The WAN Show - I Stand Corrected - WAN Show July 15, 2022

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

Mint Mobile: Save money on your phone plan today at https://www.mintmobile.com/wanshow Gusto: Get three months of Gusto FREE at: https://gusto.com/wan NordSec: Get Exclusive NordSecurity deals here: https://nordsecurity.com/wan All products are risk-free with Nord's 30-day money-back guarantee! Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119) 0:00 Chapters 1:08 Intro 1:27 Topic #1 - Community reaction to Linus's RAM notes ft. special guests 3:39 Buildzoid's video on YouTubers & RAM 5:13 Discussing NForce, Intel & XMP 7:45 Linus tried to push NCIX into boutique PC building 11:24 Enabling XMP can void warranties 12:11 Summarizing Buildzoid's video 14:40 Crucial's blog posts on RAM technology 17:45 FP poll: Intel's ARC Jersey, showcasing A770, discussing games 23:00 FP Poll result, opening & showing off ARC 25:02 Linux support for ARC 27:58 Possibility of a 900 trim, families 29:02 Linus requests a good naming scheme 31:40 Discussing the RGB limited edition 33:38 Intel's view on efficiency, FP's rack & database 37:58 Shadow tech invites Linus to France, Luke wanting to go 40:36 Device sharing services, latency & encoding 43:26 AV1 codec, supporting encoders 46:56 Streaming community, cross-brand support 53:20 Discussing limitations on ARC, other features 56:30 Quadro branding, FP poll on supporting features 59:48 Intel plans to talk with the community 1:07:30 Linus wants a disruption in the GPU market 1:09:03 Guests leave the set, ARC's jersey shirt 1:10:20 Sponsor - Squarespace 1:11:24 Sponsor - Wealthfront 1:12:17 Sponsor - Axiom 1:13:11 Topic #2 - New LTT pop-up shop for backpack 1:13:55 Limited in-person & back orders 1:17:32 Pricing & location for the pop-up shop 1:19:22 The shop will NOT include the screwdriver 1:20:25 In-stock notification will show pop-up shop 1:21:50 Topic #3 - Whale LAN event 1:25:35 Topic #4 - Unity acquiring IronSource 1:25:48 John Riccitiello & IronSource ft. Luke's F-bomb 1:28:53 Topic #5 - Sony's Playstation Star 1:31:50 Complaint on LTT content being mainstream 1:32:32 Merch Messages #1 1:32:51 Companies growing on a positive way 1:35:09 Polium 1 NFT Web3 gaming console 1:37:49 Topic #6 - Dr DisRespect's Project Moon 1:42:37 Topic #7 - BMW's subscription on seat warmers 1:45:40 Topic #8 - Linus showcases Miner VGA 1:54:18 Topic #9 - Cole-Bar Hammer update 2:01:36 Linus dies, last attempt 2:05:15 Luke's YouTube channel on Assassin Creeds 2 2:10:00 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today. Ram Bam, thank you for the correction, ma'am. Buildzoid has stepped up to correct what I said on our Prime Day stream earlier. Although, frankly, it probably wasn't necessary since we've got the one and only Ryan Shrout and the equally one and equally only Tom Peterson, formerly of PC Perspective and NVIDIA, and now currently both at Intel, working on Intel Art Graphics.

So they're going to be chatting about that. That's one of our other main topics today. What else we got, Luke? What are we going to talk about? We're going to talk about some events that we're hosting that are coming up, one of them being The Land, one of them being something you've never heard of before. Also, Unity acquires Ironsource, an ad tech company. What does that mean for

games? Probably bad things. Probably horrible things. I don't even want to talk about that. Time to talk about bad stuff. No, it's horrible, and I don't want to. I refuse. Pick something else. Nope, we're going to talk about it. Oh no. talk about it. I didn't know about that. Did that happen today?

The show is brought to you by Squarespace, Wealthfront and Axiom. I think it makes sense to start with our first topic. And you guys can weigh in, okay? So we've got Linus with his casual, off-the-cuff comment on cast latency versus actual RAM frequency and the importance of trade-offs between them. And then in the other corner,

we've got buildzoid with the um, actually, that's very important. So I applied a very old, very general, very inaccurate rule of thumb when I said something along the lines of, if you have a full, okay, well, that's where we get into the nuance. If you have a bin of speed versus a bin of by one bin then you it's probably about the same as having a little less frequency and a little less latency was the

generalization that i made and back in the ddr1 days that was probably a fairly fair thing to say these days it resulted in a video from Buildzoid correcting me because it is not actually accurate. So Trout, do you want to take a crack at what I got wrong before I... No, I actually don't because as we've gone from DDR through to 4 to now 5, I wouldn't know how to equate the deltas you get from a latency jump and a frequency jump um i know there has to be some trade-off but uh you know this is the risk you take when you talk in a very public when you say anything when you say anything and i lived in

that world i know what it's like to be uh corrected mildly in those ways. So what I said was that going from 5,200 megatransfers per second CL40 down to 4,800 megatransfers per second CL38 is probably a trade-off that isn't going to matter that much at the end of the day. However, this is not entirely true. YouTuber Actually Hardware... Actually Hardware... Actually Hardcore Overclocking, aka Buildzoid, released a video titled,

Tech YouTubers Need to Stop, all caps, doing this when talking about RAM, where he provided us with, this is editorialized, I'm not the one who wrote this, a minor correction regarding how we talk about RAM. Because at the end of the day, when we're talking about the decisions that you make regarding a large purchase like a gaming PC,

these little differences actually do matter because if you pick, it's actually, it's been a concept for a video I've wanted to do for a long time. The, the unoptimal PC where in every component class, where for every component you pick a worst in class component so you take so you know how you can have a thermal paste that will maybe drop maybe help you shed three degrees sure which might help you turbo 0.25 percent more right so at every turn we pick the one that is five percent or three percent or one percent worse and then at every turn we take the component that is 5% or 3% or 1% worse. And then at every turn, we take the component that is 5% or 3% or 1% better. And then we drag race those two against each other

to actually talk about the importance of these little decisions, whether it's RAM, GPU, motherboard. I mean, motherboard's one. We hardly even talk about the performance differences between motherboards anymore. Why? Because it's all down to a couple of percent here and there.

But. They stack. They stack. Yeah. They stack and it matters. I love that you took the smart path and said nothing, which is what I should have done. But see, what I actually want to do is challenge Tom because Tom has a lot of experience in, like, I don't know if you know this. He was an inventor of a very important memory technology

that we use every day. Every day. Every day. So NVIDIA, back in the day when I worked there, I was in the chipset business first. You were Enforce? I was Enforce. When it was good?

Yeah. Or when it was bad? No, before Intel killed it, I was in Enforce. Yeah. Can I say that? Yeah. And so part of that job, we were trying to figure out

how do you differentiate in chipsets versus Intel, which is hard, right? Well, you had GeForce MX, which is actually how you guys sold me my first motherboard. Is that right? I had an MX 440 so I could play Warcraft 3. I didn't play any hardcore games. But Enforce 2 with GeForce MX, I actually got a soltech mrn2l motherboard remember that motherboard and that was enough of a differentiator that i didn't want via i didn't want any of the other chipset makers for it i think sis was still in the business at the time yeah um and i went

nvidia for geforce mx graphics god bless you and they sucked And they sucked, but they were so much better than Intel's graphics. Oh, wait. At the time. The story just took a real weird turn. And that's my cue to exit. Gotta go. So, okay, so you were with the Enforce team then. Yes. Okay, tell me about that.

At the time, we were good friends with Corsair. You know, John Beakley. I know him. He's a great guy. And Andy and all those guys. And we're trying to figure out, hey, how can we partner closer with these guys? And we came up with a concept called EPP and SLI memory. EPP stands for Enhanced Performance Profiles. Yes. Intel called us and said, good idea.

We want to get on board. So they joined it. And there was a little consortium that Intel pushed to JDAQ. And it became xmp so i really no shit yes i did not know that yes that is so cool if you're amd although nobody calls it that i still have an original sli memory dim that we did and it basically sli branded memory had EPP. Now the SLI branded memory didn't last very long.

And some of it, quite frankly, no offense, was dog shit. I remember there were these OCZ DDR2 SLI modules that were atrocious. Unbelievably good. The compatibility was awful. Unbelievably good. We're fast forwarding a little bit in my career at that point so we're in the ddr2 phase i'm working at ncix as our uh as our coordinator for our high

end systems and so i was actually the one whenever we got an order for like a six thousand seven thousand eight thousand dollar system i think the highest end one i ever built was like a 10 grand system and this was without paint jobs. You know, we didn't take shortcuts when we built a $10,000 system, main gear Falcon Northwest. We, it had,

I forget how many Raptor X, you know, a 10,000 RPM drives it had in it. But this buddy who bought it, I actually met the customer. Like we had such a white glove experience that i actually drove to his house to like fix it for him when he had some kind of no to upgrade it for him when he wanted new hardware later like these customers were very babied by me personally

wasn't it like a boutique that just grew out of nothing you guys were you weren't originally doing this right oh man i could talk about that for a while i wanted to we were selling a lot of boxes but we were doing it at no margin we were actually it's it's funny how the industry has come full circle because we were actually doing the same thing that um oh oh balls what is there uh we actually we uh well it's kind of like what nzxt is doing with build where they sell the components and then there's like a fixed build fee and uh oh crap i forget who else is doing it i think does main gear have a brand that they do that with as well uh i know there's i know there's one that we actually like work with quite frequently bell do you remember who it is what do they do uh the one that has the fixed fee and then you just buy

all the hardware at like market prices uh build redux redux yes yes redux thank you uh so it's come full circle and like now the boutique builders are actually getting into that business because it is a really good way to move boxes you get your volumes up with your suppliers you get more mdf and you also just have work for your workers to do in between the few and far between that are ordering five six thousand ten thousand dollar systems right so anyway this was so i wanted to move from these these just white box generic boxes of random custom components into standardizing our build so that we never ended up with a rampage extreme in anything again and forced by that board literally had a 50 rma rate for us really literally 50 percent it was awful that sounds bad when asus launched rog because it was with that board yeah i was

like this brand is doomed because this is the worst product that we have ever seen cross our threshold i don't remember this i i i, I blacked out. So I was pushing us internally to become more of a boutique system builder. And part of that, because nobody else cared about this project, was that I hand built all of those systems. So I remember this system for this baller guy who the first time I worked with him, he a day trader and when i went to upgrade his system he was a professional online poker player that was all he did and he needed the fastest system apparently for that this is the same guy uh yeah yeah this is the same holy shit yeah so when i hand built his system with ocz sli memory modules that will be that memory will

be baked into my brain forever because I couldn't figure it out. It would work with two in these slots and then it would stop working with two in those slots and then it would work with two in these slots. Then it would randomly work with four in all of the slots. I haven't changed a f***ing thing. I saw the reach. I did, I saw the reach of the button.

You can see he was working himself up, right? And then all of a sudden went for the button. But hey, I mean, xmp had some xmp had some challenges but i would say today other than the awkward detail that intel technically voids your warranty for using it oh is that true it's really great and works pretty well yeah technically it's overclocking and intel doesn't is my understanding that's why some OEMs will stick with JDEK rather than enabling XMP, particularly the tier ones. That is the reason I've been given. I could be mistaken, and I'm sure that I'm going to get an angry email from you or maybe a correction video from Notezoid.

Can I add one point of clarification? Yes. Overclocking is delightful on ARC, and it's not voiding your warranty. I knew he was going to bring us there. All right. Let me finish this topic. And then, yeah, I do want to talk to you guys about that. So Buildzoid said, cast latency and this, yes, is how many clock cycles it takes for RAM to access data in one of its columns. So if you are running at a higher frequency and the frequency and this is for reasons I don't fully understand but we do ram frequency in mega transfers per second for some reason even though it's a cycle We don't call it a hertz

Anyone help? Uh, why? Yeah, uh because uh, it's a it's an eye So if you think about it, it's a it's a differential signal. Sure, and. And it's kind of like you can count it as two transfers. So sometimes people double it. So calling it a op makes it clear that you don't double. Thank you. Yes. All right. So the cast latency is how many of these cycles, these transfers per second, it takes for RAM to access data in one of its columns. Alright, so a 4800 CL38 technically actually has longer latency than a 5200 CL8 RAM module. Now that I knew. What I didn't do the math on was whether the 5200 CL40 was enough to counter out 4800 CL38. So you can have a faster module that runs at higher megatransfers per second, and it can have a higher cast latency while having lower overall latency in nanoseconds, which is what actually matters. So Buildzoid did the math. Thank you very much.

The 5200 megatransfer per second CL40 kit actually not only has higher bandwidth by 8%, but 3% lower actual latency too. So I was wrong. Get owned. Effective latency. Damn. Effective latency.

Yes. However, when comparing between two kits, each only a single JDEX spec away from one another, the performance difference remains relatively small. So my advice still remains, depending on the pricing, you want to go with whatever makes the most sense for your budget, unless you are getting into very high performance tiers, which I don't believe we were looking at at the time, where you really are trying to eke out every last percent um there is a helpful chart from crucial source 2 that actually shows how timings have remained very similar across many specs of ram from ddr to ddr 5 and this is kind of cool so why don't we pop this up crucial actually occasionally publishes

some very very cool blog posts. Do you guys mind popping us over onto the bottom right real quick? I actually used some blog posts from Crucial when I was doing up our video on DDR5. We collaborated with G.Skill on it, and then we also turned to... There was... Man, there was... There's this company. I forget what they're called, they make pcb design software and they had an amazing blog post on the challenges around designing ddr5 traces and i was like this is so cool how do you publish this for free i love it anyway uh you can see here that our our latency even though we've gone from cast latencies of

three with sdr and ddr you know two and a half man you could get you could get cast to ddr back in the day yeah that uh that ocz uh untested stuff that was literally utt untested but then you they just warrantied you to overvolt the snot out of it what a weird company they were anyway um they were yes they did kind of blow up if i'm remembering correctly didn't they oh spectacularly actually know a fair bit about that um 15 15 nanoseconds of latency and ddr5 at cas 40 compared to two and a half is 16.67 nanoseconds of latency so it's actually a pretty cool table to see how yes that number has gone up a lot, but in terms of the real world actual time latency

of access, it hasn't. It's the second time today we've talked about Crucial. We've talked about it at lunch. I know. I referenced the, I don't know if they still have it. Configuration tool and compatibility tool where you would put in your laptop or your motherboard and it would tell you

here's the six modules that will actually be compatible. Back in the day. In SD and the first gens DD, that was more important. Oh, wait, I remember that. Yeah. Fun story. Whoa, that's been a while. all of the random ass crucial modules that they have in that configurator and populating them on the NCIX site

so that when people went through the crucial memory configurator, NCIX would have a where to buy link so that we could place freaking these random orders for these weird SKUs that distribution was going to take 12 weeks to get in stock while the customer yells at us so that they can get the validated DDR memory module for their ancient Dell Optiplex.

So yes, great tool. I personally have a bit of a grudge against it. It was an awesome tool though. I actually used it a lot when I was doing like tech work. Yeah. For servers in particular. Yeah. Like it was actually awesome tool though i actually used it a lot but i have like tech work yeah for servers in particular yeah like it was actually genuinely really helpful i just haven't thought about it why are you guys here well i just really want to say hi yeah i mean it just seems like it's

been so long oh oh and and in the jersey arc i. This is just my war today. That jersey, I beat around the bush a little bit in the pre-show. It's kind of cringe. You think? Yeah. I actually disagree. You disagree. I disagree.

I think it's cool. I think it goes a little hard. I think in terms of other gaming choices. If you had a Linus jersey, you would wear it and you'd be so stoked. No, I wouldn't. Yes, you would. I would not. You would wear it to Badminton 100%.

Well, the question is, would you ever wear that in anywhere other than a work function? And the answer to that is going to be no. No, I would not. So for me, shirts like that are really great if you could wear it to a rave, as an example. Oh, okay.

If I was going to a rave, then yeah, it has the right color scheme. Yeah, you could wear it, right? Did you just learn something about tap? Are you a raver? I don't rave. That's actually why he's in Vancouver. No, I don's listening i don't rave no but like if you're doing outside sports or whatever like i don't know i'd throw it on i would wear it if the intel arc branding

was on the back i find the bicep on the back it says says, let's play on the back, but you could, you could. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. But you know, special edition. Yeah. But the good news is that everything else we talked about today made a much,

much better impression than that shirt. I wonder if that's because you're not a soccer fan. Ooh, I'm not. See, that is a soccer style jersey. That is. Yeah,

that is. Yes, that is. Okay. Hold on a second. Let's have, let's have a look at the chat. That is. Yes, that is. Okay, hold on a second. Let's have a look at the chat. I think we should run a... Let's run a poll.

Okay, okay. Is the polling system working right now, Luke? Yep. Okay, do you want to do it? Because I don't know how to use it. Okay, Luke's going to hit the float plane chat with a poll. Ryan Shrout's Intel Arc jersey. I mean, it's not just mine.

It's not only his, but he does model it very well. I mean, you've sweated in it. Nobody else wants nay. It's not just mine. It's not only his, but he does model it very well. I mean, you've sweat in it. Nobody else wants it. It's yours now. The good news is everything, well, the people respond to the poll. The good news is that everything else you guys talked about today has been pretty positive.

So what did you bring up? As far as I know, this has not been shown outside of Intel yet. Has not. You are correct. What do you want to say about it? What is it? I would like to say, first off, thanks.

And I got to say, thank you very much for having us here. Oh, yeah, our pleasure. And I got to tell you, not only do I just love being out and around other people because it's been so long, but you've honestly been just a pleasure. I got to see the whole place, and it's quite impressive. And I'm just, you know, wow. So there's that first thing.

Nobody ever says nice things to me on the land show because i'm always just yeah yeah i don't know how to react you know just just relax okay now about this i'm also excited because as you know we showed you some performance yes right and and this is the first card that i've seen from intel that i go you know what it's all gonna be okay it's all gonna be it's all going to be okay. It's all going to work out. I love the fact that we can sit here and we can play games with it, right? It plays really well. We were playing Cyberpunk earlier. Yeah, I was going to say, we weren't playing

minor VGA, which is not a crypto thing, by the way. Do you know minor VGA? I don't. He's kind of flexing his knowledge because we played Minecraft last night. And he's like, well, back in my day. We played minor VGA. I don't know what minor VGA flex his knowledge because we played Minecraft last night and he's like, well, back in my day. Back in my day. We played Miner VGA. We had Miner VGA.

I don't know what Miner VGA is. How did I not know? Okay, I'm going to try and get this up. That's probably a good reason. I'm going to try and get this up on PlayDOSGames.com here. But anyway, the point is we're not talking lightweight games.

We ran Cyberpunk. We ran F1 2021. We ran Shadow of the Tomb Raider, which was good. Hey, these are all games that are... Did you use the thing? Which thing? Oh, I should have used the thing. I didn't use the thing. What thing?

We actually just built an automatic benchmark tool for those games. Oh, and you didn't use the thing? Literally all the games that he just listed. Well, we were only sort of allowed to... We were allowed to kind of look at performance. We weren't allowed to get analytical. Oh, that was like frame times. Yeah, because we're not at the point where we're really

sampling this yet. I really just wanted to come up and share. Yeah, I know. That's totally fair. It's just like a sneak peek. But very, very soon. I don't know if this is going to bother anybody else in the production, but if stop slamming your hand on the table. Okay, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Very, very soon. Nobody else wanted to say it. He's excited.

I am very excited. I like the passion. I'm very excited. I'm very excited. But this is actually, it overclocks pretty good. It's got fantastic media. But at the end of the day, what you really care about is does it game? And does it game well?

And I feel like we hit it. We nailed it. Now, it's a little bit more complicated story than obviously you know that I would like to tell. Yes. I'm sure you guys would have loved to fly up here put your put your hands in your lap twiddle your thumbs and go like this enjoy dude just do your thing yeah i mean we so we started we started today i think it was this morning uh we published a video talking a little bit about performance and a little bit about like our plan to roll this out. It's something that, you know, people are eager to see. They've wanted to see it for a while.

Yeah. I think three years and counting. And we get it and we understand it. And now Tom and I are like pushing for it. We're doing it, man. We're doing it. And I'm pretty excited. So the key thing is

before you know it these are going to be available in the channel and okay we didn't talk about that we did not talk about it but i'm just going to say before you know it kid i mean i guess there's retail i mean there's retail there's a retail box yeah wait is it in here yeah oh i assume i assumed you would have taken it out well the people want you to open it yeah sure i mean should we give it to the guy with the jersey that by the way, 80% of our floatplane viewers say cool or wearable. Wow. I'll take it. Or something better than trash.

Cringe and unwearable was 21%. So four out of five sweaty nerds. That is a solid win. Four out of five sweaty nerds are going to be into it. Awesome. Sounds good. Here we go. Hold is a solid win. Four out of five sweaty nerds are going to be into it. Sure. Awesome. That sounds good.

Oh, yeah. Here we go. Hold on a second. We're just reframing for you here. I will say it looks really sharp. There it is. You haven't even seen it with RGB yet. Yeah.

So that has RGB. That's a limited edition. It will be available for purchase. We've got a cool program that controls all the RGBs. That's actually an over-designed card for the chip that's in it. You were looking at our little monitor, and it was at 61 degrees C while we were gaming. You're like, that's obviously broken. 69, actually.

69, sorry. Guess what? Nice. And then he said nice. It was correct. It was correct. It's a targeted temperature. Yeah.

Wow. So you guys are hitting like 70 degrees under load. It was literally reporting 99% GPU usage, which as far as I can tell, seemed to be working. Yes. Well, that's, and that's with a dual,

that's with a dual fan. It's a dual axial, yeah. They wouldn't talk pricing with us yet, but when you guys watch the video, which by the way, is going to be amazing because we got Shrout to shill for lttstore.com because we got shroud to shill for lttstore.com and we got tap to shill for float i don't know how it happened it's the most obvious recording

when we were talking about this would be our last video because we're going to get fired it was part of the reasons why i want to see the video because i i know for sure it's my most awkward recording that i've ever done no it's no you sure yeah, yeah. I gave them both some like hosting coaching when they were trying really hard. I learned a lot. It was a great effort. I'd been out of practice for three and a half years. I don't know how to do this anymore.

I haven't seen people. Well, you had nothing to talk about. Exactly. Oh. Hey. Hey-o. Again. Damn.

Damn. We have some questions from people. Do you want to talk a little bit more freestyle or do you want to start listening from the community? Because, you know, one of the first questions is, hey, are you guys engaging with the open source community? How is your Linux support going to be for this card? Well, I can tell you that.

Our Linux support is going to be great. We already have an open driver for Linux, right? So we're not in the same position as some of the other companies that have a little bit of schizophrenic relationship. We are open source oriented, right? So we're not in the same position as some of the other companies that have a little bit of schizophrenic relationship. We are open source oriented, right? Now, can I remind you guys, his employment history, he formerly worked for a green company. It doesn't matter. It's not about that. But he doesn't have any insider knowledge. He was actually the receptionist. So I don't want

it to seem like he's throwing shade. I'm not throwing shade on anybody. We are very open. I want to get that out there. Thank you. We're very open. And so our Linux community, I think most of them realize that we do open standards. Like if you think open standards, you should start thinking, where did these come from? Well, a lot of them came from Intel. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Intel wasn't going to go and embrace a closed standard like G-Sync, for example. Great technology, great technology, personally a fan, but Intel, they't going to go and embrace a closed standard like G-Sync, for example. Oh! Great technology. Great technology. Personally, a fan.

But Intel, they're going to wait for Adaptive Sync, obviously, right? Yes. Well, you know my history about that. So I'm very excited to say that we do support Adaptive Sync. And we also have a couple other really cool sync modes like Smooth Sync and another thing that we're calling. What's the last one called? Smooth Sync? Fast Sync.

Okay, what's the difference? No, I don't think that's right. Oh, it's the last one called? Smooth sync, fast sync. So all of them. Okay, what's the difference? No, I don't think that's right. Oh, it's not fast sync. It's smooth sync. Is fast sync kind of, or whatever it is. The last one, is it like a reflex competitor? No, no, no. It's actually really cool.

It's like when you have tearing, like when you're running really fast, you're going to tear. This mode actually blends the two frames. So think of it, it works with all monitors. But what we're doing is we're saying, we can't get rid of tearing, but we can actually make that transition less jarring. That's pretty sweet for certain games that are just going to tear. It works all the time.

So I get the latency advantage of not having any kind of sync, but I'm assuming that would rely on the machine learning hardware. No, no, no, no. It's just a traditional blend. So think of it, it's in our display logic. So as we're scanning out lines, we kind of know when a new frame shows up. Smooth sync, by, no. It's just a traditional blend. So think of it, it's in our display logic. So as we're scanning out lines, we kind of know when a new frame shows up. Smooth Sync, by the way, is the name I can remember. Thank you, Ryan. Smooth Sync.

So that feature is available. It works with all games because it's in our display hardware. And it's vendor neutral. And it's going to work on all Arc. It's pretty cool. That is actually super cool. We have a video for you. Maybe we could give it.

You can cut it in if you want. It's pretty cool. Now, I would like to hear from you guys if you have any other questions. This is going to be the one and only opportunity to chat with these guys live about this here. Well, it may not be the only. Although I know that you guys are on. This could be my last employment day here. That's true.

We don't know how that's going to go. Actually, I take it back. Yeah, it could very well be. This is it. Could very well be. Okay. I mean, a crane, I don't think they're going to be able to answer that question. Yeah, I mean, like, hey, what day is it going to be available and how much is it going to cost?

We're not going to answer price. We're not going to answer specifics on performance, and we're not going to talk specifics on a date. Akrain wants to know if there will be a 900 trim or if 700 is the highest. Can you address that? I can say, yeah. It's okay if you can't right now. We have a three family, a five family and a seven, seven family. And that's where our plan ends right now. Now, whether someday we change that, maybe, you know, we always, we always think into things and I know Intel added a nine to the CPU. But right now, no plan. We have enough names.

We got products to fill it. And that's plenty. Well, the way I think of it, Intel restored the nine because we all knew there was supposed to be a core i9 many years before they finally gave us the only like marginally upgraded core i9 wasn't core i9 supposed to be the branding for the original hedt 1366 i can't was it not it was was it seven it was 7 with an X. So it was really confusing because you had Core i7s on the consumer platform, and then you had Core i7s on the HEDT platform, and it stayed like that for years. Very confusing. Very confusing. So will we have a 9 maybe? We'll see as the products go.

It depends if you can make something 9-worthy. No. I think it comes down to... I think the naming structure you've come up with is actually super useful because it doesn't elicit direct comparisons to the competition. The A series means alchemist. Next generation will be B. It'll be battle mage. And then you've got the 357.

And then you can use any of the numbers after that for your performance differentiation. Can I please respectfully request something? Of course. Do you guys have influence within the arc business unit? Oh, yes. No, not so much. No, we definitely do. Yes. But does he though? He definitely does. He does. He and I are buddies. We're like connected. Okay. Okay. Until one of you is fired. Well, if I get fired, then he is going to be the man. one of you is fired well if i get fired then then he is going to be the man can you guys stick to your guns keep the naming scheme sensible yes make it so that's really good right now as media and as a consumer because you guys actually did do a great job of that intel like intel does not

always do a great job nvidia and am AMD many times have seemingly intentionally obfuscated the meaning of their model numbers. We've seen rebrands. We've seen reuse of the same numbers, which from a consumer standpoint is a nightmare because if you're going and you're troubleshooting something and you search for,

I'm trying to think of, you search for AMD 6800. I was thinking about that. They have CPUs. They have GPUs. NVIDIA has actually reused, man, what was it that they, there's definitely stuff they've reused.

There's numbers that have been used by both AMD and NVIDIA. So if you search for this game. Oh, yes, 480. Yeah, 480. 280, 480. Yes, 280, 480. These are both great examples. 9800.

So what I would respectfully request is that you guys stick to your guns. 3, 5, 7 is your tiers. The letter is your family. I don't care if this particular letter, if J isn't that cool. Okay? Jelly beans. I like J. is your family i don't care if this particular letter if jay isn't that cool okay if if if jelly i like jay if arc arc just 770 looks looks like looks like some kind of swear word in some kind of cyrillic script in sanskrit or something like please for for for consumers it's stick to your guns but it's not just for consumers right it? It's also for my sanity as well. Yes.

Right? I would like to mess with his sanity, but we won't. Okay? We will not. I have a question that I'm going to merge kind of a question for myself and a question from the audience. They are asking about, you mentioned earlier, this is exclusive? It's limited edition. Limited edition.

Okay. You mentioned earlier, this is exclusive? It's limited edition. Limited edition, okay. So a certain other company that may not be named sells certain limited edition stuff, maybe like just through Best Buy or whatever else. Is this limited edition directly from you guys? I would expect that to show up in multiple channels

in the US and worldwide. Intel's distribution is... I could even answer that question. The way Intel's distribution works is it'll go through Disty, and then, There's multiple people. And then, whether there's an exclusive arrangement or not,

Disty's going to send a bunch of them out the back door to mom and pop shops anyway. It's all going to work out. Yeah. Even if Intel wanted this to be Best Buy exclusive, I pretty much promised you

it wouldn't be. Yeah, that's not our intent. I think people really like the look of that because I'm getting a lot of questions that are basically like, can I get this? Can you grab it?

Can you pick it up again for a second, Shroud? Is that still framed for his hands? No, it's okay. It doesn't matter. I'll just hold it and explain it. So the way they did the RGB on this is actually super classy. The top bar... Oh, are you going to fire it over to me?

Oh, cool. How nice is that? Whoops, wrong one. Whoops, wrong one. Whoops, wrong one. Whoops, whoops. You'll get it. Now we're talking. Now we're talking.

Time to charm. The way they did it is actually super classy. And I'm not just shilling. I'm not being paid to tell you this. Not today, anyway. I expect payment tomorrow. There's a nicely diffused RGB light bar along the top. The Intel Arc logo right here is also lit.

And then it's really subtle the way they've done it with the fans from the front you actually wouldn't know so if you've got a case that has a vertical gpu mount this thing is going to look absolutely f***ing sick it will because the rgb is diffused and it's recessed so it's around the outside of the fan and they could have gone tacky they could have absolutely done like a translucent fan blade or something along those lines they decided not to they kept it classy and i think it looks absolutely awesome thank you for that but i have a question from matt k35 there have been reports of huge huge gpu power usage from NVIDIA and the 4000 models. And AMD confirmed, well, didn't confirm, but speculated that I think they said by 2025, we could see power consumption as

high as like 600 watts or something like that. They didn't say anything about the next gen, but they said they do foresee much higher GPU power consumption in the future. So Matt K35 asked, will Intel be reaching for such high power consumption in this range or future models? Or how do you guys view the importance of efficiency in the PCIe slot form factor? Well, obviously efficiency is huge for us. We're not going to be anywhere near those power ranges in the Alchemist family. I don't know if we've given out a number for this guy. I don't think we have. We have not, but I'd love to tell you, it's not going to burn out any electrical cities and you don't have to

get a mortgage to run the power. It's very tame. And I don't think we're going to be participating in that above 500 watt GPU anytime soon. Now that's in the consumer space. Obviously in workstations and in data centers, power limits, power budgets are much different. And so I would just not include those in the conversation. Yeah. Fun fact. We actually had a bit of a miscommunication with one of our data center partners for Floatplane, where we specifically asked for two critical pieces of infrastructure to be located in

different racks. There's more than two. Okay, sure. Multiple critical pieces of infrastructure to be located in separate racks and the reason for that was that occasionally you can have a rack level outage yeah and it was imperative that we not have all of those things go out at the same time for the health of the service now that because that sort of thing is rare but it does happen so we got our request and they said, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure.

Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. Hours later, our port infrastructure guys, I know AJ was working on it. Did Jonathan touch this as well? I don't think it was hours later. The timelines are weird, but basically, yeah. No, I mean hours of work. Oh.

Like figuring out why something was like weird. Yeah, so they're all in the same rack. We figure out they're all in the same rack we say why are they all in the same rack they go oops we'll move them they don't move them we figure out that we have to order new ones because it took a bunch of work to figure out they were in the same rack because it's not immediately obvious yeah like yeah when you're not on site yeah physically there yeah if you're there you can look at it and go oh well that's the land cable that's plugged into that or whatever right yeah but when you're not on site it's it's not immediately obvious from their identifiers that they are actually physically within the same rack so then they follow up they say they'll move it okay we find out that they're in the same rack

again and then they follow up again and what did they Oh, we just have to like reorder them. Because they can't move them because they're water-cooled into the rack. So they're like, they're going to do a refund and they're going to take care of us and stuff and it's going to be fine. We're not going with anyone else. We've been working with them for a long time.

It's whatever. But like, it's just... But it shows you that in data centers, it wasn't even special. We didn't order a water-cooled tier. Yeah. They just, that's just what they're doing. You get water-cooled. tier yeah ah they just that's just what they're doing water-cooled yeah they're just they're just that's what they're doing in that particular dc

they're water cooling the entire rack and they can't just at least for that rack they can't just slide uh a rack unit out of it and go put it somewhere else it's it's actually like plumbed into the rack so yeah in the data center i yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see hundreds of... I mean, man, some of the CPUs Intel is doing for the data center are wild. Yeah. Well, the whole changing of the data center power centers and the cooling, whole building cooling.

Have you been there to see these things? They're incredible. They're really cool. With the giant fans at the end and they kind of blow passively through the whole thing i wish we could get an actual like tour of a really high-end data center but every single data center is just like yeah but that's one i'm talking like a full you should it's amazing they're hard to get into is that is that we have one engineering data center and like it's an sc yeah one of the old sc buildings that we used to be a fab that we've

converted into a data center we might be able to get you in there we might be okay another option is um luke i don't want to fly to france i do but i miss traveling i used to meet you guys all the time yeah i might as well i might as well just talk about this so shadow tech um oh reached out and they might be able to get us into a major data center the one that we use oh oh in france as part of what is this as part of something so uh shadow uses um i forget what it's called geforce now geforce what's the local streaming one help me oh the local streaming one so there's geforce now which is the the cloud yeah not the cloud one and i don't know what they call the local streaming one it's kind of always been a little bit of a less awesome thing it's kind of a hybrid between them because what they're essentially doing is they're using the

local streaming one but they're doing it over the internet interesting so it's not it's not cloud oh i see what you're saying yeah so it's like peer-to-peer exactly so you you connect over some kind of vpn that they've figured out like a nice low latency vpn and then you can game on your dedicated system yeah with your dedicated gpu that was their model they ran into some bankruptcy trouble recently some investor something something uh the crypto mining shortages apparently affected them a lot uh i i don't know i'm sure that if we end up collaborating we'll get all the details and we'll we'll get that for you guys uh but yeah i mean i i am not gonna fly to france but maybe maybe we do uh maybe luke you know does a euro euro tour that'd. We might end up not sending you. We might send someone else. I'm sorry. I'm not promising anything.

But that would be super cool. That hurts. It seems like a bait and switch. Didn't that hurt? Hey, you want to go? I felt like that was go. You want to go? You want to go? Do you really want to go? Yes. Because you don't host LTT videos anymore, so I don't know. I've always loved the traveling. So I've always loved shows. You know that. I won't.

Then this is it. That's my commitment. Yeah. Thank you you if we do the collab then luke will go nice hole in the chat i want to i want to get i'd love to go with luke but i don't know yeah i mean that would be fun let's do it you would be fun that'd be cool game stream game stream yes game stream that's the one now do you know uh nvidia had also a co-play mode? Did you ever see that? Wait, what? I didn't know that. What's co-play? Wait a second. Maybe I don't know nothing about no co-play. I thought that was a thing. I think it was.

It was a thing. See if you can find co-play. Oh, now everybody's Googling now. NVIDIA co-play. Is it a thing? I see cosplay. No, no, no. This is cosplay. It's not a thing? Okay, well, I apologize. If anybody dresses like a graphics card.

I don't know nothing about no-coplay. What he meant to say was cosplay. I meant to say cosplay. There are people that have cosplayed as NVIDIA graphics cards. GeForce Experience Share. Yes. It looks like it does. Ah, there you go.

Thank you. Thank you, God. I'm starting to have a little flashbacks here. With NVIDIA Share. No, this isn't it. Okay, broadcast your gameplay with GeForce Experience Share. Press Alt-Z to bring up the share overlay. What is that? So it's pretty cool, actually.

And you can actually, assuming this is what I remember it to be, you can actually share your PC screen to a remote device, and they can do I.O. back to your game. So it effectively allows cooperative play and remote play on your PC. Interesting. There was another service I saw that did something like that where it was like they, it was, it's kind of like in,

you can't get past this part of a game. You can hire a sherpa you can hire an expert yes that was an actual no it's still an actual thing oh of course it is of course yes oh my goodness yeah go check it out it's actually pretty cool it never really took off because it's it's just kind of hard for people to get their heads around yeah but it's a good thing and there's also there's competing ways to do that. Like you can set it up through Steam, where you can play your Steam games remotely using the same the same encoder. Now, I guess this is a perfect opportunity for you guys to talk then about video encoding. One of the things that enables these kinds of remote play experiences are the high end hardware encoding engines that

are built into modern GPUs. because if we had to use software encode and decode for that matter on the host and the client device, you'd be looking at latency that even ignoring the internet would be too high to have a good gaming experience. And the image quality would be terrible. It would be compressed to high hell. So one of the things that we already know that Intel arc is really good at because we checked it out on a laptop recently is encode and decode. Now, what I want to know, because I am a bit of an enthusiast, whether we're talking, yeah,

Twitch chat's talking about Parsec, which is another really cool software for low latency remote gaming. Okay. And it's not Steam specific and is not locked into any like GeForce driver or anything like that. You can use it with AMD.

You can use it with Intel. I'm gonna check that out i've not heard it so as an enthusiast for this kind of technology this kind of remote play technology i believe we were actually the first ones to ever do uh did we get surround working when steam for when valve first launched their remote uh i remember working on this but i honestly yeah we got either like 4k or surround working or something. And it was so janky and it was so ridiculous that I was actually contacted by the developer from Valve who was working on the technology internally going, wow,

I can't believe you tried that. I have one tiny cubicle. I don't even have enough monitors that are good enough to like try this. You're pushing the technology to the limits, man. Keep going. Anyway, I love this stuff. So one of the things that I wanted to know was, can I expect an good enough to like try this you're pushing the technology to the limits man keep going um anyway i love this stuff so one of the things that i wanted to know was can i expect an improvement in this kind of technology with the encode and decode engine that you guys have built into arc a hundred percent obviously i mean we've already talked that we support native av1 encode for the first time yeah so what's the advantage of av1 talk to me like i'm five okay av1 because AV1 is- Because I still make mistakes about RAM bandwidth and latency. So I'm clearly an idiot. And you got put in your place. I did. Yeah. It's true. AV1 is a next generation codec standard. So

it basically reduces the bandwidth required for a high quality upload. And so if you encode to AV1, you can kind of either push more bits of quality up to the cloud so you can have a higher quality stream, or you can reduce the bandwidth and kind of maybe reduce some of the jitter, reduce some of the stutter, and it's smaller file sizes if you're recording locally. So AV1 is sort of like the future of what is encoding going to look like, and it's supported natively in hardware on all of our GPUs. Now, when you say supported natively in hardware, I think that's something that a lot of people don't understand. It's just because you have hardware support for encoding in a particular manner,

that doesn't mean that your quality is as good as if you were to do it through software. So, and it also doesn't necessarily mean that it would be fast enough for a real-time application like game streaming. Yeah. Is it that good? It is okay it is great and you're going to get to test it right you're going to you're you're going to basically yeah so there's no point lying yeah i mean i think it's great

it's actually you guys remember quick sync right quick sync yes has been awesome for forever and this is using a lot of the similar media technology. But QuickSync hasn't seen the kind of support that we've seen for other encoders. Why do you guys suck at propagating QuickSync? I remember we'd get these benchmarks in these weird Chinese DVD authoring suites, and we'd be like, QuickSync's amazing. And then it takes Apple to go and popularize the concept of hardware encoding, accelerating mainstream applications like Final Cut, and all of a sudden everyone goes, wow, this is a great idea. Why did Intel suck so much at communicating the importance of QuickSync?

You know, it's hard to put a name on it. I blame Ryan. Well, he doesn't even think of it. I blame Ryan. Why? That doesn't mean I can't blame Ryan. I mean, come on. It's sure.

I think what it comes down to is like it's all about software enabling, developer relations, all that. And Intel has like an unparalleled infrastructure for that. The problem, I think, is that there are some complexities of things. QuickSync wasn't always turned on by default when you made a desktop system, right? Your integrated graphics gets turned off. And developers don't, they're like, well, why am I working on this project if that's not the case, right?

And I remember we had very specific discussions as we were launching 10th or 11th gen about, you know, QuickSc is super important. We need to tell motherboard vendors, you need to leave, the default cannot be off anymore. The default needs to be that integrated graphics stays on

because that's what enables the media engines to be accessible. And there's no good reason to have it off. Not anymore. It doesn't take any power really. Years and years ago, you might make the case that it was, you know, compatibility,

multiple drivers. Yeah, yeah. But like when Windows handles multiple vendor drivers all the time. if you had an nvidia radeon card you could still have it all work and it's all well integrated or an arc card now but someday someday someday soon and that but now when you do that when you have an arc card right you get you we can take advantage of both engines right so uh i know raja has talked about it a little bit we haven't talked about it recently but we have uh i think it's called stream assist which is an idea that if you have an arc card in your system and you have a a cpu with integrated graphics you can actually use the

integrated graphics quick sync encode engine to handle all the encode operations and and that's a big problem actually particularly when you're running very demanding games. Like you've probably run into this, you stream. So yeah, NVENC is amazing. It's outstanding. It's been the industry leader for basically since it was implemented. But when you're playing a heavy game

and you're trying to encode, you can sometimes run into issues where either the encoder will get overloaded or you will drop significant frames. And a lot of games these days, we've moved away from RTSs for the most part. So a lot of games these days are GPU bound, not CPU bound. So you've run into that a lot. That's actually a pretty cool idea and might be the first genuine example of someone trying to marry integrated and discrete graphics. We are all over that. In spite of AMD trying over and over and over and over again. So there's a whole collection of technologies that we have called DeepLink.

And I think we've described DeepLink a little bit, but it's the concept of how can we use all the power of that integrated CPU, which has graphics, and now connect Arc graphics to it? What are the leverages there? And there's lots of them. Right. And it's going to become very, very common that you'll see features on Arc that are only activated when it's coupled with an Intel CPU. It's going to become very very common that you'll see features on arc that are only activated when it's coupled with an intel cpu it's going to be very stream assist is one of

those and then um uh like hyper hyper encode hyper encode uses the the uh the encode engines on the integrated and the encode engines on the discrete arc graphics and it will i think i think it's 60 you know 60 faster something like that. Now tell me something. Is there a technical limitation that would prevent this QuickSync assist from working with an NVIDIA or an AMD card? Because in my humble opinion, it would be a good guy move

and it would be extremely positive press for Intel. Very open standard style. To get some mind share and some awareness within the streaming community, which by the way, is really influential. I mean, a great example of this is the recently defunct Artesian builds, which I had never even heard of.

I had no idea they existed until they screwed over a small streamer with a prize when absolutely supernova, Steve from Gamers Nexus has actually it a lot about artesian builds and and and we all discovered that they were actually running an enormous operation what they have like 40 employees 60 employees apparently i don't know the the last video is like a 20 million dollar business yeah like they were running this enormous operation their only way way they marketed, as far as I could tell, was streaming, building machines,

and then sponsoring as many tiny streamers as they could with these gaming rigs. And they turned it into this enormous freaking business. So if I can put pressure on you guys in a very public forum, we've got almost

20,000 people watching right now, by the way. Say hi. Hi, 20,000 people. Thank you guys in a very public forum uh we've got almost 20 000 people watching right now by the way say hi hi 20 000 people thank you guys very much for tuning in i would like to see intel try to take a very open approach to their technology because if i was a streamer and all i ever knew was geforce or all i ever knew was radeon which is less common in the streaming space because of nbank if all of a sudden you guys were to get your foot in the door and go hey, you probably already have an Intel CPU. We have this really great feature that you're going to like that is going to

save you from those encoding overload errors. It's going to save you from any kind of FPS drop when you're running a particularly demanding game. All of a sudden they're sitting there going okay, I'm using this Intel branded technology. It's helping me with my game streaming.

And I think in terms of mindshare, that could be extremely helpful. I think that's a fair point. Let us go look at that. And I actually, I'm not going to say it already, but I think it may work. But I think we need to go look at it because what I think happening is most of those GPUs are turned off in the BIOS, but we can take it and go look. I'll give you an update. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's one of those things where I'm thinking about this, not from an Intel needs to market better standpoint, necessarily. That's my pitch to you guys, but from a, Hey, I want technology to work better standpoint. It's a very fair request. It is. And, and, and, and yeah. And, and you know what, honestly, there's nothing that offends me more than being treated like I'm not a good enough customer. When I bought my AirPods Pro, Apple basically said, well, f*** you.

You don't need a battery meter. You have an Android. That's all you're reaching for. You don't need to be able to update your firmware because you didn't buy enough Apple products. You can only update your firmware with this thing with an iPhone. Is that right? That is correct. You cannot update your firmware with this thing with an iphone is that right that is correct you

cannot update the firmware by plugging in a lightning port and plugging it into a pc through itunes or whatever they did not create a way to do that and they did that because i am not worthy enough i didn't buy enough apple products and i don don't like it. I think it's arrogant, and I think it's extremely anti-consumer. To move back from Apple, I think you're worthy. I want you to know that I think you're worthy, too. Your whole family loves you, Lance.

And I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me. There's an old reference. Three-pin power connector. Three-pin connector next to the power connectors. Oh, are you able to talk about that? Yeah, it's fine. This three- power connector three pin connector next to the power connectors yes oh are you able to talk about that yeah yeah it's fine

this three pin connector on the card is the can you show it to the card cable maybe they're not really there's a small three pin

connect we can't see it's too dark yeah that is the USB connection to control the RGBs

yeah so it will comes. So it will come with, actually here, it will come with this cable that connects there. Now I noticed that's a super weird USB cable. It goes to a header on a motherboard. It doesn't have all four pins in it. You don't need four. Really? Yeah, because the card has already got power.

I've never seen anybody do that, though. Even on a powered device, that is a super weird implementation is we're weird we're weird dudes man we're weird dudes we do weird things get used to it i'm smart enough people like me damn it all right the quote the quote was close close the next question and this one comes with uh with i think probably a few daggers from the person who asked it but um are there any cutoffs or limitations or anything like that that are put in place uh somewhat artificially in order to separate and not compete from enterprise SKUs yeah i want to

know that because that's something that has offended me a lot on the nvidia side the way that i have wanted to be able to virtualize my gpu course basically since i learned virtualization was a thing and found out that it is the coolest technology that no consumer realizes that they use every day it's turned off on g force right it's turned off on you guys can do that on here he's going to make a bunch of videos about it yeah i sure will i guarantee i sure will the gp i know the gpu supports the virtualization as part of the product that we, I think we still talk about it as Arctic Sound, right? Which is the data center version of this. It does virtualization.

I don't know if it is enabled in the client version. We're a little bit ignorant on that, but I hear you. I want you to know I hear you. Because it's one of those things where the reality of it is i don't even i think this is one of those cases where i can meet you halfway you know when uh when titan was first introduced i think that was actually a pretty reasonable olive branch and turned into such a successful product line that nvidia completely forgot what the purpose for it ever was which was the less cut down fp64 performance right they completely forgot what the point of the product ever was and just turned it

into a halo gaming skew but but i accepted that olive branch of hey it's not quite a quadro it's not quite a g-force it's something else it's a titan if if if you guys were to go back to the product team and say hey um you know what if we what if we compromise what if it's not quite a data center skew because we don't necessarily want data centers just buying up all of our retail inventory because that works great when the crypto miners do it so i'm sure it'll work awesome when the data center guys do it um You know, we do need to retain some kind of differentiation because there is additional, that's the thing you guys got to understand. There is additional validation and additional software and hardware engineering

that goes into creating features that consumers frankly don't care about and will never use. And somebody has to pay for it. And when those somebodies are not tens or hundreds of millions of gamers, but rather dozens or hundreds of enterprise companies, well, the cost has to go up a lot. That's just the way it works. That's business. Otherwise we wouldn't have these features existing at all. So I get it, but I'd love to see a compromise skew. I'm just want to say, I think that's a fair ask, but right now we have just so much going on getting into the market.

That's fair. I can be patient. Just give us a little time. We have got a tremendous consumer gaming card, and we've got actually data center parts that we're launching as well. On our next generation, I would say there's going to be time to think about how do we kind of segment this a little bit better.

EDD666999 says, yeah, NVIDIA and 10-bit color was a great example of this kind of artificial differentiation for too long. And when they finally launched it, consumers were super happy. And guess what? Quadros still sell. Even though they don't call them Quadros anymore.

Wait, so they don't call them Quadros anymore? No. don't call quadro anymore no what do they call it you didn't know that it's just a6000 it's just called nvidia it is the stupidest thing ever see this is what i'm talking about how did i miss the naming problem how did i miss this every because everyone still calls it quadro and they're not and they're not tesla anymore either because nobody understands the branding why would you take a solid well-understood brand and just crap on it so that nobody understands what your product is it's just it's asinine i can't fathom it so we've had a lot of people in chat say that they would buy it if it's supported virtualization uh a non-zero amount of those people being our own staff. So I threw up a poll.

There's a few. So I threw up a poll just asking if people would buy it if it had the support and 84% said yes. And this is the kind of thing that's super important to advocate for internally because those 84% of people literally is 144 people. That's it. It's nothing. Right. It's a drop in the bucket for a

company like intel honestly it's a drop in the bucket for a company like us if 144 of our subscribers were like we're not going to watch your videos anymore we'd be very sad yeah and business would continue as usual the very next day unaffectffected. Except that these are micro-influencers. These are the people who recommend to their friends, who recommend to their friends. These are the point of contact for so many families or friend networks where they learn about who's the good guys in the industry, who is doing things that matter. I don't think you get any argument from us on the value of those individuals and their opinions and point of view. And internally, we have all kinds of designations. Hardware elders is a term that gets used. People who are hardware elders is a term,

which is like the wise old lion on the mountain that right? That like understands everything. Except RAM, yeah. Except latency. And so we see the value of that group. I think what Tom's saying is, we can go ask the questions and see, but I think you want us to focus on, hey, get this out as the best gaming product you possibly do first. And, you know.

But I think it's good to know now, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, we've got to define things now. Yeah, it's good. I mean, you have to be thinking about this stuff because the last thing you want is to draw a line in the sand today that's like,

We're never going to do it. Never! You know, and then end up having to deal with the backlash of drawing the line in the first place. Sure. And then have to create, have to dispel a bunch of then myths about how your product doesn't do it when you ultimately do reverse course. And you know, that's a lot of work.

How many media tours have you had to do where you have to explain like, you know, oh, well, no, we don't actually have that banding anymore. We've got proper 10 bit support on GeForce. It's a little awkward yeah it's a ton of work um all right is there anything else that you guys wanted to go over for us while you're while you're talking to the peeps out there you know i i i don't think so i think um you know my my view on this is really uh the next we'll say couple of months is going to be super interesting we're gonna we're gonna talk directly to uh the gaming community we'll say, couple of months is going to be super interesting. We're going to talk directly to the gaming community.

We're going to talk directly to groups like you guys. And we want to start to tell the story of what this is, talk about the performance, talk about the intricacies, be very honest and truthful and transparent about where we stand with certain game titles or certain functions and the discussions we had today and a follow-up of like your hp notebook review yeah right yeah we we're like we're it's not a great

outcome of that review but i'd say the outcome for us is that people pay attention oh my god yes that was a great review for us actually it was a shitty it was also sorry it was a uh uh uh review for that system. But in terms of getting us to pay attention, I think that was a big step forward. And to be clear, the two people in this room with me are not the people that weren't paying attention, but big companies sometimes have communication challenges.

And honestly, we're at the scale now where we sometimes run into these things. Yeah, we had an incident last week, I think it was where something got put into a video that was offensive to a particular group of people. And all of a sudden, like I, I hadn't, I hadn't seen, I didn't review the video. I didn't like, I don't approve every joke we tell, you know, or, or every, uh, you know, like random text insertion in, in, in our content. And, you and you know that's and sometimes it takes whether it's a member of the public or whether it's a member of the press to come in

and raise those flags so that the right people are paying attention to them so i mean i've always said that we give intel a lot of heat we give them a lot of flack you know whether it's the famous walking in the rain video that's it's yes i know ruffled some feathers it's, whether it's the famous walking in the rain video that I know ruffled some feathers. It's all good. It's all good. Or whether it's the follow up where I literally pretended to be being held hostage by Intel with a literal gun to my head. I know ruffled some feathers for sure. You know, we've definitely given Intel a lot of flack. But one of the things that Intel has over the 10 years now that we've been working with them as an independent media company, the one thing Intel has done well is they've taken their lumps, taken their wins, and worked with us regardless. They've understood that

whether they like it or not, that's our role. Tell the truth. We have to, because otherwise, when you guys release a great product and we say it's great no one's gonna believe me yeah i totally get it and every time that we we do that with another company and they don't handle it well we get to point at intel and be like look they do it well why don't you act more like them i've actually done it a lot of times it's literally happened multiple times yeah oh wow yeah it's like yeah they have a they have a they have they've got some stuff to learn about growing up like they you know yeah they've got a lot of growing up to do. If they can't handle criticism, then basically what that means to me is they don't really

want to make their products better. Right. Because there's a lot of companies where whether it's just the PR reps or whether it's actually a culture that goes all the way to the top where they actually do value a negative review. I do. A critical review. There's no question. Oh, well, I know you do. I know you do. And we review. A critical. I do. A critical review. There's no question. Oh, well, I know you do.

I know you do. And we do. We do. But sometimes, you know, it's hard to sell that as beneficial internally. And I know that. Oh, sure. I had a particularly big blow up

with your previous company over a critical review that wasn't even on my channel. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, with the whole hardware unboxed situation. And, you know, that was an example of whether it was an individual or whether it was a group of individuals, whether it came from leadership. I'm not going to speculate and you're not going to say anything.

I'm definitely not going to say anything. Yeah, that would be for the best. There was a complete misunderstanding of what the value of media is and why they engage with us. There was this calculus that was being done for the cost, the actual bill of materials cost of a review sample

versus the marketing benefit of the finished review. I was like, this is not how this works at all. I have a question about the launch for both of you. Sure. This launch was... Luke's keeping us on topic. He is. He brings us right back.

Drive it back in. This launch was quite abnormal. China launching with your lower SKU, stuff like that. Can you guys talk about the thought process there or anything? Well, Linus, you found out today that we have some sensitivities in the design, especially things around rebar, right? Resizable bar. Resizable bar.

Not like concrete reinforcement. Yeah, and so... Maybe both. Yeah, so some of our thinking was, let's try to restrict the platform set that we're going after. And so that was where the idea came with, well, why don't we do system integrators first? And effectively we can control the motherboard that these guys get plugged into. We can make sure everything's perfect. But I got to tell you,

we've learned a lot. I don't think we would do this again, that particular cycle. I don't know. And what we've also learned is that things are not going to stay small. Things are going to go big. And so I think all of this learning has said, let's just kind of move forward, right? And we're going to say, we're going to get samples of the A380 into the hands of press here in the United States and Europe that want it. And we're just going to be open and transparent. Did you just say here in the United States? I'm sorry, here in Canada. Apologize. Oh, Canada. Okay. All right. I get it. I get it. We're like 20 minutes from the border. I don't know if we get

to be on. No, you definitely can. Yeah. So going forward though, what's really interesting is we keep talking about launch as if that's a moment in time. And I really think that's almost old thinking because there's not really a launch per se anymore, mostly. Fair enough. Where we kind of like build up, we get everybody together. We all sit in a room. We talk to you for two hours or two days and then we're done and you go home and that's not going to happen this time. Right. So think of it like we are starting to work with you and we're working with others and we're telling our story sort of episodically. Sure. And I think that's going to be much more appropriate for where we are today. Like how do we consume

media today? I think as well to throw you guys. March in progress. Work in progress. Yeah. To throw you guys a bone to, I think, this, like, I don't know what you'd call it, sort of tour. Roundtable. That you guys are doing. Yes.

Because it's not just us. Yeah, that's true. I think that is actually a very good idea. Because, like, this is very different than what we saw previously. The tone and conversation needs to change a little bit. Yeah. And having you guys come out directly, I think, luke i appreciate that it's not often that people say nice things to us they're hanging out with this guy yeah it's very rare it's very rare very

rare um okay so the last my my kind of last word is the reason that I care so much about Intel entering the discrete GPU space is because it has been very clear to me that while AMD has absolutely had a presence at times, we all had a good laugh about some of the AMD GPUs that we have on our shelf and how utterly irrelevant they were. They didn't participate. They were actually very professional intel representatives i laughed i laughed we all laughed i mean because they've released skews that were essentially just we have we have some crazy chips and we have no idea what to do with these

done a run of cards and then they've just completely disappeared from the market and gamers sometimes like almost none of themrest of Light are left going, what just happened? So from my point of view, the discrete GPU market has essentially been a monopoly for a very, very long time. And I want, I am rooting for Intel to come in, not necessarily because I'm even going to run an Arc GPU.

I'm making no commitments about that whatsoever. But what I want is a true viable other option for gamers. I want something to disrupt the monopoly and I want you guys to come in and be the good guy. I want you to play the underdog in a way that I don't think Intel's really accustomed to doing. It's very true. Has that been difficult culturally there um i don't know i don't know if i would consider it difficult right i think you have to get some of the people on the teams in a little bit of a different mindset right but but it's actually empowering them because we always feel like this this tour this kind of serial launch this episodic launch

thing is a is something you do when you do when you're the underdog, when you're scrappy, right? If you're launching 13th gen whatever, right? Yeah, crank the crank. You've done it 12 times before. You've done this a bunch. You know you're already the leader. You know you're going to be the leader the next time.

You just do it, right? And so it's actually opened up options for us as the graphics group to come out and do things different. How many times in our discussions here today, you ask us a question and Tom and I are like, just answer it. Because I

remember saying, can we show blah, blah, blah? I'm like, I guess, yeah, sure you can. You know? All right. Well, hey, thank you guys very much for being here. It was awesome. Thank you. I think this is where you guys get to go get some dinner.

Thank you, sir. Hey, we actually get to like handshake. I love it. Each other in person. Yeah. I don't know what the right. Is there a clean way to exit? No, no, no.

You're going to have to walk right in front of the camera. Goodbye, everybody. Thanks. See you guys. See you. Bye, guys. Drive safe. Safe travels and

all that good stuff bye and i think now is a perfect time to mention that apparently you can actually buy that shirt that ryan was wearing it is 63 dollars and 15 cents according to dark 24 in the floatplane chat i oh it's on the Intel store. I am bringing this up. No, it's discounted to $56.80. I don't know if you're aware of this, but there it is. There it is on the intelstore.com, which I did not even know was a thing.

It's called the Intel Arc Raven Jersey. There you go. All right. So see you later. I don't know how many of those you guys are going to actually sell based on Ryan's appearance here. They have eight.

They have eight in stock. Yeah. Oh, I see. Okay, well. I honestly think they're going to be gone. Fewer than eight. Let's go ahead and jump into our sponsors and then we've got some really big announcements for you guys as well as a bunch of topics that we didn't really get to

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So what are you waiting for? Head to nordsecurity.com slash WAN or click the link in the show notes. What do you want to talk about first? I want to talk about our events. Yeah, I guess we should do that. We have some big updates like kind of across the board.

If I deviate from the script, I think I will actually... Nick Light threatened to kick me in the teeth. I think I have a James Bond pass. A what? A license to kill. Oh, did he talk to you?

Yeah. I see. We are doing a pop-up shop. The LTT backpack is here. Dan, are you still here? Do you want to grab those backpacks? They're behind you. Oh.

Oh. They were hiding. they're black okay these are top of production first off the line units it's here but in very very limited quantities there will be 250 pieces available tomorrow it will not be online it's one backpack per person and it is in person only um are we announcing the address right now i guess we should right if it's in the dock just say what's in the dock say what's in the dock just say what's in the dock is this address right this doesn't look right um it is also on twitter so you are fine it looks correct uh that's six digits that's too long oh is it unit 111 or something oh no it's unit six okay uh well i'm very nervous about this i think one of the 11s at the beginning is not there i I'm going to check on... Yeah, that would be great. If you could just double check that.

Yeah. Okay. Anyway, it's going to be in Richmond, BC on Anesis Island. The pop-up is around the back of the unit by the bay doors, not where Google will direct you. This is not a meetup or a meet and greet. It's an opportunity to be one of the first 250 people to buy the LTT backpack.

Luke and I are not going to be there. If you're not able to make it, don't worry. I am going to explain why we are doing this. There's a business reason for doing this. It actually cost us, I think somewhere in the neighborhood of $60 to $70 per unit to have these 250 air shipped from the factory to us here. So the rest of them, well, they're in production, they're going to be shipped overseas, but it's going to take a while. The problem is that we have had some cash flow challenges, and this is a way for us to solve them without compromising our principles, which is that we don't believe that people should preorder something entirely sight unseen from, you know, essentially you're like we've never made a backpack before. Right. Like we're not talking. This is the the refreshed version of a thing you already had and already liked.

So we're trying to are we deviating from the? So what we're doing is we are, we air shipped in these units that we're not going to make nearly as much money on. We're still making some margin. We're not like losing our shirts here or anything like that. But we air shipped in 250 units. We are going to sell them in person at the pop-up shop which is at 11 411 blacksmith place unit number six in richmond and once people have bought it they can leave a review they can share their

completely independent thoughts on it at that time it will not become a pre-order it will become a back order and we will open up web orders so you will be able to get in line so so there will be legitimate 250 legitimate potential reviews from actual customers that actually own the product yes are able to bring it home are able to throw stuff on it bring it to school like people might not review it the second they buy it no they haven't used it yet so reviews are going to come up after people use it for maybe a week or two or whatever. But we need time to get stock anyways. So it doesn't matter.

People are asking scalper protections, one per customer. And it's in person. It'll be fine. I'm not expecting people to scalp the backpack. There's only so much you can do about scalp protection. Yeah, and it's happening tomorrow morning. We are intentionally giving people like 15 hours of notice what does this work out to yeah it'll be at 10 from 10 a.m to 12 noon it'll be 324.99 canadian plus tax and it'll be again at 11 4 11 blacksmith place unit number 6

in richmond it's also on twitter like lu Luke said. Oh, okay. Nick says back orders will start shipping around the end of August pending any shipping delays, which are very common right now. And when you are there, you will have the option to buy some other LTT gear and carry it away in your backpack. If for whatever reason we don't have any backpacks left, um, which I think is unlikely. We intentionally didn't give people a ton of notice so that they don't need to drop everything they're doing and book a flight or something like that's not what we want happening here. You think we're not going to sell them all tomorrow? I think it's, I think it's possible. I think it's also possible that we could have sold five times as many. It's, it's impossible

for me to gauge stuff like this. I have no idea. But we wanted to hedge our, we wanted to err on the side of not giving people a ton of notice, not doing it as a meetup or offering any other incentive for anybody to be there, because there isn't a ton of parking. It's very small, very unofficial. But while you're there, you will have the option to buy other LTT gear. And if there isn't a backpack at the very small, very unofficial. But while you're there, you will have the option to buy other LTT gear. And if there isn't a backpack at the very least, you can pick something else up and there'll be no shipping,

but it's only for those two hours, 10 a.m. to noon. No cash, by the way. Someone asked about cash. It is all in Canadian because we're putting up a location. Yeah, I think legally we have to accept Canadian. There's technically ways around it, but we are not doing those because it's an online store, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But it's going to be in Canadian. It's going to be in person and no cash. It's just cards. No screwdriver will not be there to those of you asking. Screwdriver is not ready yet. Like the design is done i actually got to show it to uh to tom and ryan which was pretty fun because they were like wow this has been like a long time in the in the making and i'm like yeah two and a half years they're like oh wow but what was really cool was one of the things we're going to do for the screwdriver pop-up which we are planning is we're

going to have competing drivers there yeah whether it's from vera klein snap-on we're going to have tons of competing drivers and so we actually have those already we bought them uh because we're going to send them to us yeah and so i was able to give them the one golden unit we have the one final unit we have with all the fixes applied and all these other drivers and be like, so what do you think? I'm not going to spoil it, but I'm bullish on the launch. I'll say that much. All right.

When will the backorder open? I don't think we have finalized exactly when back orders will open but if you've already signed up for an like an in-stock notification you will receive a notification that we are taking back orders so that tool is not super granular so it's just going to be like 54 000 emails or whatever yeah at once yeah if you get that email place your order because otherwise there is literally a snowball's chance in hell that you are getting one of the first cut like if you want something for back to school um you you gotta get on the first wave you make sure you're gonna need to be on the first order. I think they're going to be spaced out either a few weeks

or a month apart after that, each 10,000 units. So if you have something that you can limp along with for the first week of school or something like that, but you want to have it for the start of the year-ish, I'm not promising it'll actually be there start of the year, then you're going to want to be on that first wave. All right. promising it'll actually be there start of the year um then you're going to want to be on that first wave all right people ask what about bots there are no bots it is in person it's in person it's in person cannot buy it online there you have to buy it with your face being there yeah we will not give you a second one it's very simple yeah all right what else do you want to talk about uh the other event updates oh do we

have updates on the other event whale land there's a sneak peek of the event page which is oh really not actually that interesting oh okay well i'm gonna bring it up anyway but it's there oh my god this logo logo is awesome okay yeah so i did mean the page not the logo the page is just kind of sort of i mean it's a thing as a map i guess but the logo is super legit oh wow okay we're doing merch with that logo right i would certainly hope so yeah i believe we are well i'm not certain though oh man but yeah updates for for whale land there's a current event map there's that sneak peek of the event page which shows their super cool logo oh event map i want to see the event map i haven't even seen this is it any good tickets will go on sale tuesday at 12 p.m next week we'll send out links to the event page

on social media and the forum before tickets go live full ticket details will be available on the event page prior slash during ticket sales the regular ticket will be 100 canadian dollars the whale ticket the whale ticket tbd gonna be a lot uh the whole point is that it's a whale ticket. The numbers I've heard thrown around internally are not hundreds. Yeah. Yeah. But regular tickets, they get you quite a bit.

I don't see exact details about what they get you here in regards to like desk space and stuff like that. So I won't say them, but I will say what I've seen so far spec'd out is a lot more than what you get at normal land um by the way massive shout outs ubiquity fs.com and infinite cables uh those guys have actually sponsored us the gear that we need to run the event uh ubiquity sent over 20 network switches we are going to get 10 gig to each desktop switch. So we're going to have almost full gig to every user,

which is kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of cool. Um, fs.com sent all the transceivers that we need to connect them, including some long distance transceivers, because we're going to be going all the way from this building to that one

for internet. There's going to be a video about that i guarantee it and infinite cables sent literally thousands of feet of ethernet patch cables so massive massive shout out to those guys really excited where's this page there's just a picture of it yeah it's just a picture of it yeah tickets did you say when tickets will go on sale yep tuesday 12 p.m yeah and this one you can fly out for like this one yeah we're accepting online orders for tickets oh someone in floatplane chat said if the price isn't 69 69 6969 dollars we will riot that's a pretty good idea yeah well there's also 6 942 cents yeah That's not bad either.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see, guys. We're definitely going to... So the point is not to rip off land. The point is whale land. So one of the challenges is coming up with enough value add

to justify charging that kind of price for a ticket. Some really cool ideas. But it's going to be unattainable for the vast majority of people, which is why regular ticket, while still not like the cheapest thing to do in the world, it's a three-day event. And like we have to rent all this, all these tables and all this stuff.

Well, it's like two days. It bridges three days. It does. But it's a two-day event. I just want to clarify that. Okay. Yeah, there's not much events happening outside of the two days.

It happens over three days. He right yes all right all right what's next um your favorite topic of the night oh no really do we have to talk about that i think it's a fine fine i'm just it's a thing to bring up it's just depressing uh unity acquires iron source an ad tech company uh the ceo of unity let me see here unity ceo john whoa rissa t john john i've heard his last name said before but i i don't remember how to say it. He used to be EA CEO from 2007 to 2013. He has called people who make games for art instead of profit before the most beautiful, pure, and brilliant people. And he's also called them some of the biggest fucking idiots that exist. So he's an interesting person. And he's running the show over there and he's integrating

this ad company iron source, which isn't just a random ad company because iron source has been caught doing lots of super, super, super shady things in the past. Um, they are logged on a bunch of like malware tracking websites. Uh, they've done really shady, like click jacking stuff. They're like not exactly the most clean, you know, ad company out there. Iron Source. So this also comes with them laying off.

We don't know how many people. Unity says just over 200 people or about 4% of its former staff. But staff are saying it's more than that. And people are guessing that it's around 300 to 400 people. So who knows? So they laid off a bunch of people, bought this company. They've also been buying a ton of other companies because that is absolutely...

What you do when you lay people off. The way to go in gaming right now is buy all the other companies. Gaming is consolidating as hard as it possibly can right now it's brutal um oh did it not work apparently not don't worry about it awesome um we should really just get go s go xlrs um uh what was i gonna say yeah so they they've recently bought ziva dynamics in January, a digital character creator. Pixiz Software, a data handling company. Speedtree, an environment developer.

Parsec, the whole remote desktop thing that we were talking about earlier in the show is now owned by Unity. Weta Digital, a VFX platform. And SyncSketch, a collaboration tool maker. They have bought all of those fairly recently. So they're trying to be like Microsoft and Sony and everybody else.

Well, that's good for the industry. Yeah, awesome. All right. Well, I don't know what this means for the future of Unity. I mean- Bad things. Overall, Unity's perception in the gaming industry

has still been pretty good i mean until now but yeah this this could just be the first and uh in a series of horrible moves only time will tell yeah unreal is dropping unreal 5 and like changing what people see as the future video games uh fidelity wise and unity is trying to give you more ads yeah um which is neat i guess pretty cool uh sony announces playstation stars loyalty program this is launching apparently later this year and is free to join and you can earn rewards by completing campaigns and activities so an example would be a monthly check-in campaign that requires you to play just any game to receive a reward kind of smacks of desperation but okay here we go there's other campaigns and activities including competing in tournaments

earning specific trophies or being the first player in a particular time zone to platinum a blockbuster title that's cool playstation plus members earn more rewards than non-subscribers and does not replace sony rewards the idea was to create a program that honors the role PlayStation may have had in someone's life. That's a really weird note. I have no idea what that means. What a lofty goal. It's named after stars because stars are, apparently,

unbound and limitless. Okay. Lining up with Sony's slogan, Play Has No Limits. Alright. Frankly, this is feeling kind of cringe this is weird all playstation stars members will have the opportunity to earn loyalty points and they can redeem them in a catalog which may include psn wallet funds and select playstation store products so in-game achievements essentially now have real value tied to them is it a matter of

time until you can buy achievements so we have a cash achievement store that you can then redeem for PSN wallet funds. Oh my goodness. And all the currencies are just into it. We're going to have like a real-time Sony currency exchange market. I think some of the marketing around this is weird and cringe, like you said earlier. But I don't think it's a bad idea. I think rewarding, like they're talking about like a speed't think it's a bad idea. I think rewarding... They're talking about a speedrun

to platinum a game in a certain time zone. Rewarding players that are going to be that enthusiastic for your games. I guess so. It doesn't seem very scalable. Maybe reward the first thousand or something. I don't know. But you just make a race. They could do that in the future.

They could scale it up and they they talked about how like there's there's i suspect there's going to be a variety of different types of rewards and those types of things um but they're they're they're rewarding their super hardcores which makes sense to me floatplane chat speculating that it's a matter of time before they just are all NFTs. There's no indication if these digital collectibles that they are going to be able to reward people with can be traded or sold. Language used makes them sound a little bit like NFTs, but Sony VP Grace Chen says it is not leveraging any blockchain technology

and definitely is not NFTs. I mean, we've talked about this before. You can accomplish a lot of the things that people think about when they think of an NFT without using blockchain or anything like that and being way more energy efficient and all that type of stuff, but just not using those types of security methods. And I mean, yeah, totally unnecessary. So sounds good. Great.

We've got really good feedback from someone on Twitch. I think I've gotten over LTT. I'll need to push this content away. Now the content is just too mainstream. The old content was better. Yeah, we went really mainstream talking about like RAM latency and frequency trade-offs with RAM with like, you know, the engineer who worked on XMP. That was super mainstream.

Definitely. That was super mainstream. To be clear, you don't have to like the content. It's not for everybody, but I don't think mainstream is the issue. We should probably respond to some comments from people who sent merch messages. Do you want to hit us with some of those, Bill?

Oh, actually, you know what we should really do is talk about whatever the LTT store thing that's going on this week is. messages. Do you want to hit us with some of those, Bill? Oh, actually, you know what we should really do is talk about whatever the LTT store thing that's going on this week is. We had our guests on for so long, we couldn't really weave this stuff into the rest of the video. Is it just the pop-up? Oh, wait, yeah. I guess, do we not have anything to talk about? I think

we did it. I don't see it anywhere in here. Okay. Well, in case anyone just needed to pick up something at the store and they wanted to send a merch message, what do we got, Bill? First one here from Joshua. Hey, guys case anyone just needed to pick up something at the store and they wanted to send a merch message, what do we got, Bell? First one here from Joshua. Hey, guys. According to you, over the years, which company, except Intel, has shown the most growth in a positive way? Shown the most growth in a positive way. I wouldn't even necessarily... You said except Intel. I don't think we were talking about it being growth with intel intel has always taken hits and and still been there that wasn't a growth

point that was just something that they've always been good at um man that's really hard to say because i think most of the companies that have a super toxic culture that doesn't enable them to take feedback well uh it comes from the top you know and until there's a major it's not going to change leadership change yeah i mean i've only been in the industry for 10 years which is a long time but it's well i'll get like 12 or 13 but but it's it's not a lifetime right so a lot of the companies that we work with still have exactly the same leadership they had when I started like Corsair, their founder, Andy is still, still there in his office. Like, um, so companies that,

that have a good culture like Corsair, like Intel, um, and Intel is less about that the same leadership is there and more that they've just grown far beyond any one individual being capable of moving the whole ship though I mean I would say counterpoint to that is that Pat Gelsinger has actually seemed to make an enormous difference I've almost shifted back and been like maybe it is Intel even though they said except Intel because they brought Pat in Noctua? No Noctua has always been cool Noctua is like the same

In a good way Samsung has always like cheated on benchmarks and gotten salty when they get caught I don't know A lot of the companies are acting very similarly to how they did when I first started paying attention, at least. Corsair is still trying to make everything in the world. They were trying to do that before.

They just have more of them now. I guess it depends on how you define growth. I think that was the context of it. I think so, too. What else you got for us? From Ryan. I'm wondering what you guys think of the Polium 1 console. but yeah, I think that was the context of it, but I think so too. What else you got for us from Ryan? I'm wondering what you guys think of the polium one console and the graphics for them.

A quick three word summary to give them would be NFT crypto console. Oh, that thing. Yeah. It's just stupid. I don't know. Polium was just dumb. It's a,

it's a web three. It's just, it's just dumb. A console for web three gaming there's a dedicated button on your controller that is for your crypto wallet and like all this what yeah what even is it up to 120 frames per second yeah it's awesome i super cool love it when you see game console marketing that is up to some frame rate at what resolution at what render quality obviously you know not uh at this resolution obviously not with this on scroll down to it's

a multi-chain console play games that are built on immutable x okay are these are these actual games this one's twice this one's listed twice um what one's listed twice uh grit is listed twice oh that's just like it's resuming oh okay oh okay yes it's not actually listed twice my favorite thing was just that the first app listed is wallet i just find that very entertaining controller that is built for web3 gaming yeah because it has a wallet button what does yeah what does that even and it has like a bio biometric scanner i believe in order to unlock your wallet or something but why do you need it when you're gaming? It's like OUYA, but with blockchain. Look at this roadmap.

I stole that from AJ. Pulliam Pass Profile Picture Airdrop? Dude, it's a Web3 project. It has to have a roadmap that means basically nothing. GameTag claim? Why does that take a year? It's been found to be a scam, I believe, says Ducky Luitznipa. I i mean it was a scam regardless of whether they were actually going to build this thing no way estimated launch date 2024 oh it's not even a thing so it's just renders we are building it it will be worth the wait it's the future of gaming

okay it is uh so what just what just happened i just the polium pass will grant you access to the polium ecosystem you have to buy an nft to get the polium pass i don't know i don't even understand this i wish that would be so awesome no tbd no you can't even well it's a bad scam because you can't even do it okay well good luck with that. Why don't we jump into another topic? Oh, no. Dr. Disrespect. Let's fans playtest his game if they buy an NFT. Midnight Society, this is not a group of children in the woods telling stories, released a roadmap for their new game codenamed Project Moon.

Project Moon will be a PvPvE FPS that is created openly and transparently one snapshot build at a time. That's going well for Star Citizen. Okay, you went there. Snapshots will be vertical slices playable every six weeks, exclusively available to Access Pass holders. The original run of Access Passes called Founders founders passes were supposedly sold at a cost of $50 to 10,000 people.

That is half a million of dollars. That is half a million dollars. They applied and filled out a form back in March. The form was designed to keep scalpers away and included things like their social handles, usernames on consoles consoles and a questionnaire about their gaming experience and play style they claim they received 400 000 applications wow scamming people seems to be super lucrative should i get into it no seems like it seems like it would be you know okay here's my deal okay if you want to win but win without morals it's quite easy yeah so i'll start scamming people okay i will double my money nice and i'll pay you another 10 to keep you quiet that's that's a pretty

high percentage actually that seems like a good deal that's a lot yeah well no no not 10 of the total i'm gonna keep most of that 10 more than you have now oh that's i mean that's still pretty good okay yeah i'm not down though it's's a good offer, but I refuse. The people out there that are taking this seriously. Because it's going to happen. Good gravy, you guys. A, if I was actually considering this, I wouldn't talk about it on the WAN show. Okay.

And B, no, come on. Okay. Several people on Reddit have reported receiving their invitation to purchase those passes only in the last couple of weeks. Players that were not selected to receive an access pass are apparently able to purchase NFTs on the open market, but a very quick search on OpenSea revealed no record of any selling yet. Feedback from access pass holders is then to be implemented in future builds of the game. Founders pass holders will apparently get invited to a party In LA on July 29th Oh wow

That's in like two weeks Nice So is this just $50 For early access to a game And some early bird perks And if so Does it need to be NFTs does it need to be web 3

Definitely doesn't Does it give you access to the game once it's out Or do you just have the NFT Proving that you were like an alpha member Or whatever I do not know That is a wonderful question Not sure

Oh man In other news BMW It sucks so much Nevermind we're not moving on sorry i just the game concept sounds cool and like when you hear dr d talk about shooters and stuff like that he's super knowledgeable he used to be a level designer like he's with his guidance this game could be really awesome and then it's just being tainted for no good reason well i guess there is a

reason maximum i don't necessarily agree that it's good he might think that it's good it's gonna make a lot of money yeah that's good from a business standpoint yeah so like and i i get that part but it's just like man like do you have to the whole like world is moving away from this stuff could you drop it can you drop it part way through like Like, can you do NFTs for this part? Sure, whatever you already committed to it, just do it and then just drop it. Like, don't have it be a part of the game launch. That would be so much better.

Please. Because it's probably going to be a great game. Unarmed Toaster over on Floatplane goes, credit where credit is due. The doc has picked the right combo to scam and make sure the government doesn't enforce any fraud laws. Crypto? Check. Video games? Check. Kickstarter? Check. has picked the right combo to scam and make sure the government doesn't enforce any fraud laws crypto check video games check kickstarter check can we please get a tech scam bingo card in the ltt stuff yeah like man come on i just it could be so good and this year's actually been pretty

good for gaming and like i i know that's not coming out this year whatever but like we're kind of picking the roll up again we we got some really good launches this year there was a few kind of dead years there we're picking it back up again it would be great for this game to actually be really good please just drop the like weird nft crap and make it a good game all right there's one more thing I want to talk about Before I play some minor VGA On stream Okay What is it? I want to talk about BMW requiring you to pay

A subscription to use seatwaters So didn't we talk about literally this? Yes Years ago I didn't think we just guessed this though like when someone doing it already when someone linked me to this i was like wasn't this already a thing i don't think for bmw tesla was doing it yeah what tesla was doing subscriptions for seat warmers uh well i don't know if it was a subscription but it was certainly an unlock you guys will have to you

guys will have to let us know but yes it was absolutely a dlc anyway the latest version of this nonsense is that in south korea bmw launched heated seats in their vehicles if you pay 18 a month this joins a host of other subscription features in their connected drive store that includes driving assistant plus high beam assist and others back in 2019 after bmw tried to put carplay and i believe android auto behind a subscription wall in the u.s for 80 a year that is or 300 for 20 years they relented and made the feature standard on all new models what were you gonna say uh i was i was just maybe it was one of the other features because they said they're adding it to their their car play whatever thing so maybe it was some other feature we were

talking about but i was like i was pretty sure we had talked about bmw and subscription stuff for their cars before uh but yeah i mean we've been telling everyone this is coming for the better part of a deck yeah i think this is this is one of the like oldest and most prolific like wanshow uh uh prophecies everything as a service yeah absolutely your entire life as a service you will never own anything you're not going to be allowed to own anything you will just subscribe to absolutely everything i mean i didn't even realize this, but when James bought his Model 3, the lease terms for Tesla do not allow you to buy out the lease at the end of the term. It goes back to Tesla, presumably to be part of their robo fleet or whatever, meaning that when you lease a Tesla, you own absolutely nothing. You're renting it.

you own absolutely nothing. You're renting it. Yeah. And that's a model that is going to be a thing. And the reason that they are not allowing him to buy it out is so that that car can be used as a car as a service, robo-taxi essentially, if they ever get their full self-driving figured out. I didn't actually read the quote,

but apparently Daddy Elon was somewhat realistic about a self-driving update recently. Instead of just saying, yeah, it's like right around the corner. We got this. We'll see. Apparently Tesla also just lost their AI lead. Yes, I saw that. Yeah, that's pretty rough. Apparently we have talked about specifically BMW seat warmers before.

We talked about it about a year ago. Oh, all right. Well, there you go. Now we know. I don't know if maybe we heard like a leak or something, and now it's actually here or what, but yeah. Now it's time to play minor VGA. That's right.

This is Minecraft before Minecraft. You don't craft anything. You just make money. Oh, okay. If you press up here, it goes, you can't fly, dummy. before Minecraft. You don't craft anything. You just make money. Oh, okay. If you press up here, it goes, you can't fly, dummy.

There's like a feed. There's a feed here. You can see here if you want. So you go up. If you want to go down, it says try the elevator. I forget the buttons. Restoring your game.

I got a scooch to see this. Oh, what just happened? I pressed C. Oh, wow. Broke C. Oh, wow. Broke it. Oh, wow. Okay, restart this game. Here we go.

Miner VGA. I love those graphics. Please wait while I load the sprite. Here we go. Here we go. Arrow keys to move the miner. Top, bottom. How do you enter E? The reason why this is happening right now is Linus was getting confused about how to get into launch and play Minecraft.

And his son had to give him some tech tips. And he felt, you know, emasculated about it. So now he has to show that minor VGA is superior. Okay. D for drill, P for pump water, and Y to initiate a dynamite blast. So let's remember all that. A dynamite blast. Yeah, there's dynamite.

So do you have to like, you said to make money. Do you have to like buy stuff like dynamite? So here's the store. I'm definitely going to need a shovel. So that is now in my inventory here. I will definitely need a pickaxe. Oh, no, no. Money does not last very long oh do these things

like break in this game durability uh yeah they will break oh um i will definitely need a bucket just in case and i don't remember everything else that i might need i don't remember what the point of the bar is what's the what's the of the bar is. What's the water bucket for? The water bucket is for in case it floods. Okay, this will cash in your stuff, so we're going to exit to leave the bank. Are you guys enjoying this Let's Play?

We're playing some minor VGA here. We're actually announcing right now that we're releasing a gaming channel. It's not going to be gaming news or anything like that. It's just going to be Linus playing DOS games. immediately people start subscribing on twitch no no no no no there's this is not gaming okay so we're gonna go oh oh okay there was a bit of a cave in there we lost 14 of our health and it came what happens if you die is it just over uh okay i think i have already reached a um a non-progression scenario.

If you click into these like, I don't know, squiggly things, it causes cave-ins. So... Granite is too hard to dig. Okay. He died in the mine.

Yeah, I only have... Granite is too hard to dig i cannot get back to the elevator so would you need dynamite to blast out of the way or uh yeah and i don't have any well too bad there's no microtransactions that allow me to i mean i guess we can dig for a bit longer you at least don't lose health when you try to dig granite here. Oh, huh. I can't believe how quickly that got bad. Wait, Luke, you serious? No, I'm not serious.

We're not launching a gaming Let's Play VOD channel on YouTube anytime soon. By the way, you might have noticed at this point that my bank account goes down every time I move. Oh. Yeah. We should tell Dr. Disrespect about that. Oh, God, it flooded. That'd be really good for his game. So I'm down to only $572 now.

I finally found one unit of silver. Oh, I found nuggets of gold. This is good. This is good. Oh, I got a cave-in, but I found one unit of silver oh i found nuggets of gold this is good this is good oh i got a cave in but i found some gold silver oh my goodness more silver oh wow oh i've actually got some stuff it would be really oh my goodness you can't go through the surface at all you have to go through the elevator oh absolutely i might not have enough money to get around this flood. Hold on. Oh my. Okay. Alright, if we can find a way. Does anybody

know how to get back in the elevator? Because that would be great. Maybe we can can we pickaxe this thing? Do you remember the I never played this game. The buttons? No, but I said remember something. Oh.

No. Has anyone ever heard of this game before? I remember V being one of the keybinds. Miner VGA keybinds. Yeah, I can't. I can't get back to the

elevator. Go to the bottom and press B no no that's not anything I googled minor VGA keybinds and one of the first results was the star citizen alpha controls and keybindings nice that's very funny nice

nice oh you need to give us the kickstarter hammer update oh it was a no no tell us about it tell us about okay after after the stream last time luke was like holy crap there's an actual update can you bring it up uh i can work on that if you want to keep playing minor vga for a bit um i mean yeah i'm down to play some minor vga i'm gonna go ahead and take another crack at this if that's okay with everyone yeah i love this your health was 30 your final account balance was 148 thanks for playing minor vga hope you had a good time

may the hair on your toes never fall off frodo press it continue Frodo. Press A, Q, continue. Oh, I love it. Oh, man. Okay. Alright, guys. We are going to need to get some dynamite this time. And dynamite is Y. How do I place dynamite? That's not clear. Okay. P for pump water, D for drill granite. Alright. We got this. Is it possible that buy in place is the same key bind yes that's entirely possible so we're gonna head to the store we

definitely need a shovel that makes your digging much easier uh we you know i'm gonna get a drill instead of a pickaxe this time a durable drill sir uh okay dynamite is 300 though you guys saw how much digging i had to do to find any silver like i'm gonna if i buy all the equipment i'm gonna run out of money i'm gonna before i even find a single thing that i can cash in i'm gonna show you my password for this kickstarter thing so i make my cast passwords uh phrases right i can't say it out loud for obvious reasons but there'll be there'll often be something i either said recently or thought or heard or whatever yes um and i just this one just made me laugh i didn't know that was the password you guys won't get to know what it is but it's very funny oh my goodness

how rude apparently i don't know what was going on i don't remember making that to know what it is, but it's very funny. Oh my goodness. How rude. Apparently. I don't know what was going on. I don't remember making that. You know what? I'm going to fly close to the sun again. I'm not buying dynamite. I can't afford it. Oh boy. Okay.

We're going to go down a little deeper this time. And we're going to kind of clear out some... Oh my goodness, the way it reloads like that. We're going to try to clear out some space next to the elevator shaft here. Oh, we found streaks of silver. Six silver. Okay, granite is too hard to dig. Okay, we're going to try and drill the granite though.

Oh yeah, we drilled that granite. It done got drilled. Oh, it costs money to drill granite though. Maybe we just don't drill granite. Sandstone easy digging. I'm down to $458 and I have seven... Oh, I found gold. Crap.

So does that automatically pay you or do you have to go sell it? You have to go sell it. The spring is really bad. I hit it twice because I didn't react in time and it filled up with more water. Springs are awful and you can you can like pump the water out but it's very expensive and there's a good chance you'll die okay we've got a cave in here okay but we survived i have 72 health and i'm down to nine

dollars in my bank account that is as far as i explored we need to go to the bank and we need to see how much we can sell these streaks of silver and nuggets of gold for all right i've got it by the way we have 485 okay well why don't you give the update while i continue to try to stay alive here so we have the the coal hammer update. It's kind of like sad and somewhat of a nothing burger. I'll go over it. I was rooting for the coal bar. There is progress. Really?

There is. Well, theoretically. Theoretical. Theoretical progress. Progress. We'll talk about. There was regression. And then there was reprogress, i should say they they reprogged

seriously so hello everyone i don't know i don't think i'm gonna read the whole thing it's like really long uh i think you should read the whole thing okay fine hello we're back is the name of the update this is update number 93 uh this is we are now in the year 2022 just because you didn't know i backed this i believe like 2012 2013 around there wow um hello everyone well it's been ages since the last update not going to beat around the bush but covet absolutely killed us we were all ready to go with the new gears and positive outcome with unofficial load testing uh but then we were dropped by modern forge which was their the forge company they were going to work with. So the people that were going to make it dropped them.

In addition, my wife and myself were very ill with COVID to the point where we both were deathly ill, especially my wife, who at one point I thought we lost. I won't go into detail, but it was bad, very, very bad. It has taken us months to recover in our personal and financial lives. Oh, wow. I thought it might be over for Colbar, as we could not find any forging facilities that would take us on. We wanted to keep everything US-based,

but everyone was and is in the same boat. Labor and raw material shortages. And it just ends there, but you know what I mean. We even searched Canada mexico to no avail i thought we would uh have to wait until everything got back to normal but we finally found an outfit willing to help it was a small miracle um as it is virtually impossible for startups to get forging our new facility is i don't know if he should have name dropped the person in here oh um but he did so our new facility is green bay drop forge in wi which i

think is wisconsin yep um our contact there is i don't know i'm gonna skip that it's on screen whatever uh scott stutzman um please don't be mean seriously they've been through they're like they've been through a lot the don't like yeah first of all don't troll the cold bar hammer people and also don't troll their forge people like yeah just leave them alone we shouldn't have to say that but we do for yeah we all owe him scott a great deal of uh gratitude as cold bar would be dead in the water if it weren't for him and gbdf uh we have assembled the new team which I will introduce in another update. We have some of the same team members, but also

some new faces as we give this thing another shot. This is a long update. They have to semi-reorg. All these updates are super long. Every single one is massive. They have to semi-reorg because it's been, I think, over a year since they had that previous forging partner, etc.

As far as updates go, I'm no longer updating unless I think over a year since they had that previous forging partner, etc. Right. As far as updates go, I'm no longer updating. Unless we have something concrete to share. Don't be mean, but them updates have been pretty far apart. There has just been too much negativity and outright harassment. And this is probably kind of true of me and my family. I just can't take that anymore. So I will simply be posting updates as things happen, but most likely won't be commenting. Case in point. And then he shows some screenshots of some comments that happened on the Kickstarter. Somebody who renamed their account, never getting my coal bar.

He said, if anyone wants to update their profile picture with sad coal with a sad coal here's the image look at that i just provided more than this project ever has i mean i understand people being upset about not getting it but yeah at this point um there was another rough one so he posted that a few times and then he posted uh this was started in 2013 at the current decay rate of human tissue i'm fairly certain cole's body will be considered human compost by the time anything is and then it trails off yeah so it got a lot more negative clearly unnecessary um the the like picture is like pretty bad that last one that i just read is like

way too far and you should not do that stuff that's really stupid um moving on from there uh he said i can't even begin to tell you how long is this we're almost done this is why i said i didn't want to read the whole thing all right um i can't even begin to tell you how this broke my father's heart but this is the reason we don't update much unless we have something uh after what we've been through over the last couple years i just don't have the mental capacity right now. I will be delegating some of the updating responsibilities as well so I can focus on

pre-production. We have more updates with the forging process now that we have another opportunity to produce the coal bar. Thank you for your time. This is one of those things where there's like a how understanding I am scale and it starts very high

because you don't expect anything immediately and then it goes very low because it's like time to deliver the product and then it actually starts to go up again because if they're still trying after all that time that's you gotta kind of respect the hustle that's kind of how i feel about it because i have been legitimately burned on a couple's yeah kickstarters oh me too i i literally got one person who like i asked for a refund he's just like no i was like but you didn't do it and he was like yeah and like he didn't try it was this was like one month afterwards he's like yeah i'm not making it even though he passed his goal he just gave up immediately and was like i'm keeping the money it was just okay. This is like a decade later.

Yeah. Like eight years or something like that. Why would they still be posting updates if they weren't trying? And they're like naming forging companies that like people could follow. Don't. But people could follow through on and like verify are real companies that actually have this contract and stuff. Yeah. Like it's it's they're

actually doing something um i am not i don't like believe i'm ever going to hold a coal bar hammer yeah but like at this point like they tried even if they do completely fail i don't like i feel a lot worse about the ones where i just genuinely got burned on it. I knew the whole time going into Kickstarter that these aren't guaranteed products. And with this one, like I, there, there was some, some blood, sweat and tears put into it. So like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if they were still taking money, that would be a problem. Yeah.

They're not. And that some Kickstarters do that. They'll like finish their Kickstarter and then open up another website to continue taking pre-orders and stuff and then still not deliver it um they didn't do that so yeah i don't know i'm uh it's sad that the update was so sad but i hope we have some good ones in the future here's my update i have 17 left in my bank account my health is at 49 and i bumped into this spring i have no minerals whatsoever so even in the event that I do manage to get back to the elevator... Oh, I got caved in on...

Okay, there's a spring. I'm dead. So you just die when you run out of money. Yeah. This game is hard mode. And so unfair. There's a lot of springs. Yeah. Yeah, it's um all right i'm taking one last attempt one last attempt at minor vga here we go here we go all right game streaming game streaming we is

there is there more merch messages no okay a lot of people saying we should buy Colbar and just make that our next hardware re-release. It's actually really hard. From reading the updates over the years, some of the stuff that they have to go through is tough. I mean, we know from doing the screwdriver, just because something is seemingly

simple. This is a collapsible and take take apartable hammer that turns into a crowbar yeah no i know it's a destruction tool so it has to be like load bearing and stuff i know like it's it's actually difficult i found some platinum this is good news are you a baller should you just go sell it to make sure that you don't die prematurely? Yeah, I did. Oh, okay. Yeah, I sold it already. So now I'm going to go to the general store.

Wait, why do I have... I pressed R and restored my last game. I no longer have the platinum. What if I R again? The drama! Oh, crap. I have only $850. Oh, this sucks oh what is this game called again mine or what wait you need the you need the stupid uh i think the lantern is what does this it makes it so that if you move around you get a preview of what's there but you have to like move close to it oh over and over again

or something oh my goodness another spring freaking i was gonna do it this is rocket league yell but i didn't know the name of the game so and now it's been too long but just imagine that it happened okay right is it is it the lantern or the torch that like tells you there's something there uh okay and then if i want to know what it is i just you torch that tells you there's something there? Okay. And then if I want to know what it is, I think you got to move around a lot. Patience. Patience is the name of this game. Does it just burn all your money?

No. It only costs money to actually dig. Oh, to new tiles. Oh, silver. Nice. Oh, my God. When it has to redraw the whole page like that when you go up and down over a over a certain threshold yeah it's pretty brutal okay we've got 11 silvers oh oh this is looking promising

here's some gold here's some platinum oh one platinum okay this is definitely the way and we avoided that cave in by moving around near it oh there's lots oh my goodness there's lots of stuff around here we got to go down this corridor here okay we got some sandstone got some easy digging there oh i'm liking it guys we are gonna win this we are gonna win minor vga ask me how you win how do you win you don't is it is it i mean it might be possible what if you uncovered every single square you can buy more mineshaft like infinitely i don't know if it's infinite but you can certainly buy more and then the more mineshaft you have the more obviously you can dig and the more you dig the more money you can make this is like a high score game so you go for that you go

for the highest possible score you know you wouldn't really understand because you don't really get like high scores in games because you're just not very good at games but like it's um it's kind of like where you try to be the best you can at a game and there's no real like cap on it. There's no completion. It's not like Assassin's Creed, you know? Oh, okay. I'm trolling. Luke's a much better gamer than me, like by a long shot.

It's not even close. I actually really enjoyed. Did you know I had a YouTube channel that wasn't that keyboard unboxing? Do you even know about this? I don't know if I know about this I had an Assassin's Creed Advanced difficulty tutorial channel Shut up

Legitimately Okay So for Assassin's Creed 2 And this was back when recording your gameplay was rough And there actually wasn't a lot of Let's Play stuff on YouTube Yeah, how'd you do it? I don't even fully remember I think it was like rough and they're like, actually wasn't a lot of let's play stuff on YouTube. How'd you do it? I don't even fully remember. I think it was like fraps based or something.

Um, okay. Like it was kind of like tough. Um, but I used to do, so there used to be these things. I think it was called synchronization where like the idea in Assassin's Creed is that you're,

you're reliving like memories of your ancestors. Right. Well, I don't know what it is anymore, but that's what it was. Um, idea in assassin's creed is that you're you're reliving like memories of your ancestors right well i don't know what it is anymore but that's what it was um and the synchronization is like doing it in the same way that your ancestor would have done it there's certain things that will break synchronization like if you kill civilians it will like fail the mission because it's like oh that you you broke synchronization by doing this but there's certain like harder difficulty things that is like oh this is how they did it or whatever and you can play through the game without getting essentially any of those i think a lot of people will somewhat automatically probably get like 40 to 50 percent but some of them are actually like

genuinely really hard so i made like little individual mission let's plays essentially that explained how to get like 100% synchronization they're all gone they're definitely all gone but that is a thing that i did yeah i had a few different youtube channels welcome to saint woody's we are pleased to take care of you in god we trust all others pay cash no insurance accepted what type of service do you want is this the bar you may be in need of surgery your bed rest will probably be about 5.1 days our fees are quite reasonable press a to stay until mostly healed press d to stay one day and night press s for surgical procedures three hundred. I have a thousand bucks from everything that I sold.

Why are your videos gone anyway? I just deleted the channel. Oh, really? Yeah. Who does that? You apparently, but why? Yeah, I don't know why I did. Take two aspirin and don't call they say okay

minor vga i'm going pro oh oh i got three platinum you know what i'm gonna go sell that right away because i only have 771 dollars and that is just not enough to guarantee that i'm gonna stay alive some silver too, though. Okay, I got some silver. I've never had a good game. That's a terrible take. What never had a good game? Conrad's trying to say that Assassin's Creed never had a good game.

Wasn't like Assassin's Creed 2, like legendary? Assassin's Creed 2 is an amazing game. Wow. I think you are like ready to fight, aren't you? It's just a bad take. Wow. He calls himself a game reviewer. It's like, what a... You know, all game reviewers, one bucket, dude.

You're in it. Wow. I think Luke's ready to fight. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. The vast majority of Assassin's Creed games are kind of trash. Remember Unity?

Remember how unplayable Unity was? Nope, didn't play it. For like six generations. Oh, crap. I just accidentally hit a key. And then it was finally playable again this uh playthrough may actually take too long to do here because i'm i have figured out how to stay alive it's after eight they have uh they have um would you call it candy it's a chocolate yeah they have a they have a candy named after this time of day

uh-huh which has something to do with anything because i have work to do oh i see yeah yeah okay so we're gonna call it we're gonna call it on the minor vga uh let's play um but yeah minor vga on playdosgames.com you too can enjoy uh this snippet of my childhood all right see you later guys bye We should have a minor VGA tournament Who can get the highest score In like an hour or something That would actually be awesome