot of people might not necessarily put this together right but this is when arc was supposed to arrive so the fact that arc isn't here yet means we're not like quite at what prices are supposed to be because there isn't actually a competitor to respond to, but they clearly have built enough boards and altered the flow of these cards. Because you've got to remember, these are decisions that are made months ahead of time, right?

Starting point is 02:17:19 These are projections. We are seeing cards in the market today that were projected anywhere from three to nine months ago. So they had no way of knowing that the production that they were doing today was not going to have a competitor to compete with. So it's still going to drive pricing down because there is still competition between board partners, for example, who all want to shift through the GPUs so they can get more allocation so they can sell more gpus um but for nvidia and amd themselves they got to be kind of sitting there going well shoot because arc ain't actually here yet but here we are my my version of this is i i don't think it's over um i i think this might be and i could be wrong and i hope i am um but i think this might be, and I could be wrong and I hope I am, but I think this might be a short breather between spikes. I think with the neon supply, as is noted in this document, impacting chip production, we read an article, I think it was a couple weeks ago about how uh right now we're struggling with chicks or chips sorry you know maybe maybe both to be honest knowing this community um but right

Starting point is 02:18:32 now we're 99 problems but a chick ain't one right right now we're struggling with chips um but it's looking like in the future we might be struggling struggling with wafers because wafer production is potentially falling behind and yada, yada, yada. Yes. So like it's I have a feeling that we might be kind of finally like, OK, we have a little bit of a breather and then people are going to go, oh, I can buy graphics cards again. Demand is going to potentially go back up because of that. And then we're going to run into this this this wafer trouble and this neon trouble and all this kind of stuff that's just looming around the corner and i think we might spike back up in regards to gpu prices don't just like spend all your money on a gpu now and then scream at me

Starting point is 02:19:16 in six months when the price doesn't go up but i just i have a feeling it's not over. At the end of the day, though, you know, how things are priced. A GPU is sand, you know? There's sand, there's production costs, right? There's R&D, right? There's the facility that it actually has to be built in. There are people that actually have to run this facility. That cost, that material and labor cost, is not reflective of what is charged for the final product.

Starting point is 02:19:51 At the end of the day, it is priced based on what the market will bear, not priced based on what the actual cost is. So what we're learning is that, yes, inflation is a thing. Yes, materials prices are going up. But if push came to shove, there was enough in there that like they could have done it so that's the tinfoil hat i mean it's not really just sand right like you can't just like go to the beach and make yes i know i know but the point is i had a contractor i had a contractor tell me that there had been an increase from their 2021 to their 2022

Starting point is 02:20:26 rates of like 60 on some some aspect of of our bill due to inflation and i'm sitting here going oh okay uh did that vehicle you already owned go up in price 60 did? If I go talk to the person driving it, did they get a 60% raise? I just want to understand, what is inflation to you? Did your costs actually go up? Because our costs have gone up. LTT store, our costs have gone up. On water bottles, on t-shirts, on transport, they've gone up. But the thing you got to understand is that when a cost on something goes up, that doesn't necessarily immediately mean that the end price just goes up by that amount. You know, when, when, okay, let's talk wafers. When wafer costs go up 200%, that doesn't mean that CPUs need to go up 200% because of the cost of creating a CPU, that wafer might only be 2%. So when it goes up 200%, we might only be talking about, you know,

Starting point is 02:21:35 a 4% increase in the total cost to produce this product. And when you look at the margins of a company like an Intel or an NVIDIA, could they have absorbed 4% for you? Yeah, they could have. They sure as heck didn't need to. Because you do the math the other way, right? If they actually do double the price, they are now making 96% more. Like it's, and I'm not saying those numbers are right. I'm saying that the truth is somewhere in between. Yeah yeah and everything that i listed was more of a like supply and demand situation right like neon absolutely less available as a supply and demand situation the wafers and that could raise costs yeah and wafer

Starting point is 02:22:15 production is very difficult um and like spinning up a new facility that can produce a wafer is not exactly the easiest thing ever so there's going to be a supply and demand problem there as well it's not necessary the costs aren't going to necessarily go up because acquiring a single unit of this item became more expensive but it's going to go up because like people are going to buy it pretty much regardless so you just increase the price uh just keep going up um all right well we should do some merch messages yeah bell are you there hello he still is i'm awake i'm here how you doing let's go through some merch messages this first one's from joshua and then let's cut this thing from joshua to luke hey you used to be named slick yeah where did it come from and where

Starting point is 02:23:05 did it go uh where did it come from cotton eye joe um linus used to nickname everyone don't get us copyright strike oh sorry right uh linus used to nickname everyone uh it was a thing i i feel like honestly they weren't that creative after mine um college calling brandon b-roll was not exactly like you know the most innovative thing ever uh but yeah i was called slick because of oil slick because of my my my oil cooled computer yeah from and it went away because we collectively decided that nicknames were stupid yeah actually there was a peasant uprising and i was informed that nicknames were stupid. Yeah. Actually, there was a peasant uprising and I was informed that nicknames are stupid. I wanted it to be

Starting point is 02:23:52 kind of like these personas, you know? It was supposed to be branding. So, like, Luke was slick because he was, like, the guy that's, like, crazy enough to build an oil PC. And Brandon was B-roll because he was, like, the guy with the b-roll because he was like the guy with the b-roll the guy that makes our video not suck you know um ed's nickname diesel was just

Starting point is 02:24:12 stupid i forget i think it's because i misread his name the first time i saw it yeah you you i think you called him diesel because you like read his name wrong or whatever but yeah from nicholas uh Linus or Luke, what has been the biggest failure while making a video in terms of something not working, breaking, or maybe where the video had to be junked? Oh, it's got to be the one where I dropped the $10,000 CPU that delayed the project for like three months

Starting point is 02:24:39 and cost me thousands of dollars to go out of pocket, replace it. That's pretty brutal. I'm trying to think of... I don't know. I mean, there was the time that a sponsor basically threatened to sue us if we released the sponsored video we created for them. And we basically told them, like, we did what you said. You do need to pay.

Starting point is 02:25:04 And then they went out of business like six months later so that was that was fun uh back when i was making videos i think junking them wasn't actually an option so i don't think this really applies because if we had a massive failure we would just film the massive failure and then release it i mean cold and water cooling was a failure that got released dude heck yeah yeah this wasn't actually an option so i don't think i can actually answer i don't think i worked on a project that didn't get released like immediately yeah i don't know it is what it is i see you guys know merch messages happen when people uh check out on ltt store while we are live maybe they're checking out these new holy crap we have sold 420 water bottles let's go nice uh yeah so people checking out on lttstore.com and when we're live

Starting point is 02:26:03 there's a little field where you can enter a message. So we'd rather people do this rather than Super Chats, because at least this way, maybe we miss your message, but at least you get something in the mail then. Nice. From Luis, cereal and milk gang. What's your cereal of choice, Linus? Well, Luis actually asked what i'm eating mr editorializing over here uh it's chicken soup with rice oh my once oh my twice oh my chicken soup with rice um

Starting point is 02:26:35 that's a reference most people won't get anyway uh normally i am a triple berry oatmeal crisp kind of guy. I also like that cranberry almond crunch. Love me some mini wheats with the classic frosting. If I'm like really being really bad, I love Honey Nut Chex. Oh my God, the Nesquik cereal is so good. I just, you know what? Anything with homo milk in it is like delicious because man, you put that skim milk in,

Starting point is 02:27:03 you might as well just like dunk it in water.'m sorry i'm anti-skim milk yeah see this this is one of the few arenas that uh linus and i are actually on the opposite sides of when it comes to food usually we align almost exactly um but i i like skim milk i like skim milk so i was growing up on skim milk i think that's kind of what where the line gets created. Like if this is the one that you have for the first X amount of years of your life, you're probably not going to want to switch later on down the line. Yeah, I mean, if all you've ever had is like warm piss to drink, then why would you want apple juice?

Starting point is 02:27:39 I think another part of it too is that I just don't really like milk in general. Like I don't enjoy it in any variety other than chocolate. Um, just like a glass of milk. I've never been into that in any form. So I think by not liking milk, having the least milky one probably makes the most sense. Um,

Starting point is 02:27:58 to be clear, I'm not a milk drinker either. I don't, I would never just like pour myself a glass of milk. No milk drinkers. Absolutely of milk no milk drinkers absolutely not no milk drinkers uh but yeah i think i don't remember what the brand is but it's like some some lean crunch thing or something for my cereal cashy crunch cashy go lean crunch or something i really like the flavor i don't know okay crunchy crunch i like crunchy man i basically eat cereal as dessert slash candy

Starting point is 02:28:27 as often as i can i i it is my man it is my weak it is my weakness i like cereal but yeah not not at the someone just asked if i'm sitting in two chairs yes how do you know any of the chairs are real two chairs how do you how do you know any of the chairs are real? Two chairs. How do you know anything's real? I hope I just blew everyone's mind. Okay, sorry. Let's keep going. From Jordan. Hi, Daddy Linus. shout out from australia question when international travel comes back where's somewhere that you'd like to go i'd love to go to australia

Starting point is 02:29:13 and i'm not even sucking up i think the wife and i are gonna go down there and like do some scuba diving and uh we're we're missing um we're it's how ironic to go all the way to Australia to go to a concert for a local artist. We're going to go see Michael Bublé in Australia. That's funny. He literally lives an hour from my house. And for some reason, I'm going to fly 18 hours to watch him perform. Are you just going to keep blowing people's minds here, Luke?

Starting point is 02:29:44 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What a bad man. Oh, no. I think people didn't get it the first time. So maybe they'll get it now. Okay. See if I can put them back.

Starting point is 02:30:06 Sorry, keep going. Keep going. More merch messages. Bell, keep hitting us. You can hit us more rapid fire. Okay. Nathaniel asks, have you ever thought about making a Let's Play

Starting point is 02:30:14 or gaming-focused channel or upload gaming-focused videos to Channel Superfun? I mean, we've thought about it. If you remember back when Channel Superfund was first pitched it was a battle between a gaming review channel and a toy review channel

Starting point is 02:30:32 yep and gaming didn't win I think that's because you vetoed it no whoa whoa whoa whoa you lost the community vote and it was not close i don't think luke and i both produced pilots for what chat what channel super fun would be and his was gaming and mine was like dinking around with toys and it wasn't close

Starting point is 02:31:02 all right all right all right i have no way to like i don't know where i would find this and it wasn't close. Alright, alright, alright. I have no way to like, I don't know where I would find this information, so whatever. From Kyra, as primo tech professionals, do you have any advice for young professionals in tech? I'm thinking about switching my major to CIT, but scared of the culture as a woman, and any advice would be

Starting point is 02:31:19 great. So here's the problem. I am not a tech professional. I know in... I not a tech professional. I know in... I'm a media professional. In my experience... Take it away, Luke. I don't know. I'm in such a bubble, right? So I don't know. In my experience, like when I was in school, the women in my courses were, were, I would

Starting point is 02:31:45 argue highly respected. Um, but I have also heard quite a bit that that is not the experience that a lot of women in tech have had. And that sucks. Um, I know that we've, I've honestly, I've honestly tried at Flowplane, but like to, to give some inside baseball over the last two, like, so for data science and software engineering, two of the positions that we've been hiring for recently for the software engineering one out of the resumes that I got, and obviously I can't really

Starting point is 02:32:17 tell. I don't even want to see people's pictures. I don't care. It has nothing to do with the hiring process, but just by judging from the names, I think one woman applied out of 2,500 applicants. So it's rough. And I would encourage you to go into the field if it's something that you like, because having more female representation would be awesome. I hate that I am a little bit hesitant to say that just because you might have to deal with some stuff that is not fair and not cool. And I don't want to like push you down a path that might be extremely uncomfortable. But it would be really cool to have more female representation in this field. And I mean, I think it would be really good.

Starting point is 02:33:01 So if you decide to pursue it, I can give you one bit of advice. I think it would be really good. So if you decide to pursue it, I can give you one bit of advice. Don't give a bunch of your money to some recruitment agency because you are like in demand. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:14 So yeah, all I'm saying is get the whole bag. All right. There's lots of places that appreciate the idea of a multitude and a wider range of perspectives when you're trying to be innovative and create things and move forward. And lots of places that will want you on their team. So you don't have to like... This is just something that Linus and I found a while ago.

Starting point is 02:33:41 But you don't have to pay people to join a recruitment agency. You'll be fine. Oh yeah. Like if you are anywhere, and if you're anywhere near capable, like get out there, pound the pavement. It is a, it is a, an employee's market right now in that space. Yeah. Get some, get some experience under your belt, but you can do that while getting well-paid There's a lot of demand in the industry right now. It's just for some inside baseball on me. I like hiring more based on portfolios than education. It's a little bit harder to, you said CIT, it's a little bit harder to get a portfolio, a public viewable portfolio built in the CIT space specifically, but it is possible. Yeah. Yeah, that's all I'd say, I guess.

Starting point is 02:34:34 Awesome. From Sherry, what are your thoughts on Star Citizen now that it's been almost a year since your live stream? I haven't touched it since then. my thoughts are wake me up when not wake me up when it's over wake me up when it's not over anymore i guess yeah um i constantly see content like i'll see somebody release like a little clip of them doing something that's like super cool and i'm like sweet i really hope the server didn't crash like two minutes after you did that. I don't know. I do not currently have hope, but the only reason why I don't currently have hope is because I just don't think about it at all.

Starting point is 02:35:18 I'm just waiting for like, they're going to say like, you know what? It's ready. And I'm going to be like, okay, sweet, let's ready. And I'm gonna be like, okay, sweet, let's go. And I'll be really excited for when that happens. But I think it's just better for me to just not care in the slightest until that happens. Because it's been a long time of waiting. And I just don't feel like actively waiting anymore. So I'm no longer actively waiting. Nicholas D asks, what are your thoughts on autonomous rideshare companies, Cruise, Waymo, Zoox and such?

Starting point is 02:35:46 Man, I think we are, I've yet to see evidence that we are that close to autonomous vehicles that can actually handle every edge case. I think that this is going to be an extremely complicated decade. We'll see how it goes. Obviously, that's a future that I'm excited for, but I think it's still a future that I'm excited for, not something that is happening right now. But we'll see. I mean, Tesla's apparently confident enough that they're not even allowing people to buy out their leases anymore. I'm not even sure if they ever did, but they want every vehicle back, supposedly, for their robo-taxi service. So we'll see. but they want every vehicle back, supposedly for their robo-taxi service.

Starting point is 02:36:24 So we'll see. From Kevin. Sorry if that's wrong. Long-time watcher, first-time buyer. What podcast do you listen to, Linus and Luke? I think I'd be surprised. I don't even listen to this one. I don't listen to podcasts. Yeah. Do you listen to any? No.

Starting point is 02:36:41 Honestly, I... I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get long format i i don't have time i think i can't i was not i love you all thank you for watching i mean i don't love you all like literally um you know i just i appreciate you i appreciate your existence i uh yeah i didn't the fact that you're here yeah your your presence maybe I should say. I didn't listen to podcasts either until very recently. I don't think it's too much of a mystery, but I added a little bit of poundage over the quarantine period. And I've been working quite a bit lately to lose said poundage and re-up

Starting point is 02:37:22 a little bit of the muscle and stuff like that. And one of the things that I've been doing is I, I go for walk, run, jog, be active out in the field for an hour. Um, and I've been listening to, man, uh, I've been listening to the yard a lot and past Gas, and I'm looking for other podcasts as well. I love that sentence out of context. I've been listening to The Yard a lot and Past Gas. Yeah, neither of them have like, you know. You actually sound like a crazy person. Yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:38:02 I like them though i try to time it so i try to make sure that i'm out there and like some days i'll have more energy and some days i'll have less um but i'll try to make sure that i'm at least out there for an hour every time um and i listen for yeah i listen for the hour and then i usually try to make sure that like um i i do a cool down period of 10 minutes every time so technically i'm outside for an hour and 10 minutes, whatever. But my cool down period is purely walking just for 10 minutes. And then I go inside and I listen to the rest of the podcast like while I'm having a shower or whatever. But I like the routine and it has the listening to the podcast and getting notifications for new episodes, like whenever I get a notification for a new episode of The Yard,

Starting point is 02:38:49 it makes me more excited to go out for my one hour of field time, if that makes sense. You can listen to The Yard. Yeah, so that's been cool. Pass them gas. But honestly, if I wasn't doing that, I don't think I'd listen to any podcasts. Podcasts and streams are two things

Starting point is 02:39:04 that I've just never really uh i just never really got it i guess i don't know but you do listen to they're just movies tech linked and the wan show all available where you listen to podcasts of course yeah i did figure out very recently that not only those but oh right no you mentioned it no, you mentioned it, TechLinked. I had no idea that TechLinked was in podcast form. Yeah. It actually came up organically. I didn't know that either. It's perfect for podcast.

Starting point is 02:39:30 It kind of makes sense because you can, I'm learning a lot in the past few weeks about podcasts in general. I had no idea. I was not a podcast person. But you can subscribe to them and they'll just queue up automatically for you. So, yeah, if you're just going out like yeah okay tech linked is super short but it's just queued up you don't have to like manipulate your phone in any way it'll just play and then once it's done it'll play the next one so it makes sense yeah check it out

Starting point is 02:39:53 um got a couple things here uh tim simpson in floatplane chat last night i played star citizen and saw a bartender npc pour draft beer fully animated. It was fantastic. Then I got stuck in my ship and no button would work anymore. I was going to say, like, yeah, that's super cool. And someone posted in a chat earlier, it's like, oh, you can do ship-to-ship refueling. And I'm like, yeah, sweet.

Starting point is 02:40:19 That's not... I didn't need that for the game to feel better to me. But, whatever. And A Prime jumped in and said, they're saying they're going to do a different car for RoboTaxi. I think it's part of the whole Model 3 is an appreciating car shtick so they can resell and refurbish themselves. Yeah, that's probably more accurate.

Starting point is 02:40:38 I don't know. I don't care anymore. I no longer... That's what I'm going to say. I'm going to say, look, I... That's just... Well, I'm just going to say it. Okay, yep, that's what i'm gonna say i'm gonna say look i i that's just well i'm just gonna say it okay yep that's what you said okay good i don't want to talk about it anymore yeah oh man that is a great dayton says if autonomous if autonomous cars are fast and safe it's better to just delete the cars and do autonomous transit not necessarily because if they're also environmentally um like if they're also less environmentally impactful then we we could still enjoy the

Starting point is 02:41:15 efficiency of small groups of people going only to exactly where they need versus you know having to get off of one thing that's on a particular route and then get on to another thing. In public transit, it can be very inefficient. Linus and I both grew up in the boonies. Whenever I hear people mention public transit, it's the answer to everything. I'm like, you didn't grow up in the boonies. It doesn't work for everywhere. And where we live now is much more notably developed. But like, yeah, I don't know. It's not always going to work for everybody. People don't necessarily have the time to walk to where a transit thing would be,

Starting point is 02:42:00 wait for it to show up, risk it not showing up on time, etc., etc. There's a big discussion around OpenPilot in floatplane chat and looks super cool i actually had considered upgrading my odyssey to one of the ones with the camera so that i could install it i think that's open pilot it was one of those like open source autonomous driving things i think it's that one uh but it's become so challenging to get like a new car that I just didn't. So that's where I was at on that one. Last message from Nye. This is a great green screen job. Any tips? Well, first, you're going to want the greenest possible screen.

Starting point is 02:42:36 Okay. See this one right here? Hold on. Got a lot of green in it. Well, here, I can't. I'm going gonna break this is this is this one of the algato green screens or is this just like i do believe yeah okay there you go see so that's the very edge of it right there so it's good it's very green okay

Starting point is 02:43:00 second you want it to be a screen, then you're going to need light. Okay, so you can see you got a, if you point the light toward the camera, your green screen is going to struggle a little. But you point the light at the green screen, boom. Like it's not even there. You got to illuminate the green.

Starting point is 02:43:19 Invisible. Second, we're using OBS, and I think Dan configured it So good work, Dan Shout out, Dan Yeah, there's little things you can do To kind of tune it and tweak it This actually worked surprisingly well

Starting point is 02:43:36 A lot of people Every time I did something To mess with the effect There was a lot of people that were really surprised That I'm not just sitting there Because it's not that noticeable especially because we put the the real fake water bottles.com uh water bottles here to mask what was a problem last time where luke was just like a floating torso above the desk yeah and like i would also point out in in regards to i'm getting

Starting point is 02:44:01 to it theo relax um i would also like to point out that we're not using in the past for remote calls like when we throw the entire quarantine for example we use discord and in the past whenever we had to remote call someone in in general we would use discord we use skype I can't even remember everything we've used over time but we've used a bunch of different stuff and it's always been pretty annoying because you have to like screen grab the call window. And whenever that person hangs up, it'll just like, I mean, you're screen grabbing, so we'll just show whatever is there, which can sometimes be problematic, and etc, etc. So we're using, we're using ping.gg, which is a new service that you can check out. And I mean, this was a fair bit of a stress test, because the

Starting point is 02:44:46 initial idea was that we were just going to use this to intro the, the, the new lead of labs, which so far has been delayed, like every single week. But then we were like, instead of doing this really short segment, where we're gonna do that, we're actually going to use it for the entire show to call Linus in. And it's worked great the whole time. It's nice because instead of, like I said, screen grabbing, we just add a browser source and boom, it's there. It's been good. It was stable the whole show, so it was good.

Starting point is 02:45:16 Alright, I think that's pretty much it. I think it's time to call it, ladies and gentlemen. Hope you enjoyed the WAN show this week. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Oh, there's four merch messages in queue,

Starting point is 02:45:29 but that have not actually shown yet. Uh, I'm sorry that you missed out on them, but Hey, thanks for buying. Uh, thanks for buying water bottles, guys.

Starting point is 02:45:39 There's a lot of you who did it and that's very nice. Enjoy your water. Bye. I actually can't kill the stream from here, and I can't roll the outro. Oh, outro. I can roll the outro, I think. Bye-bye. you

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