The WAN Show - I Love Corporate Greed - WAN Show May 12, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 You're in live. Sick. What? What? Really? What's up, everyone? Welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today.

Starting point is 00:00:23 First and foremost, as you guys can see from the title We've got to talk about what shameless shills we are Yeah Shilling for ASUS and sponsored by them And not addressing the big controversy Which obviously we'll be talking about on the WAN show Where we usually talk about such things We're also going to be talking about Google I.O.

Starting point is 00:00:40 Man, it was an A.I. extravaganza this year. What else we got this week? YouTube blocks ad block. What? Counter block. No, I'm going to block their block of my block. I don't know how to follow that. Because you got blocked.

Starting point is 00:01:00 Oh, man. We already talked about the former Uber CSso being found guilty for concealing a data breach so maybe we should talk about how a chinese company released a new cpu oh okay we could also talk about uh smart watches that you can no longer set the time on oh wow yeah what i rolled the intro you can't see because we don't have the preview down. Yeah. All right, guys. In all seriousness, we've got to talk about the big controversy that has been making big waves in the techosphere

Starting point is 00:01:52 over the last, I mean, realistically, the whole thing started a few weeks ago when we saw that CPU that got popped and burned on the bottom. We talked about that on WAN Show. We did talk about that on WAN Show. Some people have said, hey, what's up with you guys not talking about this at all? We actually did.

Starting point is 00:02:07 And then we've been kind of waiting to learn more, and learn more we have. Gamers Nexus has completed their series of videos about what's been going on with Ryzen X 3D chips that have been, well, I think blowing up is probably a little bit melodramatic, but burning up is certainly a way that we could describe them due to higher than anticipated voltages being applied by particularly some motherboard manufacturers, BIOSes and ASUS seems to be at the center of this controversy. Now, there's been a lot of questions under our review of the ROG Ally

Starting point is 00:02:42 that went up yesterday asking why that... You know, I didn't even say the word under our review of the ROG ally that went up yesterday asking why that... You know, I didn't even say the word because I couldn't find my swear button. The point is, why haven't we addressed this? And why are we shilling for Isus when everyone else is mad trying to... Okay. You wouldn't like him when he's angry. It was a review of a handheld. That was the embargo lift day.

Starting point is 00:03:08 There was no coordinated anything. If it was sponsored, you'd know, because it would have said, it was sponsored by Dbrand for crying out loud. It's a showcase or something, right? Look, I've had my fair share of controversies over the last couple of years. And in some cases, man, I had it coming.

Starting point is 00:03:27 But this is one of those ones that I'm looking at going, hey, hold on. Wait a minute. What? We don't even review motherboards. And haven't for like a really long time. that we've uploaded in the last year was on some weird one that we got off Reddit that had an AMD CPU socket, but was a Z490 chipset. It was some chipset that never got released.

Starting point is 00:03:53 And we're like, hey, cool. I want to play with that. Yeah, that's a little different. We don't review motherboards. So the reason that we haven't covered it yet is because there hasn't been WAN show yet. That's why we didn't cover it. Also, man,

Starting point is 00:04:06 the conspiracy theories... No, you're a shill. The conspiracy theories about how paid off that ROG Ally video was, I don't even know what to tell you guys. We opened the video criticizing ASUS for their shady marketing of the thing.

Starting point is 00:04:21 Because I was pissed. I got brought in to do this preview where they go, okay, you know, yeah, blah, blah, blah, up to two times faster, and then I'm sitting here going, okay, now that we've tested this more extensively, these up-tos are not great. So the first thing we did

Starting point is 00:04:38 was go after them for shady marketing. Do you honestly search your soul? Do you honestly believe that anyone at a Seuss marketing approved us criticizing their shady marketing anyway the truth is almost a week before Jay posted his video, we had already informed ASUS that if they didn't deal with some unrelated issues related to customer service that had popped up on our forum, we were going to be putting all of our sponsor deals with them

Starting point is 00:05:18 on pause. The good news is that we can kind of get through everything that they have said in response to that, as well as the update that we've gotten from them today about what they're doing regarding the whole beta-bio situation. But before we do that, we need to catch you guys up if you're not sure what the heck has been going on. So ASUS responded to the overheating slash burning up, I think is really a better way to put it, overheating issue with Ryzen 7000X 3D chips

Starting point is 00:05:47 with a rapid beta BIOS update, which was supposed to cap SoC voltage to 1.3 volts. That beta BIOS was, and still is on some pages at least, labeled with a disclaimer indicating that installing it would void the user's warranty. So the perception was, I'm sorry, I bought your product, okay? And my options are either I have it die, or I maybe still have it die, but I can apply the fix,

Starting point is 00:06:21 but then I get no warranty? Are you for real? Now, ASUS claims that this is standard boilerplate legalese that is attached to all of their beta BIOSes. And that seems true. We did actually check that. So we used an archived version of ASUS's site from last year that actually does appear to be attached to all of their beta BIOSes.

Starting point is 00:06:43 They told us that they did not intend to communicate that they wouldn't respect users' warranties and that they will honor the warranty of any user affected by the beta BIOS, Expo-enabled or not. This is really good news and is something that, quite frankly, I would have expected from them anyway. ASUS is... Here, hold on.

Starting point is 00:07:05 This is great. I've got this is this is great. I've got I've got a quote in here from I think Riley was actually working on this topic in the doc. Yeah, here we go. Some more takeaways from our calls with Asus that Riley was involved in. They say they were more focused on fixing the issue and making sure customers weren't continuing to damage their boards. Then they were focused on PR. Yeah, that's pretty obvious because the PR job that they've done here is atrocious. And I wish I could say that this was an isolated incident, but they are spectacularly bad at communication and they are spectacularly bad at creating action

Starting point is 00:07:46 plans sometimes. I mean, this is the kind of thing that you see often when you've got a company where there's a regional branch that is engaging directly with consumers. In this case, ASUS USA or North America, really, they cover the whole region. And then you've got a Taiwanese head office

Starting point is 00:08:02 branch that makes all the actual decisions. The opportunity for the left hand to have absolutely no idea what the right hand is doing is, well, this. Constant. Anyway, I'm glad to hear that they are doing the right thing. I fully expected them to do the right thing. We had already gotten in touch with them over a couple of customer support issues that were posted in our sponsor.

Starting point is 00:08:27 It's either sponsor concerns or sponsor complaints thread over on the forum. That's one of the ways that we ensure that our community is being taken care of by our sponsors. And my understanding is at least one of those was actually a complete miscommunication. It was someone who was mad on behalf of someone else who already had a replacement board nearly a month ago oh um and they were but they were mad about the way as who's handled it which is justifiable but at a certain point you kind of have to ask well what do you want other than a replacement motherboard um because like stuff's gonna break stuff happens from time to

Starting point is 00:09:00 time and i can't say i can't say i have all the details of that one all I know is I Sent an email Ten days ago that said this needs to go away or everything's on pause And now I have heard back that it is gone At a certain point I can't get into the nitty-gritty details of everything yeah, yeah, yeah anywho It says they have already changed the disclaimer, so it doesn't make it sound like updating to the beta BIOS will void your warranty, but the change may take some time to propagate across all of their sites.

Starting point is 00:09:36 Complicating matters in all of this. Gamers Nexus tested motherboards after the beta update and found they were still exceeding safe voltages of 1.4 volts. So, yeah, that would have been a big problem if people actually weren't getting their boards covered under warranty. But the thing is, realistically, regardless of the pressure from users and from media, this is not the sort of thing that AMD would have allowed anyway. If it was causing their chips to die, it's something that they would have been working closely with asus to remediate and ensure that their collective their their their shared customers were not going to have an extremely sour taste in their mouth because you gotta you gotta understand that not everyone who

Starting point is 00:10:16 is going to encounter this issue is highly technical is watching channels like ltt or gamers nexus or j's two cents or whatever. There's people out there that buy a motherboard the same way that I would buy, man, what would be a comparison? A tire. RC car. Sure. Yeah, okay, sure. We both went with things that roll.

Starting point is 00:10:35 So same wavelength. This is how we work, ladies and gentlemen. Where I know enough to know that, okay, I need an ESC. I need a battery. I need either like an RTR, like a ready to roll, I think it is, is what that stands for. I know I need a transmitter, or maybe I don't if I get one that includes one. Like I have some idea of everything, but other than, you know, oh yeah, I think Traxxas is like pretty good, but overpriced. And like Arma used to be pretty like budget friendly, but like then they like got bought

Starting point is 00:11:12 by someone. Like I kind of know a little bit about it, but not enough to make a truly informed decision. A lot of people going into this would be like that. And so if all they know is, yeah, AMD good amd cpu fry that reflects really poorly on everyone involved and it's in everyone's best interest to get this fixed because believe it or not nobody likes issuing warranty replacements and if they can get them fixed in the field that's absolutely what they're going to be doing and while asus has absolutely been involved in some pretty frustrating warranty drama over the years, I've got to say that every time something's been flagged to me,

Starting point is 00:11:53 it's either been resolved before I got a chance to really look into it, or it's been resolved with me sending a quiet ping. And it's gone away. It shouldn't have to get to that point. It should never get to that point but in some cases like i'm trying there's always going to be something the most recent one was someone mad because they were arming a laptop and that laptop model was no longer produced okay so they were offered a much much higher spec laptop that had a gpu that was like wildly faster and a CPU that was either one or two generations

Starting point is 00:12:25 newer. Okay. Okay. Then Asus went, wait, sorry, we actually can't get that one either, but we've got this. And they were offered one that was still markedly better, but not as good as AMD, which I perceived as better, but with a slightly lesser GPU, which, yeah, sucks from a gaming standpoint, but is also good from a power consumption standpoint and was still way better than what they were originally offered. So they were offered one, and then they were like,

Starting point is 00:12:54 oh, crap, no, I actually don't have that, but I'll give you this one that is better-er in this way and unbetter-er in this other way. And they wanted me to do a whole expose about it, and they sent me a whole thing on the forum, and I'm looking at it going I would take the laptop yeah I think you should take the laptop yeah it's still significantly better than the

Starting point is 00:13:13 one that you had like I don't know and and but that was that was still a crappy customer experience because nobody likes to be offered something and then rug pulled yeah right if they had something that they were happy with then that sucks I mean it's like rug pulled, but then they also put a really nice pillow under you before you fall. It's still better than you had, which is more than I would expect. Honestly, I think the underlying issue here is that there's this attitude in the IT industry that customer service after the fact is kind of a it's an afterthought it's not something that very many companies make a core part of their brand which is why

Starting point is 00:13:52 it makes me so unhappy that evga pulled out of gpus but you can see that for them to have for them to maintain that level of service and that reputation you need margin and there just obviously wasn't enough margin left in gpus for them to continue to do that um all right let's get back to let's get back to asus not being perfect for a long long spell here man you guys another complication asus changed the cpu support table for some motherboards indicating that X3D CPUs have only been validated since the most recent non-beta BIOS release 1303, yet the list of BIOS updates still says the older 1202 releases recommended for optimum performance with X3D processors. Some users suggested this was done to suggest that X3D wasn't supported on 1202.

Starting point is 00:14:44 According to Asus, this was done to ensure that users only download the most safe BIOS going forward. Yeah. Okay. Some more takeaways. Yeah, we've got the thing about how they suck at PR. So at least they know. I guess that's good. We asked them if they would consider putting up notices slash updates on their support pages to prevent people from getting the wrong idea.

Starting point is 00:15:09 They said they couldn't comment on that and again mentioned there would be an FAQ next week. And Riley put in italics. Just in time. Yeah. That's the biggest thing. Like if they're going to comment to you, oh, well, like people actually have this, whatever. That needs to be on their site. You know what happened, though? I wasn't on the call. to you oh well like people actually have this whatever that needs to be on their site you know

Starting point is 00:15:25 what happened though i can i i wasn't on the call i don't have any kind of riley came in asking hey we can't get a proper response from asus um they clearly clearly did after but he came in and talked to me he was like hey we're having trouble getting in touch with someone do you do you have anyone there you can talk to him like no i, no, I hired my Asus contact. No, I actually don't really know anybody there anymore. But like, I mean, I would be pissed. Like if I was an Asus customer and I ran through this scenario, I would be royally pissed off.

Starting point is 00:15:55 Yeah, but you know, I'll tell you what happened is the technical people know exactly what's going on and are working on it. The PR people are sitting there trying to understand what the technical people are telling there trying to understand what the technical people are telling them and then the legal department is getting in here saying we don't want to commit to anything don't say anything everything boilerplate everything cya

Starting point is 00:16:15 and then we you know we can always make exceptions case by case by case by case by case and do all of them i don't care but don't put anything out there yeah but they already did put out there i know everyone so they got to do something that's the problem at a certain point you have to tell your legal team to kind of screw off and just deal with it well it's like the thing that happens when you tell your legal team to screw off and deal with it is that you end up with trust me bro t-shirts hey in fairness to me okay did we take care of everyone yeah yeah yeah were we going to anyway yeah okay trust me bro but so you're saying that they're pulling a trust me bro is that it uh yeah but then but then we're talking about bad communication all this other kind of stuff in the past so like it's i mean okay then

Starting point is 00:17:13 it's a full trust me bro because that's part of it that's a key element of the trust me bro trifecta okay you've got the overconfidence in your own image. You've got the sort of appearance of sketchy behavior or maybe even downright sketchy behavior. And then you've got the, what was the last one? The crappy communication. Yeah, yeah. You got all three.

Starting point is 00:17:38 It's perfect. Yeah, I don't know. You should license it to them or something. Yeah, you know what? You know what would be amazing? We can handle this. We create our own Better Business Bureau clone. Okay, but it's just TMB.

Starting point is 00:17:53 And accredited businesses can display the Trust Me Bro seal on their website. Oh, so it's like Secret Shopper and you get a TMB seal and you get like a different like grade based on how well you did in Secret Chopper. I'm so excited. Now, actually, on that subject. Oh, that didn't make it into the notes. I had fired that. You know what? It doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:18:15 This is a very dense topic. So on that subject, we have our own ways of holding folks accountable. We don't review motherboards. Right. So it's not the kind of thing that we deep dive into day in, day out, at least not now. As the lab gets up and running, you can fully expect to see more coverage

Starting point is 00:18:32 of things like individual models of graphics cards and motherboards and power supplies and things like that. In fact, we're shooting a lab update early next week that is gonna show you guys the power supply tester is finally fully configured. We had Chroma out here earlier this week to get us the training on it really excited to show you guys that we're going to blow up a power supply it's going to be awesome um what was i

Starting point is 00:18:54 saying right so you can expect to see more of that from us in the future but that doesn't mean that we don't have other things that are in the works in order to keep not just the industry accountable but actually our sponsors specifically. So I can finally announce this, but it's been because it's been in the works for, I think, a couple of months now. We are going to be doing round one of secret shopping, our sponsors. We anonymously. So it's done already, right?

Starting point is 00:19:21 Yeah. Because we don't talk about doing it unless it's done. Yep. So it's done already, right? Yeah, because we don't talk about doing it unless it's done. I always like to keep my cards pretty close to my chest when it comes to sponsorships. Or excuse me, when it comes to Secret Shopper. We're very transparent about our sponsorships. but this one has progressed to the point where we have collected a lot of interesting information and this is going to be one of the ways that we continue to evaluate ongoing sponsor relationships

Starting point is 00:19:54 going forward that's something we're going to talk about in more detail once we actually come out with the video but we had one of our probationary employees who's not listed anywhere publicly just buy things completely anonymously and then in some cases fabricate issues so that they could get in touch with their support and just documented the entire process. I'm really excited. I haven't seen any of the results. In fact, I didn't even pick which sponsors we were going to do. Is Asus in it? I actually don't know. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:20:25 That would have been really interesting. Yeah. I mean, you know, I wonder if I could find out for you guys. You know what? No. Cards to my chest. We're going to just, we're going to blindside everybody with it. One thing that I'm unsure of right now, just reading this asus topic because i saw some of it

Starting point is 00:20:45 uh but not a ton up until when i read the doc in the like private communication that we theoretically have they're talking about how they're going to deal with it and everybody's going to be fine yes what public communication has there been at all uh other than these postings um it doesn't seem like they have done a particularly good job of publicly communicating any of this. So as of right now, if someone didn't watch this, they would still think that their warranty was void if they ran the thing.

Starting point is 00:21:12 Is that correct? I actually don't know. I think they said that they are updating the messaging, but it hasn't fully propagated. But it's still not done yet. Yeah. Or is that, that's just them removing the the disclaimer right let me have a look here hold on i've actually got a screen capture

Starting point is 00:21:31 to that i can show you guys here in my notes except as provided in the product warranty and to the maximum extent permitted by law is this is not responsible for the incidental or consequential damage resulting from using yeah so this is the original wording i believe that original wording is still there on some pages and will continue to be until it actually propagates now here's the thing it was it was worded as rollout so it's actually potential that those pages haven't even started now here's the thing with trust me bro right remember where i got into trouble was because I knew in my head that if there was ever any kind of issue, we would deal with it. Maybe they know in their heads that if

Starting point is 00:22:12 there's ever any kind of issue, they will deal with it. But because of their somewhat spotty history with customer service, I don't know if they've actually earned that for one thing. And for another, if they have communicated that that for one thing and for another if they if they have communicated that warranty is not going to cover this unless someone gets mad and messages support they might not realize and they might just go buy another board thinking their warranty is invalid and that would really suck now i would bet you money that has already happened now a piece like probably a bunch now a piece that i do not know is how many actual affected users how many actual cpus have burned does anyone have any kind of idea of that anyone and even if it's a here's the thing even if it's

Starting point is 00:23:06 only one or five or fifty whatever that number is that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone's out of the woods if you've been accidentally applying a higher than expected voltage to a CPU some permanent damage it could cause it it could cause its lifespan to decrease in a way that is not obvious immediately. So this was pretty terribly handled. Yeah, we've got some people that are really confused. Olive Processor over on Floatplane says, This isn't how anything works, Linus.

Starting point is 00:23:40 There's no such thing as brand trust unless you've drank the Kool-Aid. There is such a thing as brand trust unless you've drank the Kool-Aid. There is such a thing as reputation, though. This is the kind of argument that sort of ended up creating I think a lot of the negative sort of circular arguments that existed back during the

Starting point is 00:23:58 Trust Me Bro controversy. It's like, once we had the limited lifetime warranty up, the people who were still mad when so people would point out hey they've got their limited lifetime warranty up everything is fine and everyone is completely covered people would say oh oh and by the way this is like the same as as these other brands that have a great reputation for covering their customers and people would respond and say yeah but those guys have a great reputation. So, you know, obviously like their word is better.

Starting point is 00:24:28 And then it's like, are you even listening to yourself? Because you can't apply that logic to one and not to another. Like I said, Asus's reputation is not one that I would look at and go, yeah, obviously they're just 100% going to deal with this. It's not the worst, but it isn't that either. But that doesn't mean that no company can have a reputation for customer service.

Starting point is 00:24:52 I mean, by that logic, why don't you just buy everything from some brand you've never heard of on AliExpress? I wouldn't. I would rather have some idea that I'm probably going to get taken care of. Right? Apparently I'm supposed to tell Ryan from customer service they're great. would rather have some idea that i'm probably going to get taken care of right apparently i'm supposed to tell ryan from customer service they're great okay shout out ryan from customer service i wouldn't even if i had so i have never dealt with asus customer service i've had a bunch of asus things and none of their stuff has ever died on me that i didn't just straight up kill or

Starting point is 00:25:22 it was like a decade old already so that's good but is not a reflection of the customer service at all the only customer service uh that I've really dealt with in this realm is EVGA I've told that story a bunch of times I don't need to tell it again it was very very good EVGA's customer support was the best customer support I've ever dealt with in any realm ever um but like if I saw this i wouldn't believe that they're gonna handle it and if they've had no communication that they're gonna handle it like yeah i don't know i'm i'm not willing to necessarily condemn until we like see what they actually do but like yeah if i was a user and this happened to me right now i would be royally pissed off

Starting point is 00:26:06 and i think i think they have a right to be they're they're told that they're screwed and there was no follow-up communication like that that can't happen this this has got to be this has got to be resolved at least during the trust me bro thing you were saying trust me bro we're gonna handle it they aren't saying anything as far as my understanding goes so like what are what are people supposed to take from this um like that was the trust me bro thing there was some form of quote saying that you're going to be handled the thing wasn't done they wanted a warranty that type of stuff wasn't handled yet but you're like it's coming we're figuring it out trust me this one there is none of that i I'm not saying that that is, if they come out and just go like,

Starting point is 00:26:45 LOL, TMB, we licensed it from Linus, whatever. I'm not saying that that would be good. But they're not even at least doing that, you know what I mean? I don't know. This is rough. This is very rough. Yeah, I mean. I do think they deserve some heat for this.

Starting point is 00:27:01 Yeah, they do. The problem for me is I don't like getting dragged into their drama. And I'm looking at it this morning. I'm reading comments on the video from yesterday. Why isn't Linus talking about this? And I'm looking at this going, like, holy f***, you guys. How have you not dealt with this? Make this go away.

Starting point is 00:27:19 What do you have to send out? A motherboard? Ten motherboards? A hundred? I don't f***ing care. Put them in the f***ing mail. What's wrong with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:31 And we hadn't, there wasn't even enough time for us to have a WAN show yet. And we don't cover motherboards. So everyone needs to relax when it comes to us. There's a bunch of people saying that we're like covering Asus' butts. I just wanted to be clear that we're not we don't think that They did a good job And I specifically said I don't think they've earned a trust me bro guarantee. Yes, so if it wasn't clear Hopefully it is now clear. Yeah, hope hopefully

Starting point is 00:27:58 Basically the only the only thing that I think people could look at from what we talked about and say, you know, that sounds like butt covering, is when I mentioned that I don't think that AMD would be very happy with this situation if it was actually killing their chips. But really, that having been on the other side, there are absolutely fires.

Starting point is 00:28:20 And there are people working on putting out those fires. And you are not privy to a lot of it that's just that's just not how this works not everyone at a company is authorized to speak publicly sometimes the people who are authorized to speak publicly probably shouldn't this stuff is very real and definitely happens and i'm sure that they were dealing with this. They clearly did an extraordinarily poor job. But no, I'm not in a position where I'm never going to work with them again or anything like that. Because from my point of view, it's much more effective for me to just say, if you don't deal with this, I will never work with you again.

Starting point is 00:28:59 And then they will deal with it. And then we will continue to work with them. I mean, that's my style of leverage so you know i guess it's i guess it's not really that different from jay's like if we if we look at if we look at a sponsor relationship like a romantic relationship you know i'm basically saying privately i'm withholding sex until you change your behavior and And then Jay is posting on Facebook, I'm withholding sex from my spouse. So that's what we did. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:29:32 So what we did with Yuffie is, I'm never giving you this ever again. Yeah. And we did that one publicly. Well, that's different, though. That's different. That was users' private video data. And they continued to systematically lie about it over time.

Starting point is 00:29:52 I'm not equating the two situations. I'm just saying our response to it wasn't, I'm withholding temporarily. It was like, we done. I want a poll. A poll. Yeah. I want to hear how people would rate Asus' customer service out of five.

Starting point is 00:30:10 So five options? Yeah. I would do like one to five and then like NA or something like that. I want to hear from the floatplane audience because I've got AJ Tech saying, it's a long block of text, I'm not going to read the whole thing, but basically that they were pretty happy. It's a long block of text. I'm not going to read the whole thing, but basically that they were pretty happy. Yeah, no one else is really talking about it yet.

Starting point is 00:30:43 But, man, the reality of it is I've had really awful experiences with most of the Taiwanese tech companies at some point or another. And a lot of that was not obviously as a tech reviewer where, you know, I get the white glove treatment, right? A lot of that is when I was working at NCIX and seeing the kind of the way that they would treat their partners. Right. Because have you guys ever,

Starting point is 00:30:59 ever heard the saying a man who is kind to you and rude to a waiter is not a kind man. Yeah. I like that one. Yeah. That is, those are words to live by right there. And seeing the way that a company treats their partners is one of the ways that I evaluate the integrity of a company. And the way that most computer hardware manufacturers

Starting point is 00:31:36 will go to any lengths to try to deny a warranty claim is frankly kind of gross. It sucks. There are some standout non like that behaviors behaviors there are some standout companies that don't behave like that ones that come to mind evga although they were much more challenging to deal with as a retailer than as a consumer i will tell you guys that much uh corsair corsair basically had a blanket policy with us put it on a pallet send it back to us um my understanding i've heard just small rumblings it started very small i've heard

Starting point is 00:32:14 rumblings that it might not be that easy with them anymore but overall they've had a really pro-consumer approach to um to taking care of warranty issues and support issues during the time that I've worked with them, which is a long time. Logitech. Logitech has basically a legendary reputation when it comes to replacements. My understanding, again, is more recently, they've had some quality issues and people have had to do more RMAs, but they've still been really good about communication, getting stuff back to you are there any that that you know of that just have spotless reputations noctua yeah noctua is one floatplane chat yeah 100 i would only want to speak from my own experience yeah for sure and it's just evga that evga call was one of the like most insane

Starting point is 00:32:59 things i've like that level of customer support was so insanely above and beyond I just I don't know I will always be friendly towards their customer support unless it's like drastically changed which from what I've heard from the community it hasn't everyone that every time I talk about EVGA customer support everybody's like yeah they're they're great so like sounds good to me. Yeah, a lot of really good feedback for the, I mean, the ones I mentioned mostly. I'm kind of looking for other ones. Some good feedback for HyperX. Okay, that's good to know.

Starting point is 00:33:36 We haven't actually worked with HyperX in a long time. We used to all the time. Yeah. I wonder if Brian's still there. Should email him. Be like, hey, are you you tired of sponsoring esports teams? Maybe you want to come back to tech media? That was basically the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:33:50 We were still chill, but they were just like, yeah, we're spending all our money on esports teams. Doing esports teams now. Fair enough. Don't think it went super well. So almost everybody, 70%, are saying NA or never dealt with. Then it goes 7% did like one as in low. I've got it up now.

Starting point is 00:34:12 Okay. Yeah, you can see it. Yeah. The majority of it's never dealt with. And then it's like pretty even distribution except for five. Very few people said it was like five. Like outstanding. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:23 Very, very few. The rest of it is pretty even all the way through i think this needs to be a big wake-up call for them that's yeah that's not great i wonder i wonder oh no i don't actually want to pit them against each other but like i bet you there's a few customers we could or a few companies we could throw in there with the exact same poll that would score a lot better yeah i mean i think if we threw like a logitech or an evga in there they'd probably score a lot better but here's an interesting one this and this is something that's frustrated me for years in fact i think i've even talked about

Starting point is 00:34:55 on wan show if i put any other motherboard manufacturer in there would the story be any different no that's interesting that's actually very interesting yeah yeah literally universally i've had and seen anecdotally very mediocre at best experiences with literally all of them and i can see some of the factors that might contribute to that they have so many skews sometimes with very little variation, but so many SKUs across all these different regions. They are actually very complicated products. Yes. And they deal with a lot of users that are not necessarily particularly experienced.

Starting point is 00:35:40 So the volume of support. Genuinely poke at or prod or crank things on motherboards all the time yeah that's tough i wonder if needing to unscrew things and screw things back in for m.2 drives has increased failure rates that's a good question it wouldn't surprise me i could see people cranking an m.2 too tight yeah the thing is, that wouldn't go back to the motherboard maker. That would probably go back to the SSD manufacturer, though. They'd be sitting there going like, why is it that every time someone installs...

Starting point is 00:36:12 Well, no, because every board was using metal screws for the longest time. Yeah, this is tough. Yeah. Full-plane chat now lighting up with people just saying, yeah, you know... But one positive one. Oh, this plane chat. Now lighting up with people just saying, yeah, you know, the one positive one.

Starting point is 00:36:28 Oh, this is great. I'm Victor says, haven't seen any complaints about ECS or Foxconn motherboards in a while. Yeah, I get it. Haven't seen an ECS or a Foxconn motherboard in a while. Let me,

Starting point is 00:36:41 let me, let me tell you though, when they were around, they were not perfect oh man um yeah so tough situation but here's what i will here's my final here's my final word on the subject asus in good faith we still want to continue to work with you. We need to see you improve this. Period. Yeah, this is rough. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:08 Fix. You know what's not rough? If you guys want to interact with the show, you know what the way to do it is? Leave a merch message, just like down here. You don't want to send a super chat. You don't want to send Twitch bits. Why are you just throwing money at the screen

Starting point is 00:37:22 when you could be throwing money at sick new merch from lttstore.comcom to send a merch message. All you got to do is fill up that cart, head to the checkout, and you're going to see a box called merch messages. Um, I mean, you should put some texts in the box. That would be a good idea. When you do, you'll get a little shout out down here. Uh, you might get a response from producer Dan.

Starting point is 00:37:43 You might get a response from someone else after. Is that workflow implemented? Yeah. That flow is implemented? Apparently, yeah. We can create a support ticket directly and support will get back to you. Sick.

Starting point is 00:37:54 Okay. So it's possible if we can't answer your question or your questions like about an order or something like that, that especially has to do with the LTT store support, we can forward that on to them and they can deal with it next week when they come into the office which is cool because instead of just giving you like a garbage like i don't know sorry we can actually get some some action on it wow

Starting point is 00:38:15 shots fired what you called dan's i don't know sorry response is garbage oh yeah i mean i've done them too if we can't if we can't like appropriately address your problem then it's it's not good so now we can appropriately address your problem which is good the final option is that if you send something particularly interesting that we have never covered before then we might address it later on the show and when show after dark now you're probably wondering lttstore.com what could they possibly carry that I would be interested in? And let me tell you, I'm so excited because we haven't really hyped this up that much in the lead up to our launch. This has been relatively quiet, but they're finally here.

Starting point is 00:38:59 Producer Dan, do you want to man the camera? Oh boy, okay. Stick locks! They're finally here! Silicone joystick covers! Cool. There you go, stick locks. Are they universal?

Starting point is 00:39:19 Yes. Wow. Stick locks are designed to reduce the horizontal force applied to your joysticks when traveling with a controller or console. They are small, convenient, and can be installed and removed in seconds. We spent a ton of time on the geometry for these, getting it absolutely nailed so that it fits on everything from the Nintendo Switch all the way to the Steam Deck and full-sized desktop class controllers. It's super flexible but hard enough that it's not going to kind of pull on things when you are you know sliding a controller or sliding a console in or out of your bag. I am so, so excited to launch these. And Luke, have you ever touched them? Have you

Starting point is 00:40:08 touched stick locks yet? Okay, cool. Here is a box of stick locks. Here is a Nintendo Switch. Steam Deck. Nintendo Pro Controller. Xbox Controller. DualSense. Okay, pick, I don't know, Xbox controller Dual sense Okay Pick, I don't know, two or three, I don't care Pick however many you want And let's get you to install some stick locks Okay, now you guys, I'm gonna brief you once Just at the very beginning

Starting point is 00:40:35 Dan is not going to try to follow Luke around He's just gonna aim there Luke, keep the thing there Oops, that's not what I meant to click Okay, there we go I like that, it's cheek cheeky it's good you might have to read it for the people you look really smart but here's an installation guide if you need it cool and then it shows all the things it's like compatible with I guess PlayStation 2 controller PlayStation DualShock 3 controller PlayStation

Starting point is 00:40:59 DualShock 4 controller PlayStation DualSense controller Xbox controller Nintendo GameCube controller and and Valve Steam Deck, Nintendo Switch, and Nintendo Switch Pro controller. Now, there is one asterisk there. The PlayStation 2 controller we actually found is a little bit more hit or miss. So the site has been updated in advance of the launch. You'll have seen the site before you see the packaging,

Starting point is 00:41:24 so I think it's fine okay let's see if you can handle it these are going to end up being fidget toys i know they're fun just making sure you guys are aware i would recommend you know what i'm gonna let you try and figure it out because this is no offense this is a an average user here that i'm wow okay hold that up for that hold that up for the camera oh geez like I said you can see it on here and I can like do that put more pressure on it come on it's a stick lock that's the whole point and it oh that's kind of cool so if I do get it to move by putting like you can see my finger I'm putting quite a bit of pressure on there it goes back that's kind of cool So if I do get it to move by putting like a you can see my finger I'm putting quite a bit of pressure on there. It goes back cool right and it pushes itself back a little bit Yeah, that's sweet

Starting point is 00:42:11 Yeah, is this how you're supposed to do it? No, not really It is a two-hand operation there's got a that that is a thing like we really did a two-hand operation there's got to that that is a thing like we really did oh we really did try to make it something that you could one hand it did end up being a two-hand thing i personally find that the fastest way i'm just going to come back out to the wide cam for a second here you just squish it over top i've got my own pack of sticks without inverting so the way that the way that i like to do it here i'll take it yeah sure is oh we're somewhere that you guys can actually see uh oh good good gravy well okay the way that i like to do it is i do the two thumb method put it on the stick this is really hard to do while i'm also hosting and then i put it on like that so i'll

Starting point is 00:42:55 get the two thumbs in there to kind of spread it open and then get it over the uh really what's wrong with you i'll get it over the joystick Why don't you actually instead of doing the Steam Deck which is basically like the same as the oh? Oh, actually yeah, leave those installed leave those installed. This is really good. So here's the Nintendo switch pro controller okay, see if you can do the switch This no no the switch yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay let's get okay finding something that was possible to install on everything from low profile to full-sized joysticks was really challenging this is one of those prod products that we conceived a very very very very very very very long time

Starting point is 00:43:47 ago, and then took Forever to actually get right, but we're really really proud of the result So it is a little bit more challenging to get onto the switch, but it totally goes on there Really all right well those were both like instant the first way i was doing it was also like really bad i don't think i'm doing it the same way you do because i couldn't see your demonstration but the the new way i'm doing it is way better you're also more practiced at it now so that's probably a factor too yeah so do you want to just show okay the last thing i want to show is how it sits uh more proud on the steam Deck compared to on the Switch controller.

Starting point is 00:44:25 There you go. So you can see how the way the geometry is designed, it can flatten out more or it can stand more tent-like and either way it prevents the stick from moving. Do you want to just give the sticks a little wiggle? Or try. You can try. I'm moving the whole... That's clearly in place and then this one is also in place. It is slick too. I was doing this earlier

Starting point is 00:44:48 Well, I pulled that one off, but it is Bob that make sure it was on there I don't want if it's bad. We got to pull it. We got to pull the product Mister I found it so much easier to put on the switch it is a little okay I find it a little more challenging to put on the switch personally i thought i had it it might have been how i pushed at it there we go but yeah they're slick so like you were mentioning you put it in your bag and it should actually be fine because it'll slide along materials especially if you have an ltd bag that has like the the like i don't know what it is but the like soft touch material yeah it'll slide right along. Screen safe material, I think we call it on the product page.

Starting point is 00:45:25 Yeah. Yeah. I'm so excited. So stick locks are finally here. We're absolutely jazzed for them. So we've got some really great questions. I had someone asking, hey, does this help with stick drift? You know what?

Starting point is 00:45:40 Unfortunately, it's not something that we can scientifically test with the equipment that we have today uh but what we do know is that if something is moving around in your bag or getting caught on anything that is probably not good for it and we know that people have been looking for a way to keep their sticks in place whether it's a case whether it's some kind of lock and now there is a thing. People ask for removal the way I would do it. I don't know if you're supposed to,

Starting point is 00:46:09 but I would like brace it on one side. I'm going to go back to Luke's camera and just hold it up. Yeah, we don't need Dan to come back. I would brace it on one side and then peel up the opposite side. Is that what you would do? No, I actually two-handed again. So going back to the wide.

Starting point is 00:46:22 So I would typically just put my thumb in the middle uh hold on just a sec wow it's actually really hard to get off this oh no there we go so what i right right right right what i would typically do is get under it like this to get under one of the legs yeah and then put my finger on the joystick down yeah straight down and then pull it up so that way you can get it off without moving the stick around and putting a ton of pressure on it yeah so i will typically go thumbs to invert it stick it on like that get under one of the legs press it down in the middle and pull it off like that good to go freaking excited cool yeah these took a long time oh yeah 14.99 and that comes uh that gives you a pack of four. Hey, Dan. Could I trouble you?

Starting point is 00:47:05 I forgot water today. Oh, no. Yeah, absolutely. I need some water. Thank you. You can pick your own merch messages to read. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:47:11 We're supposed to do three merch messages. I'll read them. Two. We're supposed to do two merch messages. I gotta scroll all the way down to the curateds.

Starting point is 00:47:22 Okay. I use the WAN desk pad at my repair shop counter and i'm always getting asked where can i get one have you considered slash would you sell to small businesses for retail release this is from robert h i mean yeah no one's ever asked like you'd be you would i shouldn't even say no one's ever asked i mean we've tried with some of our products. Like I joked in that Micro Center sponsored video when we were down there fixing XQC's computer. I was joking with the rep.

Starting point is 00:47:54 I was like, why don't you guys carry the LTT screwdriver? Because we've actually, like we've reached out to them. We've been like, hey, you guys should carry the LTT screwdriver. And they're, I don't know what exactly is going on. I don't know if they're just dragging butt or whatever else, but nothing's ever happened. Seems like a good idea. I know that we've reached out to more than one retailer

Starting point is 00:48:13 about carrying the ABCs of gaming and just hasn't really worked out. I don't know. It's confusing to me. Sure, let me know. Slide into my DMs. I mean, obviously, I think it's going to be i think there's going to be some challenges for extremely small resellers like if you're asking can you can you order two mouse pads that's that's honestly not much higher order volume than

Starting point is 00:48:40 a user um so i could i could see us having some kind of like minimum order quantity or something to set up. I guess we don't really have any infrastructure for reseller accounts. No mechanics to do that, no. Well, we're working on quantity discounts, right? For the bit selector. Ah, yep.

Starting point is 00:49:03 So maybe we could reuse some of that logic baked into the normal story though is that normal is that i don't think that's well some stores do like my master car has that yeah it's a very industrial thing though it's it that's like an industrial thing that happens to also sell to individuals you can do the whole thing you should should just send it. Whole bottle. No. Would you like another? If only we sold larger water bottles. I carry my 64 ounce literally everywhere. But anyways, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, hit me with another, please. One more. Oh, I meant more water, but yeah, sure. Let's see. Which one did you read? Let's pick just one at random.

Starting point is 00:49:46 I already picked it. What challenges have the Floatplane dev team overcome this week? This week? This week? How about what challenges have they overcome today? That's a shorter list. Yeah. But still probably too long for WAN show.

Starting point is 00:50:03 We're back to six-hour WAN show. Yeah, I could send it. but still probably too long for WAN show. We're back to six hour WAN show. Yeah, I could send it. Yeah, so I think this week was largely, we got all of the features that we want to have on the beta site onto the beta site last week. So now we're going through and doing like cleanup. So there was bug fixes to have. There was a couple couple hot fixes that

Starting point is 00:50:26 were pushed this week. There was also some, some things pushed from from Jaden and another person that I haven't actually asked if he's cool with me saying his name on stream yet. So I will not say his name, but from another person, kind of cleaning up some of the payments, upgrade, downgrade stuff that we pushed last week. So it's a little bit more bug free now. There are still some problems with it, including some of the logic for upgrading and downgrading, which we're going to be changing a little bit and increasing transparency of the user on when and why and how they can or cannot do that. Just because we don't want any confusion there. We want it to be very obvious what limitations there are. So some changes there, but once those changes are done,

Starting point is 00:51:13 we're basically done with that big push. So the beta will stop being a beta and it will just be the main site. The original aim for that was this week, but then there was some additional work that i wanted to get done in relation to payment upgrade downgrade um so we're gonna finish those off and then and then we'll try to send it but yeah okay let's uh let's see if we can knock out a couple rapid fires here we got a about a minute left or so in this segment um let's see if we can knock out a couple of rapid fires here. We've got about a minute left or so in this segment. Let's see. Oh, this is going to be a spicy one.

Starting point is 00:51:50 If Asus doesn't fix things to satisfaction, does pulling sponsorship deals include the LTX 2023 headline sponsorship? Yeah, of course. I've already talked to Colton about it. Got him. Yeah, rapid fire. You guys are getting better at this. Let's see. Hey, LLD for Linus, wondering if basketball shorts are a thing.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Actually, you know what? No, I'm not done talking about that. Oh, crap. Yeah, I know. Okay. Long show, long show. Praise rescinded. What have I,

Starting point is 00:52:22 what have I ever done in the past to make people doubt that? For real though. You do have to wonder, like you don't necessarily know how long this person has been watching. I guess. How much they've, they've,

Starting point is 00:52:36 they've viewed. This could be a new viewer. Yeah, I guess. They might just be someone who doesn't watch WAN show. So it doesn't go flat. If you don't watch WAN show and you don't go on Reddit, nothing really happens.

Starting point is 00:52:50 Yeah, I guess that's true. We do keep the mainline content pretty clean. Evergreen is the word. We try not to have too many wink- winks, current controversy, ha ha. Because we want our videos to be still, even if the part numbers of everything involved aren't that relevant. We want the learning outcomes and we want the overall vibe to be just as fun two years, three years, five years down the road as they are the day that they're released. So, yeah, we do tend to keep current events out of them to a degree anyway. Um, and so, yeah, okay, I guess you're right, but we have, we have publicly dunked

Starting point is 00:53:31 on our sponsors over and over and over and over again. And we have publicly broken up with sponsors who have not done right by our community. Um, just trying to think of some of the most notable ones. Well, we dumped Tunnel Bear when they got acquired by someone shady. There was some clothing brand? We didn't publicly dump 5-4. Okay. We quietly dumped 5-4. Again, that was related to customer service issues.

Starting point is 00:54:04 I don't even know if they're around anymore. I don't know. I haven't heard of them. Basically, there were two main issues. I think the one that broke the camel's back was, so there are two things. One was we got some complaints from viewers that didn't get dealt with in a timely manner. And then the second one, the one that actually caused us to go, okay, this has to end. Because they could have still just made it right by those customers and that would have been fixed.

Starting point is 00:54:28 But the one that ultimately killed it was that it was kind of hard to cancel your subscription or something. And we were like, hey, you need to fix this. And then they didn't. So then we didn't work with them anymore. 5-4 still exists. They're a holding co of other intermittent shipping fashion brands. All right. Good for them yeah sure um yeah so so i mean those are those are a couple of couple notable examples i mean obviously there was the um the anchor thing recently with the ufee security cameras that were more like ufee

Starting point is 00:54:59 insecurity cameras an insecurity camera my goodness what that be? So it has an automatic filter that adds 25 pounds or what? It specifically starts automatic recording when you're like heart rate jumps. Do you want memories of when you were like distressed? Oh yeah. Plex is on pause right now. Still love Plex. Still love the product. Still want to use it. Still want to resume the relationship. But there are some key things that I need to see fixed before,

Starting point is 00:55:33 before we're able to move forward. Yeah. I mean, that's the way that we can put pressure, right? That's kind of, that's, that's the way we do it because we think that there is a huge benefit

Starting point is 00:55:47 to a relationship with us, to marketing with us, but there's a certain bar you have to meet and that bar is only going to continue to get higher as we rely on the lab to evaluate our sponsors more and more. It's something that is not in full swing yet, but as we continue to build up the team there, it's going to happen. All right.

Starting point is 00:56:10 Two more topics. Oh, yeah. What do you want to talk about? Google I.O.? Sure. Google held their I.O. developer conference this week. The presentation primarily focused on Google's ethical approach in quotes, and integration of AI into its entire workspace suite.

Starting point is 00:56:30 Composition assistance in Gmail, Google Docs, et cetera, ability to use text prompts to create draft spreadsheets and images and slides. Bart can handle 20 programming languages and will likewise use Docs, Maps, Lens, et cetera, as tools similar to chat gpt's plugins which i'm not going to make a whole topic about it but they announced will be uh usable by anyone who subscribes next week including chat gpt be able to search the web and all this other kind of stuff so cool uh google also demoed demoed google search with an AI snapshot included at the top of search results, which could serve as a jumping off point for further AI-powered actions on a Bing. There's a waitlist to access this

Starting point is 00:57:13 feature, unsurprisingly, because that's how everything's working right now, which is part of Search Labs. Google introduced the future project Tailwind, not to be confused with Tailwind, the future project Tailwind, not to be confused with Tailwind, which will be a personalized private AI model that learns from your documents and acts as a tutor and research assistant. This is similar to their Vertex AI division, which will let businesses build custom AI tools with their choice of model like Palm 2, Imogen, etc. Working with Character AI, a service that creates custom chatbots with different personalities even ones based off celebrities there's a chick on tiktok or something that is selling access to her ai which pretends to be your girlfriend for one dollar a

Starting point is 00:57:57 minute yeah i saw that crazy google is supporting their rhetoric about ethical ai development with concrete features. Meta-tagging for AI images. I mean, that's a concrete feature, assuming that they actually do it and assuming that it's actually accurate. The second one, pretty big. Ability to spot and highlight potential malicious code. You can say what Linus just said yet again. Additional context to allow users to spot misinformation,

Starting point is 00:58:25 such as notes on an image that show where and when it was posted on the internet. A universal translator whose dubbing and lip syncing are available only to authorize partners to prevent defects. That will definitely work and never have any problems. Hardware announcements were relatively unsurprising. The Pixel Fold was exactly as leaked surprise surprise the pixel tablet supports multiple users and can double as a nest hub that's actually kind of neat the pixel 7a is very similar to the 6a with modest improvements in most

Starting point is 00:58:56 areas notably its refresh rate has gone from 60 to 90 that's actually pretty nice its main camera has a 72 percent bigger sensor and has a significant jump in resolution uh 12.2 megapixels to 64 megapixels discussion question what is the value of a company like google emphasizing thoughtful ethical approach to ai i mean it's only as good as the follow their commitment yeah it means nothing right now And Google's commitment to anything is... Very questionable. Very questionable. I mean, I talked about this on that stream that we pulled down earlier this week.

Starting point is 00:59:33 Oh, I guess I should probably explain that at some point. I talked about this on the stream, but the biggest issue for me with Google's tablets, and it was tablets that I was focused on when I was talking about it on the stream, is that I just, what do you need to do on a tablet? Right? What? No, really, like what?

Starting point is 00:59:55 I never use them. So I don't know, watch YouTube or something? Yeah, I mean, that was the number one response. Yeah, like watch YouTube, Netflix, something like that. Respond to email, browse the web. Sure. I find responding to email on a tablet very annoying, but like... Yeah, some people do it.

Starting point is 01:00:12 But remember, like, I don't know, the way some people reply to emails, like, okay. Like they use email as, you know, instant messaging, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but browse the web and watch video were the the number one and number two responses is there any reason that you couldn't do that on an android tablet nope no of course not so then why does everyone buy ipads because there's continuity in the ecosystem because you know that when your ipad cracks the screen or gets old there's a new one that will work just like the old one and all your stuff works

Starting point is 01:00:53 and you're good to go immediately in my experience a lot of apps on android tablets are super janky and terrible uh the experience is just kind of rough like everyone i know that buys one is like yeah this thing sucks well that's because Google's again, because Google's commitment to Android tablets has been lackluster. So they're not creating, they're not signaling the importance of the category by supporting it properly. They're not encouraging developers. They're not getting hardware out there at an affordable price in a way that will incentivize developers for the platform. And for consumers, they're not giving them the trust that if they buy an Android tablet, it will be supported for a reasonable amount of time. And once it reaches a reasonable end of life, there will be a new one for them to transition to.

Starting point is 01:01:40 And so I think for me, the biggest question is what's the follow-through going to be and you know back to the whole you know metadata tagging on AI generated images and all that sort of thing like what about when AI is not the Silicon Valley word du jour what if we go back to internet of things yeah remember internet of things I mean, what are some other stupid cringe? I mean, obviously Metaverse was the most recent one before AI. Web 3.0. Yeah. What happens when we move on to the next trendy thing that everyone wants in their quarterly earnings calls and in their new product announcements, right?

Starting point is 01:02:23 Do they just kind of say well i don't know everyone seems to be kind of over this ai thing and move on i don't i just don't know what product has google successfully launched in the last five years no really though guys for real if i'm way off base here you gotta let me know so i'm trying to think of like what i use meat isn't new i use meat all the time they like change the name a billion times but it's still just meat uh google workspace google search pixel phone dude no the original five years he's also he's talking about uh new verticals not individual product yeah he's not saying like releasing the eighth pixel doesn't count um yeah like an update to android auto

Starting point is 01:03:13 is not releasing a product yeah although shout out android auto it sort of is but he means he means new verticals yeah yeah but the pixel also hasn't been in the last five years guys stadia stadia is not a successful launch Yeah, but the Pixel also hasn't been in the last five years, guys. Stadia. Stadia's not a successful launch. I mean, what is it? It's a successful launch with a spontaneous rapid deconstruction. What's the term for it when you launch something and it blows up? Is it spud? I think so.

Starting point is 01:03:43 Sorry? Spud, I think. No, no no i'm talking about the rocket that blew up uh yeah yeah i don't remember what the actual acronym is yeah it's not an actual acronym it's just like a silly thing they were saying no it's a thing oh it's a thing yeah all right well there you go shows you what i know rud rapid unscheduled disassembly. Disassembly. There we go. There we go. Yeah. Okay. Cool. So, I mean, yeah, sir, you could. Oh, come on. Pixel fold. Okay.

Starting point is 01:04:09 That is unproven. Unproven. And you can't even buy it yet. Wireless Android Auto. No, that's iterative. That's a new feature on an existing product. See, this is what I'm talking about. With the R&D budget that Google has.

Starting point is 01:04:28 I'm still watching pixel watch is is that not like 90 dead in the water and didn't they just buy fitbit like it doesn't count if you just buy something and then i don't know i just don't get it it's a whole thing what is it the innovators dilemma or whatever it is that explains why big companies can't invent anything anymore. Cause it's just, it's impossible because it's like not worth their time to invent things. But then if it's not worth your time to invent things, why do you employ so many inventors? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:57 Why don't you just all wear suits? I don't know, man. More advertisements. I mean, yeah, certainly that. People asking, why was the stream taken down? The stream was taken down because the video did not meet our standards for quality. And because it was an archived VOD of a live stream, there was no way to really fix it and make it meet our standards for quality. It was definitely a team effort why it kind of sucked. I want to shout out everyone who was involved in it because we all did our best to kind of turn this thing around extremely quickly when there were other distractions unrelated to the stream, unrelated to the video that were going on.

Starting point is 01:05:50 on I want to I want to thank YouTube for their for their patience with the whole with the way the whole thing went down because we pulled the video after because I was like okay guys here's what happened the first couple minutes of the stream what was it down like three or four minutes for what sorry for the for the stream earlier this week that went to the wrong stream key oh yeah it was about two and a half minutes something like that before we could figure out why so the first couple minutes of it went to the wrong stream key which was a whole thing because we had to have it scheduled because the feature that we were supposed to be showcasing youtube shopping was is was beta so it had to be activated on a specific scheduled event and we don't normally

Starting point is 01:06:26 do scheduled events we go live kind of like you go live on twitch where you just start streaming in your well in our case in your encoding software and uh in our restreamer um so it just goes when it goes there is no schedule but we had to set up a schedule because they had to activate that feature, so we didn't go live to the scheduled one. We went live to our normal one that we use for WAN Show, so the title and thumbnail was wrong, and then for the VOD, once we actually got it switched over to the scheduled one, the first two and a half minutes where I even explained what the crap was going on

Starting point is 01:07:03 were missing, and so all we see is me sitting there confused because i'm trying to figure i'm trying to process am i supposed to be sorry am i supposed to back up and we start again what do you mean we streamed to the wrong key what does that even mean because i haven't used the scheduled thing since youtube fixed their live streaming so i don't have to use it anymore. So I haven't touched it in like two or three years. What does that even mean? Do I start at the beginning? They're like, no, no, don't start at the beginning. I'm sitting here going, right, but what about the VOD?

Starting point is 01:07:33 But I can't ask these questions because I am live on stream right now, having just sent a go live notification to thousands of people. And the problem with that is you don't get another one. It seems like it did send out a second one because it's technically a different stream destination so we did get two notifications which is even worse okay but now he doesn't get another one of the right one i think your daily limit is four or five yeah but you can't burst them right i don't think so can you i'm not sure what i do know is that the reason that you have a notification limit per day the reason they're gated Is because oh, it's good. They should viewer fatigue. Yeah, they're trying to protect you from yourself

Starting point is 01:08:12 Yeah, people don't want their phone blank lines to left and busy right now, but what is this? We don't need something like that for flow plane But you definitely need something like that for if you're like a youtuber at which absolutely definitely so Pretty much I was looking at it going, all right, what is the net benefit of leaving this up? The whole point of this, the sponsored aspect of this stream, because we're going to talk about Google I.O. on WAN Show anyway. So the whole point of this sponsored stream is for them to showcase this feature that is only applicable to live

Starting point is 01:08:47 Pull the video go find something else Upload that today. Yeah, and so that's what we did Sorry guys. I didn't mean to kind of leave people in the dark But also people seemed to mostly not care it didn't even manage to generate an outrage threat over on reddit so Impressive yeah, it's actually quite impressive not care it didn't even manage to generate an outrage threat over on reddit so impressive yeah it's actually quite impressive uh oh okay we got people asking did youtube still pay you uh yes apparently the deal is not dead we do have some more stuff coming we've got some shorts on the three new hardware devices and then we've also got um a stream coming, but the second stream is going to have a far more structured format.

Starting point is 01:09:28 And there will be, you know, a clear thing for us to talk about is the goal, I think. That's good. Yeah. Freaking A. I mean, oh, go ahead. I was just going to topic transition us. So if you have more to say, go for it. Well, speaking of the devices, I wanted to kind of talk about those a little bit.

Starting point is 01:09:45 Pixel 7a looks killer. Would you ever go Pixel again after the experiences you've had? Actually, yes, probably. Really? Because there's one killer feature. You are basically like in an abusive relationship at this point though.

Starting point is 01:10:00 Yep. Okay. But if someone else releases this feature, I will very likely be gone. All right. What is your screen call it's actually amazing and i use it all the time i have not picked up a call from a scammer in like years all right all right it's actually hilarious they always come crawling back yeah okay i even had i even had riley called me but i didn't have his like caller id in my phone and it showed up as it

Starting point is 01:10:34 showed up in a way that looked super scammy because there was like yeah it just said like british columbia but there's a bunch of spaces in the middle of it so i was like oh this is definitely a scam so i screened it but then it says on the thing like very clearly he's like yeah there's something going on with flow plane i need to and i'm like okay sweet by the way i just want to make it very clear some people seem to think that the issue with the stream was google's fault it was not um okay follow-up question you've been looking kind of enviously over my shoulder at the big screen fold device. No.

Starting point is 01:11:08 For a while. Really? Nope. Oh, okay. I thought you were pretty into like the spreadsheets and stuff. Yeah, I'm not spending $2,000 on a phone. Oh, I thought, okay, okay. But you jumped ahead.

Starting point is 01:11:19 Okay, so yes, it looks cool. And then- It looks interesting. Follow-up question. I would really like to be able to test drive one. Man, I had a whole thing. I was going to... Sorry.

Starting point is 01:11:29 You jumped right to the end. What do you think this is? Dennis's french fry thing? Okay, sorry. Go for it. Okay, so you've been looking over my shoulder at the big screen on the fold. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:11:44 See, now you've ruined it my bad sorry i was pretty confident i knew where you're going oh man what was that now i now i don't even remember what i was gonna say um right right i was gonna say you're fairly wealthy would you would you spend the 1700 i still i still have a house to save up for. Yeah, that's true. All right. So dropping two grand on a phone doesn't feel fun. I am probably planning this September's release of phones to look into something. Because it's been... So you want an iPhone? Don't they release other ones at that time too?

Starting point is 01:12:20 Mine is out of the loop. It's been a long time. I think the new qualcomm chipset cycle is a little bit off of apple cycle right now okay yeah i think it's more it's more like spring because we just got the brand new s23 i think pixel like eight is kind of where i'd be aiming yeah okay all right one more cycle because i'm i'm 4a 5g at this point so i'm a little i'm a little far back yeah but you're still getting support so yeah so it's still fine for now but like it's time to start considering

Starting point is 01:12:50 you know yeah that's fair yeah yeah that's fair um i i hope the tablet goes well i mean it's got a good processor it's 500 bucks it comes with the little dock and then the last one is of course the pixel fold that i will have a lot to say once i actually get hands on with it very excited but i need to really use it and you know try out some of the apps that i've had trouble with on my samsung folding devices and see if they're any better so there's a comment on full plane chat that says luke doesn't seem like the kind of person who's getting an iphone you might actually be kind of surprised um you'd be surprised about both of us i daily drove the iphone for years yep and i have nothing really against iphones my biggest issue with an iphone is because i don't generally use them

Starting point is 01:13:37 the needing to learn the platform doesn't sound interesting to me but i'm not against an iphone necessarily there's honestly not a lot to learn like it's i don't know it there yeah i i don't really know what to tell you like there's there's also like weird things like i'm my phone's down there because it'll buzz the mics but um i'm a big fan of like very very clear home pages yeah i only have things on my home page like like floatplane calling email like very like if i'm opening my phone it is probably for one of these types of applications i don't like the whole screen being full i'd love to i'd love someone to just like corner tim cook and ask how is it actually possible on this green and blue marble that you guys do not allow me to put my icons wherever I want on my home screen? That one's actually crazy.

Starting point is 01:14:30 It's, it's just, it's one of those things that's just so obvious that you just obviously need to obviously fix this. And it'll take like 20 minutes because you've obviously already done the dev work. You just haven't rolled it for whatever reason. It's like actually embarrassing how much that would influence my decision to get an iPhone. It's not even possible that some iOS engineer didn't just stay late one day and fix that for lols on a creative day. That is actually not possible. It has happened. I guarantee it.

Starting point is 01:15:00 Just the way developers work. You know how developers work. So I want to be like, this annoys me and then i just and they would just fix it um because it's really stupid and really just needs to be fixed um but okay uh this is something that like really annoys me like you'll find little annoyances on both this is something that's been driving me absolutely crazy on android and i don't know if it's just android or if it's the google app you know how google kept telling us okay hangouts is going away g chat is going away blah blah blah and it just like never goes away and it's still there so now whenever i share i just took a screenshot i want and i clicked share um if i if i go to i hate this menu this absolutely hate this menu instead of instead of being just

Starting point is 01:15:49 gmail because i clicked i clicked gmail there's now a second click no chat or do you want to do email no i don't want to do chat i actually hate that menu so much that i will always go out of my way to not use it the share menu menu? Yeah, I'll just download things or copy links and then manually go to the messaging app and do it that way. It's just like full of random things instead of the most recent people I talked to. And I'm like, how? Like, how does it think I'm going to share this to someone that I haven't talked to in like five years when the like three people in my life that I share things to off my phone are never here. Like what the heck?

Starting point is 01:16:27 So it literally doesn't save me time. And then the amount of times that it's like I have to scroll so much to find the right app or like the right person or whatever that is just, I don't know. I find it very annoying. Okay, this is great. So my top one is myself, my personal Gmail account, which I have probably never shared anything to because why would i and my second one is my work account my which i would never share anything to from my oh actually that's not true i would email things to myself from time to time just because embarrassingly it's easier than just yep you know

Starting point is 01:17:01 um then i've got my son my wife my aunt maybe okay oh here we go then i've got some random discord server that i have literally never shared anything to you on discord i actually do share things to you another random discord server that i have literally never shared anything to and then two completely random teams message channels one is dan dan when's the last time i shared anything to you over teams oh i mean you messaged me earlier so maybe that's why i'm there first literally never literally never literally never literally never i don't use this application literally never sometimes never wow fantastic what's the point? Like, I just... My problem is that every single icon in my share menu, all of them are blue.

Starting point is 01:17:51 They're all blue and white. I can't tell what any app is. Teams is blue and white. Facebook is blue and white. Twitter is blue and white. They're all blue and white. Share with... Mom.

Starting point is 01:18:00 Oh, shoot, shoot, shoot. No. Not that, Mom. I'm sorry that floatplane has contributed to your problem why is everything blue it's a it's a very neutral like things are fine color um yeah anyways should i topic pivot us sure should we move on uh youtube another youtube thing uh youtube has confirmed that it is experimenting with blocking some users with ad blockers enabled from watching videos on the platform. Spicy. YouTube has previously addressed this issue, but it has been a few years since the last time.

Starting point is 01:18:42 There's a screenshot of a YouTube notice to users with an ad block enabled that was posted to Reddit. That's just the YouTube logo. It says ad blockers are not allowed on YouTube. It looks like you may be using an ad blocker. Ads allow YouTube to stay free for billions of users worldwide. You can go ad free with YouTube premium

Starting point is 01:18:58 and creators can still get paid from your subscription. And then there's a button that says allow YouTube ads. And then there's a button that says allow YouTube ads. And then there's another button that says, try YouTube premium. I don't know what allow YouTube ads would do. Oh, maybe it, maybe what have they like scripted away for your disabled extension on that domain? That must only work through Chrome or something.

Starting point is 01:19:21 I don't know. I mean, most people are using Chrome, so maybe it works. Yeah, I don't know I mean most people are using Chrome so maybe it works yeah I don't know the more legitimate criticisms include that YouTube's ads have increased a great deal over time and that YouTube premium is relatively expensive from the perspective of occasional viewers discussion question is there any better way to convince people to pay for content um no that's my response i i don't think like i'm not saying this is necessarily a good way but i don't think there's a different way like how do i how do i how do i even talk about this without starting some kind of firestorm no

Starting point is 01:20:02 yeah you're just gonna get wrecked because i think the entire wish i was wearing my ad block yeah privateering shirt because the entire counter argument to me last time around was that if consuming the ads was the form of payment for consuming content on the platform then google would block ad blockers so okay here we are um i don't know what else to tell you guys and i i believe the main defense at that time was well it's like not actually like in the terms or something i guess it is now i guess so um is that better i mean yeah happy about this yeah it's one it's one of those things where um people are saying like flow play i'm like yeah i think if people weren't subscribed on flow plane and they had ad block on youtube and then this happens i don't necessarily know that they're going to subscribe on flow plane like these options have

Starting point is 01:21:01 existed yeah already so if they weren't already subscribed to it, then that option is not the better way to convince people because it already existed. And I actually didn't say you may not use ad blockers. I mean, we've even talked about it in the past. We showed people how to set up a freaking pie hole. Yeah, we've shown multiple times how to set up these types of services.

Starting point is 01:21:23 All I said was, you've got to consider the consequences of your actions. Yeah. The consequences are real. The more people block ads, the more a platform will become actually not sustainable. And they will introduce more draconian anti-ad blocking measures. That's just how it works. I don't make these rules i'm just

Starting point is 01:21:46 i'm the messenger time to shoot please no raise your weapons not shoot not shoot the messenger i don't think they'll ever do anything about sponsor block though i don't know that's not their that thing, though. Yeah, I guess so. There's no actual financial incentive for them trying to block SponsorBlock. Yeah, that's true. It's hard to say. I mean, I wouldn't even put it past them to just say, look, we don't allow any extensions that interfere with the functionality of YouTube. Will that make YouTube a worse experience for some users?

Starting point is 01:22:26 I mean, I don't think there's any denying that. I don't think it technically does, though. It just skips you forward in the video, right? I genuinely haven't used it. I don't know what it does. Yeah, it skips around in the video. But that's using timestamp functionality. It just wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, that's

Starting point is 01:22:43 what it is. i'm not surprised every once in a while i'll get like i'll be in my google news thing and i'll jump to a web page and it's like no you can't watch this because i have it export to my browser and it blah blah blah blah you can't view this page unless you subscribe it's not an ad blocking thing but it's just like some news page that requires a pay gate our paywall yeah and i'm like okay well i'm not gonna do that so i'm gonna leave and the argument is like oh well you lost their traffic whatever and it's like yeah but i'm also not taxing their service and if i didn't pay and they didn't have ads and i did view it, how am I benefiting them?

Starting point is 01:23:28 So like, I don't know. I don't know that that's necessarily the wrong call for them. That might be the right call for them. Maybe this newspaper makes a bunch of money through subscriptions and they just, it's better for them to operate that way. It's not my decision. It is my decision to just not pay it. Well, this is another like big controversy that I started when I said, look, the provider of the service or the product is the one who sets the price. And if you don't like it, you don't pay it. But just taking it is actually not how that works. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:58 So like, I don't find some way to like break around that limitation. I just don't read the article. Just go find something else. There is an incredible amount of stuff on the internet. You really don't actually need to access that one thing. Truer words never spoken. It's like actually okay. There really is an incredible amount of stuff on the internet. Your life will go on if you can't access that one video or article or whatever it is. You'll be fine.

Starting point is 01:24:27 So I don't know. I don't have a lot to say about this. I am a YouTube premium subscriber. So like this won't affect me. I watch a bunch of YouTube. So it's like and I use YouTube music. Yeah. I don't believe YouTube music is the best, but it comes with YouTube premium. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:41 And I'm not going to pay for anything else. Great value. So it is what it is. It comes with YouTube Premium. Yep. And I'm not going to pay for anything else. Great value. So it is what it is.

Starting point is 01:24:50 And when I look at the bundle and I do consider that I do actually use YouTube Music all the time, like I run it for basically at least eight hours a day because I use it for just background noise when I'm working. Yeah, I get the value out of my YouTube Premium subscription for sure. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you guys. Don't know what to tell you guys other than this is, this is what happens. And this, okay, this is fair. Uh, someone in flow plane chat said, if you give someone something or a service that will become an expectation, uh, when it changes, people feel wronged. Um, and, and that, yeah, that's legit. so i could i could understand people that have used ad blockers on youtube for like a decade that it's now being blocked being like

Starting point is 01:25:30 well that's annoying yeah yeah sure yeah but like youtube's response to that may end up rightly being you mad bro yeah like realistically i mean you can say you're gonna go somewhere else but when you're trying to figure out how to fix your dishwasher you won't you'll go to youtube you can you can some people will kind of will sputter and angrily say no i will yes you will yes you will because that's the fastest because your time is worth money which is exactly how the ads work your time is worth money and that will be the fastest way to get that dishwasher repaired you'd be silly not to right it's it's tough you just watch the ads you can you can literally you can load it up

Starting point is 01:26:18 have the ads play put it down gather your tools and then when the ads are done playing pick it back up again people are talking a lot about how much the uh how much the prevalence of ads has increased on the platform lately and honestly that is that is a big challenge um i do find it pretty obnoxious whenever i'm accidentally on an account that doesn't have a youtube premium to me it's it's always it's felt like the the gas price problem where like it feels like oh like tons of people are blocking ads or whatever other reason so we need to increase ads and then oh we blocked ad blockers but they're not going to pull the ads back probably uh because they're like well let me find serve you this many already and there's a lot of pressure on creators to increase the frequency of ads. I mean, here, I got this report from Colton earlier

Starting point is 01:27:06 that apparently is from Patty Galloway's latest newsletter, something, something. I hope this isn't like a paid newsletter or something that I am not supposed to talk about. One second, I just want to address this quickly. Krusty Trombone in Flowplane Chat said, nah, it's principle, ads are toxic. I don't disagree, which is why I have premium and run Flowplane and do stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:27:29 I don't like ads. I avoid them as much as I can. But I don't do that with an ad blocker. Yeah, that's not actually your call to make. the service says the payment is ads, then your options are consume the service and pay with ads, don't consume the service, or privateer, and just know what you're doing.

Starting point is 01:27:56 That's what you're doing. So I have my, like, the level that I'm happy with, and you can have your own, and that's fine. This is great. I love it. Angermon over on Twitch chat. I don't understand who the F is buying crap out of ads. Me neither. And yet here we are.

Starting point is 01:28:14 They're clearly working pretty good. Yeah, so okay, this is really interesting. It's an evaluation of RPM, so revenue per mil, which does not mean million, it means thousand, by average view duration. And the argument made to me by our business team is, you know, hey, with how long WAN show runs, the AdSense numbers for it would be insane. Like potentially three times what we're making, which is thousands of US dollars per episode additionally for WAN show.

Starting point is 01:28:55 Got to check and get approval from Linus. Can you loop me in? And basically, yeah, our RPMs are substantially lower than what they should be based on this average RPM per video length chart here, and basically my response is the part we're missing here in our calculations is the RPM of our baked-in stuff. Maybe for something like WAN Show,

Starting point is 01:29:20 we should cut our rates, cut the sponsors out, and do mid-rolls. I just don't want to overdo it, right? Because that's the problem that I see on the platform is that you've got, you've got people trying to triple dip, right? They've got the pre-roll ad, and then they've got the mid roll ad, and then they've got the shout out for their Patreon, and then they've got the shout out for their sponsor, and then they've got the shout out for their merch. And so I think we were overdoing it for a while. And in each video, we had a merch shout out plus a floatplane shout out, we've dialed that back. So we are at no mid. So our typical loadout on LTT anyway, is that we have pre rolls enabled

Starting point is 01:30:03 no mid rolls, we do have our own baked in sponsorship spots, and we will call out either Floatplane or the LTT store in a way that is organically integrated into the content. That's sort of our loadout right now and seems to be about as high as you can go without it being obnoxious. And there's been a lot of arguments internally pushing me to turn mid-roll ads on. And every time I kind of come back and I say, okay, sure, what are we getting rid of? And the answer is always, I don't know. I think we have a pretty, I think we have a pretty optimal configuration right now.

Starting point is 01:30:42 And I don't, I don't think we're going to change it anytime soon especially when they're dennis ads we'll see yeah yeah i think if anything what we need to do is just make our baked in stuff more engaging and convert better and then we can increase our rates for that if we really want more money like let's just work for it yeah i guess is my response make the ads content i know there's a few other creators in the space doing that type of thing too where it's like you actually want to watch the ads because they're just funny yeah and it's like okay cool if you want to win me over that way like fair enough in my opinion uh last week was not dennis spots on wan show that's why it wasn't as entertaining uh floatplane chat uh dennis is

Starting point is 01:31:21 on vacation so oh yeah we had the thorium proposal but that wasn't i guess that was a sponsor spot right i forgot that's how that's how organically integrated it was i forgot it was a sponsor spot speaking of sponsors hey perfect segue time thank you to trade coffee for sponsoring today's episode these folks have found a way to streamline buying and trying new coffees with trade coffee it's as simple as letting them know your taste preferences like if if I was looking for something smooth and sweet, I let Trade know and then they find me a perfect match like their Buffalo Blend from Airship. A blend of coffee that understands that smell works in conjunction with the taste to round out the entire experience. Joe, Java, sweet heavenly bean water. No matter what you call it, coffee can be an important part of that

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Starting point is 01:33:38 So go to lmg.gg slash Vistaprint today and start creating your own personalized products that are as fun and unique as you are. Dan, you got a couple of merch messages. I suspect you do because you made me use the camera. I couldn't help noticing that a few people might've bought some stick locks. Oh, just a couple, just a couple,

Starting point is 01:33:59 a couple people bought them. I will also say, I just noticed you are too. I've been messing with these, like the whole show. I think they're legitimately just noticed you are too. Linus and I have been messing with these like the whole show. I think they're legitimately just as good as a fidget toy as they are a stick lock. Oh boy.

Starting point is 01:34:14 Dual purpose. Everything we sell turns into a fidget toy. The screwdriver, this. I think that says more about us than... Maybe. Okay, let's see. First one here hey lld a long time watcher since my formative tween years prior to getting more into tech i am ashamed to admit that i attempted to download more ram what has been your most dumb tech mistake oh it was definitely the time that i plugged the floppy power connector into a header on an add-in card.

Starting point is 01:34:46 Fried that bad boy. Fried it good. I've only ever... I was very young. Accidentally murdered one piece of hardware that I can remember. And it was really early on at the company. And I just roasted a motherboard. Do you remember that? Just flashed the wrong BIOS onto it.

Starting point is 01:35:04 And it just never came back nice i was like really early on i was really embarrassed nice i think it was my personal board but that computer was a computer that i got from you right okay and i needed it for work because i was doing forum stuff so it was like uh nice yeah and then you gave me like if i remember correctly you gave me what was technically an upgraded board but it was like uh you know when you you go high enough that like the support for it is bad and it's like actually worse experience because you're not going to use the features and like, it was one of those situations. Nice.

Starting point is 01:35:46 Yeah. That was really unfortunate, but yeah. I can still hear him popping on the table there. I'm sorry. All right, next up. Wondering if you've ever considered exploring the technology behind power generation plants. I mean, sounds super cool sounds like the kind of place that would be a little tough

Starting point is 01:36:08 to get a tour of absolutely on that second point yeah I mean is anyone going to show us the nitty gritty of a nuclear power plant would I be interested in anything that isn't a nuclear power plant I mean what am I going to go look at like a coal fire

Starting point is 01:36:23 yesterday's technology today the furnace it's real big wow that's hot okay we're joking like obviously there's more interesting than that yeah and it gets more advanced a lot of technology but um

Starting point is 01:36:42 yeah no I can't say that that's my most, that's the most up my alley that something could be. Yeah. Okay, and last one we're going to have a look at here. I've worked in both banking and engineering, and in both we solely use virtual machines for their increased security and work from home. As LMG grows, do you think you will switch to some,

Starting point is 01:37:05 if not all employees to virtual machines? Definitely not all. I think for high performance applications like video editing, it's just, it's A, not a clear enough benefit for security to outweigh the improved performance. And B, my understanding is it's not a supported use case for any of the major video editing software users. And working within a VM theoretically is completely transparent to the software, but in practice

Starting point is 01:37:38 is not always completely bug free. And Adobe Creative Suite does not need not need it's got enough bugs yeah it doesn't need more problems so i think we're going to use it in in in a best case scenario on a bare metal workstation basically forever i could see some kind of thin client or some kind of VDI thing for just general workstations. In fact, I think we're going to do a video in the next little bit just kind of exploring VDI because we've never really dug into it. But I don't see us just rolling that out wholesale anytime soon. But I don't see us just rolling that out wholesale anytime soon. But yeah, I can't think of any reason that a salesperson or someone in accounting couldn't just be working off a thin client.

Starting point is 01:38:33 We're going to have to. Right now, we have one standard, and it's not good. It's not good to have one standard, I should say. The standard that was made might have been very good for an important subset of people which would be high performance users like editors but we have so many different types of people at the company now in regards to what they do um that just having one doesn't make a ton of sense so yeah we might have a variety of different options down the line but it will vary quite a bit pat zillin full plain chat, having to use thin clients at work makes me want to bash my head

Starting point is 01:39:07 against my desk. It's God awful slow. Right. But that depends. Yeah. Right. That depends on what the hardware behind the thin client is. The thin client doesn't affect the performance. It's the actual VM that it's tapped into. And there are high performance thin clients. My understanding is they're very common in the like cad and design industry and i think that's to do with that it's cheaper from a software licensing standpoint or something like that because the software is so expensive that you're basically an idiot to be buying one seat for every person who might use it and you're far better off buying many licenses and then sharing them or something. Don't quote me on that. It's just something that I heard at some point, maybe.

Starting point is 01:39:48 Nice. Nice. But yeah, well, things will change. Okay, so let's get a couple of potentials out here if you want. Hey, LOD for Linus, wondering if basketball shorts are a thing that's on the menu.

Starting point is 01:40:02 Will we eventually do that? No. No. He's saying it's not on the menu. Will we eventually do that? No. No. He's saying it's not on the menu, not that we'll never do it. Yeah. Yeah, the first thing. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:40:11 I think it's pretty unlikely, though. Are there not enough brands that make basketball shorts? Like, basketball shorts are one of those things where it's just, what would we be adding to the conversation? Hey, DLL, Steve or Austin going to LTX? Neither has been confirmed or denied then i guess i can neither confirm nor deny oh exciting well no i mean it's just the thing is like it's not it's not up to me to to announce things like that for people um uh okay fine i'll

Starting point is 01:40:38 tell you what i'll say this they've both been invited but life happens right it's people aren't always available even if creators are very busy people even if we were actually bffs right that doesn't mean they can necessarily make it it's ltx it's not my wedding i'm not going to be mad right if they can make it that's awesome i think it's going to be a great event and if they can't make it well then hey that i'll see you next year that's awesome that'll be a great event too it's all good but some more ltx ones hello me audio only me tomorrow dll how do we buy products and have them waiting for pickup at ltx also rest in peace hotel prices over the last two years oh i don't know it's not a thing yet what a oh okay is that the answer i believe um i think okay somebody's gonna scream

Starting point is 01:41:32 at me i'm trying to remember oh you're gonna pull no answer yet i'll say that much there we go all right because i know if you're if you're here locally you can buy stuff here locally but there's gonna be a well you can buy stuff oh oh you mean if you come to the show yes you can buy stuff yeah yeah but i don't mean right now if you're in bc you can buy stuff locally i mean if you're if you're at ltx there's going to be like a store and you can buy stuff um there is also the the remote bridge thing that we're planning where floatplane and ltx store are going to have a login authentication thingy to see if you are currently subscribed at whatever blah blah blah blah so that you can buy stuff um and that's not done yet so we don't know exactly when it will be ready got it more ltx oh

Starting point is 01:42:19 i do have a bit of an update on ltt store not calm though okay i think we've settled on a location for it sorry that's me uh i think it's going to oh uh-oh uh-oh did i say something wrong you must have said something wrong because we did the one and only nick light has made a call to me what i do wrong i have two things one one from this one from earlier so got two things one right here one right here yeah um if you have an ltx ticket you should be able to pre-purchase your merch already on the ltx site oh cool you just have to use the same email to log in on the site as you bought the ticket with neat yeah and then the other thing was when you're talking about retailers earlier um we are figuring out our retail strategy i can't

Starting point is 01:43:03 really say more than that right now on live, but that's why we don't have like updates on micro center and stuff. It's not on their side. It's on our side. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, okay. So if you want, you can call me after the show. Oh, okay. All right. Sure. So apparently, all right. Later. We summoned Nick. We said too many things wrong. Let's see if we can do it again.

Starting point is 01:43:33 Twice in the same show would be pretty great. We should see how many different people we can summon on one show. Oh, Tynan's already been blowing up my phone. So that's two. Is he upset about stick locks because uh he worked on stick locks he asked me to message him and i ghosted him nice well that's just rude he will watch it back later i don't know why he wants i think he just excited who knows um it's all merch by the way not just ltx merch the the idea is that you can place your order and then just like pick it up when you're there,

Starting point is 01:44:06 which will make more sense the closer to the event we get. Yeah, not really. Yeah, right. So I wanted to give the update on LTTstore.com. We have not decided to proceed with the retail space that we found that was pretty cool because I think what we're going to do is more of like a warehouse-y style thing

Starting point is 01:44:24 where you can pick up, but also it'll be like operating as a warehouse and it'll be in more of like an industrial area. I think it's going to be where the little gym is now. And so that'll become LTTstore.com. So this is how you're going to tell me that I'm not getting my wish? Oh, you're getting your wish. So I have other big news. Our financing got approved for a second, what about second badminton unit? Oh. So the badminton center is going to be substantially courts now uh and there will be a pretty decent like 1600 1800 square foot

Starting point is 01:45:09 gym of badminton courts no of like 1600 not 16 000 yeah yeah what's gonna be there i don't know i was gonna ask you like what's good like it, it's an actual, like, gym? Like, a workout gym? Yeah, like, for members. That's pretty cool. Yeah, so... I'm suddenly, like, way more excited. Yeah, I know. So, wait, you're serious?

Starting point is 01:45:34 Yeah. Oh, that's sick. That's sick. I've been trying to convince him to have the current one turned into a gym for a long time. And there's all these, like, liability problems, which are legit, so I understand.

Starting point is 01:45:44 Yes. But it would just be sweet if it was like a thing. Wow. That's cool. Yeah. It's going to be awesome. So obviously everyone who works at Yvonne Umbrella Corporation, any of the companies under there

Starting point is 01:45:59 will be able to get access to the gym. YBC. I don't know. Okay. So here's the thing. I don't know if I'll be able to just be like, yeah, you get it for free because that could hurt the KPIs of the operations manager who we have actually hired now, uh, who's going to be running that. That's a lot of people to give access to that for free. Yeah. So I'll have similar working schedules and yeah. So I don't want to screw anyone over. Just like hey yeah you know your kpi is that you have to be profitable oh by the way you have a hundred free users in your gym good luck that's pretty funny uh sultan of slack

Starting point is 01:46:40 asks so when's the pickleball tournament yeah probably when i turn about 55 we'll convert it to pickleball that's that's that's what i kind of have in mind it's gonna be like hey everyone who was playing ever shut it down shut it down okay we're moving the nets down moving the nets down okay we're pickleball facility change the sign wooden paddles now or whatever it is i think it's wooden paddles i don't remember yeah i'm excited i'm excited it's wooden pedals. I don't remember. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. It's going to be awesome. Yeah, super excited. Okay. What were you saying, Dan?

Starting point is 01:47:08 When can we be expected to be notified if we are selected to volunteer at LTX? Oh, I don't think either of us are going to know. I have no idea. Yep. I would hope pretty soon. Yep. Like, if we haven't told people pretty soon,

Starting point is 01:47:22 then it's going to be pretty tough for them to schedule. You know what I would do is post on the forum because I know that Chase is monitoring the LTX thread there. Yeah, post on the LTT forum. This might be a question for Tynan, but has there been any testing to see if the stick locks fit on the Steam Deck inside the OEM case? That's a good question.

Starting point is 01:47:44 Tynan would probably know that. It used to be that our inventory was right on the other side of this wall here, and I could just run and grab a Steam Deck case, but it's not. So I don't know. Yeah, we'd have to figure that out. And let's see. Does the bag you are developing for consoles like the steam deck have some kind of stick protection built in the steam decks original case has some cutouts to give the stick space for example yeah it doesn't but it's also very very early in development right now and that's not impossible but it could be very challenging so depending on the route we go if we go switch specific then it could but if go Universal, then it wouldn't be able to.

Starting point is 01:48:26 Then you should bundle it with some stick locks. There we go. Sick. I think we should, yeah, we can move on here if you guys like. Yeah. Sure. Two to three more topics, please. Let's talk about this watch thing.

Starting point is 01:48:42 Yeah, let's talk about this watch thing yeah let's talk about this watch thing because i am ticked oh boy fossil who acquired misfit in 2015 has discontinued support for misfit watches the companion app and website what this means get this is that users will no longer be able to adjust some settings including including changing the time. And am I right, they still sell them? The most recent models of Misfit watches were launched in 2018 and only stopped production in late 2019 and early 2020. Fossil still sells smartwatches based on Misfit's hybrid watch technology. Fossil doesn't appear to have made any announcement.

Starting point is 01:49:25 misfits hybrid watch technology fossil doesn't appear to have made any announcement it simply dropped misfit from its brand page and users found themselves unable to log in are you kidding me now fossil confirmed oh okay when okay Oh we apparently contacted them Oh good job Wanshow team Fossil confirmed it was indeed dropping support for Misfit When contacted by Linus Media Group You know I never really got it before

Starting point is 01:50:03 The whole expensive watch thing you know like like big like mechanical watches you know it'll still work at least it'll still work what the heck and this is fossil i thought this is like a premium brand someone can't remotely take it from me i think it is i don't know, but I'm pretty sure it is. Fossil. How is it even possible that there is no obligation if you drop support for a product you sold to open source it?

Starting point is 01:50:35 How is that even possible in the year 2023? Oh, Star Wars collaboration with Fossil. Hold on, hold on. Luke laptop, let's go. They have Lukewalker leather watch no wait wait wait wait stop looking at that okay okay luke yes what did that pop-up say you have my superpower too i saw you do it i actually i remember it was like yellowy or gold or something and nothing. I know nothing else about it.

Starting point is 01:51:09 That's all just the color that I might even, I might be right about that, but I might be conflating it with this golden watch that's on the screen. Okay. So we're back to this laptop here. Yeah. I just found that they did the star Wars collaboration. I thought it was funny because Linus is not into high end fashion

Starting point is 01:51:24 particularly, and also isn't into modern star Wars. So thought it was funny because Linus is not into high-end fashion particularly and also isn't into modern Star Wars. So that would be funny. Yeah, that would be the not Linus watch right there. Especially this one because it's so gaudy. Wow. That would not suit you at all. Thanks.

Starting point is 01:51:39 No problem. I don't think any of these would suit me if that helps. Are those dog tags cringe? Are those actual dog tags literally for 120 bucks and it says C3PO on it do people buy this we need to just have more products there's zero reviews

Starting point is 01:51:59 no no Luke we need to just have more products because people are obviously just looking for something to throw money at at this point. Yeah. Really? Okay. Okay. The earrings are cute.

Starting point is 01:52:10 The earrings are pretty cute. The charm bracelets, like, that's probably all right. Oh, so fossils, like, not premium then. Like, these are, okay, to be clear, $500, $600 for a watch. Obviously, that's, like like a lot of money but watches yeah so they're not they as far as i can tell they're not like insane but they're not cheap either yeah okay 250 purses that's not i don't know i don't know anything to be honest yeah about that stuff no no idea got it anyways that's some bs you should not be able to just like

Starting point is 01:52:49 turn off someone's ability to change the time on their watch yeah this whole thing this whole thing is just okay fine here let's talk about the badminton center some more because i think that it's a waste of life to just mop a giant floor um i wanted to look into getting a robot sweeper and vacuum and and mop like thing i i assume that has to be a thing these days you know given that i don't think anyone has one manually mopping airports yeah but you have like a consumer grade one yeah so i want a commercial grade one that could do you know 30 000 square feet or whatever right yeah exactly um so i rightly assumed that this is an actual product category that does exist um naturally the if i remembered the brand i would i would name them because it's kind of hilarious and stupid

Starting point is 01:53:43 um and they deserve to be called hilarious and stupid. But naturally, you go on their site, and there's no information whatsoever about pricing because why would there be? You have to contact someone. This is great. You contact someone so that you can get on a call with them. That person cannot tell you anything. Their entire job is to set up an appointment for you with someone from the sales team i was like okay well this was a giant waste of time thank you very much

Starting point is 01:54:14 um i sure fine schedule me another call because if you can't tell me how much it costs then i guess we're not having a conversation right now So what's the point of talking about anything is that better than a robo caller? Would you prefer robo caller in that in that situation? I mean it might as well, but if you already have the online scheduling thing that I used to set up the first call Then it's just online scheduling with extra steps right like it yeah, so anyway they set up they set up the second call with me, and we got as far as price, and the price is about to outright buy

Starting point is 01:54:54 because they offer a subscription service or an outright buy price. And the price to buy is about a mid-range car, which honestly could make sense. It could. You know, compared to paying a person. And I guarantee you. For five years or whatever.

Starting point is 01:55:11 What you just said is exactly how it's priced. Of course. It's not priced based on the actual hardware. It's a f***ing mop, right? Like it's priced based on the value that it provides, which is not a wrong way to price something, but it's a little frustrating that was so high, but that doesn't mean that I wasn't considering it. I was considering it. And then I asked what the process is like.

Starting point is 01:55:34 So how does it handle vision? How does it navigate the facility? And they go, okay, well, we come out and we help you set it up. We get the mapping configured and the routing configured and everything. And then it just, like, it runs on your schedule and it goes and it does the thing. And I'm like, okay, super cool. What if I need to update the map for whatever reason? We reconfigure it.

Starting point is 01:56:01 You know, how is that done? And they're like, oh, we can help you with that remotely you log into our cloud thing and i go okay hold on a second can i just clarify something does this run on site or does it run in the cloud like where's the processing actually handled they're like that all runs on site and i'm like oh okay so the thing is actually like it has the processing built in they're like yeah yeah it uses the x sensor and y sensor and whatever else i'm like okay great um but you said that the reconfiguring was done through the cloud and they're like yeah yeah it uses the x sensor and y sensor and whatever else i'm like okay great um but you said that the reconfiguring was done through the cloud and they're like yes and i'm like okay so in the event that you guys were to disappear for whatever reason

Starting point is 01:56:36 would i be able to reconfigure it without your cloud service well we're not going to disappear and i go right but that isn't what I asked. If you were to disappear, would there be any way for me to reconfigure this myself? Like, is there a web portal built into this unit that I can access through an Ethernet jack or something? And they basically were like, let me get back to you. And I got an email back that was like, based on your requirements,

Starting point is 01:57:04 I don't think we'll be able to move forward and i'm like based on my requirements i think you guys are idiots because you are selling what will effectively become a 60 70 000 paperweight in the event that yeah maybe you won't go out of business yeah they kept assuring me that their business was growing really well. I'm like, that's not my concern. I'm concerned about this tens of thousands of dollars investment that is just junk if you just arbitrarily decide at some point

Starting point is 01:57:40 that you don't feel like supporting it anymore. Just unbelievable. And it doesn't matter if they plan to be around. What if they get acquired and whoever the new owner is wants to extract more value? What if they decide to just brick them? I just can't. I just can't,

Starting point is 01:58:00 man. Yep. Yep. That's pretty brutal. Yep. Just frustrated. We're not going to disappear a company doomed to fail andrew knowing yeah in full plane chat yeah exactly because this is the kind of thing that it's industrial equipment this is not something i expect to run for three or five

Starting point is 01:58:19 so someone in full plane chat said 20 years down the road you could still be using it that's a long time yeah that's a freaking long time and you're not boeing no offense yeah right you're not ge no offense when you are ge i will still tell you to f**k off because that is still stupid i just i i can't i can't i can't handle it so like honestly and and that this is another crazy thing for seventy thousand dollars i mean could we make our own maybe actually there's yeah i mean because someone someone linked in floatplane chat yeah apparently there's this scrubber that's made by a youtuber and it's a scrubber that looks to be marketed towards people that have aircraft hangers okay best scrubbers because your hanger deserves it is the tagline okay hold on hanger scrubbers now just a second here um it looks like it's manually operated laptop oh yeah no but like

Starting point is 01:59:21 if you took one of these things i'm sure you could convert it to not be manually oh interesting well how much are these i have no idea there's a contact us button get good scrub yeah i think it's like give us a call type of situation yeah figures quick release squeegee vacuum protection and easy fill yeah and like it looks like like maintenance would probably have to be manual and like uh i am assuming like draining the tank and whatnot would have to be manual where i bet you with the other solution it would be automated and automating that part of this thing would probably not be very feasible yeah um so i don't know you're probably not going to be able to get the whole way there but yeah okay army of room buzz i was thinking like my my

Starting point is 02:00:08 thing that does floor scrubbing yeah if you just had like i don't know 12 of them or something and you just zoned them all out so they just at a certain point in night they just all at the same time just maybe i mean they they cycle their own water they do mopping like they do all this type of stuff exterminate you could at the price difference between the 70k for that yeah and whatever you'd have to pay for these things you could just have like three of them in the back just in case one dies um i don't know someone linked an auto scrubber yeah pacific floor care s28 disc 28 inch auto scrubber fifteen thousand dollars i mean that seems pretty this looks like someone's pushing it yeah that's not the point yeah i wanted an

Starting point is 02:01:02 autonomous one. Yeah. That looks like a handle. That's definitely a handle. Almost certainly a handle. So anyway, you know what? I guess we might just have to have mops or something. But we'll figure it out. Walmart has automated versions?

Starting point is 02:01:20 I don't know. If we decide to do an automated one, then it'll definitely be a video. versions I don't know if we decide to do an automated one then it'll definitely be a video so remember how I said hey forget about the automatic scorekeeping with the machine vision team we might need a machine vision team anyway for a floor scrubber for fun for her scrubber sounds so much less worth it it sounds a lot easier like ways here can't you just put roomba brains in it like just rip the like motors out of a roomba and just glue it to the top of it way heavier yeah but it doesn't matter it's the same control assistant no i i no no i i see what luke's doing no we couldn't do that but that would be such a cool business for like Roomba to expand into

Starting point is 02:02:06 so you've got like you've got the dumb thing but then you just facility but you just get brains oh I see what you mean yeah yeah so they just so because yeah I might want new sensors in a new brain but it's a freaking mop I I don't need I I I don't need a whole new body. That would actually be like a modular approach to this. Could be kind of cool. Legitimately. Use a spot to do it. It just walks around with an actual mop and bucket.

Starting point is 02:02:44 That would be amazing. Yeah, instead of an arm on the top, it's a mop. How much is this thing? Great idea. Oh, man. People are just linking me like random. Just like every pusher and scrubber?

Starting point is 02:03:00 No, no, this one looks to be actually automated. Oh, okay. Wow, it's from Karcher. I had a pressure washer from them from Costco. That's all I know about them. Literally all. Oh, it looks like you could push it, I guess, which is fine. That's whatever.

Starting point is 02:03:16 This device requires instruction. Sure does. Request quote. All of these things are request quote, which means it's a lot. I want to see the video. Oh, right. I scrolled through it at the exact same time Nice we can just skip it is a three minute video Ooh docking station Wait

Starting point is 02:03:35 Wow No way no way What? Oh that's battery charging I thought that was like Replacing fluid Oh I'm sure it will Oh shut up no way okay that's awesome My little Roomba thing does that Well yeah but this goes right into the wall That was like replacing fluid. Oh, I'm sure it will. Oh, shut up. No way. Okay, that's awesome. My little Roomba thing does that.

Starting point is 02:03:48 Well, yeah, but this goes right into the wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'd be sick. That would be kind of sick. Does it refill it? Tell me it refills it. I hope so. Yeah, wait.

Starting point is 02:03:56 It cleans the tank. That's pretty cool. Okay, how much does this Karcher thing cost? We don't know because it's request quote. And do I need a subscription service for it? Do I have to configure it with their cloud? There we go. Fills with fresh water. Oh, this is kind of awesome.

Starting point is 02:04:11 I love the hydrophysics they got going on. Alright. Okay. Alright. Yeah, I'll find out. Takes off on its own. I'll get in touch with these guys and figure out if they have, if this will be suitable for my needs. You're going to turn this channel into an automated cleaning channel.

Starting point is 02:04:28 I know, right? That's the thing I love about LTT is you can kind of do, you know, whatever. Interesting things are interesting. Yeah. Interesting tech, right? Yeah. Pre-sweep function. Pick up coarse dirt while scrubbing.

Starting point is 02:04:42 Thank you, little robot. Yeah. I just hope it's actually any good. It does detergent dosing. That seems neat. It has a warning beacon, just in case it's going to roll over someone playing badminton. Wow.

Starting point is 02:04:59 And it dries. Yep. It's probably drier. There are options. All right. Another another thing if people want to just throw links at me like they currently are another thing that we're trying to figure out is how we want to do uh like memberships and uh court rentals and stuff like that and there's been a few there's been a few things that i've kind of found but i haven't found one that i think really fits perfectly yet so if you if you go to like a local court gym because i have found stuff for

Starting point is 02:05:33 like weightlifting gyms but i guess we're going to need both at this point um but being able to rent specific courts and being able to rent like multiple courts at the same time. Um, and also having your membership potentially play into that. We don't know how that might work yet. Maybe you get a discount on court rental, maybe something else. I don't know. Um, being able to have a membership on this other platform, all of those types of things. We want to ideally not make this stuff. Um, court reserve for tennis. Boom. This is why this is why court reserve, court reserve for tennis. Boom. This is why. This is why. Court reserve. Court reserve.

Starting point is 02:06:10 Court reservation software. Amazing. I will look into this. Thank you, people. This is kind of cool. Apparently you teach it by just manually driving around the perimeter of the area you want it to clean. But it has to be free of obstacles so i don't know how nets yeah would factor into that well we'll we'll figure this out yeah

Starting point is 02:06:33 all right what else do you want to talk about anyway in conclusion fossil bad yeah oh my god you're talking about watches yeah yep uh chinese company releases new cpu yeah uh pictures courtesy of tom's hardware here chinese company power leader has announced they will be entering the cpu market and unveiled their new chip, the PowerStar P3-01105, an obvious rebranding of the i3-10105. Power Leader claims the CPU uses Storm Core architecture and made no mention of Intel whatsoever. The company claims the CPU will be launching soon with an annual target of 1.5 million units sold.

Starting point is 02:07:33 We don't actually know anything more about it than this, and our hope was that we could generate a bit of discussion with you guys about how the heck Power Leader might be getting a hold of 1.5 million chips to rebrand, with you guys about how the heck Power Leader might be getting a hold of one and a half million chips to rebrand. And what exactly it is that they're trying to achieve here. What is going on? Oh, hello, my wife. Do you want to come say hi to Wancho? You never say hi to Wancho. How come you're so shy? No, I'm going to make you come say hi to Wancho to get the key.

Starting point is 02:08:12 If you want the key, you have to come say hi to Wancho. I just want to go home. Yeah, you can go home. You can go home after you say hi to Wancho. I'm going to hold it over here. Wow. Wow. All right.

Starting point is 02:08:30 Bye. Bye. All right. What else do we want to talk about? Oh, yeah, yeah, right, right, right. Oh, you guys, do they have one and a half million compatible motherboards and RAM sticks i i don't

Starting point is 02:08:45 know okay you guys haven't um really given us anything here man it would be really funny if they were just like uh yeah it just works with uh these boards just the pre-existing intel chipset i don't know people are speculating like factory defect cpus but those would never leave intel's factory which isn't in china so it's not like oh yeah it's like a third shift thing or fourth shift or whatever it's called when the the factory like runs an additional shift and just you know puts it into a truck and you can buy the literally the exact same product that came out of the same factory but at a tenth of the price or whatever this This is obviously not that. Some people are saying from the e-waste bin,

Starting point is 02:09:27 well, right, but people would get wise and stop buying them before they managed to sell a million and a half. Like, come on, guys, give me something here. Did they take over a boat? Like, if so, Intel would have reported a million and a half CPUs missing. Like, that would show up on their balance sheet.

Starting point is 02:09:44 That would be on a million and a half CPUs missing. That would show up on their balance sheet. That would be on a quarterly earnings call. Like, where are these coming from? Yeah, that's not the question, SecIT guy. It's where is it coming from? My guess is closed factory, revoked factory contract, kept it running. No, that's not how Intel works. Intel's a first-party manufacturer make their cpus there's no third-party contractor that is just you know

Starting point is 02:10:11 quietly moving cpus out the door people do steal cpus off the line you do see that from time to time especially with qualifying samples engineering samples you'll see a lot of that stuff show up. But in terms of retail ships, that's not really a thing. Linus, didn't you know Intel has a franchise program? Okay. All right. You guys are just teasing now. I mean, we've got some people sort of speculating that it could be political. I mean, we've got some people sort of speculating that it could be political.

Starting point is 02:10:53 I mean, there has been the whole back and forth over just the semiconductor industry in general between the U.S. and China. There was that whole thing earlier this week where there was speculation that the U.S. would rather blow up TSMC than let China have it, which is bad, by the way. Just sort of want to make my position clear on that. Simple answer, they're lying. But, like, to what end? What's the point of lying about this? Like, it just looks... Yeah, I don't... I just don't get this.

Starting point is 02:11:25 Image is a hoax. Yeah, okay, well, we don't... I just don't get this. Image is a hoax. Yeah, okay. Well, we don't know. Nobody... Yeah, nobody seems to have a clear idea of what exactly the crap is going on here. I thought maybe someone... I thought maybe someone knew.

Starting point is 02:11:39 Okay. All right. Cool. What else do you want to talk about? I need to do this really quick. Oh. All right. Cool. What else do you want to talk about? I need to do this really quick. Oh. All right. Oh.

Starting point is 02:11:50 And then I'm down to talk about whatever. I want to talk about the $615,000 in penalties for companies that faked anti-net neutrality comments. Yeah. What's going on with that? Okay. This is wild. This is like some next level bs this explains not all but at least some of how obviously beneficial things like net neutrality like right to repair don't just immediately happen where everyone just goes, oh yeah, that would

Starting point is 02:12:27 be good. Let's do that. Let's talk about this. Three companies, LCX Digital Media, Lead ID, and Efficient, I-F-F-I-C-I-N-T Inc., were hired by the broadband industry to enroll consumers in a campaign to repeal net neutrality rules in 2017. Instead, these companies submitted a combined 3.8 million fake responses to the FCC using the identities and personal information of real people without their knowledge or consent. consent so basically if you were actually a real person who got convinced somehow that net neutrality was a bad idea and was bad congratulations you played yourself you are as clever as a bot

Starting point is 02:13:19 like it's net neutrality is obvious it is obvious that it needs to be a thing um and because it's so obvious these companies clearly thought you know what we are never going to convince enough people of this yeah so we just need to fake it so we just need to fake it these companies have agreed to pay a total of 615 000 of penalties. So this is just over $6 per false representation. Wait, no, that doesn't seem right. 3.8 million fake responses. Okay, forget that math. They were not the only companies involved.

Starting point is 02:13:54 And this is actually the second batch of penalty agreements secured by the New York Attorney General. These allegations first came to light in 2021, but the head of the FCC at the time, Ajit Pai, was anti-net neutrality and fought attempts to investigate he was awful like the worst yep like actually just paid shill yep authorities were unable to substantiate that the big isps who paid for these fake comments had direct knowledge of the fraud and thus they have not been held liable six hundred and six hundred and fifteen thousand dollars feels very low that's like cost of doing business yep this is disgusting these companies shouldn't be allowed to exist

Starting point is 02:14:38 anymore in my opinion force closed what's that i don't think these companies should be allowed to exist anymore yeah I mean I don't I just don't understand why you can have like however many grams of weed or whatever and you can go to jail like

Starting point is 02:14:59 just fraud that's not a big deal yeah what yeah like the like the amount of the amount of money that was at stake oh in this net neutrality oh yeah in this net neutrality argument and like what are they going to overturn it now yeah this is hilarious lapsed memory goes the worst part is that this was known while it was happening yeah he specifically blocked any investigation yeah exactly yeah yeah we got people talking about like 650 grand is less than what some companies will pay for like a tv advertising spot yeah 100 think about super bowl spots yeah like man yeah and600K between three companies? Like, okay. Yeah, Hunter Lair is saying,

Starting point is 02:15:51 in my state, anything over an ounce is punishable by up to 20 years, and it's disgusting. Yeah, 100%. Like, why is white-collar crime just fine? It's okay. Isn't Elizabeth Holmes, like, still not in jail? Who's that? The, um... Theranos oh really she's not I thought she was has avoided starting her more than 11

Starting point is 02:16:13 year prison sentence on Thursday by deploying the same legal maneuver that enabled her co-conspirator in the blood testing hoax to remain free for an additional month okay because that would be an option if you had you know an ounce of weed in your bag anyways let's move on I want to talk about the Boink update. LTT. Yeah. Currently in second place. Doing good. But, but, but we will likely lose that spot

Starting point is 02:16:51 when the next two projects come online. So if you guys want to join our Boink team, we are currently behind Anon Tech. Sign-ups are open for prizes. More people would be appreciated. We need people running Numberfields at home and Einstein at home. So go check it out, guys. You can get more information, hopefully, at the link below.

Starting point is 02:17:11 Do we have a link below to that, Dan? Hopefully we do. Otherwise, check it out on the forum. You guys can learn more there. And I think that's pretty much it for the topics. Should we switch over to WAN Show After Dark? Yeah. Dropped my fidget toy how your fingers doing over there dan

Starting point is 02:17:31 painful fingers my my fingers are painful my fingers hurt well now your back's gonna hurt because you just pulled landscaping duty it's a line line from Happy Gilmore. I can't take credit for that. Ben Stiller in that movie is freaking hilarious. It's pretty great. Okay. Let's go. Let's go. I'm muted uh when you were leading a team of house painters how did you wow customers and manage quality any stories from that era uh he's starting his own painting franchise

Starting point is 02:18:19 six months ago with five painters how did you wow mean, really, I don't know that I ever wowed anyone. We obviously did our best and, you know, cared about quality. I didn't have a huge team. The biggest my team ever was was me plus two. So I ended up doing a lot more of the painting myself than I was supposed to. I wasn't a particularly good manager. So I was there on site most of the time unless I was doing quotes. So managing quality was fairly easy. In terms of how to wow people. I mean, honestly, speaking from both sides,

Starting point is 02:19:07 I'd say that if you're a contractor who shows up within an hour of when you say you will, you're going to wow the customer. Uh, that's like, wow. If you don't do like a terrible job. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:19:21 I had a guy, um, we just kind of gave up on ever getting around to moving the trampoline from the old place to the new place. And, uh, Yvonne found a guy on a Facebook marketplace who does it for like 200 bucks or something like that. And she was like, you know what, I'm just going to do this so that, uh, you know, one of the kids has a birthday party coming up so they can all jump. And like, I was not going to have an opportunity to get it done. And the guy showed up and did it at the agreed rate.

Starting point is 02:19:50 And I tipped him like 50 bucks or something like that because, wow, I couldn't believe it. You actually did it. I still don't have a pool. You're going to have us roll the trampoline down the street weren't you yeah, that was my that was my plan I wasn't actually gonna recruit you, but I was gonna have Luke help me Yeah, I probably would have been there the return of channel super fun last and Luke try to roll a trampoline I wanted to do it in the snow because i figured when we're going down the hill we could just kind of slide it that would have actually been so much

Starting point is 02:20:31 fun oh man okay that's so good hey ld recently started a new job with much more leeway for my own decision making leaving behind a job where I was micromanaged. Any advice for adjusting to this change, finding myself struggling? You have to make decisions. You're going to make wrong decisions sometimes. Have reasons for why you made your decision. Like if someone's like,

Starting point is 02:21:04 this went really poorly why did you do this be able to justify it and be like yeah i mean now that we've seen it gone poorly it makes sense but when i was originally making the decision this is why i made it and you know if if i didn't have the information of this going poorly and i went back to it and i had this original information i would still make that decision if you can defend it to that level then like it is what it is just got to keep moving but yeah understand that you're going to make mistakes and now they're going to be on you and that's okay hi peeps was looking for a video of yours from 2019 christmas buyer's guide i believe uh made my first computer with that can't find it anywhere is it common for you to delete old videos?

Starting point is 02:21:47 No, it's very uncommon for us to delete old videos. I think only a handful of actually published videos have ever been deleted. Uh, one of them included a detailed floor plan of my old house, for example, that just kind of seemed ill-advised. Um, what else? Yeah, really not much. Uh, oh, oh, we, uh, we pulled that, uh, see, I don't even remember that, that, uh, health monitoring ring, Aura, Aura, Aura, Aura. Uh, we, we pulled the video when they were all miffed about it um and we offered to make good and they weren't happy with it and we were like oh okay so i think they wanted to pull i don't i i can't even remember exactly what happened but basically i i don't think it was

Starting point is 02:22:38 really anyone's fault it just didn't work out so we pulled the video really really not many it's very uncommon yeah if you can't find it it's more likely that you just can't find it yeah the title is something different or whatever there's like 4 000 videos on the ltd channel or something like that like it's not yeah it's not a surprise that it's like hard to track down a particular one okay let's see oh should i done that hey dl that. Hey, DLL, long-time watcher, first-time caller. I'm going to be wrapping up my first-ever custom hardline water-cooling build in the next couple of weeks.

Starting point is 02:23:11 Any chance of a new review my build soon? Oh, interesting. Yeah, I mean, we ask people to submit bad builds, but I guess we've never actually asked the communities to submit their best builds maybe we should do that we used to do well no we used to do that on wayne show actually that's true super long time ago build of the week was a thing yeah huh yeah maybe it's a maybe it's a potential idea for the reaction channel yeah reaction channel yeah hi lld i love listening to you guys on saturdays when i'm out delivering mail

Starting point is 02:23:53 my pc is 20 feet away from the tv in my living room what is the easiest option to use my pc on my tv 20 foot hdmi cable uh yeah pretty much You might need to go optical, especially if you're running HDMI 2.1 at that kind of a distance. But I would personally just go with an active USB cable. You might be able to do 20 feet if you're just doing USB 2. And then a powered hub so that you can run mouse and keyboard

Starting point is 02:24:20 or a mouse and a game controller receiver, whatever. And then I would go with probably an optical HDMI 2.1 cable, assuming you want to do like 4K 120 hertz or something like that. By the way, we missed a topic that is actually kind of a big one. We could just do this real quick here, but the former Uber CSO was found guilty of concealing a data breach and something something basically six years in prison i think i thought we talked about this last week no i don't think we did oh okay um yeah but basically covered up a 2016 hack that compromised the data of 57 million users, including 600,000 driver's licenses.

Starting point is 02:25:08 Yikes. That's really rough. So they withheld information about the incident, and it was only investigated and disclosed in late 2017 when Uber came under new management. He actually got another security chief position in Cloudflare in 2018, only stepping down in 2022 to prepare for his trial. Yikes. That's brutal. Yeah, that's rough. I'm surprised nothing here is going towards the company.

Starting point is 02:25:37 But it is what it is. Yeah. All right, Dan, hit me. Apparently we just mentioned it last week. We didn't go into the topic. Back to Curated. Despite early excitement, I haven't seen much buzz around the WinGP D4 lately.

Starting point is 02:26:00 How do you think it compares to the ROG Ally as a portable Windows PC from your time with both? Other than price. Oh, man. price matters a lot and the hardware in the ally is a lot faster um the the smaller brands the gpds the ionios the 1x players of the world they've got it they're gonna have to have 7 000 series ryzen in order to compete with what asus is doing with the ally and with what valve is doing with the steam deck quite frankly even though that's even older hardware as we found in our review of the ally it still performs surprisingly well especially in lower power envelopes and you've got to imagine that a big part of that is thanks to the optimizations that valve is able to make by

Starting point is 02:26:47 just baking their own os taking their time working through the problems and really squeezing the most out of that hardware something that we didn't touch on like did not um hit in our review and should have is the differences between sleep on windows and on the steam deck just instant sleep instant wake it's a more a more console-like experience is much more seamless on the steam deck whereas on windows it's like rough yeah yeah exactly you're not really able to suspend it in the same way. With more employees in the labs building, how many times per hour are people and equipment moving back and forth?

Starting point is 02:27:38 Are you going to have to hire someone just to drive a truck between the buildings? Oh, you mean between buildings? I thought you just meant inside the lab. We work in a hallway. Oh my God. Poof! There's a lot of people that work there there you start to realize that when you work in a hallway um yeah like five percent of the people you recognize and it's it's fantastic when when people decide to have impromptu meetings in the middle of our hallway um it's not that bad i'm just complaining uh yeah i don't know i don't see it often personally like needing to get things between the buildings

Starting point is 02:28:05 the only thing i normally need to get between the buildings is myself um so i don't not a very good person to answer this but from from my observation point it's really not that bad was there any lifespan testing on the stick locks um i mean they're made of a very durable silicone rubber. Tell you what, if they fail I got you. Sorry that's not what it is. Trust me bro! That's the one. That would be good on a shirt. I recently saw a video about linking chat GPT to Home Assistant. It can't control anything yet, but it's only a matter of time. Linus, would you trust an LLM AI with keys to your home automation?

Starting point is 02:28:51 Well, it depends, right? Because as long as it's... Ooh, yeah. So hold on a second. No, I don't want anything that is web-based. You self-host oh but you can self-host chat gpt not chat forms of it but there are there are multiple forms of it okay so i was specifically responding to chat gpt but if i'm just talking about in general an llm yeah i don't see why not as long as i'm self-hosting it as long as i'm the one who controls who is allowed to interface with it i mean it's not actually sentient i think yeah decisions i was gonna say i think what

Starting point is 02:29:30 the the the merch message is asking is like are you gonna trust it to not like i can't let you do that dave to your house yeah i'm not worried about that yeah yeah linus do you ever troll your family with automation my wife will leave every light in the house on when she does every speaker plays the song every light in the house she hates country um i like staying in my marriage for the most part that's actually hilarious. I mean, it's so funny. Oh my goodness. You say that, but then what was that like

Starting point is 02:30:10 when she came to pick up the key? Oh yeah, it's just bugging her. Okay. Oh no, he trolls his family. Why not use your house? All the time. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever really done it. You know what?

Starting point is 02:30:21 I would say that the very installation of smart switches is trolling my wife at this point. The fact that they are still in the house and not all working properly because I think it's something to do with just how much communication those particular switches spam out onto the network. The controller just gets overwhelmed. I think we've kind of narrowed it narrowed down what the problem is they just can't handle such a big install um she's not happy so you know what once i've got everything set up if those new in a belly ones work out great yeah maybe but for now no i don't have a death wish or at least i don't wish to sleep in the guest room on the couch. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What is the next big step in the lab?

Starting point is 02:31:10 What are you most excited about getting from the lab? The most exciting thing for me that I expect to get from the lab is way more roundups. Like, who wants a review of the EVGA B450 watt semi-modular. No! No, I want to know what the best power supply under $35 is. That's all I actually care about. And so once we're testing in bulk, I want to do way more content like that.

Starting point is 02:31:45 What is the best sounding true wireless earphone? Just everything else aside, we'll talk about that other stuff, but give me a headline and give me real data to back it up. I don't want just like BS listicles, you know? Yeah. Really excited about that. And the PSU tester being online

Starting point is 02:32:03 is definitely something I'm super excited about. We're actually going to be shooting a lab update on Monday. We've actually printed things with the Metal 3D printer now. So I'll be showing you guys some print results. We've got the power supply tester, the RF chamber, the floor is in. So at the end of the RF chamber video, the floor wasn't actually in because we wanted to shoot while they were installing so we could give you guys a better look at how it was going together.

Starting point is 02:32:29 So you're going to see in the lab update, we've got the floor and now we're going to talk a little bit more about the cellular network testing gear that we're going to be putting in there. RF chamber is super cool, man. You want to know something wild? You know how in science class you learn that just, you know, a metal enclosure is a Faraday cage? Yeah, well, not all Faraday cages are created equal. Like, you know how you can put your cell phone in the microwave and you'll still get a text, even though it's a Faraday cage?

Starting point is 02:32:56 But that Faraday cage is designed for a particular, yeah, I guess how would I even describe this, like particular type of radiation. Yeah. And it's not perfect for everything. And so what's really cool is the, man, the precision with which they have to be built, just mind blowing. There's this like baffle, this like pass through

Starting point is 02:33:23 that's designed for you to put your optical cables through so that you can actually get data inside it. Yeah. And it's engineered so tightly that if you take just like a wire and just stick it through it, the background noise goes from like minus 150. Don't quote me on these numbers. You'll see it in the video. Like minus 150 dB to like set minus 70 yeah like huge huge difference just from putting a wire through a hole in this whole room that we're in absolutely mind-blowing so cool yeah yeah we are going to be able to test some cool stuff though

Starting point is 02:33:59 man the i'm very excited to throw my phone at it i already talked to them about it like the wifi router market has had what for objective testing yeah what freaking wifi access point do you buy I don't know just reading on a spec sheet and hoping

Starting point is 02:34:21 hey LLD reading on a spec sheet and hoping. A-L-L-D. I worked for Zeku, the in-house chip company for Oppo. Is it Zeku or Zeku? I'm not sure. I don't think it matters anymore. Let's do both.

Starting point is 02:34:40 Zeku just closed yesterday without any warning. Why do you think Oppo chose now to leave the custom chip race? We have produced two working chips. Honestly, for me, the bigger question is why they thought they should enter the custom chip race. It's really challenging. And there's a reason that there's only, I mean, what I guess we could say Apple, Qualcomm, MediaTek actually has some decent designs these days don't they but there's there's only there's only a handful of you know really successful arm integrators and the ones that are successful these days are adding a lot of special sauce to their designs

Starting point is 02:35:20 making them very custom rather than just you know taking arm core ip and just you know putting it onto a cpu if you want to be competitive uh yeah google google's another one it's really tough and i don't i don't see a company like oppo even at their scale i don't see it making sense for them to try to to try to develop their own chip IP. I don't I don't get it. It's just it's so hard. Okay, last curated one I've got here. Hi, WAN.dll. When looking at channel metrics, how do you take into account users that lie about their age?

Starting point is 02:36:05 Old account created while underage, currently underage, privacy or humor reasons? We can't. We just assume that, well, okay, well, we can't. Google definitely has mechanisms in place to try to account for that. They will profile you based on the kind of content that you look at and the kind of behavior that you exhibit but other than that it's all just you know a best guess right it's a heck of a lot better than what we had before that's what's turned google into such an advertising juggernaut is you know newspapers and magazines were just guessing if they don't actually know who's reading them i mean cosmo you know made a pretty educated guess that it's probably mostly women reading it, but they couldn't actually

Starting point is 02:36:48 verify that. Well, in the same way, Google is making a pretty good guess that, you know, someone who self-identifies as a 45-year-old man is probably a 45-year-old man, because who would lie about that? Do you want to be a 45 year old man not necessarily i think there's probably also a lot of habits with like if you're gonna lie about your age you're either gonna pick like a hundred or just barely acceptable because why bother scroll further yeah so like yeah i don't know okay that's all we got for curated now. Let's go through some of these potentials. That might be spicy. Yeah, good luck everybody.

Starting point is 02:37:29 Have fun! Thanks for championing consumer rights. Right to repair. And calling out bad company behaviors. Why not call out Valve more for doing some things like locking in proprietary modding and DRM? I wasn't even sure they did that, honestly. Well, DRM isn't bad.

Starting point is 02:37:52 DRM, invasive DRM, or that compromises your privacy DRM, is bad. Root kits are bad, right? But DRM is not inherently bad. DRM is like, should i also criticize walmart for having a security guard standing at the exit to you know check your receipt or costco sorry costco having someone standing at the exit to check your receipt that's kind of drm it's like it's anti-theft right like it's not um i think i think valve does enough things right that whether they

Starting point is 02:38:27 deserve it or not they get a lot of free passes um the way that they turn a blind eye to skins gambling is absolutely the most egregious thing that they're engaging in for profit and just you know ethics be damned um yeah well that's also like that type of activity i know this is not exactly the same thing but that type of activity went from like like you could never talk about gambling in relation to sports the whole time i was growing up and now the like main advertisers of all of them are gambling websites yeah it's kind of wild right now like the the world just like gave up on gambling which is very interesting to me. It's kind of depressing.

Starting point is 02:39:06 Yeah. People are saying, yeah, DRM in theory isn't bad, but it precludes people running stuff. Wait, it precludes people running stuff however they want. It's all bad. No, I can't say that I actually agree. Someone said it's bad when it's no longer supported. But my understanding is Valve came out and basically said,

Starting point is 02:39:28 yeah, we'll turn it all off if we ever close steam i don't know that that's actually in their user agreement i don't know how that works with third-party developers clearly steam has grown beyond valve's wildest dreams when they were first developing it i guess there's plenty of time for us to be outraged when that happens and it could happen like i have no idea what valve's ownership structure is does anybody know they're privately held presumably mr newell still owns a significant amount of it he's not getting any younger like when gabe newell dies does steam shut down i i actually don't it's not impossible i have no idea it's improbable. Highly. But it is not impossible. Right. Like this is not a publicly held company. There's no guarantee of continuity here.

Starting point is 02:40:17 We can all hope it stands around for a little while, I guess. Let's see. I'll archive that one. Watching since 2015, an LTT helped me feel comfy switching jobs into the tech sector from teaching. Still dealing with imposter syndrome, but curious what certifications or knowledge would LMG expect for a systems administrator? You hired for it. Yeah, I mean, we looked for like a bunch of different stuff. I don't know if the listing is still up. It's probably down now.

Starting point is 02:40:46 But we looked for a bunch of different stuff. But kind of the main thing we were looking for, which is pretty normal for us, was experience or portfolio. Obviously, you're not necessarily going to have an amazing portfolio for that position. You might, but I doubt it. I don't know how you'd like represent it very easily. You could, but yeah, it would be kind of tough um but yeah we mostly looked for experience what have you worked with um we did consider a bunch of different certifications and stuff though but there's like there's so many that that specific space is just like absolutely covered with them um and most jobs will will list the ones they actually care about.

Starting point is 02:41:27 So I don't know. I would just look into that. Oops, we're all doing merch messages. Hi, Linus and Luke. Grateful for you. You have talked about missing features, but have you come across any apps or creative solutions that have been fundamentally changing

Starting point is 02:41:43 your daily routine for the better hmm um any apps or creative solutions that have fundamentally changed your daily routine for the better i mean reminders were a big thing for me when those showed up on smartphones the clock app yeah i mean you'll be set a lot i like the clock app that starts google routines at my alarm times turns on all my lights i have an app called food checklist um that is if maintained well which we do a pretty good job of kind of indispensable for uh shopping we don't track anything in our fridge on it. You can, but we don't just because the in and out is so fast. Yeah, we'd spend more time on our phones than actually like, you know, cooking.

Starting point is 02:42:34 But for the freezer, it's great because before we were just awful about, you know, buying some like pre-done meal thing. Dumping it in there, not using it, buying another one. Exactly, exactly. So our freezer would be full, and we'd be like, holy crap, we have nine of those pizza-making kits. Why have we not made pizza in the last six months? It's ridiculous, right?

Starting point is 02:42:58 Yeah, everyone should make pizza once a month. The thing that actually triggered it, I think, is Yvonne came back from Costco with a two pack of cinnamon raisin bread while her parents also bought us a two pack of cinnamon raisin bread. And I think there were already like five or six loaves in the freezer. And I was like, okay, this is, we need a solution. Can't continue.

Starting point is 02:43:18 And it's partially my fault because I'm super bingey. So I once ate an entire loaf of that in one sitting yeah one sitting and so when i'm at like my peak consumption of something you actually cannot keep it in stock in the house and then i'll just go cold on it and stop eating it and then if you just keep like dumbly buying one and i don't mean dumbly like like intelligence dumb like just kind of like autopilot buying them every time you go shopping, which would have been a perfectly reasonable thing to do. It's going to pile up. And if you have no way of knowing what's in the freezer, because you try having three kids and running a company and like every crap other thing that Yvonne does um you know you you'd forget to check the freezer before you go shopping too it happens so yeah food checklist it's pretty kind of great

Starting point is 02:44:12 um and I think it was a one-time lifetime purchase I don't think it's a subscription anymore they also have a subscription option obviously but I was like nah it's stupid so I bought the one-time thing hey l and l my wife and daughter are starting a youtube channel non-tech at what point in their subscriber ramp should they start to work with flowplane zero subscribers one thousand ten thousand more i'd say if it's any earlier than like a hundred or a couple hundred thousand it's probably not going to be very effective the thing is that you've got to build an audience before you can monetize an audience you actually cannot put the cart in front of the horse and you're only going to be able to monetize some percentage of that audience so you look at obviously it's not apples to apples because there are some subscribers to the ltt

Starting point is 02:45:01 ltt channel that subscribed 12 years ago and probably haven't looked at the content in over a decade, right? So it's, if I say, okay, yeah, we have 15 million subscribers on YouTube and we've only converted 42,000 of them to floatplane, you can't look at that ratio and go, oh, well, I'll probably have a similar level of success, but you also can't ignore that, right? Out of 15 million, we've converted 42,000 000 now that's enough to really move the needle for us these days but at that ratio if you had one and a half million you might have four thousand if you had half a million you might have like 1200 subscribers on something like a Patreon or something like a float plane. If you had 100,000, you might have, so what's the math here? Let's go down another fifth. So you'll

Starting point is 02:45:53 have like 230 people or whatever that works out to. 230 people at $5 a month. Okay, so maybe you're getting about $1,000 a month. That's $12,000 dollars a year if you were planning to live off of that that's going to be fairly challenging unless you live in the middle of like butt f**k nowhere and you know you are on a farm where you can grow your own food or something like i don't know like yeah farming content sure no problem let's go but the but the math right like it's in order for it to actually move the needle, you've got to have a significant subscriber base. People have gotten really offended when they'll have like 100 subscribers

Starting point is 02:46:34 and they'll ask about external platform funding. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think it's a good idea right now. And this won't even be in like relation to floatplane necessarily. Should I start a Patreon? I'm like, probably not. And they get pissed. And I'm and i'm like no it's not i'm not trying to belittle you have we've talked about this on one show before literally every single action you ever do has a that means you're not doing some other form of action and like no you shouldn't just like drown under this thought process forever,

Starting point is 02:47:05 but you should consider like, is it worth my time to start and maintain this other thing when I am at this stage of my growth as a channel or whatever it is? No, work on just hard focusing on your main channel. And there are inflection points, right? Once you get to a certain size, it might be like, man,

Starting point is 02:47:26 this is like working pretty good or whatever, but like I could use a bit more cash because if I had a bit more cash, I could bring on like another editor or something. And by doing that, I could use my time in other ways to do other stuff. It's like, okay, now is the time. It makes sense.

Starting point is 02:47:39 Like, yeah, you might hit those certain points where it becomes more or more worth it depending on what size you're at or, or how hardcore your audience is. There's channels that will perform extremely well on these types of platforms, whatever they are, um, because they have niche, heavily invested audiences. Yeah. So even though their channel is like in quotes, small, they have a really intense following that is going to follow them and is going to financially support them and then but if you know that then that's great so your

Starting point is 02:48:10 inflection point might be at a different spot than potentially someone else you will also see channels that are enormous and just cannot can convert no one yeah because all their followers are not going to put money behind their following no matter what happens or they're located in regions where that too that kind of disposable income is not feasible is not going to work yeah and that's fine uh but then you should also understand that like maybe it's it's still not worth it for you even if you are a really large channel if your audience is not going to be able to have that funding power, which is fine. You just might want to do different things in order to grow.

Starting point is 02:48:48 So, yeah. That's it. It's not a slight, is all I'm saying. Hi, Linus, and welcome to The Dan Show. I noticed you are a fan of Taylor Swift. Are you going for an ERA's tour concert? I managed to get tickets on my girlfriend's birthday. She's a big swifty i

Starting point is 02:49:05 don't actually do too many concerts i um i am super introverted i know you can't tell because i'm a youtuber and i have kind of like a bombastic on-camera personality particularly for the pre-recorded stuff but i i don't i don't i don't like dancing in public I don't like like my way of enjoying music is to put in headphones or put on headphones something to do with headphones and listen to it myself by myself like honestly the amount of social interaction that I have to do running a company and having a family is kind of all I can handle. It's enough.

Starting point is 02:49:48 Yeah. Yeah, it's more than enough. I think it'd be super cool to go to a Taylor Swift concert. But, yeah, oh, man, it's also, like, it's a lot of work. Like, it takes hours. I had someone uh we actually sponsored a small badminton tournament it's like a thousand dollars or something like that like it wasn't it wasn't a huge amount or anything but um what was stupid about it was that i had a ton of

Starting point is 02:50:16 people notice that we sponsored it and ask me about it because i know a ton of badminton people locally and they're like so you're playing right and I'm like no like you sponsored it I'm like yeah but it's like it's a double knockout tournament I'm not I'm not good enough to win it it's like an hour for me to drive there I'm gonna play at most two sets or two matches so I will play for about they're probably going to be two sets to complete so I will play for at most about 30 minutes 40 minutes and then I will play for about, they're probably going to be two sets to complete. So I will play for at most about 30 minutes, 40 minutes, and then I will drive an hour home. It's just, oh, right. And making matters worse, if you lose your first,

Starting point is 02:50:54 usually they run the winner bracket first and the consolation bracket after. Oh, so you just have to wait. So I'll be waiting. So I'll get there. I'll drive an hour. I'll get there. I'll play for like 30 minutes. I'll get cold. Right. I'll wait for three hours. Then I'll play again cold and probably lose because I suck. And then I'll drive home for an hour. It's like I I don't know. It's not it's just not worth it. Like I have no problem supporting the event, but I only play waterfall tournaments now because I just can't.

Starting point is 02:51:25 Do you know the waterfall format? I believe so. Yeah, so it guarantees at least three matches. So also called ABCD Flight. And basically what it does is it takes the main draw and as soon as you lose, you go to, I believe if you lose first, you go to i believe if you lose first you go to uh c flight and then if you lose again you go to d flight and you compete there in a knockout tournament and then if you lose if you

Starting point is 02:51:53 win your first but lose your second you go to b i think and then if you lose again you go to c i don't remember how it works but basically it's it pretty cool. And what it does is it makes it so that by the time you're in the right flight, your matches should be really close and should be winnable. But it requires an enormous draw, a ton of participation. It requires way more court time because every player is guaranteed at least three matches. And it requires a huge facility because otherwise you can't run this enormous draw in parallel and people end up just like waiting around all day so people don't run them very often linus you've mentioned in a few videos

Starting point is 02:52:35 that it's important to never insult your fans so what exactly was the trust me bro shirt then it felt very mocking love the the show otherwise. Thanks. Um, I don't know. I guess from my point of view, I, um, I didn't think too much of the WAN show audience would be that off put by it. And, you know, maybe I, maybe that was a swing and a miss

Starting point is 02:52:59 for me, obviously, right? Um, you know, I thought that, I thought that my track record of taking care of things was pretty clear. There were some things that I obviously didn't communicate very well. Like when I was talking about like the number, the way that people misinterpreted what I was talking about with respect to like the warranty liability for like my family, if I passed away or something like that, I wasn't actually concerned about the warranty liability what I was concerned about was us coming up with a policy that made sense and was something that we could

Starting point is 02:53:30 follow through on no matter no matter what and figuring out what mechanisms we needed in place so what would that look like well planning for the worst case scenario like in the event of my death or something like that, would that look like some kind of cache of backpacks and screwdrivers held by a third party, an escrow or something? Like, I don't know. I just didn't know the solutions. You know, as it was, all people wanted was a piece of paper that said this like standard boilerplate thing. And then the whole thing went away. And I'm looking at it going, that's meaningless. You know that, right? And so, yeah, I thought it was kind

Starting point is 02:54:09 of funny. And I did a trust me brochure. Like at the end of the day, all it came down to was my word. That was all you have now. That's all you ever had. And that's all you're ever going to have because I'm the director and primary shareholder of this company. So at the end of the day, if I decided to fold up shop and not honor anything, I could do that. And so you guys either do trust me or you don't. And it seems like for the most part you do. Thank you. But yeah, the whole thing in retrospect, I handled it extremely poorly and it just, it

Starting point is 02:54:44 just felt kind of ridiculous to me, the way that it blew up, when at the end of the day, nothing I ever said was actually incorrect. It was just upsetting. Sorry. That's my Canadian conclusion to the whole saga, I guess. Okay, let's get some more curated in here.

Starting point is 02:55:10 Hello, LLD. Staying up late to watch you from the European Union. What's your take on user benchmark? People sometimes quote me their insanely wrong comparisons and anti-AMD propaganda that they take at face value. Yeah, the lab is basically, the lab's job is to make it so that sites like that don't exist anymore. There's another one that every time I try to compare like some laptop GPU to something,

Starting point is 02:55:41 I always end up on this site and it's like worthless. It actually has no useful information whatsoever. I don end up on this site and it's like worthless. It actually has no useful information whatsoever. I don't care how many stream processors it has. How fast does it go? And so the labs' goal is going to be to make a database that you can actually trust. Database of real data, not just a base.

Starting point is 02:56:01 And that was based. Bonkers. Where's my bell? I've had at least a couple bells today. No, you don't have to do it. I've been slacking on the bell. Yeah, it's fine. You've replied to a lot of merch messages.

Starting point is 02:56:15 Hey, Linus, Luke, and Dan. Luke, I saw Theo talking about how you're a great developer manager. This is positive. Great. Stop crying. Wow. I started my job as a... I'm developer manager. This is positive. Great. Stop crying. Wow. I started my job as a junior... I'm not crying, you're crying.

Starting point is 02:56:29 I started my job as a junior developer four months ago and I was wondering if you have any advice for dev starting out. Ah, whoa, that's really broad. Wow. I don't know... Wait, he started a job? Is that what he said?

Starting point is 02:56:44 So he has a job? Yeah. They have a job? Yeah, he started a job. Is that what he said? So he has a job? Yeah. They have a job? Yeah. He's been a junior developer for four months. Okay. Been working for four months. I would check in with your leadership. Yeah, I would check in with your direct report. And if there's a person above that, that you are able to comfortably talk to about this stuff, I would check in with your direct report. And if there's a person above that, that you are able to comfortably talk to about this stuff, I would check in with them and just see what they think you could do better in

Starting point is 02:57:13 order to advance, um, to not being a junior anymore. And you've only been a junior for four months. So you're like probably not that close. So don't expect like, well, it's going gonna happen right now

Starting point is 02:57:25 um but expect maybe some feedback of like basically ask them what it would take in their eyes for you to advance to the next level what you would need to be displaying consistently as a as a skill or or whatever else to be able to get there um and work with them to to grow internally that's what i would suggest hold on tarfeef 101 is still not getting the point over in floatplane chat if you gotta close the company to not honor the warranty versus just decide not to but stay open because there's no warranty then that's not the same one is better that's not what i said what i said was we would need systems in place to ensure that whatever we promised would be honored, even if the company were closed.

Starting point is 02:58:08 That's what I said. It was always, trust me, bro. It was always, we got this. We were always going to got this. We were never trying to get out of anything. I remember that era very precisely because I remember a plan that I had to try to come up with some kill switch where i could close your chat boxes because i was so tired of you reading chat just like getting in fights with chat for entire streams there was like at least a month there where that was like

Starting point is 02:58:39 all that happened i was like this is so annoying you're just getting baited into just everything but people still they're still like i i i'm not a perfect communicator i don't claim to be yeah maybe maybe maybe i may you know what maybe we need to be under new management maybe they would do a better job maybe they wouldn't be reckless and die and then you wouldn't have to worry about your warranty badman related injury yeah whole company goes under yeah oh man i mean look you can't just eat an entire loaf of bread like that and then go exercise you're gonna keel over that's how you get cramps that's what my stupid doctor said before i fired him it's raisins it's got raisins it's frozen it's fine we've there should there should be back and forth discourse so i want to i want to say that before i get into this i'm not saying people shouldn't be shouldn't be critical or

Starting point is 02:59:37 constructive uh but it it ties somewhat into the same concept that i brought up a billion times about the blizzard press conferences yeah where like when people scream at the developers on stage because they say something that isn't pr great that all that's going to lean into is them not putting devs on stage anymore yeah and also we would have never had to do any of that stuff because shadow slayer puts this really well historically though not lin, denying basically every warranty request is very viable as a scummy tactic. We wouldn't have to do anything. We would just have to just deny warranty requests.

Starting point is 03:00:13 It's that simple. And whether you have a written one or not, it doesn't really matter. You could just deny it. Because pretty much every warranty has legalese cover your butt wording in it that allows you to just deny it at your sole discretion. That's just, that's, that's, that's like,

Starting point is 03:00:28 no company is going to go under over a warranty issue. They will try to weasel out of it. Fortunately, we're in a position where our primary business is not making products still. Our primary business is still creating content so we wouldn't go under that's why i said at the time if every single one of them got returned it would suck but it wouldn't kill us so we actually can afford like this is like how i've talked about why the warranty and service situation is so bad in the tech industry because the margins suck it's actually not sustainable to offer the kind of service that some other industries do

Starting point is 03:01:09 like when you buy a a pair of you know let's just pick on someone that i consider to be kind of overpriced when you buy a pair of lululemon pants okay lululemon yoga pants those freaking things cost well yeah i expect a no questions asked warranty on this thing because you could have lit you could literally give me six of them for what i paid you yeah by the time you've given me three you're still laughing all the way to the bank right like of course they don't have that kind of margins in tech so they tend to behave very very differently so we're kind of more like a lulule tend to behave very, very differently. So we're kind of more like a Lululemon, where we don't actually make our money selling you backpacks. We certainly

Starting point is 03:01:50 make money, but that's not how we make our living, I guess is what I should have said. So we can afford to take back every backpack if we really needed to. It's a very luxurious position because it allows us to behave in a way that's just not easy to compete with the trust me bro guarantee is freaking awesome we got you i mean don't be a jerk about it obviously but we got you yeah those customer support people are real people and they're nice people and they're cool people be nice to them i am never curating another merch message thank you thank you Thank you! I have learned my lesson! Thank you! We are moving on. Appreciate it. For Linus and Luke, what aspects of your job feel like work

Starting point is 03:02:30 and when does it feel like you are being paid to have fun? I mean, really, I think the most fun thing for me is talking about the Trust Me Bro warranty. I knew it! I knew that was going to happen. I was going to slip one into the merch message just to screw with Luke. It's Luke's face that really is the best part. I don't know who I should give it to happen. I was gonna slip one into the merch message just to screw with Luke. It's Luke's face that really is the best part.

Starting point is 03:02:46 I don't know who I should give it to. Do I upset Luke or do I let Linus upset Luke? I can never pick. Oh my god. I just like... oh man. At this point, it wasn't even recent. Like, and it's over. Oh, now Luke is doing it. What's fun about your job? Is it it this you don't seem to like this no i actually really like this so i don't i i barely consider wansho work the only portion of wansho that's work is i can't technically do other things because i do wansho but like i enjoy doing wansho i don't want to stop doing wansho we've had this conversation before there have been points in time in the company's history where wansho was an anchor but like I enjoy doing Wancho. I don't want to stop doing Wancho. We've had this conversation before.

Starting point is 03:03:27 There have been points in time in the company's history where Wancho was an anchor. Yeah, a burden. It was a huge waste of time. These days, not so much. It's doing a lot better, but like there have been times where we're like, wow, if we look at this logically, we should really not do this thing anymore yeah and we've kept it

Starting point is 03:03:46 going because like it's just sort of cool i don't know um i don't think either of us have ever actually understood why people watch it but we like hosting it yeah it's fun i mean maybe that's why maybe that's why they like watching it maybe because okay yeah i figured it out I figured it out Well neither of us would watch WAN show Because we don't have to watch WAN show To hang out I don't mind hanging out with you for three hours And you

Starting point is 03:04:16 No problem So that's it So it's just like a hangout But we can do it anytime we want. We can just jump in discord, but they can't. So they watch WAN show. Fair enough. Okay.

Starting point is 03:04:31 Yeah. Okay. I think I finally get it. That makes sense. Nice. Nice. But yeah, I don't know that stuff. I, there's a bunch of parts of my job that like, yeah, it obviously feels like a job,

Starting point is 03:04:43 but I enjoy it. Um, I don't enjoy i enjoy making stuff or like my team making stuff if i want to be more accurate um i don't enjoy when those things have like I don't enjoy when those things have like hugely negative impacts on the company. Like if something that we do like goes down in a really bad way, that sucks. If it like kind of goes up in flames, but we're still able to hold things together and we can push through and we make it. Like the roast. Super cool.

Starting point is 03:05:22 Yeah. we can push through and we make it roast super cool yeah but when things like actually just critical brutal fail in a way that like wrecks other people's jobs or days or whatever that's like a yeah that that kind of blows um but i mean yeah i think i think there's a lot of that around here i think by and large people care about the rest of the team so it's like yeah i don't think anyone wants to waste anybody else's day yeah i think that's pretty normal like i i don't know it's a jo there was a bunch of this uh hmm matter i don't think this is a big deal there was a there was a decent amount of this in um when people talked about like what it's like working here right they were like yeah i think from the outside sometimes people forget that it's a job

Starting point is 03:06:06 like it's a job you have to do job things you have to actually work yeah like remember that reddit post where the person was complaining about like having to work here essentially yeah they're like I didn't want to work when I showed up to work and it's like well like you have to work really hard yeah it's like yeah yep okay well if you can find someone who will pay you to hang out at a social club, then by all means go do that. Then, congratulations. I can't compete with that! This ain't it. I got bills to pay!

Starting point is 03:06:31 Yeah, this is more like, I don't know, we're more like dogs chasing cars. Like we're, there's stuff to do! Yup. I don't know. It was always gonna be like that. Yeah. Uh, Tyback says, I thought you guys weren't supposed to watch those videos going to be like that. Yeah. Tyback says, I thought you guys weren't supposed to watch those videos.

Starting point is 03:06:48 That's me. I can. I'm not allowed to watch. That's the only promise that I ever made is that I wouldn't watch it, and I still haven't. Yeah. I haven't. And I don't think tons of people have said that all the time. That isn't a spoiler.

Starting point is 03:06:59 I also didn't say who said it. Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Well, I never said I wouldn't incidentally come across information about it. I just said that I will not watch it. And he doesn't watch matter. Yeah. Well, I never said I wouldn't incidentally come across information about it. I just said that I will not watch it. And he doesn't watch it. I still haven't watched the first one. I think what I said with the first one is when and if I step out of the company, I'll watch it then. So I'm going to watch it someday, but not while I'm still working here with the people who were interviewed.

Starting point is 03:07:23 I didn't want to. I don't even remember what I said. I should go back and watch interviewed. I didn't want to... I don't even remember what I said. I should go back and watch it. I didn't want to influence the process. I wanted to be as light touch as humanly possible on it because I wanted it to be actually interesting. If I'm standing over people while they're answering, they're not going to behave naturally, right?

Starting point is 03:07:42 I mean, even as it is, I'm sure people pulled their punches a little bit. But I hope not. You should have seen the stuff Dan said about you, dude. Oh, really? It was brutal. He just laid into you. How bad was it, Dan?

Starting point is 03:07:55 It was pretty tight. I never said I wouldn't ask people about it after, I guess. What's up, Dan? You know, I mean, I had to go to the store and everything. You had to go to the store? everything you had to go to the store am I missing something here I don't know who got the condoms what

Starting point is 03:08:10 it's mostly about the end of my my interview I bought the cantaloupe for the prison phone video was that like on your first I had not been working here long excuse me Daniel Oh! Was that, like, on your first, like... I had not been working here long. Excuse me, Daniel.

Starting point is 03:08:28 We need you to go and purchase a cantaloupe. Why is that, sir? We're going to stick a phone in it. It's for somebody's butt. Yeah, ready? See you later, Dan. Bye! Anywho.

Starting point is 03:08:40 That was... I had no idea at all what you were talking about. Here's the latest float plane exclusives. We've got Dan front and center on both of them. So if you guys were hoping for more Dan. Way to go. We also have a float plane exclusive coming to the WAN, about the WAN show coming to float plane. Oh, excellent.

Starting point is 03:08:55 Yeah, that's, this is the place to get all the behind the scenes. You can get extras from the interviews from What's It Like Working for LMG. We've got a lot of those full interviews. We've got cutting room floor from the build with my sister-in-law. This is a cool series, their first time. We've got Sarah, Nick and Colton up so far. It's reacting to their first time on camera. This is just a random behind the scenes compilation featuring,

Starting point is 03:09:21 I think Dan's in it. A bunch of people are in it. Jake Diggs from the lab's in it. Yeah. Don't miss it. A bunch of people are in it. Jake Dane's from the labs in it. Yeah, don't miss it. Floatplane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Floatplane. Hey, any new beta site stuff to talk about?

Starting point is 03:09:32 We mostly just like fixed stuff this week. That makes sense. Yep. That makes a lot of sense. Cool. But we pushed all the things we wanted to push. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 03:09:43 I'm not. But that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Hey, Linus. Have you tried streaming your PC to your phone over 4G as an alternative to buying an expensive handheld PC? I've done it and it looks good at 5 megabits connection considering how low that is and the screen size. Looks good.

Starting point is 03:10:04 Latency sucks. Man, we have a video on that is and the screen size. Looks good. Latency sucks. We have a video on that. Remember the DIY thing? Yeah, the DIY shield. I don't think we did it over cellular data, though. I think that was over Wi-Fi. Probably not. Probably over Wi-Fi. Over cellular data, I mean, if you're playing a very

Starting point is 03:10:19 sightsy game, sure. You're not going to be playing any Super Meat Boy, though. You're going to play like Vampire Survivors or something. You're going to chew. Boy, are you ever going to be playing any super meat boy though you play like vampire survivors or something you're gonna chew boy are you ever gonna chew through your data cap though wowie dear lld since the thumbnail for today is about shilling can we get some more merch options that are just big logos names shilling i know you aren't a fan but can you just make my can you just take my money anyway okay so that's uh wow you know what that actually ties into

Starting point is 03:10:55 something we were talking about earlier the whole thing where i was saying that you have to reach a certain scale before like a patreon or a float plane type of monetization makes sense because you'll only be able to convert a certain percentage. Let's take that and let's apply it another step down. So float plane has a very clear value add where occasionally we'll upload videos early, particularly before weekends. We've got extra content, like clearly, if you're into the content, you might be into the extra content and it's got from my experience just a much more positive pleasant community vibe whether it's on the live chat during the wan show or even in the comments under the video so there's this really clear like value add and it's not just tangentially related it's directly related to

Starting point is 03:11:43 our main product which is tech videos, right? So then there's your merch. You're only going to convert a certain percentage of people to your physical products. That's also kind of directly related to the main thing because we like build computers. Oh, we have a screwdriver. We carry laptops around. Okay, we've got a backpack, you know, whatever. we carry laptops around okay we've got a backpack you know whatever stuff that just has your logo on it that doesn't necessarily serve a clear function and isn't necessarily directly related to the

Starting point is 03:12:11 service that someone was already enjoying from you is going to be a much lower conversion rate it's like a conversion rate on a conversion rate and so if we were to make i don't know uh an ltt or a wan logo wall ornament or something like that first of all i won't release anything that's crap because i hate that right so it will have to be good which means we have to invest significant development time in it after we've done that we have to meet whatever bar there is for a minimum order quantity from whatever you know manufacturer or manufacturers that we are contracting to produce this product so let's say a thousand units or five thousand units i have no way of knowing exactly what that would be until we've made it significantly deeply into the development process at that point i've got to ask myself you know, what price do I need

Starting point is 03:13:07 to sell this at now, knowing it's going to be relatively low volume in order for me to make back what I spent on product development? Okay, because it's going to be low volume, that price is going to have to be higher. Okay, where's the threshold where that high price goes from recouping cost to just like creating a perception of exploitation and money grubbing-ness. Will people see that nuance there where I kind of go, look, this isn't just money grubbing. I actually do need my team to be paid for the development time. So am I just hurting my own brand by selling branded stuff that we spent way too much time working on for a very niche audience maybe sometimes i can be really sometimes i just overthink this stuff though like the when we

Starting point is 03:13:59 when we did that uh short-term relaunch of just the classic linus tech tips logo shirt it sold like crazy because people just wanted it i guess this is actually like legitimately one of my favorite shirts that's it that's ltx though that's an event shirt that's totally different yeah but i'll do an event one of the big reasons why i like it is just because it's just a little logo in the corner okay it feels kind of professional we have like we have a flag that's going to be there for ltx like just you know the ltx logo on a flag for 2023 here. So I'm more willing to do that for a commemorative item

Starting point is 03:14:30 versus just our brand. Let's go. I don't know. Maybe we'll do more of it in the future. Maybe not. We have a really cool thing coming, though. Tell me something. If you could own a solid aluminum keycap

Starting point is 03:14:47 that is this big what would you pay for it solid aluminum chrome plated what What? It's mirror finish. Does it work? No, of course not. You can't plug it in? What kind of stupid question is that? What do you mean?

Starting point is 03:15:09 It's this big. Do you know how much it freaking weighs? You could have like a bump. No, you couldn't. Yeah, you could. It's solid aluminum. Yeah. It'd be a bad idea.

Starting point is 03:15:19 It weighs so much. But you couldn't do it. There's no mechanism in it. And it's solid. When I say solid, I don't mean concave Empty hollowed out I mean it is Solid it's a brick I have no idea

Starting point is 03:15:31 At all I don't know It doesn't matter what you say because The people out there that want it They're going to pay any amount of money It doesn't matter what you say I don't know I'm just thinking about the shipping cost any amount of money. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you say. Yeah. I don't know.

Starting point is 03:15:48 I'm just thinking about the shipping costs. What's the, there's some meme about a Loch Ness monster. You give it $4.69 or something. I don't know. I don't remember. I have no idea. No, you give them about $3.50.

Starting point is 03:15:59 Yeah, there you go. That's it. You get a double-faced palm. There you go. $3.50. Yeah, there you go. $-fitty, there we go. I wanted... Three-fifty.

Starting point is 03:16:06 I wanted Linus to do the quote. Enough. He still didn't. There we go. We got there. Anyway. I have no idea. So we're making this?

Starting point is 03:16:19 Oh, yeah. Wow. Because we're meme lords, apparently. Apparently. That's sweet. I don't know, dude. This isn't the lords, apparently. Apparently. That's sweet. I don't know, dude. This isn't the type of thing that I buy. Just, if you could have a giant solid aluminum key cap, what would you pay for it?

Starting point is 03:16:34 I'm just curious. I don't think I would buy this. You wouldn't? Okay, if you saw it in a gift shop for five bucks, you wouldn't be like, okay, that's pretty cool. Okay, I might buy that. Okay, so did he get that? So it's $3.50.

Starting point is 03:16:49 Oh my God. wouldn't be like okay that's pretty cool okay i might buy that okay so did he get so it's 350 oh my god i mean if it's going to be from billet aluminum and it's about that big like it's going to be closer to 350 than 350 yeah that's like 700 us dollars in just billet stock no no no no it's not that much it's not that much it's it's it's big it's it's it's big it's substantial you could there's going to be three sizes How big is the big one? The big one is like this The medium one's like this And the small one's like this And the cheapest one I don't wanna quote this wrong

Starting point is 03:17:17 But they're gonna be very expensive Not 700 But they're gonna be All of them are gonna be I just don't wanna say it because I'm gonna get it wrong But the expensive one's going to be pretty expensive Yeah I don't know This is just one of those things that I

Starting point is 03:17:34 I have no idea What I was thinking I don't think you were But it's awesome I was probably talking to Nicholas Plouffe or something Oh this would be cool Big keycap Big cup Yeah, I don't know. But it's awesome. I was probably talking to Nicholas Plouffe or something. Oh, this would be cool. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 03:17:47 Big keycap. Yeah, I don't know. Big cop. Big keycap. Yeah, do it, Linus. Okay, let's move on. We'll have to send one to Glarsys. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 03:18:00 Yeah, we'll have to do like, we'll have to engrave. Like, okay, we should probably. Dan, can you send a note to Nick? Did you guys ever end up working working with him i want to at some point but we haven't yet it just hasn't lined up sorry what's yeah because he reached out to me like a long time ago about doing that yeah i know okay i just i'm busy i know how hard is it for you to get on my calendar yeah fair enough he's willing to like fly out i know i know I know, I know, I know, I know. I know, I just... It's tough, okay? Yeah.

Starting point is 03:18:31 Okay, message is sent. I have no idea how to spell any of that. You can figure out what the gibberish means. Okay, Luke and Linus. What's a decision that you initially regretted, but in hindsight turned out to be a great idea? decision that you initially regretted, but in hindsight turned out to be a great idea? Hmm. Initially regretted. Usually I don't get like instant regret because I usually make pretty okay decisions. Instant regret turned out to be a great idea.

Starting point is 03:19:06 Gee, I don't know. There's got to be some kind of... See, most of the things I regret turn out to be bad ideas. Like buying those stupid Blackmagic 12K cameras. That was instant regret and a bad idea. Like I... Turned out to be a great idea, though. I saw this one early and have been trying to think about it like this whole time and i'm in the same spot usually i've thought about it enough that once i purchase

Starting point is 03:19:31 it my opinion on it isn't gonna change or i guess it's not just purchases right but like once i do the thing or whatever my opinion on it isn't really gonna change for probably quite a while trying to think if there's anyone i hired that was like, wow, what a disappointment, but then they've turned out to be great. No, you took a lot longer to disappoint me. Did I? I was sleeping on the job, like, immediately. Yeah, but I wasn't disappointed.

Starting point is 03:19:59 That was kind of my expectation for what you were being paid. Fair enough. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I have to regret it instantly, and then it has to turn out to be a great idea. If I regret it instantly, why don't I get a refund? Like, why don't I undo it?

Starting point is 03:20:20 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, like there's... I can't think of very many things that fit this. Someone said it would be the crowbar hammer for Luke and it's like well no because it turned out to not be a good idea yeah like that doesn't fit like it's more like a cold feet thing like but I never regretted you know getting engaged right so if I'd regretted that then that would have turned out to be a great idea or like having kids you know maybe you instantly regretted it but it turned out to be a great idea like that's the kind of thing we're talking about here. But I didn't instantly regret having kids.

Starting point is 03:20:47 I instantly hated it, but I knew I was going to hate it. I can't stand babies. There's definitely things that I dreaded. Like I did it and I was like, this sucks. I don't think this is great. I don't really necessarily have another option, but like I don't like this one. And then in hindsight or down the line or whatever it's like actually that was really good for sure but like there was no i instantly regretted

Starting point is 03:21:12 allowing the crowd to decorate my car at ltx oh yeah that did not turn out that was a great idea that was just bad yeah look in my defense that year there was a significant lack of activities. Oh, there was, definitely. And I was trying to save it, okay? I was sacrificing... Do you remember our miscommunication during that show? No. You like...

Starting point is 03:21:35 It was probably epic, though, because I was extremely... You were kind of all over the place. I was extremely upset when I arrived the night before it was starting and realized some of the things that were going on. And that is not a knock against the team that was working on it. We were understaffed, underfunded. We had kind of no idea what we were doing. It was only our second attempt at this and it was a much bigger space.

Starting point is 03:21:59 Just it was no one's fault. But I was like, holy shit. We need to fix this. What can we do? I will sacrifice my car. One of the things I thought of was decorate my car booth. And so we put out pens and glue and glitter and googly eyes. It definitely, you know. It was memorable.

Starting point is 03:22:19 Kept people busy. Yeah, but that car was actually undriveable. People covered the windshield for crying out loud there was so you were up in like some bleacher section thing and no one could ever hear you do you remember this yes so if you were in whatever the thing was that you were talking to people in people could hear you oh like the people yeah there was a little like stage area it was yeah yeah and they had bleachers around it. If you were specifically in like those bleachers or that area, whatever, you could hear Linus.

Starting point is 03:22:52 But if you were outside of it, it didn't matter if he was like leaning over the edge and yelling at you, you could not hear him at all. Just how the acoustics of the area work. Yeah. It's got a really high ceiling. So like this and this, I think like cancel each other out effectively. The sound bouncing. It was pretty wild. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:23:05 So someone gave me these, like, Sharpies or something. And they were very unsure about why they were giving them to me. But they made it very clear that there was not very many of these. And, like, I should be very careful with them. And I was like, okay, this is really weird. I'm not sure what I'm supposed very careful with them and I was like okay this is really weird I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with these and then you like yelled something over the thing and I thought you said like keep them away from people or something I don't remember exactly what I thought you said but I thought you were like this is like a you you can't like let the random attendees get

Starting point is 03:23:42 your sharpie and like if someone gets your Sharpie, they like get something or something. So I was like, oh, so I have to like run away with these. Which is not at all what he said. But I thought it was what he said. So I just started running around. It was more of like a collect the Pokemon thing. People were supposed to try to get signatures and all the colors or something like that. What I thought was going on was they were supposed to collect the sharpies and i remember

Starting point is 03:24:07 being like this is really stupid but okay yeah and it makes sense because that wasn't what was going on but yeah communication during that event was a huge problem yeah so we can do better we have done better it's been four years since we did better um hopefully we remember how to do better hopefully we're not just like yeah i forget how to do this let's start from scratch no they assure me it's going to be really good i think i've been less involved in the lead up to it though so i don't actually know that but i do trust the team that's working on it if it was as good as last time would you be happy honestly yeah if you'd asked me that right after ltx 19 i'd have said no i expect it to be bigger and better but given the momentum that we lost in four years if it's on par then we'll come back

Starting point is 03:24:55 stronger 2024 and we can set our sights on that yeah yeah makes sense okay we're uh nearing the end of the time here but we've got a lot more to get through companies are currently not liable for abandoning software support for physical items oh god sorry i just want to i want to interject something i wasn't the only person that misinterpreted that way while you were talking random fans started trying to grab the sharpies from my hands and then i remember being mad at you at the end i was like why did you give away the sharpies we don't have more of those like if we want to continue to have people collect the thing yeah yeah yeah and i was like and i had red marks all up and down my arms because people were like clawing at me trying to get them and stuff it was it was quite the racket sorry

Starting point is 03:25:39 keep going oh that's okay here we'll broadcast it companies are currently not liable for abandoning software support for physical items would you support legislation requiring manufacturers to state their best supported until date on products no what i really want is for them to have to hand it over to some other steward if they're not going to support it anymore that just needs to be how it works i don't think that's ever going to happen. So I guess this would be a, I guess this would be something, but I just don't want stuff to end up e-waste if it's still working. That should be unacceptable to everyone involved. Since you've dabbled in making tools like screwdrivers, have you considered making tools for firefighters or paramedics? I carry a screwdriver in my bunker gear pockets and I love it. Larger

Starting point is 03:26:25 tools are common. Yeah, we'd consider making other tools. We have a hundred thousand shafts from the original manufacturer for the screwdriver that don't meet our screwdriver shaft quality standards. So they are effectively garbage. Metal tubes. We have 100,000 of them. So we are trying to find some use for them. Without consulting me, they asked for them to be shipped to us. So I paid freight over the ocean for 100,000 metal shafts.

Starting point is 03:26:56 It's less than you would think. They weren't air shipped or anything. It came on a boat. Yeah. Yeah, very slow boat. And we've got some ideas uh well the idea that i pitched first was we make something called a fail wrench so if you can if you can dodge a hundred thousand dollar loss then you can dodge a fail wrench so we just melt them and just make like a stupid crappy

Starting point is 03:27:20 adjustable wrench and the team was like, we can't do that. It'll take forever to make it to your standard. I'm like, no, it's a fail wrench. It doesn't have to be to my standard. Just make it like a bonus bin item. Buy a shirt, get a wrench. Not free shipping. Shirt weighs 200 grams.

Starting point is 03:27:41 Wrench weighs five pounds. One of the ideas we're working on... That's a big wrench. One of the ideas we're working on that's a big wrench uh one of the ideas we're working on now is turning them into a fail pen so doing like like a bolt action style thing we'd have to get the ergonomics right though and one of the reasons that they're not deemed acceptable is that the knurling kind of sucks but what sucks about it is that it's not deep enough so it might actually be okay for a pen um yeah there's there's some other ideas for things we could melt them down into but like i don't remember what the

Starting point is 03:28:12 question was have we oh yeah we thought of making more tools yeah we're gonna make more tools that's that i give you my guarantee but we're probably going to be mostly focused on tech tools just because that's where the bulk of our audience is yeah linus you mentioned you don't buy games day one but did you pick up tears of the kingdom and will you be playing it this weekend side note luke needs to play breath of the wild already i don't think he does you don't think i do i mean unless you really like to i had fun with it it was just it was a plane game so i know when i'm gonna play it next i know exactly when i'm gonna play it because i'm going on a plane soon it's not in my bag but i do have it i thought so yeah but i'm not gonna play it on my switch yeah my copy that i bought is just because i know i'm

Starting point is 03:28:57 gonna pirate it i i don't want my save data on a Switch. Yeah, yeah. That's not unreasonable. And I'm not paying for Nintendo Online forever just to be able to back up my save game. That's ridiculous. I don't accept it. I'm sorry. I consider this to be ethical piracy. So, yeah, I've already downloaded it,

Starting point is 03:29:18 but I haven't actually, like, applied all the patches and 60 FPS mod and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm going to play it on the ROG Ally. Yeah. Breath of the Wild runs really good on the Ally. That's pretty sweet. And I'm expecting because it's designed for the same hardware

Starting point is 03:29:35 and Breath of the Wild was already at the limits of what it could do, that Tears of the Kingdom probably isn't going to be much more demanding than Breath of the Wild. And what's great about all of this is I can take that same save game and I can play it on my projector off of my pc or i can play it on the ally or i can play it wherever and i can keep my save game it's gonna be awesome i won't get to keep my horses though but i don't really care because it's been like three years since i've touched breath of the wild three or four so i don't even remember my horse's name or what it looks like so makes no difference to me.

Starting point is 03:30:10 Shout out to the newlyweds, I and RC. His best man name dropped lttstore.com during his speech. And I just had to share the moment. Happy Friday. Heck yeah. Thanks for letting us know. Nice. I don't think I have seen weekly floatplane exclusives on LMG Clips in a while.

Starting point is 03:30:27 What happened to it? Is that over? Did not attract people to floatplane? Oh, it's not over, but it was never intended to be weekly. It was going to be sometimes. We'll try it and see how it works as a promotional mechanism, and it works great. Okay, and we are now done with our curated, so let's go through some of these potentials.

Starting point is 03:30:48 Rapid fire, if you can. Would LTD be willing to release... Would you like to go home or something? No, I want you to be protected from the ire of Yvonne. What, do you want to go home? Is that... We've had this discussion, Linus. I will stay here till Monday. Only Monday?

Starting point is 03:31:03 What, are you weak? No, I have stuff to do for Luke on Monday that's true I have to go to the other building but Luke will be here other building no but Wancho is here so you'll be here ah understood

Starting point is 03:31:14 I mean if we're still doing Wancho then it's fine I got enough monitors for the both of us what was the question? I don't know uh would ltd be willing to release the stl file for stick locks to the community so we can print our own out of tpu support those gamers who cannot afford to pay for them um probably not unfortunately for this one uh i'm afraid that the individual people printing them are not the concern. They could easily enough, you know, probably reverse engineer it and kind of figure it out.

Starting point is 03:31:55 But if we give the exact files to an overseas manufacturer, inevitably they're going to be cloned anyway. I get that, but I'm not going to go out of my way to make it easier, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Hi, DLL. Actually, Nick Light has told me I should be pronouncing this Dale. Hi, Dale. Questions for Linus about the Sony A95K TV. Have you run in a blue tint problem due to fingerprints and has been, you're unable to clean them sorry let me parse this again have you run into the issue with blue tint due to fingerprints and not being able to clean them tons of people have had this issue and zero acknowledgement from sony huh um i can't say i have because i'm not a caveman i don't touch my tv screen uh i understand that a lot of people have kids so it might not actually be avoidable. I was

Starting point is 03:32:45 being facetious. But no, I haven't run into it because there are no fingerprints on my TV. So it's possible that it is an issue, but it's not one that I've encountered. Really excited for the stick locks. Thanks for making them. Linus, you've talked about your love for Final Fantasy Tactics in the past. What's your favorite class and team style? Oh, man. I'm not even aware of, like, team styles. I just, I like, I like kind of, I like kind of tanky, tanky casters. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 03:33:20 If I had, if I had a team style, I guess I'm a big move plus two. oh, okay, if I had a team style, I guess I'm a big move plus two. Like I will waste so much time with my guys. Oh man, what's the class? I haven't played it in a while. Move plus two tactics. Let's see.

Starting point is 03:33:42 What the heck is blink blade? Okay, I have no idea what's even going on. Final Fantasy Tactics. Here we go. Move step. Man, why is this so hard to find? Okay, I'm sure someone's telling me in the thing. But I will basically take every one of my party members and make sure they have move plus two.

Starting point is 03:34:04 Come on, guys. Help me out here. Nope, nothing yet. I don't know. I have no idea. I'm just trying to think. I use a lot of the special characters. I always love Agrius, Agrius, whatever her name is.

Starting point is 03:34:23 I hate anything that's kind of like probability based so you know uh i know you can build like just super op like ninjas and stuff like that because they have like crazy high evade but i would rather have super high defense and have like a predictable amount of damage than super high evade. And sometimes I dodge and sometimes I get absolutely bone crushed. I don't like too much randomness. Apparently move plus two is thief. Yeah, thief sucks so much in Final Fantasy Tactics, but I will make everyone grind

Starting point is 03:35:01 like a thousand job points in thief to get move plus two because when you are mobile like that, you are unstoppable. will make everyone grind like a thousand job points in thief to get move plus two because when you are mobile like that you are unstoppable um because otherwise you get screwed like i think the default move stat is like two or three rather and then some classes are more and then you can add move plus two so you can move like six oh no there's items that's right there's items you can equip for like move plus one so you can put on boots and then add move plus two so you can move like six oh no there's items that's right there's items you can equip for like move plus one so you can put on boots and then add move plus two and then you can go six so you can basically go in hit retreat and human characters that are that are fighting with

Starting point is 03:35:35 you will not be able to catch up easily but monsters are super mobile and it can be a real problem because you can't get away from them they just close the distance so fast anyway hey dale oh no they're moving uh well i'll try this one hey there i've taken a liking to boxers with man pouches they feel comfy for my important parts during hot days at home do you think lTT will one day offer boxers with man pouches? Well, congratulations. I honestly was reading that whole time. All I got from what you said was man pouches, and then he just said congratulations

Starting point is 03:36:25 so whatever happened was funny i almost said mouches at the last one fumble that um i don't know we get a lot of we get a lot of really great feedback on the comfort of the boxers boxer briefs as they are i think we're more likely to do more styles and less likely to do um new um new bodies for them. Ergonomics. Yeah, for the time being. I have a 3D... Let's see. Yeah, this is kind of in the same 3D printing realm. I have a 3D printer and would love to make use of it. With all the products you're rolling out,

Starting point is 03:36:57 would you consider a line of 3D downloadable models relating to electronics or cable management? No, I don't think so. It's just one of those things where I think there's stuff that we've released in the past or something. I think our CPU holders are out there, but we're not going to charge for that. Like if it's something that you can 3D print,

Starting point is 03:37:15 then why don't you just 3D print it? And there's a huge community out there that's designing 3D printable stuff. Like go do your thing. The reason that, you know, you should buy stick locks instead of just 3d printing them is because 3d printing is not the be all and end all of manufacturing and in this case these are i forget if they're uh pressure pressure mold or there's there's two different ways that you can do injection molding for a part like this and we did one of them i

Starting point is 03:37:43 can't remember which and the reason was that it gets the composition just right, allows you to customize the material. Like there's a whole bunch of, there's a whole science, you know, to materials. It's called material science. Oh, wow. Yeah, I know, right? So for us, you know, the products that we make and sell

Starting point is 03:38:01 are going to be ones that do require more complex manufacturing, at least, you know, at scale, right? And if you guys want to like make your own thing and 3D print them, then yeah, you should. That's awesome. It's freaking amazing. But it's a different thing. And I don't think we would like sell that. Hi, Dale. I love my new LTT backpack. Compliments to Sarah and everyone in the creator warehouse. Great job. Will the LTD backpack hold the upcoming Framework 16?

Starting point is 03:38:34 Yeah. Yeah, it should be fine. I'd have to double check for sure, but it should be fine. Compression molded, says Tynan, who is apparently watching WEN show right now. Yes, these are compression molded, not injection molded. Thank you, Tynan who is apparently watching one show right now. Yes. These are compression molded, not injection molded. Thank you. Tynan. Hi DLL.

Starting point is 03:38:48 I noticed in Linus media group.com. The team doesn't show Luke there. Is that because he is float plane or has his change in role mean he is still separate from the main company? Also, I'm not reading the rest of that. Yeah. Continue.

Starting point is 03:39:01 Uh, just laziness. I think. Yeah. Originally that was the reason but then creator warehouse became a thing and people that work under creator warehouse are on there um so like a bunch of years after that happened someone pointed that out because i've never really cared to be honest um and we were like oh well we'll fix, well, we'll fix that eventually. And we will fix that eventually.

Starting point is 03:39:27 People keep on offering to take headshots of just me, but my current thing is like, well, if I'm going on, all my people should probably go on. So what will probably happen is, um, at one of the events, like either Christmas party or LTX or something, when all of the remotes kind of come in, I will probably do a bunch of headshots and then do them all at the same time so that we all go up together or something like that i don't know but yeah hey dll love the content had been following since about 2011 out of curiosity how many of the floatplane users still have the og three dollar tier i i could figure this out i don't know the number off top

Starting point is 03:40:05 my head but it's like quite a few a lot of people that subscribe back then are just still here it's pretty cool sick yeah and i think the last one we have for tonight hello future me what interesting things have you experienced when supplying or acquiring different products restock of pajama pants when? I don't know about the restock, but I mean, here was an interesting thing. Our t-shirts for LTX, our initial sample that I approved, and the top of production sample that we got, very different materials. Oh. Yeah. So we think a supplier might have switched subcontractors on us. Oh. So we are deeply worried about LTX t-shirts. They're either going to be less comfortable than we expected.

Starting point is 03:40:53 To be clear, they're not awful, but they're not up to our usual shirt standard. And part of that is because we couldn't just use our regular blanks because they're tie-dye. And tie-dye, you can't have synthetic materials it's got to be cotton got it so they're either going to be less comfortable than our usual standard or they will not exist at this point because i don't know if you noticed but we're getting pretty close yeah it's not that far away yeah so i'm um very unhappy there that's the most recent me very unhappy big surprise merch moment. I think that's it. Hey, we'll see you again next week.

Starting point is 03:41:31 Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Thanks for watching!

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