The WAN Show - Intel Slashes Prices!! - WAN Show Oct 25, 2019

Episode Date: October 26, 2019

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Yeah, five years later. All right. So why don't we jump right into our first topic of the day. Intel is rumored to be slashing the pricing in half of their 9th Gen Skylake X processors. So this is a report from ComputerBase.de that claims that Intel is planning to cut pricing of their older 9th gen Skylake X processors. So this is a report from computerbase.de that claims that Intel is planning to cut pricing of their older 9th gen Skylake processors in half. So let's go ahead and fire up our source here. WCCF Tech is reporting on this apparently.

And I don't have the chart, so I'm just gonna pull up their article. Ba da da da da. I mean. There's a chart in there, there it is. Honestly, this kinda makes sense to me given that, given that we already have a pretty good idea of what pricing of the 10 series is going to be. And in order for the 10 series to make any, or in order for them to move their remaining stock of 9 series, given the much lower pricing of their 10 series, there was no way that they could just leave the pricing where it was. So here we go. The 9800X. So that's the eight core 16 thread processor that makes absolutely

no sense whatsoever. Now that we have an eight core chip on the consumer platform is dropping to just 360 euros. I mean, that's not bad if you can pick up a used motherboard or something. The 9820X, so there's your 10 cores dropping from $889 to approximately 520 euros. Now bear in mind guys that these prices are not directly comparable dollar to dollar, but you also can't just do a straight currency conversion and go- Which would be 576 US dollars by the way.

Yeah, oh, so that's on the 520 euros. just do a straight currency conversion and go which would be 576 us dollars by the way yeah uh oh so that's on the uh 520 years yeah you can't necessarily just do a straight currency conversion because a lot of the time there's regional pricing for these products and there's taxes that are included or are not included um so probably what would end up happening is that 520 euros is going to end up being closer to like 520 dollars as much as that is a gigantic fu to european customers in many cases like honestly if i was a phone manufacturer or like a graphics card maker or whatever else and i had figured out that the market will bear a higher overall income for me, like if I just charge the same price, but like in Great Britain pounds or euros, wouldn't I just send all my

allocation there for a product that I can't produce enough of? Maybe, but it just depends if there's enough demand there compared to what you're producing. I guess that's fair. I mean, I know that there have been cases where, especially at launch on a highly constrained product, like a graphics card, for instance, where a lot of the time, like going back to my days at NCIX, some new hot graphics card, like the GTX 480. Get it? Hot? Actually, no one was buying those um so but something people actually wanted like let's say the gtx 580 that was that was a much more significant launch it'll come out and you often case it oftentimes don't know how many cards

you're getting until a day or two before the card actually launches. So, it's madness honestly, because you haven't seen how many of these are gonna move. As a retailer, you don't have any. You're not testing them and finding out if they're any good. You don't even know pricing sometimes. So a manufacturer like EVGA, their expectation, if you wanna get any cards at all,

is you basically just hand them a blank PO. Here's a purchase order for however many you can send at whatever price it is. And we'll try our best to sell it. So in the case now, with these people who have the Skylake stuff, if they bought all these things, they bought all of it for a certain price and then intel is like actually it's half now is intel gonna subsidize yes so the way that that typically works is they would do something called a pos rebate a point of sale rebate so you don't

just get a big fat check to write down all of the inventory that you have in your warehouse because, oh, I don't know, I guess that would just be too sensible. So instead, what you get is you generate a sell-through report that you send back to, depending on what tier of reseller you are, you might send it back directly to Intel and they will send you, they'll send you a check, like quarterly or monthly or whatever the case may be,

based on your sell through. So what friggin' difference that makes, I'm not sure. And then as for the inventory that's not in Intel's warehouse, Intel will just mark it down themselves on anything they're still holding. And then the retailer will either claim it back through Intel or through a distributor. So if you're a lower tier reseller,

you're probably claiming it back through distributor. If you're at the very bottom of the barrel, there's probably no protection for you whatsoever. But if you're a distributor, then a lot of the time what'll happen is Intel will provide them with what's called a sell-through rebate, which is very, very similar.

And as they sell through to the retailer at that lower price, they will apply for their rebate back to Intel. So does the time that it takes for you to get your money increase the farther from Intel you are? Not necessarily, as long as you've got a direct relationship. So the thing is, Intel doesn't sell directly to any retailers, as far as I'm aware, even if you're a Newegg.

My understanding is that you still buy through a D&H or Cinex, ASI, Ingram Micro, one of those kinds of companies. And that is so that, at least this is my understanding, Intel, from a logistics standpoint, doesn't have to be shipping directly to too many different locations. Now, Dell, to my knowledge, does get direct shipments from Intel, but that's different. That's on the OEM side of the business. So I forget what your question was. You answered it. Okay, cool. So the other rumor is that this is going to extend

beyond just Skylake. That makes sense. I guess we haven't really talked through some of the other price drops. So 9980XE is dropping back down to what it should have been in the first place. So it's around 2000 US dollars. It's dropping all the way down to 950 euro,

which used to be what an extreme edition costs until Intel was like, ha ha, AMD will never catch up. Ha ha ha ha. And then charged $2,000 for their top end gaming chip. And then one generation later, okay, it's grand now. Turns out we can sell it for $1,000.

That was just, you know what, there's a glitch in the system. I just don't get it. Sounds like you get it. Yeah, this is a very unusual move for them. It's more typical for them to just leave old processors to trickle out at the rate that they do, or rather than lowering the MSRP, do small sell-through rebates,

or, and this is even more common than that, do bundle rebates. So the thing is, Intel has a bunch of chips to move, but their partners also have not just motherboards. Because you've got to remember, the way that someone like an MSI or ASUS or a Gigabyte stocks motherboards is not necessarily as completed units inside boxes. They stock motherboard pieces. inside boxes. They stock motherboard pieces. So Gigabyte might have, let's say, 35,000 motherboards in stock, but they might have another 150,000 chipsets for the motherboards

that they would make to go with these CPUs. So Intel has to support a variety of different partners as they're moving an old product out of their inventory. So they've got to support a variety of different partners as they're moving an old product out of their inventory. So they've gotta support the retailers with the aforementioned POS rebates. They've gotta support their distributors with their sell-through rebates. They've gotta support the OEMs in whatever way they do those.

I suspect they get really deep discounts so that they can blow out old systems in much the same way. And then they've gotta support the guys who make the supporting pieces, because it's not going to do you any good to provide a POS rebate on this processor if no motherboard exists for anyone to plug it into. Who would buy it? So they're going to go out and they're going to say, okay, guys, how many chipsets do you have in stock?

We're going to EOL this at such and such a time. Okay, yeah, we can provide you with, and you'd be surprised how laughable the discounts that get provided a lot of the time are. Like, we'll provide you with a $2.80, you know, sell-through rebate. But then, if there's also a sell-through rebate on the CPU, well, then the retailer takes that board and that CPU,

and okay, I've got $3, okay, $2.80 was probably a little low, but, like, I've got $3 or $4 on the CPU, well, then the retailer takes that board and that CPU. And okay, I've got $3, okay, $280 was probably a little low, but like I've got $3 or $4 on this motherboard. And so Intel might kick in some, the motherboard vendor might kick in some just to get these moving. I've got another $5 or $10 on the CPU. If I take $5 out of my margin, because my handling costs for two items that I'm shipping out the door at once versus one item and one item are actually much less than double or are about half. They're a little over half. So if I kick in a couple dollars of my margin in my handling costs, okay, now we're working with something. Now we can do, okay, buy these together and get 20 bucks off or buy these

together and get a free game or whatever these together and get um you know a free game or whatever the case may be so you can get really creative with the way that you can leverage these discounts to push stuff out and then typically you just don't discount the new stuff at all so naturally for the you know let's face it five to eight percent performance improvement generation over generation that we've been dealing with over the last I mean not the last couple years yay AMD competition but before that you end up with naturally about a 5 to 10% difference in price or maybe even a little bit more but then typically the new platform comes with

some new features like you know more high-speed USB ports more SATA ports or whatever it is that the kids care about for this particular generation. So Intel doesn't normally slash prices on older products like that. Not like this. So are they only doing it now because the goalposts are moving so fast?

Absolutely, I think. With the competition. So they're doing it because AMD is forcing them to completely rethink their pricing for 10th Gen. And then, feel free to join us whenever you want, Luke. So they're completely rethinking their pricing stack for 10th gen because that just ain't gonna fly with AMD putting pressure on them the way that they are.

And now, well that traditional strategy of having these priced, you know, five or 10% lower than the new one, well that ain't gonna work with ten dollar discounts So you're gonna have to go at it quite a bit harder So yeah, their hand has absolutely been forced and I for one welcome our new AMD overlords Do you think the rumors that this is gonna affect more than just this just sky like you think that's pretty credible last prices on a lot I

Don't know the thing is on the on the mainstream platform shoot i forget i forget what are we on like coffee lake refresh at this point i i can't remember what kind of lake we're on right now i'm sorry pardon me but they're uh they're ninth gen desktop consumer platform chips they're not as far out to lunch compared to amd's offerings oh wow okay i wanted to just see you later then i smashed the light very very awkward yeah and what no put it back and the chair's like plugged into the wall because it's rgb absolutely brilliant ladies and gentlemen that James tribe everyone I Noticed you were missing your product placement, so I thought what is this for it's your product placement my product placement. Yeah

What is what is this? Do you have any context for this is that not a topic this week did that not make it in the dog rtx? 2070 Super? Did you not hear about that? Oh, we're gonna have to talk about it. There's an additional topic today guys! Okay, why don't we jump right into it? Yeah. I am so sorry, I have not heard about this. You've been a little bit under a rock today.

Was this today? Was it yesterday? Today? Yeah, it's kinda like... Alright. It's a big nothing burger. Alright, alright, alright. Yeah, but we talk about this kind of stuff. See, I thought the big news

from this week... This is a thing we do. Hold on a second. Speaking of ways that we make money. I thought the big news this week was that the Swacket is back in stock.

Oh, dang! Oh, dang! Oh, dang! Oh, dang. Did you get one of these? No. A Swacket? Is it way at the bottom?

Yes, I did. I take that back. Is it way at the bottom? Yes, I did. I take that back. Is it wet at the bottom? Oh, it is. It's way at the bottom of the page, too. No, it's not. Oh, well, it is on here. Oh, I might not have refreshed it. Yeah, you need to refresh it.

The Swacket is back! It's a sweater. It's a jacket. It is perfect for fall, and it has orange accents. It's the opposite. It is kind of getting to the temperature where I should probably pull it back out. I actually wear it every morning when I drop the kids off at school and stuff because it's like perfect. When I first got it, it was still a little summery.

So it was like a little too warm. Not great summer wear. Yeah. It's not great summer wear. But now it's kind of getting to the, yeah, yeah. It's kind of the opposite of the stealth hoodie. It's pretty flashy. It's got reflective stripes of the opposite of the stealth hoodie. It's pretty it's pretty flashy It's got reflective stripes on the front in the back. It's got

Obnoxious I don't think it's super flashy, but it's not obnoxious. It's an important, you know important All right, so that was an obnoxious interruption there for me pimping the merch Why don't you go ahead and move us on to our next topic here? Yeah, a bunch of size of the t-shirts are back in stock. I think everything but Constellation, is that right? And TechLinked. Uh, speaking of Constellation, okay, you're gonna love this. Is Constellation still your favorite design?

Uh, of the shirts? Yeah. It's definitely up there. Okay. Yeah. We are experimenting. Hold on, no, I need your full and undivided attention for this. Okay, okay, okay.

We are experimenting with glow-in-the-dark ink for Constellation. So the constellations would actually glow in the dark. But, like, the mountain range? Because there's a mountain range, right? I don't think we'd have the mountain glow. Yeah, so that would say... Yeah, just the stars. That's pretty sick, actually.

Okay, we have no idea. So our printer actually did a test one for me and I'm supposed to wear it and wash it and make sure that it holds up okay because we have no idea if the ink is like decent quality. So guys, this is not a guarantee at all. And in

fact, if you wanted a glow in the dark constellation shirt, honestly, it would probably be more time effective to just order a constellation shirt and then get a glow-in-the-dark. There's not that many stars. But it's something that I saw as an idea, and I was like, holy crap, that would be amazing. So our printer is experimenting with it, and we're going to try and do it.

Pimpin' the elemental. Yeah, that design is dead. All right. There's smalls left. There's smalls still? There you go. So tell me about whatever is going on here. There was a Reddit thread posted by a random new account with one post

talking about how YouTubers are getting paid by companies for things that they're not disclosing. This happens every once in a blue moon. The main thing they were pointing at was boxes in the background being a paid product placement spot. I'm actually kind of surprised. I don't think LTT came. No, that has no traction whatsoever.

No. So I have the tech power-up article, which is where this kind of got a little gnarly. But I'm surprised line of executives didn't come up because of the old WAN show set. What did we have on the old WAN? I thought... The whole set was just products.

The whole thing. I love how we dodged this completely. That was so unprofessionally done. No one's going to... No one would believe we got paid to do that. Just like slowly fell over over a year and just no one fixed it. Well, no. That was because they weren't paying their bills on time.

They slowly got jenged from the pile. When someone at the bottom of the pile didn't pay the bill, well, everyone on top just fell. Yeah, because we were trying to make them pressure each other. That's right. We were trying to make sure that they were holding each other accountable. Yeah. Accountable to pay us our money for Wanshow.

We'll do that later. Yeah. So I actually don't know how Tweekdown presented this, and they might have presented this just fine. Okay, well, sure, what the hey. Let's view some ads, and also maybe there will be an article by going on Tweakdown.com. This is not as bad as some review sites that we have visited.

NVIDIA and YouTube shenanigans. Shenanigans. Wow. That adds pretty deep. The mods at slash NVIDIA and slash AMD refuse to let this be discussed openly. I'm not sure why exactly, as no reason was given. I hope we can foster a fair conversation here.

Thank you, hopefully. I registered a new Reddit account today so I could post this with anonymity. I am scared that NVIDIA will punish me if I talked about this under my YouTube channel. What are you talking about? Oh, hey, I did get mentioned. Not LTT big. My channel is pretty big. I think this is something the community needs to know. I'm a YouTuber that makes video reviews on computer hardware, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I've worked, okay. Nvidia has been pushing us YouTubers for

Nvidia products. I work with, so you could find someone who works with ASRock because there's not that many people that do it. Hey, I did a video a couple weeks ago with ASRock stuff in it. Oh, wow. Yeah. They have an AMD board. How long was the time before that? Or am I just totally off my rocker? No, no.

I've been out of it. ASRock Rack, which ASRock R rack actually gets upset when you call them asrock even though they're just the server division of asrock okay okay anyway asrock rack we work with from time to time because they do really cool itx okay uh server boards with like big sockets i just very rarely see big sockets you know thick sockets thickckets. Okay, so back to this. Robust sockets. NVIDIA has been pushing us YouTubers for NVIDIA products to have a presence in AMD and Intel review videos that we put up. I have verified this is happening with a lot of channels. Nobody wants to talk about it publicly because they're afraid of NVIDIA cutting them off from hardware and drivers.

Or they're afraid they will lose NVIDIA sponsorship and advertising money. Yes, NVIDIA pays a lot of YouTube channels for exposure. This started when the first Vega 7 cards were coming out, and now NVIDIA, particularly NVPR, names removed. Both press relations from employees are pushing this very hard since RX 5700 cards were released. I really wanted YouTubers to rehash, to distract. Wait, what?

NVIDIA pushed comparing AMD with AMD and keeping their cards out of the mix for benchmarks. NVIDIA is also asking YouTubers to do other things. NVIDIA asked me and others to make sure we always had NVIDIA branding visible in AMD and Intel coverage videos. What are you even talking about? Yeah, so this is awesome. And then I think, I don't know how much traction this got, but it's some crazy dude on Reddit,

so whatever. What got interesting is that, I don't know what Tweaktown wrote about it. Sorry, I didn't read it. But TechPowerUp picked it up. TechPowerUp wrote an entire article going not like, oh, hey, because I saw on the tweak down thing. It was like a conspiracy whatever Yeah, and he's just reporting on a reddit thread that maybe blew up a little bit and that's fine

TechPowerUp was like this happened Nvidia is paying people Blah blah blah blah blah. Here's an example and they put it's been changed now now It's just the YouTube not happy face here Let me see if I can share your screen But it used to be a picture of Steve from gamers Nexus Standing on a set with hardware in the background and they're like here is an example of it happening I Can tell you for a fact that

Steve would disclose any sponsorship. Okay, so you know what? I'm going to help you all out, okay? So you want to talk about tech reviewers that cover this kind of stuff, right? What the deuce is... hold on a second okay I think this is the right number there's more to this story but I'm trying to get one moment please I just have to take I have to place a quick phone call if you'll excuse me please I said excuse me I just don't just don't show the number i'm not i'm not gonna show the

number i'm not an idiot i mean the amount of things that get leaked that time when we leaked our payroll oh god okay okay oh conspiracy confirmed paul is not picking up Oh God, okay. Okay. Oh Conspiracy confirmed Paul is not picking up He doesn't want to talk about it. All right. Well, no, maybe he's just not around right now. It's fine I'll try so I'll try someone else. I'll try someone else. It's a nice try. Okay. All right Just what if you just call Steve? No, there's a video up on I'll try Steve. I'll try Steve. No, no. Because he has a video up on it. Yeah, yeah. I'll try Steve. I'll try Steve. Okay.

It says stay on the line while your call is being completed. I'm trying Jay. I'm trying Jay. While you're calling, if you want, just throw my screen up. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Go ahead and, yeah. So Steve addressed this on his Twitter.

I also like that our own Anthony Young. Wait. Jay is not picking up either. They've all fled town. They're leaving the country. Wow. Okay, let's try Kyle. Okay.

Actually, you know what? No, screw that guy. Let's try Lyle. Go ahead. Sorry. So you can see on his Twitter, he's addressing it directly. I demanded immediate removal of his likeness from the content and a statement apologizing,

which is like more than fair. He also followed up saying that they did just that, which I thought was also more than fair. And then they posted their own video, which was hilarious and kind of fun to watch, that is here and I recommend even Lyle isn't picking up and I thought he had integrity maybe maybe Lyle is a is a trapped somewhere maybe my bat phone is just not working I

can't get in touch with anybody I can't I don't want to show this maybe no one wants to talk to me says and I'm I'm going to play this and then go. Well, then why are you standing there? You seem like you want to talk to me. I have to. What's up? Can you look at your teams? Oh, look at my teams. Oh, wait. Oh, hold on.

Kyle's calling back. No, I'm sorry. I can't look at my teams right now. Sir. Go. Yeah, so I think you really owe the community an explanation, sir. Okay. Are you live streaming right now?

Also, sorry, I seem to have misdialed. I had really wanted to talk to Lyle. Oh, well, he's not here right now. Okay, no problem. I'll settle for Kyle. So, how much money is NVIDIA paying you for the product placement of their boxes in the back of your videos,

sir? Jesus Christ. Are you working for AMD again? Wait, hold on a second. Have you not heard about this either? No, I haven't. Oh, excellent. Fill me in, please. Oh, excellent.

Okay, so here you go, guys. Giant conspiracy theory. Tech YouTubers are getting paid by nvidia to put nvidia branding in like randomly in the backs of their videos but they don't know about it wait wait can you tell me more and where where do i sign up that sounds awesome i'm super on board it's about time they started an initiative like that i've been waiting for this shit. Super easy.

Just put a box in the back and just automatically make money. I know, right? Thanks, Kyle. I had just wanted to confirm that you were also not getting checks, and so I don't have to feel bad about not getting my checks in the mail for having my NVIDIA box here on the WAN show today. Really appreciate it. Oh, since I've got you on the line,

should we tease that upcoming collab? Yeah, that'd be awesome. Oh, hold on here, let me switch back to the thing. So we're actually doing something with Kyle. This is the first you're hearing about it, I think, Luke. So I saw a picture that led me to believe something might be going on, but that's about it. So it's not actually gonna be me or Kyle that are featured prominently in the video,

even though it's a collab between Linus Tech Tips and Bitwit, which is what he calls his channel for whatever reason. So instead, it's going to be a build-off between Wifey Sauce and my wife. Oh man. Except I think we had talked about it and the stipulation was the only resources they can each use for how to build a PC are their own husband's videos.

Videos? Do you even have a how to build a PC guide? Maybe not a real new one. I could rectify that in the next month. Oh wow, so we can make updated versions from now until the shoot. Oh, you guys haven't shot it yet. Well, I mean, we can't just,

we can't, I mean, you can't have a stipulation that we can't create video content. I mean, we- You should make a video called Two Avant. have a stipulation that we can't create video content. I mean, we... You should make a video called To Yvonne. And just have it be, like, the guide for her. I bet you would actually do really well. Probably. How to

build this PC, step by step. Do a live stream of me building a PC in front of YPSOP? Okay, that's definitely cheating. Alright, anyway, so there you go, guys. You cheating. All right. Anyway, so there you go, guys.

You heard it here first. Thanks, Kyle. Talk to you later. All right. See you guys. Bye. All right. So confirmed, Kyle is also not getting paid.

Oh, wait. He's just calling everyone. He's answering his team saying now. So yeah, I would watch, go watch Gamers Nexus' video because he's great, they're great, and that is like a positive interaction for this. Do not go to TechPowerUp's article. Don't do that.

Just watch the coverage of it done by YouTubers because that's the real kick in the kick in the nanners. Hey. How could you have been so dishonest with me, Mr. Burke? I don't know which part. Guys, this is Steven Burke from Gamers Nexus here, and you told me...

Wait, I have a special guest too. Okay, say hi. Hello, let's do some server stuff. Hi, Wendell. Hey, Wendell. Oh, sick, dude. Okay, so both of you. Single, single.

Look, both of you, since I have you on the line, how can you have been so dishonest with me? I thought you told me that we were going to just, if we got caught, we were going to admit the NVIDIA sponsorship scandal. And here you are, Steve, doubling down on that they're not paying you. Why can't you just be honest with yourself and the community? Well, I was kind of hoping you would admit it first, and then we would just run you over with the bus.

That was my plan. Yeah, but now you've gone and you've raised the profile of this issue. You know, now you're putting me, you're putting me in a very difficult position here. Don't draw Luke into this. He works for Floatplane now. He has nothing.

Don't let this sully his good name. But I hear Luke's laugh. I don't mean to your employees, Linus. Why don't you let them speak? It's all about Linus all the time. I even made sure that we had our NVIDIA product placement for the show today. And now I'm the one getting in trouble. Oh, boy.

I can't see what sort of lovecraftian horror that you've done, but I'm sure it's amazing. All right, so you know what? I think there is something good that can come out of all of this, though, and that's that, look, if NVIDIA is going to take a bunch of PR flack and we're going to take a bunch of flack from the community over these sponsorship dollars, then

hey, at least we can use it as leverage to get them to finally actually spend some money with YouTubers and throw some sponsors. Yeah. I like how some of the people that are complaining about this also have boxes in the background.

Do you think we can give you a check for that? Because I don't know how that works like i got in the box it wasn't a check it's almost it's like i need to see what's in it no you put the boxes in the back on first and then you build them later that's how it works all right thanks i was just i i felt like we owed it to our wancho audience. We've been being quite quite tongue-in-cheek throughout this segment But I felt like we owed it to our WAN show audience to utilize our YouTuber tech youtuber connections to demonstrate that whatever this article is talking about and I have No idea who it could possibly be but supposedly it's big tech

I don't think it's a real person. I have conspiracy theories as well but I don't think it's a YouTuber. Oh there's no way it's a YouTuber because supposedly they know other tech YouTubers and like I don't think I'm connected directly with everyone but my cell phone book is pretty full of tech youtubers And I'm pretty damn sure that all of them have as much trouble extracting money from Nvidia for sponsorship as I do So Yeah and Linus on a separate note We just got finished placing you in a featured video at Wendell

We didn't require you here we used AI to recreate you Jeff Scott finished placing you in a featured video with Wendell. We didn't require you here. We used AI to recreate you. Really? Yeah, it's really advanced. Did you guys deep fake me? It's not quite that good. Is it a bad Photoshop job of, like, one of our thumbnails?

It's not a bad Photoshop job of like one of our thumbnails? It's not a bad Photoshop job. It is a Photoshop job. But we got some LTT merch in there for you. So you'll have the product placement there. So does that mean you get checks from that? Yeah, when do I get the check? When do you get the check? Yeah. Especially if it's your hoodie.

I'll send you the check for the hoodie when you send me the check for the ModMats. All right? Deal? No, never mind. And given how much bigger my channel is, I think you owe me a much bigger check. Yeah, you know

you're breaking up line. Sorry, sorry, what's that Steve? Okay, sorry, yeah, okay, bye. Bye, guys. So yeah, that's a thing. Go watch Gamers Nexus' video on it. And go watch Wendell's videos that are completely unrelated because he's great. Yeah.

So just to be very clear, we actually have worked with NVIDIA a handful of times in the last couple of years. You guys also worked with them recently. Yeah. So we did a video with them I think about a year, a year and a half ago. Holiday 20. It was either holiday 2017 or 2018. Talking about 4K gaming and how bottom line is NVIDIA's top tier card is the only way to game at 4K, which it was. We did something with them in the interim.

Was there anything in between? Was that sponsored? Oh, yeah. Yes, it was. Are you sure? Yep, yep, yep. And then we did a G-Sync piece with them about six months ago. And then more recently, we did the big thing that we talked about yesterday,

the collab with Shroud, looking at high refresh rate versus low refresh rate gaming and how much of a difference it actually makes to your skills. So that's the three projects that we've done with NVIDIA in the last three or four years. We definitely don't get a check for Luke to have a silly box on the WAN show. And even during the launch of the,

what was it? Was it RTX Titan? When we had the card that we were able to flash on the show, but then put away? Was that RTX Titan or something? Yeah. We didn't get paid for that we just

did it because we thought it was hilarious to like flash it with no other information and then and then we actually didn't even end up doing a review of that card because we were so annoyed with the way that they handled the embargo so like to imagine for a second that nvidia paid us money to like flash something for literally three seconds and then have an angry call with them afterwards about their bad embargo lift policy didn't you guys skip launch events for a bit we still do still do yeah we we don't do their definitely getting paid though yeah definitely getting paid to not attend for sure a hundred percent i mean to be clear like there are people at nvidia that we have great be clear, like there are people at NVIDIA that we

have great working relationships with, and there are people at NVIDIA that we don't have great working relationships with. I think what a lot of people, I think what a lot of people don't understand is that these companies actually work really hard to put up one face, you know, one brand, but behind that is hundreds and in some cases thousands of people all of whom have different agendas, different ideas, different ambitions and different amounts of

moral fiber in some cases. So just because something scummy happens doesn't necessarily mean that everyone was on board. And by the same token, just because something good happens doesn't mean that everyone was on board. In this case, this is, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt, a complete nothing burger. Just scum and villainry. And we can all ignore it.

Nick, what can I do for you, sir? Well, first, my question about that whole thing is they're alleging that NVIDIA is paying reviewers or whatever. How does that work for NVIDIA? They don't just go light piles of money on fire. Well, the thing is, a lot of people think that NVIDIA spends a lot of money on marketing. Right, but I'm saying, even if they spent a lot of money on marketing,

why would they pay people to show their boxes? A lot of people who don't really understand how marketing works think that, like, I mean. Product placement is like truth serum. And just if it's there, like, 80% of the audience is going to buy it. Yeah. And, like, that wouldn't be effective. That would be a total waste of money.

The other thing, too, is that a lot of people think that the way that money is flowing andosed sponsored video because, you know, I've seen a lot of shops in my day and I can tell by the pixels or whatever. Like when the reality of it is like that video is either only tangentially about the thing that they're alleging sponsored the video or includes a ton of information or like, you know, a guide for how to use it improperly or whatever that no brand we've ever worked with would allow in a sponsored video. It just doesn't work that way. Honestly,

I feel like I owe the community another honest answers video, honest answers. How do sponsored videos work? Oh, interesting. Yeah. Like really, I feel like I owe the community another Honest Answers video. Honest Answers. Things have changed. How do sponsored videos work? Oh, interesting, yeah. Like, really, how do they work? Like, maybe we could find a company that doesn't exist anymore. So we could show the contract, for example.

Like, if we found someone who doesn't exist, like... Nick's just like, uh... Like Doppler Labs or something. You'd have to be careful if they were bought out. We can talk about that. They weren't bought. They're just dead. But yeah, okay, we'll talk about it offline.

But we could figure out just how much we can tell you guys and go as deep as we can into it. I'm so sorry. I think it's something that people don't understand and they think they understand. I also think a Honest Answers follow-up or re-up or something on how do we make money could be pretty cool. I thought about doing that, and I was actually looking at that the other day.

And what I realized is that while the mix, like the percentages, have shifted around a little bit. Isn't a lot of new? There are new ways that we make money but it's it's kind of muddy to calculate right now so the merch side of the business does make money now but like the way that you calculate that is really complicated you can't just say okay well however much you brought in um so so however much revenue you brought in minus the cost because a lot of the time you'll have po's cut and checks cashed for stuff that won't hit your warehouse for another two months. Right.

So how does that work into the calculation? And then you might have like a launch of a line of products. I don't think we've done that yet. But you might eventually have a launch of a line of products and you might hold them for a while before you launch them. So the payment is going out for that way before you're getting any income and then you're getting tons of income when maybe there's no out. Yeah. So it's a little bit difficult to calculate. To be clear, I know nothing about it. How do we subtract our inventory liability from the profit that we've made and the payroll that we pay, but that is not, it's not on quite the same balance sheet. So I'm not quite sure how to do that.

Also, some of the main ways that we discussed last time really haven't changed that much. And so a big part of the reason that I did that video was to just go, okay, look, guys, this cloak and actually, it's funny, it's very related to what we're talking about right now. This cloak and dagger, you know, under the table payment system that you guys seem to think runs Linus Media Group isn't. In fact, the vast majority of our income comes from other sources like Amazon Affiliate, Google AdSense. At the time, Vessel was a big source of revenue. Now Floatplane.

Hooray. So from our community directly. Now it's Merch, which is another form of community sponsorship. Yeah, you can pick. I've got to fix your place. Get to say. No, that's fine. We'll make Luke put it back.

Yeah, I know where it was, so just hear it. But I don't want to forget it. No, no, no. We'll forget it there for sure. Here, just. Yeah, it's empty. Oh, Lordy. Yeah.

I just, you can just go over here. It's's fine i just don't want to i want to make sure yeah a big part of the reason that i had wanted to do that so much was because i was trying to prove a point but like look if i'm just completely transparent will you guys finally stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense if i just tell you the real story. And the reality of it is that, no, it didn't, in fact, change what a lot of people thought about me and about. Really? No. Yeah. It didn't seem to have much of an impact.

The people who trusted us already, I think, trusted us more, which is great. But the people who were sure that we're lying about it just thought we were lying more. We made up an even more elaborate lie. Something that I like is when you have those kind of situations where you have community members and there's some that are on your side and there's some that are not on your side. Even if it doesn't sway the battle,

giving the people that are on your side an easier job is often nice. So like, even if it didn't necessarily help the noise, you gave them that video at least they can go Based if I'm gonna wait I might as well have some great material the white knight. We're sure yeah fair enough Someone's like he's a show just copy paste the video and point at it with a little up arrow and then next post whatever It's nice to give them those things

We appreciate can I help you with something, Nick? Your trees have been planted. My trees have been planted. Which ones? I think it's Twitter. Oh, right. Oh, okay. Speaking of money, let's go ahead and, oh, man,

I'm not signed into Twitter. Are you signed into Twitter on that machine? Yes. Oh, really? Yes. Wow, okay. Also, it doesn't matter, I'm not signed into Twitter. Are you signed into Twitter on that machine? Yes. Oh, really? Yes. Wow, okay. Also, it doesn't matter that I'm not signing into Twitter right now. So today's video was a big collab, YouTube-wide pretty much.

So many creators took part in this. It's a big tree-planting push that was started by MrBeast to celebrate 20 million subscribers. And we agreed that if our community raised $10,000 we would match it. And we have no idea if our community raised $10,000, but we just did it anyway because

it seems like a thing that is good to do. Is there some way to even know? I don't think so. $1 plants a tree. Oh, that's exciting. That's fun. Yeah. So I think it's up to...

I can't tell how the counters are related to each other. So it says that we've raised about $1.5 million over on teamtrees.org. So I'm just going to, I guess, go there. Oh, here, I'll just share your screen. And then YouTube shows, I think, like a quarter or half a million dollars. I haven't looked at it recently. So I'm not sure if those are together or separate.

But either way, a lot of freaking trees are going to be planted by the Arbor Foundation. And yeah, that's a good thing. Wow, that's really cool. Yeah. Oh, look at these guys a good thing. Wow, that's really cool. Yeah. Oh, look at these guys donating nine more than $10,000 so they get higher on the list. Ugh. Ugh.

Whatever. Smart moves. Whatever. It's all good. Nifty tactics. Yep. You know what? If I'd thought of it, I'd have done it.

Yeah. There you go. Okay. Okay. Next topic. I don't know. Ad spots. How far in are we? Ad spots.

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in a sponsored spot for PIA. Yeah. That seems in poor taste, but there was another VPN quite well regarded, quite well known that we were very close to partnering with when we ended up abandoning our partnership with a TunnelBear.

And we ended up going with PIA because as Luke and I had disclosed on the show, in addition to using TunnelBear, who we were sponsored by at the time for like, you know, our mom or whatever, because they needed something easy to use. And that thing that happened at PAX. Both of us had personal PIA accounts. And I had just, I had had a very good experience with them over the year plus that I'd had an account. And so I was like, you know what?

All other things being equal, I'm going to go with the one that I'm happy with. And I'm really, really glad we did because, to be clear, something could happen with PIA in the future. 100%. Nothing is hack-proof. 100%.

But at least PIA didn't have a big problem recently and then failed to disclose it in a timely manner. Yeah, not even like that recently. Yeah, it was like months ago. Because the timely manner was like a long time ago. Yeah. So PIA, we trust them. LMG.gg slash PIA when?

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I didn't go through the initial read. Shroud, did you talk about that? No, I haven't. Okay, let's do that. Just pardon me for a second, I'm just saving my jerky right now. No worries. Shroud, did you talk about that? Not yet. Okay, let's do that. Just pardon me for a second. I'm just saving my George D. Shroud, one of Twitch's biggest stars and a person that LTT recently did a collab with,

and in my opinion, potentially the greatest FPS player of all time, has moved from Twitch to Mixer, along with Ninja. Very interesting. He has 6.5 million followers on Twitch. He has now gathered 385,000 on Mixer. That number will no doubt continue to go up.

And it's probably higher than... I know, I know, I know. It's probably higher now than it was when this was written. He follows Ninja, like I mentioned, one of Twitch's... one of previously Twitch's most followed streamers in Jumping Ship. DrDisrespect subsequently claimed that he was approached by Mixer first

and it turned it down because Mixer has lower user engagement and less revenue opportunities. He claims he made more than both Shroud and Ninja, but it's also DrDisrespect. Yeah. He's kind of... I don't know if that was in character or not. It's really hard to tell with that dude.

Well, no, because usually he goes no costume and stuff. When he goes no costume, he's usually out of character. And then I think it's... I don't know. Okay. I don't really watch Twitch. Or Mixer. So at any rate.

Does this bode well for Mixer's future, or will this Mixer exodus peter out? Let's discuss. I mean, you stream on Twitch. Yeah. Why stream on Twitch instead of Mixer? For me, right now, I don't care. I say constantly that I'm a terrible streamer.

I don't try to grow my audience. The amount of effort that I put into my stream, outside of literally sitting in the chair, is as minimal as possible. There are stream elements on my stream that haven't worked in, like, two years. And I don't care. So all it really is for me bad stream yeah yeah and that's okay because all I really want to do is hang out with most

of people that have been shown up for like five six years seven years and if new people show up cool if you want to hang out cool but outside of that don't care I have a job I don't want that to be my job specifically I don't want it to get too big etc so if i move to mixer i would need to make sure they all came with me and there's i mean the thing is there's it's not a money thing for me so if mixer was like here's a bunch of money i'm like well unless it's like really a bunch of money but then why would they care about my crappy stream there's pretty much no way to do it i mean we look at the disparity between the six and a half million

followers on twitch and the 300 400 000 you know how sub growth works i do know how sub growth works well that's what i'm trying to say is if we were to go like let's say they're microsoft created a mix tube or something you know a competitor to YouTube. And they were to offer us a gigantic bag of money, which I haven't asked Mike. I don't have the kind of relationship with him where I could be like, hey, so how much do we pay? You know, like we're not tight like that or anything. And if we were, it would be with the understanding that I'm not going to talk about it on the WAN show. So I have no idea how much the bag of money would have had to have been i do have to assume that there would be a bag of money because i can tell you guys in no uncertain terms there is no chance that we would be going over to mixtube unless we were being offered a lucrative enough deal

that not only were we getting any shortfall that we were going to be experiencing over the long period of time it's taken 10 years to get linus tech tips to where it is so i am expecting the shortfall that i'm going to experience over that entire period of time to be made up plus i would be asking for a big lump sum in cash. Yeah, of course. And the reason for that is that there is a huge opportunity cost to, how do I put this, to fading your star. Because a big part of the way that influencers make money is not just through views or subscribers. It's through the perception that they are a big star. So for someone like a Shroud or a Ninja or a Dr. Disrespect or whoever the case may be,

being one of the biggest stars in a particular space is something that there's a value to having a number attached to. And when you lose that number, you potentially make yourself less attractive to agencies that just quite frankly have no idea what they're doing. Like we worked with an agency a little while ago that mostly had experience working with Instagram influencers. And it was fascinating. You would think the rules are all basically the same. Make sure that you put us up in a hotel that's not infested with cockroaches, make sure that the bus leaves on time to whatever event we're supposed to attend. And, you know, hey, we need some time with the

product or the thing, whatever it is, so that we can cover it. But they just had no idea how to engage with us. And all the transportation stuff and everything was sort of fine. But the schedule for the event was completely designed around Instagrammers. And the structure of the event was designed around Instagrammers. So there's like this big unveiling and show and song and dance thing, literally a song and dance, that went on. And I was like, okay, where's my hands on time because they want stories I guess I don't know exactly yeah because most of the people that were there it's a huge event like a hundred two hundred different

influencers I hate that word but I have to use it because once the word takes root yeah that's it that's the word for it I don't make the rules here so they had must have had a, 200 influencers there. And all of them were like, click, click, click, click. Click, click, click, click. And their job is done or whatever. Meanwhile, I'm sitting here going, I have to make a video. I had literally, literally half an hour of time scheduled

to talk to anyone with an engineering background and make a video. I can't do that no that's not good that's not good so I ended up skipping a bunch of the other spectacle months in order to get some time with talk to an engineer and they were like well why would you want to do that I was like cuz I need to make video. Because I'm trying to do my job. This seems like a different version of when you walk into a place and you can tell it's 100% structured for, like, I was just going to say print media, but, like, written media. Absolutely. Like website stuff, not video. Absolutely.

Where, like, it'll be little things. Like, for example, there will be a deck that they'll give you they'll give you a powerpoint of the presentation that went on on the stage but they won't give you a version of it without the watermarks until five minutes before the embargo yeah and i go oh please tell me more about your magic processor that you can render a video and upload it to youtube with in less than five minutes. Get it processed on YouTube. Like, help me help you because we're both going to look like unprofessional idiots if we have a watermark all over the slides in our freaking video.

And I don't want to be two hours late because that's stupid. I need the slides ahead of time. It's the very nature of the business. Besides, the whole freaking thing leaked already anyway because you let people into the presentation with their cell phones taking pictures of the slides what difference does it make at this point sit a rep with us if you want I don't care just let us do our job can you do the the Instagram noise again I'm getting no I can't I actually don't remember what noise I couldn't stop hearing it for a while.

Was it click or something? I can't. There's no way I'd be able to do it. I'm going to have to watch that back, though. That was freaking, oh, that took me a second to, like, actually absorb it. That was funny, though. Okay. To bring it all the way back, though.

Yes. Does this bode well for Mixer's future? Will this Mixer exodus peter out you were talking about why someone might not want to go and how much it might cost you asked me why i don't go this can bode well for mixer but it really depends on microsoft's commitment to mixer so there's no doubt in my mind that between ninja and shroud millions or maybe even tens of millions of dollars have been committed at this point. Again, I don't know Mike, and I don't even know Ninja's real name.

So I definitely don't know him. So I have no knowledge of the inner workings of this deal. I knew Mike, but I also didn't know. Go figure. Branding, right? Anyway, so I have no real knowledge of this. I just know based on their footprint and based on how big and risky of a move this is, for me to make a similar move, it would have to be, it would have to be like, like stupid. Like it would have to just be like. Yeah.

Sorry. Is there, is there an extra zero or two on this? Because like this makes no sense. Like, for me to abandon YouTube at this point, where I have invested a decade of my life, like, it's not as simple. And it was a very risky commit. Absolutely. And it was successful.

So, like, doing another very risky commit after succeeding the first very risky commit is, you know. Speaking of risky, after succeeding the first very risky commit is, you know. Speaking of risky, it is extremely risky to be putting Nvidia sponsored product placement in the back of your videos and not disclosing that. Hey, Jay. Well, I think the FCC has something to say about that. Yeah, yeah, bad, bad dog, no.

I'm pretty sure that's what they have to say about that. Have you been, have you been, sorry, we're kicking back to a previous topic here because Jay takes 45 minutes to return my calls. I was in the gym. I'm trying to work off some of that fat. Good job, Jay. So have you heard about the drama with YouTubers being accused of taking money from NVIDIA to feature their products in the background of videos? Yeah, I have.

I've been pretty vocal against it. I'm an annual thing with NVIDIA, isn't it? It's just some other NVIDIA story. You broke up a little bit there. Oh, sorry. I said, yeah, I've been pretty vocal against it, but then I went on to say, isn't this just the annual NVIDIA drama story?

It's just something different every year? Yeah, it kind of is looking that way. So I just wanted to confirm. I felt like for our viewers, I owe them using my phone book and my cell phone to get some confirmation that whoever this person supposedly thinks they're talking about it's nonsense so so you're you're you're you're not getting secret money from nvidia no it's not me and can i go on to say that they're the only company in the big three that's never paid me dollars that's funny i was we have we have we've had sponsored Intel and sponsored AMD content, but never from NVIDIA. I would love to say that that surprises me, but that would be a bald-faced lie.

Yeah. It's irony, right? I know, right? It's like if I'm going to be accused of selling out, it'd be nice to actually at least get to cash the check. Yeah. If I have to go to the penalty box, I would like to have actually done the penalty. Yeah, at least, you know, if you're going to put baby in the corner,

make sure it's a valid reason. That's all I ask. All right, thanks, Jay. Bye, Jay. All right, guys, have a good show. All right, bye. So there you go. Yet another tech YouTuber.

Anyway, back to this whole thing. So it's a huge risk. Yeah. And it didn't work out for Vessel. I think that's the most comparable thing I can think of. And in that case, I wasn't even being asked to switch platforms. I was just being asked to upload to platforms. But the model that Vessel is using to acquire talent is very similar.

Yes. I would assume. Here's a minimum guarantee to cover that shortfall that you're gonna have, and by the way, here's a big signing bonus. I am assuming that it is a similar model. Now Vessel ran out of money, allegedly. But Microsoft won't. So, really, the only question here is

what's Microsoft's commit level and that's a bigger question because we're also asking then what is Microsoft's commit level to gaming because I think to them mixer is less about making money off live streaming games and more about being vertically integrated okay so they they own game development studios and also relationships with game development studios. They own their own publisher. They own their own console. They own their own cloud infrastructure that allows people to stream games. They own the operating system that also interacts with the console to share licensing for game titles. Well, they also

need, they need to finally succeed at owning a social media platform I will say I'm gonna say two things on this topic one is I think they need five at a minimum I know some people have been talking about three like who's the next one gonna be and maybe that'll be enough I think they need five like killer streamers And I don't mean killer as in they're all FPS players, but like big, big, big deal streamers. I think I need five minimum and then hopefully more on top of that. And then another one is about Mixer. I've actually been interested in switching to Mixer for a long time, since way before Ninja ever went there.

The reason why I was interested, and again, you know my reason for why I didn't go. It's because I don't want to disturb my little community that I've had for like six years. But I've been interested because, oddly enough, Mixer to me has always felt more gaming focused. Interesting. It has always felt kind of that way. And where Twitch has stagnated in a lot of their gaming stuff, but they've pushed super hard in all of the segments that you just mentioned Yeah, mixer has pushed forward continually in the gaming direction They've tried to do a lot of really cool community integrations and it might be a little bit rougher around the edges

But I find it very interesting. The only reason why I haven't gone is my my little pocket community. So I Think I understand the interest from, I know a lot of Ninja's communication around his stuff was just I'm not a fan of the direction of Twitch and how much control I have of how it works. Who knows how real that is? But I could understand it to a certain degree. Right, that's fair. Because coming from someone who doesn't even care at all,

I felt the same way. So I guess, there you go. If Microsoft is actually this committed to gaming and is this committed to owning a social media platform for a change, a relevant one, then absolutely. I think this does end in Mixer drawing significant market share away from Twitch. But as you just alluded to, there is no way that they're going to pull it off with just two big names.

Yeah, no. They're going to have to keep putting money into this, and some of it is going to be an unmitigated disaster. Now, I don't think either Ninja or Shroud are going to be a disaster. Those guys have so much gravitational pull that they will bring users over. But I think they're going to have a misfire or two. There's no way they get it right every single time, but they're

just going to have to keep doing it. I think they're going to need the five that I just mentioned. I think they're also going to need, like, in maybe one wave, like, 20. Because right now they're getting these massive, I don't know Twitch stats very well, other than current big categories,

which I'll talk about in a second. But they're getting these massive streamers that I'm assuming average like 20,000 viewers. I think they need to get five of those, and then step down, aim at the one to 2,000 range, and just get like 20 or 30 of them. Just shotgun. And some of those will miss. Because you'll have, you'll have yes, I think that's kind of where you're going to have

some that might miss. But you need to reach that momentum point where you know what, the reality of it is if Shroud were to stream for four hours or something like that nobody sits, okay I shouldn't say nobody, but very few people sit and watch. You have a huge amount of ch churn one stream for four hours yeah there needs to be other stuff on the site to flip to and the thing is with that range that i just said those are career streamers

yeah like i'm that's probably their full-time job and they're probably killing it people with a thousand concurrence yeah that's all you need that's a lot how many how many a thousand concurrence all the time how do i tell how many years do you even know how much money you make off of no twitch and you don't hey i've got a thousand viewers on twitch right now and you don't stream for long enough and you don't promote your sub button and stuff because the thing is here's some weird Analytics into my channel my channel has way more subscribers than I have average concurrent viewers right? And I think that's how it's going to be because like you just said you have people coming in and out of your channel

Average concurrence is actually a relatively weird way to measure Channel performance like I get astronomically more views on each stream than I have average concurrent viewers. I see. So, like, it's a lot of people. A thousand current viewers, if you can hold that number for a solid long stream, is a lot of people. And, like, a lot of fans are really supportive.

I get food delivered to me all the time. I'm pretty sure that's why you do it. The food is wonderful. If they start sending you clothes, I don't think we'll be able to get you to come to work. Because I think that's the only thing that you still need from us. That's kind of funny.

But like, stream viewers are often extremely supportive and you're going to get more, you're probably going to get, I don't know, But like it's it's stream viewers are often extremely supportive and You're gonna get more you're probably gonna get I don't know I only have my analytics, but you're probably gonna get more subscribers than you have average concurrence at a thousand subscribers That's 2,500 bucks a month if you if that was the exact amount of concurrent viewers that you had you could definitely That's whatever you're doing good I actually have no idea how many viewers are on YouTube right now, because it's just broken.

This stopped working at 20 after 5. So that's pretty cool. Who knows? But yeah, I don't know. Okay, cool. Okay. I made it, Mom. I think that's pretty much...

Oh, wow. We didn't talk about the trifold phone. I wasn't even here. I didn't know pretty much all. Oh, wow, we didn't talk about the tri-fold phone. I wasn't even here. I didn't know there was one. TCL created a prototype dual-hinge phone, which folds in three parts and opens up to a huge 10-inch tablet. Okay, so the original article here is from CNET. Hey, look at that. I think every direction of product innovation

has to have some things that slam and make sense and do well and has to have some of these. That looks thick AF. That looks super dumb. No name, no price, no window for release. But boy, is that ever a big screen. And based on my experience with the galaxy fold i i would at least give it a shot because i love the fold i know i'm not using it right now

but that's only because they took my fold away to take b-roll of it i am so excited to get it looking at how you unfold this oh yeah no it looks like it looks like people are gonna do are going to do it too quickly. I'm going to give it a chance. Okay. I'm going to give it a chance. I'm very interested. I said with the single fold that I said I wasn't ready for it mainly because of price tag, but I think this is the future. I'm not saying

the same thing here. I don't think this is the future. You don't think that's the future? No. I think you went too far, TCL. You took it think that's the future? No. Well, maybe you are just... I think you went too far, TCL. You took it too far. Speaking of taking things too far, Huawei is launching the Mate X in China

on November 15th for $2,400 US dollars. So we're going to try and get our hands on one, but I don't know that we'll be able to because getting China-only stuff is difficult sometimes. But we should definitely try. We should ask our.

Do we even want to get our hands on it? Oh, definitely. With like all this stuff going on? Oh, yeah. I don't care. I want to get my hands on that thing. I want to know if it's any good. Okay.

Maybe it's good. Maybe it sucks. We can try. Speaking of good. Goodbye. Yeah. Good see you later, good, good. Good to see you later.

Actually, no, we need to do some Super Chats, especially because we have a $250 Super Chat today. I am so sorry we missed the Super Chats last week. That was my bad. I clicked and then I was like, Super Chat, and it was, and the stream was over. And going back live again is something that can be very destructive to the

channel in terms of the youtube algorithm so it's something we really try hard not to do see and then i've had streams where i do it like 10 or 15 times so i'm just trialing something out yeah yeah so hi alex um tt plays any tips for a first time pc builder watch a guide our old ones are still good we do they're still good you guys definitely have just slightly Alex, TTPlays, any tips for a first-time PC builder? Watch a guide. Our old ones are still good. Which we do have. They're still good. You guys definitely have those. Just slightly older parts.

Oh, Robert says, the red camera smartphones are gone. Yeah, actually, we considered making that our thumbnail and title for the WAN show today. But then I was like, did anyone care? Probably not. I think the answer was no. Star Citizen 890J says, Leicester City 9, Southampton 0. Is this a soccer score?

It's a soccer score. John says, where's the intro where Linus is stuck in the 90s? That's every video. Other side guy, you should paint the Power Mac G5K space gray. I saw someone. I went to go get some some faux Fossum fuck fuck at the spot. I'm sorry the frame. I don't know why I like to like our ace over I know what you're like

I went to go get some pho at the spot and Sitting outside of one of the stores close by was someone with a skateboard, black jeans, black shoes, black sweater, black shirt, long, slick black hair, some tattoos, headphones. And I was like, perfect. Emo skaters. We're back. Are they back? I understand culture again.

I was out of there for like 10 years. Were the jeans ripped? Yep. Yes! Yep. Like it was, I'm not going to be perfect at describing it, but it was like plucked right out of what, like 2004, 2005? Like Jay be perfect describing it, but it was like plucked right out of what like 2004 2005 Jay and Silent Bob strike back kind of era so good

So good. I was like I appreciate your existence because I understand you other side guys suggest We paint our power Mac g5k space gray We're probably gonna go with black and with maybe some orange accents and the reason for that is that uh it's going to be more of like the ltt mac pro um so we have to paint it just because the case got like mangled by all the work that's been done on it um i think it's going to be black it's probably going to be matte black so hopefully that doesn't disappoint you too much. Brandon says, here you go, hot boys. Have some opinion rewards balance from my work phone.

How else would I use it? Also, I have Luke beat, I'm still on a 3930K. Nice. Jager says, what's the chassis that you used for the render server? The one with the blue bezels. Oh crap, it's some I-Star USA one, if I recall correctly. And it's not like necessarily something i would recommend

like we frankensteined it together and it works great but it's not amazing or anything thanks zach uh tommy gun says is there a reason you released so many vids on youtube out of order lately like the vr series and personal rig updates i demand information. A lot of the time it has to do with simultaneous releases between Floatplane and YouTube that are dictated by like sponsors reviewing videos that need to go up at the same time or just something just plain not being done. Like we had a really, I guess usually it's down

to like a sponsor spot move or something like that. We try to have it be a week buffer consistently, but a lot of the time it's just not that simple. Tinnitus says, donate you all a tree. That's not quite how that works. Yeah. That's a super chat. That's a different thing. Yeah.

Okay. Other side guy. Rip when every nice phone and PC part in australia is a thousand dollars or more yeah this must have been when we were just discussing pricing in different regions uh my pet fish rex i have a 970 and a 1440p monitor i need to upgrade i found a used vegas 64 for 275 bucks that seems not bad or should i go with something more modern like an rx 5700 xt or rtx 2070 super vegas 64 for 275 bucks, that seems, off the top of my head, that seems pretty darn good.

Is that that old? No, that's not. Yeah, I don't think you would, like, it's not the newest thing ever, but I wouldn't say that's like ancient. I wouldn't worry about it something being more modern. Ilya Tarasov says, do you feel like back in the old days,

overclocking felt like duck in the system, and now you only use so much power you're allowed by the manufacturer? Honestly, we're gonna be making a video about a product next week that makes me feel exactly like that. Raspberry Pie says, love from the Stylist Studios. We here really enjoy your in-depth content

so we wanna show you some love and support. Oh wow, thank you. $250 Super Chat, that's nuts. I think that's a... A what? Yeah. Did our stream die? Nope.

Oh. We're good. WT Bull says, love watching your content, here is five Canadian rupees. Thank you. Ilya says, could you please tell some story about last year's Scrapyard Wars Switch Girl and explain what the heck was that?

It was Switch Girl. It was Switch Girl, dude. Yeah. Switch Girl. What do you want to know? What's up? It was Switch Girl. What's up?

Yeah. Switch Girl. Yeah. Like, explain what? Yeah. Yeah. What's up, bro? Yeah.

Switch Girl. Yeah. All right. Okay. In all seriousness, though, dbrand sponsored Scrap scrapyard wars so she was playing switch with a d brand skin on it that's all there was to it people were like people were beside themselves like that was that i mean that was product placement but we just closed it yeah

good job all right we only have time for a couple more. Megan says, just got one, and why does the Swacket have a left-hand zipper? What are left-hand zippers? They're saying it's on that side. Oh, wow. I never... All of mine are just kind of random, so I just kind of don't think about it.

There isn't, like, a rhyme or reason anymore, really. Oh, okay. It used to be like allegedly men's was on the right and women's was on the left. Yeah. Like buttoning or something. Oh. For like dress shirts. Yeah.

But like in the research that we've done, there's like no set guidance anymore. It's just kind of like do what you please. Okay. So. Okay. It probably would be a good idea for us to make all of ours the same. It's just kind of like do what you please. Okay. Okay. It probably would be a good idea for us to make all of ours the same.

I think ours is the same between stealth and swacking. Oh, okay. But it's just on the left. No one has ever asked that before. How is a zipper even on the left? I don't get it. Well, where the piece that moves is. Instead of being here, it's here.

Yeah. Oh. Oh, wow. I would have never noticed that. Yeah, in a thousand years, I would have never noticed that. You get really used, it's here. Yeah. Oh. Oh, wow. I would have never noticed that. Yeah, in a thousand years, I would have never noticed that. You'd get really used to it really quickly. Yeah. Okay. 1800 Shweet says, shout out to my friend Kobe.

Happy birthday for next week. Happy birthday, Kobe. Shout out. Leo G says, where did the Constellation shirt go? It disappeared from the store after having a restocked date of October 2019. It is coming back soon. Within two weeks. Within two weeks. Within two weeks.

Hopefully. B Gross says, I'm finally listening to the entire WAN Show archive and I'm starting again from the beginning. Thanks for having audio download links. You're listening to the entire WAN Show archive? Why would you do that? Why? There's a couple of shows that I think I'd like to listen back on, but not all of them.

What number do you think we're at? Like 400 or something? I don't know. It's some but not all of them. What number do you think we're at? Like 400 or something? I don't know. It's some obscene number of WAN shows. Robert sent another chat. Obviously, all Super Chats are made by shills as well. Don't forget to visit LTT forums and discard for your daily tech pilling.

Don't forget WAN show is pre-recorded. Thanks, Robert. And LTTstore.com. LTTstore.com. Vor says, despite comprizing a mere 13% of game production blizzard manages to ban over 50 of hong kong supporters how's the ghost pepper jerky on the way out a lot better on the way fine for me actually the ghost pepper one yeah it doesn't actually that no that one's not as bad the carolina reaper one i ate like an entire bag of it once i have never

had the bad on the way out experience with anything spicy. Really? Never. You must have a butthole of steel. It's solid iron. Or just dead nerves. Yeah. Prince Albert says, don't know what a super chat is for, but I love your channel.

Well, that cost you $10. Alex says, here's some New Zealand rupees. Also, you need to make a big float plane box for that product placement. Nice. We actually have a really exciting float plane video coming. Are you doing the thing? Like the announcement? No.

What thing? You looked up the website and you saw availability while we were looking at the script i don't want to say what it is you'd be going to a place i'm going to take that as a no oh yeah i totally forgot about that oh we're probably going to simplify it just because i'm tired and busy But we're finally going to be announcing that Floatplane is going to be taking requests from people who want to join. It's beta. It's still beta. But it's like beta now.

It's not like pre-alpha. So it's really, really exciting. Also, we don't know how to do stages properly. We're going to shoot that next week and hopefully it'll be up in the very near future. Good luck stages properly we're gonna shoot that next week and hopefully it'll be up in the very near future so um good luck everybody yeah thanks for watching today see you next week same bad time same bad channel bye now i can do this and you can't even say anything As I was taking it away, I was like... That provided so much entertainment on the show today.

Good work. And I actually totally baited you guys, too. Because I wanted to walk up and you to say, like, oh, hey, Luke, and then me leave. Because I wanted that to be, like, part of the story. And it totally worked.