The WAN Show - I'm sure you have questions..... - WAN Show May 19, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:15 And welcome to the WAN Show! We have a fantastic show lined up for you today. A lot of great topics. I'm going to do my best to pick the two that Luke was planning on. Schools are struggling with AI as the academic year ends. Failure so far. And

Starting point is 00:00:32 a startup is offering free televisions as long as you consent to being spied on. You got 50%. This guy stepped down as CEO. That's a topic. I got to farm you for content.

Starting point is 00:00:52 Chief Vision Officer would agree that you should be farmed for content. Okay? That's, I believe that's how that would go. Ah, man. Yep. Imager content? Why don't we jump into our first big topic you know what i haven't actually done a q a with the floatplane peeps yet but i guess they can ask me some questions now i'll do a stream a little bit later with you guys i did say i would do that in the video but in summary if you somehow manage to

Starting point is 00:01:41 miss the video that we uploaded yesterday, which I think is probably not a thing because it has four million views or something like that already. Yes, it's true. I will be stepping down as CEO of Linus Media Group and all its affiliated companies. This isn't really a decision that happened overnight. I think for some people, they probably feel like it did. I saw a lot of people asking like it was it the The backpack controversy that precipitated them sitting here going no no no I actually did not lose any sleep over the backpack controversy

Starting point is 00:02:17 Or actually really any of the major controversies this week I've definitely been like annoyed and frustrated But no I haven't lost any sleep over them because the thing is, I think a lot of people probably don't realize this, but I am inside my own head. And so I know if a major community concern is actually going to be a problem in the longterm. And if it's not, then I just get to do what I'm going to do and you guys will see and everything will be fine so so i didn't i didn't lose a ton of sleep even if some people did uh but i would say that it's more just a cumulative effect um i mean i think luke could probably could probably speak to this more than

Starting point is 00:02:59 me but i am not a detail oriented person. And you know, what's funny is that I can be very thorough in certain ways. Like I can come in even for something that I don't work with day to day. And I can go, Hey, have you considered a, B and X and Y ways that we could potentially improve the workflow here? Or I,

Starting point is 00:03:23 you know, from time to time, again, like I'm not saying I'm some kind of genius i think i'm above average but definitely not genius but i can come in and suggest something even in fields where i have like no experience uh whether it's and i think the the solution we found for one of our upcoming screwdriver products was actually suggested by me and it was actually was one of my favorite moments ever because I was like hey Kyle did we think of this and he's like no actually and I'm like would that work he's like yeah I think so yes I can't remember a specific one

Starting point is 00:04:06 But I remember suggesting something like development related to you at some point And I was like if this is dumb feel free to tell me because I know I couldn't write a line of code to save my life And you're like no a lot of code is just math and logic And that's actually a really logical way to solve the problem and they're like that work i don't remember if we ended up implementing it but it was like it was like not not stupid but here's my problem my follow-up on any of that is basically zero um my ability to to document a new process that i come up with whether it's myself or working collaboratively with someone, is basically

Starting point is 00:04:45 zero. I mean, I remember James giving me a really hard time because he's sitting here going, I'm trying to manage this writing department. I'm trying to create documents and processes and training procedures. And what I'm finding is that basically, other than you just talking to people and brain dumping on them anytime you see a problem, we don't have any. And I'm like, yeah, pretty much. I mean, it worked for you, right? He's like, oh, that's not the point.

Starting point is 00:05:21 Because we have so many more people now, right? because we have so many more people now right and it's my my biggest pain point is is related to that but essentially it's the the transitioning from small to medium business like disseminating information now is kind of hard um i even ran into an issue where like i need to look into if i can mute reaction notifications on teams because i like posted that flow plane updated and people should use it in a different way and then my teams was just constantly going off for the rest of the day i was like well this is actually really annoying like it's it's actually distracting at this point like i don't know i had something today where i we had an issue with a shoot this morning where actually no i should back up we had an issue with a shoot late yesterday where i arrived on set

Starting point is 00:06:06 and it was set up for a static a cam with an operated b cam on sticks or on a tripod and i was looking at it going hey so i know that we recently reminded the writers and the production team that they're supposed to have a b-roll meeting before the b-roll is shot for a video but it occurs to me that i don't think we ever formally said you can stop having an a-roll meeting and clearly that um well did that happen here and the answer was no and i'm like so have you guys so you guys haven't looked at the script together yet. And it was mostly pretty new faces, relatively speaking. So it's not like I'm mad at anyone or anything like that. But it was pretty obvious, based on the kind of video that it was,

Starting point is 00:06:55 that a static camera wasn't going to work at all. There were little things that I need to hold up and show to the camera. And then practical demonstrations that I needed to do that involved walking from one side of a table to another and plugging things ready for that stuff yeah and and and the camera operator again relatively new I'm not going to name any names it doesn't matter that's not the point the camera operator is like yeah well I'm just going to follow you and I'm like okay but you gotta you gotta think end to end here right what if I move in a way that's unexpected? Now we have a delay while you track me.

Starting point is 00:07:27 We have a second delay while you focus. Heaven forbid you need to alter your zoom or something like that, or we're going to be stacking delay upon delay upon delay. I'm going to have moved on by the time you've actually got me centered in the frame. And he's like, oh yeah. And I'm like, so that's a challenge

Starting point is 00:07:42 that we've got to deal with here. And what I feel like, that's kind of how I phrased it, is that you guys haven't really synced up on how this is supposed to be shot. Because this is more than words on a page, right? This is a Bible for creating this video, like this script. So what I want you guys to do is spend the rest of the day uh because this was pretty close to the end of the day we would have barely been able to get it shot so it's not like they were going to do this and then we were going to finish shooting it so i was like okay spend the rest of the day i'll go do something else make myself busy it's not hard

Starting point is 00:08:17 um go through it and then we'll pick this up again tomorrow morning i arrived tomorrow morning now the plan is i believe still to shoot on sticks no no the plan is i don't remember what the plan is but yeah no the plan i don't remember the plan the plan was bad in in a nutshell because the we had created some props to do the demos that i was going to do from one side of the other but the props were not applicable and then i was supposed to do something where i'm like i'm holding something up and the cables that or the cable that connected it was so long it was like a four foot long cable that in order for me to show how it was connected i would have had to have my arms like this and the framing would have been so wide you wouldn't have been able to see the things in my hands and i was like

Starting point is 00:09:08 you know what i think just happened here is you guys have never done this before and i basically just assumed that you would just know um tell you what let's rewind i'm gonna do this with you i will do the read through the script and show you guys what's in my head and why so it needs to start on a close-up and the reason it needs to start on a close-up is because the title and thumbnail is this and we need to see this product right away it needs to go wide and that has to be done with a zoom not with a post-production punch-in because the previous shot needs to be quite detailed then i'm going to talk for a little bit here and this is

Starting point is 00:09:52 too long this is too long for me to be standing and presenting so when we get to this point we need to do some kind of transition so that i'm in kind of talking to you and and showing you something rather than presenting to you. And that's really important. You've got to remember the way that people talk to each other. The camera is the eyes of another participant in what is essentially just a one-sided conversation, if you think of it that way. Like, that's the point. That's the whole point of YouTube, is that they're not necessarily talking to the other characters on camera they can be but it's for it's for you it's personal right and so if we're

Starting point is 00:10:33 not engaging in that way if you're not coming in close and tilting the camera down a little bit as i show you something it's gonna feel unnatural to the viewer even though they have no idea why and so i i did this little workshop and the point which i'm finally coming around to is that i did this workshop for like four people um and i realized after i was done that there's at least another four probably more like another 14 that need to know that. And now it's lost forever. Whoops. So how do we fix that? Do I just like start selfie camera recording myself giving this workshop?

Starting point is 00:11:15 Do we send it to everybody after? Sometimes, I mean, you know me and sometimes I don't even know I'm about to. For floatplane, we have a knowledge. We have a thing called a knowledge base. But how do I get what just happened in it? Yeah. this case you would have to record it yeah and then you would put it in a knowledge base title it properly and then people could look it up whenever they want i don't always know when i'm about to do a knowledge base article that's my problem well it's one of my problems you'd have to redo it at that point pretty much unfortunately because once

Starting point is 00:11:43 you did it once and you had that recognition that, like, this is information people should be able to look up, then you'd have to do it again. Yeah. But then he doesn't have time. Yeah. Only there was four people that you just gave a workshop to who could pool their knowledge. Yeah. The thing is, I especially don't have time to redo the workshop so i should do it once but the problem too is that the meta is always changing like if i if i record something

Starting point is 00:12:13 like that today i mean some of it is some of it is usable forever you have to plan for what the visual is going to be you have to actually not just look at the script and make sure you've got everything on the props list you've got to think about what is he supposed to hold up when he's reading this paragraph. If somebody isn't standing right out of frame, ready to toss it or ready to hand it, then we have to stop the shoot, get it, get someone in position and restart the shoot. That is incredibly disruptive to our workflow. And we waste a ton of time with me arriving on set going, hey, this is great. You brought this HDMI cable, but did you bring the adapter that we need to plug it into this

Starting point is 00:12:54 ancient GPU that doesn't have HDMI? No. Okay. Well, I guess we'll go get that. Oh no. Now we keep all our inventory over at the lab. It's going to cost us like 20 minutes to go get this thing. now we keep all our inventory over at the lab it's gonna cost us like 20 minutes to go get this thing like we waste so much time and so what i'm hoping is that if i can focus more

Starting point is 00:13:12 on this type of thing on helping people think visually i guess uh and and you know more thoroughly then maybe yeah maybe maybe i will be able to be in more videos. I've been in, like, two short circuits in the last two and a half months or something like that. I love short circuit! Short circuit is so easy. It's like YouTuber easy mode. The story is the product in front of you.

Starting point is 00:13:40 It's like how Linus Tech Tips started. Yeah, it's like I could... Because it was easy. I could do short circuit in my sleep And I actually like I kind of enjoy it because I can just sit and kind of experience the product I don't have to think about hosting it like when I was doing The D brand Nintendo switch tears of the kingdom edition or whatever I'm just having fun. I don't care there was an air obviously they were way worse

Starting point is 00:14:05 than what short circuit is currently but there was an era where we'd do like eight of those an hour oh man they are gonna be good though that's the other thing is i want my role as chief vision officer to be really focused in the early days on getting the lab and the writing team synergized because right now the writing team is really great at creativity i mean like okay i'm not singling anyone out but i'm gonna give a gold star to to adam from the writing team like that guy writes intros sometimes that I just look at and I go like, where did this come from? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:48 Okay. Like, uh, he's the one who wrote the, the cheerleader thing for, um, for a Chromebooks or whatever, where we had like this,

Starting point is 00:14:56 he wrote this cheer for it and everybody has pom poms and everything. I'm, I'm looking at this going like, I mean, I love it, but really yeah um and and to his credit he's actually pretty darn good when it comes to understanding the analytical side of things too he's actually done some really good work that you guys will see eventually um at some point with a new product release of some sort that will have a lot of graphs.

Starting point is 00:15:26 Anyway, he's done some really good work on graphing for us and automating taking in that labs data. But the writing team, by and large, is really, really great creatively and really, really passionate about technology, but not necessarily as scientifically rigorous as the labs team, which is made up of engineers, right? Meanwhile, the labs team is really good at like nailing down process. They're trying to figure out like ISO, whatever the crap. And I'm just kind of sitting here going, I just want to know if it's loud, you know? But obviously I let them do their thing because that's why we hire good people

Starting point is 00:16:09 who want to ISO whatever stuff. The point is, you know, those guys are really great at being super analytical, but they don't always necessarily see the content in what they're doing. Like the labs has given pushback on a concept where i wanted to just like grab the cheapest power supplies that we had kicking around here and see how many of them we could blow up with the power supply tester before we got the proper oscilloscope

Starting point is 00:16:37 and all the training on it and they're like oh uh uh uh uh but that's not very you know so i'm like i don't care. It's a sick power supply tester. It's got a load generator module in it. Let's blow up some cheap power supplies. We can make power supply go boom. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. Oh, I really think we should wait until whatever. Which one blue flames the most?

Starting point is 00:16:57 I mean, you could wait forever. You could wait forever to do things the mostest properly. I want to make content about the process. Like, did you have any idea how, do you have any idea how advanced mark bench is right now somewhat yeah mark bench is incredible yeah and nobody told me anything the last time anybody gave me an update on mark bench it was just uh pretty much an auto hotkey script that would automatically not quite. It wasn't much more sophisticated than that, though.

Starting point is 00:17:28 This was back when they were still working upstairs here. Okay. Yeah. The last time anybody updated me on Markbench, it was pretty much an auto hotkey script that would just kind of cycle through the buttons in the menu to run a canned benchmark. It was pretty unsophisticated. It was something that I'm sure reviewers around the world have been doing basically since the dawn of time Yeah, we got roasted for it. I was like guys

Starting point is 00:17:49 This is not the end goal like relax. Do you remember that? Do you know so annoying? Do you know what it can do now? Okay, it uses so there's a there's a head unit you guys are gonna see this in more detail You're gonna see this in action in the upcoming labs tour head unit you guys are going to see this in more detail you're going to see this in action in the upcoming labs tour but there's a head unit that sits under the desk that right now is monitoring the output with like api uh so what would the what's actually running the api so that would be on the oh you don't even know this saying right now are you talking to ocr when it's reading the screen is that it yeah yeah yeah. Something's running an API and one of them hooks into the other.

Starting point is 00:18:27 So it must be the clients that are hooking into the server machine. I'm not entirely sure which part of the chain you're talking about right now, but I think so, yes. It doesn't matter. The point is there's a head unit that is monitoring the screen outputs

Starting point is 00:18:41 of all three of the stations and can apparently scale beyond that and It is basically looking for text. So OCR is optical character recognition And what that does is it tells it hey There's an unexpected state here and it can log that and spit out errors and get this it gets even better It can actually use that that optical recognition of what's going on on the screens to chop down all the footage we record of the benchmarks and gameplay so that either we could, uh, splice them together.

Starting point is 00:19:16 If we wanted to show actual gaming footage off of these cards for the final video, or we could, um, or we could automatically edit them together if the labs tech or if the writer wanted to just see if anything anomalous happened in terms of image quality. It's a very good idea to have. It's something that we've talked about since the beginning. It does error handling. So if a benchmark crashes, it'll say, hey, we're on the main menu right now. That's probably not where we're supposed to be. It can navigate menus. So what we saw running is that now it can navigate menus,

Starting point is 00:19:55 and then it's a separate thing that is also running on the head unit, I believe, that can handle input as well. So in our upcoming reviews of products that we'll have at some point that will have lots of graphs, NDA, we are going to have gaming benchmarks for games that do not have built-in benchmarks, which is so cool

Starting point is 00:20:19 because we can just navigate the menu, open up a save, move our character. We've got it down to about, I think 1% is the target. I think we've got two games that are able to achieve within 1% run-to-run variance, which is so cool. And we don't have to, because we used to do this, but it was

Starting point is 00:20:38 like an insane volume of manual work. No longer. Yeah, not anymore. And it wasn't as reproducible, whereas now the whole thing is being input by machine it's pretty sick no one thought to tell me this we could have made an entire video about the progress on mark bench and now it's just bundled into some lab update which is fine you know we should do a lab update and i guess now you guys get the information even more packed but they are doing so much cool stuff over there

Starting point is 00:21:10 that we are not making videos about how often do you want like do you consider over saturation in what sense like if we had if we had two videos on various mark bench milestones between the last two things between the last video we did on labs and this most recent update is that too much um it's more that i think in the labs update we wouldn't include mark bench then we would just talk about other stuff and but mark bench could have been its own video for sure and really what it comes down to like how often we should uh release a new video about mark bench comes down to title and thumbnail if we have a title uh you know uh so that would kind of require probably what you're saying like more integration of you into what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. So that I could tell them, Hey, this is super cool. Uh, yes, I can make this clicky. Yes. Yeah. That,

Starting point is 00:22:11 that's the key, right? Because that's what makes something a YouTube video. I don't, I don't need anything other than a title and thumbnail, and I can probably entertain for anywhere from nine to 15 minutes without too much difficulty. Uh, but what I really need is a title and thumbnail. 15 minutes without too much difficulty. But what I really need is a title and thumbnail. So, okay, let's say that MarkBench got more powerful and all of a sudden, oh, for the machine vision, it needs an upgrade. And by the way, we're going to parallelize all the benchmarking that we're doing to an even greater degree.

Starting point is 00:22:40 And there's a couple of more harnesses for new games. I'm going, let's go. Okay. All the stations need to be up on a rack. And I've got a gaming headset on in the thumbnail. And I've got like a controller or a keyboard mouse. I'm like, I am benchmarking 12 computers. And they're all there or whatever. Boom.

Starting point is 00:23:03 Easy, easy. People will click on that. No problem. And then we just explain all those things and show how it's all working and we go through this story of you know How machine vision works and you know why we needed a more powerful GPU in order to run more stations at once why we didn't Need a more powerful CPU or why we did need more RAM. What did we need? What didn't we need? How does the storage for all this work? How does the storage for all this work? Is it actually storing like screen recording from all of them or like what? What are we doing? I believe so To a certain degree okay, so we found this motherboard with 12 PCIe slots, so we could fill it with capture cards like I don't know

Starting point is 00:23:36 But let's tell me some amount. I think it might be temporal. I don't remember I need to spend more time with that exactly be temporal i don't remember i need to spend more time with that exactly exactly they're over there doing the coolest stuff in this entire stupid building float planes have been pants on fire for a long time so i've been neglecting yeah i get it and i'm just i'm not i'm not talking about any of it so i'm excited i'm excited that's gonna be that's gonna be really awesome um and i think that given that the lab is the biggest investment we've made into moat building pretty much since we started the company if we are not utilizing it properly that's going to be terrible uh oh the reason i started talking about the lab though was what i'm really excited about is what's going to be happening for short circuit man we are going to be able to do like eight minute power supply videos that are literally everything you could possibly need to know about it don't even bother looking at the manufacturing

Starting point is 00:24:34 website that PSU tester is so cool and the the person who's been brought in to operate it has been really great so far apparently and we're really really really excited it's going to be set up and ready to go hopefully in the next like few weeks and the first video we have planned is going to be like a sub 40 power supply roundup because isn't that what we need to know like yeah with basic equipment like what a lot of other sites are using you can tell if it's going to immediately set your computer on fire. But which one is actually good? Don't know.

Starting point is 00:25:13 I don't know. Don't know. There's a bunch of that type of content that hasn't been... What were we talking about recently? Cell phones and their signal stuff. Yeah, yeah. Who has better reception? I don don't know that used to be something that was in a lot of cell phone reviews oh for sure people would talk about all the time

Starting point is 00:25:30 and then it hasn't been a thing for quite a while now yep well it was really hard to do it was really hard to do repeatably with a really sophisticated equipment yeah and i think that's one of the reasons why it actually faded away was a lot of the testing that was being done Was kind of junk yeah So so I stopped doing it either They were a site that or an outlet that didn't care and didn't bother or they were a site or outlet that did care and realized That what they were doing was worthless yeah So so goodbye

Starting point is 00:26:02 Yeah Yeah, I'm really I'm really excited about power supplies. We're really excited about what we're going to be able to do with RF men. I found out how much that RF chamber cost. You didn't know? I didn't. I did. I didn't.

Starting point is 00:26:20 Yeah. It's a cool room. Yeah. It's a pretty cool room. Yeah, I thought it was six figures i didn't think it was deep six figures yeah yeah yeah but but i gotta i gotta shout out raymond dmc uh apparently we're we're doing some some cross-promotional like we're doing some marketing for them and it's it's not costing a lot or something I don't know the

Starting point is 00:26:46 exact deal but we have a video coming on our RF chamber soon and it's freaking sick it's very cool yeah it's genuinely very cool like really amazing really excited about that so there's the RF chamber there's power supplies man GPU testing is gonna be amazing with some of the changes to MarkBench. We were already running new fresh benchmarks for every review. And you guys are going to continue to see that, which I'm not sure who else is actually doing that right now because it's extremely time consuming. And with the kind of crunch that you're operating on for these GPU reviews, it's really, really tough to do. But we are going to be doing even more testing.

Starting point is 00:27:39 Yeah, I was trying to think like what else is what else is kind of shaken. So that's it. I am the chief vision officer. Oh, yeah, the moat building. Right. So when I say moat building, the goal is not to to like aggressively, you know, attack other a position where other people are just going to have to make bigger investments if they want to match us for content. I had some people kind of criticize me for that, like moat building. And I guess there is kind of a negative connotation there, but shouldn't everyone be trying to do the absolute best they can to make the best content they possibly can? I don't think that's the only approach either, to be honest. Because we're doing, like, all of the things under the sun.

Starting point is 00:28:34 And you could specialize. Yeah, that's not really... Is that... Yeah, it's not really, like... Okay, sure. So what you're saying is, like, you would build your moat but like a small moat around a small castle by by like conquering a niche you were mentioning like oh other people are gonna have to up their investment it's like well not in the same way though oh sure i see what you mean yeah it could be in a smaller way around a smaller niche absolutely i mean i've talked about how i

Starting point is 00:28:59 think in a big way that's a few that's the future of the platform yeah is smaller smaller niche specialist channels so um the way that my vision kind of looks right now is we're going to have to find a way to match that and i think the way to do that is by centralizing a lot of great testing with great testing equipment and really knowledgeable people generating data and then taking that and disseminating it across a wide variety of channels, be they written or video or podcast or whatever it is that they are. That's the way that we're going to be able

Starting point is 00:29:37 to leverage our strength, which is our size, while also competing with scrappy, smaller operations. That's the vision. Chief Vision Officer. Let's go. Want to pick our next topic? Are you tired of talking about it yet? Which part of it?

Starting point is 00:29:57 Just any part of it. I feel like you've probably just had constant conversations since it was done. Sort of, actually. You know what? Internally, only a couple of people messaged me after monday morning meeting uh even externally i only had maybe like half a dozen people message me about it the thing is that i'm kind of antisocial so i don't really talk to people um i mean i messaged taron about it obviously he was like hey thanks for the heads up and I was like yeah I had no idea it was coming we pushed

Starting point is 00:30:30 this like massive floatplane update and then it was like well happy it works yeah what did he what did he say I forget I forget what he actually said about it yeah thanks for the heads up I go haha no problem he goes haha I

Starting point is 00:30:48 Have random people I don't know messaging me already dude reddit was covered in his face We're just making memes about it and stuff It generally like good hearted. I think so. Yeah, yeah, it's good overall I've been really happy with the support from the community. Thank you so much guys I really do agree with most of the community that says they think this is gonna be a positive change. I do too I just man what was some stupid administrative thing that I had to deal with this week, you know, it doesn't matter I think it's gonna be hard to say without saying anything identifiable It doesn't matter. I every time someone contacts me at this point about something that

Starting point is 00:31:28 Is not gonna be my problem in two weeks. I'm just like yeah Two weeks dang it six weeks. Oh I'm checked out already. Just I just asked him every time can this wait six weeks Does this have to be dealt with now I don't have to do that I can just ask them to wait two weeks and then do that again and then one more time that's the vision officer dude yeah that's how i deal with family members that i don't want to see very often just delay repeatedly yeah yeah so what you do what what the key is what's happening with the workout day then you know

Starting point is 00:32:00 no actually that's the whole that's the whole thing. So so so the trick, the trick is that you you schedule something really far out and then but not so far out that they'll try to schedule something in between, but far out enough that. OK, so first you wait as long as possible. Right. Then when it's finally time to do something, you schedule it for as far out as you can where there won't really be room to do something in between. And then you won't have to hear about it until then. Then you rinse and repeat.

Starting point is 00:32:34 And that's how you can kind of get down from monthly to realistically special occasions and a couple of other times a year. That's the trick. That's the strat. That's the strat. That's the strat. Yeah. Okay. What do you want to talk about now?

Starting point is 00:32:50 We can talk about the TV. Let's talk about the TV. Startup offers a free TV. Free TV. Free TV. Free TV. It spies on you. It's a startup called Telly,

Starting point is 00:33:01 and it will soon be offering a free 55 inch 4k HDR television that comes with a second banner screen which is just like a very ultra wide screen that goes underneath that constantly plays ads. The ads are designed to not interrupt the television viewing experience but just in case you were concerned about it the the 55-inch screen above can also just play ads when it's not in use, just to make sure that you're fully saturated. The built-in sound bar includes a microphone and a motion tracking camera with privacy shutter. The TV may collect information about the audio and video content you watch, search queries, the physical presence of anyone in the room, and it may collect names, email addresses, phone numbers, ages, dates of birth, zip codes, precise geolocation, gender, ethnicity, and sexual life or sexual orientation. And also political beliefs like environmentalism, which you don't have if you own this TV.

Starting point is 00:34:07 If users opt out of data collection, they will have to return the television or have their credit card charged $500. Nice. The company claims they will ship half a million units starting this summer. Wow. I think we should get one. Oh, soon as I saw this I was like I am all over this we have to try to figure out

Starting point is 00:34:32 how to spoof it that's my opinion that'd be sick we should try to fit like the motion presence thing I'll just like set up some stuff like make it think that's things are going on so we just need like one of those little humping dog usb things so that it thinks it's monitoring your sex life or whatever it just goes continuously oh man i don't know holy crap like if you could i mean you could somehow have it so like the main screen was viewable by you but that second screen was like turned around or something. But there was stuff there to trick it into thinking that it was tracking things. Okay.

Starting point is 00:35:12 Mr. Lafreniere. Oh my. You know it's serious when he pulls out the last name. I'm sorry. I've got to say, I actually don't think this is a big deal. Really? Well. Because it's like all already happening?

Starting point is 00:35:27 Well. Really? You can't let me build there think about it we've seen recently all the stuff that's been coming out about tesla employees having access to footage collected from the cars including like you know people performing sex acts um you know we've seen the way that i mean honestly i would say that my digital communication through email is probably more intimate than a camera in my living room honestly would you disagree no i could see. And I'm not even the kind of person who just posts everything about my personal life to Facebook. For someone who already posts every thought that enters their mind on Facebook or Twitter...

Starting point is 00:36:16 It's not true for everyone, though. No, but for those people, realistically, what f***ing difference does a TV in their living room with a camera on it make honestly i think i think the main thing uh i think the main difference personally would be that this one the point and what you are agreeing to is the capture of that data whereas like the tesla thing people are gonna get four dollars in a class action lawsuit because of it that's huge i mean yeah i guess i just i just mean this isn't new look at how okay look at the

Starting point is 00:36:54 difference in cost between the uh the ad supported version of the facebook or the meta i don't know whatever the quest the difference between the personal version and the business version it was what like 200 300 or something like that? I remember, but it's a lot. But that was the first time that I had ever had an apples-to-apples comparison of the same service in the personal information-supported version and the, hey, we actually need to make some money on this version. I shouldn't say the first.

Starting point is 00:37:21 When I signed up for G Suite, in the early days, it was pretty inexpensive. But nowadays, services like G Suite or Google Workspace or whatever they call it now are not actually that cheap. I have easily spent $500 on my email account in the years that I've been operating it. You, the free Gmail user, have spent nothing. Why? Because Google has gotten $500 of value from you that's that's math that's how that works right and so if these guys are saying yeah this is like a basic tier 500 tv which we know because we're really smart and you can just buy it for 55 inch does not make it a theater display it's 55 inches which is pretty decent size but they charge you 500 bucks if you don't agree to the policy anymore right 500 bucks yeah yeah a constant recording of your

Starting point is 00:38:14 living room is probably worth that and you've probably already traded your soul for that amount of money before so i'm not saying you should do it. I'm just saying you're doing it already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's fair enough. I do think there's easier steps one can take to reduce this amount of stuff if they don't do something like this,

Starting point is 00:38:39 especially if you're not like a social media person, which if you're not doing it for your job, I would kind of pretty highly suggest you probably do less than you are if you're not like a social media person yeah which if you're not doing it for your job i would kind of pretty highly suggest you probably do less than you are uh because it just rots your brain um but like yeah i don't know i when they said their stat i don't remember where it was oh yeah the company claims they will ship half a million units starting this summer yeah probably maybe more i suspect people will jump on this for sure oh yeah we've got uh we've got people in the chat like dude whose face is in public doesn't see how being in someone's image database might not be someone else's cup

Starting point is 00:39:17 of tea of course i do that's not my point at all he's saying a very large percentage of users are doing that stuff anyways so if you're security conscious obviously this is not for you very obviously but you already knew that so like yeah i don't know there's a there's a ton of people that like put way too much information out there yeah absolutely. Like those Facebook quizzes that ask you every weird personal detail you could ever have as a secret question answer because they're farming secret question answers. People fill those out all the time.

Starting point is 00:39:55 And this one feels really invasive and egregious, but I'm willing to bet there was a... Okay, this actually may not be true. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a similar reaction to the first billboard on the highway. Like, oh, it's distracting. It's an eyesore. Or the first full-page... I still hate billboards.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Or the first full-page advertising spread in a newspaper. What? This isn't even content. This is just ads. I paid for this newspaper. I paid for this news. I paid for this. Exactly. Exactly. This, this slow boil has been happening for over a century at this point. And what's next?

Starting point is 00:40:38 I guess that's where I'm going with this, right? Like I'm, it's not that I'm not outraged. I'm just, I'm just saying like this feels like a logical step we've literally talked about how tvs are going to do this eventually on the web show in the past yeah oh and that end i mean i think there's already like i think there's already patented technology that someone that we talked about on one show from someone that monitors monitors your eyes that uses eye tracking to tell if you're actually looking at ads or not right like that's this is a logical step from there i mean i didn't think it was going to just have like a full full motion camera necessarily i thought i thought eye tracking would be enough but at every stage we

Starting point is 00:41:18 just kind of get used to yeah all right this seems no this seems normal now so so sorry no no i i actually want an answer to that i want to hear from you guys okay floatplane chat what's next what's the next one is it now uh uh in your in your bedroom i mean well then again you know you already look at like echo dots right they're everywhere the number of people that probably have an echo dot in their bedroom right now ring doorbells yeah yeah stuff like that uh okay well okay but well do we see okay then do we see an advertising supported version of the ring doorbell every time you come home it's like welcome home courtesy of you know moors well made well priced well dressed like a freaking i don't know i noticed your your outfit is looking rather tattered today.

Starting point is 00:42:07 Yeah. You should check out more. Have you considered getting a haircut? You know, Great Clips down the street is running a promo right now. We noticed that you didn't take a lunch this morning. Would you like me to order some food for you? Like honestly though, like that was supposed to be how digital assistants like alexa and siri i guess to a lesser degree i don't know what what apple was trying to do with siri but

Starting point is 00:42:30 how alexa and how google assistant and how to a lesser degree but certainly significant degree cortana that was supposed to be the whole point of them they were supposed to make revenue through advertising we were supposed to shop by just telling Alexa, hey, I'm out of Tide Pods. My kids ate them. Can you order some more? But maybe in the ones that taste like dog poo so that they won't eat more of them or whatever, right?

Starting point is 00:42:54 It was supposed to be very conversational, and it just never really happened. But this is how they do it. They get a second or a third or a fourth generation of this is loaded to the gills with you know machine learning hardware in it so that it's like really understanding what it's seeing it doesn't just see it understands and is linked together with all your echo dots and all your security cameras and everything. And they're basically just telling you where to go, asking you if they can order things for you.

Starting point is 00:43:29 Yeah, Futurama predicted ads in your dreams. Hopefully we're pretty far away from that. But okay, let's see. I feel like it's borderline forced watching stuff. We've talked about that for a bit, like ads in VR and and AR experiences especially AR experiences if AR glasses finally ever get sleek enough that they take off I feel like ads are going to be a horrible version of that experience by the way I saw a funny that I want to make sure I mention

Starting point is 00:44:01 it's way gone now but someone mentioned that they think the main reason why you wouldn't mind this TV is because you wouldn't see the ads anyways. I thought that was pretty good. That was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm into it,

Starting point is 00:44:13 but yeah, kind of brutal, but people are going to take these. So like, yeah, tablets. I mean, they're already monitoring everything you do on your tablet

Starting point is 00:44:26 I guess the only difference is that it could actually Just outright have the Camera on at all times Ads in Neuralink Okay I take back What I said maybe the commercials In dreams are not that unrealistic Yeah

Starting point is 00:44:43 Oh man It comes just using yeah i'm high and just trying to enjoy tech bro talk and this is making me physically ill sorry bro i'm actually sorry i didn't mean to get all all All of all of processor, okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get all amped up about this I know you're trying to relax. No, you're gonna get paranoid because you called him out. No, no, no, it's not He's feeling very seen right now man. No, I can't do that. It's not like that. It's not like that. Yeah, everyone's okay Look everyone who's just trying to like Lay back and relax and chill on a Friday. I'm so sorry.

Starting point is 00:45:26 I hope you enjoy watching your, your brand new telly. Um, yeah. Um, you can now own for $0. Have you considered shopping at cannabis dispensary.com? Is that a thing?

Starting point is 00:45:42 I don't know. Probably. I don't know what i just referred people to um okay apparently someone's just just camping that domain so that's probably good yeah that's probably for the best but yeah i don't know like yeah what's the difference nothing it's just another one of those things that i won't get for the same reason why I don't have a bunch of Echo Dots and all this other type of stuff. But like at the same time, I carry my phone on me and I have a robot vacuum that has a

Starting point is 00:46:14 camera on it. Yeah. You know what's really sad is that the people who are going to be predatorially exploitatively whatever the people who are going to be marketed to so aggressively here are the people who can't afford yeah to just buy the tv because this isn't a concern for me i'm not choosing between having a tv at all and not having a TV, right? Like if my TV broke, I would just pay for it to be repaired or pay for a new one. I don't, this, this is not, this is not cutting my life into pieces, my last resort suffocation, you know, no breathing, right? Like I, anywho but for a lot of people it's not an option they don't have five hundred dollars and something like this could be really appealing and i guess what i what i just what i fear for

Starting point is 00:47:19 is that it's going to cost them more than $500. You know, it's an interesting thing. It says if users... It's expensive to be poor. If users opt out of data collection, they'll have to return the television or have their credit card charged $500. What if they've already had their data collected for three years?

Starting point is 00:47:34 I don't know. It doesn't say if you just don't turn the TV on. Could they tell if you taped over the bottom screen? That's the type of stuff i'm wondering about like what if you had like uh a board or something sure that like covered it up i guess you'd still have sound problems you have a mirror you have a black mirror you make it track itself you make it yeah you make the the camera watch the tv let's see how you like it it does in the TOS

Starting point is 00:48:05 so wait it has to be plugged in what if you have like an extended power outage wow I'm just trying to figure out like all the different ways people could abuse this thing that is unreal could you pie hole it I don't know I don't know

Starting point is 00:48:22 you have to have the internet connected to it according to the tos yeah so they'll know that's wild it's pretty nuts that's wild yeah olive processor again in here with the real truths overdraft charges are worth millions of dollars a year that is disgusting it's actually really like charging people for having no money the first time i got charged for overdraft i was like why didn't the transaction fail they they have that function i know for a fact they have that function because i've seen it so how did i manage to take out 18 cents more money than i actually had oh 18 cents nope 20 and 18 cents now like oh my goodness ridiculous and for me it wasn't a matter of like i didn't have money or anything i just like i forget i like used the wrong i keyed in the wrong account or something

Starting point is 00:49:09 like that like this was when i was a teenager um and i still managed my own finances but i uh i was just i was like outraged i was like this is the stupidest thing ever what is it's disgusting yeah 35 it's 35 when i was growing up, the over whatever fee was $20. Yeah, I think it was like $5 or $10 when I was a kid. Someone said $45. Oh, my God. That is just outright predatory and should be illegal. The amount of...

Starting point is 00:49:39 Man, the amount of... We just need like a common sense council, man. Like just... We just need a common sense council, man. Are we massively abusing people that are having a hard time? Maybe we shouldn't do that. If no, okay. If yes, then a f*** you. And no. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:03 a f*** and no. Okay, now is the time for us to explain merch messages, and I want to make it really clear. Merch messages are for people who have the disposable income, not for people to be exploited. Don't go into your overdraft, please. Please no, please no. If you don't already have the money in your bank account to pay off your credit card for this month do not use your credit card on a merch message but

Starting point is 00:50:31 if you're in a good state and you're ready to go merch messages are the way to interact with the show don't send a super chat don't send twitch bits or whatever send a merch message go to ltt store.com check out any of the awesome stuff that we have over there. Do we have any product launches or anything like that that we need to talk about? Yeah, actually. Oh, we do.

Starting point is 00:50:51 Oh, we have some cool new stuff. Anyway, I'll get to that in a second. But first, you head over there, and in the checkout, you're going to see a box when we're live. In the cart, thank you. You're going to see a box when you're live that will prompt you to send a merch message. That merch message goes to one of a few places. It goes our producer dan well actually it all they all go to producer dan

Starting point is 00:51:09 then from there producer dan might reply to you and you'll see your reply down there or you might just see your message get pushed onto the stream so you can be like hi mom or like uh hi other mom or whatever it doesn't really matter or you might have your message curated and it'll be something that luke or i or luke and i or sometimes dan will also reply to during wanshow after dark we'll do a couple of them now just to kind of show you guys how it works but first i want to show you what we've got on the site we are launching two new products this week and one of them is a pretty big announcement. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:45 This is the official logo for LTT Labs. Yeah. What do you think? I actually, I like it. It's subtle. You can just say you don't like it. No, I'm not against it. You can just say you don't like it.

Starting point is 00:51:56 I immediately saw it as a heatsink because when Gary and I were talking about it, he pulled out a heatsink and was like, this is the logo. And I was like, what? And then he showed me the digital version. I was like, okay. But you wouldn't have known it was a heatsink and was like this is the logo and i was like what and then he showed me the digital version i was like okay but you wouldn't have known it was a heatsink no no i i see it as a heatsink but people have brought up that it looks like a file folder like one of those things that like one of those like trays that holds files yeah i guess so but i think with the context of having labs there i think you can kind of put it together yeah i'm okay with it yeah yeah i'm just happy we have a logo.

Starting point is 00:52:26 Yeah, we finally have a logo, which is sick. It looks really great in the gradient version, which is not here. So cool. I guess you guys, I can debut that later.

Starting point is 00:52:36 Anyway, it's available in six different colors. This is a pre-sale item. All shirts will be printed following purchase. It may take one to two weeks to print and ship. Please do note this. This is highlighted. now there's no excuse for not noticing also we've got

Starting point is 00:52:49 the same thing but i'm aware i'm aware it's a small microcontroller heatsink a hoodie and we've done a little repeat of what we did when we did our first linus tech tips branded merch of what we did when we did our first Linus Tech Tips branded merch. So if you pick up the Lab's shirt or the Lab's hoodie, it is possible that we will reprint these in the future or that they'll be available on the regular, but we will never do another one with a hashtag first at the back. So really appreciate everyone for supporting this first merch drop for the Lab and our mission that we're on here.

Starting point is 00:53:26 And now hold on just a gosh darn second here. Oh, cool. You can change the text color. Logo color, yeah. Oh, I actually didn't know we had that power. That's very cool. What else did I want to talk about? Oh, notebooks.

Starting point is 00:53:38 Oh, notebooks are back in stock. Oh, that's awesome. Those were out of stock for a long time. All right. Let's do a couple merch messages. Then I want to talk about... Wait, hold on. Hold them off.

Starting point is 00:53:50 There, perfect. Perfect amount of teasing. Oh, okay. All right, Dan. Hit us. Sure. First up here, we've got lots today. Hi, DLL.

Starting point is 00:53:58 What's an example, other than Luke, of someone you've hired for X role then discovered they're better in Y role? Oh, I mean, I think that didn't take long. I mean, Brandon Lee was hired as an editor. Oh, was he? Yeah. I didn't know that.

Starting point is 00:54:15 Remember, he worked on the Steel Series set. He had his editing station up in the office upstairs at my house, not at the Langley house. Man, I forgot we had a Steel Street set. I remember all of this now. Yep. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:30 So I honestly, the list probably goes on and on realistically. I mean. Once you've had people for a really long period of time, it's not that uncommon that they'll swim through a few different sets of responsibilities.

Starting point is 00:54:43 We hired Colton for the business team and found out that really his talents were better suited for like waste management and janitorial He's a great piñata as well. Yeah. Yeah Hit me again Yeah, sure. Hi LLD Congratulations on your retirement What's your thoughts on the slow drop of the 40 series NVIDIA cards? Been waiting months for laptops in Australia with a 4070 with no end in sight. Man, that's a good question.

Starting point is 00:55:14 I actually didn't know that there was a supply issue on 4070-based laptops. By slow drops, I kind of thought you meant maybe like the staggered rollout where they've launched the lineup sort of one card at a time. But that's pretty much par for the course for them because for NVIDIA, it's very beneficial to have people talking about them all the time. I mean, we found this on LTT Store. One of the best things that I can do to sell more water bottles is to talk about a cool new shirt design. So you guys go, oh, sick shirt. Hey, while I'm at it it i might as well throw a water

Starting point is 00:55:45 bottle in since i gotta pay the shipping fees anyway so sick um so that's that's that's nvidia for you right like if they launch a new gpu that's very competitive it creates a news cycle where everybody's talking about it and you know you're launching a 4070 ti but you know what i'm like i'm flush with cash i don't want a 4070 ti but if you make a good 40, 70 TI, I bet your 40, 90 is pretty good. And you go buy one of those, right? It's just beneficial for companies to, you know, they say there's no such thing as bad publicity, right? It's beneficial for them to be talked about constantly. So that's why you're going to see this slow roll. They kind of drag it out for as long as they can. And at every, at every stop, at every product, there's the announcement and at every stop at every product there's the announcement

Starting point is 00:56:25 and there's the unboxing embargo and there's the review embargo and then there's the announcement of a game bundle that we're doing and then there's the new feature that we've said we were going to do but now we have actually enabled so they try to keep this communication going constantly right so that would be why they do that as to why there are no 40 70 laptops in stock in australia i would say it's probably because australia is really far i was i was just gonna say i think that's probably more an australia specific issue yeah there are many of those yeah all right give me one more dan like internet with your stepping down will sponsorships be changing at all e.g vetting products and companies or discontinuing them in situations like Anchor?

Starting point is 00:57:06 I would expect not. Like I said, the... Well, okay, so here's something that not everyone, I think, fully understood, is the reporting structure between me and Taryn is kind of weird, right? So everybody on the pyramid on the in the organizational chart reports into the chief executive officer including the cto the cvo the c whatever oh all the all the c suites everyone below there ultimately reports to the ceo so i report to terran and he can tell me what to do day to day.

Starting point is 00:57:47 But, oh, go ahead. I see. I find this easier to understand because it's something I had to kind of wrap my head around to at one point as there being two Linuses. Sure. There's employee Linus and business owner Linus. Yes. So that's the thing, right? He's my boss and he can tell me what to do on a, in a, never mind a day, in a given week or a given month even.

Starting point is 00:58:08 But then the CEO works at the behest of the shareholders and the directors. So I am the principal shareholder, and I am one of only two directors of the company, the other being Yvonne. And so Taryn, when it comes to executing on our vision for the company, reports to us. So on the one hand, he's there as a check and balance to make sure that I am not screwing things up on a daily basis with respect to making sure that this place runs smoothly to kind of, you know, slap me if I am, if I am doing something that is, you know, really detrimental to one of the other departments, or, uh, if I am, you know, training people in a way that's incorrect or whatever else to help us, to help us operate better, but not just like chief operating officer, like to help us execute on bigger picture things than just what a COO would do.

Starting point is 00:59:08 So if he were to say like, look, I think our best use of our investment is going to be to start a system integrator, let's say, hypothetically. Chief vision officer, I want a plan for how we're going to differentiate how we're going to market this thing and what that's going to look like but then he would have to come to me above him and say i want to spend two million dollars starting in si here's the plan um and here's how we're going to market it which like i gave him so he gets to say he gets to present my presentation to me and then you get to pick yourself apart yeah

Starting point is 00:59:48 there's some weird loopiness yeah and i do think that this is going to work really well and the main reason for that is that you know i've worked with taran longer than i've worked with most of the people here and that's something that I feel there was a lot of anxiety about, even from members of our current executive team, because they didn't really, they didn't know him right to a lot of people. He was coming in as an outsider. There was a lot of anxiety,

Starting point is 01:00:19 but I think I've been doing some thinking on this as well. I think that was good. I think if we were just all like oh sure That would have been like kind of stupid Well, I would have I would have told you guys you're being idiots because that's not due to like it was right for us to Question it I Here's a bit of a curveball yeah, I mean not a super major one. I'm ready I In in like a weird way, and I don't know if you're ready for this or not.

Starting point is 01:00:48 I know you're bad with compliments. I'm proud of you for doing this. Oh. Um. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:00:57 I think we both have this kind of tendency to just like be down to just like carry things. And you've been carrying this for way too long. And I know you have a hard time letting go of things too. So I feel like this was probably very difficult. It's been a rough week. Yeah. Honestly, it's been a rough long time, which you know. honestly it's been a rough long time which you know um so like i'm i'm proud of you for actually being willing to do the thing that needed to be done to solve that problem i was forced because

Starting point is 01:01:35 that's tough okay not by a person but there are worse ways you could have dealt with that sure i don't know what i would have done if he hadn't taken the job though yeah because while i definitely wanted and i solicited feedback from our leadership team about this hire um i wasn't that open to alternatives that's a that's one way to put it there there was no option for alternatives well i mean i even told i even told taranis as part of the negotiation process he's like well what's your job offer and i'm like look i'm gonna do that complete like thing where i make you pitch me you you yeah you tell me yeah you know how i always i always do that i'm the worst right i'm gonna so you tell me and here's the thing either your pitch

Starting point is 01:02:33 is going to make sense and i'm going to say yeah you you are able to see the big picture even considering your own personal gain and do something that is balanced and right for both the company and yourself or you're going to pitch me something that sucks and i probably shouldn't hire you anyway those are the only two outcomes so no this is this is actually your first test yeah is to tell me what your compensation package should be like And like, why? And why? Yeah. Pitch it to me because your entire job is going to be pitching shareholder Linus on expenses and, and management and why what you're doing is in the best interest of the company. So prove it. And like, obviously, you know, his response, you f***ing, you know, guy, right? A little bit, but also I think he understood where I was coming from because if

Starting point is 01:03:25 we're going to have that level of trust and we're going to be able to communicate that openly it has to start from day one it can't it can't just be it can't just be random um and so the reason that i wasn't really that open to to and i and i told him too as part of this this very open communication i was like yeah i'm making you do this but the reality of it is i don't have any other candidates and i'm not really open to them so you have me over a barrel but let's see what you would do with that are you going to deal with this properly yeah yeah um and the reason that i wasn't really open to other options, even though like, obviously we could have posted a job listing. What?

Starting point is 01:04:08 I don't post on Indeed. You know, I'm hiring a CEO for a media company. So I don't know. But that wouldn't have changed my day to day. I wouldn't have been able to let go. I would have had to, I would have been looking over this CEO's shoulder because I don't know them. I don't have been able to let go. I would have been looking over this CEO's shoulder because I don't know them. I don't have that relationship.

Starting point is 01:04:30 And like I said earlier on the show, I'm pretty antisocial. I don't want more friends. I joke a lot about how I have no friends, but the reality of it is I actually don't want them. I'm tired. I don't like talking to people and so I would have to I'd have to like build

Starting point is 01:04:50 a relationship with this person build this rapport and try to achieve this like mind meld and it's so much easier to just hire someone who already is the person who trained me to be the business mind that I am, as it were.

Starting point is 01:05:09 And so I know would make the decision that I would, because the only reason I do what I do is because they told me to. I had a lot of people question, you know, why we didn't hire from within. why we didn't hire from within. And it's a really good question. I think that there's a lot of potential for people to be upset, both externally and internally. I'm pissed. We didn't even post,

Starting point is 01:05:36 we didn't even give anyone an opportunity to apply for the job internally. But, and I mean this in the kindest possible way nobody internally was even close to qualified sorry that just i'm sorry i don't think that's entirely those people's fault no it's not just i know i know you're not saying that i'm saying that for the audience to be super clear okay um yeah but that's totally true like where has their mentorship been we're a really young team too yes like we do not have people i'm the adult in the room what the f**k and when we're talking about like these situations where like oh you you don't necessarily realize you need to create a knowledge-based article for something

Starting point is 01:06:22 um and then you don't necessarily have the time to do it afterwards and stuff. Like we're coming from that and you're expecting this type of like, it's just, it hasn't been there. Yeah, it's tough. So we actually do post new positions internally under normal circumstances, but this was A, something that was,

Starting point is 01:06:42 you know, kind of a private matter for me in a certain sense. And B, something that, again you know, kind of a private matter for me in a certain sense. And B, something that, again, like no offense to anyone that just weren't right for the job. And I'd love, yeah. Jay Taylor said, I only feel like Luke wouldn't want to be the CEO. I could see myself being interested potentially at some point not now for a multitude of reasons one I feel like I have a lot of unfinished business with the teams that I currently run and by having that role change I would have to kind of like leave them which does not feel right

Starting point is 01:07:19 and two I'm not ready anyways you have a lot lot to learn. Yeah. I mean, it's always really funny for me when I hear my own words coming out of Luke's mouth, talking about like some strategy that he used to talk to his team or like. But like there's still a lot, like I understand because I'm not stupid, that there's a long road of that ahead of me still. So like. And the thing is that I'm not really qualified to take you down that road. That's a big part of this too, is I don't have that much real world work experience.

Starting point is 01:07:53 Like think about that. And we're, we're like, this is the one thing that like, I guess I'm still, I'll be uncomfortable about this for a while. And that's just going to be a reality is linus slash avon which i'm considering one unit or person right now that's how we see it yeah so that's fine um has been my direct report

Starting point is 01:08:14 for 12 years effectively my entire realistically professional life because everything before then was like temporary jobs if i'm being honest and so so like, that's going to be a big change. But I will also say now having spent time with Taryn, I'm interested. Yeah. And Yvonne and I have a lot to, we have a lot to give. We actually do have a lot to teach. She has management experience coming into this.

Starting point is 01:08:40 I have experience coming into this. And we've both learned a ton. Just school of hard knocks. Let's go making our way through the last 10 years. But there's actually ways to do things that you don't just make up as you go along and see what sticks. That's a lot of my stuff, too. So I feel like I might end up having a lot of growth from this. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:06 It's just going to be, it's a complicated situation. And I appreciate the fact that we did that executive retreat thing. Yeah. Because that, I had talked to him a few times. Obviously I met him at the roast. I had respect for him from like knowing him back in NCX days very lightly. I think I met him like twice and just have having you talk about him meeting him at the roast, all that kind of stuff. But

Starting point is 01:09:29 being able to spend an extended period of time of like two days or whatever, but still was, was reassuring because the things that I care about in a person in this type of role is like, I mean, he's a human, he's going to make mistakes at some point, but you could tell the way that he was approaching conversations and problems when we were at that retreat. And he's a human he's gonna make mistakes at some point but you could tell the way that he was approaching conversations and problems when we were at that retreat and he's probably watching this so this is awkward um but i could tell that in the case where he makes some form of mistake or someone else does that he seems significantly more invested in trying really hard and solving the problem than like crushing people or whatever else. He's very like game minded.

Starting point is 01:10:08 Yep. Like let's get this done. Let's do it in the best way. And to be clear, he'll tell you when you f*** up. Which is good. Yeah. Because I wouldn't work very well with him if he didn't. So like that's fine.

Starting point is 01:10:18 Yeah. One of my most vivid memories was when he told me off for like telling a vendor some kind of like super internal information just like in a casual conversation he's like you don't talk about that dude like it kind of ran me through terse is a word that i've used to describe taryn before hi taryn if you're watching um he's better about it now which is really good he was younger and fierier than we all were makes sense yeah yeah so it was definitely terse but i understood it and it was in the interest of the company doing better and me doing better yeah and you gotta you gotta respect that right yeah so i don't know i've got a couple good questions here that i've seen in the chat uh one is hey isn't that the guy who ran NCIX into the ground?

Starting point is 01:11:06 What are you doing hiring him? No. I've had that same comment. I've had to make the same clarification. Taron was my boss, but not the owner of NCIX. And actually, Taron was a big part of, if not the reason that I left. a big part of, if not the reason that I left when they, when, what they should have, what NCIX should have done, uh, well, man, how, how long ago was it? I guess, uh, about 12 years ago was they should have hired Taryn to be not, if not CEO, COO and given him the reins to run it.

Starting point is 01:11:41 That would have saved it a hundred percent. I really do believe that in my heart of hearts. Um, I had some ideas and all of that, but I was basically a kid at that point and I had good ideas, like ways that, that we could do better. Um, but I, I didn't, like, I wasn't an executive. I'm barely an executive now. I was certainly wasn't an executive then he had the stuff, he could have figured it out. And instead they pushed him out. And I was certainly wasn't an executive then he had the stuff he could have figured it out. And instead they pushed him out. And I was like, well,

Starting point is 01:12:08 this is ridiculous because now we've got like the inmates running the asylum essentially around here. None of the adults are left in the room. Um, it's time to start looking for the exit. Like it was very clear that the writing was on the wall. As soon as they, a,

Starting point is 01:12:23 uh, didn't recognize that they were in trouble and b couldn't hire the solution that already worked for them oh wow what is happening here um so so no that is not what happened and then another really good question that's coming up a fair bit is why not yvonne for ceo um a couple of reasons one it's that's that up a fair bit is why not Yvonne for CEO? Couple of reasons. One, that ain't her jam. I was gonna say she wouldn't want that. Yvonne, if she were to change titles from CFO,

Starting point is 01:12:54 would be the chief operating officer. Yvonne has such a mind for optimization. She is just the queen of efficiency. And aside from that, she really loves solving problems. And so operations would be something that she would totally just kick butt at. But the question is, does she want the job? And as shareholder, she basically gets to decide what job she does, sort of, but also doesn't because she's a shareholder and she just kind of needs to do whatever's right for the company. And both of us have done that for a long time.

Starting point is 01:13:29 And so while my transition is really public, she may go through a transition that will be probably less public, but equally helpful for her. I think it's been a long time doing something that she has realistically no actual passion actual passion for which is like financial stuff um so yeah yeah well that's the thing she can be good at anything she just needs to she just needs to decide she's good at it and it's like okay then like i can't do that i don't have that power like i'm i'm really good at some stuff way better than her at some stuff but she is way better than me at anything other than that's like a handful of stuff that i'm really good at some stuff way better than her at some stuff but she is way better than me at anything other than that's like a handful of stuff that i'm really good at it's kind of wild how she'll

Starting point is 01:14:11 just like i mean look at that stupid short circuit video she did on the cricket i gave her about 13 minutes of training in the car on the way to work and kind of helped her put together like a skeleton for you know what a script might look like and then she did the whole thing it's got like 1.4 million views or whatever she has she has almost no on camera experience her total on camera experience is like maybe a couple hours and like doesn't really like it as far as my understanding goes she doesn't mind it okay she gets like she doesn't like coming on land that's the only she gets kind of self-conscious about it sometimes i think but it's just like i i don't know i i tend to be kind of dismissive about it i'm like whatever you're like you're good at anything so what do you like don't i don't know. I tend to be kind of dismissive about it. I'm like, whatever.

Starting point is 01:14:47 You're good at anything, so what do you... I don't even want to hear it. It's like, oh, I got such a bad mark. It's like, that's way higher than my mark. It's typical. Didn't you fail out? I don't know how much that means. Okay, should we move on yeah we need to talk about a big ltt store thing here oh yeah yeah yeah yeah check this out check this out now oh yeah hold on for the sake of the integrity of our poll neither you nor i is going to is going to give any feedback on this one we'll see if the

Starting point is 01:15:28 poll works oh what our pool's broken uh yeah that might be oh crap we we know how to fix them i don't remember i don't think they're fixed okay we were a little bit more focused on the massive update okay do you want to try to create a pool i i i mean i can the the pull is just uh option one option two option three uh let's just okay yeah sure okay go for it good luck everybody we are finally ready to what is the question what one do you want uh yeah which Which one is best? Okay. Did it work? Yes. Well, okay.

Starting point is 01:16:10 That's not the part that's going to have a... Oh, okay. It's the speed at which people are voting. Oh, okay. And we know how to fix it. It's like not hard, but we've never had time. What? I'm not surprised. Guys, don't do that.

Starting point is 01:16:23 What are you doing? There's not that many votes. Okay. Well, let's not worry about that then. Okay. Yeah, but there's a lot more people not watching. There's a lot of people watching on Floatplane these days. Okay.

Starting point is 01:16:35 We're finally announcing it. The Noctua edition of the LTT screwdriver in tan and brown. This is option one. This is option two. And this is option one. This is option two. And this is option three. Okay, I don't want to bias you guys. And, Luke, I actually have a couple of the options. Here in the studio.

Starting point is 01:16:59 Here in the studio in person. You can check it out. Yeah, very, very very very excited for this this is going to be freaking awesome i mean it means a lot to me to collaborate with a company like noctua you know how their standards are if they're willing to if they're willing to um cross cross promote and and participate in something like this you you know they got to absolutely love the screwdriver. So have a look. Don't really give a ton of thoughts yet.

Starting point is 01:17:30 Dan, do you want to man the camera and we can kind of show these ones off after? I need to send a message. Oh, okay. Screw it. Yeah, okay. Okay, I took it and threw it on the ground. All right. Wow.

Starting point is 01:17:54 I'm just going to go ahead. I'm going to not show the results here. I'm going to go back to this. All right, so Luke, do you want to kind of show what you got there? Yeah, so both of these... So again, guys you want to kind of show what you got there? Yeah. So both of these. So again, guys, option one, option two, option three. I'm trying to find it. Okay.

Starting point is 01:18:16 So this one is the most unique one. Is that correct? The most unique one. Because there's, I believe this one has the same color, like, I don't remember the name of the selector ring and whatever you call this. I mean, I'm not sure what you mean by most unique one. That's called the end cap though.

Starting point is 01:18:37 Okay, so end cap selector ring, same color, handle, same color. And then the accent ring is, I believe. Is that in there? Yeah, that's in there it's matched to the body color okay so i was going to say this is the same but inverse as the other one and then this one doesn't have an inverse is that correct uh yeah that one follows the same kind of color scheme as the uh like the orange one would with the accent on the end cap and the accent on the accent ring don't don't give an opinion yet because i want i actually need you know true

Starting point is 01:19:06 results here okay well um wow what just we're gonna have to close the poll at some point and i was expecting it to be not this close okay don't spam in chat guys relax yeah guys chat does not is not where the polling happens the polling happens in the poll the poll yeah we're not looking at chat what are the option numbers again one two and three okay you're welcome i will show you again okay so one this one is one two and three this one is two and then the pictured one is three. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, you're holding three in your left hand. Yeah, and then this is two.

Starting point is 01:19:50 So one I don't have. Yeah, one you don't have. Okay, okay. I'm going to close the poll now. We are closing the polls. And let's see our... Yes. Yeah, see, that's the part. Oh, okay. Well, let's see our um yes yeah see that's the part oh okay well let's show the results then option one whoa wait oh it just changed option one and option three are a dead

Starting point is 01:20:18 heat 586 to 586 okay i don't know how to deal with okay it's finished now holy crap yeah it's finished for you I have never seen any poll this close for anything we've ever done option one won

Starting point is 01:20:39 but by only two votes literally .3% of the vote. Um, okay. Do we need to do a runoff then? We can. Does it happen to be that?

Starting point is 01:20:57 Okay. No, you know what? I think this, you know, I think this is enough information for us to go back to Noctua and kind of figure this out then. Um,

Starting point is 01:21:08 either way. Okay. What do you think now? Do you want me to show you all three again? Yeah. Okay. I will say I don't feel like super strongly about it. Really?

Starting point is 01:21:20 I think they're all pretty cool. Um, I think this one, so option two yeah and option not this one are probably my favorite option two and one i think it is are my two favorite got it yeah you know what's funny is i think this is one that i just completely didn't nail um i liked this one i like yeah i like that one or or option one personally i do have a do you think it's not white but do you think that color would it might show it might show stuff i just thought it looked way cooler um but people are more into the, they're more into the brown body on it.

Starting point is 01:22:06 Yeah. Like, all right. Okay. And you know what? I think I just, I think I just lost a, I think I just lost a bet because Noctua objected pretty strongly to this one. Is that, is that, is that the one that I didn't, I wasn't really watching the results much. Is that the one that lost?

Starting point is 01:22:21 This one lost, lost. And the other two um basically tied were functionally even yeah so i guess we'll see we'll have to work it out with not to a which version of this people are saying there was a thousand votes before we even showed the options do you want to rerun the poll do you want to rerun the poll with just two options um no i'm not too worried about it because when i looked earlier on before i actually showed the options the poll was uh fairly even and two was actually winning i think so yeah and then it kind of inverted so so if people threw away their vote they threw away their vote but like that's that's voting for you yeah that's kind of part of

Starting point is 01:23:01 the system oh eventually like when we can work on things that aren't incredibly important, I do want to have ranked choice voting. Yeah. I think that would be sick. Yeah, it'd be super cool. But not now. All right. So there you go, guys.

Starting point is 01:23:15 The Noctua screwdriver is officially announced. We are working with Noctua on what exactly the color scheme will be. That's the detail that we're kind of going back and forth on yeah it's not like actually viewer's choice like Noctua needs to have input and all this other kind of stuff they do need to have input uh I mean worst case scenario we just do a brown and tan screwdriver and they're not involved I guess yeah um I mean that's oops what oh it's gonna say that's what we're doing for some other stuff Oops What oh It's gonna say that's what we're doing for some other stuff. Oh, don't worry about it

Starting point is 01:23:59 I wonder how the new CEO is gonna treat leaks. Yeah Well, he won't be the first person to yell at me about the way that I just talk about stuff on WAN Show. Let's do a couple more topics. You want to pick one? Sure. Schools are struggling with AI as the academic year ends. American schools are approaching the end of a full semester with widespread access to AI chatbots. And AI-enabled cheating has been predictably rampant. chatbots and AI enabled cheating has been predictably rampant, especially now because a lot of schooling, a lot of your grades are kind of like end of term or semester weighted.

Starting point is 01:24:31 So it's going to be a big project, you know? Yeah. One big project, one big final stuff like that. It's unclear to what degree this is an actual increase in academic dishonesty because like are more people cheating or is it just more rampant for the people that are cheating or is it making a bigger impact or something like that um chegg a tutoring service widely criticized for allowing students to buy the answers to homework and also tests has told investors that chat gpt has likely damaged their ability to attract new customers the company has

Starting point is 01:25:06 since lost one billion dollars in market valuation this happened a while ago isn't it wild that like a test cheating company is worth any billion dollars like the fact that they could lose that much it's like whoa okay kind of nuts uh complicating matters how can students no seriously no no i want to come back Complicating matters. How can students... No, seriously. No, no. I want to come back to this for a second. How can students with the tuition they're paying afford cheating... Afford answer sheets? Or wait.

Starting point is 01:25:35 How can they afford not to cheat? Yeah, it might be more... They can't repeat this course. And it might be more time effective. Like if you just don't study but go to work. Right. Okay. All right.

Starting point is 01:25:45 Fair enough. I get it now. Complicating matters, plagiarism, and AI detectors are imperfect, and the growing number of different AI models has dramatically increased the number of false positives and also negatives. Less technically sophisticated educators are prone to accepting these results at face value, including... Is this on? Yes.

Starting point is 01:26:04 Okay. I'm happy this is in the doc. Infamously, a Texas college professor recently accused all of his students of using... I thought it was like half, but anyways, of using ChatGPT to write their essays, leading to over half of them being held back from graduation. The professor had not used an AI detection tool. back from graduation. The professor had not used an AI detection tool.

Starting point is 01:26:28 Instead, he ran the essay through ChatGPT, which claimed it had written them. AI hallucinations! Because it was just like, oh, that seems neat. Yeah, sure, write on. Sure, I wrote that. It's not designed for that at all. I did that.

Starting point is 01:26:44 While a 100% AI 100 ai generated essay is clearly cheating and i'm gonna paraphrase here for a second we've seen a bunch of examples of this of teachers showing uh like halfway through an essay it'll be like now i'm not entirely sure certain about this because i am an ai generated model blah blah blah and they catch people with that which is kind of hilarious um They don't even read it. That's awesome. Okay. Brutal.

Starting point is 01:27:07 While a 100% AI generated essay is clearly cheating, more nuanced uses of AI, like using a chat bot to help generate ideas and reword awkward sentences, can and sometimes do get flagged by anti-cheating software. The same may happen if a student simply writes in a highly predictable manner reminiscent of AI. Yes, Bruce A., I'm still happy with it. Don't worry about it. Sounds good.

Starting point is 01:27:33 There's a discussion question. Should schools be responding to AI? Also, why do porn bots still no good at the talk? Yeah, you noticed this have you been on youtube lately yeah you see them in the comment section no you can't see anything but pun intended them like honestly it's at the point now where again i am asking you once again youtube do something like okay if if if a handful of people that just have asses in their profile pictures but are real people end up getting shadow banned that's a price i'm willing to pay at this point because we cannot just have i i i sent my i sent my youtube rep just like a screen recording of scrolling through the comments on one of our videos and literally 90% of the top comments within

Starting point is 01:28:28 like an hour after it had been released were these like, come have tap to have sex with me, like porn bots. And I'm sitting here going, these are, these are very easy to identify. I haven't seen any of the WhatsApp scammers anymore. No,

Starting point is 01:28:43 they've, they've just shifted. I haven't seen any of the WhatsApp scammers anymore. No, they've shifted. So clearly, YouTube has the capability to ban every possible iteration of WhatsApp from usernames. So do the same thing. Why does anyone need a luscious ass in their profile picture? It's not necessary.

Starting point is 01:29:09 What if they're a hot tub YouTuber? What if that's literally part of their brand? Then they'll be verified. There, done. Okay. Or they can apply for an exception. I don't care. Figure it out.

Starting point is 01:29:22 Figure it out. There should be a way to apply for this. And figuring it out needs to involve just getting rid of this. If you have to overcorrect, overcorrect. It's ridiculous. Why do you have to use the word luscious? I thought it was good. I thought it was funny. And like.

Starting point is 01:29:40 Yeah. It's bad though. And they sometimes, I will say uh they they and this should potentially even be easier to detect but i guess there'd be a lot of false positives here as well uh but they'll they'll copy other people's comments and just post the same thing yeah yeah i've seen that a lot that's pretty common yep yeah it's super like to me the biggest thing is just like and i understand this is easier to do with human eyes and comprehension, but we'll see how long that lasts. You scroll through and you see the usernames.

Starting point is 01:30:11 And it's just, like, this is so obvious. And, like, the fact that it will take many months to, like, pattern detect this stuff is just, like, what? Like, the WhatsApp ones, like, come on. Didn't Theo Joe make something for that yeah whatsapp one yeah like better than youtube's this shouldn't take community efforts to solve this stuff like man i don't know and it's frustrating because like on the one hand you've got google doing you know their google i o keynote all about yeah ai this and machine learning that and use it yeah turn it on yeah why why can i still like this this is why this is why you're you don't call hoffman wong

Starting point is 01:30:52 sorry who do you want to call hoffman wong sorry i'm not finding a match in your contacts tell me just the first name or feel free to use the screen Feel free to use the f***ing screen. That's not a solution! This is this is the same- I've been ragging on Google for a while for like It's literally yeah It's literally it's just Hoffman Wong It's not like he nicknamed it or anything like that. It's just...

Starting point is 01:31:27 Hoffman has two Ns in his name. Exactly that. Which is a legitimate spelling of Hoffman. Yeah. And it's like, I don't know, I can't do this. I'm sorry, I don't have a number for Yvonne Home. I understand you absolutely shouldn't have to do this,

Starting point is 01:31:44 so I'm not using it to, I'm not saying this to defend it one thing I've done call James Strive sorry who do you want to call James Strive sorry no one in your contact sorry I'm not finding a match in your contacts tell me just the first name or feel free to use the screen feel free to use this how about this how about i only have one james in my address book call that one i i nickname i put people's like a an identifiable nickname that i will remember as people's first names and then their first name is their middle name and their last name is their last name.

Starting point is 01:32:27 That's a stupid workaround that I shouldn't need. The year is now present year and that should be entirely unnecessary. Absolutely. It should have phonetic, whatever cashed of everyone in my address book and it should just use that because Holy shit. How is it not already doing that? Yep.

Starting point is 01:32:47 And so I don't even remember the other thing we were talking about that they were useless at. I was just saying, like, in general, like, the fact that they haven't applied this stuff to deal with comment moderation. Oh, yeah, comment moderation. That was the one. That, like, whole core concept, the fact that they haven't done that,

Starting point is 01:33:05 you can extrapolate that into entirely why they're losing ground on everything that they do. They're just not shipping. They're not acting. They're just sitting. It doesn't work. It's frustrating. People are going to come steal your lunch.

Starting point is 01:33:23 Anyways, moving on. Imgur? Imigur? Imgur, I think on imgur imgur imgur i think i'd imgur imgur uh gif gif i feel like it's one of those things last month however you say it announced a ban on nudity and sexual explicit content as well as old unused or inactive content that is not tied to a user account also known as a bunch of things from linus the the changes took place on may 15th time it was not one time it was not one time three times maybe more i used to use uh share x or what was the one i used before that it was a similar tool push i think it was yeah push push super cool anyway uh share x was the one where i started uploading to imgur i think but i i used to use share x to just anonymously upload anything that

Starting point is 01:34:09 i would screenshot only if i screenshotted it with share x like explicitly um and then i would just get it would just automatically take the the the link to the file you copied and put it on your clipboard so you could just quickly send things to people. And one time, I send Luke confidential information in an image thing, and he freaks out. I'm like, without the context, no one's even going to know how important that is.

Starting point is 01:34:35 It doesn't matter. It shouldn't work that way. It shouldn't work that way. Anyway, so anything that someone like me ever uploaded, yes, carry on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The changes of this stuff took place on May 15th, but it will likely take some time before all the images are deleted.

Starting point is 01:34:51 The purge of old and anonymous content is likely to destroy countless images embedded on other sites across the internet, including Reddit, where hosting on Imgur was the standard method of posting images from 2009 to 2016. That is true. Another thing it's probably going to ravage is the count to 10,000 thread on imager uh was the standard method of posting images from 2009 2016 that is true another thing it's probably going to uh ravage is the count to 10 000 thread in the bronze section on the forum which is sad oh yeah because there's tons of imager embedded images there yeah that's a bummer that actually kind of sucks because it's kind of funny to go yeah broken broken image links

Starting point is 01:35:21 in forums and stuff photo bucket you see just see just like the skeletons of old photo bucket. And it's like, man, this would have been a really cool thing to actually be able to go through and read. It's almost like this isn't a viable business model and you're an idiot for doing it. Thanks, VCs. I mean, when they take big money from ad providers to put malvertising ads on their site, which they've done like a bunch of times at this point, maybe they do make some money, but I don't know. They do show like if you see some picture or GIF or whatever, there's a way on Imgur to see how much like how much data it has taken to serve this image. And some of them are like, whoa. this image and some of them are like whoa like it's a gif that's been like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of gigs worth of data transfer for this one gif it's like yep that's rough uh the

Starting point is 01:36:14 administrators of something awful forum have taken on a more selective effort to back up every image or link embedded onto the forum during the last 14 years. Wow. I don't think we're going to do that. Yep. Shawty not. The forum's owner, who goes by Jeffrey, has stated, It's clear we need to host our own images. Websites promising that they'll host your images for free are never going to stop running out of money.

Starting point is 01:36:41 It's nearly impossible to monetize a site like that. A good deal of the modern internet is treated as transient and okay to delete whenever and that is a real shame if anyone is to ever look back on our society they won't be able to understand it without understanding the internet i'm yeah that's going to be true regardless notably the something, the Something Awful Forum has paid membership and more resources than many other websites. That makes sense. How do we retain the popular history of the internet? Are we doing enough?

Starting point is 01:37:11 I don't think we can. Maybe some of it should just die. Interesting. Well, that's a hot take. Wow. Do go on. I don't think that everything, matter what is worth saving i do think a massive volume of stuff is worth saving a huge percentage but there is a bunch of like

Starting point is 01:37:35 just transient stuff on the internet that does not need to be safe we don't have to save every single thing that ever happens in the digital world but are we gonna lose the stuff that was important and end up keeping garbage that's that's a concern yeah that's a big concern that is a big concern oh that's rough yeah it's hard to say because like we were like we were talking with those photo bucket links right yeah? Yeah. Like there's old threads, which like it actually has pained me to come across them and be like, man, like this was a big deal.

Starting point is 01:38:14 I've probably been to this thread like a ton of times. Yeah. And now these photos just timed out and this is basically useless. And now that we don't actually write anything down physically, you know, let's say you were trying to do, let's say you were trying to overclock an old Celeron 300A and all the images for which pins to jump or on the motherboard or whatever were on photo bucket. Or a non-account imager say, right?

Starting point is 01:38:40 Cause that would be happening now. You'd lose that. That's brutal. Like there is, I'm not saying there isn't stuff that's worth saving. There's you'd lose that that's brutal like there is i'm not saying there isn't stuff that's worth saving there's obviously oceans of stuff that's worth saving yeah there's also a lot of but like repair repair guides and stuff didn't used to be video and there might be like you're talking with the old seller on it there there might be old repair guides that like it's for something that very rarely breaks, but you can't get new ones.

Starting point is 01:39:05 Or for something that's rare and very few people know how to deal with it. And there was that one resource that everyone leaned on in order to calibrate that CRT or whatever it is, right? Because for every forum thread that you find when digging for something old, where someone's like, oh, I'm having issues with these things.

Starting point is 01:39:23 And then no one responds and they just reply, oh, I fixed it. fixed it and it's like oh man why don't you tell me how um there's there's a bunch of other ones where they do and losing that because a ton of that information is in pictures you're talking about like bios screenshots whatever else it could be there's there's lots of pictures on the internet there's tons there's tons of useful ones thank god we're still gonna have tiktok as long as we don't live in minnesota or whichever state uh bandit or something happy wag so this would be a good reason to fund libraries well there is so i i do agree and there's libraries are one of the libraries libraries are one of those things that are just kind of constantly changing, constantly evolving. And this might be one of the ways that they do that.

Starting point is 01:40:12 Yeah, unfortunately, the way they're evolving right now is not getting funded. So that's probably not going to happen. Caltern in floatplane chat. Sorry? Montana. Is that right? I don't know. It was someone.

Starting point is 01:40:24 Caltern says, convert the moon into a huge cloud server. The zero atmosphere would be excellent for cooling, and there'd be plenty of room for all that data. Problem solved. Okay. There's a few issues with your suggestion. Number one. Okay.

Starting point is 01:40:38 Getting servers there. Very challenging. The moon is actually above the cloud. Number two. Zero atmosphere is actually not good for cooling the the air is what takes the heat away um problem number three plenty of room actually you're right there is plenty of there's a lot of room. Yep. If you don't mind your server getting hit by like little asteroids and stuff. Yeah. So solid effort, Caltern.

Starting point is 01:41:12 And well, not just that, right? Without an atmosphere, there's a lot more radiation from the sun. Which is really, really handy if you don't like having your data. Yeah. Because that radiation is just going to start flipping bits all over the place. Yeah, so what we could do I guess is Yeah, no, no well would have to be a mobile data center It would have to be on like treads so that it could stay like on the dark side Oh, there's still there's still a lot of this like passive radiation. Yeah

Starting point is 01:41:43 No, no we're doing this. We put train tracks on the moon and it just constantly It just constantly rotates. We snow piercer the servers Amazing okay floatplane chat actually has this solved we just put it underground on the moon All right good call good call perfect good call we do we do all the cooling geothermally we can dig with nukes right we can nuke the moon is that what we're saying i don't think that's a good idea this is a reference to elon musk wanting to nuke mars for terraforming we need to nuke everything we need to we need to nuke mars we need to nuke everything. We need to nuke Mars.

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Starting point is 01:45:22 yes merch messages no wait what He's moving all the signs around. Dan, Dan, what are you doing over there? You didn't listen to the piece of paper. Okay, we'll do it. We'll talk about that later. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's okay. I can follow you. Hit me with a merch message. Okay.

Starting point is 01:45:39 Sure. Floatplane chat's still talking about the stupid moon thing. They really are. I still think we should Snowpiercer the servers. Good evening, LLND. I've been watching... We can power the servers with nukes. Can you stop?

Starting point is 01:45:55 Can you stop? Good evening, LLND. You stop. And... I've been wanting to nuke the moon for the last... You guys stop. I'm not supposed to show that dashboard. It does it every time.

Starting point is 01:46:09 I've been watching on Flow Play now. I was wondering if it mattered if I finish a video or use the like option, you still use the data for getting sponsors, etc. Nope. Nope. We sure don't. It doesn't matter. We suck at, no offense, you suck at collecting data from viewership. So the good news is that we aren't leveraging it in any way.

Starting point is 01:46:32 Yeah. If you were worried that we're selling your data, you can rest assured. Nope. We are too utterly f***ing incompetent to do that. Took the words out of my mouth. Rough. Rough. Rough.

Starting point is 01:46:44 I'm kidding. A new CEO, the chief vision officer just brutalized me. He could have... Okay, never mind. It has not been a priority. Linus has asked for it for a bunch of times and I just said no. There's more important things for us to work on. It's true.

Starting point is 01:47:04 It's true, actually's there's certain amounts of that data where if you like actually wanted it we could get it for you and it's like never been even worth going and grabbing yeah it's like i don't know usually i the way our conversations often go about things like this is i'll i'll come up with something i'll be like oh hey could we is there any way for us to take you know everyone who's posted about their ltt merch on the forum and send them a a coupon code for a month free of floatplane and luke will be like uh technically do that but and just by his tone i'll be like forget it i'm over it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:50 Or he'll tell me, oh, no, one of his favorites is to tell me what project will be delayed by it. Yeah. Well, if you don't want, you know, playback resume on the float plane site, then, yeah, we could have that for you in X amount of time. I'm like, I'm over it. That's like my favorite thing to say. I'm over it. I'm clearly not over it because I'm bringing it up now not that that that is a new idea i'd never had that idea that's a pretty good idea though it's not a bad one but i mean like you just said it would it would delay some other form i'm over it yeah and like yeah it is possible there's

Starting point is 01:48:22 there's there's a very very very large amount of things that are possible when you have a bunch of developers and engineers on your side yeah it's just like is it actually worth doing and are you considering the opportunity cost right yeah look at this guy all responsible opportunity cost all right here's another one. So which came first, Linus planning on stepping down as CEO or Luke getting promoted to CTO, or were they basically concurrent? No.

Starting point is 01:48:56 Well, don't forget, hold on, we've got the timeline a little mixed up. First Luke was demoted from CEO. Then he was repromoted to CEO. Or hired as CEO. CEO. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. And actually, it's like only even sort of true because neither time was it actually real. I mean, yeah, I guess that's true.

Starting point is 01:49:20 So he got the CTO title. So he was hired as CTO. Then he was fired as CTO, hired to a different company as the CTO. COO. COO. Then hired back to Linus Media Group as the CTO. It doesn't matter. The point is he's Luke.

Starting point is 01:49:34 Yeah. He wears this shirt. I just do stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I like your shirt. Thanks. What time is it?

Starting point is 01:49:45 Is it getting... Is it getting to giddy hour? I think so. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah. It's 840. That makes more sense. Next merch message.

Starting point is 01:49:53 What is this? Why can't I get rid of it? Sure. Windows. What are you doing? I don't know. I'll give it to Dan. See you later, Dan.

Starting point is 01:49:58 Bye. Oh, sorry. Come back, Dan. No. Linus, are you anticipating... Oh, no. Dan's gone. Linus, are you...

Starting point is 01:50:04 Oh, he's gone. Anticipating any potential... I hate it here. This is so much fun. Okay, we're... Being professional is hard. Are you anticipating... It's best to be here in the porn industry.

Starting point is 01:50:30 That's even more important, Linus. I should have waited for him to take the drink. Why did I wait? That's going away for now. I think this is a dangerous time. Okay, I can't do this. Linus, are you anticipating any potential turnover? Hope not.

Starting point is 01:50:50 As a result of the CEO change, can you give a scenario or explain when you or Yvonne would override a decision by the new CEO? Oh, wow. You're getting into the big CEO Q&A. Okay. I am planning a float plane stream about this sometime in the next little bit. So I'm not going to avoid every question about this, but I'm also not going to be able to address every question you guys have about this now, because I kind of want to be in the right headspace for that. But I will tell you that I am not expecting really any turnover.

Starting point is 01:51:21 Honestly, the reception to the move internally has been really positive i think the people that know me well uh probably knew that whether this was coming or not i needed this at some point um and the people who didn't know me well what difference does it make i don't know well and there's also like i think a lot of people especially internally recognize that uh people only have a certain amount of hours in a day and having you do the thing that you're best at probably makes sense like it's pretty logical when you break it down yeah i think so i don't know sure i lost count yeah we got a lot. How are you doing over there? It's fine.

Starting point is 01:52:07 We are not going to be able to do them all today, guys. Absolutely not. I'm so sorry. Feel free to keep picking up lab shirts because those are freaking awesome. Oh, my God. Don't forget to get a water bottle while you're at it. Oh, man, I should leak an upcoming water bottle design. I feel like that might be under the, the, the vision,

Starting point is 01:52:25 you know? Yeah. I had a vision of a water bottle. Yep. Um, so it's, it's just like brown or black, I think are the two colors.

Starting point is 01:52:39 And it just has like a white stripe down the side with like the V's or the O's or whatever. And it's a big capacitor. Oh my God. I would buy that immediately. That is excellent. That's kind of sick. 10 out of 10. Yeah. Could you...

Starting point is 01:52:48 Vision officer! Sweeping changes. I'm so excited. So sweeping changes is the new waterfall design? I would love one that had, like, the bottom blown out, and so it didn't, like, sit on the table, like it's a burst cap. Oh.

Starting point is 01:53:07 I mean, okay, you could just do that yourself though all right yeah yeah or or or you could not screw the lid on properly and then it's a leaky cap perfect idea get it because it's a leaky cap too man so many meanings. Dad joke king! Inception of water ball over here. Alright. Okay, here's another one. Oh man, float plane chat. No, no, no, you should put Gatorade in it. Then it's electrolytic capacitor. Yay!

Starting point is 01:53:38 If you put tinfoil in it, it's a foil capacitor. Wow. Endless. Okay. Hey LDL, given the cards like the 3090 and 4090 exist with more V... Hold on, I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. Everything Dan said, no cap. Oh, that one hurts. Right in the stomach. We can actually do another one now. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:54:15 Given the cards like the 3090 and 4090 exist with more VRAM than most systems have DRAM, is it possible to run an OS on a GPU? To my knowledge, no. However, with that said, I mean, if you... Okay, hold on a second. Something, something, rebar, direct storage, something. I actually don't think so, though. I mean, nothing would prevent you from using... Someone in Flowplane Chat is very passionate about saying that it is.

Starting point is 01:54:42 That it is possible? And they have a link. And they're spamming the link. Okay. All right, let's see. Linux in a pixel shader. A RISC-V emulator for VRChat. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:54:57 Shader tech is nuts. It's just nuts. Whoa. Okay. Fine. nuts whoa okay fine apparently yes i i just want to say that catra the person who posted this was on it like i i don't know this this must have been like literally the tab that they had open at the time. Like I feel like we were on a side monitor and they were reading this because they were like, it is, it's possible, and then the link's there.

Starting point is 01:55:31 All like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That was wild. Thank you for the speedy response. Okay. Enderman apparently managed to get Windows 10 in VRAM and used it as a boot disk. That's not really the same as like running it as your system memory though. So I don't know.

Starting point is 01:55:51 Okay, all right, good job. That was impressive. Are we supposed to do more topics now? I, yeah, I think so. Okay, Google, new.zip and.mlv domain extensions. Google released eight new internet domain extensions. Most have been uncontroversial, but two are being criticized for their similarity to existing file extensions,.zip and.mov, in case you were wondering which ones they were. The concern is that users, especially less technically savvy users, may be maliciously tricked into clicking on a web link they think

Starting point is 01:56:25 is a file and vice versa i think even fairly technically savvy people are going to get owned by this because like unless you read the whole domain it's not necessarily all that obvious i think google's justification for this tld is phenomenally stupid what is it i'm trying to find it um because like this is going to be a problem 100 dot mov um i'm having a hard time finding it it's not in our it's not in our links here man how are you even gonna like look at this how are you even gonna search for anything google.mov justification what like what even is any of this this is nothing this is ridiculous yeah if anyone has a link that talks about it was something to do with like dot mov was supposed to be for like like the moving moving pictures or movement and dynamism or something like that it was just it was just stupid and i just couldn't

Starting point is 01:57:31 uh i'm trying to find the like i'm trying to find the example because it's not just there it is boom okay uh my laptop do it here we go this is the issue so you see github.com right so most people uh most current internet users are going to read this and be like okay this is the website that i'm going to it's github.com and then these are the pages that it's jumping through, right? So the.zip at the end here, traditionally, would just be a file, right? So theoretically, you jumped through these various pages, and then you clicked on a file, and you could share this link to someone. And if they clicked on the link, it would just download it. It wouldn't actually direct them to the page, right?

Starting point is 01:58:30 That's how things have worked for a long time the problem is now because of this at character as far as my understanding goes and someone might um correct me on this but because of that little i've highlighted it here yeah because of that little character that means what you're actually going to you're actually going to is just this oh so you're going to one dot zip uh-oh yeah get wrecked big oh so like i haven't seen things like this personally but like that's that's that's rough now that so like you everyone's gonna have to like sniff their freaking urls for this little at symbol and like that's that this is why i'm saying like the whole technically savvy thing doesn't even really fully apply because i don't know pretty much anyone that looks for that right now so unless you're you'd have to be technically savvy and also paying attention to the news which doesn't necessarily coincide with each now do you want to hear why they did it according to ars technica sure google

Starting point is 01:59:31 marketers say the aim is to designate tying things together or moving really fast and moving pictures and whatever moves you respectively for dot zip and dot it's frustrating because that is stupid i go after Google on this show for just not doing things but then the second that they do something I'm always just like how did no one look at this? Like it's either they move like

Starting point is 01:59:56 no one saw this and we did it or they never do anything. Like there has to be an in-between. How did no one see this as a problem? You can't just release.zip domains. Like, gah. I don't...

Starting point is 02:00:12 This is so frustrating, because, like, I can absolutely see someone at this company getting tricked by this. And then, like, it would be really hard to... The dumbest part is that they know, obviously, about the association. Why would anyone, other than a highly technical person, think.zip has anything to do with togethering anything? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:42 And.mov, really? Moving pictures? Is this just an FU to Apple? and.mov really moving pictures is this just an F you to Apple like what was the point of this really okay I don't really have anything else to say about that.

Starting point is 02:01:07 Really? Okay. Yeah. And like, I need to read on this more and I'm sure there's some like weird nuances and stuff, but people are going to get owned. This is going to be a problem. This is going to be a cybersecurity problem. A bunch of different IT teams around the world are going to have to educate their users on checking for at symbols because like it means something about.

Starting point is 02:01:29 Some URLs are so long, it's not even practical, especially with the way that browsers abstract the URL these days. And trackers and all this other type of stuff. And you're going to have to hunt for this little at symbol because. And you'll have to hunt for it in like a mouse over like like a pop-up, hyperlink, freaking, what are they called? Tooltip. You'll have to hunt for it in like a tooltip or something because the text doesn't necessarily match the hyperlink. Remember the old days of the web? Just block that domain.

Starting point is 02:01:54 Yeah, honestly, I bet you a massive amount of companies are just going to block these domains anyways, which means they're going to be stupid and useless. Sorry. Yeah, we should just do that. Yeah, we definitely will. Yeah, I was going to say the old days of the web before you actually had hyperlinks. Dan, schedule me a message. What you need? I need, we need to block.zip and.mov

Starting point is 02:02:11 from ever being accessed. Like it was, maybe it was possible, I don't know, I was a kid, but pretty much any link was the actual like full URL. You didn't just have hyperlinks so that you would click on like some other text or whatever yeah like so this I guess might be this would have been fine maybe then

Starting point is 02:02:30 when it was normal for browsers to display full URLs and for the text to contain a full URL honestly training everyone to look for those ad symbols is weird because like and as far as I know that that's already been a thing because it means what's before the ad symbol is your username.

Starting point is 02:02:46 But I do think that if people saw.zip at the end of it and they weren't expecting to be downloading a file, that would be something that they would sniff out easier. And because the.zip is at the very end, you look at like the beginning and you look at the end and you kind of know what's going on now being able to just slap this at symbol somewhere in the chain yeah and then it's like oh man yeah i hate it all right let's jump into toyota exposing real-time location data of 2 million drivers. 2 million drivers.

Starting point is 02:03:29 Toyota has disclosed that it accidentally left the real-time and historical car location data of over 2 million Japanese customers exposed for, get this, nearly 10 years. According to Toyota, the cause was a misconfigured database in late 2013 which was set to public instead of private and it could be accessed without any password or credentials there is no current evidence that anyone outside toyota discovered and accessed the database that is completely meaningless unless they have like logs running and stuff which they might not because apparently they set their database to yeah public anyway so yeah that's a very interesting way of saying that

Starting point is 02:04:12 i mean no it's it's not completely meaningless if if the data showed up on the dark web or something that would be evidence that someone accessed it. If they looked for it. Well. That's my issue with this statement, is it completely relies on them doing something. I think a leak this big would have. Someone else would be talking about it. I think someone else would have talked about it.

Starting point is 02:04:36 They may actually have dodged a bullet here. Boy, was it a big bullet, though. That's not even a bullet anymore. That's like, that's a planet. Yeah, a nuke. You and your nukes. You know what? Forget it.

Starting point is 02:04:50 I'm tired. I resign as CEO. Toyota discovered the error in April and has promised to audit and improve their cloud security. This is the third security mishap they've disclosed in the last 15 months. Things happen, but that's a pretty bad thing to happen. A watchdog says that Roblox doesn't protect kids from irresponsible... Really?

Starting point is 02:05:16 Roblox doesn't protect kids from irresponsible advertising? I thought Roblox had kids' best interests at heart. This is like those scientific studies you find when they're like, we have found through rigorous study and years of research that not going running makes it so that you will run slower over time. It's like, oh, thanks. It's like, come on. Jeez.

Starting point is 02:05:41 This feels like one of those. That's actually a lie. Over a long enough period of time, you will definitely run infinitely slower. Yeah. Oh, boy. But yeah, I can't imagine that anyone was like, ah, yes, I believe Roblox is the absolute best arbiter

Starting point is 02:06:03 of not exposing children to bad things um like like what was it got people confused about that because over a long enough period of time eventually you'll be dead and you're running speed will go to zero yeah yeah um there was something about like kim kardashian finding that that special video of hers her her kid like saw it on roblox or something i don't remember if that's like 100 true or not but i remember reading something about that um which is rough um karu karu c-a-r-u a children's advertising watchdog has released the results of an investigation that found roblox has widespread issues with advertising targeted at children under 13 according to karu which i'm going to call it now i don't know if results of an investigation that found Roblox has widespread issues with advertising targeted

Starting point is 02:06:45 at children under 13. According to Karu, which I'm going to call it now, I don't know if that's what it is, Roblox does little to ensure that influencers on its platform disclose product endorsements and affiliate commissions in a way that children can actually understand. I mean, I can tell you right now, based on the limited understanding that adults have of sponsorships and affiliate and how all these things work kids almost certainly have absolutely no idea that they're being marketed to yeah further roblox's user-created games often fail to disclose advertiser content this is not the first time roblox has been criticized over its permissive

Starting point is 02:07:23 attitude towards ads targeting children a different watch watchdog, Truth in Advertising, made a complaint to the FTC over the same issue in April 2022. Parents, groups, and investigative journalists have likewise criticized Roblox as a haven for phishing scams and other financial crimes targeting kids. Again, a lot of them have credit cards attached. There are payments in the game. You can buy Robux or whatever they're called in response to the ftc complaint roblox has recently announced a new advertisement policy which will require developers to identify advertiser content in games directed at children the company has likewise agreed to karu's carus whatever recommendation that they require influencers to use the word paid in ad disclosures.

Starting point is 02:08:10 Certain ages of kids that play Roblox. Yeah, I can't even read. And I don't think paid is actually necessarily the best ad disclosure. Why not ad or why not sponsored? That's what literally everyone else uses. Like is paid a common hashtag for sponsored content am i missing something here whoa six of three in floatplane chat says i have a friend whose kid has a 100 per month roblox

Starting point is 02:08:39 allowance why that sounds like a mistake i'm not gonna tell you how to parent your kid i don't even have one but that sounds like a mistake yeah it sounds like training them to have bad habits like actively okay devil's advocate they're budgeting at least it's a fixed budget but it's a fixed budget of a lot. Of blowing a lot of fixed budget on Roblox. Yeah, I don't really like that so much. Yeah. Everything I hear about Roblox is just, like, bad. hear about roblox is just like bad like i you hear you hear about like the massive take they have from their their uh content designers slash developers because there's people that like

Starting point is 02:09:33 make games and roblox but there's also people that make um like visual equipment i don't know what you'd call it avatar stuff cosmetics cosmetics there we go got there got there eventually yeah yeah yeah um so i yeah i don't know a hundred dollars of robux is a lot of robux yeah that that's the thing that's getting me is like maybe if it was like a relative maybe if it was at an amount where they might have to save up for things yeah that's probably the but i could play i can like i'm sure there's some stupid one of three rare hat or something that's way more than a hundred dollars but like i can't imagine there's a lot that they actually have to save for when their allowance is more than like i spent on games a month like yeah and like luke wastes money on games He bought this stupid f***ing game, Slapshot Rebound, the other day.

Starting point is 02:10:27 Is it free? It's a free game. We were actually looking at a different hockey game and picked the free one. Yeah. It's pretty fun. It is actually pretty fun. It's very hard. We're both terrible.

Starting point is 02:10:38 Yeah. It's really, really hard. Man, we've actually played a few hours of of slap shot rebound in the last like few days I kind of wish we had footage of when we started compared to now because I've seen both of us do like actual combinations and like plays and stuff now at the beginning Slide towards the puck and rotate the wrong way every single time all this garbage Yeah, because no idea how expensive things are in robux that is true because i have never played and i deeply don't care or want even to know but

Starting point is 02:11:12 you don't need to buy those like i don't know come on yeah just because something is there doesn't mean it needs to be purchased. Yeah. Our discussion here is, to what extent is the cavalier attitude towards advertising to children unique to Roblox? I don't even think it is. Like, I think we had this conversation a little while ago where I was talking about taking my kids to the arcade

Starting point is 02:11:38 and just realizing how much gambling conditioning was going on, just training these kids to put thing into thing and big flashy lights come out and they get a prize that's worth a fraction of the money that they put in. Mark Rober did a really great video on how games of skill at arcades, just like on the Carnival Midway, are not actually games of skill at all

Starting point is 02:12:02 and are just completely games of chance and designed to steal your money it is it is amazing to me that that is allowed to exist it is actual children doing actual gambling yeah i we talked about this on wancho too before about how like sports betting is such an endorsed thing now where it was like a hush don't talk about it yeah when i was growing up and now it's like the main advertisers for these places at all um and it's it's kind of weird driving around here even and just like the casinos just seem to be getting bigger uh Kryptonite says it's not gambling if the game is rigged. No, it is gambling if the game is rigged.

Starting point is 02:12:48 At least if it's a game of skill, it's not a gamble. Almost every way to gamble is rigged. Well, it's not always rigged. Oh, okay, okay. But the scales are definitely leaned on. What is the definition house rigged okay okay but the scales are definitely leaned on what is the definition of rigged so like you are to lose without expecting you are to lose rigged means that no matter what you do the outcome is ultimately up to the machine so something like a slot machine is rigged it will only ever pay out based on profit margins,

Starting point is 02:13:29 what it's supposed to do. But like roulette, there's too much chance involved. So even though the house is going to win over time. The odds favor the house, but there's actual odds. Whereas the fact that anybody puts money into a digital slot machine, at least if it was a mechanical, like an analog slot machine, you know why they want digital slot machines, guys? Hello!

Starting point is 02:13:53 Easier to control the outcome. Hello! But an actual... They still, to be clear, with mechanical ones, they still control the outcome. Yes, but it can at least... It's a lot easier when it's digital. Yes.

Starting point is 02:14:06 So the example, the one that i watched uh he proved that that one where the light goes around the thing and you have to press the button oh it's not a game of skill you can actually change the programming in the game he found the manual he dug up the manual somewhere and you can just dial in how much you want it to pay out in tickets that's annoying yeah because i always felt like no i was pretty sure i got it and so he made a thing that within 0.01 milliseconds or within one millisecond would press it at exactly the right time he made a robot and it would just it would just make it go past yeah it was like no more accurate than if they just hit it themselves because at the end of the day, it was not about how accurate you were.

Starting point is 02:14:45 It was just about how much it wants to pay out. That's so frustrating. Yeah. Someone says slot machines apparently have payout requirements and are in fact random. So great. Why aren't we regulating children's games the same way? It's wild to me. Also, man, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:15:04 I don't know i don't know with how with how much skis there is in the in the casino industry i'll believe it when i see it i'll believe that i'll believe that a slot machine is actually working exactly as it's supposed to be i'll believe whoever was supposed to check it didn't get a payout for sure when i see it i don't know man i just i'm not much of a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist kind of person in general but when there's that much money moving around i'm sorry i'm just not going to put my money in the slot machine it's not going to happen yep it's so boring too i don't understand that's that's like a

Starting point is 02:15:47 preferential thing i guess but like wow yeah if you want to throw throw away money to like see flashing lights and stuff just play peggle yeah um valve finally big enough to be sued by immersion immersion corporation has launched a patent lawsuit against valve over the steam decks touchscreen and rumble feature immersion began developing touchscreen and haptic feedback technology in the 90s, but since the 2000s has primarily become known for its many lawsuits. In 2002, Microsoft opted to buy 10% of Immersion rather than fight their suit, while Sony had to pay Immersion millions after losing a suit over the vibration feature of their controllers. Apple, Google, Motorola, and Fitbit have all settled with Immersion, while Meta is currently

Starting point is 02:16:27 in litigation. The Steam Deck, notably, doesn't use the same rumble technology that Sony lost over, ERM actuators. One of the few major gaming companies that hasn't been sued by Immersion is Nintendo, whose rumble pack technology predates Immersion's patent, which raises questions like, how did Immersion get a patent on it? But anyway, immersion did not sue valve over the steam controller,

Starting point is 02:16:49 though. This is most likely a reflection of valves growing popularity and success. Discussion question. Should valve take this as a compliment? I mean, I guess that's one way of looking at it. I'm sure they would rather just not have to deal with this lawsuit from a patent troll. It's so frustrating.

Starting point is 02:17:06 How much innovation gets squashed by this crap? Hate it. What I don't hate is announcing the OCBase slash OCCT 20th Stableversary. Hey! It's a stability testing software that's been around for a while. They're celebrating their 20th anniversary, dubbed a Stableversary. They've revamped their site and software, and to celebrate, they're hosting a giveaway

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Starting point is 02:17:50 the giveaway and I think that's pretty much it for the topics this week we had a couple other things we were kind of thinking of talking about oh the Asus router issue so

Starting point is 02:17:58 that was bad I see what pushed like a firmware update or something like that that basically knocked every Asus router offline a security update as far as I know i didn't dive super deeply into it but yeah sick yep uh there's some like nerd drama um between nerds yep um you know what i don't know

Starting point is 02:18:16 a lot about this i don't feel like talking about that i'll talk very shortly about the overwatch 2 thing um oh, yeah. So. What's up with that? What, you just promise a campaign and then just never deliver it? What, you just, you know, promised Halo co-op and then just don't ship it or what? Like, I just, who do they think they are? Sorry, what were we talking about? It is annoyingly common. Jeff Kaplan, the pretty fantastic video game designer,

Starting point is 02:18:44 hopefully hasn't done terrible things. I don't know. Whatever. Jeff Kaplan announced the single player. Basically everything Jeff Kaplan worked on was like awesome. So people were really excited. Oh, have you clarified that this is for Overwatch 2? Yeah. Oh, maybe not. I don't know. Yeah. He announced single player stuff and like hero mode and all this other type of stuff going on with Overwatch 2. And they have effectively announced recently that it's a lot of work working on single player and multiplayer, and they're just going to keep working on single or multiplayer. Sorry. Hero mode's not coming, et cetera, et cetera. I don't play Overwatch. So there might be some elements of it that got partially there. I don't know. I haven't dove far enough into this story, but I know a lot of the

Starting point is 02:19:28 things that people were excited about are not coming and Jeff isn't there anymore. So he can't make it happen. And that was one of the reasons why it was nice when he was around was because he would kind of make those types of things happen. So I had a bunch of interest in Overwatch too, because it was supposed to have co-op. And this is something that Linus and I have talked a decent amount recently, where it's like, you look at the games that are killing it recently, they're all single player games. Basically, the ones that I can think of.

Starting point is 02:19:57 And yet the games industry doesn't want to build single player experiences. No, they're like, oh, we're going to make a bunch of games as a service. We're going to make all these other things. We want to make a game that you literally play with 100% of your time for the rest of your life. One game.

Starting point is 02:20:10 I don't want that. No. I want to play Tears of the Kingdom and then have Tears of the Kingdom be over and I want to play something else.

Starting point is 02:20:18 I don't want Tears of the Kingdom to be slightly different if I log out for six months and log back in. And it's like exciting when you do that because then when the next one comes out you're like oh cool i get to go through a similar experience again this is one of the reasons why i like uh getting people to

Starting point is 02:20:33 play the titanfall 2 campaign because it's like six to eight hours okay i really do still need to do that but like i wasn't even trying to rag on you for that. But it's just like, it's a good... Like, I beat it, and then the next night, I beat it again. Because I played it on the hardest difficulty. What a Chad. Because I was like, this game is worth going through again, right? And it was kind of too easy on the lower one, so I wanted to amp it up. Humble brag. It's actually, like, the other people have commented as well,

Starting point is 02:21:03 that regular difficulty is kind of too easy. Got it. But it's actually like the, the other people have commented as well. They're like regular difficulty is kind of too easy. Got it. Um, but it's, it's a fantastic game. And one of the reasons why it's so good is because they'll introduce a new fun idea. And then before you're tired of it, they take it away and they give you a new one. They're like, oh, you're not quite done with this. Okay. Well, it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 02:21:23 This is mine. Now you get this other thing and it's it's fun and you get to the end of the game you're like wow that was cool for all its faults it takes two did a pretty good job of mixing up the gameplay mechanics it was really simplistic because it was kind of designed for relatively casual players so i didn't really have a ton of fun with it, but I played through it, and it's one of probably only half a dozen games that I've actually played through start to finish

Starting point is 02:21:50 over the last few years just because life is busy, and that really is reflective of how few of these types of experiences are out there, and so I can see why people were so hungry for Overwatch 2. I mean, part of it, too, is to Blizzard's credit, they've done a pretty good job of creating characters out of these classes.

Starting point is 02:22:08 It makes sense to have a single player for it. Yeah, it kind of does. But I mean, I don't know. Should we criticize Valve for never doing a campaign with the Team Fortress 2 universe? Like, I don't know. Probably. It would have been sick.

Starting point is 02:22:19 Yeah. Like, I don't know. I mean, where's an RTS? Yeah. Where's a Team Fortress? Where's like anything? Yeah. I talk, where's an RTS? Yeah. Where's a Team Fortress? Where's like anything? I talk to people about this all the time. That would be awesome.

Starting point is 02:22:30 If you make a game that isn't trash and it has co-op, I will buy it. Like I just, there's like no options. There's practically nothing that comes out. And this is not just true for me. I will sometimes see when we're talking about something and we're like, oh, we're not going to do that. It's not a very good idea. And you'll see some people in float plane chat be like, I'll buy it. And it's like, yeah, or I'll watch that thing or whatever, right? Like I'll watch that video. And it's like, yeah, but we're competing against the algorithm. We have to

Starting point is 02:22:59 find something that like a huge percentage of people are going to watch, not a hardcore niche. like a huge percentage of people are going to watch not not a hardcore niche co-op is not a hardcore niche everyone i know that plays games literally everyone wants co-op experiences maybe not to play with me but to play with somebody whether it's their partner or just another friend that they like playing games with or whatever and there's like so few of them yeah someone in flip play chat michael is like portal 2 is another good single-player game. It's like, yeah, but how long ago was Portal 2? It's so old! Yeah.

Starting point is 02:23:29 You're not wrong. Great game. We're not angry with you. We're angry with the situation. The fact that I still recommend people go back and play Portal 2 as a co-op game is crazy because there aren't a ton of, like, better, newer alternatives.

Starting point is 02:23:44 Like, what the heck and people will look at games like you know old assassin's creed games used to have like competitive multiplayer yeah why and like no one ever cared because why would you far cry had competitive multiplayer or something like that why and, why? And then modern Far Cry has co-op, but just like a bunch of other co-op games, the co-op implementation is like so whack. Why can't you just start a new game together? Like Joe and I were playing a game called Returnal,

Starting point is 02:24:19 but you have to like join the other person's thing so the person that joins in doesn't get the progress. It's only the server host. It's like why are you punishing people for wanting to play games together? Stop having weird limitations of when you can play or not. Because there's like oh you can play Far Cry but you can only join for one mission. It's like what? So my friend happens to be playing a game and I'm going to be like hey you want to stop what you're doing and come play with me in far cry for one

Starting point is 02:24:48 mission and then screw off because you can't keep playing i don't think i think that was one version of far cry i think in far cry later you can keep playing the whole time but it's just like why are there these weird like just it's it's just like trendiness right like uh you you brought up games that unnecessarily had multiplayer one that blew me away was first encounter assault recon do you remember that game no fear oh yeah okay okay so it had multiplayer i had no idea that game's whole shtick was the bullet time thing which obviously isn't gonna work in multiplayer so it was just a super generic shooter. And the atmosphere, like it's got it.

Starting point is 02:25:30 Okay, that's one that I would strongly recommend. If you haven't played Fear, go play it. I don't know if any of the other ones were good. I think I might've played Fear 2. I didn't play Fear 3, although I heard that one was good and I have no idea about Fear 4. If there is a Fear 4 even. Is there a Fear 4, Fear 3? We know it doesn doesn't matter the point is i played the first one i really enjoyed

Starting point is 02:25:47 it um but yeah it didn't need multiplayer why can't you just make the make one good thing and someone in the chat tagged me and said call of duty zombies i know a lot of people play zombies i find it very repetitive and boring it's a preference thing whatever what i don't understand is why can't you play the campaign together? There's other soldiers with you pretty much the whole time. Like, what do you mean? There's no... Ah, man.

Starting point is 02:26:18 And, like, it's so difficult to make good multiplayer games. And especially when you make them competitive, there's all this, this like hit registration issues and netcode problems and all this like crazy not supposed to hit each other then whatever who cares yeah the level of like what you have to get to is so much lower for a co-op experience it should be so much easier if it feels it feels like people are like no no this is a single-player game You don't get to have my single-player games like what do you do why? Like come on. I don't know destiny 2 is good co-op game destiny 2 is an MMO

Starting point is 02:27:00 And on that note missions, but it's not the whole game. it's not the whole game It's not the whole game No No I know That's not okay No We can't do that The new COD has co-op missions Sure

Starting point is 02:27:10 But it's not the storyline game They're canned experiences And they're like weird Like speedrun things Borderlands is so boring It's just Ah It

Starting point is 02:27:22 It's Diablo It's just Diablo It's first person diablo guns i just the amount of just like looting garbage just dragged i liked the first one and then they kept releasing it and i was like this is the same game with a new map which is okay sometimes but yeah but people are talking deep rock galactic we tried to play deep rock galactic i think i just weren't like into it enough it was pretty deep what about portal 2 then okay good counter argument except portal 2 is a is a new whole campaign basically the co-op is a new whole campaign which is great because if you played the single-player by yourself and then wanted to play co-op with a friend now

Starting point is 02:28:05 It's new puzzles. Yeah, that's fantastic The COD if you haven't done it the COD co-op missions is not a campaign It's just it's like playing If you are an older gamer, it's like playing red alert or Starcraft on like scenario mode You just like load into a map and you go and it's like it's better than literally nothing but it's still bad it's still really bad and i was honestly very frustrated because i heard i heard that uh it it had co-op and i was really excited about it and then i was so deeply disappointed with what the co-op was because as like uh as like hyper generic as cod campaigns are uh my like gushy goblin meat brain still

Starting point is 02:28:57 enjoys them so being able to play them in co-op would be fun but they're just like no you can't do that anyways sorry i'll stop ranting. Time for WAN show after dark. Shall we do some merch messages? Yeah. We are seriously not going to be able to get to all of them this week. I'm sorry, guys. There's really a lot.

Starting point is 02:29:17 And thank you for that. That's awesome. Maybe we could go a little less dark than we have been people are complaining on LMG clips yeah I think that's pretty good yeah when show after dark much well it's a little dark one show after Twilight still a still a better show than Twilight I got to swap over the banner. There we go. When after dark, nice. Got to love those nice little touches.

Starting point is 02:29:50 Good touch. Um, another thing too, is like, not only are we probably not going to be able to get to all of these, but a huge percentage of these are just going to be questions about like the new leadership. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 02:30:05 Which I'll do a little bit, but, um, probably not everything. We don't necessarily want to grind on that the whole night. Yep. We have other things to grind on the whole night. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:30:15 Yeah. Oh my God. Hey there Stan. Oh, okay. Sure. Uh, hey there stan oh okay sure uh if you're not handling uh sorry if you're not handing over any equity how do you get taryn to leave intel who i'm guessing offered large stock options uh well taryn wasn't at intel yeah uh he was at dell um as for the compensation of any Linus Media Group employee I don't think that's something that I'm going to be discussing you know obviously we had to come up

Starting point is 02:30:54 with a total compensation package of some sort that made sense for him and and he's happy with it and we're happy with it and that's how we're moving forward. I mean, there's so many different ways to skin the cat when it comes to compensation, when it comes to,

Starting point is 02:31:12 I shouldn't say compensation, when it comes to total job satisfaction, right? Like, I don't know, it's really funny. I saw a post just a while back somewhere something like the way linus talks about hiring passionate people sounds like those toxic employers that think that offering a better work environment is a good substitute for more pay and i was like yeah i guess i am that kind of toxic person because believe it or not offering a better work environment actually does cost money um and actually does result in better happiness than necessarily just throwing

Starting point is 02:31:55 money at the onto a paycheck um especially past a certain point like i would say if you're at you know barely above poverty level like if you're not if you know, barely above poverty level, like if you're not, if you're not making enough, then yeah, you'd probably rather just have the money. But I think this is going to get misquoted. I mean, probably just, just, yeah. But yes, I do think there is a value to having a positive. What he's saying is there's a value to it. Not that he like pays people less actively because of it. Well, yeah.

Starting point is 02:32:24 He doesn't go like oh you guys have snacks therefore i'm paying you five dollars less oh no that's not how that works i know oh okay but my point is yes i do think there's a value in you know the like it's literally half of your waking hours five five days a week, right? Like there's value in, you know, creating a positive culture where people actually don't mind being there. And if you are the type of person who looks at that and goes, no, I'd rather have my extra 83 cents an hour and be miserable all day, then I'm so glad you're not here.

Starting point is 02:33:01 Thank God you're not here. Because you sound awful anyway this is so gonna be misquoted but i don't like disagree with what is the the baseline of what is being said so yeah reddit can be mad about it i don't care it doesn't matter uh go go go be go there please there's so many things that it's going to be so interesting to just even just mentally ask myself like what will taryn think top view 1224 says it's not 83 cents it's like 10 to 12 dollars an hour that is a number you completely pulled out of your ass wait what is it what i said the the difference it would be like however i pulled an arbitrary snacks no not for snacks just the difference between working in a toxic workplace and working in one that is like good to work at yeah you don't know that

Starting point is 02:33:57 i'm going to need training from the ceo on like when to stop Linus. This is just not going to go well. Okay, cool. Next time. Linus, is there any project that you're especially excited to be able to focus on now that you will have more time loving the content? Yeah. I mean, I'm really excited to focus on how we can, you know, really find the right balance between making this a good place to work and compensating people fairly this man's an expert I knew that

Starting point is 02:34:31 would happen now mention the nukes come on we have a compensation benefit of working here is if you're not an on-camera employee you get to spend a significant portion of your time working in the nuke manufacturing plant. It's under the lab. It's physically under the lab. We build it under the ground. The lab opens like this, and then it can...

Starting point is 02:34:54 Yeah, it's great. Yeah. Now who's leaking stuff? Like all the nuclear waste. Oh, man. Wow. People, like, really don't understand this. This is wild.

Starting point is 02:35:08 Yeah, I- I- uh, yeah. I- I say- Uh, I know I'm feeling the same, Luke. Huh. Okay. I knew this was gonna happen, because the way- the way- There's- every once in a while, you'll word something in a way that is like not wrong but very easily misinterpreted if they don't have the context for it which is everyone's gonna do that i'm not singling you out i'm sure i do it

Starting point is 02:35:40 too but i just don't get it like do they actually in their heart of hearts believe that when we added snacks we subtracted that from our payroll budget do you actually think that i am certain some companies effectively do well yeah sure but like those guys yeah but but but that i i think that might be the component that's missing. But that's not my problem. No, I understand. I understand. I understand. I understand.

Starting point is 02:36:08 I understand. I'm just saying. When it was happening, I was like, this is going to be bad. I wasn't saying you were saying anything wrong. I just knew it was going to be bad. By the way, you have a new official nickname, Lukecomb Luke nice courtesy of floatplane chat. I love it All right next up yeah, oh wait no Yeah, what do I want to what do I want to focus on?

Starting point is 02:36:41 Oh boy By the way, your girlfriend sounds very savvy, Jacob W. What is this show? Let him wear the clothes. Spend as much money as you want on LTTstore.com. Oh, man. More labs and writing team integration. That's what I want on LTTstore.com. Oh, man. More labs and writing team integration. That's what I want to see more of.

Starting point is 02:37:08 I think I kind of talked about that earlier on the show. Okay, we can do another one. Okay. Hey, DLL. A few weeks ago, I lost my lanyard and YubiKey somewhere and was not able to find it. Luckily, I have a backup. What was the most costly thing you have misplaced or lost? Oh, I lost like a $400 pocket PC back when I was running my painting company.

Starting point is 02:37:30 I went to an ice rink to watch something. I don't know. I was with Yvonne. This is like very early in our relationship. And I realized after I left that it had fallen out of my pocket in the bleachers, which is one of the reasons that so many of the pants on LTT Store have zipper pockets, because that's personally burned me multiple times in the past. Yep.

Starting point is 02:37:55 And did I tell you that the ice rink was in Surrey? I don't think so. So what are the odds I got it back? Yeah. Yeah, cool. Yep. So yeah, i went back very quickly afterward no it's gone yeah uh so yeah that was and and part of it is that i don't know

Starting point is 02:38:11 maybe i've lost something more dollars since then but that was back in like 2005 impact uh and i did not have money i was a student right so like if i lost, A, that's a lot less money than it used to be. And B, I could absorb that very easily compared to when I was a student. Um, yeah, it was pretty rough. I was not happy. Mine, you know how much money I spend on clothes or how often I go shopping back in my dating era. i purchased a jacket it was a donye leather jacket it's actually quite nice um it was my favorite model that they had and then when i went and pulled it off the rack i saw the the model name was luke which was kind of cool um and it like fit perfectly you sure it wasn't chad it sounds like a pretty chad moment it had

Starting point is 02:39:06 one of those uh the like sweater hoods cool okay and like the style just really suited me really well on stuff and then i guess one day uh back when i used to live in the basin suite of the the house office i must have left my car unlocked and it got jacked and i i was like actually really sad because there's very few clothing items that i like yeah people like luke spent money yeah yeah there's very few clothing items that i've actually like spent money on and we're like really good how are we this similar in like weird ways um the story i didn't tell is my second year at CES, um, to look somewhat presentable. I, um, I treated myself to, uh, uh, it was probably about 400 to $450. Have I told you this story?

Starting point is 02:39:55 No, I just know the, I know it. Yeah. So, so, uh, an expensive like wool jacket. Um, it was super nice. Um, and I left it in a cab with my leather gloves also in the pocket of my jacket. And, oh yeah, cabbie definitely never saw that for sure. Yeah, gone. Yeah, that's the most expensive garment I think I've ever bought for myself. And I lost it like immediately. Yeah, I was really not impressed. Uber's not perfect,

Starting point is 02:40:28 but shout out being able to get in touch with the person who was driving the vehicle right away. Yeah. Like the fact that it took so, because I realized right away, obviously, but conveniently, well, I don't know, the dispatch takes time to,

Starting point is 02:40:43 I'm sorry, they must've taken another fare. No, he didn't find anything, but no way to talk to that person. So they could just be like, yeah, no, I didn't see it. Yeah. A hundred percent. Okay. Let's throw another one in here. Hey, DLL, a few weeks ago, I'm reading the same question. What will Taron Tong's role be with video roles? Will he be occasional host or appearance, or will he be primarily behind the camera, honed in on CEO duties with the occasional cameo? If he's behind the camera,

Starting point is 02:41:13 then he's definitely doing the wrong thing. I'm kidding. That's just like, that generally means operating it. But he will be behind the scenes. Yeah. I don't think he's particularly comfortable on camera. He graciously agreed to come to the roast, which I just thought was pretty

Starting point is 02:41:29 cool. Having like, uh, people who knew me both personally and professionally and as a, as a, uh, a collaborator, you know, like it was nice to have that variety, but it was not something that I think was like his comfort zone necessarily. So cool that he did that so i wouldn't be surprised if he shows up once in a while but for the most part his job is going to be making sure that this machine runs smoothly been a fan since you were reviewing netbooks at ncix what do you think worried you the most during this transition, stepping down as CEO? Um, worries me most. Uh, I don't know. I'm mostly worried that I'll just have a hard time actually stepping back. Um, and like actually letting go of the reins. It's, it's a real challenge for me, but I'm going to do my best with it. Okay. We might have to limit the number of new CEO questions. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, these are done throughout the show. Uh, do my best with it okay we might have to limit the number of new ceo questions sorry yeah i mean

Starting point is 02:42:25 these are done throughout the show uh let's see oh boy what have i done to myself uh i'll pick one i just don't know do the stick locks fit on the rg ally i believe so uh i haven't tried okay but i'm like 98 sure tell you what if it doesn't fit just contact support we'll get you sorted out hey dll from the future any thoughts on kyle ending bitwit it's a big loss on the industry any uh plans for short colors uh shorts are not moving particularly well um so probably not anytime soon but you know we'll see um good reviews but we're not selling a ton of them i guess people just like buying tops online more than pants i can kind of see that actually because it's easier to especially for guys like tops or just yeah whatever i am

Starting point is 02:43:18 it'll probably work yeah whereas shorts and pants can be very, very challenging. Yeah. Um, you got to contain all of this energy, you know, power. Yeah. Uh, anywho. Yeah. Thoughts on thoughts on losing bit with content. I mean, I, um, Oh boy. Do I talk about that? Sure.

Starting point is 02:43:37 Why? I'm screwed. I'll talk about this. So back when, uh, Paul and Kyle left,wegg. Kyle was the one of them, because people had suggested, oh, we should hire them. Kyle was the one of them that I had actually wanted to hire more.

Starting point is 02:43:54 I think both of them have done an excellent job over the years. Both of them have just, I mean, survived as independent content creators is all you really have to say. That's very tough over an extended period of time. And almost everyone fails. But I always, what I liked about Kyle was that I didn't necessarily need, you know,

Starting point is 02:44:18 Paul's deeper hardware knowledge from my outside observations. But what I really liked about Kyle was just his raw chaotic energy. Just the way that he managed to inject humor and fun into tech in a way that's pretty unique. He kind of felt like host first, tech second. Yeah. And whereas Paul has always been tech first, host second,

Starting point is 02:44:42 which isn't to say he's a bad host, not at all. And he's hilarious. But it's just a really really different style um and so yeah i would have i would have loved to you know hire kyle or whatever at that time because i i did feel like the tech industry you know would love him and and and and needed him um he's got a really unique voice and yeah it's it saddens me but also as someone who's going through my own sort of transition right now, I get it, right? If it's not what your passion is, then you have to do something else. I just don't think there's another way around it. Yeah, it feels like the end of an era in a weird way, but at the same time,

Starting point is 02:45:22 it feels like the end of an era in a weird way, but at the same time, uh, he's been through a bunch of stuff recently and I'm happy that he's taking steps in a direction that he feels good about, if that makes sense. Um, and it's not like Kyle's gone. We just have different Kyle.

Starting point is 02:45:40 Yeah. Which is okay. Did someone, is someone asking, did I pull sponsorship on austin evans's last video what i actually am not sure what you're talking about uh oh well i mean he has a pink car so maybe the assumption is that i had something to do with it but no uh all right hit me dan sure thing um let's see oh yeah i should be finding ones that uh

Starting point is 02:46:16 aren't about the ceo how yeah okay this one's fine uh linus hope the new job makes you happy what do you think the most challenging part of your new role will be? Um, finding time. Relinquishing the old role. Yeah. Yeah. Same answer. I think there will also be a, in a similar way to, I think I've mentioned on the show

Starting point is 02:46:40 a few times, but I mentioned a lot off the show, how there's a lot of struggles going from small company to medium company. I think the process changes of everyone working here, not dealing with you in the same way is going to be difficult. Yeah. People are going to have to break a lot of habits. Like I, I have a pretty open door policy to the extent that I can with my limited time. So people from every level of the organization will come to me and say, hey, look, I think this is a really, really awful decision that's being made.

Starting point is 02:47:09 You know, do you agree? Can you do something? And we're just going to have to break that habit. Yeah. I'm just going to have to like, no, I actually will not talk to you about this. You need to take this to someone else's job, to someone else.

Starting point is 02:47:22 And we have to trust those people and if we can't trust them then we have to train them or whatever right okay this one here is about ltx which is exciting going to be at ltx this year flying from alabama heck yeah wanted to see if cosplay is allowed during the show i'm pretty avid comic con goer uh that's a good question i think as long as it doesn't violate like our security policies like i think we don't allow covered faces or replica weapons weapons is a is an issue um but yeah you'd have to you'd have to check I, the best thing to do would be to contact support on ltxexpo.com. I believe there's also a sub forum on the LT on the linus tech tips.com forum.

Starting point is 02:48:12 That's being monitored for any questions to do with LTX. I'm sure if you were able to send them a picture of it or send them a picture of the concept at the very least, they could give you a pretty good answer. But yeah, totally. People have absolutely come in, in costume before and it's awesome yeah all right i'm doing too many things at once and it won't leave um you got this dan hey guys what is the number one thing floatplane feature video or product you wish linus had not leaked and what were the repercussions

Starting point is 02:48:46 i don't usually mind it that much um like there's stuff that's kind of like annoying like you mentioned the the subscription upgrade before we were ready and that like created more work but it wasn't like it's not like the sky was falling, and that created more work. But it wasn't like... Oh, yeah, right. It's not like the sky was falling. It just created more work. Yeah. I didn't mean to do that. I didn't know what you were doing. But it wasn't...

Starting point is 02:49:11 Okay, well, that's something. I don't know. I can't really think of much else, though. I think this would be more of an LTT store thing than a floatplane thing. I definitely caused some problems when I wanted to wear the color block hoodie really early. That's what I'm talking about. Because I feel like it's more creative warehouse thing. Yeah, because we had a really hard time getting the dark dyes right up against the light dyes to not run into the light dyes.

Starting point is 02:49:36 And so that product took like another year or something to come out after I had leaked it. So support kept getting messages from people asking like, when is this hoodie coming? leaked it so support kept getting messages from people asking like when was this hoodie coming um i'd say that's probably the biggest problem though is people just wanting the product more badly and i'm kind of sitting here going that's marketing baby um so i don't know but you can also exhaust people by announcing something too far ahead of time yes like skull and bones um but like yeah like the coal bar yeah exactly um so i don't know that's a in general the float plane stuff it's it's been it's been fine what defunct company would you revive assuming they would stay afloat once brought back

Starting point is 02:50:19 defunct i assume you mean a tech company of some sort this is kind of a weird one too because like there have been companies that i would honestly name but they have been brought back but not really with the same commodore and stuff like that yeah like rare sure yeah okay just like everybody said it's not but it's it's not the same anymore though right like this one zombie rare so like you know what i say blizzard that's a spy like that i like that a lot that's real good because it's not they're not the i like that because they are not blizzard yeah they. Activision Blizzard King or whatever. Yeah, whatever it is. ABK.

Starting point is 02:51:05 Yeah, it sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah! I agree. NCIX. Some good suggestions there.

Starting point is 02:51:16 Someone was mentioning you should rename the company now that Terran's here. You should rename the company NCIX2. NCIX2. LCIX. Yeah, there's some good suggestions in here sierra mono micro pros yeah westwood pebble westwood i want pebble back west would be sick voodoo 3d blizzard north i like

Starting point is 02:51:37 that there's a lot of like yeah but a lot of these the the problem is that they were either purchased or or they were brought back but it wasn't the original team it wasn't the original spirit it's just the name so it just didn't matter it's irrelevant like the the company name is unimportant so man speaking of things being brought back without the original spirit um i i didn't get a chance to watch the willow tv reboot uh because well i heard it was awful and so i didn't bother i just watched the movie um but apparently it's uh it's already being pulled off of disney plus and this is to do with apparently avoiding paying residuals and also uh

Starting point is 02:52:20 using the fact that they are no longer making money off of it as a way to optimize their taxes. Yeah. Gross. Oh yeah. Like the, the fact that your creative work, however much, you know, certain people might like it or not like it. That's, that's sort of a completely separate conversation. How, whatever your creative work is is the fact that for tax optimization purposes it can just be mothballed forever is so gross yeah um there's there's shows or movies or something i don't know which one or maybe both uh that have been produced and then upon seeing the finished product they didn't think it was not going to make any money but they didn't think it was going to make enough money and it was better to write it off yeah i think it was like batgirl or something like that like that

Starting point is 02:53:14 yeah there were there were two oh no there was an even worse one so that one was finished shooting but not produced but there was an animated film that actually got completely finished like actually completely finished and then um will never be released i want to say scooby-doo it was a scooby sequel that movie is done and we'll never see the light of day, which is absolutely mind-blowing to me. Yeah, that's really rough. Did I say Batgirl? Is it Batwoman? Bat-something.

Starting point is 02:53:53 Whatever, it's something. This isn't a topic we prepared. That one finished shooting, and then the Scooby-Doo one actually finished post-production because the contract had to be completed. So people knew knew they actually knew that they were working on a movie that would never be released yeah isn't that wild

Starting point is 02:54:12 okay hit me can do congratulations linus now that you're stepping down from ceo do you plan to have more time for non LMG stuff any big personal projects in mind badminton center badminton center badminton center did I confirm on Wancho already that it's 14 quarts I thought it was 16 14 14 it was never going to be 16 it was going to be it was going to be 7 or 14 yeah 14 quarts is confirmed super excited however um that did put me under a bit more financial strain and uh the machine vision scoring system is on pause for now we definitely still want to do some development in the long term i want to i want it to be just like the techiest wildest freaking cool like badminton gym ever sometimes things have to but it's gonna take some time

Starting point is 02:55:04 and honestly the more time it takes theoretically the easier it'll get anyways yeah which is cool badminton gym ever. Sometimes things have to be delayed. But it's going to take some time. That's okay. And honestly, the more time it takes, theoretically, the easier it'll get anyways. Yeah. Which is cool. Okay, I'll just pick one at random here. Already did that one. Are there any vision initiatives or projects

Starting point is 02:55:17 that you are looking forward to getting to spend more time on when you release your CEO duties? So I guess this is more company related. Wait, isn't this basically the same question? Yeah, no, this one was more work. The other one was personal. You already said labs integration.

Starting point is 02:55:37 Hey, Linus, are there any skill sets you're looking to learn or improve in your new position? I mean... We talked about knowledge sharing. Yeah, yeah. I think I could do a way, way better job of just helping to make our creative processes more, um, a little more like dynamic. I think, I think that as we've grown and as I've been lighter touch on the individuals in the creative chain, I've rubbed off on them less. And I think that there's sometimes an unwillingness to

Starting point is 02:56:15 just do things differently. Like it used to be, I remember when we hired Max, she was very timid. And so I kind of had to hammer into her during her early days like hey if something sucks you have to tell me and I would even do things like intentionally do a bad take and ask her if it was okay and when she'd be like yes I'm like no it wasn't and she's like I know and I'm like okay

Starting point is 02:56:39 then why'd you tell me it was good she's like I'm sorry I'm like well look look that's not the point. The point is you've got to be able to tell me, because if you can't tell me, then how are we going to make a better product together? We've got to be able to work together. And that means we need communication. I just, I don't do that stuff as much anymore. And so I want to spend more time on that. Okay. Now we can get in some of the really interesting ones. Let's see what else we've got here.

Starting point is 02:57:08 Come on, where'd it go? Hi, Dan. Yeah, Dan XE has stopped working. Maybe it got removed. Can you give an example of a decision that you made in the past couple years that TT would have disagreed with? How do you resolve that conflict in future corpus structure? Oh, I think a lot of our product development direction has been kind of... Erotic.

Starting point is 02:57:44 Thank you for that um i don't think okay here's an example i don't think taran would have disagreed with the lab i think that we're very aligned on that vision but he probably would have i don't know set out a budget for it just a thing that taran might do um not like completely changed uh even the not set but kind of expected budget within like a three month period yeah one building some people no bigger building more people yeah that's how i roll baby um and but he also i mean he also might though well that's the thing is uh the money is still coming from the organization here so in theory if he does a good job the organization will make even more money which means even more irresponsible spending we're just going to

Starting point is 02:58:38 write down how much money we're going to irresponsibly spend before we spend it yeah instead of just finding out after we've spent it and that doesn't mean that it couldn't change based on learning new things or whatever else yeah but it will still be written down first and to be clear like yvonne always made sure i never actually did anything that we couldn't afford to do it's just that yvonne's a lot more malleable for me she'll be like yeah i really don't know if this makes sense. And I'll be like, please, I'll just make more money. It's okay.

Starting point is 02:59:11 We'll just spend it. This is a really good idea. I'm pretty sure. She'll be like, okay, let me see what I can do. That's pretty much the dynamic. She's great. Okay, next up. Linus, with how much you include family on the show hosting a podcast with your wife and building servers with your son have you ever had to debate how much of your personal

Starting point is 02:59:34 life should be on the show oh absolutely i mean i uh oops what'd you do? I meant to go new line, and I sent a reply. So somebody, sorry, I'm going to interject for a second. Somebody was like, what software that you use on a daily basis that you hate, and what changes would you make? Teams. Oh.

Starting point is 02:59:57 I was new lining to type Teams. I had typed Slack, and I was trying to get a new line. Corporate communication software, in my opinion, is in an absolute trash state. It's ridiculous that I would honestly rather use Discord if it didn't have some like weird limitations on it. If there was like Discord for business, I'd probably just move everybody to that.

Starting point is 03:00:22 Because like Teams and Slack are both just so bad like really weird basic things and like there's some things about teams that i like more about slack and there's some things about slack they're like more than teams i'm not saying either of them is necessarily better than the other it kind of depends on what style of team you have yada yada yada but they're just both like i just want msn messenger back um anyway in response to your question yeah it's something that yvonne and i talk about a lot it's something that i feel like i kind of intuitively try to silo um i think for a long time i was probably just posting too much on Twitter. Because a lot of the time, it's not even really like, it's not well articulated, which doesn't help.

Starting point is 03:01:16 And a lot of the time, it's just like how I'm feeling in the moment. I think that platform really is designed for people to be their their worst most impulsive selves so now that i almost never post on twitter i'm definitely doing i'm definitely doing a better job of keeping my my personal feelings and my personal life offline while still managing to be a prolific online personality yeah for luke how much emphasis uh is put on tests and feature flags when rolling out features i've noticed that as companies get bigger features take longer to develop as testing becomes a requirement yeah we do that stuff um are we the best at it no um we've had like pushes in our history to be like oh we need to add tests for like all the things and then it like often doesn't really help i don't know

Starting point is 03:02:15 there's a lot of people that will fight very viciously on both sides people that say tests are a hard requirement other people that say tests are a hard requirement other people that say tests are a waste of time um i think if you're not doing it properly it's just a waste of time um we have often not necessarily done it properly there is a time in our history where i think we did a really good job um i don't necessarily think we're doing that now, but what we are doing now is better like QA of the stuff that we're doing. So we have an internal, uh, an internal platform that, uh, developers can use for testing. And sometimes we'll like, it's been pretty cool having other teams in our Slack. So like the labs web dev team, and even some of the labs, local, uh, developers are in Slack with us.

Starting point is 03:03:05 Uh, so the labs team or the float plane team, vice versa, we'll be like, Hey, other people that don't work on this, but are also developers, uh, try to pick this apart, see what happens. And it's, it's useful. And then sometimes we'll scale beyond that and we'll have, we'll, we'll throw it at another team in the company that is not necessarily technical, but it's useful to have them try to pick it apart. Uh, and then we have another layer, which is the beta site, which you don't have to use anymore, by the way, users, because the main site has been updated with all of the beta site features. So you can just use the main site now. And I would actually recommend doing that.

Starting point is 03:03:38 But we're going to very likely continue to use the beta site to test stuff. So we have a bunch of layers of increasing the amount of users and the type of users that try stuff firsthand. And that's kind of our preferred route at this point. Yeah. I think there are other honestly, significantly bigger reasons why large companies move slower with product releases than writing tests.

Starting point is 03:04:03 I would personally say, but I could be wrong there because i don't have experience at those companies hello guys i'm in high school and my best friend's parents have video cameras to monitor what he does on his computer do you think that this is too far hope you guys have a nice show okay sorry did you say high school high school oh that's getting pretty old for nanny um i monitor my kids my eldest is not in high school though um i think that at a certain point kids start to need their privacy and that sort of supervision becomes oppressive however just because you're in high school, or even just because you're legally an adult doesn't necessarily mean that your parents don't still know what's better for you sometimes. And I don't know everything about their unique situation. I mean,

Starting point is 03:04:55 maybe this individual is, you know, seriously at risk of some kind of self harm, for example. You know, without getting into too much detail I knew someone when I was in high school who spent time on like pro anorexia forums and stuff like that and you know I think that it would have been in their parents and this person's best interest even though they were well advanced into their high school years to monitor that and prevent that if they in any way could do that. Um, that's a community that someone with body image issues doesn't need to be participating in. Uh, that is objectively true. And, um,

Starting point is 03:05:41 I wasn't listening to most of this. You just said it's objectively true and you're talking about body image issues. So I'm hoping this is going okay. Luke, I embrace free impact. Luke, in your experience, has it ever gone okay? Yeah, yeah, no, it definitely has. It goes okay the vast majority of the time. Um, but yeah, I don't know. There's one thing that I would consider is uh your your kids are

Starting point is 03:06:07 probably not like you know stupid um so if they really want to get around it you're telling them that you're watching them with a camera so they'll find another way the makeout corner in the basement specifically doesn't have a camera pointed at it we just assume it's going to be a makeout corner at some point you know that uh that spot under the stairs ah that will almost certainly be a makeout corner because you'll be able to hear anyone coming down the stairs and quickly you know assemble yourselves yeah kids will be kids yeah so like you have to understand that to a certain degree it's it's tough because i've i've thought about the situation of like growing up in my house was harder for that type of stuff than most of my friends because my dad

Starting point is 03:06:56 was always been technical yeah and that's got to be rough for for your kids as well like good luck so like i don't know but what i really want is to not have to supervise them so that's the foundation we're trying to build now is like hey if you do something you shouldn't the best course of action the the the best time to tell me about it was then the second best time is now the The worst time is not yet. You know, all of my kids know that if you do something wrong, you're in a bit of trouble. But we love you and we'll figure it out.

Starting point is 03:07:38 If you lie about it, you're in a lot of trouble. And trust is hard to rebuild. And so that's really the way that we try to message everything. And the hope is that we can build a strong enough foundation where they just kind of go, okay, yeah, it's actually a much better path to just talk about these things rather than waiting to be found out.

Starting point is 03:07:57 And we've found out enough things through just being watchful that hopefully we've created enough of a pattern for them to recognize that it's not actually worth it. And it's better to just talk about it. Hopefully. I mean, who knows, right? Like people are, people are imperfect. People are messy. People, life is messy, right? I i don't i don't know where my kids are going to end up i obviously hope for the best and sometimes you have to figure out

Starting point is 03:08:29 things on your own so like but this comes into the like you're talking about like okay we monitor now but he's not in high school yet blah blah blah yeah there's certain things about yourself about how you are positioned in life about the world that you're going to want to dive into, discover, do research on whatever on your own so that it feels more organic and so you can come to answers on your own. So that'll happen eventually. But like, there's, yeah,

Starting point is 03:09:00 there's also people that go down terrible paths like you were mentioning. So like, I don't know, it's tough. Yeah, and you can't prevent it these days like i mean we've got people in the chat talking about like like porn blocking it's like good luck oh yeah that like doesn't matter yeah utterly irrelevant you're far better off just meeting that head-on you'd have to block the internet like it's literally everywhere yeah man i was uh i thought i think i mentioned this on one show a little while ago but i was on twitter looking at just like some utterly unrelated

Starting point is 03:09:29 hashtag and it's like whoa that was hardcore pornography yeah like just just like that and you can kind of go okay well don't have the twitter app yeah but it's like it's on the web you can just access it through a browser and that's just that's just like mainstream i couldn't possibly hope to block every site that just has pornography on it like you said i would just have to block the internet youtube i'll just be iran i'll just make my own internet you wouldn't be able to have any of the platforms that you do business on accessible from your house yeah there's some pretty wild literally any of the music videos on youtube and stuff i was like is this is this for real right now like yeah

Starting point is 03:10:12 they're actually licking alcohol off breasts like i believe that's been a trope in music for a while, but I think it's getting like more, uh, less covered up recently. It feels. Yeah. Such a parent way of saying that. The girl should need music video. Sure.

Starting point is 03:10:39 Put some clothes on for God's sakes. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. Hi DLL. Hypothetically, clothes on for god's sakes yeah yeah anyway sorry hi dll hypothetically if the new ceo wants to stop the wan show for whatever reason how would you resolve that conflict stop the wan show um well i think we would sit down and look at the numbers and um you know here's that here's that dashboard i'm not supposed to leak and there's a number for you i think if the new ceo wants to take down the wan show he's got another thing coming

Starting point is 03:11:09 also yes i've done 630 merch messages today nice he just doesn't care he doesn't care we can i'm moving over there set up these like certain like oh don't don't reference this thing don't talk about this thing don't show this thing it doesn't matter at a certain point i almost wonder like would we be better off just like not even telling him not to do certain things because like i feel like it's it's almost like oh that's a fun button to press and it's like darn it well no because he knows it upsets you that's what i'm saying that's my whole point so stop getting upset you're just giving a positive reinforcement he's like a cat i'm gonna be upset no it's not time to play right now oh you're gonna scratch up the reinforcement he's like a cat i'm gonna be upset no it's not time to play right now oh you're gonna scratch up the curtains is that gonna get you to play with me

Starting point is 03:11:48 it's your fault luke you're the bad parent yep 100 i mean yeah probably i don't ever get it come on leave me alone okay next next one next one next one all right same sort of vein um you've been doing the wan show for quite a while do you see that wan show outliving you two as hosts you know for a long time we tried to have other people host the wan show and it's okay but i think the wan show has changed from then and has become less of what it used to be like it used to be called weekly analysis and news that was the joke is It was the WAN show because it was Analysis and news now. It's weekly analysis and nukes on a wide it

Starting point is 03:12:37 Yeah So do you get for showing the dashboard and I thought it was really funny because the name of our show was essentially just Internet Show. Because it's a wide area network show. Yes. So it's become less of Weekly Analysis and News. We've actually formally gotten rid of that name. And it now is just Internet Show. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:13:00 It's Internet Show with Linus and Luke. I think that if we really had to um one of us could continue it without the other but I I honestly I feel like it'd be weird I feel like even if I stepped back significantly like in terms of time I would probably still want to do WAN show because it's just it's basically us just like shooting the shit which we would do anyway and it's immensely profitable these days like WAN show made no sense for a long time it was a complete waste of time but we did it because the community seemed to like it and it's always been fun for us and nowadays with merch messages uh Wanshow is like awesome it's a it's a huge shot in the arm

Starting point is 03:13:47 for um for ltd store uh it's a great way to promote other initiatives that we have going on whether it's like whale land party or ltx expo or company labs or whatever yeah it's it's it's it's kind of awesome right so if someone were to come to me and say, yeah, we need to get rid of Wanshow, I'd be like, justify yourself, right? Like the burden of proof is on you now because Wanshow has been working pretty well for a long time. I don't think Taryn would be stupid enough

Starting point is 03:14:14 to do that, fortunately. So we'll never have to have that conversation, but it would raise serious questions for me about the competence of an executive that came to me and said look i think we need to get rid of wancho i mean yeah i caused some pr uproar or whatever else but you know what they say no publicity is bad publicity right it feels less true these days no wait unless you get actually canceled yeah i i don't and i think i think it would be pretty hard to actually cancel me because you'd have to find something actually cancelable that i've done and

Starting point is 03:14:52 i there's there's there's not a house of cards reference by the way though it would have been very funny um oh okay i get it that took me so it's been a long time since i show um yeah what's i gonna say i there are creators that have been what i would call like half canceled yeah we're like they're still around but they're like a figment of what they used to be a figment they say immediately afterwards yeah what does that mean figment yeah i think it's just like an imagined uh like a portion or something like uh i think you're looking for like fraction oh i definitely was yeah i'm just now wondering a figment is something formed from imaginary elements there you go yeah so that doesn't really work but yeah hey people talking about like how detrimental the backpack warranty controversy was it wasn't

Starting point is 03:15:52 i don't think it was it like that's that's the thing that um like is that the objective numbers were that there was a lot of highly visible outrage, but in the grand scheme of things, the impact was actually nothing. So like, I just, I don't know. It's not that I'm trying to be dismissive. People's feelings about it were valid and I did not do a good job of communicating it. There were definitely errors,

Starting point is 03:16:19 but from like a business impact standpoint, if someone were to come to me and say, oh, good heavens, what if a trust me, bro happens again? I'd be like, yeah. And whatever. Yeah. Then we'll we'll address it and we'll fix it and everything will be fine. Just like we always do.

Starting point is 03:16:33 Yeah. Like that's our whole that's the whole trust me, bro. Guarantee. We'll figure it out. We always do. We deal with some pretty mega fires here. Yeah, that was nothing. Unless the actual sky is falling like we'll be fine.

Starting point is 03:16:41 Yeah, that was nothing. Unless the actual sky is falling, we'll be fine. Yeah, I'm far more concerned about what has appeared to be a significant algorithmic shift at YouTube in the last couple of weeks. We're seeing less sort of benefit from top performing videos for the rest of the catalog compared to what i'm used to like if i look at the last 60 minutes right now of it one oh man wow this is amazing the top four and five number four and number five most viewed in the last 60 minutes here oh no this is 48 hours uh okay let's look at 60 minutes yeah top one and three is this wan show show and last week's WAN show. How is it even possible that last week's WAN show is in the top three most viewed in the last 60 minutes? How is it even possible that in the top 15,

Starting point is 03:17:38 number 14 is a previous WAN show from like a month ago or something like that. What is going on with VOD discoverability right now? So I've been, I've raised this to YouTube, but basically videos are coming out, not even performing badly necessarily. We've had a couple bombs in the last little while, one of which really shouldn't have been a bomb, that server video, redoing the server room or whatever it was. By every possible metric that I can access, click-through, retention, like-dislike ratio, engagement, it was all hyper strong. The video simply didn't get served. And, um, as far as I, and, oh, this is another really interesting one. The I'm stepping down video had basically zero knock on effect for the rest of the channel,

Starting point is 03:18:32 uh, which is not usually how that works. When someone watches a video, it's supposed to start recommending similar content, um, especially from that channel. That's a video that got four million views or something stupid like that in a day and it's had no impact whatsoever on back catalog viewership that's definitely broken is it unique to us is it something that's changed overall i don't know but you know you have to flag these things and kind of go hey this doesn't make any sense and that's not to say that

Starting point is 03:19:05 i'm just gonna you know whine about low viewership obviously we're just gonna do our best to make the best content we can every day and we're not gonna we're not gonna we're not gonna go down without a fight but when there's anything that looks like this or like this always makes me suspicious i also report it to YouTube when I feel like something unnaturally positive happened. Hey, for some reason, we are swimming hard with the current right now. Like this was a kind of a crap video

Starting point is 03:19:36 and it had almost no impact on the overall viewership of the channel. Like it just is going hard right now um or and it just it just makes no sense and these algorithmic shifts they happen they happen all the time right like you'll go from uploading a sponsored showcase that gets a million and a half views to uploading an absolute banger of a unique creative video that gets 1.1 right like it's all over the place and yeah we'll figure it out Mr. Foodrama says my recommended videos past few weeks have been of zero interest to me you know I don't know and that's the thing is that's an individual person

Starting point is 03:20:19 even Google's engineers though don't fully understand how their recommendation machine learning engines work. That's kind of the nature of it. They feed it what they want the desired outcome to be, and it shifts. It morphs. So, oh, okay. Nighttime Astronaut says YouTube is definitely moving against older videos. Zef Frank, Animal Facts, posted about it this week, too. That doesn't definitely mean anything.

Starting point is 03:20:44 It could be niche specific it could be creator specific um what i do know is that live is handled differently algorithmically and so the fact that all of a sudden live streams are just dramatically disproportionately represented in recent um in recent views like this recent the last 60 minutes should be predominantly videos we just published because they won't have uh dropped off as much yet the fact that of these 15 one two uh three four of them are live streams is wild yeah when's the last time we did a live stream other than wanshow why is it that some stupid live stream building a computer from four weeks ago is getting more videos right now in this or more views right now in this moment than a video we published like four days ago that should be literally impossible

Starting point is 03:21:51 especially if that video from four days ago has much better engagement much better retention much better everything you should be feeding them something good but just because they they are completely different um search and discovery teams, they behave really differently. And I can't, I can't explain it. Okay. Here we go.

Starting point is 03:22:15 Another one. Hey DLL, I appreciate how much work the team does to create great content all year round. Has LTT labs always been one of the end goals or vision for LTT? Or when did that really come to be? Man, the five-year plan was like me and some bros making tech videos

Starting point is 03:22:33 and hopefully we can all get paid a living wage. We talked about that a lot. Yeah. I had no idea. I all... I was totally qualified to be a chief vision officer, obviously. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:22:49 I mean, it's a vision for six months out. That's good enough for us. Hi, all Linus. What's the best memory you've made with your Taycan thus far? How about the one where I was actually able to drive it? It's been in the shop for like three weeks.

Starting point is 03:23:03 The first two of which they couldn't even be arsed to give me a courtesy car. I got into it one morning and it just said like battery error or something. I don't know. I took a picture of it and basically send it to the dealership and they're like, yep, needs to be towed. Okay. And then I heard back, you know, relatively quickly, I guess, to their credit, that no, I would not be getting a courtesy car because they would rather give me nothing than give me something that isn't a Porsche. So have them on hand. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:23:36 Okay, sure. Imagine being that far up your own butthole that you would rather say you to a customer than just anyway um and then i heard back that they apparently do not have a it's a bad cell and they do not have a single replacement cell on the entire continent so they need to bring one in from germany and the eta that i was given after the diagnosis was three weeks which i think were i don't know two weeks into or something like that all these don't take these numbers as you know gospel truth or anything like that but yeah i've been driving the volt again so uh cool um good job good job porsche great experience uh you Cool. Good job. Good job, Porsche.

Starting point is 03:24:26 Great experience. You definitely shouldn't have replacement parts on hand to fix your cars. That would be stupid. You know what's really crazy about like my old car? It just always works. Yeah. It's always fine. I mean, it's a Honda.

Starting point is 03:24:42 Yeah. So like. Yeah. What do you want, a cookie? Yeah, I want my Honda. Yeah. So like, what do you want, a cookie? Yeah, I want my Honda. You chose a cookie, so you're our smart shopper? Yes. All right. How would Past Linus, back when you all worked out of one room, react to what LTT has become today?

Starting point is 03:25:00 What would he think about screwdriver backpack labs and all of that? Oh, I'd be mind blown i'd just be in like geek heaven yeah i'd be like whoa i want to work here what i'm doing right now sucks i have to be in the same room as luke i think i'd be really surprised and also not surprised at what I'm doing. I'd be like, wait, really? How did I end up there? I stayed here for that long? Why did I take... That's actually not too surprising to me.

Starting point is 03:25:33 Once we... I bounced around jobs a lot when I was growing up, but I think that's pretty normal. You do a different job basically every summer. I had tons of random odd jobs and stuff like that but once we started on this road i was like yeah this is what i want to do something in this realm is what i want to do and i've known that for like a long time i think we had conversations like a really long time ago well i was worried it would be a retention problem with you yeah because like

Starting point is 03:26:00 what were you going to do just be like a script assistant forever like that wasn't gonna work that was weird yeah yeah it didn't make any sense. I need to what the hell were you thinking? I still don't have an answer for this, but like I saw something I don't know Yeah, I was pretty confident the whole time. I'm glad you didn't imagine it because it could have easily gone the other way It's like Yvonne her bet on Marrying me not a good gamble. I wouldn't I wouldn't tell my kids to make the same bet. Like your parents were right. You were insane.

Starting point is 03:26:31 The fact that it worked out is not a testament to your incredible, you know, divination skills. You were an idiot and got lucky. See, I don't 100% agree. I don't know. I feel like that sometimes. I feel like that sometimes, to be fair. But I don't think it's that I don't know. I feel like that sometimes. I feel like that sometimes, to be fair. But I don't think it's that simple, is what I think I'm saying. Because the team that we had were all insane.

Starting point is 03:26:53 And when you have a group of insane people that are all at an age where they are able to put in infinite energy and sleep for like two hours and then get up and keep going and all this kind of stuff you can make some pretty crazy things happen and like that like first ces era level of effort if i look at a group of people that has that level of effort and that like it's never questioned willingness to input it and they're on a path of a new type of platform or or thing that people are using that is like clearly trending to be the norm of how people use stuff i'd bet on that again yeah but clearly trending is like youtube was going to be a thing oh yeah yes guaranteed at that but okay guaranteed is such a big word in tech. Online video was going to be a thing. But we could have easily

Starting point is 03:27:50 made the wrong bets. What if we had bet big on Periscope? Yeah. Right? We could have stunted our growth at the very least. Yes, but I don't think it would have killed us. You see, like, a lot of the big Vine creators, everyone just ends up on YouTube. A lot of the big Vine creators, a lot of the big Per creators everyone just ends up on youtube a lot of a lot of the big vine creators a lot of the big periscope creators i don't know

Starting point is 03:28:09 how many of those there were a lot of the big whatevers were able to transition over to another yeah a lot of twitch creators have made it over to youtube i think youtube is still where people see the end game the end game yeah sometimes there is a hit for sure but you see like the paul brothers like they came over to youtube from vine i think and then just exploded thanks for that vine yeah like it's it's not the it's not the end of it so i don't know when i see that level of like passion level of investment level of like complete disregard for basically everything except for like push forward as hard as you can in an industry that is like clearly growing

Starting point is 03:28:45 and extremely quickly, yeah, I'd make that bet again. So like, no, I don't know exactly what I saw, but I saw the team and that was kind of enough. Howdy y'all. With the new move to the CVO position, how have you prepared yourself to have an answer to a supervisor

Starting point is 03:29:01 after being the CEO for so long? What happens when there are disagreements? It's going to be really hard. I haven't had a boss in as long as my children have been alive. I mean, in general, I think my management style is pretty, let's try to reach a consensus. I'm probably right because I have more experience in this than you do.

Starting point is 03:29:29 But it's not my job to just say I'm right and then go forward because then we've basically splintered at that point. And to come back together, we will have to undo this damage that's been done. And if we continue to splinter, we continue to go further and further on we can't i try to evaluate you know what the risk is of doing it the other way um if it's not super high allow failure allow failure yep um i i try to or if not just the risk or i try to also evaluate how staunchly each party believes in their particular path

Starting point is 03:30:26 forward. If I'm getting the vibe that they're kind of 60% on it and I am 99% sure, then I might say, okay, you really don't seem to have that much conviction. I think we should probably just do it this way. Or if they are adamant and I'm honestly not that sure, then even if it is moderate risk, maybe we do try to do it that way. It's kind of how I've always tried to do things. I'm not always perfect at it, but I'd like to think that I'm well prepared to continue to manage like that and be managed like that. Hey Linus, we're all putting a lot of hope and trust in the CEO. Since he was your boss, can you share something that he taught young Linus that left a lasting impact?

Starting point is 03:31:11 Oh, man. Man, he was really good at sort of, you know, pushing me to get stuff done. Don't agonize over, you know, every line on a PO. The big picture is, you know, making sure that everything's getting done on time. You know, it's a huge part of our corporate philosophy these days is ship something, right? Like, get something out there. And you can always iterate. But don't just stand still. ship something, right? Like get something out there and you can always iterate. Um,

Starting point is 03:31:57 but don't just stand still. I wasn't always, I wasn't always the best when it came to honesty and integrity. I've always been like a hustler, a boundary pusher. Um, and I'd say that, you know, one chat in particular that Taryn had with me early on about, um, some company gear that I requisitioned that probably shouldn't have, um, really set me straight on that. Um, you know, he, he, he found, he found out I was like using something that I shouldn't have been using uh because there wasn't really any uh financial justification for it for the company i was just oh i wanted to play with it um and he was like hey no one else knows about this he didn't rat me out he just kind of sat me down and talked to me about it and i really appreciated that um no it wasn't

Starting point is 03:32:45 a swingline stapler but good joke i got that reference okay so that's all i've got for curated so shall we start going through some of these potentials sure okay i think i'm gonna go straight from the bottom hey all for growth, do you recommend linear growth or diagonal growth between areas? I am finishing university this year and work in tech. Stability of income and maximizing income seem to be at odds. I don't think there's any one right answer.

Starting point is 03:33:18 You kind of have to do something that you wanna do. I mean, this comes back to what I was saying earlier. Maybe my philosophy is that you should make a place that's, you know, great to work. And that that has a value, because that has a value to me, I would pass a certain point, obviously, you need enough money to survive. But past a certain point, I would rather go do something that is not soul sucking, certain point, I would rather go do something that is not soul sucking, even if it means less money. And fortunately, I found a way to turn my passion into something into into more money. But you'll never do that if you don't pursue something you're legitimately passionate about.

Starting point is 03:34:08 But anyone can end up in a dead-end job anyone can make a mistake whether they go vertical whether they go diagonal right like I had a family member who was you know it's a classic story right middle aged man been doing the same thing forever and that industry declined and they just became utterly unemployable. And whether their experience was broad or narrow, that's a thing, man. Yeah, there's no such thing as a stable job. I mean, just look at the rise of AI, right? Jobs we thought were safe for another 50 years are all of a sudden at risk in the next five years. There's a, there's a fun thing going around, uh, where people are talking about, like, we, we always knew AI was going to take our jobs, but we were hoping it would take the like rough jobs that no one wants to do.

Starting point is 03:34:59 Modern AI is sitting here making art and music and all these like creative endeavors that are more fun for people and it's like gross um yeah another thing i would mention about what you were just talking about is to not get complacent i think making just enough money to be fine um so deciding to not really worry about skill development or anything else, cause you're like, okay, right now or whatever, uh, is potentially attractive cause it takes less energy and whatnot. Um, but is a really, really bad idea. If you look at the modern, you know, how much people make over time versus how much costs are going up over time that is not a fun scenario to be in so you got to try to keep pushing um try to learn new skills try to diversify

Starting point is 03:35:56 your your portfolio of skills so that if ai automates your job or if if your industry becomes irrelevant for different reasons or whatever else you can kind of go with the flow a little bit easier and also try to seek excellence or specializations in some of those fields so that you can have career advancement to keep pushing keep pushing further because life's hard. Yeah. Linus, with you being a lifeguard in your past, did you know or how do you feel about the minimum age for lifeguarding possibly being lower?

Starting point is 03:36:36 Sounds like a cost-cutting measure to me. Did you know that in BC we used to have a, what was called a training wage, which was a lower minimum wage for, uh, workers who were just entering the workforce. I think it was your first, I forget how many hours it was. Um, but it was, it was a lot. It was not insignificant number of hours, but, um, our minimum wage was $8 I think at the time. And the training wage was $6 or like $6 and change. And this was like not that long ago.

Starting point is 03:37:11 I'm not talking $6 an hour in 1975. I'm talking $6 an hour in like 2004. Yeah, I had multiple of these. Yeah. So what I assume is that this is just a way to bring in younger, less experienced people so they don't have to pay them as much. And I will also say that I don't think that most people are physically developed enough under 16 is the age here. So under 16, you're telling me that some 15 or 14 year old is going to pulse like somewhat some deadweight passed out person out of a pool. Are you kidding me?

Starting point is 03:37:48 I mean, Luke and I have talked extensively off stream about things like standards for firefighters. And like, because is it is it known what cold SC is up to these days or is it like. I don't think there's any issue with talking about it. My brother has been trying to become a firefighter for a long time. It's a very difficult thing to get into. Um, some amount of that is like need to know the right people, which is unfortunate, but that's true for a lot of industries. Um, but he, he got in.

Starting point is 03:38:18 Yeah. But some firefighter and he's killing it. But some part of it is also just like um the fact that standards have been have been adjusted to make it easier for certain people to get into firefighting which inherently makes it more difficult for other people to get into firefighting and you know without uh without putting myself you know at risk of being canceled here if someone if i'm like passed out in a burning building from smoke inhalation i want the hugest most like jacked dude to be whose job it is to come in and get me um no question and if you're gonna relax these standards for carry strength

Starting point is 03:38:59 and stuff like that um you better have a really good reason the yeah that i don't i don't care whatsoever about um yeah i i don't think the requirements of what you can do um should should change but i don't care who the heck it is yeah 100 don't care but you better be able to like get me out of there. And not just me. Like that's the thing is when it comes to safety. I think you used dude as like person. Yeah. But some people are going to interpret that as.

Starting point is 03:39:34 Sure. So he doesn't care what gender the person is. I don't care about anything other than whether it's me or like Luke. I'm a big boy. I'm a big boy. You got to be able to, you got to be able to move the hoses. Have you ever actually tried to like carry a firefighting hose? It's really hard.

Starting point is 03:39:51 Like for real. And those are, but those are like, I don't decide how much they weigh. They just weigh how much they weigh. I don't decide how hard it is to uh you know perform cpr on someone if you don't have the physical stamina to do it then you ought not be a lifeguard sorry um they like i don't know i talked about this a fair bit at some point i don't know if it was on wan show but the moment the wake-up call for me when i realized that no, not everybody can do anything they want. Not everybody can do any job, uh, was when I wanted to be on the rowing team and they wanted me to be a coxswain and I

Starting point is 03:40:31 wanted to row. And one of my friends, uh, bless his heart. Um, thank you for your brutal honesty was like, are you kidding me? I'm like six two and I'm barely tall enough to be a rower. And I'm like, Oh, right. No, you actually can't just do anything you want and sometimes there are actual requirements of a job or of uh of a role that are not flexible and to me no being able to carry someone out of a building is just sort of a requirement if you want to be a firefighter shout out firefighters by the way and i'm just reiterating he was using dude in a general neutral i call everyone dude i literally call my wife man she denies it or she denied it until i proved it i was like yeah i call you man all the time because we were having an unrelated conversation and i was like yeah i just call everyone man now because it's just easier i

Starting point is 03:41:19 say she's like you do not and i'm like yeah i do she's like no you don't i'm like i do it to you she's like no you don't and then uh she was like you totally don't i'm like yeah you do not. And I'm like, yeah, I do. She's like, no, you don't. I'm like, I do it to you. She's like, no, you don't. And then she was like, you totally don't. I'm like, yeah, I do. You like security camera catch it or something? And then I basically said, okay, I'll tell you what. I'll point it out next time I do it. Because I don't even think about it. But I'll try to think about it.

Starting point is 03:41:37 I'll point it out next time I do it. It was like two hours later or something. We were on the way home. I was like, yeah, I don't know, man. It's just like a weird thing. And I waited. Two, three, four, five steamboats. Hey, there, I just did it. She's like, what? I was like, yeah, I don't know, man. It's just like a weird thing. And I waited two, three, four, five steamboats. Hey there, I just did it.

Starting point is 03:41:47 She's like, what? I was like, I called you mad. She's like, oh yeah, you did. Didn't notice at all. I'm like, yeah, of course not. Who cares? Yeah. I just, I know someone's going to try to run with it.

Starting point is 03:41:59 So I was just trying to re-clarify. Okay. I got a couple more here to go. Hey DLL, with every tv manufacturer or google tv putting more and more ads in their software are there any good self-hosted ht pc interfaces actually can i back up for a second oh but yes the solution is so people are talking about like lifeguards and stuff still in the chat the solution if you can't find enough people to meet the standards, is to pay more. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:42:27 That's the actual solution. Anyway, go ahead. Oh, my God. That's a great take. Or, or make it a kick-ass job. Lifeguard snacks. Yeah. Lifeguard snacks. So terrifying.

Starting point is 03:42:39 Oh, I hate it. Okay. Don't talk about that anymore. Hey, DLL, with every TV every tv manufacturer google tv putting more and more ads in their software uh the building's about to alarm itself uh are there any good self-hosted can i do this at the same time uh htpc youtube netflix mb plex etc rip windows media center uh man i don't know i mean, you talked about Plex already, but I don't think Plex like integrates

Starting point is 03:43:07 your Netflix account or anything. I'm not really sure quite what you're asking. Did you disable it? I think so. I will go and I'm doing it. No, it's doing it. Mine's doing it. Okay.

Starting point is 03:43:19 You're on the right building? It's still beeping. Yeah, I'm on the right building, I think. I think so. I mean, what do I know? I'm not even ceo anymore how am i supposed to not arm the building there we go it's good i don't know i use plex it's all right nice and last one i've got today hi lld over the years of wan shows i have heard

Starting point is 03:43:42 nods to many leadership models e.gg. Simon Sinek, Infinite Game. What leadership minds have inspired you? What philosophies have you invented? Not going to lie, I have no idea what the f*** I'm talking about. I'm so happy you feel the same way. I read this and I was like, oh boy. I assumed that you would. I've read some books that Wendell recommended me

Starting point is 03:44:06 and none of them have mentioned that, but they've been great books. Thank you very much, Wendell. I am excited to go to Computex and hang out with Wendell so he can tell me more things. I read some of The Innovator's Dilemma, most of which I had pretty much kind of figured out. There were some sort of, oh yeah, okay,

Starting point is 03:44:26 like moments in it. I read good to great i think or like some of good to great which really only seemed applicable to public companies and like maximizing shareholder value a lot of times when i read those kind of books they're either like yeah and obviously yeah or it's like like you're saying maximizing returns for shareholders or like some type of thing where it's like this isn't how we work there's more to greatness than just selling your company maximizing your share price so that yeah a lot of the ones in the tech space are all built around like preparing your company to try to sell it to someone else, which is like, it's not the goal. Yeah. So for me, it's just like, what gets us best to sustainability? Um,

Starting point is 03:45:13 yeah. So if you, if I have any, if, if anything I've talked about bears any accidental resemblance to, um, Simon Sinek, then I guess that shout out, Simon Sinek then I guess shout out shout out Simon for being apparently awesome and I guess shout out me for figuring it out too I don't know

Starting point is 03:45:31 I'm not sure cool though what if the new CEO will stop you from being who you are I was typing your response to that I don't know when it comes to business he like made me a lot of who I am so I'm not too worried about that he still owns the company. Yeah, that too.

Starting point is 03:45:48 And I own the end of this show. I'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. The CEO will never stop me. Okay. Wow. Whoa.

Starting point is 03:46:02 Okay, we need to do something about that. Okay, that's a problem. Oh, no. You can watch it really slowly.

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