The WAN Show - I Have To Address This On My Own?? - WAN Show December 27, 2024

Episode Date: December 28, 2024

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We interrupt your holiday listening pleasure to bring you an important bulletin. You could be doing exactly what you're doing right now, but with bottomless bevies on a beach in paradise. With Sunwing's big Boxing Week savings, you can choose between literally hundreds of all-inclusive vacation packages that offer big value for low prices. Take it from us. We've been here since last year's sale. Hey! Get away from my fries! Oh yeah, book with your local travel advisor or at... What's up everyone? Welcome to the WAN Show. Hello. A bit of a downer week this week. Gordon Gordon Ma, legendary PC hardware journalist, has, excuse me, Gordon Ma Ung, has passed away at 58.

So we'll be talking a little bit about that. His family's gotta go fund me because, you know, late stage healthcare in America can be real challenging. So that's a real downer. We'll also be talking about the honey controversy that broke this week. Turns out honey has been doing some stuff that is not sweet. What else we got this week? We're gonna talk about Linus on Colin and Samir and we're gonna talk about a favorite

moment of 2024. Oh, well that sounds at least good. Yeah Oh The show is brought to you by jump out MSI and oh sorry, I got totally Bamboozled by myself Boot.dev right and of course is brought to you by our chair partner, Secretlab, our skin partner, dbrand, and our laptop partner, LG. So why don't we jump right into Mr. Gordon. Unfortunately, I suck at professional networking. And while I did have the privilege of meeting Gordon on a number of occasions, we weren't

particularly close, but it's a funny thing because, you know, just like anyone else that I kind of cut my teeth. Go away phone, it's buzzing in the mic. Anyone else that I kind of cut my tech teeth reading, you know, the Ryan Shrouds and the Anand Lal Shimpies of the world. You know, Gordon means more to me than I probably did to him. Right. Yeah. You know? Yeah, yeah.

Like we did a video a little while ago building a Maximum PC, Dream PC, from when I was in high school. Like that, that was Gordon's jam, right? I used to read those, yeah. Yeah, so I'm gonna read the thing that our team prepared just because that makes it a little bit easier Gordon Maung executive editor of PC world passed away at 58 which sorry I'm already going off script

seriously 58 like 58 is the new 48 honestly and it seems way too way too soon yeah after a battle with pancreatic cancer insert obligatory for cancer to 48, honestly, and it seems way too soon. After a battle with pancreatic cancer, insert obligatory cancer. I don't care how early it is in the video. Apparently, beeping too early in the video is bad for the algorithm, but I think we can make an exception here. A pioneering figure in tech journalism, Gordon had over 25 years of experience, particularly in covering computer hardware and chips.

He was known for his investigative rigor, sharp wit, and strong personality, which resonated with both his colleagues and the tech community. Gordon's career began in journalism as a police reporter for the Contra Costa Times. In 1997, he would join Computer World and later Maximum PC, where he became famous for his passionate, often humorous commentary and deep technical expertise. He was the driving force behind Maximum PC's dream machine project and its consumer advocacy column, Watchdog. Later, Gordon joined PC World where he continued

his in-depth coverage of PC hardware. He began his foray into video with hardcore hardware series and the full nerd podcast. He was actually shockingly good on camera for one of the traditional like written people like he I was not a given I can't know it was not a given like multi-talented guy it's very few people that made that switch but he seemed as natural on camera as he was on a written page which is pretty incredible. Parky in

the chat says never heard of him I guess I'm too zoomer I promise you that you've read something Gordon wrote. Or read something influenced by Gordon. Yep I promise you and the reason for that is that so much so many of the formats so many of the of the styles that were started while he was there have become just commonplace it's kind of like saying yeah I've never oh man I'm trying to think of like of like a really like a trendsetting movie or show or something like that. It's okay, it's like saying yeah, I've never seen a bit from I Love Lucy. It's like you have, you just don't know it

because all the characters were recast and the script was retooled slightly. But like Lucille Ball was a trend setter. Yeah. Anyway, Gordon's work in legacy in the tech journalism space, But like Lucille Ball was a was a trendsetter. Yeah Anyway Gordon's work and legacy in the tech journalism space marked by both his technical know-how and larger-than-life persona earned him widespread respect and admiration Can confirm Gordon was committed until the very end Publishing video hardware reviews as recently as November 6th during the end of his treatment

I give you my personal line of Sebastian promise that I will not be working up until a couple of months before my passing. If I find out that I have a serious illness, I will peace so fast that you guys won't even remember I was ever here. That is an unbelievable level of commitment and actually super admirable because you have to know that anyone who stays at it is fighting hard. Oh yeah. Having that confidence that things

are gonna be normal someday. And just pushing for his family, I'm sure. Yeah, if you'd like to hear more about Gordon, there's a page full of heartfelt tributes on PC World as well as lovely videos from Tech Tech Potato, AKA Dr. Ian Cutress, who is one of the folks There's a page full of heartfelt tributes on PC world as well as lovely videos from tech tech potato aka Dr. Ian cutress who is one of the one of the folks that I grew up reading a lot as well as well as gamers nexus There's a whole bunch of discussion topics here, but I think that

of discussion topics here, but I think that the best thing to do right now, Dan, can you go ahead and get the GoFundMe linked in the chat? Let's just hurry up. I'm just looking at this for the first time. This is actually incredible. Massive shout out to the community for stepping up here. Why don't we just finish it off? But there's no reason that you can't exceed a goal. So Dan, can I just give you the company card and can you do that off camera? Absolutely. Okay, thank you.

It's the one that I am kind of pulling out here. No, that's this one. I don't know, you'll find it thanks Dan whoa AC3 production says Falcon Northwest donated 25,000 did yeah massive shout out Kel what an absolute onto you what an absolute Chad. Kel's super cool, he's the kind of person who, as far as I can tell, doesn't really need to, doesn't really need to like, oh, sorry, yeah, yeah, go ahead and use that one, that's fine, thanks Dan.

Kel's the kind of person that as far as I can tell, doesn't really need to build gaming systems anymore, if he doesn ahead and use that one. That's fine. Thanks, Dan Kelts the kind of person that as far as I can tell doesn't really need to like build gaming systems anymore If he doesn't really feel like it. I wish I'd gotten to I wish I'd gotten to know Gordon better. I I like I said, I'm terrible at networking and I have a tendency to just go to trade shows and stuff and just go completely head down in my work and it's stuff like this that Makes me kind of regret that Yeah, did you get a chance to meet him at least I met him twice yeah, okay

Just just finish it off they have a goal let's just make sure they hit it Yeah, yeah Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, on that note, why don't we move on to sort of the other heavy topic for this week, which is, of of course honey. So first of all big shout out to Mega Leg for for the work that was done reporting on what honey and actual well parent company PayPal has been up to with respect to this is truly a very professional podcast video podcast whatever this thing is thank you for that luke yeah

Since when are you the comic relief? Your job is to laugh at the comic relief Alarms I think that's my only standard alarm for this week that I didn't pause for the week Right and that's my like leave for Wanshoe alarm and then Wanshoe was early because I have a flight to catch brilliant Yeah, so massive shout out to to mega leg for the work that that he put into Digging into what exactly honey's been doing So I've got I've got a few things to kind of discuss.

First of all, the only point from Megaleg's video that we were aware of three years ago when we halted our Honey sponsorship was the affiliate code ripping. We heard about that from some tweets, like this one from Barnaclese. We also saw it covered on our own forum. There we go.

So there was, that was not, that was not really news, that part of it. But you know, obviously, as creators, we saw that and we were like, hey, that's not really cool. But we didn't really think that other than any creator friends, that it was something that impacted the general consumer. So it wasn't something that really merited a full video or anything like that.

Okay, thanks Dan Were you were you live for that they heard you or no? Oh, okay Dan said yeah He's done and the goal is done. But guys, please I'm sure that the goal is Really helpful, but I'm sure that any any little bits could any little bits could could help yeah I don't think go fund me looks like it's real time so I have to wait a sec for that to come through okay thanks Dan okay anyway affiliate code ripping bad affects creators doesn't affect the end user

We we were not the only ones who knew about the scam though. Here's a video from 2020 I actually didn't watch this one But I Don't know. I the whole thing for me with this is that mega leg did reach out to us for comment and my general position on it was, yeah, we dropped these guys three years ago. This all came out like the affiliate ripping stuff. Everything we knew about came out years ago. I'm very interested to see the video on all the other stuff. I don't really know what exactly it has to do with us. I am a little confused at still as to what exactly it has to do with us. Anyway,

back when we dropped honey, we had a call with their executive team. It was clear that they had no intention in intention to revise their business model away from the affiliate code ripping. So we decided to end our sponsorship agreement with them. If we'd known about any of the more end user centric issues discussed in Mega Legs video, such as purposely not giving users the best deal possible because of behind the scenes partnerships with companies, we very probably would have raised more alarm bells. But we had no reason at that time to believe that honey was anything other than what it claimed to be which was a coupon finding Service that took an affiliate cut

Many in the industry stopped working with honey without an LTT video being made so I think that one characterization of this whole situation that like the only ones that knew that like we knew and didn't tell anybody is Bizarre we were publicly informed by other people. Yeah acted on it Also, we publicly posted on our forum that we dropped them and gave the reason for it We've also never really been like people have tried to draw parallels between this and Ufi, but Ufi is a tech company that had huge end user problems. Yes. Like this, this is, that's a totally, that's something that we do.

That is something that we have done always. And Ufi had major implications like immediately right now for user privacy. Whereas Honey, in some ways it's like more insidious, but in other ways it's less immediately damaging than like, hey, an unencrypted feed of like every camera that our company has sold. Like that's there's there's bad and then there's like really, really, really, really, really bad. And also in our realm.

As for Karma, why we took a sponsorship from Karma, they assured us that they didn't do any link yoinking, which when we tested it seemed to be true. We only worked with them once. We did four sponsor spots on three videos and then I guess I didn't work with them anymore. As for the landing page that uses our likeness to promote honey we no longer have any direct contacts that are working there but we're working to have the page removed. Hopefully we can. Speaking of eufy, Anchor still uses our likeness. And with these really large, and in some cases overseas companies, it can be very difficult to get stuff like that fixed. Ike's Orange says, Linus, people think that

because the video sort of implies that only you knew, so people are misinterpreting that. I mean, I don't think it sort of implies, I think our prominent featuring in the video leads people there. I don't really understand that. I don't really, I don't really, I don't really get the emphasis on us,

to be honest with you. I don't really, I don't really know what people are expecting me to say about it other than Yeah, we we like heard about it in the news same as apparently basically everyone else given how many folks stopped working with them in the 2020 2021 time frame and Yeah, yeah Cool Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Sea Surfer says, it's also arguable that LTT was by far the largest channel and thus had the platform to motivate wider change. It's arguable.

It's very difficult to argue. I mean, given that Mr. Beast was the number one honey promoter, I think that if you were to make the argument that LTT is bigger than Mr. Beast, then not only would that be a difficult argument, you'd be kind of a fucking idiot. So, like I... I don't know, dude. Cool. um Cool

Should we move on like I don't really I don't I don't have a ton else to say on this I think like I yeah, honestly when I was when I was I watched the video and I Remembered us dropping honey. Yeah, I didn't particularly remember the reasons after some people brought up the the old video that you had mentioned Yeah, and a couple other things I like vaguely remembered that but I wasn't really a part of video stuff at that time So like I don't know this is the situations bizarre dude like I am a victim here I was surprised like I don't know if people notice that yeah like as a creator for whom affiliate revenue from Amazon was in 2020 7% of our business teams revenue like this had a significant impact on our business and absolutely it would have impacted other creators, too And they are victims in this but it doesn't change that anyone who affiliate who?

relied on affiliate revenue and who had it skimmed by honey Was victimized by honey. We were compensated at least partially by a lot of the Yeah, a lot of people that were sponsored by them were which was like the internet at that point in time. Yeah but like Guys And then the karma now thing looked bad Working with them one time. That's that's something that will set out to me quite a bit

Yeah in the video was that it was assessed in its current state Because you obviously can't go back and assess it from the past But that gets tough because you don't know Like what you guys are saying they assured that it didn't work that way you tested it. Okay, cool They can change it on you. They could have changed on you immediately after the sponsor spots went up. Well, yeah, I don't know I don't know. We don't know what happened. I don't know, it was all years ago. Could have happened years later, like who knows. Yeah, Voight says, for me it felt like Honey

was quietly dropped as a sponsor with no messy breakup. Could have been any reason. But as you said, back then you only knew about the affiliate ripping, which isn't too bad, especially for users, yeah, exactly. It's really bad for creators. Yeah. It's really bad for creators. Yeah, it's really bad for creators. But it was also being blasted from the rooftops at that point in time.

Yeah, like, I don't know, maybe Mega Leg is living up to his name. It's like, at that point in time, it's also like not really our story to break. Like if other people are already reporting on it, and it's getting around a lot Yeah, I think it's blowing up so much right now because of the The downsides for users Yeah, I could see that yep Yeah, so Cool moving on yeah positive things So... Cool. Moving on. Yeah. Positive things?

Yeah. Yeah, can we do that? Do you want to talk about the Colin and Samir? No, let's- Maybe 2024? Why don't we talk about RTX 5090? Oh. Because we don't know the price yet. So we can still kind of have fun. Nice.

And we could pretend that like... Anyone will be able to afford an RTX 5090? Do you guys wanna play pretend for a little bit? Sure. Okay, I would like that though. Cool. I still have both kidneys, so I'm good. Nice, nice, not for long, Dan.

Yay! New images have leaked of a populated RTX 5090 PCB and it looks full. Oh my goodness. Wow, that is dense with two S's. That is wild. So there's your allegedly, alleged 32 gigs of GDDR7 rams. There is all the VRMs and then there is all the rest of them

Just look at this thing. Do you have a comparison of the 4090? Do you have both up? I I don't I don't have the 4090 yet. There's a link to it in the dock. Oh is there a link in the dock? Oh incredible Okay, and the 4090 was already a dense mama-jama Because remember the whole like through PCB cooling thing yeah Wow, so that's what that's a 4090 credit to WCCF tech for Posting that I don't know if they're actually the original Poster of it. Oh, here's the blank one. I don't know what it is, but there is something about a blank

unpopulated PCB with just all the pads that just is like Yeah, right like damn Like damn damn you know like damn Don't hang him We're losing it. Yeah, so I slept about three hours So you have some idea like I'm dude. I'm barely. I'm barely functional today so the the the rumors of the 5090 is that it has 21,760 coup de corps compared to the 4090

16384 pretty big jump the memory goes up to 32 gigs Which you would have needed You know beyond 4090 Which almost certainly means it has a 512 bit memory bus which is That combined with going to gddr7 is like what 16 modules of memory power stages 29 versus 40 90s 23 PCB 14 layers For the 40-12 and the MSRP probably too much for all of I don't know dude. I don't know look at this look at this 1599 us I see only three question marks

That to me indicates indicates and they might have typoed We definitely yeah, they might have forgotten a decimal so we could be looking at a single dollar We could be looking at one one dollar as low as one dollar Luke very nice As low as one dollar and zero cents. I think I think it could happen The discussion question is what is your max limit on price, assuming performance is good compared to last gen? Okay, so here's the thing. I think I've talked about this a fair bit, but it bears repeating because Nvidia waits two to three years between releasing GPUs now, so some of you

probably don't remember or weren't around for this, but when I saw the pricing of the 40 series, I made a solemn oath, I swore that I would not upgrade to it. I have kept that promise. My VR machine is still running a launch 3080. My personal rig is still running the 7900 XTX from the Radeon challenge and my like LAN machine in the LAN room is still running a It's a It's a 3080. Yeah, it's a it's an EVGA 3080. So is there a price point?

No, I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I have an EGPU for my ROG Flow X13, 3080. My entire life. 3,000 series enjoyer. Is 3,000 series and below for Nvidia. And then on the, oh yeah, technically, I have one more machine. I have a little, remember those little Asrock mini desktops?

I think so. Yeah, with that, used an MXM module Yes, okay, so I have one of those in my family room upstairs for just like playing casual games on the TV up up there sure 1080 Still still going strong 1080 gang represent So I have no 40 series in my life so with that said So I have no 40 series in my life. So with that said, I'm coming at this

from an alternate angle. I have a different perspective on the 50 series because I've seen a lot of people like flip the math out going, well, this isn't worth it as an upgrade. They're asking way too much money. But my upgrade is from a 3080 class card or a 7900 which is which is not on par with the the 4090 it's more on par with like a 3090 TI yeah right if we're being honest if we're being honest especially if you want to

look at raytrace games then it can even fall down below that and raytracing is now mandatory in some titles yes no that's that that's true not a reader or not to reader well guy tomb raider yeah nostalgia tomb raider yeah yeah donates to a museum tomb raider great-looking game by the way have you played have not great circle yeah okay oh my it's so beautiful nice it looks incredible worth the requirement? Well that More complicated discussion. No more spicy takes this week. More complicated discussion. Yeah So my upgrade is much greater and

My amenability to spending way too much money is much higher because I got Three good years. I skipped a gen. Out of my 3080. Okay. So with- Is there still a limit? I'm afraid to say anything because I really want one. And if I say something- And you want a 4090? You're not gonna do 4080? If I say, if I say, guys, if it's over this price, then I'm gonna skip this generation It's still be on three though, then I'm gonna be stuck on three thousand for another like five more years five total years

Yeah, and then six and then 60 90 nice is gonna arrive It's gonna be like four thousand dollars, and I'm gonna be like and if it's over thirty eight hundred dollars I'm not buying and I'm gonna be like and if it's over $3,800 I'm not buying and I'm gonna be running a 3080 forever Maybe maybe at that point in video or Intel will be so good that you'll be fine That's a lot of years from now 6000 series Massive respect to what Intel has done with Arc Battle Mage. They've got a lot of work. Massive

Massive respect and and and They're catching up to Nvidia in the ways that I think matter more for the future. That makes sense. So they're still when we look at die size to die size comparisons They're behind on raster when we look at performance per watt, dude, they're behind. But when we look at what Intel is doing on the software side, their driver team is doing the work on the tech side. Their AI performance, even though the support for it's not great yet, good. Their ray tracing performance, good.

They're very forward-thinking, which is good. Yes. So all that's great, but let's face it, they are not forward-thinking. Yes. Yes, so so all that's great But let's face it. They are not gonna have a 50 90 competitor. They may not have a 60 90 competitors got a release in an SLI Competitor right enough, and then it just put like four of them in although let them virtualize them We do need a reason for PCIe gen 6 like yeah, let's do it Okay, no no no no no no no no no no but I think for I think at the at mainstream price points I hope Intel is gonna just crush it just Give us a we'll see how rough

5060 coming out is okay, whatever that happens I the the price I've seen rumored is two grand. US. Yeah, that's the price that I've seen rumored, but that goes back far. Like I haven't seen, I, I intentionally don't really follow the rumors that closely in the lead up to a product launch because realistically I'm going to get briefed on it anyway. And that will be the real information anyway right now Isn't that like 2,800 cat yeah more?

It's probably more like 2900 Canadian dollars. Yeah And I think what oh yeah, 2884 what's median? What's median income these days like 38,000 or something like that median income these days like 38,000 or something like that median income? Canadian oh Oh wait is this household median income? Hold on Median income was 41,700 in 2022

Yeah, so Here's my source while wood. See I have no idea how I have no idea how accurate that is or anything But like we are basically we are basically looking at like a tenth of your take home by the time you actually like get Taxed on that and stuff. Yeah The tariffs guys the tariffs wouldn't be from China. They'd be from Taiwan Which ones people are like oh you have to factor in tariffs now. No you we could end up I doubt it but that would only be for the states anyway for Canada I doubt that we would be paying any kind of import tariffs on Chinese exported GPUs. Do you think they're gonna start smuggling GPUs over the board? Yeah, the GPUs themselves are made in Taiwan, but a lot of the card assembly is done in China,

so the finished GPU would probably be subject to any Chinese tariffs, but that's all speculative until after January sometime. So, for the sake of discussion, yeah, 2,000 USD. That's too much. I'm gonna do it. What if it's twenty two hundred? Stop. What? I'm not gonna let you pin me down on this. I'm not gonna, no, I'm not gonna commit to anything. I'm not gonna commit to anything. Is there there you don't have to vocalize it is

There a limit you don't have to tell anyone just in case you want to get out of it or whatever Is there a point where you would be there a soft limit right now? Mmm. I don't want to open my wall because you're gonna like for a context. He's not gonna buy one. No. No I will I'll buy one. Okay. Look if I'm gonna say I accept this madness I Can't just I can't just use my influencer clout to be like To summon one I don't I don't think that's right because I took a principled stand on 40 series I was like this is too expensive. I won't even use it If I'm gonna break that I think I have to pay for it going from

1600 to 2 grand in one generation doesn't deserve a principled stand. Luke? Hahaha! What GPU do you run? Hahaha! I don't want to talk about it. Uh-huh. What is it?

I know what it is. It's pretty good. Yeah? What is it? It's pretty good. Well, if you want to see it, should check out the the line of sectors video On Bulbasaur say I have no problem. I have no problem I have no problem gifting you know a 40 series to someone that that's that's no problem

I didn't need to get involved. I just wouldn't yeah, I just wouldn't buy one I just I wouldn't I wouldn't buy a 40 series and so because I didn't want to hack and just request one then I was Use them yeah, he actually didn't I Mean he did hint to someone or I thought you were bringing up the video I was it was I just didn't know you were doing that let me bring it He did hint to someone that he kind of wanted an upgrade or something. I think or maybe no Idea, I think it was Jake's idea anyway Let me make Or maybe no, I'm actually idea. I think it was Jake's idea anyway

Let me make let me make at risk of being called an advocate for the devil himself Let me make an argument for my $2,000 GPU Okay, okay. I'm gonna find something Because to be fair that's like Really close to the current cost of my current car Yeah, I used to talk about like you know the first car that I bought as a scale for computer parts Now it has to be the one that I drove here today Which is crazy.

You can buy something that literally gets you from A to B instead of something that like digitally gets you from A to B. When I was growing up, a computer setup at Future Shop, okay? Okay. Hold on. See, you know where I'm going with this, but hold on. A computer set up from Future Shop would have probably cost you somewhere in the neighborhood

of $2,500 to $4,400. Okay. Right? That was in like, 1998 dollars. Yeah. And they could have easily gone more. Like easily you could spend five grand on On a computer on a personal computer as they called them back then I

Would make the argument that like TVs PCs in spite of some of the utter Craziness of the last few years have actually beaten inflation You can still get for like $4,000 a computer tower and the fact that it can contain something as powerful as a 4090 actually kind of impressive, kind of cool. It is not that wild to spend three, four, five grand on a PC once every five to six years.

And- It's pretty wild. And, but it's not, it's also not wild. Like it's a thing that when I grew up was normal. Every family- But when tech scales, you don't have to keep spending the same amount. No, you don't, but you also can. And you can get a PC that is vastly more powerful than that 1998 machine for 500 bucks. Yeah.

So you absolutely don't have to. But I also think- Give a cell phone. I also think that for something that is a purchase that you will use for an extended period of time and that you will get much, much much much use out of it is not entirely unreasonable I Don't know if you're gonna get that much use out of it Yeah, that's fair. I don't I don't really get to gain that much

However, I feel like it's like however on your ally however Which of us is further into our playthrough of the pixel remaster of Final Fantasy 6 you or me wait are you playing it? It's on sale. I picked it up. Oh, no. He's gonna be It's not I was gonna play it this week that I had actually a very busy week Speaking of my ally oh boy Where are you at? Well? Let's just see Why don't we just see if you recognize where I am? Because part of the problem is that he quote-unquote doesn't have any time to play games but then you'll see him jump on a game on Steam at like midnight. It's like oh I wonder what he's doing but then you know it's not on his computer that he would have spent all these thousands of dollars on I could stream it

Wrecked on the ally yeah, of course Is there a camera on that what no no not that kind of stream. You're just gonna like oh Like I would you stream the pixel remaster, so I could get like 9000 FPS Don't worry about it Okay, so here's what we're gonna. Do here's we're gonna gonna We're gonna play a little game called. Do I know where you are? Do you recognize where I am? No, all right So you've had it for like a couple days QED All right, well you're going on a trip are you gonna play it on your trip? Yep Where you at are you still at the Imperial

Magitek facility no I'm passing you pass that yeah okay are you at the sealed gate pass that I believe so you've had the banquet no okay so you're probably somewhere somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah, okay. Well. I'm not gonna spoil anything not gonna spoil anything I Will say though that if I feel like treating myself to a nice gaming PC. I think that Unlike some people I can complete a game in a year, so I should be entitled to do that I wanted to do it this holiday. I was so ready for you to tell me I don't game. I was so ready Yeah, I my brother spun up a family holiday Valheim server

Brother my dad sometimes Anna so that took the time that I thought I was gonna spend playing Final Fantasy six That's pretty cool though that seemed fair. I respect it, I respect it. I'm still gonna try to, now that I know you're on the track, I'm still gonna try to get it out. All right. Get it finished pretty quick. All right, let's go, let's go. I've spent a lot of time dinking around doing stuff

I totally don't need to do. I will say this though, the pixel remaster is easy. Oh. Oh, dude. Okay, that makes sense. It is so easy Because I've heard you talk and I've heard a lot of other people talk about like needing to grind a bunch and stuff And and certain fights that you're like, oh, this is really hard and then I went and did it I was like, I don't think I did anything special dude. It was hard. It's like a joke

Okay, it is a difficulty tuned it laughably easy. Okay. Well, it's not just like it's not just difficulty tuned. It's like Certain things were broken in the original game the evade stat literally didn't work. Okay So you like always got hit but would miss a lot and it was real real frustrating also the ability to to just turn off random encounters while you find your way through something. Like, I to this day didn't realize how small some of the dungeons were. Because when you're getting into random encounters every three steps, they feel huge. They feel enormous, like you could never navigate them. That almost feels like some of the difficulty sometimes is the like time between potential rest areas.

So being able to turn that off. Oh dude, and the way the saving works. It has like quick save. Oh. Dude, the game didn't have quick save. You went back to the last like star. Those stars were like, ah, dude, will there be one more random encounter before I get there? Ah! back to the last like star those stars were like

There'd be one more random encounter before I get there like It was a huge deal Hmm and like dude the map definitely been using the map marks the chocobo stables Yeah Well aren't they in the player okay,? No! I don't think so. Hold on, hold on. Final Fantasy 3 included map, North America. I don't think so though. Like you definitely would have been able to get Here, here's one. You definitely would have been able to get like a strategy guide or whatever back in the day. But no. able to get like a like a Strategy guide or whatever back in right yeah but no Yeah, so like so traversing

ground was like Tough yeah if you didn't like have a friend who knew where they were or whatever Right like it was I didn't turn off random encounters. I have never bought a chocobo Oh, you don't you don't have to buy them. Or rent it or whatever. Oh, oh okay. Okay.

You definitely, oh being, oh dude. Being able to walk diagonally. I do that. Huge. Huge, cause that's literally one step. One and a half. One step for two. Yeah.

Oh, what's another big one? Oh yeah, the fact that you have sprint shoes always equipped. You had to use a relic slot to be able to walk fast. And you couldn't walk fast outside of towns. Yeah. So like, hiking was tedious. There's a lot that they've done to make, oh, the explanations for what equipment does and what espers do and stuff has been been I find some of that to still be

Weird has been upgraded but the interface for equipping espers is actually worse. I Did it once and couldn't find it again the next time I went to play the og interface is So much better actually for espers and seeing seeing all the spells they teach and also the The level up stat boosts that they give you. Now part of why it's comically easy for me is that I'm obsessively going in after every random encounter and fine tuning which espers are on my guys

so that I make sure that I get the best level up stats. Oh, I'm definitely not doing that. Yeah, don't do that, don't do that. Because it makes the game comically easy. It also doesn't feel necessary to be honest. Anyway, back to- I've never lost. Really?

Yeah. Oh, I've still managed to lose some, but it might just be cause I'm clowning around. Maybe. You'll lose some stuff. I'm sure. You'll definitely- I've gotten very close a few times.

There was one of the, I think it was more of a mini boss than an actual boss, but I don't know if my scaling was weird for that fight or something, but I found it very hard. I went down to one person at one point, but was able to bring people back up. Are you leveling up all of your characters, or do you just have one main party of four

that you just are going with? There's a couple people that I really try to always have there, but other than that, I'm mostly trying to cycle a little bit. Oh, another big one is Sabin's Blitzes. Like, you had to enter them without any indicator. So you just like, wouldn't find out until he went to execute the action, and he'd be like,

yeah, you input it wrong. And so he does this thing, he'd go forward, and his eyes would flash like he's about to do it, and it would just say incorrect blitz input and he'd go back. Also Kayan, you know how you just pick whatever sword technique you want to use? Yes. He had a timer. So you had to wait.

And if you played like me with active turn battle, so like everything's happening in real time while you're sitting in the menus, If you're waiting for like Quadra Slam for his fourth, you're like waiting and getting like creamed. So there were some big, big difficulty differences. Yeah, like Sabin's in my party all the time. I think he's my like main, I guess, but most other people swap out a little bit. He was less reliable in the original version unless you were like really good at the end

I think I've only ever missed one cuz it displays it. Yeah, you can't screw it up. I was like, oh, yeah I only missed one because I just like fat-fingered a button or something. I was like, oh crap. Yeah, it was yeah Yeah, that's about it. And sometimes you can get unlucky like when the party split up and you recruit shadow Yeah, you know about that. Yeah, there's a there's a random There's an orange and he leaves and he can leave after the first item leave after the first fight once Yeah, he stuck with me for quite a while, and I was like Okay That's cool

Pretty neat good game I'm pretty neat good game Well designed Yeah, if that started after like at least a few fights or something yeah Also, because I've played the game before I know when to like unequip guys because they're gonna like leave so that I've gotten Wrecked by that a couple times. Yeah, we're like a lot of really good things going to one person and they piece for like a while Okay, yeah, well now when they come back those things like a while. Okay. Yeah. Now when they come back, those things aren't very good anymore. Yeah. And the cell rates is pretty rough. I don't actually know what it is, but it's pretty rough. So 50 90. Right. I'm going to

buy one to play Final Fantasy six on your ally to play whatever to play, to play whatever I want to play, to play. And over at least five years ago on your PC dude. I just got a 4k 240 Hertz 27 inch It supports DP one point two point one wait I didn't get anything I'm not talking about anything But if you did get something in the future there'd be a video about it for sure and you'd want to make sure that you Had something powerful to run it. I guess yes Just in case because those potential resolution and frame rates that would be really tough just yeah

Yeah, you can say who it's from yeah, that's true actually yeah. Yeah, that helps quite a bit Cool anyway Apparently it's got a single 12 volt 2x6 power connector which replaces 12 volt high power shorter sensor pins longer conductor terminals okay or hear me out Nvidia PCIe 8 pin just put a bunch of them on like we used to you know what forget it actually it's bad idea all right what are we supposed to be talking about? Explain merch messages. Yes, a few of you have found them already, I assume. Dan, how's the merch messages going over there?

They're pretty good, I'm keeping up just fine. Really? Okay, well, we haven't really talked, for anyone who doesn't know about it yet, about the deal we have running on the all new Commuter Backpack! It's here, let's go! Yeah. You've looked at it already, right?

I have one. Oh, you have one? How do you like it? It's very nice. I immediately, I traditionally walked around with the power connector and laptop just like loose around work and now it's my like my work backpack which is nice. Let's go. This is it folks, the Comm commuter bag, it is selling like billio. People are absolutely loving this thing. I've got a fully loaded one here.

We're gonna switch to the Linus. Okay, we're maybe gonna have to adjust this at some point because I, oh, just hit my mic. Yeah, holding it on this side with the mic is very challenging. Anyway, it on this side with the mic is very challenging anyway It's got two water bottle holders. They are the same size both of them No, it's okay. We have two water bottle holders so you can use one for your umbrella one for your water bottle Whatever you like we've got our pouch of holding. Oh my goodness. I'm dying

Yeah, I'd be fine, but I got some tennis elbow, so my arm is in a lot of pain. Okay, yeah, yeah, if you just wanted to finish on doing the zipper, that'd be great. There we go. So it comes all the way down. Put your mouse in there, put your tech sack in there, put your notepad in there, your SSD in there, your pen, your screwdriver, of course, with our classic zippered screwdriver pocket in case you drop a bit or something like that in the bottom. We wanna make sure you guys are able to get that out.

We've got a sunglass holder in the top, a sunglass poach right in there. Get your sunglasses in there. And then of course, it's tech forward, zips all the way down so you can reach all your good stuff. We have two spots for battery banks or even gigantic power bricks and cables and then a tablet slot as well as a laptop slot

and another zippered pouch there. Oh, and the best part, and the part that has got people losing their minds is, I saw a lot of pricing speculation with people saying like, yeah, 150, 150, that'd be like sick. 150 would be great, but I'm afraid to hope for it because this is all the same quality materials as the original bag, YKK zippers, reprieve fabric,

made of recycled water bottles, all that good stuff. But we did it, 150, and for a limited time only, and I really do mean limited time only it is $30 off It is 120 if you buy it through YouTube shopping. Oh I just want to give you guys a little update here Hold on I'm just gonna refresh the thing So I already told people on the WAN show before, someone says I missed the YouTube deal, sad. No you didn't, the YouTube deal is active.

It's active now. I told you guys before, it's limited to 1,700 units. So far, and Luke can verify this, because apparently I'm a big liar in a scumbag, if you believe all of the recent scandals or whatever We're at 12,000. Yeah 635 units so we still have what does that work out to? 4400 units at the discounted price

It is possible It is possible that they will not make it through the weekend. So if you guys want to pick one up, the discount is through YouTube shopping. What? Those numbers make no sense. Oh, 17,000. We have 17,000. Oh, do you say 1700?

My bad. Okay. Well, I mean, I'm a big liar, so that's probably it. So we have 4,400 more discounts. You buy it through YouTube Shopping, which Dan, is it set up on Wanshow today? It should be pinned. I've seen some stuff that you might have to disable ad blocker for it to show up if you are using one.

That makes sense. One thing that I'm finding as well, so you have to click on the little product. Okay, so I'll go to my laptop. you have to click on the little product. Okay, so I'll go to my laptop. You have to click on this thing. And then when it goes to the store, it's not gonna show the discount immediately. So you have to add it to your cart.

It shows the full price. You have to add it to, because it's YouTube's discount, whatever. You have to add it to your cart. And then in your cart, you'll see it. Boom. Someone says WTF, not on floatplane. That's because the money, the $30 is not from us. So when your payment goes through, YouTube kicks in $30. We are getting $150.

But to promote YouTube shopping, Google is sort of co-launching this product with us, an extremely, extremely generous offer. We would be charging $149.99, and we're gonna keep selling this backpack for years, at $149.99, and based on the reactions that people had to the original price when we announced it, that's gonna do great, and it's gonna go gangbusters for us,

for everyone who doesn't see this message right now. But Google is pitching in 30 US dollars. So you could see that, oh. I will not talk in any more detail about anything. Cool, anyway, buy it through YouTube Chopping, $1.99. Oh no, what did I miss? I don't know, I got like four messages from Nick, he just says stop talking, so I'm good. It's technically 120.00.

Got him. Linus is a liar again. Yeah. Confirmed. Unethical. Why are you hiding the rest of the zeros from us? Free the floats! Anyway, the point is we love YouTube shopping. And we love our Google overlords. I don't think they love us right now. I don't know, maybe they won't notice.

Okay, well that's a merch message. Would you like me to read you one before you do the analysis? Oh yeah, we should explain merge messages. So while you're checking out on the store, you can leave a merge message. If you just put something in your cart, you'll get a little box. Hey, there you go. And you can send a merge message. Producer Dan, who looks like this, and is in the dark today. We couldn't afford power over Christmas.

Christmas was, we had too many Christmas lights running. We couldn't afford any lights for Dan Lake dried up. Anyway, it'll go to producer Dan who will pop your message up here or give you a response or Curate it for me and Luke to respond to on the show. Dan. Do you want to show us how it works? Sure Hi LDL looking at where Luke is today, what do you guys think about lying on your resume? I'm looking for a new job and want to know what you guys think. Keep up the good work. Well, being an unethical liar, I would say

lie as hard as you can, as much as you can. I wouldn't advise it. Lie as hard as you can, as much as you can. I wouldn't advise it. By the time Luke, first of all, Luke faked it till he made it. Yeah, that part's pretty important. He did manage to successfully perform the job functions as expected, even though he did not have the experience that he claimed to have when he came into it, he figured it out.

So you're gonna have to be ready to do that. And by the time he got busted, or rather admitted it to me, it was in a an as friends conversation as friends, and I was like, oh you. Also, this is far from the worst you've done at this point. So I believe that. So this is far from the worst you've done at this point, so I believe that. That sounds about right. It's not, it's not a good way to kick off a relationship though. Yes. And I wouldn't advise you to try it.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. I've also like, I've had a not insignificant. I kind of wish I never said it on camera not because I don't mind owning it But because people have like taken it as like a haha. I'll do this to him It'll be funny And I've caught a bunch of people doing it and then I'm like well

I can't like this isn't that doesn't work Yeah, if you get so it's one of those things where it's like, big bet, big reward, big downside. Yeah. Right? Bet big, you either win big or lose big. Because if we don't catch you, maybe you get the job. If we catch you, you will almost certainly be removed from any consideration. Yeah, and a lot of the, a lot of the positions have like, technically the one that I did had a form of testing as well, but a lot of the positions here have some form of testing, or like a trial period or something like that.

Yeah, my interview process for him was a three hour vibe check, so. And we filmed something. In fairness, filming stuff back then was as simple as like, can you make sure that the correct object? So just do this dude with that said though. You'd be surprised at how many people fucked that up. They just couldn't They just like couldn't I'd be like because like for you. It's obvious right if I'm like You know Google's had an amazing year this year

They've come out with this and they've come out with that and what I really want to show you is this and I look at... okay so to him that's obvious. You wouldn't believe the number of people who just stayed on me while I was literally not even looking in the lens and I'm like talking about this thing in my hand and I'm like... this, this, for the love of God, this! there was no second take back then Especially because a lot of it legitimately was taking the thing out of the box and in many cases that was breaking seals So like there there was no second take yeah ZMBT says Luke Luke's problem was he just focused the camera on the road That's a good reference. Yeah, that's a quality reference

Man Anyways, yeah, don't yeah, don't do that. Yeah Dear Duke, Dan hold on by East one says there is no second take because there's only one tape There were times we cheated. Oh Second take because there's only one tape there were times we cheated oh Yeah, something went catastrophically wrong. We would turn the box around yeah and break the seal on the other side for sure Yeah, it's just you don't aim to do that. Yeah, that's supposed to be like a really really like Last solution type situation. Do you want to show? Lieutenant beefy where YouTube shop is really quick one more time

There's a few people that are having trouble finding it if you are having trouble finding it So it's it's on the six months ago. I tease you with this LTD store commuter back. That is not a great still frame If you're having trouble seeing this little block right here It's probably something to do with ad blocking or tracking blocking or something like that. Some type of add-on you have or potentially your browser, but you're probably running Chrome, so it's probably fine.

Should be on this WAN show as well. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. That's cool. Should be pinned in this WAN show. I sure hope so. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. There it is.

Cool. Okay, so that's how you do it. And then that should bring it, yeah, right here. And then again, when you get to this page, it's not gonna actually show it lower. You have to add it to your cart, and then in the cart, it will be discounted. Cool beans.

There you go. Okay. One more? Yeah, yeah, sure. Hit me with the merch message. Dear Duke and Dan and vertically challenged superstar. What? Sorry, one sec.

Some people are finding that it's a geo fence to a certain degree. So they have to VPN around to get it. I wonder if that is a YouTube thing. I don't know. Could be. Yeah, it could be limited. I don't know anything about that.

It's a YouTube shopping promo. So we do not have any control over what regions YouTube shopping is able to operate in. And hey, it's still a great bag at 150. Yeah, yeah, true. Our notes say here you may need to disable your ad blocker or VPN if you don't see the tagged product. So yeah, I think it is geo-offensed.

Or enable your VPN. No, I didn't say that. Dot, dot, dot, dot. Private access! No, do we have a private internet access link? Ah, coincidentally, Dan. If we have... P.I.A. It's a service that we've talked about a lot that I've used for many, many years now.

Yeah. And, you know, just sometimes you run into situations where you need to access a thing as though the thing is from some other thing. I have no idea if it'll work on this. I legitimately don't know. Check if you're getting scams amd on flight prices Like I've run into times when Even using a VPN was was not good enough like when I tried to buy a valve index man They got that they got that locked. They had that locked down I had to get someone from America with an American credit card from an American bank

To buy that thing for me and send it up to me God bless America have you ever had the scenario where you get cheaper flights Amazing These gosh darn 4090s Anyways Have you had the flight prices thing work? I have I've had people tell me that's a that's debunked. It's debunked, but I'm like, I don't know what to tell you We literally did a video about it was theoretically debunked or not. I there was recently I thought it was working and then we figured out that it was Canadian versus USD but they didn't show any differentiation. Oh interesting Yeah

Anyways southern Linus and the Luke's of a Seven in float plane chat, that's pretty good All right I'm gonna take PK7 and float plane chat, that's pretty good. 10 out of 10, nicely done. Alright, Dan why don't you hit us with one more. I'm trying. Oh wait, have you not done it yet? No. Well, get on with it man. What is the jankiest solution or fix ever suggested

for something that everyone said no to and looking back how bad it would have really been? Oh man. Everyone said no to. And it was worse than expected. The jankiest fix. Most of the terrible janky fix solutions, I've just done them. Yeah and they mostly work. Yeah. Like I don't know if we've been burned that badly. Like, I- Yeah, to be honest. Oh, um, um, the, the, the air fiber link between here and Creator Warehouse went out sometimes. Okay.

But I think what we determined was the problem was that they were too close. Oh. No, they were too close to the roofs. Oh, was it that? I thought they were too close to each other. Oh, I mean- And they were designed for like a higher power or something like that. Might have changed, but I think there was some reflections for them being, like they're supposed to be on a post. We like, glued them to the ground.

The swimming pool water cooling works though. Yeah, well it does now. After that fitting like corroded away and it leaked all over everything. I don't think that was like the concept. Yeah, it's also not that janky. It's actually pretty good. Yeah. Um... And it leaked all over everything. I don't think that was like the concept. Yeah, it's also not that janky It's actually pretty good. Yeah And it's like a thing. Oh The oh this one was funny. So the the roof solar that's supposed to contribute to heating the pool That one doesn't work at all. Oh because they filled it and I forgot that they told me they filled it But they didn't glycol it. So last winter

Everything blew up and it has to be like completely replumbed. Yeah, and I didn't glycol it. So, last winter, everything blew up. And it has to be like completely replumbed. And I haven't gotten around to it. Yeah. Yeah. So that one, that one was bad. Speaking of which, how's the bike going? Ugh. Your bike is my Final Fantasy 6. I made progress. Oh, okay. I made progress actually.

While I was off, I I reset up everything. I added a second intake fan, so I have better positive pressure. So I was getting a little bit of dust on some of the previous parts. I remixed my primer, which had settled into water and mud

and took probably about 10, 15 minutes. So with the drill powered paint mixer to get going again. I redid my hangers for the wheels because the ones I was using before made them kind of hard to maneuver. So I made new ones out of like chopsticks and then aircraft wire and then like another chopstick

so that instead of coming down like this, it comes down like this now. So it's a little bit easier to handle. So no, I actually spent a few hours on it over the last being off this week. I'm getting it going again. I got a space heater for the booth so that it won't get too low.

I got that set up and made sure everything's good to go. So I'm actually good to get going again. Nice. I got this. Do a stream where Linus paints his bike and Luke plays Final Fantasy 6 first to finish wins. That's not a horrible idea. It's actually not a terrible idea.

That'd probably be pretty fun, actually. I mean, you guys could just hang out in the shop together and, you know, Luke plays it on an ally or something. Yeah, there's a lot of multi-content style streaming that's happening these days. And like, even just multi-content content. You look at the shorts with the whatever racer thing going on while they talk about something else. Subway Surfers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Here's the problem though. These are projects that neither Luke nor I individually have managed to work on. Assuming that we are going to somehow align the stars so we can be in the same place at the same time doing It at the same time. I mean oh Yeah, well come on pause come on Get your mind out of the gutter it likes it there. It's comfortable familiar It's comfortable. Familiar. Oh man. I didn't actually watch the video. Did they cut out my uh, did they cut out?

All right. No, you know, never mind. If they cut it out, then I'll leave it cut out. Uh, okay What are we supposed to be doing? Cool Um the uh The LTT Commuter Backpack announcement, is that different than what we did for the Merch Messages callout? I don't think so. Okay. They just have cute links.

If you go to LMG.gg slash discount please, then it will take you to the store and then when you add it to the cart it will automatically be applied. So if you're having trouble, LMG.gg slash discount, please that brings you to the youtube video. Oh Cool. All right. Slide again. See you later Bad guy and it's kind of however you want to spell it, please full word Plz pls both of those words bad guy three of those. Um, all right Um, I had a lot of fun hanging out with Colin Smear. Yeah.

It was good. Yeah. The video went up. It's funny. I just, I felt like, I don't know, I felt like they did a really good job. They just kind of, man, the dossier they had on me. Yeah.

I don't think that made it into the cut, but they had like a book this thick on me. I don't think that made it into the cut, but they had like a book this thick on me. It included everything from like AI summaries that were full of mistakes to like a printout of the Wikipedia, which I think might also have some mistakes on it. But they also had like past sort of times I've addressed stuff or stories that I've told

on like WAN shows that they had all these citations. They had a whole, clearly they have someone who, or either they do it or someone on their team does it where they go through and they have a whole background check process for guests on their show. Which makes me all the more surprised that they decided to host me me given how controversial I am.

It was actually really interesting reading through both that and assumptions. Yeah. Reading through sort of like the audience questions and then in the case of Colin and Samir, the questions beforehand compared to the comments on the video itself. Like it's... I noticed that too. It is a stark difference. It really is. What the like terminal, terminally online commenters want to talk about versus what people who actually watch a video care about. No relation to each other whatsoever. Anyway, it was a lot of fun.

I was very surprised to see the final cut and that it was like two hours long because we only sat down for a little over two hours. Like I don't think they ultimately cut that much out of it. I think Colton had asked to have a look at it, but I never had a look at the cut before they uploaded it. I skipped through parts of it. It's obviously, it's long.

I don't think you need to watch it. You literally watch, you live through, you survive. Sorry, I keep changing the language here to better reflect the situation. The WAN show every week, so I don't think language here to better reflect the situation the WAN show every week So I don't think you need to yeah And you were you were there for a lot of the stories that I was telling so there really isn't I don't I just wanted to see like what the vibe was basically

That that was all I was really doing and it seemed pretty good. I didn't sleep well the night before I'll tell you that much You seemed fairly relaxed though. I was trying to be? Yeah. I mean, I don't know, it's like... Like I thought that was pretty good. Like we wanted a chance to kind of talk to an audience other than just our own audience. That's why we went down and did it in their studio and why we went down and did Assumptions as well. I think that for a while I've been a bit of a shut-in. There's been some exceptions lately. We've done some fun collabs with Mighty Car Mods.

But I've never really done the interview circuit or anything like that. It was very generous of Ludwig to invite me to the yard, but I've never really gone out and been like, hey, do you need a guest for your show before that I can remember? And it was fun, actually.

Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. It was cool to see how many people in our audience caught that the collab was coming when we shot our arc battle mage video in their studio Oh Yeah, because like their audience obviously knew because they posted ahead of time Hey, do you have any questions for linus? Which by the way as far as I can tell they completely ignored because they had their own questions ready

And I read through the questions that people asked on twitter and stuff. I was like, I don't remember seeing any of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, but yeah, I was, cause I've watched some of their content before to sort of like, I don't know, I think it's, they actually do some really interesting stuff. Well, yeah, they're, they're like the creators. YouTube metagame. About creators for creators channel. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, I've watched quite a bit of this stuff and something that I've I've noticed is that people tend to be pretty relaxed and pretty open and I was like, okay is Linus gonna go like presenter style like will you have come off just filming something an hour before because that's normal and be like in like

Presenter mode and then no like you were you were kind of chilling, having an open conversation. So I thought it was good. I think it was good that Colton and I went together. Because we talked for like four hours on the flight down there. So maybe I was just in like chill chatting about the business mode because realistically, both of us are the kind of people that just never turn off.

So we literally talked for like four hours on the flight down there, didn't shut up the whole time. I'm sorry to anyone who was on that flight from YVR to LAX, my apologies. Someone's saying I should go on Joe Rogan. I've had that suggested before. A, I've never been invited. B, I don't know what we'd talk about.

I literally have no idea because I find, I am very knowledgeable about a niche that as far as I can tell, almost no one cares about, which is like tech YouTube, because a lot of what I know is not even necessarily applicable to non, like non-tech or non- at least tangentially related like science or you know education YouTube or like you could kind of find ones that are like kind of similar where you're trying to present information and also make it entertaining or whatever

else. Yeah next topic. Yeah Next topic Yeah, scrappy DP says he doesn't know who you are a hundred percent He has absolutely no idea who I am. I don't think I've ever seen him operate a computer so I Think his I think his producer at some point or something talked about the screwdriver though. Redban is not his producer, but has worked with him in the past and definitely knows who we are for sure. He's like the...

What is the... Kill Tony. Oh, okay, okay, okay. That's the one I'm thinking about. Yep. But I think he used to work with Joe Rogan in the in the way past or something. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Yeah, red bands wore it. Like he's had like, I think he's talked with ScooterBor, he's worn a an LTX sweater on one of the Kill Tonys in the past.

Cool. Yeah, so he's definitely been around also. I think I don't remember Yes, this would be before you were doing YouTube stuff but I thought Joe Rogan was really into like quake I've heard that and Doing land stuff back in the day. I don't know that would have had to be like a thousand All right

Melody bun there is no risk of me going on Rogan. They're begging me not to go on It's like I have not been invited. He literally doesn't know who I am. It's fine. Just chill. Linus, do you think a gorilla could play badminton? Sorry, what? You know, like a gorilla, they're pretty strong and fast. What do you think? Are you saying I should play Joe Rogan in badminton?

No, no, no, no. Like a gorilla. Do you think that could play badminton? He's trying to be Joe Rogan. I'm prepping you for your interview. I've never watched the Rogan experience. I've seen the occasional clip here and there. Like, are those the kind of questions he asks? I don't know, I don't, I've seen clips like that. There's like a meme that all his interviews

turn into him talking about like, what if this was a giant scary animal? And could you like take it on? So it doesn't matter that you're a tech youtuber you won't be talking about that I see it's like that I think the whole thing is like yeah like could you fight a bear slash have you done DMT before that's the meme I think it's DMT I was gonna I was gonna mention that it didn't drug. Okay, what is it though? dimethyltryptamine As a strong psychedelic drug.

Well, yeah, I mean obviously But like what's its well, what's its colloquial name? DMT. Wann versus Joe Rogan in a cage that would end poorly. Yeah He might be old but he's still a lot bigger than me anyway. He's gonna do one of those spinny kicks and send us into orbit Dimitri and Fantasia

Schedule one controlled substance in the United States blah blah blah blah blah blah, okay, okay, so it's just called by other names It's called DMT. Yeah Okay, well I mean now I know about that So if I ever get into my when I yeah when I start my hookers and blow arc then I'll go I'll have another DMT and bears I would work in Vancouver. I'll tell you that Please tell me the bear thing was intentional That's a- that's a- uh... Hahahaha Hahahaha Hahahaha Please tell me the bear thing was intentional

Hahahaha Hahahaha I'm sorry. I'm gonna shut up now. Oh man. I mean, I feel like I'm overdue for a real scandal, you know? Like I feel like- I feel like to put in con- to put things in context, I need to like, like run over some orphans real scandal, you know, like I feel like I feel like to put in con to put things in context I need to like like run over some orphans or something, you know, because then Me now me not talking about you know a sponsor that we haven't worked with in three years

Will be just People will be able to put it in the correct context, you know, yeah, like come on. Tell me tell me what what what scandal Do you guys want you want like a good one? No, yeah, you know Don't over orphans give me something you know speeding come on I mean that that was another that was another funny one to me just cuz like The fact that every other car youtuber does blur their speedo Does that make what they're doing like any the fact that they successfully blur their speedo does that make it like better? Like I'm not saying that it's a good thing to do that you should just rip around on public roads

Wasn't he in a school zone? He was there was a I didn't really there was a children at He was, there was a, I didn't really. There was a children at play sign of some sort, but I don't think there's any concrete evidence that it was in effect. It may have been time delimited. Got it, okay. Like, dude, there was that Scrapyard Wars

when I was literally texting while driving in Scrapyard Wars. I'm not saying that's good and you shouldn't do that. It was a different time for real. And that's not a good excuse, like distracted driving is terrible. I'm just saying that like, it was interesting to watch how eager people were

to like nail Marquez to the cross for that one and I'm not saying what he did was right and the timing sucked. I think coming right on the heels of the um I think that's most of it to be honest yeah I don't know I feel like a lot of what's gone on with us has been blood in the water. Has been a significant amount of residual anger that goes all the way back to Adblock is piracy. Yeah, probably. I think that was our first thing where people felt like personally attacked, even though I never said don't do it.

And there's a certain degree that you get to, I've had this conversation with a few people. There's a certain degree that you get to when it is people. There's a certain degree that you get to when it is encouraged and cheered on by the community to attack a person or a group of people. So it ends up being like the safe route. Like I think I can think of one particular point in time where it was the safe route to throw at us with everything you could. Oh yeah, 100%. So like it was the safe route to throw at us with everything you could. Oh yeah, 100%. Anything else would have gotten you destroyed, even if you said nothing. Even if you said nothing. You would have looked like you're evil or something.

So then, and that residuals for a long time. I don't think it goes away. Potentially ever, yeah. I'm not convinced it goes away. Okay, so hold on a second, hold on a second. We've got suggestions though though We've got suggestions for a proper scandal Okay, hmm interesting Linus is actually six foot five Lied the whole time that's good. Nice. That's good. Dracchus asks. How were the diddy parties? Dude, if you think I am anywhere near cool enough to be invited to a music industry party please Again Joe Rogan doesn't know

Remember when we talked recently I'm not trying to say he's associated to did he just before people freak out It's already starting. Oh, no. It was not my point at all Remember when we were talking recently about like celebrities that I've met and I couldn't I couldn't think of any yeah Yeah, like even Seth Curry the the like the lesser curry still great still great NBA player I don't watch I don't watch basketball, but still, my understanding, I looked at his stats. I creeped the stats and they were good. Still great, but like, I haven't met anybody.

I don't know anybody, I don't. Wait, the Lesser Curry? Who's the greater curry? Steph. Yeah, they had two kids. They named them Steph and Seth. Wow. Yeah.

Good thinking. I don't watch, I thought they were the same person. No, not even okay. Yeah, not even Yeah, I'm at dead mouse I Mean Joel's kind of niche famous too, though I think so like he's like if you're into EDM now I think so and you don't know who dead mouse is you're like Like a cultural moron basically, but if you're not into EDM and you don't know who deadmau5 is like yeah Like he had like one song on the radio like let's be real

And I think in our age bracket and Pretty much everybody knew I think. Pretty much everybody knew but outside of that, please. Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah, come on Yeah, and Joel's super cool cool nothing nothing against him or anything, but when when you talk like like famous famous I mean, I did meet Paris Hilton Okay, I was in the same room and I need her were you in the same room? I complained about her. Did you meet her were you complaining about her in the same room? She uploaded that Christmas video of her naked Were you complaining about her in the same room?

She uploaded that Christmas video of her naked So I would say that I I would say that I've actually seen more of her than most people in my life That is not that is a hmm wow That is a very positively parasocial thing for everyone that enjoys only fans. I think All the only fans enjoyers are like yeah know them. I've seen a lot of them. She's disrupting the market. If Joe Rogan did know who you were and invited you, would you go on? I think I would probably leave it to the management team.

I think it would be fine. Well, then you feel free to cast your vote, but I don't think I'd weigh in on that I think that's I think that's something I'd let the team decide because that way I get plausible deniability I can just be like yeah the executive team sent me here. I just work here Because I really honestly don't fairly true. I don't really have an opinion. I've I've seen clips like I said I've come across the odd clip I've never actually like sat through an entire podcast, but I've seen clips here and there that make it look like a very very stupid thing but I've also seen clips that seem to have intelligent people and some semblance of like a coherent

Intellectual conversation, so I don't really know what to make of it. Yeah, I Don't know. I just think things like that like Yeah, if you keep your head about you like whatever I don't know it's just talking Man we discover Linus pays people to play games for him That could be that could be something now. There's the- To play games? You guys got nothing. You guys got nothing. Badminton Center is a drug front? Oh, that's not bad. That's pretty good. Yeah. There's, there's, there's shipping bays on the back. Shuttlecocks more like mule penises. Like mules? Like for drugs. Yeah. I don't know okay All right, yeah, and they're big so lots of drugs big mule penis drugs. I don't know

Like aphrodisiacs. I don't know the lingo okay. I think it's panda Um ah man What else we got here shuttlecocks you could have a cock fighting ring. Ah man, even in the flow plane, it's amazing how many people actually believe some of the stuff that is just not true at all. Someone said someone committed suicide because of you,

that's not true at all. That is absolutely false. I have personally verified, but that is absolutely false I have personally verified but that is absolutely false yeah and it's just it's it's so bizarre the way that someone can say something about you online and it becomes and it becomes canon in some people's heads and you can never reach a hundred percent of them you can never reach a hundred percent of them again Luke is actually allergic to chicken and rice oh that would throw off my whole worldview

what does it mean maybe his allergy is that it engorges certain parts of his body oh no which would actually work out great given what he cooks his famous chicken for. For his 100% success chicken rate. That could be that could be quite convenient. Winner winner chicken dinner indeed. I love that your mom watches the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, very good Okay talking of a Luke's private parts do you want to do sponsors yeah sure Luke's privates are brought to you by

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All right. What are we supposed to be doing, Dan? I think we should do some more topics to save all of the night. Sure. I like this one. 2024 was a year. Yes, it was.

What were your favorite moments? We asked the writers, what were your favorite videos that you worked on this year? Oh, this is fun. Okay, Luke, do you mind clicking them so that I can like switch over to your laptop or something like that? Yep.

First up is David with his console tier list. clicking them so that I can like switch over to your laptop or something like that. Yep. First up is David with his console tier list. Perhaps the most high effort tier list video ever made says David, the Cleopatra of the tier list format. Can you tell the guy writes for a living? David says, I loved making this video because it fell outside of our comfort zone. I especially liked the challenge of coming up with visuals for the longer storytelling bits like the paper puppet show during the Sony intro

or the CRT-A role during the Sega bit. Only video game, Dunkey, has a more popular consulteer list. I am very proud of how this one turned out. Yeah, this one has been a slow burn. Out of the gate, it actually did not perform very well for us, but over time, it has, oh, it's cranking. Very clickable.

Yeah, it's doing great. And you can see that like to view ratio, very solid. Very solid. The team outdid themselves on this one. It was an extremely high effort video and it's long. Like putting together a high effort edit like this for a 10 minute video, that's that's a lot of work. Putting it together for a 30 minute video and it never it it never slows down. Like the the the the quality of this video is just outstanding. They did a really good job.

I think it's pretty interesting that the highest replay spike is not the final tier list. I think it's cuz everyone just like- The final tier list is a high spike but not the highest replay spike is not the final tier list. I think it's because everyone just like final tier list is a high spike, but not the highest. I think everyone just kind of knows like it's PlayStation. Yeah. And there was some really like interesting stuff like this this bit. Even though a lot of people know the the history there. David did a great job of providing a really excellent and fast summary. Yeah, for sure. All right. Next up, we've got Adam. I built the world's biggest gaming TV. I can't believe Linus took this down to build a stupid badminton center. We were there to like 1am and it was worth it was worth every minute you got that one up yet. Yeah

This was legitimately an unforgettable experience Unforgettable Dan was there Dan wasn't even working Unforgettable. Dan was there. Dan wasn't even working. No one told me I would have been there. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. Yeah, they called me like four hours late. I think I arrived at like 11 p.m. Yeah, absolutely worth it. It's hard to even get a sense of the scale of it. Like it's it's enormous bonkers. So cool, though. And like what even just watching Dan play flight sim on it. You played flight sim. Yeah, I mean, I said at the time,

it felt more immersive to me than VR. Just because of like- Oh, unlimited FOV. Yeah. Look there, Ian. Oh yeah, you were driving the car. The car was bigger than a real wild like you can see the couch Yeah, wow

Like dude So cool, that's nuts those walls are 35 feet tall I think 32 32. Yeah. Yeah, and like the fact that we lucked out and it was actually slightly over 2,000 inches. So we got to meme on Frank's 2,000 inch TV. Yeah. Oh, I loved it. Man, this is this is amazing because I didn't even remember either of those.

Our writing team and our editors work on a lot of videos. I work on, okay, how many writers we got? One, two, three, four, five, six. I'm gonna also count myself seven because I do write videos from time to time. So I literally work on six to seven times as many videos as them so there are things that I just And all the streams blank on I I didn't remember that either of those were this year We we do those were this year. Yeah, it feels like they were longer ago. Do we do cool stuff?

Oh, yeah, we like actually very awesome stuff. Yeah crying out loud. Yeah, um ploof says his favorite no way No way is Working on it this one got it. Oh Wrong one. I have two weeks to file a dispute for this camp TV Okay, it is the hardest that I think I have ever seen ploof laugh in the years that we have been working together So you got to skip forward is probably going to be a view spike Forward forward way forward look for the big one at the end. This is probably it. That's got to be it So there's a point here where he realizes

Wait for it that's inside the glass by the way. Yeah. Oh, he realizes That the only person he knows who's stupid enough to get ripped off by this thing is sitting right next to him Have you ever seen a man so happy? Have you ever seen a man so happy? Oh man. Oh dude. No acting could ever be that pure and that genuine. The mirth. The mirth that this man felt. So he says, uh, he says, just like Jake T Tyvey, I enjoy wasting Linus's money.

Also, apparently once the refund was finally gonna happen, support ghosted us. Did we not get a refund? You know, we've had to dial back the like references to like wasting my money and stuff in videos because people get so hung up on it they're like oh line is flexing his money again or like it's not even his money is the company's money is just it like like people get so mad about it what they don't understand is I don't write I don't write that into the videos the team writes that into the videos they think it's funny like I what what do you? And so I have to sit there and tell them Yeah, this thing that you enjoy and you think is like genuinely funny to me mine

Because people will get upset on behalf of the team will be like yeah Linus flexing his money in front of his team that can't afford this but they're Chinese TV or whatever, but they're the ones who love it Want to love it? All right, what else we got oh, yeah, oh yeah Alex obviously was gonna pick this one the mighty car mods collab Coincidentally ploops least favorite video Ploof says not my least favorite, but I do wish you all had like one extra day Thanks customs for delaying the engine because it took a while for them to actually get it driving ready for it It was sitting in 105 for like the next couple weeks. Oh wow this is such a great moment for the that was pretty cool So awesome having them all in the engine bay there a little bit

I have a response from ploof here about the TV. Oh, oh, what'd he say? Let's see, let's see. Wow, Ploof with the game sense to message the producer rather than messaging me. I think that's a first for WAN show. No, I messaged Ploof. Oh, alright then. That's my W. Nice.

Or we can both take the Ls, I don't know. We'll share. I like sharing Ls. Two Ls. Yeah. They make a W. Let's see. AliExpress is offering a partial refund, but not telling me the amount. I said I either want to return it or get a full refund.

They closed the case. Oh. Okay, case closed then, I guess. Yeah, let's see Visa. Visa, they reached out to Visa Basically both TVs are lumped in the same purchase and AliExpress They've appealed five times so they've appealed the chargeback you have You've purchased two TVs No way, I should be able to get my money back What's the point of charge back if I can order the wrong thing and they just get to be like, yeah, it's a Chinese inch What's a Chinese inch? Wait, did they say that? Yeah

They said yeah, our inches are different from your inches. Oh, no, I think the visa is a separate thing. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay All right. Well, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out If it says if it makes you feel better the video did get three to five million views What's three to five million? You know, Ploof does have access to this dashboard. Did he say that or are you are you saying that? That's what that's what oh my god. This is real What's up? Okay, so yes, that's true, but the TV then should be bigger, not smaller. Oh, right. Yeah.

So we measured it every possible way. And also there's multiple Chinese inches. And Andy talked us through it. So we measured it, if it was centimeters, it's not not right if it was Chinese inches. It's not right and if it was regular inches. It's not right. It's just Completely invented like it's it's nothing to do with anything on any measuring tape Anyway, okay Anyway, okay. Alright, let's keep going. Elijah!

Really? Huh. Uh, add. Yeah, if only there was some way to, because you know that we're gonna do the next thing, cue up the- okay, it doesn't matter. The point is, his favorite was, why did you make me build this? The CEO PC build.

This was his second time water cooling. He was apparently super nervous. PS, when are we selling the poster? The video hit 100,000 likes. Okay, so there's a poster at the end, if you go to Taron's office. Yeah, just anywhere in his office so that poster I

Think I think we are going forward with it. I don't think it's gonna be that big But yeah, you guys did you did reach a hundred thousand likes so there's no real avoiding that at this point hundred thousand likes so there's no real avoiding that at this point. Pope. He was able to get rid of the chair which is great he still has to use I think he still has the keyboard? He still has the computer. And the computer which is loud and annoying. That's not my problem. So that sounds like that sounds like a CEO issue. If it reduces the performance of your CEO. Poster soon probably in January. Really? This is from Nick Light. Yeah, I forgot like it's during the workday today. There will be an option to buy the big one. Yeah, that's why I reached out. No way. No way the- oh my gosh.

Okay, um, I responded to this. I didn't realize that it was a segment for WAN show. I said I love all my videos equally. That's like asking me to pick my favorite child. He actually put a screenshot of that from teams in there But I really enjoyed the 3d home theater video even if no one else cared about it It was pretty cool to to put together like a true cinema grade passive 3d setup the number of people that provided Advice to me on how I could have done it better or cheaper by using active shutter glasses or whatever, it's like, bro, I followed 3D pretty closely.

I am aware of fucking shutter glasses. I did it this way because I wanted passive 3D with glass optics. I have never seen anything as I wanted passive 3D with glass optics. I have never seen anything as good as the 3D setup that was in my house. It was awesome. The only thing that I would like to do differently is I would like to get my hands on a higher quality DLP projector. I also learned about another type of filter that could help me make non-DLP projectors,

like make the light polarizable or something as a whole. I forget what it's called. Anyway, I linked Elijah to some articles in case we were gonna do a follow-up, but the video didn't get any views, so we probably won't. But I'd like to get my hands on some better DLP projectors with lens shift so that I could perfectly align the images. And then, oh man. Oh

So cool. I I would totally have that set up maybe as part of like whale land or something I also really enjoyed doing the equinex tour. I always love getting access to places other people don't get to go It's one of my favorite perks of this job Like oh so cool and then the last one that came off the top of my head was the motherboard repair video. That was probably the most pure joy and like exhilaration that I have felt filming a video in at least a couple years. Just like stacking up those Ws.

Although we have one coming, oh no, this one came out already, the one where the wife threw the guy's pc Out out the window. Yeah, the three-story balcony when he asked for a divorce. Uh, we got Have you watched it? I've gone through parts of it. Oh, okay. Um We got all but one component working Yes, I did know that all but one wait. No, I think I did watch the whole thing Yeah, that was super awesome. I was very surprised

I've also got another response here from Nick light. I'm on vacation You Linus I'm not working I'm on vacation you Linus. There's a blank in there. No, he said you Linus. I'm not working you Linus What's you like you Linus? You Linus you Linus? Linus nice God. I hope my button works doesn't for us Jordan said I'm on vacation Adam, please stop messaging me

Nice and then Bell's favorite was you might feel a little pressure. The Ludwig Swipe Plus bidet short circuit. That was actually a lot of fun. What? Oh, sorry. Sorry, I just assumed you wouldn't bother clicking it. Wow. That was the only one that's had an ad. Like, this one didn't have an ad on it. That was awesome. How many views did this get? We should hire this guy. 850,000 views on a bidet. Yeah. Absolutely natural talent. I mean,000 views on a bidet. Yeah.

Absolutely natural talent. I mean, I told him this when he came up here. I was like, if there's anything, oh, I think I actually said this on the yard, but the guy is an S tier personality. Yeah. Like just, you could probably put him in front of anything with anyone doing anything.

They do pretty well. And he would just, he'd like figure out the vibe, settle in and just perform. Like the guy is, yeah, just absolutely S-tier. Get what he does. Okay, oh, Sammy. Sammy picked a favorite one. I haven't watched this video. You haven't watched your own setup doctor? That's weird. No way. I feel like I would watch mine. Yeah, he says he has a hard time watching himself. Oh, I'm the same. I haven't watched mine. What? Oh

What? Okay, I was working up the courage to but well anyway, all right Yeah, he said that was his joke answer and then his real answer was this is how we make an LTT video 2024 This was outstanding and I didn't even know about it until I watched it The team did such an outstanding job of this video going through the entire process in like a... This is super cool. I don't know, I don't know how to describe why it's so much better

than the way that we've done it in the past, but I think this might be the best like dislike ratio on floatplanes. You just ruined it now. No, they won't. Floatplane's not like that. I'm gonna do it. What? Damn. No, floatplane's not like that. They don't respect that. Yeah, so yeah, he said it was a video idea he wanted to do for over a year and uh- Don't, Sammy! Outstanding exclu- Exclus- Are you kidding me right now?

Hold on I can block mods. Yeah, Dan do it. Ban him. Ban him from floatplane Okay Adam added some other stuff some stats 844 million views on the channel this year 172 million hours of watch time 234 LTT videos 59 live streams 34 shorts a 126 floatplane exclusives including behind the scenes and exclusive live streams and themed weeks exclusives including behind the scenes and exclusive live streams and themed weeks.

Themed weeks are sick. 640,000 new subscribers. Oh, we have some most viewed videos. Can you guess the top three? Okay, well, I know one of them. I have a theory for one of them, which I'm very surprised wasn't mentioned at all. Oh, really? Up above. I know the top one is the... Ooh, hold on. I have a theory of what one it is. Should I write it down? Yeah, you can write it

down, but I know it's one of two. It's... oh shoot! Oh, it's one of three! Oh shoot! I think the top viewed video on the channel for this year is actually the Samsung folding displays short from CES. That isn't what I thought and that isn't what I wrote down. Interesting. Oh, we didn't count that apparently. So I think we I think we might have gotten it wrong. I guess they're only counting VOD, but yeah, I know the top performing other than that would have been the underwater scooter, but that's another short for the Taiwan PC. Okay, I wrote down Taiwan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one far and away outperformed everything else this year. I'm gonna sort by views here.

I think, oh, I don't know, over 10 million. Is that enough zeros? I don't even know. Yeah, yeah, so this short from January of 2024 got almost 13 million views. Whoa. Yeah. This one got a lot, but it's from the previous year and then the The underwater scooter one I think did like eight or nine million or something like that. So hold on

Let's have a look at let's have a look at what Adams got So can you guess doctor? Yeah, I knew that one off the top of my head as for the next one Man, I don't know. We actually played this game recently and I had no idea when we did the 16th anniversary stream. I had no idea what top performing videos were from the channel. I don't spend nearly as much time in the dashboard now that it sucks so much. Yeah, so you had the other three.

I knew Taiwan PC was gonna smash. Other than that, I feel like the iPhone video is gonna be up there somewhere. No, no, it's like good. I feel like the the iPhone video is gonna be up there somewhere. No No, it's like good It's got like three million two point nine million or something. The next segment is commented. I bet you it's up there for that one Most views though

Because the giant TV was last year, right was it I think the giant TV was last year, right? Was it? I think the giant TV was last year. Oh, you don't mean like the the projector setup at the Bambi Center? Yeah. No. Because that one, I just saw that one had almost like four million views, I think. Okay, I give up. I don't know. Oh, wait, what? Oh, that's such a hack. What? The second one totally is the TV hint wasn't published this year, so I put oh It's the ones that got the most views this year, okay I'm giving myself some credit for that one Because I only excluded it because I thought it was ones that were published this year. Yeah fair enough, okay I don't know what the third one is. I don't know what the third one is No way this

This one like bombed out of the gate 5.3 million three. Yeah, this one did not do well. Hold on. I'm not I'm not logged into the right account here But let's go. Let's go find it I'll show you guys like this one It was supposed to be like like a sequel to a top performer because this is Like wow Yeah, so like dude this started Yeah, come on this started like at the low end of typical. Yeah, and then just

Reached escape velocity and then just has not slowed down. 15,000 views today, like just casually racking them up. Yep. That doesn't- 30,000 views last 48 hours for a video that old is crazy. It doesn't happen that much anymore. It used to be how our entire channel growth was architected.

It's like half of what we talked about. Yeah. Was just you make evergreen content and it just like gets views forever. But only a few of them, only a few of them break out like that. Yeah. Alright, what was our bonus fourth? They left this in my driveway, the Cluven's Scorpion Gaming Chair. Yeah. Yeah, there you go.

That's such a great thumbnail. I forgot that was this year. And the fact that that title is not not clickbait like that's actually what happened We ordered the thing and they just dumped it like in the driveway They were 11 months we didn't even sign for it like they just left it there and like really That seems a little silly absolutely wild Okay, most commented video with 13,000 comments that's gotta be the iPhone video. There's no way. Oh, no, it was the the $5,000 PC in the Taiwanese tech mall.

And then the next one was April Fool's, that that checks out. Oh man, none of them the iPhone video? Is the last one the iPhone? The last one was the iPhone video. Okay. Ten thousand eight hundred comments on I tried Apple, iPhone 30 day challenge. I'm still using it by the way, but only because I'm lazy. And migrating WhatsApp off of iPhone, I've heard is even worse than migrating WhatsApp

onto the iPhone. So I'm really not looking forward to that because I used to lose my chat history all the time. And that's one of the reasons that I stuck with the Note9 for so long. How does it, I don't know why people keep using WhatsApp, to be honest. I mean... I've never understood how it survived.

It's fine. But like, so is everything else. Everything's fine. It's where my chat history is. You keep losing it? No, no, I haven't lost it in like six years. Oh, okay. Yeah, I used to lose my chat history all the time Like I didn't even I didn't even realize with cuz like text message

Migration would be really sloppy unless you like went and did it at the store or with like the proper app or whatever. So Tons of people still use it. I just don't understand and then like losing my we chat history was super inconvenient at one point I don't know if you recall that yes But I had a lot of people accuse me of impropriety because I didn't have we chat receipts for something like I didn't even realize It didn't cloud backup. I don't know like China not have the cloud like okay. I thought they keep everything Somebody has it can you give it back to me please? at least a copy and

Then yeah, what's app the migration just like kind of like kind of sucks like you can at least use it across multiple devices now Which is a big upgrade? Yeah, I know I know I get it I get it It's just it's been it's been pretty sticky because almost everyone I know uses either that or Facebook Messenger and Facebook Messenger is Is like the predominant one for like organizing group events and then whatsapp is the big one for like group chats. Yeah What uh, when is your heart out? Is it 17 minutes from now? No

Yeah, oh six. We got time. Okay, sweet. As for our best like ratios at the Power Color Factory Tour at 99.08 percent. Honestly, not surprised. That was a cool video. That was a wicked video. That was an awesome video. Oh, it's tied though. Tied with hello old friend. Media ripping explained. That was a thick video. Yeah, like it was dense Yeah Very like information heavy. How did that end up performing? That's what I'm checking. Yeah Hello old friend here we are bring up the dashboard Yeah, the see this is this is more typical these days where even something that performs really well flat lines Surely hi, but yeah, but it's like as it got there right away. Yeah in August it had 1.54 million like for contrast

What's it? Yeah, last 48 22 30. Yeah, so basically dead So this kind of like how to rip media or whatever, the only reason this shot up like this is because it had a really good title and thumbnail and then that's it. It's like they're not gonna keep serving this. Bummer. YouTube's just different now.

And you have to adapt to the meta or you die. Knowing that a lot of Evergreen just dies and knowing that the audience is actually surprisingly cyclical Would you consider remaking old videos because I know that was a thing that you were hardline on no in the past Yeah, absolutely. Yeah at this point. Yeah, it seems like it makes sense now especially because like there's there's new information that you know hadn't come out or we didn't know or Has changed.

Yeah, or you can just do a better job potentially. Yeah. Like a lot of them, especially from the really early days. How to water cool a PC, the last guide you'll ever need in 4K. Yeah, sure. Or whatever. I think we could even go back to some of the old

NCIX tech tips. The green. There are videos that I literally Haven't made because I'm like oh no we we did that on NCIX Nicks There we go ultimate water cooling guy yes 13 years ago Buddy

This was pretty early Luke shot yeah Luke tried to figure out water cooling but turns out he lied on his resume so he didn't do anything that was one of the fun moments when he left me to water cool two GPUs and just left the room I've never watercooled anything before I've done no water cooling before and I had to take the The years off to GPUs that was a terrifying. Yeah, well He didn't do it. I ended up having to do it. No, I know I came back and I think you weren't done yet I think I'd at least help. Yeah, that's probably like how you've been doing. You've been here for so long What's taking so long that wasn't entirely true? We tried with us a few times because you didn't actually give me very much time there were other parts You didn't have enough time for it. You definitely had enough time when I wanted those heat sinks stripped off, okay

That's probably fair this and the last one at ninety nine point oh six percent was the sensible tech upgrade that was Sebastian's Dude his place is so styling that was a really good video. Yeah Honestly the tech upgrades in general are just like pretty awesome. I I love the tech upgrade series One million Wow, that's not even that old. Yeah, they're just they're just reliable They're just reliable our team is so cool That all you have to really do is like hang out with one for a bit and then yeah Like people love them and this place is so interesting. All his little projects are so interesting. Not even little, all his incredibly professional projects.

That's a lot of him. And the team puts so much work into stuff these days, like those little extras, the amount of work that went into just having an entire couple of master cartons of screwdrivers on the island there. It's extra, I think is the term for it. Yeah. Discussion question, how'd you feel about 2024?

What'd you achieve? Any surprises, disappointments? It was a tough year. 2024 was a really tough year. We were coming off of, we were coming off of some allegations that, you know, after the investigation was completed, we released our statement that said the investigation found that the allegations were unfounded and unfair.

So you know, going through all of that, when the allegations were, according again to the investigation, unfounded and unfair, was extremely challenging for me personally and for us as a company. You know, I think that- Weighed on a lot of people pretty heavily. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And there was a lot of stuff that, there's a lot of stuff that people didn't see behind the scenes that made it really hard.

What we achieved, I think, is we got our groove back. We're back to kind of killing it. It's always cyclical. I think we talked in that recent All Hands about how we're like back to before viewership and it's a little down this month. But you know, it do be like that though. I mean I think there's gonna be a lot of people upgrading when 50 series comes out. I think there's gonna be a lot of buzz around that. So there'll be some upswing there and then it'll be down again, it'll be up

and you know, whatever, right? Yeah, Dyslexicstoner says uh... I'll admit I stopped watching for a while I couldn't stand having another person I like turn out to be a monster I was glad it wasn't true uh... yeah no there was a there was a big there was a big

uh... There was a big Yeah, there was a big group of people that just stopped watching and there's a significant group that You know if their comments are to be believed have never come back and that's sad That's really sad and it's still sad for me. I think it's true, yeah. Because there's also like, that stuff went so far and wide, you'll never be able to reach all of those people again. Yeah. Yeah, really tough. As for what's up, welcome to the next quarter of a century, oh my goodness. Did you know Star Wars, 1977, was released closer to the year 2000 than any video we

made this year? I'm just gonna close that topic. Why don't we move on? Yes. Yes, let's do that. There's a fake Nintendo lawyer sending out DMCA takedowns. A few months ago, YouTuber Dominic Domtendo Neumeyer received DMCA takedowns on his Legend of Zelda Echoes of Wisdom Let's Play videos. However, after some back-and-forth with the Tatsumi Masaaki, protonmail.com account, Domtendo reached out to Nintendo itself who responded that the emailer was not using

a legitimate Nintendo email address. A few weeks later, the YouTuber received a follow-up from that same email with a short message, "'I hereby retract all of my proceeding claims.' Although the threatening email would start to come from a spoofed anti-piracy3 at nintendo.co.jp email. Rumors of fake takedowns from Big Red last circled when Garry's Mod removed all Nintendo related fan content

after receiving DMCA's originating from suspicious looking emails. The developer claims to have verified the source though. Nintendo and partners have also been accused of using AI tools to issue mass takedowns. That was just a quick topic. I want to talk about this one. This is called My Experience as a Winner Turned into Disqualification by NVIDIA. This was actually flagged for me before the show, just a little while before the show. This was posted six hours ago on the forum. But this poster in our community

said they were officially declared a winner and their project was publicly listed on Nvidia platforms. They were supposed to win. A winner of what? I think it was, yeah, here we go. An Nvidia RTX 6000 add a generation graphics card, so like a really valuable GPU. And then after declaring them a winner and sending them through a bunch of hoops, they

apparently were disqualified for reasons that Nvidia has not apparently been able to properly explain. So they've just asked us to highlight this because I hope, I like to assume, you know, incompetence where where malice has not yet been proven, where hopefully by getting some visibility on this, we can at least get them a satisfactory answer. So what they're asking for is, if anyone from Nvidia reads this, I respectfully ask for my project to be reviewed by a team of qualified technical experts. My only goal is to ensure fairness and transparency. Thank you all for taking the time to read this. I appreciate any help that you can provide."

So they provided a link to their project, to their GitHub repo. So that's on there. Just wanted to make sure that we kind of highlighted that. We like to make sure that we're taking care of our community members. And this seemed like Seems like there's got to be something going on here. They should at least get an explanation Oh, no Do you want to do the AI stuff?

You want to do the AI stuff? Uh, oh no. I didn't even know this. By a vote of four to three, the Arizona State Board for Charter Schools approved an application to open a fully online school, which will serve grades four to eight. That doesn't automatically sound all that bad. Unbound Academy hopes to use AI to condense academic instruction into a two-hour window, which now sounds really bad. To free up time for life skill workshops covering financial literacy, public speaking, goal

setting, entrepreneurship, critical thinking, and creative problem solving. Which sounds great. Except. In theory. Quote, as students work through lessons on subjects like math, reading, and science, the AI system will analyze their responses, time spent on tasks, and even emotional cues to optimize the difficulty and presentation of content. That sounds ambitious. Good luck with that. Wow. That sounds like, um,

that sounds like a, like a Stanley parable style, like video game level of, of issue when it would be applied to the workplace. And this feels like to me some amount of desensitization before it gets applied to the workplace, but we'll see. Uh, Unbound Academy has been trialing this two-hour learning method in Texas, seemingly in person, and has applications to open other schools in Arkansas and Utah. Experts have questioned the effectiveness of personalized education programs and have

called it an Orwellian misnomer for replacing teachers with digital services and data mining software. Yeah. Much of the criticism stems from the lack of clarity behind the term. Yep. Personalized learning is perhaps like personalized ads, i.e. data collection, a form of doublespeak, says Adam, and I strongly agree. Discussion question, do you think kids need that real connection with teachers in order to do well? I'm gonna stop you right there. Yeah. Not necessarily. Oh, I do. But what they definitely need is a real connection with other students. Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. And in theory, good point, this is freeing up time for life skill workshops covering financial literacy, public speaking,

goal setting, entrepreneurship, critical thinking, and creative problem solving. In practice, homeschooling is an extremely poorly regulated area. I strongly recommend watching the John Oliver segment on it. Oh, cool. Yeah. And I'm not saying that you have to agree with John Oliver on everything. But what I will say is that as far as

as far as background research goes, they do a pretty darn good job. And this just feels like this just feels like homeschooling with extra steps. To me, it feels like if you're gonna have a problem kid, it's just gonna be exacerbated so much. Because without someone there being able to do something about it, I don't know, what if they just frown at the AI camera for like five minutes, what does it do?

Nothing? Nothing? Nothing. Does it make the tasks easier because it detects kid is upset? Like, I don't know. Assuming that every single kid is just going to do this perfectly seems. But I mean, assuming every kid is going to do traditional school perfectly, you know, it's not right either. Isn't that the whole reason why the teachers are there? Or a big part of it? Yes, but I mean, not every teacher is great. I mean, I...

Definitely agree. You know, one of my most frustrating experiences... Sure, every person had at least one bad teacher. Yeah, one of my most frustrating experiences being in school was knowing from having parents who were teachers and from having my teachers who were teachers and you know seeing a little bit of the inside baseball knowing that competency was not necessarily the most important attribute for keeping your job and getting promotions and raises. Seniority. Yeah.

Politics. You know that and that's not how. Tender. Yeah that's not how... Tender. Yeah, that's not how things should be done, right? Anyway, yeah, good luck, Arizona. I am deeply worried about the... I'm deeply worried about education.

Top Gear said, no, there will be a baseline and it will be monitored. It won't be so easy. They graduate below level. Yeah, but you can't fail kids anymore. That's a whole thing. So like, actually, it totally could be. I don't know. I don't have a great answer. And I'm not in that field. I don't have a great answer and I'm not in that field. I don't have a kid, but education doesn't feel like it's going in a fantastic direction. The node.

I feel bad for the kids. The no child left behind paradigm feels like it feels sort of like a good idea, like a warm idea that in practice, I just don't really understand why we're still giving it any credence. Conrad says, my mom is a teacher and says the upcoming generation is not okay. And I don't think it's their fault to be super clear at all. I think The the current powers that be are setting them up for failure I Don't I don't think it's the kids

Yeah, anyways Yeah, and then sir two boy five says yeah, that's what my sister's telling me to she's a teacher to they are super uninterested in learning. Yeah, I'm reminded of that famous misattributed quote. That is not actually from peanuts and Linus didn't actually say this in the strip, but So good That's pretty good Yeah, it's stuck with me though. Yeah, I mean it feels like that right?

Yeah actual attribution a Asada Shakur. All right. OpenAI outlines new for-profit corporate structure. Nice. They've outlined a plan to change their corporate structure by transforming its for-profit arm into a public benefit corporation. A company structured to balance the interests of society with shareholder value, which should make securing investors easier. They recently completed a $6.6 billion funding round, $4 billion from Amazon alone, and currently have a $157 billion valuation.

The proposed change comes after Elon Musk dropped a lawsuit claiming a for-profit structure would be illegal. Musk and Sam Altman worked together nine years ago to launch OpenAI as a nonprofit with the mission statement to develop generative AI for the benefit of society. Musk left in 2018 after seeming frustrations over the company taking billions in funding from Microsoft. Also failing to gain a majority stake in the company for himself might have had something to do with it. Yeah, yeah there's been the whole thing with the... Might something to do with it. Yeah, yeah, there's been the whole thing with the might have suddenly made that okay. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep

Anywho, that's it for our topics. Oh Dan left cool. Well, we're gonna switch to after dark when Dan comes back in the meantime I could read so off if you want. Oh what happened to the oh I have another go fund me that unlike the one we talked about earlier is, um, not a downer. And, oh hey, look at that! Passed the school. Let's go! Wait, did we... oh, okay, well... I mean, you know what? That's cool.

Some anonymous person yesterday donated a thousand dollars. some anonymous person yesterday donated a thousand dollars Reboot rewind has a go fund me you guys can feel free to resurrect this iconic Animated show from my childhood is actually the first fully computer animated TV show I hear some footage Yep, pretty awesome. You guys can check that out there I Did not end up stalling for very long no do you want me to read some off oh? Yeah, we could do that or we could wait for Dan. They'll wait

Okay, oh, we don't actually have a lot of time to kill though. That's what I'm yeah I kind of have to I have to leave at some point okay. There aren't a ton of them either though Oh has Dan been filtering a lot of them? There's only ten. Oh Okay they Apparently people just don't care about leaving merch messages. Yeah, because there was a lot a lot of backpacks I think he also was maybe pretty aggressive with the curating because there was a decent amount of merch messages Okay, I'll let you guys know how many discount codes are left

We are down to Mental math is hard. We're down to about 3,500 So we have a couple videos that are queued to go up this weekend that have call-outs for the commuter bag It's after dark time Dan, and I'm a little worried that we might have to YouTube editor like cut out the part referring to the discount code We'll see how it goes Let's do it I Must have missed a topic change sorry about that. No you're good Dan. Don't even trip dog. I'm trippin

Look at that now it's dark. So good. Dude, I have been an absolute lump for the last two days. I don't remember the last time I did less. I didn't even respond to social messages. Like Luke messaged me over the holiday actually with some some stuff that probably Merited paying attention to I was a little surprised you didn't respond So so initially initially I just had a lot of family stuff going on up until the 25th or until the 25th and I think I've I think I've updated you on

like my family being a little complicated right now so that was a little I assumed there was stuff going on and then and then on the 25th and the 26th I went and played badminton with my in-laws and my son. Nice. And other than that, did literally actually nothing. And then yesterday, I went and played some badminton in the evening because I looked at my step counter and I had like 400 steps. Whoa. I did actually nothing.

So you probably saw me on Steam like all day yesterday. I would not. Yesterday was my family's Christmas. Got it. So if you'd me on Steam like all day yesterday. I would not. Yesterday was my family's Christmas. Got it. So if you'd been on your computer, you would have seen me on Steam doing absolutely nothing. I am substantially ahead of you in Final Fantasy 6. And I only played yesterday and a little bit in the evening the day before. You know, it shouldn't be an always thing, but it's not a bad idea to slow down everyone's own world. I don't remember the last time that I've done it.

And you know what, it was kind of glorious. But at the end of the day yesterday, I was like, really, brother, okay. Gotta get back on the horse. So I dragged my butt to smash, I played for a couple hours, and then I jumped on the Stairmaster for 10 minutes. I found out my step rate by the way

The the speed that I'm doing is a hundred thirty three steps per minute. So It says 350 watts on the wow on the thing. So I only did I only did I don't know but I think that's really good I only did ten minutes of that yesterday, but what I've been doing Before when I told you that I would cycle between the machines is I've been trying to do half an hour And so I've been doing For rowing Two minutes for every 500 meters is about the pace that I target. Yeah, and then for the stair master I've been doing that so I've been doing

133 steps per minute and then for the bike I've been doing that. So I've been doing 133 steps per minute. And then for the bike, I've been targeting about 140 watts. So that's my half an hour continuous that I've been trying to do. I've fallen off the wagon a little bit over the last couple days, as I already told you. But when those badminton players come out here for the collab, I want to be at the point where i can comfortably do half an hour of continuous like crazy cardio rod

we both read that at the same time i want to be able to do 15 minutes continuous on the stair master at that speed and I didn't expect that for Rod and then I'm gonna bookend it with the bike and the rower nice So I'm thinking I'll go oh Man, what will I what will I do? Yeah, cuz the bike is really tough on the thighs, too I might have to find like a third cardio machine. That's not just pure legs Cuz the you isn't there an elliptical there? Oh yeah, that's true. Elliptical is your most well-rounded

whole body one that you have. Okay, yeah, maybe I'll do- That was why I pushed for that one. Maybe I'll do elliptical then. So I could do- But you gotta actually operate the handles. Yeah, well I'm gonna need to because my legs will be dead.

So maybe I could do the elliptical last. So I could row and then jump on the stair master and then do the elliptical for the last five minutes pull it into yeah. Yeah, I know yeah, I Did try out for the rowing team. Oh nice. Yeah. Yeah, that's as far as I got Oh, they didn't invite me. They didn't invite me. Oh, it could be the coxswain. Ah, yeah Like yeah, yeah and loud. Yeah. Oh, yeah All right hit me down hi Uh, yeah. Light. Yeah. And loud. Yeah. Oh yeah. Piercing voice. Makes sense. All right, hit me Dan. Hi. What big house upgrades or projects do you have in the works? I struggle with permanent modifications, for example throwing holes in the walls, so I love watching home upgrades. Okay. Okay. I am gonna do this. I wanna build like an epic cat wall.

Like with all the like things and the ropes and the things that can climb and stuff. I want the entire upstairs hallway essentially. Oh sick. To be just like cat jungle. Jungle gym, not jungle. Nice. Yeah, and I would honestly,

we can never close doors in our house. So I would honestly love to work out some kind of like tunnel system so they can get in and out of rooms The problem is that so that then you could close doors. Yeah for my room. I do have sound isolation requirements You know and so I would that that's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so what I was kind of thinking is maybe Get like a plug because the cats whine if we close our door Mm-hmm, but if we had just a hole then there would always be sound leakage, which is not better Yeah, so what I'm kind of thinking is

Maybe I could of thinking is maybe I could, um, ugh, maybe I could make like a cat thing and then they could go into like a tunnel that takes them up through the attic to somewhere else on the cat thing. So they could get in and out of our room all the time, but we could just close our door. So, or something like that so that there wouldn't be a clear path for sound. You could make like a baffles basically that they have to like walk through. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think something like that would be cool. Don't worry, they're not going to go up in the attic and close it, obviously. Come on, guys. Give me some credit here. Give me some credit here. Other than that, like, I don't know, fixing the roof solar all the light switches Oh man, because we've actually had like two days off Yvonne's been learning to crochet because like her husband's busy playing video games, I guess Time to time to go full old lady

And she's been like reaming me about our horrible light switches because I need in a valley to hurry up and get me those millimeter wave switches Yeah, I think those are the big ones. They are pretty horrible. Yeah, they are pretty horrible. Did you just turn off all the time? Except sure Clap to k-24 a cord says I'm an insulator. I always find it hilarious when parents soundproof their bedrooms It's a very common option Yeah, I mean that's considered a good thing consider it. Yeah, why not consider it healthy bedrooms No soundproof

The kids don't have to hear all the fighting yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, there you go my family friendly Well, maybe so's it. Yeah, there you go. My parents could use that. Family friendly, well, maybe. That's so much worse. Yeah, actually worse. So much worse. Literally worse. Linus, Luke, and Dan, how do the three of you individually maintain the desire and effort levels to keep working on your hobbies?

How do you keep pushing yourselves to be better at your jobs? Well, you guys push me to be better at my job. So there's that. I mean, I think we also push ourselves a lot. As for maintaining effort levels for my hobbies, do I? Badminton, badminton I do. I do, I'm highly motivated to be better at it.

It's the motivation for me is that it counts as exercise. So I don't feel like I'm wasting time when I'm playing badminton unless I sign up for a session that's like tournaments feel like a waste of time. Those are an indulgence. If I play a tournament, I know that I'm playing like 20% of the time and I could have easily done a lot of other stuff in that time.

But no, that's the easy justification. Do you see tournaments as like a benchmark though? Absolutely. Check where you're at. Yeah, it's six. Oh dude. We actually, my team, instead of coming eighth, like last year, we came ninth this year. But I actually, I don't mind that result. It doesn't actually feel like a downgrade,

especially for me personally, because the only reason we're ninth is because our first match at 9 a.m. on the first day was the one that determined that we would have no shot at the top eight Oh because the way the seeding worked We we were seated to within our group of four for round robin and we played number three and it was Close their team won three games ours won two but two of the ones we lost went to deuce which is and One of the ones went to deuce in the third set

So basically that means that's where you're tied at the end and you have to win by two. Yeah So it was really close and then once that was over that very first match The next one was basically a walkover, we played the fourth seed, and like, they tried hard and whatever, but it was a different class of team. And then our last one in our round, Robin, was a walkover for the other team. They were the top seed, and I think they went on to win.

So basically, the team that we lost barely two, they weren't even eighth they were like higher than eighth But because we lost two in our round robin stage the best we could do was guys were screwed Yeah, and then the following day we won all the way through. Yeah, so we came in ninth Yeah, so I don't even feel that bad about it and in that first one. I won my game I played men's doubles and I played against the person that I lost to in my final game the previous year, which was what put us in eighth

instead of seventh and I won. So personally, I felt like it was a pretty big upgrade. I played really well. The only games I lost were the one that was against the team that won. And one of the kids that was on the other team literally plays at like a national level like currently Okay, whatever. I got a few points. I feel good about that Yeah, and then the other one I lost I retired from my team had already won

So we were just playing for fun and I hurt my back and that was like in a lot of pain for a week or two like that was when I was telling you I couldn't sneeze like sneezing was like incapacitating. I like pulled something I also got tennis elbow. I shouldn't have played that last for fun game It was really close up until I was like guys. I'm done Like a little bit messed up still at that time. Yeah, I had to wear a brace, but it didn't bother me during the tournament Okay, but no I was like three different parts of your body. Very injured. Not awesome. Yeah.

And yeah, man. And to be clear, I'm not going to make any excuses. They won. You know, when you retire from the match, they won. I'm just saying any match I completed or was not playing someone who, you know, literally is like almost semi-pro, right? I performed really well, so I was really happy with that. Yeah, nice. Yeah, pains of getting old, dude. I hear that a hundred percent. A hundred percent. Hey, Dale O. We never got Luke's answer. Oh, we didn't. What was the question?

Staying motivated for your hobbies. Oh, um, progressive overload, incremental progression. I am addicted to those two concepts. That's pretty much it. Yeah, getting old is gonna be hard. Oh, yeah. I've, I've had this like, crisis moment many times, where I'm like, the thing that drives me on like everything is getting marginally better all the time. And when that inverts, oh no, I don't know what's gonna happen to my brain. Well, you'll have a midlife crisis. I'm not well set up for this. Like I have self-reflected.

That's why they call it midlife crisis. It's not midlife happy fun time. Fair enough. I've been thinking like, I'm gonna have to... You could buy a Porsche. I think I'm gonna have to try to find like reduction of incremental decline as something to aim for. And go like, okay, looking at the math of like averages of how people tend to decline at this age, if I can beat decline at this age,

if I can beat that by this amount, that's my goal. So yeah, maybe I'll be slower or lift less or not be as good or score lower, whatever the metric is. But if I can have that be by a lower amount than would be expected. Yeah, just set a new benchmark. Yeah, I think that's gonna be the goal. A benchmark of like sucking less. Yeah, pretty much.

Let's go. Competitive aging says Turbulent. Pretty much. This has been my like, I've been planning for this strat for a long time though because I'm genuinely very concerned about this. You can be like that weird Brian Johnson guy. Oh no. You can be like that weird Brian Johnson guy. Oh no! Because you basically just described him. I guess.

You take 14,000 pills every day. Anyways. Hey DLL, I've seen more people losing access to your Steam account after being hacked. I'm terrified of losing all my games. What's the best way to protect yourself in the all digital future?" Don't click on anything. Yeah. Evidence of ownership. Have good 2FA set up. Yeah, if you can contact support and be like, this is clearly me, then you might have a better chance. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. So just take a picture of your

driver's license and make that your Steam profile picture. Sorry, I couldn't know I don't know yeah so just take a picture of your driver's license and make that your steam profile sorry I couldn't even get that out don't do that but it'd be funny it would be kind of funny but yeah make sure you have to say to a face it up I don't know if steam has a log out on all other systems thing does it do you know I think so I think if you log out of steam it I think yeah I'm pretty sure it does then my other theory or no if you change your password it'll change it'll log out of every system okay yeah someone says SMS is not real 2FA yeah have the the steam app 2FA yeah yeah that's been good for a long time yeah I mean the steam app kind of sucks but no but the fact that they have yes but having it is good. Yes. Hello again, parasocial friends.

I make training videos for the trucking industry, truck stops to mechanics, et cetera. Do you think a strict structure is needed for these or would a more YouTube style approach, I guess be beneficial? Cut off. Depends. If you're really good at it,

then a conversational, casual YouTube style approach would be great If you really need people To like if this is like for certification, you know like if this is something that needs to be covered in a in a Dot all the t's and cross all the i's kind of way You might be able to mix it in that case, but you're still gonna have to get pretty strict structure.

Yep. Yep. I agree. You can like have fun until you get to the T-crossing and I-dotting section, and then you need to be pretty strict for a bit to make it like very, very clear what the bounds are and then you can maybe get back to having fun. Hey, LLD, what greater benefits would emerging content creators get

in Float Plane compared to Patreon? Thanks for all y'all do. You could make less money. Yeah. You might like that. You won't know until you've tried it. Float Plane's more of a focus on video. I haven't looked into what Patreon's done

for a while on video, but Float Plane really is majorly while on video, but Fullplane really is majorly focused on video to the point where it's Probably not as good of a solution if you're not a video creator. Yeah, and and if you're an emerging content creator That's why I specifically am talking to you It's it's not for you. You need to maximize the money that you can get because you need it to eat and Our revenue split is not going gonna be conducive to that. Our platform is designed for extremely high quality video

and audio and so if you are a large creator and say for example you were looking to like white label a platform or something like that, our revenue split is a lot more competitive. Like if your alternate is hiring a development team and building something, we're gonna look stellar. Whereas if your alternative is like uploading unlisted videos on YouTube or Vimeo or something

and then just like, you know sending. I think Patreon has a native one now. I think they have a native one now. But the point is just like if your alternative is finding something free and sending an unlisted link to the people who to the several dozen people who follow you at zero overhead then you should do that you know. It's horses for courses. Yeah there's solutions for everybody. We like Flowplain, a few other people on the platform seem to really like Flowplain. There's also a lot of benefits to Patreon. The split is generally better seem to really like Float Plane. There's also a lot of benefits to Patreon.

The split is generally better. But it also entirely depends. Like if you set your price to the right price on Float Plane based on how we do our costing, you can get a better split than there is on Patreon. Most people won't do that, but it is possible because we just have... Sorry? No, I just had something upside down stuck in my throat.

Our costs are fixed for creators. So if you have a super fancy, expensive Omega tier, but it doesn't take any extra from us, because we have a limit on our features, obviously, then we don't take more. So you could theoretically take more, but then you're asking for a lot from your audience at that point. So most people aren't gonna do it.

Yeah, unless you have like FeetPix on there or something. True. I don't think we have anything against FeetPix, technically. And we don't really discriminate. It's not a serious conversation, Luke. We don't have to talk about that. anything against Vpex, technically. And we don't really... discriminate when creators get added on. It's not a serious conversation, Luke. We don't have to talk about that. I'm being real, man. You don't know? Maybe, maybe...

He's trying to sell this, Linus. Maybe the... what would you call the top crea... The top foot is watching us. What would you call the top creator in the Vpex category? I tell you to put your foot in your mouth, but the servers probably couldn't handle it. The big toe says UCL Buffalo.

The big toe! UCL Buffalo in full-screen chat just won it. You don't know maybe the big toe is watching man. We gotta make sure they know that they would be welcome here. Because we don't, yeah, we don't really, as long as it's legal, we don't really discern against creators. Oh, all right, let's see. Hello, Dan, Lin, and Luke. What is the average amount of versions of product go through for...

That's all. Product reps and development. Yeah, you just, you got it. I think the backpack was about half a dozen each for the commuter and the original. We've been told by our suppliers that we go through an obnoxious number of product revs, and it's actually caused some strain

on our relationships sometimes, where we'll do half a dozen product revs and just be like, no, it's not good enough. They don't like to hear that. If you don't go to mass production, essentially they subsidize their sample production with the assumption that you're gonna go to mass production. From my point of view, I'm like, that's stupid then. Just tell me how much it costs to make a sample

and I'll be happy to. But it's not that simple, right? There's an opportunity cost on their side. But yeah, I would say somewhere between four and seven is about where we're at on revisions for products. Some a lot more, like for something like the, for something like the screwdriver. We might go through that many revisions for every part.

That many revisions for the ratchet, that many revisions for every part, right? That many revisions for the ratchet, that many revisions for the the mold. And so the the overall number of revisions goes up like exponentially the more parts there are in a product. But for socks, for socks I think we're on like 10 or 12 or something like that. I think we're close though. I think we're close. The the samples that I've... Do I have them on? I don't. The blue samples I've been wearing recently are really good. Hello LDNL. What are your thoughts on containerization? I talk about my interest in it at work. All my coworkers think it's dumb. What are some other cool things you guys do with it? Who

thinks it's dumb? Who are your coworkers-workers yeah really I don't know your co-workers that you talked to about this know what it is and think it's dumb I don't really understand I don't know anyone in the field that thinks it's dumb genuinely zero people I've never met a single person they want the whole system to crash when like monolithic only to the point where when I was reading this I was like wait do they mean like physical containers because I've I've never Met a single person far be it for me to criticize someone who sent a $120 merch message, but are you just like baiting us like maybe because I I don't I'm not I'm not sure if I believe you show this to your coworkers. Yeah

What are they talking about? Maybe they just don't know what it is properly like maybe maybe it's more of an education problem Yeah, maybe they've used a different term for it or something It's Maybe they think you said a bad word and then aner what's the matter? Okay? I like it What's the matter in full plane chat like it. What's the matter? In full plane chat said, Prime and Theo both complain about Kubernetes and Docker. Yeah, sure, but the solutions that they like

are, as far as my understanding goes, generally running on systems where the containerization is just detached from them. It's still happening from the service provider. They just don't have to deal with it themselves because they don't want to do infrastructure. so they just use other services to do it. Which is great and popular. And like, I mean, we use Vercell for the labs website.

Vercell is still doing containerization stuff, I'm sure. It's a concept. It's not a, it's like, yeah, my program is, my coworkers think programming is dumb. Yeah, okay. And like, yeah, it sucks sometimes, my co-workers think programming is dumb. Yeah. And like, yeah, it sucks sometimes. Like I can totally understand why prime and Theo might be like, yeah, this sucks. You shouldn't like waste your time doing this.

As someone who's just trying to spin up like a website, you should use like this, this service thing. Like, great. Um, yeah, you probably shouldn't develop your own personal store in 2025 because like Shopify exists and you should just use that. That doesn't mean containerization is dumb. That means that you might not want to be the person who's interfacing with it, depending on what you're doing. We use Kubernetes to great great effect with floatplane. That was not the right approach for the labs website

Cool, ah dude nick just messaged me. We have removed the discount messaging for the Commuter bag from the Sunday and Monday releases. Oh, he doesn't think they're gonna make it that long. Oh That's crazy. He says he thinks it's gonna be gone tomorrow. All right, we'll see. Obviously, I hope he's right. All right. LLD, my work recently banned third and personal monitors citing security concerns,

but always allow personal monitors work from home two days a week. What do you think? Same computer office and work from home. Phones are allowed on site. Now your co-workers are stupid. I'm assuming this is an IT team currently fighting policy. Yeah, you can link them to this video by the way. You can tell them that Linus says that you made them look stupid. Oh! By laying out their horrible Horrible policy that actually makes me question whether they are competent enough to run any sort of business at all

Let alone one that uses technology We can dunk actual idiots that is not how any of that works Dunked actual idiots That is not how any of that works And third and personal monitor so they can't have a third monitor and they can't bring money They can't bring a personal monitor. Okay, I can understand not wanting people to bring monitors from home You're allowed to use your personal monitor at home Yeah, but bringing a personal monitor into the workspace I can understand why that might as a liability phone as a liability

But not a like If you're allowed to, like look. Security issues. You leave this at the office. I don't let people bring their own lenses and tripods and monitors. This is what I'm saying. But it's not even liability, it's just like because that's stupid. If you need something to do your job then the workplace should provide it.

It's that simple. Right? But so it's nothing to do with security concerns. No. If you are allowed to have your own personal phone with you Everything else is out the window because that is the easiest vector picture Like what I'm gonna bring it. I'm gonna bring a special Special secret magic monitor with a rasp pie embedded in it so I can use a HDMI RS snooping on the cable signal beam it to my spy espionage

office across the street Like obviously yeah, cuz there's obviously Workplaces where that shouldn't be allowed, but they almost certainly also wouldn't allow you to bring phones in yes, so like Yeah, they said they use the same PC at home, so laptop. Okay. But they're allowed a personal monitor. So who cares? At home. Yeah. Yeah. If you can have a phone, you can have essentially your own computer at work. They just haven't figured it out yet. Is this like a have your cake and eat it too thing? What? Like they don't wanna buy people extra monitors,

but they also don't wanna be like that workplace that you have to bring your own monitor to. So they're just like, you're not allowed and also no? Could be. Maybe. Yeah, this could be one of those things where they're just hiding behind security concerns. There's no real, I mean, okay, there is real security concerns. They're just also ignoring all the other bigger moral. Yeah, I think that if they want to be honest, they should just say no,

because if other people see you with a third monitor, they won't ask you if you brought it from home, and they're gonna whine and complain until they get a third monitor And that's not in the budget everyone gets two monitors, and I just don't feel like dealing with it That's the more honest answer probably yeah almost always There is the reason why you can't have something nice is because someone else fucked it up. Oh, yeah almost always Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's always so frustrating or or your workplace is a bunch of cheap Butt-heads it's super frustrating when you're on the like administration side of that and you see it happening and you're like man

I really wish this person would stop because if they don't stop I'm gonna have to do something about this Yeah But this has worked fine For years and years and years because no one's pushed it past this limit. And then you like try to get them to stop and they just won't and then you have to kill it for everybody and it just sucks. I remember having like tough conversations with you about stuff that we like can't do anymore

and you're like, well that's stupid. I'm like, trust me, I know how stupid it is more than you ever will. Yeah, yeah. It's frustrating. There's nothing I. Yeah. Yeah. It's frustrating. There's nothing I can do about it. It's frustrating. Cause like you can interact in good faith in a certain way,

but you have to be careful about it because other people might see it and then interact with that thing in bad faith and then it gets turned off for everybody. And it's happened a bunch of times. I know I can cannot give you examples for reasons that I hope would be obvious. Oh, here's a good one, good comment from Chronified.

I'd be willing to bet they're using monitoring software and it has a two monitor limit. So for the work from home setup, it's a laptop with only one display out. That's a good hypothesis, I like it. I like it. I mean, the fact that you have your phone still is like stupid or whatever

So it says personal sighting surgery but allows personal monitors work from home two days a week They might have a way of doing more than one display Okay, I don't know that is interesting though Why are you so popular today? I don't know. He's so popular. All right, hit me Dan. Sure. I was just waiting for the interruption to stop.

Hi Linus and Hi Linus and Luke. I would like to game single co-op, from my PC to my living room TV. They are around 60 feet apart. How would you guys solve this? Optical HDMI cable and probably a USB over ethernet adapter. We showed USB 2.1s that are cheap, like 10, 15 bucks cheap,

that can easily do that distance. That would be the highest fidelity way. The low fidelity, but probably easier way with less wiring would be to just use streaming. So you have a thin client and just use like Steam in-home streaming or whatever. They've rebranded it to Steam Link or whatever they call it now.

What tech were you most sad to see? Flop or fall out of fashion? I really wish phones with physical keyboards were still improved and made mainstream. Hold on, before we move on, UCRBuffalo says, why not HDMI to ethernet adapters too? Because by the time you do that, you've added all of the cost and complexity

of an optical cable, except you're paying for copper now. Fiber is actually cheaper by the foot. It's just the media conversion that's expensive. So if you're gonna have media conversion, a lot of the time, unless you need to be able to service it in the field, like if you're doing live events or something like that, there's no reason to use like HDMI over ethernet

instead of just HDMI over fiber. like like HDMI over ethernet instead of just HDMI over fiber. Also a lot of the HDMI over ethernet stuff is not like 4k 120, whereas you can get fiber optic HDMI cables that will allow you to do the full HDMI 2.1. No I'm not any lag difference that I'm aware of it's's just, it just doesn't make sense, like in the home. Okay, sorry. What were you most sad to see flop or fall out of fashion? I mean, 3D is on my mind. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with that.

I'm gonna go with that. Cause I've seen some glasses free 3D that's like really good. Like we could have gotten there. We just, the content's not there anymore. This person said physical keyboards on phones. I don't agree with that, but I do agree with physical key inputs

Practically everywhere else. Mmm. There are some good solutions like I'm assuming the one in your car is all right It's okay, but actually almost everything else is trash especially a lot of public things Public things that are touchscreen just like I don't like touching them. No, for one. And occasionally you get ones that have like good rejection and I can't use my knuckle on them because I don't want to touch them with my fingertips. Like I was a germaphobe before it got cool in 2020.

I don't like touching things, I don't like shaking hands. Like one year I stopped shaking hands at CES and immediately I stopped getting trade show illness. Yeah, I do the same thing now. Okay, brilliant. You used to be able to press physical buttons with like your keys or something. Yeah. And now you have to touch screen and tons of them are terrible. So you have to do the input like a billion times. Oh I know, it's so laggy. One of the nice things about physical keys is that they almost always do actually work. Yeah. And with touchscreen keys, it's often not a very

good indicator of if it actually worked or not. So you sit there and say, touch, touch, touch, touch. Okay, that's going to defeat the purpose of using my knuckles in the first place for things. You could spit on it, you could hawk to it. Hawk touch it. There's a reference that makes me old, I guess, probably. Yeah, that's how to fashion now. Because it was very slow. Anyways, yeah, physical buttons on random things. I think high-end touchscreens,

having touch screen buttons is fine, so phones is fine. There's probably some cars that are fine, but there's also some cars where it's terrible But in general just like physical buttons would be better Yeah Japan does this super well, by the way a lot of their stuff is still physical buttons. It's very nice. I Still think their train ticket kiosks could be improved. I agree. Regardless of button type.

But I like the buttons. I'm working my dream job at a big tech data center. The work is fulfilling and amazing, but there are moral implications to working for a major tech company. Oh, so he works for Amazon. Do you have advice for my moral conflict? There's lots of other data centers you could work at. Also, could be worse, you could work for an evil company

like Linus Media Group, who didn't tell anybody. True. About money. Money. Money. Dry your tears with money, that helps. Some amount of it's like you got to survive yourself SLASH ASS

and a lot of people will put their own as I sort of am right now just making sure making sure y'all are up to speed on that on you so you have to decide where your line is your line is oh my god Your lioness? Oh my god. Um... Get it? Lioness? Lioness? Anyways.

I get it. It's just not funny. Yeah, fair enough. No, no, I missed it. I missed it. I didn't do it intentionally. I was busy waiting for chat to actually... For the people that didn't hear the segment earlier on the honey stuff to be like, OMG, is that what he really said about it? Yeah. For those of you who weren't watching earlier, what we said was, hey, we don't really

know what you're talking about. We didn't know almost any of this stuff at the time, and we dropped the sponsor years ago. If you're mad, that's great, you should be mad. Be mad at Honey. Be mad at their parent company, PayPal. Yeah. Yeah, I don't, there seems to be a perception out there

that like what you invest in and the job that you have should have zero reflection on you at all. And I don't completely agree with that. I understand that sometimes you're in a life situation where like you just don't have another option. You don't have the luxury of just like taking a stand. Yeah, so that's one thing, and I am not shooting at that at all.

But I will say for myself, I've had extremely lucrative potential job offers that I have not wanted to take because of where they were at. And I didn't take them. So like, it's not impossible. And like I heard from- Yeah, they must have been awful cuz I mean you were here So like I don't know there's it's it's possible

I also know people that had very good solid jobs and then took a job somewhere that they Didn't like the company and complain about it all the time. And I'm like, this is entirely your fault. Are you just calling me out? All right. Yeah. The prime example is Dan. Have you been reading my blog? But yeah, like, I don't know.

You should care at least a little bit. If it's your only option, it's your only option. I'm not trying to dig you for that. You got to put food on the table. But, you know, if you have a range of options, life isn't just about making more and more money 100% of the time. In my opinion. Yes, it is. Which is why I never made a video about honey. Because, yeah, because you had some form of financial gain there, right for sure yeah for sure It's not that honey was doing my money that had sense on that video was very financially beneficial to you You mean the you mean the affiliate revenue?

No on the on the oh yeah. Oh yeah for sure. Yeah. Yeah, not making that money and also Not exposing someone who was stealing from me. Yeah. Yeah, that was definitely my motivation really lined your pockets You got it dude the number of times that I see people be like How is it That minus spend so much money on this, but he couldn't afford $500 to test something They're so close They're so close to the answer They just need a little nudge Oh man

They're almost there It's almost like They're nothing to do with each other Oh god Alright Next up Hello from- I love being an internet personality

I'm amazed if you haven't just lost it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha But I beat him off camera. Watch him cower. Where the hell's Dan? This is me cowering. I don't know why it's pointing over there. Why is it so dark? You have let me down for the last time, Dan. Pointing the camera in the wrong place. Don't make me throw things at you again. Which I have actually done. And Luke has. Yeah. Yeah, Luke actually almost hit him that one time. Did I? I think so. Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah Luke actually almost hit him that one time did I I think so yeah, oh nice You threw an entire CPU cooler at me. Probably had it coming me Yeah, I actually did when Luke threw something at it. I was actually extremely warranted so yeah

I think I apologized is it victim blaming if the victim blames themself. I think so no that was actually Stockholm syndrome or something not okay the other times have been unwarranted. That one was like And to be fair I threw like a small little coaster. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Yeah Hello from the Netherlands to Linus. Do you have any motorcycle specific tech you love? If I may what bike do you ride? I have an SV650S. It's a 2003 But what bike I have an SV 650 s it's a 2003 But what bike I ride well none because it's in pieces I'm good. I'm gonna do it this time. I'm gonna do it this time. This is rusty. No, I'll be fine Yeah, I took a long time off before and it's like whatever you just it's like riding a bike. I

Don't really have any motorcycle specific tech. I use a pebble. For track changing, because it has physical buttons. Sure does. And you've got gloves on. OK, makes sense. Time and place for physical buttons and on the motorbike is definitely one of them. Yeah. Oh, no. What did we both click archive at exactly the same time? Yes. And accidentally archive two cards. Yeah. Oh no. What?

Did we both click archive at exactly the same time and accidentally archive two cards? Nice. Nice. So weird, my chat's not updating. So I missed everything that chat had to say. Oh well, I'll live. Just give me a sec here, let me see if I can find it. No, I won't. Anonymous asks, Linus, what was your favorite game server or community back when you were younger?

What's your favorite memory from there? Uh, well, I mean, it's gotta be the NCIX gaming server. Shout out Deathhawk. You know who you are. For me, I'm gonna answer this anyways, even though I wasn't asked. Playing that Left 4 Dead, playing that TF2. Let's go. No life-ing it. I think it was Halo 2. Oh yeah. Used to play a bunch with some dude named Utah Crusher, which I've never been able to find again. Sorry. It was pretty good. But we used to, yeah,

I used to be a part of a community on there. It was mostly myself and Utah Crusher, Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun and There there was there's much of other cool things dude. There's whatever the name of the map was it's really really small It was a covenant ship. There's a floating platform in them Platform in the middle Platforms a penis Have you just you've been spending too much time in this pool and spending too little time sleeping. I think that's it and we spent we spent way too much time, because we were kids, but getting these containers to go

all the way up the ramps to where the floating platform was and we had to time it perfectly and we screwed it up a few times, but if you- So you're saying you put a box on the penis? Kind of. Nice. Yeah, two boxes. Two boxes? Wow. Yeah. Same time. That was actually the whole,

that was a very important part of the equation. That's the physics of this, sounds painful. It's tough. Difficult. Okay, I'm sorry, what was the thing, what does it do? We got the boxes all the way up the ramp, and then we had to get them onto the floating platform at the same time,

and that would slam the floating platform on the ground, which would horrifically glitch the whole map out, and it was amazing. We only had to do it once. Nice. We're probably the only people that did it, I'm assuming, because the whole map out and it was amazing. We only had to do it once We're probably the only people that did it I'm assuming because it took forever and it was really really stupid I forgot about that really fun gaming session you and I had taking the warthog because it wasn't supposed to go that was a blast Everything I love about fl- almost just said flow plane. Everything I love about Halo is just breaking Halo in horrific ways. Nice. Yeah. Well There's also the music. That's music. Da da da da. Music is pretty good. Oh, so good. Care for a diagram? I could do like a horrible

paint drawing, but I really don't think it's worth it. Yeah, you could, but you won't. Yeah. Did we find it? What? Cool. Well, thanks for tuning into the WAN Show. Find what? The message we were looking for. That's the one. He read it. He beat me to it. Oh, what? That was there on my dashboard. Yeah, it was there on mine too.

What? Alright, we'll see you again next week. Same bad time. Same bad channel. Bye! So this is what gaslighting is. Well then. No it's not. Damn it! You're wrong.

There's the leak. And if you're wrong you deserved it. Gaslighting's not real crazy it is you made it up