The WAN Show - I Hate Facebook Marketplace - WAN Show March 29, 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 oh it might have what's up everyone and welcome to the wan show we've got a great show lined up for you guys this week the big topics are of course that bitcoin is not a beanie baby no that's right not the sec has told us no bitcoin is not in fact beanie babies also falling sales might mean a pivot to allowing additional game stores on the xbox not to mention uh handheld okay this seems like we're off to an interesting start oh right i i'm sorry i'm doing three today because i forgot about the headline topic that isn't in the doc oh yeah i hate facebook marketplace and I want to talk about that. It made me extremely angry today. I want to talk about what solutions there might be to that.

Starting point is 00:00:51 But, yeah. Anyways, my topic, I guess, will be Sora Goes to Hollywood. Oh, my. No, you can do two topics. It wasn't the writer. Okay, I'll do two then. Google ordered to ID YouTube users.

Starting point is 00:01:04 Oh, yeah. That should have been the biggest topic and this could actually be a huge deal yeah we'll talk about that the show is brought to you today by ag1 ridge and vessi all right why don't we jump right into you know what let's do let's do the youtube topic the youtube thing yeah this is kind of a big deal okay so there's been actually youtube's been in the news for a couple of things this week uh there was an analysis done on them that um their valuation might be somewhere north of around 400 billion dollars which would make them more valuable than disney and comcast combined which is funny because YouTube seems to kind of

Starting point is 00:02:06 fly under the radar on a lot of regulatory stuff. Like Google or Alphabet gets talked about, but YouTube, it's like, I don't know, yeah, man. Like, I don't know. It's just YouTube, right? Like, whatever. YouTube is a flipping enormous company, if it were its own company.

Starting point is 00:02:29 But with being a big company comes big responsibility toward your users. And I don't know if I'm convinced that Google is doing everything that they could to take care of YouTube's users. Let's have a little listen. I guess, Luke, do you want to read us through what exactly happened this week? Because this... Luke, do you want to read us through what exactly happened this week? Because this... Maybe I'm just naive. But this really surprised me. Really?

Starting point is 00:02:52 Yeah. Anyways, I'll get into it. We'll talk about how it might surprise or not surprise more in a moment. But by the way, Dan, I think my monitoring's dead. According to recent unsealed court documents, federal investigators have ordered Google to unmask users who watch certain YouTube videos. Uncover agents sent links to these videos to a suspected cryptocurrency launderer watched the videos between January 1st and the 8th, including names, addresses, telephone numbers, user activity, and IP addresses. The videos were tutorials for mapping using AR software and drones, which have been watched

Starting point is 00:03:37 over 30,000 times altogether. So that's the biggest problem. There are plenty of problems that we can talk about, but that's the number of users that got caught in the crossfire of what supposedly was supposed to be a targeted sting. I'm wondering if... I'm wondering why you would do that. And I'm guessing that it's because they didn't want to send a video with like zero views

Starting point is 00:04:09 so that it would look suspicious or something. No, I think people just actually watched it, Luke. They uploaded this video and they'd be like, oh, this is interesting. Well, almost anything can get views on YouTube, right? That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a separate incident,

Starting point is 00:04:23 investigators ordered Google to provide a list of accounts that interacted with eight YouTube live streams after noticing a live stream camera near the site of a bomb threat. One of those live streams was posted by Boston and Maine Live, which had around 130,000 subscribers. Again, it's unclear whether Google provided any information in this case, but a Google spokesperson claimed that the company has a rigorous process for determining whether law enforcement requests are legally valid or inappropriate and overly broad. Privacy experts have described these orders as potentially unconstitutional because they treat innocent people as potential criminal suspects simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, violating their Fourth Amendment protection from unreasonable search

Starting point is 00:05:10 and their First Amendment right to free speech and free association. So here's the thing. Not only were they in the wrong place at the wrong time, and, you know, sorry, I have a bit of not chocolate stuck in my throat it's really deep back there um not only are they kind of put groping people into buckets based on who they're associating with and where they were and at what time i I mean, there are certain situations where, you know what? Too bad. That's kind of valid.

Starting point is 00:05:49 You know, like if you were in Hitler's, you know, planning room for the Holocaust, you know what? I'm afraid you're kind of complicit at that point. If you're there, there's probably other reasons. Yeah, exactly. More than just location. You probably ain't completely innocent. That's all I'm trying to say, right?

Starting point is 00:06:11 So, yeah, okay. Fair enough. You were in this very, very bad place at a very, very bad time. And there's simply no other reason to be there at that time. You could maybe kind of make an argument there. That doesn't mean it's constitutional or whatever i'm not a legal scholar but what it means is that there might be some fire where that smoke be yeah but youtube just a random youtube video especially you might not have even

Starting point is 00:06:36 been there it might have been on autoplay just some random live stream of an account that has 130 subs or a video on like ar software and drones i've watched ar software and drone videos yeah but i'm talking to autoplay luke yeah oh yeah definitely yeah you might have not you i might have legitimately not even been in that room it's like if someone took your phone and was like i'ma play pokemon go with this guy's phone and they just poke go somewhere and they end up at like a rally for you know

Starting point is 00:07:06 some kind of hate group or something right right yeah and then people people be like

Starting point is 00:07:13 yeah you're associated I wasn't even there I had nothing to do with this there was a Mewtwo there what do you think I'm supposed to do exactly are you kidding me

Starting point is 00:07:21 it was a shiny one it's crazy so so this is Linus needs to chill with his hot takes. This is not a hot take. This is terrible. The fact that simply by watching a video, and again, Luke.

Starting point is 00:07:37 You can become a suspect. I shouldn't even, even I think the word suspect might be too strong. But you're on a list. You shouldn't be able to be on a list based on that you watched a video about a knife one time. Because that's the thing. And I know I'm about to...

Starting point is 00:07:55 Hold on, hold on. I know the slippery slope argument has all kinds of problems. But this is one of the slipperiest of slopes. Because there's all kinds of stuff that you can watch just because you have an academic interest. Yeah, like this isn't like how to use a drone to bomb people. Okay, okay. I was legitimately curious about those add-ons

Starting point is 00:08:18 that you can get for handguns that make them automatic. Okay, yeah, switches. What were they called? Glock something, I forget. Yeah, yeah, yeah, switches. What were they called? Glock something? Switches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, switches. And I was like, I was learning about it because I saw someone allege that, right, because, oh, some politician tried to ban them or something. Well, I mean, there's a bunch of different ways

Starting point is 00:08:34 to do it. Someone tried to ban them. I think you're talking about switches. Yeah, but someone was talking, some politician tried to ban it or something. And I saw someone say, yeah, like, they might as well ban 3D printers. And then someone else was like, well, actually, the 3D printed ones are going to last for like one round or three. And like, you know, really, it's these modifications that people are manufacturing and selling anyway. But the point is, no, not bump stocks.

Starting point is 00:08:59 It's a handheld one. You can do that. Guys, don't worry about it. You can do bump stocks with a pistol. It's not what he's talking about, though. It's not what I'm talking about. There's a bunch of different ways to do it. It's a handheld one. You can do that. Guys, don't worry about it. You can do bump stocks with a pistol. It's not what he's talking about, though. It's not what I'm talking about. There's a bunch of different ways to do it. It's unimportant.

Starting point is 00:09:10 The point is, yeah, don't worry about it. Not bump stocks. It was something else. I know what a bump stock is. That's a different thing. Anyway, the point is that I was like, oh, yeah. So what is this piece? How is it integral to the handgun

Starting point is 00:09:26 such that it like it obviously couldn't be involved in the actual combustion and expulsion of gas but why is it that then as a it couldn't be 3D printed I was just curious about it

Starting point is 00:09:41 and you know how we joke like you've made the joke I've made the joke the joke. I've made the joke. I mean, Dan's probably made the joke at some point. We joke about how like, oh yeah, reading that article or watching that video, I'm going to be on a list. Yeah. But what the actual fuck? Yeah, I probably just am.

Starting point is 00:09:59 Apparently. Because just because this is the first time we're hearing about it does not mean that this is the first time this has happened. It almost probably means that it isn is the first time we're hearing about it does not mean that this is the first time this has happened it almost probably means that it isn't the first time and there is literally anything on youtube yeah literally anything yeah quite yeah quite genuinely i don't think there's been anything that i've looked for on youtube that i didn't at least find something like heavily related to you know like i i got on a kick for a while of watching um scythe mowing on youtube it's actually amazing it's crazy have you never seen this i'm on it i'll

Starting point is 00:10:36 look it up it's actually wild it's super efficient it's really fast um i, you couldn't get that close to the ground with it, could you? Oh, no, you absolutely can. Yeah, this is like totally a thing. Look how low that is. I mean... And look how fast that was. One little sweep, got a big arc. That would have to be pretty sharp, eh? I think so,

Starting point is 00:11:02 yeah. And like, in the way that you're doing it, you see how she's piling up all the trimmings too yeah it just happens like automatically it's good for you it's like it's it's cool and she's like there's people that go like fast she hers looks relatively small and she's going a little bit slow there's people that like fly scythe mowing fast like this this oh wait is that a competition shut up is this a competition let's go dude scythe verse this has 19 million views 19 million views let's go dude dude how is how is every niche something that has like 20 million videos with yeah like tens of millions of views or whatever okay look at this look at them fly this is freaking wild yeah buddy doesn't

Starting point is 00:11:55 need a shirt and look at look at how much there's so much grass coming off it's a huge pile on the side and they're really going pretty quick especially when you consider the horizontal width here, because you'd have to do quite a few passes with a mower to actually do this. Dude, I would picnic on that lawn. Yeah, it's low. That's wild. Yeah. What the heck?

Starting point is 00:12:20 How have I never heard of this? Okay. Yeah, it's sick. All right, all right. Man, the Amish, they know what's up. Yeah, yeah, to be honest. Okay, sorry. What are we supposed to be talking about right now?

Starting point is 00:12:36 Right, right, Nisha's on YouTube. So I don't know what to say other than not cool YouTube, not cool US government and probably every government. Yeah. Oh, man. Speaking of governments, did you see those drone pics from North Korea? Drone? No.

Starting point is 00:12:55 Someone freaking went to the Chinese-North Korean border. Just some random person was like in China for some reason. They evidently are not there anymore but they were just like they just casually headed to the north korean border casually flew a consumer drone just into north korea man their cities are like stepford wives as f**k like it's weird dude it's unsettling it's like it's like if you told AI to generate a city and it just had no idea about, like, traffic lights. What?

Starting point is 00:13:30 Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, guys, look it up on Reddit. Look it up on Reddit. I can't remember the person's name or handle or whatever, but this is, like, going pretty viral right now, so you should be able to find it pretty easily. Yeah, check it out.

Starting point is 00:13:45 There's tons of this. Yeah, there's a ton of coverage of it. But look, look, look, look, look. You don't want the footage. Just get something like... Yeah, okay, fine. You can look at the footage. You want highlights?

Starting point is 00:13:57 No, no. It's 40 seconds long. Yeah, just make it big. I'm not going to bring it up on the show because I want people to go watch it. But like... I don't know, man. And there's like, there's like not a... Wait, what?

Starting point is 00:14:09 I'm noticing that there are actually intersections. What's happening? I don't know. There's like barely any cars though. I didn't see much like close up or anything. But apparently there's like not a shred of garbage anywhere. Because I don't know. I guess you get executed if you like... Dude. like close up or anything but apparently there's like not a shred of garbage anywhere because i don't know i guess you get executed if you like dude oh speaking of which i could not and then

Starting point is 00:14:30 japanese cities so clean oh yeah it was like a windstorm and it still was cleaner than our cities like at the best of times yeah anyway yeah anyway that's pretty well they could have they could have been freaking like disappeared for this i am amazed that they were ballsy enough to go to the border and just freaking fly a drone and the thing is like it's not they didn't stay that high all the time oh really oh no there's like there's shots of people like like because they they were flying low enough that people could 100 just see it wow that's pretty wild i've told you about that, I think on WAN Show even, of the

Starting point is 00:15:07 1,000 Volvo cars that are in North Korea. Yeah, we've talked about that before. That's a fun rabbit hole if you're bored. Oh, man. Supposedly footage is from 2020 during the pandemic. Yeah, I mean, I guess if I was going to do something like this,

Starting point is 00:15:26 I would probably sit on it until I am way the heck away from North Korea and China and anywhere that it could be a problem. Um, yeah, dude. Oh, anyway, that's wild.

Starting point is 00:15:38 Yeah. Super cool. Yeah. That sucks. That's frustrating that YouTube's doing that. Um, but sometimes like, what are they going to do?

Starting point is 00:15:45 Oh, speaking of North Korea, man, North Korea has come up a lot lately. Tanner got his hands on... There's this North Korean ad for, like, a Wii clone game console. Did he get it? We're going to play some games. Yeah, mainline LTT channel video that's exciting trying out the north korean we we clone i'm i'm legitimately very excited about

Starting point is 00:16:15 this video that's going to be coming in the next little bit that's got to be great i think any of them are going to feature their like dear leader whatever his name is i don't remember right now any of the games yeah i i'm not going to talk about the games at all but uh man i i just i have i've ended up north korea's just come up a lot for me recently i i just went down the rabbit hole where kim jong-il uh so so the current supreme ruler, whatever his title is, his dad, was like a film buff and wrote a book about film. Do you know about this? Have you heard about this? So I read a little bit of it.

Starting point is 00:16:55 It's like very, thank you, Captain Obvious, for the most part. But he was such a film buff that he, and I guess this is a compliment, kidnapped an actor and a filmmaker from South Korea and held them for over half a decade and forced them to make films in North Korea. Yeah, it's like a whole thing. Man, it's wild, dude. It's freaking wild. Kidnapped them and showed them his movie collections. Like how completely utterly like stunted do you have to be to think that that's an appropriate behavior? You know?

Starting point is 00:17:33 Oh my goodness. Um, she escaped on a trip in Europe. Yeah. Yeah. Like to a film festival or something like that. Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:41 So they, they, they like booked it for the, the U S embassy. Like, like there should be a movie about that i really should there probably is i'm sure someone's done it but no it should be like a big production man because you got all you got all your acts like laid out for you every everything's chill that and they captured her but only to like eventually capture him because he was the director. I'm like, oh, anyway.

Starting point is 00:18:07 What are we supposed to be talking about? Next topic. Oh, sure. Yeah. Oh, right. Do you want to talk about Facebook? I want to talk about Facebook. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:18 Okay. So we also did a video this week where we were analyzing the very good faith, honest listings that people make for selling their computers on marketplaces like Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. And I think that Luke and I both shared some frustration with how difficult it is to find, even just sort of separate from the video, we were browsing Facebook Marketplace as part of that exercise, but separate from the video, we were both really frustrated with how hard it is to use Facebook Marketplace and how fixable some of the biggest problems would be. So I'm sure you guys have seen this. So one of the things we ran into, so spoiler for the PC listings

Starting point is 00:19:06 video, was people who had listings that were like $20,000 for this basic computer, or like $100,000 for this old gaming rig or whatever else. And what we figured out pretty quickly was that these weren't necessarily scammers who thought anyone was going to pay $10,000 for a Core i5 system with a, you know, GTX 360 in it. But it was more people who were, okay, not scammers, but certainly not helpful, who were trying to game the system in order to just get exposure for their posting. I mean, mission accomplished. We ended up making a video about it, which is probably more than they expected. But you can see how common it is for people to put a really high price on something in hopes that someone will sort by price high to low and just see it. And then if they happen to be interested in the gaming PC, who knows, maybe they'll message you about it. Well, that reminded me of one of the

Starting point is 00:19:59 huge frustrations that I have on Facebook Marketplace. And I don't really know anybody at Facebook. So this is my attempt to get someone at Facebook's attention. If you work at Facebook, if a relative works at Facebook, if you know anyone who works at Facebook and has any influence on the Facebook Marketplace team, for the love of all that is good, ask them to fix this. Okay, Luke, bring up that posting. I just showed it. Yeah, good, ask them to fix this. Okay, Luke, bring up that post. I just showed it. Yeah, let's have a look at this. Okay, so we got gaming PC, one Canadian dollar.

Starting point is 00:20:31 Okay, this is categorized correctly. Electronics, desktop computers. I've got a description in the second slide. You want to flip over to the second slide and see how this description is looking? Flip on over here. Okay, yeah, that looks like a pretty complete, accurate spec list. I have boxes for everything. Hey, super cool.

Starting point is 00:20:47 Appreciate that. $2,000. Not looking for trades or offers. Had it for three months. Well, hold on a second. Because that said $1. Can we go back to the wide? Can we go back to the wide cap?

Starting point is 00:21:03 No, no, no. We're good. I realize I have controls too. and there's a lot of these there's like a huge oh right here here here here back yeah back to luke's laptop like there's no way these are all one dollar yeah click on it click on anything click on click on one dollar click on free anything yeah this is 121 dollars or best offer some other thing asking $75. Click on something else. That might actually be a dollar. PC building advice. Sure.

Starting point is 00:21:29 This one. Here we go. Here we go. Here's another one. $800. $800. Okay. So.

Starting point is 00:21:35 Or same value in gold mint. Or same value in gold mint condition. Okay. There should be a. Yeah, that's a really bad grammatical error. You really did obscure the meaning of what you were typing there. And so... Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

Starting point is 00:21:51 No, no, no, we're going back to your laptop. Okay, so Luke. Yeah. These are misleading posts. These are obviously meant to convey something that is not in fact true. So why don't you find one of these and report it? Because that should be a thing you can do because this completely eliminates the usability

Starting point is 00:22:11 of the sort by price functionality of Facebook Marketplace, right? Like you've got prices minimum to whatever range. This has broken the functionality of the site. So go ahead and report one, Luke. I wanna find, because some of these are like- Doesn't matter, click on anything. So go ahead and report one, Luke. I want to find... Because some of these are like... It doesn't matter. Click on anything.

Starting point is 00:22:27 Just click on it. Yeah, okay. Okay, go ahead and report it. There should be three dots somewhere. You are not logged into Facebook. Yeah. This could be a problem. Is that a limitation?

Starting point is 00:22:37 I don't see how you would report something if you aren't logged into the service in order to report it. And I am going to absolutely lose my mind right now because I am logged out of this thing for a reason. And I have no way of getting my login information right now. I'm trying to do a video podcast.

Starting point is 00:22:59 And one of these days I will get good. Do you still have to say video podcast? No, I just like it nice yeah i like the needless clarification i respect that um okay let's see if i can get this code hold on 2fa incoming yeah i love i love two-factor authentication so much it keeps my things so safe except when you know i get sim swapped or whatever hey did you see that recent thing with um uh who was it i think someone had to pay a settlement over sim swap oh no no no right right right right right some manager at a mobile

Starting point is 00:23:31 at a mobile provider uh admitted to facilitating sim swaps for a grand that's how easy it is the humans the humans are always the weakest point my brethren yep drives me crazy that's brutal you can build the best system for anything ever and if you don't take all the humans out of it it's doomed to fail drives me nuts or from the what to the you did not t-mobile manager took 2k for any sim swap yeah two thousand dollars oh i'm sorry i think there's a different story oh really they're T-Mobile manager took 2K for any SIM swap. Yeah. $2,000. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no. I think this is a different story.

Starting point is 00:24:07 Oh, really? They're talking about how they knew them. Oh, my God. All right. Here we go. How do I... What? Well, where do I enter the login code?

Starting point is 00:24:21 Oh, no. There it goes. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Sure. I have to exit that. Watching Linus log into things is

Starting point is 00:24:25 like an actually very entertaining pastime because it takes so long ah someone yes someone recently tried to i know i just entered a code i just wait what from it because you set up two-factor authentication your account is temporarily locked what do you mean locked what are you even talking about uh yesterday i mean i don't know okay here we go all right i got this i got this let's put that away and let's go on facebook marketplace let's go shopping shall we it's shopping time uh okay it's always fun to it's always fun to look at my facebook oh this is uh this is actually surprisingly funny look at that a snap-on thing why is that funny i don't know there's definitely something funny just because oh all right let's keep moving wow um wow even dad it's like come on i look i'm just i'm just saying grand for a

Starting point is 00:25:29 fallout guy uh tell me you wouldn't pay that much tell me you wouldn't no chance dude it was made for promoting fallout 76 when it launched these were never sold in stores luke never sold in stores you gotta rip the sign off of there okay Okay. You got to take the 76 off. That's brutal. Ouch. All right. So let's find a free computer case. Ah, yes.

Starting point is 00:25:51 Boom. Wait a second. Wait a second. Do you recognize this? That thing's such a piece of trash. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. Is it not?

Starting point is 00:26:06 Wasn't this the brushed aluminum panels that like immediately stained the second you used them? Wait, hold on a second. I... Oh, no, no. This is like a 2013 case, isn't it? I thought this was... Hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:26:19 Hold on a second. Okay, guys, we're about to go on a little side quest here. BitPhoenix Pandora, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I'm... BitPhoenix Pandora, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I'm BitPhoenix Pandora. We did a review of it. Yeah. Oh, wait.

Starting point is 00:26:31 Hold on. I knew I'd seen that before. Look. Oh, man. They stole our bros at Hardware Canucks. They stole their thumbnail for their Facebook post. That's rough. How much you want to bet

Starting point is 00:26:49 that this case... That is a really... You know, I should have noticed because it is a way too nice photo. Yeah. The Facebook Marketplace photo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Freaking awesome.

Starting point is 00:26:59 Anyway, not free. Send offers. Hey, I did this video. Zero dollars in stock. Okay, okay hold on we're off the side quest now we're back we're back to the main quest okay so here's here's where you go you can report this listing inaccurate description oh whoops okay well that's not actually what i meant to do uh hold on well anyway i mean it kind of is but it's also not the description of it is accurate that's what it is they're not really promoting a business they're not selling an animal they don't

Starting point is 00:27:30 have no intent to sell it's not weapon or drugs it's not sexualized content it's not discrimination it's not abusive or harmful it's not really a scam kind of is a little bit 100%, but a little bit. They need a specific report for failure to disclose the price. You'll see so many things on Facebook Marketplace, which overall, I actually really appreciate existing. It is so much better than the old days of Craigslist and people, I don't know, maybe having an email in there, maybe having a phone number, maybe responding to people. Maybe being a real person. Facebook, for all of its flaws,

Starting point is 00:28:19 steals so much of your data that it knows that you're a real person and is pretty good at connecting real people to other real people. But this has become a complete plague on the platform it's actually unusable at this point and i even if you're like if you want to sort from low to high you you like can't get out of the dregs here no you can't because there's so many listed for free or one dollar or whatever like fake listings exactly can't really get and i came across this because we we did that video recently with the ps5 killer where we built a system out of just the cheapest possible components that we could get um targeting 500 for the completed build but but still being decent for gaming. And what I ran into was compared to when I did it a little while earlier,

Starting point is 00:29:10 like, I don't know, maybe a year ago or something. I don't remember the last time I sorted by lowest and searched for computer cases because you can absolutely get just ratty computer cases for free or for 10 bucks. Because people are just trying to get rid of them it is a hundred percent a thing but the problem is that and they still exist they are still all

Starting point is 00:29:31 over facebook marketplace people just trying to get rid of a point not that long ago but how you you can get computer cases for free and it was hard to prove because there's so many like stupid listings that i actually couldn't find one. But they are out there. Yes. It's just, it takes flipping forever to dig through all the people. Free custom PC building and upgrades. That is not what free means. Yeah, click on that one, actually. That's a service.

Starting point is 00:29:58 I'm offering a completely free PC building and upgrade service. The service is free. The parts are not. I've been finding I have a lot of free time. Okay, that may actually be free. Maybe. Maybe. It also might just be a scam.

Starting point is 00:30:12 I don't know. Who knows? The point, though, is that that is a thing that's absolutely out there, but it's really hard to find because people are just inserting their random stuff that isn't free into my free stuff that I'm looking for. So I'm just, I'm real frustrated with this. And if anyone from Facebook is watching this,

Starting point is 00:30:32 I'd like you to know that this is not okay. This harms the user. It has no benefit to Facebook whatsoever. If anything, you should want people posting what these things are actually worth, because I'm sure that that that's data that you're mining what was the last price something was listed for what was it using machine vision or whatever on the pictures and uh you know who was it sold to who was the last person they were talking to like all that stuff is absolutely being mined by facebook and so it's not helpful for your data collection to have people listing stuff for free that is not, in fact, free.

Starting point is 00:31:07 So please, please fix your stuff, and thank you very much. This is a sidebar thing. We've done two topics. This is a sidebar thing, but PC builders, free, zero dollars. We are young entrepreneurs anticipated to build your computer.

Starting point is 00:31:23 You're giving away a video that's coming soon. DM for more info. Price is negotiable. Do better postings than that. Yeah, we are definitely going to be hiring someone on Craigslist at some point. Oh, nice. We're not going to do it soon now because we're talking about it on WAN Show, and I'd like for it to be a surprise.

Starting point is 00:31:43 I don't want anyone baiting us. you know, we're talking about it on WAN Show and I'd like for it to be a surprise. I don't want anyone baiting us. But yeah, I just, we're going to pit like Craigslist versus Facebook Marketplace versus Kijiji or something. Yeah, like, or some, we'll put some, we'll put some kind of fun spin on it, but something along those lines.

Starting point is 00:31:57 Or like me versus someone on Facebook Marketplace who volunteered to build my computer. No guys, I'm not saying this is a price bait and switch. It might be. What I was pointing out is that if you're trying to start a business by working on computers, write a better post than that.

Starting point is 00:32:12 Yeah. No one's going to message you. We are young entrepreneurs anticipated to build computers. DM for more info. No one's going to care. There's so many different offers like this. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:23 Write a better post. Stand out. I don't care. Worst case scenario like this yeah like write a better post stand i don't care or worst worst case scenario rip off someone else's better post anything is better than that just do something yeah yep because man it's not even it it doesn't even matter how good your computer is at that point people will assume it's bad because if you can't be arsed to write a decent description then what are the odds you're going to be arsed to cable manage my computer? Yeah, the photo is also terrible as well. Like clearly not yours.

Starting point is 00:32:48 You clearly ripped this off from somebody. Yeah. So like the whole thing just sucks. Do a better job. Anyways. I'd like to see how, you know, your self-starter entrepreneur business goes. Oh, wait, I can see how that goes.

Starting point is 00:33:07 Let's watch Luke mow lawns. Someone brought up this video. Apparently, it was how they were introduced to the channel. Really? Yeah, I ran into someone a couple days ago. This was the first video they ever saw. Yeah. Because not many people saw this video.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Yeah, he was like, yeah, I watched summer jobs. And I was like i was like what he's like yeah you in line it's like mowing things and like picking berries i was like really because this was supposed to be a whole series yeah like we had a whole bunch of ideas for um man why did i think this was funny mow grass mow problems i remember yeah yeah because we take care of the problems we mow them we mow the was funny mow grass mow problems i remember yeah man because we take care of the problems we mow them we mow the grass we mow your problems they're gone problems be shortened oh man oh why do you let me get away with this stuff because really you're i mean yeah this is one of those things where it's kind of like what i was talking about before where i just showed up and the shirt was there where there's certain places you are at certain times that make you complicit

Starting point is 00:34:07 basically a nazi i i really liked this series i'm i wish it did a little better to be completely oh yeah i wanted to do way more of this kind of stuff what's funny is there's creators that effectively do this now as their whole thing and they are very successful really so it's the problem is i think we were like early or we just suck yeah one of the two so we have good good ideas and bad execution yeah what am i even looking at here why why is this why is this the viewership spike because people are coming back after the ad spot come on now no but that's too big oh that's way too big of a spike i have no idea maybe it's that this is finally where i managed to get someone

Starting point is 00:34:49 to agree to let me mow their lawn a long time i had forgotten in between painting houses and doing this series how very very very much work door-to-door sales are you better get used to just constant rejection what was that that was what someone said from inside their house can't come to the door i'm naked okay like okay sure i also because i i had done the mowing lawns thing and lots of other stuff when i was a kid as well and i think when you're like 12 there's a much higher chance they're just going to be like, yeah, whatever, sure. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:27 When you're like just some grown-up dude. Yeah, 30. With a Mo Grass Mo Problems shirt or whatever, I think there's a much lower chance. That you literally made yourself with an inkjet transfer. Yeah. The quality was not good.

Starting point is 00:35:42 Yeah. It was not good. Yeah. Yeah, SB M mowing dude's whole channel is going to random houses with overgrown lawns and mowing it for them um i think he does that he does it for free i think i've i've actually heard of that and those are like extreme overgrown situations we were just going to people's houses with like lawns that were probably mostly fine yeah like he yeah He tackles some... You can't even see the sidewalk,

Starting point is 00:36:07 and he's clearing it out. This is kind of a different... It's almost like restoration videos. Yeah. Yeah, definitely a thing. Some of these videos have a ton of views, dude. I know someone who watches these just for almost relaxing background noise.

Starting point is 00:36:24 Yeah, I can see that yeah this is great she thought i was crazy till she realized there's a sidewalk there whoa like what 23 million views i know right dang i know we gotta mow more lawns there's so many niches no we gotta mow more lawns. There's so many niches. No, we've got to mow more sidewalks. Yeah, that's true. All right. Next topic? I don't know, Dan. What are we even supposed to be doing right now? He said next topic, I think.

Starting point is 00:36:53 Yeah, but he said that because we thought we had only done one. Sorry, next topic. Yeah. Topic two is also just another topic if you're too far along. No, we've already done two topics, Dan. Okay, do you want to move on or you want to do a third topic yeah yeah okay on merch messages i guess okay cool let's do it uh merch messages they're the way to interact with the show don't send a twitch bit don't send uh whatever the other

Starting point is 00:37:15 things are called super chat you want to send a merch message because it will come up down here like trev john b so sorry is it trevor or is it john no it's trev john trev john got him um the best of both worlds actually yeah i love it like you wouldn't want to be orathan yeah yeah it's much better to be trev john i actually agree yeah anyway the point is no offense if your name is orathan yeah orathan strong name good name yep uh anyway the point is your message will show up down here or it'll go over to producer dan who will reply to it uh or it will uh get forwarded to someone internally who can answer it for you or it will go to me and luke as a curated merch message and it will become a topic of

Starting point is 00:38:05 discussion for the show in order to send one all you got to do is head on over to lttstore.com and in the cart there will be a box that you fill out with a merch message and it'll show up in our dashboard and instead of just throwing money at the screen, hey, you get to also get some high-quality merchandise delivered directly to your door. Oh, and there's a couple of pretty important things that are going on on the store right now. Today is the last day of our free shipping for your entire order promo. Oh. Yes, for the retro colorway of the LTT screwdriver. free shipping for your entire order promo. Oh. Yes. For the retro colorway of the LTT screwdriver.

Starting point is 00:38:54 So under tools, screwdriver, this colorway. Here you go. Gives you free shipping for your entire order. Yes, that includes international and overseas. Man, I was reading through reviews on the site again the other day it is amazing like how many outstanding reviews we get of everything it's almost like the products are really good it's really cool uh thank you guys so much for your feedback i really do appreciate those reviews and i do read them um someone changed their floatplane name to Aurathan. I know that you changed it.

Starting point is 00:39:30 I just want to know what the other option was. What Aurathan? I'm sorry. That's not even a joke. That's just nothing. I deserve nothing. Why are you laughing? Why do you enable me?

Starting point is 00:39:41 That is so bad. Oh, man. You know what's really bad? It's the state of my back right now. This is a good couch. Yeah, do you want me to pop it oh man you know what's really bad is the state of my back right now this is a good couch yeah do you want me to do you want me to pop it up uh you know what that's actually not a terrible idea all right um yeah well i'll get the merch messages started in the meantime oh right no no i'll show them i'll show them the other really exciting thing that's going on on the store okay okay okay so after you add your screwdriver see i don't get it but you guys are gonna love this apparently because you guys can't resist this stuff.

Starting point is 00:40:06 Okay, so watch this. Okay, view cart. One of the really cool features that we have on the store is called the bonus bin. When you place an order, you're allowed to select a free complimentary gift. We don't like sending unsolicited gifts, so if you don't want anything, you don't have to.

Starting point is 00:40:22 It does cost us money. Sorry, what'd you say? I said, Dan, this is going to be rough. Okay. I don't know. Yeah,, you don't have to. It does cost us money. Sorry, what did you say? I said, Dan, this is going to be rough. Okay. I don't know. Yeah, so we don't have to send you anything, but we also don't want to cheap out on you, so we let you pick what complimentary gift you want.

Starting point is 00:40:38 And we've got some new stuff. Just a little more, Luke. That feels pretty good on my butt. Okay, I'm good. Thank you for filling up my butt holder. No problem. Oh, even the outside. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:58 That's what's failing. It seems to be a problem. I don't know where that is. So good luck, everybody. I am meanwhile going to show you guys all the new pins we have. Pin series four is here. We've got a CD, other more different CD. Ooh, RGB edition. We've got the stubby screwdriver as a pin. We've got loving two-factor authentication as a pin. And the one that's going to make Floatplane flip out the most, the bread-saurus enamel pin.

Starting point is 00:41:37 Yeah, Luke, you're going to have to give her a little more, buddy. It's working really well over here, so it might be another one on that side. No, no, no. I can feel it filling back up I can feel it in my butt okay I think we're good yep that's really great except the framing for the show is wrong now

Starting point is 00:41:53 I can fix no problem no no you're good Dan I need blood in my legs anyway yeah that makes sense that would be nice okay cool anyway Luke have you seen the bread soros pin yet no but i have

Starting point is 00:42:05 now it's fantastic is that amazing or what it's pretty amazing absolutely love it all right have a seat what plane's going crazy have a seat right over there oh wow i know yeah we're um this is a huge whoa i'm too tall now we're actually i'm too i'm too tall which is like i haven't felt that way since I was in Japan I actually didn't I didn't even I didn't even notice until I was thinking about that um you know Europeans will often talk about going to Japan and feeling out of place and I was like well I don't I found my people yeah exactly everyone seems exactly the right size. Yeah, so bread source. I have a feeling, Dan, that there's about to be an order-splosion

Starting point is 00:42:56 because I suspect people didn't realize that the pins were as amazing as they are. And as usual, the pins are not limited edition. They're not limited print. They're not limited print. They're not numbered or anything like that. But I have no idea when or if we will ever make these designs again. So if you want one, you should probably move pretty quickly

Starting point is 00:43:16 and get any pins that you want. Do you know if we're still doing the pins of my birds? I have no idea. Okay. Yeah, that would be a Sarah question. Sarah, got it. Sarah takes care of idea. Okay. Yeah, that would be a Sarah question. Sarah, got it. Sarah takes care of that. Sarah.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Anyway, Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple of merch messages? Sure thing. This one's from Dylan. Hi, LLD. What is the worst stunt a company has tried to pull on a consumer in your lifetime? Oh, wow. I mean, dude, there's like, what what what what what was uh uh who who was who was the defendant johnson and johnson in the in the baby powder thing where they marketed that powder

Starting point is 00:43:52 specifically for babies that it turns out is like bad for your respiratory system oh wow like and didn't they try to declare hold on hold on before uh johnson and johnson baby powder settlement uh johnson johnson will pay 700 million dollars and then didn't they try to didn't they try to pull a move where they were gonna like declare bankruptcy or spin it out to a different company or something in order to claim they had no money or something. I don't remember all the details, but like, dude, no, no, no, no. Johnson & Johnson reached his deal for 8.9 billion talc settlement, facing a flood of lawsuits claiming that their talc products cause cancer. I mean, there is no such thing as a worst thing that a company has done, worst thing that a company has done um because there's always a new bar man i i'm sorry i just i have no idea how to even respond to that what's next um how would you guys recommend

Starting point is 00:44:57 dealing with the possibility of your company being purchased by a huge investment firm i'm scared oh interesting so is this uh i, I think it's their company is going to be purchased, not LMG. Okay. Well, you know, who would actually be best qualified to answer this question is Luke, because for me as a, as the owner of the company, how would I feel? Well, there's no risk of that. We're not a publicly traded company, so there's no possibility of a hostile takeover. The only way to take over the company is to reach an agreement with me to buy the company. But Luke, I'm sure you had a lot of things going through your mind back when we had the offer on the company, and I talked to you about it, where I think the goal

Starting point is 00:45:41 of the acquiring company, and obviously my goal was for the company to continue to be a good place to work, that I would want to work and my friends would want to work and that would keep making money for the acquirer, because otherwise, why would they buy it? So, you know, knowing that in good faith, everyone wanted the company to be good, I'm sure you still had some concerns. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure in without mincing words, I said I didn't think I'd last more than two years, something like that. Yeah, I don't remember exactly what I said. I hadn't planned to mention that. I don't know. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, it doesn't matter. The deal's dead. Yeah. I just mean, throughout the deal. Oh, yeah, that's not something I would have mentioned.

Starting point is 00:46:26 I mean, I knew that. I said I would give it a shot, you know, but I just, I was like, I'm...

Starting point is 00:46:33 But like, what were your concerns? Not made for this world. I don't know. You hear like, think about Facebook and Oculus. Yeah. Right?

Starting point is 00:46:40 Like this, this is a story that has repeated itself many times throughout history. We are going to buy this company. We are going to make no changes. We're going to do it exactly the same way that they did it because we recognize that the strategy that has brought them their current success has been so effective.

Starting point is 00:46:58 And we respect that. And we blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everyone knows what to say. It's actually funny how probably easily okay we haven't had a chat gpt moment on the show in quite some time yeah i'm gonna ask i'm gonna get you to talk about you know sort of how you were feeling a little bit more sure and i'm gonna ask chat gpt to write up a statement for me announcing my mega corporations takeover of a small competitor nice yeah we'll see how that goes yeah uh but yeah i just i assumed it would like i don't know i've always had

Starting point is 00:47:34 some amount of issue with us like becoming a big company um but i think we've done a lot of the the right things right if if that makes sense. And it's been okay. There's some parts of being a big company that I still don't love. But there are also some parts of it that I think are pretty freaking cool. Like we can do some pretty insane things right now that would not have been possible if we were still 10 people. Like how would we have made Screwdriver? Would have never happened.

Starting point is 00:48:06 So there's positives and negatives but i often do shift towards small company now when you have big conglomerate consuming small company that isn't like this reasonable growth rate where you can kind of get used to the size increase and start understanding how to operate within this bigger thing and try to make sure that you keep the benefits of the small team within the big team, all that kind of stuff. That's a sudden massive takeover of a ginormous company that is going to impose a lot of big company things onto the small company, whether they say they're going to or not. It's like going to happen because they have to be responsible for more stuff that big

Starting point is 00:48:43 companies have to be responsible for. So I thought it would kill the culture. I thought it would kill my drive to be involved in it. And frankly, there's lots of other things that I could go do if I wanted to. But I don't want to. But if that happened, I maybe would have wanted to. Because in no small part, I was rather certain that he also wouldn't have lasted. I wanted to try to.

Starting point is 00:49:07 Yep. And I said that I would have as well. And you might have. I don't know. I don't know. I'm a little bit more convinced now that you might have been able to. Really?

Starting point is 00:49:20 Compared to then. I was feeling pretty burned out back then. I think that's a big part of why I was entertaining it at all um and i think honestly i think going through that process was part of figuring out if i still had it in me uh i don't know that that would have been my exit strategy regardless of whether i was done or not i might have just hung up the screwdriver and said see ya um but like i i just i think i think it was just part of figuring out okay what's worth more to me doing this job or a giant bucket of money yeah um you know some days i'm just like i don't want to get up but that's work right you also have to like the the decline that you see in

Starting point is 00:50:03 people after they retire. Yeah. Is like pretty intense. Oh, dude, I'd be so bored. And there's some people, you know, that don't do that. But those people almost always are people that are going to have very involved hobbies or that like start up something else. Maybe it's a group of people, a nonprofit or something

Starting point is 00:50:21 that they like, it's just a new thing that they pour all their time into. Maybe it doesn't have to be as successful as their career was, but it's like some new thing. But you have to keep moving. You have to keep trying things. You have to keep the mental stimulation high or else you'll decline fast. You know about the, you know, there was kind of like a wave of recent high profile content creator retirements. Do you remember talking to me about those at all? Do you remember me saying I didn't think they'd last? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:50 Have any of them lasted at this point? No, I don't think so. I have something pretty funny to show you. I was invited to a party recently, which is a first for me, by the way. Good job. Good job. Congratulations. Linus doesn't get invited to parties. recently which is a first for me by the way so um good job good job congratulations

Starting point is 00:51:08 linus doesn't get invited to parties well no normally i have to i have to throw them i have to pay for the whole thing yeah and then i have to pay people to come to them it's like fair i've invited you and you've never come um made it i don't know i'm pretty sure i came to uh i did I'm pretty sure I came to I did you had a games night when you were living in the basement here still I met that couple

Starting point is 00:51:31 yeah and you explained all about that couple to me okay yeah you know I know you were talking about earlier today are you not allowed to say that i i'm not sure okay yeah i'm not sure if it's uh i'm not sure if it's private or not but basically um it seems like very few people kind of figured out that like busy people, like they don't stay,

Starting point is 00:52:05 they don't stay not busy. Uh, man, like my, uh, my family has been out of town this week and I have no idea what to do with myself when I am not just swamped with working on the company, working on family stuff. Like I,

Starting point is 00:52:27 um, I was just like, well, I guess I'll go play badminton tonight. I have absolutely nothing else to do. I have nothing else. And like, I think that can work. Like if you literally just played badminton like every day or something, at least you're doing something. It would probably get old.

Starting point is 00:52:44 It would just get really boring. But that's it. I've got work. I've got my family and I've got badminton. So you take away, if you take away any, and like my kids are going to move out

Starting point is 00:52:52 at some point. So one of them is going to, one of them is going to end up significantly less time consuming at some point. And so if you take away work, like, or like, yeah, man, I'd go crazy.

Starting point is 00:53:04 I'd go crazy, man. Yeah, I'm pretty strong on the mental stimulation stuff. I always try to have something good. You know what, Dan? Don't tighten it all the way. If you can get it just right, then it'll droop with us. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Starting point is 00:53:20 I'm kidding. Well, that's a lie. No, no, no, no, no. I'm kidding, Dan. Anyway, Luke, I'd like you, instead of worrying about any of that, to listen to this carefully crafted statement. Okay. Dear new team member, we are thrilled to extend a warm welcome to each and every one of you as we embark on an exciting new chapter together. on an exciting new chapter together.

Starting point is 00:53:43 As you may be aware, your company name has recently acquired, acquired company name, and we couldn't be more enthusiastic about the prospect of joining forces with such a talented and dynamic team. We understand that any transition, especially one involving a merger or acquisition,

Starting point is 00:53:58 can be accompanied by uncertainty and apprehension. Please rest assured that our primary goal throughout this process is to ensure a smooth and seamless integration, one that prioritizes the well-being and success of every individual involved. Here at Your Company Name,

Starting point is 00:54:12 we firmly believe in fostering a culture of collaboration, respect, and inclusivity. We recognize and appreciate the unique strengths and perspectives that each of you

Starting point is 00:54:19 brings to the table, and we are committed to creating an environment where everyone feels valued, supported, and empowered to thrive. In the coming days and weeks, you can expect open communication channels, transparent updates, and ample opportunities for feedback and dialogue. We're here to listen to your concerns, answer your questions, and address any challenges that

Starting point is 00:54:38 may arise along the way. While change can be daunting, it also presents countless opportunities for growth, innovation, and shared success. Together, we have the chance to achieve remarkable things and make a lasting impact in our industry and beyond. Once again, welcome to the Your Company Name family. We are honored and excited to have you on board, and we look forward to getting to know each of you better as we embark on this journey together. Wow. So the prompt I gave was, my large company is about to acquire a smaller competitor.

Starting point is 00:55:08 We want to craft a statement to send to the new team to assuage their fears. Can you please provide a template? That was the most generic sounding horse shit that I think I have ever heard. It sure was. To be fair, you usually get generic sounding horse stuff. But what I was going to say is, but it was only the most generic sounding because there are so many other things it's tied with yeah it's the same as all good point

Starting point is 00:55:31 my biggest problem with that is that just reeks so hard of like big company crap side tech evo says it's horribly perfect yeah it's it's it says exactly the right thing because it has absolutely no personality whatsoever because it's an ai or it's a generic like comms person we're talking about how you even did 3.5 instead of four um have i ever talked to you about how oh sorry good uh do you even have it under your plan are you sure upgraded plus no i don't yeah i do but i'm not logged into that account um it's really really good for at least i haven't messed with 3.5 with this but i'm sure it's still fine um four is really good at legal writing oh yeah very good so like man is is are we about to enter the era of cease and desist to everyone over everything? Oh, probably.

Starting point is 00:56:25 I guarantee. Tell it to write a cease and desist right now, even with 3.5. I mean, sure. Yeah. I guarantee you it would do just fine. Oh, man. My neighbor's kid. It's very good.

Starting point is 00:56:41 Because I find that usually the first pass won't sound super legal easy but you can you can poke it and be like nah make it more legal easy make it more legal easy and just keep going and it'll keep making it just like my neighbor's kid keeps trespassing on my lawn can you write up a cease and desist that sounds like it came from an expensive lawyer? Here we go. Your name, your address, city, state, zip code, your email address, your phone number, date, your neighbors, etc. Re-cease and desist demand regarding trespassing. I'm writing to you on behalf of your name, the legal owner and resident of your address. It has come to my attention that on numerous occasions your child, child's name, has trespassed onto my property located at your address. It has come to my attention that on numerous occasions, your child, child's name, has trespassed onto my property located at your address. Despite prior informal

Starting point is 00:57:28 requests to cease such behavior, the trespassing persists, causing both inconvenience and potential liability concerns. Trespassing is a violation of property rights and is actionable under the laws of this jurisdiction. As such, I demand you immediately instruct your child to refrain from entering onto my property without express permission. Failure to comply with this demand will leave me with no choice but to pursue legal action to protect my property rights. Furthermore, I must emphasize the importance of your responsibility as a parent to ensure that your child understands the consequences of their actions and respects the boundaries of others' properties. Continuation of this behavior will not be tolerated and may result in further legal

Starting point is 00:58:00 action. Please govern your child's conduct accordingly and take the necessary steps to prevent any future trespassing incidents. I trust that this matter will be resolved amicably and without the need for further escalation. This letter serves as formal notice of my demand. I expect prompt compliance with this demand and confirmation of such compliance in writing within, insert a reasonable timeframe, e.g. seven days, of the date of this letter.

Starting point is 00:58:21 Should you have any questions or require clarification regarding this matter, do not hesitate to contact me at your earliest convenience. See, and if you received that, because so many legal letters are very... Yeah. However, please be advised that any communication should be directed

Starting point is 00:58:36 through my legal representative to ensure proper documentation and adherence to legal protocol. Thank you for your immediate attention to this matter. It would sound legit if I received it. Yeah, why do I pay for lawyers? Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure there's a reason.

Starting point is 00:58:50 Yeah. Anyways, next topic? Oh, yeah, right. Oh, wait, did we even do two merge messages? Let's do one more. Hit me, Dan. Oh, my God. How you doing over there, Dan? Oh, yeah, cool. Oh my god. How you doing over there, Dan?

Starting point is 00:59:08 Oh yeah, cool. That makes sense. I mean, you know that's how people die on those, right? That's fair. Merge messages, merge messages. I got my headphones off. Hey Linus, have you enjoyed playing Horizon Zero Dawn? Are you going to play Forbidden West now that it's on PC?

Starting point is 00:59:32 Yeah, I really enjoyed Zero Dawn. I picked it up because I needed something demanding to play on the Steam Deck while I reviewed it that felt like something that should have absolutely no right to run well on the Steam Deck. And other than some crashes and some chugging, particularly late game, I enjoyed the heck out of it. Yeah, I loved it. I thought Aloy was just an awesome character without giving anything away

Starting point is 00:59:59 because Forbidden West just came out. So people, if they haven't already, might be picking up Zero Dawn in order to play them back-to-back. I respect that. I get it. So without giving anything away, I thought that the story was just so much fun to uncover as you make your way through the game. Did you play it? Zero Dawn? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:20 I tried, and it wouldn't run on my computer at all. This was quite a while ago. I still want to play it some other time. But I haven't played a single video game in the last week. Oh, yeah. It's fantastic. Man, I've been gaming more than you lately. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:30 Dude. Okay. I'll talk about this after. But yeah. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. I had not actually intended to play Forbidden West, though. No.

Starting point is 01:00:40 And it's not selling nearly as well as Zero Dawn did. There's a number of... There was tons of hype around Zero Dawn, and it was a fantastic game. I'm sad that the follow-up wasn't maybe as good. Well, no, Forbidden West is supposed to be really good. That's not the issue. Was it just not talked about a lot or something?

Starting point is 01:00:55 I've seen some speculation that part of why Zero Dawn got so much attention was it was one of the first big PlayStation exclusives to make its way to PC with a good port, like an actually good port um it was dude it's rated really well yeah yeah so i think that what i realized 93 positive on steve right now that's really i know i know i think that what i realized though when i tried to play tears of the kingdom was that i um i i don't think i i don't think i i think i don't need to play that game again right um i need a new world and i get it she goes to a new world but you can never have as much

Starting point is 01:01:41 depth to the world building as you did in the first one. The first one is from... You've already established the machines, all that kind of stuff. From her childhood to her adulthood. And again, without too many spoilers, really exploring how... What happened?

Starting point is 01:02:02 How did we get here? I don't need to just like go meet new people and see new environments and um i do think that like i said one of the things i love so much about zero dawn is that i think aloy is an outstanding central character she's just super she's super cool she's super relatable um that's always a pretty big thing for me like the reason why i liked assassin's creed 2 yeah and the follow-ups brotherhood and ascension is that etzio is such a fantastic main character to be able to pilot it's like actually a pretty big deal to like like the character that you're playing um that helps a lot dave ger on twitch says you're wrong forbidden That helps a lot. Dave Gurr on Twitch says,

Starting point is 01:02:45 you're wrong. Forbidden West goes full desert, jungle, island, paradise. It does expand on the original in every way, but that's exactly it. I'm not interested. He's not looking for an expansion

Starting point is 01:02:54 on an original. I just said, I don't just want to see new environments and meet new characters. Which is fine. That's a personal preference for him. That doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Starting point is 01:03:02 93% of people like it. Sure, it's a great game. Sounds like a fantastic game. But there's no such thing as wrong yeah um yeah like i it's just what i really wanted to love tears of the kingdom and what i realized is i don't need to play that game some more with uh with a building mechanic and some new environments to explore. Breath of the Wild was, if I'm being honest, probably my favorite game, but I just didn't need to play any more of it. I can feel that way sometimes, not all the time.

Starting point is 01:03:33 I think going from Morrowind to Oblivion, I just wanted more Oblivion. Oblivion was great. I had no problem with that. But there are definitely some games, like the Far Cry series. Oh my God. This is the same game for the 18th time like i don't i don't need this again like and it and it kind of

Starting point is 01:03:51 sucks because the it's not even the same game it's worse the gameplay is just the story is so there's so many stupid little things to do it oh man i could talk about this forever but um like the the world building is fantastic some of the scenes and some of the new far cries are like this is a beautiful landscape that i don't care to explore it's like all right and the thing is that there's there's so um there's so many other options out there that i don't and i i find precious little time to game typically yeah um however there has been an exception recently. I told you I came home.

Starting point is 01:04:26 I have, I've had no family for a week. And you know how I've taught, I probably talked to you about how usually I'm pretty good at time zone adjustments. Yes. I'm kind of the jet lag King in general. And we've both actually usually been pretty good at that. That's been necessary.

Starting point is 01:04:42 We sort of had to learn it early on. A lot of our lives guys, like some of those trips we did were just like such short turnarounds in the japan trip will always be legendary for that oh man we were in the country for like 30 hours or something like that the i think the i think my most ridiculous one was uh when um david and i When David and I did Germany. Germany, I remember this. In like less than 48, it was, I think it was under 48 hours doorstep to doorstep or something like that.

Starting point is 01:05:14 I'd have to look up the travel logs. Maybe it wasn't quite that extreme, but that included a full workday on the other side. It was absolutely nuts because we were working during their work day. So we were doing just wild stuff. Anyway, the point is that I'm usually pretty good at it and I can kind of plan things out and go, okay, yeah, here's how I'm going to get enough sleep that I can do a long go. And then I can pass the F out at the right time and then wake up refreshed.

Starting point is 01:05:43 Totally. then i can pass the f out at the right time and then wake up refreshed totally so also do some pre-preparation before the trip starts just start shifting your sleep schedule i don't have time for that i've done it typically yeah i don't usually do it but i've done it before okay so on my way back from japan um i was like okay so here's what i'm gonna do i'm gonna um hang out for a little bit i will i will i will stay up for like three or four hours of the flight and then i'm gonna sleep this the last half and then uh i'm gonna get home i'm gonna make it through the whole day because i was landing in the morning and then i'll go to bed early i should be good and so i fired up Dave the Diver.

Starting point is 01:06:28 And then all of a sudden we landed in Vancouver. Yeah, I was just going to say. Have you played it at all? No, but I saw you load it up on Steam. But somehow Steam like indicated to me that you were on a handheld. Yeah, I was playing on the LA. But I didn't, I didn't, I'm trying to remember how it even did that, and I didn't realize

Starting point is 01:06:46 that Steam would indicate what device the person was on. Yeah, that's weird. I'm surprised at that. But I knew you were on your Ally because of something Steam indicated to me. I don't know how. Anyways, I saw you load up Dave the Diver, and I asked you how it was, but you probably didn't see it because you were on the Ally. Because I was playing Dave the Diver.

Starting point is 01:07:01 So it's that good? Nothing else exists when you're playing Dave the Diver. Wow, okay yeah, so it's that good? Nothing else exists when you're playing Dave the Diver. Wow. Okay. It's actually kind of mind-blowing how much just like they kind of over... It's like Anno, where there's always four things you need to be doing right now. Yeah. Five, six. did you forget about two

Starting point is 01:07:27 get on it like it's ah um and the and the fishing is just like it's way too satisfying it's there are some i'm fine i'm probably about i've got about 12 hours in it. And I am finding some stuff is getting a little bit tedious. But I'm already starting to see hints that travel is going to get a little faster and stuff. And like the fishing for just like random fish for the restaurant is going to start to matter less and stuff like that. But they just keep unlocking new gameplay mechanics and new stuff to strive for, and you haven't even finished the last thing at all, and they're throwing a new thing at you, and you're just like, oh.

Starting point is 01:08:11 Anyway, yeah, it's really good, which you guys didn't need me to tell you because it's acclaimed. Yeah, that's a very highly rated game. Yeah. Isn't it, like, not really indie or something like that? I think so, yeah. Isn't the team behind it?

Starting point is 01:08:31 Overwhelmingly positive with almost 90 000 reviews yeah um yeah i thought this was like yeah nexon yeah yeah that's a pretty big deal yeah it has it has like that super kind of fun intimate indie vibe but there is so much content and so many, like there's entire games that have been built within the game. Like it clearly took a ton of work. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Really good. That's great. I did a, I filmed a float plane exclusive this week, which is like, I don't know what the heck to title it, but it's, it's my Starfield review where I talk about Starfield for, I but it's um it's my starfield review where i talk about starfield for i think it's like two sentences what how is that a video uh and i actually end up talking about like the gaming industry and like how everything was going down for a long time

Starting point is 01:09:16 but how i don't think it's like actually that bad because i think we're at this part of the curve inflection point let's yeah because indies have been actually pretty good for pretty much the whole time. There's been, you know, like fantastic indies that have trickled through pretty much the whole time. But I think my whole thing

Starting point is 01:09:34 is about how I think certain old companies are dying. And we're seeing offshoots come out of those companies. Like, I don't want to spoil all of it. But yeah, I think it's actually pretty good you should check it out anyways topic new topic yeah i think dan just wandered away so i guess uh yeah we're on our own yeah you want to pick one luke sure oh on that subject why don't we talk about

Starting point is 01:10:00 um the xbox thing yeah why don't we talk about phil spencer's comments this week according to chris during of games industry.biz sources he spoke to at this year's games developer conference showed a clear lack of confidence in the future of xbox insiders at two wait sorry i thought we were talking about phil spencer uh blaming capitalism for uh for everything that's going on in the games industry. Yeah, that's a fun one. Because that was... No matter... Look.

Starting point is 01:10:32 No matter what side of, you know, is capitalism good or is capitalism bad or whatever. Microsoft blaming capitalism is genuinely hilarious. Yes.

Starting point is 01:10:46 The irony is dripping off of this entire situation. While they try to gobble up everything in the AI industry so they can own it all. I'm 100% here for it. Yeah, pretty great. Okay, sorry, go ahead. Anyways, yeah. Insiders at two companies told him that xbox's performance in europe is flatlining and many european retailers are cutting back on xbox

Starting point is 01:11:11 stocks uh xbox stock not stocks in response to a significant slump in sales publishers likewise are apparently reconsidering supporting the platform during likewise suggests that if these trends sorry drink drink there's no yeah my eyes suck i thought there was another eye before chris drink drink sorry drink um likewise suggests that if these trends continue we may see a majority of xbox games also coming to ps5 phil spencer has acknowledged that the console market is gradually shrinking even as gaming is growing as an industry see that's a funny thing can i pause for a second here yeah pc sales shrinking console sales shrinking game

Starting point is 01:11:53 industry growing game industry growing mobile phones also shrinking really Like, Apple's like, are we going to sell iPhones? More iPhones right now. I think the market's kind of saturated. So basically, this pursuit of constant growth is not sustainable. Phil? Are you in there? I just like became phil i yeah it's it's i think we're at a market saturation

Starting point is 01:12:30 point for a lot of this stuff i think no one has to replace pcs no one has to replace phones and no one really wants to replace consoles yeah and honestly they look pretty darn good you probably don't really need to anyways yeah What are you really going to gain at this point from a new generation of consoles? For sure. Something 4k. Do you want to spend $800 on it? $900 on it.

Starting point is 01:12:54 6k. Sorry, go ahead. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. Phil Spencer has acknowledged that the console market is gradually shrinking even as gaming industry is growing, because gamers are more increasingly attracted to handheld and PC options.

Starting point is 01:13:12 Spencer even floated the idea of bringing third-party stores to the Xbox to make it more like a PC, or exploring different hardware form factors, which many have speculated might be an allusion to a future Xbox handheld. Further, Windows Central's Jez Corden has claimed that Microsoft has an existing prototype for just such a handheld, which would make sense. Can I just say that, like... It wouldn't be hard to do.

Starting point is 01:13:39 This is pretty much what I've been predicting for a really long time. Like you get to do the whole thing where you're right about stuff many, many years in advance all the time. You know what? It's my turn. It's my time to shine here because as soon as they went x86, I was like, okay, they're

Starting point is 01:14:01 computers now. Yeah. This is a matter of time. I think we're finally getting there and can i just say microsoft if anyone's watching can you just rip off the band-aid now yeah i think that's been the whole problem because you've been right like they could have done this pivot even faster but they wanted to move to the platform and then not embrace it they keep and now they're sort of embracing look. Look, they keep half-assing it.

Starting point is 01:14:26 You know, it keeps... Okay, games for Windows Live, and we're going to... No, no, we're like really going to focus on PC gaming. We're doing it this time, guys. And we're... And like with this new DirectX... The game folder's gone. And like they keep...

Starting point is 01:14:37 Oh, yeah, we're doing cross-play. We're doing cross-play. Just do it. Just rip it off. Be a PC company. Do do it and keep making hardware keep making super affordable pcs but hey maybe the xbox would be more competitive if your everything does everything appliance actually did everything like oh i don't know a computer what if xbox became a certification like remember when they were trying so fucking computer what if xbox became a certification like remember when they were trying so hard to build the xbox that you know what took over it was was like the center

Starting point is 01:15:12 of your living room and then remember when like just prior to that they had tried to do media center pc hello can the right hand just talk to the left hand and you could have done it yeah what remember when people were hacking the connect to hook it up to pcs and doing all kinds Right hand, just talk to the left hand. And you could have done it. Yeah. Remember when people were hacking the Kinect to hook it up to PCs and doing all kinds of really cool stuff with it? Way cooler than anything that existed on the Xbox. Would have been nice.

Starting point is 01:15:36 Just do it. Embrace. Embrace. Does anyone remember that meme? Embrace these windows thank you thanks shia embrace these handhelds because otherwise this is actually a threat right now this is your chance microsoft this is don't ignore the steam deck this is your chance and xbox going it alone is not the way to go windows already has the momentum just turn the xbox into a store into a certification into a realistically a game

Starting point is 01:16:19 development monopoly um because yeah that's i i just i don't think i don't think the hardware makes sense anymore and i'm not saying that consoles are going anywhere i don't think nintendo is going to be done making consoles in the next decade or two like they are they are they are just the kings of this is our this is my ball, and this is where I play with it here in my walled garden. And if you like it, then you can come inside and play with me. And if you don't like it, then you can fuck off. You think they're more the kings of that than Apple?

Starting point is 01:16:57 Oh, yeah, I think so. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, Apple contributes. They did put Mario Run out and stuff like that yeah but apple contributes in a big way to industry standards in a way that i don't think that i'm necessarily convinced that nintendo does that's a pretty good argument and i'm not saying nintendo doesn't do anything in that regard uh but apple you gotta remember like for, like for all the whining that we've done about how long it's taken Apple to support USB-C.

Starting point is 01:17:29 Apple shipped the first computer with a USB-C port on it. They freaking co-invented the standard. Yeah. Like, come on. Yeah. That's what drives me so crazy about Apple is how capable they are of innovation. Yeah. me so crazy about Apple is how capable they are of innovation. And how they just choose to do it in ways that are just

Starting point is 01:17:46 so... There's a really good question in here, which is why doesn't Xbox already have a handheld? Honestly, I think that's quite fair. Well, you can only do so

Starting point is 01:18:04 much, though. Something that's easy to forget i think is that microsoft is a relative newcomer to the console game right so the the the the handheld the first handheld boom right was the game boy The game gear failed. It has been 23 years, though. It's been, sure, sure. But like the handheld boom that happened, like the first one, they were not a participant.

Starting point is 01:18:38 Then I would say sort of your next... Are you talking about Game Boy era? Yeah. Yeah, first one. And then Nintendo kind of was... I mean, realistically like they were kind of half arson it for a long time they were the only one i forget hold on game boy uh release date i guarantee you this will surprise you a little bit okay april 1989 and the second generation of Game Boy was just the Game Boy Color. It just played Game Boy games.

Starting point is 01:19:12 1998, late 1998. It was nine and a half years for them to go from the Game Boy to the Game Boy Color. That actually does surprise me. That's actually pretty wild. Which got colorized games, but the Game Boy Color. That actually does surprise me. That's actually pretty wild. Which got colorized games, but the graphics still sucked.

Starting point is 01:19:28 Like it was, sure, it was better, but it was not, it was not the kind of generational improvement that you might expect in nine and a half years these days. And then Nintendo has kind of like done its own thing in its own completely closed off garden sega failed to compete sony had one moderate success with the psp

Starting point is 01:19:54 and then just tanked it with the vita it was backlit it was not backlit gameboy color was not backlit i know yeah gameboy color was backlit no i think so no hold on was not backlit i know yeah gameboy color was backlit no i think so no hold on gameboy color backlight screen replacement kit i think that you can buy to make it a backlit oh no yeah you're right not backlit it is not back yeah that's right yeah no it like it like wasn't that much better i yeah i forgot about that part even yeah um because you used to have like do you remember the monstrosities of people would front lights the front lights the magnetizers the speakers like people used to have crazy accessories for gameboy colors it was actually wild it had like a whole case i have one of the original like game gear cases with a whole bunch of that's kind of sick

Starting point is 01:20:40 actually uh yeah the gameboy advance was the Boy Advance was the first Nintendo handheld with an integrated backlight. So, GBA release date. Here we go. So, that wouldn't be until June of 2001. So, basically... Hold on. The first Game Boy Advance had a backlight? Are you sure?

Starting point is 01:21:03 That I actually don't know. I think it was the SP. advance had a backlight are you sure that i actually don't know i think that one is the sp the like weirder looking advanced okay yeah oh uh yes the s so i don't think that one it's like the it's like the the flippy one no it wasn't until 2005 that the sp got a backlight it was a revised sp so yeah it wasn't even the first so from 1989 to 2005 16 years just to get a backlit screen it wasn't moving that fast um anyway my point is that who was Microsoft supposed to look at and go yeah this is this is a great idea for us to pursue because remember having a mobile console is not like having a mobile version of your console. It is a completely separate platform

Starting point is 01:21:48 that requires completely separate game development. Like games used to come out for the Genesis and for the Game Gear. Like you can buy Aladdin for the Genesis and buy Aladdin for the Game Gear. Those are completely different games. 100% different games, different assets, different levels, different absolutely everything. And so for Microsoft to split their forces and be battling on two fronts might not have made sense when they're looking at basically everyone else and everything else that has existed in the space

Starting point is 01:22:24 and going, okay, is the total addressable market for this actually so big that it makes sense for us to get involved in this? And I think that now, now that it's just a PC and it runs all the same titles, well, all of a sudden, okay, now that does make sense

Starting point is 01:22:43 because we don't have to develop completely new games for this. And in fact, thank of a sudden, okay, now that does make sense because we don't have to develop completely new games for this. And in fact, thank you, Nintendo, a lot of really mobile-friendly, controller-friendly games since 1989 have been developed that people who wear eye patches can enjoy on our PC. And that doesn't have to be official, but if it's a PC, I don't know, whatever,

Starting point is 01:23:04 and people are running whatever software they want, I don't know. So no official but if it's a pc i don't know whatever and people are running whatever software they want i don't know so no i think it's a i think it's a really good time but i think that they need to just embrace the windowsness of it and just make windows really good at this because that's all the original xbox was damn it is it was a windows that was really good at running games invest some more developer power into windows store and like xbox store whatever different well because you want more windows store yeah actually interesting okay i want it to be better that's that's my frustration is like when they're forcing it into things like i i wanted to download uh gimp last night if you don't know what that is uh it's called something else now no it's not well it

Starting point is 01:23:46 isn't it's well okay they they're a little less oh wow i went to i i actually also downloaded this recently and um it was new image manipulation program and i only saw the gimp name later oh okay well anyway yeah no it's front and center on the site i didn't go to the site because i was um i was installing it on linux oh we've got a really fun video coming uh that's like my thing this show is teasing all the really good videos we have coming uh i tried uh the team got together 10 weird linux distros for me to try oh that's actually pretty fun yeah temple os uh no that's not linux oh yeah me to try. Oh, that's actually pretty fun. Yeah. TempleOS? No, that's not Linux.

Starting point is 01:24:28 TempleOS is TempleOS. It should just put it in as like a... I think what you're referring to as TempleOS is in fact Temple kernel with... Okay, I don't know. I can't even... Forget it. Anyways, I was downloading that

Starting point is 01:24:43 and I didn't know if i had it or not already fairly recently got that new computer so like i might not have certain programs that i would normally have so i just typed press start and typed it just to see if it would show up and what showed up was the windows store link for it oh and i would like to actually just be like yeah cool but i don't trust it because windows store has always been a piece of junk oh my god so i went and downloaded it manually anyways did you see the um did you see the subreddit wanted me to use bing for a month

Starting point is 01:25:20 i was considering it until i accidentally did a bing search for something earlier this week because it can't be that much worse than where google's at these days um get ready to be surprised okay because we needed we needed some pictures of elijah for some reason okay and he was like oh okay let me transfer them from my phone to and i'm like dude you're a celebrity at this point yeah how hard could it be to find a picture of elijah online no no no no don't worry i got no i want to show comparison no no i've got them both okay okay so i was like okay we'll type your name and then just to make it easy, I'll put my name. Sure. Because that works really well from my previous experience, finding someone who works at Linus Tech Tips with the name whatever it is that you type.

Starting point is 01:26:14 So, oh, bloody hell. Images. Huh. This is Bing. So some ROG Rig reboot thing. Whatever this is, whatever this is whatever this is um me because apparently the first thing i typed is not important uh yeah that um we make our way into peanuts uh we've got shirtless me nice we've got some other ltt staff nice nice seriously not a single bloody picture of someone named elijah who's associated with

Starting point is 01:26:59 someone named linus okay not. Now, for a live demonstration of why what I typed in is not entirely stupid. Elijah Horner. Linus Media. Elijah. Elijah. Elijah. Elijah. Elijah. His face doesn't even show in this one.

Starting point is 01:27:25 Yeah, really? Elijah, r slash line. Does Bing even index Reddit? Like, what are you guys even doing? Wild. Utterly unusable. Absolutely wild. Actually unusable.

Starting point is 01:27:40 That's unfortunate. You know what's funny? Yeah. If you go back to the text search just the search his wikipedia page comes up or whatever linkedin page linkedin page there it is that's not elijah but it's the our team page but it's the our team page which is okay it's gonna be on yeah so hold on so if you don't image search it it actually gives you images better yes so we managed to find the first two results are actually elijah uh okay who is linus media group yeah yeah so yeah yeah yeah got it

Starting point is 01:28:13 got it we know about linus elijah elijah okay picture maybe picture yeah so if if it just like use the normal search uh algos or something, I don't know. I grabbed some images off of the pages they served up to us. We've done a better job. It's embarrassingly bad. It is inconceivably bad. How is it even possible for that to be that bad? That's pretty frustrating.

Starting point is 01:28:40 It's worse than it is. It knows. I've just ended up on bing a couple times and the search has actually been fairly okay and the search right there was actually fairly okay but i've never used the images portion and that was that was garbage yeah it's terrible actual actual garbage meanwhile i'm supposed to you know expect you know ais to freaking make appointments for me like garbage. Meanwhile, I'm supposed to expect AIs to make appointments for me. Sure. Qualcomm?

Starting point is 01:29:17 Yeah. We should probably do sponsors. Hey, Dan. Oh, Dan was going to tell us to do sponsors. He's on it, dude. He's on it. Yeah, that was going to tell us to do sponsors. He's on it, dude. He's on it. Yeah, that was a pretty intense merch message surge. I think he's got it more under control now.

Starting point is 01:29:32 As soon as I was like pins, they were like, no, I'm not. I will eat all the pins. Give me the pins. You shouldn't do that. If you must eat the pins, please put the covers on the sharp part first. Won't really do much

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Starting point is 01:33:43 Yeah, Emma bought Vessi's just because she was like these seem cool I need some like water resistant shoes whatever didn't realize they were a sponsor because I guess she doesn't have to watch anything that I do didn't use our code didn't use our code didn't even use our code dude you could have saved money

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Starting point is 01:34:08 Yeah. Sheesh. Sorry, Emma. I'm not yelling at you. I'm yelling with you. I'm frustrated with the situation. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:17 Yeah. Yeah. Really, it's Luke's fault. Honestly, yeah. I should inform her better of all of our sponsorships. That is, i fully agree uh yeah yeah that's on you i'll do better thanks um what are we supposed to be doing right now oh three merch messages all right dan hit us with some merch messages i'm trying to find them

Starting point is 01:34:37 there's uh so many hey linus how uh we were to do that one get the hell out of here hey lmg team been rocking some new ltt gear recently and figured I'd grab some more. Are there any consumer level products that Linus and Luke are especially excited for in tech? Excited for? Excited for consumer products. I mean, man, I've been pretty into like big TVs lately. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:00 Hisense has that one coming. It's five inches smaller than the TCL, but it's double the number of dimming zones and double the peak brightness. I think that it's funny. We did that video earlier this week on NVIDIA's HDR conversion. So they take SDR content

Starting point is 01:35:19 and then they just use their neural processor on their GPU and they remap it to an HDR, to a wider gamut, and they add... I don't know if they actually add the metadata. Yeah, they're just converting it to the wider color space and then remapping the brightnesses.

Starting point is 01:35:45 So basically, they're just doing like on-the-fly tone mapping from SDR to HDR according to the capabilities of your display. So it's like, it's super cool. And there's problems with it. Like it kind of Best Buy effects things sometimes, oversaturates things, and you lose a little bit of artist intent sometimes. But overall, I think I would watch most things with it

Starting point is 01:36:04 rather than without it it's pretty cool and by the way some people commented on the side by side that we did saying we were using different monitors we know that the reason that we didn't address it in the video is because it didn't matter they both use the same panel and they were both checked by Brandon Dickerson ahead of time to make sure that their performance was close enough that that wasn't what we were seeing I just thought I'd clarify that anyway um i was surprised by how many of the comments on that video were still from people who think that hdr is like not real like it's snake oil it doesn't matter um what we could just everything could just be sdr and you could just like turn up the

Starting point is 01:36:41 brightness and it would be it's not guys it the display has to be capable of it the content has to be graded for it uh it is not snake oil it oh apparently we did acknowledge that they were different monitors okay well apparently we didn't give enough background because people still seemed very confused about it um but yes, it is totally a thing. Thank you, DJ underscore spark over on float plane. And the better it gets, I think the more people will realize that it's totally a thing. And that's why I was so excited about RTX video HDR or whatever their stupid branding for it is.

Starting point is 01:37:23 They got to throw RTX on everything now, I guess. Whatever the branding is, that's why I was so excited about that technology because it unlocks this enormous back catalog of content that people can enjoy on HDR devices. And you know what it actually made me think about that I kind of wish we had included in the video, but I didn't really think about until now, is I wish NVIDIA had pulled it off in phones remember their super phone concept yeah um i would actually

Starting point is 01:37:55 love it if the kind of machine learning accelerated upscaling for example or frame interpolation or um sdr to hdr tone mapping or whatever else like all this tech that they're building and in fact have built even on arm platforms man like they got the nvidia shield if i could buy a phone that was a modern nvidia shield in a phone form factor i would strongly consider it me too and phones have like very few compelling things these days yeah but it's that would be nice they happen to be in for most people i would think the best screen in your house like unless you are unless your family has a media enthusiastast who gets significant access to the budget, you probably don't have a TV or a monitor that is a better display than the one that's built onto any phone that's come out in the last two or three years.

Starting point is 01:38:59 They're so bright. They're so accurate. Basically, any iPhone from the last few years is going to be an outstanding HDR display. And if just everything you watched on your phone was automatically converted to HDR, I think it would really help people understand how good it can be, even if, you know, the upscaled stuff

Starting point is 01:39:18 or upconverted stuff is not as good as if it was graded properly for HDR in the first place. So overall, I'm a believer. Display tech. Yeah, there. That's what I'm going to say. Some of the super high refresh rate OLEDs lately. We're going to be checking out LG's dual mode one soon.

Starting point is 01:39:37 So it's the 120 hertz. Sorry. Yeah. 240 hertz 4K. 480 hertz 1080p and the big question that i have is sorry what exactly is different about this right because you could have uh you know a um you you could have a a monitor and run it at a non-native resolution you could have a monitor and you could run it at half of its native refresh rate. And to be clear, there are differences. There's a reason that this is being differentiated from things we could do that with before.

Starting point is 01:40:17 But that's something that I want to kind of dive into. And it seems to have to do with the way that the reporting to your GPU works, the way they're handling scaling. Brandon Dickerson and Plouffe are working on it. So I'm pretty excited about that one. Yeah, when you were originally saying TVs, I was going to say monitors. Yeah. So that kind of rips it.

Starting point is 01:40:37 I don't think there's any individual component in a computer that the future of it is hyper exciting to me. Phones are not exciting to me yeah storage was super cool for a bit and now it just seems to be uh cpus were really exciting there for a while as well that joke bites that's pretty good ah ah um and he has no bell there's nothing he can do yeah troll dan um he tried to whack a piece of metal yeah um but yeah i i don't think i think it's displays for sure next up dear orathan luke and dan what's the worst thing a company has tried to pull on lmg

Starting point is 01:41:27 i've had a lot of uh corporate software sales people try to mess with us just like increase our rates or cut our service or what or just just the the bamboozler sales tactics are always the ones that that mess with me we had one recently. I'll keep everything anonymous. But we had one recently where they gave us a price. They sent us a here is all of your costs thing. And we talked to them the next time. And they were like, so there was a pricing. They were like, all right, what are the sticking points?

Starting point is 01:42:01 And I'm like, is price one of your sticking points? And I points and i'm like well yeah because it will be even if it's like it's just it's just going to be what do you mean of course always matters yeah like there's no such thing as a bad product just a bad price so you can kind of solve anything by making it cheap enough yeah so i was like well yeah of course um and they're like okay well i'll tell you now our price increased so i'll go to bat for you i'll talk to my boss i'll try to get you that price that we originally quoted you i'm like on your side i'm gonna put my i'm gonna put my job on the side for you guys to get you that price that we already told you and i was like yeah i can't stand that kind of thing that doesn't count yeah that's the bare that's the bare minimum expectation is that you honor your word yeah I can't stand that kind of thing. That doesn't count. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:47 That's the bare minimum expectation is that you honor your word. Yeah. So I don't know. That was pretty annoying. The other one was that same company said that they wouldn't be able to onboard. If we didn't sign by the end of this month, they wouldn't be able to onboard us until December.

Starting point is 01:43:00 And it's a software company. And I was like, sure. I told them on the call i was like that's like that's amazing because if that's true i'm sure you guys are like your stock is going through the absolute roof and you're hiring as hard as you possibly can and all these other kind of things and you just see them like squirming because it's like no they're just doing like fine which means they don't have a year-long backlog. I don't know. It's just... So basically, skeezy sales tactics. Yes.

Starting point is 01:43:29 Drives me nuts. I think I get most offended when people don't act in good faith and show integrity. The weird part for me, just to interject interject is i've had the skeezy sales tactics but once signed most of the companies have actually been fine to to me at least so basically you just hate sales people and like account managers customer success managers all these things just get me to like the technical people when I need help. Let me know when you release new features. I need nothing else.

Starting point is 01:44:08 Please never talk to me. I don't care. I don't care that your company revolving doors salespeople like crazy. So you tell me that you will now be my agent until the end of time. And then three months later, I need to introduce to a new person. And I get an email saying, hi hi i'm onboarded to this account could we have a could we have a call so i can come up to speed and i say no i feel so bad i have never once replied to our twitch representative yeah but you've probably had 15 over the years i don't know i don't even know

Starting point is 01:44:41 i don't even read their names at this point i just i don't need anything from twitch tv i uh i i remember this one time that our rep blessed their heart i um let me know they were going to be on vacation i was like okay cool we've never spoken so yeah i don't think anything's going to come up in the next however long you're going to wherever you're going aj whoever you are aj seen it enough for me at this point that um i didn't even have to catch one fairly recently we got an email from like the literally i'm not exaggerating at least like 12th or 13th rep that we've had from this one company yeah um and i didn't even get to the email first he got to it it and was like, yeah, we're not going to do a call.

Starting point is 01:45:27 Here's like the current state of everything. Here's the things that like we've been asking you to fix for a year and a half. Let us know if there's any traction on that. Yeah. Have a good one. Sorry, dude. They're like, yeah, just let us know like how things are going. If there's new ways we can work with you.

Starting point is 01:45:43 And it's like, there isn't. We know all your software offerings. They're great, to be honest. things are going and if if there's new ways we can work with you and it's like there isn't we know all your software offerings they're great to be honest they're totally fine i have no problem we're not going anywhere like we're not leaving we're not increasing our spend do our checks do our checks clear yeah okay they do sounds good good yeah like i don't know all right just please don't waste my time um space gamer 04 and float plane chat says as a salesman you should hate us and i don't like you gotta do your job right i don't know that's fine yeah but just do it to someone else yeah i just i don't want to deal with it and my thing is i i understand you got

Starting point is 01:46:21 to play the game to a certain degree. Just the like... Recognize that I'm not buying it. Yeah. Let's just real talk. Yeah. And if you're like, I don't have any play. And I try to fight you on a little bit. And you're like, yeah, no, sorry.

Starting point is 01:46:36 Like, X, Y, Z. Then we'll be like, okay, then we'll use something else. Then we'll either use something else or not. And we can go from there. I don't want to deal with this. And I make very clear i'm like not going to engage in that thing like the whole some people will respond to it some people the whole car dealership i'm gonna go talk to my manager about this thing just like i'm not doing that dude all you're doing is slowing down this transaction that is quite literally the only thing you're accomplishing right now. Yeah. It just doesn't work. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:11 And I understand it sucks and you have to deal with people like me all the time, which probably isn't the greatest. But my whole thing is I just want to end this call as soon as possible. Yeah. I have other things to do. We've had sponsors not pay us. Yeah, that's pretty yucky. That's not fun. We don't generally air that kind of dirty laundry in public.

Starting point is 01:47:28 So it's not the kind of thing we've really talked about, but yeah, we've, we've had companies just like totally skis out on us. Um, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think like, I I'm pretty unhappy with one of our merch suppliers right now. I'm not going to name them yet because there's still time for them to act in good faith and i think that's the biggest one is acting in good faith yeah you're gonna screw up here there yeah making legitimate efforts to recognize to identify problems and take responsibility and rectify them.

Starting point is 01:48:06 That's all I really ask for anyone. Effort means a lot to me. I had one very recently with a company where they just like completely shut off our service out of nowhere. And it was like really important that that service keeps running. And I was like, what the heck? and it was like really important that that service keeps running and i was like what the heck uh and we ended up figuring out that it was for a uh like the credit card didn't renew and i was like shouldn't you have notified me in some way and then i found that they did the subject line of the email was exactly the same as another like just normal transactional email that goes all

Starting point is 01:48:42 the way it goes through all the time and it was like buried many lines in as a single line thing like there's what are you even talking about and i got on a call with them and they just apologized and were like how do you think we could improve this communication i told them and then they didn't do exactly that but they did very close to that enough that it's fine and i'm like okay so not even that anymore yeah whatever yeah they fixed it really quick. Yep. They got on a call with me. They found a new solution so that it won't happen again.

Starting point is 01:49:09 They did it. We just moved forward. People are going to screw up. We're going to screw up. They're going to screw up. It's fine. Funny Hats asks if it was the Oura Ring or Oura Ring. I still can't remember how to pronounce the thing.

Starting point is 01:49:20 No, no, no, no, no. That was just... It didn't work out. But they didn't stiff us or anything. I mean, I don't think they paid, but I did pronounce the thing wrong and our proposed solution wasn't acceptable. Whatever.

Starting point is 01:49:39 I think that they're a little uptight, but, you know, okay. Sure. That's fine. And they probably think that I'm a bit of a prick you know what okay sure that's fine and they probably think that you know i'm a bit of a so i don't sure fine um that just didn't work out but there's been brands that we 100 have executed and then they just have ghosted um yeah no that one that one was definitely just not every not every partnership is meant to work out perfectly and you know what hey we i'd be open to working with them again whether they'd want to work with us again or not i don't know but like it just didn't it just didn't work out

Starting point is 01:50:30 all right you want another one yeah uh are there certain types of games that although don't contain mature content you still prefer your kids don't get into until they're older also is it financial advice to get a chevy volt um i don't think the chevy volt is as necessary as it used to be i mean toyota finally has prius primes that are close for for range um i read a really funny comment on on a like this article was just filleting the new prius prime and the top comment on this article was like, good job, Toyota. You invented the 2017 Chevy Volt. Congratulations. Meanwhile, Chevy uninvented it.

Starting point is 01:51:16 Good job, everyone. Honestly, at least Toyota brought it back. Give them props for that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, now that plug-in hybrids are taking off i would say that the chevy volt is not a necessary move unless you're looking to get a deal on a used car that is a good plug-in hybrid i was so happy with mine you know i read an article recently talking about how uh certain governments and stuff sorry one sec people are correcting me

Starting point is 01:51:42 because they um i don't know what it is people people are correcting me because they... I don't know what it is. People like correcting me. I'm aware that the Chevy Volt has been out since 2010. I'm talking about the generation that actually had decent range. Yeah. Come on now. I read an article. I don't remember what it was. I think it was governments. I don't remember what. But apparently, the fuel efficiency of plug-in hybrids is performing lower than expected because people are driving them on gas more than they had hoped i have a theory on that oh really um when driving around residential areas you see how many people are parked on the road there's no chargers on the road i think in a lot of situations it's like multi-car families where they only have one spot where they can plug

Starting point is 01:52:25 it and if they have two plug-in hybrids though like a pure electric if they have a pure electric they might be able to charge the plug-in hybrid at work or certain other places so they can get some charge out of it both of your cars would have to be like within the last five years for you to have like a full electric and a plug-in hybrid like what kind of families have two relatively new cars that seems kind of crazy there's a model three release date this is gonna be annoying because it doesn't show all of them no yeah it's gonna show um travis social says it's really really common in the states for people in apartments to not have a charging option at all that's a really good point yeah um so in cities we have one slow charge that's it so in cities where plug-in hybrids are

Starting point is 01:53:10 the most useful because you're doing just your like little trips on on electric power those are the places where you are least likely to have garage parking um yeah yeah definitely definitely see that the good news is that they still are a pretty solid uh they still are a pretty solidly efficient you know just hybrid car they just are carrying around a bit of extra battery weight and electric motors and stuff which sort of blows but yeah it's not like they're carrying nearly nearly as much battery as a as a full battery electric vehicle uh farrowin asks don't you have a newer porsche and a newer minivan my minivan's a 2016 i don't know that's i don't really seem that new so so the so yeah let's go let's go car car history it's car history time. So I had a 2003 Civic, and then I had a 2017 Volt.

Starting point is 01:54:13 We got the minivan around that time. No, no, no, because I got the 2017 Volt later. It was used. So we bought a new 2016 Honda Odyssey. Then I got a 2017 Volt in like 2019 like 2019 or yeah it must have been 2019 uh something like that and then I got a 2003 Taycan um so yeah at one point we would have owned two relatively new cars when in 2019, we had the Odyssey and the Volt,

Starting point is 01:54:48 but not both electric and plug-in hybrid and stuff like that. And those were very different vehicles. So it's not like we had a couple of commuter cars or something like that, and they were both new. We have a neighbor where they both appear to drive the exact same car in exactly the same color whoa yeah i know right they're always both parked in their drive throw me off at least like get different colors yeah i know right wow it's pretty funny like i mean i guess it's nice to be aligned like that in your relationship it's like yeah we're basically the same person do you differentiate between them by license plate yeah i guess so oh that's annoying um model threes have been getting delivered in mass since 2018 yes but um

Starting point is 01:55:33 i think it might be more common than like five years ago no it's not that it 2018 that's six years ago we're barely into 2004 we're a quarter It's like five and a half years ago, Luke. 2004? Are you really? I am close without going over. Yeah? Yeah. I think you're over.

Starting point is 01:55:56 What? No. I said five years. Yeah, you said five and a half right there. Yeah, exactly. So I didn't go over. Oh. But you're aiming the other direction.

Starting point is 01:56:06 Come on. Come on. What are people talking about? Come on. Didn't I say 2023, Taikan? Did I say 2003? You said 2004 instead of 2024 when you were talking about current year.

Starting point is 01:56:19 Don't worry about it. It was a different thing. You weren't talking about the Taikan. Did I say 2004? Yeah. I memed on you for it. It's fine. We're already past that.

Starting point is 01:56:25 It's okay. It's okay. We're already past that. It's okay. It's okay. Dan, hit us. Another one. I'm still jet lagged, okay? Something wrong with Linus. I'm all right. I'm back.

Starting point is 01:56:35 Hey, LLD. Linus with Junior. Getting close. What? Sorry. Apparently, you also did say 2003 Taikan. Yeah. I didn't notice that.

Starting point is 01:56:44 It's pretty old. Let's go. It's like four years ago. It's a good year for Taikan. I didn't notice that one. It's pretty old. Let's go. It's like four years ago. It's a good year for Taikan. Don't correct me. It aged really well. Fine wine. All right, sorry.

Starting point is 01:56:52 Linus, with Junior getting close to the legal age for it, do you think you'll let him have social media? I have strong opinions on this. Which ones, and how will you keep him safe on them? He's a really sharp kid. on this which ones and how will you keep him safe on them he's a really sharp kid um i think that moderation is extremely important uh i think learning it is extremely important i think just shielding kids from everything is uh is not the way to help them learn to manage their own behaviors with all of that said, I...

Starting point is 01:57:26 Like knowing what you know about how the user experience of something like X goes. Yeah, there's no way that I would sign off on X. I mean, there's nothing I could do to stop him at a certain point, but there's no way I'd be like, yeah, you should definitely have Twitter. Is it really that much better than an Instagram? I also just don just don't tick tock i don't know if he'll care um he's on discord so he's on social media right like discord effectively is at this point you can find

Starting point is 01:57:56 enormous servers that are like social focused yeah essentially um and i think that Discord is probably the closest thing to where I started on social media. Like I started on chat rooms and MSN. It's basically Discord, right? If you think about it, you go into different rooms and you talk about stuff and you can share pictures and and i do i would say yeah that compared to a lot of the more traditional social media platforms because we are using it is social media but we're using discord being social media a little bit more loosely than most people normally would um i think it's probably the lesser of the evil ones and when you're just thinking about like your kid engaging with the internet yeah because it's it's let it's not algorithmically driven, right? It's driven by people and communities

Starting point is 01:58:47 that you have explicitly chosen to engage with. Yes. And so anything with a discovery element, and maybe that's where people are getting a little upset at me calling Discord social media even. But I think that's... So if we were to say okay yeah it has to have a discovery algorithm

Starting point is 01:59:06 in order for you to classify it as social media then I guess my answer is no I can't think of any good reason for a young kid to be on Instagram I can't think of a good reason

Starting point is 01:59:18 for them to be on Twitter it's totally social media guys Discord? yeah I mean do you want to read us the Wikipedia definition? Not that Wikipedia is the be all and end all. Yeah, but still, just because it doesn't, it's not like fully put, I don't know. Social media are interactive technologies that facilitate the creation, sharing, and aggregation of content, ideas, interests, and other forms of expression

Starting point is 01:59:41 through virtual communities and networks. Social media refers to new forms of media that involve interactive participation. While challenges to the definition of social media arise due to the variety of standalone and built-in social media services currently available, there are some common features. Okay, here we go. I didn't read this bit. Social media apps are online platforms that enable users to create and share content and participate in social networking. Absolutely.

Starting point is 02:00:05 User-generated content, such as text posts or comments, digital photos or videos, and data generated through all online activities. Or sorry, interactions is the lifeblood of social media. Absolutely. Users create service-specific profiles for the website or app that are designed and maintained by the social media organization. Absolutely. that are designed and maintained by the social media organization. Absolutely. Social media helps the development of online social networks by connecting users' profile with those of other individuals or groups.

Starting point is 02:00:32 Yeah. Okay, so Discord is social media. Yeah. I know people say, I think in conversation, most people refer to it. Yeah, I just said that. Most people, when they're referring to social media, they're going to mean not this, but I still think Discord is a form of it yeah so um so he's on social media um but i think that um no poll you're wrong

Starting point is 02:00:55 yeah i think that i think that i would treat something like tiktok the same way that i would treat something like tv if i was still making rules about it, where I basically say, okay, is that how you want to use your X number of minutes of screen time today? And I would like to think that that answer would be no a lot of the time, and that some moderation could be learned around those behaviors. But we'll see guys i mean like everyone is human it turns out and humans are humans are messy right like i don't expect like oh yeah i'm gonna you know raise my kids to you know have the perfect you know the ability to uh and then they're gonna moderate their usage whatever yeah exactly right like so their fail or the robel my kids are gonna make mistakes they're gonna have vices if if the worst they managed is like doom scrolling on tiktok sometimes

Starting point is 02:01:52 i think i would pull it off as a parent so we'll see how it goes that is fair i think that has actually kind of like ruined people though to be honest i mean sure yeah fair enough but like really bad ways so have you heard of have are they going to do, not eat? Have you heard of the going goblin mode thing? I've heard of goblin mode. I forget what it means. It's just people just degenerate into... All they do is just scroll things

Starting point is 02:02:16 because they're hooked on the new content dopamine loop. They're so depleted of dopamine from the new content dopamine loop that they have no drive to do anything um yeah it gets bad bad i don't think that means you have to like completely ban yourself forever but i think it's a good opportunity to teach them about like self-limiting and using uh limiting apps and stuff like that even the bullcrap google It's like, oh, you just hit your five minute limit. Do you want to press literally two buttons

Starting point is 02:02:49 to completely delete it forever? I don't mean pause it. Luke. What? Do you want to be accountability buddies? How does that work? We're going to create minor Google accounts. And we're going to set each other up as each other's parent.

Starting point is 02:03:11 We can actually limit app usage. We could try it for a month. I think I'd be down. I think I'd be down. I think I'd be down. I think I'd be down. I'm trying'd be down. I think I'd be down. I'm trying to think. Because you're telling me you want actual limits

Starting point is 02:03:29 that you can't bypass on your own. I'm a good boy about it, and I don't do it, though. I actually don't have any. But I know people that I've talked to that can't do that. I don't have any limited apps right now. I had Twitter limited, and now i i had twitter limited and now it is dilated i had to yeah so i'm just like that's a good way i just kind of i've kind of had enough of it i'll sit down and i'll i'll i post once in a while i'm like i'll i'll check

Starting point is 02:03:56 if anyone's dead like that's the only reason i know about the whole p diddy thing right now it's the only reason i know that beyonce released a new song or album it was something i didn't have time to find out what it was but she's a big deal right now yeah um but so so like it's kind of how i keep up with my celeb gossip uh particularly the online creator celeb gossips like yeah who's been like canceled recently or whatever else uh but i'll just check in on it when i'm on my desktop and that's it if it not on my phone, it's way easier for me to moderate. I probably spend more time in our Shopify dashboard than I do on Twitter now. So that's sort of work. Sort of.

Starting point is 02:04:35 I don't need to look at that report. It's mostly just because I'm curious. I think you have some... I don't think these are things that he would run into, but I think that you are kind of... I think it's beyond necessity. I think you are kind of addicted to reading all forms of feedback that...

Starting point is 02:04:55 Sure. ...the company has. Yeah. However... Everyone has something. However... And that has a major benefit. There's been...

Starting point is 02:05:03 Yeah. As far as vices go yeah um i'm not i'm not even trying to dog you i just think but even like like really yeah you know okay perfect example of that is i was sending i showed luke this um at the beginning of the show today because i just like i can't help i can't help but read things um Hold on. I'm going to try to... I would screenshot. I've got an easy way to do it. I will just create a notepad window.

Starting point is 02:05:31 Why not just snippetool it? Well, because that's more worth it. See, look, I'm already done. No, it's not. You would have been... Boom. So I just read stuff like this. This person lost their posting privileges on the channel, by the way. This was on the High availability WANIC video. The most ironic thing about this video is it's like a new groundbreaking technology

Starting point is 02:05:50 as far as Linus is concerned. But as someone whose background is in IT, I know that things like high availability, clustered storage, clusters, hardware resiliency, etc. have been the standard for well over a decade and is nothing new or groundbreaking. So this isn't a troll. This is just someone whose opinion

Starting point is 02:06:07 clearly could never possibly matter about anything because they just don't get it. They just don't get that life is not about how much smarter you are than everyone in the room and it's actually possible. If this technology has existed before, you have to think it's boring and old when you're presenting it.

Starting point is 02:06:22 You have to be the most cynical, dry, insufferable bore yeah so i mean we're doing a high availability upgrade but like this has been around forever just like everybody does and go watch some other video or something it's boring so along with us we're just gonna plug stuff in like whatever none of this is new yeah yeah yeah they lost their posting privileges um it's yeah it's just it's it's wild dude like i just i can't i am i i do think i'm also happy with this new arc of linus just ban hammering everybody though i think it's better because before the really negative stuff it just gets absorbed to a certain degree.

Starting point is 02:07:05 Even if you're good at kind of ignoring it, a certain amount of it gets absorbed. And then now there's like... There is actually less of it. Yeah. It's amazing how noticeable it's been in a sea of millions of people. How few actual completely brain-dead people who type this kind of stuff exist. And they make so much noise.

Starting point is 02:07:30 It's actually incredible how loud this minority of people who can't possibly conceive of anything that could possibly be happening

Starting point is 02:07:47 other than how much smarter they are than whoever else they are looking at or talking to it's actually amazing that they couldn't think of any other reason for what was going on for this video that was being made other than that I had never heard of

Starting point is 02:08:03 high availability and how amusing the irony is what are you even talking about oh boy if i call to do speaking of taking the l i'm gonna find a topic that works for that um i don't know if we have one well i'm gonna talk about this anyways sora goes to hollywood opening eye uh ties to break in tries reading uh opening eye tries to break into the entertainment industry. OpenAI has scheduled meetings in Los Angeles to form partnerships in the entertainment industry. According to sources speaking to Bloomberg, not only does the AI firm have meetings next week,

Starting point is 02:08:58 but those meetings are just the latest round of outreach from OpenAI in recent weeks. The weekend of the Oscars, CEO Sam Altman was apparently attending LA parties. Late last month, OpenAI COO Brad Lightcap demonstrated the capabilities of Sora, the company's unreleased AI video generator, during introductory conversations in Hollywood. One person who may have seen one of Lightcap's demonstrators is actor, filmmaker, and studio owner Tyler Perry. After spending four years planning an... Speaking of

Starting point is 02:09:31 people whose movies could be made by AI, sorry. Oof. Get rekt. After spending four years planning an $800 million expansion of his Atlanta studio, those plans are now indefinitely on hold because of sora harry believes ai may take the place of set building and on location shooting saying sora's

Starting point is 02:09:53 capabilities uh saying of sora's capabilities if i wanted to have two people in the living room in the mountains i don't have to build a set in the mountains you already didn't i don't have to build a set in the mountains. You already didn't. I don't have to put a set on my lot. I can sit in an office and do this with a computer. Perry warns of the effect of AI like Sora can have on jobs in the entertainment industry and beyond, acknowledging that all the construction workers and contractors expecting to work on his studio expansion, are now out of a job. Even though Sora isn't publicly available, Bloomberg claims OpenAI has granted access to a few big-name actors and directors. Um, yep.

Starting point is 02:10:36 Cool. I kind of feel like it was a scapegoat to not have to spend $800 million on an expansion of the studio. Does Tyler Perry have $800 million? I don't know. It's one of those things where like, okay, I've talked about this before, where because I'm someone who's had these articles written about them,

Starting point is 02:10:54 I know how inaccurate those net worth of celebs articles are. Have you seen his mansion though? I haven't. Does Tyler Perry have a sick mansion? Dude. Let's see it. Bring it up. Here we go. Dude. Perry have a sick mansion? Dude. Let's see it. Bring it up. Here we go.

Starting point is 02:11:06 Dude. That is a sick mansion. Does it have a helipad? I mean, I'm sure you could land on this lawn somewhere. There's this right here. I wonder if I can get close to it. Tyler Perry is this rich? So, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:11:22 All right, there you go. Tyler Perry has $ 800 million dollars probably then look at this garden i'm having a hard time getting where does it go to but do you see this right here yeah do you see how there's like a circle is that the helipad here as far as my understanding goes under this house i could be completely wrong i could be completely wrong i want to preface this a lot as As far as my understanding goes, under this portion of the house is an enormous garage. Like 100, 200 cars,

Starting point is 02:11:50 something like that. Wow. Yeah. Okay, so where I was going with that... I could be totally wrong. ...was as someone who's had those articles written about me, I know how inaccurate they are.

Starting point is 02:12:01 Like when people started talking about Taylor Swift being worth a billion dollars, I was like, please. inaccurate they are like when they when when people started talking about taylor swift being worth a billion dollars i was like please taylor swift was worth a billion dollars a long ass f***ing time ago like you guys got no idea I am nothing. I am a tiny ant under Taylor Swift's heel. Okay? And I know what my company's worth. Brother.

Starting point is 02:12:35 Yeah. Like, come on. Yeah. You want to know the thing that blew my mind the most? Yeah. I heard that, you know, Tyler Perry had canceled the $800 million expansion of his studios. And I was like, how does he, what has he done since Friends?

Starting point is 02:12:53 What? I thought it was Matthew Perry. I was so confused. Oh, too soon. The reason why I know about that house. Oh, yeah, I actually forgot about that part. Yeah, I did not about that part. Yeah. I did not remember that until now.

Starting point is 02:13:11 The reason why I knew about that house was because... You are a disaster. I googled Tyler Perry because I was like, what do you mean? And then the actual Tyler Perry came up and I was like, oh, oh, my bad. And then I was like, wait, this is a ridiculous property. Why would you even like want this and then poked into it for a second and then yeah okay there we go anyway well hey at least i didn't have to say the worst thing on the show i'm just being honest but something that happened. Okay. All right. All right. Sometimes it's better not to.

Starting point is 02:13:47 Yeah. Is Bitcoin a beanie baby? The SEC says no. A judge has ruled that the SEC can proceed to trial in its lawsuit against Coinbase for engaging in unregistered sales of financial securities.

Starting point is 02:14:04 The suit is potentially extremely damaging, not only for Coinbase, but for crypto as a whole, because if a ruling decides that crypto coins are, in fact, a form of financial security, this would mean that they would be subject to the same regulations as all other securities. Oh boy. Coinbase has argued that cryptocurrencies are not securities

Starting point is 02:14:24 on the grounds that the buyer doesn't gain any rights like they do when they buy stocks and they are collectibles analogous to beanie babies crypto coins have coin right in the name yeah they are um they probably should be a security they they are they are definitely i don't know enough about this at all they are Yeah. They are... They probably should be a security. They are definitely... I don't know enough about this at all. They are definitely purchased with the understanding that their value could go up,

Starting point is 02:14:53 which is, from my understanding, the main thing that makes something subject to these laws. Yeah, that is... Boy, that is tough so i'm gonna chat coin base by the way yeah that's pretty good it's pretty good i don't think there's a ton else to say about that yeah not much other than uh it's gonna be an interesting time in crypto right because it's there's a big rally going on right now that's true uh bitcoin i think over 70 000 us dollars right now so it's it's near it's near peak value right now and it's

Starting point is 02:15:31 been kind of riding up for quite some time uh i think some there's some there's some coins that are profitable to mine on gpus right now like it's a crypto boom is either happening or it's or it's threatening to happen again. And I'm just kind of... I'm watching from the outside this time, man. I haven't touched since 2018. I had enough of my money stolen by Quadriga. I think. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:15:55 Very fun. Yeah, he's still salty. I am. Speaking of salty, Metaspied on users' Snapchat traffic. Facebook apparently used to have a secret program called Project Ghostbusters. Okay. Where it got

Starting point is 02:16:09 its subsidiary Onavo Onavo, sure. To create software for iOS and Android to intercept and decrypt users' web traffic from particular subdomains. First from Snapchat, then later from Amazon and YouTube.

Starting point is 02:16:27 The documents were unveiled as part of discovery in a class action lawsuit accusing Meta of using deceptive practices to collect user information. Well, that's definitely one of them. The project began in 2016 when Facebook was looking to gain more insight

Starting point is 02:16:41 into how users were interacting with rival companies. It ended in 2019, around the time that Onavo was shut down, following the revelation that they'd been secretly paying teenagers to use their VPN-like Facebook research service so they could gain invasive access to their user data and web activity for $20 a month. user data and web activity for 20 bucks a month.

Starting point is 02:17:04 Nice. Well, it seems that Facebook asked users for permission to install the interception software. Some within the company questioned whether or not users truly understood the ramifications of what they were installing. Pedro. Ooh. Can a who ati?

Starting point is 02:17:21 Uh, Facebook's then head of security engineering wrote an email. I can't think of a good argument for why this is okay. Which, honestly, when you're asking stuff like that internally, like, good on Pedro. Yeah. I want to shout that out. Yeah. I mean, did he stop it?

Starting point is 02:17:39 I mean, it's publicly known. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's not there now. So hold on a second. Let's find out when he left Facebook. I'm going to find out. I'm going to bring it.

Starting point is 02:17:51 Nice. One password hired him in 2021. Hmm. Blah, blah, blah. Hold hold on Facebook okay he said he could probably write a book about the lessons he learned during his Facebook tenure it's probably fair to say he could have left Facebook

Starting point is 02:18:16 for any number of big tech companies blah blah blah okay 12 years at Facebook okay so he bailed how long after this we don't know where he started, though. We don't know that that's the first opportunity he took. We also don't know that he took that opportunity immediately after leaving Facebook. That's true.

Starting point is 02:18:32 I think we still don't know when he left. Yeah, it seems like he was still there while they were doing that. Anyway, I mean, we can't go after absolutely everyone who doesn't blow the whistle on things. We can't go after absolutely everyone who doesn't blow the whistle on things. People have all kinds of pressures on them and can end up complicit in all kinds of things, whether they realize it at the time or not, or whatever the case may be. We shouldn't be too judgmental. That's all I'm trying to say. It's pretty stunning to me that companies are allowed to exist

Starting point is 02:19:05 after doing stuff like that. Amazon gives a peek into its anti-counterfeiting fight. According to a recent Amazon report, the company blocked over 700,000 suspicious attempts to create seller accounts and nabbed over 7 million counterfeit products last year. This is up from 2 million in 2020 they attribute the increase to increased verification requirements for seller accounts and partnerships

Starting point is 02:19:31 with brands and law enforcement all around the world including from major sources of counterfeit goods like china so um yeah i guess this is good i don't remember actually signing i don't remember saying that we were going to talk about this, but that's good, I guess. So keep it up, Amazon. Yeah. Except that Amazon's a complete show trying to shop for anything. So I don't know. It's got a lot worse.

Starting point is 02:19:54 I used to search for products almost exclusively on Amazon and then potentially buy them elsewhere once I found the one that I actually wanted. And that is no longer the case. Yeah. Now you're better off typing it into Bing. Yeah. wanted and that is no longer the case yeah now you're better off typing it into bing yeah um qualcomm has essentially created a very similar uh translation layer for windows on arm according

Starting point is 02:20:17 to qualcomm most x86 x64 windows games will just work on Snapdragon X Elite laptop processors due to an extremely efficient emulation layer similar to Valve's Proton. The company also apparently invited several members of the press and influencers to try an early demo of the hardware running 2019's Control, 2022's Redout 2, and Baldur's Gate 3. Results were promising but mixed. The demo for Baldur's Gate 3 appears to have were promising but mixed. The demo for Baldur's Gate 3 appears to have been aimed for a target of medium settings at 1080p 30fps but dipped as low as 21fps

Starting point is 02:20:52 in footage taken from the event and it was also restricted to the game's opening sequence which takes place in an enclosed area rather than the open world map. However, the fact that it's working at all is a pretty solid indication that it is it gonna happen this time is windows on arm finally gonna happen when did the surface rt come

Starting point is 02:21:13 out because i feel like that was in like 220 hold on let me think 2011 okay let's see surface rt release i guess it's 2014. Damn, 2012. You were closer to me. I was closest without going over. And you were below. I'm just salty because he beat me at a similar price guessing game earlier today. And I should not have won. I'm very upset. I'm extremely upset.

Starting point is 02:21:37 Like going to crush you at Super Checks tonight upset. I need vengeance. It's so late. It's not that late. It's 9.45. Yeah, but only... It's not like. It's not that late. It's 9.45. It's not like my family's here and I have anywhere to go. Oh, that's what's going on.

Starting point is 02:21:51 Okay, I understand. Do you have no plans this weekend then? They're coming home tomorrow morning. I got lots of plans this weekend. He's going to say we should anno. Oh, I mean, yeah. We're not going to have that much time after merch messages and super checks.

Starting point is 02:22:08 He's going to say super checks. Yeah. All right. Okay. I can't explain why that's annoying, but okay. Speaking of annoying, we're sinking, Luke. We are. You want me to do it again?

Starting point is 02:22:19 Do you mind? Yeah. Okay. Why don't I do another topic real quick while Luke unsinks us. Florida has banned kids from social media florida has passed a new law banning kids under 10 from social media and requiring teens ages 14 and 15 to obtain parental permission before creating an account it's likely that the law will be met with significant legal challenges because it requires

Starting point is 02:22:43 age verification to access social media which critics argue is a substantial burden on both adults and minors' First Amendment rights to free speech and free assembly. Similar laws in Utah and Arkansas have been passed requiring anyone under 18 to acquire parental consent before creating a social media account. However, the Utah law has yet to take effect, and the Arkansas law has been temporarily blocked by a judge. Florida's law is distinct from both in that it focuses on younger, more vulnerable users, and it justifies its ban based on the addictive nature of social media platforms

Starting point is 02:23:21 rather than on their specific content, which is actually a pretty darn good point. Meanwhile, 41 U.S. states and the District of Columbia have filed suits against Meta over addictive features that say they're harming children in violation of state consumer protections and federal privacy laws intended to protect children online. If successful, these could result in heavy fines or force Meta to restructure its online platforms. Oh, yeah, you've got to sit down.

Starting point is 02:23:48 That'll help. Oh, yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, there's three segments to do. Also, there's a couple of Ontario jurisdictions have sued. I think it was Meta as well over the addictive nature of their platforms. was meta as well over the addictive nature of their platforms. Yeah, Ontario schools are suing ByteDance, Meta, and Snapchat.

Starting point is 02:24:17 Things are about to get very interesting. And again, one of the big focuses was on the addictiveness of these platforms. All right, cool. Thanks, Luke. Yeah, we're good. Have a seat. Have a seat right over there. Dan, I think we're at the end of our topics for today.

Starting point is 02:24:40 Oh, wait, no. First discussion. So banning minors from social media. I think we're good, Dan. No, no, you're good. You're good. So much taller. Banning minors from social media. I think we're good, Dan. No, no, you're good. You're good. I'm so much taller. Banning minors from social media.

Starting point is 02:24:49 Yay or nay? Yeah. I mean, they're addictive, right? Yeah, screw it. I even read a thing recently where there were some teachers talking about how with phones in schools, people aren't even like talking in the hallways between class anymore. Really? Everyone's just like walking around on their phones. I mean, they're probably talking to each other.

Starting point is 02:25:09 Yeah. You know, they're talking to each other. The classic being in the same room texting each other. But it's like even more hardcore because you might not be in the same class with your friends. So they'll have a bunch of like group chats and stuff going on. And if you aren't walking around talking on your phone. Right. You're missing out. so you're not conversing

Starting point is 02:25:26 with people impromptu in person right so the hallways are like quiet oh really and everyone's just walking around on their phones and they're like it's really weird and then there was one school that banned phones and they said all the kids liked it and they started asking the kids why and they were like oh well i didn't actually want to on it, but I didn't want to be the only one not on it. So if no one's on it, it's actually better. And I was like, that's fantastic. Go kids. Man, I noticed the other day,

Starting point is 02:25:55 I was in mid-conversation and someone took a call and I didn't care and i realized how bizarre that behavior would have been in my adult memory oh wow but yeah like like how utterly inappropriate that would have been when i first got a cell phone so that would have been in around 2004 you'd have to be like i'm sorry this is very i am so sorry they have called me three times this must be a life or death emergency please excuse me for this call and this is a job interview whereas it was more along the lines of we were talking and they were just like see you later okay sure um and to be clear this is like someone that i have a good relationship with and like it was fine i didn't care it was not over my boundaries i just didn't realize how far my boundaries had been stretched yeah totally totally yeah. Totally. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. That was a story

Starting point is 02:27:05 that made me have some more hope for whatever name of generation is currently in school. I think it's Alpha or something. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:27:15 Something like that. But yeah, kind of based on the whole social media thing. I think it's time for WAN Show After Dark. Mr. Daniel Besser, how are you doing?

Starting point is 02:27:28 I'm glad to hear that. I'm not sure if I'm glad to hear the tone in your voice as you say that thing, I definitely believe, but I'm glad to have plausible deniability for not knowing how horrible you feel. He says he's been walking. Yes, indeed. He's been talking about you and me.

Starting point is 02:27:49 We're just turning pink. I think after dark may not work today. Sure. That's a little darker. After dim. Yeah, after dim. I don't know. Will it be cam?

Starting point is 02:28:04 It's a new memory module. Oh, wow. Don't worry about it. It's for laptops. Sorry, Cam. I know. Sheesh. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 02:28:16 Okay, so the new labs website page. How did we not talk about that today? How did we not talk about that today? People seem to freaking love it there is a lot of work that has to happen of course but that's why we did the early like preview and that's why we're just publishing one article about one graphics card that realistically very few people care about the point of this is just you're going so fast luke take your time did you notice how we got these get back up there get back up there. Get back up there. Get back.

Starting point is 02:28:45 Come on, come on, come on. Okay, so guys, the first actual product page, and I don't think we would necessarily call them articles because it's the whole point of Labs, right, is that this is meant to be the page for this product so that you know what's up. Okay, so we've published our first product page for the PowerColor Hellhound RX 7600 XT 16 gig. This is where you guys are seeing everything that the team has worked on for the last,

Starting point is 02:29:18 what? How bloody hell? When did we first start the lab? When did we hire Antoine? Was he the first? Who was the first person we hired for labs uh nick really i think i think that right i think man does someone know does anyone know or is there any staffers watching and chat does anyone remember has it been three years good lord anyway um the point is because our first project was uh dpu testing right or is this just the i'm remembering this this way because that's what i was involved in

Starting point is 02:29:59 i don't know i don't i could be wrong Okay, whatever. I very likely have bias because I was the one that... The point is the team has grown a lot, has learned a lot, has done so, so much work. And it's all finally getting to the point where we can start to show you guys, beyond just helping run some numbers and graphs and sort of helping out the video production side of things. These guys have been working on their own stuff as well. And it's been an incredible journey. Everything from like the arrangement of the author's name and whether we would put the

Starting point is 02:30:40 author's name and publication date and where all that information would be found. Do you include time? Where the social media links would go and how the sharing works. Do they go over here? Do they go over here? Everything, man. The number of mock-ups that I've seen. This is why I have so much anxiety right now of wanting to scroll down so badly because

Starting point is 02:31:00 there's cool tech we've made and it's not at the top. But everything matters. That's true. There's not at the top. But everything matters. It's true. There's been so much work. There has been. Okay, so let's start going down slowly. All right. Okay, so these assets,

Starting point is 02:31:16 or not assets, these attributes of the product that we populate, like the work of figuring out, okay, what are all the attributes that you should have? What is it called? Because you can imply a significant amount by the work of figuring out, okay, what are all the attributes that you should have? What is it called? Because you can imply a significant amount by the name of the category.

Starting point is 02:31:29 Yes. Is it highlights? Is it key specs? Is it, I don't remember all of them. There was a lot of different options. It was, I believe, key specs for a long time. And then it got changed back to highlights again at some point.

Starting point is 02:31:44 Yeah, because we couldn't decide, okay, do we want to focus on the positive here do we want to have the negative do we want to have a mixture should it be redundant if it's key specs and it has to be a spec yes well what's a spec I don't know like these are all things that need to be figured out and need real answers not just hand wavy I don't know we'll figure it out answers because they affect the design. The summary is handwritten. And it, oh man, we went back and forth so many times, like, should there be summaries at every section?

Starting point is 02:32:16 Should it just be a summary at the top? Should the summary be like an introduction to the product? Should it be a conclusion to the product? Oh, I don't know okay hey look you can buy it go down yep should we show the price should we have people click through to the price how will we get the price all problems all problems that needed to be solved um all right cool look at the luma field slides

Starting point is 02:32:50 yeah so you know we were doing this yes super cool so did you know they were going to get embedded though I didn't so we can tear down products

Starting point is 02:33:02 without tearing down products. We do have a publication date, guys. It's at the top. Oh, man. We've talked about how we're going to... Yeah, yeah, there. There.

Starting point is 02:33:13 If you mouse over it, you can see a version history. Super cool, right? Or wait, is that coming? I don't know if that's currently in. I think that's just showing you the time. Okay, never mind. But that's something we've talked about. I'm just saying there's a lot of decisions, okay? That might be in. I don't want to that's currently in. I think that's just showing you the time. Okay, never mind. But that's something we've talked about. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:26 I'm just saying there's a lot of decisions, okay? That might be in. I don't want to say that's wrong. I just don't think that's what's currently happening when I highlight over this. Okay, so go down, go down. Yeah, so we have a CT scanner now, which is pretty cool.

Starting point is 02:33:42 We'll have a video coming on that very soon. Photos. Okay, so now we can expand things performance look at that you can have graphs um in the long term oh oh can you show them the thing where you can change the colors depending on what is like sort of best for your eyes so cool so cool so cool so you can go into some presets right now we just have default and high contrast but you can change colors however you want because

Starting point is 02:34:13 we there's just so many different ways where maybe you just find one more comfortable maybe you are colorblind maybe who knows so you can customize all the chart colors so proud of the team that was actually like very early Maybe you are colorblind. Maybe, who knows? So you can customize all the chart colors. So proud of the team. That was actually like very early.

Starting point is 02:34:29 I don't remember who suggested that, but someone suggested that and we were basically all like, yep, that's a great idea. It wasn't me. Nor me. There was some, there's a lot of like little feedback things

Starting point is 02:34:39 we've been receiving. Like we're very proud of these charts, but we found that these labels on the left-hand side are very small print on mobile. we'll look into that some people have pointed out i think i do agree with it was this already changed somebody already get to this yeah i think so y'all are hilarious by the way that's sick um overall like wasn't pinned to the top so you'd have like a few random games and then overall and people were like that sucks and it's clearly already been changed i didn't even ask for that

Starting point is 02:35:10 to happen but that was clearly the right decision so i'm happy it did um yeah cool label i love the Yeah, and this, oh man. Yeah, a lot of work. Making graphs is surprisingly manual in a lot of cases. And so figuring out how to make them automatic and make them good has been an inordinate amount of work. Yes, we want to add things to the comparison bin at the top. I see we've changed the word cart to bin. I actually didn't sign off on that, but I like it. It's better. Yeah, people hated cart.

Starting point is 02:35:50 Yeah. Viciously hated cart. So it's bin now. Yeah. I made the call. I was like, we're going to call it comparison cart because there were a bunch of worse ideas. But neither Luke nor I thought of bin.

Starting point is 02:36:04 Nope. And that's better. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Bin makes sense because it's, this is my comparison bin. It's cause it's,

Starting point is 02:36:14 it's just shorter than bucket. Bucket would have been too long, but it's, it feels like, yeah, this is my bucket of things I want to like compare. And that's why I went with cart. Cause it's like,

Starting point is 02:36:22 I'm like, I'm like shopping. I'm shopping for things I want to like compare to each other. But no, bin makes more sense because this is not a store. Yeah. Oh, so excited. And so in the long term, man, we're going to get testing going in higher volumes. It's going to take time, man.

Starting point is 02:36:42 The ramp is going to take time. But hopefully you guys can see that we have not just been sitting on our butts because what we've been trying to build is something that can scale, something that is for more than just publishing the odd review or article here and there. We want this to be a database,

Starting point is 02:36:58 and that is so much, so much work. It can't be just compare, for the person who just asked because this button is compare the comparison bin is where the things that you've selected to compare go yeah so you can't just have like this button's called compare and then this button's called compare and they do completely different things yeah that's a terrible user experience they have to be different we might have to change that to add to comparison bin or something like that though there's clearly horizontal room for it so that's what the plus symbol is supposed to be yeah we could do whatever there will be changes right so like yeah the the original like i don't know what you even want to call it alpha launch

Starting point is 02:37:39 or whatever um we got a bunch of feedback improve some things and this time we got a bunch of feedback have already improved some things and And this time we got a bunch of feedback, have already improved some things and there's more improvements that will be coming. And you know what? I think that there was a lot of internal, I shouldn't say I think, there was a lot of internal debate around doing this as a soft launch.

Starting point is 02:37:57 Like showing the look of the site without even any articles on it. Publishing one article before we're realistically ready to ramp hard um i i feel this feels like the right way extremely validated by how how positive and understanding the community has been we've just been working on it for so long i think people were worried about people having a really negative response to it when it's not technically fully baked. So I understand some of the anxieties, but I'm happy we did it.

Starting point is 02:38:31 But people, the community has actually, I've been really proud of the community here because they've been so constructive in the way that they have approached this exercise. approached this exercise. Almost every single message, even the ones where they're like, I don't like something, they have included how they would like to see it improved. And a lot of the ideas have been really good. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:38:59 We've had very good feedback. And I think it's been really validating for the team to see that no one is looking at it going, this is a teardown. Everyone's like, oh, cool. It would be great if this thing worked this way. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think it's going to make this. It's going to guide us as we continue to ramp and as we make our way toward the vision that this vision officer has envisioned and something better than what I envisioned.

Starting point is 02:39:27 I think that that's the difference between involving the community and not involving the community. Good ideas can come from anywhere, guys. And I think you see that in the way that the team has implemented things that I didn't think of or Luke didn't think of. things that you know i didn't think of or luke didn't think of um and the way that the community has has requested things that we didn't collectively think of right more voices can be a negative thing but if it's managed it can be so so so positive trickling in the more voices yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah man if we'd started with like what would would you like to see in a tech information product page site? It would have been directionless. It's good that we had kind of an idea from the first place.

Starting point is 02:40:15 I love the logo. The Labs logo? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's pretty good. I actually think it's... I like the text a lot. Yeah. I believe the text was Sarah,

Starting point is 02:40:27 but I think the heat sink was Gary. Not Gary Key, not the head of labs, but one of our other designers. That confuses me all the time. Yeah, I know. It's a problem because Gary does a lot of work for the lab. Exactly. I know who he's talking about,

Starting point is 02:40:44 so it makes sense to me. yeah it's it's very confusing uh don't quote me on that sarah might have done both and gary might have done both uh they're they're both they're both wonderful um yeah logo looks like a simple heat sink it is it is but it's but it's it's clean it's it's it's approachable that's what i like about it it looks professional but uh not like sterile it has some personality there's the you know the logo test um can you draw it yeah now without not being able to see it. Okay, I'm going to draw it. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. Dan gave me a pass. Yeah, pass yeah but dance look i i drew it in two seconds yeah it's a good it's a good logo it is pretty good that is a thing though they're supposed to be like can you can like can people draw like would people be able to

Starting point is 02:41:59 recreate it from memory basically and that gets harder and harder to do as a lot of the basic things like oh our company's logo is an f thanks facebook uh the the more of those types of things get taken up it gets harder and harder so yeah yeah i think and and the heat sink there were a bunch of different things lots that we were it could i think one of them was a potentially a fan you know what maybe this is maybe this is the perfect time to look at some of the things it could have been. One of them was a unicorn? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:42:29 Hold on. Labs logo. Let me see if I can find... Do you want to stall for me? Do you want to do a merch message? Sure. Yeah. You got one to throw at me, Dan, by any chance?

Starting point is 02:42:41 Yeah. Button. Very far away. Luke! I actually have one for you directly, Luke. Perfect. I'm a pilot, and a while back you said you'd probably never do a charter flight, but you do like experiences.

Starting point is 02:43:01 If you could, would you take friends or family on a flight, and where would you go? The if I could would you take friends or family on a flight and where would you go if i could is a very questionable part of this um charter flights are upset not not to dog after your job i'm sure you do great stuff but charter flights are incredibly expensive um i think it would be a cool thing to do um it's just wicked expensive so you would have been down for scrapyard worth hey yeah that was your money though right yeah not only was i down i was trying to push you to do it didn't we win anyways we won that season right yeah i think so yeah way to go go us um but yeah i don't know i'm sure it'd be sweet i i've wanted to do a trip

Starting point is 02:43:47 with the whole family for a while my uh my brother has somewhat recently had a child so i don't think that's really on the table for a while um but it would be cool to do at some point maybe once that little one is able to remember it and stuff like that uh but i don't think it's going to be on a charter flight i don't think that's going to be a thing but thanks well unfortunately i don't think i can find google drive or impossible to find well it may have just never been shared with me i do a lot of these kinds of i i really like doing um like graphics conversations in person because this is someone's like subjective taste and and their and their work and their passion people don't get into art because they like want to make a ton of money

Starting point is 02:44:40 this is how i'm gonna make the big Yeah. They get into art because they are passionate. They, they love design. Um, and so I don't really like, I don't like to give feedback about stuff like that. Um, not in person. So I do like to have a lot of those conversations in person. Um,

Starting point is 02:44:55 so I may, it may have just never been shared with me, but I did find one thing. Um, I found a bunch of different possibilities for the gradient that we ultimately ended up with. So I can show that to you guys. That's pretty cool.

Starting point is 02:45:14 That's kind of a fun behind the scenes. Here we go. Labs icon gradient option. Oh. It's still loading. Oh, it stopped loading. No, it just stopped loading. One moment, please. I saw the loading. Oh, it stopped loading. It just stopped loading. One moment, please.

Starting point is 02:45:27 I saw the preview. Yeah, that's weird. Give me a sec here, guys. This has eight pages. Are you sure? Here we go. Oh, I see. There you go. So here's one of the gradient options. The color on that monitor is wild. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:45:44 That looks nuts. You guys won't be able to see this, but yeah. Okay. There's another gradient option. There's another gradient option. You should look at it on this one. Yeah, yeah. No, I've seen this.

Starting point is 02:45:56 I've seen this. Yeah, there's another gradient option. There's another gradient option. More orangey, more LTT. We ended up not leaning that direction. We ended up leaning more towards a short circuit type of palette. Mr. Light has just sent you a bunch of mock-ups for the lab logo. Oh, nice.

Starting point is 02:46:12 Why does Nick have that? Thanks, Nick. Thanks, Nick. I mean, I'm not complaining. Sir. I don't know. Just like, why Woody? I mean, yeah, Sarah.

Starting point is 02:46:23 Oh, well, because nick doesn't work on the lab but he is sarah's manager so yeah that that kind of checks out okay here you go oh here it is this is the one yeah this okay let's go labs icon concept do you want to get rid of us dan some of these yeah give me a second wild yeah there were man there were so many ideas we had like some some really good group conversations about it and i think we picked the right thing seeing it on the site and seeing that the fact the fact that i haven't seen a single comment you know how i read comments i haven't seen a single comment that's like that logo is dumb yeah it's And that realistically, a logo that nobody hates.

Starting point is 02:47:07 Great logo. Yeah. Fantastic logo. Yeah. That logo came to me, tears running down his face. Big strong logo. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:47:17 Yeah. Okay. Dan? Working on it. Okay. Well, we'll get started. You could probably start. I think that first one doesn't have anything in the corner.

Starting point is 02:47:26 Cool. Yeah, you're good here. Oh, you know what? No, let's go one by one here. Fixed. Case concept. Data collection, PC testing, Beaker ties into labs, so the case is going to have kind of scientific-looking fluid in it.

Starting point is 02:47:44 We tried having it face in this way. It's cool. Super cool. But not everything is going to be a computer. The desktop PC is probably on the out, you know, compared to mobile phones and laptops and handheld PCs and consoles. Like we're going to test everything, right? Like we didn't want to be just PC. Okay. A fan. Pretty cool. consoles like we're gonna test everything right like we didn't want to be just pc okay a fan pretty cool pretty cool i liked this one a lot this was uh this was pretty close for me um yeah i like this one a bunch but not everything has a fan. There's a lot of tech that doesn't

Starting point is 02:48:26 have any moving parts. Kind of going out of fashion. Okay, the CPU with kind of the beaker. Thought this one was really cool. Again, too PC IT specific. I also thought while it is great, and I think the

Starting point is 02:48:42 dot helps a lot with understanding, I think a lot of people wouldn't have known what it was yep yep so we ended up losing the cpu because cooling can be on anything so this is pretty darn close to final so this is this is what ultimately won obviously yeah um represents power and pushing components to the limit yeah love it okay so the wi-fi rainbow um you can see here the idea was that it's about like the underlying sort of passion that brings us to investigate technology and how magical it all is i just really yeah i felt it looked too much like wi-fi yeah yeah the beaker planet my issue with this one um and actually, and to be clear,

Starting point is 02:49:46 I'm not saying like I was so smart and I picked the right ones. It's not like that. This was a conversation. So I'm giving you guys a summary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a lot of the time, one of the designers will, I'll be having a meeting with them

Starting point is 02:49:57 and they'll be like, okay, which one do you like? And I'll say, which one do you like? And they'll be like, well, this one has this issue and this one has this issue. I think this one's the best. And they'll be like, well, this one has this issue and this one has this issue. I think this one's the best. I'll be like, cool. I'm glad we didn't have to have the entire rest of this meeting. Yeah. Yeah. So I, okay. I just want to make that really, really clear.

Starting point is 02:50:16 So a lot of the time, these concerns that I'm talking about would have been shared or even raised by the designer who worked on the project but sometimes you gotta throw spaghetti at the wall this one this one didn't fly this one i thought was really cool that's pretty cool yeah the nucleus star just a little bit too physicsy so kind of how like how some of the other ones were a bit too much chemistry lab this felt a little bit too physics lab and didn't really say tech really cool logo this one and the last one both really cool just maybe for a slightly different application yeah maybe for a different kind of lab yeah yeah hopefully you guys uh hopefully you guys enjoyed that i had that up full screen so i have no idea um if you guys thought that was cool someone said the circle logo is just north face there was a few i think there's more yeah because there's the unicorn one

Starting point is 02:51:02 and stuff there's more designs than what we're just because there's the unicorn one and stuff. There's more designs than what were just in there. Yeah, the unicorn one was pretty wild. And there was quite a few designs where it wasn't the same. It was clearly an original idea, but it looked very similar to... I remember one of them looked very close to the Renault logo. We have a shirt that looks really close to the Renault logo. Maybe, yeah. Total accident.

Starting point is 02:51:22 But yeah, there's stuff like that where like, no, it was not actually copied from this, but it it was too close so someone in the company might have recognized like wait that looks like this we look it up we're like yeah that's too close people are going to call us on that even though that isn't what happened so we go with something else by the way did i ever end up showing um uh the smash champs logo ideas i think i talked about it i don't think i've even seen these oh okay yeah um have you seen these dad this is loading really slowly i don't think so maybe no no i don't think a lot of the people working on smash apps have seen the smash i probably saw them when i was trying to organize some files

Starting point is 02:52:01 yeah i think we've talked about this yeah This is the badminton club logo. That's pretty cool. I like it. I agree. It's clean. Imagine we could play Super Smash Bros. there. Imagine having a Smash Championship at Smash Champs.

Starting point is 02:52:18 Things take so long, man. There's a lot of really good concepts here. Are any of these gonna load like hello no preview available i mean sure i guess i love uh i love computers oh wow there was a hammer wow at one point kind of sick but i i think the one you went with is better this is also super cool but wow you know i don't know um this idea of having like the qr code integrated i thought was pretty cool so it would like load up our our site so if we had

Starting point is 02:52:52 any merch or like water bottles or whatever and people were like using them at other places then they just have like links to our stuff uh this is where that one started. Got it. So you kind of drew it back a little bit and then... Yeah. We wanted something that was a little bit more contained, a little bit more normal shape that you can put on the side of a water bottle or at the top of a webpage. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:53:15 That sort of thing. The idea was like a meteor, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it didn't need to be quite like in the meteor. Yeah, and with the new one you still get the get the point and the uh this is like a super cool font maybe a bit too cool i i still i still really like this font but yeah i don't always get my way yeah i don't necessarily agree with it being too cool to be honest i don't know. It's a sports thing, whatever.

Starting point is 02:53:46 Yeah, but it's also, you know, it's a club. It's more than just a... You want to appeal to... Who did these? Jay Kwan actually did a lot of this. Oh, wow. Yeah, so he's very multi-talented. Cool.

Starting point is 02:54:03 If you guys play Badminton, I'm sure you'll meet him at some point. I've met him. No, no, not you specifically. I mean, folks, if you play Badminton and you want to come play at Smash, I'm sure you'll meet him at some point. He's super cool, very passionate.

Starting point is 02:54:18 Yeah. And like I said, wildly multi-talented. He also built the facility in, I want to say he was using maya and did like paint color mock-ups and stuff so that we could make informed decisions about color um he's been working with uh i don't know if the other guy's off his probation yet but he's been working with so i'll just say the other guy he's been working with the other guy on like procurement of like floor mats, just like all kinds of things. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:54:47 He's yeah. He's great. I was working with him on the software choice stuff. Oh yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Cool.

Starting point is 02:54:57 I've seen a lot of speculation about like what exactly is like going on with that? Like, is it some kind of like front it some kind of front or some kind of whatever? I like badminton. I'm trying to think of what it would be a front for. There's nowhere to play locally, like close.

Starting point is 02:55:19 It's a front for Linus not having to drive so far to play badminton. Yeah, and it's also, man, I can't go anywhere without running into someone who's like, yo, I heard you're opening a badminton center. Actually, I was at the ferry and someone I haven't played with in probably three to four years was like, hey, I heard your, I heard your opening a badminton center. I'm like,

Starting point is 02:55:47 dude, I haven't talked to anyone that I'm even aware knows you in years. How do you know about this? Getting around the badminton scene. Yeah. I was, I played last night at, um, at one of the Richmond clubs and,

Starting point is 02:56:00 um, someone, someone came up to me. They're like, yeah, I heard your opening a badminton center. You should like, you should do like some marketing and stuff. And I was like, brother.

Starting point is 02:56:08 Apparently, I don't need to. I have no idea who you are. And you just walked up and were like, hey, I heard you're opening a badminton club soon. I think apparently I'm good in all seriousness, of course. Yeah, we're going to have to do some marketing and stuff like that. But it's a pretty big scene here, and there's a lot of pent-up demand. I don't need a reason to open a business that can be sustainable. And there's a lot of residents being put in around this area. Oh, yeah. So, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:56:36 No shortage of people to play. It's going to be good. I'm excited. It's a great sport. I think the people that don't get it probably don't play. I think it's that simple. I didn't get it, and then I played, and then I understood. Yeah, it's fun.

Starting point is 02:56:50 And now my shoulder just is like, meh. Yeah, that's... I don't know about that. That's too bad, dude. But I'll try to play a little bit, and if not, I'll just go hang out, go on the treadmills, do whatever. And in design stuff, though, nothing is simple.

Starting point is 02:57:02 It's so hard. And you have to do so many iterations. Yeah. But, yeah, it is what it is. I think that's a, you came up with, or Jaquan came up with a really cool logo. I like that one a lot. Next, merch message. It's when after dark time.

Starting point is 02:57:17 Oh, yeah. Sure is. Let's do it. Let's do it. I got to push the button. There we go. Oh, I thought we already were we started i thought that whole thing was no you interrupted it to talk about logo oh for 40 minutes

Starting point is 02:57:31 i thought logo was after dark me too all right oh whatever whatever okay well we look too pink and then i left that sounds about right yeah oh we did we know that was a detour from the charter flight it was a oh my gosh okay well we did one that's good all right moving on hey lld linus my job has been going through growing pains from doubling its size from 500 to over a thousand in a year what are some of the growing pains you had with the growth of LTT? How about the first day you walked around the office and didn't know someone's name? Yeah, that was pretty bad. You swore at me multiple times. I did?

Starting point is 02:58:14 Yeah, because I was popping up all around and you would stare at me and go like, I don't know who this guy is. You said I swore at you? F-N-N guy. F-N-G. F-N-G. F-N-G? F-ing new guy. Did I really? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:58:32 I remember I was trying to get your master key to have them duplicated for the new lab building or something like that. Yeah. I sent you a message on Teams, which I never got a read report for. And then you walk into logistics or something like that. Yeah. I send you a message on Teams, which I never got a read report for. And then you walk into logistics or something, and I'm like, who the F is Daniel Besser?

Starting point is 02:58:50 And then you just drop the key on the table and leave. I thought that was great. That was probably one of the first couple times I ever met you. I like that somebody just was like, I need one of the two master keys for the whole building. I don't know who he is. Okay, here you go. Oh, man. People wonder

Starting point is 02:59:16 why I try to wrap Linus' accounts and stuff in extra security. I'm like, this is why, dude. I'm pretty sure of one. I was handing you a master key? Yeah, so that I could go get it copied. And the words I said to you were, who the f*** is Daniel Besser? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:59:34 Did I know you were Daniel Besser? Obviously. That's why it was probably so funny. That's hilarious. That's actually hilarious. uh okay oh man yeah i uh okay well uh it's the security issues you don't know about that hurt the most yeah no i'm pretty sure that it was discussed beforehand okay what was my point this makes me sound like a horrible person was I horrible no it was really funny oh okay

Starting point is 03:00:08 it was like my highlight of my entire career here it's just absolutely hilarious what was my point I don't understand I don't get the joke I think it's that you were handing him the master key I assumed that that was your joke oh i get it now

Starting point is 03:00:26 sorry i just and also we had like never met before yeah okay and you're just i get i get it giving me this i think you were making light of like oh the fact that i was doing that you guys had never met and you were giving him a master key to a building i get it and yvonne had probably said that it was okay and yeah yeah okay that totally makes sense now yeah i i i don't know if it was just your dry british delivery but you made it sound like i was angry about it or something oh you you did you were you were quite heated about it was i but not like angry angry oh you know what i was well i had probably been trying to track down where you sat or something most likely like i was probably in a hurry ah that makes a lot of sense. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 03:01:05 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 03:01:06 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. You're not, you're not mean. Oh,

Starting point is 03:01:07 the whole thing makes so much more sense now. Like, yeah, I'm basically handing the keys to the kingdom to whoever the fuck this guy is. Uh, sure. Yeah. Like our whole team's chat history was like,

Starting point is 03:01:18 can I have the most important key to the business to go copy, please? Got it. Yeah. That all makes way more sense now yeah i mean luke and i struggle when people walk past our desks now right i'd say communication is the biggest challenge when things grow too fast i mean i think you guys have probably seen a lot of that leak out into into the public sphere whether it's just you know mistakes or

Starting point is 03:01:43 uh miscommunications or areas where our operations clearly hasn't kept up with how many chefs there are in the kitchen. Um, it's, it's always, it's always really interesting to me where people will see something like, um, you know, a logistics or communication error internally. They'll go, how did Linus fuck that up? I'm like, I never touched any of it. I think because so many YouTubers are one and two bit operations,

Starting point is 03:02:13 people assume that they all are, and they're not. Like when we do something really good, Luke, I go out of my way to talk about how great the team is that worked on it. Nope, if we do great things, it's everyone else, and if we do terrible things, it uh everyone else and if we do terrible

Starting point is 03:02:25 things it's linus's fault way to go he doesn't even he's not even the ceo anymore still his fault bad vision i'm still involved in a lot of decisions it's a slow transition but we knew that um so just to be clear just because i still own the whole company i do not okay sort of your family unit owns the whole that is true there we go got them that's a better way i've been thinking about how to say this for a while family unit yeah that works yeah i if someone was like you and ivan are a family unit i'd be like yeah yeah i think it makes sense because i also i don't want to say like you and your wife because it's not like that not that you know what I mean yeah like it's more yeah sink plane says he did say should roll uphill

Starting point is 03:03:13 I did and I was right um that is that is the correct way credit should be shared blame should be accepted but it can be it can be exhausting it can be wearing sometimes but it's worth it it's how it's got to work it's the right way but I think really the important question is who the f*** is Daniel Besser

Starting point is 03:03:40 let's not get distracted from these important questions I don't know but i'm comfy now that's all that matters uh sorry well that's an image i'll never forget uh okay what's next hi ldl i recently bought stuff from ebay and gave a critical review about it the seller then reached out and offered to pay me to change my review. No, don't. What is your review on sellers paying for reviews? It's horrible.

Starting point is 03:04:09 It's the very worst thing ever. And we would never do that on LTT Store. I'm going to go find a horrible review. Nice. Let's find one. But I'm going to cheat a little bit and I'm going to show you guys an awesome one first.

Starting point is 03:04:29 There's one review so far for the magnetic cable management products from Jorn, verified by shop. Absolutely amazing. As soon as they announced they were making this, I was on board. And when I got the email to order them,

Starting point is 03:04:44 I pounced and it was well worth it. Simple to install, super strong, and just makes the process of mounting power bars actually doable and far better than the three inch long nails loosely inserted into drywall that was my previous solution. If there's any product to get from LTD's cable management line, it's this one.

Starting point is 03:05:00 It's a game changer. All right, let's go find something horrible. Oh, it's on the power bar key, okay. Yeah, the power bar key is so cool measurement line wow he really wants this it's so cool um okay loop help me out pick a category pick a category any category um um the screwdriver shaft extension you're not going to find a negative review of that. Oh. I mean, we can try. 27 reviews.

Starting point is 03:05:31 Oh, there's... Okay. Okay, four stars. That's the worst one. Good extension with some... Good quality extension with some minor issues. Okay. It enlarges your screwdriver.

Starting point is 03:05:43 By the way, reading reviews on the site is actually great i do this for fun sometimes pretty fun um it does this i didn't see that coming i'll say that it does this nicely with a strong magnet i cannot make it fall out of the original shaft by waving the screwdriver around it does have two small issues the extender doesn't sit flush with the original shaft the magnetic bit is a bit too long okay uh this was was on purpose. The reason it doesn't sit flush is because if we tried to get it to sit flush, there are tolerance issues that could prevent the shaft from fully contacting the magnet inside the original shaft. So the extension might not make physical contact. Magnetic strength is strongest the closer you can get the magnets so if we tried to make it perfectly flush then we would end up with something that was usually perfect and sometimes didn't make

Starting point is 03:06:32 full contact so we made the decision to not even try to make it perfectly flush to put a fingernail spot in there so that we would never run into that issue the extender waggles a bit when in use most likely because of issue one actually the reason is that everyender waggles a bit when in use, most likely because of issue one. Actually, the reason is that every bit waggles. It's just you only notice it with an extension because the spec for a quarter inch drive has tolerances built into it. And our tolerance is really tight on our driver. So we could have made it tighter, but it would have made our shaft sometimes incompatible with third-party drivers. So if you check really carefully with the pair of calipers, you can see that the male end of our shaft extension is actually a little bit bigger than spec, but not much. So we made it as tighter as we could while still retaining compatibility with almost every third-party driver.

Starting point is 03:07:27 Okay, should we find an actual bad one? Let's find something actually bad. I didn't realize there would actually be none on that product. It's a really good product. Let's go to something that has like a bajillion reviews, like Screwdriver or something. Sure. Which one do you want? Just the full prime one.

Starting point is 03:07:44 Let's go for the most possible review so we have the highest chance Just the full prime one. Let's go for the most possible review so we have the highest chance of picking a negative one. That's a, yeah. Okay. All right. 3% of our reviews are one star. Took a long time to arrive.

Starting point is 03:08:02 Didn't get it. This is probably dealt with at this point. Another took a long time to arrive. Took a long time to arrive. Didn't get it. This is probably dealt with at this point. Another took a long time to arrive. Took a long time to arrive. I ordered three, and it looks like each of them come from different batches. Colors are slightly off on the last one. Plus, the mechanics seem to be less precise

Starting point is 03:08:17 than the first one ordered a few months ago. So, the colors could be slightly off, and the mechanics seems could be oh sorry no the mechanics could be less precise than the first one there there are variances yep that's a thing that happens and colors can be a little bit different from time to time yet to arrive we had some delivery issues before um yeah there's some negative reviews of support.

Starting point is 03:08:45 It should be noted that anything under a certain threshold we reach out to, but they don't always revise their reviews. The worst screwdriver would recommend to others, but

Starting point is 03:09:01 wish there was an all-black option and shipping wasn't expensive i think this person is somewhat trolling look at the like to dislike on it okay yeah uh never arrived wait are these people that like like 2023 when did we launch the thing no we launched it in 2022 right i think so yeah there's yeah yeah yeah 2022 right i'm'm not sure. I don't know, but there's a bunch of complaints from like August. When did we launch it? I think we launched it in 2022. Right?

Starting point is 03:09:33 Yeah, I think. I'm like gaslighting myself. I'm pretty sure. Did we launch a video on LTT? We did. We launched it in 2022. Okay, so apparently we had some shipping delays in July july august oh was this around ltx this would have been just after ltx okay charge me one dollar more after receive the shipment

Starting point is 03:09:57 without reason well that was probably their like customs or whatever. A big mistake. Okay, another delivery issue. I mean, if this person reaches out to customer care, I'm sure we can get them sorted out. Okay, so has anyone actually had a problem with the screwdriver yet? The one person didn't like that the colors were different. Haven't received it. I'm not thrilled with the result.

Starting point is 03:10:20 Okay, there, here we go. First thing is the magnet is too strong and really annoying to get the screw set in place. What? Really? While nice for holding screws on it, come annoying to get them set. Also, the screw that hold an outlet cover

Starting point is 03:10:38 is not enough back force for the ratchet, and I am forced to turn the shaft by hand, and after all the hype on the ratcheting mechanism really and one other thing is there's no way to know what direction it is set to without testing it oh there is an indicator actually um okay yeah it would be better to have an indicator there's an indicator uh way too overhyped and underdelivered okay there i guess my point was pretty good william bird's review is still there for you to enjoy we do not believe in um in in covering up problems whether they're delivery issues that we had around the LTX timeframe, whether

Starting point is 03:11:25 they are complaints that people have about the product, even if we don't agree that they're valid. Guys, we're here for you to, we're here for you guys to get the real, the real customer experience. That's what our reviews are for. I legitimately like love reading reviews on the site, though. People are saying that the indicator is... I think there's a way to tell.

Starting point is 03:11:53 People are saying that the indicator is just what direction to turn it, not what it's currently set to. Yeah, it tells you what it's currently set to. Where's my... Easily accessible backpack location directly behind you your back pack is supposed to be on your back while you put it behind you when you're seated oh no no no you guys are right yeah it tells you what way to twist it

Starting point is 03:12:20 oh yeah no you're right based on like the the handle or anything no you i don't remember yeah there totally is actually based on the flat point sorry based on the flat point of the hand oh yes yes it's centered left side yes yeah if it is uh centered on the flat that's right yes there is a way to tell but it is not that clearly indicated if in the center of the flat it is neutral if it is to the side of the flat then it is neutral. If it is to the side of the flat, then it is that way. If it's to the other side of the flat, then it's that way. Yeah. There is an indicator. It's possible.

Starting point is 03:12:50 You kind of have to figure it out, though. I don't think we actually tell you that. We didn't tell you that. So this is keyed. So the selector ring always goes in in the same orientation. That is by design. Yeah. I just totally forgot about it.

Starting point is 03:13:04 Good job, Creator Warehouse team. Yeah. I just totally forgot about it. Good job, Creator Warehouse team. Yeah. It works. I was thinking, I was like, I'm pretty sure I've been able to tell before and I think I've used that trick. Yep.

Starting point is 03:13:17 What are we supposed to be talking about? Do you want another merch message? Yeah. I mean, that's what we're doing right now, right? Yep. Intel's Battle Mage got leaked.

Starting point is 03:13:27 Do you think it will have a much better launch than Alchemist? Will they be back on the WAN show? I daily an arc for the competition And have seen it improve a ton Intel's work on their driver Has been fantastic Yeah I said yes immediately to better launch but i what i think i mean by that is i think there will be more people ready to adopt it to be completely honest um i don't know i'm not going

Starting point is 03:13:53 to say right off the bat that like their driver is going to be flawless on launch nope um they've they've had a lot of improvements on their driver i'm very hopeful for that but i have no idea but i do think there will be more people interested in potentially buying an Intel GPU come this generation. Yeah, seeing how dedicated, how dogged they've been when it comes to improving these things. We're going to push harder. It gives me faith. I have a bunch of hope.

Starting point is 03:14:21 Yeah. I'm feeling good about it. I'll try it again. Yeah. I have a bunch of hope. Yeah. Yeah. I'm feeling good about it.

Starting point is 03:14:23 I'll try it again. Yeah. ALDL was finally time to pick up a shaft extension and the Bredsaurus pin. What do you think was the saddest company takeover that you were alive for? Oculus. Got him. Oh, now I'm sad. Totally beaten to the draw.

Starting point is 03:14:43 Bethesda. Got him. Nah. No, you're over it. They're already dead. That's true. That beaten to the draw. Bethesda. Got him. Nah. No, you're over it. They're already dead. That's true. That's fair. Okay.

Starting point is 03:14:48 Okay. Blizzard. Yeah. That was kind of a merger, but it feels like the Activision soul was the one that survived. It sure was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:15:00 Still Oculus, though. Hello, Linus. This is very sad. Sorry. Five-star review. I'm sorry i need to return this i bought it for my husband but he can't use it he was in a car accident how do i return it um i guess having randomly seen this i will forward this to customer care and we will try and get this sorted out uh sorry to hear that yeah but well yeah we'll we'll get you sorted out um hopefully uh he makes a speedy recovery yeah maybe we can get him something else yep some some sometime uh okay all right sorry dan go ahead hello linus been watching since Maybe we can get him something else. Yeah, sometime. Okay.

Starting point is 03:15:45 Sorry, Dan, go ahead. Hello, Linus. Been watching since NCIX days. Do you think a Dell Tower server would make a good choice for the first server, for a first server? If you're able to get one off of, like, you know, some company flipping it out the door for basically nothing, like, absolutely. As long as the performance there should be reliable enough.

Starting point is 03:16:06 That's how a lot of people get their first server chassis. Schedule send. We're out Monday, hey? Don't want to bother anyone. Nick is aware. Oh, Nick's on it? Yep. Oh, well that's easy. Look at this guy, dude.

Starting point is 03:16:22 Feeding us with the images we needed. Solving customer support things. So good. I'm going to save that one. Hello from Australia, DLL. I think I've seen the intro popping up again recently. What are people's reactions and how are the analytics finding it? Overall reactions are good.

Starting point is 03:16:43 It seems to be neutral, anything on retention so i think we're just gonna kind of have it sometimes if it feels like there needs to be an air gap between the intro and the body of the video um if it feels like something that we just kind of need to get into then we'll leave it out but it's i think right now it's out by default, but I'm adding it back in more often than not. I don't necessarily think we should make this. Someone in the chat just referenced this. Oh, can I find their name? What now?

Starting point is 03:17:14 Sorry, I don't think I can give you a shout out because I looked away and lost your name. Like an extension that adds the intro to every video. I don't think we should actually necessarily make this a shirt. Maybe we should. I'd be happy with being wrong. But if we don't, I think, Dan, you should make this yourself. Just a shirt that's just like either your face or Linus' face

Starting point is 03:17:31 and it just says who the F is Daniel Besser. And you should wear it. I don't even know anymore, man. I don't think I've known for a long time. I think that would be hilarious. Anyways, moving on. When? Okay.

Starting point is 03:17:55 Let's see. Let's see. Yeah, it should just be a black and white just side profile of you in the top. It's really comfy. I'm glad I did this. I should have done this ages ago. Okay, where are we? Hey, wan.xc.png

Starting point is 03:18:14 I've been watching a few older LDD videos and I love many of the older t-shirt designs like the Ram t-shirt. So would LMG ever open the vault for a limited run of the older designs? I'm not saying no, but

Starting point is 03:18:28 you know what? If you see something you like, buy three. Because it's not always possible for us to bring things back. We can't just print one of a shirt. It doesn't make sense. I've been doing that more often. I do it all the time. If I find something I like, mean, those badminton shoes, I bought like five pairs.

Starting point is 03:18:49 Yeah. Because the company that I like a lot of other elements of their designs, they had a wide shoe because they're an Asian company. So my feet are apparently wide, even though they're pretty typical for like a Caucasian dude. But like they made a wide shoe that was really good for me. Um, and I liked the grip of the bottoms and, and, uh, and like, I like their, their internal cushioning and all that kind of stuff. And so I bought one pair and I was like, well, I'll be able to get these forever.

Starting point is 03:19:21 And then when their next generation lineup came out they just didn't have a wide they're just like yeah well we don't need a like x65w anymore so whatever get the x65 too and i tried the one they were terrible they were too they were too narrow and then the next gen came out and they had a wide and i'm like okay well half a dozen pairs of these please and then if you guys skip a gen then i guess i'm good and if you have a future one well then that's cool but these fit fine so whatever i don't care my feet are uh wide and tall and just relatively large and finding shoes that are like sporty that fit all of those things is like practically impossible as far as i can tell. There are options, but I don't like most of them. So there are a few options, but then preference comes in and knocks those out. So there's like one pair of shoes that I just love and I wish I had more of them,

Starting point is 03:20:14 but I have two pairs right now, which is pretty okay. Next, Dan. Hey, Dan and the talent. Love the show. I was wondering how you assess your production quality, video and audio, et cetera, and decide when you need to upgrade, change up, or experiment, and then set new standards. That would be a great name for Ed and Andy. Great question, sorry, for Ed and Andy. Yeah, if anything, I would say that we've been more concerned

Starting point is 03:20:42 about workflow for the last six months than production quality so much. Figuring out how to smoothly produce rather than how to have more megapixels or whatever. DLL, how do you feel about users breaking an app's terms of service just to make it usable? For example, modding Discord mobile apps to bring the old layout back or YouTube apps to stop shorts from being shoved in your face? Okay, well, hold on.

Starting point is 03:21:23 We got to be a little careful here because you said make it usable and then talked about things that are not making it usable um you're not supposed to i guess personally i mean i don't really care um and as far as my understanding goes you aren't supposed to do things like custom skins and custom UIs for Discord, but I think they also just don't really go after you a ton unless you're broadcasting it. So I suspect that's how most of them will treat it,

Starting point is 03:21:57 but I'm not sure. We'll get rid of that. Did Linus ever get his revenge on Colton for the pregnancy prank no but I will and that was a long time ago and I'll get my revenge

Starting point is 03:22:15 biding my time oh boy and let's see any other ones you want to deal with we got some incoming first there's a potential you can check you've just done this so many times I don't know it's up to you oh which one the potential

Starting point is 03:22:32 oh oh do you still have your bike um I do it's in a lot of pieces right now I was actually working on sanding for it last night oh nice sandblasting I'm so I'm still still good I'm still good. I'm going to get it painted.

Starting point is 03:22:45 It's going to be pink, and it's going to be awesome. But Luke, what about Qualcomm? You said Qualcomm and then sponsor. We talked about that for sure. Oh, okay. Forget it. We did. Qualcomm creates Proton for Windows ARM.

Starting point is 03:22:58 We talked about that. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, we're good. Do you have any favorite retro video games that you want to share with your kids? I'm going to see if they'll play Final Fantasy 6 there's the remake the re-release, the pixel remaster that's the word I was looking for

Starting point is 03:23:13 I think that at least a couple of them might be ready for it but I also see the games they play now and they're so good, they're so different, they're so dense like if you ask me Final Fantasy 6 is still fun if you ask me what would you recommend to your kid though final fantasy 6 or dave the diver i'd be like i don't know go play dave the diver probably a better game yeah but there's time hey are you back on it yet no but i i want hold on hold on i'm done my i'm done my side i'll do it i'll do it i'll do watched Hackers. Because of the computer not being able to play it.

Starting point is 03:23:45 I watched Pirates of Silicon Valley, which was pretty tedious. I played Titanfall 2, which was excellent. Those movies were tedious for a very short period of time. Yeah. They were very tedious, though. I do actually want to keep playing it. I lost a bunch of momentum when my computer wouldn't play it. And then, like this last week, I wanted to play it.

Starting point is 03:24:01 I didn't play any video games the whole week. So, I don't know. I will get to it, though. I will it's not i'm not trying to avoid it it is actually genuinely just fun i want to actually beat it out of my own drive at this point all right i want uh i want peter's message dealt with here if you were given a complete do-over on one of your videos which one would you choose to reshoot and why? It would be the roast. Not recording the audience laughter. Killed it. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:24:31 And people were like, yeah, man, these jokes weren't landing, blah, blah, blah. They were killing the entire time. People loved it. But we were all mic'd like right here and there was no audience microphone. And we added some in in post but it's it's not the same like people were hooting they were losing it um and so it's just

Starting point is 03:24:53 yeah it's uh even some of the deliveries like the people have to pause basically because the audience is laughing so hard and it sounds like an awkward pause. And it's not, actually. It takes the vibe way down. Ugh. Yeah. Yeah. I watch it back every once, like, probably about once a year. I forget, like, half of it and then watch it again. It's so funny.

Starting point is 03:25:14 It's really funny. It's so funny. Okay. Last one I've got for you. You can never redo that. Someone's like, let's redo the roast. You could never hope to recapture that magic. And like, man.

Starting point is 03:25:30 Maybe in like 20 years. How narcissistic would you have to be to host an event about yourself? It's like writing multiple autobiographies. Yeah. Like, honestly. I can see it when you retire. If someone held one for me in 25 years.

Starting point is 03:25:57 Sure. It would be fine. But so much of what you say in a roast is supposed to be the core of that person theoretically it hasn't changed that much like you sure you could make fun of that person for something that happened recently but like you went after who i am and that's what's funny about it it has to cut deep and so how do you ever redo that it It's been done. I take it back. In 25 years, it wouldn't make sense. If someone else did it, I'd be like, no, it's been done.

Starting point is 03:26:30 Yeah, no, I'm over it. The last one I have. Linus and Luke, if you both bounce really hard, can you pop the couch or is it more durable? Feel free to save the attempt for the end. I think this is the end. Thanks, Joseph S., I guess.

Starting point is 03:26:46 How hard do you want to go? I mean, I don't know. Don't we need this couch? No, not really. I mean, we use it a lot for something we don't need, but... Oh, he's going pretty hard. I don't know if I can do... Hold on.

Starting point is 03:26:59 Oh, he's going really hard. Okay. If this pops, it's going to hurt really bad. gonna hurt really bad yeah that'll be funny okay okay ready um Sure. Are you timing it? Uh, three on go. Okay? Three, two, one, go. It didn't pop! Well, yeah, I feel like I was a little behind you, though.

Starting point is 03:27:35 Alright. I waited to watch you move instead of going at exactly the same time. Okay. Did I go on exactly go? No, you waited a second, but I waited too long. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna try to go fast on go. Okay. Did I go on exactly go? No, you waited a second, but I waited too long. Okay. Okay. I'm going to try to go fast on this. Okay.

Starting point is 03:27:56 Do you even core exercises, bro? Come on. Three, two, one, go. Oh, we definitely hit it at the same time. Yeah. Certainly durable. Oh, so it's pretty good then. It did pretty good. All right.

Starting point is 03:28:08 We do all our own stunts, by the way. Thanks for watching. See you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. people said there's multiple cells you have to jump on the same one uh it's actually just one well this couch is multiple cells but we were jumping on this i think a big part of the reason why it didn't pop is because there's one big air space that we're jumping on but then there's another one below it bye

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