The WAN Show - I Think Apple Lied - WAN Show July 14, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 What is up everyone TGI WED SHOW! We got a lot of great topics for you guys today which really sucks because we're starting super late. It's really late. Intel has nuked their nook division that's right they are no longer going to be making their cute little PCs. Also in other news Apple claims not impossible but certainly implausible satisfaction rate among their customers that doesn't really jive with third party measurements of iPhone satisfaction. Reality. Doesn't prevent Apple from telling their investors about it, though. So we'll be talking about that. What else we got today?

Starting point is 00:00:43 Yeah. about it though so we'll be talking about that what else we got today yeah Chinese hackers get into government emails through Microsoft Azure and Amazon wants you to pick on someone your own size because Amazon small and you need to leave him alone oh they didn't say they were small they said they're things are hard for you small your Amazon not a very large online platform platform. Don't bully us know we're late. We had to make a gaming minivan. It's important. I'm taking the kids away this weekend.

Starting point is 00:01:32 And also, we had to finish the video. It is so sick. I think you're actually going to have a hard time getting them out of the van. Yeah. Like, especially if they're in the middle of a game. You turn it off, the batteries keep running. Well, the thing is that I had kind of a vision for this. I thought that the middle row seats would have one, maybe two cloned displays.

Starting point is 00:01:54 Okay. And there would be one system. So it would be like a co-op. And everyone, you know, you could play It Takes Two or you could play Split Screen or something like that. But that was about it. Yeah. Instead, we got four discrete systems cranked to the max monitors in seats one three four and six in the back or whatever that works out to no no one two would be in the front so so three five oh six and eight

Starting point is 00:02:21 yeah there you go four monitors uh each with its own dedicated keyboard and trackpad thing as well as controller uh the team outdid themselves it's actually sick we told the creator warehouse team that hey we need some engineering grunt for some projects for the next little bit and boy did they ever grunt it's an amazing project it's going to be worth the wait i think the first part of that series came out like six months ago the result is actually amazing though anyway it's it's actually awesome that's not what we're talking about today we're talking about apple claiming utterly implausible customer satisfaction the original source here is from perfect rec.com a site that i actually wasn't aware of but um they kind of you you just click on a category and then you enter

Starting point is 00:03:15 what you care about and they like recommend a phone or a laptop or a tv sort of based on if you say camera quality or battery life or cost is the most important factor for you. Anyway, kind of cool site. And Mr. Nowinski here actually wrote up a pretty good article. I read this a little bit earlier. And outlines how Apple's claim that they have a 99% satisfaction rate among iPhone customers raises a lot of questions. So in a May earnings call, Apple claimed a 99% satisfaction rate for the iPhone 14. And this was according to a third-party research firm.

Starting point is 00:03:56 But here's the thing. Apple has made a similar claim in every single earnings call for the past seven years even going as far as to when they had changed the executive who was delivering the line using the exact same wording at one point but the problem is that 99% is higher than the number of people who claim to like ice cream or dogs. Okay, dogs, fine, whatever. Yeah, there's some. I love dogs.

Starting point is 00:04:30 There's some stuff going on with dogs, though. But ice cream, like, wow. You got some lactose intolerant people. According to economist Joe Golden, even if every single person actually loved their iPhone, it would still be nearly impossible to find near-unanimous satisfaction using traditional survey methods. Or on purpose, just to be a jerk. That's totally a thing. What's curious is that looking at independent research,

Starting point is 00:05:00 Apple does receive an extremely high satisfaction rate at about 80% or so, but it's still way lower than what they're claiming, and about on par with the satisfaction rate of a Google phone or a Samsung phone. Furthermore, 6% of users rate the various iPhone 14 models one star on Google. So clearly there's a bit of a disconnect here. This isn't in our notes, unfortunately, but if you dig into the article over on Perfect Rec a little bit further, it is the exact same firm that Apple hires every single quarter

Starting point is 00:05:41 to conduct this research for them. They're really happy with the results. Don't fix what ain't broken, right? Yeah. I mean, I guess that if what I wanted was to tell my investors about the 99% satisfaction rate with my product, if I had a pollster that was going to give me that satisfaction rate every single time, then I guess I would probably go with that, right? So here's a couple other examples from the article. This is amazing. Even Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad only managed 95% approval in the last election, which was condemned by the UN for being undemocratic.

Starting point is 00:06:20 Democratic Let me see if we can Let me see if we can go Let me see if I can find what the name is Of the The pollster Other companies who brag about satisfaction Cite much lower numbers That's

Starting point is 00:06:39 That's key Okay 451 research 451 research And 451 research 451 research and 451 research apparently just um here we go hold on there's a there's a little bit here where they outline oh yeah oh this is amazing okay here we go apple by contrast has claimed near universal approval in every investor's call for the last half a decade and the latest survey of u.s consumers from 451 research indicates blah blah blah 98 okay so they were they were a little down in q4 2022

Starting point is 00:07:11 98 uh here we go 98 99 98 these are these are shockingly high numbers and they use the exact same 451 research every single time so who is 451 research i'm looking into that so here it is the findings are based on so this is from a 2018 press release from 451 research neither apple nor 451 research responded to Perfect Rec's questions. But they said about this particular one, The findings are based on a December 14th to January 22nd survey of 3,568 primarily North American consumers from 451 Research's User Insight Service. from their user insight service, Voice of the Connected User Landscape, and its leading indicator panel of 25,000 accredited business and technology professionals whose application for inclusion identifies them

Starting point is 00:08:15 as having a high wallet share being used for personal technologies and a high readiness to try new products and services. and a high readiness to try new products and services. So they're pulling only business and technology professionals who spend a ton of money on tech and love trying new products and services. Do you like tech? Yes.

Starting point is 00:08:40 Do you like spending a lot of money on tech? Yes. Do you like it when the tech is immature yes do you like the iphone yeah survey passed we got people talking about how this topic is boring no this topic is a big deal because when you say things like we have 98 customer satisfaction Customer satisfaction to your investors And it's based on Obviously Flawed polling data From a company that you pay To use obviously

Starting point is 00:09:12 Flawed polling data That's actually a huge deal You actually can't do that No it's not boring You probably Are just kind of Sitting there going This seems boring oh but wait that's why this is a huge deal um absolutely brutal i mean i'm not saying the iphone is bad by any

Starting point is 00:09:35 stretch of the imagination i have personally recommended iphones to plenty of people but there's no way that they have 98 to 99% satisfaction. Absolutely ridiculous. All right, why don't we move on to our next topic here? Intel nukes Nooks? Intel nukes Nooks? Yeah. I mean, what's a bigger question?

Starting point is 00:10:05 Why is Intel nuking the NUCs? Or why was Intel making NUCs for so long? I was going to say, are you surprised? I'm a little surprised. I'm a little surprised they killed it at this point. Yeah, I mean, when did they launch the first NUC? It was over 10 years ago, wasn't it? Intel NUC.

Starting point is 00:10:24 I'm pretty sure i covered this on ncix tech tips yes i'm pretty sure because i'm pretty sure i was there intel's nook next unit of computing january of 2013 this was over 10 years ago look at this guy. Ridiculous. Eat a sandwich. Anyway, the point is... Sorry, when was it? What was it? Yeah, so I did this. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:53 Yeah, this probably would have been shot by you. Yeah, because they launched it around that time, right? Yeah, right? And I always got it from a conceptual standpoint. It's pretty cool. They're really small. They're energy efficient. You can kind of mount them anywhere,

Starting point is 00:11:13 back of a monitor, in a drawer. Makes sense for a lot of business applications. Under a desk, whatever. But the issue is that they use mobile hardware, and depending on the SKU, Intel did or didn't deliver that at a reasonable price in the Nook, and so the pricing often just didn't really make a ton of sense. Sometimes it did, and they actually had a couple really cool products over the years. forget which canyon it was hades devils whatever i don't know i don't remember anymore but they did that cool one where they collaborated with amd and used an amd gpu oh yeah and an intel cpu and it was super skinny and it had thunderbolt so you could use an external gpu if you really wanted

Starting point is 00:11:57 to so you could like upgrade its capabilities down the road yeah remember that but then i'm looking at it going who has room for a desktop for which the largest component is the monitor and doesn't have room for a computer? Yeah. And I'm not saying that there's nobody. There are certainly people who wanted a really small computer. computer but the gaming nooks in particular i'm looking at going who is the audience for this where people want to spend that much more to have it realistically not that much smaller and i shouldn't say not that much smaller because by volume they were often a lot smaller than what you could build for yourself the issue is that does the volume matter or does the footprint matter like is this actually bigger on

Starting point is 00:12:53 the desk then this like which what's bigger okay here you guys can't see this like what's what takes up more space my phone or this water bottle? Right? And so I just am, I always just found it not confusing why they existed. They seemed kind of cool and Intel had the capability to build them and they were often surprisingly performant for how small they were. But I didn't understand why anyone bought them other than the budget ones for, like you said, commercial use. I understood commercial use the whole time.

Starting point is 00:13:28 And yeah, I never, never understood anything outside of that. I have to, I want to bring us back for a quick second to the previous topic, just for a moment, just to show us. This is, this is the, the research groups, whatever they're for, whatever their URL is not the same thing. 451 or whatever that was. Um, this is on their website about their own service. Their own service has a 98% customer service satisfaction rate. A J tech three, six, nine in float plane chat found that. And I just think that's amazing.

Starting point is 00:14:03 in floatplane chat found that and i just think that's amazing i mean if all i wanted was for someone to tell me how great i am and all i have to do is give them money and they'll tell me how great i am i guess i'd be pretty satisfied yeah that's on the about us page of their market intelligence service so i think they're just telling you what percentage you're gonna get basically like this is it that's what you get and also we pulled the floatplane audience and 89 of floatplane users are satisfied with floatplane excellent cool um there's a few comments in the floatplane chat about what people were using nooks for um zio uni says it was never a desktop replacement for me it was always like more of an energy

Starting point is 00:14:45 efficient home server okay i i could see that for certain things sure energy efficiency standpoint um this main benefit was its size though really it's the whole new unit of computing right like it was the whole point was from intel's perspective they did talk about the efficiency a lot though and a big part of what made it able to be so small was you didn't need a bulky cooler The whole point was... From Intel's perspective, they did talk about the efficiency a lot, though. And a big part of what made it able to be so small was you didn't need a bulky cooler. Yeah, true. Another really good comment from Chronified, for truckers, where every cubic centimeter counts,

Starting point is 00:15:16 the gaming nook was amazing with a wall-mounted display and a lapdog. So lapdog was an old Corsair product that was like a keyboard and mouse that you could... Maybe they still make it. I'm actually not sure. Micah Folk, I'm going to go with Folk, says we use them on the manufacturing floor. The low power ones are great since we just need to run one app.

Starting point is 00:15:37 Yeah. Yeah, but business again though. We buy a lot to put on drones and robots. So it sounds like basically Intel is not that interested in being in the commercial, like cheap disposable commercial PC business. Because from a consumer standpoint, yeah, even the trucking one

Starting point is 00:15:55 is only almost a consumer use case. Like if you were to tell me, hey, I need something to put in the In the cabin of my Of my excavator Your long hauler Well no I just even something else I am only operating

Starting point is 00:16:14 In a professional capacity right now That's not necessarily true for truckers because truckers are Potentially going to sleep in there Oh no I know But the only reason they're equipping their truck With this thing is because it's a commercial vehicle that they need to spend personal time in yeah so i would say that that's in between an actual personal use and a commercial use and intel nux are not the only computers of that size no yeah no not at all it's not like uh if any if anybody's watching who like uses these things no not at all it's not like if any if anybody's

Starting point is 00:16:45 watching who like uses these things to a certain degree it's not like you have lost your options like what happened to gigabyte bricks okay this is still a thing apparently are these are these based on current like reasonably new boot are these based on new specs or like yeah this this says new rise in 7,000 yeah there you go yeah these are very small and that is amountable and they're rising so they're probably more efficient than the Intel yeah so it's not like you won't still have options yeah Intel is just gonna know it's kind of not is not interested

Starting point is 00:17:24 in continuing to deal with this. They will support their ecosystem partners to continue Nook innovation and growth, they say. And they will still fulfill existing orders and continue support for existing Nook systems. Overall, Intel, this seems to be part of a trend of Intel offloading side businesses in an attempt to focus on more profitable endeavors.

Starting point is 00:17:46 Just three months ago, they also stopped selling servers, handing the business over to MyTag. There was an open niche for relatively powerful, compact, and customizable computers back when launched the Nook back in 2013, but it's since become far more competitive, and some observers have criticized Intel for having made the Nook unnecessarily difficult to buy, forcing users to buy from B2B resellers, often at a high markup. So our discussion questions are, why did the Nook line fail? And I think the answer is just that Intel, in order to appease their investors, has to make more margin than makes sense in such a competitive category and i also just don't really see what they were contributing for the typical consumer for a business user for niche use cases absolutely they were super cool but one of the reasons we stopped making videos about them

Starting point is 00:18:37 a while back is that interest in them plummeted to the point where we just couldn't really get views on videos about them no matter what we titled it no matter what we put in the thumbnail i also think that this last couple of generations was already feeling like a bit of a last hurrah you know where they weren't really that small anymore yeah like the last the last that's been the weirdest thing for me is they go into the performance nux and they just get almost as big as a small form factor PC. And it's like, yeah, the most bizarre one to me is that one where it's a module that has the RAM, NVMe storage, CPU socket and cooler on it. And then you like slot it into a case or you slot it into into a system. And the idea was that you would just like swap in and swap out the whole thing. So it's like an upgradable system for people who don't know how to build a computer but i'm looking

Starting point is 00:19:29 at it going really is there an appetite for people who want to upgrade their computer but they they're not willing to handle a cpu socket or or a ram slot but they but they're willing to do you know this whole ordeal and apparently there wasn't um apparently it just didn't make sense and the bigger issue was the price yeah it was not just if it had been competitive with desktop hardware sure yeah i think i think there's a conversation to be had there. But it was laptop hardware, and it was priced like laptop hardware. And I'm sitting here going, if I'm going to pay for a laptop, then I want a f***ing laptop. I don't want a desktop. Give me a screen.

Starting point is 00:20:13 Yeah, I mean, what's the screen cost? Like another 30, 40 bucks? Fine, tack it on there. And then I'll throw a battery in it. What's that, another 30, 40 bucks too? I mean, I'm already spending way too much money. I might as well just have something I can take with me. If those were optional add-ons in like the configurator

Starting point is 00:20:28 as you were checking out they would be selected like every time so it's like if it's at that point what's what's the point uh but yeah anyways next topic no i think what we should really do is give people as much time as possible to take advantage of a pretty stupid promo that Nick and I talked about before the show. So first, let's give you guys a quick explanation of merch messages. The way to interact with the show is not through super chats, not through Twitch bits. It's through merch messages. The best thing about merch messages is that unlike those other things where you just kind of throw your money at the screen, you get to throw your money at the screen. You can leave a message in the bottom. Dan curates these down here, or he replies to some of them via

Starting point is 00:21:17 text or some of them he puts into a list for Luke and I to talk about. But that's not the main benefit. The main benefit is that even if we don't respond to your merch message, you will still get your order in the mail. High quality products like the backpack that Lewis just picked up or the mystery sweatpants that Nathaniel B. has taken home. You'll still get your product in the mail. And 98% of our customers love them. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:21:43 Yeah. No, it's not that high. but again, that's not realistic. We actually do have really good satisfaction rates, though. You can check out our reviews. We do not filter those other than just removing obvious spam. Anyway, the point is, in the cart, you can leave a merch message. There will be a box there anytime we're live, and it'll go through to Producer Dan.

Starting point is 00:22:06 And you're probably going gonna want to do that because our lime day deals are still live so we have heavy discounts on our mystery hoodie mystery sweatpants and retro polar fleece also uh okay nick says we accidentally left our discount live on the mystery plaid flannel. So that was supposed to be a yesterday deal. Um, we're going to have to talk about that later. Anyway, that is still live. Um, and for our WAN show faithful, for you, the people that waited hours for the show to go live, we are offering a free shipping deal.

Starting point is 00:22:44 We hear you in the subreddit, okay? It's been a lot of people complaining about shipping. There's nothing I can do about it other than lose a lot of money. We're offering a free shipping deal on orders of $150 or more. The discount code is highreddit, all lowercase, H-I-R-E-D-T-R-E-D-D-I-T.

Starting point is 00:23:04 Don't take this as training. Enter it at checkout for free shipping on any order of $150 or more. If you pick up a mystery hoodie, mystery sweatpants and retro polar fleece, okay, or mystery plaid flannel, for the love of God, please buy something we're actually making money on too.

Starting point is 00:23:25 Get a screwdriver or a desk pad or a water bottle or something, please. Because otherwise, we're eating it here. I think the plan is to, well, okay. I think the plan was to leave this live till midnight. I no longer know what the plan is because that's only two hours and the show will be over and we will already be turning off the discount code. Let me just call Nick,

Starting point is 00:23:52 hopefully he's still up, and see what the plan is now. We should give you guys at least a little bit of time. Hello? Hi. How long are we leaving the free shipping code live since we only started the WAN show like half an hour ago? I mean, it's only supposed to be while the show is live, but we could leave it live for like a few more hours after that if you want.

Starting point is 00:24:20 Okay. Okay. Like 4am Nick Oh my god you're Nick I don't like you Luke says hi why what did he do

Starting point is 00:24:35 No he's not talking to me he's talking to you Oh okay We're not gonna make any money I know I know It's his KPIs he's worried about. Okay, 3 a.m., 3 a.m. then. That gives them five hours. Okay.

Starting point is 00:24:53 Thanks, Nick. Good chat. Okay. Wait, Nick, wait, wait, wait. Oh, hold on. Okay. This, I don't know if you want me to say it, but this is still live.

Starting point is 00:25:02 Oh. Specifically for that exact size. Okay. One of the say it but this is still live oh specifically for that exact size uh okay uh one of the northern lights desk pads is still live is that supposed to be um oh i'll take a look it probably needs correction yeah maybe maybe turn that off we're eating it hard enough right now okay yeah okay thanks bye free shipping on a $10 mouse pad. Amazing. Anywho. Yeah, so you got five hours.

Starting point is 00:25:35 All right, cool. There's going to be a few merch messages tonight, Dan. How are your fingers feeling? They warmed up? Yeah, they're warmed up. They're ready to go. We actually, if you want to read a couple, we actually have a surprise, I think. Somebody sent something in.

Starting point is 00:25:53 We have a surprise. I don't know if we're supposed to pull that out now. Oh, not yet, I don't think. Do you know about this, Luke? Yeah. What? Okay, later then. No, you can't tell me that and then not show me the surprise. Well, you've got to finish talking about merch messages.

Starting point is 00:26:05 I'm done talking about merch messages. We've got to do three of them, then. All right, fine. It's two of them. Neither of you can read. I rewrote the sign. Why did you rewrite it? Because I got yelled at last week.

Starting point is 00:26:15 It's supposed to be three. No, three is later. Two is now. I'm going to scream. Oh, three is the mid-show one? Yeah. There you go. Why is that different? I don't know. All right, three is the mid-show one? Yeah. There you go. Why is that different?

Starting point is 00:26:25 I don't know. All right. Merch messages. Merch messages. I've been watching since I was in high school, and now I'm a 30-year-old, done law school, and I work as a senior prosecutor locking criminals up in Australia. How does it feel to be a big part of lives like mine? Super cool.

Starting point is 00:26:43 I mean, those are some of my favorite messages to get, especially when people are achieving something that I couldn't possibly hope to achieve. I sucked at school. So when someone emails me or, you know, DMs me on the forum or, you know, I just come across a post on Reddit or the forum or whatever,

Starting point is 00:27:01 and they're like, yeah, I started watching LTT when I was 13 and I just graduated with a computer science degree and blah, blah, blah. It was all because they inspired me to get into tech. I'm like, that is so cool because I don't think I could do that. So, I mean, but that's the way that I have framed our mission internally for a lot of years now, our job isn't to teach you how to engineer CPU or whatever. Our job is to go around and just light little fires, you know, just, just start sparks of,

Starting point is 00:27:41 of passion and excitement for technology in in people and if that ultimately you know turns into a bonfire here and fizzles out there and fizzles out there and fizzles out there but but but burns brightly over here i mean hey i consider that a huge success so love it absolutely love it that's all I can really say about it. Okay, let's see. Conrad in Flowplane Chat said, I started watching LTT in high school and now I work for LTT. That's a path.

Starting point is 00:28:12 That works. Yeah, that's okay. That's one way to do it. I feel seen. Okay. Hey, Luke and Linus, do you know what happened to the CPUs with FPGAs? I remember some years ago seeing headlines about Intel creating one, but never heard

Starting point is 00:28:31 its actual release or deployment. No. I remember. I'm pretty sure we talked about that on my show, but... Doesn't... I'm trying to remember. Doesn't Intel have an FPGA division? Isn't it... Yeah, Intel FPGA products.

Starting point is 00:28:52 Altera? SOC FPGA devices. Yeah, was a manufacturer, was founded and acquired by, yeah, was acquired by Intel in 2015. Yeah, Intel owns Altera. So Intel does kind of make FPGAs, which are super cool. We actually have a really great video coming on FPGAs, kind of mocking the Iran announcement of their quantum chip. So we got their quantum chip. We bought it on eBay. And then the video opens with like a mock press conference, me announcing Linus Media Group's quantum chip

Starting point is 00:29:25 we're going to use to design the Dankest merch. Anyway, so we get into what FPGAs are for, what that particular board is for, how it is not quantum in any way, shape or form, but how FPGAs are super sick and can be used for all kinds of amazing, amazing applications. For example, you can recreate the Super Nintendo using an FPGA, like the actual hardware, so that if you

Starting point is 00:29:54 run software on it, you're not emulating. You're basically running it on a Super Nintendo. Just super cool. And as FPGAs get even more powerful uh we're we're only going to see their capabilities increase so yeah definitely super cool but um yeah i'm not quite sure what your question is about what happened to intel fpgas because um i think it was like a cpu that had fpga capability built into it or something i don't remember the article but yeah i see a little bit of discussion about it in the chat just so you know the advantage of them is the flexibility not the performance you would never want the cpu of your general purpose computer to be an fpga it would be grossly underpowered compared to what could be built as an asic i believe like analog uses them the the like really high end yeah yeah

Starting point is 00:30:46 so like there's there's really really cool use cases for them by cool companies like analog but that's a big part of why those devices are so expensive because fpgas for their performance cost a freaking lot of money uh the only time they make sense in a commercial product is when the volumes are too low to justify producing an ASIC, like a fixed function silicon device. Like I suspect, I never actually verified it, but I suspect that Apple's accelerator card

Starting point is 00:31:19 for the old Intel Mac Pro was probably FPGA based. That's probably why it cost $5,000 because they knew they were gonna sell so few of them that it made absolutely no sense to spin custom silicon for this thing when they could just sell it to the professionals that need it at $5,000 or whatever they charged for it. Same with like Red's Red Rocket cards back in the day i'm again

Starting point is 00:31:45 i'm like 99 sure that those were fpgas there's no way that even if the price was half or a quarter right there's no way that they would sell enough more of them to justify the upfront cost of designing an asic all right uh maybe give us one more, Dan. Sure, sure. Let's see. Was watching episode 10 of Disney's Tailspin 1990. The last line spoken was, same danger time, same danger channel. And that seemed familiar. They ripped us off?

Starting point is 00:32:21 We are both parodying the 1970s batman series with adam west where uh at the end it's like see you again next week same bat time same bat channel it was it's bat and then i just say same i started saying same bad time just because the show is always late i think you did used to say bat did i at one point in time, you said bat. Oh, I, I,

Starting point is 00:32:47 maybe I guess I just might've like gone back and forth for a bit or something. I remember thinking bad was because we were never on time. That was bad time. And then bad channel was just like self, self mockery. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:59 Why not? Haha. Like when, when show who could enjoy when show anyway, um, you know, we'll see you again next week. Thanks, guys.

Starting point is 00:33:09 A little self-degradation before the weekend. Yeah, we talked about this a few weeks ago. I think I do actually finally get it now. And if I didn't host WAN show, I think I would understand watching WAN show. But as the host of WAN show, I do find WAN show very hard to watch. Because if I need to know Luke's take on something I can just think about it for a second

Starting point is 00:33:30 don't really have to ask yeah all right why don't we jump into our next topic what do you want to talk about we've actually got a ton of great stuff to talk about today that isn't even stuff that we uh that we highlighted at the beginning of the show uh i'm gonna add a topic and combine it into one that we already have and then talk about both in the same time i see cool uh chinese hackers get into government emails through microsoft azure okay i saw that you added this as a main topic. And I was like, really? A main topic?

Starting point is 00:34:09 Well, the only reason why I wanted it to be main was just because I want to continue keeping stuff like this top of mind for people. Okay. Because something else that happened this week, now to insert the other topic, is... So does this count as two topics? Or is this one topic? Is it one and a half topics? Maybe one and a half topics. Dan's sign says two more topics.

Starting point is 00:34:32 Oh, I see. I think one. This is one. I think one. Okay. One fat topic. Skyblivion. I'm pretty sure I've talked about that on this show before.

Starting point is 00:34:41 Yes, you have. Skyblivion built into Skyrim with massive high-res assets and custom voice acting and all this amazing, amazing stuff. I've heard about it, but I feel like I'm about to get some bad news. The main person running it, as far as my understanding goes, their Discord got taken over the same way that our YouTube channel got taken over. Session Hijack. Yep.

Starting point is 00:35:01 YouTube channel got taken over. Session hijack. Yep. And that person got access to, as far as my understanding goes, the more public discussion Discord and also the developer and working Discord and just started wrecking havoc. They were sent a file, as they are many times a day, by someone on their team. We don't believe, well, I don't believe well i don't believe sorry i shouldn't say we because i'm in only very light communication with this person uh i don't

Starting point is 00:35:30 believe it's like an inside job situation he said something along the lines of like he thinks their account also got session hijacked and then that person used theirs to session hijack. The last one. Yeah. Took quite a long time to get resolved. I think it was like over a day and a half. So they had a very long time to just wreck things. Yeah. And that's brutal. So be very careful because not only can we have our channel get hacked, but the government of America can get hacked. And also really cool.

Starting point is 00:36:11 I can't imagine a single reason why anyone would want to damage it. Volunteer project can get hacked. Yeah. So like. Don't imagine that just because, you know, you're cool and no one should hate you that someone won't come in and break your stuff yeah people do things for ununderstandable reasons uh but anyways back to the actual core topic i guess according to microsoft chinese state affiliated hackers exploited microsoft's azure cloud services to access the email accounts of around 25 organizations

Starting point is 00:36:42 including european and American government agencies. The hackers got a hold of a Microsoft consumer signing key through unknown means and used it to forge digital authentication tokens to access Outlook accounts through a security flaw in Microsoft's validation system. This somehow allowed the hackers to access the email accounts of Microsoft's enterprise Azure service clients.

Starting point is 00:37:10 The hack first occurred mid-May. Unusual activity was noticed by an unspecified U.S. government agency. Interesting. On June 16th, the government then informed Microsoft. A spokesperson for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs did deny the attack, but accused the U.S. of being the world's biggest hacking empire. Microsoft announced two other similar hacks earlier this week, one where its validation procedure was manipulated to digitally sign dozens of pieces of software, and one where Russian criminals exploited a previously unknown vulnerability in its office program. Discussion. How do these kinds of major oversights happen? Is there a danger of over-centralization when large corporations like Microsoft host data for so many different world governments? I mean, yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:51 Yes. The answer is yes. That is a huge danger. I mean, that's one of the reasons why we actually talked about this with the pornographic site that was required by, I think, Louisiana. I don't know. It was some American state was requiring people to verify their identity in order to access the pornographic material on the site. And we had talked about how that is not a good solution because all you're doing is creating a gigantic honeypot and the more entities online that are collecting this highly, highly dangerous,

Starting point is 00:38:35 just high-risk data. I forget how I started the sentence. The point is honeypots. That's basically all they turn into. And the more of these you have, the more surface area you have to be attacked via. functionality and cost savings and all this kind of stuff that can be gained by certain things being more digitized think like power infrastructure and other things like that is immense but when you do that type of stuff you open yourself up for these types of attacks um and i think if anything this type of stuff is just going to keep ramping up over time i don't think it's going to slow down at all um there one of the discussion questions was how do these kind of major oversights happen

Starting point is 00:39:23 Um, there, one of the discussion questions was how did these kind of major oversights happen? It's just bugs, man. It's just zero days. They're in everything. Like this is why for so long, we've talked about how you should treat nothing as actually being secure. Cause it isn't like, especially with how everything is so reliant on everything else all the time. Like your, your, your setup might be quite secure and then something that relies on updates and it's like well baby's not anymore and now you have to reevaluate and like the the chance you're always going to be perfect all the time is basically zero so you're saying that i need

Starting point is 00:39:55 more developers yeah and you want a bigger team we are actually hiring more people if you go to linusvd.com slash jobs we are looking for two front-end developers for flow plane right now there's also a back-end posting there i'm not taking it down because it's in like a tenuous position it might be done and if it is done i want the resume i'm a little stressed right now um normally you know we get a few dots in europe oh no you guys did free global shipping You know, we get a few dots in Europe. Oh no! You guys did free global shipping? So that's why the spelling's been so weird.

Starting point is 00:40:35 There's so many merch messages. The dots in Europe are just everywhere. Yeah, I don't think you guys can see this. There's so many! But like, almost all of Germany is lit up. Literally over half of the UK is blue. This is what happens when you start

Starting point is 00:40:56 so late. Freaking Iceland. Oh, let's go. I don't remember the last time we shipped anything to Iceland. India. I almost never see a dot in India. There's like ten right now. Oh no, Australia. Is Australia just fully blue or what's going on there? No, but there's lots.

Starting point is 00:41:11 It doesn't help that the show is so late so we probably have a disproportionate number of Australians and Europeans watching. It's like it's just starting in the morning there. A lot of people are thanking me for, this is like the first time I've ever caught a WAN show live! Okay. My fingers hurt.

Starting point is 00:41:29 Oh man. Cool. Someone in floatplane chat, buy shipping company stocks. It's not permanent. Yeah, no, no, this is definitely... Oh, my God, look at the incomings. Oh, my God, we're getting a merch message every, like, 11 seconds. I can't... Yeah. That's not our record. Yeah, but we didn't even launch a product, Luke.

Starting point is 00:41:56 We didn't launch anything. It's been 40 minutes. Okay, cool. Anywho. Cool. Wait. Is it is it gonna hold up Conrad it feels like it is so far okay I think I know what the thing you guys

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Starting point is 00:43:40 To say that we are finished round one of secret shopping our sponsors do you know about this have you heard about this no i was inspired by secret shopping pc building companies some of whom we've worked with over the years in a in a sponsorship capacity and i was thinking you know okay you know there's really there's really good ways that we have already to hold our sponsors accountable like the sponsor feedback um thread in the forum um we also you know just take your messages seriously in general be they on the ltt forum or reddit or social media or

Starting point is 00:44:19 wherever else it's just the best way to make sure we see them is on the forum in the designated place but you know we do try to keep an eye out but you know we can't um we can't verify a lot of the time an experience that a third party has had so i was thinking why don't we have our own experiences and why don't we publish them why don't we secret shop our sponsors? It seems like just a win-win. It's compelling content. I think that it's really good for our sponsors to get this professionally documented feedback about their processes, assuming that they actually care

Starting point is 00:44:56 about customer satisfaction. They should want to see this as opposed to try to sweep it under the rug. And I think it's a huge benefit to the community because from my point of view, trust is everything, right? And so if you guys know that we are doing our due diligence to keep our sponsors accountable and make sure that they're operating with integrity,

Starting point is 00:45:17 well then, hey, that makes it so that you know you can trust our sponsors, which means that there could be more value for sponsors investing in marketing with our company and everything everything is just better so it seems like one of those win win win wins and we're gonna see how it goes can you spill some some potential tea i fix it is one of them ah we had some issues oh but. But they resolved them. I mean, that's good. And with the sponsors...

Starting point is 00:45:49 At the very least, not bad. With the sponsors that we didn't have issues with, we fabricated issues. Ah. Because really that was part of it, right? No, that's good. I don't want to know, you know, is the product any good?

Starting point is 00:46:00 I don't need to order a Ridge wallet to know what they say it is. I hold one up to you guys every six weeks or however often Ridge sponsors the land show, right? Like, I don't need to order a Ridge wallet to know what they say it is. I hold one up to you guys every six weeks or however often Ridge sponsors the land show, right? Like, I don't need that. I've used the iFixit kit. What I want to know is, are they operating with integrity?

Starting point is 00:46:15 And so, is it high integrity for us to pretend there's an issue and waste their money? I think if it's for the greater good, it's okay. Yeah, I don't know if that's bad. I think from... That's bad if everyone does it. Yes, but if it's from a... If we're doing it in a journalistic manner,

Starting point is 00:46:34 then yeah, I think it's okay. So anyway, yeah, I'm very excited for you guys to see round one of this. And if the community response is really positive, I am very excited to do a lot more of this. And I already told the team, hey, next time around, maybe we don't just limit it to our own sponsors.

Starting point is 00:46:53 Maybe we look at some of the really big sponsors on YouTube that you guys see plastered all over your feed and we can start to act as a bit of a check, making sure that things are operating the way that they're supposed to be operating. CoffeeZilla can make sure they're not a scam. We can make sure they have good customer support. Yeah. Nice. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:14 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I don't know exactly when it's coming out, but the reason that I'm able to talk about it now is that we have already settled all of our open tickets with all of these companies. So everything is all wrapped up in a tidy little bow.

Starting point is 00:47:30 It's shot. It's just waiting for the editors. And no, I am not doing three merch messages, Dan. I refuse because... Get owned! I haven't done our third sponsor spot yet. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:47:42 It's the next topic. You gotta put the card back up. Yeah. Yeah, he's gotta put the card back up yeah yeah he's gotta put the card back up yeah there you go i'll just hold it until nice five seconds from now thanks to samsung for sponsoring today's show samsung's galaxy impact event is right around the corner and they're sure to reveal some of the latest and greatest in on the go tech right now you can reserve the next generation of galaxy phones, tablets, and watches, all with no deposit required. Even better, act now and you can get a $50 credit.

Starting point is 00:48:10 Be sure to check out Samsung's Galaxy Unpacked event on July 26th and head over to lmg.gg slash galaxyunpacked to reserve your new device today. All right, yes. Now I will do your three merch messages, Dan. Thank you, sir. Now I will do it. I only have three because I've got 130 to go through.

Starting point is 00:48:28 Is photography allowed during the lab and office tours? Yes. Oh, that's okay. That's going to take a bunch of work, but that's probably smart because they were going to do it anyways. Yeah. What's the point of pretending that people are not going to take pictures? Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:48:42 I'm not going to pose with you at every stupid, you know, place we stop to talk about things. Yeah, I saw you're doing tours. Yeah, I'm doing tours. Why? Why not? I like doing tours. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:48:53 Yeah. Fair enough then. I don't think we're guaranteeing who you get for your tour host though. Yeah, that would be a bad idea. That would be a really bad idea because it'd be like, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke. I don't think I'm doing tours. Are you not?

Starting point is 00:49:06 I'm down, but I don't think I'm slotted for doing tours. I know Dennis is. Oh, yeah. I'm down. Yeah, yeah. I told Colton and Steph, I was like, just put me for whatever. I don't care. Just be a coach.

Starting point is 00:49:17 Yeah. Don't worry about the consent here or anything. I'm down to do whatever. Yeah, no, I mean'm i'm always down it's always it's always fun just to like i i i don't really get to interact with you people like there's like yeah there's the there's the chat and there's comments but no offense to any of the chats offense to twitch chat hate twitch chat no offense to the chats. It's not the same. The way people,

Starting point is 00:49:46 it's so, it's so funny. Based on the average comment section, you would think that a sizable portion of the community like actually hates me. Or if you,

Starting point is 00:49:57 you know, hung out on Reddit. Maybe Reddit. But anytime I talk to someone in person, you and your darn shipping, they're just the nicest people ever.

Starting point is 00:50:06 And it's awesome because when you strip away the anonymity of the internet, people are actually not horrible for the most part. Um, and so, yeah, it's pretty accurate. Usually it's fun getting to actually like see people and have two way communication,

Starting point is 00:50:24 right? And a tour gives you a bit of an extended period of time with them and gives a central activity so it doesn't have to be like yeah yeah it's not awkward yeah it's good no offense some of you while nice are awkward oh yeah i had to learn like social engineering skills to have conversations with the fans i've told you about that right the whole step to the side thing step to the side so it's i um when you have a conversation with someone you meet at a show um if they're if they're if you can tell they're like getting you know like speech jammered because they're feeling really awkward and unsure how to

Starting point is 00:50:58 proceed with the conversation yeah one of the many tools that you can use is just kind of like take a half step to the side and kind of lean over to the side a little bit so that they would have to turn a very odd amount to face you. That will make them re-stance, which gets their mind off of what they were just thinking about because they're like, wait, what? And then they turn and move and then you hit them with a question and it completely debases where they were at. So you step to the side and then go like, what's your favorite thing at show? And there they immediately just start talking what their favorite thing at the show is they lose the awkwardness and it actually works like very Consistent, huh? Okay. Yeah, I Use it like a lot So that explains all of our conversations that we've ever had I do that with Dan every single time I talk like it's very difficult

Starting point is 00:51:42 I'm kidding, but yeah me too. Okay every single time I talk it's like it's very difficult I'm kidding but yeah me too okay um I just want to get out of my head yeah I don't know whatever I'm just like I don't I don't if someone comes up and is like excited to meet me I don't want the takeaway to be like oh like I wish I wasn't so awkward or whatever I think I do that subconsciously I'm trying to think as soon as you said what's your favorite thing at the show? I was like, yeah, I always say that. Yeah. I don't know if I do the shift thing, but I definitely.

Starting point is 00:52:10 I told you the shift thing like many years ago. I give it like two or three steamboats and then I just like start talking to them. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. This Josie says Luke psychologically manipulating people for their own good. King of the nerds knows his subjects. So day nine, before I did any of this stuff,

Starting point is 00:52:32 I met day nine down at a PAX event that was outside of PAX called Red Bull Land, where there was this really, really cool custom StarCraft tournament, whatever. Yeah. And he had like a meet and greet afterwards, and it was super positive and everyone had a really great time and but we we had started working together but this was still

Starting point is 00:52:49 when i was like behind camera and i remember thinking at that event like man if i ever end up being in a situation like him where people want to meet me i want them to come away from it feeling like that was actually like kind of cool because i've met people like when i was like 14 or something i met todd howard i remember walking away from it being like that was just a dumb interaction like i had no idea what to say i didn't expect he was going to be he was just like walking around packs i didn't expect it was going to happen and it was like he was cool he was fine everything but just like i was very in my head about it. And so I had that event.

Starting point is 00:53:29 I had meeting day nine. And I was just like, man, I want the people that meet me to exit with good feelings. Right. And then when people started recognizing me again at PAX, I noticed that there was this loop of like speech jammer. This is awkward. Right. Don't know what to say.

Starting point is 00:53:44 So I was like, I need a way to fix this. And then, yeah, I had a terrible interaction with a celebrity recently and it was completely my fault. Okay. Story time or? I guess. Um,

Starting point is 00:53:57 I really hope there's no video of this online, but, uh, Victor Axelson, who is the world number one men's badminton singles player, um, current, um um current world champion um yeah kind of a big deal in the badminton space anyway uh he came to do an exhibition and i was drawn to play two points with him and there's like maybe 150 people so on on the first point, I actually played a really good shot right out of the gate.

Starting point is 00:54:27 And he had to lift it to the front court, which meant that all I had to do was just pound it down anywhere. And I would actually get a point, which would have been pretty cool because very few of the like 10 or 15 people that went up actually did score points on him. He's like godlike, basically. But I just I kind of got lucky. He just I wasn like dressed for it or anything and so i think i kind of blindsided him a little bit by actually playing a decent shot and so he was like got it obviously because he's a badminton god but whatever the point is i completely whiffed it oh no so the the ceiling in the richmond oval is so high and i had never

Starting point is 00:55:04 played there before. My depth perception was completely off and you probably are sitting there thinking excuses. It does make a difference. And it didn't only happen to me. People who don't play there find it a little bit easy to kind of lose where the shuttle is as it's falling down. So I missed it completely.

Starting point is 00:55:27 Obviously I was flustered. My next next point i just completely screwed up but none of this was the really bad part the really bad part is that it's customary in badminton to meet at the net and thank your opponent now pre-covid the normal way to do it was a high five. But then COVID, okay? So now you touch rackets. My group flips our rackets around and touches our handles so that we're not whacking the frames against each other. They weigh like 85 grams for an entire racket, just like hitting your frames.

Starting point is 00:56:00 It just seems unnecessary. Why chip the paint, right? Probably it won't, but that's just what my group does okay well apparently his doesn't and he's never seen that before because when i walked up and tried to touch rackets he like took the handle of it for a second was like and then gave it back and then i just like moved away and then i don't think we even ended up doing anything and then i just awkwardly walked off. It was the worst thing ever. Oh man. That's funny. Yeah, he thought I was handing him my racket.

Starting point is 00:56:29 Because I gave it to him handle for- anyway. Um, so I- I- yeah, so that was awful. Um... Anyway, I uh... Never want to see him again. Yeah! And it was completely not his fault. Yeah, and like- it was completely not his fault Yeah, and like he was actually great my interaction with Todd was it was similar in that way like he did completely fine I just like I met him and just immediately started rambling about computers because it was like the only thing I did ever and

Starting point is 00:56:57 If I remember correctly I started like talking about mineral oil because that was also all I did at that time and my dad eventually Just like shuffled Like oh that sucked Amazing it's okay. Okay. Thankfully. Nobody has uploaded video of this. I know it exists because I had some friends in the audience Sent me highlights of the failure. Oh man, brutal. Anyways, merch messages? Yeah, I've got another one here somewhere. What would a retired Luke and Linus look like?

Starting point is 00:57:38 Would you still do the WAN show? Never thought about that. I don't know if I would have the infrastructure in place to to produce the wan show if i'm retired i'm retired right i'm not what i have employees and i'm retired why why do i do that we only had a producer on wan show for a very small percentage of its history did you are you you you you would no dan I- You- You- You would- No, Dan's great. I'm just saying. You would get rid of Dan? No, I'm just saying. I'm gonna- I'm your prop. You're gonna do him- You're gonna do him-

Starting point is 00:58:10 You don't need me. dirty like that, right to his face? No, you're gonna- Significantly- Significantly improves the shot. You have to look into his eyes now. You have to look into his eyes and tell him that the WAN show would be just fine without him. I can't deal with that face! Oh, no. Okay, I'll get rid of him.

Starting point is 00:58:27 Yeah, fire me. Fire me without looking me in the face. Yeah, thanks, Luke. I think it's a clear improvement. We've talked about having a producer for a long time. I'm happy we finally did it. But I'm just saying, the show could technically go on. Yeah, I mean, I guess so.

Starting point is 00:58:40 But what would we talk about? Like, if I'm not covering tech, I mean, I guess we could just talk about whatever. I'm not covering tech Badminton yeah, I still talk about it. I don't think any of the topics we talked about on the WAN show really require Almost anything we don't read the topics before we sit down like Okay, a lot of the time I have independently read about them during the week, you know, as part of just... Are you going to stop doing that, though? Probably not. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:15 So, like... As soon as I have more than, like, two days off in a row, I just immediately start tinkering with tech again. Yeah. Like, it's not really... The WAN show... It's not really something I can be in control of. the wanshow kind of started because of those car talks we weren't working during the car rights i guess so like i don't know um i wouldn't be surprised if we kept going i don't think people would still watch i've talked about this before i think that i think

Starting point is 00:59:43 that you can have kind of your more casual content, but nobody cares about your opinion on things unless you also give them a healthy serving of, you know, fact-based analysis and enriching content. Like, it's one of the reasons I'm always... Gotta prove you still know what you're doing. I'm always telling the writers, like, look, you gotta load up the video with learning outcomes it can't just be memeing um and so yeah i don't i don't know if

Starting point is 01:00:09 people would enjoy it the way that they do i also if we weren't focused on tech i don't know if the world needs another like two white guys give their opinion on stuff podcast yeah uh you know is is that it i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the wan show but if we did like something like uh i think we've even talked about this before uh like playing random like one dollar games on steam yeah or like something like that nothing would prevent us from doing that now though i think a big part of the reason we managed to do this is because there's, like, it's like a tradition almost. Yeah, yeah. So we'd both have to be retired-ish. We'd have to have extra time.

Starting point is 01:00:53 We'd both have to be around on Fridays. We'd have to have extra time. Like, it would have to be, I almost don't think we could ever change the date. Yeah, probably. The time is a little flexible. A little? He's supposed to have people over tonight. Oh, well, that was stupid.

Starting point is 01:01:09 Well, it'll probably be tomorrow at this point. That was a dumb thing to plan. There you go. Yeah, it wasn't that kind of evening. Sorry, Dan. I don't care. I don't care. They know what I do for a living.

Starting point is 01:01:18 My parents thought I was going to their cabin tonight. And I was like... Yeah, that's worse. Not I was like... Yvonne was like no tomorrow morning yeah it's Friday it's Friday it's when show I remember we were trying to plan that like executive retreat and people were like yeah we can go Friday night and we were both like do you know have you met this man it's not your

Starting point is 01:01:44 fault sometimes really but sometimes it has Do you know us? Have you met this man? I mean, it's not your fault, typically. Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes. It has happened. I think one of the things that saves me is that you are so consistently late, so that if I'm ever late, it just doesn't- it gets completely overwritten. Because you're later.

Starting point is 01:02:00 So like, if you were on time all the time, I think I'd probably look pretty bad. But because you're late all the time, like literally 100% of the time, it just doesn't matter. That's not fair. How? I was on time for that flight. I was talking specifically about Joe. He was not expecting that one.

Starting point is 01:02:22 He just got absolutely like atomic bombed right there. He thought he'd have something he could defend against. That was inexcusable. He was so late. I had to break just about every traffic law in existence to go wake his ass up, get him into the car, and drive us wake his ass up. Yeah. Get him into the car and drive us both to the airport. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:49 Yeah. It's like, he's not coming. Dude, there was a- He's not coming. There was a few years there where I, like, practically nothing could wake me up. That was, it's over now. Doesn't seem to be a problem anymore. I only have one alarm now.

Starting point is 01:03:03 You get older, man. And there was one point in time, legitimately, I had a floor mat thing that i got us to buy through like a handy tech or something i don't even remember what it was yeah that required putting weight on it to turn the alarm off i had two different alarm clocks one of them that did like a daylight brightness thing it cost way too much money but it was this like really bright light that was supposed to simulate the sun i had my phone's alarm clock and i had an alarm that was a little robot thing that would run away from me so i had to go chase it to turn it off i would just stay asleep with all of them buzzing oh yeah you're screwed yeah europe is like is there any way to total how much you've spent on

Starting point is 01:03:45 shipping in the last amount of time no because it's through uh it's it's through uh it's through a reshipping service because shipping from canada sucks so we consolidate in pallets and ship it into the u.s to distribute um and so i i actually don't know how much... It's really stupid that that's the right way to do it. I know. That's so dumb. So I actually don't know how much we spend on shipping until I get the bill, like a month later, two weeks later or whatever it is.

Starting point is 01:04:14 Actually, I never know because Yvonne deals with all that, but like, holy crap. I'm having trouble showing them and replying to them because they come in so fast and it pauses the dashboard for a second. So I have to click like five or six times. And so I can't do more than one every 10 seconds. And this is becoming a problem.

Starting point is 01:04:34 Dashboard's holding, though. It's holding. I don't know if we're going to be able to do. I have 200. Yeah, we're not going to get to every merch message tonight, guys. I'll start trying to help parsing incoming. No, no, no. We've got to host the show.

Starting point is 01:04:48 We've got to host the show. All right. I'm trying. Why don't you... Why doesn't Luke find a couple merch messages so that Dan can stay focused? Sure. Yeah, look in potential. I've got lots in potential.

Starting point is 01:05:00 Okay. Give me a moment. I've got to scroll all the way down there. Oh, God. You can close the individual tabs by clicking on them yeah because conrad is a god good call okay did you hello i've been one oh wait what do i how do i make it show i have to click curate into curated and then show from curated right if it's a potential yes or you can just read the curated

Starting point is 01:05:23 ones your call just read them i think it's fine okay you're not worried about showing them no you don't have to no okay just archive them though with the hint of an update on the gaming minivan could this lead to more videos on adding technology to vehicles and maybe linking into camping technology i doubt it um it's one of those things that i hate but is the truth like one of the reasons that we don't do much vr content anymore is that it's just not really commercially viable for us at our scale we need anywhere from 1.3 to two and a half million views in a video if i can't get a million to two million people, let's let's round it to that. If I can't get one to two million people interested enough

Starting point is 01:06:11 to watch it enough to count as a view, it's just it's it's not worth using an upload slot. Now, with that said, our intention is to build out more niche channels over the years but we're going to start with ones that have more growth potential than i think um uh yeah well huh actually oh this is wow what a depressing thought um i was about to, I want to start with ones that have more growth potential than, you know, van life. But, yeah, with the way that housing costs are going. Yeah, that has a lot of growth potential. anyway the point is i i think there are verticals that are closer to our area of expertise and that have a lot of growth potential that we would be focusing on first yeah um yeah uh hey dll what's your niche tech intro oh sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna come back to that in a second

Starting point is 01:07:25 i was wanted to say something i forgot what it was and now i remembered shopping for anything that isn't tech or isn't uh like mainline like phones tablets computers monitors that type of stuff as a tech nerd who absorbs that type of content is incredibly frustrating oh yeah because you try to look into like reviews for something and it's just listicle websites yep that are obviously just trying to farm amazon clicks that did no actual research into the product probably never even had it on them in the first place yep um or they're like no offense but maybe a little bit of offense certain like janky review channels that are very clearly just paid off like literally three quarters of the video is them just glowing over how amazing the company is and has like nothing to do with what the actual product is

Starting point is 01:08:18 doing or how good it is or any comparisons they're just like the packaging is amazing i love this company thank you for the sponsorship so stylish yeah like oh i don't care um it's it's actually so so frustrating but anyways hey uh hey dll what's your niche tech interest that won't make it into an ltt video also more dinosaur merch please sarah has already gotten me to confirm that more dinosaur merch is going to be a thing so all right fine you win uh as for my niche tech interest that i can't really make into a video uh there's man there's one i even have a title for it there's this vr haptic vest thing that um the title is like i don't care anymore or something like that like it's the super clickbaity title um and pretty much i want to make a video about it so that's why the title is i don't care anymore because i just want to and it doesn't i don't

Starting point is 01:09:20 care if you guys care about it i'm just i't care anymore. I want to make a video about this. And then I haven't gotten around to it because I've been busy. But I'm playing around with the big screen VR. I got, I hope this isn't embargoed, I got a new lens thing for it, wider field of view. Haven't been able to try it yet, though. I sent them a video of the difficulty that I was having yesterday and I haven't heard back yet

Starting point is 01:09:47 Yeah Dboss at Floatplane Chat actually just said what I was going to say which is there's an Assassin's Creed version of that haptic vest coming out it's just branded but yeah I want to try it because it seems like dumb fun right? The thing that I'm excited about with the

Starting point is 01:10:04 Assassin's Creed version is it's not made for VR so they're releasing the haptic vest for just normal games as well oh which is kind of sick why not both yeah i guess so yeah yeah probably best in vr you've seen that video of the guy who built like uh uh like a pneumatic arm of some sort that like goes into and then he fires the op and yeah i like the ones too where it just like shakes the table when there's recoil and it just bounces the monitor and the speakers all over the place very funny that would actually be a really fun multiplayer experience if everyone was doing it if you if you modded a game to have no recoil but everyone had their table shake. So the recoil is real. So it's all a matter of like,

Starting point is 01:10:48 how steady can you actually, how steady can you hold it? Not can you memorize a stupid pattern? Do it for a video and then have it at LTX 2024. Kind of like it. You could totally do it. It's doable. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:02 It's a lot of work. I don't know if it would get a ton of views I don't know if it's commercially viable clips of the the guy that has the thing that hits you and also the one that shakes his desk go all over the place

Starting point is 01:11:13 I know but that's very digestible and like a short format I think as a as a 13 14 18 minute video I don't know I don't know I don't know take it a long time sounds fun though anyway

Starting point is 01:11:24 you made a gaming van. Jessica says, BOX! What? BOX! BOX! I don't understand. You got that from his phone. I got the same messages. BOX! BOX! BOX! Oh, it's box time! You want me to bring out the box? BO Box time! I think I should probably do it.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Okay. Dan, Dan, Dan. Real Coil. Real Coil is an amazing brand name. It says Regal. You are 100% right. Real Coil mouse technology. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:55 Love it. Don't drop it. Oh, oh, God. Oh, God. Yeah, sure. Hold on. First, there's a really good floatplane message. I'm going to talk about this first, and then we'll look at this in a second. HQ A Bunch of Numbers asks,

Starting point is 01:12:15 Do you scale your clickbaity percentage so that the stuff that wouldn't normally get huge views will capture and use less clickbaity titles for very interesting content that would normally bring in huge views it is a balancing act you don't want to attract a viewer who will not be interested in the content but if we know the content is very interesting to our to our typical viewer even if it's not something that they would click on if we just said brand product name review and discussion right then we do tend to try to put flashier packaging on it because we know you'll enjoy it once you get in there are times when we will know that a video is not a banger and we will intentionally sandbag the title and thumbnail knowing that this is real this is for the hardcores uh you don't you don't want a lot of clicks with

Starting point is 01:13:11 crap retention yes or this is for the people who are interested in this niche only so there are there are going to be times when you will see a super straight shooting title from us because we actually do not want you to click on it unless you're super into that whereas other times yeah we're gonna gussy it up because we do think it has broader appeal and if that if we get you guys in and if you enjoy it youtube will serve it more um so yeah it's it's all about kind of it's more black magic than it is science but it's all about trying to find the best possible balance i demand box you demand box okay this is the box there's a yellow cable on the ground between you guys there's a yellow cable okay i heard of this um and it is perhaps better than I could have possibly imagined.

Starting point is 01:14:11 This is the Hit Me Dan. Hey, Dan, I hate to do this to you when you're so busy lighting your fingers on fire. It's not going to get better. Oh, wait. No, no, no. You're good. Never mind. I forgot I have a button. It's, thank God, it's Friday. You know. I forgot I have a button. There you go. Thank God it's Friday.

Starting point is 01:14:29 You know how I always say hit me Dan for the merch messages? Well now, I have a hit me Dan button, courtesy of Mello underscore labs, that will actually hit me. So if you just want to plug that in there. Mine! I didn't mean to press it, my bad. No, I, I, no, I, did you press the button? I pressed it. Oh, you did press the button, okay. So it doesn't just go when you, okay. No, I definitely pressed it. It's very 3D printed. Um,

Starting point is 01:14:54 so every time I say hit me, Dan, do we, do we have to I don't know if this could ever get old. I don't know why, but the sound is also quite satisfying. Go for it. That's great. All right. Well, that was 100 i'm assuming i'm assuming mellow labs has like some content on this mellow labs this is a real job that i have what a world we live in Yes Yes they do

Starting point is 01:15:44 Absolutely fantastic Here it is So you can learn all about Mellow Labs' journey creating The Hit Me Dan Um I don't know what to call it Hit Me Dan button The Hit Me Dan guy

Starting point is 01:16:01 Wow you can like beat the crap out of him. Dan, were you involved in the design? Because it seems like he really thought of everything here. Nope, he's line approved himself. This is the first I have ever seen this and... We need a little robot that just presses the button over and over again. Oh. Yeah, I mean you could even You could even just use machine learning. You could just have it listen to me and every time I say,

Starting point is 01:16:27 hit me, Dan, it would just... Yeah. Oh, do you think we could hook it into the Merch Message Dashboard so it looks for a hook and then I can broadcast a message and then... Don't talk about this

Starting point is 01:16:38 because Conrad will start working on it and that is not real work. Oh, Conrad's done. That is not real work. Imagine there was a fuss item that was only available during the show that punched Linus Sorry a fuss item. Oh What is it called? Yeah, fuss free a free upsell free upsell shelf. It's literally not a stupid name

Starting point is 01:17:02 It's the bonus bin that's where you get a free item with your order like stickers or whatever. Development teams like internal names. It's a thing. No, Conrad, that's not work. I mean, it's not connected to anything anyways. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so no. Not an STM32 in it? No, that's not real work. Oh no, it has to be Ethernet so we can have it on the redundant backup. It's not real work Okay, all right good. I don't think comrades in the chat Don't worry. I'll message you know it's no Dan. It's not real work, and if Conrad sees this he might like actually work on it No, let's do stuff like that. Yeah, no no it's not work. You have lots of quarterly goals Conrad. Yeah This is not one of them oh

Starting point is 01:17:48 oh god what's Jaden want Jaden I know your Conrad never sees this he wants he Jane wants people to use the beta player so they can see the new controls oh yeah yes that is real work yes yeah what if being such a good example for conrad oh boy anyways that was the box very good all right uh let's do another topic the boxing glove was in a box um thanks luke yeah no problem i got you uh what is it yeah more topics do we have any more main ones left knock hack apple amazon says it's not a very large online platform so funny their argument makes a little bit more sense when we get into it. It's still lame, dumb, whatever. But anyways, Amazon is challenging its classification as a very large online platform under the EU's Digital Services Act, which is kind of a big point.

Starting point is 01:18:56 This is not an American thing, which defines a very large online platform as any company that reaches at least 10% of the EU's population, or around 45 million people, every month. If you reach 45 million people every month, I think we can all agree you're a very large online platform, but please do go on. They include Google Play, Meta, Twitter, YouTube, Apple's App Store, Alibaba's AliExpress, and German retailer Zalando. The classification would require Amazon to meet elevated compliance standards for privacy, transparency, and protection of minors. And Amazon does not want to protect minors. So Amazon argues that as a

Starting point is 01:19:37 retailer, it should not be regulated like a social platform. It also argues that it is not the largest retailer in any of the EU countries where it operates. And none of these largest retailers in each European country has been designated as a VLOP. They say that this unfairly singles out Amazon with onerous administrative obligations. So they're trying to treat the individual countries instead of addressing the eu as the unified countries that it literally is which is funny man i'm kind of coming around to their argument a little bit i'm not okay because this is a european union thing and not a like okay germany okay well let's get through let's get through the because

Starting point is 01:20:25 they're talking about how many people it reaches in the eu why don't you get through the notes first anyways yeah um while amazon isn't the largest retailer in any eu country it is the largest online retailer uh in in in all but one of five of the most populous EU countries. So those other larger retailers are because they have physical locations. I see. The largest retailer in Europe is the German Schwarz Group, who owns supermarket chain Lidl. I've never actually tried to pronounce it out loud. L-I-D-L. No idea.

Starting point is 01:20:59 Lidl? Lidl? Something like that. Sure. But definitely not large. Kaufland. Kaufland. The Schwarz Group bought in 150 billion US dollars in 2021 compared to Amazon's $470 billion in revenue in the same year. The vast majority of that income came from in-person purchases, not online.

Starting point is 01:21:24 So hold on a second. Amazon revenue. Sorry, what was that? 2021? Yes. I mean, if that's global. Yeah. If that's their total revenue worldwide, which it does appear to be.

Starting point is 01:21:38 I mean, then, yeah, I kind of get their point. Just the fact that they happen to be an online company. No, they're saying, okay. But why doesn't Schwartz Group have to deal with this? The statement behind what they're saying is that if it reaches 10% of the EU population or 45 million people, at no point in time do they define individual countries

Starting point is 01:22:03 within the EU. And then Amazon goes, well, we're not big because we're not the biggest in individual countries, except they are the biggest online platform in those individual countries, even when you take the retail arm of the other ones. And it was never about the individual countries. It's about the EU. I mean, I guess it all depends on, you know, really what these, what these regulations are, are after, right? Like if the, if it's just, you know, the protection of minors or whatever else, then yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're

Starting point is 01:22:33 not an online platform, then it's not really relevant to you. I'm going to, and if you are an online platform, then you should have to take care of that. I'm going to flip slightly on the other side and say that it, they, they say that it's about privacy, transparency, and the protection of minors. But as everyone knows, laws will say they're about whatever and then attempt to accomplish a wide range of other unrelated things. But if one of the wide range of unrelated things is to make life more difficult for Amazon. Yeah, I don't care at all. Yeah, it's kind of hard to feel bad for them yeah with that said you know I I think that this point about you know the German Schwarz group um you know also being an

Starting point is 01:23:15 enormous conglomerate and probably also needing some you know kicks in the shin I'm not against them also having kicks in the shin but i'm pretty sure part of the point of this is not chomping down on retailers that are country specific right and specifically because you want like the uniqueness of countries you want the the the smaller like we serve this one country really well companies to still be okay and not to bother them but to add some oversight to country to companies that are trying to go wide reaching which is why this is again has literally nothing to do with any of the individual countries within europe and has very specifically things to do about the population

Starting point is 01:24:03 that is across the EU as a whole, which is, I believe, like the whole point. Yeah, and it's also a little disingenuous for Amazon to try to classify themselves as a retailer. AWS is not retail. What percentage of their business is AWS now? I'd be, I'd be very curious to know in the fourth quarter, AWS generated 21.4 billion in revenue representing 14% of Amazon's total

Starting point is 01:24:35 revenue. So I guess they are still a retailer, but for them to go, Oh, you know, mercy me. How could you possibly treat us like an online platform when really we're just the infrastructure that online platforms use? We should have no responsibility for any of that.

Starting point is 01:24:53 We're a retailer. Wait, hold on. Okay, so to go back to your argument. I'm not sure what my argument is at this point. I've never understood it really the whole time. But that's okay. I'm just not sure. I'm saying this is a gray area i'm saying that they think so because okay so

Starting point is 01:25:09 amazon's argument is they're saying like we're not the largest retailer in any of these countries but again they're the largest online retailer in all but five sure and they're competing against in-store sales which probably don't have there's like an online component they have as many issues with things like privacy and whatnot they have some yeah there's video cameras in there sure they might track card sales sure there's things they can collect there's things like loyalty programs there's there's been stuff in the news for many many years about like certain stores knowing that people are pregnant before like their partners do and stuff because of their their shopping habits and like different things like that stores can get creepy don't get me wrong don't get it twisted um but it's it's it's a different

Starting point is 01:25:53 ball game and they also do run social platforms yeah twitch.com comes to mind i would consider that to be very much a social platform and very high risk i guess when it comes to um collecting and profiting off of data from miners i mean i don't want to generalize but i suspect they're on kick now it's okay a lot of viewers on a platform like twitch are young yeah yeah so like i i i don't know i think this is bs one it's framed as a eu thing not an individual country thing and their argument is based on individual countries and two it specifically says online platform and then their argument is mostly around places that do very little online so their argument has no actual thing though, is I do feel that some parts of this push are arbitrary. Why 45 million?

Starting point is 01:26:48 Why that number? So what if I reach... It's 10%. Okay, why not 9%? If I reached 8% of the EU every month, is it? Am I not a very large online platform? Every month, yeah. Sounds very large to me.

Starting point is 01:27:04 You have to draw the line somewhere i mean yeah it's true it's just why do humans like numbers that are round it's easy if we had a base four counting system would it would the number have been four percent or eight i don't know maybe probably eight yeah because it's just with the the easier thing to parse, right? It's going to end up being a five or a 10. Yeah, I guess I see their point, but I also see why this has to happen. And I see why they are no, not the same thing as Schwarz group, but I also am sort of generally anti conglomeratization.

Starting point is 01:27:41 Um, yeah. And so, which is why I think this is structured the way that it is sure uh consolidation that's the word i was looking for it's very late i'm very tired yeah i'm i'm generally i'm generally sort of anti-consolidation i just like being a small platform that if we grew a ton like a float plane grew a very very large amount there are certain things that we would have to do now that we are serving a certain amount of people and all this type of type of stuff yeah it gets it

Starting point is 01:28:09 gets harder i appreciate that it doesn't start getting harder until you start growing to a minimum size because a lot of these things that they require you to do take a lot of work maybe not a lot of work when you're in Amazon but when you're a floatplane adding one or two people onto staff is very substantial yeah so I appreciate that we are not subject to all of the things that you have to do if we were like the CBC or something sure but we're also so much smaller that I don't think anyone would make the argument that we're a very large platform

Starting point is 01:28:45 regardless of what base. Yeah, but there's a variety of different levels. Like if you look at the app store, the Apple app store, there's that $1 million level. That's not really that high when you're talking about company finances. I'm not trying to be out of touch here, but it's company finances. It's a different thing. I don't have a million dollars. But company finances, that's not that high. But just on the app store we're not touching that yeah we're not touching that which is nice and when we do okay we have some more work to do but hey we're making that much that's cool yeah and there's there's these

Starting point is 01:29:16 lines all the way up right so like they got to draw the line somewhere does 10 seem fair probably i don't know if one in 10 people use your thing in a country, that sounds like you're pretty big. Yeah. Honestly, if one in 20 people in your country used it, that sounds very big too. In a month. Like that's, that's okay. I feel like some people are kind of missing my point here a little bit. When I, when I say that I feel like the 10% is pretty arbitrary.

Starting point is 01:29:52 That is monthly users. That's a lot of people that's a that's yeah that's very large i would i would look at the things that it caught i would make the argument that one in 20 is very large i i i guess i i just i'm having a hard time understanding exactly where the line i wonder if it's because there's certain and and I don't know the population numbers that I have to look into this, but I wonder if it's because like, oh, hey, there's a company that happens to be very frequently used in the like three finger countries. So like Finland, Norway, Sweden. Sure. So it's used across those.

Starting point is 01:30:23 I don't know the population numbers. Don't worry about it. And because it's used across those very heavily by like everyone, it just happens to cross 8% or something. It doesn't really seem right. That's not really what we're trying to target, you know, like ubiquitous, but across a small amount of countries is not really what we're trying to target. So they shift it up or something like that.

Starting point is 01:30:47 I could see some things causing the percentage to go up. One thing I will take issue with in Amazon's argument is that they feel singled out. They are absolutely not singled out. The definition of single is one. You know, if someone was part of a thruple, okay. And describe themselves as single, you would tell them to fuck off, right? And this is extremely polyamorous.

Starting point is 01:31:16 There's Google. AliExpress. Well, no, I'm talking, no, I'm, I'm talking just retailers because they said they felt singled out as a retailer, aliexpress i would make the argument is every bit as much a retailer even though alibaba group is obviously it has their fingers in all kinds of things so does amazon right and then this zolando zolando is apparently one that that was caught up in this i'm gonna here we go and they're like everywhere well everywhere in europe i'd never heard of them before.

Starting point is 01:31:45 Wow, that's quite the photo shoot. But these guys are very European, for one thing. What's happening? We're taking this to the British Museum. And very much a retailer. Is this a video? What is even happening right now i think it's pausing the slideshow sure yeah yeah sorry i liked that joke too much um okay Anywho Oh man

Starting point is 01:32:27 Yeah I I think it's Defined very European I will not That picture though Was very European Yeah Imagine not hearing about Zalando

Starting point is 01:32:43 Common Canadian L Why the hell would I have heard about it? Do they even ship to Canada? Do you have Ralphs? Yeah, where's your Payless shoes? Where's our Payless shoes? Where's your Canadian tire? Imagine not having heard of Canadian tire.

Starting point is 01:33:02 They probably don't even have any Canadian tire money. Imagine not having heard of Canadian Tire. They probably don't even have any Canadian Tire money. I can't believe how much money, rare Canadian Tire money is worth now. You know this is a thing, right? No, but it totally makes sense. Canadian Tire is a retailer that in Canada, obviously, you can get auto work done. You can get auto work done, but they have all kinds of like housewares and like home improvement goods and like outdoor apparel and equipment and stuff like that. Anyway, they used to have this program where everything you spent, a percentage of it, they would, there you go, they would give you a percentage of it back in Canadian tire money.

Starting point is 01:33:47 And, you know, everyone kind of treated this stuff as basically worthless. It was a way of them discounting without a significant redemption rate, I suspect. And at some point... Yeah, because you'd like lose it because you have like five cent bills. Yeah. At some point, the cost of producing this Canadian tire money became not sensible anymore. And I think they still have the program, or at least they carried it on for a while. It's probably digital now. In a digital form of some sort.

Starting point is 01:34:09 Or didn't. I don't know. I don't care. The point is Canadian Tire Money, the physical kind, eventually went away. And because, you know, people are, I don't know, they love Canadian Tire or because they meme it. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:34:24 The point is there are misprints and there are particularly rare pieces of Canadian Tire money that have become collector's items. So it's like anything that everyone throws away. It's like the things to collect are either the actually numbered, actually rare ones or the commodity crap that literally everybody threw away. You know, like a coffee can. If you have a vintage coffee can, and everything today will be vintage someday, right? If you have a vintage coffee can, that will be worth something to someone someday, I promise you.

Starting point is 01:34:57 So either collect garbage or stuff that is actually in limited supply. Never in between. I'm looking on eBay for Canadian canadian tire money what you got nine hundred dollars for rare canadian tire money a lot of five bills canadian tire paper money seven 75th anniversary rare a sealed 100 canadian tire commemorative note that is actually very rare because you would have to spend a ton of money to get $100 in Canadian Tire money.

Starting point is 01:35:29 It was a very low percentage rebate. I mean, they had two cent bills or whatever they give you. So yeah, getting up to 200 bucks would have to be crazy. Some corporate buying or something. Yeah, there's not a ton of it available, but there definitely is some. It's a thing. Seven uncirculated bills.

Starting point is 01:35:46 A lot of five rare 25 cent Canadian tire money. Light purple design. What do you do with this stuff when you have it? You collect it. You're a collector. You show people your Canadian tire money collection and you hope they approve. Wow, that's cool. Man, I had a pretty sad moment a little while ago

Starting point is 01:36:06 you know that bubble hockey thing that i bought that i like really love um i was hanging out on some pinball forum because they have an owner's thread for super checks and i was just like i was just you know seeing what people are into where they integrate it into their um you know their arcade room or whatever, you know, what they use it for. So it's a combination of private owners and people who run arcades and like gaming houses. Modifications or whatever else. Anyway, so yeah, there's a lot of modifications.

Starting point is 01:36:35 There's OEM modifications you can make where you can actually upgrade Super Chex to Super Chex Pro, which has like a Jumbotron and additional features and stuff like that. You can get replacement parts. Like that Jumbotron? No, no, like a better one withron and additional features and stuff like that. You can get replacement parts. Like that Jumbotron or like? No, no, like a better one. Oh, okay. With like video on it and stuff. Cool.

Starting point is 01:36:49 You can get replacement ice surfaces, new pucks, new players, you can get super customized players where like, man, there's people who will like put the right helmet for like that particular player on it and stuff and like it gets pretty wild anyway. None of that is the point the point is i came across this video from this guy who tricked out a super checks in his house and i was watching this video with the context of kind of reading a lot of posts in the owner's

Starting point is 01:37:20 thread about how much they love the game and how hard it is to get any use out of their machine because it requires two people to play and it was there's like this kind of sad forever alone vibe um and it's a pinballer forum right so a lot of them are probably also into pinball used to solo games which is a one player game so like no problem but super checks i love this game i love to play i have nobody to play with. And I'm watching this video. The guy, like, man, I can't believe how modded this game is. All the players are custom, like, super accurate. Sorry. Jaden just posted Flow Play chat.

Starting point is 01:37:57 Customized players try ours out on the beta site for Flow Play. Hockey players, okay? so this thing is tricked out he basically built dream teams for two teams uh like completely dressed up the outside of it removed the bubble so it doesn't have a bubble anymore it has stanchions okay new nets new surface the surface is not just brand new but it's actually like texture like not textured but like um digitally altered to look like it's scuffed up like like skated on so it's got like a cool like ice look on it his jumbotron not only has a custom full motion video like instant replay that plays showing a goal like obviously it's not reflective of what happened on the ice

Starting point is 01:38:47 but he actually I guess he works in the industry because he had a couple of commentators who work in the NHL like who cast NHL games he had them record custom like commentary for like near misses and for goals and stuff

Starting point is 01:39:04 like it's wild and then at the end of the video he and his wife square off each wearing jerseys to match the the teams they're playing against and you can just tell she gives exactly zero f**ks whatsoever like he tries to kind of hype the game and she's like you always win and she's just a hundred percent being super supportive and amazing but as someone who has that wife who is super supportive and amazing

Starting point is 01:39:35 but does not f***ing care about my super checks game I felt very personally attacked because I could definitely detect the vibe no one's beat him yet yeah I am currently unbeaten I've gotten really close

Starting point is 01:39:53 more than once but have definitely still not done it which makes me sad now I feel like I have to I feel like I have to show this now someone in the chat said we require Canadian badminton money I was thinking it could be funny for an April Fool's to have like LTT store money I feel like I have to show this now. Someone in the flowpoint chat said, we require Canadian badminton money. I was thinking it could be funny for an April Fool's to have like LTT store money.

Starting point is 01:40:09 Like actually ship people like fake cash. Okay, here, I think this is the one. Here is this. Oh, wait, no, this isn't the one. Nope, this is a different one. Hold on. I'm gonna, now I feel like I have to find it. No, this isn't the one. Nope. This is a different one. Hold on. I'm gonna I'm now I feel like I have to find it No, this is a different people get super into this thing. It turns out though, which is

Starting point is 01:40:33 wild to me Oh man, no, man, this is this is crazy. This guy modded his to not be a bubble anymore This is a different tabletop hockey but he like put an arena around it like people get super into this game to the point where even as someone who is a dum-dum and like bought one because lol um i really want to play it all the time i don't get it yeah no i can't uh i can't find this oh well doesn't matter point is that's a thing that definitely happened okay next topic yeah um That one's kind of boring. EU will require replaceable batteries in all phones.

Starting point is 01:41:32 Have you seen this? This is pretty exciting. Yeah. The European Council has officially decided that all phones sold in the EU will be required to have easily replaceable batteries by 2027. Which, a lot of times times when this kind of stuff happens, it's further back than that. That's like actually pretty soon. There's probably products currently in their development cycles that would line up for 2027. So it'll be interesting how this plays out. But anyways, one goal of the new regulation is to increase longevity and repairability. But another is to make batteries more easily replaceable

Starting point is 01:42:05 and create a circular economy for battery materials like rare earth metals. Discussion question. To what extent will this affect how phones are designed outside of the EU? Is this an opportunity for smaller manufacturers or just large OEMs? All phones sold in the EU. That's a lot of people. What was it? 10%?

Starting point is 01:42:26 So the 450 million? Is that accurate? 10% to the EU is 45 million? Someone found the thing for me. Oh boy. Sorry. Sorry. I wasn't listening to you at all.

Starting point is 01:42:37 Oh wow. This is it though. Wow. Like it's kind of cool. I feel like the puck would still fly out. Look at this custom like like, light thing, jumbotron thing. I don't know what any of this is.

Starting point is 01:42:54 Oh, he's a hypnotist or something. Anyway, the point is, this is amazing. The enthusiasm. You can tell from the expression on her face. She's got the jersey on, though. She's there. She's playing.

Starting point is 01:43:12 She does the cheer thing. She's being cool. But yeah, you can tell. But she's being cool. Yeah. She's being super cool about it. Good partner. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:43:23 And then he immediately starts destroying her that jumbotron is amazing i know right okay hold on we gotta we gotta watch we gotta watch a little bit wow yeah and all the customized players that's crazy oh man his has like if you see to the right of her. Look how like focused he is. Oh man. That's great. Sorry, what were you going to say?

Starting point is 01:43:51 To the right of her right hand. Yeah. Where the like boo button is on yours. Yeah. What is that? Why is there like three buttons? Not sure. Oh my goodness.

Starting point is 01:44:01 Check this out though. Is that amazing or what? Oh my goodness. And he's like dancing. Heck yeah. Yeah, it plays music. Yeah. The enthusiasm level mismatch though was very amusing to me.

Starting point is 01:44:16 Oh man, that's great. Okay, back to EU and phones. Colonel Sanders in Twitch chat says that's accurate to the ads in that arena too yeah he even had the ads along the boards done to match the arena wow absolutely wild anyway sorry okay what are we talking about eu replaceable batteries phones yes do you think this will result in replaceable batteries outside of the eu yes or no because like if apple wants to sell a phone in the eu and this actually like is a thing they'll have to have replaceable batteries in the eu are we going to go back to like eu and elsewhere models is this a big enough deal that apple would

Starting point is 01:44:58 just say okay forget it no iphones in the eu feel like... It's 450 million customers. If I'm Apple, I'm kind of sitting here going... You guys can't dictate how we build our products. I simply won't allow it. Your citizens want iPhones, and so you're just going to have to you're going to have to yield we do do they do they try to play hardball here because we already we already kind of see where they could go with the usbc thing right they could just say okay forget it then uh we're

Starting point is 01:45:42 just going to go all megsafe all the time. We're going to have no cables. That is not even an improbable outcome. But if the EU really does say, yeah, it has to be user serviceable, easily replaceable, they want to create a circular economy for battery materials like rare earth metals. I don't see a loophole for that one, at least not an obvious one like there is with the usbc requirement like requiring everyone to use the same standard for

Starting point is 01:46:09 cables they'll be just well we don't have a cable so whatever we need it's not applicable to us um i i could see them trying to play hardball here apple doesn't like to be pushed around no they like to push around that is a massive amount of money they'll be losing, though. Yes, but... It's like, I looked at some stat counter website, no idea how accurate it is. It said about 35% of EU citizens have iPhones. 35%, 450 million.

Starting point is 01:46:40 But knowing that so much of Apple's iPhone revenue is based on long- app store purchases, is this something where they just kind of play a long game, skip a generation to show they mean business? See if they drop it. See if... The skip a generation thing is interesting. Support the older phones for longer to make sure that the customer base doesn't decay too much. Because there's no way the EU is going to be able to force them to make their old models that were created before. Whatever. So keep selling the old ones.

Starting point is 01:47:17 So they keep selling old ones. It says all phones sold in the EU will be required to have easily replaceable batteries. I mentioned at the very beginning the timeline seems aggressive that seems very aggressive we're halfway through 2023 i guarantee you there are products that are currently in development that would be released easily replace with no tools and no expertise. I don't know about that one. I just don't know if this seems realistic. I don't know about the no tools thing. I don't know if that's even a good idea.

Starting point is 01:47:55 Because we had those. Those were flimsy phones for the most part. I think. I'm trying to remember. With that said, if the amount of engineering work that has gone into making these things disposable went into making them not flimsy and feel premium and have replaceable batteries, maybe they wouldn't be flimsy.

Starting point is 01:48:12 Maybe they wouldn't suck. Yeah. Fair enough. Not no tools, but no proprietary tools. Are our notes bad? That's a big difference. Okay. That's great then.

Starting point is 01:48:27 Okay, well then that's perfect. Love it. Fantastic. Can we just have like screws? Like honestly. What's wrong with screws? I don't know. I like screws.

Starting point is 01:48:38 I would like to know... Ltdstore.com screwdriver. When everyone fell out of love with screws. And why? Oh, do I have my backpack? Where's my backpack? How do they maintain waterproof rating? Oh, I have a really cool screwdriver to show you.

Starting point is 01:48:54 Also, you mean water resistant. Um, okay. Uh, no, Dan, it's okay. I think you can It can't be far. You can merge message. Oh, he needs a break. That makes sense. Yeah, he needs a break. That makes sense. Yeah, he's like... I am leaving.

Starting point is 01:49:09 You come back whenever you're ready. You here? Y'all come back. Oh, there it is. Okay. Okay, this is super cool. I think I have... Oh, wait, no.

Starting point is 01:49:20 No, I don't have it. I think the Creator Warehouse team took it from me and they said they were going to give back to me, and then they didn't I have a prototype of our upcoming precision driver Well, I don't have it all right. Have you checked your dashboard thing in a while? Wait that can't be right. It's right. No that can't be right wait what that hold on a second that can't be no that actually Can't be right though. No, you have to refresh. No, that's not right.

Starting point is 01:49:47 There's some problems at the moment. Refreshing it does fix it. Okay, yeah. Mine says 2,000 arriving. That isn't right. Yeah, that's not true, but the order is on the stats page. That is right, as far as my understanding goes. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:01 That's when you consider the shipping implications of that. Yeah, no, I know. It was nice working for you, Linus. Yeah, goes yeah it's when you consider the shipping implications of that yeah no i know it was uh it was nice working for you linus yeah no it's i will probably be cut for budget reasons no you're fine um thanks europe you're gonna be retained for budget reasons yeah internship okay at least um at least quite a few people have taken Mercy and ordered a screwdriver. Nice. I should have said, have Mercy order a backpack. Order 40 backpacks. Yeah, that's an option.

Starting point is 01:50:37 That'll save on shipping costs. Let's see, what else? Hold on, I'm going to sort by gross margin. Okay. gonna i'm gonna sort by um gross margin okay and i'm just gonna suggest some things you guys might want to order uh the abcs of gaming it's good it's good it's good i actually get feedback often that both the abcs of gaming and the blocks thing the letter sorter yes shape sorter i think we're out of stock of the shape sorter so don't don't focus on that all right abcs of gaming though lots of stock um uh okay i already said desk pads so that's good uh i already said water bottles so that's good we do make money on those things you can order stick locks the little joystick covers for your for your

Starting point is 01:51:29 for your controllers I don't know some underwear underwear it's good underwear we're making our way into stuff that's just more like normal margins and cargo shorts i don't know uh okay well whatever it's fine um if i wanted to get backpacks for 40 ish people is there any better way to order than just through the store uh uh i think we have some bulk order thing coming. I think in the long term, we're working on some kind of like,

Starting point is 01:52:08 like just, just thing where you just, it says in quantities of 10 plus, it goes down to whatever, because we've had a number of, we haven't had many people ask us about that for the backpack, but we've had a lot of people ask about it for screwdriver. Hey,

Starting point is 01:52:21 I want to outfit my whole shop with them. 40 backpacks. I mean, yeah, i think we could probably swing a deal for you i think the best thing to do would be to contact customer service if you're actually serious about that and we could we could work something out another question you might know uh someone at full plane chat if i order two pieces of the same mystery thing will they make sure to send two different ones. We ask them to. Sometimes they bung it up. Seems fair enough. Yeah. So hopefully not.

Starting point is 01:52:49 Yeah. Split screen is breaking everything down. Can you stop? By his own admission, ABCs of Gaming, stick locks, underwear are highest margin in that order. I was pretty transparent about just scrolling through. I guess so.

Starting point is 01:53:07 With that said, a margin percentage is not necessarily reflective of how profitable something is. So ABCs of Gaming is really high gross margin, but has much higher handling cost proportionally compared to something that costs more because it's $14.99. But our handling cost is like in the dollars. So if I had something that was 40 bucks and had less percentage margin, I could probably still make more money on that because it's easier to absorb that handling fee. So it's, it's complicated, but, um, sort of, yes. All right. Um, sort of yes all right um

Starting point is 01:53:47 we are not going to be able to address every merch message guys uh no tonight i can't that is actually impossible but what we can do is get through the rest of our topics how's it going dan the playstation 5 access controller is coming out in December. So cool. I'm actually super hyped about this. It's launching globally on December 6th. The controller is highly customizable, comes with multiple styles of buttons and joystick caps, and can be programmed with up to 30 control profiles.

Starting point is 01:54:19 The button layout is fully customizable, and the buttons can be disabled to stop accidental presses if you happen to have a condition that would make that likely. The suggested retail price is $90, which is $20 more than a standard first-party PlayStation 5 controller, but $40 less than the Xbox Adaptive controller, which has been the standard and accessible controller since it launched five years ago. And is also super cool. Just to give them a shout out too, they did this first. Yep. I'm very, very happy that this one exists.

Starting point is 01:54:49 I'm really hoping it's PC compatible as well. I also really like that it's quite different than the adaptive controller. Yeah. That's super cool. As we move towards a future where more and more games are multi-platform anyway, As we move towards a future where more and more games are multi-platform anyway, if the difference in accessibility controller designs means that we can actually hit a wider variety of gamers overall, that's awesome. 100%. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:55:26 This is great. that there's a lot of opportunity here for um for people that that don't technically need the functionality of a different controller but could find cool ways to use it yeah it's a very interestingly designed controller i could absolutely see people using this uh for like video editing applications um tons of different things and it's i i've heard some people being like oh i wish people didn't buy it for that because so there's more availability for the people that need it no you want people to buy it for that because then they make more and they keep investing in the platforms so it's good yeah it's very good this is very exciting the more people buy it the the quicker they're able to amortize their tooling costs that's a good thing someone someone in the chat says, nothing says the PlayStation controller is PC compatible. Yeah, I don't know if it's out yet.

Starting point is 01:56:09 It's PlayStation. I would kind of expect it to be eventually, maybe not on launch. Maybe they'll figure it out later down the line or something. I don't know. But PlayStation and Sony do seem to be embracing PC stuff a lot more lately. So I would be personally pretty surprised

Starting point is 01:56:22 if it didn't become compatible or if it wasn't compatible from the start speaking of playstation exclusives are you gonna play final fantasy 16 on playstation no you're gonna wait for pc absolutely yeah me too i'm not buying a playstation for that i heard it's really good david said he literally cried more playing that game than any other piece of media he's ever consumed. You know, when it's also going to be really good. He finished the whole thing and then started playing it again immediately. Whoa.

Starting point is 01:56:52 Yeah, that's like, yeah. For a single player game. Yeah, I'm like. For like a long one too. Yeah, I'm tempted. It will still be good when it comes out on PC. Yeah, you're right. Also, you could probably just borrow one from work.

Starting point is 01:57:07 I know. That's the principle of the thing. Yeah. If I don't think it's worth buying a console over, I'm not going to... Yeah. You're also like, how do you feel about PlayStation controllers?

Starting point is 01:57:20 We just talked them up on their new controller, and I apologize because I'm very happy you're doing that. Okay, in general, no. But the DualSense is actually excellent. I just can't. My hands can't handle. How much time have you spent with a DualSense? It's bigger.

Starting point is 01:57:35 It's more ergonomic. Oh, wait, what? I thought they were all called DualSense. No, no, no. DualShock. Oh, zero minutes probably. Okay, no. DualSense is excellent. The ergonomics are a lot better old playstation controllers i i would rather use a duke like i can't no the old ones are terrible

Starting point is 01:57:52 yeah and anyone who says they're not terrible is a fanboy i'm sorry i've never understood the draw other than just obviously obviously i'm being combative just yeah yeah everyone's hands are shaped a little bit differently it's okay if you actually do like the dual shock but the dual sense is markedly better okay cool yeah cool but yeah anyways i am stoked that they made this controller a lot of the features of it look absolutely fantastic very happy they're entering the space having some amount of competition is super cool uh having it not just be microsoft Microsoft as much as Microsoft did a fantastic job with their accessibility controller having there be some options is great if you're a PlayStation specific gamer but you have a really

Starting point is 01:58:33 hard time with controllers now having this option is fantastic I hope they bring it to PC it's just very cool that people that need it have more options I think that's great I don't think there's anything bad to say about it, really. Want to see something funny? Can you guess where the WAN show started on this sales per hour graph? Oh, man. Whatever, I'll just show you guys. Ah, you can't see, but

Starting point is 01:59:01 there's a, basically it goes like the day, there's like a spike and there's like yeah um yeah nvidia might be leaning on board partners to avoid intel arc battle mage collaborations according to russian youtube channel pro high tech an inside source leaked that nvidia is threatening to limit chip shipments or stop working with board partners that launch products based on intel's battle mage this allegation is currently unconfirmed but um is consistent with nvidia's past alleged behavior such as pushing partners in its geforce program to use completely distinct branding on am AMD graphics cards before eventually backing down. Our discussion tactic, is this a realistic,

Starting point is 01:59:50 our discussion question, is this a realistic tactic coming from NVIDIA and what's the motive here? The motive is twofold. The motive is profit, obviously, but even more importantly, control. NVIDIA is one of those companies that is all about control, controlling the messaging, controlling the experience, and there are a lot of good things about nvidia controlling the experience because if i was nvidia would i want who i consider to be my customer to be at the mercy of asus software or an MSI guide.

Starting point is 02:00:30 And I'm even picking relatively big board partners here. Right? No, no, I wouldn't want that. And I'm sure NVIDIA has been burned many a time. But MSI guides. Would I want my product to be devalued by partners who don't respect me and themselves enough to make margin so you know this is one of those things i feel like i i've talked about before but i haven't talked about in a long time it's a very different cultural approach businesses western businesses approach business, Western businesses versus Eastern businesses to, um, sustainability.

Starting point is 02:01:08 So Western businesses do have a tendency to protect their margins. And I'm talking specifically about the technology industry. I don't know anything about, you know, the financial industry or insurance or whatever. I don't want to talk about any of that because that's not my expertise, but when it comes to tech, Western businesses have a tendency to protect their margin, to protect the value of their product, to protect their ability to continue to invest in R&D. Also, to protect their shareholders. Let's not kid ourselves. That's a major factor. Whereas what you tend to see with Eastern businesses is a bit of a race to zero. We can slash the margin.

Starting point is 02:01:48 We'll make it up in volume. We've got the production capacity. We have to use it. And neither is necessarily correct. But if you are a Western business that values protecting the value of the product by not discounting it too much, and you know that your Eastern board partners are going to, would slit each other's throats for a nickel and are going to try to push each other out of business

Starting point is 02:02:20 by running at zero margin for as long as possible, you're kind of sitting there going, well, if none of you are going to make money anyway, and we know that the market can bear a higher price for the product, well, then I'll just take the margin. And I think that's one of the things that has driven NVIDIA over the years to take more and more and more and more of the profit away from their board partners and go, okay, well, there's a consolidation effect

Starting point is 02:02:45 because more and more board partners are dropping out, whether it's the BFGs of the world or the EVGAs of the world. Also sad. Right? And so if you guys want to make money by making no profit margin but doing lots of volume, well, then this is great for you because fewer and fewer companies are able to survive as a board partner. And it's great for us because we'll just take more of the overall profit margin um based on the msrp and you have no way of pushing the price lower

Starting point is 02:03:10 because you're not the one actually making any money and all the money you make is in is in kickbacks that we give you if you play nicely so nvidia is all about making money, but they're all about control. So why do they not want their partners building ARK Battlemage products? Well, because all of a sudden, A, they will lose some money because there will be more Battlemage out there and probably Battlemage will be a more viable option than Alchemist has been. And B, because that will give their partners leverage against them, leverage in the form of margin, leverage in the form of marketing and brand positioning and leverage in the form of not needing NVIDIA so much that they'll just bend over and take whatever NVIDIA is giving. literally said this is not the plan and I don't necessarily foresee it happening, but it would be pretty sick if EVGA reentered the GPU space by making like

Starting point is 02:04:08 whatever the third or fourth iteration of Intel cards is or something like that. As far as I'm concerned, it would be sick if EVGA survived. Yeah. Based on recent rumors, that's not a given, but they have said that everything's fine.

Starting point is 02:04:22 Then again, I haven't checked if there's been any updates in the last week let me do there i mean now i feel like we can still buy lanyards yeah nothing since seven eight days ago it looks like so i don't know i guess we'll see anyway yeah i would love to see evga come back as an intel board partner and And I'd love to see an Intel GPU that is legit competitive. Arc Alchemist is only competitive because Intel is just eating it on every single chip, as far as I can tell. Like those are enormous pieces of silicon compared to what AMD and Nvidia are shipping

Starting point is 02:05:02 at those price points. And that's where the cost is. Thankfully, Intel runs their own fabs. So, you know, they can kind of play a little loose with the numbers. But I'm also really glad that Intel hasn't bailed. Because there were, speaking of rumors about exits, there were a lot of rumors swirling about the Intel Arc graphics division. And it looks like Nooks are gone.

Starting point is 02:05:26 Arc is still around. I forgot about that. When I heard about them killing Nooks, I was wondering if that's where some of the lines kind of got crossed. I doubt it. No? Yeah, I really doubt it. Those are such different business units,

Starting point is 02:05:40 and a lot of the rumors were really specifically about Arc and because of things that were happening with ARK. Right. Yeah, yeah. I will give it to Intel. They adamantly and the whole time said they were not going to shut it down. Yeah, but that's what everyone does. Google also was like about to launch new games on Stadia.

Starting point is 02:06:02 And then we're like, see you later. But then that's Google. And then just launched new top-level domains and then killed their domain company. Yeah. Hilarious. Yeah. All right, next topic.

Starting point is 02:06:16 Oh, this is actually kind of cool. Ancient Windows updates are now available. Windows Update Restored, a community project, is restoring functionality to the old update pages for defunct versions of Windows. From launch, the site will support Windows 95,

Starting point is 02:06:32 Windows NT, Windows 98 First and Second Edition, Windows Millennium Edition, and Windows 2000 is planned to be added for the future. The updates will be available for download, but the group stresses that it is unaffiliated with Microsoft and these old updates are provided in an as-is state for archival purposes.

Starting point is 02:06:49 I really hope Microsoft doesn't be a dick and make them pull this down. I agree. I also want to make an additional note that none of the operating systems listed are secure in any way. And should not be used online. Yes. These updates are to help people get retro machines going so they can play old games or do it or run their old cnc sure or you know whatever oh yeah yeah i thought it purely from like a i want to have fun perspective but there's tons of applications where this would be helpful for shops and different commercial places that still use very old computers that aren't connected to the internet because they don't need to be

Starting point is 02:07:25 because they do the same thing for 30 years. Absolutely. Okay. You said this wasn't a major topic, which is why it's... You said this was a rapid, rapid fire. What? Like a super minor topic. Which bit?

Starting point is 02:07:38 This is a huge deal. Battalion 1944 is refunding all their crowdfunding backers i just didn't want to talk about the hammer oh oh you just don't want to talk about the coal bar yeah but this is so good this is what we always say like you should do this is very cool it's also kind of uh sad that it didn't work out for them yeah but it's also super cool yeah seven years after world war ii shooter battalion 1944 received four hundred and ten thousand dollars via kickstarter developer bulkhead studios is offering a full refund to all backers as an apology for a late launch and failing to deliver the console release promised by their crowdfunding campaign communication with kickstarter backers

Starting point is 02:08:22 dried up back in 2018 leaving the community to speculate bulkhead then parted ways with the game's original publisher square enix in 2022 the developer was acquired this past december by splash damage who after finding out that bulkhead was still trying to save money to provide a refund so cool oh that's awesome i didn't know this part offered to help resolve the issue that is so cool backers who want a refund will have to respond within 30 days and refunds will be issued in the following three months after that window has closed which all sounds fair enough uh you don't want to be dealing with this for literally ever um this is amazing big ups to splash damage yeah and obviously bulkhead but also splash damage yeah so uh joe

Starting point is 02:09:10 brammer replied to a question about like can someone provide some context on why this happened generally when a kickstarter goes belly up uh the money is just gone and so joe says this isn't a sustainable model just refunding money we definitely spent no uh but what's important to us is how public we made our commitment to our players and being gamers ourselves this is how we would want to be treated it was much later than anticipated and the physical rewards were not delivered it's not about the money it's about ethos for us yeah 100 this is exactly what i was saying when i talked about that um that kalios rebirth with the partnership with uh streetcom right so you want to continue to exist you got to make it

Starting point is 02:09:52 right yeah exactly you want you want to you want to be taken seriously well it doesn't matter that you spent that kickstarter money what matters is what you said you were going to do and whether or not you did it i don't i don't so some context here guys this was a previous one show that maybe you didn't watch but calios was the company that promised fanless cooling cases to a bunch of backers people paid like what was it like 500 bucks or whatever it was i don't remember the exact amount 400 500 dollars or euro or something and ultimately they didn deliver. And now a new case is coming from Kaleos in partnership with Streacom, that's going to cost twice as much. And what they're offering for the original backers is a coupon code off the new one for the value of their original backing.

Starting point is 02:10:36 And I basically said, okay, that should be an option. But this is something that costs twice as much. And you said you were going to deliver a product and you never did. And it's been like, however many years, it's been years. And they were, I said, the other option should be a refund. If people want the money back, they should get the money back. And they were like, we've considered it and no. And I basically said, okay, then I'm not going to cover your product. I'm sorry. That's just not going to be how this works because that's the correct thing to do. And it's not that much money. To be clear, I think it was like half a million dollars or something like that. And half a million dollars is a lot of money. But in the context

Starting point is 02:11:11 of being a business and operating with integrity, well, then that's the question, right? Is your integrity worth half a million dollars to you? And if it's not, then right like i just i'm sorry i then you suck and you know what if you never exist again and if you are they are actually bankrupt and not operating anymore fine okay well then you know not not you then i'm sorry it didn't work out and you know i guess we all tried assuming that you actually did but if you are still operating still making money and you don't even have a path to providing a refund when you offered a product and people gave you money and then you never delivered it then you suck that's all there is to it it's that simple that's all i have to say about that

Starting point is 02:12:02 That's all I have to say about that. I'm attempting to help with merch messages. Next topic, I guess. Old US telecom cables are leaching lead near children. A recent investigation by the Wall Street Journal has uncovered significant lead leaching from over 2,000 lead-insulated legacy telecom cables. The journal took soil and water samples from nearly 130 cable sites, which were then tested by several independent laboratories. These tests found significant leaching in 48 locations, including sites near popular community fishing spots, neighborhoods, playgrounds, and schools. The cables were part of the old bell system and were mostly laid from the 1880s up to the 1960s. The cables were then inherited by modern telecoms who abandoned the cables and left them in place after they were replaced by fiber optic cables sheathed in plastic.

Starting point is 02:13:04 replaced by fiber optic cables sheathed in plastic. According to the investigation, the companies knew the risk posed by these abandoned cables but failed to properly monitor the cables for degradation. Successor telecoms including AT&T and Verizon have stated a willingness to address concerns but have likewise denied that the cables are a public health hazard. Obviously. Because why would lead be a public health hazard it's great tastes good yeah i don't know i'm not surprised at all um the the the various ways that telecoms and isps in the states have just completely screwed over the country is kind of fascinating to me like the billions of dollars that the government gave them to do fiber stuff

Starting point is 02:13:45 And then they just like read the contract and realize that they never actually had to do it and they're like okay cool and just actually never did it was Astonishing Wendell. I think did an amazing video on that. Yeah, like I Wild I think people aren't like Absolutely insanely up in arms over that is crazy to me like man uh man how do I find that I don't know I don't know what it's called I'm sure there's like some name for it it might have been back when he was with tech syndicate I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that he did a thing on that at some point

Starting point is 02:14:25 guys if you know if you can find the video posted in the floatplane chat uh or maybe i'm just completely imagining it but i'm pretty sure that's the sort of thing he would talk about too someone's gonna post the book of broken promises 400 billion dollar broadband scandal and free the net i'm not sure if this is exactly what I'm talking about, but I think so. By the end of 2014, America will have been charged about $400 billion by the local phone incumbents, Verizon, AT&T, and CenturyLink

Starting point is 02:14:54 for a fiber optic future that never showed up. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is it. $400 billion. And they were just like, nah, crazy. Oh my goodness. Actually nuts. Like, the fact that this isn't talked about all the time is wild to me. It comes to about $4,000 to $5,000 per household from 1992 to 2014.

Starting point is 02:15:22 Which would have actually been enough to run fiber to every household yeah like like america actually had a plan to invest in high-speed fiber optic networking like no every address in the country is going to be the best in the world bar and then it just wasn't and they spent the money to do it and then it just never happened like whoa i don't it's just wow and and you think like right this is 400 billion dollars. That's back in 2014 Interest baby. It's way more than that. It's so much money. Oh man Whoo, let's see

Starting point is 02:16:04 What today 515 billion what today 515 billion nice with interest or inflation did i say interest yeah i meant inflation sorry it's really late i think it's time to do some more merch messages dan hasn't really been updating the thing i'm actually not even sure if he's working based on his posture but that's fine if he's on break he's earned it uh I think it's time for Wancho after dark. Is this count of merch messages at 4,000 correct? Yeah, you got a refresh. Is it like broken?

Starting point is 02:16:41 Webhooks breaking and then resending as far as I understand. Okay, so not that many I mean, it's Okay, so wait how many do you see on your screen as a message count is at 621 I'm trying to refresh the page and it's taking about a thousand. Yeah, I can't do this effectively I'm trying to refresh the page and it's taking about a thousand years. Yeah, I can't do this effectively, unfortunately, because they're coming in one every like four to five seconds. And it takes me like 20 seconds just to show one. I see. So I can't.

Starting point is 02:17:12 I'm trying. I'm trying to find ones that are there. Dan, you're very trying, but that's not what we're talking about right now. Yeah, I feel like that today. No, it's just that my mom would always take those low-hanging fruit. I can't resist them. I would feel bad if you didn't, honestly. Like I'm doing easy on you?

Starting point is 02:17:29 Yeah. No, they make me smile. Don't worry, Dan. I would never go easy on you. I know that's not how you'd like it. Or, wait, okay, this is getting... No, no, not like that! HR! HR! No! No, not HR! That's how it works, right? If I just shout not HR, then it's okay?

Starting point is 02:17:49 Or just fire her over the weekend, and then it won't be a problem. What's your safe word? My safe word is HR. I'm blushing. Jesus. Oh, man. Oh, man. Where were we? Curated messages. I guess I can do that.

Starting point is 02:18:18 Do you want me to do that so you can power through? I can't power through. I can't do anything. You can't do anything? I mean, I can just click show five or ten times and then wait for it to update, and then they duplicate. So I'm doing my best. I've been responding to things, and it's been working.

Starting point is 02:18:35 I don't know why I can't, and my laptop as well. Well, can you view curated? Yeah, I can do that. Okay, well, I'll try to do the responding best I can. Yeah, if you want to go through some of the potential. So, yeah. So, Luke, you're going to be the one on merch messages while I also try to reply while also answering them.

Starting point is 02:18:53 And then Dan will just continue to have his fingers be on fire or... No, I can't. No, his is not functioning for some reason. Oh! Try Control-F5. I mean, I've tried that on... This computer on this computer and this computer don't patronize him i don't know he knows control f5 it's past midnight dude

Starting point is 02:19:10 i'm on now it's all not yet not quite not yet not quite i only say i only see 218 how many do you have on your dashboard oh 219 218 and then in a few minutes it'll be 400 and then a thousand and then yeah mine is constantly breaking as well but we gotta we gotta make do i'm trying my best functions every time that it breaks for me it's pretty obvious and i just refresh it and that's what i've been doing yeah so we can keep going okay do you want some curated it's not like actually crashing it's just no it's just slow yeah give us some curated go go sure uh hello i've been wondering if you would or will be releasing a desk pad with a wrist rest built in no never easy yeah i i can't um i can't think of any really compelling reason for us to do that why build the vcr into the tv when you could sell both well no it's not that no but vcr tv

Starting point is 02:20:08 suck yeah oh yeah yeah yeah like a wrist rest with a mouse pad on it is not what you want you want a wrist rest and a mouse pad i mean i could i could see there being room to like build a better wrist rest you know like uh like i don't know like a super thin metal plate that goes on your desk and then it like has a hyper strong magnet so you can like put it wherever you want or something like we've even talked about certain wooden ones we could make stuff like that nothing against having a wrist rest at some point wrist rest yeah could do that but it shouldn't be attached no no yeah no no magnetic oh yeah you could just sell things to go under yeah so it doesn't you could just sell things to go under. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:50 So you could just have one of our mouse pads that already exist and then just... Yeah. Yeah, that'd be fine. Yeah. Sure, why not? Okay, all right. We'll probably have the magnet research. Good idea. You know, down pat at this point.

Starting point is 02:21:00 Oh, I see what Dan means. The messages actually duplicate. So it's like two of the same message but i only managed to reply to one before it did it but just ignore that and move on oh i see okay oh uh oh man things move around a lot it does it's hard i'm just saying it's technically functioning and if we work instead of complain, we'll get more things done. Okay, boss. That's what I was doing. Now I feel bad.

Starting point is 02:21:35 That was fun. Mine tripled now. Just move on. Just scroll. There's 200 of them. I'm sure you can find more. There's more than 200. The 200 is fake.

Starting point is 02:21:47 That's fine. But just scroll and find more. Oh man. This is hilarious. I love WAN Show. Give us another one, Dan. No, you're the one giving us ones. No it's not! Hi, from Quebec City. You inspired me to put my old gaming PC to use. And it's now a Plex NAS server.

Starting point is 02:22:03 Is it worth buying NAS drives for it? Or do regular drives work just the same for this usage? It's one of those things where, honestly, even for me, it's hard to tell how much of the marketing is real and how much of it's marketing. There are advantages to drives that are built with more resiliency against vibrations from nearby drives with that said even desktop drives are designed to operate with a couple drives nearby so it all kind of depends on how much capacity you're building out and how demanding

Starting point is 02:22:39 your use case is um i'd say that up to a certain point it's more important to have a couple drives for redundancy than to use the right drives necessarily hi LLD I work in quality assurance where I have to answer to and eliminate quality issues and I was wondering sorry yeah the way you wrote that initially really uh issues yeah my job is to eliminate quality that would be a fun job like actual like professional disturber that'd be great yeah sorry i got cut off at the second for a bit there uh i was wondering how you manage your suppliers quality issues uh example corrective actions, RMAs, et cetera. I mean, the biggest one is you kind of, you have to approach everything in good faith, right? Like we had that issue with the carabiners on the backpack and we kind of said, okay, look, we'll message this to the customers as, hey, we're going to get you taken care of.

Starting point is 02:23:37 Trust me, bro. You know, we still want to work with you. So how do we solve this problem together? you know, we still want to work with you. So how do we solve this problem together? How we understand that you, you know, didn't ship us a thing that was durable, but we didn't catch it. So let's find a way to share the responsibility in a way that allows us to continue working together and build more backpacks and keep making our customers happy. And, you know, that's really approaching things in good faith with the intention of continuing to work together, I think, is the foundation of the way that we engage in sort of

Starting point is 02:24:11 supplier relations. When things are too bad, though, the answer is, hey, see you later, because that's the most powerful card you can play, right? There's more than one t-shirt supplier, There's more than one t-shirt supplier, right? I'm currently at a startup. How did you manage people wearing multiple hats and how do you let them grow or fit into a single hat role as the company grew? How did you title people wearing lots of hats? We are currently working on that.

Starting point is 02:24:44 We sucked at titling a lot. think we still do we're working on that we're working on all that yeah the thing is i i feel like to a lot of our viewers for whom we are a huge amount of their media consumption we are a big company we're not a big company we're a small to medium size barely barely a medium company in the grand scheme of things and we have a lot of operational and organizational problems that are probably the same as what you have at your startup because our founder has add which is very likely if you're at a startup the same as yours that's a stereotype and that's hurtful it's cool though it's a good true yeah uh insert greeting i'm a 20 year old IT tech at AMSP how would you deal with management

Starting point is 02:25:48 when they want to replace working on computers and don't believe in cloning it just moves the problem I think what they don't believe in cloning and they want to move working on computers how would you deal with management

Starting point is 02:26:04 when they want to replace working on computers? How would you deal with management when they want to replace working on computers? Want to replace working on computers. And don't believe in cloning. Oh, your computer has a problem. Here's a new computer. We'll just throw it out, is my assumption. Want to replace working on computers. Don't believe in cloning.

Starting point is 02:26:19 You have an issue with your laptop? We're just going to throw that laptop out and give you a blank new one. But we won't clone your software. We drive yeah that's my assumption well that's inconvenient and stupid like tell them they need to figure it out maybe give them an educational session maybe got them try to share the knowledge it's just not good so like they're probably missing something i hope so yeah maybe try to be educational about it i don't know use money they like that yeah yeah yeah explain you are literally burning money for no reason so we could not burn money most business people will like that how much electronics engineering

Starting point is 02:27:01 do you do i seem to like burning money sorry you're just very effective at it what'd you say i said i seem to like burning money yeah yeah you've been affected the bad i'm having an interesting day uh how much electronics engineering do you do in-house at ldt i'm an electrical engineer that has thought occasionally that has uh occasionally considered as a half joking uh applying and moving to canada from finland oh and thanks for free shipping we only hired our first dedicated electronics engineer i think like a few months ago i think he's still like a probationary employee technically um no no not not probationary anymore but But yeah, we've had some jack-of-all-trades engineers

Starting point is 02:27:47 who have some experience in electronics engineering, but we only now recently have our first dedicated one. I think that what you're going to see is, like mechanical engineers, where we had one for a long time and then finally had two and then launched screwdriver and now we have four like just immediately doubled it because we have proven that we can launch hey that worked a mechanic yeah a mechanically engineered product and be profitable right um so i think like that you're going to see the electronics team hammer away at something for

Starting point is 02:28:27 a few years finally launch something we're gonna crush it and then you know double down triple down um but that's like that's a natural that's a natural business cycle right like you don't just go all in and hire a team of 10 people to do something you've never done before and just like hope for the best right like sure if you sure, if you're Alphabet or you're Apple or whatever, you can have these moonshot projects, but we're still pretty small, as we were just discussing. And I don't think that's realistic for us. So yeah, I would expect us to need more electronics engineering in the future. But it's not something that we're just sort of immediately going to start hiring a bunch of people for ideal i recently began the revision process of my first novel i was curious if any of you have any creative ventures or stories in the

Starting point is 02:29:14 backs of your minds would you ever write a book of any kind it would take me a very, very long time. I'd rather write a game. Like I'd rather write an RPG style game or something like that. Like I always loved the Final Fantasy, you know, ragtag group saves the world from, you know, overbearing some powerful organization or whatever. I just worry it wouldn't be very good

Starting point is 02:29:45 because I wouldn't want to just, you know, write small things and practice. I would want to go straight for the big project and I would get to the end and it would just suck. And then it would all have been kind of a waste of time, but not a waste of time because you practiced, but definitely a waste of time because I'm not going to do the proper one now.

Starting point is 02:30:02 So I just think I'll probably never end up doing it. waste of time because I'm not going to do the proper one now so I just think I'll probably never end up doing it I have roughly all right I'm gonna get into it next one do you think that 16 by 9 will remain the standard or will 21 by 9 or higher become more widely used and 16 by 9 is so entrenched at this point. I just don't know if it's realistic seeing how much content is designed for it. You know what?

Starting point is 02:30:37 I take all of that back. Yes, I think we're going to see a lot more variety in aspect ratios once modular displays become more commercially viable micro led for example already exists in modular form for consumers as long as you have you know 300 400 000 to spend or whatever whatever it costs for one of those these days. And I think what technology, I mean, TVs, the march towards ever larger, ever lower prices has just never stopped, even as every other industry has struggled, you know, microprocessors or phones or whatever else. So I feel like it's inevitable for those to come down to the point where they're 500 bucks. And yeah, you can decide if you want a more cinematic aspect ratio or a more gaming-oriented, smaller one

Starting point is 02:31:28 so that it fits comfortably within your sharpest area of your vision or whatever else. Yeah, yeah. No, I think that will be a thing. And it'll be more modular. Kind of excited for that, actually. That'd be super cool. Good evening, LLDd what is the dream

Starting point is 02:31:46 sponsor that y'all have worked with or have always wanted to work with i'm hearing animals yeah what was that that was a fart it sounded like a cat yeah oh it's gonna crap out of me it's really late and dark and there's cats in here. It didn't scare me, but I thought there was a cat. I was like, that's a new development. We have an office cat. Nope, just Linus's butt. It's dark in here and now I'm scared. What was I saying? Oh, yeah, dream sponsor.

Starting point is 02:32:13 Has there ever been a dream sponsor you wanted to work with? A dream sponsor? Or that I've got to work with, yeah. You know what? I'll say my dream sponsor is Apple just because it would be hilarious. That's a good answer. I like that. Excellent.

Starting point is 02:32:29 Yeah. That would be a wild day. Oh my gosh. Hey Linus, seeing that you're making a precision driver, how much of a conflict of interest would that be with iFixit? I would like to think that iFixit's going to be chill.

Starting point is 02:32:46 I don't think we've actually talked to them directly about it yet, but the reality of it is we still love their products. We still love what they do. We're never going to even begin to approach what I believe is their true value, which is all the replacement parts and the guides that they offer. The guides, yeah, right. I don't think that we're going to be price competitive with them. Our precision driver will be a more premium product and it'll have benefits that probably

Starting point is 02:33:14 don't make sense for what they're trying to do, which is make repairability accessible to the masses. Whereas we're really targeting professionals who are going to use this thing day in, day out for years. So it's just a different product. Yeah, I'd like to think that it's going to be pretty cool. But I mean, hey, if they pull their sponsorship, you know, realistically, a huge part of why we're building out our physical goods business is so that we don't have to be reliant on

Starting point is 02:33:44 sponsors. So if people want to work with us and they have, you know, strong integrity and they're getting a good return on that partnership with us, then hey, that's great. As long as everybody's winning, let's work together. But in the forever term, we don't want to be reliant on anybody. We want to be an independent entity. And so, you know, that means diversification. And that means that if we're having a lot of success in tools, you're going to see more tools from us. And if that upsets people who also sell tools, well...

Starting point is 02:34:17 Sorry? Yeah. Competition is good. We've always said that. I believe that when other people make new tech channels, and we believe that when we make tools and clothes and whatever else. Hi, LLD. Always fun to catch the show live.

Starting point is 02:34:37 I'm sending a message in hopes of pushing to 24-hour WAN. Where will the schedule for the LTX live streams be posted? I want to be able to engage with the chat. LTX is going to be mostly VOD. We are doing WAN show live from LTX, but if you're expecting

Starting point is 02:34:56 there to be a bunch of live streams during LTX, I, or wait, hold on. What is the plan for like panel? No, panels and stuff are not going to be live. Yeah, it's going to be all VOD because it's going to simplify things a lot for the crew.

Starting point is 02:35:08 That's why we decided on that. As far as I'm aware, it's just WAN show. And if it's not going to be, you have to tell me immediately. It's just WAN show. Okay, good. Let's see what we got here. Oh, now the curated are duplicated too.

Starting point is 02:35:24 Any updates on L ltt sandal thanks for the free shipping yeah actually matthew from our creator warehouse team um got a proposal from a company that was willing to work with us to develop a sandal overall cost was going to be probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 to 120 grand before we actually produced a single sandal, which is not entirely unreasonable for a design consultation. Molding. Molding is huge because you can't just reuse the molds from the different sizes. You got to do all these different sizes and stuff. And we kind of looked at it and went,

Starting point is 02:36:12 does this even make any sense? You know, like with Marquez's shoe, right? Like where he, where he collaborated with Adams, they're going to keep selling that shoe in perpetuity, right? Like they're going to sell that shoe forever. It was just a colorway. So that that that molding cost is getting amortized over a much much greater number i mean theoretically as long as their business is successful but over a much greater number of customers than marquez could reach with his youtube channel and you know if we if we were planning to build a shoe empire and you know try to be carried at you know the shoe store in the mall or whatever else like, yeah, sure, maybe. But just to sell directly through our store, I just don't know if it's I don't know if it's realistic, like with something like the screwdriver. Yeah, we there was a vision there, we saw

Starting point is 02:36:54 the potential to build a better screwdriver. And we saw the overlap with our with our viewer base. Whereas, while most of you will probably build a computer at some, at some point in your life, I don't think it's fair to say that most of you want a similarly premium sandal. Some sure, you know, plenty of Germans ordering tonight.

Starting point is 02:37:18 That's for sure. But I don't think I could say most. And so it's just, it's not good business. It's not smart business. And I think that we, I think we reached the right decision when we decided to put that on ice for now. Good God, Europe still looks like this.

Starting point is 02:37:42 This is based on recent orders. It's not just like everything from the last hour or whatever. It's like real time, Luke. What the heck? North America is cooling off, though. It's getting late. That's good. Just chill, everyone.

Starting point is 02:37:58 To be clear, part of the goal of Lime Day was to improve liquidity. It was to raise some cash. We're definitely doing that. It wasn't to, like, spend new house money on shipping, though. Don't worry about it. Last WAN show. Ten years watching you guys make the good guy tech content that's always honest

Starting point is 02:38:28 are there any AR or XR glasses that you feel are actually worth the cost at this stage Rokid, X-Real, etc I personally do not find them to be very compelling a big selling point for these things is it's like having a 100 inch screen but the 100 inch screen is like 12 or 15 you know feet away once you you know the way the lenses are designed um because you can't have a 100 inch screen that's like right here and takes up your

Starting point is 02:38:59 whole field of view while also maintaining enough pixel density that the image will be fine enough with modern with modern um micro screen technology right so i'm looking at it going my arms do work quite well and so a seven inch screen at this distance is the same as a 100 inch screen at like 15 feet away i'm sorry what is the point of this exactly? And I don't really want something bolted to my face unless it's a very immersive motion-tracked experience like in VR. So it's not a compelling product category for me. I think that's all I have to say about that. Thanks for making so much great content.

Starting point is 02:39:44 How is Linus doing in his new position at work? Is he being more creative? Nothing different for now, to be honest with you. Taren's not even in office daily yet. Linus, have you looked at the Bengal JS2? It's a super simple smartwatch that seems to be the closest thing to a pebble it's 100 fully hackable and costs well under a hundred dollars yeah i um it was in a pretty early state the last time i looked at it and it was pretty janky um

Starting point is 02:40:18 it made me want my pebble back is all i can really say about it It made me want my pebble back, is all I can really say about it. I remember taking apart the Atari 2600 cart Adventure, touching the contact points and turning one of the dragons around in the game so it could not kill you. What are your best tinkering stories? Oh, wow. That's a really... I've never even heard of that.

Starting point is 02:40:43 That's a great tinkering story. I don't think I'm going to be able to beat that. That's a really... I've never even heard of this. That's a great tinkering story. I don't think I'm going to be able to beat that. That's pretty cool. Absolutely not. Oh, man. I'm sure there's something, but that's a really good one. I feel like every tinkering story that I've had

Starting point is 02:41:02 for the last 13 years has been on YouTube. So I'd have to go back. I thought of one for you kind of, but it's on YouTube. Even some of my older stuff is on YouTube. Like I could have talked about, uh,

Starting point is 02:41:13 you know, some of the fun, like case mods I did as a completely unskilled teenager, but we did a whole video about that. Yeah. And Luke was there, you know, it was,

Starting point is 02:41:21 you know, um, uh, sure. Okay. Sure, okay. It's not really tinkering, but I would stealthily take my VCR TV combo and my SNES set up into my bunk bed after my parents thought I went to bed

Starting point is 02:41:42 and set up my own little private theater. My bunk bed was super cool. It was made of like solid plywood pieces. And so I would set up a little like curtain at the circular entrance hole that I had. I don't know if that was best for airflow. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is that, um, I, I would, I would prop up the TV on pillows and then I would like sit against the, the other end and like watch TV and play video games. But like, that's not,

Starting point is 02:42:09 I don't know. It's not really tinkering. That's just as far back as I have to go in order to find something you guys don't already know about. I was like nine. Yeah. All my favorite tinkering things are because of how fantastically janky they were in like a way that i really enjoyed not because they were necessarily amazing

Starting point is 02:42:33 like uh the using the mud flap of my car as a sound dampener for a water cooling pump that was sick i loved that was it better than just getting a piece of rubber to use a sound dampening material? No, not at all. But it was cool. And it said like Sunfire or whatever in my computer, which was like kind of sick. I did. There was one time where the power button on this computer case that I had didn't work because it was like some hand-me-down computer case from whoever and the power button was

Starting point is 02:43:04 just screwed. But my motherboard had a physical power button on it so I rigged up this like multiple rubber band system with a pencil so that I could reach under my monitor and just poke the eraser on the pencil and it would touch the power button and turn the computer on and it made it like it was actually like very convenient like pretty much just as actually more convenient than just using the power button on the computer so like that was cool i loved that i've told both of these stories before i don't know i fixed up those stupid nine bot go karts to uh to not get caught. They had little rubber bumper things under them that would get caught on grass, and I love drifting around on them on the grass. So I ripped the...

Starting point is 02:43:54 Not I ripped them off. I put bolts through them to hold them in place, and then I also had to kajigger some hardware to put the seat pieces back together after some people at work borrowed them and were not careful with the seats. It's not really like tinkering, no. It's like fixing things.

Starting point is 02:44:10 What about when you and Bob fixed that motherboard? I mean, yeah. That was pretty cool. I don't know if I consider that tinkering. Tinkering has almost like a recreational connotation. Yeah, whereas that was not recreational. I was in compete to win mode yeah like i was mad that it wasn't working yeah it was cool yeah yeah i don't know if it was a lot cooler than

Starting point is 02:44:30 what ended up making it into the video for some reason like the edit really contained the drama basically we had to like run a jumper between one of the fan headers yeah i knew what you did i thought it was sick in order to make it work it wasn't really in the video though yeah some of the scrapyard wars edits it was sick. In order to make it work. It wasn't really in the video, though. Yeah, some of the Scrapyard Wars edits. It's a lot of footage to go through. Yeah. Any thoughts on the new fully AI-designed RISC-V chip in China?

Starting point is 02:44:54 And do you think AI will lower the barrier to entry for new players to enter the CPU or GPU markets? New players in those markets are tough weren't we like already using ai ages ago because the placement is so complicated like the fact that llms exists doesn't mean that like ai applications just like dr dr lisa sue came out like a couple days ago, I think, and said that AI chip design is basically the future. And if you're not doing it, you're done. But I don't think that AI game drivers are going to happen anytime soon. that Chinese company that built a GPU that actually works. I think that they're an excellent example of how you can have functioning hardware, but if your drivers aren't good,

Starting point is 02:45:51 then no one's going to buy it and your drivers are not going to be good. And they're not going to be good for a long time. Intel has invested so much money trying to do this. And they've even been building GPUs for 20 years or whatever. What advice would you give to a casual tech enthusiast who wants to protect their data from potential threats like Luke mentioned? I am worried about putting my trust in generic VPNs for example. Man, there's a lot of best practices.

Starting point is 02:46:26 You know, don't click anything suspicious. Have offsite backups for things. Ideally, offsite backups for things that are not always connected. Don't trust a VPN, which you've already figured out. I'm not saying that they can't be helpful. They can be a useful tool

Starting point is 02:46:43 in your personal security toolkit, but they are not like some kind of silver arrow, silver bullet, whatever. They're not. I also think like a decent idea is if you have like a partner or a very good friend or something like that, that you trust with that data, having a multi-admin approach is a pretty good idea.

Starting point is 02:47:10 It increases the amount of accounts that could be attacked, but ideally the other person never really uses that account. So it's not going to get like session hijacked because they're not just logged into it all the time. And it makes it so that that stuff is recoverable um if you have a single account access to something and said account gets uh gets hijacked um you might just be screwed and that sucks and if you if they consumer-grade accounts rather than commercial ones, there may be no feasible way for you to recover it. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:47:50 Yeah, if you have a commercial-grade account, you might actually have some elevated customer support levels and ways to prove that it's you through payment information or something like that. But if you don't, it gets a little bit more sketchy. So those would be the ways that I would do it personally but yeah last year I ended up getting a gigabyte 3080 gaming OC water force with a built-in water block turns out the block is nickel plated aluminum and they have been wrecking loops is there anything I can do? Oof.

Starting point is 02:48:37 Swap the part so you're not mixing metals anymore and try to ungunk as much as possible. You're probably going to have to replace tubes. Cleaning the other parts in that loop is going to be incredibly annoying. Yeah, the problem is that once okay so first of all once the nickel plating is worn off you need to throw away that block that block is not usable with any copper block um the good news is that the the metal that gets uh corroded is the aluminum so your copper blocks may still be usable but they may have aluminum deposits on them so the good thing about that is that any acid you can get that'll eat the aluminum off but won't touch the copper i'm not aware of a practical way to mitigate that.

Starting point is 02:49:26 But the good news is that the real risk in the long term of leakage is from aluminum blocks getting eaten away. And if your block is made of copper and just has some aluminum deposit on it, then that's not realistic. It just could hurt performance a little bit. This is all kind of like theoretical i don't i don't know i've never really tried to advise anyone of like how to proceed because just replacing all your blocks in one go is not reasonable i i would replace the the bad one yeah i'd replace that for sure you have to do that um tubes you could probably just run a brush through them i wouldn't worry about the tubes like they're gonna look like crap forever yeah i mean they

Starting point is 02:50:10 might not even be clear though i don't know you can you can at least try i'm used to doing clear tubes try and run a brush and see if they're okay yeah yeah i know you said v VR content doesn't get enough views, but are headset reviews at least evergreen, though? Especially with how few good VR reviewers exist. Still waiting for MetaPro and XR Elite reviews. Do you know why there's so few good VR reviewers? Because it's niche. It's hard to be sustainable there, and there's just not enough product releases.

Starting point is 02:50:45 So, you know, we'll hit major ones that make sense, like PSVR 2. We reviewed it because it was really important and we had a lot to say about it. But that's the other thing too, is the innovation in the space has been so slow. Yeah. Like there's not a lot to say about many of them.

Starting point is 02:51:02 I'm definitely going to cover big screen beyond or whatever it's called, big screen VR. This is, just to throw a little thing in there, this is actually one of the reasons why I'm actually quite happy and excited about Apple's headset is because I think a lot of the directions that Meta was going in was just wrong.

Starting point is 02:51:20 And I think that Apple doing that thing with the battery pack is really good because it's normalizing the idea of a tether that stays on you, but it's still technically a tether, so you can move. I know it's just battery right now, but you can move compute and battery off of your head. That's something that we need to do. We had wanted to do a sequel to that backpack video

Starting point is 02:51:43 where the machine was more like like very worn you know like like gpu on your thigh yeah and like motherboard and cpu on your back or your chest or something like we were wearing a the idea was that we'd be wearing a full gaming computer but just like spread out on the body so that the load isn't just isolated to one place and the reason we didn't do it was so that the load isn't just isolated to one place and the reason we didn't do it was because that backpack one didn't perform well and not only didn't perform well like it was kind of janky no offense so it makes sense it didn't perform well but it also just it didn't seem to spark a lot of interest in seeing the idea explored more with people

Starting point is 02:52:20 um so we were just like okay vr is kind of not an interesting topic that was around the time that vr was sort of fading a little bit so you've been diversifying your business interests quite a bit with media company clothing manufacturers in badminton and drop testing what are some other businesses you're thinking about going into well i could I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. No, the big thing for me is that I don't want to make those decisions anymore. Hitman business. One thing that occurred to me back when David was modding his Vita and I was modding my Game Gear in that video that we kind of like co-hosted was, man, what a broken space retro game console modding is. Like there's so much cool stuff out there,

Starting point is 02:53:10 but everything is sort of frustratingly broken. Like you're either ordering from, you're either paying a ridiculous markup to get something in a reasonable amount of time, or you're waiting around forever with the hope that you'll eventually receive something, or you're waiting around forever with the hope that you'll eventually receive something, or you are waiting around forever for these really small niche companies to get enough pre-orders together to do a production run of something. Like I'm sitting

Starting point is 02:53:36 there going, man, this could, this is, this is a niche that could benefit from someone who was just willing to say, okay, yeah, I will willing to say okay yeah i will take on the risk i will take on the inventory you build out a team of people to perform modifications because a lot of people just want you to do the mod for them uh you build up the in-house expertise i think there's a ton of potential there oh my god who's gonna run it like i don't know like it would be it would be probably a really good use of capital and probably profitable but i just uh that sounds like a problem for the incoming ceo to figure out like sort of how to how to leverage the the successful businesses that we run to create to create more of them all in a way that is um you know still that still plays to our strengths which is which is tech obviously right

Starting point is 02:54:25 hi lld i was trying to buy a second monitor to match my main one which is not being sold anymore any idea where to start looking ebay ebay craigslist facebook marketplace offer up yeah i mean i don't know what to tell you other than google ebay alternatives yeah buy two new ones and sell the old one that too yeah that is an option what has been the quickest seller during lime days oh um wow i guess you mean in terms of like unit count, probably that's what most people think of. Sure. Oh my God. Lime day is officially like four days now because today is not over yet. But it's a new day. So let's go 12 to 15. Yeah, sure. I can tell you guys that.

Starting point is 02:55:24 Top selling item, short circuit circuit hoodie that was a wild deal um yeah we moved over 4 000 of them i literally considered buying some for friends and family and then they were gone by the time i made my decision yeah sorry that's okay get wrecked yeah this is a common problem that I have. I'm used to it. Hey, D, L, and L. I have been wondering if you're planning on any special colors for the stubby screwdriver. I'm asking so I know whether to buy one right away or wait.

Starting point is 02:56:04 First merch message message let's go our intention in the long term is to um is to explore new colorways for our tools but i can't confirm anything specific with respect to the stubby after the all black and the black and orange i think it's just going to depend on how it goes if we launch stubby and we move like 500 units in the first day um you're only going to see black and black and orange for like years but if we launch stubby and we move 15 000 units in the first day then we're going to be sitting here going well it's going to be six months while we catch up on production but after that yeah sure you know because every skew you launch has r&d even if the r&d is just like oh does this color of plastic behave well with this handle mold that

Starting point is 02:57:00 is a different handle mold from our other handle mold so the cooling times could affect them you know like that you can't take anything for granted if you're trying to have good quality, right? And so if we're not going to sell enough to justify the R&D, then we're not going to do it. And you have to sell enough of that actual skew, that actual colorway. You can't just say like, oh, well,

Starting point is 02:57:21 we'll subsidize the like cool colorway with the basic one. No, if you don't sell enough of the cool one, then you just sell the basic one. It's that simple. So no promises. No promises. We have some bets internally. Nick and I are both more bearish on stubby screwdriver, but Kyle is super bullish. He's like, yeah, this thing's good.

Starting point is 02:57:42 And it's a good product. We all agree it's a great product. Nick and I just think it's a little more niche, and Kyle thinks that the stubby screwdriver is hyper-mainstream, so we're going to see who's right about it. We ordered based on Kyle's prediction, so I hope he's right.

Starting point is 02:57:59 Otherwise, we're just going to have inventory for a long time. Hello, LLD. Do you guys ever miss 5-Hour WAN? It was great for background noise. I mean, I feel like we're on the fast track back toward it today. Not necessarily because we missed it, but just because... I miss a question.

Starting point is 02:58:18 You guys, do we miss 5-Hour WAN? Oh. I don't even really care. To me, it doesn't matter how long WAN show is because Linus is just going to be like four hours late for the show anyways. So, like, I don't have Friday nights. So why do I care how long WAN show is? So screw it.

Starting point is 02:58:37 Make it eight hours. Be nice to sleep at some point. Man, there's ones in here that I have definitely replied to. Yeah, just scroll further. Or reload. I just reloaded it and it's still here and I definitely replied to it. Okay, scroll further. No, the WAN show did not get held up because of Badminton there.

Starting point is 02:58:53 Now I can just archive it. I thought I replied to that one. Okay. Oh my God. I think the dashboard is quite broken. Oh, it's just blank now for you. Oh, there we go. I'm not blaming anyone.

Starting point is 02:59:01 Oh, it's just blank now for you. Oh, there we go. I'm not blaming anyone. This has been a truly unprecedented load on it. Like we are 35 minutes into today and our total sales is what we would do in a typical day. So 50 times higher than normal? Yeah, that's not reasonable. Oh, man.

Starting point is 02:59:40 Yeah, okay. Neat. Sorry, it's hard to stop looking at this. Mission accomplished, that's what I'll say. Man, Jared asks, I'm a relatively new mainframe storage administrator and loved seeing your IBM Z16 video. Do you expect any mainframe tech to trickle down

Starting point is 03:00:01 or influence consumer electronics anymore? I'd love to see more resiliency, but if anything, i feel like it's gone the other way consumer electronics have gotten kind of more disposable whereas z is all about being as resilient as possible um just man like the way it handled memory and stuff i thought was so cool like raid raid memory. Like what? The fact that everything is hot swappable. I'd love to see more things be hot swappable. And I guess that's a trend that has trickled its way into consumer technology. I mean, Thunderbolt is basically hot swappable PCIe on the outside of your laptop.

Starting point is 03:00:39 That's pretty sick. Yeah, I'd love to see everything be hot swappable. And I'd love to see more resiliency, but I don't know if it's going to happen. Good afternoon, LLD buying random sweatpants. Cause why not? How much did you expect to lose from line day? And how have you, how, how much have you lost so far? I don't know.

Starting point is 03:01:00 I actually do not know because a lot business, because gross profit, like, like cost of goods sold or like, like revenue minus cost of goods sold is actually positive. But that doesn't include the shipping, but we have sold there. There's been thousands and thousands of orders and our handling costs with our third party logistics company are real and so just because you made money over your cost of goods

Starting point is 03:01:35 sold doesn't mean that you actually made money by the time you pay all of your expenses. Also, I have literally no idea how much this shipping promo is going to cost. The last time we did a shipping promo like this, we were maybe one 30th the size because we've had a lot of issues. The idea is that we would do shipping promos regularly. So we wanted to make about 10 points on shipping. And then once every 10 units of time period run a shipping promo so that we kind of ran it flat. But we're able to use it as a promotional mechanism. Well, the problem is that we haven't been able to make money on shipping because it's just been chaos globally. Logistics, right? Like it's been ridiculous.

Starting point is 03:02:23 So we haven't made money on shipping. We've been running it flat, but not doing promos. And so the last time we did this, it was ages ago and we were way smaller. I have no idea what the impact of this will be, but I see at least four orders from Alaska in the last short period of time. the last short period of time. A bunch of Finnish orders, a bunch in Norway, just like the Nordics there. I have no idea where the f*** these are. See these two dots in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? That's sick.

Starting point is 03:02:59 There's some small islands. Yeah, I guess so. I have no idea how much it costs to send anything there. Probably a lot. We could try to extrapolate how much money we're losing on the shipping based on how much a typical shipping cost is. But there's a lot of people ordering that never order from us because the shipping cost is too high. There's a ton of people that would have never under any circumstance ordered because the shipping cost is going to be multiple times the cost of the item. Yeah. That's going to be multiple times the cost of the item. Yeah. That's going to be sick.

Starting point is 03:03:29 Yeah. As long as I don't see anything pop up in Antarctica, it's probably okay. We have fans from Antarctica. That might happen. A lot of South America. And there is shipping there, technically. That'll be good. Order now.

Starting point is 03:03:49 there technically. That'll be good. Order now. Will you guys ever do internal combustion engine or hybrid cars on short circuit or other channels? Yes. In fact, we're going to do the Toyota Corolla Gazoo Racing Edition very soon. I'm like super stoked. Hi, wan.dll. Thanks for making my office internship bearable. Question for all three of you. What would you say has been your highest high and lowest low since working at LMG? you know facilities or meeting people that we would just never have access to or uh you know those those we made it moments right like when we moved into the office or like um lowest low i mean the lowest low was probably right before it started um you know when we didn't think we were going to get the channel when we didn't think we were even going to get a shot right that was pretty tough um there's been some lows you know when we felt like youtube was working against us like when they um when they announced that they were going to limit creators ability to make money independent of of adsense um but none of it's all kind of none

Starting point is 03:05:01 of it's all none of it's been that bad and these days I feel like I've weathered so many storms that things don't phase me the way that they used to. I mean, I still freak out if your ship's going down because the audience is fickle, right? And you've got to, you've got to compete. You've got to fight. Otherwise, you know, someone else will eat your lunch, right? someone else will eat your lunch, right? But other than that, you know, I feel like we're,

Starting point is 03:05:27 the team is experienced enough that we can weather these storms together now, which helps a lot. Hey, LLD, love the concept of a gaming minivan. What are you guys going to test with it? It would be cool to see live stream on the main, on the rig while on the road. to see live stream on the main on the rig while on the road so we have the commercial use it anywhere starlink but it's not going to be in this video because we couldn't find a practical way to mount it without interfering with the solar panels that are taking up the whole roof

Starting point is 03:05:59 um so you won't see any kind of live streaming on the go, but I guess nothing would actually prevent that, but I don't think I would ever do that if that all kind of shines and sparkles with y'all. Hi, DLL. Just a heads up, the login code entry for lttstore.com doesn't scrub white space. Any update on the hat previously shown on...

Starting point is 03:06:25 I'm pretty sure that's on Shopify, that's not us. Any update on the hat previously shown on WANshow? Been looking forward to it. We are still working on it, but these things are slow. You know, sampling, shipping, it all just takes time. Hey DLL, this question

Starting point is 03:06:42 is for Luke. I've been interested in cybersecurity for some time and was curious if there was somewhere to send in any security concerns or bugs on the Floatplane app being pen tested. Yeah, support at floatplane.com. Hey, LL and D, stemming from an earlier topic, would consumer feedback polling be useful or already done by Linus Media Group? I mean, we do it during WAN, but I do feel like we could do more to talk to our audience. I mean, that's one of the things that our community manager has been tasked with figuring out over the next little while. The forum is used for that quite a bit but yes i yeah for sure the answer is yeah we want we want open communication but we also do a okay job of it yeah it could be better but we we

Starting point is 03:07:33 do we do listen to you guys hi guys long time fan here been watching since around linux challenge days as an og i'm here to ask the real questions. What's your favorite fruit? Oh, I'm personally partial to oranges, P.S. Hi, Mo. Favorite fruit. Favorite fruit. I really like lots of fruit.

Starting point is 03:08:03 It's a little bit of a tough one grapes i was green grapes the like ridiculously big crunchy ones that they have at tnt have you had musket grapes muscat musket muscat i don't know they're really flavorful i'm not necessarily that into the flavorful i'm a texture guy grapes have just unparalleled texture. It's amazing. They have these ones that sound like you're crunching a chicken bone at TNT. Oh, yeah. Like when you bite into them, they like crunch. Those are so good.

Starting point is 03:08:36 They are incredible. The whole range of grape textures is fantastic. I will sit and eat a whole pack of them in one sitting. Oh, dude, I can demolish grapes. Grapes are really good. Frozen grapes. Hey, DLL. Linus, I know you have mentioned issues with sleeping in the past.

Starting point is 03:08:53 What actions have you taken lately to remedy? Any medication? Curious about your insomnia these days. I'm never consistent about anything because I just get distracted I'll pop a sleeping pill sometimes if I know my brain's too busy and I'm definitely not going to be able to fall asleep

Starting point is 03:09:16 I know there's a whole bunch of other things out there to try I tried like CBD sleep gummies at some point I couldn't tell if it was helping or placebo effect. Um, I don't know, man, I just have to get tired and eventually I'll fall asleep. I mean, one of the things that I do do pretty consistently is sleep with noise canceling earphones in. And then I put on reruns of shows that I've like seen 10 times and not seen most of the time, just listened to. Like I'll watch an episode of Bob's Burgers and I'll be like, oh, that's a really funny visual gag that I've never seen, even though I've heard this episode like 10 times. Because I'll just like put it on and it'll just go through. I'll listen to, you know, three, five a night sometimes waiting to fall asleep so i have a weird one um where back at man what would

Starting point is 03:10:09 it have been ces like i'm guessing 2014 maybe 2013 but i don't think so i think 2014 or at the absolute hard latest 2015 back when we were still like basically all staying in the same room. I was having a really hard time falling asleep. And there was like three hours until we had to wake up. And the lights were on and there was noise happening and stuff. Because like Edsel was still editing something. And like everything's going crazy. But I remember even you saying like you should try to get some sleep even though

Starting point is 03:10:46 the room's like chaotic and whatnot so i laid down and was trying to like cover my eyes and stuff and i couldn't fall asleep so i put headphones on and i put on lucy rose just a musical artist really like your music but i specifically only ever listen to her music now when i want to fall asleep because i've like conditioned myself to if i'm hearing lucy when I want to fall asleep because I've like conditioned myself to if I'm hearing Lucy Rose music I fall asleep so anytime I'm like I'm on a plane or I'm in like some situation where it's difficult to fall asleep I'll just put that on and I conk out any music will keep me up really like like I'll get I feel like probably anything else would I'll get jacked up listening to Enya. Like I just...

Starting point is 03:11:25 Yeah, any amount of like stimulation. Yeah, I tried to convince myself that music was good to help me sleep back when I was in high school. So I'd like put on music. It'd be like, yeah, I'm putting on relaxing music. And I'd be like, just... It doesn't help at all.

Starting point is 03:11:40 It hinders 100%. Yeah. Hey team, how do you stay excited about tech when it seems like an endless grind of no this is better no this is better oh my goodness i bought one thing and thing just two came out i don't know i i don't have to make myself excited about that it just it just is that's the thing about tech is there's always something new and that's, that's great for my short attention span. Question for Linus. Have you ever considered hiring an analyst to try and find trends in the YouTube algorithm? For example, when shorts were crazy incentivized, would this be a slippery slope creativity wise? yeah we've definitely considered it but it's never

Starting point is 03:12:26 really worked out the thing is you know most algorithm whisperers um are not really much more qualified than than us and when it comes to people who are like really into the science of it, you know, I feel like enough of them publish their findings that we don't really need to have someone on staff. With that said, I think that, you know, a data scientist who is, you know, really dedicated to finding and, and surfacing trends on YouTube would be really useful. It's just something that because so much of what drives our content is what we're interested in talking about. It's not something that we felt like we've needed. I think if we participated in more of a trendy space like, you know, comedy or challenges or something like that, it would be very useful to make sure that we're always on top of it.

Starting point is 03:13:23 But I feel like a lot of those creators can rely on their audiences to help crowdsource for them at a certain point too and they don't even need it either so um like i know that that's a role at a lot of new media companies but it's just not something that we've ever seriously tried to tackle tried to tackle. Hi, DLL. In a world where fake reviews or satisfaction are being paid or cherry-picked for an

Starting point is 03:13:52 ongoing basis, what is a solution to get credible, independent reviews that can be trusted? I don't know. That's why we're building the lab, because I don't see another solution. It's not like I wanted to throw a bunch of money at it. Um,

Starting point is 03:14:07 like we could have just made money hand over fist doing our, you know, doing unboxings or, you know, sponsored videos or whatever. But, um, I just don't really see another solution other than just,

Starting point is 03:14:19 Oh my God. Look at Europe now. It's just like moving as more time zones wake up this is stupid i'm sorry i got distracted um yeah i don't have a solution other than just make your own reviews thank you from germany you are talking about having production issues in the company. Are you thinking of hiring more management or organizing roles to Linus Media Group? I don't want to think about that anymore. Yeah, not his job, actually. Sick, right?

Starting point is 03:14:55 Ah! I love it! Sick. Hell yeah. Nice fart, too. Sorry. Good butt. Let's see.

Starting point is 03:15:03 Next up here. Hey, guys. Have you possibly considered hiring writers to review video games for your new channel, GameLinked? No. Nope. It's a news channel. Yep. Yep. Game reviews are a saturated space, and I have no interest in throwing my hat into that ring. Yep. Hi, DLL. I've been patiently waiting all evening for the show to start. No fear.

Starting point is 03:15:29 Speaking of fear, how do the ladies feel about modeling underwear for a channel where men are in the majority? I know that Yvonne, I didn't talk to any of the other ladies about it. For us, modeling is just, it's voluntary. People, if you're interested in doing it, hey, you do it. And that's super cool. I know Yvonne, you know, is not the most outgoing person.

Starting point is 03:15:50 So for her, it was, yeah, a little, a bit of a shy experience, but I think our team also makes it more fun. Like whether it's, I think Hoffman and Maria have done the bulk of the pictures that you'll see on the site, and they do a good job of helping people feel at ease. So I don't know.

Starting point is 03:16:10 That's all I can really say as not one of the subjects. Hey, DLL, I've been watching you guys since 2013. So been about a decade. Specifically for Luke, what is your opinion on ethical pen testing of floatplane? And should any issue be identified? How to contact? A bunch of people do it, even if I didn't think it was cool. I do think it's cool, to be clear.

Starting point is 03:16:37 But even if I didn't think it was cool, a bunch of people would do it anyways. And yeah, I don't know. We appreciate it. We appreciate that people report the problems. We're not, uh, big enough to be able to handle like a bug bounty system or anything like that. Um, but we do, yeah, we appreciate it. Some of the stuff we are already aware of, um, and just might not, you know, might not be the maximum tier of priority at this time as there are lots of things to work on um but yeah thank you my dad and i were the guys who

Starting point is 03:17:14 were watching you filming the uh gaming van video oh sup uh we flew in from switzerland big fan oh cool i hope you enjoy your stay in BC. Sorry, we were, as you noticed, many hours late for WAN show, so it's not like we could take any time. And to be clear, if people show up at the office, you will not meet anyone. That is not the time. If you want to meet people, go to LTX.

Starting point is 03:17:41 Luke, have you ever had an interaction with anyone that you wish you didn't? Yes. luke have you ever had an interaction with anyone that you wish you didn't yes i am certain that at some point in my life i have had an interaction with someone that i wish i did not um uh regarding fans which i i think i'm assuming this is what they're talking about not really i don't think so. No, it's been pretty okay. Everyone's been pretty chill.

Starting point is 03:18:09 Our community is pretty good overall. Awkward. Yeah, but I don't mind that. But good. Man, if that bothers you and you're into tech and computers and stuff, you're probably in the wrong space. Yeah. You should go get into a cool space like music or something.

Starting point is 03:18:24 Cool bro space. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's just, it's, I don't know. Yeah. It doesn't bother me. Everyone's pretty cool. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:18:34 Yeah. Hey guys, I watch every week. Your PJ pants are my absolute favorite. Any chance of PJ shorts made with the same materials now that summer is coming up? Damn it. I replied to that one um i think we have a women's pj short set coming but i don't think we have anything for the guys right now first time ever catching live from europe and thanks for the shipping question for luke how do you make sure developers keep growing and having a challenge day to day oh they will have a challenge luke don't have to do nothing that is um

Starting point is 03:19:07 that is not a concern um yeah it's uh we work on a lot of very difficult things um and we're we're working on kind of fixing this there's job postings for two front-end developers right now but we have traditionally been pretty low-staffed in the developer department. So there has been immense amount of work and immense amount of challenge, and that has not been a problem. And the vast majority of people that have joined the team

Starting point is 03:19:40 have risen to the challenge and developed very substantially over time, and I'm very proud of everyone on the team have risen to the challenge and developed very substantially over time and i'm very proud of everyone on the team anyway for the ltd store to show canadian prices while shopping from canada no actually oh really okay yeah i was about to say maybe go but i guess not maybe sometime but it's Maybe sometime, but it's technically possible, but there's some issues with it and weird things. No, sorry. I'm sure as a Canadian, you are very used to doing currency conversions,

Starting point is 03:20:16 so we will just be another one of those. Is there ever going to be an LTX in Europe? No. I should have clarified. Yes, it is entirely possible. We're not doing it, though, because of various issues. There we go. Don't forget to sign your replies.

Starting point is 03:20:35 Hey, Linus and crew, I just found out I'm having twins. Has there been any new baby, toddler, or kid tech that has released or been announced that has gotten your interest? Nope. It's so great. Now that I don't have babies, I don't care anymore. It's like your whole world is like stuff to do with my baby or for my baby or to my baby. And then your baby becomes a little mini human and actually is interesting and fun. And then you go, wow, this is so much better.

Starting point is 03:21:11 And then you never think about it again. That's great. Can you tell I'm one of those people that's not nostalgic for the baby phase? Not even a little. What tech products would you recommend for a, oh, here we go again, newborn. Yeah, bouncy chair or Bluetooth crib. Tech products, none.

Starting point is 03:21:34 They aren't going to remember any of that. They will remember literally nothing. The only things that you should do other than feed, interact with, and change their diaper or whatever is whatever makes you happy like they don't know any of that stuff they're not going to remember like you know some tech like what thank you for the uh more expensive bluetooth speaker yeah exactly like they're babies they don't know nothing hi from down under

Starting point is 03:22:10 been wanting to order for a while but shipping is very expensive so thank you trust me I know have you ever considered what the montage is going to look like at your retirement party um just bring up the

Starting point is 03:22:26 LTT 24-7 stream. I actually think my death montage would be better. I'd want it to be the best. It would have ad breaks. D-brand! I kind of feel like I'd want to retire kind of quiet.

Starting point is 03:22:44 If I'm retiring, it's cause I'm done. I don't think you would retire. I think you're wrong actually. No. Uh, I mean, I find that to be a bit of a stretch. I suspect if you retired, you would retire into doing something else. Well, there's two potential outcomes. Either I retire because I'm still at the top of my

Starting point is 03:23:07 game and i want to go out on a high note or i retire because i'm like done yeah and in either case i kind of feel like i would i'd want to be like see you later and not make a big show of it or no one would care and i would just fade away no i think you're wrong about the second one i think people would care because even if even if say channel performance was just like in the pits or whatever if linus tech tips loses its linus person even if you're getting a thousand views a video at that time the video of you being like i'm done bros would explode we've seen it happen other times with other creators yeah i guess that's fair the goodbye video would be huge and your brain is gonna be like i could release a banger and would probably do it i bet you that's what would happen.

Starting point is 03:24:06 dbrand would give it a fat sponsorship, have one big paycheck on the way out. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way. Now that Intel has joined the GPU market, could NVIDIA join the consumer CPU market? Greetings from France.

Starting point is 03:24:23 Sort of. Sort of. But there's a lot of... Yeah yeah like they're definitely working on arm cpu designs i mean in a way they are in the consumer cpu market do you own a nintendo switch congratulations you have an nvidia cpu yeah um but in terms of like desktop PCs, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. There's plenty of room for me to be wrong. I mean, I also didn't see Apple's Rosetta 2 being as amazing as it is. Engineers are a lot smarter than me, which is great. But I just, again, I just don't see it here.

Starting point is 03:25:06 Hi, y'all. My Electrical Engineering 101 teacher started our first lesson with a test, even though no one knew any of the symbols. Do you have any especially bad or good memories of your past teachers? If that test doesn't count towards your grade and it's a way to judge where people in the class are at,

Starting point is 03:25:25 I could see it being valuable. But based on the way it's framed, I suspect it did count. So that sucks. I have some, I don't want to dog on the bad teachers, and I honestly don't remember any of the names. But I had three extremely influential teachers um in in my life my english teacher my physics teacher my computer's teacher all like drastically shaped uh what i became so i appreciate them all mr thompson mr Trattle, and Mr. First. Like big time. Each one of them.

Starting point is 03:26:09 I was like borderline failing English forever because I'm a little dyslexic. I remember one of my teachers like wrote a letter home to my parents because I couldn't spell library in like grade three or something. I got held back and wasn't allowed to go to recess repeatedly because I couldn't spell school when I was in grade one. And I got so pissed off about that, that one time I worked my way out of the classroom by crawling through a window because I knew some kid had the word school written on his uniform. So I looked at it and memorized it and then ran back inside and wrote it down and then brought it to the teacher and was like, look, I did it. Um, I've

Starting point is 03:26:44 always struggled with like spelling and punctuation and stuff. Um, and this teacher kind of like inspired me to write and care about writing anyways. And he did a thing in his class, uh, where he capped the amount of marks you would lose for spelling and punctuation. And so like like I would never get full marks because I'd lose those like every time but he would still grade the the creativity and the writing styles outside of that and stuff like that and I really appreciated that he like gave me a chance and that actually inspired me to care more about fixing the other stuff and as Linus knows it's still bad but it got significantly better to the point where when

Starting point is 03:27:27 i left his class i was able to perform decently well in an ap english class despite that class having unlimited marks loss for for uh spelling and punctuation so that was pretty cool i like made it to not being a failure english wise after Um, the physics teacher was just very inspiring to be curious and try things and, uh, find new ways of learning and approaching problems and stuff like that. And then Mr. Trout was just extremely inspiring in a ton of ways. I have a ton of fantastic stories about him. My favorite one is that, um, I think he noticed there was a bunch of people in my grade and, and a few people in the grade above us that were really inspired to get into computers and programming. So he took a summer course at BCIT for 3D game development and then turned that into a 3D game development course for our school, which was like just what a wildly cool thing to do.

Starting point is 03:28:21 He's a principal somewhere now. Absolutely deserves the success. Amazing, fantastic teachers yeah um ah i gotta shout out mr horn um also english teacher definitely a game changer for me i think i don't probably give enough credit to some of the ones I had when I was younger. Um, the biggest thing they gave me was probably patience.

Starting point is 03:28:55 Yeah. I mean, Ms. Boeing, you know who you are. Um, I was a very inattentive child and a very frustrating person to deal with. I was in the principal's office a lot and not because they didn't try.

Starting point is 03:29:11 Boy, did they ever try. Hey Linus, seeing that LMG has become one of the biggest tech media outlets, how interested are you in programming or web development? It's one of those things like it's like learning german it's like yeah or the violin that'd be cool you're not gonna do it you're not gonna learn violin it's a lot of work it's actually work to learn the violin it's not it's like a job fun yeah like it might be fun reward rewarding maybe is a better word than fun but like um i don't have time for another job right now i have many jobs um so it's just not realistic for me it's cool and i'm like interested in it but it's like when uh it's like

Starting point is 03:30:00 when white people you know go to italy and all of a sudden they like, they buy a stupid like book on learning Italian or you're not going to learn Italian. Just go to Italy, use Google Translate and then come home and don't learn Italian because you weren't going to anyway. Like, why do you tell yourself you're learning Italian or you're not? So that's kind of my take on all of that. Would you guys ever consider an automotive repair technology channel? As a technician, it's nearly impossible to find good reviews for diagnostic equipment for my industry the same way you guys do GPUs. Here's my response.

Starting point is 03:30:37 Why don't you do it? Yeah. I don't know anything about that. Why are you trying to learn that from me? Boom. Got him. Hi, guys. I've always been a fan for the last five years or so.

Starting point is 03:30:51 Wow, you must be really dizzy. It's too late for this. Garbage. Why do you watch this dribble? I'm going to graduate college at the end of this year. I'd love to open my own computer repair shop someday. Anything I should keep in mind for the future? Yeah, running a computer repair shop is a very challenging business.

Starting point is 03:31:17 And a dying business, I think. Yeah. I actually don't know if I would recommend it. Hey, DLL, are Ryzen 7000 CPU pillows in the works? By the way, I love the sweatpants. No, the CPU pillows kind of slowed down and I don't think you're going to see a ton more development of CPU pillows coming from us. Hey team, was curious if the GameLinked channel would also be used for... Oh, we've already... Yeah, we talked about that one.

Starting point is 03:31:46 It's news, not reviews. Hello from Finland. Have you heard of KNX automation systems regarding your home? It's an open ecosystem, so no relying on one company for support, and it's widely used in Europe. Would recommend. Yeah, I have heard of it, but yeah, I think it's mostly in Europe and they don't have a whole lot of support for like 120 volt stuff. I think that was the issue when I looked at it. The ecosystem wasn't super complete over here. Hey DLL, I wondered if

Starting point is 03:32:17 there's any chance you might need a physicist for labs at some time in the future. I'm studying physics and very much like and appreciate the mindset behind the labs project. A physicist. I feel like telling someone you're a physicist is kind of like telling someone you're a gamer, you know? Right. But do you play Candy Crush? Do you play FPS? Do you like multiplayer? Do you like single like single player it's like what does that even mean like physics is such as physics is literally everything what kind of physicist like what do you specialize in you know what i mean like i you can i don't know maybe maybe i've got entirely the wrong impression here but i feel like just because like like if you specialize in like you know the forces between quarks and gluons or whatever

Starting point is 03:33:06 like i i don't know what i would even do with you um you know like i and and okay you're a physicist so you could probably like figure out something else or whatever but is that what you're interested in right like and if you weren't already doing this or like if you weren't already doing this then, then why do you want to do it now? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Love your commitment to WAN no matter the time. LDL, you mentioned a while ago the idea of making PC cases. Would you consider the WhalLand PC case that you could use for all LAN computers, plus also sell? We've been asked a lot of times why we don't make a case, and the

Starting point is 03:33:53 reason is that I just don't know what we would contribute. There's already so much competition in the case market, and I don't really have any brilliant ideas right now. With that said, we actually rolled out the first of the One ULAN computers today. And it's pretty cool. But there's also some compromises that I think would make it not a mass market product. And if it's not mass market, I don't think it makes sense for us to develop it. But maybe, who knows, maybe it'll inspire someone else to make something kind of like that. And then you can just buy it from them. Hey DLL, what part of your viewership is outside North America? I'm watching live from Germany right now and wonder what impact me and my friends here overseas have on your content decisions.

Starting point is 03:34:44 None. on your content decisions? None. Yeah, I don't mean that in like a disrespectful way. I just mean like tech is one of those things that I feel like it's kind of like someone asking me, you know, oh, I'm a member of the gay community. You know, what impact does the gay community have on your content i'd be like none like there's not like a like a gay iphone and

Starting point is 03:35:14 like a you know cishet you know iphone like it either is good for you you know, Ring Ring, boop boop boop, or it's not. My phone's not very good for Ring Ring sometimes. It's really annoying. I'm not sure. I mean, yeah, like, yeah, you know, Germans. Cool. Hey, I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. I'm happy you engineer a bunch of cool stuff.

Starting point is 03:35:42 Yeah. Please keep doing that. That'd be great. Oh, man. I feel like this clip could be taken out of context here. It's definitely going to. What do you want? It's like one in the morning.

Starting point is 03:36:01 Good morning, LLD. Over the years of the WAN show, there's been blackouts and natural disasters, but the show goes on. What are some other events that nearly caused the cancellation of the show? I mean, there was that thing that happened just now. That was good. I'm not going to bail you for that one. An actually very large earthquake happened

Starting point is 03:36:22 while the entire company company minus Yvonne was at the very top of the tallest building in Taiwan. That was pretty sick. That would have ended the show. Are you telling me that I might have to earthquake proof the set here? No. Okay.

Starting point is 03:36:40 If there's an earthquake happening, we'll be fine. We'll still stay connected for sure. If the big one happens, then it's just irrelevant. I mean, yeah. You can always back up elsewhere. Let's see. I'm out of curated and potential. That's me trying to stall for time here.

Starting point is 03:36:57 Yeah, we're digging through incoming right now. Yeah, thanks for your help, guys. I feel like I'm making no progress. Is this what it's like to be dan uh yeah it's normally the number goes up uh for four hours straight uh yeah today was bad um i wasn't able to cut through them as fast as normal let's see i'm just gonna scroll and then read one uh lots of questions about the eu warehouse i don't think eu warehouse is going to happen oh people keep asking we have talked okay guys yes i know that your shipping costs will be lower i get it but our overhead will be higher so the price of the product not the shipping the

Starting point is 03:37:49 actual price like our operational costs will go up so you think you're saving money but actually you're not unless we reach a certain scale where we can absorb those operational costs. Now, I know there are plenty of smaller companies that do offer worldwide shipping and they have EU whatever and Australia whatever. How many SKUs do they have? Even though we're a small to medium sized business, we have like hundreds and hundreds of SKUs. And the reason for that is that you people are all different sizes and shapes. There's nothing I can do about this, but we have like 30 SKUs of cargo shorts,

Starting point is 03:38:37 something stupid like that. And so having all of those in stock, having our stock split like that is going to have a huge operational cost to us as well. Because if we have 200 units of, you know, extra small cargo shorts in America, where nobody buys extra small cargo shorts, compared to Europe, where we have a whole bunch of triple XL cargo shorts, and then we have to ship those and stock balance, or we have to like order extras, we have to absorb that operational cost balance, or we have to like order extras. We have to absorb that operational cost somewhere. There's going to be inefficiencies that come from having multiple shipping warehouses. I'm not saying any of these things are insurmountable.

Starting point is 03:39:13 I'm just saying these things are not as simple as a lot of people seem to think they are. Like when I've talked about the tax implications of having multiple physical entities, I see a lot of people speculating that I'm some kind of tax avoider or something like that. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the overhead of dealing with just the reporting even from operating in all these different jurisdictions, right? Like it's being a multinational company. There's a reason that they call you a multinational and that that has this connotation of being an enormous company because it's super complicated

Starting point is 03:39:51 and it's super expensive so someday maybe today no hi dll greetings from germany been a fan since the fire truck days I don't even know what that is I'm curious what kind of data analysis tools the labs use I don't even know lots I assume

Starting point is 03:40:20 it depends on what you're talking about what a great question for Gary maybe we should bring him on WAN show sometime that could be kind of fun love your content what do you think is the reason why badminton isn't as big money wise as tennis um

Starting point is 03:40:37 wow that's a really good question for what a popular sport it is globally there is shockingly little money in badminton like you'll win a major tournament you make like a few tens of thousands of dollars or something each one is popular in but your average wealth is significantly higher yeah i could see that this is popular and, just more money to go into, you know, just buying crap. Tennis also happens to be, for whatever reason,

Starting point is 03:41:11 particularly possible with very wealthy people. Possible? Or popular? Sorry, it's very late. Oh, yeah, sure. Like it's one of those like golf. It requires a very large court.

Starting point is 03:41:21 It's sort of like polo. Yeah, but like a funny one is like... Yeah, what? You have to have a lot of money to play polo yeah then but like a funny one is like uh yeah what like what you have to have a lot of money to play polo horses and stuff yeah i don't know this is like there's like like rich people sports like polo f1 i think tennis is like sort of there not quite but it is very popular you see like oh like extremely expensive mansion and they have a tennis court okay motorsports makes sense though because a lot of it is just r&d into eventual consumer vehicles right like and yeah badminton i don't know i don't know i feel like there's definitely things that they could do to make the sport more watchable i think i've talked to you before about

Starting point is 03:42:02 how i feel like the default camera angle that they use really undersells the speed of the game yeah i i no offense to the commentators you seem like wonderful people but they commentate like golf oh marvelous play yeah yeah it's super boring to watch yeah it's gonna get some hype yeah they should they should watch some like uh like rocket league or like soccer announcers. Soccer announcers are crazy. I also, I think that the scoring system is really, they've allowed it to be influenced too much by player preference and not enough by audience preference.

Starting point is 03:42:39 So it's best two out of three sets or two out of three games in a match and it's to 21 points per game and uh every rally counts for a point but what's so entertaining about tennis for the spectators is that you can have a match that goes on for four hours because um they you can only score when you're serving, and the defender can stymie your attempts to score, right? Whereas in badminton, somebody scores on every single rally, which rewards aggression, aggression, aggression all the time. It doesn't reward a more patient defensive style, and it also doesn't allow for much back and forth. Once someone's up 10 to 5, that game is probably over, and there are exceptions, but it's far less normal, whereas I think that they would be better served by a best 3 out of 5 to 11,

Starting point is 03:43:40 but with a service point system or something like that. So there is a lot more potential for upsets and a lot more reason to keep your eyes glued to the screen. I don't know. It has some of the same problems as tennis, where the dominant players are going to win. But I think something that badminton struggles with, particularly in the Western world,

Starting point is 03:44:00 is that those dominant players are not uh big personalities in many cases and often don't speak english so like him like him talking and drama and stuff like that like him or hate him novak novak yokovic or yokovic or whatever is is uh a personality well look at stuff like the UFC. The personalities matter so much. It's one of the reasons esports is just... Struggles. Struggles. Because the personalities

Starting point is 03:44:35 that are electric end up on Twitch. They don't end up actually competing because it's way less profitable if you're watchable right yeah several moons ago linus mentioned on the wan show that he did not like mid-roll commercials if that is so why is it that the main ltt channel is the only one that does not use them um because the main ltt channel is the one that I maintain the most influence over. Yeah, I think you answered your own question. Easy.

Starting point is 03:45:10 Any interest in self-hosting applications? Something like NextCloud that can be Google Drive and Docs replacement. Oops, sorry. Hold that thought. I just accidentally clicked show on something about replacing M50X ear cups. You were looking for options and my brain was tired. We did a sponsor spot recently for, man, I don't even remember what their name was,

Starting point is 03:45:32 but a lot of really great audience feedback on that. It was from the last Handy Tech video. So go check out them. Do they do it for other headphones? Yeah, they do it for lots of different headphones. Okay, I need to look into it. My, I need replacements. Yeah, Wicked Cushions, that's the one. Thank you, Twitch chat, for lots of different headphones. Okay, I need to look into it. I need replacements. Yeah, Wicked Cushions.

Starting point is 03:45:45 That's the one. Thank you, Twitch chat, for being helpful for once. Oh, yeah, I might need to do that as well. Let's see. Okay, sorry. You can hit me with that merch message again. I had accidentally archived that one. I don't even remember what it was.

Starting point is 03:46:03 Yeah, I have no idea. Okay, well, my apologies. I screwed that up for them. Uh, I'm looking for more. Yeah, you just gotta dig through at this point. There isn't that many. Oh, okay, here's one for me. I'm a corporate audio technician.

Starting point is 03:46:22 Dan, what is the purpose of what looks like an XY stereo microphone sitting on top of Linus's RE20? No, that is me being lazy as all hell. Linus destroyed his mic arm the other week. And I whipped that one together. It's literally just a small rig arm that I should fix fix there you go he's trying to do it again no i was just trying to show the people um let's see thanks for the free australian shipping kangaroo

Starting point is 03:47:01 come on we got eight left you guys pick one all right hi dlls thank you from chechia what jobs would you say are the best match for a youtube content creator when the youtube thing doesn't work out i i have no idea what i would do linus is not the person to ask that something um is like is a streamer like not is that unfair yeah i ask that question. Something, um... Is, like, is a streamer, like, not... Is that unfair? Yeah, I think that's a cop-out. Yeah. Edit for other YouTube channels.

Starting point is 03:47:31 Sales. If you've got a personality that... Sales and marketing? Yeah, that translates to, you know, interacting with lots of people and them enjoying it, then, you know, sales is a good place to be. There. Ha!

Starting point is 03:47:42 I came up with one. Nice. Linus, you got any more joggers or hoodies in the works? Yes, we have really cool sport pants coming that I think look awesome. As for hoodies, yeah, almost certainly. I think we have a blank zip up coming or a blank not zip up.

Starting point is 03:48:01 I don't know. There's definitely more hoodies coming though. Hey DLL, how do you feel about the shift in the software space from shipping fully featured to pushing something out earlier than it's ready and polishing it with patches? We feel bad. It's our word that's more than bad. Terrible.

Starting point is 03:48:18 Terrible. Ungoodly. But. But what? It's ass. it's butt ass what's one piece or type of new tech that just baffles you and makes you feel old like how the government's unscormed uh tiktok i just don't get it sorry i just don't get it No no not TikTok Like filters and stuff that you can put on your face

Starting point is 03:48:49 Oh yeah me too Like I just oh my god I don't care oh my god Yeah Hi everyone I work in IT but also do a lot Of streaming events Oh and anything that takes longer Like

Starting point is 03:49:04 Sending and receiving like voice memos Oh yeah and anything that takes longer. Like sending and receiving like voice memos. Oh, yeah. F*** that. Anything that is faster for you and takes longer for your recipient is you just being an a**hole. Sorry. You take the time. I always tell my kids this. take the time. I always tell my kids this, the onus is on the communicator to be understood and to be as little work as possible for other people to interact with. Otherwise people aren't

Starting point is 03:49:31 going to talk to you. So I have this conversation with them when they mumble, for example, like, look, you got to watch people's body language. If you start talking and people go like this and then like this and walk away, that means you're too much work to listen to and if people don't listen to you then you're never going to get anywhere it's that simple so you need to pay attention if someone is having a hard time understanding you speak the f**k up now be understood and if you're understood and your ideas suck well then hey you've got other work to do but at least you got step one um so yeah people who are like i'm gonna save 14 seconds by doing this so that it's really inconvenient for you to hear what i have to say honestly i just ignore them most of the time even from people

Starting point is 03:50:16 that i correspond with regularly so people don't bother sending them to me yeah sorry i never get them and i i hate them so that makes me happy yeah hi dll been enjoying the late show as someone who gets off work very late on the west coast haven't heard about it in agents but is a comforter still in the works yeah we still have a bunch of alpaca wool to deal with so i hope so at some point okay i tried to reply to this one from christopher like twice i think um here i'm just gonna show it this one um you probably don't need any more oh right you probably don't need any more lanes than what our consumer platform has because none of those devices will pull full bandwidth all the time anyway so you're probably fine

Starting point is 03:51:05 I want to go home now you just ruined it we were so close we're going home we have to play bubble hockey oh my god you promised yeah you did

Starting point is 03:51:21 I didn't promise you said we'd play at least one round alright fair enough when was that? I don't know I believe't. Yeah, you did. I didn't promise. You said we'd play at least one round. Alright, fair enough. When was that? I don't know. I believe you, to be honest. I'm probably lying, to be honest. Who knows? It was so long ago. Alright.

Starting point is 03:51:38 Do you want to hear something crazy? What? We've done a hundred grand in sales today. Yeah. Do you want to know how many of those messages dashboard is more than that so yeah do you want to know how many of those are to like timbuk2 places probably pretty much all of it shipped for free a solid like three quarters of them you know it's actually like kind of exciting um yeah so we've talked about how like oh we should make it so that each message shows up for a fixed period of time on the outro whatever yeah oh my god we got we got

Starting point is 03:52:18 assigned tasks to do dog we haven't done that yet this is gonna be a wild ride we're gonna watch like oh my god 400 there's 490 messages in the queue right now that's gonna go by wait no no that can't be right oh my god i think that's right i'm pretty sure there's no that's gotta be like doubled i don't think so do you want me to set timing to zero hold on hold on let me just send it? No, no. Wait, wait, wait. Let me find one that I replied to and I'll see how long ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was ages ago.

Starting point is 03:52:50 Oh, yeah. That was like an hour ago. Oh, yeah. Because we've basically done about 300 together in the last hour. Because I was at like, I had 200 in my queue at like hour three because i couldn't functionally do it so we've just basically slammed around 400 merch messages and the merch message timing is set to zero currently so it's it's just it's just given them yeah as fast as it can uh i'm gonna i'm gonna hit the button it's gonna be like a laser beam oh okay why did we even bother to reply to them if they're gonna

Starting point is 03:53:32 go by so fast that no one can even read the answers i mean maybe i just kind of wanted to show it over by frames okay here's one that i did i did that at least an hour ago yeah let's see so i think my reply is something like uh no not much prepping yep we have 486 to go do you want to just keep sitting here i get overtime this is fine oh my god oh dan's got a lot of overtime today i'm uh it's double time oh my god oh sick so so i'm like getting boned at both ends then basically. I'm free if that helps. Yeah. I want to play bubble hockey though.

Starting point is 03:54:08 I don't want to sit here. I got to post tech linked. Oh. Conrad says, I'm so excited. People can pause to see the answers. I'm wondering if it's actually going to be so fast that they can't. I think it might be. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:54:23 I'm only at 30 frames a second. Yeah. I don't think there's going to be enough frames. Like at 30 FPS, it might actually go too fast. I'm excited. It's going to be nuts. Oh, hold on. We got more merch messages. No, no, we're not acknowledging those.

Starting point is 03:54:37 They missed the boat and merch messages are over. Yeah, yeah, it's done. Oh my God. Yeah, it's done Oh my god We sold $100,000 worth of mystery sweats At what cost? Carol from Poland What did it cost? Everything

Starting point is 03:54:55 Whatever the quote is, I'm tired You're our 4,000th item today? 4,000th item Yeah This is stupid There's been over four thousand items gone through merch messages today this is like just so you guys know this is not normal um i'm glad it's not normal the reason we're talking about this is not because we sell a hundred grand worth of merch during every wan show it's because that is not what happens. I mean, yeah.

Starting point is 03:55:26 There's also other ways to word it, right? Like, we sold 100 grand worth of merch. Linus almost certainly lost money on this, though. Sick. Yeah, because of all the shipping. Oh, yeah. So much of this was sent to people in places where the shipping is potentially more expensive than the products that they bought.

Starting point is 03:55:42 And the shipping's free. And a lot of those products were on a mega sale cost money and we're on a mega sale so like there's just yeah hey enjoy your stuff hey at least like leave a review on the site you know yeah talk about how much you love it or whatever yeah that would help a little yep at least we sold a lot of screwdrivers. Not 4,000 orders, 4,000 items. Yeah, yeah. Someone in chat said 4,000 orders. It's not 4,000 orders.

Starting point is 03:56:08 And that's the only people that gave a merch message, right? Some people don't do that, or is that required? No, lots of people don't. Lots of people order during the show and don't leave a merch message. Shout out everyone who listened and was like, you know what, I'll pick up a screwdriver or a backpack. I think we blew through as many backpacks. Wait, is this right?

Starting point is 03:56:36 Did we sell 87 backpacks today? Today, like in the last hour and a half? That can't be right. Maybe. It's a big box, by the way. Holy crap. We moved 87 backpacks in the last hour and a half. Wow.

Starting point is 03:56:52 Yeah, so shout out people who bought, you know, not on sale items. Thank you. That takes some of the sting out of it. Again, it's a big box. Yeah. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. again it's a big box yeah oh right yeah oh yeah right that box to like south africa oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah okay cool um all right you know what i think it's time to go now did you did you make it so that like they have to order a certain amount to get free shipping?

Starting point is 03:57:26 $150. Okay. Yeah. But we have so many items on Mega Stupid Sale right now that we have no hope whatsoever of recouping it if they just like load up on mystery sweatpants and mystery hoodies and stuff. Hey.

Starting point is 03:57:43 Liquidity. Yeah. See you again next week Same bad time, same bad channel Bye Okay, let's see this Good, good writing Oh Hey

Starting point is 03:57:58 Some people can read, there are some that are readable Are they all readable? No But some of those are readable

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