The WAN Show - I'm Wearing Your Whole PC On My Wrist - WAN Show August 11, 2023

Episode Date: August 14, 2023

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Greetings, fair viewers, and you are come well to the WAN show. Been playing Ballers Gate? For we have a fun- no, actually. For we have a fine show for you all today, actually. Well, it's going to be a bit of a dramatic show today. We don't normally weigh in on drama, but the way that I see it, the whole thing with XQC and H3 and also like basically everyone else on the internet isn't really drama so much as it is something that we need to talk about because it affects the space that we're in

a lot. And I also want to just kind of talk about personal echo chambers a little bit. So we're going to be digging into that. In other news, CNET is deleting thousands of old articles in an apparent attempt to game their Google search rankings. We're going to be talking about all the things that are wrong and terrible about that. What else we got going on? Bots beat humans at captcha So really every capture that you're filling in is actually just useless you pick that it's a main topic

You pick that over the Yeah, what else yeah fair enough? Yeah? I can't even like I've had a hard time picking the fourth one which I know is a meme at this point But it's actually difficult sometimes I was gonna go with YouTube bands links and shorts but like do i care not really i don't know let's talk about that yeah also the drama because we only talk about drama when it's someone that you've either built a computer for or fixed their computer got them roll it let's go also pokeman ah Also Pokimane. Ah. Love it. Ridge.

All right, let's jump right into our main topic here here's a summary of the i don't know let's call it you need another one sequence of events on july 24th xqc uploaded a video reacting to youtuber lemme knows one hour 38 minute long documentary about the Kennedy assassination. Three days later, YouTuber Mudahar retweets Bub Films calling out the extreme lack of transformative input in XQC's React video. A lengthy Twitter fight ensues, which is very unusual for both Mudahar and XQC. Mudahar? I'm pretty sure it's Muda. I'm pretty sure you're right. All right.

All right. Cool. But I think it is. On August 1st, XQC is called out again by YouTuber Neo for clicking play on Neo's video, walking out of the room, then returning 10 minutes later.

Neo also posted his video analytics showing no XQC bump in viewers. Riley has a note here. Although this was early data and compelling evidence for either side has been woefully lacking in discussions around react content so it's a pretty hard thing to prove i can contribute some of my own experience even though that is anecdotal evidence at best based on data though and from what i've been able to see it does not contribute much i would say it really depends and it all comes down to that whole fair use discussion doesn't it it depends on the

nature of the transformative work for example when streamers reacted to our review of the star forge systems computer that we bought um there was a small i would say longer than usual tail on that video for viewership but we did not see a significant bump when mr beast included our gold controller in one of his beast reacts to things videos there was literally nothing not negligible not uh like three views like literally nothing over the regular background noise of viewership on that series of videos however with that said there have been situations where we have gotten significant viewership and i'd say one of the best examples is when there is a back and forth drama, where the positive feedback loop that is created by that, say, for example, I mean, since it's topical,

when XQC built a computer, I reacted to it in, I believe, a quite transformative way. We cut out a lot of the extraneous content, quite transformative way we cut out a lot of the extraneous content uh reacted with solutions to the challenges that he was experiencing um and like our video was a fraction of the length of his even with what i had added um so we cut out noise we very much transformed the content when he reacted to us reacting and then we reacted to him reacting to us reacting it did create a snowball effect which i think is at least part of where that react community gets the idea that reaction content can generate notoriety and can generate traction for the other participants um and there have been well-documented cases where especially very small channels have been called out by large creators and end up blowing up.

But you're asking for kind of a perfect storm where that large creator reacts in a very transformative way. And also that small creator, in the best case scenario, has other related content that people who land on their channel can then go watch. So it becomes, it turns from your worst case scenario is you give them nothing. Your middle case scenario is you give them a view on the original video, which generally relies on you not showing too much of it in the first place. And the best case scenario is you generate a recurring viewer. And I'm not necessarily going to be saying subscriber because that term kind of doesn't mean what it used to a subscriber doesn't mean that you just have a locked in captive audience viewer it just means that

someone has indicated that they're interested in seeing your future content so that's that's your ideal outcome on august 3rd on the h3 podcast and i'd like to make it very clear that with the um i have a very limited personal relationship with both of these people at at least i have exchanged dms on twitter with both of them with xqc we've reacted back and forth a couple times i was in la going to disneyland with my kids and i showed up at his house and fixed his computer. We made a video while we were there. And then with Ethan, basically we've DM'd back and forth a couple of times

over the years and that's it. I'm telling you guys my entire personal history with these guys. And I want to make it really clear that I don't really have a dog in this race. Neither of them are, are BFFs with me or anything like that.

Um, for both of them, there are things about them that I respect and I'd like to make that very clear. I mean, you gotta, you gotta respect the hustle. And I think both cases,

um, you've got to respect with Ethan, his ability to reinvent himself I think that's something that he's done particularly well but I also think that both of them have had challenging episodes is that a fair way of wording it?

am I getting myself cancelled Luke? I don't think so am I setting any hordes of it might be humbling to say that we have as well. Oh, we haven't. You can trust me, bro, about that. That's a joke. That's the joke.

It was a good one. Yeah. Anywho. I don't know if they were on the same level, but they've happened. So on the H3 podcast, Ethan klein criticized xqc and hilariously also criticized his own podcast co-host twitch streamer hassan who we have also built a computer for for producing low effort reaction content with little to no creative input now this is where things move into what happened this week for those of you who don't get the title, okay, where I've got the GPU on my wrist,

we are getting to that. On August 7th, XQC debated Ethan on the H3 podcast, admitting, basically, that he wasn't concerned about the legality of ripping content and referred to his own YouTube reaction videos as non-transformative dog sh**. The debate eventually devolved into XQC proving that his viewers would watch anything he does by doing the worm, which I apparently have a link to.

So let's go ahead and we're gonna transformatively laugh No, I didn't follow any of this okay a couple things here Um okay a couple things here um First of all that's actually not the worm Someone okay, I have to give I have to give 90s kids will know that is not the worm It's not but I have to give credit to wired rope and twitch chat who said forbidden technique, and I do yeah I think that's fair enough It is the worm forbidden technique Okay, yeah, okay

and Forbidden technique. Okay. Heck yeah. I like that. Okay. And anyway, on the plus side, we got the whole house on my wrist meme, which came from, and again, I want to be very clear that I think both sides have had some challenges here. Oh, okay. We apparently don't have the original one. I obviously think that XQC's dm to ethan basically signing off from the conversation saying and don't forget i've got your whole house on my wrist with a picture of a watch and some nail bracelet said that was supposed to be mostly a joke because it's nowhere near the value of ethan's actually house actual house uh-huh I have no idea I can't tell anymore yeah like I actually

can't tell um yeah okay I don't know I have no idea anyway at least we got this meme out of it so and we also got the title of today's WAN show so there's a couple things that i want to kind of talk about here first of all xqc's primary defense of his content appears oh right i had wanted to clarify um i'm generally not in support of people leaking dms i actually don't think that's super cool i also don't think that was a very funny joke i think it's funny to mock saying something like that to anyone but i don't think it's ever to mock saying something like that to anyone, but I don't think it's ever, um, for a wealthy person to even make a joke about how much more money they have than you, I think is,

um, never in good taste. Okay. So I agree, but does it change it that they're both hyper wealthy? I don't know. Like, if Google is correct. This is a really great question.

If Google is correct, he's got a $9 million mansion in Bel Air. So, like. So, if Bezos, you know, and Gates get into it, and Bezos is like,, and Gates get into it, and Bezos is like, don't forget I could dock your yacht in my yacht, is that a cool way to behave at all? Is that classy?

Oh, I don't think it's classy. Does it matter? But if it's not true, does that make it a joke? Because, and I don't know if, some watches are real wild. Like, I have no idea what the actual reality is. Yeah, it's apparently a couple hundred grand. So no, it's definitely not the value of Gateson's house. And XQC has said, like, I know it wasn't the value.

I know what his house is like. Sure. I was just making a joke. But if Bezos knew that Gates's yacht doesn't fit inside his yacht and Remember there's the context that this is not you know a cordial relationship at this point Right so if well, we know okay. Here's here's a spicy take on that I think I see where you're going and I kind of like it here

We have no idea that this is not a cordial relationship Because we have a lot of evidence Exhaustive evidence that youtubers have manufactured drama in the past. Sure you got the Paul brothers. Yes That's a prime example of that. There's videos of one of the Paul brothers driving up to the other one them Discussing how they're gonna fight how they're gonna shoot it what angles they're gonna get all this kind of stuff and then pulling away driving back up and doing it there are there is exhaustive evidence of this being a thing and What is the absolute biggest thing on the internet for the last like week? Yeah, they all love it this yeah, so like I I Don't know all of this stuff just seems so

I don't know. All of this stuff just seems so fake to me. However, there's stuff here that's more than just words. And that's the real reason that I want to talk about this. Because, no, this is not a drama podcast. But what it is is about technology and about the YouTube space and the inside baseball of the creator industry. And I think the actions speak louder than the words here. And regardless of any drama fabricated or real, um, XQC has clearly indicated that he has knowingly ripped off people's content

to their detriment and doesn't intend to change anything about it. Um, actually I don't think he's acknowledged that it's to their detriment. He's definitely acknowledged that he's ripped it off and isn't contributing anything. Um, so I would say that by just following some basic logic, he has admitted that, no, it is not covered by fair use,

and therefore he is ripping it off to their detriment. That's actually how that works. His primary defense of his content appears to consist of these major points. One, that there's little to no evidence directly showing that React content, even if it is non-transformative, harms the creator. Whether it helps or hurts the original content

is heavily dependent on the content, the reactor, how soon the reaction is posted, audience overlap, et cetera. And that's very true, but that's sort of part of the whole conversation about fair use, is that yes, it is dependent on those things, and your actions do not account for those things. Also, XQC claims that every time he is approached

by someone asking him not to react, he acts in accordance with their requests. However, his creator liaison process appears to happen after react videos are posted, not before. And that is also not a valid defense. If people happen to be home and they tell me not to rob their house, I don't rob it anymore. Like for real though, that's actually actually the parallel that is a valid analogy here so it's kind of ridiculous um one of his other defenses is that he is very wealthy and successful very good defense he also claimed that the current laws governing copyright are

old and defunct and he predicts that the media landscape will eventually move toward looser interpretations. So I guess here's what I really want to talk about. Is it dangerous to live in an echo chamber where everyone supports you no matter what you do? Because I think the biggest problem here is actually not XQC. And I think the biggest problem here is actually not XQC. And I think the biggest problem here is not Hassan or, I don't know, Asmongold. I'm just, I'm throwing out names.

These are not necessarily people who do a good job, people who do a bad job, Asieland, you know, whatever, S Sniperwolf, SS Sniper, I don't know how to pronounce it. It doesn't matter.

The point is, it's not whether they're doing a good job or whether they're doing a bad job it's the way that the parasocial relationships with these people seem to lead people to support them whether what they're doing is right or wrong and to quote one of my favorite lines in faulty towers this is exactly how Nazi Germany started. It's a joke. But also only sort of. I, yeah. I think a lot of people just don't care.

Like, actually, at all. I know that's, like, an unfortunate path forward. But I think it's... Like, when we're talking about community stuff echo chambers and things like that i think the amount of community people not creator people but community people that are against react content is actually very low yeah and i think if that wasn't the case if yeah if that wasn't case, I don't think we would see it be as prevalent as it is. Well, it's obvious that, you know, it's kind of like telling people, like, are you against house robbery?

And they're like, yeah. Like, well, are you against getting stuff for cheap at a pawn shop? No. Yeah. They're happy to use the, reap the rewards of the system. Yep.

Yeah. They're like, ah, this video is six percent better if I watch it through my my favorite streamer than if I watch it through the actual content creator therefore I don't care at all about any impact it's also right here yeah it's it's it's so convenient it's basically being the channel it's being fed to me I don't have to think I don't even have to let the YouTube algorithm think for me I actually just get to let my favorite streamer. Well, realistically, my favorite streamers like content manager or like moderation team. Yeah.

Just pick content for me to consume. Yeah. Um, I, I'm, I'm honestly, I'm kind of reminded of this time that I was in, I think grade 11 and I was a student aid in a grade eight or grade nine English class. And I, I was, I was trying to, I was trying to help this one individual in the class improve their assignment or something like that. Like I was, I was trying to give constructive criticism for how they could, you know,

English better. And she was, um, oops, didn't even mean to give a gender but oh well uh it doesn't really matter there's no way you're gonna track this person down all i've done is narrow it down to one of like 20 people so anyway um so so she basically was upset and felt that she was being criticized um i actually don't know i'm got a pretty good grade in my student aid class that's that's all i can remember from that far back so i think i probably did an okay job but you know i can also be a bit of a condescending sometimes so but look we're are we being real right now or not luke yeah yeah okay we're being real then good so yeah maybe i didn't present it in the most perfectest possible beautifulest way

um but i'm pretty sure i was legitimately trying to help i didn't expect that she gets upset about something and her friends all pipe in and go you know yeah don't yeah don't pick on her yeah yeah she's totally wrong and if she wants to say it like that, then, you know, that should be okay. And I'm, I'm just kind of sitting here going, I don't make the rules of English. Um, this is not personal. This is just, do you, do you want a good grade in the class? I am here to help. Um, and it was one of the it was i don't know i don't

know what it was about that interaction but it has stood out to me for so long as such a such a toxic form of friendship to support someone no matter how wrong they are i had there's there's something that's like scarred my brain similar to to this too. And I won't name any names here, but there was a conversation that I had a long time ago. Um, with, with there, there was, there was two parties in this conversation. Sure. Someone who I'd known for a very, very long time and someone that I had only known fairly recently. Okay. Yvonne, when you just met her.

Neither of you are involved. Okay. This is pre knowing you at all. I mean, with how narcissistic I am, I assume I'm involved in everything. Now that's a reference- Oh man, he's just going for shots on himself. That's a reference to Dan. You don't even remember cracking that joke? They put a giant RGB L on the- L is for narcissist! That's a fa- that's my favorite thing I've ever said in my entire life. They put a giant L on the land room wall and they're like, why this?

And he's, anyway. That's pretty good. Yes. Go ahead. I'm sorry. But yeah, in this conversation, I'm trying to keep it vague because I don't really want to bring this back up again. But in this conversation, the person I had known for a long time was trying to make a

certain claim. And I was like, no, that's just like actually not correct. So they were debating the person I knew for a short period of time yeah and i backed up the person that i had known for a short period of time because they were right not because of a preference thing but because they were like definitely right and after that conversation i got a talking to from the person i'd known for a long time about loyalty issues that i had from the person I'd known for a long time about loyalty issues that I had. And I was like, um... You're actually an idiot. Yeah.

Like, this had literally nothing to do with that. Like, I don't know. I don't know how I responded, but, like, in my own head, I'm just like, what are you even talking about? Can we coin that term? Toxic support? Toxic support? Toxic friendship?

Toxic... Well, I'm pretty sure toxic friendship is already a term, but I mean okay i mean specifically toxic support is probably good the kind of support that makes you think that you're right all the time or makes you think that the rationalization that you've done for what you're doing is is totally cool and okay because it's it's definitely something that i have experienced in my life, right? Like, yes, there's a small subset of our community that is not any kind of supportive, toxic or actually supportive or anything that, you know, sometimes I'm actually very appreciative of

because I definitely do get my fair share of the other, the not support side of things. But the overwhelming majority, even when we upload a video that I kind of look at after the fact and I go, wow, that was actually bad. The overwhelming majority will still give the thumbs up and they'll still post a supportive comment and they'll still support it.

And it would be very easy in a position like mine or like XQC's to see that overwhelming support and go oh well the people who don't agree with my worldview are just haters and I guess what I'm what I'm kind of getting to here I know it's taken a very long time, is that I feel like internet celebrity is getting to the point where it almost, it breeds this narcissism. It breeds this inability to see outside of the echo chamber of people who tell you how smart and capable and awesome and sycophant, beautiful you are. Yeah. Sycophant is a is a perfect word to describe it, except it's not quite like that, because a sycophant is the connotation is more like a subordinate employee or like a an advisor to someone like like an all powerful, you know, governmental official, like a ruler or something like that. official like a ruler or something like that whereas sycophantic friendship i guess is is kind of the the the closest thing we'd have to this sort of this like toxic support that um other people in chat are saying enablers yeah or toxic enablers yeah enablers um i think toxic support is good though to be completely honest should i be grateful to our community for beating the crap out of me every time i do something that they don't like?

Honestly, though, I mean, to be clear, I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way, but you do not change my course nearly as much as my in-person friends and colleagues and supporters do. I think there are exceptions in the community time and place like we were talking about one of our community members is coming up to play softball with us soon you can hardly call rod yeah a member of the community but he also is he is though he's a particularly active participant. He's particularly, you know, he has stood out as being absolutely amazing and awesome many, many times. But he's still a member of our community. Was he pre-Mod24? I think so. I think that was just where we happened to meet him. I mean, every community member is a potential, you know, friend waiting to happen, potentially.

Don't push it whoa yeah that's getting down a however however you know don't don't force it yeah but the point is just that like where was i where was i going with this now don't lean into that too far uh i can't remember the word for it right now what parasocial yeah yeah oh yeah parasocial relationships yeah no that's bad yeah yeah that's real bad yeah um however you know if something natural were to happen i'd say another example would be brian the electrician he was a he was just a fan oh Oh. Yeah. I had no idea. Yeah. But like, super cool dude. We ended up, you know, walking along the same path coincidentally for a while. Got to know each other. And that's cool.

That's chill. There's a bunch of people that work here. That started as fans. Yeah, that's true. Ed. There's a lot of people. Yeah here. So... That started as fans. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Ed. There's a lot of people. Yeah, Ed's an example. Yeah. Um, I don't know if you knew who I was before you started.

I knew of you. Yeah, okay. But like, I didn't... I would watch and s- cause, okay, this is back when unboxings were actually helpful. Okay, wow, now that's getting really creepy. You would watch? You'd watch me what? Everything. This is back when I actually thought unboxings were super helpful because a lot of product websites would not include what was in the box. And sometimes for different computer parts, I would actually care a lot about what was in the box.

So I'm doing a certain build, I might need certain things, and sometimes they're not included. So I would skip through videos to see where you pull a certain part out and be like, okay, cool, and then go away, so I didn't actually like watch the content But I used it it was it was genuinely useful at a time when I was building a lot of systems for people and stuff So I I take the feedback of people whose thought processes I understand and respect a lot more seriously than the community But the community also does factor into not just have what I think but also what those people think. So we, we, we do keep it in mind. Um, so I guess where I'm,

where I'm coming to finally, my, my final point here is who's at fault for this and what can we do? Can we achieve a better balance? Is it on creators to, to foster an environment of honest feedback? Is it on communities to hold creators accountable when they do something that is objectively not right? What is the fix for this? Because we've got a lot of drama, we've got a lot of discussion, but we don't actually have a lot of solutions right now.

Okay, pressure's on, go, solution. The solution that I want, um i'm gonna take a kind of annoying and somewhat defeatist take on but i think it never happens oh luke oh no but the solution that i want is that the community needs to act more appropriately and they just don't so it's like i don't know because the only way to stop this is, you know, vote with your wallet. It's the same type of thing. But now it's like vote with your eyeballs and also wallet. Because people like throwing money at their favorite streamer.

So it's also wallet. But like people just aren't going to do that. So I don't know. And as long as they keep watching, unless the law just starts hammering down, I don't think anything's going to change. I don't think anything at all is gonna change from this debate I think if anything this just brought more eyeballs to React creators. I don't think the law is gonna change anything either I only recently became aware that anything will change syndicate is still making videos

And I'm just sitting here going like how wasn't that guy cancelled off the face of the earth for what happened with him people don't care and if the people don't care nothing's going to change so it's just like I don't know like I saw this drama topic pop up throughout the week and just didn't give a crap because I knew nothing was going to change at all and none of it was going to matter so okay what can we do then can you at least have a not defeatist attitude about that yeah i think what we can do is what we've basically always done which is try to carve our own moral path and we have decided that we're not going to do this type of react content if we do do react content we have certain ways that we would you know hold ourselves to certain standards in the way that we do it and i respected a lot of those like you know like pre ourselves to certain standards in the way that we do it. And I respected a lot of those, like, you know, like pre-reaching out to creators.

Yeah. And we were, you know, publicly identifying how that can be a bit of a problem. Sure. Yeah. Because, you know, creators might feel obligated to say yes, because we're a big channel. And maybe they aren't a big channel. Who knows? Depends on the situation. But like, I, yeah, I think that's our solution is to be good.

To be clear, I said syndicate, not tech syndicate. Oh, yeah. Different things. Yeah. Totally, totally different things. And then like, honestly, if other people think React content is great and fine and whatever else, they can go do their thing because it's not really up to me to decide for them. Shout out Twitch chat pointing out that also every friend in your life is just a potential employee like Joe.

Yeah. It's true for me, too. Look at Nick. Look at Colton. Yeah. Look like Joe. Yeah It's true for me to look at Nick look at Colton. Yeah, look at Joe. Yeah the number of people that We knew already and then ended up like bringing it you know someone tried to get their mom hired not that long ago Which didn't I try to do that at some point? Yeah, someone else okay? So yeah, you're not the only one now which which I consider to be the highest Possible form of flattery the fact

that the fact that someone would you know let me meet their mom and well okay hold on this is getting okay the point is that they consider this a good enough place to work that they would subject their own mother to it that's my that's how i'll word that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I think that's super cool personally. No, I think so.

Yeah, I agree. I think that's good, but Hey, let's all be really upset about what I said about how we try really hard to treat people well so that we hope that they wouldn't need to unionize. Cause we'd consider that a failure. Let's really, let's go after that.

Speaking of speaking of completely unnecessary drama bad person yeah i'm basically a monster yeah and to be clear like i'm sure we do stuff that other people don't like i don't know what it is but i'm sure it exists um it's like or it's nepotism what are you talking about they don't run the company that's not that's not what that yet. Why don't even look at twitch chat okay twitch chat This is it there done. We had in the pre-show. We had a we had a peaceful existence with with twitch chat for a while and then I'd uh You just lost you lost your chat privilege. You knew it wasn't gonna last I think we're just gonna do you want to see something neat, too

I'm gonna start the show with twitch chat From now on and we're gonna see how long twitch chat gets to hang around so this is my laptop pre-show I had twitch open and and partway through the show. I just closed it. It's like nah It's done We were cool for a while. We had our pre-show. It was good that time is over It is past whoever had that in their bingoshow it was good that time is over it has passed whoever had that in their bingo card now would be the time to cross that one yeah there you go all right let's jump into our next topic cnet is deleting thousands of old articles and bad things i am so upset about

this honestly this i didn't even think about this. I was having a conversation with Plouffe from the writing team about how impossible it's gotten to find things on Google lately. Oh, yeah. Like, you can't find old stuff. I was looking for... Here, I'm gonna... Okay. F*** it, we'll do it live, okay?

So, Samsung Jive. I was looking for this old phone that I had when I was in high school. Oh, this is a new result. Twitter. I mean, is it Twitter? Is it X? It's still Twitter.com, but it's not Twitter. The point is, I was looking for this old flip phone that I had when I was just either, I think, just out high school or, or just at the end of high school.

And the vast majority of the results are just modern phones. Google, that is not what I'm looking for. And what's really wild about this is how inconsistent the results are. When we were sitting in script review, because it was the, um, I think it was the one on old phones or something like that. I had wanted to include a reference to one of the phones that I used to have, but I didn't want to include a reference to the wrong phone, even if it was one that was very similar, because I didn't want to say something inconsistent with something that I had said in the past. Right. And so I was trying to search for it while they were there. And then like a week later, I messaged Plufon Teams. I'm like, yo, I found it.

It's the, I think it's the A920 or something like that. But when we were chatting about it in script review, we were both sort of agreeing, yeah, it's getting basically impossible to find anything on Google these days, Yeah, it's getting basically impossible to find anything on Google these days. But what never occurred to me is that it's not just... Oh, wow. I clicked this tweet and it's very useless.

Yeah, that's... Okay, cool. I can't even see what I was replying to. Awesome. So I would have no way of finding this thing. But it never even occurred to me that the problem is not just Google getting worse and just wanting to sell me stuff because that's the first thing that comes up. Images for Samsung joy. Oh, do you mean, do you mean new stuff and new cases for phones? You could buy? No, that's obviously not what I meant. But it could also be the actual creators of this content

not just disappearing, because that definitely happens, but also actively deleting their old content. It would have never even occurred to me. And yet here we are. CNET has been deleting thousands of old articles over the last few months. And when Gizmodo asked for a comment, a CNET has been deleting thousands of old articles over the last few months, and when Gizmodo asked for a comment, a CNET representative confirmed that the articles were intentionally

deleted and shared an internal memo that said that the articles would be preserved by the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine and described the deletions as a way to send a signal to Google that says that CNET is fresh, relevant relevant and worthy of being placed higher than our competitors in search results i'm gonna let you finish but if you think that seo is the name of the game in the modern web you are not fresh and you are not relevant yeah also there's other ways to deal with this like you don't have to just delete all the old content. Even if this was real, you could just subdomain it or something. You could move it somewhere else.

You don't have to delete everything. This is not the way. CNET.old or something like that. The representative likewise stated, this is an industry-wide best practice for large sites like ours that are primarily driven by SEO traffic. In an ideal world, we would leave all of our content on our site in perpetuity. Unfortunately, we are penalized by the modern internet for leaving all previously published

content live on our site. Is that even remotely, like, do you know anything about this that you can contribute to this conversation is that even remotely considered to be valid seo practice never mind best practice as far as my understanding goes no also there's this there's did you read this tweet sorry i've been distracted by other things did you read the tweet from google uh we're gonna get to that okay yeah so like i i've never heard of this being effective personally neither has google apparently distracted by other things did you read the tweet from google uh we're gonna get to that okay yeah so like i i've never heard of this being effective personally neither has google apparently yeah um this is a search this is a this is a great tweet from at search liaison so this is the google

search liaison that says are you deleting content from your site because you somehow believe google doesn't like old content, that's not a thing with an exclamation point. Our guidance doesn't encourage this. Older content can still be helpful too. Learn more about creating helpful content. And then it provides presumably some kind of link. There's a, there's, there's a colon here. So no, Google does not recommend deleting older content though in 2011, they did state that removing older, low-quality content could improve your site-wide ranking. That was 12 years ago. I doubt that's very relevant today. Things have gotten a lot more granular since then. But I think that what CNET might be grappling with here is, you know, maybe this merits some kind of... I'd love to hear from you guys.

Hit me up in the chat with just... I'm not going to try and create a poll for this right now, but when was the last time you visited CNET? Like, in years. Is this just CNET on the struggle bus? At least five. Like, for sure, at least five least five lol no one will answer I don't even remember I haven't seen anything past 2010 yet

2011 15 years I'm on CNET right now no you're not well they might be because of us talking about it I mean mean, that's fair. That doesn't count. Yeah. Wow. Pretty much no one be like, I go there every day. I'm not surprised.

I mean, I do end up there from time to time. Makes sense, though. Never personally. Yeah, I was going to say. Always for work. Yeah. It's always, I need to know something, very surface level, no offense, CNET. I need to know something basic about some old crappy technology from like 2006 or something,

because I'm doing research on something and uh cnet happens to be the only thing that that took such a ad this is this is pretty admirable this is pretty cool but that took such a broad approach to tech coverage that they have something anything about that particular gadget or gizmo um so to their credit, that's definitely something that they've done well. But for anything newer, I don't know that CNET is ever my go-to for the best quality coverage. I have stumbled across good quality articles there in the past. They do exist.

But in general, I feel like their brand has just been scattershot, just try and do a little bit of everything for so long that I don't really see how they can be surprised that their relevance is low. And I don't think their diagnosis is correct. And the main reason I wanted to talk about this is not just to trash on CNET. I have nothing against CNET. And the main reason I wanted to talk about this is not just to trash on CNET. I have nothing against CNET. But rather to talk about how destructive what they're doing is to the general informativeness of the Internet. Like we, as the sort of the Internet generation, I feel like we've taken for granted that things on the Internet are just, you know, there. They're there for you to search for.

are just you know there they're there for you to search for but if you've got companies the companies who who hold who who own the all the historical data just going oh well i don't know maybe the preservationists will hold on to it yeah but or maybe they won't they're certainly not going to hold on to video and so this might be fine for stuff that you're deleting from 2004 or whatever but as we get into the multimedia age no nobody's going to be preserving that and there's just going to be we think of putting something on the internet like we used to think of writing something down and it's not when it's gone it's gone you know whether it's the there's yeah there's i've brought this up a few times but the whole like the internet never forgets thing and then you go forward a few years and it's gone the internet forgets a lot oh yeah oh yeah or just stops caring

one of the two is it kind of both are we just Are we just tired of caring? Are we out of cares? I think that's absolutely a thing, personally. Yeah. So our discussion question is, is pruning content like this actually a good idea? And is this a responsible way for a news organization to behave? I mean, that's another big one. Then again, you know, if this is an existential threat,

at least in their minds for them if they if they feel like they need to get what what is it fresh relevant and worthy of being placed higher than our competitors and search results do you have a responsibility to exist you know like like is it i would again say though that they could just put it on an archive site they could subdomain it they could do whatever if i mean i i do not believe that the thing that they're trying to run away from is even real uh but if it was real or even if they believe who cares right even if they believe it's real there's another way to go about this i don't know all right dan what are we supposed to do next you're gonna have to guide me oh yeah sure yeah, sure. I don't know how to run my own show anymore.

You're a little bit before time. So we're going to do the merch message content and two curated. All right. Yeah, I think what do you do? You explain merch messages. You forget how people do it. And then I do kind of know how to do the show. Yeah. You've also got some new merch and things to talk about today, too.

All right. Thanks, Dan. You're welcome. So for those of you who are new to the show and things to talk about today, too. All right. Thanks, Dan. You're welcome. So for those of you who are new to the show, we don't really do super chats. We don't do Twitch bits or whatever the heck all that stuff is. We do merch messages. And the reason that we do this is we like you guys to get a better deal. We're all for you throwing money at your screen.

That benefits us, just like any other streamer. That is very helpful to keep our beautiful lights on be they white or red or blue or whatever color they are um but we also like for you to get great value for your money and some you know just not even acknowledgement doesn't seem that great and that seems to happen an awful lot in this space so our solution to that is merch messages. In order to send a message into the show, which might show up down there, it might get a response from producer Dan, so make sure that if you do send a merch message,

you do monitor this for the rest of the show. Or Dan might curate it for me and Luke to discuss. And if we don't do any of those things, well, hey, at least you get your order in the mail. The way to send a merch message is to go to lttstore.com go to the cart and then anytime we're live you're going to see a little box where you can fill out a merch message and it will go into the merch

message queue dan do you want to pick a couple to kind of show the people how it works yeah sure i got a bunch here um hey hey we do have a bunch what the heck why are so many people buying things this week i don't know it's exciting i thought this was going to be a slow week. Nope. Hey, hey. What the heck? Is the clear screwdriver confirmed? Any ETA? That thing looked sick.

Can't wait. That one does look really cool. I think confirmed is a really strong word. What it definitely is, is in progress. We definitely want to do it. But unlike the colored plastics that we used for the creator editions oh okay actually that's kind of a different thing unlike the colored plastics that we used for the build your own at ltx the clear plastic is an entirely different plastic it's not it's not triax it's i forget exactly which one we settled on. We tried a handful of different transparent plastics. But instead of just having a different color dye in it, it's a completely different plastic. So the colored ones, we managed to use the exact same mold. Not only that, but we were even able to validate that they are very, very nearly, not quite identical, but almost identical in terms of the force required to take them apart.

So a cold press fit is just as good, trust me, bro, as a hot press fit. So that all went really well. But with the transparent plastic, what we found is that shot in the same mold with all the same other pieces, unfortunately, it shrank, a diff shrunk, shrank. It got smaller and smallened a different amount.

And so there were fit issues with the top of the cap, as well as with the ratchet mechanism, I believe. So there has been a significantly larger amount of R&D going into the clear driver compared to things like the upcoming Noctua colorway or any other upcoming colorways that we might have. So yes, I sincerely hope so. We think we've pretty much got it solved now. So it's just a matter of moving to production and making sure that we actually have it solved because at our scale, we can't really afford to make mistakes anymore that's kind of a funny thing too is like uh the whole trust me bro thing is like also internal you know yeah i just i just

have to trust my engineering bros that we're not going to ship out 10,000 screwdrivers that then we have to, you know, basically just eat and refund because we completely screwed it up and the whole thing falls apart or whatever. Like we, I have to trust the team to maintain failure rates that are low enough that we can continue to survive because you know that the community is not going to let us off the hook if we try and do anything other than whatever's right. And so they shouldn't. That is, I consider that a feature, not a bug. I've settled on that.

With that said, don't expect me to take every little bit of criticism completely seriously. I mean, some of it is, no offense, not very valid, but I'll read it. You've got to filter stuff. That's going to be true for everybody yeah you gotta filter um nipless cage in floatplane chat says 10 000 backpacks with broken zippers that still don't have a fix uh correction nicholas cage it's 40 000 backpacks yeah okay and we do have a fix and we've shown the progress of the fix over no no i'm i'm i don't

know how serious that was yeah no we good we good it's just it's not 10 000 yeah it's 40 000 um and that's in manufacturing that that's coming we will take care of it trust me bro oh good a thing happened that is good. How wonderful. Cool. Amazing. A float plane chat be like, wow, 40,000? Really? Nice. If it wasn't 40,000, we were in trouble because I ordered 40,000. Oh. We have not quite.

I think we're at like 38,000 something hundreds. Anyway, so we're almost through the initial order of backpacks. And we are through the initial order of backpacks um and we are through the initial order of screwdrivers so we are almost through both of the just let's go bets that we made a year ago which has been pretty validating um it's been it's been really great after the amount of naysayers were actually insane like yeah it was kind of fun yeah it was it was like genuinely i i was involved with very little of that and it was still very fun for me so i don't know 100 the amount of people that even would just like they'd reach out to me

thinking that like by talking to me they can get to you to to like get you to stop doing this and I'm like No, like it's gonna be sick. Just it's fine. Go away. Yeah Don't worry about it. It's actually gonna be really cool. They're like I Am very concerned. This is a YouTube outlet making a screwdriver like I don't think you guys know what you're getting into I'm like actually I Think it's gonna be pretty sick. I kind of think we do know what we're doing I don't think we knew what we were doing getting into being a YouTube outlet. Yeah, that's like that's where we excel man It's like We're not really sure but we can try really hard. We've never seen a wheel before but gosh darn it

We're gonna try and invent one. Yeah, the best one. Yeah, let's make a wheel. Yeah Heck yeah! It's even more in the banner! Okay, no no, hold on, hold on, I've got an improvement. We just need this part to come off. Oh no, oh no. Oh wait, there's water in it. I thought he was actually gonna do it. You never know what I'm gonna do, I might throw it at Dan. Hit me, bro.

That might actually break the monitor this time. Oh man. There's a lot of water in it Otherwise I would have done one or both of those. Yeah, yeah, maybe we get new cameras We don't need these are like so overkill. We don't need yeah Yeah, I had multiple people when I was doing tours ask me about how overkill our cameras are including Gerald undone Who did a really great tour of the studio actually before LTX It just ended up coming out around the same time a really unfortunate timing because I would have loved to have him here for LTX

Right, but he missed it by like three days or something stupid like that Whatever No one yeah, oh wow that one merge man. I was one yeah, good gravy. Good merch message. Solid. Yeah. Yeah. Hey guys Thanks for bringing back the indoor hoodie. Linus. Oh Sorry, Dan. I figured it out We released a stupid pin I thought we released more than a pin today. No, that's why the orders are going stupid though No, that's why the orders are going stupid though

It's always the pins. What is with you people guys in the pins? You've got some cool colorways for the pins. Yeah, but like It's pins you get it you get a backpack with your pin With for here $250 pin yeah comes with Comes with three- that would actually- That would be really funny. I need something to put my pin on! I might as well get a backpack! He's emailing Nick, I think. I'm already- I'm already- Yeah!

Oh my god, what have I done? The second he picked up his phone, I was like, yeah, it's happening. Oh my goodness, that's very funny. I didn't- Oh, there's an all gold one. Can you stop feeding into this? That would look really sick on the backpack though. I'm just saying because the all black outside of the backpack with the gold pin. You could do like a silver one and then make like another backpack with like silver on it to like match the pin.

But I think that would be caught like cost more Seeing did you see anybody who had modded backpacks at LTX? There were some really cool ones someone our back entirely took the zipper out To be able to do this properly painted the entire zipper like this is everything orange and re put it back in I did see the painted it. It looked really sharp. It looked like factory level. I didn't look that closely. But from the distance that I was at, it looked really good.

Yeah. I didn't see more than that, though, I don't think. I did see a lot of backpacks. There was one where somebody had stitched a pattern that, again, looked like it was bought that way. I don't remember exactly what the pattern was. It wasn't like a land show pattern, was it? I don't think so, no. Okay, because like it was like bought that way i don't remember exactly what the pattern was um and there was a it wasn't like one show pattern was it i don't think so no okay because if it was i have a story for that okay someone showed up at ltx with a prototype wan themed backpack do you know about this no oh so you don't know about this. Well, I've seen it in the thing Okay

So what happened was we scrapped or iced that project or like it was an early prototype bag that had like problems with it Did they and someone internally? Was like I'll take it They didn't sell it which is good we asked the person person where they got it. They got it at like Valley Village So it was donated But we were we had to have a serious conversation That kind of went hey, yeah, you probably shouldn't donate those for prototype stuff like Immediate family you want to give it to them or whatever like okay, and that may even be what happened in this case

Maybe they did give it to me Remember and okay But then you have to have that conversation with the family member that when you give it to them there if you are no Longer going to use this this comes back to me Yes, it should have made its way back here because it's not that we don't want people using stuff that would otherwise be wasted It's just that that's not final goods It's it's not representative of the proper product quality, which maybe is why they donated it. Because it was an early version. It wasn't comfortable and stuff.

We have a very important question from... Oh, yeah. Sorry, we are still supposed to do a merch. Oh, wait. From Panbish. Oh, all right. In Flowplane Chat, who says, why don't you have even one photo with the pins on a backpack?

I don't know. It's a good question. It is a pretty good question. All right. We know we need to improve our product photography, and this is not against our photographer. This is just, we are still a really small team. I know that for those of you who spend hours a week with us,

essentially, hanging out and talking tech and all that cool stuff, we probably seem like you know like a big youtube company but a big youtube company is still a really really really small company and so our entire merchandising team is maria takes some pictures which is definitely not her job, at least not fully. She does a good job of it. Yeah, she mostly does graphic design. That was what she was actually hired to do. But hey, she does a fantastic job. And Nick tries to write some copy.

And very recently, we hired Anna, who also works on some copy. Everything else we've hired is designers, fit tax, customer service, and engineers. We have one person who like helps with, um, just like monitoring run rate reports and, and stuff like that.

And then we, we use a third party logistics company, uh, three PL. So we're very like, uh, like engineering and design oriented. The vast majority of our headcount

is engineering and design for Creator Warehouse. And then customer service is a huge part of it now that we went through some growing pains last year around the time of the Trust Me Bro fiasco, which was really, really awful timing. So yeah. Top Gear 1224 in Flowplane chat posted their backpack with their pins on it.

So your question of why we didn't do a thing, the answer is because we try. Dang it, we try. That looks amazing, though, by the way. Yeah. Looks freaking awesome. Someone's like, maybe you should hire someone then. That is like such a classic, tell me you have never tried to hire anyone without telling me you have never tried to hire anyone without telling me you have never tried to hire anyone.

Isn't this a whole thing? Like, I'm almost like semi-surprised this isn't a topic, but it's also not that interesting. So whatever. Maybe that's why. But the American semiconductor effort? Yeah. Their issue right now is that they can't hire people. They can't hire anyone.

Yeah. Well, part of it is I think TSMC has a pretty toxic work culture. Oh, does it? Very Taiwanese. Like, I'm sorry, you're not married to us for life? You need to go home? What? You don't want to work here for infinite hours?

Yeah. Why not? Well, because I don't and stuff. Because Taiwan's cool. I want to experience Taiwan. Yeah, well, yeah, but it's not in Taiwan. It's in America. Oh, no, don't and stuff. Because Taiwan's cool. I want to experience Taiwan. Yeah. Well, yeah, but it's not in Taiwan. It's in America.

Oh, no, it's in America, too. Oh, it's TSMC in America? Yeah. Oh, I didn't actually realize that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the problem. Okay. Is TSMC is running into significant challenges hiring outside of cultures where you can work people like that.

It's like not even a thing. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. All right. Sorry, Dan. I totally didn't let you finish that. You ready for your

second merch message? I'm ready. You're going to be here all night. Hey, guys. Thanks for bringing back the indoor hoodie. Linus, I'm finishing up

my basement home theater. Have you been able to enjoy yours and anything that you wish you did differently? Okay. Well, one thing I wish I did differently is that I didn't assign Dan to my sound treatment because it's low-key been a year.

What happened? No, I'm just kidding. Oh, you literally did, though. I did. Yeah. I know. Yeah, but I'm kidding. It's, you literally did, though. I did. Yeah. I know. Yeah, but I'm kidding. It's not your fault that it's taken so long.

I'll explain. We are working on our own sound treatment product, and it's been very challenging. By the way, Dan, did you know we've made some really good progress recently? I have also seen some of the special ones that I requested were made, too. Yeah, I know that you've been having some problems. Yeah. No, we had a breakthrough. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah know that you've been having some problems. Yeah, no, we had a breakthrough. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah. During merch meeting, either this week or last week, they showed me a new version of the sleeve that fixes all the ripples and the waves around the corners. It's not perfect perfect because... Yeah, that was a major issue. A modular solution is never going to be perfect perfect, but it is so much better. i am i'm actually really excited

i'm really hopeful for the project now so we've had all kinds of issues around extrusion of the framing pieces uh sourcing of the foam pieces figuring out how to mount it to the wall in a way that is a easy and be cost effective um and then the the biggest one has been figuring out how to do the wraps around them in a way that is both sealed so that you don't have to worry about you know particles from whatever crap you put inside it floating around the room all the time and B doesn't look like butt and C is easy for the user to self apply so managing to tick all those boxes has made this a multi-year project

that has cost probably too much for how big the market is for acoustic treatment products. Then again, I feel like the market for acoustic treatment products could be bigger if they weren't so horrendously overpriced, which is exactly what we're trying to address. I want them. I would, they're, I'm a target market for them. I just, I would like them immediately. They seem good. Yeah. I was told, yeah, they'd be ready in a couple of months. Yeah. And it's been over a year now. Yeah. So I assigned Dan to do a video,

actually. Well, I think it was going to be two videos. videos yeah so a mini series of videos with me where we were going to um what was part one so we're ready for part one if you want to attempt that eventually you know soon i guess oh that's part one again so part one is just the treatment to the walls just then and then part two i think was going to be with the acoustic treatment on top of that i don't know oh you mean like top of that. I don't know. Oh, you mean like the light treatment? Yeah. I don't know if you want me to spoil it or not.

No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll just talk about the plan. So I spent quite a long time sourcing different types of velvet. So we're going to cover your entire theater, floor to ceiling, in black velvet. And I went to a whole bunch of different suppliers, and I tried a whole bunch of different velvets to find the one that had the best light ablation characteristics in every single direction, because most velvet is like, you know, it only points in one direction and this one had to go from everywhere. And then

because we were thinking about doing this with the audio treatment as well, I sent that over to CW and then we managed to get a massive ream of it from a supplier that we have. So we now have a, it's like a body bag of black velvet in logistics. Okay. It's a lot. I can't hear black velvet without thinking about that song. Yeah. Yeah.

Black velvet and that little boy's smile. Black velvet and that. I's smile. Black velvet and that... I don't know the lyrics. And that slow southern style. Anyway. I can't hear it without thinking about that song. I know. Yeah, so we've got some really high quality velvet.

I don't know how to attach it to your walls. I've got to figure that out. And then, yeah, so I think... Oh, you know what I think we settled on? Was that we're not going to do part one until we know that we have some kind of reasonable expectation that part two will ever happen. I would like to make reference to the part two, you know? So, yeah, hopefully that eventually happens.

Oh, sorry, everyone's ears. Oh, boy. eventually happens. Oh, sorry. Everyone's ears. Oh boy. Anyway. Um, so yeah, I, I regret not doing better light treatment and I regret not doing sound treatment, but boy, am I ever going to fix those? And now that we have so many qualified peoples and equipments, we're going to do an awesome job of figuring out exactly what difference the light treatment makes to the contrast, exactly what difference the sound treatment makes to the acoustics, and it's going to be awesome. Okay, I guess that's topic three.

Do some more topics. Dear Luke, no more Linus singing. Please let him know thanks. I'm concerned. I responded. Oh, really? He will sing as much as he damn well pleases. Wow, what a voice.

You should do a Christmas album. No! Yeah! He's already made a Christmas album. Number two. It was already perfect, and we never need to do it again. You know how new Christmas albums seem like they came out all the time back in the day? Yeah, when's the last time anyone did like a mariah carey christmas did ariana grande do one i think she might have oh

really hold on let me check because that would be i feel like this used to be like all the time bands had christmas albums it doesn't seem to be as big of a thing anymore christmas and chill is the second christmas record and ep by american singer ariana grande it was released december 2015 yeah that's a lot of years ago yeah six original r&b inspired christmas track really six tracks i mean okay um backstreet Boys last Christmas album yeah like there was a lot of different Christmas albums back in the day it has six you wonder why people don't buy CDs anymore it has six tracks one of which is intro at one minute long this is a 13 minute album and I'm not trying to say that the quality of an album is determined

by how long it is i'm just saying yeah i'm just saying that there's a certain limit to how much quality it can have based on its length if every one of those is a certified 10 out of 10 banger then it is at best a 60 out of you know whatever you know some album that had 15 songs each of which was a 10 out of 10 so it's at best a third as good as that one to save you from the internet's ire i think that would be called an ep if it's uh six six songs it is an ep okay it's it's ep it's not an album sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry you will get attacked i okay okay i'm sorry I'm sorry well does it cost less than an album that's up for debate so an EP is just an album that they acknowledge is shit no okay sorry is a value I mean in the good old days they would they would be slightly

cheaper but I don't know I don't know how it works these days i mean you buy each song for a dollar for extended play yeah so you have singles this is we're talking vinyl now you have singles which were generally like one ish song per side he's an lp so you have like three minutes of like physical space to put a song depending on how loud it is or how old songs are so short? Like the Beach Boys? Yes and no. Some of that reason is because you had to play the song perfectly the whole way through in one take. And so if you did a five-minute song, you're going to...

Green Hills and High Tides, baby. It's going to be very expensive, or you have to be very competent. And then you have EP, which is like six songs, three sides, something like that. And then a full 12-inch album, which would be a long play LP. But then we kind of moved to CD,

and now we have Redbook standard, and it's kind of sort of the same. But now it's digital, so you can do whatever the hell you want. I'm going to piss some people off. Is an EP not still an album? It's just a small album? Yeah, yeah, that. So it's like a rectangle and a square you know no they're literally both circles

well not anymore they used to be okay but we're talking about records yeah okay well also a square is a rectangle exactly but a rectangle is not a square yeah right so so they're both albums actually just circles so they are both albums then yeah but are actually just circles. So they are both albums then. Yeah. One of them is a, is an EP. So I called it an album. The other one is an LP. So why does that one get the album name and EP doesn't? I'm just trying to, uh. No, Dan, you need to have the answer to this. Yeah. A good one. One that we will accept.

And you know that we won't accept anything. Someone in the flow plane chat is like, Luke is trolling. I'm like, I'm actually not accept anything so what i'm playing chat is like luke is trolling i'm like i'm actually not there but i okay i've really not even a little because i'm trolling a little well yeah a little bit for sure but i didn't know i didn't know lp existed and now i do and this makes less sense to me now i've heard the term like i've heard ep i've heard lp my understanding i just thought they were albums you're you were albums. You're at the edge of my knowledge now, but I think that the 12-inch... I'm at the edge of glory.

And I'm hanging on a copyright strike with you. I think that the long play actually came a lot later. They used to be teeny tiny, and then they managed to figure out how to make bigger ones. That makes sense because EP stands for extended play. Exactly. So you have your single which is like we could put a song on this before the machine exploded

and then extended play is like yeah now it's the new big we got blu-ray it can hold more song and then yeah we've got the really big ones. I don't know if there was a bigger standard like super extended play but I don't think so. I only know tape i'm i'm not old enough for records yeah um tape is actually in a resurgence right now which is kind of interesting an ep extended play is a short album tape actually

sucks but like it's the worst tape is coming did you say tape is coming back? Yeah, tape is cool now. Of course it is. Because everything becomes retro. When is Dance Mix 95? When's my copy of Dance Mix 95 going to be worth, like, 500 bucks? Well, we're seeing a resurgence in, like, disco. Dance Mix 95 was kind of sick. Kind of a banger.

Yeah, it actually, like, unironically was really good. It's just, it's the same thing over and over again. Yeah, as I said, like, square and rectangle. Like, they're all technically an album, but, you know, Linus was, I think, probably people on the internet would call him out and be pedantic because

it's six songs. People on the internet? I think you mean people in this room. Well, technically, I'm on the internet right now. Oh, God. Man, I was talking to... Oh, I was about to turn him off, but he already turned himself off. We're all good at turning Dan off.

Okay, so someone at MICN in Floating Chats said it's legally an EP when it is under 30 minutes of songs and an album when it's over 30 minutes. Okay, so she's still 16 minutes out of 30. But again, an EP is... I mean, yeah, I guess it's a record. It's not an album.

But the thing is that the record, it's kind of like there's so much space and the amount of music so much space we can fit 12 no no no there's only so much space but you're trying to attribute what is like a time-based thing into space and depending on the type of song and the makeup of the song sometimes they use more space and in the 80s they had a lot of makeup. Yes. And a lot of bass guitar and heavy kick drums, which are a bigger impulse, which means it has to be wider. So the louder the music and the more bass heavy the music, the less music that you can fit, which is why it's a range.

Which is why CD music always sounded better because they could make it as loud as they wanted. And the loudness wars were a good thing. Well, yeah. Both of them had different mastering standards. Holy crap! I'm just trying to make people mad now. We all like sausages. That was dangerous.

Get some sausages in here. I can feel the heat coming right now. People are flying in. Okay. I do need to talk a little bit more about tape coming back though because tape is the that's actually dumb this is this i i actually uh i i i i i'll my cynicism power has been activated um people will get retro nostalgia rose tinted glasses over literally anything because tape was terrible it was the worst it was the worst of

every possible world it couldn't hold a lot of songs even records you could skip the track if you like kind of knew where the other track was yeah yeah yeah you're not supposed to or whatever but you could okay with the tape you had nothing you had nothing you just had to like get good with your walkman like kind of know approximately how far back to go if you wanted to hear that song again and the tapes were fragile and they were damaged by quick play or like by fast forwarding and rewinding them so you would hear a song once and then to treat your tape properly you would have to listen to the entire album again in order to hear it again like it was it was ridiculous it sucked and the quality sucked it was actually worse than what came before and what came after i was talking

to my badminton coach yesterday because um we were talking about the new badminton center and the the gym that we were that we were practicing in at the time and i was like honestly man badminton center is a terrible investment if i wanted to make serious bank i would just take these warehouses strip all the badminton flooring out of them put in racking and fill them with dumb shit that people are going to get nostalgic for in another 15 to 20 years yep like freaking lego sets poly pockets just auto buy a whole bunch of booster packs for card in another 15 to 20 years. Yep. Like, freaking Lego sets, Polly Pockets. Just auto-buy a whole bunch of booster packs for card collecting games. I wouldn't even be...

Because leave them on shelves for 10 years. I wouldn't even be surprised if flippin' Beanie Babies make a comeback after that stupid movie comes out. At some point, yep. No, there's a movie. Yep. Because of course there is.

And then they're gonna do this again. Emma. Well, not that they ever did, but they're gonna do it. Finally. Emma, my partner, after we watched the Barbie movie, she wouldn't shut up about how big of a move it was for them to sell Barbies to adults. And I was like, yeah, like maybe some of it will happen or whatever.

And then since then, constantly, she's like, look at what I found on social media. There's just some new like adult woman buying a Barbie and like crying over the, like they're taking out of the box. They're crying because they're so adult woman buying a Barbie and crying over the... They're taking over the box and they're crying because they're so moved by buying this Barbie. And she's like, they were so smart. Because, yeah, the movie performed really well, but they're selling a ton of merchandise right now. And a Barbie costs nothing to make. Oh, yeah. Well, I shouldn't say that because the clothing is...

Okay. Ugh. The clothing's expensive if you're actually compensating your labor fairly because that actually does have a cost. But the actual injection-molded plastics at the volumes that they're doing are, like, literally basically nothing.

Have you seen the price of the merch from the movie? No. I don't have any reason to care about that. She really liked the I Am Knuff sweater that it shows at the end. That's $87. And people complain about our merch prices. Oh, that's Canadian. That's actually not that bad.

If the quality is good, but I would be surprised if it is. Yeah. If the quality is good. We don't know. What does that work out to? That's like 60 US. Okay. Yeah, our dollar does really just suck a lot.

Yeah, our dollar is really. I honestly assumed this was US, but you're right. That was a, it had directed to Canadian. Yeah, that's actually not that bad. Yeah. If the quality that bad. Yeah. If the quality is good. Yes. Is it?

Does anyone have it? I wouldn't be surprised if at least someone had it. I'm trying to look into how much like a Barbie costs. By the way, I'd like to jump in and clarify something really quick here, guys. I see a lot of people. I've had a lot of people over the years. Maybe you guys can help me get the word out about this. I've had a lot of people over the years criticize our store for only listing prices in U.S. dollars when we're based in Canada and when our buyer is based in Canada because us listing it in U.S. dollars means that Canadians pay a higher price.

But that is not how that works. Our cost on every item, I shouldn't say every item, not quite every item, our cost on nearly every item in our store is in U.S. dollars. So if we were to list a Canadian price, it wouldn't just magically suddenly be the same dollar value, but Canadian because our cost is in US dollars. And so our margin targets that we need to hit are based on our cost. And so our Canadian prices would just have to float around based on whatever the exchange rate is and whatever our USD cost is. So for us, it's a lot simpler to just have a USD price that is derived from our USD cost.

This is a pretty normal experience for me, personally. Yeah, I don't know. There's other online shopping that I've done that are from Canadians that are in USD. I don't know. Someone said in chat, US currency is kind of world currency. Yeah, I don't know. Someone said in chat, US currency is kind of world currency. Yeah, I don't know. Whether we like it or not.

I mean, not if Brick says anything to say about it. Last I heard, they were busy borrowing US dollars. So, I don't know. We'll see. Did we make it to a merch message? Did we get one? Okay. What was it? Was it about pins on the backpack? I think that was the first one You know what's the worst party? You know what's the worst part? Well ever since I was like why are you guys even into?

Oh, right? Yeah. Oh, dude. Yeah, people are ever since I was all why are you into pins? We have sold 150 pins. Since then. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, like over 200. Yeah. I, uh, yeah. Cause I looked away to talk to you about extended plays. Since I refreshed this page, it's been another 70.

So, so, uh, almost 300. Sorry. Go ahead, Dan. Yeah. Since I looked away to talk to you about records, um, I'm having a bad time now. You guys are not doing it right by the way here you go what am I looking at see my god vinyl vinyl CD cassette digital album and the digital album is cheap is one dollar less than the CD well CDs

cost nothing still though because you probably have to pay for shipping if you want the CD. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The final is $32. Hey, it's a lot of plastic, alright? A lot of CDs. And seriously, they're more time-consuming to print, so. What are people playing these on? Cassette decks, I guess?

Man, okay. I need to figure out what, like, the next like will there be real to real will there be it? It's like vinyl for for even less cool people is it gonna be I want one so bad So bad is it gonna be like RCA Lira's creative nomads Is it gonna be like RCA Liras creative nomads? Honestly though honestly first gen iPods. I mean those are probably already Are yeah, I think so Like what's a first gen iPod worth I gotta know I don't think RCA Liras are gonna pop off I mean

Look Luke wouldn't you have said the same thing about cassette tapes I mean, look, Luke, wouldn't you have said the same thing about cassette tapes? I mean, yes. But that's a specific product. I wonder if I can... Hey, look at that. I can buy my first MP3 player. Yeah. For not that much less than I paid for my first MP3 player. five gigabyte ipod first generation 2001 classic working uh is 442 canadian dollars with 14 people watching the bid on ebay pretty sure i have like and there are more expensive ones to be clear

well maybe you could be rich dan untested a hundred dollars basically selling me your e-waste yeah untested is such a load of bull tested not working is what that should say yeah freaking ridiculous oh wow yeah that transparent firewire cable love it new battery okay here. Here's an interesting one. Sheesh. All right. Cool. Going to mine.

It's in GBP. So roughly. A grand. $1,360 Canadian dollars. That's about a grand US. It has offers. Okay. So it's not worth that much.

Is this one in great condition or something? Very good condition is probably VGC, I guess. Yeah. Can I see the... No. Wild. Crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy.

There's lots at around 1,000. I'm sure Dankpods would know much about this. Oh, apparently there's a pricing issue with the pins. Oh! Oh, that's what we launched this week this pin yeah it's the like all the different flags pins i didn't look but i don't know luke do you think i pay attention yeah why is one of them i literally talked about the golden keyboard pin at at length oh, well, I don't know. I only sort of half listened. Oh, wait.

It's fixed. Oh, wait. No, it is. It's $7. Yeah. Yeah. These are sick. So, yeah, there's one cent higher.

You know what? I give in. We're going to charge more for our pins going forward. Get them while they're hot. There. Fine. I give in. Pins while they're hot. There. Fine. I give in.

Pins have a value. You win. Yeah. People internally have been pushing me super hard. Like, super hard. Sarah was the one who worked on these, for those who are asking. All right.

What are we supposed to do next? Let's figure it out. Oh! Oh, bots! Bots are beating humans at Captcha! So funny. This is great! The line, the line between the dumbest humans and the smartest AIs is... Well... Not a line! It's a...

It's a blurry mess. It's a zone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. New research indicates that many bots,'re not just talking like a bot from the researchers Who have supercomputer whatever at their disposal Many bots have surpassed human beings at solving CAPTCHAs Both in terms of speed and accuracy Part of the issue is that CAPTCHAs have had a dual purpose actually It's a surprising number of people that I've talked to don't know this.

Both serving as a deterrent to non-human traffic and training AIs. Research tool. Yeah. Yes. It's been that way since the beginning. So this has led to a feedback loop where CAPTCHAs have had to become more and more difficult in order to keep out bots to the point where they have started to exclude and to deter a significant number of human beings, especially the elderly and people with visual impairments or other disabilities

around 40 of the top 10 000 sites by traffic still use some form of captcha there are some possible alternatives though cloudflare's turn style checks the telemetry and technical behavior of a browser for signs that it's being controlled by an automated program. And other systems look for behavioral signs that a user is non-human, such as completing a form inhumanly quickly, not inhumanly, or interacting with an invisible honeypot element that the bots can see but the humans can't. So, for example, I don't know i guess you could have an image on the page that is all white or something like that under another one or something oh sure yeah because if it's looking at it programmatically like okay so what's your priority here a captcha equivalent that can't be beat by bots or one that is non-disruptive for human users are we all going to just scan our eyeballs

oh eyeball token do you have a i guess okay whatever we might think about sam altman and his endeavors and the issues with just sort of crypto bros running the world or whatever else do you have a better solution than a cryptographic token tied to your identity? I'm trying to find. Last I heard, Tim Berners-Lee. New company, maybe? I believe he's working on something. Yeah, inrupt.

No, I don't want fingerprint verification CH5609 because that can't be changed whereas at least with a cryptographic token i could if it you know leaks or something and i'm worried about identity theft i could i could re-roll i could get a new one i don't want biometric measures not really that was always just a means to create a cryptographic token in well-implemented systems yeah your fingerprints off oh that's still you're the guy who doesn't have fingerprints not suspicious dan do you have fingerprints dan you're laughing awfully hard i uh i refuse to answer the question. Not at the rate he's typing right now.

Hey, hurt. Just burn him off. I don't remember. Maybe it's not the Tim Berners-Lee project. I'm pretty sure there's a project out there that has a different solution for this, where it's like a new way of handling identity online. Yeah. I don't remember exactly how it works.

It might even be the Tim Berners-Lee thing. I just don't have enough time to dive into it properly right now. But I think, in my opinion, passwords are not really cutting it right now. And I know there's passkeys. Someone in Fullplane chat talked about passkeys. I don't necessarily know that pass keys are going to be the end game i think they're going to be the thing that we use for a while i do think they're going to be a thing um they're already a thing in in some situations um but i i think advanced solutions

for handling identity on the internet are going to become a thing and it's going to make this stuff irrelevant um and i think it's coming a little bit too late and I wish we started moving there sooner because you know, if I'm not logged into my password manager and I go to log into something real simple that really doesn't need to be that secure, but I don't want to remember the password. So it's in my password manager. So I have to, you know, type in the password to the password manager and then get my two of a for the password manager or my key or whatever else. then i get that and then i have to find the record of the password and then i have to type it in again and then i have to find the 2fa for now the actual service and then i find that and then

i type that in and then i'm finally in it's like oh my god this is so garbage um yeah it is what it is moving on yeah let's move on to dealing with the own age pwnage how do you get this mouse video issue on short circuit this week earlier today we removed a section from a short circuit unboxing of the pwnage stormbreaker that was inaccurate Because the mouse comes with transparent plastic film

On its feet that we didn't see and when we were doing our testing of the feet We didn't see it so its friction was relatively high because that's Not good. So our video contained the incorrect claim that the plastic wasn't there, because despite reviewing the video footage, we still couldn't see the film until we looked much more closely. The bigger issue here is that our initial correction, which was posted, said, hey, no, it, you know, is high friction, and we did test test it and there were no films on the feet and we didn't do our due diligence to figure this out. I am extremely frustrated for a number of reasons by this. First and foremost, that I first heard about this about two hours before the WAN show started in the social media summary that I get from our community coordinator.

Shout out our community coordinator for making sure I knew about this at all and had an opportunity to talk to people and figure out what went on. And so all I really have to say about it. Okay. And then the other thing I'm frustrated by is that like, this sucks. This is, this is, this is not reflective of the quality of the coverage that we want to bring you guys. So I'm yeah, I'm displeased for those two reasons. One,

it's not good enough. And two, um, I shouldn't be finding out about a significant error in our coverage in a summary, um, that I'm not even like, like added on.

So I just want to say, Hey, massive apology to ownage, um, pwnage. I don't know. Whatever. It's with a P. Yeah, but I've heard it pronounced both ways.

Because the P is Leedspeak. It's a typo. That's the whole point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Pure Pwnage back in the day was Pwnage. It was Pure Onage. What? Yeah. I thought it was Pure Pwnage.

No, it's Pure Onage. Well, then it's an Onage. Because it's pure ownage. Well, then it's an ownage mouse. Because it's a typo. Yeah, because that's the law, is however they called it on pure pwnage, in my opinion. But a lot of people, probably more people pronounce it pwnage. Well, I mean, they can be wrong, like me. That's fine. So, yeah.

Ownage mouse. The point is, Stormbreaker mouse. We can agree on that? Yeah. Okay is Stormbreaker Mouse. We can agree on that? Yeah. Okay, Stormbreaker Mouse. So yeah, that's our bad. Sorry, guys. We're figuring that out internally,

how to do a better job of all of that stuff. We still have obviously a lot of processes to figure out when it comes to multiple teams working on things and communicating with each other um but there's really nothing to say other than yeah that sucks yeah our bad i love how i'm not ceo anymore but i still like get to be the punching bag um what's the problem with content the face go ahead Go ahead, hit me. Okay, I got another one here. Why are you sticking your lips out to be hit?

This is very interesting. So that my cheeks won't get more mashed and stretch them out. I'm not sure about this. Okay, what's next? More sponsorinos we got about five minutes till you're supposed to do sponsors you can do another w calderini says i'm not a sycophant i'm not sticking up for you when you're wrong pwned um uh there's a topic we can probably go over relatively quickly before we do sponsors, which is titled in the doc as title. No, let's make them wait for it.

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Dan, why didn't you warn me? I did, Linus. You said, I know how to run my show. This actually literally happened. Yeah. Hmm. Well, here's how I run my show. Boom.

You're gone. That's right. Brought him back. He has the full ability. That's right. Brought him back. He has the full ability to bring himself back. Brought him back just to get rid of him. Watch this. I'm going to do it again. I think he actually has the full ability.

They see he's crying now. Well, hold on. I've made him cry tears of pain. I was going to say, he can shut off your stream deck. Our duel will be to the pain. I can shut off his building access. To the pain? Our duel will be to the pain? To the pain. Try now access. To the pain? Our duel will be to the pain?

To the pain. What does that even mean? Hold on. I can... I deleted his producer cam button. My button's not here anymore. Oh, well, I can... There, I can make the show just me.

Oh, no, he's still here. You have no power here. I should put that back. It's actually kind of important. Thank you, Dan. It's from Princess Bride, that makes sense. Oh, yeah. Linus is a Princess Bride fan. Always making the Princess Bride references. It really is. But can you really say that it's a great movie if you don't even know to the pain? It's... I haven't watched it in a long time. You've never watched Pirates of Silicon Valley, so I don't feel bad at all.

Good night, Luke. Good work. I'll most likely kill you in the morning. Okay, I know that one. Yeah. It's not quite right either anyway, but it doesn't matter. He's not addressing Luke. The point is not to 50! I don't know that lines always really stood out to me too.

Anyway, the point is you can get a special discount for the WAN show this week. Buy any hoodie and get a free women's cropped sweatshirt. That's right. We're calling this one for one for the misses. You can also buy any sweatpants and get a free women's sweatpants. Just add both of them to your cart and the women's gear will automatically be adjusted to zero dollar redos. Also, we have some items available on Amazon. If you like buying things from LTT Store, but you don't like paying for shipping on amazon.com. I don't know if they're on.ca. I'll have to get you guys to check that for me.

But on amazon.com, you can pick up the screwdriver. Linus Tech Tips screwdriver. Man, I love our product naming. I actually don't know what these other things are, so I guess we'll find out soon enough. Oh, seriously? We have the WAN hoodie on Amazon now. You guys might have noticed, by the way, that they are more expensive on Amazon.

That's because fulfillment on Amazon costs a lot these days. So, yeah. Yeah, shipping isn't actually just free. And then we have a couple of our more popular desk pad sizes. I made a joke to Nick before the show. Do you know the, like, this thing at home meme? Yeah. Free shipping at home. No, it the like this thing at home meme? Yeah. Free shipping at home. No, it's like, do you want LTT store?

And mom's like, we have LTT store at home. And then it's just Amazon. It's LTT store at home. Yeah. It's the worst LTT store. Yeah. But hey, you know, if you have like a corporate account at work or whatever, and that's the only place that you're allowed to buy stuff from and get screwdrivers for your shop or whatever else hey now it's there freaking awesome all right

oh apparently whoa apparently the ltt screwdriver is 230 on amazon.ca that's not right no one's actually linking the actual they're just i don't think they're allowed to post links luke well they're putting amazon.ca oh i guess oh yeah it is there what the heck why can't i find it i don't even see it i searched for ltd screwdriver seriously like oh really have three photos oh well no okay in fairness to the team we do have some work to do on these listings i just said okay why don't we talk said okay now Nick Nick told me that for sure like there's some of the copy I didn't realize there was more

pictures coming I knew the copy was changing like a about the item and some of the specs this price definitely needs to be fixed that is not right maybe it's is it two or something oh wow we have water bottles and stuff too what is this get this out of my way I'm trying trying to shop. What is this? Linus commands line mousepad Yeah, this is Linus commands line Are you sure don't drinking me am I sure yes, oh? Wait, it does it I could have saw okay in fairness to me. I was reading this very very small The else I'm reading it on a screen over there.

What does the L stand for, Lance? L stands for narcissist. Bring you back just to get rid of you. Wait, did you move your spot? I'm so confused right now. No, you're always there. Okay. Okay, bye.

Bye. What are we doing right now I don't know oh yeah the the the look what is this show the announcements you're doing all the stuff

that you forgot to do earlier yeah is there any more stuff we forgot to do earlier no I think that's it okay that's cool do I go back to the topic without a title oh

no I wanted to talk about the the topic with uh with links YouTube bans links in shorts yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so this YouTube YouTube will be making links posted in shorts comments descriptions and live feeds me what? In order what? YouTube is no longer allowing

Links posted in shorts comments descriptions and live feeds in order to protect users from malware phishing and other scams youtube says that they plan to give creators a new space on their channel profile to post important links insofar as they follow community guidelines and i believe we've received some communication about this um i don't know if there's uh if the screenshot that i saw is actually posted in any of the links that we have so i think this might be some internal communication that we have but it seems like they're actually planning on following up with that like pretty quickly so there's going to be an official mechanism for having a link attached that the creator attaches as long as it follows certain guidelines but yeah youtube says that the number of channels removed for impersonation increased by 35 percent

in the first quarter of this year while comments held back by youtube's filter for potential spam and inappropriate comments increased by 200 percent since its strictness was increased in june um jp also says i can report that Clips channel is still getting multiple profile pictures with butts in them every time we post a video. I mean, personally, kind of a fan. Why not? Why not? No, okay. They're bots.

They're bots. Almost every darn time. I bet you that's true. I think there are people tacky enough to have a nude butt in their profile picture. There's got to be some of them. Yeah. Horny on main. Yeah.

It's going to be a bot most of the time um this this move is likely to be an issue for small creators who make most of their money from revenue streams outside of youtube unless unless the link follows community guidelines like i'm sure if we had a link that was to LTT store, it would actually follow the guidelines. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. I think that there is a little bit of context kind of missing here. So here's a Twitter thread that I thought was particularly instructive. Wait, why did I bring Twitch chat back?

Why did I even do that? It's like a reflex. Whenever I set up my screen, I just set up all my things. No, Twitch chat, you're done. You're done for the day. You're in timeout. Oh. So Hippio says, YouTube is removing linking from Shorts.

This is a huge problem for tech YouTube and will kill many channels. I don't know that I necessarily agree with that. I think kill many channels is probably a little bit um alarmist but sorry one sec can i interject you sure can actually somewhat important what you're referring to as linux is in fact gnu slash linux or whatever yeah go ahead the the screwdriver on amazon.ca is not uh sold by us oh it's sold by a third-party reseller called poppy store uh even if you did want to buy it for 230 which you shouldn't do um apparently there are issues where they're not necessarily getting fulfilled and stuff so okay so don't buy that one it might literally just be a scam

so um it i i thought it was more clear back in the day that it came from a reseller. It's like very small fine text under the Add to Cart on the right-hand side. So be careful about that. I don't shop on Amazon anymore, so I didn't know to look for that. But it was pointed out by Handyman and probably some other people as well in Fullpoint Chat. Nick probably messaged me. Thank you for pointing that out. He did.

Good job, Nick. So still no official response from Team YouTube and YouTube Liaison. The change needs to stop or be amended to allow verified creators to post links. This is literally the worst change ever. So, Rene Ritchie, who former tech YouTuber, now YouTube Liaison, basically replied saying, Okay, been responding all day. I've been a tech YouTuber since 2008. I feel this category acutely. I totally get that it complicates things for sponsors and affiliates, but it's also the same now as Instagram reels and TikTok and creators have been able to

work on those platforms for years already. But here's the thing. Yeah, this is a really good point from Lon Seidman. Renee. Oh, what happened to my laptop? Renee, how does equating YouTube to Reels and TikTok have any relevance to this discussion? I consider them subpar compared to YouTube, especially from a revenue perspective. That's the thing, YouTube.

Hey, Lon's on's on flipping by the way oh actually i didn't know that yeah cool that's the thing youtube you can't just point at other crap platforms that have crap monetization policies for creators and say well that's how they do it you guys are the leader in the space it's on you guys to figure out a better path forward what what tiktok is now our shining example of how to engage with the creator community no really you are supposed to be you were the chosen one don't screw this up not being able to link on your content is bad alan mandik says tiktok Mandic says TikTok and Instagram creators will tell you they want those platforms to be more like YouTube. Nobody wants it the other way around

because what it does is it basically trashes the conversions and the effectiveness of your library of back catalog content. And that has been YouTube's message to creators over the years. I mean, I can't say decades yet because we're not quite there yet but pretty much since the beginning you know decade and a half at this point YouTube has said yeah YouTube has said build evergreen content make great evergreen content and viewers will come and that's what what we're doing. You can't, you can't rip away one of the tools that we have to monetize it. So yeah, I, I don't necessarily agree that this will suddenly kill channels, but then you know what, before I, before I triple down on saying something that's potentially wrong, I will have

to admit that I don't know a ton about monetization in the shorts space. I do know that AdSense is not particularly significant. So yeah, maybe sponsors on those individual shorts are a huge part of how these folks keep their heads above water. In which case, everything I just said times some multiplier of importance then. This is a really bad thing. You can't multiplier of importance then this is this is a really bad thing you can't be like tiktok and instagram if anything i think that youtube needs to adopt an even more permissive approach to linking for trusted accounts like i know that this is not popular at youtube i i actually i get it having trusted accounts feels like all of a sudden they're the arbiters of, you know, what is truth.

And I know there's a lot of sensitivity around that, even if at times they have taken a position like with, you know, moon landing or like flat earth conspiracy videos or whatever the case may be. But you can't tell me that some random just created account should have the right to post, you know, their telegram phone number and my comments. But I, an established content creator with an account that's been on the platform for over 10 years with thousands and thousands of videos with literal billions of views, shouldn't have a higher level of trust to the point where, no, I can just post a link. of trust to the point where, no, I can just post a link. With that said, from a security standpoint,

large accounts can be hijacked, can be breached. Happens all the time. Happens all the time. And so we've got to look at this from YouTube's perspective as well. I just, I mean, I've run through what I think are a pretty solid set of mitigations that they could put in place for that. I don't know how much, if any of it has been implemented or is even being worked on at this time. It's not something that I've really had the time or wherewithal to follow up since then. But I don't think, I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't really think that's a valid excuse.

Fix the account breaches because locking down our inability to, you know, link to LTX Expo in the description of a short, for example, where we announced LTX Expo, that, that ain't, that ain't the solution. Um, and I don't. Maybe allow it for accounts with advanced Google account security. Cause that is a thing that you can turn on sure yeah but but create a path like create a valid a valid way to deal with this um yeah i guess yeah i guess that's pretty much all i have to say about that i thought i kind of thought i i think said some other things in the chat earlier.

This is a bit off topic, but I think you should check in on the pin sales. You just take a little peep. Are people memeing? Help. Help me. You know what's really funny is I think it was last WAN show that I was talking about our independence as a media outlet and how powerful it is that I can just say buy screwdrivers and people will buy screwdrivers I think what I'm discovering is the most powerful thing I can say is don't buy them yeah test post please ignore

most clicked on post ever it's the same type of thing yeah that's true that's on the forum that's actually a thing on the forum that the traffic was wild yeah um okay yeah no i had a couple things in here um oh man oh yeah okay aside from just being allowed to post links i i have an open case with youtube right now over the way that creator comments on your own video are not elevated properly. So I sent them a screenshot showing how on the QuadFX video, the person who lent the board to us responded to some of the things in the video, some valid critique, some I don't agree with, or it didn't match our experience with the board or whatever else. The point is that person posted a bunch of stuff big block of

text had a bunch of upvotes and i responded to it in line kind of responded to every everything that was said on mobile my response was not only below the fold but it was actually not visible there was no see all button that was present so that i like i thought my comment wasn't showing on my own channel so i have to whip out my laptop i'm like camping i pull out my laptop and go okay because it's got you know a thousand upvotes or something like that so i wanted to respond to it so people were at least seeing that we're dealing with it and no i was below the fold it was posted but it was like way down and i'm looking at it going holy shit you guys under my comment is is just this barrage of comments from people who obviously

had no awareness whatsoever that i responded to it that's's important. When there's something in the content that creates a really strong community reaction and the creator responds to it, that response needs to have visibility. You can't just bury it below the fold. And I've noticed a number of things like this. For example, like when I heart a comment, that doesn't necessarily mean

that it will get any kind of prominence. So, you know, if someone asks a question like, oh, did you guys remember to turn off debounce? You know, say for example, on the Filthy Frank mouse video. No, we didn't. So then what i would like to be able to do is heart that question heart my response to it and make sure that as people scroll down into the comments they see it for sure thinking oh maybe you did they will just see that but it doesn't it doesn't work and you know what the really funny thing is about it is i will go on other creators videos where it's like something really controversial or it's right after they did something really stupid and they're like kind of canceled right now and it'll all just be their hearted comments because i know that creators

use these tools to um suppress backlash and criticism if you heart so many things it just like like carpets the entire comment section. Yes. So once again, I'm saying, look, I can see that obviously there is the potential for abuse with these tools. But I also need to be able to guide people to information. I mean, you took away my ability to annotate videos. I can't put a text box on something anymore that says, oh, hey, just so you know, we did have debounce at the lowest setting. I can't do that anymore. So what am I supposed to do now then? I can't even make sure that if I respond to something, people have any hope of seeing it.

Yeah. And I know this isn't quite the same thing, but it is along the same lines where I expect long-time creators to be able to build trust with the platform that's what i'm asking for would you prefer another button so you can have like a heart one which maybe it boosts it a bit but it's mostly a communication of like creator like and another one where it's like i'm pinning someone else's thing that's tough because that's what heart is already supposed to be yeah yeah right yeah and so you just want heart to work the way it's supposed yeah i just want heart to actually work that would be great yeah fair enough like man i had this one time we collaborated with

someone and they left a comment i hearted it and nobody could see it it didn't get like any upvotes can you pin because i know you can Well, we might have a sponsor. We might have an obligation to pin the sponsor stupidly. You can only pin one thing? Yeah, you can only pin one thing. Got it. So, yeah, it's really frustrating. Yeah.

And, yeah, this creates attack vectors for bad actors. Not every creator even has your best interests at heart, right? Oh, man. I heard from Buddy. You know the gambling? even has your best interest at heart right like oh man i heard from uh buddy you know um you know the the the the the the gambling gambling expose creator yeah um their name is apparently pronounced jeff so yeah so that's the thing that i learned from their twitter profile i don't even think there was a j it doesn't matter okay there's no J in G o F F either. Oh

Mind you oh boy. We're gonna get spicy. Are we that's not Jeff. That's G off G off Sorry, I always say it G off in my head Anyway, um, oh shoot what were we talking about? Oh crap. This is really bad. Anyway, I heard from Jeff Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right And he was saying that he wanted to clarify something because I had used the word I had used the word betting kind of interchangeably with gambling. Okay, and he's like it's not betting because there's no Like there's there's no contest that you are putting money on. You are just gambling. Which is really...

That makes sense. So he drew a distinction. And he also wanted to flag that it's a huge percentage of creators that are participating in this stuff. And he's done some undercover So, you know, you know what? I finally signed into my Twitter account on here. So I actually have the DMS right there Okay, so there was a couple of things that he wanted to clarify One it's not betting but pure online slot games that we're talking We're talking roulette slots stuff like that the most addictive form of gambling so this would be the differentiation with something like poker yeah i'm assuming and

they promote it as a way to upgrade your skins which is basically to get rich um two youtube is also plagued the content creators as you can imagine um they'll play and they'll promote it but also directly in the in youtube ad sense the very video that he made exposing the issue had ads popping up for the websites he was attacking. And I wonder if CPM goes up for that, which is wild. Um, because if that's in the financial bracket, your CPM is going to be cranked and he's really frustrated because he says he's tried every possible way to get in touch with YouTube and they're either, he's either too small or they're will willingly ignoring this.

I've asked him to send me an email and I will escalate it to my contacts. It is against their TOS. Um, and so he says right now, 80 plus percent of the creators, some with two to 3 million subscribers are uploading full videos dedicated to this stuff. Um,

like gambling, a sponsored balance on slot games, et cetera. And they send everyone to join them. Uh, a sponsored balance on slot games, etc. And they send everyone to join them. They use promo codes. Anyway, he's like real upset about this and should be because it's really crap in summary. So I just wanted to give you guys a little update from Jeff on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. on that yeah yeah

moving on yeah I'm just looking at who you're responding to in in floatplane chat no key okay one yeah that looks really really familiar I think I see that's the it's the all the time no it's the timestamp guy. Oh, that's why yeah. Yeah. Yeah awesome. Yeah, that's up no key Yeah anyways It's like I see this name all the time. I know the profile pic. It's just I have like a really visual Yeah, kind of memory. It's the out of context thing. Yeah, if you saw it in YouTube Comments, oh yeah, yeah, even if it was like a different comment. I'm sure you get it we comp no keys floatplane subscription Well, I don't think so which I don't know if you saw that message

I said by the way contact customer support screenshot this message. Okay, you're on a plane Yeah, because the second I saw him in here. I was like holy crap is no key paying for like that should not be Yeah, no, we got you so yeah we'll handle that no problem just making sure yeah cool uh okay sorry what dan merch messages three of them oh yeah hit me three merch messages evening gents with the ever-growing responsibility of ltd size what's a recent opportunity you took to be creative even though it didn't make the most financial sense the The lab? I mean, it's not really... There's so many examples.

Yeah, we do a lot of dumb stuff around here. Because we can. Yes, yeah. I'm still stuck in 2008. Thanks, Obama, your slogan. It just plays over and over and over again in my head yes we can yes we can yes we can yeah no you can't yes we can we can do anything honestly a huge amount of this i would even say is is like starting the company i think was that effort and then it just like

worked out really well. But like. Oh man, the secret shopping our sponsors was a huge risk. What do we have to gain? Yeah. Like f***ing nothing. Yeah, if anything, there's only a chance of bad. Yeah. I mean, there is the chance of the perceived, you know, oh, taking their sponsors to task or whatever else.

But the number of people that are just going to cynically say, oh, well, this makes it worse or something. They only cherry pick them or whatever else. I mean, people did, right? What more can I say or do at this point? I feel like a lot of the criticism that we take is because we're transparent. Hippiotech is in full-plane chat.

Oh. Okay. Oh, okay. I just want to point out that YouTube is removing links and shorts to push their own shopping affiliate program and steal creator affiliate revenue okay, so I want to talk a little bit about affiliate programs and YouTube because this has been a This has been a bug in my bonnet for a long time the correct way for YouTube to implement shopping would be for creators to be able to inject their own affiliate program links but because of just i don't know some kind of silicon valley

butthurt that exists between google and amazon they pretty much don't allow the platforms to talk to each other so there's no way to just have a convenient way that people can shop for the products that you're featuring in your video on Amazon. So I guess you guys are posting affiliate revenue under, or you're posting affiliate links under the videos and then you're relying on that affiliate revenue. Okay. That makes, that makes a ton of sense to me. Um, yeah. So if it helps at all i have not gotten anywhere with this either man um i i have told them for years you guys need to build a great platform that creators love to engage with and then over the long term i would love to see you build out google shopping or whatever else in such a way that it is that it is tightly integrated and doesn't take away from what creators are able to make on their own.

But instead, they've just dragged butt, dragged butt, dragged butt, dragged butt, refused to implement something that's good and is purely beneficial to creators. And I can see now that they're just trying to cram their crappier solution down our throats. I mean, it's always been like this. Every time they just take another inch,

another inch, another inch. Did you know we used to be able to have branding all along the top and all around down the side of our channel pages i was trying to find this before uh we talked about it today but do you remember when ed did a really nice redesign for the tech quickie channel page that had like this really cool like kind of flat uh but like colorful like headphones and like tech parts and stuff like that and you used to have like a little banner spot and like tech parts and stuff like that. And you used to have like a little banner spot that we used to sell up at the top and you could actually click it. It could link somewhere. I couldn't find it. It might've been deleted, which is a shame

because I liked pulling that out every once in a while to see like, Hey, remember when YouTube channel pages used to look like this? Anyway, yeah, they took that away. Sorry. You just reminded me. One of the nights that I had all my developers here, some of the labs guys were asking about some of the history of development on Flowplane. And we went down a pretty crazy rabbit hole because AJ and I were both there. So we went down a pretty crazy rabbit hole. And I found, you'll probably remember these, down a pretty crazy rabbit hole and I found, um, you'll probably remember these, the, the, like,

I think it was 18 days in video that I released internally that was distributed through my YouTube channel as an unlisted video that we only distributed internally that showed you how to log in to the upload video dashboard and how to copy the embed code onto the forum. Like we found the video for that. And then the video that was, I think less than a year later that shows floatplaneclub.com and it shows the upload process on there. And then how you still, because floatplane.com wasn't out yet,

copy the embed code from there and over to the forum, but how improved that was and how it like brought over a download button and like all this other kind of stuff and that was a a trip i haven't seen those like since i made them and it showing the usability of this the the forum and the the original transcoding backend site that we had. And then the forum and the Flowplane club site was, was wild. I have a bunch of screenshots. I've always been pretty screenshot heavy,

but having the videos was very cool. It's kind of amazing the way the human brain just normalizes whatever's in front of it and forgets that anything was ever any different. I have this problem with Jaden. So Jaden will, he does a lot of front-end work for flow plane He does evil right now. He does all of it, and he does the apps He'll show me something on like the beta site

I'll be like look at this like cool new thing that I did and I'll be like It looks like what do you mean like what's different and I have to get him to bring up the previous one and I'm like Whoa, okay, the new one is awesome But it like he keeps a lot of the the design language which just makes it a lot better so it doesn't really look that different and then you see the new one and it's like oh wow cool yeah anyway sorry that was a bit of an aside but it was uh it was a wild trip to to go back and see those things hippie attack if it at all, I know how you feel. I don't,

um, I don't have a solution for you right now. He says, I've got over 200 shorts in my backlog that generate about 30% of my revenue. And with the change, all of that will be gone overnight. Like I have actually been there, um,

when Amazon ripped away our affiliate program, that was exactly how I felt. And I, I hope you have the same outcome but i have to tell you i have pushing back on things like not just removing the dislike button from the public facing site but the way that they've obfuscated access to like dislike ratio for mental health reasons from creators and stuff like that they are they're not they're not doing things based on what's good for the platform or what's logical or reasonable sometimes.

They're doing things based on, I don't know. I just don't really know what to tell you. I mean, frankly, this move seems logical for the platform, but in like a really, um, like, like us first, um, forget about what the creators need kind of way. I, yeah, I, I don't know, man. I, um, I'm, I'm really sorry. I, I, I, yeah, it's, it's a funny thing I I like I finally I finally learned how shorts YouTube actually makes money because I haven't been able to figure that out like we I don't know if you guys notice we've basically stopped uploading shorts because as far as I could tell it was a loss leader for us like we lost money on every single short we uploaded every single one and it just

doesn't it doesn't make any money it monetizes at something like i think 140th the rate of vod content per view what if you just used a url shortener and then now i finally figure it out and youtube's rug pulling it i i know this would not be as good to be very clear before i say it but what if you use a url shortener and then just put it in the video? Well, remember when we used to... Remember when we... Oh, no, because people won't type something. Even asking people to scroll down and click something is an enormous burden.

Your conversion rate goes down exponentially for every user interaction you're expecting. Yeah, it's just not possible. Remember we used to use a service that would, like, redirect people according to where they came, or according to the Amazon store in their Genius Link. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I could see having a single link that, like, I don't know, you'd need, like, a browser extension

that, like, checks the last video they watched. And then, like, if they click on the link on your channel, it sends them like the right thing for that i don't man i don't even know oh yeah that's that's hard that's tough a qr code yeah but a lot of people watch on their phone so like what are they how are they gonna and like honestly i can tell you guys a qr code is like don't feel like it for me yeah a lot of the time unless it's like a menu at a restaurant or something like Bixby Vision or something like what's that oh apparently

you might not even be able to have them in the videos anyways I don't know rough that's really frustrating speaking of rough topic transition no we're merch messages we still have two more merch messages to get through. Hey, DLL, been a fan for five years now. I was wondering...

Why only five? Yeah, honestly. Well, we didn't do cool stuff before that. Work harder. Yeah. Disappointed. I was wondering if you were put in charge of the distribution of the new federal internet infrastructure funding, how would you want to do it what about rural sorry what you're put in charge of the distribution of new federal

internet infrastructure funding what you doing wow that's actually kind of a cool question we're in charge man rural's tough because it's like from a from a dollars and cents uh uh roi standpoint it's low but from a you know democratic developed country standpoint it's necessary people should have a modern standard of living whether they're in rural nebraska or whether they're in rural Nebraska or whether they're in, you know, urban LA or New York or whatever the case may be. So yeah,

I don't think there's any question. In fact, the U S federal government even knows that and did give the telecoms money for that. They just, they just blew it on like didn't do it. Hookers as far as we can tell. Yeah.

Oh wait, we found a loophole. That's just not. We don't have to. Screw it. Another one? Oh, we didn't really answer it. Yeah, rural.

You have to. What choice do you have? It's the right thing to do. Just focus on rural. That's probably an interesting idea, actually. I'll read the start. I don't want to be that guy i'm probably gonna get a lot of heat for this but i honestly think most like suburban internet

these days is like pretty darn good 10 gig i don't think most of it's 10 gig no we've uh we've talked about it it's really regional though a lot of parts of the states are going to have their regional telecos that have a monopoly i'm thinking thinking of this. Yeah, but they use the word federal. We don't use the word federal here. Yeah, fair enough. So I assume they meant America. Actually, no. Do we use federal?

We do. Yeah, we do. Hold on. Provincial and federal. I thought we had another word. I think we use federal, though. You might be right. I was pausing for a second because I was thinking.

I thought you might be right, but I don't think second because i was i was i was thinking i thought you might be right but i don't think you're right i think we use federal and provincial yep yep you're right i don't know why i had my wires crossed on that yeah anyways so it could be canada okay this next one's for luke what's up what notes does starfield need to hit for it to be a success for you uh i i think i think there's like the things that i'm concerned about so a direction that fallout 4 moved in in opinion, that was not good. Fallout 4 was still a good game, in my opinion. It just was overshadowed by all of its older brothers. But a path that it went down that I did not like was that it was significantly more on rails than the previous games, in my opinion.

Also, the, like, a settlement is under attack was far too much. The thing that I like about Starfield is I think a lot of the exploratory stuff, there's a Todd Howard conversation where he's talking about how, like, I think it's only 10% of the planets are populated,

but there's, like, some crazy amount of planets. So if they were all properly populated, that would be like kind of crazy and also not space-like. So I like the idea of landing in desolation sometimes, knowing that you're going to do that, being potentially first boots on the ground, exploring a place, finding that maybe there are rich resources,

but this is like a highly hazardous environment which is why no one lives here but then fighting through the elements to set up some type of small operation so you can extract those resources do whatever um i want to feel like my small team and i are like kind of like extreme experts in whatever it is we're doing and we're cruising around doing cool stuff and I don't necessarily want to be super guided because whenever I feel super guided in open world games like that I feel like they're bad so if it if it makes me feel like any form of Firefly type vibes it's going to be awesome that's pretty much it I don't know hopefully that answers the question

I just wanted to respond to something on the subreddit real quick here I'm just trying to find it Linus should edit a video today. The social media team posted the last video that I did the editing for. Do you know? No. It was the Corsair tramp stamp logo thing.

I modded a keyboard to put a classic Corsair logo on my tramp stamp modded keyboard. When was the last one I did? Longer ago. Yeah, yeah. And one of the comments was that Linus should edit a video today to see if he can uphold the quality of today's video. No.

No. Okay. Yep. We can move on. There it is. Oh. Is that up to date, Dan? Do you even keep the thing up to date?

It is. No, he just put that up there. I don't believe you. Lies. That's the face of a liar. Two unidentified men walked off with a pallet of boxes as vendors set up for... Is he actually going to come hit me?

It seems possible. He picked up a big 40-ounce water bottle. A 64-ounce water bottle. Is he going to strike me with it? I thought for a second he was going to come try to beat you with your own merchandise that you can buy on lttstore.com. So tell me something. He's on your team.

Yeah. Which side do you take? If he physically assaults you. Yeah, if he attacks me. Well, you're... No, you're not. Yeah, I'm not your boss. You own the company, though.

I'm your boss's boss. Yeah. But I'm not your boss. You own the company, though. I'm your boss's boss. Yeah. But I'm not your boss. But that's sort of how that works. Not really, though. I think so. I'm not sure. Because it flows through.

I don't know if that one does. I think it does. The owner of the company everyone is beholden to. But I'm also not the owner of the company. Okay. I'm a shareholder. 51% stake. So I have actually spoken with Yvonne about that.

And I basically said, look, that was stupid. Yeah, it was. I will sign any document you put in front of me for whatever share you think is right. And I am now. I feel like she's not this type of person but I would love if she took 51% I am now I'm stating it publicly so that you know while no document actually exists I have

declared publicly my intent that she can have whatever percentage of it that she wants so my shareholder stake is now Schrodinger's shareholder stake well no it'sdinger's shareholder stake. Well, no, it's not.

It's 51% until a document shows up and you sign it. Legally, yes. Literally just not true. But legally, you know the cat's in there and you should probably open it up and let it breathe. Okay. Because otherwise that's animal cruelty. Yeah. Okay, so maybe you should stop abusing cats and we should get this conversation back on topic.

I love how this analogy is just a dodge as hard as you can. Oh my god. Anyways. Good, he's back in his chair. He's not hitting me. I walked back in and I heard, stop abusing cats. I'm confused yeah well I would I actually think that if you consider that

statement to be a problem then you're part of the problem he's trying to divert because he asked who I would like back up if you came and attacked him because you're my employee and he didn't immediately say me so I was upset my feelings were hurt I pointed out well you're my

boss and then kind of corrected myself. Then I was like, wait, no, you still are because you own the company. He's like, I don't own the company. I'm a shareholder. I'm like, yeah, you're a 51% shareholder. I don't know why I'm recapping all of this. How would the liability work? And then he's like, well, Yvonne can take it if she wants, but she hasn't yet.

And so he was like, it's a shortening your cat situation. I was like, no, it's not. I don't want to get blood on my lttstore.com water bottle. That's my problem. It would wash off very well. And honestly, it probably wouldn't even dent on his skull. It's built very well. I don't know.

He's got a pretty thick skull. It's built very well. Well, it was nice working with you both. Anywho. Two unidentified men walked off with a pallet of boxes as vendors set up for Gen Con in Indianapolis, resulting in the loss of $300,000 worth of Magic the Gathering cards. Or potentially half of that if they open them, or significantly more if they get a rare card. It was initially unclear what was stolen, but local retailer and tabletop tournament organizer

Pastime Comics and Games... Pastime Comics and Games later confirmed that the stolen items were sealed Magic the Gathering sets. Despite the loss, Pastime Comics and Games hosted their scheduled events throughout the convention. Cool. That must have been pretty annoying. High-profile sales of rare magic cards have elevated the perceived value of trading cards,

increasing the risk of theft. In May, a burglar broke into a game shop in a suburb of Indiana and shoved $15,000 of magic cards into a pizza delivery bag. All right. Discussion question. Why have trading cards become so lucrative what impact does that have on tabletop gaming that's not what i want to talk about all right i want

to talk about how difficult it is to manage security well at an event like this i can totally get how this happened i thought about that i thought about ltx while reading this the first time and this time it's clear that there are some things that we're going to have to figure out for the next ltx if we don't want people walking off with a palette of magic the gathering cards fortunately almost nothing we have at an event like ltx has this kind of value density we would never have an entire palette of laptops an issue for example so you would but then I would also never expect a thief to just walk in. They don't even have hard hats and safety vests on.

Like that's rule number one of not being questioned about anything. Is having a hard hat and a safety vest on and like a utility belt or something. No one's going to ask you anything. You just pick up a pallet jack and start moving things around. jack and start moving things around these guys just roll in with like t-shirts and just freaking carry away a pallet of card what did they even put it in i don't know freaking wild that's nuts that's pretty much all i had to say about that yeah trading cards becoming lucrative i have a theory on this actually i think income inequality and cost of living everything is so bad and people are seeing stuff like uh crypto and all these other scenarios

be like the only real but like gamble literally everything you have completely broke or super rich is pretty much the only option well yeah the erosion of the middle class has been basically happening since it's hard to say exactly when sorry um and it's it's a huge problem it's one of those things it's like it's like when people ask me for my position on unions and like overall pro-union did you see the ups yeah it's all come it's awesome. That's outstanding. Yeah. Actually, ooh. But I'm also anti-running a company where people feel like they need one. So if that makes me a monster, then I don't know. F*** you, I guess. I will say from what I've heard, the negotiations that happened between the union and UPS went over very well.

Both sides were like, cool. Well, UPS has come out and been all butthurt about it after. They're like, this will make us less competitive or whatever. But realistically, they were saying that to their shareholders, which is true. If they're paying more for labor, then whatever. But those salaries are looking good, man. Yeah.

They're looking real good. Yeah, and that's great. That's going gonna push up the value of people because i'm like that's the term unskilled labor is just such a misnomer it's very like douchey like and no driving a vehicle safely and making sure that packages are properly handled and and being highly efficient we can have the debate another day about whether ups you know gets your package there safely or whatever fine but assuming that you are skilled that's i guess my point right is clearly you appreciate it when the job is done with a degree of skill don't you so then no as long as somebody with

skill is doing it there isn't unskilled labor with that said i mean there's other areas where the fight is not going so well i think that the actors and the writers are in deep trouble i don't think they have a leg to stand on stand on in this negotiation and to be clear i'm not saying that they're not right i'm just saying that they don't have they have a leg to stand on in this negotiation. To be clear, I'm not saying that they're not right. I'm just saying that they don't have a good negotiating position. And at the end of the day, that's what it's going to come down to when they're sitting across the table from corporations that only care about money. I think a lot of people are going to end up mishearing that, even though I don't think he said it wrong. Again, he didn't say that he doesn't think they're right.

even though I don't think he said it wrong. Again, he didn't say that he doesn't think they're right. It's just, it ties into a conversation we've had on WAN Show before about how like movie profits have been tanking in a lot of realms. And TV, there's no money in TV anymore. And they're sitting there going, we want more of the money from TV.

And it's like, okay, well, good luck with that. See you later. It's all been like hyper-commoditized. Is that the right word? I would say, I don well, good luck with that. See you later. It's all been hyper-commoditized? Is that the right word? I would say, I don't know if that's quite the right term. I mean, just cord cutting has ripped the money out of... And then the streaming services are way cheaper. Like, it's just...

And then now there's a ton of competition in the streaming space. It's like, oof, I don't know. Studios are bad faith negotiating. We're not agreeing with the studios. Yeah, they are. This is what I'm saying. Like, I was pretty sure people were going to mishear this. We are not agreeing with the studios.

We're just saying that they're going to have the strikers in this situation are going to have a very hard time. We're not saying that that's good. We're not saying that's the right thing. We're just acknowledging that they're going to have a very hard time. We're not saying that that's good. We're not saying that's the right thing. We're just acknowledging that they're going to have a hard time. Luke, you're going to keep reiterating things, but it doesn't matter how many times we say something or how clearly we state it. Even float plane chat, which is like our peeps.

Linus, seriously, worker representation is the law for a company the size of yours in a lot of countries. Get off your high horse. You're not hearing what i'm saying you're just you are you are like i'm saying our goal is to run a company where people shouldn't need it yeah that is a good thing and if you disagree i have no idea what to tell you. There is literally no statement here of unions are bad. We're just saying we want to be so good. We want people to not need one.

Yeah. It's just, it's actually black and white. Me say thing good, that's it. It's not a bad thing. There is actually nothing I could do to prevent our staff from unionizing. Actually, for real. Like, we have way better worker protections than the states, for the most part. It does vary a lot from state to state.

I don't know. So far, success. Yeah. It's a good thing. Anyway. Hit me, Dan. Oh, wait. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

There's something that I wanted to hit really quick just to make sure that people don't, like, crap on us for not talking about it. Intel, new vulnerability, bad. Performance, bad. Just wanted to make sure we talk about it so people don't say, well're your sponsor so you didn't talk about it we did just there we didn't get a lot of interest in talking about specter and meltdown endlessly back last time around so there wasn't really a lot for us to say other than it impacted us quite a bit that's bad on the like floatplane server stuff side um that's that's cool i actually like that a lot um i don't know if i should say it or not but i'm

going to anyways jaden and floatplane chat which is one of my guys i mentioned him earlier in the show he does the front end stuff on floatplane does the apps said as an employee they do a good job at making me not need a union which is cool i like that because it makes me feel like we're doing a good job anyways moving on is there anything else we really need to cover we're still on two or three more topics but i've talked about this on the show before but i'll jump into a topic here ai can hear what you're typing according to a topic here. AI can hear what you're typing. According to a new study, AI can identify key strokes by sound alone with 95% accuracy over a cell phone and with 93% accuracy over a Zoom call. While technology like this has existed for some time, this kind of side channel attack could

become more and more of a risk, especially for streamers, video call users, and people who work in public spaces like libraries. That's pretty wild. The Zoom one is kind of, yeah. Yeah. What I'll add is the last time that I brought this up, it was because someone had just made a website that you could go to and just basically like press play on and target an audio device at it and it could just do it for you. So the spooky part about this is you don't even need to be a script kitty. Yeah.

It's literally just like using a dashboard. There is no technical expertise required at all. And it is very important that content creators and really anyone. Yeah, actually, I should just say anyone. You should be very wary about typing in your password in an observed state of any kind, I should say. This specific AI also was largely unable to discern when the shift key is released, meaning that users can particularly protect themselves by using passwords with a combination of upper and lowercase letters as well as symbols.

That's pretty cool. What's really wild is even if the accuracy is not that great, if they can target specific things like passwords man would that ever oh we're actually working on a video on password cracking so we have what we call the crackinator which is a 6x4090 machine from camino and we are trying to break passwords using various cryptographic algorithms and just kind of seeing how long it takes with what is, yes, expensive, but ultimately accessible, commodity consumer hardware. And it's kind of scary so far. And if you could narrow it down a little bit, like if you could be 90% accurate with your keyboard listening boy would it ever be fast you could also like yeah

this is all public i mean you can use online services it gets insanely more power than what you guys will have um it's more traceable that way whereas if you just have a gpu yourself yeah and in a computer that's the real, more stealthy way to do it, but it is a little bit more limited into what power most people are going to be able to access in that way. But yeah, totally a thing. So yeah, streamers, I mean,

everyone try to not enter passwords in an observed state, as I said previously. But streamers, I would highly recommend, if you do have to type in a password on stream, that you jump to another scene or overlay some amount of audio that obfuscates it very heavily or completely. Like kill your mic and play some music

or kill your mic and have the game audio in the background still playing, something like that. I would highly, highly recommend doing something like that. Yeah, there's also things that you can do like you can type a bit of it Use your mouse erase some unknown amount of it type over it like there's there's definitely things you can do but the best thing That what I would do on stream is use a password manager with autofill Ideally that can also help protect you against key loggers, but of course password managers aren't perfect and You know having one big key to the entire kingdom is not necessarily

Always better than a lot of smaller keys though. Usually I would advise a password manager in general. It's generally better. Yeah keys though usually i would advise a password manager in general it's generally better yeah when will ai be able to get the password from camera jiggle from typing asks jayden i mean if somebody wasn't working on it before they definitely are now good idea jayden thanks for making the world a better place buddy that's actually a very interesting idea um there's been a lot of crazy ones like uh there's set of use thermals yeah like there's there's some really really really crazy stuff camera jiggle from typing all right I think it might be time for one show after dark yeah let's do it thanks for putting the card up

No, did that empty the queue did that ruin it okay? Are there that many? There's there's a lot dude. I really uh oh oh Yeah, I mentioned it earlier, but I don't think you had time check the check the pins what now? No, just check the pins. Oh, yeah, I'm on I'm on it I'm looking oh what that okay sure whatever hey actually going on hey Thorum earned it if they still work with us after what happened to you yeah Wow yeah wait people you guys realize these things are in the bonus bin, right? You don't have to buy them. You can just buy something else and then just get the pin in the bonus bin. We're making money on pins.

And that's at, like, $7. All right. Oh, tech sacks are back in stock. Oh, no wonder people are buying so much stuff today okay all right well this explains a lot i do want to i absolutely think this is the right way to do it to be clear with the bonus bin being uh minimized by default but i i do suspect a lot of people like if they don't watch when probably don't realize like how good the stuff in the bonus bin is. Our bonus bin stuff is freaking awesome.

Yeah, it's insane. Our store is awesome. Like there's things in the bonus bin that an equivalent product from other stores I've seen at like $20 before. Yeah, I know. And they just give it away for free. I know. So like I think when people see like free complimentary gift, they assume it's just going to be trash. Yeah, here's a nice business card with our business information on it that you can keep in your wallet.

Here's a pamphlet of things that you could buy. Here's a pen with my name on it. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Our stickers are awesome, actually designed yeah and like are good and stuff like often unique artwork which is really cool yeah all right hit me dan sure thing how have the how have the reviews you've done affected your relationship with your brand representatives are you able to maintain friendships and still be critical of products i mean i'm not really good at

maintaining relationships in general for real though like i um i it's really funny like i i was joking with taryn our new ceo about it and he's like oh well you must know someone who could help with x like do you have anyone in mind for like some position or something? I'm like, Taryn, you've known me for over 10 years. You know that I just don't really know people. Like, it's a really funny thing. The number of YouTubers that I've met who are exactly like me, introverts who didn't ask for any of this and who just happen to have hundreds of

thousands or tens of thousands or millions or tens of millions of people who tune into what they have to say it's it's i don't seek out a ton of human interaction to be perfectly honest with you and like it's one of the reasons that I think so many youtubers are hesitant around building a company why so many of them even when they're huge run small one man or one woman shows because they don't want to deal with the with the awkwardness and the and the difficulty and the and the pain and the and the just the emotional toll that human interaction takes on your mind and your body like it's it's exhausting uh compared to just sitting in front of my camera and like chatting with you people which you guys are great right like um i forget what the question was i'm sorry uh nope don't remember i don't know if i can even help you with that dan sure doesn't remember

did you did you already like push it to archive yes and then i answered like another 10. should be pushed to stream right no it was hiring something i think hiring someone nope i'm looking for it. I'm so sorry. Oh man, this is ridiculous. Um, Oh boy. Oh,

Oh wait, forget it. I give up. Cool. Oh, brand relationships. Has it hurt brand relationships? Um,

yeah. Right. Yeah. So because I, does it hurt brand relationships um yeah right yeah so because i because i find that to be pretty much the single most tedious part of all of this um like the handful of relationships in the industry that i've gone out of my way to maintain over the years um of them i've hired a couple uh but there's only like a few people that i, that I know. And even them, I don't necessarily know really well. Like I, you know, I know like I know Roland and Jacob from Noctua,

but Noctua is a brand that we've worked with tons. And they're also a brand that follows, you know, my ideals, my values. If we were to criticize them, they would say, I can actually, I can picture Jacob's face and I can hear his voice. Okay. Well, I disagree, but you know, like that's, that's how it would go down. And like, those are the kinds of relationships that I don't mind putting work into because

they have to understand what my job is. My job is to retain your trust. Everything else is secondary because if I don't do that, they don't want anything to do with me anyway. That was something that I really learned when I struck out on my own is everyone who you think is your friend in the industry

is not your friend. They're your friend as long as you're in a position where they have to deal with you. As soon as someone moves on to another company or they move to a different part of the company where you're no longer their client or no longer their brand representative or whatever else, that's it. It's over.

And they're industry associates. And there are exceptions. There are people with whom I have maintained at least somewhat of a relationship since that time. Like Taryn, our new ceo would be an example of that but i mean even then i guess i had an ulterior motive i wanted to hire him to hire him okay i don't know i like i i was my sociopath maybe i was friends with uh with a uh agent i guess yeah uh laura she used to do a lot of our intel stuff laura oh oh oh yeah yeah laura we were

cool and we're still cool. Yeah, okay. I still talk to her every once in a while. Like, that's pretty much the only one that's retained, to be honest. There was a bunch of people that I was friends with from one particular company, and then I released a very negative review, and then they were all instantaneously no longer friends with me. So that one hit.

But it was kind of like like that's basically how i reacted it's just like i'm not gonna change if we're not actually friends yeah and if we were then you would take it on the chin and you would try and do better because you understand that i'm just doing my job and if i screwed up and you called me out on it which is highly possible yeah and i would do the same but because you didn't it's just like okay i guess it's time to move on but it's also not going to influence how we create content at all so like if you think that's going to happen like that this was never going to work in the first second that you guys don't care what i have to say none of them want anything to do with me anyway the game's over actual boss yeah i i talk about that internally a lot like i had someone had someone, there was an email thread going

back and forth where someone internally said, look, I don't understand your expectations and I don't really know how to fulfill them. I'm sitting here going, this is not my expectations. This is the audience's expectations. I'm just a conduit for it. I'm just, I'm just telling you. And that's the truth. That's not some kind of, you know, corporate mumbo-jumbo BS speak about, you know, how we can align our values and synergies. That's just how it actually works. You pay the bills.

Not me. Every dollar I have is because you guys watched a video or bought something on LTT Store. Every single one. Or subscribed on Flipbook. Yes. It's a form of watching a video. It's fine. Yes. I think I had it covered. Thank you, Luke. I just, you know, I had to rep the brand. I don't know. You know, I gotta be honest with you. I've thought about sometimes would you and I actually stay friends if we didn't see each other every day, because I, I don't want you to

take this the wrong way, but you and I are both highly influenced by what is convenient and in front of us in our lives oh that's very true I know it's like it's just yeah I feel like our bro-ship was sort of inevitable

based on proximity and I do wonder sometimes if the proximity was lower would we drift and it made me think about how you've talked about how like you would just you know work here because you enjoy working with me and i wouldn't have that luxury we're gonna have we're gonna have one of those conversations well no i wouldn't have the luxury to make that choice because if you weren't here i can't leave oh yeah yeah do you see what i mean yeah and i i don't know it just made me kind of like sad because obviously it's like theoretically preventable but as it is now you know i feel like i don't know i feel like you and I are very traditionally male in that career is immovable. The WAN show is immovable because it's work and it's for the community and it's to support each other and Dan and the rest of the team.

It's all about let's go. If we had a scheduled hangout that wasn't the WAN show that wasn't work what percentage of the time would we bail on it we'd fail it very often to be fair I think the vast majority of it would be yes but but I would have some in there but you're also assuming that whatever you're burying yourself in isn't all encompassing. That's true. Like I could see you.

I could see you being that guy. That's true. Because I feel like if you were to, if you were to branch out on your own. There was a thing. Yeah. You might even remember it. It was probably about a year ago at this point. Yeah.

But I took a week off work and just like disappeared because I had some important stuff to do. Yeah. We talked about it up front. I don't know if you still remember. Yeah. Um, and I disappeared off the face of the planet. Yeah.

You had a, you were work, you were doing stuff. Yeah. And that stuff was important. Yeah. And I feel like you are at a stage in your life with resources that you have, that if you fragmented off,

you would be doing something important. You would find a mission and you would, you would make a go of it. And so I just, I don't know. It was something that I just was thinking about. Now it's off my chest. I think we still would. I hope so. I think we still would. I think it would be, you said traditionally male earlier, so I'm going to throw this in there too. I think it wouldn't be surprising if it was like once a year. But I do think that we would both go out of our way to make at least that happen. It is a little sad.

I wouldn't want it to be once a year. That's not enough. You know, like it's one of those things where like I can picture, right? Like I have a buddy from high school who's like this, where we don't see each other nearly enough i'm talking years in between just i think i even know who this is yeah and every time we even just every time we even just message i feel sad because i'm like we haven't missed a beat okay and so why aren't we investing in this regularly i think especially with us too it would be one of those things where we would probably communicate often.

Yeah, maybe. Because we actually message each other pretty often about not work-related things. Just like memes or whatever. Yeah. So I think we would communicate decently often, but I think both of us finding the time to like hang out would be pretty tough.

Yeah. But I do think it would happen. I just think it would be hard. There's even stuff like somewhat recently, I saw load up halo infinite yeah yeah yeah but i was like really tired and like already going i couldn't sleep probably probably like that's i'll load it up and i'll play i won't message at those times because i know i'm only gonna play like one round yeah and but i but i saw you jump in and i was like man we haven't gamed in a while i was like i'm sure he'd be down but like damn i'm tired yeah i really need to go to bed yeah

and checked out during like awake time i find very little time to game i've actually i've gotten into a game recently which has been nice i i gamed almost not at all for almost the entire last six months i'd like I mean, you know Yeah, because I don't I'm stupid and I don't go into like offline mode on Steam So anytime I game it's like I say I even know I don't know the name of it right now But I clicked on it and did a little bit of looking into it cuz I noticed that you started playing a new game Yeah, I'm playing chained echoes. Yeah, that's it. So far. It was so stereotypical that that was the game you're into I definitely have some gripes about it but i am really enjoying it yeah um i have had that on my list for a very very very long time yeah i

think we've been through way too much yeah to like not stay connected to a certain degree but like okay okay fine apparently we're never going to move on from this merch message because counterpoint you know look at look at the divorce rate you think those people didn't go through stuff and relationships break down like i think we've been through our relationship tests though yeah like actually yeah we've definitely had opportunities to say you know what f**k it this isn't worth it anymore yeah yeah like yeah some heavy ones too so like i don't know dude i think it would be fine i think it would just be because we're busy i think we would make time i don't know how often yeah i yeah i do worry it wouldn't be a lot

i don't think it would be a time i i almost even right now it's not a time yeah i almost never interact with people socially like almost not at all although although we're having a pool party yeah yeah you're on the rsvp list right i you better be well i'll be there but i don't know if did an email even go out I don't know yeah so Luke you just show up yeah I'm supposed to know how many burger patties to have you ever think of that just do you ever think of people he makes pretty good burgers I actually do want one of the burgers you know I've been I've been so I've been trying to I'm off topic in this but it's fine I've been uh trying to lose some weight yeah so I've been i've been so i've been trying to i'm off topic in this but it's fine i've been

uh trying to lose some weight yeah so i've been paying attention when i eat we had a company dinner and i literally thought about just like bringing one of my own and i was like pretty close and then i i don't remember if i did select something to get or not but i if i did i had i had gone in and figured out the like values for it and stuff yeah all the calories and then the option was posted of like or a Linus burger and I was like all right oh that's right we ordered we uh we ordered takeout yeah for we were doing uh like an executive evening we try to do them like once every quarter or so just usually about that yeah talk about stuff you know away from prying eyes and just kind of you know sometimes we hang out more sometimes we talk

business more mostly we talk business more i want to get out of that habit i want to try to get in the habit of doing like the staff meeting thing regularly and turning those hangouts into more hangouts but i haven't talked to anyone else about that yet and i'm not in charge anymore so but that's what i would like to do. I'd like to, for it to be more of just like a hangout. You could make the staff meetings be. I can't do anything, but sure.

You can though. I, I can, I can provide my input. Yeah. But I, but I shouldn't. That's the thing.

I agree. That's what I'm, I'm trying to break this habit. What you totally could do. I think we should. No, no, But... I'm trying to break this habit. What you totally could do... I think we should... No, no. I actually don't want to do that anymore. What you totally could do is you could turn the quarterly ones into events that are ran

by the company owners. Yeah. Well, they... I mean, aren't they already? We... I think we pay for food. It's usually at your house. Yeah.

It's like at our house a lot of the time. I don't know. What's the difference? Yeah. I should start a ghost kitchen, saysplane chat oh good anyways i don't think it would be that bad i think it would be okay i do think the hangout frequency would probably be troubled but maybe once your kids were older it wouldn't be as bad because linus is trying to be the like i'm a good dad guy so he hangs out with his kids a lot which is great i'm not dissing that at all but that takes up a lot of your time when you have three kids yeah so it doesn't leave

a ton of time you're talking about like i game in the shouldn't be awake hours yeah because you're probably busy with your kids i i i try to be i'm not always i'm not always good about it um i'm also i've turned into kind of a neat freak so i heard you say the other day that you really enjoy tidying and i was like i don't i enjoy the organization okay of things i i have just i have a theory as to why i've spent so much of the last 10 years of my life in complete and utter chaos that is outside of my own control that it's like it's something that i can just knowing where something is is like an endorphin rush now like it's i like i feel like i'm right about my theory okay i have a theory as to why you noticed that some certain things at work being in the chaotic

state that they are yeah are an efficiency problem and are therefore tuning yourself to solve said problem i mean and it's leaking into other parts of your life Yeah, yeah, that could be true. I mean it drives me absolutely the second you said in whatever I don't remember when we were it's conversating, but you mentioned I really enjoyed hiding I Enjoyed tidying and I was like no That's like I guarantee this is like a mechanism where he had to solve some problem and he has therefore like changed his personality so that he can fix it better like that i am i am convinced i wasn't born this way no i will say that much yeah yeah and like

people change whatever but like no i wasn't born this way i feel like this is in it and it's a coping or like it's it's something yeah i'm not going to deny that it's it's it's been really hard living in constant construction yes because when you're in construction everything is temporary the position of that shelf is temporary the bin where you store keyboards is temporary. The place where you hang, where you put your pictures before you have a wall to put them on is temporary. And so for the last 10 years, like most of my life has been temporary. And so there's something satisfying

about taking something, putting a label on it, putting it in a place and having that be the place where I no longer need to think about what temporary place it is anymore. That's where it lives. Like I, I use my perfectly organized garage an embarrassingly small amount. I do use it.

I carpeted a cat tree last weekend with the boy. Cool. So he. You have two now? He learned how to. Yeah, we. Oh, no, no. Just so I've done three total now. The big one that you know of. Cool. So he, you have two now? He learned how to, yeah, we, oh no, no, just, so I've done three total now.

The big one that you know of. Yeah. And then I just did, I just carpeted like two little ones. So they're just like a few feet long, about a foot wide. They have like two pillars and then there's like a base,

just, you know, just little things they can jump on. Yeah. Cause they're, they kind of scratch up just like random corners. So we're trying to put something they're supposed to scratch

in all those places. So yeah. So my goal is to do like tons of them and just just little ones not not huge small projects, right? So I finally did a couple Finally did a couple yeah, so I so we carpeted one with the boy. He learned how to use staple gun cool which Sometimes I'm not sure about that boy when I was his age man someone hand me a staple gun cool which sometimes I'm not sure about that boy when I was his age man someone hand me a staple gun he's like alternative about it and stuff I guess that just means I'm a terrible father and he hasn't had enough time playing with staple guns yet I taught him how to use drill yeah yeah all right so hey he got to use the drill some more he he got to did he still know how to

use it and how to use a staple gun oh yeah yeah yeah oh no he's used it other than that since then as well. Yep, so so yeah We had we had some we had some fun with that, but I haven't done nearly enough with it I'm trying to fix my old Galaxian Oh Midway I think is the brand anyway It's a little like tabletop arcade game thing and it was working perfectly other than the battery cover It's a little like tabletop arcade game thing.

And it was working perfectly other than the battery cover didn't hold the batteries in enough. Or so I thought. And then things got really weird because I 3D printed a battery cover. I put the batteries in and it wasn't working. And then I like held the battery cover in more and then it was working. And then I was like, okay, well, maybe if I just jam something into here and it will hold the batteries in place better. And I took it out and I like held the batteries with my hand. And then it stopped working. And then it stopped working like at all with no matter what i did with it and then i like took

it apart and was trying to figure because oh right the reason i was going to take it apart in the first place the reason i even like started looking at it again was because okay i've got the battery cover now i can fix the contact on this fire button and then before i even got to opening it it like stopped working altogether so then i opened it and was like okay well i could see how to fix this fire button it's just a simple metal thing that comes down and bridges a contact on the pcb it's from 1982 or 1984 or something like that it's really simple and then it came to life again after i had like desoldered and resoldered the thing and like cleaned it a bit and then i was like oh okay and the battery pushing thing was doing something and

then I took it out and I put it back in and now it's completely dead again so I got some contact cleaner from Dan and I'm gonna like clean it so those are the two things I have done in my stupid perfectly organized workshop oh and I caught some mice I had I had mice in my garage and I was legit excited because mice are the best cat television ever now I swear to you, two of the cats did not move from that corner. I don't think they left to eat, pee, drink, nothing. I swear to you they didn't move the first night when I brought the aquarium in with the mice in it.

So I caught a few mice because I couldn't figure out what the heck they were eating, but I was seeing mouse poop, so they were clearly there. And then I finally figured it out. I came down and I heard one jump from a high high up shelf they got into the grass seed oh i didn't know they ate grass seed so i put out live traps and i caught three of them and the cats are stoked see i could buy mice at the pet store for cat tv but they're boring their feet are mice so they're fat and they're slow and they're not interesting for the cats to watch but the wild ones here man

those things will jump like 15 inches they run around all over they have so much energy they're little they're little balls of energy um and they're they're so engaging for the cats to just look at and like watch them move around and stuff like that and uh but you're not allowed you can't carry them at the pet stores because in bc we have a law that says that you're not allowed to buy or sell domestic species. Oh. So that's why you can't. Well, okay. It's one of the reasons you can't buy a raccoon, for example.

But it's also the reason that you can't own a robin as a pet. Right. Why not? Yeah. You could if you didn't live in BC. Like, if you really wanted to. It's kind of random, yeah. Yeah. So these voles is what they're actually called or field mice

You're not allowed to have them as pets technically like whatever fuck you I'll keep a vole in a cage if I feel like it So yeah, so I've got voles now that was the other thing that happened in my garage recently that I'm very excited about I also okay. I have one more theory to the hangout thing there are ways to acquire raccoons I hear yeah, you can just take them from the park. They're free. I have dozens So what is that Ducks is Ducks yeah? Yeah, I have one more theory on the hangout thing yes I suspect we would do so more even if the busy level was the same if

Say this is like way advanced in the future and we're like retired. I think we would do it more. Because a bunch of our hangouts will have a plan for something and then one of us will get the idea that it could be for a video. And then it happens way the hell later. That's true.

Like I think you had the idea probably just trying to support me on the weight loss journey but you had the idea to come to the gym with me i think it's been basically a year because it it keeps getting pushed back because we have to align too many different schedules i also did just want to learn and then and then i had the idea of like oh well the new badminton center might have maybe we'll have a gym so we might as well just do it there because that would be better so now it's pushed back even more delayed yeah do you know about have you heard about the load bearing stuff or anything oh i know the whole project has been delayed uh yeah the project is super delayed yeah i've heard about that like you

know that there isn't even anyone in charge of it now, right? Yes. Cool. No, I've heard of, I've been informed. Neat. Yvonne is good about the communications. I've been asked, don't mice carry diseases? Probably. They are. They're not going in the. In an aquarium.

Yeah. Not completely sealed, but nobody will touch them. The kids aren't allowed to touch them. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's a bit of a barrier. Completely sealed, but nobody will touch them. The kids aren't allowed to touch them. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's a bit of a barrier. Anyways.

Plasmator says, at Luke, looking good, by the way. We noticed. Thanks, man. I got work to do, but it's coming along. All right. Hit me down. With Steam entering the console market, what is going to happen with third-party launchers? Microsoft and Sony would never allow it. EA and Ubisoft are always broken.

Time to hit the seven Cs? No, if anything, I would say that, well, first of all, you can launch Ubi and EA games through Steam as non-Steam games. So, actually, I'm not quite sure what your question is i don't think the major game publishers are ever going to stop wanting to have their own stores so that if they can they can avoid the 30 steam tax um but and i don't think that valve's fundamental philosophy of competing on the merit of Steam rather than by, you know, signing exclusive deals or whatever else is going to change at least as long as Mr. Gabe Newell is in charge.

And he does still seem to be very much in charge, at least of the sort of general direction that the company flounders about in. That's a good way to say it. for time to hit the seven c's i mean i'm you know i my my position on piracy is pretty consistent um you know i i've definitely engaged in what i consider to be ethical piracy you know i have no problem downloading a game if i own the cartridge for it, like off. None of your business. If I play tears of the kingdom on a switch or on a PC, if I gave you my $70 or 80,

90 Canadian rubles or whatever it works out to. Um, and I just, you know, it's the kind of thing where you've just got to consider that if this is content you enjoy, be it a game or TV show, movie,

music, whatever else, if it's something that you enjoy and you ever want there to be more of it, you just have to understand the impact that what you're doing has on that particular industry. Just, you know, consider it. Linus, you've acknowledged that WAN Show viewers are some of LTT's loyalist fans. Why can't you respect us or Dan or Luke's time enough to prioritize starting the WAN show closer to schedule?

Okay, who curated this? It was not me. Well, I figured that it would probably warrant some explanation because nobody seems to understand why we're late all the time. Luke and I don't care, for the record but no no no i'm i'm just teasing i'm not actually upset you actually seem to actually be worried that i'm upset see i've i keep running into this luke am i actually a good actor we had no seriously we had this conversation earlier today okay i'm gonna i'm gonna show you guys something i'm gonna show

you guys something okay you're not gonna be able to see it for s***, but whatever. We're going to try. Okay, we're going to the Linus cam. I'm bringing up this... Hold on, where's my Trello notifications? I think I may actually be a skilled actor. Floatplane chat is like, no. I know.

I know, but how can I avoid this conclusion loop? Linus won't let me play the straight man when I want to. It's difficult. Okay, hold on. Here we go. Here we go. Okay?

Okay, so here, here, here, here, here, here, here. Okay, this is the intro for one of our upcoming AMD videos. These $5,000 AMD Ultimate Tech upgrades have gotten a little out of hand lately, and I was assured that today our editor and meme lord extraordinaire Alex is just getting a simple workstation upgrade to the fastest CPU money can buy the Ryzen 9 7950 x3d yay what is that trouble I'm organizing this and this I'm supposed to warm out the tv two tvs there's a projector in the ceiling now. This is an unconventional component, but at least it might come in handy.

It's electric. Oh, I guess that was the point of the upgrade. My own production manager, former chief editor, Ed Zliago, asks me after we watched that, we call them appetizers, so like the intro of the video, asks me after that, didn't you know it was electric? I'm like, yes, of course I knew.

Do you have any idea how many ducks I need to align for that gag That that's the punchline of the whole intro is that we go through this whole thing Where I you know there's all these things that I've got to do and I'm overwhelmed and you know what forget it I might just end it. No, I can't even do that because it's not even a gas oven My theory is that life is so absurd that no one can really tell anymore. No one can really tell if things are sarcastic or not because there's probably an example where someone said that thing without being sarcastic. Yeah.

I thought our thing was you come at me and be angry and I defend myself and then you continue to be more angry and it just like escalates you know there was that guy might have been itchy and scratchy bigger bigger missile bigger missile bigger missile just it's more and more absurd i thought that's kind of the thing that that we did uh but yeah i don't know sometimes i like playing the straight man and you gotta you gotta bounce off of that what does that mean why is it straight man well because everybody's being silly and the other guy's like sit down and up straight. It's all proper and like yeah Seems like a weird phrase. No, it's just it's like a like straight talker, you know? Yeah, so it's very dated

Yeah, not like not gay. I knew he didn't mean that but I was like, yeah, that's just like it's that's never what it meant though Okay, it just meant like more like, you know square, you just meant more like square. I thought it might have... Straight-faced, yeah. Anyway, so my own production manager couldn't tell, and he knows. He knows how much work it is to get that shot. He knows that Alex is perfectly positioned to be exactly in the frame at

exactly the right moment to lean down and say it's electric i wrote the joke maybe ed should be proud because he's a production manager right is that correct yeah and his team's doing such a good job that they even fooled him i guess so what what was the what was the thing that's a. What was the thing that led us to this with my acting being too good? Oh, did Dan think I was actually mad? Oh, I think that was it. But Dan, did you think I was actually mad? No, I wanted to give a reasonable explanation.

Okay, so then I can't even tell. This is the problem. The problem is that we have the Linus on camera who is on camera, and then we have Linus who is, like, a person. I think I've talked about this before. Probably in a video you're not allowed to see. Ah, that makes sense.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to, like, pull back the veil too much. Yeah. But it is late, and it's WAN show. There's also sometimes playing into it. I don't think this applies in the Ed situation but sometimes playing into it is more fun. My favorite thing is

to pretend to not know stuff and just be dumb. You sure your name is Dan and not Dad? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Because that is my stepdad's favorite game in the world. And what makes it really challenging is

that sometimes he actually didn't know and i think he plays that game so that he can have plausible deniability when he didn't know for real yes yeah because sometimes he's actually shockingly wrong about things it's like no really you were taking actions in your life that like have significant impact that are based on a misunderstanding i've noticed it tends to be a tactic of people that want to appear more intelligent than they are that's the thing is he's actually super smart okay from like an iq standpoint i'm not saying always there's like three degrees or something stupid like that and like want a free ride to whatever university felt like like back in the day. And that was when you'd only been in the country for like six years or something

like that. Like barely spoke the language. Like the guy, the guy's super smart, but in one of those super smart kind of like, I have overlooked this entire 30% of everything. Right. Um,

like really smart. Yeah. Yeah. Like kind of, kind of too smart sometimes um almost i i sometimes i feel like really smart people come to the solution so quickly that they get accustomed to coming to solutions really quickly and will sometimes um have a hard time even understanding why anyone else is still thinking about a problem and the solution that they come to is not always exactly right because there may be other

perspectives um yeah it's definitely something that i've encountered overconfidence i am i'd be really curious to know if i'm actually that smart because i don't think so i think i just have adhd in a really like useful way egregious issues with like all of the ways that you can measure that type of stuff. So I don't think you'll ever know. A hundred percent. Like I don't, I don't, I'm not convinced that it's that meaningful a number at all actually. Someone in my family was actually recently classified as like gifted. And I'm kind of looking at it going, what difference does this make?

And we ended up having a conversation about like, well, what does this mean? It sure as heck doesn't mean that you don't have to work hard. If anything, it means that, you know, you might feel more pressure or you probably should feel more pressure to try to try to make something something of it. But don't expect that this is a free ride. If anything, I've seen time and time again, that people for whom everything is easy get accustomed to not trying hard. realistically because you're you're so freaked out about needing to be that way all the time um that like you just get stuck and you land an indecision i don't there's a there's a quote i don't remember who it's from um but it talks about how like there's there's endless seas of people that have tons of potential and there's a relatively small amount of people that actually do things and the overlap of those two is not always constant like the people that are going to actually do stuff and get a lot of things done that are very impressive are not always the people that

have this technical potential apparently veritasium just did a video on uh iq yeah that makes sense oh kuro michen in Flipplane Chat. I got put in the gifted program until they found out I'm just autistic. There's a lot of gifted traits in the autism spectrum, though. Absolutely. A lot of the best, absolute top people at doing a specific thing are very often on autism spectrum. Yeah, and I think that some of them might feel it's a gift and some of them might not. Even just the name of like gifted program or gifted student or whatever I think is misleading. Sometimes, oh boy, I really hope no one from my family ever watches this, but sometimes

I am grateful for the significant intellectual disparity between my two genetic contributors. I feel like if I had been any more like one of them, I might have struggled to socially interact with people. Yes. But you're not. I'm a lot like that individual. But not that much. And that gap is very important.

Okay. All right. Okay. I found the quote that I like about this. Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence talent will not nothing and nothing is more oh my goodness this is worded weird so i'm struggling with it nothing in the world can take place of persistence talent will not nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent or let's say people yeah the quote

says men i'm reading the quote genius will not unrewarded genius is almost a proverb education will not the world is full of educated derelicts persistence and determination alone are omnipotent ray crock the founder of mcdonald's oh yeah there you go yeah you seem to do all right persistence and determination that's what a lot of it comes down to so you can be super gifted you'll be super gifted super super smart all that kind of stuff have no chances given to you there's the luck component and then also just not be motivated to do anything or not have the drive to do anything and then yeah accomplish nothing happens all the time all the time yeah harrier pigeon says i got put in gifted because i'm actually smart but what I actually needed were social skills.

Yeah. Yep. And I think a lot of time the gifted programs, they want you to study so hard to realize that potential that they take your opportunity away to gain social skills. Like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, man, people are like getting real heavy into the like mental mental health discussion in the in the float plane chat. So I'm not going to I'm not going to dig into too much of this. But it's very clear that we still have a lot to understand about autism spectrum and ADHD and all that good stuff. Like if if I'm on the spectrum somewhere, I'll say this much. I definitely come by it honestly. So we'll we'll leave it at that. I'm definitely undiagnosed if there's

anything there, nothing would surprise me at this point, but as far as ADHD goes, at least the way that we have conventionally defined these two things as, as separate up until now, how related or not they are, we don't know, I guess. But definitely ADHD. No question there. I do want to address this too. I've observed this with a lot of people in my life, including some of my very close friends. But Snap in floatplane chat said, yeah, a lot of it is luck,

which nobody likes to talk about. Yeah. Okay. Survivorship bias, man. But also no. But also you make your luck. Yes. And there's also, i know a lot of people that have had luck shoved upon them and they have not wanted to take it for for a variety of potentially very

good reasons like you can you can call a lot of this luck yeah but then we also yolo'd the heck out of very logical paths forward that all three of us at the time had. You know, what's really funny is I was talking recently about how that sports psychology class I took in university changed my outlook on life. There is... For someone who doesn't actively follow sports at this point in my life i certainly have learned a lot from it just about it's it's like it was what i what i what i enjoyed about it and what i learned so much about was the psychology of competition and you'll you'll see there's a lot of things that are definitely wrong with sports culture but one of the things that you know i remember hearing

commentators talk about or hearing players talk about is like, yeah, we got some lucky bounces tonight, but you get them by getting into the dirty areas and trying to manufacture some luck. Being available for that opportunity. Yeah, trying to make luck. Being ready. Whenever I talk about my success, I talk about how lucky I've gotten. But there's also, you know, okay, for example, I got extremely lucky meeting Yvonne. I think that having a good partner that amplifies your best qualities and diminishes your worst qualities is the single most important thing that you can do for success in your life. Everything is easier with a partner and, um, you know, you could call that luck, but I also made myself available for it. I, I made the,

for some people mistake of not dating around. I did not engage in a single non-serious relationship in my life. So once I was on the dating scene, I was trying to find a wife. And you know what? I think that for a lot of people, that would probably legitimately not be the right way to go about it. I think I think some people have some, some stuff to do before they're ready to before they're ready to settle down and, you know, be married for the rest of their life or whatever, right. But for me, you know, I'm also lucky that I had the disposition where I felt ready to make that move at such a young age.

Because if Yvonne and I had waited even three more years, even if I had been lucky enough to meet her later, if we had gotten married and gotten started on, you know, building a life together and building our family, even three, four more years, I don't know that we would have been able to afford the house in South Glen. If we hadn't had the house in South Glen, where the fuck would we have started Linus media group? My, my parents garage.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Right. And so, yeah, I got lucky. Definitely.

Multiple times, many times. Many times. But it's also not just luck. So that's all I have to say about that. What do you have to say about the reason why WAN starts late?

Oh, right. We have a lot of work to do organizing the writing department, organizing production. I don't want to put this on the actual production crew. I think those guys are doing a really, really great job, especially with all the challenges that we have on the writing side.

I think that, you know, I also won't blame any of the individual writers or even the writing managers. I think there's a lot of contributing factors to what has made our production really challenging. I think a big part of it is how demanding our bosses, you guys are always, whether you ask for it or not. I mean, it's such a classic. It's, it's, I almost consider it like a, like a trope at this point, the, um, the creator

who talks about burnout and the audience who says don't worry we got your back we'll watch you no matter what take your time off and then the creator who fades to irrelevance because they said it they meant it but that's just not actually how human nature works like whether you guys are saying it or even feel it or not you're always asking for more you're always asking for better and we and we always have to respond to keep moving that bar or we fade away, gone from your memories. Uh, Oh yeah, that guy, right? Like that's just how it works. And, um, so we never really leave ourselves any room to make anything other than the best video we can. And so a lot of the time we have weekly goals for how many videos we need to make in order to keep to our upload schedule and so for you know

on Tuesday and Wednesday it's kind of like well we can shoot those on Thursday and Friday not procrastinating but just because we're you know we're trying to make things better and then on Thursday and Friday we're trying to cram in far too much production and it ends up it ends up being very very challenging and bleeding into what is supposed to be wancho time it's not that i'm not respectful of you guys it's that you know sometimes you got to understand there's other pressures on me if i don't hit the production quota there are people whose kpis are make sure that we hit our video upload target and they won't get their bonuses so what am I supposed to be like? Um, well,

it's four 30. So I hope you like buying less good presents for your kids. Like I, I try not to, um, I try not to behave like that when, when I'm, when there's anything in my power to try to get her done. To his own detriment,

Linus will carry more weight if it means the ship keeps going forward so that has literally always been the case and sometimes that makes it hard for us to build processes that are scalable right because you know you you need to have you need to let people fail sometimes i think i think so i've been reintegrating lately and i think one of the problems that i've kind of observed is that alina's and avon both have this trait where they won't let a thing fail oh we got into a heated conversation about that actually like last weekend oh yeah we were driving somewhere and uh someone someone had brought up some like hr related thing and I was like, why are you dealing with this? She's like, why are you upset?

I told you I'm dealing with it. I'm like, no, I'm not upset that you're not doing a good job. I'm upset that you keep telling me that you want to try to, you know, have better balance and you keep not doing it. You keep throwing yourself back into it. And I've had this conversation with Dan a bunch out don't give examples Dan, but there's there's situations where I'm like no we actually We need to act exactly how we are supposed to act right now So that this thing can fail so that we can see how it failed so that we can fix it Because if you just keep catching all the falling wrong on can't let something fail

You're not gonna fix the landslide problem So that we can fix it. Because if you just keep catching all the falling rocks. Yvonne can't let something fail. You're not going to fix the landslide problem. And we were made for each other. You're just going to keep catching. Because you both do that. I know. Which. We were at a wedding. And I had one of the just like proudest face palm moments.

I think I know. About my wife. That I ever have. And all the time I've known her. I think about my wife that I ever have. And all the time I've known her because I, I, I, I know her more than myself at times.

And she had a role in the wedding that was not in the bridal party. And that was a lot of eyes were on her. And the bride's train was not properly arranged behind her and so Yvonne in her role in the wedding delayed the entire wedding to it was cute upon realizing that nobody was dealing with it put aside what she was supposed to be doing go fix the train and then go back to what she was supposed to be doing because she knew that that was something that was important to the bride and also she knows that you get one shot at this with the photographers and with the family and everything and

if it costs eight seconds of delay to get that done correctly and is nobody else doing this she's gonna do it yeah and i sat there in the audience going i watched her i watched her register it i watched her look around for if other people were gonna do it and i went three two one and she went and she fixed it. She cannot help it. You both can't. And I think there's some other people in the company that can't either. And I think one of the problems that we have, there's a bunch.

Every company has problems, to be very clear. I'm not trying to trash on us particularly. No, we're clearly doing a few things right. Yeah. Let's give ourselves credit, all right? 100%. World class. Yeah. Actually, though. Yeah. Like, we're clearly doing a few things right yeah let's give ourselves credit all right 100 world class yeah actually though yeah like we're doing great you do amazing things all the time every single company has a bunch of problems yes so one of our problems i think is this where certain people at the company including definitely and potentially mainly you and avon

are catching problems consistently and not letting certain things fail so I think there's problems that we don't necessarily fully know about yeah oh yeah 100% so I don't know how we got here I'm getting lost a lot in this show the point is according to Rod one of the best parts of when is how organic the flow is and i feel that part of that includes it starting when it is damn well ready oh yeah okay and i added damn well yeah so like knowing the things about linus and also knowing so linus will do that and then dan and i don't really care that much so when is just not that hard to push back yeah but then you guys aren't letting me fail When it's just not that hard to push back.

Yeah, but then you guys aren't letting me fail. If you guys were like, look, this is when my shift ends and you left. I could go home at 930. And there was no when, then... I could just go home at 930. I'm f***ed, right? I could just get up and leave. Sometimes we wouldn't even have a WAN show. You could.

I might not even notice the end. Because it starts after 930. Got him. I'll just turn this off and then I can't even see you. You got a big monitor there. I'll figure out how to turn the audience tiles. I was going to say the stream wouldn't even go live. Sit here waiting.

I don't even know how to do it anymore. Why don't you press the button, Dan? I made it so simple that it's like three buttons. It's honestly not that bad. Yeah, but I just don't know where they are. There used to be one. Yeah, Dan. I guess.

Also, you used to only stream to one platform. That's fair. But that doesn't impact the amount of buttons. No it doesn't. I guess technically it's just one button. Yeah. Wait, what? You'd have to turn on the computer I guess. Yeah, S04AWS says the best part of WAN is that it starts

whenever it starts and it ends whenever it's done. F*** yeah! That's WAN show baby! Hell yeah. If you guys didn't't like it you don't have to watch it i i actually can't force you to do that but you're here you're here like three hours in or whatever we're at at this point every once in a while um oh my god we're four hours in oh yeah uh wait no no that can't no no that can't be right the page is not loading properly for me hold on hold on uh three hours 56 minutes live on youtube three hours 22 minutes

okay so including pre-show we're about four hours that makes sense yep yeah because the floatplane chat has been talking about how it's four hours yeah they lie but no they have pre-show it has been four hours for them yeah yeah yeah yeah i always forget about pre-show. It has been four hours for them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I always forget about pre-show too. They even got to hang out when Linus was only part of a video. Oh, yeah, that was pretty funny. That was pretty funny. I just needed another room to be in and this one was lit already. Yeah, it just kind of worked out.

Yep. Efficiency. Yeah, efficiency. All right. All right, next up. We are not gonna get to every merch message today, guys. The good news is you will get your order in the mail. Did you know that historically every single time you've said that we've actually done it Yeah, but I just I don't in case I collapse at my desk at the table here

Why don't we power through them instead of going on 15 tangents? Hey, I can't help what the people ask or what you curate But I just clicked the wrong button. Dan. It's the best part of when. Like, what am I going to do? Stop you talking? Stop talking about this interesting thing. We have to move on.

Yeah, Dan. Love tuning in. I didn't get enough bags of chips, Dan. Did you ever think of that? You could have more bags of chips. We got boxes of them. I think you're above the Snack please. That was weak. Yeah it was. I'm gonna get you heavier things to throw at me Your job is to get in objects that will fly better at your head It's part of my Q3 goal.

More aerodynamic weapons? Okay, let's try again. Love tuning in every week. Do you ever get tired of the day-to-day of your job? Over time, I feel like it could drag on. Yes. to day of your job over time i feel like it could drag on yes i mean i think anyone who tries to sell you you know find a job you love so that you'll never work a day in your life there's always days you work i always tell my son this if it was easy everybody would do it and then it wouldn't be worth anything. The most common things are worth the least, right?

Why does the pin say get the full set here, but not have the full set purchase option? I noticed that. Yeah, we should probably make a bundle. Yeah, I actually talked to Nick about that bundle hard. There'll work on it. Something, something. Oh. Oh, yeah yeah there's a new

so bundles were really bad and then i believe in the most recent shopify edition shopify is doing their own bundling thing or something so we're gonna move to that i don't know if it's already out yet though sometimes they announce things in additions they're not out for like two years sometimes they're basically right away i don't know we'll see shopify is a cool company i like working with them i'm not trying to dog on shopify hello lld ford luke uh what are your thoughts on branded hardware um i believe this is bethesda game studios and amd at quakecom announced a radeon 7900 xtx starfield branded gpu and it looks pretty sick only 500 available and not for sale. Not for sale. Yeah, they don't sell anyway. I can tell you that from experience.

Yeah, just like... Even those like Jedi and Sith graphics cards, the NVIDIA ones? Do you remember the SteelSeries Wow Mouse? Yes. It looked like it had like armor on it and stuff. Here, hold on. I'm sure you'll remember it if I show it to you. I think we had that when i worked at best buy this is just about

the most like co-branded mouse that has ever existed like it wasn't just a 100 remember this whoa it wasn't just a skin on uh oh this specifically yes i definitely remember this one this thing sold like like nothing basically yeah it was it was a dog it was it's a cool looking mouse it did great on clearance um but this kind of like like mount desk pads and stuff like that back in the day we we struggled to move even like single digit numbers of these things interesting yeah i mean i think it's cool there was the evangelion uh line stuff. I think there was more than just a graphics card, but I know there's a graphics card, and that looked fantastic.

I cannot believe how much these stupid things are worth. Yeah, that's actually crazy. Collectors are an interesting breed. But yeah, I've seen a bunch of stuff like that that I think is great. I wouldn't pay extra for it, and I think that's a big part of the problem, is that everyone's a big fan of

something until you ask them to actually spend extra on it. And it's not like a figurine. I don't know why it is. People will actually spend a thousand dollars on a figure on like a statue. You know, I should use probably more correct lingo, but you ask them to spend an extra hundred dollars on a GPU that's themed that way.

Well, no, that's just electronics. Like the way that people value electronics is still it's kind of wild to me yeah how complex it is and how little we value it compared to like some collectible plastic trinket very interesting it's or like like like cards with hollow foil on them or whatever like you you realize that that technology is like stone age basically compared to what's in your phone that you're like oh oh five oh, $500 for a phone.

Okay, I don't think anyone's saying that anymore. Okay, but hold on. $1,200 for the latest iPhone? Really? I do think people would stick their nose up at the cost of a dbrand skin. Yeah, some people would. But would turn around and buy one of these foil things for a ton. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah oh there is some some

interesting it's like sometimes like i will buy a one thousand dollar phone but i will not buy a one dollar phone app that makes my experience significantly better yeah it's like i won't do it i just won't do it yeah there's some there's some weird stuff going on there um i think they're cool though i've seen some builds based around uh branded i don't know if you want to call it that like third party uh collaboration on on computer parts that i thought are awesome i haven't bought any so maybe i'm part of the problem but i think it's cool and i think a starfield inspired gpu could actually look really sick because starfield is a nasa punk right so i think it could look really cool yeah uh you guys want to go through potentials and we'll move on a bit i've been chugging through incoming i'll go to potential

there's should be nothing in incoming there's 36 yeah there's a lot in incoming okay i am showing like not i'm working on incoming as well hopefully we're not i also see none in incoming oh i will also refresh now there's one sick okay cool there's been other priorities but when is your next amd tech upgrade it's a great series that was the intro for one it's going to be alex p from our editing team when whenever amd approves it oh okay yeah it's it's subject to sponsor review so i don't even know if the head in the oven joke is going to make it into the video hey a dynamic link library what is your favorite or least favorite cpu socket and peripheral connector oh i'm going with e-sata e-sata was gone too soon yeah it was actually kind of cool and they had e-sata ports that were also USB ports, like the connector pins were on the other side.

So being able to connect an external drive at truly internal speeds, because it's not just gigabits per second of bandwidth. It's the fact that it was using AHCI. It was using a SATA protocol, so random IO was good. So you could have an external Steam drive or whatever that really did perform like an internal one when it came to

small operations. Super cool. Linus and Luke, you've spoken before about NVIDIA making it difficult to film at their press events. Curious what some of the challenges they created were. Oh, the example that I tend to give on this one was one that I was there for. So this was a long time ago, but still, where they had an event. So they didn't give us pre

information or they gave us pre information, but not enough to actually make a piece of content out of. You needed to see the live event in order to do that um they it felt strategic i don't know if it was or not but our hotel was very far away from where the venue was at and they brought us there with a bus so there wasn't an easy way for us to get back this was like pre-uber again this was it's been a while um and there was nowhere convenient to film and they had a dead mouse concert on stage immediately after the press event and there was nowhere convenient to film and they had a dead mouse concert on stage immediately after the press event. So there was this loud copywritten music playing. So you couldn't record any videos.

The way that we got it was we kind of like snuck into the basement to where a bunch of the event workers were working and just like pretended we were supposed to be there and got into a corner and filmed there. Brandon and I did that, um, cause I didn't want to freaking call linus again um so i was like whatever we're getting this done and it sucked it was it was really bad because there was nowhere to focus on writing your video um there was nowhere to properly film your video uh like there was there was often they'll make last-minute announcements that can be added to a written article yeah you know after the fact or whatever you published immediately but they don't count for time to edit and encode yeah so you're like you're way behind everyone it's

mostly just being inconsiderate and almost themselves first intentional how they control the narrative yes I don't know if it was intentional. Sometimes it's felt that way. For an organization that large. But the thing is, large organizations have small groups of people sometimes that are in charge of things. Yeah, but there's got to be someone there. They flew out all these people. There's got to be some amount of consideration

of how these people are going to even remotely function while they're at the event. It's funny that you say that because we flew out all our developers and we screwed up a lot about the scheduling for that. Yeah, but when they were here and they had to do things, I had it. We were good.

I know. I just mean mistakes were made. I'm saying it's easy to make mistakes. But not this type of mistake. I think that often they, it's kind of like, it's kind of like when they would buy a fancy meal. And you'd go around, you'd talk to everyone and they're like, yeah, this tastes like shit. Because it's like fancy food. And, you know, it's the tech press.

We just want to eat chicken nuggets. Like, I think a lot of the time, probably thought the dead mouse concert was super cool and they were doing everybody a favor and it was a cool event they're whining and dining us but like mostly we're just we're working it's a distraction for most of the tech press there was like at least three or four people that didn't get into the the sneaky basement solution that we had that were just like filming on the street at night they had no lights other than just like the little tiny one you mount on your camera if they even had that like it was very rough and this was a pattern a consistent pattern over years this was not like i know they screwed it up one time but remember too there's a lot of turnover in these departments

sometimes like i would explain the same thing over and over again to a revolving door of like pr firm reps and stuff like that like it's yeah i'm not saying also explained it to people that were not i know i'm not saying they did a good job i'm just saying that don't attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence i think it's a mixture sure in this case i do agree with that statement in general in this case i think it's a mixture okay i've got a i've got a luke question here to give linus some more time with the potentials dear luke any advice on owning budgies i'm getting two of my own this sunday oh that's cool um if you're not getting them from the same place um like if you're getting both of them from a breeder it's probably fine uh but if you're getting both of them from a breeder, it's probably fine. Uh, but if you're getting them from like two different breeders or, or, or something like that, uh,

quarantine each of them separately for probably about the first month. Um, because like if one of them has mites or something, you want to be able to deal with that in a localized fashion instead of having it go on to both of them. Um, they're probably gonna be pretty timid when they first get to your home um but be very friendly they love music they're gonna feel a lot more at home if there is noise i think a lot of times with like uh with like a dog if a dog is feeling very timid when it first comes over you want to be very calm and like kind of quiet and like lay down on the floor with it and show it that things are okay with a bird it's like not really birds operate on a like everything's okay alarm level so if it's really quiet they're gonna be like oh this is bad things are bad um

it's like one of our solutions is we we play music because they hear music of almost any kind they'll they'll actually likely have preferences we found that our birds have preferences um but if they hear music of almost any kind they'll be like oh okay things are probably okay um and have have extra food a lot of the food you can throw in the freezer and it will last longer so have extra food on hand um yeah other than that just send it and have fun make sure they have little toys um but watch their toys as they wear. Budgies really like to destroy things, so they'll pick at things and eat things away and stuff. And if there's like a rope, for instance, and they chew on the rope and peck at the rope and do whatever else they do with the rope,

it's potential that they might wear the rope down to the point where their little talons can get stuck in it. And that can get really bad because they can break their talon and stuff like that so pay attention to the the condition of the things that you're giving them they really like to chew on things like uh strings um like little paper uh like confetti strings stuff like that give them something to do i could talk about this for too long. We're going to move on. Loving my stubby screwdriver from LTX. I was wondering how many screwdrivers you sold, stubby, DIY, and normal over the LTX weekend. I think for the DIY, we did about 1,500 or 2,000.

I have no idea on the other ones because it's a completely separate dashboard and i haven't got my report other than just revenue i don't even know if we made money on ltx yet my uncle was asking me about this today he's hilarious sometimes he really like just he likes to be involved colton said it was profitable did he i thought so i think he said like not by a ton but it was profitable look at my uh look at my. He just like texts me all the time. You can read it. It doesn't matter. Like you can read it out.

Go to sleep. Oh wait, hold on. Who said go to sleep? Oh yeah, no, that's before. That was him bugging me about how many tickets we sold. And I was like replying to him in the middle of the night. So he's like go to sleep. Okay, that's an old conversation. Got a response from Nick here if you want I don't I don't know what this this is like mid-conversation so I don't really know what to say no it's just so you send

the revenue for the LT gala what was the profit and then he follows up like hours later what was the profit and I'm like not yet he goes seems to be taking a while I'm like yeah he says get them moving on it and I'm like having the. He says, get them moving on it. And I'm like, having the report won't change how much money we made. Lol. I can wait. He goes, I guess so. He's just like, he's like on it.

I want my stuff. Okay. Sorry. What did Nick say? He has numbers here. 500 stubby at LTX and like 300 regulat. Okay. All right. like 300 regulat okay all right so we moved about like 2000 somewhere between 2000 and 2500 screwdrivers over the course of the two days um oh that's actually more stubbies than i thought

they had told me it was a little bit slow and uh i i kind of thought maybe it was less than that we weren't really sure what to make of it because it was sort of competing for airtime with custom drivers just like thattime with custom drivers. That's tough. Custom drivers are super cool. I made one today. I still haven't made one. That make sense?

Of course. Yep. I had to. It actually looks pretty cool. I had to. How could I resist? Yeah. I brought the kids in to make them too.

That's cool. Which is part of why WAN show is late because i thought of a fun diy activity i could do with the kids while the arbor presses were set up for the short circuit that we were doing today on the upcoming something um and i was like you know what this will take like 20 minutes and realistically i'm going to be working like a 13 hour shift shift today anyway, so whatever. Sorry. You spent 20 minutes of my free time. How dare you be a good father?

I'm so deeply offended. They had so much fun. We had to lift up the girls to reach the handles on the arbor presses. Oh, that's nice. Were they able to pull it down? I haven't even tried, but I assumed there would be a decent amount of force involved. I mean, yeah, they tried. It was pretty tough for the youngest one, but the boy and the middle girl. So, yeah, whatever.

She's pulling down the arbor press and building her custom screwdriver. Someone's like, that's his Baldur's Gate time? I haven't even been able to start yet. I've had no time. And someone was like, I was kind of of planning on playing tonight and someone was like, are you gonna play tonight? I was like, I don't know. I'll play this weekend. I'm not gonna be super committal about when but I'll play this weekend. I mean you can you can do 20 minutes, half hour at a time.

No, that's not the right way to start that game. Gotta do the character creator, that's gonna take me a day yeah easy week uh okay let's continue i was gifted a set of 17 staff member ltd pins any history on them i'd love to know yeah we did them as a collectible at LTX, I want to say... 19? Was it 19? Yeah, it must have been 2019. Except we didn't get them in time. Yeah. So then we had to go through a whole thing

where we made them available online afterward to people who were at the show because they were supposed to be a show exclusive. And then the reason it's 17 is because I guess we removed the ones for people who don't work here anymore. I actually don't know if I would have agreed with that move, but nobody asked me, so whatever, we did it that way.

And we still had some of them, evidently. Nobody told me that, so I didn't know. And we gave them away, which nobody told me until I saw it posted on Reddit. So that's the whole story as far as I know. But we just thought it would be a cool collectible to have at LTX. Lloyd painstakingly recreated everyone's likeness in that cool cartoon style of his.

And I have my set at home. I will treasure them always. I never got one. You never got one? Linus was very particular, very, very particular at that point in time about making sure that there was separation between the companies. So I never got a pin. All right. Oh, you mean you weren't in the set?'s right you weren't in the set both of those actually

i never got any and i wasn't in it oh okay well if it helps at all i will i will give you um a pin you know what let's do it let's do a luke pin okay we're doing it oh my god sometimes i have to be aware that i can't bring certain things up because he'll just he has these like resources and he'll just do Things sometimes I know I have much power we can sell a pin That's like however many dollars and you just happen to get a backpack with it You should sell the Luke in with a free backpack this pin should come with the budgie pins. The hilarious promo is already confirmed. I've heard back from Nick already. That kind of communication is why I like working here sometimes.

You just say dumb stuff, and then suddenly somebody throws hundreds of dollars at it. So I email Nick. Subject line, hilarious promo. Okay, body, buy $250 pin, get a backpack for free. He replies, one minute later, you're dumb. Which, as far as I can tell, means we're doing it. It's a confirmation, yeah, it's happening. Yeah, because he would have sent a longer email if he actually was pushing back on it. Cuz he would have sent a longer email if he actually was pushing back on it Let's go. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, why would why would we do a singular Luke pin though? It's got to be there's one for my collection of pins. Oh wow okay, and also there's minimum order quantities So it's gonna take my cousin that was one and they just not even give me one I

Could do that. I could just get a sample. Oh, yeah, sorry. The sample's not great. We're not ordering it. No, Ivon will want one too. Hey, LLD, what auction item were you saddest to see go? Oh, definitely the PC.

Man, that was such a beautiful work of oh man there were some other so it's that sort of sad thing seeing old bonnet go was kind of the person who bought the old mineral case was at whale land i know yeah we featured them in a video oh that's coming that's uh it's uh it's roasting our viewer setups in person so i like you know how i go into that like bit i do I accuse them of stealing it yeah like quite aggressively yeah yeah yeah it's fun that's pretty good yeah quite aggressively it'll be good L and L my workplace and MSP started using an AI tool to prioritize tickets. It's going horribly.

Have you fallen prey to pointless AI implementations? What's the worst AI implementation you've seen? There's been a lot of bad ones. I'm just going to talk about what we did because I think that'll be a better answer. But we tried to make a AI helper for the store and it just like failed horribly. I don't know. It just is what it is. It was just like we tried so hard to make it rooted in.

Well, I'm saying we literally only one person worked on it. Conrad worked on it. Conrad tried very hard to make it like rooted in our information. But it would just like it we would ask it something that it should answer and it would be like oh i can't answer that because i'm like supposed to be rooted in whatever it's like wait hold on no the whole point is that you can't answer that and then it's just i don't know it just didn't work out so we shelved it and we're like maybe we'll come back to this later and then shopify in their most recent edition is like by the way we're releasing an ai helper so i guess the answer

is we're not going back to that but we'll just use theirs which is great that's the solution we want anyways to be honest um so yeah we we had a ai implementation failure we've also had a lot of success not with like building our own stuff so much. Oh, actually, I'll talk about this. The labs web team finished their quarterly goals a little bit early. So with the remaining time in the quarter, we had a little hackathon thing. One of the developers on the team, I'm pretty sure I can say his name. I don't know if I've asked him. Start with initials.

Yeah. Or maybe, no, no, don't do a last initial. Start with like- First initial only. First initial. D. There's two people on that team that start with D, so that's not helpful. Darn it. Anyways, for one of the hackathon projects,

I'll make sure in the future if I can say their name or not. I don't know. We got D from Luke's team. Yeah, but it's the lab's web team specifically. But there's two Ds on there as well. So whatever. Double Ds. The project that they chose to do was they grabbed a bunch of information that we had gathered.

I'm going to leave that as vague as it is. And they used AI to build automatically generated quizzes based off of that information which was pretty cool and that like actually worked that was a cool project we might use that for something in the future but yeah that was a little bit more simple than the shopping helping tool but yeah anyways yeah yeah yeah anyways yeah yeah yeah i'm tired okay me too it's literally midnight you know'm tired. Okay. Me too. It's literally midnight. You know, you have to drive me home too, right?

Yeah. On my car. Yeah. Get wrecked scrub. Actually, I wonder if my car is here. Cause, uh, it was still here when we like started the show, but maybe Yvonne was staying late. I'm going to check the security camera.

Yeah. It was here after I, uh, I left in the middle after sponsors. Oh. camera yeah it was here after i uh i left in the middle after sponsors oh this is like we we had a conversation earlier in the show about how we we don't hang out as much as we like probably should and also we were unsure how it would be if we didn't work together um i've always liked the the drives so back in the day i i couldn't afford anything so good another tangent it's not late enough yeah yeah yeah back in the day i couldn't afford anything so lanis would drive me home after work and then now uh he just never has his car here so i drive him home after wanshow i've always liked the drives heck yeah you have driving is a good time to uh like a pro parenting tip that i

got was um drive your kids places because once they hit teenage hood, it's one of the only times that you can actually like confine them to a space where they have to talk to you and there's nowhere to go and nothing else to do. It's like, yeah, that's some parenting hacks right there.

Luke is doing reviews again, which is awesome. Is it because the floatplane platform is far enough along now, or was it a result of the new CEO coming on board as it appeared to occur around that time? I don't think it's either of those things. I'm also not doing reviews. I think they mean you're being in videos again. Yeah.

I think they mean you're being in videos again. Yeah. All of my video appearances have been very light touch from my side. It's been other people's work. Like when I host a GameLinked, for example, like I show up on set for like 20 minutes. Oh yeah, the links are great for that. Like what I've been doing for GameLinked actually is I won't take a traditional lunch that way, that day sorry and i'll i'll i work in the lab and it films here so i'll just walk

in both directions and that's my like lunch and i'll bring some of my food for that day with me and just eat it while i'm walking and then i'm getting steps in i'm eating my food i'm doing all that kind of stuff and then i just with 20 minutes of my time that day, I host a game. Like, it's extremely low impact on me. Any appearances that I have in an LTT are kind of the same way. Like, when we're reacting to stuff, I'm not prepping any of the content for that. I'm not writing the video. I'm not doing the, like, heavy lifting pre-production type of stuff.

I'm just showing up and hosting which is significantly less impactful like wildly significantly less impactful on my time um than if i did have to do any pre-production because then it would be like days of work right and now it's however long it takes to host the content um so it's been fun it's been a nice like change of pace every once a while. I do not have the time to be doing more of the pre-production stuff. So yeah, but it's been nice to do some more camera stuff. Yeah. Why do you think Samsung's phone packaging has gotten more and more bland over time?

I blame Apple for this. Oh yeah. Basically every industry trend that's just like wow that's really boring it pretty much comes down to apple uh that that company that made the uh the funky mixed reality goggles um the one that like explicitly compared themselves to to apple and their... Oh, man. What am I looking at right now? Hold on. One sec. One sec.

I'm trying to find something I'm looking for here. No, wait. Maybe it wasn't these guys. What the heck? Sorry. I'm trying to make my way to a product page, and their site is incomprehensible. Okay.

It must not be these guys it must be something else or they have a new site or something i have no idea what i'm even looking at but you guys know what i'm talking about right where like every company and their dog has a product page that looks exactly like apple's style of product page with the dark background and all the gradients and like everything's different sizes on it you know what i'm talking about right yeah uh i the fact that no one can have an independent thought once apple does something in the technology industry drives me absolutely wild i i can't stand it but yeah apple moved to a super super minimalistic style of packaging and so of course so did everyone else because whatever i guess sorry for asking again this week but is there

any news on the automated mopping machines no badminton center oh i'm disappointed that project will be quite delayed fix that hey linus any news on the luxe backpack when will it hit the store um we're waiting on samples of the new style of carabiners in glossy like in in in plated to make sure that they are up to standard that is the only thing we're still waiting on then we're going to do one more sample then we're going to move one more sample, then we're going to move to production. I would say that if it arrives in six months, I'd be not surprised, but I'd be like, yeah, that kind of makes sense. And if it took longer, I wouldn't be surprised

because, I don't know, it's just kind of how we roll, I guess. Just used to it. Hi, LLND. I'm getting stick locks since the Steam Deck case takes up too much space in my LTT backpack. Do you have any suggestions on where to put my Steam Deck in the backpack without the case? Yes, I do. Let me show you in one second.

I'm just going to finish typing this thing. You know what? I'm just going to say it. It's easier. Colin says, how do you feel? Oh, that's not the right one. Jackson asks, with your experience using smart home switches, where do you see this

tech going in the near future in new houses? I don't see it really going anywhere in the very near future because it adds cost and home builders, especially in the current climate, are looking for every little way that they can shave down costs. So forget it. As for the question that I'm supposed to be answering, do we have any portable game consoles? I guess not. Anyway, there's a specific place for it. Here, Linus cam. So you're going to notice it looks different. This is the Lux bag that Linus has been testing for a while, but the

internal layout is the same? Yes. So in the main device pouch. Do you want me to hold that? I don't know. No, I think I can do it. Okay, in the main device pouch, you've got your laptop, you've got your oh, there we go. No, I think I can do it. Okay, in the main device pouch, you've got your laptop. You've got your, oh, there we go.

Oh, that's way better. Light. I mean, it's WAN show after dark, so whatever. Laptop sleeve. Then you can put your mouse pad or your tablet or whatever there. There's one more, like, nice, soft-touch sleeve if you wanted to, like, jam a phone or a second tablet. What about a second tablet? And then at the very bottom

there's a spot where on this side there's also screen safe material uh even in the regular bag this one's all the same material but there's there's a transition i believe and so just from the shape of having like another device here that kind of pushes out the middle so that's meant to take like the arch at the back of the screen and then the screen Is able to sit here and there's a little bit more room on this side and this side for sticks If you have stick locks on I would say that's a very suitable place to put your handheld gaming console And that is something that we did consider in the design of the bag You notice how many people are posting on reddit

Getting into motorcycle accidents with the LTT bag and it like it's like a thing yeah can you guys please take care of yourselves okay we're happy the bag is doing well in those situations yeah but also also please be careful please don't crash yeah hello linus and luke lefrendo how much do we have to buy from ltdstore.com for you to consider legally changing your middle name to Tech Tips? Linus Tech Tips Sebastian just rolls off the tongue. I have joked about it. I don't think I would ever do that just because, like, it seems like a lot of paperwork. It's also dumb.

I mostly am concerned about the paperwork. That's legitimately why Yvonne didn't change her name. She was like, it's like 50 bucks. And seems unnecessary. It's the most Yvonne didn't change her name. She was like, it's like 50 bucks and seems unnecessary. It's the most Yvonne thing ever. It's like $50 to this woman is literally meaningless at this point in her life. In the context of something you have to do only once, that's what I'm saying.

It's definitely not meaningless. I'll tell you that much. You want to know a funny thing that I'll admit here. Um, before I knew that she hadn't changed her last name, I added her to my phone contacts. I never updated it. Oh, so she's, is she Yvonne Sebastian in my phone contact? That's hilarious. Every time she calls me, I'm like, oh crap, I i should probably do that and then we talk about whatever and i forget and then hang up and then i never do it and every single time she calls me i'm like oh wow i should probably update that it just never happens like uh oh well yeah love the pins you've said you didn't feel comfy making explicit pride merch because you're not

lgbtq which made me wonder do you see ldd merch as only a reflection of you or the company as a whole i think it was more not wanting to profit off of correct yeah i had no problem making it that was that was never the objection and um i don't know it's it's it's it's always funny seeing criticism of me on the internet that's just stupid um you know one of the things for example is we've taken a lot of flack over the years for our diversity and it's like are you a f***ing idiot what am i supposed to out people yeah yeah you actually don't know you don't know anything so maybe you should just actually keep your mouth shut maybe that would be better um like it's as a as a company uh we are diverse and there's a lot more to life than just skin color or gender or whatever else. We're definitely an eclectic bunch.

I can say that much with scouts' honour, hand over my heart. May some higher being strike me down if I'm speaking a word of lie. Yeah, we're plenty diverse. But for me, as the shareholder who does not personally identify as LGBTQIA+, honestly speaking, I can't keep track of which acronyms are the right ones these days or which letters are the right ones. And again, that's part of it, right? I'm not engaged in that community.

And, and again, that's part of it, right? I'm not engaged in that community. So as someone who's not engaged in that community, even if we, we would, we would never discriminate against someone wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Like I just, yeah, I don't want to do it wrong and I don't want to profit from it. That's not, that's not right. That's just, that's just brazen corporate bullshit i also have like a on a personal level

this has nothing to do with the company but i'm not a fan of like how you know what is it may i don't remember which month it is um but every company seems to suddenly be selling pride branded things yeah like it's we don't it's not yeah i find that kind of gross yeah i i the cynic because the absolute second the month is over they're all gone yeah yeah which means they were probably all shipped off in a container to africa or something and like like really though um or you know spray painted and thrown or slashed and thrown into a dumpster, right? Because there's no such thing as producing exactly the right quantity of something. That's not actually how that works.

So, no, I just, yeah, we're not going to just sort of performatively support in a way that is inconsistent with our values, and our values are that we shouldn't profit off of things that don't personally affect our shareholders, who are the ones who are profiting from it.'s just ridiculous so you know what if i accidentally made some money on pins i'm over it i tried to give them away they're in the bonus pin yeah yeah um fine whatever and you could buy something else and get it for free yeah like um but that's that's a way for us to that's a way for us to fly the flag without

it just being about you know oh look at us virtue signaling how cool and accepting and tolerant we are no the most tolerant thing to do is to treat people like people which has absolutely nothing the to do with what kind of gender or color or whatever they are. I don't give a shit at the end of the day. That has nothing to do with your work. This is a place of work. Yep. Last of my curated. Hey, DLL, Linus, you mentioned on the Taiwan show that sometimes having to turn down offers

when companies don't work with you. What's the experience you really wanted to do, but you had to turn them down due to terms? I really wanted to go down to Microsoft to see the server infrastructure behind xCloud, Project xCloud, I guess they were calling it at the time. And we weren't going to get enough access, so I didn't bother going.

I really wanted to go, though. I thought that would be super cool. Last couple incoming, and then that's all I got. Four hours and one minute now. Marathon WAN shows back. To make me upgrade on the Fold, you know what? I'm going to make you watch the Short Circuit video. I do a Short Circuit video on the Fold, you know what? I'm going to make you watch the Short Circuit video. I do a Short Circuit video on the Fold 5.

So, haha, sorry, Neil, even though you spent $7 on a blue, pink, and yellow keyboard pin, I'm going to make you watch that video. I think it's going to come out this weekend or early next week. dbrand sponsored it, and they were a complete f***ing asshole. Oh, whoops, forgot. F***ers. About it as usual, so enjoy. Josh H. Oh, okay. Oh, I see. about it as usual so enjoy um josh h okay oh i see josh h says can we get an ltt backpack without the branding my response to that part of the question is i think the branding is pretty subtle

yeah and you can just take it off someone on the reddit unstitched it and it came off pretty seamlessly i'm not advocating for this yeah but someone has done it. And no, we're not going to produce a version without the like black on black rubberized thing that we put on it. It's pretty low key. The second part of that is when will we see a video without excessive lttstore.com branding?

The extra monitor video was excessive and I see it happening more and more over time. When merch stops being such a key part of our strategy to remain independent from outside influence i'm also biased here but i think most of the ltt store ad entry things are very funny so like i don't know it's probably cool it clearly worked you bought a water bottle hope you like it yeah you didn't pick the stealth so maybe the branding isn't that bad just saying stop mocking people who are our customers can you actually

stop mocking our customers questioning it first but you know it's after midnight so he's getting spicy yeah he's getting spicy um yeah for real though like we it's a huge it's a huge part of what supports our entire team and so yeah we're gonna we're gonna lean into it we're gonna meme it um we we try not to do both it. We're going to meme it. We try not to do both a float plane shout-out and a merch shout-out in the same video anymore. Yeah, that was a little heavy. That was a little much.

So we're always looking for the right balance, and we do take your feedback seriously. That's the real answer. Yeah, yeah. And the real answer to when the show is over is now. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye!

You know what's hilarious is we had a ton of merch messages today, but, like, the revenue was actually really low because everyone was buying pins. Pins and screwdriver bit sets. Remember when we thought that this many... Ridiculous. Hard. Yeah.

Oh, okay. See my card.