The WAN Show - Influencers Should Not Get Special Treatment - WAN Show July 12, 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 what is up everybody and welcome to the WAN show we've got a great show lined up for you guys this week I forgot what the title of the video is so it's about the Tesla oh lordy it has been alleged according to inside sources from Tesla that the company's self-driving training put more weight on training data from

Starting point is 00:00:24 influencers and youtubers with tesla vehicles in order to ensure that the people who were most likely to upload video of full self-driving functioning had the best experience we're going to be talking about that and how we feel about it what else we got oh wait no i was going to do two you need to do yeah i'll do two i'll do two what's going on nobody cares about the ai features on snapdragon x elite whatever the order is snapdragon x elite laptops what no one cares about the ai they just want battery life that's it are you kidding me luke that's the whole topic are you kidding me but luke i thought ai was all that bad you think of the children and their ai features

Starting point is 00:01:06 what else we got this week well i wanted to do that topic but uh the ryzen 9000 launched and uh xbox game pass increased in price because apparently everything has to not just increased in price also got convoluted as all get out i can't wait to talk about that oh no dude it's there's like five tiers of it now five tiers one two three four five the show is brought to you today by manscaped ag1 and c sonic of course alongside our secret lab chair partner whoops i mean our chair partner secret lab whatever the point is there's the logo this is great north underscore star says this just in my tech illiterate aunt isn't a tech ceo obsessed with ai you're right what no the the ai versus battery life snapdragon the point is let's jump right into our headline topic which is of course that tesla's self-driving oh i think self-driving is generous but then again calling it full self-driving is also generous so let's just call

Starting point is 00:02:31 it tesla's driving assists shall we according to business insider sources inside tesla have claimed that the company's self-driving training puts more weight on training data from influencers and youtubers with tesla uh and also ceo elon musk so that one is actually makes sense to me well no i want to unpack that one a little bit more later first i want to talk about the influencers current and former employees say they were instructed to put additional resources into routes that were frequently driven by these vips for example having employees who review and annotate footage for training having them spend more time on footage from these drivers wow if effective this strategy means that tesla's full self driving would be significantly smoother and more accurate on these routes than it would be on a typical road it is therefore likely to

Starting point is 00:03:37 conclude that the company wanted high profile drivers with large audiences to have a better experience without even knowing that their experience was not representative of what the average user would see which is super bad this is this type of activity is something that you have to try to look out for as a reviewer um the the first way that i was introduced to it was people talking about golden samples yeah where companies will send you a like known perfect version of their product instead of just picking one off the line and that can be a problem especially when you're talking about performance products yes because we would talk about like golden sample cpus yeah where a brand would send you a cpu that is like the best possible binning which we've tested multiple times

Starting point is 00:04:25 and never found evidence of in terms of our cpu sampling but what i've heard is that it was potentially a practice in the earlier days of tech media yes especially when overclocking was a far more important aspect of reviewing a potential chip at one time that was like the main that was the main thing i would read on articles when i was a kid yeah but can you overclock the snot out of it yeah yeah um now my question is because obviously there's the there's the things about this that are just generally skeezy right like you you shouldn't want to misrepresent your product because it's going to lead to bad experiences for your customers. I mean, we discussed this in detail when we did our video earlier this week on AMD's extremely misleading naming scheme for their Ryzen mobile processors. It should be in

Starting point is 00:05:14 your best interest as a company to accurately represent your products so that you create brand loyalty and people come back to you time and time again. i'm not going to get too deep into that right now but what i want to talk about is is or should this be illegal because technically i don't think that tesla is violating any law nobody says that they have to that they have to manually annotate the footage from every user equally. They could have any number of reasons for focusing on a particular area. Oh, we're doing a big focus on hilly terrain. Or we're doing a big push on unusual signage.

Starting point is 00:06:00 Or we found that this user is in the the bottom one percent for successful self-driving sure so the area that they're driving in must be highly complicated let's try to train on that data and figure out what's going on so they could offer up any explanation for this that would be at least plausible enough that it would be difficult to nail down beyond reasonable doubt that they did this simply to juice the perception of full self-driving and bilk people into spending thousands of dollars for a feature that is not going to perform the way that they might expect it to now there have been situations where it's not really bilking i think when tesla offered a preview of full self-driving i believe believe they offered a month. Was it two months? They offered a preview of full self-driving.

Starting point is 00:06:47 And many people tried it out and were happy with it and kept it. But many tried it out and kind of went, this is not what I expected and did not move forward with the purchase. But there have been times when I don't believe there was a meaningful way to get a refund if you

Starting point is 00:07:05 bought it. And correct me if I'm wrong, have they always offered the option to return within 30 days? I would love to hear from you guys. No, not always. Yeah, I didn't think so. I was pretty sure there were times when they were basically asking you to buy at sight unseen especially in the earlier days when the like the betas weren't even functional from a from a fully self-driving perspective so at what point

Starting point is 00:07:36 do we look at this whole thing and does this become one of the like great scams of the 21st century. Yeah, I mean, it's rough. Because it's been going on for half a decade now. There are still people who will attack me for talking about how this has been a failed promise, how it was so obvious from the start that... Weren't they the ones that announced that it doesn't work on hardware 3 or whatever yeah oh but people oh dude people are still so mad what is up with your elon hate boner or whatever else it's not it's not elon specific

Starting point is 00:08:16 i'm sorry i can't i can't hear you with his in your mouth like i my job is just to cover the tech i don't care i don't care and any company that lies so consistently about something so expensive i mean look look at it from this perspective if you bought one of that one of the first hardware 3.0 cars where they said anything running hardware 3.0 will be full self-driving you could be done with that car by now and you never got it so someone in the chat said hold the influencer accountable um that doesn't work if the influencer doesn't know how could they know this is that's the thing we go out of our way sometimes like secret shopper for example yeah is a situation where we are doing everything in our power to best replicate the average user's experience. It's extremely time-consuming.

Starting point is 00:09:12 It is extremely expensive. We have to bring in, essentially, actors to play the role of the customer, right? Because I can't just, what, call up Star Forge or call up main gear and place a purchase uh when i you know literally um know or have interacted with the ownership of these companies right like it doesn't work that way right so secret shopping going incognito can be extremely challenging and it's not even really applicable to a situation like this where the only reason they own the car it's not even really applicable to a situation like this where the only reason they own the car it's not like anybody gave them the car the only reason they own the car is because they're a customer and so as a customer they are fully entitled to experience it day to

Starting point is 00:09:59 day that's another thing this is something that you can't really review like in a week it's tough right so i can't just i can't just hire someone to be a a tesla full self-driving tester and then i mean i guess conceivably i could but i would have to i would have to hire them to just drive the car around. Or not. All over the place. Sit in car. All the time for some extended period of time incognito and then funnel that data back to me with no tie between the car and myself. And I'm looking at it going like,

Starting point is 00:10:39 you've got to understand what you're asking these average car channel or, or technology channel people to do. Like it's not reasonable. Even if you're a really big time car, car channel and have the funds to do that. Is that what you really want to spend, spend your funds doing?

Starting point is 00:10:55 It's dodging their training things. So they can't tell that it's you like the heck. No. Yeah. There's, there's no way that they could possibly be responsible for it there are due diligence things that we as you know influencers or media or journalists you know the people who cover this stuff and at their it from their various angles right there are things

Starting point is 00:11:17 that we can do to anonymize ourselves but in this case they had no reason to even i mean this is some tinfoil hat level here like that they're going through and fine-tuning the roads that full self-driving works on to be rep to be better where i'm for where i drive i mean what kind of like narcissistic asshole would you have to be to even think of that? To even think that the companies that makes the products you buy are going to fine tune the experience just for you. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:55 Yeah. And I'm sure somebody thought of it, but like, I clearly it's, and clearly it's real, but this just, this blew my mind. could like you could um i could see ways if depending on the compute in the car that you could have it training

Starting point is 00:12:13 actively specifically for you in your area yeah but that isn't what they do because they train the model off-site and yeah yeah no i know i know yeah now the next thing that i want to unpack is the fact that it is specifically tuned for the roads i don't that mr musk drives now hold on i don't know if this is a problem personally okay i can give my i'm going to i'm gonna i'm gonna take your take sure and then i'm going to obliterate it. There's probably something negative along with this, but the first way that I read that was more based around Elon being very open and giving with the data of him driving.

Starting point is 00:13:01 So he's like, whatever, train on this as much as you want. Not necessarily, I want all my routes to be perfect here's my two reasons it's terrible actually they're really one reason that is no there are two reasons there are two reasons that it's terrible no it's one reason the reason okay hold on hold on because think about if we did something you would want it tested on you all the products in LTT store are made like for you. Okay, but here's the problem. If you handed me a golden sample that was different from the one you give the customers,

Starting point is 00:13:34 I would be f***ing livid. All right, yeah, fair enough. Yep. Because you're making a fool out of me. I'm going to go out there and I'm going to sell them on the features and performance and quality and then they're gonna get something that is not what i promised essentially whether you whether

Starting point is 00:13:53 you misrepresented it to cover your own hide or whether i am i don't know misguided enough you should almost have like to demand that the least trained on data i should be the most anonymized user yeah so i am getting the most real experience now i can understand from tesla's perspective why they don't want his car especially to just swerve into a telephone pole but if other people are going to drive in it you should be confident enough that you're willing to do that. Exactly. No, I'm on board now.

Starting point is 00:14:27 All right. Yeah. Good enough. But it was a good effort. I tried. So, like, I mean, it's the same reason why I like having customer support close to developers. Yeah. Because you need to hear and understand the daily problems of the users.

Starting point is 00:14:44 Because, you know, you're not going to be able to solve every single thing that comes up. Exactly. But you shouldn't be shielded from them. That is the biggest problem that I have encountered time and time again with management level people, especially in larger organizations, is the more removed they are from the day-to-day operations, the more they just don't have any chance of understanding the customer

Starting point is 00:15:05 yeah and the more the more misguided their product development gets even even in an organization our size i feel it sometimes oh yeah where i'm sitting there going oh really and and this is coming from someone who is reading your chat right now this is coming from someone who who reads comments who also reads the daily summary getting an outside perspective from our community coordinator uh steven um on what you guys are saying i feel so official to hear you call him steven chewy i still have blind spots and it's just inherent to getting larger like i'll find out about a okay here where's that thing dan i can i please have the thing the thing you showed me before the show the terrifying thing oh okay i would like it oh my god oh really okay actually okay okay i just about crapped myself when i saw

Starting point is 00:15:58 this it's not done yeah that's fine it doesn't. There's actually a lot more that's going to be added. Okay, this is the process flow for the creation and publication of an LTT video. What is it missing? It's missing the pre-production steps. So that red box in the center there is the entire pre-production steps when the video is planned, when it's going to be shot, where it's going to be shot, it's going to be shot what do they need when is the shooter assigned good flipping gravy men so remember when in the in the pre-show i pointed out how much live stream on full plane costs yeah one of the questions i had the first time i saw that was how much does that cost a lot i bet how much does every one of those jumps take time how much much time is just in jumping that many times?

Starting point is 00:16:45 Every time somebody orders something, logistics has to do work. Every time somebody uses something in inventory, logistics has to do work. I mean, people keep asking. The knock-on effect. Linus has like a hundred people. How do they not have a video immediately about everything? What percentage of them do you think work in writing? a video immediately about everything.

Starting point is 00:17:02 It's like, how many, what percentage of them do you think work in writing? Support staff is incredibly important and so valuable and invisible to you guys in the end product. I mean, look, do yourself a favor, okay? Next time you go to a movie in the theater, first of all, give yourself a gold star for keeping that dying industry afloat.

Starting point is 00:17:24 And then second of all, don't walk out when the end credits start watch the whole list scroll by obviously we don't operate on a hollywood level either in terms of our budgets or we're not filling coliseums with water or our production complications but it should give you some idea that it's not as simple as you know linus and two of his broskis on set fooling around with computers there's so many touch points there's that many days there's that many touch and we're not producing one at a time yeah there's like 20 or 30 that chain is parallelized 30 times it is insane it touches every single department in the company including cw how we started doing that was we were we were looking

Starting point is 00:18:12 at our that's what that's just this week that i've done that yeah and that wasn't even the original task but now it's like the clearly more important one um the original task was okay we have we have teams we have slack we have uh g suite we have outlook we have uh people text each other people discord each other people call each other people call each other on teams people call each other on meet people like oh yeah there's a bunch of usually calls me on whatsapp i gotta add that to the list so we're trying to figure like what are all the communication methods at the company and what do people anything highly confidential i almost always message yvonne somewhere else just so you know as long as the somewhere else is good then that's fine it's good

Starting point is 00:18:54 it's end encrypted yeah it's fine yeah i'm just saying i'm just saying i don't need that and we don't need that i'm just saying i'm adding it to your list is that if something is like of that is how it should work. Yeah. If you wanted recommendations, our team, no, no,

Starting point is 00:19:07 I'm good. I'm just saying it wasn't in your list, so I'm just helping. But so we were trying to map. Yeah. What communication software do we use? How does it get used? When does it get used?

Starting point is 00:19:15 Jamie leaves post-it notes for me. Dear God. Really? I'm going to cry. Well, did you see how many times the mirror in my office fell down so he leaves post-it notes for me every time it falls down saying it's definitely fixed this time and also other post-it notes i mean that's that's just fun that's fine keep doing that um

Starting point is 00:19:38 but yeah and then and then this like spider web started forming and uh yeah i mean this has been something that i've wanted to look at for a long time yeah and it's really interesting seeing where the potential communication breakdowns are because for example the entire editing stage is done through teams dms between the editor and the writer and so if the writer is working on four or five videos simultaneously then he's managing four or five different individual email teams dms with four or five different editors that are in multi-stage production right things get wacky and like some of this stuff is gonna have to keep happening oh yeah but we need to be aware of that so that if we pick a new communication suite it needs to be able to handle

Starting point is 00:20:21 these use cases that we already have something that i'm trying to find the whole company because we try to migrate us to a different chat client yeah entry and exit points for communication yes you want to buy a thing who is notified when are you re-notified when that next step has happened right it's crazy it's not crystal d fear asks why is there a mirror in your office it's a fair question given the state of my hair today but in theory i'm an on screen talent and should probably know what i look you know before that would be a genuinely pretty funny flow plane exclusive is in the i think it was the reviewing the best rigs that we've done over the years video

Starting point is 00:20:56 uh we turned it into like a linus hair review part way through if you remember that i do they should actually do a like linus's hair over the years video there's some pretty wild stuff in the early ncix tech tips days because it would just be whatever i rolled out of bed with yeah and it would just be sometimes it'd be duke nukem bleach blonde hair yeah um there there were there were some as appearing on camera like basically every day with no schedule other than when i have time to do it man i've had some mondo zits i've had some supremely bad hair days i've made a lot of questionable fashion decisions in my life um all of those are well documented yeah it is what it is so that's cool i'm actually i'm going and i'm looking right now i'm going to All of those are well-documented. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:45 It is what it is. So that's cool. I'm actually, I'm going and I'm looking right now. I'm going to NCIX Tech Tips here. I mean. Yeah. I don't even know who this guy is, but don't worry about him. Who gets the AdSense payout for this these days?

Starting point is 00:21:59 I have a theory. Yeah. But that's just a theory. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to say what my theory is but i i have a theory and it's uh it's not the most like up and up theory but it's a theory all right yeah really i think someone's getting it yeah and i don't think it's anyone who works at ncix yeah well it isn't me i I'll say that much. That one's good. That one's good. This one? Uh, no middle left. The blonde. Oh, Oh Lordy. The super blonde. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:35 Let's go. Yeah. Um, here, here is a just got out of bed day. That's for sure. Uh, yeah. I don't know what that is 14 years ago i know right oh man what remember this cringe uh lizard hat yeah so that was that was airbrushed for me on a like sidewalk in victoria or something nice yeah i had like a gecko on it or something i don't even i don't even i don't know what i was thinking you guys i that dude that hat made a lot of appearances though that might be it oh it might be a different hat it doesn't matter the point is that oh god it's back anywho so good the bleach blonde was that was a that was a classic d brand wanted to bring it back i thought they were going to sponsor me to dye it again on the show or something i'm down d brand come at me yeah yeah it's going to be a big bag of money

Starting point is 00:23:28 or i'm not doing it though because my wife is not going to be into it not going to be into it uh speaking of hair stuff how's the painting going well i told you already that i had to completely strip the wheels, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I stripped one of the wheels, which took me, I don't know, two or three hours or something like that. So I stripped one of them down to, like, primer slash bare metal, thinking that they would be close enough that if I painted them,

Starting point is 00:24:00 they'd get not even close. So I've got to go all the way down to bare metal on that one, so I've probably got to put, like, another hour into it. And all the way down to bare metal on that one so i probably got to put like another hour into it and then i'm gonna have to do the other wheel then i'm gonna have to try again um i don't think i'm i don't think i'm riding this summer oh but maybe that's okay because i next summer it's it sucks it sucks because um yvonne is finally taking some long overdue mat leave uh this summer so as of last week last week or the week before so either no last week the beginning of last week she's not in office for the entire summer because she's still working

Starting point is 00:24:44 i know i was giving her a hard time yesterday because she was like working too much she's not in office for the entire summer because she's still working i know i was giving her a hard time yesterday because she was like working too much she's she she agreed to work in a day a week but she's been doing more than that but anyway okay the point is she's finally theoretically taking some long overdue mat leave because i mean you remember this back when back back when our firstborn was an infant we wisely founded a company together and so she spent all the time that she had off from her job doing this other job and then had to go back to her old job and effectively have two jobs from then until like what like five years later or something. How many years it was. I think around there, yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:25 Yeah, somewhere in that neighborhood. And then at every point where we had a kid, she was working. And, like, obviously, like, we couldn't pay her because she's not working or whatever. But she had a lot of stuff that if she didn't do it, it would, you know, if she didn't spin those plates, they would fall and break. So, so she did a lot of work, even though she was also caring for an infant, which is a full-time job. Um, and so finally, now that our, you know, now that our second is nearing the decade mark, um, she's's she's getting a summer off with the kids to to hang with kids and do kid things um so thank goodness for that that's uh that's amazing and i forget where i was going with this right she doesn't really want my hair to be blonde i think that's what i

Starting point is 00:26:17 was talking about people are asking for mine as well and i'm i'm saying valhalla for the company oh if they pay enough, I'm down. Okay. All right. It's going to cost double. It will look really bad on me. It will. It'll look atrocious.

Starting point is 00:26:31 Oh, you're going to look awful. Yeah. Especially if you keep the beard. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to look like an idiot. Which no one wants me to remove. So it's probably going to stay on anyways.

Starting point is 00:26:40 Yeah. Oh, you could just do both. You can't dye it. Okay. Yeah. No, it's a completely different composition of hair. It doesn take dye nearly as well like you can do it like you see people that have like you know the purple braid in the beard or whatever like you can do it but it's it's a lot more like pubes yeah you know where it's that really wiry hair that you get when you

Starting point is 00:27:00 go through puberty so it like literally is yeah so it's it's that really wiry hair and it just doesn't take dye nearly as well that makes sense i don't know what will look stupider no if you try to dye it oh or if you just don't try because your head hair you're you're really blonde right so you're gonna you're gonna be like like white blonde yeah whereas i am kind of a dirty blonde um but i tend to go more of like a yellow and especially because i want to have more pigment in my hair my hair becomes a lot lighter when i spend more time in the sun and based on my upcoming schedule i'm gonna be spending a lot of time in the sun so it's gonna be quite bright anyways oh you got some vacation coming up no i just have a lot of plans to be outside nice yeah it's gonna be good nice yeah we're gonna look like idiots with matching hair dye jobs oh yeah we should wear the same shirt

Starting point is 00:27:54 if they pay triple is dan gonna do it too is dan talking about it wait he's talking about doing silver yeah you can't dye your hair silver dan i was wondering like does it do we do a different color or is it both blonde oh it has to be blonde all right are you in i mean it's it's hell yeah it's not it's 1997 baby we should just frost the tips. We should get puka shells. Oh man, we're going to have to do a special edition shirt or something like that. It should be a polo shirt. The bro fist shirt.

Starting point is 00:28:34 But like our hair's blonde. Oh, how do we integrate Dan there? We could have Dan. Should I just be in the middle going like this? Wow. And then we'll have a couch behind it? Wait, oh. As I said, I'm down. I mean, you saw

Starting point is 00:28:54 I had a fist out, right? What did you think was going to be happening? I mean... By the way, since we're getting all erotic right now anyway oh wow yeah so so when i was when i was touching my my chest to kind of show the shirt i have boobies now i've been swimming i've been swimming yeah probably two of every three days for the last little bit last night i did a kilometer um which is not a ton but it's a lot more than not swimming for a kilometer yeah um and so i did um how do you okay just laps yeah yeah yeah so every every length is about 13 meters or something like that

Starting point is 00:29:41 or whatever it works out to um so so one lap is 25 meters and i go out of my way not to push hard off the wall like i'll just position myself but then i'll like swim um check it out i got boobies yeah just a little bit i can visibly see flex it hi i don't know how yet. Oh, um, Oh, maybe a little, I think I can do it a little. How do you not know how to flex your, yeah,

Starting point is 00:30:11 there you go. Yeah. I've never had any muscle there. Chest muscles weird. Cause you don't actually really use it for like a ton of stuff. You sure as heck use it for swimming. Yeah. I've been really sore dude.

Starting point is 00:30:24 Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, honestly, the time, and that was confusing me too. ton of stuff you sure as heck use it for swimming yeah i've been really sore dude yeah yeah anyway honestly the yeah time and that was confusing me too have you never tried to flex your pecs before i've never had pectoral muscles to speak of something guys back me up on this back me up in the chat if you don't have like if you're flat chested how do you flex a muscle that is like so underdeveloped? No idea how we don't know. See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Bringing in a bodybuilder to teach Linus how to pose would be kind of sick. If you did like bodybuilding poses for the underwear shoots, no.

Starting point is 00:30:58 Hell yeah, dude. I have a limit. I absolutely have a limit. It's surprising, but it does exist. Anyway, yeah. i absolutely have a limit it's surprising but it does exist um anyway yeah no the reason that i like really wanted to start swimming all the time was uh it was prompted by that injury that i got on softball night because i've had these persistent uh rotator cuff here i've had some persistent shoulder injuries and so i really started doing it just more as like rehab yeah just working on all the different muscles that are so hard to use um unless you really know what you're doing in the gym or if you're doing a

Starting point is 00:31:34 really dynamic activity like swimming uh so i was like okay well i'm just gonna i'm just gonna get in the pool and justify the bloody expense and all the work that this stupid thing has been um and so i was i was mostly just focused on like doing different strokes like range of motion and like moving around a lot and you know what it's been it's been better softball night the last softball night didn't injure myself felt really good hit a pretty good dinger i don't think i got a home run but i got a triple um and yeah it's yeah it's been's been feeling good. And then now all of a sudden I have boobies, which is very weird for me because I've never really... I've had them that I can remember.

Starting point is 00:32:12 I was in really good shape in late high school when I was really into martial arts, but I was super lean. I probably weighed, even though I'm the same height now, and I actually still fit into my uniform from when i was 16 which is pretty wild that is kind of wild but i weighed probably 30 less pounds but i was lean dense yeah but i gained muscle i was no but that's the thing is back then i could do 50 consecutive push-ups now i couldn't even i could i could probably do 15 not 50 so i don't really know what's going on if your muscles in your legs

Starting point is 00:32:50 it won't help you do push-ups and you haven't been training your chest you've been training badminton which is your legs yeah i don't have a thigh gap i mean i'm pretty sure you can block that with muscle that's the other thing too like uh when i was when i was 16 i was also doing all my lifeguarding training and stuff like i i should have been but you're saying that your pecs are getting stronger from swimming yeah so what i'm saying now is your your current muscle building activity is strengthening your legs mostly so if you're putting mass in your legs that's weight that you're pushing up when you're doing a push-up and you're not training your chest ever i just you're trying to do 50 push-ups it's gonna be hard yeah i just mean like back then i would have thought that i would have

Starting point is 00:33:37 a crazy amount of training you could get back to 50 um yeah it probably wouldn't take me all that long but it hurts because i'm old and my shoulders are old i get weird yeah like when i do yeah like yeah i don't remember this work that out though it gets better with time the next batch of fan art is gonna be epic oh my god you just have like huge chest i had a i had a thing where i've gotten to the point where when i get a chest pump from going to the gym and doing chest day the seat belt i i can look down and there's a gap when the seat belt crosses my chest that was an interesting moment i was like whoa all right i don't know how to feel about that theoretically it's a good thing because it's a it's a muscle

Starting point is 00:34:22 chest pump so like it's just it's just weird it's a weird thing because it's a muscle chest pump. So it's just weird. It's a weird moment. All right. What on earth are we supposed to be talking about? Luke, do you want to pick a topic? Sure. Let's see here. Nobody's buying Copilot Plus for the AI.

Starting point is 00:34:40 Despite Microsoft and Qualcomm's heavy marketing focus on AI features, most consumers buying Copilot Plus laptops appear to be buying them for their competitive battery life. Users also don't find these laptops' exclusive AI features like co-creator, Windows Studio effects, and live captions with translation useful on a day-to-day basis. Further, many popular applications like Adobe have simply decided not to adjust their ai features so they run locally as the vast majority of pc sold this year will not be able to run those types of things on device anyways so you'd be doing a bunch of development for a very small portion of users

Starting point is 00:35:16 yep well well i uh ai stuff is interesting ai stuff is quite powerful yes and it's cool and it's not necessarily beneficial when you just force feed it into every single thing that you make and the the bigger the bigger issue for me is just that it's um it's not integrated into most things, if that kind of makes sense. Like I can AI, you know, track separation. Like some of the demos that Qualcomm is doing around these Copilot Plus PCs, legitimately super cool. That track isolation DJ thing, that's awesome. Pretty wild.

Starting point is 00:36:04 For whoever is doing their dj work on a laptop and whoever uses that specific piece of software and whoever doesn't have access to a cleaner non-ai way of isolating that track so we're just we're just looking at we're just looking at a very very small subset of users. And you know what? Once that is more broadly supported in applications that people are going to use, which is only going to happen once every device can support it, I could see that being part of someone's flow.

Starting point is 00:36:38 And like an average user's flow. And when I say average user, I don't mean everybody. I mean an average user who would need to do that so let's say i'm a i'm a street performer okay i do i i do uh performances of of mainstream music um at a train station and i play the guitar track myself okay super cool i can rip the guitar in real time essentially out of any track that i want and you know infringement aside yeah that's super convenient yeah but until it's broadly supported on hardware you're not going to get broad software support and until it's broadly supported in software you're not really going to get any kind of market penetration so it's a really cool demo right now but i just don't see it i don't see it moving the needle honestly though the bigger thing for me the

Starting point is 00:37:31 reason that i highlighted this topic for the doc in the first place was that i just don't see how after qualcomm spent so much time talking about what a key point it was for Snapdragon X that they had excellent battery life, that it was a surprise to them. That was number one. That was the most important thing. I mean, everything about this platform that we've looked at has been something but battery life. Okay performance is solid except when it's not but battery life yeah compatibility is a lot better but it's still spotty but battery life

Starting point is 00:38:18 how does the battery life compare to a mac solid okay i was gonna say that's the real fight here it's finally good yes does it go to sleep okay that unfortunately there's no like meaningful way to conclusively test and it can be really inconsistent like one that's exactly it could and the other one wouldn't so this will be like we'll have to see with saturation and the same laptop might sleep perfectly today and then on saturday i put it in my backpack and on monday it's a furnace in there and i take it out and the battery's dead i don't know yeah fair enough yeah very very frustrating but everything we've talked about with this platform has been like yeah there's compromises but the battery life and i i think that i think that something that here hold on a second are we oh man what's the oh my goodness this is really embarrassing uh someone made a video about our um our snapdragon video and i forget their name uh okay anyway uh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh anyway the point the point that i was trying to make

Starting point is 00:39:40 is that when we were when we when we talked about the platform, for us, the battery life was a major, major focus because the vast majority of the time that people are using their computers, they're doing something extremely light. And essentially what we want to know is how much of a drain is the processor when you can't turn the screen off? You can't turn the wireless connectivity off?

Starting point is 00:40:03 Like how much is that just having the system powered on affected by the idle power consumption of the processor in it and as it turns out on these devices it's really really good and everything else is usable enough i mean it's not perfect um when we did our game stream we we went through, I think it was somewhere between 30 and 40 games, I think. We made it through a lot of games. This is a long stream. It's like three or four hours. But we made it through a lot of games.

Starting point is 00:40:35 Did they all work? Oh, no. Heavens no. Now, some we knew weren't going to work, but there were lots of others that were broken in creative ways. There was one where Spider-man spider-man uh the hair physics were just wild every hair on only better modeled characters like main characters was like sticking out and like physicsing around like this like it was hilarious it's kind of Yeah, that was pretty awesome.

Starting point is 00:41:10 But, you know, our perspective on this product was that we understand that it's first gen. We understand what people are buying it for. And no, we don't think that people are buying it to, you know, architect a building. Copilot, whatever, yeah. No, we don't think that people are buying it to use specialized applications on it we think that people are buying it to essentially do most of what they do in a web browser and get really really great battery life out of it and in that context it's a major success and honestly i think some of the negative discourse around the snap dragon x launch has been from qualcomm just over promising yeah they should

Starting point is 00:41:46 have just said you know compatibility is still a challenge strong like really headstrong too much yeah and i do understand why they were confident it's a good product but just but but just letting other people beat the drum of positivity would have been better than doing it themselves. That's, I think, the big mistake that they made, if I could identify one. At risk of sounding too positive to Apple, I think as well, I think people were maybe a little bit more hopeful about this launch because the M series, like MacBooks, that launch went so well. had issues yeah but it was really smooth it was really smooth but the expectations are so different like what i'm saying is i think that set the expectations higher oh i just mean the expectations of a mac user are so different like i could do a lot of what i need to do on a mac by never stepping outside of first party Apple software.

Starting point is 00:42:46 Yeah. And so that's a really, it's a really different ecosystem. And I use that word in a non disparaging way. It's a very different ecosystem than what exists on Windows, where you've got all these disparate developers. And you've got all these kind of eras during which their applications were created, all these expectations of support across different hardware. It's a real challenge.

Starting point is 00:43:13 Honestly, maybe that's part of it too for me, is the fact that it's as good as it is. I'm just really impressed. Because I didn't hope that Windows on ARM would ever gain traction. But it's very clear that it's happening now. I'm still holding out hope that that framework risk processor laptop is going to be sick. um we've got a really long topic kind of on the on the the the call out on our snapdragon x elite video and honestly i'm kind of looking at a lot of it going like i don't think we need to delve into this just go read the comment yeah there, there's, um, yeah, there, we, we published a full response,

Starting point is 00:44:06 um, on the video, which has been posted on a couple of subreddits, including our own. You guys can go check it out there. Um, but there, there is some discussion here.

Starting point is 00:44:16 You know, there's some of the discussion is like how much testing is enough to come to a conclusion. Um, you know, I wanted to include more in the video, but the reason that we didn't include more was because the methodology wouldn't have been up to our standards um there were things that we tested that we didn't include because they weren't repeatable enough and it's a brand

Starting point is 00:44:35 new platform and that comes with challenges um so the the discussion question here is like should we should we include janky testing in our review videos if we disclaim them as such like one of the things that i was upset about when i arrived on set because this was a rare video that because of other obligations was mostly worked on by other members of the team usually i'm pretty deeply involved but on this one i arrived on set after having had conversations about how we were going to do it and i discovered that we hadn't followed through on any kind of thermal testing and the answer that was given to me was well we don't have reliable diode data and i kind of went well what i would have liked to see is at least, you know, a thermal camera pointed at a tape strip across, you know, two price comparable performance comparable notebooks from Qualcomm and Intel or AMD, where we kind of look at, you know, surface temperature.

Starting point is 00:45:36 Make it meaningful to me, the user, even if we can't draw a conclusion about exactly what the thermal draw is or excuse me what the power draw is and therefore the thermal output um and that was something that you know there was some debate about by then it was it was sort of you know too late to do much more than you know just uh um a mention if anything but you know that's something that maybe we need to philosophically re-examine like are we willing to do kind of um janky janky tests as long as we say like look this is this is what they are and i i see it both ways like going back to the roots of ltt i don't know if you remember this video i'm pretty sure we worked on it together um but there was this uh screen protector film like a like a like a paint on screen protector that claimed to create like a nano coating over the glass that made it scratch proof even though

Starting point is 00:46:38 you painted it on and the test that we came up with um something like dragging it behind your bike yeah i dragged it down the street with the screen facing down on the phone behind my motorcycle. I'm pretty sure I'm running after you with a camera or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what? That's not scientific at all. But what was cool was we were able to pick it up and kind of scratch at the thing and go, oh yeah, there is a coating on here, even though we couldn't see it and and you know it's something um but we've also kind of evolved beyond that and i can see the argument the other way that if we can't stand

Starting point is 00:47:13 behind it especially in light of how how much scrutiny there has been on us if we can't stand behind it 100 are we better off saying nothing but then we don't say anything and we get attacked for hiding i don't think you are what are you even talking about i think you just need to make it clear what the like level of confidence is basically um yeah except that the top upvoted comment on the discussion around this is that our graphs are already unintelligible to the average person our graphs are just bar graphs if we start adding error bars like that's the thing that's no they're not that's the thing that very scientific minded people don't realize sometimes i think is if you start asking

Starting point is 00:47:57 for you know confidence intervals okay to be clear i i think in order to do that it would have to appear very differently i don't think it would have to be a label on a graph i think you would have to like present the information not even on a graph necessarily to like communicate without words even but you should probably also do it with words that this is not to the same level of of okay but then professionalism is the other how much of our video which and like look I don't want to start publishing 60 minute video essays about the merits of some stupid processor. You're the one that wanted the lab. Like we it's really interesting to me to see the way my words get twisted against me. Like we we strive to be entertaining.

Starting point is 00:48:38 That doesn't mean that we're an entertainment channel. We're still a tech channel where a lot of people have unironically learned a lot about technology um but that doesn't mean that i'm going to compromise on making content that's good i don't know you're talking about i'm entertained because to me it's an entertainment channel for anything to be good it has to be at least digestible it has to be over a certain bar of entertainment value um and so you know no i don't want to spend three minutes on disclaimers luke sorry run john in full plane chat just said do the graph and crayon and i actually love it it communicates pretty well but you could still you could even like do it digitally so that it's like fairly clean crayon but still make it obvious like this is it's supposed to look like a piece of paper with crayon drone on it um

Starting point is 00:49:35 sorry you're like all eloquently talking about trying to communicate with an audience and the perception of the channel and stuff and i'm crayons i just i don't know yeah yeah i don't know sifrin said the latest amd video is one of the better videos i've seen i think i may have aged out of a lot of the videos now still enjoy wanshow though um nice you know yeah i'm glad you do um honestly that amd video is not the kind of thing that i want to make though this this rising video the most recent one like i i am i'm tired of being angry yeah like maybe maybe in future we don't make that video i would like to i'd like to find a brighter side i'd like to you know what i want to finally do little tech shop of horrors we've talked about this a lot of times

Starting point is 00:50:36 why don't we like actually open an it shop we just just do it people are gonna troll you so hard we make videos it might be worth it might be good for content but people are gonna troll you so hard um i think that we probably gonna compete with what's his name uh keith from uh from black uh black lab this guy charged me so much money you You can open, how much of that stuff do you still have left? Do you have any of it left? We still have all of it.

Starting point is 00:51:08 Just put it in. You have a storefront already. You don't even have to buy the convincingly dusty old junk. You have the convincingly dusty old junk. God, there you go. There's your legitimacy. I don't know, man. Like I just, I, uh, convincingly dusty old junk you have the convincingly dusty old junk oh my god there you go there's your legitimacy i don't know man like i just i uh i want to reconnect with you know excitement and fun and like i'm just i'm tired of being i'm tired of being mad and cranky

Starting point is 00:51:39 about you know this branding or that that fps that's six percent lower i'm just it's so boring to me personally i find it incredibly exhausting any new thing that i get interested in i go to try to find the you know the internet community around this thing because i'm like looking for more information whatever and they're always just every single time it's just hatred and anger and i'm just like i don't want to be here anymore. I, I, I, I, I talked about this in writer's meeting today and just like, all right. I didn't talk about this specific part today,

Starting point is 00:52:10 but I've talked to the writers about this, about just wanting to be an oasis of, of positivity and optimism. And we're not going to be dishonest. Obviously, if something's bad, then we're going to say it's bad. If you're reviewing something,

Starting point is 00:52:23 you got to be legit about it. But I guess what I'm trying to say is i want to be more selective about what we cover and i want to cover things that i think are cool yeah nice yeah i think that'd be neat i mean you got to be negative sometimes because like you said you can't be dishonest about things but uh i don't know i find it exhausting um hate gets views people just the the whole doom scrimmling nature of just like you go on the internet to get mad and stay mad it's just like i also i also think that that that cynicism is part of no no offense um to whoever said they had outgrown our videos i i think that cynicism is part of why you might feel that way. One of my problems is I don't really watch our stuff.

Starting point is 00:53:11 I think it makes it hard to enjoy anything. Do you feel like that negativity is a theme on the channel right now? I don't watch, I don't know. No, but that's exactly it. And I think that it's easy to... But then is this really a change then? I think that we can do more, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Because even the things that you look at, like what we've done over the last little

Starting point is 00:53:42 bit, like this, this we did because we felt it was really important. AMD bucked a trend that has existed basically forever where the first number indicates the generation of the product. That, to me, is unacceptable. Do you know about this? Wait, what? No. So their mobile chips will no longer use the first number to indicate how new the product is that will be the fourth number now yeah i don't like that yeah yeah that's worth making a video

Starting point is 00:54:13 about that makes sense yeah you still gotta do that kind of stuff sometimes yeah but then this is just working with the kids to fix the gaming minivan this is checking out an ancient keyboard that we found a picture from the chernobyl disaster that had this exact keyboard in it and so ariel from the lab like got it working again like he did with that weird soviet mouse um this is something maybe we just shouldn't have covered so it's uh it gets pretty deep into the weeds on what a dual mode monitor is and maybe we should just leave that for someone else to explain because to me it's not that exciting i think that most people probably don't need it do you know what it is it's basically a monitor with two edids okay and the reason for that is that um essentially as

Starting point is 00:55:07 far as we can tell um no scaler can handle um 480 hertz refreshes at 4k even at the panel level because like obviously no no input can handle that anyway so at the panel level they can't do it so it has to run in two different modes it has to run in a 480 hertz 1080p mode or a 240 hertz 4k mode in order for both of them to work natively essentially and like yeah maybe that just maybe that just isn't 11 minutes and 46 seconds worth of interesting and we just shouldn't have bothered um like this was fun just building the ceo computer with that like wild sinister case this was really fun uh checking out this hard drive with 25 million computer viruses on it the why did you make me build this computer in that thumbnail looks like one of the toys from toy story that was like ripped apart and put together by that by that kid

Starting point is 00:56:07 i don't know why it made me think of that but yeah i don't know i think trying to bring positivity when you can is a nice thing to do on the internet because it's just yeah see this is tough like unique username says that whole amd video is the least interesting thing you uploaded on the main channel in recent months marketing is bs always has been always will so what well it's like awareness of a bad practice though i i respect making that video like i if it doesn't perform that well i mean. But then, so if nobody says that, right? Like, isn't that my job? What is my job then?

Starting point is 00:56:48 Tell me. On like a very technical level, it's just to like get more views, but I don't think we've ever seen it that way. And that's why you've always resisted VC funding so that you can keep dictating what you do. And I think what you would probably say you do is like entertaining education about computers and computer hardware and electronics igniting sparks

Starting point is 00:57:09 is the way that i like to is the way that i like to sort of characterize it it's always fun when you go to like a show or a convention or something and you're you're meeting audience members and they tell you about how like you inspired them or your channel a lot of people tell me that the channel did i'm like yeah cool that makes sense um to like go to school for computer engineering software engineering whatever else it's like oh that's pretty cool yeah it was pretty cool meeting and munition and here being like yeah you like taught me how to build a computer i was like yeah like that's sick that's super cool that stuff's super cool um be passionate about your interests and bring us along i mean yeah maybe that's uh maybe that's super cool that stuff's super cool um be passionate about your interests and bring us along i mean yeah maybe that's uh maybe that's a mission statement for the channel from run jun over on

Starting point is 00:57:50 float like that that's good good job run jun yeah like and you know what we've we've sidetracked some of the stuff that i'm really passionate about because various reasons it's a lot of work or we're not sure how many people are interested but like maybe i should just say you know what forget it we're making a video about stereoscopic 3d projection in 2024 you've always been on the 3d stuff look okay look stop you caring you caring that much though in my opinion is a pretty good reason to do it i think here's why it's cool stop what a f**king i'll be a good boy here's why it's cool okay 3d blu-rays still get released for the yes yes they do what yes you can get like despicable me at least three uh hold on let's see despicable me for 3d or wait is that one not out yet yeah

Starting point is 00:58:57 so you can get you can get the most recent despicable me in 3d despicable me 4 is probably coming in 3d according to this post on forum.blueray.com me 3 is from like seven years ago okay okay hold on okay tyna said in full plane chat if the host is interested people are way more likely to be interested um if you are interested in talking to somebody about it it's highly likely they'll become interested i do generally agree with that one of the problems is getting people to click on it at all okay new blu-ray 3d releases this year a creature from the black lagoon 3d came out in march of 2024 okay 3d blu-rays are still coming so there has to be some type of a market because technically some of them are being released yes um nice okay so that's that's something okay number two last year so not ces of, but CES of the previous year, we made a video that got buried because of some dispute between Asus and NVIDIA over what could or couldn't be disclosed about the laptop.

Starting point is 01:00:14 Let me just put it this way. Oh, so it, yeah. Anyway, the laptop had a stereoscopic 3D screen on it, and it was super, super cool. It was the first justification that I've ever seen of a 4K screen on it and it was super super cool it was it was the first justification that i've ever seen of a 4k screen on a laptop it used eye tracking to um change the perspective of every other eye so that every other line uh was going to the right and every other line was going to the left and it was glasses free 3d um and it could like steer so you could move your head around and it wouldn't break the 3d effect it was really incredible anyway one of

Starting point is 01:00:51 the demos that they were showing was like a middleware of some sort like some some app that you can run that converts non-stereo 3d games to 3d and so what if you could build like a king tier stereo 3d gaming setup in 2024 okay all right well you know what whatever i'm doing it yeah do it i'm doing it i can already tell you sourcing a 3d compatible screen not easy these days sourcing the polarizing filters not easy these days getting a 3d compatible projector is pretty doable because pretty much any dlp will work pretty well unfortunately not my epson ls 12 000 i have already tested it and this is going to be at least a two-part series darn it because so i know i know aj's in the chat i know today aj we talked about many many many many things that we need to do but at the top

Starting point is 01:01:50 of that list i think you need to make it so that uh floatplane live streaming is 3d compatible so that we can see how much we can make that cost okay and reason number three is that with vr headsets becoming somewhat mainstream ish i believe there's going to be a 3d content resurgence 3d content resurgence with iphones being capable of recording three i mean excuse me spatial video i think there's actually going to be a lot of content to watch there. Got him. I didn't really get him. He's not convinced, but it'll be cool.

Starting point is 01:02:32 It'll be cool. And I don't think, I don't think we're going to have like some form of like a, a time budget for like just passion project content every once in a while. I just think it should just all be passion project. Let's just do away with the stuff that's like boring yeah and so you know what this is going to manifest as if a new cpu comes out and we don't care we're just not going to cover it yeah which is going to be i think a bit of an adjustment uh and we've already kind of done it if you think about it it wasn't really on purpose i think you started of an adjustment uh and we've already kind of done it if you think about it

Starting point is 01:03:05 it wasn't really on purpose i think you started with gpus yeah intel's 14th gen oh we just yeah didn't yeah we did a bunch of testing on it and in the long term we would love for the lab's website to have charts and everything so you can like know how it performs or whatever um but it was pretty obviously just a 13th gen in 14th clothing and we so we did a bunch of testing on it and then it turned out that there was some kind of like microcode update or or the bios we were using on the on the particular board we used anyway we had to like retest so then we did that, but then it was past the embargo, and then we were like, do we even want to bother with this? And while we were humming and hawing, we had the new data,

Starting point is 01:03:52 and then Intel released some software utility that core steers and improves gaming performance or something, which was exclusive to that generation and was not going to go to 13th gen, even though there was no architectural reason why they couldn't. And then that came out and we were like, okay, so we're going to have to test this a third time for some boring video that no one cares about. And then, and then a little while later, they made that application available to past gen processors in their own

Starting point is 01:04:19 lineup. So we would have to like go and retest those. And we were sitting here going, anyone forget it like yeah forget it um so yeah i think i think just a chart on a website is going to be the answer in the longer term and you'll still see them appear in videos we needed the best cpu at you know 300 watts so or whatever or for like this game or this application or this particular game and so that's why we're building a computer into a van again and the little man likes to play this particular game so this station needs to be good at this yeah that sort of thing so you'll you'll still see it make its way into the content but i think that we're just gonna we're gonna stay

Starting point is 01:04:59 focused on on what we actually want to do like okay i want to do a convection cooled computer cool yeah for the theater room i'd click on that immediately yeah sick so why am i not why are we spending a bunch of like you know justin's time doing something no one cares about when instead we can like take that idea that someone had on reddit of like cooling a gpu with like a giant copper chunk which by the way isn't going to work um but like make a cooler for a gpu that like is like this wide and just takes passive airflow and just convection cools it that'd be way better yeah yeah sweet yeah yeah speaking of the lab man it is pretty exciting to see it finally starting to come into its own there was uh there was a reddit thread just appreciating the lab um and the thing is that not everyone is going to agree with every methodology which is why we have

Starting point is 01:05:59 always said guys always said that you want multiple perspectives some people are going to look at our 720p youtube endurance test and they're going to go well that's not representative and it's like well yeah it's representative of what we want to know which is in a best case scenario which is functionally like idling but you can't turn off any radios you can't turn off the screen everything's in motion uh what is the absolute longest that something could last that's that's what we want to know so for what we want to know that's a good test but someone else might want to know something else which is why multiple perspectives are so important and why it's not just one single truth especially and it never can be as varied and

Starting point is 01:06:42 complicated as a laptop exactly so many different reasons why someone might care so this was a really cool thread to see from disaster 84 labs is pretty great um so they finally finally made their way over to the page um and you know i was looking at it going i feel exactly the same way it is super cool to see content starting to regularly appear on the site not because millions of people are reading every one of these but because people are getting really important information we still haven't even technically like full launch the site this power supply um the power supplies that we're testing This power supply, the power supplies that we're testing are alternating.

Starting point is 01:07:28 So you'll actually notice there's a pattern. Every other one is from like a major brand. And every other one is from a brand that, or a model, that appears to be selling very well based on the external data that we can glean from marketplace websites like amazon and new egg and wherever else so that's why you're seeing half of them be kind of random we have already found three power supplies that failed our testing outright across two different samples so this sama one is another example um people are spending a hundred dollars on this power supply on new egg and amazon both of them both of our units failed during our 20 degree celsius ocp test

Starting point is 01:08:14 if your over current protection isn't working that's a big problem and so seeing the labs already starting dude to bring this information to people is so exciting to me can you go back to that sama power supply yeah i was sitting here just rather surprised i don't do product reviewing stuff anymore so i don't know but i i saw all the text under the bad and my eye sucks i couldn't read it but you were saying um it failed yeah i thought this was a c-sonic power supply look at the logo i know right you said samba and i was like what yeah it makes more sense to me when you said that look at this sketchy 80 plus platinum looking 10 year warranty yeah so they kind of make it look like Yeah, right?

Starting point is 01:09:07 They make it look like a Seasonic Platinum The logos are like identical But reversed? Yeah, that's rough, man Ridiculous I don't even think it's reversed Casper Explorer goes Apparently it says Platinum 10 Plus Yeah, whatever that means

Starting point is 01:09:21 Oh no, 10 year No, no, no no i don't know um no here let me see what it says rough though yeah here here here here here so they put up they put like a platinum looking thing 10 year warranty next to the 80 plus gold yeah yeah anyway um yeah casper of course says i thought samma was good well uh that's the point that's the point of the lab that's the answer to why we're spending all this time building this thing i don't like that so we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna keep doing it but i think i want ltd to be fun and you can get the bad news in a in a manageable bite-sized way that doesn't have to be what you, like, sit down on the couch and relax to watch, you know?

Starting point is 01:10:11 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we're supposed to do some merch messages. Oh, man, we've got some exciting stuff to tell you guys about store-wise. Oh, I see some of you found it. Oh, yeah. There's been some merch messages today neat uh wanshow wanshow exclusive lime day is coming uh you guys are going to want to sign

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Starting point is 01:10:55 Anyway, we're previewing one of our Lime Day deals. You can see it in our favorites. It's exclusive during the broadcast and maybe shortly afterward for early VOD viewers. But we're doing a screwdriver bundle where you can get the full-sized black screwdriver and the stubby-sized black screwdriver.

Starting point is 01:11:14 I don't believe we have ever discounted these models before like this for $30 off. So you can go ahead and add that to cart and leave a merch message. The way merch messages work, and they are the way to interact with the WAN show. We don't do super chats or Twitch bits or anything like that. You just add an item to your cart, and you'll see a little box in your cart when we're live. And you can leave a merch message, which will pop up down here. Or it'll go to producer Dan, who will reply to it. Or forward it to someone internally who can answer your question.

Starting point is 01:11:47 Or it'll go to me and Luke to talk about. Dan, do you want to show these fine folks how merch messages work? Sure, absolutely. Let's see. Dear Monsieur C. Bastian and Large Friendly Bear and Busbar. Sure. Any plans for a water bottle lid with a relief valve so that we can chug with abandon without water spilling it on our face? Not yet. Let's see. Hey DLL, I started watching your ancient live streams, archives

Starting point is 01:12:14 and the very first WAN show. Linus said that sound cards are a must compared to motherboards on board audio. Is this true for modern motherboards? No. Nope this true for modern motherboards? No. Nope. Are those the shortest two consecutive merch message answers ever?

Starting point is 01:12:31 I feel like we owe them another one. I have never, I never know which way it's going to go. It's either going to be, I've given you some that I think you're going to say no to, and then you talk for 20 minutes, and then some other ones which I think are going to be bangers, and then no. I'll tell you what dan yeah why don't you answer that last one is a sound card a must no

Starting point is 01:12:53 all righty then see you later choose your airpods all i'll say about it is that i miss i miss it mattering yeah man 3d accelerated sound it was fun getting like zonar cards and like i don't know it was cool and you could do things that were neat yeah um i don't know man you can still you can still get pretty into the weeds on usb dacs and amps and stuff and i have a usb deck if you're you know like even those have gotten kind of boring yeah you can get something that's good enough you can get a good enough combo unit for 100 bucks and i feel like a lot of the advancement in the last five years anyway has been just like chasing new preferred tonalities as a like it's more fashion

Starting point is 01:13:46 and less actually trying to achieve accuracy like everything post odak as far as i can tell is just like or o2 or whatever it was that one that was like yeah this is good enough and it was like 130 or something like that and yes yes in our pursuit of perfection i'm sure there's stuff that's better now but i just don't care i'm still using my like mayflower o2 yeah like 2013 yeah it works and it's fine yep okay hey dll i recently hit 1000 sorry 100 000 subscribers on youtube but i'm worried about maintaining long-term success with my channel or whether i should get a normal job after i graduate university next year any advice it's i really wonder what they do it's hard um long-term success looks like a lot of different things to a lot of different people at 100,000 subs on YouTube, depending on what kind of content you do, that is very easily monetizable to the point where you

Starting point is 01:14:51 don't have to work another job if you don't want to, I shouldn't say easily that is, is possible. However, what you have to consider is that in order to monetize a YouTube channel, you are effectively adding another job for every way that you intend to do that a YouTube channel, you are effectively adding another job for every way that you intend to do that. So people will tell you, oh yeah, you can sell merch. If you just put your logo on a t-shirt, that's not going to get you very far.

Starting point is 01:15:16 If you develop products and market them and support them, guess what? You just started a company essentially, right? So you've got to kind of ask yourself what the YouTube channel is to you. Is it a creative outlet and something that you want to do for fun? Is it something that you want to pour your life into?

Starting point is 01:15:40 You've already done the hardest part. The first 100,000 subscribers is by far the hardest part. The first 100,000 subscribers is by far the hardest part of what you're doing. But that doesn't mean that because you've done the hardest part, you will magically have unlimited future success. I talk often about how everyone succumbs to the curve, which is the waxing and waning of interest from the audience and sometimes it's you um sometimes you've changed sometimes it's them sometimes they change sometimes it's factors beyond any of your control um if you if you're in there's also niches like youtube niches that you could be in where 100,000

Starting point is 01:16:26 subscribers will not sustain you because the cpms on it are incredibly low you won't get any sponsors on it etc etc but or if there are other ones yeah like financed youtube apparently there's been a lot of controversy over there lately oh really i don't know it doesn't really surprise me on all the youtube any any anywhere you're making the kinds of cpms that i see like finance tubers making whatever service that is is making so much money that they gotta be getting it from somewhere yeah and it's probably the users yeah so like yeah that's that's reasonable um but yeah, my favorite one is engaged, enthusiastic, professional niche. Because when you combine those things, that audience is like more likely to do things like external platform funding, more likely to do things like merch purchasing.

Starting point is 01:17:21 Tough day. And also, yeah, like become a member of your channel, like support your channel directly. So you could stay relatively small. And as long as you're giving these people content that help their job or just interesting to them, that's an audience that is more likely to support you. The conversion rates and finances of some of these channels that fit that description are amazing when they're getting you know around a hundred thousand subscribers but this is paying them way more than a full-time job could at that time because their niche fits that little category but never change your niche to just chase money you have to do the thing that you're interested in and good at yeah i am aware of other verticals that pay far more than tech oh yeah why am i in tech

Starting point is 01:18:10 is that's what we do that's what i do it's like if i wasn't if i wasn't sitting here talking to luke about what's happened in tech this week on the land show we'd be hanging out at the office i don't know where would we work where where would we work that we would work together what's our hypothetical company that we work at together today if it isn't this one huh it's a tough one that is actually a tough one have you thought about what you would do if it wasn't this uh well i mean mean, there's the like, what I would have done. Like I was interested in pursuing a career as a teacher until I dropped out of university

Starting point is 01:18:51 and therefore that was not an option anymore. So you'd be in like, you'd be like product management maybe. I think that I could have gotten into a non-certified teaching role of some sort. I shouldn't say non-certified. I mean, like, I have my certification to teach swimming lessons. Is that what you would have wanted to do

Starting point is 01:19:10 at that point in time, though? Is that a thing you would have been interested in pursuing in 2014? Well, the thing is that we have to pick something that I'm interested in pursuing that isn't tech. And so the only thing I care, I lived and breathed. Wait, so it can't be tech at all.

Starting point is 01:19:27 I thought it meant tech YouTube. No, no, no, no, no, it's not tech. Then there's like no way. Like we're at some non-tech company like talking about the developer. We're around the water cooler at some place. I don't know. I could easily still be,

Starting point is 01:19:44 I could easily still be at the pool maybe i'd be a supervisor maybe maybe i would train lifeguards i i could have seen myself that'd be kind of cool just continuing because i'm i think you would like that i'm always looking to to move up and it was clear that they needed some help i remember i remember doing my wsi training and having not have done that together. Having the... So WSI is water safety instructor. So I was learning to be a swimming lessons instructor. And I got into an argument with the...

Starting point is 01:20:14 Not just the instructor of our course. For some reason, the one who teaches people to teach WSI was teaching us. Because she was being shadowed by a bunch of new WSI instructors so we had like the head honcho of like training WSI and I got into an argument with her because um she she was saying because we did like uh like sounds so on brand so she did a demo for us that was intended to demonstrate how shocking it can be to be thrown into an unfamiliar environment, even if you functionally know how to deal with it. And the example was ice water, right, which can cause you to forget to breathe. It can cause muscle muscle tenseness and cramps.

Starting point is 01:21:03 It can it can cause some real challenges if it's not something that you're ready for and you know it was part of like a conversation on just like being ready for anything when you're and teaching people to kind of be ready for unfamiliar situations and um uh so she had us like plunge our our our arms i think just like into ice water and um and she was like yeah and because of the ice um you know it's it's even colder than zero degrees and i was like um actually it's exactly zero degrees and she was like no it's lower don't want to like, I don't want to be that guy, but I'm in grade 10 science and it's definitely exactly zero degrees. And she basically like shut me down in front of the whole class and was like, you're stupid

Starting point is 01:21:59 and don't interrupt me when I am explaining important scientific concepts and uh hey thanks deanna um good job that's actually not how that works it was exactly zero degrees but anyway the point is that i um it's not salt water guys yeah no guys it was relax it was it was fresh water okay yeah um anyway the the point is that i i could have seen myself you know after having an experience like that wanting to move up the ranks and like improve the quality of training so that it has accurate information extremely on brand like that wasn't that wasn't the that wasn't the only dumb thing um yeah oh my god g freak oh one okay do you guys do you guys need a science class okay what is your consistency of brine remember they're americans guys once it has reached equilibrium okay when there is a when there is a phase change okay until the

Starting point is 01:23:11 until the substance has completely changed phase and we're talking about water specifically in this case i'm not talking plasma or anything complicated okay we are talking gaseous solid liquid phase changes okay so going between a solid and a liquid as it melts from solid to liquid it it is it is that that liquid is at a constant temperature and it is not until all the solid has become liquid that it can begin rising in temperature again i forget exactly the technical term for it but if you have a bucket of ice water, it is at zero f***ing degrees, barring any salt or impurities

Starting point is 01:23:51 or whatever the case may be. Yes, the core of that ice cube could be lower than zero degrees. And at the very surface of that water or at a point where you're touching the side of the bucket, the water molecules nearest to that could be a little higher than zero degrees.

Starting point is 01:24:09 But by and large, that heterogeneous mixture of water and ice is zero degrees. If you don't think so, it sucks to suck. Go test it. Yeah, yeah. It'll be fun, A little science experiment.

Starting point is 01:24:25 All right. Yeah. Jeez, guys. Heterogeneous, Elijah. Man, I'm reminded of that awful video that we did where we tried to explain that when your CPU is running at a lower temperature, that does not mean that your computer is kicking out less heat. And just like how angry people were

Starting point is 01:24:47 half of people were angry that i was explaining something that was so f***ing obvious and the other half were angry that i was saying that a lower temperature cpu means that it's the same amount of heat because they didn't understand it. Thermodynamics hard. Yeah. Anyway. Cool. Now it's time to do the ton of feathers versus ton of steel one.

Starting point is 01:25:21 Yeah, yeah, exactly. I fell for that one when I was in high school my dad pulled that one on me he goes what's heavier pound of feathers or a pound of bricks and i go pound of feathers or a pound of bricks rather and he's like no they're both a pound derp and i was like um uh but the air resistance the packaging required to keep the feathers on the scale yeah exactly resulted in it weighing more linus hates hot dogs, exactly. What are we supposed to be doing? Oh, right. We did a couple of merch messages.

Starting point is 01:25:47 Oh, that would mean the feathers are less. Yeah, it doesn't. Because if the scale says a pound and there's packaging around it. Oh my God, it doesn't matter. You've got about six minutes till sponsors. You could do another quick talk. Del Mane says the best answer to that is the feathers because you have to live with the weight of what you did to all of those birds. I think I've heard that before. It's good though did it involve a brick no no no no no no no as a bird lover he's very uncomfortable or not

Starting point is 01:26:19 leave the bird alone you dunk them in the negative one degree water. What if the water in the bucket was outside though? You can have negative one degree water. Have you seen those bottles of water in the freezer that you bring out and then they freeze as soon as you disturb them? Yeah. Typical engineering mindset answer. Tynan goes, that would be a horrible way to get feathers from a bird very inefficient have you have you not seen that yeah that's the problem tynan

Starting point is 01:26:54 that's the problem with that well they have those water bucket tumbling things no like legitimate like is that a thing yeah you get you get the feathers off of it wow it comes full circle yeah all right cool uh what are we oh yeah i wanted to talk about some pretty exciting water bucket tumbling thing i wanted to talk about exciting things um okay uh lime days oh i have oh apparently past increase is that an exciting thing uh apparently i have a couple more deals to preview. Oh. 3D Down Jacket is going to have a great deal during Lime Day.

Starting point is 01:27:29 We're also going to have an amazing bundle deal featuring the Circuit Desk Pad right when Lime Day starts on Tuesday at 9 a.m. Pacific time. You are not going to want to miss this one, so if you're watching WAN Show now, you have a heads up. It's going to be limited quantity, so be ready. The deals are going to rotate every day though so make sure you check back every day during the event um and sign up to

Starting point is 01:27:50 be notified um oh dan's going to put the qr code so you guys can sign up to be notified okay the last thing is uh we have been working i had my mic muted i I just make those sounds. Oh, okay. I said, boop. I thought everybody heard it, so I didn't know. Don't laugh at me, Luke. It's all me. It's a lime day. Don't miss it.

Starting point is 01:28:19 Okay, hold on, hold on. Don't move the graphic. Don't move the graphic. When they come back, I want you to see the thing. I mean, you guys are still up there in the corner. Oh. A little bit. Well, cat's out of the bag now.

Starting point is 01:28:33 There you go. Or should I say under the brick? Did anyone see it? They might not have seen it. Cat's out of the brick. Oh, Jesus. I said under the brick. That's worse.

Starting point is 01:28:48 I thought that was an old but still checks out reference all right i guess we have been working dan you can cut to us on an anti-static pc building mat for the past year in collaboration with mod right the creators of the original and patented mod mat our goal was to provide a safe anti-static work surface, you know, like the kind that everyone tells you you're supposed to use, but as a price that doesn't take away too much from your PC building budget. So with that being said, we are going to be selling the LTT Mod Mat for $59.99.

Starting point is 01:29:17 It's four feet long by two feet wide, so plenty of room for whatever you're working on. It has visual references. Oh, here, actually, should we go, let's go Linus Cam for a change. Is this a final version? so plenty of room for whatever you're working on it has visual references oh here actually should we go let's go linus cam for a change is this a final version no do you want me to hold it up for you uh maybe uh okay uh tons of useful charts and info it also looks super cool here we're just going to go to the wide cam because this thing is enormous it's dual layered so the top layer is dissipative providing electrical isolation between any two points on the mat the bottom layer is more

Starting point is 01:29:50 conductive allowing for dissipation to the common ground point which is one right there and one in the top right it is heat resistant so bending tubes will be no problem here above it and it has a textured surface that prevents screws from sliding around while being easy to clean it has an anti-slip bottom but actually i want to back up and say easy to clean again because this is one of the big big uh innovations uh luke go ahead and have a seat and dan do you want to move the luke cam to point at the table next to him where his headphones are um compared to competing products uh we are extremely proud of what we've managed to do with ease of cleaning and luke's going to do a live demo which never goes badly on the wan show where he is going to

Starting point is 01:30:38 spill thermal paste on the mod mat okay and successfully clean it up so dan's going to aim at the table down there and you're just going to kind of move your stuff get your get your stuff the heck out of the way uh there's there's a few changes um that we're going to be making to it is this a final version no we're adding some more elaboration to the screw guide that's something that a lot of people ask about it's like what screw do i use for this or for that so we've got little visual representations of all of them as well as what they're most commonly used for we've got thermal paste um stuff uh layouts uh since since we did this one the ram guide that you guys are looking at that's right by my hand uh we you've already got the

Starting point is 01:31:20 version that has lp cam and cam 2 on it, but we've added separate ones for ECC. Oh, neat. For DIMMs and SODIMMs, along with color coding where all the notches are. We've got all the different M.2 sizes, different radiator sizes, different fan sizes. The fan dots, see there, like the little guide for where you put it down,

Starting point is 01:31:39 those are color coded so that it's really clear that you're lined up with the right ones on the new one. We also have a fan thickness chart, now that they aren't all 25 millimeters thick yes yes we've got the ethernet pinouts right i double checked that personally no i was looking at the texture um you can see it better in the in the yeah okay so dan are you uh are you in position yeah okay where your finger is right there so luke i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna make a mess I'm gonna make a mess oh boy do I get isopropyl or something how am I supposed to clean this oh wow so you just you just missed oh wow I was gonna say you just missed the CPU completely but then you also just rubbed it in

Starting point is 01:32:24 there you go buddy have you guys done this um i haven't i can't believe you've done this okay actually can i have that cloth for a sec sure my finger has a lot of thermal compound on it now and i would like to type on my laptop here you go all right should i punch in a bit more sure maybe digitally yeah sure let's see what I can do about that. Oh, I see why Tynan's in the chat today. Testing these was fun, to be honest. Yeah, Tynan has done a lot of work on this project. Tatiana did a lot of work determining exactly,

Starting point is 01:33:02 und exactly the perfectest, mostest of materials uh for us to use i am i'm actually really really excited about this product it's finally an affordable oops wrong one loot cam that was so close i won't sorry sorry there you go okay you gotta not switch it right sorry sorry sorry sorry well i was wipe. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I was trying to switch it to the one right as you were going for the first wipe. I was on the wide. Okay. Go for it. I guess away from the camera? Okay.

Starting point is 01:33:35 You're gonna have to like, you're gonna have to work at it. There's a lot there, Luke. I don't know. I haven't done this before. You better be able to clean it. It might need more ISO. Yeah, Tynan says you might need some more ISO. I put a lot on. Yeah, that was a...

Starting point is 01:33:58 You really messed up. You dropped like a Threadripper upside down. Look, guys, this wouldn't be, this wouldn't be a live when show demo if I didn't make it like far worse than it had to be. Love it. So we finalized the graphics probably, let me think, um, two days ago i i went through and i did the last revision of um

Starting point is 01:34:32 changes to i i think i found something that was not an error but a little bit hard to understand on the fan pinouts um and then revised some of the wording on the screw thread guide um we had to order a ddr5 uh ecc sodium or something like that like i forget which one it was but there was something that we had to order uh in order to like validate that the measurements were exactly perfect and then other than that i think we're we're in pretty good shape you you know you need to wipe that while it's wet right yeah yeah okay i mean you're like you let the whole thing evaporate before you even scrubbed it why don't you just do it why don't you do it why don't you do it properly

Starting point is 01:35:20 you ever think of that no no it's dry you're just you're you're you're dry dry scrubbing yeah there you there you go. Okay. That's a lot. Well, whatever. Look, Luke, I think I have like, there was so much thermal paste and I'm having a hard time getting like even clean parts of this cloth at this point. Oh man. All right. I think it's mostly gone though all right so guess what this is the part where i make it even worse you know you know what's a real bitch and a half to clean off of uh work surface what is it liquid metal oh my goodness well i've got some more isopropyl uh i don't even know if iso is your best bet uh tynan would you even recommend iso for liquid

Starting point is 01:36:19 metal you just try to wipe it straight off uh tynan says the liquid metal is a pain in the butt i'm not gonna put that much on in the butt i'm not gonna put that much on this time nice i'm not gonna put that much on i'm just gonna put a little bit because realistically if you spilled liquid metal a lot of the time you would probably throw the the the needle back onto the syringe and try and try and suction it back up yeah which i have done on a number of occasions. Yeah. All right, here we go, here we go. Here we go.

Starting point is 01:36:51 Now, if there was liquid metal in the bucket, could the water have been below zero degrees? All right, all right. Okay, where's our spot? Right here? Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay.

Starting point is 01:37:04 All right. Well, here, I'll... Okay, then I'll suck back up as much as I can. Okay, but, like, you know, it got on there and stuff, so, you know. Aww. Yeah, there you go. When it was still a ball, I was like, all right. There you go, buddy. So you guys are saying no isopropyl for the liquid metal? What did what did tynan say tynan knows tynan knows best what did tynan say

Starting point is 01:37:30 he apparently said nothing meanwhile elijah is talking about bathing in liquid metal good lord i used ipa before isopropyl alcohol yeah all right well here we go I used IPA before? Isopropyl alcohol. Yeah. All right. Well, here we go. Good luck, Luke. What if I let it dry again? No pressure, but our gigantic order for this is all hinging on your performance here. Oh.

Starting point is 01:37:58 Cleaning the liquid metal off. Oh, no, that was too easy. Well, here, you can't show it to the camera i like think i got it uh oh all right there's a little dot left oh got it okay well that wasn't very much fun here's more well wait wait wait let's verify let's verify oh no no there is still on there no you're gonna have to keep going ha you still got liquid metal got him i started trying to wipe it and then there was like oh it should have got a ludwig swipe bidet then i wonder if i just wiped poorly and wiped it back on that's a real possibility when you have that much thermal goop on your uh on your rag oh no i switched cloths oh did you do we have more than one? That's probably smart.

Starting point is 01:38:47 I think we're good now though. Okay. Now what people are asking is, okay, but what about the print? And this is where, this is where I'm actually really impressed with. I've been wiping over the print this whole time. With the, with the quality of this product. Check this out. Yeah. Lift, lift it up a little bit more.

Starting point is 01:39:02 I'm trying to get like the good angle. Yeah. I want them to see it. Cause this because this this is i just wiped over this one right now quite a bit yeah lift it up a bit more though like the yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah right there oh down there you go so yes that's where i've been actively cleaning if you're dedicated enough you can you can cause a little bit of damage to the print but it's pretty impressive what it can uh what what it can withstand i think there's a little bit of damage to the print but it's pretty impressive what it can uh what it can withstand i think there's a little bit here there's a little bit oh yeah there's a bit yep

Starting point is 01:39:31 i was also like scrubbing really yeah i know but but that's i mean we gotta have realistic expectations it's still it's still printed um the liquid metal came off really easy yeah very the liquid metal honestly came off easier than the first amount of thermal paste but the first amount of thermal paste was a lot very excited for this product it also lies flat really well we have to ship it rolled oh we have packaging we have packaging oh yeah created by of course the one and only sarah butt i assume i actually don't know that she worked on this packaging but i'm pretty sure she did because it looks really good

Starting point is 01:40:11 so she either did it or um it was someone working with her under her uh supervision because it looks freaking awesome um comes apart like this isn't that an automatic win don't all the designers do that do what work under her supervision um i think so yeah well i don't know if lloyd technically does like he's he's technically more senior than sarah but they collaborate they work with each other i mean we're collaborative they're going to ship the other way so with the graphics inside but it still unrolls really well which was something that was really important to us because it's a major pain point uh with other anti-static work surfaces oh the packaging was gary wow he did a great job and it looks really sharp sarah almost certainly gave input because gary definitely um works under under sarah by the way looks fantastic shout out

Starting point is 01:41:03 shout out gary keeping our team in it at softball night the other night oh yeah yeah i uh gary gary's gonna be my first pick next time i'm uh next time i'm team captain i'm i'm i'm pretty i'm pretty impressed he's uh he's a player goes hard like i love it i respect it respect it elijah's offended elijah's offended yeah why not you i don't know elijah maybe because you got two outs on your own team last time so we play we play kind of a different format um how do you do that i will explain i'll explain uh we play we play an unusual format where you pitch to your own team. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:41:51 But we don't do strikes and balls or anything like that. It's a super friendly, casual format where everyone on each side gets to bat. You have a designated pitcher who basically just tosses it to you, but everybody gets only two pitches. That's it. It doesn't matter how good they were how bad they were so it's in the interest of the pitcher to pitch the easiest possible lob and it's in the interest of the batter to swing at every ball because you get only two pitches no that's it so what's cool about the format is in a in it gives everybody an opportunity to bat every single

Starting point is 01:42:24 inning it keeps things moving pretty quickly and you get a ton of offense so people aren't just like standing out waiting bored in the in the field right um so anyway one of the sort of idiosyncrasies of this format which chewy was the one who introduced me to is that you have two pitchers on the mound because is that you have two pitchers on the mound because one person on the team of who's batting is throwing the ball but somebody still has to play the field position of pitcher in case somebody bunts or or kind of flubs it and it's too far from the catcher yeah so one of the rules then is that if the pitcher who's not playing defense, right? If the pitcher interferes with the ball, the batter's out. Twice.

Starting point is 01:43:16 Twice. Elijah interfered with the ball and got his batter out over the course of a four inning game. However, however, in fairness to Elijah, Sarah, who was pitching for our team and throwing some scorchers. It turns out she has some softball experience. Sarah, who was pitching for our team, not only got one of our batters out, she caught the ball. Like didn't just like get hit by it or whatever. Like Elijah got hit in the ankle by one of them or something like that sarah like was like and caught it and we're like sarah that's pretty good the reflexes were too strong i went and played once and i actually really liked

Starting point is 01:43:59 playing the neutral pitcher it was fun because like if you play it in a true way you are playing for the team that is batting and then the second that the bat connects with the ball you're playing for the team in the field yeah that's wild so it was like kind of fun like really wanting them to hit it then the second they hit it you're like i gotta get it gotta get them out well it's more fun to get them out if they hit it yeah exactly uh oh no oh no oh shoot i didn't realize chewy was watching he's all upset that he's not first pick chewy you're good too but your batting's been kind of inconsistent lately whoa i mine has two next community review mine has two toxic i'ma own that no i'ma i'ma own that oh dude dude dude no i'm like i i i'm a pretty toxic competitor as you know yeah um

Starting point is 01:44:46 i literally almost killed charade from the sales team yep um oh you were there for that's right you were there for that so in fairness to me it was a good throw it was a great throw does the quality of the throw scale based on the person you're throwing it at? Like, if you threw that at a four-year-old, would it be a good throw? Are you calling Sherrod a four-year-old? No. That's fair. This isn't Mario Kart, Luke.

Starting point is 01:45:19 Oh, that's a... Not everyone's going to get that reference, but that was pretty good. The play was to home, okay? In fairness to me, it was a laser beam of a throw right at his chest. Yeah. He's not a super experienced baseball player, so his instinct was to catch it with his throwing hand, which did not have a glove on it.

Starting point is 01:45:40 I think he did actually catch it, though, right? No, I think he dropped it. He got it a lot, but I think he actually didn catch it though right no I think he dropped it he like like got it a lot but I think he actually didn't make the play ultimately but it's a miracle that I didn't break his hand yes yeah anyway I

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Starting point is 01:47:24 I'm going to have to do an aside here for a second. Hold on. Sorry, Dan. Sorry, Dan. We're going back to the wide cam. For my wedding, my gift from my mother was a, I don't know, it's a fig tree, I think it is. I think it's a fig tree. Anyway, the point is, it wasn't really one fig tree. It was kind of two fig trees. fig tree anyway the point is it wasn't really one fig tree it was kind of two fig trees and what she had done is as they were young she had twisted them together so that they grow together like this um when she and of course it was you know like the two lives intertwined yeah kind of thing right okay um yes that was my wedding gift for my parents a plant but that's a whole separate

Starting point is 01:48:05 conversation the point is that when we received it it was about this tall and was kind of like twisted up and she was like oh yeah and as it's around or the desk from from a pot pot that's like that's on the yeah it's the it's the one that's by the kitchen table you know the one right talking for them oh got it got it but you know the one right okay so it was it was about it was about this tall maybe this tall and um now here we are um yvonne and i are i believe 13 lucky 13 years into our marriage and it's about this tall every time i remember her telling us oh yeah as it continues to grow you should continue to twist it and every time she comes over i think she points out that it uh for it to keep growing uh we would have to water it oh and put it in a bigger pot yeah and every time i go yep oh yeah you know you could use your fancy home automation thing to water that automatically sure could yeah just saying

Starting point is 01:49:02 i like it the size it is i like it the brownish greenish color that it is i am not good at taking care of plants uh dang y'all been married a long time tell me about it poor yvonne my grandpa gave me this aloe vera plant um like forever ago i can't i can't even remember when he got it for me, but it's ancient. Like it sat on the windowsill above where my computer desk was when I lived in the split one half of the basement suite in the old office. Nice. So like I had this with me in 2013. And it's an aloe vera plant, so they, you know, you don't need to water them that often. That contributed to the already what you would

Starting point is 01:49:46 probably expect is not amazing care that i would give a house plant yep um by being like i probably don't need to water it's an alabaster plant it's fine um so i would just like ignore it for huge periods of time and then somebody it genuinely wasn't me put like a box or something in front of it uh-huh so it was now gone to me forever so i left it for a long time still lived somehow don't know how um it it has since gone through like a bunch of things that you would think it would not survive through and it just has survived through everything it even like i don't know what it's called but it created another one of itself but the original one didn't die off so there's like two of them now and they're still both alive perfect it's crazy it's very like kind of thin you heard it here first guys uh if you're

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Starting point is 01:52:45 use for that submerged pc you were thinking of doing a few months back shoot i forget the one that we researched whether it was compatible with birds or not oh i don't remember any of it i'm so sorry i don't remember um there's a bunch that are very good yeah there's actually a ton of options the only thing wrong with all of them is that they are super super expensive i'm gonna do a quick search in the email that i'm definitely not logged into and then uh if i don't find it then um then we don't have it it then um then we don't have it novak line yeah no i don't know i i don't know nokia might know yeah that's novak sounds right yeah novak sounds right because i think it's the like the old school one i don't think it's the one we talked about most recently i'm just not sure elijah might

Starting point is 01:53:42 know he has like an encyclopedic knowledge of every video we've ever done it's funny people used to go to me when they like he doesn't weren't sure oh he doesn't know all right never mind forget it okay we can move on sure getting ready for lime day linus my wife wants to know what skincare mask you got done for yourself she thinks the results look pretty good keep up the good work hey hey hey hey hey whoa irene said really good not pretty good dan editorializing what's going on with that they uh they move around a little bit uh-huh sure have you not did you not see that on your screens uh the one that i did was morpheus 8 um but i not everyone that i've talked to who has tried it has been super pleased with it

Starting point is 01:54:33 so your mileage may vary but yeah i'm i'm pretty i'm pretty happy with the results and how about one more hey good merch hashtag long shirts win for luke aside from nasa and the like if you could do a video series on anything what would it be also hi vod me i have an answer like for luke and it'll be better than the answer luke comes up with don't mean i'm stoked i can type my note and you go first or do you want to do it the other way around you're gonna type yours i'll type my note hold on hold on i really wonder what his is the frustrating part is it is probably better than mine do i just start going while you're still typing sure uh i i think i would enjoy doing like a micro style jobs series but it wouldn't necessarily have to be like dirty jobs

Starting point is 01:55:39 in particular i wouldn't be against doing that but it wouldn't have to be that but i've always like when I go on vacation these days, my favorite thing has been to do stuff. I don't want to explore cities. I like doing stuff. And there has been scenarios where I've had an opportunity to effectively, like, do someone's job with them for a couple days, and that's actually been really cool.

Starting point is 01:56:00 So that would be fun. Okay, I got a better series. All right, what is it? Luke gets a detached home and does, a house tech improvement series but it's like kind of janky budget stuff like wait didn't they say what murphy style fold out gaming setups for lands and stuff like that oh that'd be pretty sick they're both good we both had good answers someone said micros anti-worker i don't know anything about the dude this is not a like man you can't do the like someone mentioned the thing and they are endorsing the thing thing on the internet i hate that because like i haven't deeply researched every single thing i'm ever

Starting point is 01:56:34 going to talk about i just mean the show i've watched it like twice i don't know anyways oh um i didn't didn't they say it was supposed to not be tech or whatever oh i thought it was what did they say anything it could be about anything i win oh i just assumed it wasn't like what we literally do as a job oh all right anyway i think i think i think it would be a cool concept to do tech improvements to luke's new house where luke actually has to like pay for what it is but what we contribute is like the labor oh that would actually be pretty so that so that everything that we do has to be practical and useful but it'll be done on a luke budget that would be so i get to like basically troll you guys that would be sick that would

Starting point is 01:57:27 actually be pretty fun probably very excited i don't know let's do one more here okay um what might be the most atrocious tech that you see being used consistently on a day-to-day that should not legitimately exist oh man i feel like the troll response is like consoles but i like should not exist i can't think of too many things that shouldn't exist i mean i'm a i'm a firm believer that well okay not entirely but for the most part i i believe that there's no such thing as a bad product just a bad price right like that at the right price anything can make sense um i mean i i hate seeing you know any device that ships with you know an out of date insecure operating system on it so you know a lot of the a lot of like really cheap Android devices that are running ancient versions of Android. I, I, that very much is used on a daily basis by many people.

Starting point is 01:58:31 And I mean, like non upgradable to a safe version. Yeah, exactly. So things like we, we did a whole video on those sketchy, um, like Android TV boxes and stuff like that, that are running ancient versions of Android that probably have backdoors and all kinds of phone home behaviors in them. And people buy them because they want to watch pirated streams and stuff like that. But what are they giving up? We don't, we don't even really know. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say computers. Thanks Dan. They're evil.

Starting point is 01:59:05 Really helpful. You should probably find a different line of work if you don't want to deal with computers. They're evil. I've spent my whole life trying to contain them. Hey, speaking of spending your whole life, I've got an exciting project for us. One of the things that died during the flood of my server rack.

Starting point is 01:59:24 Wait, did I already talk about this last week? Did I talk about the ebay ups i don't think so no okay you talked about the story of the the thing dying so i shot the video this week with my my son actually was a helper uh tearing down and checking the various systems for corrosion and i'm not going to spoil too much of the video other than to say that it's going to blow your mind and it raises more questions than it answers so make sure you watch it um but one of the things that died is the ups at the bottom of the rack it's a 9xp5 something i don't know it's some eaten 5000 watt um ups and i went on ebay to find out how much those are worth um because i hadn't looked at it in a while and i forgot yeah cool five grand that is unless you can find a shipping damaged one that got the absolute kicked out of it from some like

Starting point is 02:00:27 you're gonna swap the chassis or discount discount server equipment place and you make them a low ball offer of three hundred dollars and then you use your good chassis yeah and you put non-water damaged boards in it so dan do you want to build a ups with me heck yeah let's do it all right that sounds a lot of fun yeah dan has so much work today i'm gonna save forty three hundred dollars or forty seven hundred dollars this does this does sound uh worthy of dan stein stay the path says sounds dangerous af why do you think i want dan to help me that man yeah he's gonna make sure the caps don't discharge themselves into my eyeballs i'll wear a red shirt it'll be fine oh no um don't do that luke we could use this as a um like a exercise in figuring out the entire process

Starting point is 02:01:26 oh yeah dan could participate look at this guy i don't even have to do task all right he just does it himself double work double work more efficiency oh yes boss could i have more work please please sir no you have to finish your first war before you can have more work. Give me your boots to lick. Oh, no. Oh, no. You already missed the part where I sent a random email to James in the middle of the night pitching the video. So you'll have to put that on your flowchart. Anywho.

Starting point is 02:01:59 Oh, God. Yeah. Okay. Will that come up in the writers meeting on Mondayay no is that when it would come up writers meetings around friday and the reason i was late for one show today what's the one on monday one on monday i don't know what happens on monday i work from home on mondays isn't there one on monday i don't know am i wrong dan are you move it from monday to friday i don't know maybe i'm just bugging you i'm no i'm i probably just don't know, maybe. I'm just bugging you. No, I probably just don't know.

Starting point is 02:02:25 I think at some point, writer's meeting was on Mondays, I think. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Elijah would actually probably know better than me. That meeting at the start of the chart, do you know when that is?

Starting point is 02:02:35 Nope. Okay. I just know that it's the first part. Okay, yeah. If it happens on Friday, then it happens on Friday. Basically, what I'm saying is, would it wait to come up in that meeting?

Starting point is 02:02:50 You've already made a Trello card for maybe not necessarily if i'm just like this is green lit because we're doing this procurement is buying this now there's there should be a path for that actually because we we actually do want that to be able to be a thing because that will increase agility this is good you want to be it's on the floor over there oh yeah i'm not saying necessarily do it now crystal gonna forget double work i'm gonna forget crystal d says writers meetings have typically been mondays who the devil are you i don't who is it crystal d fiere 88 if you work here you need to reach out and get your account um badged so that people can yes know that um anyway on the subject of shooting with my son for that video which was a lot of fun um viewers and actually people internally have noticed and

Starting point is 02:03:41 and commented to me about uh you know what's with linus's kids being in the videos more recently um uh they were all in the gaming minivan video and then my son was in the flooded server video um and someone on someone on staff asked me point blank like are you are you priming them to take over the family business? Is little man becoming big man? Yeah. I don't know. It was an interesting question, one that I have thought about in the past, but honestly haven't really thought about in a while

Starting point is 02:04:13 since they hadn't seemed that interested for a pretty long period. And the answer is no. I'm not a believer in the merit of nepotism. I don't think that it is a particularly valuable thing what if one of them applied well then i would expect us to give them a fair shot like we would any other applicant um isn't that against the handbook is what against the handbook hiring family members oh that's interesting i think it's a team thing yeah it might be department related yeah i know there's a lot of like yeah a different department who cares what what would your would you be on the should be an accountant that'd be fun i have no idea what team are you on are you

Starting point is 02:04:59 on all of the teams i don't know i don't know i think i just sit on an island i think company structure wise you're on an island yeah so i don't think i'm on any team yeah okay well so then i guess i don't count yeah i think i don't know technically i think technically like company structure tree wise that is legitimate um you couldn't hire him to be a c-level that would be on your tree because that's your like department uh no i don't think it is i don't think any of the c-levels report to me they all report yeah but you're in the other if you were on the writing team other writers might not report into you but you're on that team i don't know what he's saying is you're on like the staff team i don't that might actually be legit no i think

Starting point is 02:05:45 he's above everybody right because every department reports but this this gets into the weird part of like is he two people yeah am i two people yeah because he's the owner and he's one of the employees i report to taryn but taryn reports to ownership yeah anyway i don't know the point is i don't know that um they have expressed a little bit more interest lately and it was super fun working on you know explaining um you know potential theories for how galvanic corrosion might occur in a closed loop where there's no obvious mixed metals um it was cool kind of walking through the troubleshooting steps and one of the things that people a lot of people noticed on the minivan video was that kids especially inquisitive ones

Starting point is 02:06:34 open up opportunities for conversations that aren't always there if you don't have someone inexperienced who's who's who's there to ask the question. And it's funny because this is something that I've known for a long time. I remember talking to Seth Curry back when we did that build where I walked him through how to build a PC. And what I told him, I don't remember if it was in the video or if it was after the video, but what I told him was, I thought it was so cool that he was willing to be, as someone with the kind of profile that he

Starting point is 02:07:06 has, right? Where anything he says or does can be misconstrued. I told him I thought it was so cool that as someone with the profile that he has, he was willing to put himself out there, do something he has no experience with, ask stupid questions that other people are afraid to ask for fear of looking or sounding dumb and then absorb and learn and and push himself to do it like um i remember it taking a lot longer or it looked like it was going to take a lot longer than we had budgeted because he insisted on doing uh the aio mounting himself even though the whole thing was like like he was very protected on his side by i think asus sponsored it back then and they were like ready to leap in and do it for him if to make sure the product didn't look too

Starting point is 02:07:50 bad or whatever right um but he like insisted on doing it himself and i just i thought that was really cool because um a lot of people look up like it or not a lot of people look up to athletes as role models and i thought that he was modeling a really cool uh a cool really cool approach totally um but one of the things that was great for me co-hosting that video was that him asking questions gave me a reason to answer them it gave me an excuse to talk about things that i wouldn't have if I was just standing there by myself building a computer. And the kids do a really good job of that because they're naturally inquisitive. They want to know what things are. They want to know how they work. And they give me a reason to talk about stuff that otherwise a really long time viewer might kind of sit and go, okay, why is he explaining what an LTE puck is,

Starting point is 02:08:46 right? Well, I'm explaining because not everybody knows. And it's a way to, without irritating those people who already know what it is, address the questions that realistically a lot of like kind of fly-by viewers who aren't immersed in this stuff are going to be thinking but not even realizing or not not not being willing to or being afraid to ask or um you know not wanting to deal with going and looking it up and ultimately finding the content less accessible so uh it's it's a really natural way to de-jargonify things. With that said, there are challenges. Shooting with the girls on the minivan video, they're still a little young to be legitimately useful

Starting point is 02:09:32 and helpful in anything. And my son, to a degree, is not as autonomous as an adult would be. Obviously, I mostly work with grown-ups, and you get kind of accustomed to, okay, go figure that out, and they do because they're grown-ups um but it it's been kind of neat and figure it out sorry no no go ahead have you figured out the like compensation stuff yeah oh yeah we we we pay the minimum wage you're perfectly honest with you um but we pay them for the hours

Starting point is 02:10:02 that they work and they're kids like realistically they're going to spend it on stupid baubles anyway so it doesn't really matter like honestly my oh my daughter's we went to a glass blowing studio for an activity when we were down in great wolf lodge and my daughters each spent like 45 us dollars on little glass mushrooms and i basically i we we believe in making mistakes on your own and so i pretty much sat them down i gave them a talk each individually um and i basically well individually because one of them did it in the first place and then we left and got lunch and the other one wanted to go back and get one of the exact same thing probably just because her sister did it so little kid things right and adults um so i

Starting point is 02:10:46 basically sat each one of them down and i gave them kind of a talk that went it's your money you have been given it in birthdays and red pocket and uh by working on videos very occasionally for doing chores it's a lot of money i explained about the exchange rate and how our dollars are not worth as much as american dollars i um talked through sort of how long it takes to earn this much money versus how quickly we can spend it and you know what the fulfillment we might get out of spending this money on this particular thing might be versus some other things that we could spend our money on and if that's um and if that's a sacrifice that we want to make because conceptually money doesn't mean anything to a little kid in you know single

Starting point is 02:11:35 digits age bracket right um however i believe in it being your money not my money so if that's what you want to spend it on then i i will facilitate that for you because they don't carry around bank cards so i have to do the transaction and then just transfer it um so if that's really what you want i'm not going to tell you no but what i will hope is that you will reflect on this purchase at some point once you see how much you do or don't make use of this glass mushroom um and you will that will impact your decision making in the future one way or another was essentially the kind of the conversation that i had with the girls

Starting point is 02:12:17 one of them hasn't even made it off of the kitchen island since we unpacked from getting home um and i forget where i was going with this right right right so they're probably just going to waste it my son's actually a saver he doesn't he's like super not materialistic i don't he doesn't really spend money on anything so i don't know what his motivation is yeah his motivation is being based okay all right so he is luke says lieutenant beefy no no my other son elijah he should buy fortnight skins slash s he actually was gifted um v bucks that's what they're called right v bucks he was he was gifted a v bucks card um for uh for a for a birthday or something at some point in the

Starting point is 02:13:07 last year or so and i kind of talked to him about it went okay so we know we don't buy vbucks but if someone gives them to us like yeah i guess you can spend them if you want but did you ask for v bucks for your birthday he goes no i didn't i go okay um and he goes also i tried to see if i could get a gift receipt but i couldn't because gift cards i'm sure i'm sure someone somewhere has figured out a technique for trying to read what's on it and try to return it or whatever maybe it's impossible i don't know but um he did fully understand that vbucks are stupid but he did spend like 50 worth of vbucks because he couldn't yeah i know he couldn't return it and he didn't ask for it i'm like okay sure why not yikes at that point like yeah sure

Starting point is 02:13:51 oh ow on the back is dead okay what are we supposed to be talking about luke you want to pick a topic uh sure what is this show even been about so far? Pass. I'm not sure. I don't know. All right. Xbox Game Pass. Oh, lordy. This is a mess. Microsoft has announced both a price increase and a new tier structure for Xbox Game Pass

Starting point is 02:14:14 alongside a $3 increase to Game Pass Ultimate from $17 to $20. Microsoft has also removed day one access from game passes based here now called standard really so right after announcing that all of those games they just had a huge event let's not forget this they just had a huge event very recently within the last few weeks i think where they announced every single game that was announced in that event was like day one Game Pass. And then they take it away? Got them. That's a huge yikes.

Starting point is 02:14:55 Hold on. And that's not even... Okay. So they removed day one Game Pass from Game Pass's base tier called Standard. But Standard isn't even the lowest tier anymore just keep going it's a mess dude just keep going that's rough uh game pass core's annual price will increase from 60 to 75 um that also doesn't have day one access um though its cost

Starting point is 02:15:23 remains the same for users who pay month to month don't forget that game pass core is not game pass standard and doesn't include the game pass catalog of games wait what does it do that game pass core is a limited catalog of 25 plus games member deals and discounts and online multiplayer online multiplayer okay got it member deals and discounts and online multiplayer online multiplayer okay got it sheesh gamers will no longer be able to use reward points to fund subscriptions i didn't know that was a thing i don't know how you get reward points moving on uh in other reporting xbox console sales are down 31 year to year according to the verge xbox cloud gaming is only a few months away from allowing gamers to stream their entire xbox libraries uh you missed a game passed here there's pc game pass

Starting point is 02:16:13 for 11.99 a month which does not have online console multiplayer included because it's just included because of course it is just like game multiplayer. Like, and why do you need a subscription for that? Um, it does not have a limited catalog of 25 plus games on console, but it does have the PC library of the game pass catalog of, of hundreds of games and day one game additions. Also my, uh,

Starting point is 02:16:42 I, Oh, I thought there was a fifth one. Is it, isn't there also a fifth one? You guys, I had come across an article that was like, yeah, no thought there was a fifth one. Isn't there also a fifth one, you guys? I had come across an article that was like, yeah, no, there's like one more tier that has games on the console,

Starting point is 02:16:55 but doesn't include multiplayer. So you would have to buy the console multiplayer Game Pass Core separately. Can you get a refund? Because what if you watched that keynote watch them announce every single game is on game pass day one and then the tier that you're on just got dame one gay pass removed from it that's this is great though gero ninja says i would be devastated if i cared based seriously though game pass has been a good value in the past the price

Starting point is 02:17:27 going up a bit does not change that it's still a pretty darn good value uh game pass core is looking like a terrible value and i guess that's part of the point of all this yeah that's essentially they're trying to push everyone to game pass standard which includes online multiplayer which to me is kind of a basic of owning a game console i guess so basically how they afford to sell you a cheap computer i don't think so i think they're trying to push people to ultimate because standard won't have day one games oh yeah i guess that's true so they're trying to push they're trying to make game pass core basically trash they're trying to make game pass standard frustrating frustrating because everyone that you

Starting point is 02:18:06 know with your friends is playing a different game because they have day one access and then game pass ultimate is for 20 a month good lord 240 a year is there a yearly plan play on xbox it doesn't actually say it says the yearly plan for core and then it doesn't say yearly plan for any of the other ones oh no apparently they're closing the 360 store too man this is wild this is wild you know what unsubscribe to game pass subscribe to flow plane pc game pass still gets day one games for 12 dollars oh did i not know yes pc game pass does but you can only use pc game pass on a pc so if you are a chump and give microsoft your for their gaming machine, then they treat you like a chump who gave them money instead of treating you like a valued customer that should get a good value.

Starting point is 02:18:50 That seems stupid. Yeah, it does. But hey, on Flowplane, you can get Adam continuing the rant against tech marketing, so you get all the stuff that was not tight enough to make it into the video. You get a closer look at what we learned for A-B testing thumbnails. You get Dan Explains' new live feed camera. Every camera we use on set explained.

Starting point is 02:19:12 You can check out our cars and how we test materials at Creator Warehouse, which probably, I haven't actually watched this one yet, but probably has some nuggets that didn't make sense until you knew about the upcoming mod maps. Oh, interesting. Anywho, what else we got?

Starting point is 02:19:29 What else we got for the people today? Um, let's see here. Ryzen 9000. Yeah. AMD's Ryzen 9000 series processors arrived at retailers today ahead of the official launch sometime this month. But in spite of promising leaks on their specs, enthusiasm has been relatively muted, considering that I didn't even know this happened.

Starting point is 02:19:53 Yeah. PC sales have been recovering from their post-pandemic slump, but that doesn't appear to have translated into renewed excitement for major component launches. Yeah. renewed excitement for major component launches yeah i mean considering the performance uplift and compared to what we've grown accustomed to getting over the last five to ten years i am kind of blown away by how little buzz i've seen for ryzen 9000 and i think a big part of it is that by not launching with x3d versions out of the gate. AMD is basically saying, yeah, gamers need not apply. And the enthusiast segment, and whether they game or not,

Starting point is 02:20:33 people who are really interested in gaming performance benchmarks are pretty much a circle. Yeah. And there's going to be professionals who need the IPC and 12 cores, but don't need gaming performance or the better power efficiency that we tend to see with the X3D processors. And they'll pick up Ryzen 9000 for their editing workstations, except not a SuperI and workstation because they aren't going Threadripper Pro.

Starting point is 02:21:00 So you got some users in there for whom ryzen 9000 is going to make sense but for an architectural move you know where we're moving to zen 5 and it seems like you know better um the hype level is just blowing me away here like the like the the lack of the lack of hype and it kind of makes me worried like if amd's cpus become not interesting what is there going to be left to be interested about from amd because their gpus sure aren't lighting the world on fire right now are they just going to move entirely to ai and data center and are we going to be left with nothing obviously that would be quite a few years off but like it's it almost feels like we're in this this negative feedback loop where they didn't really give us anything to be excited about for a

Starting point is 02:21:56 long time and i'm talking collectively the big three your intel amd and nvidia actually you know what i'm going to include microsoft in there because microsoft dude windows used to be it a new windows would move also used to be interesting but that's what i'm talking about so i'm going to say the big four didn't give us anything interesting so we got bored we got bored so you, sales of interesting things, like something that really stood out to me as interesting, even if it was kind of stupid, was that weird collab that Intel did with Cooler Master and EK, where they made a Peltier cooler for their high-end K-series chips

Starting point is 02:22:39 that didn't improve performance in anything but gaming, where slightly higher boost clocks on a couple of cores was going to eke out a few percent more performance all for like 350 watts of extra power consumption or something like that it was cool but it was sort of too little too late by that point so we're kind of bored and and cynical and don't care. So then why would they bother to, you know, produce new products at this breakneck speed, especially as the cost of developing them goes up and up and up with each

Starting point is 02:23:12 subsequent generation, which makes us bored, which makes them not bother, which makes us bored, which makes them not bother. Like, are we just going to be, is cloud gaming just the future,

Starting point is 02:23:21 whether we like it or not? I think that's like the biggest thing that i hate about the direction of tech right now but i do kind of feel like maybe yeah i hate it though this is why i keep pushing back against these uh all you can eat game services because i think that's all going in that direction as well it's just i distinctly remember us sorry I also want to say something that I forgot to say about the Microsoft subscription tier increase thing is this is another reason

Starting point is 02:23:51 we've seen this with streaming services we're seeing this with Game Pass it's so much better to just own your stuff because you don't know when the term is going to be changed suddenly Disney Plus or whatever it's even called has updated their pricing a bunch of times and it's way more expensive than it was when you signed up and now you are going to unsubscribe

Starting point is 02:24:10 and suddenly have access to none of it even though you paid for this thing over a while it's a easier thing to stomach on the month-to-month basis but overall you're gaining nothing. Yep, you'll own nothing and be happy. Yeah. Don't be happy. Not with that. Be happy in general. I distinctly remember us having this conversation, and I think it was about 6th Gen or something like that. We were at the Langley House doing WAN show,

Starting point is 02:24:41 and we were in that stuffy bedroom, and we were talking about the rumor at the time, maybe it was fifth gen, I'm not sure anymore. It was one of the two. And we were talking about the rumor at the time that Intel was going to move to soldered CPUs on the motherboards. So essentially you'd be locked in and the only thing you'd be able to change was RAM.

Starting point is 02:25:01 And I don't even remember what either of our stances was on it but i remember the audience reaction was absolutely horrified at the end of diy and at this idea that you would just buy cpu motherboard maybe even ram maybe even storage just on a single pre-packaged pre-bought board at that spec off of the shelf and then what i guess throw it in a chassis that looks the way you like and you'd have expansion cards still but that would be about it and fast forwarding to today when apple's upgradable mac is a shadow of its former self like it hardly even has any cards that are worth installing it in anymore now that you can't put GPUs in it and the GPU is integrated into the SoC.

Starting point is 02:25:48 Looking at Qualcomm having absolutely no plans whatsoever, as far as I can tell, to do anything but completely soldered packages for what are now mobile chips, now mobile chips, but if they continue to be successful, could conceivably make their way into a mini PC and then a small form factor PC and even a desktop. I mean, if the performance is there and you get GPU drivers for it, who's to say that you wouldn't just buy a Snapdragon or moving, you know, even farther into the future, a RISC-V board of some sort that's a soldered a soldered cpu or soc is it finally coming to pass are we are we is it just over the horizon now the end of swappable components on motherboards i think laptops are leading the charge there absolutely like hardcore absolutely and laptop components have slowly but surely made their way into desktop computers uh there was one that we were looking at in writers meeting recently and i'm not logged into trello so i think it's going to be pretty hard

Starting point is 02:26:56 for me to find this but it was like the smallest um water-cooled desktop and the truth is it it doesn't yeah here it is here it is uh the techno mega mini mini gaming g1 here's an article from video cards and it's hard to get a sense of exactly how small this thing is so to give you guys an idea this is not a 120 millimeter fan i believe that is either an 80 or a 92 millimeter fan this thing is flipping tiny uh let me see if i can double check the size of the fan so dim no it doesn't say uh so don't don't quote me on that maybe it's a 120 millimeter fan either way the thing is extremely small uh geforce rtx 4060 um the cpu is a core i9 3900 h oh a mobile chip rtx 4060 water cooled not that that's going to achieve anything in particular but the point is that in our efforts to differentiate and you know build something that stands out from all the other semi-black boxes

Starting point is 02:28:12 we're ending up with designs that are using more expensive less modular and sometimes less performant i mean especially because performance and price are sort of you know slide against each other right so um if i say more expensive that inherently means less performant at the same price but maybe the same performance at a higher price the point is that suboptimal right and people are buying these presumably uh yeah rest assured says minis forum has motherboards with laptop CPUs that are killing it. Yeah, I don't, I'm not sure if I quite understand, because if I didn't mind less performance, wouldn't I be better off getting like a last gen thing? But I guess some people.

Starting point is 02:28:53 Some people will not do that. Efficiency is really important as well. Oh, that too. And yeah, some people just straight up won't do that. Saluna says, considering how long my CPU lasts, anytime I need a new CPU, I need a new motherboard anyway, so IMO it wouldn't matter much if they started being soldered on but right but reverse that considering how easily a motherboard can break wouldn't it be better to be able to take your cpu to a replacement motherboard modularity is good it's good but it costs money um and i just i just don't think they're i don't foresee an outcome

Starting point is 02:29:31 where they continue to want to invest in it because i mean look at look at the okay just thinking back to uh like um uh level one techs uh wendell i love wendell um level one text did a video this week about intel's challenges with stability on their 13 900k and 14 900k and there was that um that game development studio that said that they're basically going all amd because all the intel c CPU systems that they've had are crashing. And I was thinking about that and thinking back to some instances in the past where there have been motherboards blowing up or CPUs failing because of mismatched capabilities with respect to the VRMs on the motherboard and the power draw of the CPU in the socket. And that's just one example. and the power draw of the CPU in the socket. And that's just one example.

Starting point is 02:30:28 There's also the development of sockets. Looking at how challenging that is, like Der Bauer has his super cool low-pressure ILM. Noctua has a solution involving, I think they're just still using washers to reduce the pressure on the CPU to keep it from going concave um just all of these things if i'm intel or amd am i not just tired of it at this point probably most people are buying a you know a core i5 whatever k gaming cpu or i7 or i9 like there's thinking back to my days

Starting point is 02:31:08 at ncix you could count on one hand the number of skews that move in any appreciable volume and for the specialty ones like your your low power you know s skews or um i mean amd doesn't really have too many like weird kitschy ones so So on the Intel side where they have a much deeper product stack, like your weird low power S ones, well, you would just expect a partner to go and develop a board around it and solder it to it and ship it. I don't know, man. I'm, um, I'm worried we might be coming close to the end and I'm going to have to find different tech to be excited about and have fun with and make videos about.

Starting point is 02:31:54 Well, it's servers. Yeah. Servers will be the last to go. I think servers are a big part of why we still have modularity. Yeah. And I don't know how long they'll last. I mean, look at the way that NVIDIA was allegedly pressuring partners to buy the entire cabinet from them top to bottom.

Starting point is 02:32:13 Well, if that was the case, nothing would have to be modular anyway. It could all be as integrated or not integrated as NVIDIA deems fit. And if you want it, you'll buy it. fit and if you want it you'll buy it and if you don't buy it you're going to be behind the competition in this ai arms race that we're in right so no i don't think it's a given anymore but i do think that it's a big part of why we still have it let's cover something else yeah let's find something fun you have any announcements left or are we good we're good yeah i think we're good on announcements that sucks burbs love burbs the ltd screwdriver burbs burb burp oh what is this oh okay here's your problem one second

Starting point is 02:33:07 he works on other people's computers so often he said here's your problem burp when solving his own problem yeah amazing ads uh okay pc build with my talking parrot this is a six minute video we're not going to play the whole thing because you guys are going to have to watch it on your own. But I haven't gotten to, I haven't gotten to try this yet or I haven't gotten to watch this yet. But what I'm told is that at some point in this video, the LTT screwdriver is involved

Starting point is 02:33:38 and a burb is involved with it. With it. These guys look like an absolute trip these birds okay well that's not an ltt screwdriver i'm not surprised he's trying to be involved is there is there a time stamp i'm supposed to look at here hold on a second apollo a pet african great parrot there's a link best known for his ability to recognize shapes colors and materials recently decided to help his humans assemble a new pc as a new pc building assistant he made sure to test all the tools and even performed a drop test on the ltt screwdriver he seemed to really love the sound

Starting point is 02:34:15 of the ratchet mechanism that makes sense uh here we go okay i have some time stamps here we go here we go here we go uh oh that is amazing okay uh what what else we got uh here's a link here apollo knows what screwdrivers are made of probably says like the materials really bites it and then says the material yeah that's so cool yeah wow that is super cool really cool birds are smart look in general and they look like good trainer people i was i was about to say in general if someone were to say i'm gonna get a parrot i would tell them to not be an idiot and leave it in the wild and don't you understand they live for like 30 plus years um you need to not do that. I think I was an African gray. You,

Starting point is 02:35:25 you, they often end up neglected and they don't get attention. 23 years. Apollo here. Apollo here seems to be getting a lot of attention and interaction, which is what they need. They're, they're flock animals,

Starting point is 02:35:37 right? So you're part of their flock. You can't just peace out for days at a time. Like they, they've got to, yeah, they got to, they time. They've got to have a community. That looked like a very happy group of people. That seemed like it, yeah. Group of people, group of birds.

Starting point is 02:35:55 Yeah. They're all having a good time. They seemed pretty into it, the birds. So, I mean, obviously you never know what things are like behind closed doors or whatever else. But it seemed pretty chill. Also, LTD Screwdriver made an appearance in a Corsair ad. Oh, nice.

Starting point is 02:36:11 Love to see it. Thanks, Reddit, for flagging that for us. Let's go. That was... Really? Jesus Bacon? All right, sure. Username, Jesus Bacon.

Starting point is 02:36:20 So, is that bacon given to you by Jesus, or is it bacon made of jesus what's he baking is it a cake do you eat it during communion i need like the body for breakfast all right we need to get off of this topic um do we just, how long have we been live? Do we just do After Dark? So Yvonne had an interesting pitch and we shouldn't do it today, but she noted that other people are noting and she was kind of confused by how dark we are on LMG clips sometimes. And she said she thought it was kind of stupid,

Starting point is 02:36:58 which is fair. Fair. So After Dark is in name only? Her pitch was that we would do different colors on the background for After Dark. We would have a more like nighttime vibe. Then why she gets the big bucks. We'd have like bright colors for regular WAN show.

Starting point is 02:37:15 Wasn't that a you story? A me, yeah. That's why you get paid the big bucks? Yeah, I had a colleague at NCIX who definitely was earning pretty basic pay and was pretty much tolerated rather than appreciated in the workplace and oh dan is playing you're doing it now oh that's kind of funny red and blue for when it's live and then purple for

Starting point is 02:37:39 sure i don't know yeah twilight sparkle wait what um the point is that uh this particular colleague um wouldn't let me go get my own thing even though it was right there and didn't matter um and it was this like meaningless menial task where this particular person had been kind of shoveled away from hq so they wouldn't interfere with anything and just on like inventory um of one of the retail stores and they like got so mad that their toupee was like moving around on their head and because i wanted to just like grab something off of a shelf and they were like no you can't do it i do it that's why the owner pays me the big bucks that's why steve pays me the big bucks what the f**k are you talking about so so i used to be able to tell the story better

Starting point is 02:38:32 with more details that were really funny um and so i told the story a handful of times to like other other managers once i was higher up in the company and i was like yeah yeah yeah he i remember this one time because we all this particular character was a character um and so whether it was catty and mean i'll let you guys judge it was catty it was probably cutting me it was catty and mean whether it was catty and mean we would swap stories sometimes about funny interactions that's not good that's not good that's not good have done not good that's not good have done that i shouldn't have done that i wouldn't encourage that um but it became an inside joke anytime we would do the most menial bullshit to say that's why steve pays me the big

Starting point is 02:39:19 bucks i just i remember like back in the day you say that all the time so i was like pretty sure it was yeah the story the story was a lot fresher back then in my mind uh and it's also become it's become kind of a tasteless thing for me to say since i do actually get paid well now whereas back when i was like getting paid like a rank and filer with everyone else around me it made a lot more sense for me to joke about not getting paid a lot and doing stupid bullshit tasks so it just doesn't really work anymore yeah elijah goes omg is that why you say it yes apparently i've said it more recently than i realized okay yeah i probably shouldn't i probably i probably just shouldn't i think it's tacky now probably yep you don't

Starting point is 02:40:05 get to fit in anymore probably tacky for you yeah okay i don't really like say it what did i even just say it in response i don't remember but i said that about avon oh yeah okay she also gets paid pretty well yeah um i want gift cards in exchange for ltd backpacks that makes sense you technically do apparently uh this was posted um on the subreddit scammer pretends to be linus willing to trade discounted ltd backpacks for gift cards even sent AI video of Linus as proof. Scammer spent two hours to finally get this receipt. Amazing. That's so sick.

Starting point is 02:40:51 Finish the payment then we can chat. Here's the screenshot. Where? Amount paid. $300 purchased gift card. Recipient. Linus. Not AI. Smiley face. What the hell is this? It's a screenshot of the purchase mr linus really funny i don't know what you're talking about linus can i get that shout out now this is not a gift card

Starting point is 02:41:14 you just playing with me man oh you are smart what game are you playing this is amazing that is very good and i have intentionally not watched this yet. So we all get to watch. Seriously. We all get to watch the Scammers deep fake together now. Dun, dun, dun. Oh, wow. It's both a little bit confusing. Or a little bit convincing.

Starting point is 02:41:43 But also clearly so off yeah his hair is too perfect no no that's my what that's my hair it's not messy enough no that's his like skin and his hair also don't move together properly look at this eyeball or look at this iris it's like over here it's like looking over this way the mouth movement is also very odd yeah it's actually kind of funny how much of recognizing a person is their mannerisms yeah i also think that their face is probably actually this big like they probably have a wider face whereas on me this is just hair and i have a narrower face so it ends up looking really weird like the hair moves like flesh they're like super frozen too like the rest of them doesn't move at all the shoulders don't even slightly adjust and why wouldn't they use like a low

Starting point is 02:42:39 resolution crappy version of me why would they make it look like i'm sitting in a portrait studio like why would i record that the portrait studio is weird i don't know what you're saying in the clip but the portrait food is uh i think it should have audio there should be a if you push the top random corner top random corner oh sure i can you want to listen to it uh yeah okay it is there uh give me one sec yeah oh okay yeah sure we can the audio. I think it's supposed to be this one. Play the terrible audio. Apparently it's terrible audio. Tell me about yourself.

Starting point is 02:43:10 Hi, Ligi Jury. He's very funny. You think I'm a fake, but I'm not hope this video proves I'm not. Got anything, Dan? Can they hear it? We can't do it. No. Well, that's okay.

Starting point is 02:43:20 I'm kind of over it. But I'm not hope this video proves I'm not. Yeah. After dark? Yeah, do we have any other major topics today? Is there anything else that we announced? Oh, lordy. What did we announce?

Starting point is 02:43:36 Oh, no, this is a good one. Stop killing games. Gains ground on official EU response. So the background here, if you're not familiar, is Stop Killing Games is a movement aimed at restricting game publishers' ability to render games unplayable after purchase. They have petitioned the EU, among others,

Starting point is 02:43:54 for new legislation regulating how and when publishers can delist and sunset games. In June, Stop Killing Games was officially registered by the European Commission as a citizen's initiative. Now, if organizers can collect a million statements of support from EU residents within the next year, the EU government will be legally obligated to make an official response. This is very cool. I think they'll get it too.

Starting point is 02:44:22 Two members of the EU parliament. Well, if we can do anything about it. Yeah. Darn right they're they'll get it too two members of the eu parliament well if we can do anything about it yeah darn right they're gonna get it they're only gonna get it if you guys listening to this do sign don't hear me say like i think they'll get it and not do something yeah i'm saying i think they'll get it because i'm thinking that you will support it two members of the eu parliament have submitted questions to the european commission for clarity on whether consumers should be protected from these kinds of publisher actions under existing EU law. The Commission's response basically boils down to, it's possible but currently

Starting point is 02:44:50 untested, that if games' EULAs are unfair, they might be unenforceable. Consumers should be compensated if a service or supply of a good is cut off before the end of its agreed contract. However, these kinds of decisions probably need to be made first by member states before EU regulators take action.

Starting point is 02:45:05 That's the quote here. The question of whether destroying games post-purchase is legal has reportedly been escalated to a high level in the French bureaucracy. So this is pretty exciting. I was worried this wouldn't gain any traction whatsoever, but it seems like there's a little bit, a little bit of snow, just a few flakes a few flakes of snow maybe moving maybe not rolling yet but moving is there um is there like a sign up form to sign this now or something i i can't find anything personally is there something we can direct people to uh i don't know tell you what uh we will find out um dan if you don't mind making a note for jessica we will find out. Dan, if you don't mind making a note for Jessica, we will find out for you guys for next week

Starting point is 02:45:48 and we will direct you to the right place because if we can get everyone who watches the WAN show who lives in the EU to sign up for this, maybe we could even do another special early morning WAN show, like a first thing Friday WAN show so we can catch more of them live. Yeah, that'd be cool.

Starting point is 02:46:02 That'd be cool. Yeah, I'm excited. This is great because realistically if they have to put in the work to hand over the the server tools to the community or you know do whatever it is keep it going then they might as well just hand it over everywhere in every region rather than just in the eu we see this over and over and over again, where one large jurisdiction basically goes, yeah, you can't do that, and they change their behavior worldwide.

Starting point is 02:46:30 I'm super excited. Zombie blogs rise from the dead to commit plagiarism. Didn't we talk about this? Oh, we talked about sort of this last week not quite the unofficial apple web blog which was closed by aol back in 2015 has a parent or we blog whatever it is has apparently been revived as a platform for ai generated articles under the byline of its former writers the articles are blatantly plagiarized, having barely been changed from the original source. Likewise, the writers' bios and profile pictures are AI-generated. Some of the stolen names have been changed to generic names after the original writers threatened legal action.

Starting point is 02:47:15 The domain's new owner, Web Orange Limited, doesn't appear to have also purchased the site's old content and instead claims to have had its staff meticulously rewrite that content based on archived versions available on archive.org web orange is apparently based out of hong kong and also owns a few other revived old sites such as i lounge which is also now posting low quality ai generated articles under the supposed byline of human beings ah okay i think that's it other than the ftc says most websites use dark patterns in a big surprise to everyone who's ever tried to unsubscribe from anything uh apparently that uh we don't have to get jessica to do the work it's not live yet oh okay okay it's coming but it's not there yet and apparently canada's doing this too maybe question mark well that would be

Starting point is 02:48:03 exciting yeah i don't i don't think we have notes on that necessarily. Oh, yeah. If you go to stopkillinggames.com slash countries, you can see the various flags. There's the Canadian flag. And you can sign the petition and do stuff like that. Very cool. Okay.

Starting point is 02:48:21 Hey, we can collapse things in the dock now. So we should do that with any topics that we've already done that's going to make it way easier to process this thing oh i see yeah i've collapsed a bunch of stuff poop psa we've all been hacked um this will be another quick one both at&t and ticketmaster were um several months ago hackers stole large amounts of data from both at&T and Ticketmaster were, several months ago, hackers stole large amounts of data from both AT&T and Ticketmaster. The AT&T breach is apparently extensive and affects nearly all of their customers, as

Starting point is 02:48:52 well as customers of other providers that use their network. Nice. The data doesn't include the content of calls and texts, but does include a large amount of call metadata. AT&T is reportedly working with the FBI to investigate the situation, and the Ticketmaster breach likely affects millions of its customers. In an email Ticketmaster sent out disclosing the breach, I got

Starting point is 02:49:11 one, it claims the information may have included your name, basic contact information, and payment card information, such as encrypted credit card or debit card numbers, and expiration dates. Both breaches are linked to cloud data company Snowflake, whose servers were compromised when

Starting point is 02:49:27 somebody was too woke, I guess. I made up the last bit. Things got heated. Yikes. Should we move to After Dark? Sure. Sure, what do we want? Purple now? Uh, sure. Purple.

Starting point is 02:49:46 I lost their name because this conversation was a long time ago, but someone did point out in a full-blown chat that purple might make it seem like Twitch. Yeah. Do we care? No. Alright. I do think they might be on to something, but... Sure, there. I think it's maybe okay. Nice. Question for you.

Starting point is 02:50:01 There we go. What's up? Why don't they just store people's names and email addresses encrypted? Why is anything stored plain text? Oh. Because they store the credit cards encrypted. Maybe this is just me asking a dumb question, but it just seems like it wouldn't be that hard for them to decrypt it when they access it, just like anything else uh it might be pretty annoying

Starting point is 02:50:28 is that my problem is it like yeah i don't know um how important is just the name i mean the name itself is not terribly important unless it's an Ashley Madison leak. But I would say the name in conjunction with any kind of contact information is going to, if nothing else, increase the incidence of robocalls and spam. Lookups get really annoying. There's a lot of things on the company side that it's really annoying for.

Starting point is 02:51:01 And honestly, this might piss off a lot of privacy people. In my opinion, it's all leaked already anyways. Oof. That definitely made some people mad. I will be the voice of reason. No, that's a bad attitude and we shouldn't be defeatist.

Starting point is 02:51:15 No, I don't mean for everything in general. We shouldn't be defeatist. But you're just saying just the name. No, no, I'm not saying just the name. I think it's a little unreasonable to say that we need to just encrypt literally everything all the time. No, but we could encrypt...

Starting point is 02:51:26 What I'm saying is... Did I miss here? I thought you just mentioned the name. I did, but I meant the name in conjunction with anything else is a problem. So, sure, you could have one thing that is not encrypted. But then, to your point, how do you search a database then? That's really tough. it gets pretty annoying um i think there's like there's a there's an appropriate middle ground on this type of stuff um but like what all leaked what did they say leaked oh man uh for ticket master it was like

Starting point is 02:51:59 names contact information and encrypted credit card numbers so like if my contact information was also encrypted i wouldn't care like why why do they need to index my contact information other than to like target me with ads or whatever which i honestly go yourself anyway like i just is there any reason not to just say look anything that anything that could leak has to be, enough of it has to be encrypted that you could not build an individual profile of a person. You couldn't tie any one thing to anyone else. I think a lot of it comes back down to it's expensive and annoying. So it's like a, to email you your ticket. Sure.

Starting point is 02:52:49 But like, couldn't you have elevated access machines? Possible. Just really annoying. Um, you decrypt everything else in this case. I could be wrong here. I don't know if that's true you have the key exposing in use all the time yeah i don't know um that's true but it and maybe it would just you know make that particular machine a more enticing target but like if you only have to harden a handful of targets versus if just like every csr and the entire company has access to something like it's it's just like this is information that's used to

Starting point is 02:53:41 verify people all the time for a huge variety of reasons and stuff. I think it's just really taxing on whatever service it is. And I'm not necessarily saying that makes it like a good thing, but I understand why that level of stuff is often not encrypted. Yeah. Or like, okay, here's an interesting one. and not encrypted yeah or like okay here's an interesting one top gear 1224 in the chat says uh what about encrypting part of things like so so if you need to be able to search by email uh you could you could encrypt um the domain that would at least obfuscate things a little bit like could you could you have part of a text field

Starting point is 02:54:25 be encrypted on your side people have the same ones um well you're still only going to get a handful of results like yeah you wouldn't be able to find an exact match or that's pretty annoying oh that is pretty annoying but they probably wouldn't have the same name it's really just pretty annoying yeah okay well i i'm just i'm just tired of this you know yeah like oh no i completely think things the way they are isn't good completely agree carass i think that's what i'm going to say it is makes each data transaction take longer and over millions of users can really slow everything down this is a huge deal um and that's why i said cost more and be very annoying. That's effectively what I meant.

Starting point is 02:55:08 Ticketmaster can afford it. They definitely can. You know what? F*** Ticketmaster. Yeah. I just like, and anytime you add, like if you add a single call to like a task that happens like a bajillion times,

Starting point is 02:55:21 like there was an inefficiency we found in Flowplane a while ago because it would check if you could watch. Something was configured incorrectly and honestly, I'm going to tell the story wrong because I don't remember because it's been a long time. But it was doing like way too many steps when it was checking if you could watch a video.

Starting point is 02:55:39 If I remember correctly, it was like- Like a DRM check of some sort? It was like, can you watch all of the videos? And then it would, I don't remember exactly what it did, but it was really excessive, whatever it did. And there was a way easier way to simplify it. And we did end up simplifying it, but we were trying to figure out like,

Starting point is 02:55:53 like why are we having scaling issues with this one thing? And we ended up figuring out that like, as users were joining, it wasn't like, oh, you increase it by a reasonable amount. It was like, oh, every single time someone tries to play a video at all, there's this massive amount of hits to the database all at the same time. It was very unreasonable. So you try to make those things more efficient.

Starting point is 02:56:18 And it can be very annoying to not do that. Cross says, I work with AWS and i'm always under pressure to reduce processing time and therefore cost yeah this is like this is a huge thing this is scary and top gear 1224 says plain text databases are cheap i once realized i could access the whole customer name email list and phone number for everyone who ever called at&t back like 10 20 years yep oh my goodness yeah super normal all right dan want to hit us with some merch messages let me just stop crying over here yeah i told you computers computers were a mistake yeah we shouldn't have tricked rocks into thinking it's all been downhill since. Let's see. Talking of stupid rocks, LLD.

Starting point is 02:57:07 I have an older gen phone, Samsung S10+, and I wanted to know on a scale of 1 to 10 how important are up-to-date security updates? Should I get a new phone based solely on security and the minor speed bump? Well, how about we do this? I'm going to show Luke the phone that i'm still using

Starting point is 02:57:25 that hasn't gotten a security update in i don't know two years and i'm gonna see how much he freaks out okay that look on his face that's how important it is for you to update why do you do this to me i don't know i'm just a jerk i guess get a new phone i i want to it's a lot of work what if i just smashed it right now then no one would be able to tell the difference i mean look at it this isn't dirt guys this is like shattered glass in the back um no i'd be pretty upset i think i have some pictures on here i haven't backed up okay so you didn't learn your lesson last time um but what backing things up i mean there's 43 pictures on it i think i'll be all right if I lose them.

Starting point is 02:58:06 Yeah. Yeah, I backed up. Smash it. Backed up very recently. That sounds like permission to me. No, no, no. Look how cute this video is of my daughter. I'm showing off a little wolf she made out of Lego.

Starting point is 02:58:18 You wouldn't smash that. Nope. And if you said anything about smashing that in reference to a video of my daughter then we'd have to be having a real conversation here i have too much respect for you nothing to do with me did you get it oh i get it yes i got it i got Luke. Thank you. And no playing doctor either. Where are my sunglasses?

Starting point is 02:58:50 Free mustache rides. No, you shaved yours off. You're shooting bullets. No, I'm shooting blanks. Terrible joke. This is true. This is true. Look, I was too virile, it happens it happens oh man we're really after dark now so i'm sorry i'm sorry everyone it was about four days of not

Starting point is 02:59:16 shaving over like uh a friday i think i know saturday sunday oh yeah right when i went to great wolf lodge so i had a couple days off So I had like a four day not being at work and not painting anything. And so I let it grow out. And as I was shaving everything to come into work, I left the mustache and Yvonne came out of the bathroom and I was like, huh, huh? And she just kept walking.

Starting point is 02:59:42 So I did it. I pitched it for you. I pitched it for you. I appreciate that. Yeah. I'm just just interested because we'll never see mine i can't not have a beard it's just not allowed you can't no yeah i have to have a beard oh i see i see i see i see yeah that's fair that makes sense yeah go for it dan hola lld question for senor linus have you looked into the growing market of sleep focused earbuds recently thanks for the screwdriver bundle gonna be my new aerospace maintenance toys sick um i have not

Starting point is 03:00:13 every sleep focused earbud or sleep mask or like thing that goes over here and has speakers built into it that i've ever seen was less comfortable and oftentimes as expensive or more expensive compared to just airpods and so i've just yet to discover a reason for them to exist yeah i've been having a lot of trouble with my airpods pros lately though i have airpods pros to pro twos and um i'm getting this weird issue when connected to my pc where the volume just keeps cranking and then i like turn it down three notches and then it cranks again but the volume slider doesn't change so i turn it down a bit more and i get to the point where i'm at like one and it's too loud so i'm at one or zero and it's like okay thank you very

Starting point is 03:01:05 much for that and then i'm having weird reception issues with them too which i never had before yeah i don't know man anyway i l d l looking forward to all three of your frosted tips question for probably luke what is your favorite app for counting macros or calories? Do you even count? Oh, and Linus, congrats on the boobies. Thank you. I think it's called Macro Factor.

Starting point is 03:01:35 You're going to have to explain what a macro is to me. I have no idea. I just swim or badminton or whatever. I just do stuff. Adam got me on macro factor as well. I don't know anything. Pretty good. Yes.

Starting point is 03:01:46 Thanks with my smartwatch too. Yeah. Um, so basically you can look for your like, um, protein, carb and fat goals for a day within a certain amount of calories. And then you log the food that you eat throughout the day and when,

Starting point is 03:02:07 and you give it input on what level of exercise you're doing. And it tries to balance your, your calories and calories out to match whatever your goal is, gaining weight, losing weight, maintaining, whatever. Can I just eat when I'm hungry? You might be able to. All right, cool. Right now I can't, I'll get there. Cool.

Starting point is 03:02:25 Have you heard that Steve-O from Jackass is getting fake boobs? I mean, I hardly think that that's even noteworthy these days. Steve-O. Also that. All right. Next merch message? Sure. Hi, DLL.

Starting point is 03:02:54 What does LMG Incorporated do for sustainability, and what do you all think it will take for the corporations of the world to do their part in preserving the planet? Hold on one sec uh i came up with the idea a few years ago to get a boob job and just film a bunch of legitimately funny hidden camera pranks with me in disguise and then revealing who i actually am so he's aware of body suits, right? Yeah. Like if you want to be in disguise as someone with breasts, you can just wear fake breasts above your skin. How do these people reach adulthood? Doesn't,

Starting point is 03:03:37 isn't that like Finster's whole thing? I don't know. You got to commit to the bits. Uh, okay. Yeah. Steve-O collab with Finster? I mean,

Starting point is 03:03:52 sure. Finster has real boobs now. Okay. I don't know. Who's Finster? It's a content creator. I mean, okay.

Starting point is 03:04:03 Is there, is there some context for this or like you know what it doesn't matter they wore a suit thing a suit you were talking the body suit or whatever yeah they wore one of those for lots of years apparently they have they have them actually now but oh they wore a suit thing for years okay sure what do you mean linus is out of touch square i'm not what i don't know i just i know i wasn't even call you that i i explicitly said in the beginning of it that it like wasn't even shocking anymore yeah doesn't matter anyway apparently finster uh has come out of as full trans now i didn't know but apparently that's a thing.

Starting point is 03:04:45 I guess it sounds like we had some hints leading up to that. Maybe, yeah. Okay. Makes sense. I don't know. It's just whatever. Point and laugh at the boomers. Okay, what's next?

Starting point is 03:05:02 Sustainability. What does LMG do for sustainability, and what do you think it'll take for the corporations of the world to do their part preserving the planet i'm super anti-plastic we use as little plastic as humanly possible in the production of our products i don't think you're ever going to stop people from like buying stuff so one of the things that we try to do whenever we develop our products is make things that last for a really long time uh reduce is the first one um we are going to we have and continue to advocate for upgradable electronics repairable

Starting point is 03:05:34 electronics there's things that we're bad at um it i kind of had a realization that at the scale that we've reached the number of computer systems and the amount of stuff that we leave on around here. Remember when I tried to change that not even that long ago, and you told me I couldn't because people need to remote into their computers. And I was like, that seems excessive. I don't remember the full context, but depending on what we were talking about, I could have conceivably said that. We need to find another solution.

Starting point is 03:06:03 We were closing up after a wan show and i was realizing how many people's computers were just on and i was like this seems crazy part of it is that i fought the battle a lot of times like i would literally go to someone's workstation that was just unlocked and on i'm pretty sure we could win and i would set it to screen off the it team is now powerful okay that's fair but i would set it to turn off and then like the next day i would see the same one on i'd be like what is going on here it would particularly happen with the ingest stations they would keep changing them back to never go to sleep and i'm like okay i get it if it goes to sleep during a transfer it might like cause an issue

Starting point is 03:06:40 or something so it's like four hours or something then no transfer is going to take four hours you can even do like eight coming in the morning use it once it stays on for the rest of the day and shuts down at least it's going to shut down eventually yeah yeah hit me down we should do we should and could do more and we'll we want to do more but i'm also not gonna pretend to set like an arbitrary we're gonna be carbon neutral by whatever like we're just gonna we're gonna do little things that we can we're gonna make things that last and we're gonna use less plastic yeah hi all from burnaby which entities own all the cable that connects the world to the

Starting point is 03:07:21 internet do they not stand in a position to make the best, worst, trained LLM? Also come to Langley Ribfest. Owning the cable doesn't mean that you actually have any meaningful way of harvesting the data that is being transmitted on it. A lot of it is encrypted, and if you're not at an endpoint, you essentially are not privy to what is passing through that cable necessarily so it's not really quite that simple hey linus as a serial snob what would be your top three underrated cereals um i wow i um

Starting point is 03:08:00 okay cereals that are underrated i i don't know what cereals are underrated. I don't participate in the cereal snob community. Bran flakes. I only... Bran buds. Are you a bran enthusiast, Dan? I'm just thinking of things that people might not like that you may actually like.

Starting point is 03:08:20 Yeah. Those are the two cereals that I... I'm not on r slash serial killers you know assuming that that was what they would call a cereal community so yeah that's a superb owl very possible it's yeah that's what i would call it um so i i only drink i drink i only eat like mainstream cereals from like you know kellogg's and post and stuff like i'm honestly not that much of a snob i just really appreciate okay i'm enough of a snob that i can tell the difference in like manufacturing tolerances from one batch to the next like when the boxes on the shelf have all been gone and

Starting point is 03:08:57 replaced by a new batch of mini wheats like i can tell that the frosting consistency is lower and the ratio is off wow so i'm enough of a snob that i'm like that where i will literally stop eating cranberry almond crunch because it's too crunchy now and they they screwed up the like uh the final glazing or like roasting component of it i don't know much about how it's made too crunchy i just know that corn pops when i was in grade eight were freaking awesome up here in canada they're different from the u.s the u.s ones are still good um but the canadian ones were perfectly round liked the u.s ones they're not round it's you get used to it though okay yeah

Starting point is 03:09:37 they're they're good once you like if you were expecting like early 2000s canadian corn pops yeah the american ones would be sorely disappointing yeah but if you compare the american ones to the atrocity that we have now oh no have you not eaten corn pops in the last 15 years oh they suck i had them when i was a kid yeah they suck they've gone through a number of phases so they were perfect and then they they did something. I think they changed the sugar outer coating, the crunchy coating, and they would get soft like immediately. And then they hard corrected the other way

Starting point is 03:10:14 to the point where it was like chewing on a mouthful of broken glass. Back when they used to like hurt the roof of your mouth? Yeah. That was like prime. There was a time where they hurt too much after the time when they hurt a little. And anyway, they basically, I haven't actually had them in a while. So it's possible they've dialed it back in and they're good now.

Starting point is 03:10:35 But man, did they ever suck? Oh man. Honey Nut Cheerios before post went all whole grain and everything. Dude. As a kid, I would. That was my main line line i would eat an entire box of honey nut cheerios dry like i didn't even need milk man they were so good i was definitely into the having it with milk thing but but those were my those were my main line my mom used to

Starting point is 03:10:57 buy those like super family packs nice so good nice, Cheerios. It's always been funny to me to see Marquez with his, back in the day when he was living in his dorm and he had his little Cheerios box. I was like, you don't even know what good Cheerios taste like, young man. Sad. Sad. I weep for the youngers. I know.

Starting point is 03:11:21 Not getting to enjoy the high quality cereal of our youth. for the youngers i know to enjoy the high quality cereal of our youth if if there was if there was a petition that i could start bring back good cereal it would be it would be bring back white flour cereal there's just like post just stop just it all it's all garbage and it's terrible for you anyway there's your consumable for ltTT store. A good cereal? Yeah. I don't even think. You're the cereal snob. This could make sense. This actually makes more sense than it has any right to.

Starting point is 03:11:56 I don't think we could make a cereal that would satisfy me. Whoa. Did you hear that, Creator Warehouse? Yeah. No, we couldn't do it. So I can tell you guys what I like. I'm a big mini-wheatsats guy sometimes the frosting is not enough sometimes it's too heavy um but you pour like a third of a bowl a little bit too much milk and like eat it fast and the the the milk's got to be like

Starting point is 03:12:22 like three three point two25% or whatever, no skim milk or anything like that, because that's gross. But you get that fatty milk in there, like ice cold. It's got to be as cold as possible. And then I'll pour like another third of a bowl and then like another third of a bowl.

Starting point is 03:12:37 I would never pour a full bowl of mini wheats. That's disgusting. By the time you get to the end of it, it's like... It's not good. Yeah, you might as well have just gotten the big shredded wheat thing and then dump some sugar in the milk like it's it's soggy it's a soggy mess um what i do like triple berry oatmeal crisp um i add extra cranberries like my own berries i i love dried like craisins um but what are you reacting to elijah said i use cream or water with cereal

Starting point is 03:13:08 uh what that is genuinely offensive i have eaten cheerios with water once when i was desperate it was horrible and elijah doesn't know anything so there's that those are like two sides of the absolute most ridiculous spectrum uh i still i still love me some honey nut cheerios honey nut cheerios are still good even though they're not nearly as good as they used to be point of the milk isn't to wet it honey nut checks honey nut checks are a drug and my guilty pleasure like the worst of all the horrible sugar cereals that i eat nesquik really it's i don't think i've ever had it so good i make a cereal i didn't yeah it's little like chocolate balls i assumed yeah it's kind of like it's kind of like if corn pops were smaller and chocolate and by the time there is so much chocolate flavor in them that by the time

Starting point is 03:14:06 you're done the bowl especially if you do what i do and eat all the cereals out of it and then repour you are basically drinking chocolate milk that's pretty that's pretty good it's like the worst thing i i do not indulge that very often especially at my rapidly advancing age i like golean crunch never heard of it yeah it's good um used to be a quaker harvest crunch guy actually there that'll be that'll be my underrated cereal and to your point dan about bran actually a raisin brand guy but same thing you gotta pour small bowls but but a bowl of raisin bran with the right, uh, okay.

Starting point is 03:14:47 With the right ratio of raisins, actually pretty good. Nice. I'm more into like muesli style. I've never tried Reese puffs because I'm afraid that I'd never stop eating them. You wouldn't ever stop eating them. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:15:01 So I've, I've actually never tried them on purpose. I refuse to buy them. Yeah. So I've actually never tried them on purpose. I refuse to buy them. Yeah. I mean, they're a dessert food. I like cereal for dessert sometimes. Yeah. Noki1119 in Floatplane Chat,

Starting point is 03:15:17 please mention WAN's anniversary. The 12th of July, 2013 was the first WAN Show episode. Today is the exact same day, 11 years later. Oh, wow. Happy birthday, WAN show. Neither of us had any idea. You've grown just a smidge. Yeah, apparently.

Starting point is 03:15:33 See? Here's, we got a... Oh, you have a tumor now. Oh, that took me a little bit. All right. Wait, is that implying Dan's our child? Or the... No, it's a malignant tumor in our age wow uh next first message i'm made of cellulose uh let's see let's see let's see um hey lld thanks for the screwdriver sale grabbed a few bit sets so it's less of a write-off.

Starting point is 03:16:06 Luke, what is your favorite technology you have gotten for Floatplane? Favorite tech I've gotten for Floatplane? What does that mean? I vote the work that they've done on the Transcode stack. I think that's the thing you think is coolest. So does that count as getting? Yeah, I think so. Getting through the work of people that work at Flowplane?

Starting point is 03:16:31 Oh, that's how I interpreted it. Okay, yeah. I think our transcode stack is pretty cool. It is pretty cool. I do like that. It is very cool. I'll go with that. Figuring out payments.

Starting point is 03:16:41 There's a lot of stuff, though. That was complicated. Still doing that. Some of the Kubernetes work that's been going on from jonathan has been really sick um jayden just whips out like he'll just jayden's whole thing recently seems to be like oh by the way i'm working on this thing kind of on the side every once in a while and i'm like oh that's neat and then the next day he's like it's done okay cool good old jayden thanks jayden um yeah i don't know there's there's tons if we're talking about like our own contributions it's it's very wide reaching

Starting point is 03:17:17 we've made a lot of different things um but yeah it's all very good question hold on i've got one that's not uh a merch message here in float plane chat from kren thoughts on the samsung ring announcement um it's a ring that's only compatible with a samsung phone yep that's annoying so go f**k yourself i guess it's 400 see you later okay uh question for lld i just quit my job mid-shift with no notice at a hospital after being there two months post-college how would you handle being overworked and under-trained where do i go from here what was it like uh i don't know it depends if you like the thing i think like i enjoyed what we were doing.

Starting point is 03:18:08 So, like, it's probably what I would have wanted to do anyways. Yeah. Well, okay. So, let's say you're working at a hospital cleaning up pee and poo, though. Yeah, that's rough. Yeah. I think, did they say they're just out of school? Was that right? Yeah. Yep.

Starting point is 03:18:19 That's tough because... Finding out after you finished a program that you don't want to do that job is a real bummer. Yeah, especially as far as I know, basically all medical education that would land you in a hospital is really expensive. So I don't know. That's tough. I'm not sure what I would necessarily do or go from there. Hold on. Porto says it was not confirmed to only work on Samsung. So hopefully that's not true,

Starting point is 03:18:47 in which case I'm moderately glad that some people who want that product can have it. Nice. It's out of water. It's okay. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it was that hospital maybe try to apply somewhere else but as far as my understanding goes working in a hospital is hectic and you're

Starting point is 03:19:12 overworked and there's crazy hours and that's just sort of how it how it goes yeah i i wish that wasn't the case that um for sure that seems pretty not cool yeah beggy says we want more aj on camera he knows his shiz that's a fun video well i've been trying to convince aj hey aj if you're watching this why don't you go on camera more yeah huh yeah you ever think of that huh all right you we even saw he had what he had one core problem that he kept insisting was actually a core problem and then i really questioned him on it and we ended up googling some things and figured out that maybe it's not as much of a core problem as we thought it was aj i didn't even think about that until right now we had a conversation about you moving here today and i didn't think about

Starting point is 03:20:03 that okay this is getting dangerously close to an hr conversation on camera that's fair luke is hr it's a different company that's maybe not good please don't sue technically those people use the same hr resources that lmg has it's that's true it's like actually that's why it's umbrella hr right yeah um okay i can but aj you should you should move here that'd be very cool yeah it'd be very cool then you can have hr meetings in person okay both of you need to stop why am i the voice of reason oh man i need a break sometimes um all right maybe t is up for another one okay uh you want to cover interesting things are there

Starting point is 03:20:54 things the audience might find interesting that you wouldn't cover because you don't find it yourself yes um but i think chasing that has also led us to um cover things that we're just not as interested or passionate about so it's finding a balance it's gonna hurt yeah we need to find a better balance yeah hi dll i saw the new backpack that Linus was wearing in the Taiwan PC giveaway video. Is there an ETA on that, and is it also affected by the same reasons that affected the Luxe backpack? There is no ETA, but no, it's not affected by the supplier relations challenges. It's affected by it not being very good. It needs a lot of work. Hi, Wan. Are you texting me? It not being very good. It needs a lot of work. I went.

Starting point is 03:21:48 Are you texting me? No. Oh. Hold on. One of my Taiwan friends just sent me a video. What is this? Oh, no. Okay.

Starting point is 03:21:58 They just got married. That's cool. Congrats. Yeah. Tell them a sizable portion of the internet says congrats. Because I'm assuming they will be doing this. I think that's generally how that works. Couples dinner next year?

Starting point is 03:22:14 Yep, there it goes. Do they know? This is one interesting thing about Linus's badminton friends in Taiwan, is they know this is one interesting thing about linus's badminton friends in taiwan is they know him from badminton like do they do they even realize this could be a thing that's happening right now um because you could send him a picture of chat he does saying congrats like a year and a bit ago um well we like had dinner and and talked about what you do and stuff yeah we like talked and stuff yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna send him i'll send him a picture of chat right now

Starting point is 03:22:52 cool here we go it's fun my live stream says congrats all right what else we got sure uh hi when wondering what's up with the headphones.com partnership with audio testing did the labs testing not work out did you find they were basically already doing what you were planning um we are still working on internal testing we are always appreciative of external partners like Headphones.com. Those guys are super cool. I actually met one of those folks. Buddy's name is Blaine.

Starting point is 03:23:32 He came up and shot a video with us at my house earlier this week. We were trying out this wild sound bar. It's called the Nakamichi Dragon. What a name. It's a $4,000 sound bar. That's a large sum but it comes with surround speakers so it's not just a sound bar two subwoofers so it is not a sound bar and it weighs as much as a child uh it's it's freaking crazy the complete package i think

Starting point is 03:24:01 weighs about 160 pounds that's a very large child yeah well that i meant the soundbar weighs as much as a child okay yeah so it's it's pretty it's pretty cool and anyway they they came up to um to work with us on it and uh help with some recording and stuff so expect to see expect to see our audio coverage continue to evolve i guess at one time i was a child that weighed 160 pounds but i was a fairly large child so that makes sense we're all still kids at heart i was thinking back and i was like yeah i was a child and i weighed that much maybe that's not as crazy back in my day i was a child mine is hilarious that was the emoji that he sent me back for that yeah the animation whatever they are i

Starting point is 03:24:42 don't know what to call them yeah the reaction yeah cool a couple more for you here best screwdrivers working on my jdm subaru sg5 forester with it right now nice luke what cards what cars did you drift in on your japan trip oh no you don't remember cringe nissan z was the one that i was drifting i'm trying to remember i know i know he just calls it the chaser um but that's the one that i was riding in that that sam it was driving um is that the actual name of the i think so wow this thing looks cool sorry the nissan z this thing looks cool yeah sorry i'm just shopping right now for cars well i don't know no no no no i'm just sure fine whatever i don't think it was like a new one to be clear no no by shopping i mean i'm like looking like like i. Like I'm not buying a car.

Starting point is 03:25:45 I'm just looking. Would you use the word shopping if you had no intention to buy? Yeah, window shopping. Window shopping. Yeah. All right. But yeah, it's actually called the Chaser, the Toyota Chaser. So I was right.

Starting point is 03:25:58 I just wasn't sure if that was what he called it. And then I remember that was actually the model name. I don't think we have Toyota Ch chasers here so i forgot um but yeah that was the one that i was a passenger in got it and then i actually drove the z cool and it was fantastic very cool hi guys do you see a problem with developers who perform well and do not want to advance positions? I'm happy as a developer team lead. About nine years from retirement, I'm annually pressured to set goals. Developer team lead is a developer who advanced their position, just to be clear.

Starting point is 03:26:42 But also, no, I don't think so. Not everyone wants to manage and that's fine i can understand why they pressure you to manage because finding developers who are willing to develop their management skills can be turns out that's tough turns out that a lot of introverts find their way to development and a lot of people that started doing something as difficult as software development probably got into it because they want to do software development

Starting point is 03:27:11 and not necessarily because they want to manage. So this all makes sense to me. That being said, there are some people that are on my team that I've kind of nudged to be like hey are you interested in that could be helpful um and they have generally expressed that they are not uh there's someone yeah eblx as a dev manager i want to go back to being a dev yeah i'm not surprised um so i don't know for most people i would suggest to consider it just because it's a pretty

Starting point is 03:27:47 desired position. Um, but if you're not into managing people and you just want to keep doing development, I, there's a ton of respect to that. You need really talented, experienced developers to be leading things very often. And I don't think that the end scale of everything should be management, personally. So that is what it is. DLL, what are your thoughts on the current 13th and 14th gen Intel KKS situation being far bigger than simple BIOS or microcode updates, meaning the problem is baked in? How does Intel solve this via recalls? I think that they are up the creek without a paddle. The fact that these chips are...

Starting point is 03:28:32 You recall the chip, and then what does that person do with the rest of their system? The fact that these top-spec chips are impacted while the lower-down versions are not, to me, is indicative that Intel has pushed things too far. What they can possibly do to get themselves out of this situation, honestly, I am not sure. Obviously, they need to replace every chip that dies. chip that dies um but i think that if you were to say something like every cpu that causes a system blue screen should be immediately rma'd you'd be laughed out of town because there's so many

Starting point is 03:29:15 factors that i think nailing this down to the cpu being the defect is going to be really difficult and confusing for a lot of end users so how do they solve this i mean some kind of recall mechanism seems like it's going to be necessary at some point here unless they can figure out a way to fix this remotely um this is uh yeah this is a big this is a big challenge beggy says they beggy says they could take the apple root and ignore the issue i don't know if they're going to be able to i i think they will you think so i do that's what i suspect they're going to do there's a lot of loud noise being made there's a lot of loud noise being made in an extremely small teacup that's fair and in the in the grand scheme of

Starting point is 03:30:08 things intel could just stop making k-chips altogether tomorrow and it wouldn't really it would be it would be a notable item on their quarterly investment call and they would say yeah we've made some divestment from the sort of enthusiast over clockable we're focusing on enterprise more stock go up we're yeah we're focusing on we're focusing on uh you know ai pcs through our tier one partners and oems like it's it's rough not the greatest time to be a PC person. That's what I think is going to happen. Oh, you think they're going to stop making K-chips? No.

Starting point is 03:30:50 No. I think that they would do that before recalling all of two generations of K-chips. Yeah. I think they'd just be like, screw it. Forget it. I don't think we'll see a recall. I also think a recall would honestly piss people off because um they built a computer around this thing it would also draw way more attention to it than probably it would ever have any chance

Starting point is 03:31:13 of getting through just us talking about it um uh other tech channels talking about it hopefully it's talking about hopefully wendell's recent dive um here's on level 1 text where is it Intel has a pretty big problem on level 1 text from Wendell two days ago if you guys want to check it out go watch it

Starting point is 03:31:38 also this is like a minor aside but Wendell's hosting in this video is also fantastic I just want to say that yeah I love Wendell's hosting in this video is also fantastic i just want to say that yeah i love wendell fantastic video and last one i've got for you tonight aloha lld i recently moved to hawaii as my partner got stationed in pearl harbor from the navy my tower is still mainland and i'm worried it won't survive the shipping you should should be. Any tips? Mahalo. Take the GPU out.

Starting point is 03:32:07 Yeah, that's a big one. We actually did a whole video on this. How to ship your computer. Oh! Apparently JaysTwoCents also did a video on it. But I'm going to link you to this one. Got him. And I think that's pretty much it.

Starting point is 03:32:34 We will see you guys again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Enjoy your screwdrivers. A bunch of you bought gift cards this week. Although that makes sense because Lime Day is coming up, so you're just buying gift cards. Yeah. I see you tactical strategic did you say your bit yeah oh bye happy anniversary everyone!

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