The WAN Show - I Need A Mac To Go With My iPhone - WAN Show November 1, 2024

Episode Date: November 2, 2024

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Positive vibes all of y'all. Happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show. What the heck? We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. The new Apple Mac Mini looks absolutely flipping outstanding to the point where I am starting to wonder, if you're a non-gamer, is there any other computer that matters? I mean, you'll be able to play Cyberpunk on it soon. That's a strong statement, I know. But I might end up standing behind it depending on how our testing of it goes. Wow. I'm open to

having my opinions changed, but right now I'm liking it a lot. We're also going to be talking about playing Minecraft with AI. That's right, AI company, Descartes, whatever, it doesn't matter. The point is they've released a playable AI model that was trained on Minecraft that allows you to play Minecraft without actually playing the game of Minecraft Wow no textures no game engine no nothing just AI That sounds like the worst I well we're gonna try it all right we get to try it is playable in a browser very Playable doesn't it play it. Oh no no you play it. Oh browser. Very playable. Doesn't it play it? Oh no no you play it. Oh. You'll figure it out. He'll figure it out. What else we got? iFixit figured it out and they have fixed McDonald's... they have fixed McDonald's soft serve machine problem so that's

good if you want ice cream and good if you care about right for repair for one particular extremely wealthy company. Also, multiple people did really cool things with hardware. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, well, we'll get it. Okay, not the wealthy company thing. We'll get to that later. It actually matters a lot. And we have someone who took, I can't find it here.

Did it make it? Ah, yes, Spotify's car thing is saved. saved. The show is brought to you today by Manscaped, OnePassword, and Squarespace, and of course by our chair partner Secretlab, our laptop partner LG, and our rap partner dbrand. Let's jump right into our headline topic, which is of course the Apple Mac Mini with their new M4 processor. Apple began the week by announcing a new Mac every day to help keep the... I mean doctor away I guess

right? Like that's got to be the joke is that the joke? I hope so. I guess so. They began with the M4 iMac followed by the redesigned Mac mini and a refreshed lineup of MacBook Pros. In addition to the M4, Apple likewise announced the M4 Pro, which is available for the Mac Mini and MacBook Pro lineup, and the M4 Max. Sorry?

Not the iMac? No, the iMac was only M1 last time around, if I recall correctly. I don't know why. I'm, I'm, I'm, could be a little rusty on that, but if I recall correctly, it was, it was only available because, I don't know, it's just a, it's basically a screen with a basic computer in it, I think is kind of the idea. It's the Facebook surfing machine. People would probably give them a hard time if it did have a high-end processor in it

because it would be priced so much for such a basic Facebook browsing machine. All right, anyway, hold on, hold on, hold on. And the M4 Max, okay, and the M4 Max, which is only available in the MacBook Pros. Macs with an M4 Pro or Macs will now have multiple Thunderbolt 5 ports rather than Thunderbolt 4, which I'm extremely excited about, and we'll talk about in just a moment here. And for the first time, the newest generation of iMac will have support for two screens. Alright, the Mac mini though, is the one that I want to talk about because some of the okay

notes are we didn't give them much time to work on the notes today. And unfortunately, I really need to look at the, at the dock here. One second. Or at my spreadsheet where I added the topic. M4, here we go. Nope, this is a previous week. Oh boy, we're off to a really good start today. Okay.

The Mac Mini. Luke, let's go shopping. Okay. That's what I want to do for this segment. All right. So, I'm going to be a Mac, Mac and you're gonna be a PC. Oh, So I'm gonna go on apple.com. I'm just going to pick another country or region. Sorry, hold on. I blue-screened. Got him. So I'm gonna go to the United States and you're gonna go on PC part picker.

Okay Here we go. I'm gonna shop for a Mac and you're going to try to build a PC for the same price as me. So for starters here, let's, here we go, Mac mini, pre-order. Let's have a look at the price that you're gonna be looking at. So we're gonna go with the, let's go with the starting Mac mini. That comes in at $599 US, $600 US. So Luke, why don't you put together a pretty decent machine for $600 US?

It's been a while since Luke has really, you know, Shopped for computer? Shopped for a computer because he's gotten them for free since he started here, which was like 12 years ago. No, it was before then. Yeah. I believe him him I believe in him I believe that he can do it and guys chat feel free to pitch in feel free to pitch in and give Luke some ideas For starting points for things like I you know CPU if there's any how much are motherboard chipsets

He should be looking at motherboard man man mother so much have spiked in a big way kind of ruin this whole thing to be honest. You used to be able to get a pretty decent board for like 80 US dollars, 90 US dollars. Yeah, yeah, like Canadian, you'd probably be looking at more like 115, 120. But now, like a decent motherboard, you're looking at like more like 120, 140 US dollars dollars unless you're willing to make some compromises there are

lower-end chipsets but sometimes they can come with pretty bad compromises especially if you want a machine that you're gonna be able to kind of upgrade for a while add more m.2 storage and stuff like that so wait how much do I have six hundred US dollars yeah and and you're on PC part picker. I believe that's in US by default. Yeah, I think so. Yes. Okay, so guys, feel free, feel free to pitch in. I don't see anyone trying to help you, which is a little discouraging. Get a 4090. Sure. Oh, man.

How much RAM does yours have? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So- Yeah, can I know some specs on this one? Yeah, absolutely. This is very exciting. For the first time, I think, ever, Apple has finally acknowledged that the year is now 2020 plus, and they no longer are offering a base model machine with only 8 gigs of RAM. They have 16 gigs of RAM in that base model.

So Luke, why don't you go ahead and find yourself a 16 gig... What are you doing? No, don't just... Don't do that. Build a computer. Geez. Okay, so find yourself a nice 16 gig kit of RAM. Smaller too. Power button's in the right place. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Memory. 16 gigs? Yeah, you need 16 gigs of RAM to match the base model new Mac Mini. See, PCs are a little bit too based, which is part of the problem, because they automatically assume you want two times 16. Yeah, you've got

filters, you've got filters over on the left. No, you don't need that. You just need even more RAM. Yeah, I suppose so. The problem with this whole contest is that we are lowering ourselves. Oh my goodness. Okay. We're not actually competing, just configure a computer for crying out loud. Are you a politician? You're too good at this. This guy. How much storage do you have? Okay, that's where things do fall apart a little bit. Assuming one terabyte. I only get 256 gigs of storage. Can I even select that? I only get 256 gigs of storage and that is a pretty frustrating thing that remains still about Apple's lineup is how much they charge for really small amounts of storage and what's especially frustrating about it for me is I know

that a big part of why they're charging so Much for it is that the sweet spot for a price to capacity has moved past 256 gigs so they're charging so much for it because it's just a terrible value on a component level To build such a tiny SSD these days. The sweet spot for capacity is probably more like in the one terabyte range now. With that said, I'm trying to think like how many dies would be on a one terabyte drive now? Is it one or two for the most part?

Think it would be two. I haven't looked that closely at them in the last probably years, so apparently you can do them with one. Yeah, so that sweet spot is Definitely more like in that one terabyte range so you are you're basically just like Wasting silicon to make 256 gig storage

So that's that's gonna that's gonna kind of impede Luke because he's not gonna get a great deal on his SSD. Yeah, it was 18 bucks. Whereas if I start, oh, okay, that's pretty good. It's not that bad. That's still pretty good, actually. So it looks like there's a really broad sweet spot these days then, because you'll probably pay, oh yeah, no, no, yeah, no, yeah, that's a bad deal.

Because the thing is, there's a certain amount of cost that is just in the cost of making anything at all and shipping it and QA-ing it and developing it. So there's only so cheap that you can make something. That's why you can buy a modern hard drive for $250 and you can't buy one that is 1 20th the capacity for $12 because you just you still have to put a motor in it You still have to ship it around the world you still have to pay someone to assembly assemble it It's like there's there's there's just fixed costs that are associated with bringing a product to market at all

Okay, sorry, we're back on Luke's laptop. What do you got? What do you do? I need to? Buy an operating system. Well, I mean the Mac comes with one. That's what I thought you were gonna say. Well, with that said, with that said, we have a video coming in a little while about how Windows doesn't necessarily... it can be obtained for a lot less than $120. So why don't you leave? You know what? I'm nothing if not gracious and benevolent. Gracious and kind. Yeah, so leave out the operating system. This is where I'm at currently. Take the operating system out. Okay, so we're going to Luke laptop. Okay, what do you got?

Walk us through it. Ryzen 5 7600X, which is the first thing I chose, so I didn't really spec it in too much. One of the cheapest motherboards I could find, which ended up being MATX, 16 gigs of acceptable RAM, a SSD that you shouldn't buy, to be completely honest, but it fits the storage thing of your side, a relatively cheap MATX case. Yep, but like attractive. But it's alright, it's not bad. You're going up against Apple, you're going to have to have a reasonably decent looking

case. Yeah, it looks good in my opinion. So I didn't go for just a piece of junk and I found one of the cheapest 600 watt power supplies I could find, which is overkill wattage wise, but I didn't really want to get like something. Yeah, something that Lucas would warn you is gonna blow up.

Yeah, this one was decently rated. Sort of okay. Yeah, sure. Okay. And I've got a little bit more money to play with. Yeah, you've got some more money to spend. With that said, you might have some you might have some things to kind of deal with here. Do you have Wi-Fi? Because I do. Yeah, I think so. Are you sure? I think this board has it actually. Oh, I'd be pretty surprised at that price point. No. Okay, so you're probably gonna need some Wi-Fi.

Why don't you go get some Wi-Fi? I can get Wi-Fi. Okay, cool. I also need a cooler. Nope, nope, that should come with a cooler. Are you sure? Yeah, you should be good to go. It looks like the slim box. Oh. Shoot. Oh, that's a 7600. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna need a cooler. Yep, you'll need a cooler. You'll need a cooler. You'll need some Wi-Fi. I might have some other things to inform you

that you're gonna need, but why don't you go ahead and add those first and see how it goes for you? Do I just get a cooler that I know won't fit in this case at all and not worry about it? No, no I think you're probably gonna need a cooler that fits in your case. Why? I could get something huge and it would be cool. Yeah you could just hot rod it you know stick out the side of the case. I won't get something way too big but I also just like don't actually know what would fit in here. I Don't know maybe you guys can maybe you guys can help them. Maybe you guys can help them a little bit like a low profile I am five

$55 for a knock to a cooler. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna be doing that I think PC part picker has clearance assume that this one fits sure you know what it's not mad at me good enough Okay, go find go find a Wi-Fi card. Or do I just upgrade the motherboard? You could upgrade to a motherboard with onboard Wi-Fi. Yeah, totally. 100 bucks Let's see if I bonk that out what I can get He bonked it. You can filter by having Wi-Fi. I think this is only like 20 something dollars more. Is there a Wi-Fi thing? Probably. I would think so. They've got pretty good pretty good filters onboard ethernet onboard video I

Believe hey look at that. Oh, um yeah, you're gonna need like pretty good Wi-Fi by the way your Wi-Fi 7 or what? I'm just gonna check real quick, but I think so. It's either that or 60. You know what? I'll allow 60, but I'm gonna double I'm gonna gonna double check what kind of, what kind of wifi I have. Ugh, I mean Apple has its own issues with shopping. It doesn't even freaking say. 60 apparently. 60, okay, there you go. Okay, so you can have wifi 60.

Okay. Okay, what are you at? How you doing for pricing? Excuse me, ten dollars. Five hundred and sixty dollars? Wow! PC is forty dollars ahead! You're gonna need Thunderbolt. Oh.

Can I sort by that? I don't- this thing has Thunderbolt. I'll tell you what, I'll allow no Thunderbolt. I'll allow no Thunderbolt. But you will need is some USB-C ports. need is some USB-C ports you got any USB-C ports? I think so. Does the case have any? That's not the right picture

yep you've got USB-C? At least one. You've got at least one? Does your motherboard support it? Does it have a front header for USB-C? Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Oh, yeah, USB 3.2 Gen 1 headers. Let's go. Yeah, you got it. You got it, if that's, if that suspects for the board there. Wait, you have an ITX board? Yeah, and now we have an MATX case. You're making me change things on the fly, my guy. Well, look, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to help you. The RAM still fits, everything still technically works.

Yeah, I'm just trying to help you beat me. You need a 10-core CPU. Language. I didn't actually say a word. I just made a sound. If it's got a Thunderbolt, then it needs to be Intel, right? No, no, he gave me a pass on that one. And USB 4 is in some ways functionally the same.

Don't mention the graphics. So, okay, where's your 10 core CPU at? Hold on, is there a core count? Yeah, there we go. Oh wait, no, other way around. Technically every word is just a sound, so... Hey, well, we don't need to get into technicalities over here. Okay, so here we go. See, I actually can't, because I can only get better than that, unfortunately.

Also, not all cores are made the same your cores are gonna need to be pretty good yeah I mean we don't need to we don't need to get into that also you're gonna need a pretty decent GPU okay why don't you throw just for the sake of argument why don't you throw like a 3050? Why don't you throw a 3050 in there? That's what you're saying is a pretty good GPU? Well, it's onboard. You're gonna need what would be an extremely good onboard GPU. California 909 says 10 core ARM isn't the same as 10 core x86 California 909 Needs to get caught up on some tech tips because arm versus x86 is not the whole story

It's it's it's down to the actual design of the cores and No, that is not the case Do we have to do the 10 core thing? Because there's actually just like not very many of those. Tell you what, tell you what, as long as you have a really solid eight core CPU, I'll allow it. Okay. Current gen.

Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to be able to use a 7,000 series. That's not current. You're not going to be able to use a 7000 series. Okay, wait, no. That's not current. Shhh! Now that he's working on labs, he's going to be such a liability on the lab show. Oh man.

That was great. Wait, so isn't that the processor that I had? No, you had a 7000 series. You're going to need 9000 series, my guy. Oh, but no one actually likes those. I mean, it doesn't matter. You're going to need a... I had no you had a 7,000 series you're gonna need 9,000 series my guy oh But no one actually likes those. I mean it doesn't matter you're gonna need a you're gonna. They're not very good Yeah, they're fast and efficient. I mean I'm gonna draw way less Fine as long as you got eight cores all allow it yeah eight cores all I really think that processor was fine All right. How you doing over there?

Good gravy. Goodness gracious. The GPU is really the problem. I mean, the whole thing is really the problem. Now it's my turn to shop. Does this thing have integrated graphics? Now it's my turn to shop. Yeah, but like not good enough.

They don't compare? Check this out. For $600, I'm getting a 10-core CPU, whatever 10-core GPU means, but their onboard GPU on M4 is quite, quite nice. 16 gigs. What if you make that storage a respectable amount? Well, we'll get to that. What happens to the competition then? We'll get to that in a minute. Yeah? First up, I'm getting 16 gigs of unified memory and 256 gigs of SSD storage, which honestly speaking, I actually don't mind as much as them nerfing the RAM. Oh. Because as someone who's going to use a NAS anyway, and who doesn't

need storage on my PC. Honestly, we tried to roll out, sorry to cut you off, but we tried to roll out some new standardized laptops. They don't know about this too. To the business team and we got viciously screamed and yelled at by your employees because of not having enough ramp, no they were fine. But 16 gigs of RAM, they didn't like it. Really? Yeah.

Who, sorry, what? For what? Business team capping out too many tabs. They have so many Chrome tabs. Too many tabs. That is hilarious. They've been through two or three laptops for some people because they have so many tabs that they just explode. Okay, interesting. Yeah. Alright, so let's go back to my customizing my Mac Mini. I think we need to configure your RAM up and your storage up. Well, yeah, but you only have 16 keys of RAM, so that would affect your budget too. Hold on, we'll get to it. I suspect yours will go up more. The point is, I don't mind the SSD that much because I'm using a NAS for storage anyway.

All right, I got three Thunderbolt 4 ports. I have an HDMI port, a couple USB-C ports, in addition to my Thunderbolt ports. Headphone jack, okay. Hold on, hold on, we're gonna get to RAM. We're gonna get to RAM in a second. First of all second first of all expensive I don't want to talk about this first of all for my for my NAS I You know I'm gonna need 10 gig and I don't really need Final Cut Pro or Logic Pro That's fair the point is

At the starting at the base configuration This good enough for most people is an absolutely configuration this good enough for most people is an absolutely killer machine yeah is the only thing that I think that I would recommend for like grandpappy oh yeah needs a needs a computer Mac minis have been killer for a long time and this is honestly a very good jump dude there's definitely gonna be some stuff for us to talk about in the review like the fact that they put the power button on the bottom it's like why how often you turning off your computer why yeah but who cares why it's like aesthetics you know they redesigned the mouse again and

they put the charger on the bottom again is there an Apple logo on the top of it again they put the charger on the bottom again is there an Apple logo on the top of the Mac mini? Like it's just Here we can see the whole gallery Right, right. It should just made that the power button. Look and it should glow. It should glow like the old Mac Mini. Yeah Why not? Sure. Where am I gonna put my coffee then? Oh my goodness. Anyway, the point is the point is that This thing is absolutely killer until the second you want to upgrade it. So this is where things do get a little bit more complicated. You can see that the $800 configuration changes only that you get 256 gigs of storage.

Trash! 256 gigs of storage trash So for context let's just fire up the old new egg calm What would it? 256 gigs actually you know what no let's see what two terabytes of of Storage would cost me over on new egg dot look home. It's like gotta be basically Pretty normal these for look home. Which is like, gotta be basically a, I wouldn't say a minimum, but like, pretty normal these days. For $154. And that's a nice WD Black drive, like there's a cheaper Samsung one right below it. And even that is a nice-

Western's number one is even cheaper! Brand name drive. Yeah. That is a 990 EVO, that is a really nice- I'm fairly certain for two terabytes you can get under a hundred bucks. That's nice SSD so Apple is literally charging an order of magnitude more than commodity SSD pricing for a storage upgrade speaking of which oh shoot I forgot to have this added to the dock but someone someone like hacked together Apple SSD upgrade harness or something. Oh no, I can't find it. I can't find it.

If someone can find it, send it to me. But someone made a way to upgrade the SSDs in Macs, like some hardware hacker. And then things don't get much better. A mere 8 gigs of memory. Okay, so that appears to be the only upgrade going from the $800 configuration to the $1000 configuration. I get 8 more gigs of RAM. That will cost me another $200. For context, for context context here's 32 gigs of

DDR5 Sorry sorry for context here's 64 gigs of DDR5 Whoopsie doodles for $200 so go resist loop we don't need to do 64 gigs let's let's not let's not they can't resist brother but let's go to 32 gigs on the Apple configurator and a 2 terabyte SSD and how much does that cost all right all right let me start with my base Let me start with my base configuration, so you're gonna make me the business team would not accept. You're gonna make me go all the way except 16 gigs and a 2 terabyte SSD and I think you turn with us to see is fair just as a reminder guys

Just as a reminder. Oh my gosh. We just spent okay on new egg for 64 gigs of memory and a 2 terabyte SSD We just spent about $350. We went from a $600 machine buying half as much memory, half as much memory and the same, and actually less storage, slightly less storage, because we had the 256 gig to start. We went from a $600 machine to an $1800 computer. That's how they get you.

That's a rip. That's a rip right there. That's how they get you. Apple gives you the first hit for cheap. Now I can just like get whatever I want. Yeah. Yeah, you can have whatever you like. Get whatever I want. Yeah.

Yeah, you can have whatever you like. So I think that our review of the M4 Mac Mini is gonna be a little bit complicated because as a basic machine that kind of does 98% of what any non-gamer, so we're talking non-gamers, it'll probably do 98% of what 90 plus percent of people would need. And it'll do it for a long time. Apple supports their products with software for a very long time. And that used to be a major

strength for the PC platform, but I feel like it's actually been a little less. Things have been a little bumpy with trusted platform modules, with vulnerabilities that are only getting patched back a couple of generations. You've got to give credit to Apple for the things that they do well. At that entry level price, this thing absolutely slaps. But as soon as you start tweaking anything,

Luke's sitting over here building an $1,800 computer right now, I guess. I'm having fun. Is that what you're working on? Okay, well let's see how you're doing over here. So I upgraded to a 7800X3D, I upgraded to a 4070. I haven't changed the SSD or the RAM yet,

but that honestly won't increase the price much. Okay, I think you owe Apple a motherboard with some USB 4 ports or something. That's fair. Yeah, you know we're gonna be if we're gonna be somewhat fair to Apple here Yeah, I barely even really started. Yeah people want to see like a 4070 or something like that Like let's outperform this was a 4070. Oh, did you know? Yeah, that was a 4070 in there Motherboard shopping Yeah, that's fine. Just use filters You got this motherboard shopping... oh boy... yeah that's fine just use filters.

You got this. He's got this. Not to mention that you're gonna have all the PC, like, DIY PC benefits of, you know, PCI Express slots that you can expand and if you go AM5 in particular, which AMD has committed to support until I believe it's 2027, you may... Oh sorry, I had something in my eye there. which AMD has committed to support until I believe it's 2027, you may... Sorry, I had something in my eye there. You may see future upgrades to the CPU that Luke has chosen, for example, that might offer

measurable performance improvements, potentially, allegedly. What you got there? Did you find the motherboard? I still only need Thunderbolt, right? No, no, no. We're not doing that? As long as you got USB 4 and you got a decent number the Thunderbolt right no no no no I'm not doing that as long as you got USB for and you got a decent number USB C points I think it's pretty legit then for in regards to features. Okay. All right cool Cool, what else you got you got probably get a better cooler. You could probably get more. I am if you wanted What are you even at for your price? 1360 you're at

$1,350 So your price is oh 1360 here at $1350 Wow, let's get yeah, 32 gigs of ram. Why not that seems pretty good. All right. It's less than a hundred bucks Well, I think we've made our point on this topic we can move on I Got a four terabyte drive just for fun I'm still under your butt shit You got to rub it in like that. Hey, all right. I see how it is I could yeah, I could get a sick knockctua cooler as well, still be under both of them. Yeah, well your computer's like huge, so the Mac Mini is mini, so get wrecked.

Yeah, get wrecked. Get wrecked. I win. I declare victory for Team Apple. I unapologetically declare victory. Alright, what do you want to talk about next? Uh, let's do... Plastic victory. Let's do some of these modern things. This was a really cool week for for modifications. Do you want to do the car thing or do you want to do the Steam Deck framework? Yes! Alright, Steam Deck framework. I wasn't answering your

question. Okay, whatever. You picked what you like. I picked one. Okay, the Beth Deck. Yeah, this thing is really cool. Do you want to go for it? No, no, do it. Modder Beth Lee? Lay? Lee? I'm gonna go with Lee. Has designed her own gaming handheld built around a framework 13 laptop mainboard. If she worked on textiles instead of technology, she could be Bethlehem. Bethlehem. Wow. Wow. Okay, alright. Uh... Okay, you're not gonna ding him?

Alright, there we go. Sorry, I'm still in shock. Yeah, that was intense. Yeah. Um... Hey, uh... Okay. Anyways, it's called the best deck.

I'm trying to show a picture, but, um... We talked about this a little bit on the pre-show. Dude, it's so bad these days. How impossible it is to use the internet now, okay? It looks so cool! Oh my goodness. Anyways, they posted 3D print files for the handheld case to printables

and designed it as a part of an ongoing competition on the site to make a cool framework mainboard case. Included with the files is a list of necessary parts in the description. What? No way, that's awesome. Like screws and an eight inch 900P touchscreen. All the listed parts apparently cost around 200 bucks before shipping.

But that doesn't include the framework main board, the framework battery, RAM, SSD, or a wifi card. Muzzle that up. You can get all that from framework. The BethDeck is entirely solderless except for the listed speakers, but they don't actually recommend them because they sound like ****. I pressed a button, I did the thing, I was a good boy. And are too powerful for the small handheld. They claimed that the whole thing

can be assembled in about 15 minutes and disassembled in less than two minutes Or zero if you try hard enough There are some issues with the design aside from the speaker the left joystick is a little bit sticky Apparently the battery can overheat and the power button Flies off and out the window during disassembly Due to these quirks and the design's popularity assembly. Due to these quirks and the design's popularity, they're releasing a 1.5 version on November 8 to fix the smaller problems. Beth is also designing a thinner and lighter 2.0

version, which will apparently feature a custom PCB for the controls and better speakers. Wow. Dude, this is so sick. It looks actually like, really cool. Investment disclosure, I'm invested in framework. This is amazing. So I want to try this for a short circuit video. That actually be kind of... I don't know if that's a short circuit video, but I... Well, they said it's... You make it in 20 minutes. I mean... The whole thing can be assembled in 15 minutes and it's solderless.

I guess. Theoretically, that's a lot of prep for a short circuit video though. That is true. Sourcing everything and all that. So no promises that it would be short circuit, but I feel like I'd be kind of down to try it. Could be fun on an LTT, I don't know. The value proposition? Maybe not amazing. Not gonna be great.

But that's also potentially true for frameworks. Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, no. This is kind of hard for the course with highly repairable things sometimes. I think it's really awesome. I think it's super cool. Great work, Beth. Keep it going. I love that they're like making a second revision and stuff. Yeah. Like this is more interesting to me than than just a Steve deck. I don't know. Seems cool. I mean to be clear, there's still great things about the Steam Deck. Steam OS. Oh, yeah. Freaking awesome. This obviously doesn't have trackpads. The audio is tuned really well in the Steam Deck. It uses, especially the new OLED one, uses a beautiful OLED display with HDR. Like, let's be very clear, this is not the thing to buy if you just want a smooth seamless portable gaming

experience. But, say you're in the framework ecosystem, you're upgrading your laptop. Sure. This is a pretty legit thing to do with your old motherboard. That's so sick compared to what most old laptops get used for. Yeah. Like, either nothing or a very small, uncool task. Dude, the number of like, tech upgrade videos that we've done or off-site shoots that we've done in people's homes basically, where their old tech is just abandoned in a bag somewhere or behind a shelf somewhere. What if you could turn it into a handheld gaming machine? What if you could take it with you on the go? So sick.

Very cool. Do we want to talk about the other one? Sure. Yeah, let's do that. It's near the bottom of the dock, I think. Yeah, it's right above the sponsors. Spotify's car thing has, I would say, I watched this whole video. It was actually really good.

I would say it's it's straight-up saved It says is saved question mark on the dock, but like no, this is actually amazing YouTuber damnit Jeff released a video this week discussing Custom firmware for Spotify's car thing a $90 device The music streaming company will be remotely bricking in two months either way that that, f**k that. That's really stupid. Yeah, not cool. So before then, there's Desk Thing, a firmware that has its own companion app for your PC, and that also has an app store for your car thing.

That is so cool. There's Glance Thing, which in addition is still controlling Spotify playback. It allows you to add shortcuts to launch apps on your PC, similar to something like a stream deck. That's super cool. And then there's Nocturne, which isn't officially out yet and is the only firmware that managed to get

the Carthing's original features working, which is pretty cool. For now, it requires a host device for networking capabilities and whatnot. There's also other things you can do with it as well. Apparently modders have determined car thing will still be moddable after the brick date as well, which is cool.

And honestly, I would really just highly recommend watching the video. It's actually just really cool what they've done with it. Jeff or Dammit Jeff also goes over, as you can see, yeah, really cool ways to mount it and like 3D printed little things like he has two different ways that you can just mount it so it sits on your desk and then there's that one where it's actually magnetically held there.

That is so cool. So it's held under his monitor but you can just pull it off and move it somewhere else. Really cool. I think it's magnetically held at least. But yeah, really awesome. Come on darn it. Really cool. I think it's magnetically held at least. But yeah, really awesome. Come on darn it. Very cool video. The preview doesn't show you see if I click a preview, my expectation is that it will take me to a frame that shows that is anyway, the point is you guys should watch the video anyway. Don't look at don't don't look at

us looking at the video. Look at the video for yourself. look at don't look at us looking at the video look at the video for yourself fantastic video really cool project I thought it was so cool that I was like hey maybe I actually want one of these things and then you went on eBay yeah and found out that they're like over twice as much as they originally were what like our notes are like $90 device cuz it was it was a $90 device here. It is no longer a $90 device option like a $300 device Spotify had no idea what they had His username could not be more perfect yeah Yeah, this is why we can't have nice broken things Jeff

You're fixed in CPUs and motherboards. He's fixed in car things typical Jeff's. It's all ruined way to go Jeff's as a group. I just I don't condone you I can't condone you Jeff Yeah, super super cool. I. All the Jeffs in chat apologizing. You should! Literally mid video, I paused it, opened up eBay, and was like, Car Thing, and I opened up eBay Canada

and looked up Car Thing, and I was like, Oh, they're just trying to scam people that don't know. I'll go to the American one. And it was just worse. I was like, what? Yep. Oh man. Oh well. Anywho, it's time for us to explain merch messages. Yeah, we don't do super chats, we don't do twitch bits, we do merch messages through because of a combination of features on other platforms not actually working correctly,

and also we just think it's playing better. If you want to interact with the show, hey, why not throw money at your screen and, you know, maybe producer Dan replies to you in the bottom here or just post your message if you have a shout out or maybe he forwards it to someone internally to get back to you. What? Alright. I don't know. Oh.

Or maybe he curates it and Luke and I respond. No matter what does or doesn't happen to your merch message, you will at least get your order in the mail. We've got all kinds of great stuff on LTTstore.com including an exciting new product launch that's right my friends it's here the one no not that the one the only WANSHOW Corkboard! Wow does it come with the pins? No. Oh. You have to get your own pins. Oh. But we've had lots of pins.

I asked the team, I was like, do we have any new pins to announce with it? And they were like, nope. And I was like, oh you could mount your pins there. That's cool. Are you, are you for real right now? I mean, I don't have cork boards or or am I a pin collector? So I didn't really put it together, but I didn't put together putting your these store pins. You are for real right now No, no, no look look look look in the on the store. They don't use it that way

I mean, yeah, I guess I mean you could scroll down a little No, no No, there's no there's no examples of this wait shut up Keep scrolling Are there not more pictures? Oh, this is the last one. That's it. We didn't put any LTT pins on it in the pictures No, oh Well We've definitely done pin collections in the past it It's also not in the related products. The inspiration for doing this was definitely for people to be able to

put their LTT pins on them. Well, maybe we can put a picture of that somewhere. Because I looked at this picture and I was like, oh yeah, that's neat. It's not included. This is how I've used these types of things in the past, but I didn't think about it being like a collection thing. I forgot we sold things. Like a Thanos glove for I blame Colton. A Thanos glove for LTT store pins. Already oof. Anyway, nothing shows I'll read the thing I'll read the thing nothing shows your passion for tech more than a snazzy new cork board that lets people know you watch two big nerds talk about it for hours every week. Yeah. It comes with six push pins which are already inserted into the side,

and it is super easy to hang on your wall, thanks to its two keyhole slots on the back, which conveniently we have put magnetic cable management power bar holders into, because they will definitely work for that, but anyway, two little keyhole slots, you can just throw a couple nails or screws in the wall, or you can use these and you can magnetically mount it, would be super cool. What else we got to talk about? It's... One power bar key is already attached.

Available now at LMG.GG slash Corkboard. We've got a couple of other announcements. Floatplane November update. We have a packed November for our Floatplane members. For starters, we'll be dropping a new Why Is Wan Late episode next Friday. It's a monthly behind the scenes of Linus and Luke's time after 4 30 pm every Friday. We will also have a new Person Week airing mid-late month. It's going to be ElijahK! Don't expect any back flips though, I have personally forbade-en it. It is forbaded. Finally, we're asking our subscribers to send in questions for an Yvonne Q&A. This says please click. They should just do an Yvonne week.

Here. This is such a terrible picture of Yvonne. Hi floaties, we're planning on shooting an Yvonne Q&A. Leave your questions below, they may get answered. Good lord, that is a lot of questions. It's been amazing. Remember we talked about that concept, Luke, of having like a hater wall, posting like comments about how float plane will never work and will always fail and whatever else.

And like using it as inspiration for, you know, yeah. Flowplain is definitely a thing. It's actually a great community. The comments and the interaction under the videos is like super positive most of the time. I mean, anytime people are passionate about things, sometimes things can get a little bit heated, but it's a great-

In general, it's pretty good though. It's a great community, and we've got a great month coming up for you guys. And all you got to do is go to LMG.GG slash Floatplane to get subscribed and you can submit questions for Sammy to go through and select. What else we got? Oh, okay. The last announcement before we do a couple of Merch messages is our ex-partner anchor is once again... Just... Oh, wait. Sorry, this post was deleted.

Uh, oh, okay. Well, why'd they delete it? That's weird. I don't know. Apparently... Hold on. Someone says, no, it doesn't list me there. so maybe they finally removed it for real? Yeah well I don't think it was in this slidey thing. I'm going I'm going. It was here. That night it used to be next to that.com. Okay all right.

It probably got deleted because they updated it maybe we're clear then okay well if they did well anyway okay good well that's good then all right why don't we do a couple merge messages sure hit me hey guys Linus have you seen the trailers for a Claire obscure expedition 33 no what now as a fellow turn-based our JRP fan, I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm super excited for it. Claire obscure expedition 33. That's not even on my radar at all yet. What is this? I don't know. It's coming in next year. Okay, from who?

Interesting. Multi-platform release, that's always nice to see. Cast reveal trailer? I mean, it definitely has a vibe so far, but no, this is the first that I'm hearing of it, so this might have to be something that I'll have to throw on my list. Reactive turn-based combat? Dodge, parry, and counter? Oh, okay, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad. I mean, Super Mario RPG is kind of reactive. No, the reason why I reacted that way is when people say what the combat is and they don't show it, I always get suspicious. I mean, it seems like it's pretty early.

It's made by Sandfall interactive. Sandfall? What are they known for? Publisher Kepler interactive? I have no idea Sandfall interactive Games list. What have you guys done before? I think this might be the first one. Good luck everyone. Yeah. CTO comes from Ubisoft. CEO comes from Ubisoft.

This is an Ubisoft splinter company. Oh, okay. As in people from Ubisoft left and made this. Not it is an Ubisoft Splinter Company. Oh, okay. As in people from Ubisoft left and made this. Not it is in Ubisoft Company. Well, hopefully they're the good people from Ubisoft because they had to have gone somewhere. My way too short video that I made was about how this is happening a lot now.

Yeah. So. And I mean, there is obviously a period of pain right now in the games industry. Oh yeah. But what I hope is that projects like this, companies like this are wildly successful and we see kind of a the growth that comes after the volcano, you know? And to be clear clear the people that are that are suffering in the layoffs and the and the upheaval It's not fun for anyone. It's it's it's terrible. But if there was a good outcome that

could happen Stuff like this and and and the success of stuff like this would be it. Yeah, I Recognized the the CEOs name So I'm trying to look up what they've done. And my Google foo is failing right now. But I recognize the CEO's name. And yeah, I mean, I hope it does well. I am hoping for basically any of these companies where people split off from one of these big developers that are failing pretty hard right now, and they try to make something themselves, I have big hopes for all of them.

So I hope this one works out as well. Yeah. All right. One more. Hit me, Dan. Sure. Third time buyer, first time messenger. Did you see Jeff Geerling's video

on the LTT precision screwdriver, and how well did you enjoy it? I did see his video. Did you see Jeff Geerling's video on the LTT precision screwdriver and how well did you enjoy it? I did see his video. I watched pieces of it. Like I watched the sections that I thought were most relevant. I didn't watch like the fidget spinner bit. It seemed pretty long.

I think he's just having fun with it. But yeah, I agree. I think that. how do I put this, I think that it's ultimately up to every individual user what features of a product benefit them the most. I didn't really fully understand some of the preferences. Like as someone who has worked on small electronics a fair bit over the years, be they laptops or phones or game consoles or controllers or whatever the case may be, you know, I don't see a clear benefit to having a longer hex portion of the bit, whereas I do see a

very clear benefit to having a longer blade portion of a bit because it happens so often that plastic housings will leave a screw deeply recessed and having a longer blade for me means I'll be reaching for the dedicated precision fixed drivers a lot less often than I otherwise would have to I was a little confused that more... hmm. Well he compared it against their plastic one when they have a metal one,

right? Yeah, I don't... yeah, yes. And their metal one doesn't have the the bit storage so I think he might have gone from a feature standpoint so he went bit storage against bit storage instead of metal driver metal premium drivers his metal premium driver I I don't know something that you know like to me as someone who has used a precision screwdriver a lot something that would have, like to me as someone who has used a precision screwdriver a lot, something that would have been apparent to me very immediately about our driver is the superior magnetic strength compared to other precision drivers. It's one of those little things that we don't cheap out on that, or I shouldn't even say

don't cheap out on because having a magnet at all means you didn't cheap out on the design in my opinion but that we we spent extra time and we spent extra money to to ensure that it was a really good experience it's one of those things that we do that should be again pretty Again, pretty immediately apparent, but didn't really seem to draw much attention. So I don't know. I mean, look, the reality of it is, obviously, I think our product is great, or I never would have greenlit the release of it. So you can't really take my opinion and as I always say you know you should get multiple you should

get you should take multiple opinions anytime you're looking to buy a product so whether it's reviews on our site or whether it's you know other creators that we sent creator editions out to you know all we ask for is the possibility that they will maybe consider talking about it with their own authentic voice and their own honest opinions. And so yeah, you know, that what that means is that every once in a while, we're going to send out a driver and someone's going to like it a lot. And every once in a while, we're going to send out a driver and someone's not going

to like it that much. And and you know, that's that that's that's how it works so as far as my understanding goes the the cheaper one that has bit storage the cap doesn't spin so you don't have that palm turn I think it spins a little but not much like not not well I haven't used it directly so I don't know yeah yeah I don't know it's it's interesting Yeah, I don't know it's it's interesting All right, what are we doing next the comments on that video or Our pretty I have no comment on the comments

Have you read the comments US judges are using algorithmic tools just kind of whenever they feel like it Original article here is from the verge and both it and actually speaking of comments, the comment section on that article are worth having a look at because there's kind of an interesting debate and what side of the debate you land on, I guess, can be up to you to kind of see how you feel about it.

But I think it's really worth a read. Dan, if you don't mind throwing the link to the Verge article into the various chats, I'd appreciate that very much. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Sure thing. But here's kind of the gist of it. An always time-strapped court system in the U.S. is increasingly turning to risk assessment algorithms as a way of guiding a judge's decision for whether to grant bail. So a bailiff inputs the file information and then the algorithm checks a vast database of past cases and assigns a score, low, medium, or high, or a number on a scale. And this system basically is supposed to algorithmically suggest

what the risk of re-offense might be. These systems are intended to reduce the impact of personal bias from a judge, but there's a lot of questions about how well that's actually working. A recent study published in Social Problems found that judges report accepting or refusing the advice of these algorithmic tools selectively for their own human potentially biased reasons. Judges reported using these tools to quickly process lower stakes cases even when they weren't confident

in the output that was provided. So basically it's an algorithmic armor, you know? It's like a, it's a shield against making a bad judgment call by just kind of going, oh, well the algorithm said. Imagine your algorithmic armor had LTT pins on it. However, they also admitted that they were leery of accepting low scores in cases of domestic violence,

for example, or other more intimate crimes due to not trusting the weighing of the algorithm and also due to concern over their own reputations. To be clear, I 100% agree that in a case of an intimate crime or domestic violence, they should be erring on the side of high risk of re-offense, not necessarily because the risk of re-offense is necessarily higher, but because the stakes are so high, if the risk of re-offense for shoplifting a pack of gum is high, that I don't care. Whereas if the risk of re-offense of assault with a deadly weapon against your spouse is

low- Vehicular manslaughter. weapon against your spouse is low, I'll take a 99% risk of reoffense for the gum over a 3% risk of reoffense for spousal assault. You know? Like, I get it. I just mean you don't get to selectively decide if the algorithm works or not based on your own feeling in the moment because that's basically just your own feeling in the moment with extra steps. The judges reported using the apparent authority of these systems to defend unpopular decisions as well.

All in all, the judges were using their own moral views as a ruler to determine whether or not the algorithm was legitimate and would shift how they felt about it from case to case. Other studies have raised questions about how accurate this system is at predicting whether a given prisoner will reoffend because they have found garbage in, garbage out problems where biased training data would cause certain demographics to be rated as more likely to reoffend Even when the individual in question doesn't have a significant past criminal history demographics are included in theory No, but the problem with any algorithmic system

AI included is that if you tell it hey you can't factor in race For example, it will find proxies, like location, the area you live, or your income. Yeah. So dystopia. Yeah. Dystopiocracy. That's gonna be... But hey, you won't have to pay as much taxes because you won't have to pay the judges for as many hours. Yeah, I guess. Until they just press that button and then sit in the office and judge on the phone. It's Judge Dredd. It is super amazing how easily dismantled the whole taxes or theft argument is. Oh boy.

And how quickly people change their tune if the public resources available to them that they need are not there because they didn't pay for them. Oh yeah. Luke, our taxi's here if you wanna get going. Yeah, All right. With that said, I am 100% angry, as everyone should be,

about the way my tax dollars are wasted. They are not efficiently used. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But whether taxes as a concept should exist. It's like, well, yeah yeah but the problem is corruption I told you the whole was it invasive deer I think it was on that one island have I told you this story invasive deer sorry what no let me try to find this up look this up hold on you see island helicopter sniper oh yeah yeah yeah yeah Invasive deer, DC Island helicopter, sniper.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you told me about this, okay, all right. Tax dollars are spent extremely well. There are no problems with tax dollars. Tax dollars are fine. We need to get rid of some invasive deer that the hunters would really, really like to go after to the point where they would pay you to take these deer out. So why don't we spend over three quarters of a million dollars?

Let's get some Americans to come up over the border, bring a helicopter, and go hunting with sniper rifles in the air to take out 84 deer, and let's spend almost a million dollars on it. Let's go! Trig says, that's only ten thousand dollars a deer Luke Isn't it like the Emu war in the in Australia? That was a little bit more real. They deployed the army and still lost. Yeah This is this is 84 deer dude This is this is 84 deer dude Hunters used to just hunt for them, please and it was fine. Don't bring this up again It makes me a rationally and hey you could gain tax dollars Instead you spent them

As someone who pays a lot of fucking taxes I As someone who pays a lot of fucking taxes I Promise you that this makes me far more angry than my currently calm composed demeanor would suggest It's so infi I can't like it actually hurts My yeah, look look hold on sorry the cost of the first phase Which includes the helicopter and marksman from the US and New Zealand? For some reason, is about $834,000. It's about that much, and that's only the first phase.

The eradication is part of a nearly $6 million multi-year project to restore the land. Okay, that's cool. Sick. Meanwhile, do you know what's going on in Surrey schools? No. Oh. Sick! Meanwhile, do you know what's going on in Surrey schools? No. Oh. Instead of having a fixed school day, like, you know, 8.30 to 3.00 PM,

or whatever. Oh, I've heard about this. They have staggered school days. So some students and therefore teachers start earlier and end earlier, and some start later and end later, vastly extending the potential school day, making after school care and after school, like activity planning for parents, a flip of nightmare. Not to mention inconveniencing teachers who...

What if you're on the high school basketball team, and the school that you're playing against does late hours and your school does early hours? It's student by student Yeah, so you might And this is because we don't have enough capacity It's it's a whole it's a whole thing. Yeah, basically I don't have to explain this people in the chat are picking up What I'm throwing down pretty quick here. It's a nightmare, but thank the maker we got rid of those deer And to be clear, this is Parks Canada, this is federal, this is provincial and municipal. It's not actually necessarily

the same coffers that were robbed to go on a little shooting expedition. You gotta assume that. You know, like someone was buddies with someone to get the assignment to go... Do you know how much people would pay to go helicopter deer hunting? Oh yeah. Like... Oh yeah. Dude! Oh yeah. You could turn this into a tourist attraction. Turn it into a huge event. The number of millions of dollars of tourism dollars that you could generate for the province By just making this a tourist attraction over the next few years. You're spending six million dollars. Are you kidding me? Just tell just tell the hunters of North America because I'm sure people would travel for this. Hey We'll give you a hundred bucks a deer and you don't have to pay us anything

Dude, no, you know why they shouldn't do that. Problem entirely. Oh, you know why they're not supposed to do that. Snake rats. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but if you only gave a license to the parks, like only people who can kill these deer are sanctioned by us and all of them have to be accounted for. Maybe that saves it. Yeah, maybe that would be fine. But if you pay per head, then yeah, no. Viper head argument.

Let me see if I can find this. I haven't heard of this. We're about to get a lesson. I also know it as rats. I think it's- I've heard this story a bunch of times. I don't know if any of them are actually like- Might be snakes.

I don't know what it is. The original one. I don't remember exactly. Oh! Yeah actually like... Might be snakes I don't know what is the original one. I don't remember exactly oh yeah viper... Yeah I think the snakes was the original one yeah. Uh I don't know either either way it cobra heads that's it not yeah cobra heads. Indian cobra head problem so the the government wanted to get rid of or the local government or whatever wanted to get I might say this slightly wrong I'm sorry uh they wanted to get rid of cobras.

Okay. So they were like okay well we'll put a bounty on cobrabras. Yeah. So if people find a cobra and they kill the cobra, they can hand in the cobra head and they make money. What if they put it in a Romanian jail? Cobra, cobra, okay, I got you. That's pretty good. But they, they, people just started breeding cobras so they could farm cobra heads. And then you always forget the, don't forget the end bit. Okay, so apparently last year locals called 2000 deer at no cost. And apparently 25% of the 84 deer that were called were actually local non-invasive deer. Oh, great. Probably because they were up in a helicopter.

Yeah. Trying to identify a particular species of deer. Yeah. It's actually like it, I... It actually causes me physical pain. I believe the world is worse and humans are worse for it, having known that story. Cool. The Cobra Head story depresses me a lot less.

You got to finish the Cobra Head story. And it's very clear. Didn't I finish it? No, there's an end part as well. Because everybody's been breeding these cobras and then the government goes, oh, people are breeding them and then they get rid of the bounty and then they just release all of the cobras. So now it's even worse than before.

Yeah. You think they just kill them. No, but like, why would I bother now? They're snakes, they're gross. Well, yeah, but I've, honestly, I would think it's like kind of a hassle to release a cobra. I'm assuming it was.

Cause you'd have to be near it, you know, or something. I just open the door and toss it at the window. Yeah, dump it off a building. Yeah, I guess. But like, wouldn't it be easier to just not do anything and just like let it die? Like, I don't know. I feel like it's a bit of a protest.

Give us our bounty back. Oh, I could see that. Cause at that point it's a business for people, right? Yeah, I could see that. You ruined my business. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, put him on planes. Thanks Travis. Also, the quotes about the 2000 deer, whatever that was from, CreatorWare host Sebastian,

I don't know if I mentioned that or not. Alright, thanks Sebastian. Yeah, I just like, my goodness. I don't know how we got onto that topic. Let's talk about sponsors, Let's talk about our business Yeah Like from Manscaped you might be drooling over the turkey on the dinner table, but don't forget There's one other bird that really needs some attention

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this still but anyway. The point is you can also pick from tons of domain names with built-in privacy and security. So start building your website today and receive 10% off your purchase by visiting squarespace.com slash LTT. Why don't we do a merch message? If you want, yeah, sure. Are people enjoying the corkboard? It seems like a weird, uh, it seems like a weird thing to, uh, oh, if only we sold pins.

Yeah. I don't know. What a weird, unexpected, we sold pins. Yeah. I don't know. What a weird, unexpected, unique use case. You never know, you know, when you develop a product, you know, if it'll ever make it to the finish line, if people will like it. Oh, people like cork boards. Okay, cool. Speaking of the scenario that Dennis just gave us.

Yes. If you were interviewing someone, you're not the interviewee, you're the interviewer. Yeah. And they show up on camera, you know, you do the webcam thing. Oh, this is a remote interview to be clear. Yeah, yeah. They show up on camera, they're in the webcam thing.

You can tell they're in the office. Like at work. And they booked a meeting room. Yeah, it's a bad vibe for me. It's a bad vibe? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely, that puts me, cause it's like it's a bad vibe. It's a bad vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I definitely that puts me

Cuz it's like I don't know. It's like it's like meeting your new man when he's still with her You know And I'm not saying that you should have the kind of loyalty to an employer that you would have to a significant other definitely not But yeah, it's not a good vibe is all I'm saying. Yeah, like have the have the class to like, you know, be somewhere else. Schedule up for a time when you aren't, you know, clearly. What if you can tell? Yeah. That they're like in their car. That's fine.

That's fine. Yeah. So they might even still be like, they basically just went outside. Yeah. Flappy here says it might be their lunch. In which case it should be no problem for them to step out. Yeah.

And yeah, cause they're technically using, like they're in a meeting room. Like they're using company property. Yep, which Maybe it was a rental office I doubt it. No, I Understand what they're saying. It could also be a co-workspace. Yeah, but usually you can tell yep Most office spaces I've I've I've seen this happen in Usually you can tell there's like signage in the background

or there's the name of the meeting room on the wall. Dan, we've got a segment for next week's WAN show. Oh yeah. Okay, so we're gonna do a tier list. We are going to rank places that people are calling us from. So Dan, how's the Merge Message load this week? Do you have a little bit of time to keep an eye on the chat for a bit? Yeah. Okay, cool. So if you want to kind of put them together,

and we're going to do a tier list next week. And so guys, if you want to hit up the Floatplane chat for Dan, and he can kind of take some of the good suggestions that he sees. And then next week, Luke and I will rank. And we can have some honorable mentions for ones that are funny sure but in all seriousness Let's rank How good of a foot it's puts forward For locations that that you that what you would think when yeah I think this will be kind of fun if If we could have a board that, if it's possible,

allows me and Luke to rank things on our own without seeing each other's answers, I don't know. We'll find a fun way to do it. You could just take that metal board Sammy had and just tape a foam thing in the middle. Yeah, something like that would probably work fine. And then if we just had little printout magnets or labels, we could even just have labels. They don't even have to be magnetic. We just peel them off after the show. But we could just put them on just with the words. That'd be kind of fun. All right. When I hired Yuki, when I called him to offer him the job effectively, he was making sushi at the time. And for the entire duration of that conversation,

he did not stop making sushi. That's kind of Chad. It was pretty sick. I remember when I finally hung up, I was like, huh. All right. Multi-faceted. You know about the swastika that Dennis had on his wall, right, during his interview?

Dennis Liao? You know about the swastika that Dennis had on his wall, right? During his interview? Uh... Dennis Liao? Yeah, no, this actually... Now rings a bell. But he didn't know what it was? No, he was at a protest. He was protesting a policy that the sign, because I couldn't read the sign, because it was in Chinese.

So the sign was like, this policy is like Nazism. Yeah, I read this now. Yeah. But I had to ask. Yeah. You know? What's that? Because back then, you know, that kind of stuff hadn't made its way into mainstream acceptance again yet. I don't know if it's acceptance. It depends where you go. Fair enough. Anyway, yeah, so I definitely had to ask. But yeah, he was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, that, yeah,

no, no, no, no. It was either Swastika or it was a picture of Hitler. I can't remember, but either way, it was not a good first impression. How many of these do you want? I have 31 now. I think that's more than enough. So why don't we do another Merch Message?

Yeah, sure. Give me one sec. Okey dokey, Merch Messages. Hi, Linus and Luke. I have a question for you both. Okay. Me and a friend have worked on building a game for- A friend and I you're

welcome your grammar has now been corrected and thank you for sending in your merch message. I was going to correct them for them and I thought I wouldn't. Oh, they've been building a game for 7000 hours. How do we know when it's ready for public beta when you're late 1000 hours? What do you even that's the base level of a skill, right? What? 10,000 hours. I mean, that's not what they're asking. Like, milestone-wise. About sixty-nine hundred and ninety hours ago.

To be perfectly honest. Fail fast, fail early. Is your finish game fun? No one's played it. Uh... Come on. Both of you are being supremely unhelpful right now. Supremely. Now, do it right now.

Yeah, yeah, what do you want? Do now. Unless it's in alpha and it has been for a while and it's like actually all together. Oh, send it to us now. Yeah, I don't want to show. Where's my key? Yeah.

I'm an influencer. Oh, give me a shout out to my 75 followers. For public beta, I mean, you can do rolling datas with Steam now. I would try to get some friends that you can trust to not puffery you and see if they actually have fun with the game. And if they actually have fun with the game,

then yeah, do a public test or do something else. If it's in private alpha or private beta, go public beta, do it in small rollout. As far as my understanding goes, it's pretty common in the small time game developer kind of space thing for people to pass their stuff back and forth and get feedback from each other and do things that way as well.

So maybe join like a forum or a discord, probably a discord these days. And see if there's people that are interested in willing to do a little play test of your game, do that Tesla waters. Cause there might be something that like you and the person that you're working on it with, uh, think is just fine because you've done it a trillion times, but then someone with a new perspective might run into it and be like, I don't get this.

And it might be fairly easy to fix. So I would do it that way first and then try to hit it with something else. Or you have to redesign the entire thing, which happens a lot too. Something that you are okay with, nobody seems to be okay with. Genesis says that's been a source of hacking too.

Yeah, of course, any time that there's file sharing in any community, it's a source of hacking. You can open it in some type of secure system, whatever. Doesn't pirate software help with this kind of thing? I have no idea. That sounds like it would be an incredible amount of work considering the size of greater that he has. All right, hit us with one more, Dan.

Hey, you guys did a sponsored video on Sleepbuds. Sure did. How are they? Are you still using them? Also saw the announcement video has 21 million views. Insane for a product launch like this. All right, a couple things here. So first of all, even in a sponsored video,

I won't say anything that I do not genuinely believe. First of all, it's against FTC guidelines. Second of all, it would completely nuke my credibility. That doesn't mean I've never said anything that has turned out to not be true. But what I do make a point of is separating things that are talking points from the brand and are clearly provided by the brand and things that I think and I won't say anything about my own opinion that isn't actually true regardless of whether it is sponsored or not sponsored. This has nuked many a sponsored deal, caused many an issue for our poor business team, the hard-working souls that they are,

but it is not something that there's any flexibility on for us. And I have even very recently actually lectured other hosts and writers about making sure that they hold their ground and do not allow any words to be put in their mouth that they do not agree with. One of our writers was told by someone in the production chain, hey can you just record this as a pickup in case the brand requires it and hopefully we won't have to use it and it was something that they weren't a hundred percent comfortable with. Not because they didn't like the product or because it was wrong, It was just a little more enthusiastic

Than they were the tone was not how they actually felt about it I overheard this conversation and I basically said look I got a really good piece of advice once on a shoot for a car commercial that I did like years and years ago and I was told to say something about the the definition of the screen and the center display and I said hey well okay what's the actual pixel count because I'm not going to say those words if I don't know that it's like something that aligns with those words like I'm a tech guy that's my entire identity is that I wouldn't say high definition unless it actually had a pixel count that could correspond to high definition. If you just mean like, like reasonably fine PPI, then then I'll have to say that

like I have to say what it actually is. And they like gave me a really hard time and they asked me to do the same thing. They asked me to record it both ways the way that I wanted to say it that hedged and the way that was exactly their words. And then they would find out and they would, you know, make sure before they do the edit. And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. You have like 30 people here. I think you guys can figure it out. This is going to delay us like five minutes.

Just call somebody and find out what the pixel count is. And the DP who was shooting it after they like stormed off because it was kind of it got kind of heated and I was like I'm not gonna do it I need you guys to figure this out the DP leans over and he's like look I'm on their payroll today but good job never shoot something that you don't believe that you don't want to be used because they'll use it. Based. And because that's the thing, right, is my contract entitles them to everything I shot that day.

I didn't get it in writing that they wouldn't use it. So like from a legal standpoint, unless I can prove we had that conversation. Oh, and they absolutely will. Yeah. It's not, it's not, it's either not binding or it's not worth me pursuing at that point. The easier thing to do is to just never shoot it. So long story short, long story short, the brand got it all figured out and it turned out their talking points were fine. Sure, it doesn't matter though.

But I just needed to know. It's the principle. I needed to know. And so coming back to your question, everything I said in the video was true. I have been using them. I haven't been using them every single night. There are definitely advantages to my regular AirPods Pros. In fact, I used my AirPods Pros last night.

They're just convenient because there's no pairing process or anything like that. However, with that said, my AirPods Pros fell out last night and I woke up and then I woke up really early this morning and they were dead so I couldn't put anything back on so the sleep buds would have fixed both of those problems if I had put in the effort as I was going to bed of bothering to pair them and put them in. So yeah, no, they're pretty sweet. As for the however many what was it you said 14 million views on the announcement? What was this? Hold on I can't even I can't even find this video

Oslo sleep I Do not see anything with 21 million views. Oh, here it is. Never mind popular. Okay so this channel has a 1,000 subscribers this video is from 11 months ago has 21 million views and has 12 comments yeah so so these are paid views so that's how it has 21 million views which is fine. You say that I think a lot of people are going to interpret that as bought it for you.

Oh, no, not that. He means it was ran as an advertisement on YouTube. Yeah. And when a advertisement is ran on YouTube, there is a video that you can go find that it actually is. It's they're really just playing a YouTube video before your YouTube video. So you can find the ad that's the ad.

But people don't comment on the ad. So there's almost no comments on the video. In fact, I can show you guys a really fun example of how that works because that video that Elijah and I worked on for Yvonne's movie night in the pool, the analytics look super funky for it. Oh no, oh, that's right. You can't go back and look at historical real-time. Ugh. Okay, well, shoot. Yeah,

it's been, it's been too, oh, I might have a, did I take a screenshot? No, I didn't take a screenshot. Okay, well, anyway,. The real time view used to look like a really high spike and then it went like this and then it went, and then like another decay and then went and then it went like flat like this. That is not normal. Normally when you first release a video it starts high and then it kind of just tapers out and then over time eventually it might kind of you know have some spikes and dips and that kind of thing. But instead, this followed a super weird curve compared to our typical, you can

actually see here. There you go, you can kind of see this was it petering out. And this was the first ad spend that Hisense did. And then it tapers off a little bit, and then here's some more ad spend, and then they stopped. So it actually reports as normal views in your dashboard, but you can see this estimated revenue is more reflective of a video that got like a million and a half views, not 3.8 million views. So those extra views compared to usual were purchased views from Hisense.

It didn't do as well as it looks. And what's unfortunate is it kind of mucks with your analytics, because this retention looks really bad because most people click off of ads. So that's something which I think might, we also noticed channel performance went down a little bit after this video. Like I think that may impact like our, our like channel momentum and stuff too. So we don't really have, I don't think we have a clear policy for whether someone is allowed to buy ads against our videos when they sponsor a video, but maybe that's something we'll have to look at. Because it seems like by juicing this video, we got a lot of like abandonment of this video. And given that they're going to be targeting

our demographic, if that counts as abandonment of LTT videos, that might mean it's less likely to serve them the next ones, which is like legit, except that it was an ad, it wasn't a video that they navigated to. So it kind of makes sense because I expected the case video to do better and I expected the secret shop in my own store video to kind of kill. So we might have to ask brands, oh you know what we could do is we could have a like a garbage channel and we can ask brands to use the like garbage channel version of the video. That's an interesting idea. Do you mind actually sending just a note to actually me and I'll follow that up next week I'll suggest that to the business team because then would you like it

scheduled or do you want me to send it to you now just whenever it is okay yeah my inbox is basically my to-do list yeah we know the intro is cringe black smoke rise it was on purpose it yeah really sping. Brit did a video on this and serving a video as an ad does affect it in the algorithm. Oh, I understand it will affect that video. But what I'm wondering channel is whether it affects the profile of that viewer that abandoned an LTT video and makes it less likely to serve them LTT. Because given how hard fought, how hard won momentum like that is, to lose any of it over something like this feels just unnecessary and frustrating. I don't know

that it did. But Silicoid says, how cold was it actually in the pool? It seemed you guys were really in there for a while. The pool was great. Being the top half of us being outside the pool. It seemed you guys were really in there for a while. The pool was great. Being the top half of us being outside the pool was miserable. In fact, I'd never experienced this before, but with how cold my skin got outside the pool and like rain and cold, when I finally did jump into the pool, which was still heated, it was crazy because you know, we keep our pool like quite warm for a pool, but it was still pool temperature but I got in it felt like a hot tub because I've never tried that before so that's a thing that if you've if you've like done that before you'll know but now I know. For a few months I was doing hot cold cycles and wow yeah. I would imagine that would

be painful because if a pool felt like a hot tub, a hot type tub would have been like pretty unpleasant, I would think. It was, uh, it wasn't a hot tub. It was a sauna. But yeah, it was hot. It was really hot. It was a cold bath and a sauna. Apparently with spiffing Brits video, you purposely placed the worst audience

and interests, i.e. senior book readers on a video game video, and that'll nuke all the channel's analytics after the spike from ad serving. Oh, interesting. So yeah, maybe that maybe we do need to do that. Okay, cool. Well, we'll get that we'll get that sorted out and we won't do that again. Yoinks. Want to talk about McDonald's soft serve machines? Yeah, because I had read an article on this already and it was misleading.

I have read our notes now and I now understand what's going on. What I said at the beginning of the show was wrong. In response to a petition from iFixit and nonprofit public interest group Public Knowledge, the US Copyright Office has granted a partial exemption to the DMCA that allows restaurant owners to diagnose and repair their own equipment. And where Luke got a little bit confused and maybe it goes to show you how full of misinformation the internet can be these days. I read an article that said the partial exemption was for McDonald's. Yeah. Yeah, like I, yeah.

Anyway, so Luke kind of thought, oh, this is like what, to help pad McDonald's. Yeah. Yeah, like I, yeah. Anyway, so Luke kind of thought, oh, this is like what, to help pad McDonald's pockets? No, in fact, this is to go against if you, if then the McDonald's soft serve machines are such a rabbit hole, it's fascinating. It is actually very interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. But what this does instead is it actually removes

the incentive for McDonald's corporate and their partners to not allow franchise owners to repair their own equipment. Because it turns out those service calls are extremely lucrative. And if they let them repair their own equipment, it could be done cheaply and faster, which means more chili treats for you in the summer since the machines will be far less likely to be broken. And it mostly impacts franchise owners who a lot of the time are not huge corporate fat cats. They are people who have a lot of their monthly revenue being paid to the huge corporate fat cats,

but actually are just in the restaurant business, which can be a very challenging business. So this decision is a blow to Taylor, the manufacturer of these machines, which has historically made a large part of its income from repair calls and has fought third-party attempts to repair its purposely finicky machines. That's a big part of the rabbit hole, is that it does appear as though the machines are

intentionally obtuse and difficult to deal with. Sick. Yeah. Freaking love it. Very good. Yeah, there's lots of good videos. People in the chat are recommending Matt Pat's video on it, the whole ice cream machine fiasco. I've seen other good ones, I wish I could remember right now, but there's definitely really

good ones. You know, this is weird aside, but I was talking to my brother, my brother's a firefighter, and they cook, it's like a culture thing, they cook all their own meals. So the kitchen in the fire hall is like, really important. The people that are on probation have to make muffins all the time and all this kind of stuff. And you're expected to actually be able to cook pretty well because it's going to cycle around who's cooking and you're cooking all the meals for all the firefighters that are on shift that day, right? And it rotates who does it. So you're actually expected to know what you're doing and be pretty good. He was practicing at home. They have special ovens that will turn off when they get fire calls. Oh, that's super cool. It's like kind of sick actually. So clearly...

They have this other problem where the control panel or something is where all the steam comes out so the control panel like fries itself constantly but then they like have to use that one oven because it turns itself off when the so it's like anyways there's a lot of good comments about this clapped for 24 accord clapped k 24 accord okay it doesn't matter the point is they said fast food equipment in general is ridiculous to repair way too expensive apparently it's $3,500 to replace a control unit in a Tim Hortons oven this is all this is all hearsay and then nipple is cage says I work maintenance for corporate 7-eleven and the maintenance game is bullshit

Flipping chapter ever just any any time someone says their name Wiz tick says I'm high as fuck. I love flow playing you guys are awesome Maybe a little unrelated same here related. Same here. You're on shift! Oh no! This is actually a perfect segue. So, you know, having a little bit of healthy skepticism when you read something on the internet. I should have had more skepticism last week. We've got an update on the Congo attack ad. So remember that thing last week where the teacher supposedly was blaming me for resource mining or whatever else? Yeah, we have since learned via a post from a second student that was in the same class that that was a mock-up example in a media literacy assignment where students were expected to make similar pretend attack

ads. The teacher describes himself as a big LTT fan, which is how he became aware that his attack ad had escaped his classroom, which was the only place it was intended to be seen. We have gotten in contact with the teacher in question and asked them, Hey, do you want an opportunity to tell your side of the story? And he graciously agreed to send us a pre-recorded video statement. Let's go ahead and play it. Which is so cool. Hey, LTT crew.

I was asked to create this video to respond to the Reddit post. So here I am. So I'm going to go ahead and read the statement that I wrote. A student recently took a photo of a lesson component out of context and posted it online, where it was shared widely. The isolated image misrepresented the intent and content of the lesson, leading to a false and hurtful

characterization of my views. The lesson was based on a poem by Derek Walcott's poem Elsewhere, and focused on highlighting atrocities happening around the world. Then students were asked to create political attack ads, bringing awareness to said atrocities. To illustrate these concepts, I created an example ad, which the student then posted online. It's crucial to understand that this example was for illustrative purposes only, did not reflect my personal views.

Linus himself is really good at encouraging people to buy used and refurbished electronics and isn't anywhere close to problematic in my eyes. He's the note-9 goat. While the online post was anonymous, it has caused some significant distress for me. It's disheartening to see my work misconstrued and used to create a misleading narrative, especially since I'm a big LTT fan, and watch the channel all the time, which is how I found out about this to begin with. So to put this whole thing to bed, I don't think YNAS is solely responsible for what

happened in the Congo. It was just an example. That's all. Signing out. What an absolute Chad. It was just an example. That's all signing out What an absolute Chad, okay the version that he recorded is a little different from the written version that I read Did it not have the note 9 code in it? Yeah, he added some flavor Honestly, I think like and he added the bit at the end about how I'm not solely responsible for it. Which I also thought was pretty funny.

I think it's a cool, engaging project to do. I don't know. It seems like he's probably a fantastic teacher. Yeah, Ninja Man Away says, send that man some merch. Yeah, I think we need to get him a package. I think we need to get him a care package. Dan, do you mind noting that down as something to flag that for Mr. AP, speaking of people who are goaded, our customer care lead over at Creator Warehouse. Let's get something over to him because we clearly need to make up for all the damage that we've done to the Congo. Honestly, in a way, it's a super success of the project,

because it showed the efficacy of this type of stuff. Absolutely. So his lesson plan just worked way too well. Yep, and yet he demonstrated how powerful outrage culture can be, and how much reach something can have when it elicits such an emotional response in the viewer. Yeah. Yeah, great job Great job. I'd love to send him something like super cool Like maybe we could get him we have a handful of photo samples of the new backpack Oh, I don't know. I don't know if they're gonna let me have any of those but but we'll put something together

Yeah, the commuter bag. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like are you leaking something here? No, no, no Okay, I don't know. We'll figure something out. We'll figure something out Okay, we'll figure something out but it'd be cool to get him something like like one of one or something That's like, you know early or something something cool. I just think it's cool. Cuz like I mean, I should all be used stuff I had lots stuff. We didn't need any more. I just think it's cool, cause like, I mean, I had- Maybe we should all be used stuff. I had lot- Stuff we didn't need anymore. I had- Hey, I don't wanna hurt anymore kids in the conga.

Yeah, that could be kinda cool. Maybe I had still been carrying the Note 9 even though I'm reviewing the iPhone. Is this type of thing what we could use the remaining Lambo beanies for? Ah, no. No? We have a plan for them. Okay, okay, cool. Yeah.

It's not a great plan. I think it's cool, I don't know. I had such a, and I think everybody does, I had such a range of teachers when I was going to school. I had the teacher that would literally just sit there with the textbook and read it, or they would put scans of the textbook on the thing and just tell you to read it when you have the textbook like it's just they might not

it might as well not even be there yeah there's there's no point in going to the class we had one that literally wasn't there a lot of the time he would go to the cafeteria if you had the block before lunch he would assign everyone silent reading this is in like grade 8 when you don't need to do silent reading in class no he would assign everyone to like read and he would disappear for like 20 minutes at a time out of a 50 minute block. And he'd go to the cafeteria and like sample food ahead of time. Cause he was like buddies with the people in the cafeteria. I was like, this is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. But then you have great teachers like, like this guy seems to be that'll

like go to their way to create cool projects and engaging ways to like actually learn. Because at least for me, when I was going to school, if it was just bookwork, like, chance that's getting done is not super high. But if it was like some weird engaging different, not necessarily expected project way to engage with the learning in a different way, stuff like that, man, I would be all over that. So I don't know. Jared Sautner This seems like a very creative assignment and I'm really glad that he was kind enough to put himself out there and come talk about, you know,

how he actually felt like about that. You know, honestly, I think we probably haven't talked enough about how important it is to articulate the damage that this kind of cyber bullying can cause. I think you did a great job of just talking about like how it made him felt and what the impact was. You can tell this is someone that has a lot of experience dealing with like a**holes, which let's be honest, a lot of high schoolers are.

High school teacher. Explaining in the simplest possible terms why why doing a bad thing is bad. Yeah, it was well written, well read as well. Yeah, did a great job. Yeah. All right, what else do we got this week? Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? Instagram head.

Yeah, just so I don't run out the rest of your topics. Instagram head confirms they lower the quality of unpopular clips. In a recent video AMA, head of Instagram Adam Mosseri stated that the platform demotes unpopular clips to a lower level of video quality. However, this will reverse if the video gains traction again. Mosseri claims that it is only a small bump in quality, doesn't make competing harder for smaller creators. Okay.

That makes sense. How would they know? I don't know. It really difficult thing to measure. Everyone would start as a small creator. So theoretically it's a level playing field, I guess. Fair enough. Well, no, but you know, also kind of.

It's a free platform guys. And at the end of the day, content is king. A difference in video quality on a platform like Instagram where quite frankly the video looks like but anyway No one cares Our version Lee I wish they did float plane would do better if they did yeah They don't it is what it is our discussion question is would you do the same if you were in their position? Yeah, probably all right see you later. What else we got for today? It's a free like Dan won't be telling us. What I would especially do is really old clips that haven't been accessed in a long time. Oh, that's definitely a thing.

Yeah. Like you go back like way far back on like your Facebook timeline or whatever you like try to like open a photo it like takes a second. Oh, but that's not necessarily grabbing off a hard drive. Yeah, but that's not necessarily- You can tell it's grabbing off a hard drive. Yeah, but that's not necessarily the quality level of it. Oh, this is just bandwidth conservation. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Well, it's also probably affected by storage too,

because anything higher quality or more viral, is they're gonna be cashing it way nearer to you. It's not more expensive storage. Yeah. And yeah, yeah, yeah, that too. At the end of the day, architecting this stuff at the scale that they operate at is extremely complicated. Yeah, and little changes like this,

which I actually believe, Adam Mosseri, it probably doesn't really make much of a difference to almost anybody, but who it is gonna make a pretty big difference to is probably them when it comes to their bills. Like on the scale that Instagram is doing, this will probably save them tons, but it will unlikely to make any real difference

to users or creators. Scrappy DP asks, do old float plane clips lose quality? The answer is no. Float plane is not growing at, or even targeting growing at the kind of exponential rate that your kind of your VC funded businesses slash sort of close big tech businesses are expecting and so even though storage costs are only falling a little bit these days

compared to how they used to our our storage costs and our storage needs are kind of doing okay. So we can maintain everything the way that it was. We do derank, like we have like ranks of storage, but not of quality effectively. So like if something's not accessed for a long time, it's gonna fall back to hard drives. If something starts getting feverishly accessed

like a Floatplane exclusive LTT thing or something like that, that'll sit in higher tier storage so it can be pulled easier. Is what it is. Want to play some AI Minecraft? Yes. AI company, Descartes, has publicly released... It sounded like a duck call. call yeah I don't know my throat was weird has publicly released oasis which is a playable AI model trained on Minecraft currently you can only play for a few minutes at most and it's only playable on Chrome the results are description trippy okay you do you want to play or should I play or like oh I'm gonna need a mouse probably. I mean, it's mine Yeah, yeah, give me a sec. I got one. Yeah, okay You play that

Do they call it? Oh It's trained on minecraft. Is this a metal board that Sammy had for the stupid? Wax me in the shin, please don't get blood on this set Whacked me in the shin. Please don't get blood on this it Dude my head bled from the shoot. I did yesterday with David. I stood up and I hit my head on his borg computer. Oh Those are words that'll make sense once you watch the video. Yeah, okay Zoo kaku says borg computer not b Bork. Not Bork. Borg computer. Good good good. Dude we did we did a bit of a different

Extreme upgrade or ultimate upgrade or you know whichever branding we're using for it right now David paid for everything So instead of having a sponsor for it. It's just oh, yeah. No, I like this idea I think just a video we were talking about doing this at some point. Yeah, it's just a video We're just like David's doing an upgrade any excuse me anyway, and we make a video about it It's so get some labor the quid pro quo was a that I and Reese Would like help him with it for the day Reese not Elijah Maybe I'll go down this route. Yeah, you might not end up with too many extra Yeah, so recent I were there for the day helping with things

so like I built his SOs computer and you know helped with the mounting of his custom painted USS Enterprise and stuff like that. And also that we did that video promoting him selling his collection, which was actually, which got an extra exposure, which helped his budget. So it was like, and then in return, you know, he's giving us his space and, you know, his upgrade, and he probably spent some money on things that he probably wouldn't have to make it a little more interesting. Anyway.

Dude, I should con you into painting my place. The space ends up super cool. I did no painting, which was nice. Oh. And I hit my head. Oh. I forget where I was going with this, but in fairness to me, I recently hit my head.

So anyway, Oasis. Okay, so it's muted. You are about to enter a first of its kind video model. Is there sound? A game engine trained by millions of gameplay hours. Every step you take will shape the environment around you in real time. So are they gonna get sued to all crap? Hold on, I'm on it. Mute which one? There's a volume thing in the top left of Oasis.

What are you talking about Willis? Yeah, mute that. Okay, cool. So that is only coming from that then. Okay, so we're good. So VMAX C, unmute. Here we go boys. This... Okay, what do you want? What do you all want to see? Maybe we go for rugged coastline and just go BC. Okay.

rugged coastline just go BC okay a sheer drop from towering peaks crumbling into the ocean below trees balance over the water and waves crash over rocks ready for adventure waiting for your turn written by AI oh waiting for your turn dang it did all of y'all jump on here. Oh Hold on hold on positioning cue 29 ETA 12 seconds. Oh, okay. We got this Does the positioning cute go Yeah, there it is nice nice. It's your turn Do it Okay it okay so you press button like can you select the different items that you have I mean I don't know I'm just doing stuff here uh did it did it did it did it did

it do is it super laggy oh it's definitely a little laggy. Yeah What yeah, what happens if you limit your frame of view and then look up? Hold on I'm doing this thing here. Oh Okay, I don't think you are okay, so I look up oh no, I meant like out in the world like did it change Yeah Yeah Trays interesting. I don't think it's able to Oh no, I meant like out in the world, like did it change? Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Tray's interesting. I don't think it's able to... Yeah, so like, yeah, stare away. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do Oh! What the heck? Is that thing moving? This is like your Minecraft game...

On acid. Dropped a tat. Yeah. Yeah. Uh... Huh. Okay, what's gonna be over this way? Honestly, it makes the exploration kind of fun.

Can I... Can I build a path for myself? Like is that possible? Can I... Is that how this works? Is that how any of this works is that how any of this works okay yeah I can maybe with this starfield wouldn't have been a useless pile of junk no oh okay what's up there what's up there I want to I want

to get that I want to see what's supposed to be there. Are you kidding me? Whoa, it's a structure. Whoa, whoa, am I? Whoa. Is that a village? Whoa, dude, I kept going up to like, but I made my way away from the mountain that was, I was on. There's still like, whoa!

Like, did you see what happened there? Whoa, as you just turned, everything's changing. Yes, I did. I was climbing a mountain and looking up and it became just like whatever was in front of me This is some inception kind of stuff dude Village gone! This is crazy! Who needs drugs?

When you can just play this game Well wait until I have this kind of stuff for VR Wow, okay I think I've had enough I think you're kinda. So, um, this is just a glimpse into the future of interactive AI experiences. What's next? Just imagine. As far as my understanding goes, they have it. They have some of it running on ASIC cards. Yeah.

The playable model was made possible by super fast Inference thanks to an ASIC card with the models transformer architecture physically recreated on the chip by Deckart partner etched How this question questions are what do you think of the game? Well, I mean it's obviously just discussion questions are, what do you think of the game? Well, I mean, it's obviously just Minecraft because it's trained on Minecraft. How close is it to actual Minecraft, it asks. I mean, in terms of like how it felt to play other than being super leggy, it like felt like Minecraft. Felt like Minecraft. Honestly, yeah, like the movement and everything. Does it take much to get you there? Maybe not, maybe not that much. Jump, attack is a hold button. Yep, yeah.

I didn't try to run. I guess I could have tried to do more things. Our next question though is, how good is its object permanence? And there I would say, things fall apart a little bit. That's the whole reason why the demo is fun. Yeah.

Yeah, how bad it is, is sort of the most interesting thing about it. With that said... It's also kind of crazy. The fact that this exists at all, with no game engine, with no... Because it's bad because it's not very playable, but it's also amazing because it exists. Yeah, the fact that this is a thing at all is mind blowing. With that said, it is very clear that we are an awful long way away

from our GPUs just being neural processing units and this being a gaming experience that anyone would want. I give it six months. Would be kinda cool if that ended up being an add-in card though. I'd be down to go back to multiple add-in cards. That'd be sick.

Get your physics card in there. Get your sound card in there. Get your neural card in there. Well, if Nvidia has their way, the GPU will eventually morph into a neural PU. And then it'll just have a GPU component on it because you'll always like need to output And you'll always need to play legacy games and stuff like that, but Pretty cool Lucky Falcor says it's like the impossible staircase illusion with that mountain. Yeah, that was that was

It's like the impossible staircase illusion with that mountain. Yeah, that was that was Trippy because I was trying to look up the mountain and I made my way to like a landscape in front of me somehow I was like, okay. I mean, yeah, I guess and I guess there is no up in video games if you think about it So why would it? Right, cuz you could move a mouse up infinitely Theoretically, right? Like there's no gravity in a video game theoretically, right? Like, there's no gravity in a video game. Like, it's all artificial. Yeah. Like, we create up and we create down. But this AI model is not constrained by that. What's up in real life?

Exactly. Exactly. It's away from the center of the Earth. But because... But what if you're not on the Earth anymore? Where's up now? No, I just... What? No, I'm trying to make a point right now. So up in the video game is away from the center of your thing. Um... Sorry, what? Center of the game world.

Yeah, but it stopped having a center. Yeah. Yeah. So like, so theoretically this AI model is not constrained by that. You could just keep going up. You could have more than 360 degrees Like it's just I'm just screwing with them on his panted. It's like Xbox Yeah, very cool, I'm more of a damn guy

I'm a down enjoyer like naturally sourced or artificial. You know what you might enjoy is using a convenient app that is readily available to track world leaders. Ah, yeah. According to journalists at French newspaper Le Monde, it is apparently possible to track the location of President Emmanuel Macron by identifying his bodyguards, many of whom have public accounts under their legal names, on Strava, a fitness app with social networking elements. This means that they have been publicly posting their running routes, including geo data. Which means, where are they? Where is the president? Mmm, yes, problem. It is also apparently possible to do the same with other world leaders, including the US

president and both presidential candidates. This is not a new problem. In 2023, a Russian submarine commander was killed while jogging. The commander had a Strava account under his own name Which his assailant may have used to track his regular route. Yes, so this one wasn't bodyguards. It was the actual guy Andre B says wasn't there something about soldiers identifying secret bases the same way Yes, I believe that did happen with a with a secret US military installation of some kind There's a lot of these types of problems. There's even more subtle ones that I don't

think people really properly consider. Because like when the 2023 thing happened with the Russian submarine commander, I think that brought to light to a bunch of people like, oh, maybe I should consider this. One that I point out fairly often when I meet parents of kids and those the kid likes playing Pokemon Go and the parent is just like you know being supportive but doesn't really understand what's going on is I like to point out that when you give gifts in the game the gifts come with a postcard of where the gift came from and you get gifts in the game. The gifts come with a postcard of where the gift came from and you get gifts in the game by spinning stops but you are most likely to spin the stop that is closest to your house most often. So people can figure out

where you live based on being friends with you on Pokemon Go. Yeah I don't know. CH5609 says, this is like people figuring out that deep s*** was going down because of a higher number of pizza orders to the Pizza Hut slash Domino's near the Pentagon. That's a long term thing. They are actually like trackers for that and stuff because it's like a reliable metric that doesn't seem to be becoming less reliable. Yeah. Nice. Washington Pizza Index.

Yeah, exactly. The pizza index. Yeah, this is like totally a thing. YouTube users have been reporting missing view counts and upload dates. There's a Reddit post from four months ago. Some users recently though found that there were no longer view counts or upload dates on YouTube's homepage. This led to reporting that YouTube might be performing another experiment.

YouTube however has responded and says this is actually a bug that is typically experienced by users with certain browser extensions enabled. The company suggests disabling these extensions and making a report if the issue continues. So our discussion question here, this just came up because someone flagged it for me recently. Do you think this is a YouTube experiment or another attack on Adblock? Would you find that it would degrade the experience of YouTube for you if you didn't know the upload date and how many views a video had?

Yes. I'm going to play Devil's Advocate. Although I understand why you wouldn't want that, because it could potentially really help small creators. I'm gonna... Why I wouldn't want what? Why you wouldn't want it to show view counts. Why I wouldn't want it to? Yeah, because if you're a really small creator,

you don't want people to not click on your video just because it has 200 views. Yeah. No, no, that would be... Because if you're a really small creator, you don't want people to not click on your video just because it has 200 views. Yeah, no, no, that would be, I could see how that level, how that could level the playing field in a big way. Yeah. Yeah. Upload date, I could see being a superman. What would I not want though?

Huh? Oh, I thought you said I wouldn't want it. What would I not want? I was just trying to figure that out. I don't remember the exact reference of the moment of when I said that. Oh, okay. I object to trying to figure that out. I don't remember the exact reference Oh. of the moment of when I said that. Oh okay. I object to this mostly as a user. I'm not really thinking about it as a creator. However, I'm gonna play devil's advocate against my own argument and I'm going to kind of share an observation

that has materialized for me over a while. It's bothered me a lot for years that Netflix doesn't show the popularity of things, like not in a universal way. They'll have like popular for people like you, you know, they'll have stuff like that. They don't show things like critical acclaim or like a Rotten Tomatoes rating or anything like that. Basically they just merchandise the movie or TV show or whatever it is with photos and descriptions and kind of present it to you and algorithmically track what kind of what works for you and what you like and what you don't. And they kind of, they make that whole thing work, right? And one of the things that I've observed is that my family watches almost nothing on Plex and gravitates towards Netflix far more than Plex,

even though the library on Plex is actually much larger. And I realized for myself that when I go to try to find something to watch on Plex, it's really hard. And one of the reasons that I kind of had kind of a light bulb moment. One of the reasons is the data. Having the data of how good something is makes it so much harder to find something that you know what I might actually end up enjoying even if it's not good. I will almost universally enjoy something that has super high critical acclaim and also audiences love it. Like The Wild Robot is outstanding, just go watch it. Don't question it, just go watch it. It's just a great film. But there are times when I will enjoy something that is not critically acclaimed. For example, Major Pain got a 29% rating on

the tomato meter from critics and even 68% like if you know the film you'll know that 68% for a film of this genre is actually pretty good. It's a pretty polarizing film. And I was thinking about how if I saw something that was rated 29% by critics and 68% by audiences in myplex, I probably wouldn't bother watching it. And so I guess where I'm coming back to in all of this is maybe the metadata that they give us coming back even to like dislike ratio. Crazy that some things have a relationship when it comes to audience score. Yeah I mean I think the critics are probably right on that one but and maybe part of it is

that you watched hackers when you were young yeah and I watched it as an adult and I watched major pain when I was young. Yeah. And I watched it as an adult, and I watched Major Pain when I was young. I also think I'm more into the subject matter. Have you seen Major Pain? Yes. Oh, okay. And you thought it was like dumb or bad? No, I thought it was funny.

Oh, okay. Oh. Um, so, so the problem with like dislike, when YouTube removed that, was that there's a lot of content where it's really important to be able to see that kind of rating because they don't have a community note system. They don't have anything equivalent. If a guide for how to repair your dishwasher is like not very good or if you know a moon landing conspiracy video is a conspiracy video and is like something irrelevant that we shouldn't be watching They don't really have an equivalent for that and and so the like dislike ratio was at least a useful barometer of potential usefulness or quality

But view counts upload dates upload date might be upload date depending on what you're looking for If what YouTube seeks to be is just an entertainment platform where people watch as much as possible YouTube seeks to be, it's just an entertainment platform where people watch as much as possible. Could they? Why do they seem to be killing evergreen content if they're gonna get rid of upload dates though? I don't know that they're killing evergreen content. It doesn't seem to be doing as well.

We could probably have a much longer conversation about that. I think some of our evergreen content is struggling a little bit. We upload a lot. We are tech centric, which can make even our- So something becomes less relevant. Yeah, even our evergreen content I think is less evergreen than say, well, I was gonna say comedy but comedy can come sometimes it ages like fine milk but depending on the content some things

are more evergreen than others. The guide for how to repair this dishwasher model is evergreen because that dishwasher model will always be that dishwasher model. Well, unless people have it. This is true. This is true. Unless it's a really important one and people would restore them. Maybe it's the firehouse one. Sure. Sure.

And people always need to fix it. Anyway, the point is that maybe they could expand people's horizons, which could be a benefit even if it comes with some trade-offs, and they could improve their own internal metrics, which are increasing watch time, by actually giving us far less measurable, like, um, empirical data about a piece of content. Thoughts? I might enjoy my Plex library more. What I'm trying to say is I might enjoy my Plex library more. What I'm trying to say is I might enjoy my Plex library more if I didn't know how good something was. I think there's too many things that I watch on YouTube that the like think about WAN show and show VODs you're watching a WAN show

that's two years old it is out of date sort of we have a lot of conversations that are useful you know for the history of tech and that are not on topic yeah history of tech though sure so what if what if we have a WAN show and the title is like, Google killed a company again? Oh! And then you're like, oh, what did they kill this time? And then you're like, wait, how long does it take you to figure out that this happened years ago

and they're not talking about the 87 things that they've killed in between then and now? Like, I don't know. It leaves you to like, you have to sit there and watch the video to figure out if this is Actually a video that you want to watch or not instead of being able to just look at the date and be like, okay Got it, which is good for the platform or it gets people to just leave the platform entirely because it's annoying. I Came across this video in my shorts feet actually speaking of this

Kyle it was Kyle from Bitwit. And the reason I noticed it in my short speed was because the thumbnail had this frame of me in it. And I was like, sorry, when was Kyle from Bitwit talking about me? And I clicked on it and I realized like how obfuscated things are now. So okay we've got likes there's no view count so this is already

like happening this is already the the direction the interface is going I can't see how many subscribers Kyle has in fact what drove me... Oh, this is interesting. Oh, weird. This has the channel name, but the... Oh my gosh, I swear. I swear the screenshot that I sent to our rep earlier today did not. Oh, so trippy. Okay, so when I navigate it to this not from his channel Kyle Luke can confirm. Yeah confirmed. There's no you're talking. There's no channel name. No subscribe button There's no way for me to get information about who he even is Which sort of flies in the face of YouTube's claims that the short speed can be like a funnel for your for your vodka Opposite of that. Yeah, it was like I was like, what the heck is

this? I have no way of I have no way of finding this. Anyway, my point is, I think it would be a terrible thing for YouTube because of the vastly different way that people use YouTube compared to a movie library. But in general, maybe less data could be a good thing. That's all I'm trying to say. And I guess my question was, would degrading the experience in this way make you less likely to use an ad blocker if this was one of the levers that they decided to pull? If you're an ad blocker,

they just like remove other elements of the page. Yeah, probably. Would that harm your use of the platform? I think for a pretty considerable amount of YouTube viewing that I do, it would do that. Yeah. Yeah. Corey, as the name says, I find myself judging fictional books intensely if I see their rating prior to reading.

I think about that rating throughout the process of reading the book and I end up losing some of my focus on the content itself. Yeah. A date isn't a rating though. Like I understand what you're saying with the like to dislike side of things, but a date is not a rating. A date is a, I don't know,

sometimes a very old video can communicate that it could be a very quality thing. And sometimes a very new video is kind of a requirement. If you're trying to keep up to date on what's happening in US politics, and you look up something to do with Trump, for example, and running for election. Yeah, it could easily be the 2016 or the 2020 election.

Yeah, like it sounds super annoying to be completely honest. Like there's certain things that are just timely. What if you wanted to find something from the 2016 election? What if they used AI to determine whether a video really needs the data on it or not? Buh! Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.

NASFreak says YouTube has confirmed it's not testing removing it. It was a side effect. I know, it just prompted a conversation, that's all. I just wanted to talk about it a little bit. It's a side effect of certain add-ons or something? Side effect of your face. Oh!

Yeah, extensions. We said that earlier, but they might be tuning in a little later. Did they say what kind of extensions? No. Okay. Who knows what kind? Dan, I think that's it for the topics

on the WAN Show this week. Do you wanna switch us over to After Dark? Okay, I can do that, absolutely. that's it for the topics on the WAN Show this week. Do you want to switch us over to After Dark? Okay, I can do that, absolutely. Let's do it. Wow, there's so many of you watching today. A date is context. Yeah, like, I don't know. I think the date matters. I get it. No, to be clear, I want the date. But like, would I be more likely to watch It's a Wonderful World if I didn't know that it was like old maybe see I think

it could add value though or like Tootsie you know cuz like the fact that whatever just like it's some old movie the fact that we both know the name it's a wonderful world means it's a wonderful life sorry I think isn't that my dad oh it's just a turn of phrase no no that's the water wonderful world that's the song okay sure basically I don't know either of them is what we're coming to on conclusion, but I know the phrase. So if I saw that and I saw the date, I'm like,

oh, I know this name. It's super old. That probably means it was amazing. So I'm gonna check this out. But it could go either way. Like if you hear someone in modern times say, hey, Schindler's List is like an amazing movie. Yeah.

Like, okay. And then you see that it's old. It might go like, oh, it was amazing enough for them to still care about it despite it not being a new release. Maybe I'll watch that. I don't know. Different people. It could communicate value.

Different people have different perspectives. Like Yvonne, for example, doesn't like watching old media. She just finds especially the audio quality when you go back a certain amount is like not good enough for her to enjoy. Like their sound recording techniques, if you go back to like the 70s, early 80s, were not as good. And it's not as clean as it is now doesn't bother me I think it adds some charm but I can understand having a different perspective on that Dan do you want to hit us with some rich messages? Yeah, sure Hi LDL recently my desktop YouTube page has reduced the amount of thumbnails to three per row Leaving me with six videos on full screen forcing me to scroll more. Do you have any thoughts on this trend?

I've seen some people complaining about this. I personally am a huge proponent of higher density. I mean, but maybe part of that is a generational gap thing. Like when I was a kid, screens were small and resolution was low. And every upgrade was so that you could fit more stuff on the screen and so the screen would be bigger so you could fit more stuff on the screen and so the screen would be bigger so you could see more at a time.

A very interesting rabbit hole to go down is North American versus Japanese web design. Oh man. They're like violently opposite. It's crazy. But they are successful in their areas. It's not just that like, you know, Japanese web designers just feel like doing it some other way. It's not just that Japanese web designers just feel like doing it some other way. No, it works.

They just don't give a sh**. No, it works better with Japanese audiences. And then when you try to put American web design in front of Japanese audiences, they don't like it as much, they don't engage with it as much. I don't remember all the details. Then when you put Japanese web design styles

in front of American audiences, they're like. You get a reaction like this. Del Main in Float Plane Chat says, I legitimately cannot stand Japanese web design. It's insane to me. Yeah. Yeah. But they work really well within their cultures. It's very interesting. It's actually genuinely very interesting rabbit hole. Part of my feelings about it could also be a generational gap. Oh, wait, did I already say that part? Well, okay, I have another supporting piece of this. Cause Yvonne was talking to some other people internally here, like younger people, Gen Z people. And she was talking about booking a trip and they were like,

oh, well, you know, whatever. And Yvonne's like, oh, well, yeah, I can't look at that right now. I'm not at my computer. And they go, well, what, you don't just book flights on your phone? She's like, no, who would do that? And they're like, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

It is inferior, Yvonne is correct. It is vastly inferior. Yvonne is 100 percent correct. But apparently that's a big generational gap thing. Is that millennials will. The new generation is wrong. Go to the computer to do certain things. And booking travel is one of them.

Whereas Gen Z's will absolutely just use their phone to do stuff like that, even though they obviously cannot do a good enough job of it and comparison shopping and without using spreadsheets and, but that is very much an R generation thing. To even think of like this, we're wrong about a lot of things. We're correct about that. Big screen, big purchase. To even think about using the desktop, going to use the computer, you know?

But yeah, 100%. The bigger the purchase, the better the chance that I wanna use a big screen to do it. Yeah, for sure. It's the same accounts, but it feels weird having money go through my phone. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm on the Amazon app on my phone, but money has to go through it. No, even just like buying a little thing.

No, I don't mind that. If I just like need something right now... Arties based. What did Artie say? As a Zoomer, I agree with PC being superior for big purchases. And like there's certain things where I'll use both depending on the context. So if I'm just like browsing houses for the lulls, like I'm looking at the most expensive houses

for sale in Vancouver right now. I'll do that on my phone, I don't care. I'm just like doom scrolling like nonsense. I'm looking at people's fancy houses. If I am shopping, dude. Research phone. Are you kidding me? Sometimes I'll go look over at North Van

and just slide that willing to pay scale up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just be like, you know, if I just had a helicopter, I could just fly into work. That I don't mind doing on my phone. I'd be sick. Yeah, exactly. But like if I'm actually shopping,

no, I gotta be on my computer, man. I gotta be on my computer. I'm a gamer slash gardener and just got an OLED TV LG C3 and want to get an QD OLED monitor but I'm worried about the purple hue. I have grow lights on 16 hours a day and never use my computer in the dark. It's very unlikely to bother you. I mean the first example I have of this is my old Aperture Grill CRT. It had these two little lines across the

screen for the alignment wires. And I read reviews and people were like, oh yeah, it's annoying, it's this. And then other people were like, oh no, yeah, you forget about it. And I got it. I brought it home, I unpacked it, and I was like, oh, they're really annoying. They bother me so much. They're visible, especially on white backgrounds, which you know going back to the early 2000s mid 2000s but was basically every web page right like everything was there was no dark mode and I was on the brink of returning it and paying it like a 15% restocking fee at NCIX or whatever it was I think it was 15% right? Something like that.

I think so, that sounds correct. And then I gave it a little bit longer and then I forgot they were there. And the purple hue is kind of like that. Yeah, you'll notice it. It'll be super noticeable when you know about it. And then you'll be playing a game and it'll be like half an hour later and you'll be like,

oh, I haven't thought about the purple hue in a while. I wouldn't stress about it too much. I remembered something about the Japanese versus American website design thing. It had something to do with like obfuscation of information and desire for comfort versus knowledge and the Japanese web design leans more towards information overload and the American web design leans more towards comfort and you know, you're just going to trust that this is going to be legit.

Whatever. Interesting. I don't remember all the details. It's actually like a fairly deep topic if you guys are interested, but that was, I remember that being sort of one of the, one of the concepts. By the way, enjoy your grow lights and maybe try that weird AI Minecraft thing. That dude, can't even imagine. G'day boys from Down Under. I'm planning to build a new PC and pretty sold on the 9000X3D series. Do you think the 9800X3D is going to be the best bet? Should I hold out for something better?

How are you pretty sold on that already? No comment. What's going on? to be the best bet. Should I hold out for something better? How are you pretty sold on that already? No comment. What's going on? We know too much to answer this question. You shouldn't be sold on something before independent reviews are out. I would encourage you to watch ours. I would also encourage you to watch others or read others. Neat. Yeah. you to watch others or read others. Neat. Yeah. Linus, when you were on the yard, how close were you to walking out when they did their DJ intro? I mean I was I was warned by Luke what those guys were like. It wasn't my first time. Like we were there. We did the Bro Vs. Bro first, so I encountered Ludwig by that point.

Wait, did we do the Bro Vs Bro first? Yeah, I think so. No, I don't remember. No, we did Bro Vs Bro after. Really? Yeah, no, okay, well, nevermind. Anyway, I knew who Ludwig was. And so I was surprised, but not shocked.

I was... It was unexpected, but not shocked. I was, I was, it was unexpected but not surprising. I don't know how to phrase it but yeah, no, they did their their intro. I think to go back and do the art again, I would probably lean more into their bullshit rather than like kind of be the skeptical, you know, outsider. But maybe that's sort of part of the the deal of, you know of having a guest on a show like that. Maybe everyone kind of goes through that a little bit. I wouldn't know. I don't watch the show. I had a couple of people that were very mad about me not knowing who anybody was and not listening to the podcast or watching the show or whatever else, because I don't know, it made me

seem arrogant or something. But I was just trying to be honest. I'm so sorry. because I don't know, it made me seem arrogant or something. But I was just trying to be honest, like I'm so sorry, I actually don't know any of your names because we all introduced ourselves like three minutes ago before I walked in here. And then I sat at the top of that slide for all of that time while you guys were DJ racist or whatever. And so I just was like yeah no I'm sorry the only

one of you who I know is Ludwig and that just kind of is what it is and I'm sorry but some people you know took that really negatively but yeah I mean you know how things are. This is actually one of my that's this is one of my favorite sort of yardsticks for you know how how marketable my face is is how content performs when I'm on someone else's channel because how our videos perform is like this is your house yeah this yeah exactly exactly like how how how how marketable of a name is is LTT So I'm gonna do this live

But I'm gonna go and have a look at like how you don't look at anything from like a day ago like a week or two ago You know, how'd I do so geo rain bold? Pretty pretty appealing guest. so that that's pretty cool Let's see who are some other folks a hive mind TV was apparently a pretty good one because I don't really like I don't watch YouTube so this is one of the ways that I'll I'll figure out like okay Who's like a big deal like the C dog VA guy seems to be kind of a big deal. So that's that's pretty cool Rainbow is is pretty based. Yeah. Yeah. There you go

Here's one with just the crew and okay five hundred thousand so that's kind of the high end of if they don't have a guest on What else we got do you already know the answer this oh no, I did pretty good Yeah, 800k. Did you already know the answer to this already know what answer to this to what how well you did? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you already knew the answer this I didn't I haven't looked at it in like I don't know two or three months, okay, but I knew that it was like an above-average. I was wondering how performative this was No, I just haven't looked at it in a while Yeah, so it's uh No, I just haven't looked at it in a while. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, so it's, there's, oh yeah, Hank Green, Hank Green crushed me, but that makes sense.

Hank Green. Yep. Yeah, they had Hank Green on. So it's one of those things, it's like, it helps me kind of figure out, you know, where everyone's stock is at, kind of at whatever time they were on another, on another person's channel, and helps me figure out if I did okay. If anyone cares outside of just our hyper geek sort of bubble that we live in.

There were a couple other... Cutie Cinderella Crushed. I mean that makes sense. Oh yeah, 100% makes sense. She's a great host and she's rather affiliated with that crew. Rather affiliated. Amaranth. Amaranth Crushed.

That makes sense. But yeah, I was actually a little surprised to see how much overlap there was. Like I wasn't expecting their audience and our audience to have a lot of overlap. That's another thing that it gauges. So it's not just like, oh, higher number on someone else's channel automatically, you're like a big deal in mainstream or whatever.

Like, no. But it can tell you how much overlap there is between people who watch that and people who watch. And there's too many variables to draw any concrete conclusions, but it's an indicator. What's an audience that you don't think you would perform well with because of overlap issues? Because I feel like, you know, I went through a few in my head and one that I landed on was like makeup, but then no, I feel like if you would on a makeup channel would probably kill.

I don't think so. I think so because all the dude bros would be like, what? I actually bet you it would do pretty all right. I don't think so, I don't think so. It might do bad for them because their algorithms is gonna be all screwed but I feel like the one episode might do all right. I don't know, this is a tough one.

If you have any kind of public space where it's just like a mixing pot, like the fact that that school had the teacher and two students who knew enough to go find this on the subreddit and like knew who we were and like all that stuff, that's like pretty, that's pretty solid. But that's just mixing pot, right? Whereas like an actual space where people are selectively there because they have an interest. Like I would think, I would think if you, if there was a ceramics studio that had a channel,

like, and I went on there, there'd be like, there'd be nothing. I think I might do okay. No, no one would care. I don't think the, uh, I think you do enough weird random off the wall stuff on this channel that something like ceramics would do fine. But it's, it's that audience would- I think if it was like a math education channel. Oh no, that would be super high overlap. You think?

People who are into math education and people who are into technology get real. Yeah, fair enough. They did well on Veritasium. It's mostly like, pretty crazy stuff. Yeah. No, I wasn't thinking like that though. I was thinking about a number file.

I was thinking about a three brown one blue. Oh, three brown one? Or three brown one blue? Three brown one blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, thinking like that though. I was like like a three three brown one three brown one or one three One three brown one blue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah something like that too to be clear blue one brown I don't know whatever to be clear Veritasium. I Completely ignored that one though and the reason for that no I shouldn't say I ignored it I watched the video and like Derek and his team did a great job and everything Yeah, but I wasn't gonna read anything into that one because his video performance is like,

like so spiky and... Which seems weird to me because they all seem quite consistently good. You never, I mean... It's so hard sometimes. Even a master of YouTube packaging and and and content creation is not gonna knock it out of the park every single time unless your name is Mark Rober. Even he even he doesn't get the same number of views on

every single video because not everything can appeal to absolutely everybody and that's the way it is. We should work on that. Yeah, I mean we're trying, Dan. Everybody's trying, Dan! You must be more normie? No, no, no, no, I mean you need to find the video that appeals to literally every single person. Sure. But then, I mean that's like not possible, is it? Yeah. Nope.

Okay, up next. Hi, DLL, I'm in my senior year of engineering undergrad. Hey, good to hear. In my opinion, at best 96 of the 128 credits are relevant to my success. How would you pitch higher education to your children and do you have hot takes? Part of the original idea of the credit system and getting people to take credits

that were not in their actual direct courses was to prepare people for being an adult and needing to like communicate with others about things that aren't just their one singular niche. Be well-rounded. They were trying to prep you for like the world. Yeah. I don't think it's as relevant these days. They forced Yvonne.

Stuff like that. They forced Yvonne to take one accounting course as part of her pharmacy degree. Thank goodness! Woo! You never know, I guess is what I would say. There was classes that annoyed me when I was in school that I have absolutely used. Like, yeah, there's even classes that I took back in school that I still would have thought would have been useless two years ago and have since become useful.

Like, I don't know, learning stuff is just good and useful. And part of it is forcing you to learn to learn. Yeah. And push yourself to learn something that you're not inherently interested in and that you might not see the point of, because you never know. Um, understand other perspectives and to be less generally useless. If you are more generally competent, you are less generally useless, which is awesome. There's some new life tips right there.

That's really fantastic. Speaking of higher education, I was reading this interesting article about how college professors are like, we don't really know what to do because they assign reading to students and they just like, don't read. Like they literally arrive in college going, yeah, we've been assigned like excerpts to read but we've never been assigned just like read this book and come back in a couple days when you're done. Students entering Harvard that have never once read a book.

That is flipping wild to me. Yeah. I don't know how to deal with that. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all gotta like read like a bit and stuff. Literally me already. You've never read a book?

I mean, you got a job without it I guess. I've read a book maybe. I mean that's better than... AJ says I've only read eight books my entire life the Harry Potter books plus House of the Scorpion or Sorpian, Sorpian. I don't know what House of the Sorpian is. I read Grapes of Wrath and I really wish I hadn't. I genuinely like think a thousand pages. That you should read and this is even someone who has a hard time with it because I think it's good for your brain to just sit there And have to imagine

No, Artie's trolling. I've read books, but not many in university. What about I? Mean, are we okay with like Harry Potter's and House of the Dragon and all those sort of like Harry Potter's a book My we don't have to be like, you know, they don't have to be proper novels. Kind of thing. Harry Potter's a proper novel. No, but- For young adults. I mentioned Grapes of Wrath, right?

Which is like- A classic. A classic American, mmm, I've read a book, I've read Grapes of Wrath. I don't know. Honestly speaking, I think a lot of what makes something classic is that it came first Like quite frankly the adventures of Tom Sawyer and the adventures of Huckleberry Finn kind of fucking suck

The coming first part matters though in my opinion and like to be clear they don't suck, you know I'm sure they're full of you know rich prose and all those things and stuff But I didn't care like I read them as a kid and I was like, seriously, this this is what qualified as like good kids books those days. My god, nothing happens. You know, so I and so I think that I think that, you know, just because something is more modern, and just because it's full of plot holes and What? And and and like flawed world building, you know talking about Harry Potter here right now That doesn't make it not valid

Okay, what? Just people are quoting me Quoting you? I avoided that one. The coming first part matters. Oh my goodness. Does fan fiction count? Like, I don't know, My Immortal and stuff like that?

It was seriously his name. Yeah, I don't know. I think the literal mental exercise of having to create a world in your brain to try to visualize it instead of just watching video and having that done for you. In the modern day is actually very valuable for flexing your creativity muscles and stuff. I promise you nobody has made any video content that you enjoy watching. I'm talking like films, TV shows. Nobody made those without reading. Like it's an important part of being able to create and not just consume.

I listen to audiobooks all the time. Tree hallucinations. Because I get a lot of benefit from that as well. Yeah, but just listening to it, like, because when you're reading it, you are solely focused on the page. If you're just listening to it while you're cooking dinner and like you're not hallucinating properly. Now, am I being a novel purist? I haven't read in years. So it's not like I can say much. No, I think reading is objectively more based than listening to an audiobook. I just sometimes, you know, if I'm driving, I'm going to listen to an audiobook and I'm still- You don't

just read behind the wheel Hardcover and then you have your phone taped at the top of it for subway Good yeah, you can't you shouldn't read without subway surfers Yeah, you should you should you know and I got podcast one ear Yeah, right good good. Cory is the name says there's something to be said for books that break the mold and redefine entire genres of literature. They may be weak in comparison to modern equivalents, but those equivalents wouldn't exist if not for the OG. And that's fine if you're like a literary historian, but I'm just saying for people who just like

should practice reading so they can flex their reading muscle, I don't necessarily consider that to be the best use of their time. We're not talking about learning literature. Wuthering Heights also fucking sucked. I'm sorry, it sucks. It's not good. I didn't enjoy it. I'm sorry. Again, it's like boring. It moves at a glacial pace and it's like, and it's a high cognitive load to read it because it uses kind of archaic English and it was not enjoyable. I'm sorry. And you're not

going to get anybody. I had, this was, this is a really good, I think I overheard this conversation or no, it was relayed to me by Yvonne. And it came from one of, there's a, there's a kid that Yvonne and I both know who goes to a, like a religious school. And basically you can get some really, you can get some really interesting opinions on what kind of literature is okay to read from people who have their doctrine and their belief system and who are educators and they can kind of end up prescribing a really restrictive diet of literary materials. And I was quite surprised based on what I knew about this particular teacher from context, that what they basically said is the best thing for a kid to read is anything that kid will read. Yeah. Literally anything. I don't care. It can be witchcraft or minecraft or minecraft or did I say minecraft?

What's more minecraft? Yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter. The point is it can be anything. Just make sure that they learn to bloody read. And so, you know, yeah, I think if you, if you, if you go and you give kids like, kids like, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll go, I'll come back to my example. Okay, oh, here's one. I loved The Secret World of Og by Pierre Burton when I was a kid. And I went and I tried to read it to my kids and they just tuned the math out. It was the the language was not just maybe at a bit of a high level for what they were ready for at the time.

So that was part of the problem. But not just that, but it was just, it was, it was written in an older style and, and they weren't engaged with it. And I could have insisted, but what would I have done? I would have just created a negative, a negative reading experience. Why, why are we doing this? I never liked reading at all. You know, I've always had problems with that type of stuff. I was really bad at spelling, all those types of things. My mom was trying to get me into it because it would have

benefited me fairly obviously. And I don't think she had ever read it before, but she picked up The Hobbit. If I had to make a guess, she probably picked up The Hobbit because I liked video games and fantasy games. And she's like, well, I don't know, let's try this. And loved The Hobbit. She read The Hobbit to me and I was super into it. And The Hobbit being so good, not the movies, if you're a young'un who hasn't read, the movies sucked, the book was fantastic. Matthew, movies were just butt. The Hobbit being so good drove me to want to read Lord of the Rings. And that was really hard, not just because of age, but reading ability. But it was, the story was so good that I really enjoyed that. And then I got into the Harry Potter books and then I started expanding beyond there and now reading became like a thing for me. And despite it being hard, I would take like

an entire Saturday and just chill and read. Because I'm like, this is great. I love these worlds that I'm disappearing into. And I wish I had Saturdays like that as an adult. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Fox in a Box suggested SCPs, scary stories on the internet. Does it necessarily have to be a book? Can it be have to be a book? Can it be like fan fiction level stuff? Can it be?

I think it being a book has value because you want someone to- Very long. Yes. I think that has value. I also think there's something to be said for it maintaining a certain bar of quality. Consistent voice. Like Yvonne has this app called Dream with an E at the end. And basically, it's like independent writers. And I think they get a commission from people like buying the next chapter of their stories and stuff like that. So like, it honestly seems like

kind of pretty constructive for like amateur writers. But oh my god. Like, it's just full of like grammatical errors and typos and just like, like you'll just, it's written by people who have never read. So it'll be full of like homonyms that are just like, you read it out loud and the sentence makes sense, but it's just, like, it's just wrong. I think there's something to be said for, I'm not saying that language isn't evolving and shouldn't evolve, it absolutely does and it absolutely should, but, you know, in the same way that you don't get to take artistic license with a painting until you, like, understand fundamentally how to paint. You can't really take artistic

license with language until you understand the basic structures and know how to use them. And in a lot of cases, you know, you get carelessness described or disguised as creativity. creativity and I I think there's some value to Consuming content that has been Edited for clarity and correctness This is why are you writing fan fictions? Are you writing fan fictions in the full queen chat Dan? This is like the most classic most famous one. Is this a copypasta? No, this is a like a massive fan fiction based on Harry Potter and My Immortal is known very

far and wide for being a work of non- I'm not gonna lie, I thought it was a joke. No. I've never read that before. This makes it a lot better because it is actually unfortunately sincere. It's like a The Room kind of situation. My name is Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way and I have long ebony black hair. That's how I got my name. With purple streaks and red tips that reaches my mid back and icy blue eyes like

limpid tears and a lot of people tell me I look like Amy Lee and If you don't know who she is get the hell out of here get the hell out of here There's a lot of author you can't get your name from your long ebony black hair Yeah, that doesn't really work out. Because you were a baby. You didn't have that. You're an actual idiot. So anyway, there's that. Yeah. Sick.

Internet historian apparently did a read of it, okay. Phenomenal video, yeah. That's probably the best way to consume my immortal. Okay. It sounds like it probably was me. probably was not expecting that to happen tonight. I am so sorry the entirety of the internet. Oh boy. Lake Linus Dune. I'm working towards my doctorate in philosophy aiming to work in tech. Do you think my time would be better spent in research and development or policy around implementation? Also, second

role for SC hoodie. Probably no more SC hoodie. We do have a hoodie based on that pattern coming soon. You might like it. As for what you should be working on, I mean, policy around implementation seems like something someone with philosophy training should probably be working on with all this AI stuff going on. But whether anyone's actually willing to pay you to do that when they'd rather just go in like a wrecking ball, I don't know. Good luck though, and I hope you can make a positive difference in the world. There are actually companies hiring that role. Good. Well, they should. Yeah, a lot of them. But then they should actually listen instead of just hiring the role and so that... Oh, no, a lot of them are doing it. But then they should actually listen instead of just hiring the role and so that they can take a loss. Oh no, a lot of them are doing it

in order to try to improve their lobbying efforts. Oh good. Yeah. Cool. Well, carry on. Hi, I work in tech retail and we get a lot of clients looking for the cheapest systems not understanding or wanting to understand

that they won't get the functionality they want. How do I explain it? You won't be able to explain it. The way to handle it is be enthusiastic and be excited about the things that you know are going to actually make them happy. Take time to ask questions. It sounds like you're doing that though. Like you've taken the time to understand what they want, the functionality they're after. And so, you just have to improve your salesmanship. Be excited about the things that will work. Be extremely unexcited about the things that won't work. Warn them. Tell them you don't want them to waste their money because buying something twice, even if it's only two thirds of

the price, costs more than buying something once that actually works and actually fulfills their needs. So you just have to kind of try to break it down and do your best. Every once in a while, someone's going to come in, they're going to have some kind of expectations and what you got to do is you got to say, look, this isn't going to work for you. But it's clear that it's what you want and you can give it a try. Here's our return policy. And if you come back in, I'd be happy to, you know, chat with you and help you find something that works out better

for you. But maybe you'll try it. And you know, maybe from our conversation, I've misunderstood exactly what it is that your expectations are, and it'll work just fine for you. Just leave the conversation open. And let's see here. Last one I've got. LTD number one, precision bits and PTM 7950 when? I don't know. Logistics are a challenge. I saw someone in floatplane chat earlier saying PTM 7950 should be in stock. I mean, surely there couldn't be a shortage from Honeywell or whatever, but it's Marvel logistics thing. We were really working on trimming down our stock on the store and I think we kind of

over swung the pendulum that way. And too enthusiastic. Yeah, we need to do a better job of just maintaining a little bit more stock of just the run rate items that people are after. Like... Tall shirts. Like tall shirts, yeah. Are. Yeah. I knew you were going to have it.

Are they all like these out of stock? The tall shirts? Yeah. Oh no. I think the smalls are in and we've small and we have nothing else for long sleeve. You have a few options for short sleeve. It's only small.

I have been tracking this often. The microfiber shirt sold out. So I think we got the order quantity about right on that one but we're gonna keep getting better at it I think I hope we'll keep trying yeah I think that's it we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel. Bye. Yep.

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