The WAN Show - I Hope you HATE Buying Graphics Cards - WAN Show January 8, 2021

Episode Date: January 11, 2021

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that's not what i meant to do at all okay oh oh bollocks sorry i'm moving you a little bit because you're actually a little bit too high oh shoot is it started it's starting welcome to the land show ladies and gentlemen we have got a fantastic show lined up for you today and hope that you enjoy it and i when i say hope i mean hope because like i don't have anything objective that would make me think that you're going to enjoy any of this it's all bad news it's all bad news today people enjoy bad news though rumor times nvidia rtx 3080 max q could be 74 slower than a desktop version of the same card that is that would put it in line not with last gen's flagship but the one before that in other news gpus the desktop kind that is

highly performant are about to get much more expensive thanks to Trump administration tariffs. Womp womp. Just one more, hey, how you doing on the way out? What else we got, Luke? It was only a matter of time. We saw it sort of happen with Oculus and now we're seeing it happen with WhatsApp.

WhatsApp is going to start compulsory information sharing with Facebook. And also going to start compulsory information sharing with Facebook. And also, there's a rumor that some Switch modders found evidence of a Switch Pro coming up, which will be able to do 4K in docked mode. 4K in docked mode? Wow. Wow.

What I want to know is, where's 120 hertz in docked mode? And you know what else I want to know? Where's the intro? Where's it at oh yeah oh wait oh oh it's actually not working oh uh uh that's awkward um uh oh geez oh geez oh geez luke uh am i the one that does the squeeze i actually don't remember that's insane how many times have i watched this we're good we're good we're good we're good we're good cool nice all right i found it the intro is missing carmen san diego stole it wait are you too young for carmen san diego to be a thing no no no no definitely oh okay

i thought maybe you were just like i don't think my children will ever know what the heck a Carmen Sandiego is. Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego? Where? Okay, you're probably too young to know the TV show, though. I think I played a game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The game is like the OG Carmen Sandiego-ness, but there was a TV show. It was like, if I recall correctly, it was like a, a cheesy kind of a game show type thing,

but like for kids. So instead of like having like a daily double, like jeopardy thing, you would like find clues or something. I honestly have almost no memories of it. I just remember the phrase of where in the world is Carmen San Diego. And I remember her like running away from someone and that's it. That's all I remember. It was so long ago. Whoa.

I played it at my like cousin's house. There is a currently running Carmen Sandiego TV series on Netflix. It's animated. What? What? What timeline am I on? it's just bringing everything back like honestly though what is even going on right now that is hilarious yeah you know apparently netflix is doing a elder scrolls tv series seriously okay that shouldn't surprise me that much especially after 50 million

dollar budget per season wow i mean after the success they had with the witcher that shouldn't surprise me that much, especially after... $150 million budget per season. Wow. I mean, after the success they had with The Witcher, that shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Wow, you know what? It looks like I was actually not that far off. Contestants pursue the international thief as junior detectives who must answer questions about geography.

Yeah, okay. So that's kind of what I said, I think. Maybe. Yeah, somewhat. Yeah, it was a children's game show. All right. There you go. Oh man. These reviews, these are amazing. A user review PBS is best. It was a children's game show. I used to love to watch when I came home from school along with wishbone. Yeah. You don't know wishbone. Ah, forget it.

I remember I didn't, I didn't watch TV much. We had like the three-channel rabbit ear thing. I just would rather do other stuff. I knew Wishbone. I only got to watch it a couple of times. But it was like, it was a cute dog that like solved mysteries or something. It was like, that is some 90s. That is some classic 90s TV programming if I've ever heard of it.

Why don't we jump right into our headline topic for the day, which is GPUs to become more expensive due to Trump administration tariffs. So these tariffs are not actually new. Sorry. Okay. No, no, no, no. Luke's going to say more words this WAN show. Luke, go ahead. Hold on.

This wasn't the headline topic. Yeah, it was, wasn't it? No, it was the 74% slower. Well, I mean, the headline topic is I hope you hate buying graphics cards because they're both terrible. Oh, okay. Due to import tariffs imposed in the U.S., the price of GPUs and motherboards will be increased by 7.5 to 25 percent oh which is

freaking huge ssds cases and power supplies that output more than 500 watts are also affected so anything gamery the msrp of the rtx 3080 is expected to go from 699 to 874 if you're able to actually buy one anyways i mean this might make it easier to get one except that didn't bitcoin just hit like 40 000 us and aren't miners like a big heavy thing right now again yeah so it's probably going to be just as hard i i literally suspect it'll just scale the scalped prices will just go up by that much. And MSRP is just going to go up by that much. And everyone's still not going to be able to get them. It's going to be just as bad as it used to be. ASUS has confirmed it needs to raise GPU and motherboard prices while basically every other company is doing it more silently.

So big rip. In 2018, the Trump administration increased import tariffs. But due to your things blocking the thing but due to pushback of oh it's blocking due to pushback specific goods fell under exemptions and basically uh over the last little while um the trump administration has just kind of like been busy trying to stay the trump administration and have not really like paid attention to certain things so yep the exemptions have expired and as of January 1st prices on your precious PC hardware goods are going way up but that's not the whole story. Yes. Prices are also probably going up due to things like increased shipping costs.

With COVID going on, everything you could possibly imagine is focusing on shipping lately. So shipping is getting more and more expensive as companies are becoming more and more utilized. Vaccines got to move around. That too. Oh my goodness. I didn't even think about that. But yeah, things need to be shipped everywhere and there's tariffs and those things are not mutually exclusive. So they're both going to apply at the same time and prices are going to go up, up, up. It is possible that the Biden administration will reverse those tariffs, but there's probably going to be a lot of other

stuff they're going to have to do immediately after taking office. So that being a notable priority is unlikely, I would suspect. Can I take a moment to kind of have a little bit of fun amidst this? Okay. Okay. So I'm Canadian. You're Canadian too. We can both be Canadian-ish.

Yeah. We're both fairly Canadian. Yeah, I'm also. You're Canadian too. We can both be Canadian-ish. We're both fairly Canadian. Yeah, I'm also fairly not. It's complicated. Relationship status is complicated. And usually in Canada, we have much higher prices on computer hardware than you guys do in America. Interesting. But because of a top secret project that I'm working on, I actually was having a conversation with a hardware manufacturer quite recently about what my pricing would be on like GPUs or CPUs

or whatever the case may be. Nothing to do with mining, just to clarify. It's actually the opposite of that. Luke, you know about the secret project. Can you confirm? Yes. Yes, I will fully confirm. It is the polar opposite of mining. But I did have to have a conversation about what wholesale prices would be from a manufacturer. And it was confirmed to me that if I'm in Canada and they ship it to Canada, my price is as much as 25% less. And when you combine that with the fact that the Canadian dollar has been on an absolute tear over the last six months,

for the first time since I think 2000, I want to say like 2008, the 2008 financial crisis, the 2008 financial crisis computer hardware will be cheaper on a like dollars to dollars basis in canada than in the usa that's pretty wild actually if you if you shipped a card like how even if how did these terror like if even if you were an individual like if an individual in canada bought a card in canada yes and then like shipped it to their friend their friend would be on the hook for the import tariffs and if their canadian friend was trying to be a nice guy there eh and uh didn't fill out the paperwork correctly there bud um the issue is that that's like uh fraud or whatever so yeah so that's bad so you don't want to do that you want to actually fill out all the import documentation correctly so that

is something i actually did ask i was like hey manufacturer so how does it work if you know i wanted to help out some american friends and they're like oh it's on you so i was like yeah it's kind of what i thought so that's the way that's the way it works um there's a lot of speculation going on in the chat you guys will not figure out what the top secret project is don't even bother trying we are not becoming a system integrator that's not happening uh i i want nothing to do with that business i've made that very clear many times in the past i was gonna say for years yeah but i just yeah i i'm not i'm not gloating or anything i'm just making an interesting observation to be clear

i'm not happy about it it's not like we're winning you guys are just losing this is a game with no winners yeah your situation did not improve you just fell further behind. Exactly. I would love for our buying power to just have caught up, but that's not what happened. Yours just fell behind. Now, in theory, the point of these tariffs is to increase U.S. jobs. reduction of computer components and electronics, there's no meaningful way to do that with the, in the grand scheme of things, negligible amount of money that the government will be collecting on these tariffs. And if you want to see, you know, how well it works to try to bring high-tech manufacturing to the US, and I don't mean like, you know, microprocessor manufacturing. That's already there. I'm talking like, you know, like motherboards and displays and stuff like that. If you want to see how successful that's likely to be, just have a look at that Foxconn project

that is like basically a ghost factory as far as anyone can tell.conn factory what is it in like wisconsin or something uh man that is like that is a fascinating that is a fascinating rabbit hole well there's new stuff this is amazing article from december 18th this is less than a month ago foxconn tells Wisconsin it never promised to build an LCD factory. What? There was like literally a groundbreaking ceremony and stuff. And that's hilarious. Yeah, it's been like a whole thing. Oh, this is from December 8th.

They demolished my house for this. Residents outraged by the Foxconn factory that fizzled. Yeah, like the thing is, is it's not as simple as just, well, we need to put the building there and we need to put the equipment there and you need to hire US workers and put them in there. Because there's a whole supply chain around building electronics

that just doesn't exist in North America anymore. So it would take years and years and years to build up that kind of manufacturing center. It would have to be coastal because even in China, a lot of the materials for that kind of manufacturing are imported. And I don't know where the heck you'd put that there it'd be an environmental disaster like i don't know how you'd ever get it off the ground and the cost would be way higher like it's just it's not feasible there's a reason that people have tried to do it and it hasn't worked because the only way electronics are as cheap as they are is that there's basically a lot of corners that have been cut in order to make them that way.

Knowing that nothing ever happened with it makes this groundbreaking picture. Oh, isn't it hilarious? Amazing. Here, yeah, let me bring it up to the stream here. But knowing that it probably still kind of looks like that if no tractorsors or people were no no they did like build stuff it's just there it's just like hiring anybody oh man it is an amazing rabbit hole because they like put up a bunch of job postings and then like hired people and then there are like interviews with these people who were hired by foxconn to like work in the States. And then

they're just like, yeah, I don't know. I quit because no one could tell me what I'm supposed to do all day. Like I had an office, but I had no instructions and no responsibilities. Like it's like they just had like a headcount quoted a hit and like it's Foxconn. So they just have like that Chinese money. So they just apparently don't care like it it's it's just bizarre it is so bizarre anyway here's the here's the ground here's the groundbreaking uh oh wow yeah that facility is definitely a thing oh yeah i've never heard of this before yeah no it's totally a thing so i forget who exactly all of these people are. That kind of looks like Paul Ryan, but I don't remember him being there.

So I don't know. I don't know what the deal is with that. Hold on a second. Here's another picture. Oh, that is Paul Ryan. Okay, so you got Paul Ryan. You got the Donald. And then you've got, this is a Foxconn bigwig of some sort.

I don't know. These are all relatively minor details in the grand scheme of things. The point is Foxconn tried um i mean now they're saying they never tried now they're saying oh we never actually we never actually committed to making a display factory but that was that that was what they said it was going to be um yeah that's that's that's yeah it's it's something uh comments on tom's hardware about the situation are pretty bleak uh loaded axe posts looks like diy pc gaming is coming to an end prices are already way too high integrated graphics or console anyone xbox series x and ps5 are looking more appealing every

day i'm feeling priced out of pc gaming says big dragon and i said it once i'll say it again i miss being able to buy a top tier gpu for about 700 us dollars it all went to before once turing came out actually that that happened a fair bit before that i mean 780 ti was how much was a 780 ti that was 700 there was stuff before that cost more than that like 6800 ultra uh was oh 500 okay well shows you what i know i could have 8800 8800 ultra was a thousand dollar graphics card i am almost 100 for all of asus's graphics cards manufactured in because they i'm looking it up right now apparently they have manufacturing in taiwan mexico and czech republic and china is all of their gpus manufactured in china like this

shouldn't affect everything because things that aren't manufactured in china yeah so the vast majority of like board manufacturing is gonna probably be done in china that aren't manufactured in China. Yeah. So the vast majority of like board manufacturing is going to probably be done in China. That doesn't mean that they necessarily make everything there. And some of those other places might be just making components that are ultimately sent to China for assembly or might utilize components that came from China. So if any part of it is made in China. I don't remember the exact details but basically the u.s is at trade war with china that doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon and pc gaming is going to be really expensive for a minute here okay in other news um the good news is that if you are have if you've been waiting for a new laptop,

for example, graphics cards, I expect this pricing to affect them pretty much immediately because with the demand for new GPUs right now, pretty much everything's going to be air shipped. So any shipment that arrives in the US after January 1st is going to be affected. But there are other product categories that are more likely to be shipped via Ocean

that could still have pre-tariff stocks sitting on shelves. So now might be a good time to pick up a gaming notebook, especially if these rumors are true. This was added to the doc by Alex. And the rumors and leaks come courtesy of notebook check, tech power-up, and video cards. And the headline is, NVIDIA's RTX 3080 Max-Q could be 74% slower than the desktop card.

I mean, if you paid attention to the numbers when we were reviewing the RTX 30 series, this might not come as a huge surprise to you. But if you weren't looking that closely, I'll give you kind of the cliff's notes. Compared to the RTX 20 series, RTX 30, in spite of the fact that it's built on a smaller manufacturing process node, is not really significantly faster in terms of performance per watt. So yes, they're a lot faster. I shouldn't say not significantly faster,

not as much as we've become accustomed to. So yes, they are faster, but they are also to an almost proportional degree, just bigger, heavier, power hungrier cards. So it's kind of less like a new generation in that sense, and more like just buying a higher end one. And it seems like NVIDIA, I mean, bless their hearts, as poorly as that turned out for everybody, NVIDIA took any kinds of efficiency improvements that they got out of moving to a smaller manufacturing process and took it straight to price. Blowing them out of the water, yeah.

You know what's hilarious is that after NVIDIA's terrible experience being, and I mean, for that matter, probably AMD, after the terrible experience that they've had being blamed for shortages because the price is so attractive and everybody wants one, we are never going to get an aggressively priced gpu ever again because nvidia nvidia is a company that never forgets okay they never forget and every time someone comes up with the brilliant idea of of pleasing gamers or you know um going really aggressive on price to spoil the launch of the new consoles

or whatever the motivation was, next time that idea gets floated around the boardroom table, I guarantee you, it's going to look kind of like this. Kind of... Oh... Yeah. kind of oh yeah are you showing something yeah the boardroom boardroom suggestion meme you know the one right okay okay yeah yeah nice okay yeah gotcha i like it yeah

hey how about we uh you know sell stuff at a good price yeah no no you're done you're out you're out that's gone never happening again so okay what does this mean we could be looking at 3080 max q performance in the neighborhood of a gtx 1080 ti to be clear gtx 1080 ti performance in a laptop i mean that's not exactly terrible that's yeah better than a kick in the feet tis can run like almost everything and at the resolutions most laptop screens are going to be running at you're probably going to be fine yeah probably gonna have a pretty darn good gaming experience as long as you don't try to turn on rtx um but you know the fact that the rtx 3080 desktop card had a 320 watt tdp has been a concern for anyone that was hoping for a powerful mobile variant.

So what it feels like is while there may be a 3080 like non-Max Q, so that would be the Max P, even that one is going to be 150 watt. is going to be 150 watt. So that whole paradigm shift that took place with Maxwell, which was the 900 series cards from NVIDIA, where they went from having like the desktop lineup, which was up here, and then the mobile lineup, which was like just completely different GPUs. With 900 series, they brought them almost to performance parity.

It was like, it was mind-blowing for us at the time because in the past you know your i'm just trying to think of like yeah let's go back to like you know 7000 series like like the old old 7000 series you know like a 7800 gt in desktop was a completely different gpu from a 7800 GT on mobile. Like the one on mobile would have been like a 7600 and it was just branded 7800. So getting this sort of branding parody for the GPU, even if they were running at slightly different clock speeds or at different power envelopes, which is what we've seen a lot of lately with max p that's max performance and max q which is maximum quietness um max q with like sort of different different thermal and power envelopes at least it's still the same gpu and that still does appear to be the case so

these are still similar classes in terms of how many cuda cores they have. No, they're not. Oh, I lied. Okay. That's specifically the difference. No, we're going back to the old way. Oh, that's a bummer. Okay. What do we have then, Luke? It's just lower everything, lower performance, lower CUDA cores. It's a totally intensely different experience to the point where naming them a similar thing is is kind of egregious um i there's a note in here somewhere i don't remember exactly where it was where they hope that they are very clear to consumers about the tgp of the mobile graphics cards and i hope that as well because it's it's not but uh not that far in the past we had like pretty close to performance

parity between the mobile and the desktop cards um and now we are we have completely thrown that in the garbage uh and that's that's not a good thing for consumers i don't actually necessarily think it's that big of a deal in terms of like what you're going to be able to do. I think the vast majority of mobile gaming experiences will be just fine if you're able to get like 1080 Ti level of performance. But what you're expecting and like what you're reading online versus what you're going to get is probably going to be a confusing experience for a very large amount of consumers that aren't extremely dialed in. Yeah. So let's go through some of these speeds and feeds because they do kind of matter.

If tech power up is correct, the RTX 3080 Max-Q, so that's the more power efficient model, will have an 80 watt TDP. So that's total, what is it? Thermal design power or total design power or whatever it is so basically it's allowed to consume 80 watts and it'll be clocked at 780 megahertz base 1245 boost for reference that boost is less than the base clock of a desktop 3080 so desktop 3080 is 1440 base 1710 boost that's yeah it's not off by like 50 or something like it's the the boost is off by a considerable amount than the base and it uses the same ga104 gpu so it is still the same silicon-ish but the max q is going to have only 61,044 CUDA cores enabled compared to the desktop's 8704.

So it's more than just a clock. Yeah, it's more than just a clock speed difference. So both of those things, if you drop your CUDA cores by 20%, you are basically looking at a 20-ish percent performance drop. If you drop your clock speed by 20%, you are basically looking at like a 20% performance difference. If if you drop your clock speed by 20 you are basically looking at like a 20 performance difference if you do both of those things they kind of stack like it's it's

not quite it's not just the 40 because of 20 from both it's like it's worse no no it's it's less worse it should be less worse than that but it's it's still it's terrible um there's some good news though so the 3080 max p will be 150 watts and boost up to 1545 for those who do need more performance but because that's a 150 watt gpu you can expect that to only be present in either very thick or very cleverly designed laptops now when luke says that this is a bad thing for consumers he doesn't mean like you know oh it's tragic we're gonna have fewer fps for our games yeah well no one think of the gamers it's not like that it's just that it's bad for consumers when marketing versus reality doesn't have a strong correlation and especially when and

i would i would bring this up too is like i mentioned the like not that long ago we found this performance parity between mobile and desktop cards that was uh i would say at least rather heavily marketed yes it was. Absolutely. Since then, and now we're in a situation where it's like very, very notable and rather intense performance differences is kind of a shame. I mean, you say not that long, but it's long enough that I kind of got used to this being how it was going to be forever-ish. So, even, it would be very easy to accidentally buy the wrong thing. Like you could buy. Yes. be very easy to accidentally buy the wrong thing like you could buy yeah with okay so there are 10 plus different models at the various different uh frame buffer amounts and uh like thermal and

power limits 10 plus different models that will be called rtx 3080 mobile with very different performance characteristics so you could easily be trying to compare you know this thin and light laptop with an rtx 3080 and this super heavy chonky thing with an rtx 3080 and they're the same price and think oh well they're well they both have an rtx 3080 i'll just get the one that's like thinner and sexier but the difference in performance could be enormous and it could even get to the point in fact probably will where you could have like a chunkier laptop design with an rtx 3070 max p so that's a max performance that would be more performant than a thin laptop with an rtx 3080 max q even though the thick one is cheaper, it could actually be faster with a lower model number.

So, I mean, it's almost gotten to the point where it feels like kind of how 80 Plus stepped in and was like, okay, there needs to be a third party that certifies power supplies for their efficiency to be clear 80 plus is not a perfect system oh geez yeah and how the heck would you apply that here at all but i see where you're going though i think there will i think there could be a way to apply it i think that if if nvidia and amd got in touch with steve from gamers nexus and we're like okay design us no i'm serious nexus

rating design us yeah design us a nexus a nexus rating system for how fast the graphics card is for this thing i think something like that could actually have a value at this point i know i know 3d mark exists i'm aware of of it. But it's terrible. It doesn't tell us anything really useful just because of the way the scores are derived and the fact that they don't really correlate to real-world performance in actual games. And I have no idea how this certification system

could ever get off the ground because game developers would have to license their games for use in testing. And you might think, oh, well, game developers would love this because it's just extra exposure for their game. Why would they ever say no? But I had the most bizarre experience, not ever because I've seen a lot of bizarre stuff being in this industry for this long, but I had a very bizarre experience in an Intel showroom at one point

where they were showing off some next generation onboard graphics or something. And on the little card next to the prototype, it was like, can run Fortnite at playable frame rates at these settings. And then the game that they were running on, it was like Counter-rike and i was like hey so you guys know that fortnite is like the biggest thing in the world right now why is fortnite not running on the laptop and they're like because we couldn't get them to agree to let us run it for the demo that would actually be kind of cool, like a sticker from a third-party agency that gave you five to ten even current, like I'd say important to the average consumer games

and their certified performance levels. Yep. That would be pretty cool. I mean, there are system integrators that try to do this to an extent, and there are some that even try to spit out how many FPS that you'll get. So it's not like this doesn't exist on an SI level,

but it's not being done well at all on mobile. I would like to see your 30, 60, and plus things for each game. These are the settings that you can run to get this frame rate certified on this laptop that would be cool i think that would be genuinely very helpful for consumers not like one score for the laptop as a whole but like a bunch of different games because drivers and stuff are going to be issues there yeah that's fair that's actually yeah that's not a bad idea so this is like an a for uh fortnite and it's like a b for call of duty and it's a c for cyberpunk because nothing can run yeah because

you could have a a gamer that's only really interested in like fortnite league of legends and counter-strike um and if it if it scores really highly in those games, then great. They don't really necessarily care about the rest. The only way to really do that is to keep industry from like influencing it though. Like, cause think about it. Think about how much pressure there's going to be. So if I'm Best Buy, right. Let's look at all the players, right? So there's the manufacturers, there's the game developers,

there's the retailers, the resellers. These are a few of the players that are going to be trying to exert influence on a program like this. If I'm the manufacturer, I want only the games that are going to reflect favorably on my machine to be shown on the little tag. If I'm a game developer developer i don't want my game used to validate any machine that it's a bad experience on i'd just rather you don't mention me at all if i'm a retailer i don't want to put anything i mean you know the you know good better

best right you know in terms of product segmentation nobody ever wants to call anything bad so everything has to be good better best and then if i'm a truly independent certification body that wants to provide meaningful information to consumers i have to be able to say no look i need to be able to put an f on something i have to be able to fail something or give it a c and and you know what? Sorry, CD Projekt Red. I'm sorry. But, you know, the vast majority, like there's literally no machine on the shelf of a Best Buy that is going to provide an A experience in this game. So that's just the reality of it. I'm sorry. I can't move the bar for you. But every one of those. And so every one of those players is able to exert

pressure because manufacturers can just say, OK, well, then we just won't submit our machine for certification. Game developers can say, okay, then we just won't license you to use our game for your testing. And retailers will say, okay, well, then we're just not going to put your certification on the shelf because it makes the products look bad and hurt sales. So if you don't give in to our pressure and just give everything an A, then we just won't use it. And there's no way to win. I think the only potential way that I wouldn't even get around all those concerns at all, but it would hopefully maybe alleviate them a little bit, maybe enough. I'm not sure is to only show the things on there that get that good sort of good better best certification everybody's going to try to get you to not show anything bad until there's nothing left to show and there is

no certification program well no because there would be some things that the computer is going to be good at um or it's not a gaming pc like kind of one of the two yeah but it just it ends up not meaningful because if all you can say is good things like i don't know i get a lot of people complaining to me that i'm too critical like why are you so critical it's like because it's my job if all i said was good things i would just be the product manufacturer why don't you just go on their website why do you bother watching my video if all you want to hear is good things and you kind of need both sides. You need super critical

and you need kind of more positive angles, I guess. I embrace my role. Yeah. So yeah, even if you started out with the best of intentions, I just don't think that a program like that could work. Now, I mean, talking about it makes me like want to do it. Like, oh yeah, this wouldn't be that hard.

You just get laptops in. You could kind of automate all the testing to a significant degree. It spits out a report that basically goes, yeah, here was the acoustics and thermals the whole time. So you can basically just like you drop it in an acoustic chamber. You could totally do it.

You could totally do it. You could totally do it. It would be freaking awesome and then it just probably wouldn't even need um line of sectors probably wouldn't even need like support from anybody you could just do it we could just do it it would be it would be a significant upfront investment in proper testing equipment because you can't tell the story of fps until you tell the story of thermals and acoustics especially with a completed device like a laptop because remember that's the concern with desktops from my perspective it's basically on you if you buy a

case that doesn't have any ventilation and your graphics card doesn't perform properly like if you're building a system then you kind of have to do a little bit of research. But when you buy a completed goods product, like a laptop, that's been, in my opinion, misleadingly marketed in this case, I think you have a right to have a number that's actually meaningful shown to you. And there's all kinds of other problems because you know for example some manufacturers have multiple modes that the laptop can operate in so testing ones like that could become a very very cumbersome process where you have to like put it in cpu oc mode and then fan turbo mode and then non-cpu oc mode non-fan turbo mode and then gpu oc mode and then fan turbo mode and then non-cpu oc mode non-fan turbo mode and then gpu oc mode and

then that like so you're testing the same system you know eight ten different times with all the different you really want to automate it for sure yeah but there's a lot of those things that wouldn't be possible to automate like you'd have to come back and press the button to put it in you know silence optimized mode and then run it again. Yeah. We should probably jump into one of our, actually, we should probably talk sponsors today because we have to end the stream at a reasonable time because we have another stream coming shortly after this one. It's going to be over on Twitch and Flowplane.

We are doing a memorial stream for Tyler, one of the members of our team who um tragically passed away during the holiday this year it's going to be to support tyler's family with some of the funeral costs um and then i think if they if they beat that target there there's also um a charity that he cared about that they're going to be contributing to so stay tuned guys because we've got that coming after the wan show today i think the plan is 7 p.m pacific yeah yvonne's giving me the nod um we're gonna be playing uh a game that he that he loved in tabletop simulator uh it should be should be really good from like a like not a, not like a, I mean, yeah. It'll be nice to sit and remember him for a bit.

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hang it on the wall and yeah just flipping to a random one sure thursday january 20 oh no i'm one with a why don't you do your uh why don't you do your social media birthday do you have a social media birthday no i just have a birthday i have a birthday oh really yeah i wish i was to have a social media birthday yeah i didn't think of that originally i had one but it was like way too fake it was like saying that i was like 80 or something so um in 2017 on november 12th a representative from electronic arts infamously leaves the most downvoted that was on my birthday the most downvoted comment in the history of reddit regarding how long it took to unlock certain characters in the game star wars battlefront

2 i remember that very vividly that's actually pretty cool all right what's my birthday hit me with my birthday i will neither confirm nor deny if this is my fake or real birthday but i would like to hear the uh i'd like to hear my my tech quickie horoscope from august 20th okay people are like no spoilers hold on and then someone's like 20 for that are you kidding do you have any idea how long it took john and sarah to do this and it's it's like mostly a bundle item so most people are going to get it for free yeah so free for that yeah that sounds awesome cry more oh wow do you did you know what this one was no i i don't okay august 20th uh 1986 uh lannis sebastian of lannis oh you gotta be kidding me he put that in there okay i actually did not know that was gonna happen that's hilarious

okay that's really funny i don't know how to i don't know how to tell john this because if i am like hey that's pretty funny he'll know that i didn't proof it um but if i don't say anything then he might feel bad because then he'll know i didn't ever prove it oh my goodness that's even more funny i don't know okay so far jumping through to just two random dates this has been great i'm i'm excited yeah this is cool cool uh well good work thank you floatplane team for it happen. Let's jump into our next topic here. It was a matter of time. WhatsApp to start compulsory information sharing with Facebook.

By the way, Han, we probably need to switch off WhatsApp. Signal, Telegram, something like that. Signal. I've been using Signal for quite a while now, and I love it. It's great. I haven't compared them recently because it hasn't really been a concern for me. I've been like,

yeah, whatever. Facebook owns WhatsApp. Who cares? I'll just use it anyway. Cause it's very convenient and works really well. Um, but I guess,

I don't know. I might have to, it didn't signal just recently launched video calling. Like, didn't they like just finally get across the line of like feature parody enough that we could switch without caring i'm not sure because i've like never video called through either of those services it's not a thing i care about but um that would be pretty funny if that was the case can we have a side conversation

here for a second here what is up with video calling just just kind of all sucks um who i see people doing this i see people doing it they carry their phone around with them they got their phone out in front of their face and they're like walking down the street having a video call why yeah i don't know i i genuinely have no idea i that's a that's a category of person that I have definitely never been a part of and I feel like I've known very few people that were a part of it okay because I just like for me it's like I I I don't I don't know I don't know how to talk about my objections to it without maybe sounding like a bit of a jerk or something so maybe I'll just I'll just roll i just don't get it personally like it feels like it's so much

more effort for especially when you're like walking around randomly it's like mildly obnoxious it sounds like a lot more effort and for like what actual gain i don't i don't know so that person not seen you i i don't know i mean okay i can see flipping it on momentarily like for example the badminton center that i uh set up with that video gear um they were they were having trouble with like some cable or something and i was like oh why don't you just like flip on video and it's like oh yeah yeah let's do that and they pointed at the thing and i was able to walk yeah so like it has, it absolutely has a purpose. I have used video calling before

to get extremely not tech savvy people to show me their screen so that I can verbally use their mouse for them to install TeamViewer so that I can actually control their computer. It's been very helpful for that. 100%. Jason Roach says, Linus, I video

call at the supermarket. The missus is vegan and I need to know what to buy. 100%. So when you need to convey something that is much easier with video, that's fine. But why do you need to stare at each other's face while you're talking? I don't understand it. For like a more formal meeting, I don't understand it. For like a more formal meeting, I don't mind it. But if I'm just talking to friends, my phone's in my pocket and I've got my headphones in so that I can like do other things because quite frankly, I'm not going to focus 100% of my attention on you. I don't know.

I mean, my wife does it from time to time. Vaughn, why do you video call? With who? Just anyone. I don't know. I mean, my wife does it from time to time. Vaughn, why do you video call? With who? Just anyone. I don't. Yeah, you do sometimes. You video call. Oh, with my sister who's far away?

Yeah. And I don't see them and I don't see the kids? Yeah. You want to see them? Why? See how much they've grown. Okay. Okay.

So, okay. Okay. A relative with kids. You want to see how they're growing up? I haven't seen each other in a long time. Yeah. And you're, like, really far apart. Yeah.

It's nice to see each other. It makes you feel closer. It makes you feel closer. Okay, well, there you go. There it is. She's tried to video call me while I've been traveling for work before, and I'm just like, do we have to? Do we need to?

Well, no, but the kids want to and i'm like see their generation is just going to be like well you know why wouldn't you just turn the feature on dad it's right there it doesn't take any more effort exactly yeah it's literally on by default what's wrong with you you know what this is really interesting i was talking to my dentist. I was there yesterday getting the wire put on my braces and he's very chatty. My dentist is hilarious. So he's just going on about whatever random garbage. And he's like, yeah, did you hear about how there's a big uptick in cosmetic surgery lately? And I'm like, no, I didn't. And honestly, that's totally counterintuitive to me because I would think with all the limitations around dating and going out in public and like hosting parties and just all those like social gatherings with all those limitations, I would actually think

people would be less inclined to do something like that. Not, not, um, and that's ignoring like the sort of the increase in risk and exposure of being in like a medical facility you know during during these times but then he's like no no no no it's all about zoom meetings and i was like what why he's like yeah apparently it's just like psychologically it has to do with looking at your own face far more frequently seeing all those imperfections and wanting to fix them so you're checking your own camera feed and identify and being way more self-conscious of yourself just like multiple times throughout the day and another another angle on that that i also kind of thought of is if you are someone who is not working,

like let's say you work in a field where you are like me, okay, where video or pictures of you are taken every day. Let's say you're off work because you're like an actor or something and your productions are shut down. Hey, that's a perfect time to get a tune-up. So it could be one of either things. Either because you're not seeing people you could go and you know get some tweaks done or because you're seeing people every day you feel more self-conscious and you go get get some tweaks done and he was like yeah yeah apparently it's been like a big

thing like they're they're overrun they're inundated i'm like wow oh people you so so funny you so funny i don't think i will ever consider anything in that realm ever under any circumstance other than like being maimed. You know what's funny? I would have said that at one point in time or another. And I had a conversation with I'm not going to name them just because I don't know if they're like chill with their views on this being out in the public. But I had a conversation on a work trip you know how like the deep conversations tend to happen on like those overnight crazy trips where nobody sleeps anyway yep and i was kind of i was brought around to the point where i would at least think about it um because before i was

like hard no and then i was, I would at least consider this. And the argument was, you know what, what is the difference between what you've already done? I've had dental work done, for example. It's not like I couldn't eat before. Like it's it was purely cosmetic. And they're like, what's the difference if there's a relatively uninvasive thing that you can do to make yourself look and feel better who cares and i was like i just feel like like okay i'm just gonna embrace my oldness because i i personally it's it's not none of it for me is like there's there's no like moral battle here like i don't think it's a bad thing to do i don't look down on people that do it i don't care at all um but it's just i for me personally i find it less attractive i don't mean like oh i find you hot i mean like just

in general i find it less attractive when people try to hide like they're aging or whatever else like if someone's like balding and they like grow out a foot of hair on the back of their head and then just like wrap it around the rest of their head like that's i don't i'm not into that personally but if like okay like my dad started balding he's like okay just shaved it all off like i i think that's cooler in my opinion so that's your that's your angle that's your yeah i don't know that's my thing but then again i don't push that on anyone else so i just i probably wouldn't do it because i'm just yeah i'm just not into it so the line for this colleague that i again i don't want to name the line for this colleague was maintenance is chill but like for them anyway this was their personal opinion that i'm just

kind of sharing with you guys their Their personal opinion was maintenance is chill, but making like noticeable changes. Like becoming a different person. Yeah, like becoming looking like a different person. They were like, yeah, I'm not that cool with that. Of course, you know, one of the reasons that everyone has such a different take on this is that everyone was born in a different body and has. So personal. Yeah, it's so personal 100 personal so it's it's you know it's all fine and good for you know someone who was happened to

be born with the gift of amazing looks to say yeah i look down on cosmetic surgery anyone who does it is disgusting by the way you know how do you like my you know perfectly shaped breasts and pouty lips and you know smoky eyes that i don't even you know i happened to be born my, you know, perfectly shaped breasts and pouty lips and, you know, smoky eyes that I don't even, you know, I happened to be born with black, you know, lines along my eyes. I don't even need eyeliner. I look down on makeup, you know, like it's very easy depending on how someone was, was born for them to, um, for them to have a different perspective. If it's going to like make, in my opinion, if it's going to make a notable improvement in your life to like do whatever just do it like i don't i don't care at all just for me personally i feel like i would be happier and more confident in myself if i just embraced

whatever was going on again you know you happen to be tall blue-eyed, blonde. But beard doesn't go in properly. Is there cosmetic surgery for thicker beards? Have you seen before and afters of Elon's head? That's true, actually. I posted just a tongue-in-cheek. I posted a picture of Jeff Bezos on Twitter a month ago or something like that. of jeff bezos on twitter like a like a month or so ago or something like that and i was like the caption was scientific proof that every hair loss prevention um like here is a scam because the richest man in the world not anymore the richest man in the world is you know spearballed right

and then i think it's about all the all the money that his ex-wife currently holds like if they didn't break up i think he'd probably still be the richest man and then a ton of the comments were like um actually with before and afters of elon musk elon musk and i was like i see actually they look the cures look pretty good it looks like as long as you've got a cool 100 billion or whatever he's worth these days you can you can take care of that how yeah real quick styles elon knows the way it's like he's solving the big problems the world has like how to get to mars and how to make sure that you can have a full head of hair as long as you got the money for it yeah um so there's a ton of comments about this topic you guys are like super engaged on the topic i think i think quite a few people like feel very personally about it.

That's interesting. And like, and like, I think a lot of people also judge other people's actions here quite a bit. Yeah, totally. So we've got people saying I've had to get it. It's hard to figure out where to stop.

There's always more to get. That's really interesting. Cause for me as someone who's like only thought about it and kind of like a theoretical way, um, who's like only thought about it in kind of like a theoretical way um it's like yeah i could totally see how just like like anything like uh getting into rc cars for example you get a starter car you go out and like you rip it around one time right and you're like oh man i wish i wish i had four-wheel drive or oh man i wish i got the brushless motor. Or like, why didn't I spring for the LiPo battery?

Lithium polymer. Lithium polymer is what I was talking about. Lithium polymer battery. It's the type of battery for RC cars. Okay, the point is, the first time you like go for a ride on the subway and you like get 10% more looks or whatever. I can see how something like that, the kind of endorphin hit you might get might make you like inclined to go back and get

one more thing or one more thing or whatever else. Javier says, what about Botox for wrinkles? I don't know. For me personally, I've always looked like this when I smile. I went back and looked at a picture of myself when I was like 16 and like i've always been like this so i really don't think there's any solution for it for me yeah you mentioned it like a couple years ago and i was like what i guess you're like i'm old i have crow's feet now and i was like what are you talking about it was okay they are a little heavier like so even when i'm not really smiling that much they're there now and they kind of like okay they're pretty good um i'm doing okay but uh what would you do what would i do personal question you don't have to answer but like you said you've kind of vaguely thought about it so like what are what have you vaguely thought

so for me the biggest things like i'm pretty i'm pretty comfortable in my own skin the only things that i really do i'll get you know what fine you know what screw it let's get real personal here um the only things i really do maintenance wise is like hair hair maintenance including uh eyebrows and that's after years of pressure from my wife and also it's gotten worse if i let it go it really does start to connect these days and i'm like oh yeah it's really it's not that much effort and once you pull them a few times a they start to come in less thick because you kind of kill the follicles by pulling them out repeatedly and b they don't hurt as much because they have like a looser grip so it's really not that bad anymore um i went back and i got my teeth straightened. That was both a cosmetic concern and a practical concern, though.

So if you look, I don't know, they're quite like down here and then they're kind of crowded here. So what happens when you get crowding like that is they're harder to clean, which makes it more likely for you to get cavities, which makes it more likely for you to get cavities which makes it more likely for you to um well lose your front teeth and for me as someone who is a public figure um i don't consider um losing my front teeth to be really an option it's it's sort of part of appearing nice on camera. And I remember my mom explaining this to me when they spent money we didn't have to have my teeth corrected in the first place. Because I used to have a fairly significant overbite. And I had the crowding before. And it was fixed before.

But then over time, it's kind of gone back together. And it's over time, it's kind of gone back together. And my mom basically said, I'm making this investment in your personal appearance because straight teeth is about more than just looks. It's a it's like an indicator of class and it will give you more success in life. And I was like, whoa, mom, that is like some hardcore. That's deep. That is like some hardcore stuff to be talking about and like that's kind of like a really weird reason to get braces for your kid but it's it's also i

i don't make the rules for how the world works she's not wrong um and you know how parents tend to have an attitude that they want their kids to have opportunities that they that they didn't enjoy. And so for her, this was one of those things that was like, no, you absolutely need to you absolutely need to have straight teeth because people will judge you. They will judge so much about you based on your smile and i i had a very significant overbite which combined with my already kind of large two front teeth um i think i look kind of like this i can't even do it anymore because part of the correction was i used to have an overbite that was like this big like i kid you not i could take like i could take the tops off of cans and stuff with my front teeth. I'd be like, I shouldn't, you shouldn't do that kids. That probably wasn't good.

Not a good idea. But like, I could put my pinky finger in the gap between my bottom teeth and my front teeth, like all the way up there. Like I had a huge overbite. And, um, so one of the things that I got was these bite blocks that slide your lower jaw forward. And it's been annoying because my teeth don't like like they don't mesh up perfectly anymore. Like they kind of meet like this and like like it's weird because my jaw has been moved so much like it's kind of cracks sometimes and stuff like it's it's not like it's perfect, but it looks way better. Like my smile's not obviously way crooked and, uh, and like hugely overbitten and stuff. Um, so yeah, teeth I would do. And I did, I'm just trying to think of like what else I could. I've never personally until literally this stream i have never counted teeth but they're the

same thing it for sure i'm not against i'm just it's not something i considered i never thought of braces as like because i i had braces growing up too and for uh the parents probably financial situations and reasons were kind of pretty in line like didn't really have the money for it um but like i know i i remember i don't remember the conversation as vividly but i remember some of the reasons being kind of similar like this is going to be important later yeah we need to do it now it's expensive but we want to do it right it's an investment in like your future is kind of your future this is very important and i hated it and it bugs me like crazy but funny i was super into it you're doing it anyways i used to like now right no no no i i

got braces when i was like uh i i went to i went man my first day of high school i showed up with braces and fluorescent pink hair um it was i don't mind the braces from like a social standpoint thing i didn't care about that i found them annoying um and i think after quite a while having them i got much more used to it but they're really annoying at first i still have a bar below my behind my lower teeth i actually love that because i scratch my tongue on it all the time theoretically they're taking that out when i'm like 40 something and i don't even want them to it's probably gonna be super weird you know what i think made me so enthusiastic about it i told my mom and i told my orthodontist one thing i said please no headgear and they tried to talk me into it they were like well you know what if you only had to wear it for so many days a week or so many hours

a day or whatever i was like please no headgear They found a way to do it without headgear. And that made me extremely happy. And so I was just like, I was all in. Like I completed my appliances was what the things to slide my jaw forward. I completed them so much faster than they expected because they're like, yeah, crank the thing once a week. It was like to widen my palate and move my,

so I had to widen my whole jaw. Oh, I forgot about that about that part right i had to widen my jaw because i had no um no space you can see i don't have enough space here still and they actually had to disc some of my teeth disking even compared to the cavity drill is the most unpleasant dental experience i have ever had in my life and i've had my i've had my bottom wisdom teeth out they take we're so far off of tech it is it is exactly what it sounds like luke they take pretty much a dremel and they grind between your teeth it's like they slip it's the most it's the most terrifying like bone that's uncomfortable and i don't think it'll ever happen to me. That's still so uncomfortable.

I did wisdom teeth out while I was awake. Disking was worse. It was 20 years ago, Luke. I still get the hair standing up on the back of my neck when I think about it. It's so disgusting.

I hated it. I don't know what else like i kind of embrace my giant nose at this point i still remember having just the funniest conversation with my mom where um i forget exactly how it went but um she basically said like you you know, I never noticed before, but you have a really big nose. And I was like, really? Because you never look at yourself from the side. And so I like, yeah, I like got my digital camera at the time and I like took a picture of myself from the side. I was like, wow, I have like a honking big nose.

But I'm like, I'm into it. I'm okay with it. I call it a royal nose, you know? Like it's a regal nose. Dominant nose. I mean, it's the only thing on my body that's like, you know, big for my size, right? So I gotta...

I gotta stick with it, you know? Oh no. Oh, no. Oh, jeez. You got to enjoy the small victories. The small... Oh, my goodness. It's like if it was down to who had the biggest nose and the smaller nose gets voted off the island,

I have a chance, you know? Victory. Yes. All right. Yeah, I don't know. i've always thought that i would like maybe um fix things i don't know like if i was in an accident or something oh yeah yeah i would i'd want to be myself yeah exactly i'd like to restore um and okay so on that note then okay fine like it comes down to those kinds of like those philosophical like those deep questions those 3am questions you know like what age would you be if you were in heaven man right so like what is your true self yeah is it your 18 year old self your 25 year old self your 36 year old self who knows right

so like what is yourself so from that perspective whether it's the ravages of a bike accident or whether it's the ravages of time is it any more or less wrong i don't know i'm not in a position to answer that question okay well i think that yeah i think that's an individual thing you got to answer that for yourself yeah i can't think of i can't think of much else that i would change i mean my eyes are super uneven which is something that i also mostly notice when i'm on like a cheap webcam because there tends to be a little bit more lens distortion and i'll be like oh yeah right oh yeah that's my ears are uneven too they're off by like this much like it's quite substantial and i think my eyes are too so i have to kind of hold if you look okay i'll go right in front of the camera

here so i have to hold my head at this angle for my eyes to be level so you'll never be able to unsee it now i honestly i can barely even i don't think you can really fix that you don't like notice these things about people like i never really noticed if people's ears or eyes are off or like if they like i i didn't know that you had a big nose until you told me that you had a big nose i don't even remember when that was but like i know that you have a big nose still only now because i know that you've told me like i've never really visually noticed it i don't know a really fun one um i remember doing this with like a friend years and years ago is you take a picture of yourself and then you copy paste like the mirror image of both of them and you everyone

has everyone has a good side 100 like one of my sides i was like dang and the other side i was like we got people in chat decide that you always want to like if you have to have a side profile like the one that you want i don't remember what mine is, but I have one too. People are like, what is this stream even? I'm not 100% sure. Facebook will be forcing compulsory information sharing for WhatsApp. So there's a whole bunch of stuff. Information to be collected includes user phone numbers, other people's phone numbers and stored address books,

profile names, profile pictures, status messages messages including when a user was last online diagnostic data collected from app logs um well that we should like we should like take a minute on the show and just like get everyone that's watching to uninstall it i'm gonna do it right now i'm uninstalling it right now a spokeswoman to Ars Technica said this is part of a previously disclosed move to allow businesses to store and manage WhatsApp chats using Facebook's infrastructure. Wow. The new privacy policy and terms of service are now more than 8,000 words long and filled with legal jargon. And it does not apply in Europe due to stronger privacy legislation there. Good job, Europe. All right, so I think I'm going to try and get

the people that I talk with a lot to switch to Signal. We'll move to Signal for our family and hope that that lasts. I can't remember which one's better, Signal or Telegram. You said you were into Signal right now? I like Signal. I've been using Signal for quite some time now. I have also heard very good things about Telegram.

I'm not going to war one against the other necessarily, but I like Signal. Cool. All right. IKEA created furniture for the next-gen consoles. This is pretty sick. This was posted by soldier underscore PH on the forums. Womp womp. There they are. soldier underscore ph on the forums womp womp there they are which ikea media storage unit will be able to fit my new uh memeshly oversized gaming console haha there's no way that's the

actual thing in ikea wait is it really memeshly you've got to be kidding me there's no way that's got to be like uh like a mock-up or fake thing or something uh okay at any rate we've got a couple more things to go through real quick but uh the tyler memorial stream is supposed to be starting in like nine minutes so we got to go very soon here um trump was censored on various social media sites so that happened oh wait breaking news he got a permaban on twitter as of 3 22 today seriously permaban i didn't think they would ever do it. Yep, I heard about that.

After close review of recent tweets from the at real Donald Trump account and the context around them, we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence. Look at that. Wow. So that's what it finally took. I have been using Twitter less and less over time, so I heard about it but didn't even check. Shopify took down some stores. Twitch and Snapchat disabled the president's accounts. Facebook and Instagram banned him from posting for at least the next two weeks.

Crazy. Apple has threatened to remove Parler, a social media platform popular with many of Trump's supporters, from the App Store within's supporters from the app store within 24 hours if the app doesn't begin moderating or removing extremist content dang it's like huh that's crazy people have been talking about parlor and and a couple other apps similar i i believe similar to parlor over the last little bit and i've just been kind of thinking this whole time like they're i'm sure they have websites i've never used them but they're they're from my understanding very app based and that still means that you're beholden to

the the platforms that distribute the app yes you're not you're you're still you you still you're not you're you're still you you still have to deal with something else that can censor your your platform so i've been kind of waiting for this to happen and i'm very unsurprised reddit has also reported that they have taken action to ban the community r slash donald trump given repeated policy violations in recent days regarding the violence at the u.s capital interesting that's not an official group or page even it's it's a community one and i'm quite surprised that they've uh that they've taken that step every everything related to this seems especially from the outside very surprisingly coordinated like this all seems very surprisingly coordinated and so does all the stuff that happened at the capital but i don't i don't think we should necessarily get into that.

I'm just baffled that compared to, you know, a lot of other stuff that happened in the last four years and like a lot of other people that have died in the last four years that all of a sudden it's a big deal now. Yeah, go figure. What a world we live in, isn it it's quite odd but in other news uh switch modders find evidence of a switch pro in the latest switch update and 4k in docked mode may be a possibility that's all there is to really say about that um yeah let's not talk about that you think they have actual dock hardware now?

Dock Pro? Because this was something we were talking about before the Switch came out. This is like before the original Switch came out. This is something I believe we talked about on WAN Show. I believe you and I debated about whether or not there would be hardware in the dock, like an upscaler or anything else. And it ended up not being true.

I don't remember which side either of us were on about that topic but i think i wanted it to be true but i don't remember what i actually thought was going to happen um but this might be it now there might be a doc pro um if it's going to act differently when it's docked i don't know maybe all right i gotta run because i uh have to troubleshoot yvonne's webcam for the stream today i will do just a couple super chats here there were a couple that were like really big you guys are crazy you shouldn't send big super chats um but thank you for wasting your money ian reicher says been watching for years never seen you live just wanted to say you got me into it and started school over four years ago. Also, I have a squeaky voice too, so keep it online. I just love

you. Metallic HD says, joined the stream late, but anyway, how are you guys and girls doing? I'm all right. Thank you. Jonatas says, here in Brazil, I bought an RX 6800 non-XT with our huge taxes over everything that's imported. was about 933 dollars at final price yeah import duties suck and they're a bummer wherever they're involved ryan says sorry for being serious with the recent issues in the u.s does floatplane intend to change their hands-off approach to content creators right now we don't have anyone problematic so that makes life really really easy it's pretty neat um here comes alex says gonna delay building a gaming rig for my new kitten a gaming rig for your new kitten okay that's a very strange uh comment

maybe he has to delay building the gaming rig because of the new kitten uh um uh okay i don't know uh just an idea okay i think that's pretty much it thank you guys so much for tuning in we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye bye uh dark haddo i'm not wearing a headset, I'm wearing Sennheiser AP-300. That's cool. Not exactly, so that waiting on full-plane supercat ammo. Well that's okay, I saw you, I saw you. And... in brief.