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With Uber Reserve, you can book your Uber ride in advance. 90 days in advance. Perfect for all you forward thinkers and planning gurus. Reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance. Uber Reserve. See Uber app for details. Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic show for you today, oh compelling topics like for example did you know that intel is saying their 11th gen h series is going to beat amd's mobile chips so badly that a core i5 will be

faster than a ryzen 9 well exciting that actually that actually is pretty exciting for the people who buy gaming laptops, of which I am assured that there are at least dozens. In other news, Elon says Tesla will no longer accept Bitcoin as payment for Tesla vehicles because of environmental concerns that he evidently managed to be entirely not aware of before. But now he is woke. Luke, what else we got today? I would tell you that we are going to talk about Apple versus Epic, but I'm sure you already knew that. So I will say that NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 and 3050 TIs are going to kind of maybe usher in $799 RTX gaming laptops, which I wouldn't be surprised if people found a way to successfully mine them.

Imagine this, Luke. Oh, you know what? No, I'll talk about it later. What else? Also, U.S. East Coast Colonial Pipeline hacked. Fuel shortages abound. in this luke oh you know what no i'll talk about it later what else also u.s east coast colonial pipeline hacked fuel shortages abound and uh it's it's been pretty hilarious to watch from afar watching people fill uh plastic grocery bags up with gasoline oh boy oh boy here we go and also it's been great also a lot of that fake, which is also great because thank you.

Yeah. All right. Let's roll that intro. this show featuring a core i5 being faster than a ryzen 9 is brought to you by user benchmark just kidding it's brought to you by tuxcare uh shells.com and seesonic. All right, why don't we jump right into our first topic of the day. Yesterday, Intel announced their Core i9-11980HK. Let's dissect that processor code a little bit here. So it's an i9, which means it's at the top of their stack. It's got an 11, which means it is 11th gen. It has a K in it, which means it is overclockable. It is H, which means it is part of their H series.

So those are their high powered mobile chips. And it has a 980 in it, which means it's faster than something with a lower number. It's like a really good wine pairing to a 980 ti um they call it the world's best gaming laptop processor and it's based on their 10 nanometer superfin process and has eight cores with a max frequency of five gigahertz intel promises a 19 generation over generation multi-threaded improvement which i could actually see coming and pci express gen 4 makes an appearance apparently it is really fast with intel including these graphs let's go ahead and oh do i have we all know not to trust to be very clear before we move on

uh hold on a second there's the one i was looking for okay well hold on a second hold on a second now luke are you gonna are you gonna say this are you gonna say this wait wait wait wait wait wait i think we can trust that these graphs are what intel believes believes okay okay that's a pretty nice wording i like that that's good that's good but also but also in all seriousness i think that there is a solid chance that intel knew the correct way to benchmark these games okay i mean they have very qualified people there that are easily able to come up with games and settings and and benchmark runs that would be indicative of the performance of their solution versus someone else's solution i think we can all agree that they're capable of that yeah definitely okay so there you have it then, Luke. I think Intel believes that these numbers are right.

And I think Intel is capable of running benchmarks. Where we run into trouble is that Intel is a company made up of many, many people. And sometimes in between engineering and accounting and marketing, things get a little bit lost in the mix. With that said, we don't really have any reason to believe that the Core i9-11980HK will not be a very high-performance CPU. So back to these numbers for a little bit here. Some of these games don't look that important.

I mean, if I was to choose a mobile CPU based on Far Cry New Dawn at this point, I'd say I'm a little bit behind in the times. But, I mean, Rainbow Six Siege? Okay. Rainbow Six Siege is in there? Rainbow Six Siege is in there. That's a bit...

So something I did was i opened up twitch and i went to the highest viewed categories because i was like it like that that's what a lot of people are going to care about it's it's not the be all end all obviously we've talked about that before but it's pretty indicative of what people care about there are a lot of things at the top that aren't going to like i mean league of legends minecraft counter-strike valorant these are all games that are extremely easy to run fortnite um but you know there's maybe some other games they could have tested i know it's a multiplayer game but they're intel so they probably could have figured something out um testing as much as i'm not necessarily a fan of it but call of duty warzone is huge and has been huge for a long time they didn't do apex or

warzone which is interesting to me so one thing that's notable here too is that they aren't using the exact same system that's something that actually makes benchmarking lap anything about laptops extremely difficult because if one of the desktop you can do as apples to apples of comparison as possible amd and intel are basically at feature parity at this point so pci express gen 4 they both use ddr4 memory you know they both use you know they've got okay so yeah actually you can get high speed io on both of them uh so you know m.2 NVMe drives, Thunderbolt four, or excuse me, Thunderbolt three, I don't think I've seen Thunderbolt four on desktop yet. But correct, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But on mobile, you can't even do something as

simple as make sure that both solutions are cooled properly. And on a desktop, you can kind of count on any of the A tier motherboard manufacturers, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock, you can kind of count on any of the A-tier motherboard manufacturers Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock you can count on them to deliver reasonably close performance to each other so the motherboard kind of comes out of the equation as long as it's got high quality traces, high quality VRM so the processor can boost and the memory can run at full speed and all that good stuff

so you can really compare but here you can see so they're using for the core i9 versus ryzen 9 comparison in-house um the intel one was tested in a pre-production oem system with rtx 3080 maximum gfx power 155 watts and then the ryzen 9 was tested in a Lenovo Legion R9000K with an RTX 3080 with a maximum graphics power of 165 watts. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we seen this before where Intel called shenanigans on AMD something something something and then they used Lenovo systems to test the AMD processors and then the Lenovo systems were found to not perform as well as other ones with those particular AMD processors is that is that ringing a bell for anyone else yeah just a little bit so I don't know on the surface it seems like Intel has done their due diligence actually choosing a design that gives more graphics power than the one that they're using but we are going to have to actually wait

for the independent reviews on this one before we declare the 11980hk a big winner as is always true to be fair now we would love to tell you guys if these were actually good or not but unfortunately the press samples got stuck in customs, so no one in the media has had a proper hands-on yet. So I want to just give a big thank you to Intel Corporate for not pushing the embargo back a week to give us some time to test these before they come out. Alex put in some of his thoughts,

so this was added to the doc by alex clark just saying intel's gotten really good at maximizing the performance of hot chips that's one way of that's one that's very charitable a very nice way of saying that so if 10 nanometer gives them some more headroom these chips could be blisteringly fast we checked out the alienware m17r4 recently with the core i9-10 980HK, and it was the fastest gaming laptop we've tested, so it's likely Intel's the new mobile gaming king, but battery life is a major concern, and it wasn't mentioned once in the slides. And given that this is an area that Intel needs to make up even more ground than performance, it's a little bit disconcerting. And the M17 R4 had just two hours

of battery life. Comparable AMD laptops are getting as much as double that. So yeah, for big chonker, you know, desktop replacement machines, these chips could be awesome. But to take on something like the Asus G14, battery life is really important and this doesn't i mean we can't say it's going to be bad but intel hasn't said it's going to be good and i don't know luke do you think when you attend a press conference and you you know watch the slide deck generally speaking if there's anything that can even sort of be spun as positive they try to include that is positive they try to include that absolutely yeah so that's not really a very good sign i i have never been and i at this point i think we'll never ever ever be on board with the like two hour battery life chonker desktop replacement laptops seems so weird to me yeah i i did daily drive one for quite a while do you remember that msi 15 inch

one that i used to have way back in the day i think it was a i want to say a gx 660 let me see if i can i remember something about that yeah yeah there it is all right here hold on a second let me get a display capture here it is look at that tiny little trackpad there. And this was a thick, like, this was a pretty thick boy. You can kind of tell at the back of the device here. I can't really see any great pictures of it. I'll be honest with you, Luke. The only reason that I used that laptop was because MSI gave it to me.

I used that laptop was because MSI gave it to me. I was at NCIX and I co-hosted this like overclocking event or something that they did. And because of being at NCIX, they couldn't pay me or something to do it, even though it was like on my own time. And so they were like, here, how about we like set you up with a laptop and i was like oh yeah cool that sounds amazing and then i got this one and i was like oh well um it's better than anything else you guys make so thanks okay look msi at that time did not have thin and light laptops figured out not even close like you got to remember this this laptop came out back in what 2012 maybe i actually can't even find a date 2010 this article rating this laptop on notebook check came out. So this is an 11-year-old device.

Come on. I just found a picture of a side profile shot from each side. This thing is huge. Yeah, it was only 15 inches in terms of screen size. But you got to remember, bezels were an inch on either end at that point. And it had a Radeon 7970 mobile, whatever that chip was or something stupid like that. Like just utterly ridiculous specs.

And this was before NVIDIA did that whole thing where they made their GPUs efficient enough that they could run full fat desktop chips in mobile computers. he was efficient enough that they could run full fat desktop chips in mobile computers. So yeah, I personally don't really get it. But I also understand for people who just want something that's kind of portable. I mean, Jake and I talked about this a while back, we even talked about doing like a build on Linus Tech Tips doing a video about like the the divorced parents pc and he and I I feel like can joke about it we both we both come from broken homes and it was like okay

what's the justification right for a gaming laptop which can cost I mean at times when GPUs are priced in a sane manner a gaming laptop for the same performance and without the upgradability can cost 50% more easily than an equivalent desktop. Sometimes even more than that, if you get like a sleek, slim one or something along those lines. And, you know, it raises the question,

well, why would anyone be stupid enough to buy one of these? I mean, what if you move around between your homes a lot because your family is broken that's a possibility it's cheaper than having two separate gaming rigs at both places true yeah now naturally because it's me and jake we weren't really thinking gaming laptop here. We were actually thinking a desktop that... You can, like, fit in a backpack? Yeah, and, like, a monitor that folds down really flat,

and the whole thing just goes in your backpack, and you kind of take it to school every other weekend on Fridays to take it to your other parents. Well, look, look, I'm allowed to joke about it, okay? Because... No, the O right there was just me thinking damage and theft. Oh, oh, I see what you mean. You know, when you said, when damage came out of your mouth,

I was going to be like, I'm not that damaged. I pulled out of it, okay? I like to think I'm pretty well adjusted. I pulled out of it, okay? I like to think I'm pretty well adjusted. So that's something we wanted to do for a long time. That's a justification though for a desktop replacement. You don't want to compromise on performance.

Let's say you're not the kind of person to build your own PC or upgrade it. Lots of people, okay, here, Luke, I want you to get out of your your pc enthusiast i can see you i can see you retracting into your little pc enthusiast shell here okay luke think about it this way all right to a lot of people you have a car right do you drive a car yeah you have a car i know you have a car it was a rhetorical question but thank you okay you have a car when your car gets to theical question, but thank you. Okay. You have a car. When your car gets to the point where it's like becoming problematic in terms of maintenance, or it is not a pleasing

experience, what are you most likely to do? Okay. A, throw it away in the garbage. B, fix it up yourself with parts that you get at Lordco or wherever people get car parts or c trade it in and just get something more hassle-free well it's it's just always going to be whatever is the most cost-effective option no it is not you will not you will not upgrade your car shut up okay true but i would i would go get it fixed i wouldn't upgrade it though i would go get it fixed that see it's this is a bit of a issue because you can have an old car that still work like an old computer isn't gonna be able to run the new games or whatever so the analogy doesn't like fully work but you know my car that like the part of the engine blew up oh

no i oh the old one the pontiac yeah yeah yeah yeah you know what i did with that what did you do with it i brought it to a metal scrapyard okay yes yes because no one was willing to buy it and it was just terrible so it was literally worth more in the like weight of the metal than it was anything else and then i got a new car so what i'm trying to say is for a lot of people a computer whether you like it or not they're just not enthusiasts they don't want to learn it's a it's a metal box cables go pluggy pluggy screen go shiny shiny and that's it they don't care so for someone like that if you were just going to either buy two computers or you're going to get one portable one and no matter what computers is nuts you weren't gonna upgrade it anyway there that's my justification for these things so why wouldn't you get a a thinner more easily portable laptop because you're you're probably quite on the move at that point and then have a

like a dock why don't you get a slower desktop that's smaller and with smaller screens? I don't want to. Okay, then. If I'm carrying this thing around all the time, especially if I'm carrying it to school, I wouldn't want a big, chonker desktop. And you can get quite good CPU performance without a GPU in it on a laptop that is not super thick i love it when you are so easy to take down like this it's the best you heard it here first ladies and gentlemen

luke would not he just he would not carry around some big chonky thing at school, okay? This, ladies and gentlemen, is the backpack that Luke actually used actually at school for years, okay? Oh, no. All right. Here it is on the left, I think it is, next to a normal-sized backpack. This thing was easily big enough

for a 17-inch laptop. It was absolutely massive. Let me see. Let me see what happens. They have a padded slot for one. Yeah, when I put it on. This is the one, right? The Averki Titan.

I can't see your screen. Okay, I'm pretty sure this is it. Oh, yes, I can see it now. Yeah, it's the one on the left. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this thing is chungus. I know you do because, Luke, you would carry around whatever is the cheapest most

cost-effective thing that gets you exactly the functionality that you want look how thick this thing is it's awesome it fits everything i swear i swear it's magical every single time like it's at 100 capacity and then someone would be like this can't fit in my luggage can you carry this for me and it would fit every time uh braden hayes says as an engineer i carry around a mobile workstation all the time and i actually prefer it to a thin and light see totally a thing and you're so full of crap you would totally carry around whatever gets the job done and you would you would harm yourself to do it you would that's also probably true you would sacrifice decades of your backs functionality in the interest of having as many fps as you could have gotten for the dollar so whatever laptop you got on super promo that's what you would put in

whatever bag fits it so my one argument though is that these often aren't super promo. They're often really expensive. That's true. And they have a track record for dying really fast. That's true. So that's actually my main concern. The other things I don't like, but yes, I would overcome that for sure. But my cheapness has a big concern with the expensiveness of these laptops

plus the the short warranties short warranties and and i don't know i don't have like tons of evidence for this but anecdotal evidence that they just die left and right um that's been my experience to other things totally been my experience to the reality of it is with a desktop at least if you if you have a discomfort with super high temperatures there's always something you can do it might cost way too much money or it might be way too janky or both but there's always some kind of a solution but but i will concede and someone mentioned like oh they go on super promo when the new version comes out okay so if we're going to the scenario where you have you have two homes for whatever reason,

or you have like two different places where you need your high performance thing in whatever that is. Maybe you like are going to school to be an engineer and you like study partner at your buddy's house all the time and you need your thing there. I don't know what it is. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. house all the time and you need your thing there i don't know what it is it doesn't matter it's irrelevant um i could i could definitely see it making sense i just think you're going down so many paths to get there in the first place that i think it's it should really be for a very small subset of people yep that's fair that's fair yeah and and i think it would have to sit at the spot where like if you have to replace this thing every two years that should still be cheaper than the other solution which is very possible because having like two different systems or whatever else could be very very

expensive but now let's talk about something that is more practical for more people. NVIDIA released the GeForce RTX 3050 and 3050 Ti, promising $800 RTX gaming laptops. Now let's be very clear. A 3050 or 3050 Ti is not getting you reasonable real-time RTX ray tracing performance and basically anything, even with DLSS tricks. That's not a thing. You're not turning RTX on and cranking up the eye candy

without compromising more FPS than I personally would be comfortable doing. Especially after we went through the exercise of having people look at the same game side by side with RTX enabled and RTX not enabled. And anyone but people who have a pretty good understanding of the graphics rendering pipeline not really being able to tell which one was better than the other. I mean, the rasterization tricks that developers have come up with and the skillful way they've

implemented them has made things like real-time real-time lighting and reflections look incredibly convincing so there's going to be this kind of this overlap overlapping kind of learning curve like anytime there's a new tool like a new paradigm for how to do a job there's going to be all these skilled crafts people that are way better at doing it the old way with the old tools and are able to outperform the new tools, even though the end game of the new tools is going to be way better in the end. It's kind of like how, oh man, back when the PS2 came out, right? There were late stage PlayStation 1 games that looked better than some of the early stage PlayStation 2 games. That was totally a thing. And it was just because, don't kid yourself,

PlayStation 1 was not nearly as powerful as the PS2, but developers had figured out how to squeeze every last drop of performance out of it. And they were still learning when it came to ps2 not to mention that launch titles i mean you talk about game developer crunch when you're talking about a game console launch title yeah there's no such thing as not finishing unless you're microsoft with the xbox series did you just go but launch titles what launch titles who needs don't worry about it play the old ones yeah game pass go go get game pass we got old launch titles from previous launches they're launched you can play the last launch title yeah it's fine yeah not that anyone cares i mean they're selling like billio anyway with launch titles there's nothing you can do you must have it ready and sometimes

that means cutting corners and compromising so anyway you're not going to be enabling real-time ray tracing but i don't think that's a big deal because realistically what the rtx 3050 series is about is reasonable performance like we never used to have 10 years ago and i feel like such an old timer talking about this but that msi laptop that supposedly had a 7970 which would have been a top tier GPU. That was way cut down. Power hungry, could barely run anything when it first came out, let alone down the line. And now we're getting, let's have a look at these things. So it's a new GA107 GPU, cut from the same cloth though as the rest of the Ampere family. They're the first chips at a 50 tier to have ray tracing and, well, the other related features that

require RT cores, so thus be eligible for the RTX name. It appears that the 3050 Ti is a full fat, or at least close GA107 implementation. So 20 SMs, a total of 2560 CUDA cores. And then below it is the vanilla with 16 SMs and 2048 CUDA cores both of them are going to have four gigs of gddr6 memory 128 bit bus these are going to be reasonably high performance cards at very mainstream price points so all of a sudden you know luke i think you and i used to basically say if you're a gamer don't buy a laptop or buy a laptop but get a cheap laptop and a cheap gaming PC rather than getting an expensive gaming laptop. But we're at the point now where realistically anything with a decent amount of storage is probably going to be closer to like $900. But for 900 bucks with an RTX 3050 or 3050 TI class graphics card, this is something that you will actually be playing esports titles on for

years to come and just to jump back to that previous conversation as well i mentioned like the games that intel included on their thing and how it didn't include a ton of the games on the front page of twitch this will very easily play a ton of the games on the front page of twitch like yeah it's totally fine you can play your your minecraft your league of legends your fortnite your valorant like a lot of this stuff would be no problem whatsoever and the other thing too is that game developers are really going out of their way here let's go to let's go to games here game developers are really going out of their way to make their games accessible i mean uh league of legends minecraft yeah pretty much everything here is wow halo combat wait why is this showing up 51 viewers why is this recommend ah because it knows you

yeah okay you're on you're unrecommended for you you have to go from high to low views where's the stupid filter thing you can tell i don't actually watch a lot of anything on twitch i literally only notice because of looking stuff up for wanshow reasons annoying how do i change the filter you know what i'm over it i don't care anymore the point is that between game developers kind of making sure that their games are going to run on potatoes. And between mainstream graphics cards actually having a reasonable amount of performance and the fact that you can't buy a graphics card for less than the price

of one of these entire laptops right now, these things are going to be absolutely killer. Like if I was NVIDIA, I would be extremely focused on delivering these kinds of products and getting these in the hands of gamers right now. And I'm sure that they are. Man, it's rough.

They could have easily just waited a year and not launched any more GPUs and probably still couldn't have kept up with the supply. So check this out. I'm over on eBay looking at sold listings. Here we go. Sold listings for RTX 3060s. Okay, this sold for $860, $990, $960. That can't be. That's a TI. That's a TI. So anywhere around $800 to $1,000 these cards are going for. So you could literally buy an entire gaming laptop with a 3050 or 3050 Ti in it for less than the price of a 3060 graphics card. Now, I'm really interested to see though if AMD is able

to shake things up. They've actually had some good GPUs lately and they say that we're going to see laptops based on their competing RX 6000 series by the end of June. We're also going to finally see an AMD competitor to NVIDIA's deep learning super sampling, FidelityFX super resolution. I have my doubts, honestly. AMD has a long and proud history of saying, hey, what about us? We've got feature parity.

And then the feature just not even being close to as good i mean their shadow play look alike the image quality looks nothing like shadow play it's just not even close to nvidia's nvanc encoder um so maybe they're taking the time maybe they're taking the time. Maybe they're cooking it up real good, making sure it's right. But I'm not going to get my hopes up too high. Something to note, by the way, speaking of DLSS, is that NVIDIA will have DLSS support on the 3050 series. And that might be something that you're actually going to need to hit 60 fps 1080p and

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someone's like linus why haven't you updated us on the GameStop situation? Honestly, guys, I don't even remember the login for my investment app anymore because there's no other option. I'm holding, ladies and gentlemen. Here's my portfolio. So since the day that you guys dared me to buy GameStop, I did hedge a little bit. So I didn't spend the entire 50K I committed on GameStop. I put 30 into GameStop, 10 into AMC,

which was another big meme stock at the time, and then 10 into BCRX, which was another recommendation on r slash WallStreetBets that I thought was a meme, but actually has turned out to be very profitable so overall uh yeah overall put in 50 000 us dollars like i said i did i have lost so far on gamestop uh eleven thousand seven hundred and ninety one dollars on amc i have lost one thousand one hundred and twenty seven dollars so it's dropped around 11%. And then on BCRX, it's actually up 18%

overall, but it's pretty volatile. So there you go. Overall, my portfolio is down $11,100. And my wife has not murdered me yet. So that's the update. And I plan to ride them into the ground. It just remains to be seen whether the ground is here on earth or on the moon it'll gonna ride them into some kind of ground okay so is there is there okay so if the ground is on the moon yes yes that means you would sell if it is high enough how high would that be oh wow i'd never actually given it any thought i mean okay i've talked to you about this sort of offline for me the whole gamestop thing was as not about trying to get rich it was about just being on the right side of history doing some wealth distribution redistribution

um you know you guys ended up providing a lot of the funds anyway. So it was like, okay, well, what do I have to lose? Here we go. So for me, it's more about some retail investor. Somewhere's gain is going to be my loss. So my intention is to just kind of hold it forever. Okay. There you go.

I just haven't really far away. Yeah. Yeah. It's a long way moon. We're talking like Titan, you know? Yeah. What is that? A Saturn moon is really far away. Yeah, yeah. It's a long way moon. We're talking like Titan, you know? Yeah. What is that? A Saturn moon?

Can't remember. Yeah, I think so. Saturn or... I think it's Saturn. Maybe Jupiter. I think it's Saturn though. Also, I... Oh, yeah.

So I was going to say, the reason that I don't, you know, talk about my investments much is because they don't really change. I do have some real estate investments. For example, the old office, um, I still own that. Um, like we, we, we bought it because we needed a place to work out of, and then we got kicked out of it. So, um, we can't, we can't work out of it anymore. So I was like, okay, well, we're going to do

something with it. So that's kind of an investment here in Vancouver. So I was like, okay, well, we're going to do something with it. So that's kind of an investment here in Vancouver. That's a pretty popular investment, real estate. I had someone ask, what about whatever happened to investing in Unraid slash Limetech? So I did talk to them a lot about it. At one point, we did have a small, small, small kind of stake in it. It was mostly just to kind of solidify the relationship there. I really like those guys.

We wanted to work together. It was easier than having cash change hands. Actually, not that long ago, or was it? No. Wow. No, it was a long time ago now that I think about it. I forget exactly when, but I basically just said like, look, you know, forget it. Uh, every, everything that,

you know, we ever did, just don't worry about it. Here's everything back. I just, I don't want my life complicated by this. Um, so I, I don't own anything and I didn't get anything for it. I just gave it back. Um, and we continue to promote it just because I didn't get anything for it. I just gave it back. And we continue to promote it just because I think it's really great software and I think they're really great guys. And I just didn't want that relationship complicated by what was ultimately an inconsequential amount of dollar value. It had this potential to seem like a huge conflict of interest when actually it was just not a lot of money and I didn't really see how that was worth the risk. And it's possible that they'll totally blow up

and I will have no regrets because I'd just be so happy for them to have just nothing but the best success. But I just didn't... My life is way simpler if i just don't own anything so i've got gamestop amc and some pharmaceutical company and that that's it that way my life you don't own anything basically no conflict of interest those are all like ride it into the dumpster fire so might as well seems like it wasn't actually a meme in hindsight it seems like that might have been actual good due diligence by someone on r slash wall street bets go figure are you riding

all of those hard into the ground or just gme i mean that was kind of the deal i guess i don't know man okay yeah i have a feeling there's a big chunk of the audience that just wouldn't care if i sold there was actually a day a vast majority maybe a month or so ago von when was that when i was up like on the 50 grand i was up like a thousand dollars i could have sold it immediately and like i i was there i was in the app i was like i could do this right now but i'm not going to and i didn't got my hands so i mean given that i had the opportunity i think it's kind of it's kind of passed yeah yeah i i somewhat doubt that's gonna happen again i just got signed out it's so annoying um in other news the apple versus epic are um well that's still that's still

going on there's a few things that we can take away from the trial this week. So Apple chose to deliberately not disclose an iPhone hack that affected 128 million users back in 2015. That's pretty interesting. Apparently this was done for logistical and technical reasons as opposed to moral ones. The breach came from legitimate app developers

that were using an illegitimate copy of Xcode, which was inserting malicious code into their apps. Okay. There was some discussion in the courtroom about Peely, an anthropomorphic banana. Specifically, the discussion was about whether bananas should wear clothes in court. Specifically the discussion was about whether bananas should wear clothes in court So

Which roles do you want to play And which ones should I play I'm down with Either I feel like we need a third person for this Yeah we kind of do Razz um i feel like we need a third person for this yeah we kind of do um razz so anyway this is uh this is a testimony from matthew weisinger at epics vp of marketing

so why don't i play the uh why don't why don't i play the Apple attorney And you can be Weisinger and the Epic attorney Yeah Sure yeah you can be the Epic attorney As well okay So we have in front of us A new set of images and What is this screen showing This is your matchmaking lobby

And we have a large yellow Banana here don't we in a tuxedo Yes that is peely and that's peely did you say yes and in fact in the tuxedo he's known as agent peely correct that is correct okay wait what hold on i think the transcript is a little screwed up here uh we thought it was since ah yes okay we thought it better to go no this is actually what this is actually what apple's attorney said we thought it better to go with the suit than the naked banana since we are

in federal court this morning now i'm speaking as the epic attorney A little digression. We talked about Peely, our banana. Remember that? Now I'm talking about Weisinger. I do. And there might have been an implication that to show Peely without a suit would have been inappropriate. Do you recall that? Yes.

Is there anything inappropriate about Peely without a suit? No, there is not. If we could just put on the screen a picture of peely is there anything inappropriate about peely without clothes it's just a banana ma'am is this real life this happened in court between like two of the biggest companies in america what the heck it's just a banana ma'am it is it's one of those things where in the context of a game okay a banana in a suit is just normal stuff right sure yeah um but it's kind of funny you know taking those things and having very

serious conversations about because because the thing is guys you got to remember it's it's inappropriate for your banana to not be wearing clothes every single thing you see in a game especially a game that gets developed on the kind of budget by the kind of team that Fortnite would be, for example. Anything you see in that game, as whimsical and silly as it might seem, guys, there's like focus groups and stuff. There's like executives like making decisions about, you know, oh, are we, you know, which way are we going? What's more appealing? What, this demographic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So to have the, I don't know, to have the skin peeled back

on the way that these corporations actually approach their business as fun as the end product is is just very amusing to me i really want it's just a banana to like be a thing it's just a banana ma'am yeah someone's like complaining about something like way way way too far just be like it's just a banana now don't worry about it according to mac rumors judge yvonne gonzalez rogers has hinted that she might aim for a compromise between the two companies wherein app store developers would be able to advertise other options for payment not done directly through apple this

wouldn't remove the power that apple has over payments on the ios platform but it would diminish it and offer options for many developers and companies. Personally, I would consider that to be a pretty solid recognition of the position of the monopolistic position that Apple is in. It's not what Epic is asking for. They want their own app store. But as a smaller app developer, that goes a long way towards what we actually wanted. That helps a ton, yeah. Because, I mean, even if you were a large, a really large developer, to be clear, because it's a lot of work. But you could do your own payments based on that logic that they just said.

So, I mean, that's a lot. As long as you can, like, to be clear, and I've had this, I've had this brought up before. I don't want to like completely block out Apple payments, but they'd have to be like more expensive or something because the cut is way higher. And we would have to have options for standard costs of other payments. So yeah, I don't know. It's getting there for sure. I don't know. It's getting there for sure. Several companies have requested the resealing of confidential documents that were included as evidence in the Epic versus Apple case. Gonzalez denied requests from Sony as the bell has already been rung and the information had already been reported on, but agreed to seal sensitive information between PayPal and Apple as it would competitively harm those companies.

She approved redactions requested by spotify samsung and nintendo but some of nintendo's documents remain available as they may be used in the trial man there has been so much interesting light shed by this by these court proceedings i am i i'm having a lot of fun with it it It's been like, just like a drama fest, basically. Yeah. Well, you guys did this, however long ago,

and this completely unrelated company did this thing. And you have a, you have a naked banana. Yeah. Well on the Epic game store, you guys have this other app that has a lot of lewd games in there in that game store. So are you not even moderating the content on your game store?

Oh man. I tweeted about this earlier this week but the whole the whole thing where apple has this corporate image that they maintain of being extremely prim and proper and prude is is very it's very a long time ago um you know this to to kind of to to have the attitude around particularly things like nudity that you know oh oh you know what pornography on an iphone impossible what that's yeah it's unthinkable um just stop guys like the time it's just a banana yeah it's just a banana ma'am um the time to pretend that people aren't doing unsavory things on their iphones in safari was what was it june 27 2007 when they launched the iphone one like i guarantee you and they've known this whole time within the within the first 10 iphones in the first 10 customers hands in the first 10 minutes somebody was looking at porn on it 10 minutes you think you'd guarantee well it

might have taken them a little while to like get out of the store or somewhere private you know what i mean yeah yeah um all right what else we got going on oh this was pretty big this week tesla says buy buy bitcoin very short-lived yeah wasn't around for very long yeah what was it like a few weeks or something like that i don't even remember let me figure it out the funniest thing about this to me is you know maybe this is just my dumb monkey smooth brain but i just can't really figure out if he's actually a little bit off the rails or if he's just memeing it seems seems like there's a very, very fine line. So Elon Musk tweeted that Tesla has suspended vehicle purchases using Bitcoin saying, we are concerned about rapidly increasing use of fossil fuels for Bitcoin mining and transactions, especially coal, which

has the worst emissions of any fuel. Cryptocurrency is a good idea on many levels and we believe it has a promising future, but this cannot come at great cost to the environment. But this is not new information. So hold on a second. Am I to believe, am I supposed to believe, Luke, that Elon Musk, who as far as I can tell, sleeps like a few hours a night based on how often he's up late tweeting or whatever. Elon Musk, who is who is deeply, deeply in tune with the crypto community, just figured out that mining is an environmental disaster? I think if I could give... Like, he should have known for sure. If this was a stance that he was going to take,

he should have known it already. That's what I would say. But it is something that gets brushed to the side completely by almost everyone that I know that's even vaguely interested in cryptocurrency. And a lot of the arguments brought around it is like, okay, but you can say that about practically anything. And that that's brought up by the miners themselves. And when you're bringing up this argument,

you are effectively talking about mining, right? And like almost every form of like uh financial generation whether that's making a product and selling it or whatever else has significant amount of waste involved absolutely and almost none of it is looked into except for cryptocurrency that being said i don't think that's true at all lots of it gets looked into there's a whole like hey we're generating a lot of e-waste. We should probably stop doing that movement. But I don't think it gets looked at in nearly the same light.

Well, remember too, though, that we're talking about producing an actual product that has presumably some kind of actual utility during its lifetime, whereas cryptocurrency is just this store of value. There is a lot of arguments that that store of value. There's a lot of arguments that that store of value has utility. Sure.

But it also doesn't have to consume nearly this kind of energy. Yes, and there are other ways. I'm not well enough versed in those other ways, I think. But there's proof of stake. There's proof of... What is it? Storage or something.

Storage? Proof of storage sounds too basic, but that might be it. And that's where you just have a hard drive. And as long as you don't put other stuff on the hard drive, they're like, sure, take this. Proof of space and time. Proof of space and time. Cool.

Nice. That sounds much more awesome. But yeah, there's a lot of it's it's weird that being said uh just like ethereum for example yeah i i read today uses more power than like some not even that small countries so it's like wow um but then like how do you compare that to other things i think one of the reasons why it's being scrutinized so much is it's something that can be measured more easily than a lot of other industries there's that old adage um if you want i don't remember exactly how it goes but like uh what gets measured gets managed it's something along those lines and like this is actually being measured where like almost

everything else is not being measured. Um, yeah, I don't know. So it's all over the place. There's been a fair, I guess what I'm trying to say is if it smells like 40 chest to me, because there's no way he didn't know this. There's no way that Elon, I mean, I'm putting words in his mouth. Maybe I'll regret it. I don't think he gives a honestly.

i'm putting words in his mouth maybe i'll forget it all the time i don't think he gives a honestly um i i think that his his flight plan is pretty clear and it's off this planet anyway um they're they're still planning to fund a satellite launch with dogecoin through spacex like get real this seems to be just a rare branding readjustment and absolutely nothing to do with the actual concern over the environmental impact of mining right like a lot of a lot of his a lot of his moves are just aggressively getting himself in the news and this sure as hell did it like yep i mean we're talking about it away yeah yep yep and i think we talked. Yep. Yep. And I think we talked about him starting to accept payment. I think we talked about Tesla buying it at all, which were technically two different points in time.

Yeah. Like he's, yeah. Or just manipulating crypto prices. I mean, we have no, it's so funny to me reading celebrity net worth articles, because as someone who has had a reasonable number of them written about him, they are not even close. And so as just like a kid, right, when I would read those, I'd be like, oh, yeah, what's Bill Gates net worth or whatever? Some of that we have public access to, especially if it's shares in publicly held companies, for example. But what

I've realized as I have made my own investments and become a public figure is that whoever's writing these articles has no access to the vast majority of this information and absolutely no way of knowing like at all there there it's just never been even close and so sorry one okay he may have massive holdings that we don't know about maybe maybe it's all just maybe it's all just like a game to fund whatever the next crazy experiment is a giant tentacle shaped boat that you ride across the sea really fast i i don't know who knows uh someone in the flow plane chat um oh where did it go they they said elon has never oh where did it go elon never manipulated markets dot dot dot are you actually stupid something that you need to understand is i'm trying to i'm trying to i'm trying to sorry you're so diplomatic luke

something that you need to understand is once you hit a certain form of influence you just influence things you manipulate things it happens. And you have to be very careful. And if he's like, whoa, this Dogecoin thing is super rad, that's going to manipulate that market. That is going to happen. It's not like he might not be going like, all right, today I'm going to totally inflate

this random coin for, because I just want to manipulate things. Like he might not be approaching things in that way, but it's happening regardless. All right, Bean says it was sarcasm. All right, that's good. You need a slash-ass dog because I have read dumber,

completely not sarcastic comments. And I'm reading that. I had to call you out. I'm sorry, I had to call you out. It's extremely difficult in the modern day to figure out what on the internet is sarcasm, what on the internet is not. That's totally fair.

So, yeah, I don't know what this is. One thing I did want to respond to, there's a Twitter user that responded saying, Elon, you realize that 75% of miners use renewable energy, right? And they got 52,000 likes. Okay, let's break that down. So number one is that while an estimated 75% of miners might use renewable energy as part of their mix, that doesn't mean that their facilities are being run 100% on clean energy.

And so it doesn't dismiss the possibility that a significant or even majority of mining is done using fossil fuels. A University of Cambridge study on proof of work cryptocurrency mining placed the estimated renewable share at 39% overall, dismissing the binary yes or no answer. And one third of Bitcoin's entire hashing power was wiped out temporarily in April when a coal mine in China was shut down due to a flood. So that tells us a little something something about that maybe some Bitcoin mining is being done using coal. Also, here's another thing. Just because these miners might be using renewable energy doesn't mean that that renewable energy couldn't have been used for something else that

now has to use fossil fuels. As long as we are burning any fossil fuels, as long as we are in a state where the world is in an energy crisis, which quite frankly it is, anytime you're burning fossil fuels, it is still bad. And so if you're using renewable energy to do something that is not necessary and wasteful that renewable energy could have been used for something else where they burn coal you're effectively burning coal sorry and i i will yeah and i will yet a bring yet again bring up the other argument that like there are absolute tons of other industries that also burn absolute tons of fossil fuels and coal and stuff there there's also there's been and i'm not saying this is the majority whatsoever there have been some cool projects from talking to ogbtc

um there's there's been some crazy stuff where like decommissioned uh dams have been like refurbished and put back into use and they've used that like the renewable energy of the river flowing to power these like big bitcoin farms like that kind of stuff is actually like super cool there's some really that we actually have reached out to do a tour of that's quite that's basically like that now to be clear um hydroelectric power has issues too and actually if we just like didn't have a dam there that would probably be better but yes carry on it's i yeah i'm not fully educated on what those problems are i just there there are some very cool engineering uh in the space, if you're interested. So to be clear, guys, I want to make sure that this is very crystal clear.

I'm not anti-crypto. Fundamentally, I believe in the concept of decentralized currency. I don't understand why I need someone's permission to, and I have to go through someone else's server to send my in-laws 10 bucks to be like, hey, thanks for picking up some milk and eggs from the grocery store for me. Like crypto makes a ton of sense to me. Well, OK, Luke, we're really lucky here, right? Because we have e-transfer used to be called email money transfer. I think now it's called Interac e-transfer.

But not every country has a super quick free way to send money between private citizens. And for that matter, not everyone wants that to be tracked. So there's a ton of reasons why other than fiat currency, other than cash, I would want to be able to quickly and easily send a few bucks to someone. The problem is just that Bitcoin is not the answer to that particular problem. And it has its own problems. So it's just, it's clear we need a different solution. And the main reason that I was sort of playing devil's advocate here was that it's obvious there's more to this game than Elon actually being concerned about the environmental impact

of Bitcoin. And there's also a lot more to the picture than people saying like, well, actually, um, actually Bitcoin is mined on renewable energy because there's an opportunity cost to that renewable energy being used for Bitcoin mining instead of something else. There's more to the story on both sides. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Sayer says, I believe in decentralized currency too, but people don't use most crypto as currency they treat it as a speculative investment and that's that's fair but the thing about an investment or a currency is that it all comes down to how you use it gold could easily be a currency tomorrow it just takes enough people to use it and if enough people

invest in current in crypto and enough people just have it and it gets cheap and convenient enough to transfer it, it can become a currency. It will just, it'll take time. So ultimately, I believe in the future, but I don't think that my crystal ball is operating well enough for me to actually get the answer right. So I just, I'm, I'm out other than just, um, other than we, we, like I said, we might actually, I think, I don't think I said this on the show, but I said on the pre-show, uh, we're mining on our, uh, our editing stations at night. And then we're using that as actually, Hey Luke, that's going to be the lounge fund. So when everyone's got their shots and we're able to actually have like Friday night gaming sessions, again, there's going to be the lounge fund. So when everyone's got their shots and we're able to actually have like

Friday night gaming sessions again, there's going to be free food powered by crypto. Wow. That's actually pretty cool. Yeah. I'm pretty excited. Nice. You get your jab yet?

Yes. Nice. When did you get your shot? And I'm, I'm back to, I can do this again. Nice. Nice.

Yeah. Me too. Which one did you get? You got Moderna? Yeah. The Dolly Parton one. Nice. Yeah, me too. Which one did you get? You got Moderna? Yeah. The Dolly Parton one. Nice. Nice.

Yeah. I would have taken anything. When I showed up, it didn't matter what they were administering that day. AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, Moderna. I didn't even care. I just wanted to get something in the arm, get another one. Yeah, get the poke, get the second poke later, get back to freaking normal.

But I got one of the mRNA ones as well. I got Pfizer. It was pretty good. I actually had very little reaction, but I've heard the second shot is worse. So we'll see how it goes. I was very, very mildly groggy. I might have even just had a bad sleep like it didn't really

seem to affect me almost at all and then my arm was just like the really weird type of soreness i was trying to explain it to one of the flow plane guys today right like feels like you have like really intense like you you went too hard post-workout muscle soreness but your muscles are all totally fine so you're gonna like pick something up and you expect it to hurt and then it doesn't it's just like what but yeah yeah if for anyone who hasn't gotten it yet i also found um that while it does you get that like soreness like oh i don't want to do this when you go to like lift your arm above your head or whatever yeah just do it every once in a while go slowly and it helps reduce the the pains i probably would have been fine except that literally the day i got the shot i went go-karting with my kids oh so i was like

um that was a real big mistake because the next day i i couldn't i couldn't lift my arm well yeah at all basically yikes yikes oh i'm i'm real yeah a lot of people are saying second shot pretty bad in the twitch chat uh apparently the trick is to keep the arm moving for a few hours after the shot i don't know we'll see how it goes here in canada we don't have enough doses so we're still waiting i think the period they've said now is four months yeah four months to get your second shot which is not really based on great science but we'll see how that goes hey good luck everyone uh man i just got signed out of the dog so stupid stop you're figuring that out um the there's there's something going on with folding and boink on the forum

remember boink on the forum as well this is just a link to the section of the forum which is boink and folding but I believe they're like doing something okay sweet so yeah check it out if you want to use your computing power for something pretty cool

this is pretty cool Amazon is fighting back against fake reviews. A couple of brands like Aki and Empow are being removed from the site. Wow. I actually did not know this. Products are either not present or listed as unavailable. Aki specifically was allegedly offering up to 100 US dollars per five five-star review and this is coming in the wake of a huge data breach that revealed companies were offering free product and even compensation for users writing positive reviews about their own products or even negative reviews about competitors products. Now to be clear there's nothing wrong with offering a

product in exchange for a review. In fact Amazon even has a program for that. What you are not allowed to do is offer a product in exchange for a review. In fact, Amazon even has a program for that. What you are not allowed to do is offer a product in exchange for a positive review. So an unsecured Elasticsearch server contained millions of records and it has since been contained, but seven gigs worth of data was found. Details for both vendors and recipients, as well as messages back and forth about the process, were revealed. So Amazon basically came out and said, we work hard to build a great experience for our customers and sellers and take action to protect them

from those that threaten their experience in our store. We have systems and processes to detect suspicious behavior and teams that investigate and take action quickly. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We take this seriously. So if you want to see a product that legitimately, okay, has really good ratings with absolutely no paid reviews whatsoever it's back in stock ladies and gentlemen the abcs of gaming on amazon.com

i actually don't know if it's in stock on.ca but we've got a few hundred units that's those are the ones that they allowed us to ship despite telling us that we should ship like 900 or whatever it was based on our run rate so it's probably not going to last long before we're going to have to restock it again but if you know someone that has a little a little one or has a little one coming and they could use a fun little book there's actually it warms my heart reading the the reviews from people who have bought it. So far, they're super cute. Just guys, don't leave a review if you didn't actually buy it.

The verified purchase ones are the only ones that I ever read anyway. So make sure that if you're going to leave a review, you actually buy it and read it. I don't want anything other than that on there. Don't waste everyone's time. But yeah, if you or someone you know is going to have a little

gamer soon or has a little gamer now go ahead and check it out it's got prime shipping so good stuff and i think that's pretty much it for the show today i've got one last little thing yes which maybe you can do some super chats while i pull it up sure someone someone asked in in floatplane chat um and i'm surprised they asked because i had already forgotten about it but i checked not that long ago uh and they asked about the hammer and there has been another update um yeah this was a bit ago so the the last update before this one was december 25th 2020 and i checked a few months after that and there was nothing so i was like is it finally over um no there's been a massive

update april 23rd 2021 there was a huge huge update hold on a second can you link me to it i don't think you can see it because it's on my Kickstarter. And I think, are the updates public? I actually don't know. Here, I will link it to you. They are. I've got it. Yeah, I've got it.

I've got it right now. Latest on the cold bar, the world's first hammer with a built-in crowbar. Oh my goodness. When did you back this? There's 92 updates on this stupid thing. I guess I backed it probably in like 2013 2012 late last year we finally solved the torque issue with gear and pauls we didn't want to proceed with new full prototype until we knew we had the torque we needed proceeded with a new

seventh gen prototype we got hit hard by covid we had had several delays. Oh, man. We ran into another snag that set us back. You're not going to want to read it all. It's so long. There's a video. There's two videos, I guess, pretty far down. It's really long. But there's a video there. All right.

All right. Here's the video. Okay. What are we even watching here? What am I looking at? Okay, it's a hammer, alright. What even? Okay. There it is.

It opened. It's not a good way to show joint strength. But, you know, that's a thing okay now it's apart now it's that okay it's a thing okay i mean hey maybe someday you will receive this hammer luke yep and all the projects that my dad wanted to do around the house will probably be done before he uh before he gets it the tool finally works properly apparently yeah and they even showed there's pictures near the bottom of the post where they have like here's the manufacturing facility that we're going to use here's the space that's going to be dedicated to coal bar like they the one thing i will give them is they keep moving there's technically been progress this whole time it just was supposed to show up eight years ago

and it's not here yet but technically it's continued to be progress estimated delivery was november 2013 oh no hold on august 2013 hey you guys you guys keep it up cool bar absolutely man i don't know i there's still people that show up in the comments of these updates and just like break them and i'm like dude what's the point it's been like yeah they're they could have just walked away at this point yeah it's like at this, I'm just like, I feel like I've almost got my money worth just from being able to track this for a decade. Watching the show.

It was only like $65. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Oh, we never talked about the pipeline shutdown. So ransomware group called DarkSide, $5 million in Bitcoin ransom. bitcoin ransom apparently colonial pipeline paid it in spite of actually having backups but it like would have been too slow to decrypt the backups or something and they said hey our goal is to make money not create problems for society so sorry about that but then they still took the ransom money. So clearly they didn't feel that bad.

People began panic buying fuel. A Hummer exploded after the owner loaded four canisters of gas in the back. There's been some legitimate hilarious photos. There's also been a lot of staged stuff. Like I saw a picture of somebody with a laundry basket that had holes in it all the way up. You've probably seen this before. And they're pretending to fill it up. That one was pretty funny.

There's other fake ones as well. But it's getting to that point again where like there are some real ones. So it's I think modern Internet. It's pretty tough to tell the satire from the real. Right. So, yeah, I don't know. New information is also beginning to show that the blame for the shutdown doesn't lie strictly with dark side um it could have still

been working but it was an inability to bill for the fuel flowing through the pipeline that actually caused them to shut it down so it was as much about protecting profits as it was about um not having the core functionality working. Anyway, let's go ahead and get through some viewer activity here. Daniel says, watching live to get you to tell me about the water bottle topper I keep seeing on your bottles in the videos.

Can I buy it on lttstore.com? Not yet. We are doing a narrow mouth, small screw cap, and then big screw cap, like two stage screw cap top. Right now, that same top is actually available on Amazon, I think for like 20 bucks.

But we're doing a bulk order and we're going to make it an add on item for, I think, five bucks or something like that. So if you have a V1 water bottle and you want to upgrade your top, if you buy anything else, then you can just tack it on. It shouldn't add anything to your shipping cost and it'll just cost a few dollars. Our cost on them is relatively low so we just got to make sure we're covering our cost and covering our handling fees and we just want to make sure that if people like a different kind of top they can get a different kind of top um inception says hey thanks luke for the titanfall 2 campaign recommendation hey yeah sure um it says would you car tech channel and you collab with doug

demuro i mean i can't see any reason not to uh collab with i mean anyone as cool as that but in terms of having a car channel i don't know so far we're going to do it on linus tech tips we'll see what happens all right thanks robert mail All right. Thanks, Robert Mail. Mark says, main differences between an MSI Z490 and Z590. If I recall correctly, Z590 uses the new LGA 1200 socket. So the whole difference, I guess. Or is Z490 LGA 1200 as well. And I can't even remember because it kind of hasn't mattered for a while. Sorry, they're both LGA 1200. Oh, shut up, Siri. Sorry, they're both LGA 1200. It depends. I think some of the Z490 boards

probably aren't validated for PCI Express Gen 4. the z590 ones are going to be better equipped with like newer io so you might be more likely to find high speed uh network connectivity on them and stuff in terms of performance i wouldn't really expect anything but what do i know i forgot which one was which socket uh sam asks will floatplane ever support background play? So I can have my screen off. How hard is that? I do believe that's a goal. I don't actually know. Jaden is in the chat.

So maybe Jaden can speak to that. I have Jaden on definitely not that right now, I will say. And that is, as far as my understanding goes, not in development. So yeah, maybe. This is interesting uh the same person who offered to create um photos for our products on last when show apparently did it and made a video about it so uh all right uh i i don't know man uh i don't know i think i put them in touch with nick i i just leave it to nick uh ted tedgevere says love your work i want to build a pc but it's hard to get a graphics card will you sell one of yours extra we're doing it through the verified gamer program just to make sure that everyone gets a fair crack at it.

Johnny says, won the surprise 3080 PC giveaway in October. Massive thanks to you and Luke for being a source of entertainment over the last eight years. My life has changed a lot and you guys always bring a sense of calm. Cheers from the UK. Hey, thanks, Johnny.

Heck yeah. The Life of Patricio says, can the Mac Address channel take a look at the mac pro 5.1 and talk about why it's still used today i don't know if that's really jonathan's jam but it's a really interesting idea what just happened oh no the page reloaded and probably all those all the super chats are gone this is so stupid how are all the super chats for the show not just there well there's a couple other ones administrator says hello dear linus my dear balls itch and i have used many creams to take care of

the issue will you ever provide a product at ltd that can resolve this i would recommend going to your local pharmacy and finding a treatment there. Talk to your doctor. This is really not the time or place for that sort of message. Qwerty says, will floatplane ever switch from a separate OG tier to an OG discount so that OGs have the option to do 4k? No, that's how we get you. Sorry. If you want the new features, you're going to have to say goodbye to your $3, not actually profitable tier. That was our compromise, okay?

You guys signed on for a craptastic early experience and we offered you a proportionately craptastic, not profitable price and everyone won. But now that we actually have a pretty good experience on this site we would ask that you maybe um pay for enough to cover it and the og the og tier is still a pretty good experience yeah it's still a pretty good experience 1080p on floatplane is pretty high bit rate and not just on the video but also on the audio so there you go there you go uh beam 710 three dollar gang the floatplane chat is just getting spammed with people who

have the floatplane emote yeah yeah that's good that's good all right i think that's it for the show today thank you so much for you guys being here with us especially thanks to Anthony, Denis and Joseph and Odin's Inferno and Alexander you guys are sending super chats after we already finished reading super chats so thank you very much

for doing that but it's too late and we will see you guys again next week same bad time same bad channel bye rolling that intro Thanks for watching!