The WAN Show - Intel 10th Gen CPUs! - WAN Show Aug 23, 2019

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I've got Wendell here from Level One Techs, who's just laughing at all of the failures. And we've got some great news, including Intel's 10th generation desktop CPUs hitting the market someday I don't know whatever I don't know whatever we'll talk about why that's a whatever later on. A study shows that Americans are waiting three years to replace phones now which is considerably longer than before. Walmart is suing Tesla over defective solar panels lighting on fire and other crazy stuff. Stay tuned for more.

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to YouTube we're definitely going to float plane and we're definitely going to twitch YouTube sometimes takes a second to let me check that it's actually live. YouTube's going to buffer for about two minutes, and then it's going to kick on and start from the beginning. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay, well, I'm not going to worry about that this second. Our first topic, which we're going to try to get the title topic out of the way first

because I feel like that's good form. We've been doing that for a little while now. People seem to appreciate it. News of Intel's 10th Gen desktop CPUs. Sticking with 14 nanometer process, it's going to be codenamed Comet Lake S, which I think has been kind of leaked around a little bit already. It's going to be up to 10 physical cores, up from 8 on the current gen flagship i9-9900K, which I'm happy I'm never going to have to say again.

And it looks like you might need an upgrade to your motherboard because it's going to need more power, more and more TDP, increasing to around 125 watts on the top end. It's expected to be called LGA1200. What do you think? It's another new socket already so many sockets. We've had so many sockets like I mean come on It's just Yeah, I think like it's getting to the point where if you lined up on a wall all of your like Intel sockets from the Beginning just the amount that

you would have would actually be ridiculous if you tried to have like a collection of all them like there's a Chinese boards that you could get that would work with like they were like old z1 70 and it worked fine with like the 9700 K maybe I'm misremembering I yeah there's there's some there's some there's been some funky stuff like that a few separate times, actually. I enjoy those types of things. My favorite stuff is when they do that kind of stuff. I know it's not the exact same thing,

but when they do that kind of stuff with graphics cards, where they're like, oh, it's not supposed to work this way, or like, ah, here's two totally different graphics cards. We're going to sell them to you at totally different price points, and people are like, ah, I can just make the lower end one better don't worry about it i don't know the the latest leaks adding the latest like desktop 10 core like mainstream leaks on to like all of the other 10 core leaks plus the actual like 10 core launches every like they're calling everything 10th gen but like there's two different laptop parts and then we've got the high-end desktop stuff coming probably before

This stuff in 2020 and the high-end desktop stuff is gonna be on x2 99 So we'll probably keep that socket maybe at least that was the update a couple of days ago that's linked in the bottom of the the Tom's hardware article, but like These are all different like it's a big deal to port the memory controller the lpddr4x memory controller like it's a big deal to port that from the newer process to the older process cpus and intel is telling their investors like no no we're shipping 10 you know uh you know the 10th generation mobile cpus on the new process everything is fine and then stuff like this comes out and it's like well those aren't gonna be on the new process

Doesn't make any sense Come on Yeah, the Tom's article is actually pretty good I like that they laid everything out here as well going all the way back to Sky Lake that was pretty nice so you can see From Sky Lake, Cavey Lake, Coffee Lake, Coffee Lake, Refresh, and Comet Lake. Yeah. Love that little refresh in there. It's been kind of interesting how max TDP on this side has been going up consistently. Yeah. Well, and it's also all lies because, like, nobody is using a 9900K at completely stock settings. I mean, that's just crazy.

Why? Does it hurt you when people get unlocked processors and then don't do anything with them? I mean, it's to the point where, like, all the motherboard manufacturers have it as, like, one option. Like, multi-core enhancement. Like, you just turn that on and you get free performance. Like, why would you not do that? Yeah. And it's, like, actually pretty good these days.

I remember when they first started doing those auto-overing things some of them were kind of junk, but now they're Actually quite decent at overclocking your CPU, so it's like yeah doing it manual is more fun, but if you don't want to Press press the button hooray Really really simple Really really simple performance, and that's what they're there They're doing it for you at the factory now, too, with the 9900KS, which should be out in a couple of months. So that'll be fun.

5 gigahertz all core out of the box. Dang. That's actually pretty crazy. I know I think the hardest sell here right now is that Intel is not winning, like, anything in the PR realm at the moment. Everybody's rah-rah AMD as far as I can really tell. It's hard for Intel to stay on their feet PR-wise in the CPU section at this exact point in time.

So coming out and telling everyone that they're gonna have to upgrade their motherboards is a little scary. I realize that they can't also not do that because to push this they apparently need more TDP but like sigh Yeah

You get Wi-Fi 6 support though Well, I'm kind of excited for the X299 stuff which is probably going to come out sooner because you may have up to 48 PCIe lanes for the leak from that and that kind of stuff. That may be exciting. But there's more than just getting a new motherboard that's disappointing.

And one of those things is memory support. So like the Tom's Hardware article is like, oh, the new X299 CPUs that are 10th gen. Really? I mean, are they really 10th gen? That are 10th gen are going to support 256 gigs of memory up from 128. And it's like well not so fast there tom it's we're just now getting memory densities that will support 256 gigs like technically thread ripper will only do 128 gigs but then oh wait 32 gig dims yeah now they're

256 gigs it's fine there now too and it's not that the hardware changed it was always there it's just nobody was making the dims to do that but if you had like a 79 like a 7960x you could use registered memory with those like 512 gigabytes of memory was fine and then intel got wind of people actually using registered memory on those cpu i mean ecc didn't work but you could still use it you still got the capacity yeah they'll got wind of people people doing that, and they just turned it off. And they were like, no, that's always been like that. And I was like, no, really. I'm running 512 gigs of memory on this X99 CPU.

Intel, that is what you need to stop doing. Yes. So on these new processors, if somebody wants to run registered memory, let them. What does it hurt? What does it hurt? But our product differentiation, Wendell, no. We need another segment.

We need to slice the pie, you know, just this little tiny, it's like, or you're gonna have to buy Xeon. It's like, no. Or the new Mac Pro. It's like, you gotta buy the new Mac. You want 64 PCIe lanes from Xeon, you gotta buy the Mac Pro, because otherwise you're only gonna get like 48. Just put your Mac Pro in your server chassis. Don't worry about it. It's fine.

Rack mount it. Are you interested in those at all? No. I'm suspecting no. Yeah. I didn't think so. I just thought, you know, I thought I'd is really it is really interesting that they didn't change the socket so um i think they used the quick path lanes like apple i think was leaning on intel like i don't know there's no this is completely unsubstantiated but it looked like intel was kind of leaning on apple or apple was leaning on intel to have 64 pcie lanes because if you look at the way the pcie layout layout is in the new Mac, it's actually kind of interesting. And, you know, the same server, 3647 socket, you know, where are you going to get the pins for that? I think that they reused the quick path, like what you would normally have for the interconnect for a two socket system. I think they recycled those into PCIe lanes because there's legit only enough pins there for 48 PCIe lanes.

So they got another, you know, a few lanes to take it up to 64 PCIe lanes for Intel, not having the capability to do quick pack. Okay. That's actually pretty interesting. I could be wrong about that, but that's my suspicion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really weird, too, because these leaks say that the new high-end desktop processors are still going to be X299. But I figured they would just go ahead. I mean, if they're doing the Apple stuff, they'd just go ahead and do 3647 on the desktop. Unless they're having massive production problems. And then it's like, well, maybe we shouldn't do that. Which I think they kind of are.

That's not what they tell shareholders. That's true. That's fair. Yeah. Who really knows, though? Okay. I want your thoughts on this one, too. And we might as well go over this subject.

We're changing topics. We're going to talk about study shows that Americans are waiting around three years to replace their phones now. shows that Americans are waiting around three years to replace their phones now. That's the old like standard laptop replacement time that I used to expect from people when I was selling computers when I was a teenager. So that's quite a bit up there compared to phones from back in the day. I know for a while there was relatively common for people to swap out their phone every year. And it started creeping up. My kind of goal personally is usually two years how often do you replace your phone probably about every 18 months give or take but i'm physically very hard on on my phones i mean i'm thinking about like the computational horsepower

of like the galaxy s8 and like using the galaxy s8 today. That's pushing quite like two and a half years. That's fine. That's a fuck. I mean It's totally okay. There's not really like any super compelling features Of a phone that would make you want to to really switch sort of sort of crazy. Oh, you're trying Yeah, yeah, the train rips by every once in a while So 18 months, but you think that's almost due to physical wear and tear? Yeah, I think the physical wear and tear is, for me, is more than functionality because I've got a burner phone that's an LG G5, and it's basically okay.

I notice that it's a little slow sometimes. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I think that's similar to it for me do you run cases do you have cases on your phone i don't remember if you did or not yeah okay even with the cases you have a lot of physical wear and tear is that from dropping it or is that just from just manhandling your phone using it yeah yeah and no matter how careful I am with it, I'll break it. Like, this case isn't super old, but, like, the corners are already really messed up. Yeah, yeah. And, like, pocket lint and stuff gets in all the speaker drills, and then people are like,

what, I can't hear you. And it's like, oh, I've got some lint in the tiny microphone hole. There's even, for me, like, I bengate was a long time ago but i tend to find that after a while most of my devices have some form of curve in them yeah yeah and like even my switch has a little bit of a curve my my laptop has a little bit of a curve my phone i think has a little bit of a curve and i'm just like this i don't know what I do but whatever it is I'm slowly killing everything one of the things that I think that we might see in next generation phones that people probably would like is the ability to use it as more than just a phone like Samsung has their

deck stuff that they've had I think since the s7 it's just usb-c and then you get hdmi and usb peripherals and so like you can get a little dock and they were like 200 yeah they're like 25 and you plug that in and that is actually a reasonable experience at this point dex on like an s9 a galaxy s9 or the uh the new s10 uh is not unlike abook, and it's not a bad experience. Yeah, it's kind of interesting that phones are getting that fast and that fluid, and that I guess for probably both of us, because I would argue more or less the same thing, I'm starting to replace them because the wear on tear in them is getting relatively high and i could swap the battery and sometimes maybe i do but uh the rest of the wear and tear on the system is so high that it kind of makes sense to replace it every you said 18 months i'm going to go with around two

years for myself and i've even i've adopted a slightly different strategy now which i've only done once but i'm planning on doing it this next time around too. When the, this is a Pixel 2, and I bought it right around when the Pixel 3 came out. And when the Pixel 4 comes out, I'm probably going to buy a Pixel 3. Oh yeah, that's a good strategy. They're quite discounted.

If I get it fresh out of the box, the battery's still pretty good. There's no wear and tear on it, and it's just as fast as it needed to be. I'm quite a power user on my phone, but the apps that I use are, like, the Floatplane app, Twitter, Gmail, YouTube. Like, I'm not using super high-performance applications. I don't really play games on my phone other than some Pokemon Go, but, like, whatever. I don't really play games on my phone other than some Pokemon go but like whatever I don't know The hardest thing on my phone is like asking it to be a hotspot and then destroying the battery and yes

And then destroying the battery again. Yeah, we're getting three an average of three charge cycles a day You have me as a hotspot and you're doing something Fairly intensive on my system and you're plugging me in for power at the same time. This is brutal. I'm running at a million degrees right now. Yeah, that's not great. But can you imagine if phones were modular? I love the G5.

Like, the end of it pops off and you can replace the battery. And so, like, I've replaced the battery in it, like, twice. And I still use it as a hotspot for the network that it's on. And for, like, that i still use it as a hot spot for the network that it's on and for like that use case it works great although uh one day a couple of weeks ago i was using it and um it came unglued like the screen and stuff just popped off and it's like oh it's probably time to get a new phone i mean it's had a good run for like four years. What was like in like 2014, I think, there was some super popular with media project of like a modular phone. Oh, that was aggressively modular.

Sorry? Was that a Kickstarter thing? I think so. Yeah, so that turns out it was a fraud. Those guys didn't do anything. Literally nothing. It was completely, completely fake. Phone blocks.

Yeah, or was that it? No, there was a fraud recently where some guy was like, look, here's your little compute module, and you put it in your phone, but you take it out, and you put it in a tablet, or you take it out, and you put it in a little laptop, and it just becomes whatever you need. It was like complete fraud. Huh, okay, yeah. So phone blocks. Phone and then

B-L-O-K-S. This looks like what I can put on my screen. This is what I was talking about. And it looks exactly the same as it used to. R suggested a phone that you can easily upgrade, repair, customize, a modular phone. The bigger picture, and then they, like, build the blocks into the back of a monitor or a laptop or whatever else.

We are not building it. There are other companies that are simply... Have a look. The thing that I was talking about was Dragonfly Future Phone. Dragonfly Future Phone. Convertible dual-screen notebook meant to dramatically simplify computing.

Its slingshot section was a 7-inch Android phone with a stylus. There was only one part of the device that you could, like, it was modular. And it was like, yes, this is where we need to go with the future. And no. Oh, geez. They raised almost a million dollars. Yeah. Canadian.

Straight up fraud. Yikes. It's interesting that we're on this topic. Let me. So this is, you know, a blast from the past. This thing is ancient. This is a Sharp Zaris SLC860. This is from Japan.

And so this is a handheld computer. So, like, think GPD before GPD was a thing. Yeah, yeah. In Japan, it's got a compact flash slot, and it's got a built-in storage and an SD card slot as well and in Japan you could get a cellular compact flash card for this and use it as a phone and for messaging and as a hotspot and All of the cool stuff, and it's like I don't know why but like this form factor has gone away But it's also it the screen would turn around like a tablet, and so you could use it,

you know, screen out, or you could open it up and clamshell it, and it was fine. It's a little bulky by modern standards, but I haven't seen a portable cellular device like that, and I don't know why, because I think there are a lot of people out there that would use it. Yeah, I think the... Something I noticed that was written in the doc, I'm going to loop around to answer your question a little bit here, is that... Where is it? Samsung and Apple users still replace their phone more often than the rest of the public

about every year and a half. This might be a reflection of how those are viewed as more premium brands that attract more enthusiasts as well. I think a lot of people, even if they won't admit it, buy phones as fashion statements. Yeah. So I think that thing that you just showed, while being super cool, is also kind of a brick. Yeah.

It might be interestingly fashionable within a certain crowd. You know what I mean? But I think it's not like a standard fashion object. And there's probably a higher percentage of people that are buying phones for enthusiast reasons in this audience but i think across the spectrum there's quite a few people that are like yeah i buy phones based on specs and really the spec that they're looking for is like the name apple or samsung or whatever else i know a lot of hipsters that are still rocking like the iPhone 7 though

Okay, but that might also be because the Apple stuff is just a complete wasteland That might be it like that could be that could be part of the problem Of course you can get your new Apple credit card now and Apple will be more than happy to finance you that new iPhone 10 Oh, yeah, no problem at all. Maybe they'll give you a sleeve so they can protect it from you. What are your thoughts on the, we don't even have this in the dock, but what are your thoughts on the fact that that card apparently gets stained from denim and leather? That's, I mean, could there be a more quintessentially Apple story?

It bends in your pocket. you're holding the phone wrong it gets stained from the things that you put it in i mean really because it's like you know everybody's always on about apple engineering and like how much thought apple puts into things and then stuff like that happens and it's like did you even do any testing like really did you do any testing at all yeah i'm just bringing up the apple card site right now what kind of heathen would put this card in their leather wallet who even has leather wallets anymore no we must everyone is carrying like that little clip thingy like this is how it's done in a modern world you know wallets are out no one carries a wallet it It's a clip. You need it. You need a money clip. That's all you need

Card is here It's just it's so I don't even understand because like okay, I'm sure it's it's helpful in some places But it's not like it doesn't oh whoops. There's twitch It doesn't have the numbers on it, which is cool for security reasons. But then that, to me, means that it's probably mostly a physical card. Yeah. Because cards that people want to use for online, they usually want to see the numbers on it. Or they put it in their phone or whatever.

But as far as my understanding goes, Apple Pay or Android Pay is, like, everywhere in the States. Is it not? Am I wrong about this? I don't have first-hand experience. This is anecdotal from other people. It's definitely not everywhere and in fact, a lot of places are not even chip yet. Which is so scary. I did know the chip part. I find that

kind of hilarious. It's so weird to me that that's even a thing at all but yeah yeah it's it's just i don't i mean the level of security dumb is just really bad i think the apple app is supposed to generate like one-time use credit card numbers which is part of the reasoning for not having the uh not having the number on the card so if you need a thing you just go and you hit a button and it gives you a one-time use credit card and that prevents your credit card number from being stolen in the first place and it's like oh it's brilliant apple look they caught it through they copied what was it privacy.com didn't they do that yeah there's uh i think even discover has had one-time use credit card numbers for like five years,

but nobody likes Discover, so no one noticed. I love that idea. I always actually really like that. This is not an ad for Privacy.com, but I always really liked that concept. I don't think you can do it in Canada. I'm pretty sure Privacy.com does not work for Canadians, so get rekt, me. But I always thought it was a cool idea for a service. But yeah, I find it kind of funny.

I don't personally, like my wallet, the inside of it is fabric lined. It's not leather lined. And someone was saying like, oh, you can't put it in your purse, and I'm like, I mean, I don't have a ton of experience with purses, but most purses I've seen are not lined on the inside with leather and most people that I know they said you can get it stained from denim most people I know their pockets it's not denim it's a different type of fabric so I think there's like a little bit maybe overreaction I could I could but people are going to hate me for saying that but I just think like it's probably not gonna matter in most cases I

wonder like there is There is something Socially wrong with producing a card that is built like as if it's gonna last 50 years Like Apple is gonna issue you your 50- year card that's going to last 50 years because it's made out of titanium and you know it's quality and it exudes quality and it's just like this really amazing thing but in reality those things have a lifetime of like three to five years they should they should be disposable and recyclable and so like if apple is really doing what their mantra says you know they're putting a lot of thought into it and making our genius leads to this simplicity,

then it should be something disposable and just durable enough. And that's it. Yeah, I hear that for sure, especially because you might lose it and stuff. Part of me goes, well, if you can exchange the numbers all the time, you don't really need to expire the actual physical card.

But the tech on the card will be useless pretty soon. We could pop out the chip and pop in a new one. Apple making something you can upgrade? What? Can you imagine Apple pushing? When AMD had the epic server launch thing the flash memory summit thing was going on as well and toshiba i think it was toshiba unveiled a new uh nvme interconnect that is very small and very compact and it's like apple is in a position market-wise to push ic vendors into new packaging technologies that would allow things to be modular like there's not enough room for dims anymore all right great let's figure out a way to do socketed bga or

let's figure out a way to do like whatever toshiba was doing with this socketed NVMe. Why can't we do that? There's been some... I've seen a few really cool white papery kind of stuff about various NVMe drives that could be mounted in different ways and stuff and it's super cool. I just think... I don't know. I do wonder every once in a while... I don't know. I do wonder every once in a while, like, if Steve Jobs still was around, what would we be seeing right now?

Would he be pushing for those kinds of things? Or would he just be laughing all the way to the bank? I don't know. It could go either way. He could be pushing these things. He was kind of a fan of closed system in a lot of ways. Especially a little bit further back, but I don't know it's it's interesting next up We've sorry sorry one of the ODM demos of that Toshiba NVMe Was actually using the case to the laptop as a heat sink for the NVMe to get better performance because it was so tiny

Compared to a regular NVMe and but they were like look the case and retention mechanism for this is metal and conducts heat so you just put a little thermal pad on there and if it's like an aluminum unibody it's going to conduct that heat all you know and it's not going to be uncomfortable it's only going to warm up by like two or three degrees c but that's enough to sustain three gigabytes per second read and two and a half gigabytes per second right on something smaller than a postage stamp. And it's like, oh, my gosh, these guys have invented a new modular interconnect. This is going to be amazing for future laptops. And it's like, wait, shouldn't this be the kind of thing?

Why? Come on, guys. Sorry. What's next? Moving us on. Some Facebook employees were aware of the, I'm sure you heard about this. You guys probably even covered it. The Cambridge Analytica shadiness.

Was that wrong? Should we not have done that? Who knows? Apparently they were aware of it all the way back in 2015. Oh, wait. You mean, okay. Yes. you should not have done that. I thought you meant, was that wrong to cover it? And I was like, eh. News is confusing to me, I never know what we should or shouldn't do.

Uh, apparently, sorry? Well, Zuckerberg's whole attitude with that was like, alright, we got all this, we got all these people's private information, does anybody have any idea how we can make a bunch of money with it? And Cambridge Analytica was like, I don't know. Let us have the data and play with it. And he's like, all right. Oh, sweet.

Okay, yeah. Sounds good. Although the story about Cambridge Analytica's handling of the data in the run-up to 2016 U.S. election didn't break until 2018, recently published internal messages show that some Facebook employees knew that something was amiss with Cambridge Analytica all the way back in September 2015. I like that one of the internal investigations from Facebook was like,

well, this is worrisome, but we can't find where they broke any rules. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. That doesn't mean you shouldn't stop things. Yeah, I mean, that was the gist that I got. This wasn't technically against the rules, but is this something we should discuss as a company at Facebook? Or is this something we should worry about? And so, I mean, did the left hand know what the right hand was doing?

Is it one of those situations where it's like, maybe we shouldn't do this, but we can make a whole bunch of money? There's a lot of industries that are built that way. It's like an industry will do something that is completely amoral, and then they will get cemented in business-wise, and then they will help erect laws that will make it so that other companies can't do that. Yeah, yeah. Pretty epic.

I just hate this whole situation. It's all terrible. I'm not surprised people knew about it. Almost always in one of these situations, if a news article comes out saying someone knew about it or it doesn't, it's still probably the exact same conclusion. Someone probably knew about it. Someone at one of these companies probably knew. You could have assumed that before this article came out. Someone has to know that Facebook handed over all of that data to some random analytical company. It was just like, good um and and if that's happening it's

fairly easy to assume bad things will be happening with that data it's not exactly a big jump and some people inside on facebook would have known that so um it's it's also not it's it's the same pattern as has existed since any kind of industrialization it's like Ford knew that the Pinto's gas tank burst into flames at the drop of a hat but the you know how many people are gonna die as a result of that is it worth recalling the entire line probably not a lot of people are gonna die we can probably pay off for people to die from the you know the gas tank that burst into flames so let's not bother recalling the gas tank. It's kind of like that, but with people's privacy.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, somebody even said here, somebody had to transfer the data and slash or give access to it. Yeah. And like almost any reasonable human being that's in that position is going to go, huh, this is weird. Right? I don't know.

Like it's interesting that this article came up. I just think it's no real new information if you think about what happened in general. No good deed goes unpunished. Yeah. I actually skipped a topic by accident. But I'm going to take a quick intermission here to tell you about what you've all really been waiting for in this show which is the sponsor spots

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Yeah. In more fun things related to fire, Walmart is suing Tesla over defective solar panels. This is actually kind of impressive. It's not their batteries. It's the solar panels. Yeah. Which is, I haven't personally heard of before well i've heard of battery units connected to solar panel units lighting on fire well it can't be like it sounded well the report from

walmart said that there were there were cracks and poor electrical connections yeah like improperly installed panels and so this could be like the panels are fine but the army of contractors that tesla found because their product uh just sort of went really badly and one thing that i wondered was like are these the same ingredients as like the solar uh roof tiles that are supposed to be like solar shingles or whatever or is this some other commercial product but i i would totally believe that like if there was not a good electrical connection that that would totally start a fire but then Walmart was like let's shut it shut down all the panels on all of our stores and another one caught fire it's really

weird apparently they had to like ask for them to be shut down so maybe there was some mismanagement there as well. Over 240 Walmarts... Sorry? Oh, we missed that one. Yeah. Whoops! Over 240 Walmarts have solar panels on the roof from Tesla, but Walmart says they've caught fire on top of as many as

seven stores. After a pattern of... Sorry? That seems like a lot. That's a pretty high percentage. That's a pretty high percentage. That's a very high percentage. I would like to see where they all are, because your contractor idea is very interesting to me, actually. And if they're all in kind of a similar area,

that could line up pretty well. It's the same group of people. Walmart says Tesla's own inspections uncovered a litany of issues with the panels, including cracks, loose connectors, and incorrect grounding, like Wendell was just saying. The lawsuit is for millions of dollars, though the companies have stated they're working together to try to solve the issue. Not a good look for Tesla as their position is a luxury brand for the public. Obviously, they don't want to have people thinking there might be shoddy workmanship. for the public obviously they don't want to have people thinking there might be shoddy workmanship i'm pretty sure that tesla could just be like we'll put these in like 50 more walmarts for free

just hush up about it and we'll fix these problems with these other ones and walmart will will say everything's fine totally good now it's all this free electricity i mean so this this could totally be a negotiation tactic because oh tesla seems hyper sensitive to any kind of like pr issue because they've got a madman at the helm well and also if tesla um not even sneezes if tesla goes like there's 47 news articles written about it like it's absolutely nuts the the amount of times you have like some crazy car accident with a whole bunch of miscellaneous cars involved. And then, like, some Tesla driver, not an autopilot, drives into a wall. And every automotive-related thing and every mainstream news outlet all at the same time is like,

Tesla ran into a wall! Oh, my God! Like, it's, the news surrounding them is absolutely bonkers so like i'm not saying this is a good thing he had seven solar panels installation catch on fire he screwed up pretty bad but like i don't know this is a this is a deal between walmart and tesla they're gonna figure it out walmart's almost certainly going with what you suggested which is some type of negotiation play. They probably want free installations or they want free checkups on all the different places, which they should at the very least have free checkups and some, which is at the minimum what they're going for. But knowing Tesla,

they'll end up with free installations as well. Because it seems like installations are not, I mean, I imagine there's a they're high enough dollar value that it would make sense to just put in cellular monitoring because like Tesla is connected at all times to the entire fleet to monitor everything and then save their bacon a bunch of times because somebody has come up with some crazy story that seemed plausible based on the available information and then all of a sudden Tesla trots out like the black box recordings and video and just all of a sudden tesla trots out like the black box

recordings and video and just all kinds of other stuff and it's like wow that's not creepy at all that my car is recording all of that at all times so they could probably do that with the test with the uh solar installations as well yeah i think um i mean there's probably people in twitch chat freaking out because we're wrong about something. But if it is external contractors, I would like to think that they would have some first-party Tesla approval process where they, like, send out a one- to two-person team just to check the install and make sure that it's okay afterwards. Because finding things like cracked panels and whatnot, that should be pretty easy to do. Like, a cracked panel should never be installed.

Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. Are they cracked because somebody walked across the installation because they had to get, like we surrounded the air conditioners with solar panels and then the compressor died and the crew had to get to the compressor to replace it on the air conditioner. It's like, well, maybe we shouldn't have put the solar panels in a 360 degree radius around here

Maybe we should have left the walk path. I don't know Yeah, planning goes a long way A used solar panel shouldn't be used. Okay. I don't know. I don't think that ever came up someone in chat tagged me and was like a used solar panel shouldn't be used. And I'm like, all right. Sounds good. Let me move down here a little bit more. What other news do we have? Android Q. Does this interest you? Android Q. Google is, Android Q. Does this interest you? Android Q. Google is, they're going with Android 10 instead of Android Q is the news. They're breaking the trend of dessert themed names.

I love how the notes in here say they could have gone with, one of the words suggested was quinoa. I don't think that would work. They generally go with dessert based things. Come on, John. I know you're looking at the doc right now um officially the reason is that people in some parts of the world didn't understand the naming scheme due to linguistic reasons or just not being familiar with certain desserts which does kind of make sense um the question that i have for you is is Q the 10th letter of the alphabet? because I don't think it is hey

I'd have to follow their their scheme for a little while but yeah I also if I ever have to find where a letter in the alphabet is I have to read out the whole darn alphabet

I'm one of those people so they could have gone with quench gum I guess that's the only candy that I could find that literally started with q and it's not I mean o for oreo they've not that's not unprecedented but no yeah I thought it was kind of surprising when they started using branded things. Was it KitKat? Was that the first branded one? Yeah. I was like, that's really weird, actually. And then they did Oreo later on and a few other things.

Apparently there's a dessert from Luxembourg that starts with Q. The TechLinked Twitter posted it out. But then, okay, that actually lines up with what it said at the beginning of this doc, which was one of the reasons is it's being blocked due to linguistic reasons or people just not knowing what certain desserts are. You and me both can't think of a dessert that starts with Q, and apparently there's one from Luxembourg randomly. Like, okay, I don't know.

Yeah. Whatever, man. I would like to see Google turn Android into a full, okay, I don't know. Yeah. Whatever, man. I would like to see Google turn Android into a full, like, merge Android and Chrome OS and build a desktop operating system. Or build something more toward a desktop Linux. Ooh, more desktop Linux. I'm just going to stay on topic for a quick second and then i'll jump back to what you said um i i think they could have just dropped the alphabetizedness and just started calling it random desserts yeah that would have been good like who cares if it's an alphabetical

order just call it i don't know ice they already have ice cream. Just call it something don't worry about it, but I want it I want an Android Klondike Yeah Sure I Mean they went with the branded thing so like whatever Roll with it harder gummy bears. Yeah, sweet But yeah, I know I I agree having what do they even call the desktop version right now? Is it Android OS?

Chrome OS Chrome OS Chrome is right of course Having that be beefed up would be pretty nice. Yeah, that'd be cool another option on the scene Well, there's crouton where you can like run Android apps or run Linux apps under Chrome and there's like a new version of that But I haven't played with it But one of the one of the guys I know was messing around with it and it look it look pretty legit But also Chrome's ability to run Android applications like that's fairly mature at this point. And so that's almost the promised land Yeah, I

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unpause it and keep playing and I was like no stop I know you want your revenue but but this is also, I'm watching my own channel, so that's not supposed to happen anyways. Stop it. Okay, let's move on. This one's fun, just in the internet of terrible things. Smart ovens are starting to have a mind of their own. The June oven has been turning on in the middle of the night and heating up to 400 degrees Fahrenheit. One user left his potatoes in the oven to cool, but they turned them black. They ended up being totally burnt. Fantastic. June's CEO is blaming users for the issues. Always a good stance to take.

Saying that they're accidentally activating the oven through the app, which is fantastic because apparently it's happening while people are sleeping. I just, I just, I don't know. I've never, it's, it should almost be illegal to preheat your oven through your phone. Like, in countries with, like... What could possibly go wrong? Yeah, but, like, in countries with government-funded fire, like, fire halls. Like, I feel like this is just directly going to increase.

I feel bad enough when I do sous vide remotely, but I keep in mind that, like, it doesn't go over 100 degrees. directly going to increase i i feel bad enough when i when i do sous vide remotely but i know i keep in mind that like it doesn't go over 100 degrees like it's not it's going to be relatively calm it's probably gonna be like a stick that's like 60 degrees it's probably okay um well one fix is to add even more internet of things things to monitor the internet of things things so that we know what's happening so So, like, if you get, like, your Google smart home director detects that the Internet of Things oven has come on at 4 o'clock in the morning, the advanced AI algorithm is like, hmm, that doesn't sound right

because, you know, our user does not work third shift. So perhaps I should spam them with lots of notifications on their phone to be like, hey, the oven is activated. Or the AI could take it upon itself to deactivate the oven so that it doesn't burn the house down. And then a few years later from there, we have that same AI that's now pissed off because its user keeps ignoring all of its warnings, turning on the oven when the user isn't home, being like, now the user will never come home. All my problems are solved. I think that we saw this future like

the end of this future in the movie wally yeah it's just like what is like people just didn't know what's going on yeah i just i thought that was ridiculous that was fun that was posted uh our source for that was the verge june smart oven is there any smart anything that actually makes sense like a lot of fridges now have a built-in screen smartphones well i mean like appliances yeah i'm kidding i'm gonna buy a house when i buy a house it usually comes with some of the appliances if not a lot of the appliances yeah and am i gonna buy a house and have a 15 year old smart fridge that is basically a security vulnerability nightmare that's probably already mining bitcoin for some guy in russia i mean

is that just out of the box yeah you don't know yeah no seriously, seriously. None of it makes a lot of sense to me. I do enjoy my sous-vides, and I do kind of like them being somewhat smart devices, just because, well, mostly that. So that's a June oven. Okay, so it's a toaster oven. I do like my Juul being smartphone connected, but that's just because it takes, it doesn't get that hot,

so it's not that big of a deal. And the functions that it has, a smart, like you can't tweet from your Juul. Like you can't, or your, so Juul, when I say Juul,

all the younger people, I'm that person now. I think I'm saying the J-U-U-L smoking thing, which I still have never seen in real life. But I'm talking J-O-U-L-E, the sous vide kitchen appliance. If you have your Juul, it's going to take a while to cook things, and you probably pre-prepped everything that's going to go in it. So you preheat it from your phone, which it doesn't get that hot, so it doesn't really matter. And then once it's preheated,

you just go dunk your thing in, and then you can monitor from your phone when it's going to be done. And in some cases, it's going to be like three hours if you're cooking, I believe, a frozen chicken breast. So it can be a while, so being able to monitor it from your phone is kind of cool, and it doesn't get that hot, so I get that but with like some random toaster oven that can get to 400 degrees and you can preheat it from your phone like that just that seems extremely unnecessary that's where I store my manuscripts perfect perfect that's the other thing is like if it's if you have a smart connected devices device I I'm I can find some that are legitimate although. I can't really off the top my head right now the scope

Seems to always be too much for me like why did it do these things? like there was a there was a story recently of a girl who Her her mom tried to ban her off of Twitter, so she took her like laptop away or something or her phone So she tweeted from her like DS And she took her DS away, so she tweeted from the Wii so she took her Wii away So she tweeted from the fridge. I was like why why can you tweet from the fridge like what oh man? That's the world we live in now, but just like come on That's ridiculous. I am like like i'm sure there's some use

case where you have like a private twitter account and just your family is able to follow that twitter account and then you can like go in the fridge and be like i press the milk button and it auto tweets out like hey mom give me some milk like sure okay but there's got to be easier ways to do that too i don't know why i'm reminded of this but uh when asterix you know the open source phone system thing was new yeah uh i set up an asterix system and uh just for just for the lulls one of the extensions you could dial in this corporate phone system would take you to play Zork, the text adventure. And it would read,

it would text the speech, read you what was happening. The commands. So I'm pretty sure we could set it up so that, you know, just touch tone phone dialing. We can get Twitter going. Yeah,

probably. I don't, yeah, I don't even think that'd be that hard. Twitter is so freaking simple. Oh man. Obviously like attachments and stuff wouldn't work, probably. I don't even think that would be that hard. Twitter is so freaking simple. Oh, man. Obviously, like, attachments and stuff wouldn't work, but.

There's a service for prisoners. So, like, prisoners are not allowed to have technology, at least in the U.S. I mean, you guys probably have, like, fancy resort prison in Canada. But in the U.S., it's like most people, they're not allowed to really have that kind of technology. But there's a service that people on the outside can subscribe to. And so, like, you add your own social media to it, like the prisoner's family or whatever. Like, you know, say you accidentally ran over somebody and you're going to go to jail for two or three years for manslaughter. But you want to keep in touch with the family, but, you know, it's prison.

The service will print your twitter feed and mail it and then they'll have you know they get your they get your feed but in mail form once a week oh man that's that's actually wild huh i kind of, that's a lot of... Do you get, like, a book? Well, I mean, it's not... I mean, I guess if you subscribe to, like, a million people, it would probably only be, like, the first ten pages. But the idea is, like, if you're taking pictures of your kids, or, like, your spouse is in prison,

and you're taking pictures of your kids or your family, and, you know, stuff's going on, or you make a post to Facebook, like, you know, Grandma's diabetes medicine went up again then all that gets printed and mailed to a prison somewhere and then they can just read it and they can reply by mail like they can send a letter to the service and you know oh my goodness prisoners have a limited ability to send email though. It's very limited But they can send email send physical mail snail mail. Oh, yeah, okay, okay? That's uh That's really interesting. I had I had no idea any of that stuff existed I know I know next to those are my discord notifications that guys sorry about that. I don't know if I can

Mute that give me one second Do you I should be able to oh no if I'm you discord I mute you That work okay. Let's not worry about it. Sorry about the discord notifications my dudes Next up in fun government things FAA asks citizens to please not stick weapons on their drones well that's not a problem for here us here in the states because uh i you know as a citizen of the great nation of you know the united states of america if i want to manufacture my own firearms for my own personal use that is my right under the Second Amendment So like if I want to construct my own like if I want to

Cue from raw metal and the sweat of my brow You know a 1911 pistol that has no serial number or anything. That is my god-given right anything that is my god-given right oh goodness yeah that's that's amazing so but this okay but this says that you get fined 25 grand for each violation yeah they're just it's like you're you can't so you can't make booby traps is is what they're flying this under as so like you holding a weapon you making a weapon that's totally okay but you putting a weapon on a drone that's not okay you're going to accidentally do something bad and for a lot of places have uh been not getting any kind of rain or anything the flame throwing drones that would be bad that would be a good easy way to accidentally start a forest fire that no firefighter can actually reach yeah they seem to be saying

was done in response to online videos showing drones with it does specifically call out flamethrowers and it says guns attached to them and i guess that would be with that is is there any laws i don't i'm not very up on american laws in general but especially not their firearms stuff uh is there any laws about like reckless use of a firearm yes lots yeah lots of laws about reckless use of a fire so i feel like attaching a gun to a drone would probably fall under reckless use of a firearm whatever that's actually called yes yeah there was a farm in texas that got in trouble uh some ranch owner owned a couple hundred acres and he had a service where you could actually

there was like a deer stand and you could sign up and control a rifle on a turret and it was i mean it's completely safe because it was like a live range but the deer would come from the tree line you know into the range and you could shoot deer over the internet that was frowned upon and so that's not a thing anymore but that was totally basically okay you could shoot real deer over the internet that's like the most intense version of buck hunter ever i think in Canada or not in Canada in Alaska it's still okay to hunt like wolves and bears and stuff from a helicopter okay isn't that that's totally okay for boars in Texas right I

think so yeah yeah it's just you like, you know not be reckless about it So it's gonna be those very you gotta you know, not be reckless, but your machine gun from your helicopter Very low population density. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense That's uh, that's fantastic If you do ever come visit we'll go to the range. You'll have a lot of fun I am my grandpa was was in the Marines, and he's taken me to ranges basically every time I've seen him for quite a while. I'm not saying I wouldn't love to go.

Actually, we were talking about this in the pre-show. I want to come check out your studio and everything, so that would be fantastic. That would be awesome. Combination technology and guns technology as it turns out yes that's always a fun thing to bring up when it's like people are like uh this isn't tech news and i'm like yeah are you sure it probably is pretty much no matter what we're talking about it probably is i think with though, we can probably conclude the show.

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Success oh Man okay awesome. Yeah, that's it for the show guys. Thank you everyone for watching. Oh Actually, I'm gonna not forget here real quick. Sorry I'm gonna not forget here real quick. Sorry But I'm gonna jump to Let's put something on screen that doesn't matter And then jump here, I just want to read off super chats. Oh, yeah super chat Is there just the one I think there's just one. That's amazing. Thank you, Random Citizen.

Yeah, I think it's because we skipped out on reading them so many times in a row. We are so good at this. Okay, yeah. Gordy Tech Channel donated two pounds and said, turn Wendell up. Well, thanks, Gordy Tech Channel. I'll try to sit closer to the mic next time. Deeply appreciated, my man.

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