The WAN Show - Intel GPUs get RAY TRACING? - WAN Show May 3, 2019

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Yeah! Welcome to the WAN Show. Come on, welcome in, guys. I'm manning the computer today. I've never done it before. I'm very excited. Yeah. We've got Ubisoft is killing game keys.

It's an interesting title for that subject. We'll talk about that soon facebook the future is private everyone everyone believes that a hundred percent that's that's solid yeah you want to do the next year and well we have two more and uh the intel z gpu it supports ray tracing sort of sort of one of them does we'll get to it I mean yeah I guess it definitely does but only one of them yeah also we're not sure how we feel about this

one but I guess we'll talk about it later Epic Games buys Psyonix I almost said Psyonix which is the Rocket League developers yeah they're just out here trying to screw up the ecosystem you know I don't know how I don't know what I think about this. I'm very confused. Anyways...

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Thank you. You're doing great. I feel like I'm dying. I believe in you. Persevere. Floatplane launched its new transcoding and uploading thing this week, which means pretty much nothing for all of you. But it means a lot for creators,

and it means a lot for being able to bring more creators onto the platform. Also maybe talk about that a little bit later on. But now, Ubisoft killing Game Keys? Yes. So I guess there's a reasoning for this is that I mean, what's the problem with Game Keys? So click on

my Luke screen thing. Luke screen. Boom. You got it. That's how you do the show okay so ubisoft is trying to prevent illegal resales of its games with a new method of selling digital pc game keys called silent key activation or ska not to be confused with the music, which is not a legal game for news sales. Yeah. Or that. I haven't personally heard of this method, but apparently you go to an external website,

you pick a game key, you pay them, you sign with your Uplay account, and you have the game. Yes. Which is a little bit funky. There's been external game stores for a long time where you can get a key and just in the, when you're done checking out, you either get email the key or it just shows up right there and you just copy paste it, throw it in the thing. You're good. This is a new thing.

And I guess there's been sort of legal issues with that where, you know, some resellers can manage to get their hands on game keys through perhaps illicit means. And so this is a way to prevent that and kind of make it make sure everything is kosher and, you know, buy the book. Yeah. So instead of, like, getting an actual key and getting that through a website, you go to a site and then you have to sign into your account and then it does what that would do. So it, like, does authentication through the website instead of just throwing keys all over the place. Right.

Because I know when the throwing keys all over the place thing sort of started pretty early on, people were buying keys in countries where the games were more heavily discounted due to the average income of that country. And then they were selling them to countries where your income was much higher. Right. So there was countries that would, like, get a discount because, like, you know what, it's kind of hard to afford these things in certain areas. So we'll let it be cheaper for you.

And then people buy tons of keys there and resell them. It's a little shady. Yeah. There's been a lot of shadiness around that department. So this method is supposed to make it harder for illegal game key redistributors to operate. make it harder for illegal game key redistributors to operate. And the problem that I saw with it when I was reading about it was that this now requires you to sign in to whatever site that you are getting the key from with your Ubisoft account.

So then they have... It's probably an external authentication. I don't remember the exact name for it right now because I'm blasted. But it's probably, not on alcohol, on lack of sleep. But it's probably a, like, external sign-on thing. It's probably okay. Right. It's probably okay?

It's probably okay. Because I don't know anything about the development side. So all I can do is say, that sounds kind of crazy. It's like how you can use, like, Steam to sign into the Linus Tech Tips forum. Which I don't do. Right. But you could. I don't either, to be fair.

Yeah, I have my own account. But you would still have your own account. You're just using it for authentication. Yeah, but I don't want somebody to be able to buy games on my Steam account through the Linus Tech Tips forum, which I know you would do if you had the chance. Okay, so I think, so what you're saying is, my voice keeps cracking. I'm a wreck right now. No, I don't know if it's actually an issue.

But what you're saying, I think, I'm going to try to interpret for a second. Interpret for me. Is that you're worried that you log in and authenticate, and then anyone could go on that website at any time and buy games in the future. And let me clarify that that's not necessarily my concern, but that is what I read that some people were having an issue with. That seems valid if you don't have to log in, or you don't have to authenticate every time.

Right. Because as has been proven time and time and time and time again, every time. Right. Because as has been proven time and time and time and time again, websites will be vulnerable and things will be stored

in terrible plain text very commonly all over the place. Oh, yes. Yeah. I think that happens like once a month. Facebook does that a lot.

Yeah. With all of their different services. Yeah. It's great. So, 10 digital game distributors are doing it right now, including Fanatical and GamersGate.

Not GamerGate. GamersGate. What? GamersGate is a... I've never heard of it, but apparently it's a game distributor. That's amazing. While Greenman Gaming have their own equivalent tech in place. That's what that says.

I don't know exactly what that means. Okay. They probably had a similar setup already done. But, yeah, I mean, I guess I'm okay with it. I forgot the thing was on my screen. It is on your screen. So, yeah, sorry. Go back to main.

I'll go back to main. Basically, at the beginning of an article. I have the power. I have the mouse. At the beginning of an article, we jump to one of the host screens really quick, just so people can see the article, and then we jump back to us. Oh! You guys don't want to see it? They don't want to see it?

I feel like that's important information. You know what? Part of it. I'm a Techland guy, okay? I'm not the Wayan Show guy. I respect your workflow here, okay? I'll stay over here. I don't know if I I really call it a workflow. It's just like something we fell on top of after doing it for a while.

I don't think there's any flow or plan actually put into it. Gotcha. But yeah, it's interesting. I'm not against it. I've always thought those websites were pretty kind of sketch. Yeah. I mean, I bought some game keys from resellers, but every time I do it. I'm kind of like

Feel a little bad. You know I doing something bad. It's like this is discounted a ridiculous amount There's got to be a reason for it, but also It's cheap. It's also discounted a ridiculous amount so here we go Yeah, so if there's a way for me to like be assured that this is like more legit I think that's a good thing yeah to like be assured that this is like more legit i think that's a good thing yeah because like the big thing is like um making sure that you know a morally ambiguous sort of situation is kind of streamlined less morally ambiguous okay well should we move on i mean i don't know i don't really have any other thoughts about that do you guys have thoughts i can yeah um yeah the i'm not used to be have to being able to look at the chat i can't do it i

can't multitask can you multitask yeah i can't at all yeah um so one random thing i'm going to say for floatplane viewers uh we're we're testing a new Cloudflare thing today, and it sounds like it maybe isn't working that great. So if it's super bad, I'm sorry the test isn't working out. Maybe temporarily jump over elsewhere. Next up, though, we're going to do Facebook. We're going to do it. We're going to do Facebook. So Facebook had their F8 developer conference. I'm sorry. Oh, jeez. Sorry, Flowplane guys. So the F8 developer conference, this was kind of one of the big first times that Mark Zuckerberg was,

oh, yep, we're going to Luke's screen. Boom. The future is private. So Mark Zuckerberg wrote a blog post a couple of weeks ago or a month ago or something like that, talking about like, all right, guys, you know what? Facebook has had a lot of these privacy gaffes up till now, but you know what? Now we're committed to privacy. It's real.

No more boosts. We're doing it this time. The future is private. And I mean, there hasn't really been a horrible major privacy gaffe since he did that. But it's more like some news still kind of trickles out every once in a while that's like, oh, yeah, back in 2016, they were doing this when they said they weren't. You know, like storing people's passwords in a plain text file. Wait, didn't that happen like literally weeks ago with Instagram? I don't remember because I deal with this news all the time,

but I don't remember whether that was like, oh, we were just storing them like last week. Go back to the main thing. Go back to the main thing. See, you should have just done this. We thought this would be a fun idea for me to control at this time, but no. So, yeah, we're going to look it up.il 22nd news article yeah yeah yeah but i think that might have been about them storing them previously we'll find out oh i see what you mean yeah that would make sense

let's see stored past tense well yeah i don't think they would say that when it's still currently that's true That's true. You can't really trust them saying that we're not doing it now. That's that's a fair point They don't seem to specify it For okay long or a time look I meant I'm as anti Facebook as the next guy. Okay? Yeah, I'm not trying to do You use it all anymore. I I have not used Facebook next guy okay yeah I'm not trying to use it all anymore I I have not used Facebook for years I mean other than to like but like for specific functions yeah but like you have an account messenger somebody yeah I have an

account yeah yeah so like yeah I think the biggest problem with you not having count you know I do I know I do okay I tried I think I've deleted my account three times really keeps cracking every time I deleted I've deleted my account three times. Really? My voice keeps cracking. Every time I delete it, I come back. And it's never because I want to, and I always begrudgingly come back. It's usually because I need to contact someone, and the yellow page isn't really a thing anymore. But you're not going on there and posting a status.

I don't post. I don't do that posting thing. I don't post. I use Messenger, and I use a couple of the groups. Right. I see I was I think I was in a group and then we kind of like I kind of like stopped going to the like I didn't really have a reason to be in the Facebook group anymore and so I'm out of that group and that was like my last vestige connection to it. And so now I'm like... I've even got it set up so that I have an extension on, I believe it's Chrome and Firefox, where if I go to Facebook, it deletes the entire feed and just puts like a

random quote there so that there is no feed in the middle and there's just your messenger and your groups. That's it. Oh, yeah. It's great. Well, actually, that segues really well into what we're talking about here. At the FA developer conference, one of the things that they focused on was they said we're redesigning Facebook around groups,

events, and kind of features meant to help people meet up in real life. there's like a meet people function because they were doing some dating thing as well yeah there's dating so maybe we should just like go through the notes and see if there's something here yeah so at facebook's f8 conference mark zuckerberg pledged to transform the company's approach to privacy while revealing major changes to instagram and whatsapp he acknowledged that the social media behemoths had much work to do to rebuild trust with

the global community. I know we don't exactly have the strongest reputation. Very true. So they're going to roll out a redesigned site that's simpler, faster, more immersive, and puts communities at the center, like I said. So app users will notice immediate changes with a new desktop site expected in the next few months. And they're going to make it easier to switch between public spaces and private groups where users can engage with groups of people who share your interests.

So, yeah, I totally track with that because I don't go on there for like social media use. Yeah, no. I don't go on there to like see what are my friends posting. I go on there if I like have a specific function to do So do you think this is them accepting that their audience is older? Yeah, maybe Yeah, I actually saw It an interesting take on it

Which was that because they're focusing more around groups and events it might like Make the whole kind of we call it bubble like the okay yeah yeah yeah you call that uh well I get my brain I think it works I think there's like another word that people normally put with it I don't remember but bubble yeah but like yeah like bubble so only interact with the people that you want to interact with yeah you know yeah yeah which is fine i guess but like yeah it's an interesting take on it so then you were saying

the dating thing yeah there's also a dating thing i think it's called secret crush and one of the ways that it works is well i guess the way that it works is you select a certain amount of people that you want to be your secret crush and then they get a notification saying that someone added them as a secret crush but they don't know who yeah and then if they happen to add you back out of nowhere then then it tells each other yeah it's like tinder yeah where if you like but there's no like swiping it's just your friends on facebook right but that i mean i feel like it's even more interesting because it's like someone you already know, and you're like, I wouldn't mind like dating that person.

So we all know that one dude who's just going to secret crush every single person they're interested in on Facebook. Yeah, if one of them secret crushes him back. Like, yes, I did it. I mean, I'm married, but if I was... It's an interesting concept. If I was single, this would be, like, pretty interesting. I'd be like, oh, I didn't know Ashley likes me. But you wouldn't unless you flagged everyone on your list.

Well, if I... Yeah, I'd have to flag them. Ashley. Yeah. Yeah. And, okay, one more interesting thing from the Facebook thing. The hiding likes. Yeah. So Instagram, they're doing this in Canada, actually, first.

Actually, Canada is an extremely common test bed for mobile stuff. Oh, yeah? Because we're extremely similar to Americans, but there's a lot less of us. Right. So they don't have to screw it up. If you screw it all up, it's like, eh, they're just Canadians. And if it is annoying, then we're like, it's okay. It's fine. Thanks for the beta.

Yeah. I appreciate it. So I actually saw some people posted about this as well. Some people are already experiencing it. Yeah. It's being rolled out. Yeah. So if you are a regular user, you can't see,

you won't be able to see the number of likes that someone else's post has. But you will be able to see how many likes your post has, but you have to click through to see it. So, like, just in the regular feed, it'll just be, like, liked by this person and others, and you won't see how many people have liked it. So is this like a... Why?

Like, is this a mental health move? Yeah, I think so. Okay. I think that... And I think it's a good move, to be honest. Because I think that... I think it might be bad for business reasons. It might be good for, like...

Yeah. The mental health of the world reasons. Well, as a business, do you need the public to see how many likes you got on one of your ads? Well, no. So I don't necessarily think so. But, oh, yeah, I know, because you could still tell the business who's hiring you to wear their bathing suit that you got X amount of views. Yeah. So you have access to like analytics

for you but i think it would be harder for those businesses that want to advertise that way to shop around because you can't externally see right yeah you'd have to like if you wanted to do business for with with an influencer you'd have to to ask them for their analytics or something. Yeah, ahead of time. And just hope that they're decently sized? Well, it doesn't say anything about followers, so they'll be able to see how many people have. So they just won't know how active. Yeah.

Benefit for older accounts. From a mental health perspective, I feel like it's good for people to post things to social media and then not, like, have to worry about getting, like, just dopamine rush. Is this still going to notify you? If someone likes? I don't know. I don't know. Because I feel like that's going to have quite a draw, too. I didn't see anything about that.

Oh, man. Okay. Should we... Should we prioritize this one or this one? I think we got to do the title. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. All right.

Intel Z GPU to support ray tracing. Yes. So at FMX, is that a... I'll go to your thing. Oh, good job. See, I'm on top of it. Yeah. So Intel announced at... Do you know what FMX is?

I've never heard of that before. I don't know what it stands for, but I've heard of it, yeah. So Intel announced that their Z GPU architecture will support hardware acceleration of ray tracing. Now, this is for data center GPUs primarily. They haven't made any announcements about their gaming graphics cards that they have coming out eventually.

They haven't said anything about that. But we know... I mean, I guess it's encouraging to know that at the architectural level, it supports that. Yeah. Or at least that they're even, like, thinking about it, which isn't too surprising, but having it confirm is nice. That's cool.

James wrote that this puts the architecture on par with Turing as far as DXR goes and makes it superior to solutions that rely on software or GPGPU acceleration. So it's just basically saying it's hardware acceleration is better than software acceleration. So it's just basically saying it's hardware acceleration is better than software acceleration. Yeah, yeah. Race racing for big budget movies like Pixar films

is done traditionally on CPUs because they are 100% accurate. Unfortunately, they are also orders of magnitude slower. So, I mean, this is yet another one of these entries in the saga of Intel GPUs that I think that we're all trying to get excited about it.

We're like, oh, how great would it be if we had another competitor in the space other than AMD and NVIDIA? Because no offense, AMD isn't doing that great right now in that space. It's wonderful that AMD is doing fantastic in the CPU side of things. But it would be kind of nice if, like AMD had to dual compete for a long time, but didn't have the money or the resources to really do it. Right.

And Intel kind of does. So if it ends up being Intel that has to dual compete, and AMD's more like, yeah, CPUs are great. That's morally better. I think that would make more sense. The strong should take the burden for the weak. AMD's been, you know, AMD, you've been trying so hard and we love you for that.

You've been pushing. We love you for it. I'm really happy that they've got a winner right now. Their CPUs are doing awesome. Heck yeah. Which is really cool. Ryzen 3000 generation coming soon. Good stuff. We got a navi gpu

oh supposed to come out by the end of 2019 not seven nanometers confident well personally uh the the rumors and leaks and stuff that i saw um indicate that it's going to be like a replacement for polaris instead of vega so it's going to be like a Replacement for Polaris instead of Vega so it's gonna be like they're a lower power Yeah, which kind of sucks because like I've been like following this like all these Navi news and stuff And I'm like oh, it's gonna be it's gonna take out like Turing or Pascal or whatever I'm like nope. It's gonna be low power stuff again. Not a yeah. Yeah, that's what it looks like anyway That's really exciting though. I I have a little bit of a hard time getting properly actually excited about like non, like things that are definitely not for consumers.

There's stuff where it's like, it's enterprise stuff, but you can get your hands on it. It's great. This is like data center hardware. So it's like, okay, that's cool. That's definitely cool in a like, hey, technology and another company entering the space and all that kind of stuff kind of way. But it's not super likely that a bunch of people

that I will interact with will get their hands on it, which is less cool. And then if it ends up being a rumor that this is coming to consumer stuff, it'll also be hard for me to personally get excited about until I'm like, yes, it is actually definitely coming. Well, you're talking about ray tracing on Intel GPUs. Yeah.

See, this is what we know. Dedicated hardware, I mean. Well, we don't, okay, we don't know this, but the PlayStation 5 is supposed to have ray tracing. That's what the system architect said. He's like, it's based on an AMD GPU and it's going to support ray tracing. So I'm like, if the PS5 does ray tracing, Intel better freaking do it.

I saw your TechLinked thing with that sort of reaction. That was perfect. I like that a lot. I forget what I did. It was like the ray tracing console master race? No. Oh, yeah. That doesn't sound right. Console master race, PC. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That doesn't sound right. Console master race, PC plebs?

What? Have you done tech news reporting through a, what would you even call that? Through a console lens? No. No, but like for not an iteration of a specific type, like for not an iteration of a specific type? Like not the Xbox One X,

not the Xbox One S, but the original Xbox One? Oh, yeah. Because this is a much larger step than we got from the S to the X or from the One to the S. Yeah, I think when I first started at NCIX, I think like... Was PS4 launching then?

Yeah, that was like, so that was 2013. Yeah, because I know it was around that line, but I just wasn't sure. I think they launched like that winter. So like, I think one of the first Netlink dailies we did was about the Xbox One and PS4 launching. Oh, crazy. Okay, that's kind of cool.

Yeah. It gets a little wild because right when the consoles first launched They usually actually like really competitive right and everything gets a little Has a challenger and then a couple years go by it's like it's like oh, it's the ps4 different the ps4 is way more It's fun though, I actually really enjoy new console launches because even It's I mean it's cool to it's a little bit harder to judge Consoles compared to each other so that's kind of fun

Because you have to do a lot of like more deeper dives because not as easy to like swap a component out and test different things But then it's also fun to see the PC space have really solid competition on terms of price of performance Right as the new console just drops and you're like fun to see the PC space have really solid competition on terms of price and performance as the new console just drops and you're like, ooh. This is going to be a really interesting console generation launch because I feel like... GPUs are also really expensive right now. So is RAM.

GPUs are expensive, but also the gaming ecosystem and the environment is kind of like streaming is becoming a big thing and the Xbox One X and the PS4 Pro are like some of the most like PC-like consoles you've ever seen. And then with ray tracing coming out now and as far as I know both of the new consoles are gonna have keyboard and mouse support. Yeah, they already do I think.

Yeah. So like why wouldn't they still have that? So they have ray tracing, strong graphics, very like PC-like architecture, keyboard and mouse support, right? They're just like prepackaged. Yeah, well prepatch computers you plug into your TV right that only play games Well, and I think like I hope I've hoped every time we report on something that Microsoft is doing like with the Xbox ecosystem And PC gaming like they've said so many times, they're like, we care about PC gamers and we want it. You know, we want you to use the Xbox Live app on your PC

instead of Discord or whatever. Like, come on guys, we're adding Spotify support to the game bar on Windows 10, like come on. So like, I keep, every time they make an announcement like this, I'm like, oh, do they actually care? Like, are they actually gonna try to kind of unify these, like, Xbox and PC gaming ecosystems? Like, unify as in, like, you buy an Xbox

and it basically acts as a PC, like a pre-built gaming PC or something, you know? Yeah, yeah. It would be cool if you could do that. All I want... Running Excel on your Xbox, that'll be the day. Yeah, all I wanted all this time is Halo on PC. It's coming, man.

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I need to like re-watch the first one. Oh. There's two. There's two. See, it's been, I think I watched the first one when I was like a little kid. Yeah.

But I haven't like seen it since. So all I know is like, Bill, Ted, or excellent. Yeah. People are going to hate me. I'm sorry, guys. Look, I have a cursory knowledge of Bill and Ted, all right? I'm pretty excited, which probably makes me old, but whatever. Should we talk about LTX now, or should we talk about the thing you really love so much?

I went all the way up there because I was so excited, but we can talk about LTX. That's a good idea. Well, there's some updates. I don't know if we talked about the updates last time. What updates are there? See those updates? They're bolded. Oh!

They're bolded, guys. Oh! I don't know if we talked about this okay updates ltx 2019 just in case you didn't know which would be surprising dreamhack and linus media group are coming together and making this awesome convention slash huge land party in vancouver at the vancouver convention center you should check it out uhite is not linked here. That's epic. I'm pretty sure if you search LTX 2019 it'll come up. It should. I think the SEO is pretty solid.

They're organizing panels for the main stage so they're wondering what you guys want to see discussed. Hit them up with ideas on the forum or on Twitter at LTX Expo. And yes, the X and Expo are redundant, but don't worry about that. I'm upset. As of this morning, so there's probably less now, there's only 16 BYOC tickets left.

Biox. Biox. If you want a biox, you better biox on over to the site and get a ticket, buddy. Like, actually, because they're going to be gone. Snazzy Q from Snazzy Labs.

That's super cool. Quinn Nelson. Are also going to be at LTX. And Hardworking X. Dimitri and Eber. Yeah. That's so cool. I haven't seen those guys.

Well, I've never met Quinn, but I sort of know Dimitri and Eber. That's exciting. Have you met them? You said you sort of know. I sort of know. Like, I've met them. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're super cool.

I mean, I wouldn't say that we talk all the time. Oh. I think Dimitri and I, we have each other on Facebook. That's fun. So there's like a, you know. You guys get invited to each other's like Super Bowl parties? No, because he lives way the heck away. Yeah, that would be hard.

Yeah. Yeah. You could do telepresence. Just like put a little thing beside me. Hey, you're going to watch the Super Bowl with me. He's like, I have stuff to do. Stay there. It's like really late for you.

Stay in the computer. You live in there. You don't get to sleep. But yeah, come to LTX, guys. It's going to be great. July 27th and 28th. Is that right? That is correct. Sweet. I'm super excited. My whole float plane team is coming in locally. Heck yeah, guys. It's going to be great. July 27th and 28th. Is that right? That is correct.

Sweet. I'm super excited. My whole floatplane team is coming in locally. Heck yeah, dude. Yeah, we're doing the meetup at that time. So we're going to hang out after LTX, and everyone's going to meet up for LTX. It's going to be great. You know what would be really cool is if we had an actual floatplane.

And I don't know why I'm suggesting that, because I know it's not going to happen. Really? You haven't seen this? Oh, like the computer thing? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that'll be fun. But there's also, the Vancouver Convention Center can technically receive flow planes. So I was running with this idea for, the problem is it was just, there's no way the ROI on this would ever work. But I wanted Linus and I to fly into the convention on a float plane. Riding on top of the wig.

Speaking of crazy ideas, Epic Games buys some lines. Ah, here we go. I was waiting for a good segue. Okay, so. I've been wanting to talk about this, too, for a while. Yeah. Because I have feelings. Me, too.

I don't know what they are. I caught feelings over this. Yeah. You want to hit me up? Oh, I'll hit you up, dude. Because I know all about the streaming setup. And this is how you do it. Boom.

Boom. Done. Psyonix is joining the Epic family. Oh, that's so great. So they didn't just buy a game. They didn't just buy a game. They didn't just buy out the rights to platform a game. Yep.

They bought a whole studio. Bought the whole thing. So now, I'll temper the initial, like, kind of outrage, like, by the fact that apparently the people who made Psyonix, this is what I read in a thing, the people who started Psyonix kind of already know a lot of the people at Epic Games, and they, like, have these, like, connections. So this isn't, like, a big giant company coming in and brute forcing, you know, the company to join them with money. EA has done that a number of times.

Right. Although it might be that. I don't know. But that's some evidence to the contrary. Yeah. So the big problem for me about this was that the initial announcement was kind of like vague they're like we're buying psionics rocket league is coming to the store um and in the meantime they said rocket league will

be supported on steam and thereafter uh steam users can look forward to continued support. But there's nothing like concrete that says like everyone on Steam will get the same updates, there will be cross platform support, like you can play multiplayer still if you buy the game on Epic Game Store will you still be able to play cross platform with Steam users

like. There is an editor's note at the bottom of the article which says we want to clarify something for you. Which, like, this isn't good enough to be super clear. But it says, we wanted to clarify for you after today's news. Rocket League is and remains available on Steam. Anyone who owns Rocket League through Steam can still play it and can look forward to continued support.

I know exactly what you just said. For how long? You know? Yeah. And, like does I'm sure it does but this would be the time to clarify a lot better than it's like two-line thing at the bottom of an article does support include like feature updates which it almost certainly does but they should spell that out. And I think this is the problem. They should leave nothing up to question. This is one of the big problems that a lot of people, you know, caught up in this Steam versus Epic Game Store fight have with Epic Game Store

is that they've kind of been, like, kind of wishy-washy about people's concerns regarding, oh, there's not many features on Epic Game Store. And, you know, how long are these timed exclusives are they always exclusives? Are you gonna keep doing this and like stealing games from other stores? Are you gonna kind of stop eventually? Like what's what's going on guys? One thing that I thought was interesting was that Tim Sweeney the CEO of Epic Games Tweeted recently. I don't have the tweet here, but he tweeted back to us. Oh, yeah

tweeted recently, I don't have the tweet here, but he tweeted recently that if Steam, I don't know if you saw this, if Steam committed to matching their developer revenue share, so Valve takes a 30% cut, I believe? It's something pretty beefy. Yeah. And Epic Games only takes a 12% cut. Okay. I wasn't sure. I thought it was 18, but you're probably right.

It might be 18. I forget. I'm pretty sure it's 88% to the developers. 12. Yeah, yeah. You're right. Right. So if they're like, if Steam matches our revenue sharing model, we will stop with the exclusives.

We'll stop it immediately and back off. That's what Tim Sweeney said on Twitter. And I think he could say that because he knows that Valve isn't going to do that. Because to me, I see that and I'm kind of like, oh, all right, well, then all Valve has to do is just kind of match their revenue share. But I think Valve has too many things going on now

You I've been talking a lot. What are your feelings? I'm so conflicted. Yeah, we were talking about this a little bit before the show I've tried to not think about this since I heard about it because I knew we're gonna talk about on the show Even that thing that you just mentioned with the revenue share thing, I've got tons of feelings about that too, because Steam is kind of this old, lethargic giant at this point. Everyone in the PC community, as far as I can tell, loves them. But realistically, they've just kind of existed forever and not done a ton for quite a while. And I think that's what's so interesting. They've made an obscene amount of money and not done a ton for quite a while. And I think that's what's so interesting.

Just made an obscene amount of money and not done a lot with it. About this whole situation is that I feel like Valve has kind of grown a bit complacent. Yeah. Like, you know, you have EA and Ubisoft and Activision Blizzard making their own launchers. And Bethesda. But they're not really making an attempt to kind of come at Steam. They're just like, hey, our games are on our platform.

And a lot of times, our games are also on Steam. You know, Ubisoft sometimes still releases Ubisoft games on Steam. Yeah. But Epic Game Store is coming out here and being like, we need to shake this up. And I feel like it's, it's kind of conflicting because on the one hand, you know,

you know that Steam has kind of become complacent. And that they have all these really cool features and they've been there since the beginning, you know, basically. And like they do, to be clear, they have way better features than Epic Games Store. For sure. Like it's a better situation over there.

It's just, they've been around forever. And a lot of these features are pretty old, and some of the newer features that come out are not that substantial. Mm, right. Like, it... It definitely feels like Valve does the minimum viable... Yeah. ...thing that they need to do in order to not make people horribly mad at them.

Yeah. You know? And I think this is really well illustrated by the fact that we don't have Half-Life 3 yet. Yes. And I'm upset. Because they didn't need to. Because, yeah, we make, you know, like 30% of what everybody else does. Yeah, yeah.

So, whatever. We just make tons of money. Yeah, we don't need to. Let's not worry about it. They're like, let's make another Dota card game. Add some hats. I want to get over it. I want to get over Half-Life 3.

But here's the thing. Oh, this leads well into another thing. Did you see the Valve Index? Yeah. So like, because they have a flagship VR game apparently coming out with the Index. Yeah. But what does that mean?'s the worst because it might be half-life vr it could be really cool but it won't be but then and if it was half-life vr

is it actually gonna be any good i'm upset luke it might be good i'm so upset i don't know i didn't get an index i don't know how that makes me feel what do you mean i'm very conflicted order it well it sold out like immediately you're the vr guy. Yeah, but it was just gone. Yeah, I think in 15 or 20 minutes it sold out. Yeah. Yeah. I was busy. I mean... I'll probably, I mean, I'll probably get it eventually, but like... Yeah, we'll probably, I mean... I suspect Linus Meteor Group will get one. Hopefully. I'll try that out. Hopefully. But anyways, I, like, get one i'll try that out hopefully but anyways i like uh i think it's just so frustrating cross platform thing with psionics and roga league will be fine my reasons for that is because they support

such a wide variety of cross platform already um they support cross platform friends lists as far as i know there was a fairly recent update that psionics does that yes that's what i meant there was a fairly recent update that stepped away from the steam friends list Which is maybe not that surprising anymore I was actually pretty happy they did because maybe they did it because I kind of think they did because I think they were prepping Themselves for that and they I think they should have leaned on that more in their article thing It should be like yes teams gonna be supported. We separated the friends list from the steam layer. So we could work on We separated the friends list from the Steam layer so we could work on the Epic Games Store. But if you notice, you're on Steam and it's working, so we made sure that's fine. Like that probably would have been a good idea.

Yeah. But I think it'll keep working for everyone. I love to watch... I only play the ice hockey mode because I'm weird. But I love to watch like various Rocket League creators. Sunless Khan is amazing. Sunless Khan! Oh, I was gonna ask you if you watched him. He's great.

I also watch like Lethemir and a bunch of other guys. I don't know those guys. He's more on the competitive side of things. Sunless Khan's just a beautiful human being. He's got a smooth voice. He does. Sultry. Rocket League essays, if you could imagine that it's

possible but anyways i love watching all that kind of stuff even though i don't play uh with the soccer ball i just play ice hockey at a fairly high level i might say that's that's um um but this this does bother me because i've been playing Rocket League relatively seriously for years. And it's scary when something you care about a lot is getting potentially touched. What I'm hoping for is Steam side of things. I mean, it's going to leave the Steam store. But outside of that, I hope it just doesn't get affected. And I hope that it going to the Epic Games store and it being in the news because of this buyout and all that kind of stuff is going to boom its popularity.

Right. Because while there's definitely still a strong community around Rocket League, it could use a little bit. It's been out for quite a while. That's one of the strong points of this acquisition. One of the few rays of... See, this is the thing. It looks so depressing until you kind of look

into it and you're kind of like, it's okay, there's that, and then it'll probably be fine. Yeah, like Epic Games has this obscene amount of money, somehow. I guess they just have buckets of money to pay off people to be exclusives, but that money is going to help

Psyonix kind of like inject some more life into their esports uh yeah ambitions which is good that would that would be fantastic i love rocket league esports it's one of my favorite things to watch esports wise i used to love watching starcraft oh yeah and i'd stay up till weird hours in the morning and watch gsl and watch live korean games and i was super into it and then star Starcraft kinda died a little bit. And then I got, I'm kind of into ROG League. I mostly like watching the YouTube videos.

But I have enjoyed watching Squishy Muffins and all those crazy guys. But I don't know, I hope it goes well. I wish them the best even though it makes me a little salty. I'm not happy that it's leaving Steam. Because if one of my friends wants to get into it, it's usually the path of least resistance to be able to get them into it on Steam.

If I have to start getting people to install the Epic Games Launcher, that is going to be a problem. I will say that because this particular instance isn't as, to me it doesn't seem as horrible of a proposition because Rocket League, Psyonix has already psionics has already done the work to cross platform get that cross platform friends list working so like if they're like oh i want to buy rocket league and then you know they just go to the rocket league

site and the way they do that is by downloading the launcher and they do that yeah and then they just come in and they tell you their username and then you add them within the game if that still works and all the cross platform stuff works fine, it's like, okay sweet, but like Epic Games needs to make sure that they do this for every game that they do this to, you know? And that's the fear I think. Bit of a kicker.

Another thing that I wanna consider here is Rocket League, again, made quite a while ago, still doing pretty good, but, and I mean, their season passes, hopefully those are doing well. I play the game so freaking much that I buy the season pass because I'm like, my dollar per hour in this game right now is absurd, you guys can take a little bit more of my money. That's fair, I'll vote with my wallet in the direction

that most people don't, I think, and try to support the thing because I believe in the direction that most people don't, I think, and try to support the thing because I believe in the thing. But I can't imagine they're doing amazing. Psyonix? Yeah. So the ingest of money is going to hopefully increase long-term support for the game, which we've kind of discussed already.

But it's also probably just good for the creators. I haven't heard of Psyonix working on necessarily anything else. I could be ignorant here, but I think this is kind of all they got this is their this is their thing one trick pony yeah so i mean trick rocket car if it sometimes if you want the thing to survive you got to do some stuff that's a little uncomfortable so i don't know ain't that the truth yeah and i you know what i love about Rocket League 2 is that it seems like it doesn't have mechanics. It has mechanics that you don't see in any other game. It's not like it's a MOBA, you know, where there are 18 different MOBAs that all are the same.

Yeah. Rocket League is Rocket League. There is no other game like it. So if we can, if that, like, ecosystem can survive through an influx of cash from evil Tim Sweeney, you know? If Darth Vader came to you and said, hey, I got a lot

of money. That's Darth Vader. I got a lot of money, bud. And it'll feed your family for a year. And your family's starving would you take it such a weird analogy but i love it um i yeah i don't know very very interesting thing yeah do we have a are we talking about different things now? No, I think we're sort of done. Here's one last question.

All right. If Half-Life 3 is a VR game... Was exclusive to the Epic Store. The Epic Store. Sorry, continue. Epic Games buys the rights to Half-Life. Oh, my gosh, can you imagine? They just dropped so much money.

That would be such an interesting alternate universe proposition. They buy the rights to Half-Life, we get Half-Life 3, the thing that Steam and Valve fans have been wanting for years. And they've got worked up to hate Epic Games. They're like, oh, they're the worst, we hate them so much. And they're like, but worked up to hate epic games. They're like oh, they're the worst Oh, we hate them so much, and they're like But we have half-life 3 It's not even it's not even that they like bought the rights to it. They just funded the entire project Yeah, yeah, and it gets made and it's good. Yeah. Yeah

What would you do it'd be interesting to see how you do? Yeah, sorry. What was your question that something with the index? um I What did you do? Yeah. Sorry, what was your question, though? Something with the index? I got sidetracked. You had such a... You changed it into something... I didn't know where I was going with it. I just diverted the heck out of that train. That was brilliant. Would you?

Would you buy it? The index. If the Epic Games store had Half-Life 3 as an exclusive. I think you have to. Yeah. Like, depending... Obviously, I don't think exclusive. I think you have to. Yeah. Like, depending, obviously, I don't think every human on the planet has to buy it. But, like, I think I would have to. Just the amount of pure curiosity, I would have to do it.

You know, I don't think it's going to be, like, I really want it to be, but I don't think it's going to be Half-Life 3. I don't think the flagship VR game that they're going to release is Half-Life 3. Or even in the Half-Life universe. I think it could be really cool if it was a portal thing. Probably or like a Left 4 Dead 3 thing or whatever. Left 4 Dead VR. But I think that the honestly I think that for Valve the Half-Life ship has sailed. I don't think we'll ever get it. And but this is so annoying because every time this news comes up I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, news comes up, I'm like, oh, maybe please And you know, they like that and hate it at the same time Yeah, because I know Gabe Newell is like kind of openly said like this is annoying

But at the same time Gabe Newell has said Half-Life is annoying. Well, like the community constantly being like hey Give us Half-Life 3. We want that thing that you said you were working on and they're definitely going to give us and then you gave up on. Yeah. Oh, shut up about that. Yeah, leave me alone. I'm rolling in all my money. I love money. Yeah.

All my money, more money! He's like rolling on the floor at his house. Oh. I'm, I'm Mr. Gabe Newell. I'm the god of PC gaming. Please me. Oh my goodness. I think with that, the show's probably over. That's it.

Yeah. How can you top that? I don't think I can. Yeah. Sorry, I got carried away. No, that was perfect. This isn't tech-linked. Okay, guys? You get to have a little bit of free form. Is there an

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