The WAN Show - Intel Takes The L - WAN Show August 5, 2022

Episode Date: August 8, 2022

Get a $100 60-day credit on your new account at: http://linode.com/wan Get three months of Gusto FREE at: https://gusto.com/wan Get Exclusive NordSecurity deals here: https://nordsecurity.com/wan All products are risk-free with Nord's 30-day money-back guarantee! Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119 - NOTE: Timestamps may be off due to change in sponsors) 0:00 Chapters 1:16 Intro 1:44 Topic #1 - Even MORE trouble for Intel's ARC 2:18 Third parties are leaving ARC behind 4:14 Intel struggles with RMA, NCIX stories 6:21 ONE halts production, board partners not interested 10:18 Wafer production, AV1 encoder 15:02 Merch Messages #1, LTT backpack launched! 16:22 LTTStore products that would work with backpack 22:04 Lab doing USB hub reviews, dashcam rant 26:32 Lab publishing a chart of tested products 28:02 Linus wants to show off a minimally viable product 30:52 Testing throughput, website design, Chroma UPS 41:14 WAN hoodie & backpack promo 41:36 Linus's & Luke's favorite freeware software 45:46 Woman sizes update 46:48 LTTStore version of wrist rests 50:28 Labs' reply to testing USB power banks & hubs 54:12 Impact of China V.S. Taiwan on the tech community 57:16 Hasbro pulse selfie to figures 1:02:24 Boomer "garbage", testing range 1:06:36 Whether labs would do durability testing 1:09:50 Paw patrol, favorite dog plush 1:10:38 LTT Backpack warranty 1:12:30 Ethernet cable routing in brick walls 1:13:06 TV video & charging solutions 1:14:32 Sponsor - Shortform 1:16:01 Sponsor - Squarespace 1:16:56 Sponsor - MSI 1:17:32 Discussing LTTStore support tickets 1:18:24 Topic #2 - Amazon buys iRobot, creator of Roomba 1:21:48 Topic #3 - Europeans upset about LTT shipping 1:22:46 Linus on subsidized shipping costs 1:25:38 Taxes on the free stickers being refunded 1:26:54 Shopify development takes time 1:28:26 Idea to have variable costs dependent on areas 1:30:30 Another warehouse would not lower the costs 1:32:30 Backpack release went greatly, different ideas 1:35:58 Labs testing headphones 1:36:38 Topic #4 - Whale LAN highlights 1:36:48 Whale LAN L4D tournament, Linus & OG crew 1:40:10 Halo CE Blood Gulch 1:42:36 Linus rages is not a quiet gamer 1:48:24 Miner VGA tournament 1:52:04 Space cadet on Steam Deck, CS tournament 1:53:58 Topic #5 - Google now has two Google Meets 1:55:00 Linus rants about the stupidity of the matter 1:56:14 Discussing changes & Duo changes 1:59:02 Meet app is now updated to "Meet (Original)" 1:59:24 Merch Messages #2 1:59:32 LTT HDR update 2:01:20 Thoughts on smartwatches 2:03:12 What IT freelancer Luke did to find work 2:05:10 Exercise routines 2:06:38 PSU SATA cables are not cross-compatible 2:09:14 LTTStore wallets idea 2:10:32 How Linus feels about VTubers & smart speakers 2:16:52 Would Linus get an RFID implant? 2:17:20 Luke on road mapping, developing & planning 2:21:06 Transferring data between phones 2:22:14 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How y'all doing everybody? Happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a fantastic show lined up for you guys today. See, I told you guys I was going to do it. Yep. Lots of great topics. More trouble for Intel Arc as board partners reportedly bail on the project. That's a little awkward.

In other news, Amazon apparently wants to buy iRobot for 1.7 billion not not not the movie we're talking about like robot vacuum cleaners they needed some inspiration yeah i mean i want to buy the movie i actually have a lot to say about amazon buying iRobot what else we got uh we have uh ncx tails from Behind the Counter, which I'm going to throw one in for, which is not from when I worked at NCX, but I'm going to throw a Behind the Counter tale into the pile.

I'm going to put this in. Luke's cryptic story that Linus doesn't know. I think. I might have told you at some point. We've had a lot of conversations. Also, other stuff. i'm gonna throw this mad at me yeah we'll talk about why yeah sup europe how you doing this could be a good show.

All right, why don't we jump right into our first topic for the day, more trouble for Intel Arc. It feels like just a few short weeks ago that we had representatives from Intel here on the show telling us that things are going swimmingly for Arc and we should be expecting a launch imminently. Wait, that is exactly what happened. Yeah. That exact thing I just said. It's literally a few short weeks ago.

That wasn't a fever dream, right? Nope. Like that was a thing. Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, according to Igor's lab, as if all the other rumors of values and the scramble to keep production high to meet that prior demand. Whew! That is a bad time. Yeah, Anthony writes, which as Linus should know,

is a pretty bad time when it comes to tying up your capital. As a result intel has been focusing first on oem partners but they face a chicken and egg scenario in order for system integrators and oem customers to place orders there must first be a demand for the products to begin with but since arc is an unknown quantity i mean all we've seen is the small demos that Intel has done. Since it's unproven, there is apparently little to no interest from prominent European distributors and dealers.

And this was the case long before A380 benchmarks reared their ugly head. There's another angle. There was still a weird way to launch it, considering it's basically always been Halo product and then dropping down from there.

And they did like the opposite. AMD pulled it the other way once when they launched, I think it was Polaris, I want to say. Okay. Mind you, I don't think they had a high-end product for that generation at all. So maybe they were just pitching it as, no, no, they launched, because they did 474. No,

they launched the whole stack. They just didn't have a high end product. I remember now. Nope, nope. Never mind. Yep. You're right. Yeah, it's weird. So I think that that set people off on a weird foot as well. You generally try to put your best foot forward when it comes to launching a generation of products. Now, there's another angle here. Intel allegedly didn't want to give price guarantees, and the conditions around RMA returns were worse than their competitors, which is a tough pill to swallow for system integrators whose margins, at least on desktop computers, are often low. You know what I want to know?

I want to know where these RMA conditions for returns are coming from, because back at NCIX, we couldn't return jack s***. When we bought something, it was ours. How did we get hosed so hard? Is it because we were Canadian? That sucks. That's a pretty good joke, though. Okay, to be clear, we did occasionally get stock rotation and price protection.

But once you committed to having something you pretty much you pretty much had it if i was intel though i would recognize that i'm going to have to offer price protection of some sort for these arc gpus because if i was a reseller i mean i remember going through this back when we did the original wan hoodie and our strategy for international sales was working through resellers. And we basically had to bend over in order to get the thing in stock in the store because they were sitting there going, well, if we don't sell it, then we want this to be entirely your problem. We want you to cover shipping back to you, take back the entire thing for the entire value.

And because we were just small and had absolutely no leverage whatsoever, we pretty much had to take whatever offer was given to us. So hilariously, we had, I think, three partners, I want to say. It was either two or three. I can't remember. It's been a long time. I think we had three partners though. And the only one that didn't manage to sell through

and that we did end up taking inventory back from was NCIX. Yeah, I know, right? They weren't even the ones that gave me a really hard time about terms. I just told them, like, just look, look, just don't worry. We'll get it taken care of. And then they just, like, didn't sell it. They, I mean, that's NCIX, right? And just, yeah, if your product sells itself, then great.

You'll be fine. And if it doesn't, if they have to actually do any work, then it be a challenge their site was so bad it was atrocious yeah anyway without interest from commercial customers then board partners are kind of left out in the cold i mean man if you guys have been following along with the screwdriver in the backpack saga i mean these are relatively uncomplicated products compared to well first, first, you've got this highly complex integrated circuit, right? You've got this ASIC, right? Then you've got the highly complex board designs, the development that goes on around those, the mass production that has to happen in order to reach the kind of scale that it even makes any sense economically to produce these

things. Then there's the distribution. You got to kind of bet, move all your pieces into play globally. You got to bet on where people are going to buy these things and which ones they're going to buy and what volumes. Like it's so complicated and all of this has to take place in the years and then months and then weeks leading up to actually pressing go, this is available. And it's all got to be basically perfect or you end up looking like an amateur, right? Because you're going up against AMD and NVIDIA

who've been doing this for decades. So without interest from commercial customers, board partners are left out in the cold and one has allegedly halted production altogether. And this is due to quality concerns. Whether these rumors are true or not, they are emblematic of the challenges faced by anyone attempting to enter the GPU market in this day and age.

Without a clear value proposition or brand recognition, SIs are going to have a tough time accepting it. Without SIs accepting it, board partners are less likely to hop on board. And without performance leadership or aggressive back-end agreements on pricing, especially price protection, not to mention RMA support,

neither situation is likely to change. So the cycle continues until either Intel blinks or the proverbial plug gets pulled. Now we do have some discussion questions here. And I don't like this first one. Is ARK going to be another Larrabee? I don't think that's a realistic outcome at this point. I do think Intel is a smart enough company to not go completely sunk cost fallacy. Well, we've already put billions in, what's another few billion? But it is very clear from a strategic standpoint that having a GPU play is what the A players do today. You must have, in addition to your x86 compute product, you must have a GPU compute

product. And it's also clear from AMD and N nvidia strategy that in order to hit the kind of volumes that you need you want a consumer product you don't just want it to be a data center compute product which is ultimately where larabee ended up if i recall correctly yeah so i don't see it happening i think intel has to go down this path even if it's like beating their heads gangsta wall in order to get there even if it takes another three years i think it's i think it sucks i don't remember the exact problem there was there was some type of problem which is causing a lot of these performance issues we talked about it last week i don't remember exactly what it was but i think that's like really unfortunate especially considering that you would kind of hope that with the pedigree that they brought on board that they

would they would have been able to avoid something like that but it is extremely technical concepts and it's not like they can exactly just copy paste what these guys have done in the past yeah i don't think like raja kaduri like just recreated yeah that would be a big problem so you can't exactly do that so you're gonna run into some issues it's unfortunate but i do agree with with linus i think they're gonna try to make it work um i hope i hope they're gonna try to make it work i hope you're right right. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. There's another discussion question here, courtesy of Anthony.

Gamers probably share the concerns around pricing, RMA, and driver support that system integrators do. How will this impact the role of early adopters? I think early adopters are absolutely critical to ARK. And, you know, from talking to Shroud and Tap about it, they seem to understand that they're going to have to be priced very aggressively to drive some of

that early adoption. But if they don't have the buy-in from upper management, if they don't have, you know, tens, hundreds of millions, a billion bucks to just kind of get some ARK GP freaking use out there into users' hands.

Do they even really want to if it has a lot of issues with this generation? I think if... I mean, they produce them, allegedly. Yeah. Supposedly, they just have wafers upon wafers upon wafers of ARC GPUs. Then they're going to have to make them incredibly cheap if there is problems. Yeah, you don't just grind them up to make new GPUs. Although.

The biggest recycling effort ever. Yeah, exactly. Don't bury it in the desert like the E.T. video game. Yeah, exactly. Actually grind them up and make new ones. Yeah, I... We'll see. There was a comment earlier about like, no brand recognition. I don't think that's fair at all.

No. Because it's going to have Intel on it. And people that are building computers know who Intel is. And Intel's onboard graphics, to their credit, have gotten a lot better in the last five years. Continually. They've gotten continuously better ever since they introduced them back. Well, I shouldn't say introduced them. Okay, sorry.

Jayden just said something in floatplane chat. If they allow vGPU, they'll move them. Yep. There's absolutely- Like 100%. Strategic levers they can pull. And EposVox did a video recently talking about their AV1 encoder.

I haven't watched the video yet. I do need to watch it, but I did at least make it to the headline. Apparently it's outstanding. Like it is a better video encoder so as long as obs gets support for intel's av1 encoder i could see a bunch of streamers just throwing it in in addition yeah to their nvidia gpu just so that they have av1 encoding that would actually be pretty cool because then you can lift a lot of the it It hasn't really been worth it to have a dedicated event card. But it could be if it's actually really killer.

Yeah, if it's legitimately better. I mean, remember too, we're talking about people that will build an entire separate machine so that they can use CPU encoding for the best possible quality. If AV1 meant you just don't have to do that although there are other reasons to use a separate machine like if your game crashes it means your stream doesn't crash etc etc but if money is no object or if maybe it's the money is a partial object that that tier if just adding one of these arc cards for you know 130 140 bucks getting that av1 encoding means that your stream will just immediately look sharper

look better i could absolutely see people doing that sick yeah if they do if that's genuinely really good and they have vgpu support they'll move them 100 they'll move them i there's a comment from from anthony saying uh regarding brand recognition it's more about the intel hd graphics being poor performers and people generally seeing Intel graphics as low and bare bones. That's fair. But I do also think that Intel is like a household name that people trust. And like maybe if you're if you're very technical, and you've like messed around with Intel HD graphics, a bunch of stuff like that, then you have that opinion. But if you're just someone who like, you'd like building your own own computers you build one every like three four years and you've had intel chips since you were fairly young like i think it's gonna hit for those people um and then on the other end like we've just been saying now there

might be specific scenarios where with the highly technical people it just it slays and and like i don't know i we try to tell them here i'm gonna try to tell them again you'll solve in my opinion they'll solve your problems if you enable vgpu one of the issues with that is it's going to be hard to take it back oh yeah with battle mage or whatever the ones are after that really hard oh yeah so you know i think you shouldn't to be fair i think you should just send it out there and just leave it out there and just um you know drop it on the table be like hey we're actually doing it we might have cards that have issues but we have this enabled people are going to buy it and if the competition doesn't answer to this we'll just take our piece of the pie and run with it but i don't

know all right let's jump into a couple of merch messages very very early on because naturally the big news for us this week was we finally finally launched the ltd backpack thank you massive shout out to everyone who ordered one. It's hilarious. Everyone who watched the video internally is like, hey, when are the staff ones going out? And I'm like, oh, not soon. They're going to paying customers first, guys. There was people from Flowplane that asked

if we're getting like backpacks and screwdrivers. And I was like, I seriously doubt it because I did the math and it was like, and then you sent that message and i was like oh okay yeah i guess so we're gonna we're gonna do it but it's gonna it's gonna take some time it's gonna take some time we gotta stock needs to stabilize stuff like that anyway we can do a couple of merch messages now uh if you guys want to send in a merch message anytime we're live when you're checking out on lttstore.com you can check that you want to send a merch message enter your merch message it'll either pop up down here it's our replacement for like super chats or or bits on twitch or anything like that because this way instead of just throwing money into a void you can throw it into a void

and the void will spit out a high quality t-shirt or backpack or hoodie or whatever else it is that you happen to need and it'll arrive at your door eventually, depending on where you are. All right, hit me, Bell. From Jack, been following the backpack for a while and loved the unboxing on Short Circuit. Hey, thanks.

With the thought of other LTT products working with the backpack, do you expect to release products that directly work with the backpack, such as hooks or lockers or carabiners? We had people ask about raincovers. Okay. So I've seen quite a few requests for a raincover. If we can find something that folds up compactly enough that it could fit in the hidden passport pocket, I would love to have a raincover that kind of sits in there and then you can pull it out in an emergency.

So you swap the luggage strap for that is basically what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. There wouldn't be a place for your luggage strap at that point. But just store it somewhere. It can't hold everything. Yeah.

I'd absolutely love to do a rain cover. We are already working on some attachments for the front but the front i think i just saw a secret thing yeah we are already working on some attachments for the front for things like uh oh man matthew has this adorable little uh like wireless headphones holder that will clip on right here so it'll just sit right here so you can just tuck your wireless headphones in it's big enough for airpods pros in a case or like a large bulky one like the sennheisers and this will probably be one of those things where like it fits best on this backpack oh yeah but it'll work on anything

that has like a we definitely want to keep our accessories um generic in terms of their compatibility with other bags if we can the last thing you want to do is make something that then is married to i mean okay even if i think these things are going to last you 10 years they're not invincible so if you'd be able to carry on you know some of the accessories to a future bag then great like that even if it's a future bag that we potentially make yeah whether it's us or whether it's someone else like or if you find a a future bag that we potentially make yeah whether it's us or whether it's someone else like or if you find a use for it that isn't even a bag so that's something we're working on another cool one is uh this we recognize that not everyone is necessarily

going to prefer just that that that compartment of holding um as i as i like to call it the the just uninterrupted you know place to stuff everything so this is an accessory that we are currently working on that's going to be called the tech pouch it's built to the same standard of quality as the backpack which means you, we've got entirely unnecessary, like, reinforced stitching on the handle on the end. It uses waterproof zippers, even though, like, come on, get real. This has to be rainproof.

But it does anyway. And then this is really cool. So it opens up into, like, an accordion-style thing that is just chock full of dan are you trying to do something here should i be switching to that camera is that should i be switching to the loop cam yeah here you go so it's got like you know a little spot for pens you know we only have one spot for a pen like a native spot for a pen in the in the backpack as it is uh this is an this is an earlier version we actually already have a newer version than this one that has changed this to either two medium-sized ones

or one big and one small. I can't remember, but I just found this three-by-small configuration was not that useful. I need to take my... You know what? No, it's fine. I'll just leave that in there for now. That is an old-school flash drive. Yeah, I know, right?

These are supposed to be knitteditted so when they're knitted these are going to be stretchy and then this is supposed to be elastic at the top so there's like a stretchy thing here and then you can uh also undo the zipper here there's like a zipper thing basically you can just kind of like cram it with whatever you want uh there's another thing of like uh so this would also be i forget one side's going to be stretchy and one side's not because when you fill up the stretchy side we want it to bulge out and when you fill up the not stretchy side we want it to bulge in so that you can still fit uh the spacing of this elastic here has been changed so that you can kind of put tools in it or

you could put like thumb drives in it you can kind of put whatever you want in it and then it'll also be tighter because right now it's a little loose so once it wears out a bit it's going to have a hard time holding things in place but this is basically exactly the width of the bottom of the the chamber of holding pouch of holding or whatever and it'll be it'll just kind of sit there. And then the idea is that because it's made of that same sturdy reprieve fabric, you just kind of roll up, put it on your desk, and it just stands on its own. You can get whatever you need, put all your stuff back away, whether it's like tools or USB drives or your testers

or whatever it is that you're using, and then you tuck it away. So that's that's something that's something cool um you could also use it for toiletries and stuff like that yeah people have have clued in that yeah it could also be great for travel so we're working on that when when is no idea okay yeah can't promise anything sounds i shouldn't even be showing it to you i i was wondering when you put it over there, I was like, I've never seen this before or heard of it. It'll absolutely work standalone,

but it's kind of made to sit in the backpack. Well, yeah, that's a good idea to do everything that way, right? You could use it without it. You don't even have to use that with a bag, technically. Like you said, it could just be like a travel thing yeah exactly whatever have it in the car question is from brian could the lab possibly do usb hub reviews every one i've purchased has been terrible i think that's a fantastic idea i don't even know where we'd begin. I mean, obviously, you'd want to know how hot it gets when you're pulling the maximum amount of power that it can support.

You'd want to know what its internal inefficiencies are. So if you could test how much power you could draw with a device that's actually plugged in on the other side of it, you'd want to create some kind of like a torture test, right? Where you have, you know, data streaming over, like, let's say it was a USB-C hub, right? That has HDMI and also, you know, USB type A's or something. So if you have some kind of data storm going on over the USB ports,

does the HDMI cut out? You know, I'd want to know things like that. Yeah. That is a good question because that's one of those types of things where like, if you go on like Amazon or whatever, and you want to buy one, there's just like a billion of them. And how are you supposed to know that the brand recognition isn't going to be there? It's from like 30,000 brands you've never heard of. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That would be one of the things that I would like there to be some kind of like answers for. Yeah, if we could find a way, I'd love to.

Because it's, man, I get so frustrated. I get so frustrated. We went through this with dash cams recently. We actually have a video coming where we bought every $100 and under high, like the top $100 and under dash cams on Amazon. Because I just, I went on the site, I'm like, I don't understand. Most of these reviews are obviously fake,

but they all are rated pretty well. And even some of the real users seem to say like, it's really good. So why do $300 dash cams so why would why do 300 dash cams exist if there are 70 dash yeah like it was just it was overwhelming even as a as a tech savvy person it was absolutely overwhelming so i kind of went well conveniently i'm in a position where i can commission my own independent test i need a freaking dash cam uh you buy all the dash cams and then let's share our findings with the people so that video is coming pretty soon but that's actually cool i will i will genuinely very likely buy one based off that video that's

the type of things that i like where like to be completely honest uh they're almost more interesting to me than computer stuff reviews because at this point i can often like suss out what i need to know about computer hardware but when it goes into something like dash cams like usb hub stuff like that i'm just like i don't know even something like a thumb drive yeah okay i still need a thumb drive for whatever reason i gotta carry around a lot of isos who knows whatever uh how do you know if it's good which one which one's good yeah cables cables are gonna be huge that's that's gonna be the main like tertiary product thing that's i'm i'm very excited about about the cables well the ones that we're planning to make or the testing the testing mostly to be

completely honest yep but then i'm hoping that the ones that we make are like some of the best ones that come through testing I should hope so If they're not then we suck and we need to start over See this is Hilarious Scally over in Twitch chat says Garmin makes decent Dash cams. No they don't See I would have thought that too

Garmin's like a brand name right Like they're a trusted name That is a direction that I would likely go in Exactly And instead no it turned out it just cost another Like they're a trusted name. They made like GPSs or whatever. That is a direction that I would likely go in. Exactly. And instead, no, it turned out it just cost another $10, $20 and was not better at all. Alrighty then. Great.

Now I know, but I didn't. And it's so hard to tell because your intuition might tell you this, but then when you go empirically test it and you go, oh yeah, I can't see jack at night oh great well it's good to it's really good to know isn't it no for sure oh well really everyone's using everyone's using one of the same two chinese chipsets oh all right then that's interesting that's very interesting that's not something that you're gonna be able to easily figure out in any other way no no not at all you're gonna you're gonna tear down some uh

some fanboy fences with that one i think there's already people charming and like the anchor garmin whatever and it's like we'll see yeah we'll see we'll cobra the related to that uh aya asked if there's any plans for the labs to release a spreadsheet list or ranking chart for the products you test whether it's paid or free uh yeah i don't know we still i still have to sit down with a lot of people from labs that that have experience at um related um websites uh and and figure out exactly what we're going to do because we've been waiting to get development on staff. But there was paperwork signed. Really? Okay. Done deal. Love to hear it. So very soon, it'll technically be before that person actually starts. But I want to get these

meetings started anyways. And he's volunteered. So we're going to have a call just to go over some of the roadmapping stuff before he actually starts so that we can start doing design so that we can start hitting it hard right when he's actually full full time can i tell you something wild sorry hold hold that thought i want to hear the rest of that that what you're about to say thing you manage a larger team now than i did when we moved into this building nice and there's a lot more coming larger team now than I did when we moved into this building. Nice. And there's a lot more coming. By the way, if you just heard that contract thing. Yeah, buy backpacks.

Sorry. Yeah, fair. If you just heard that contract thing and you're like, what? I didn't get it. I'm still working on it. I need a few of you guys, not just one. So, yeah. still working on it i need a few of you guys not just one so yeah in summary yes our intention in the longer i mean screw it should i just should i just bring up the doc no no no no no no no no

no no no no i'm serious do not There are things on there we're not showing. No. Close it. No, I'm serious. I'm getting a maybe vibe. I will switch off. I will switch the camera off his screen. I'm getting a maybe vibe.

I'm getting a maybe vibe. No. What do you think? Okay, can I at least talk about MVP? Yes. Okay, I'll tell you what. Why I at least talk about MVP? Yes. Okay, I'll tell you what. Why don't you talk about MVP? Okay, okay.

I thought you were going to say, why don't I just show that part of the screen? Yeah, why don't I just show that part? No! The MVP. The chat's screaming, do it. Oh my goodness. Is someone calling me to prevent this?

Line is speaking. I don't know what this is. Nope, definitely spam. That's a hilarious spam call. It started with, yo, we're all out of vaccines. And then I hung up because it was obviously

very stupid. I was going to say, MVP is minimally viable product. Sure, yeah. It's not technically 100% locked down. The general features are, which is what's on that sheet, but exactly what the site will actually look like is not 100% locked down. We still have to nail

that in but it's so you want me to read it or do I need to share this with you or like share it with me okay I'm not gonna share with you it's it's mostly I actually might have to see it yeah you can there you go yeah it's essentially like a the thep to be completely honest is essentially like a really fancy blog um because that's i mean that's what it is right you're you're reading so there will be there will be reviews we're going to try to make sure that the the search is very strong um the the fuzziness of the search is very good um so you can find things that you're looking for that's there's all going to be categorized to some degree we want to be able to generate and display graphs and tables obviously which already sort of works it just needs to work on the website as well we can't be painstakingly you know graphing things and making tables by hand

like we do on the video production side of things and yeah they might not be as pretty but they need to be fast i'm going to be taking in goals and desires from a lot of different people on the on the technical side of labs so we can figure out what they want on the website i can tell you one of the really wild things they want um i i had a chat with gary recently or someone did somehow this this floated back to me and apparently the target maximum throughput for headphone testing is 50 a month oh yeah so hopefully you guys are ready to store a lot of data well that's yeah that's and graph it yeah yeah i just mean like that's a freaking lot of headphones yeah that's fine what are there even that many headphones like i think you're gonna run out of headphones yeah

i think we're gonna run out of headphones before we run out of testing throughput. What was I going to say? Yeah, but so one of my two, okay, two core concepts that I'm going to try to champion. One of them is that it needs to not be like overwhelming and intimidating when you land on the website. Yeah. And when you're looking through the website, to be honest, be deep hardcore information but it should feel accessible um it should you shouldn't hit land on the website be like oh my goodness this looks like a ui from the 90s we're gonna trick you into thinking you can handle this data pretty much yeah but like actually though we want to make it a

comfortable experience to dive really deeply into something, to encourage people to actually take that extra step. So that's one of my things. The other one is I want the CMS to be really strong. The CMS is actually extremely important because I don't want someone to have to spend their whole freaking day building these articles because they, because I don't know if we're writing individual articles for each one of those 50 headphones that we're testing a month um what's all this no you're good you're good um so the cms has to be pretty strong if we're if we're building a little thing like a graph or whatever it should be very easy to add that not labor intensive as few clicks as possible that type of stuff.

So there's going to be a lot of work in that regard. We want to have product browsing by category, by tags, by search. We want to have pictures and videos embedded. We obviously want to have affiliate links working because they got to pay for this. It's so expensive. Yeah.

We shot a video this week. Oh man, I'm excited for you guys to see this thing have you seen the psu tester we bought i have heard that it was purchased i have not seen it it's here it arrived on i think it was tuesday or wednesday and we did our unboxing video which is an uncrating because it's taller than you are it's an entire 40u cabinet uh-huh uh-huh full of ac load generation dc load generation oscilloscopes um uh loads themselves so you need like the you need the power supply and then you also need the loads uh logging uh like monitoring and logging uh hardware it's it's it's packed it is stuffed to the gills it's apparently a better one than sea sonic has yeah and they're an actual sonic

power supply manufacturers manufacturer yeah like a lot of your favorite power supplies are probably once you go down to it see sonic expirer asks bigger than the one gamers nexus got yeah definitely it's big we go big or we go home it's good we had the land when we did because you guys are going to fill that space up pretty quick pretty quick considering the anechoic chamber was just like leaning against the wall the whole time i had to point that out to a couple people because i guess when it's deconstructed people don't necessarily recognize what it is um but yeah that was uh that was pretty that was pretty crazy here i can i'll show you uh i'll show you the company that we got it from there has been a lot of mentions about getting electro boom to come check out the uh space once it's set up yeah i mean sure i'm down for whatever so yeah it's basically like

one of these so they're highly configurable kyle actually uh went through a whole did a whole bunch of research working with uh c sonic and i believe you know i'm not sure who else he talked to so i'm not going to name anyone else but working with Seasonic as well as engineers from Chroma to ensure that we have exactly what we need for the ultimate, the ultimate configuration for testing PC power supplies, because they make gear for testing all kinds of stuff, batteries, any kind of power system.

And the only piece that we don't have yet, the only piece that was not included in our 133 000 us dollars was an oscilloscope so once we get the scope in the front of it it's that price tag goes goes up a little bit goes up a little bit oh boy uh no we're not going to be blowing any breakers The plug on it is like this big It's got it's own special plug There's a lot of power in that building Yeah

Oh there's tons of power in that building I mean we ran like a 200 plus person land in there No problem Whatever you know no problem Well that's crazy Yeah I can't wait man We're going gonna be able to churn through like the capability the capabilities of this thing are so cool the ac the ac power source for example you can get it to run automated scenarios for things like okay uh what's it like if you're on you know a really crappy uh setup and someone like flicks

on a blender somewhere else in the house so you can find out you know hey if i if i live some if you know in a developing country and my power is really inconsistent there's brownouts frequent brownouts yeah so you can you can create all these test scenarios where it'll it'll simulate a brownout here and then another brownout there and then uh you know uh uh a really a really um i'm trying to remember what the problem is certain types of motors though when they spin up they can cause problems for other devices that are on the same circuit so you can have those spin up um the dc oh man this is super cool so the we have a we have like a dc uh power source and the reason for that is that it allows us to fake our power supply accidentally over supply like overvolting so we can we can take whatever our power supply is

outputting and we can actually add a little bit to make sure that overvoltage protection works, for example. So we're going to be able to test safety mechanisms in power supplies. If there's anything that's not safe, we can hook it up, run through our automated test suite, and it'll tell us that. We're going to build a chamber for it that will be both acoustically isolated and thermally isolated. So we'll be able to tell you, okay, under different load scenarios, how loud is it going to get? How efficient is it going to be if it's in a particularly hot environment as the world heats up? I guess that could become more and more of a concern for people.

And this one's really cool we have i think it was it's either six or seven of the 400 watt loads and the reason that we got so many was actually not because we needed that much sustained load but because of the their like transient performance so by having that many in parallel, we are able to simulate the effect of an RTX 3090 having a momentary power draw spike. Now, NVIDIA might have kind of screwed us here with some even higher power draw GPUs coming.

Oh, yeah. But I mean, we won't know that for sure until it actually happens. So we might actually have to get more of those modules. There was a comment for that. There's a comment in Flowplane chat about hoping that we don't

like squeeze Steve out. That's not going to happen. Well, you need multiple independent sources. So if anything, it should bolster because then people are going to be looking for that type of content exactly we're bringing it back yeah bringing it back and we have dead literally always said um that you should look at multiple reviews for

products that you're buying so like no that's that's not happening not a thing i mean another thing too is that yeah this is pointed out by dafoid over on in the floatplane chat is we don't intend to just focus on pc components i mean one of our first hires has a ton of experience in mobile phone testing uh so that's i mean that's not something steve touches as far as I can tell at all. In fact, doesn't he still use like a dumb phone or something? I know last time I talked to him, he used like ancient, ancient phone. I just don't think he cares about it at all. So, so we are, we are absolutely going to be looking at different verticals. And we also think that even for the things we both cover, there is, and yeah, a lot of situations, validity to more than one testing methodology too.

So, you know, maybe, maybe one of us, you know, tests coolers with an artificial load. Maybe one of us is all about, you know, embedding a thermal diode in the IHS. Maybe, you know, whatever, right? Like, and to be clear, that's a bad example, because obviously, we would both care about it from both perspectives. But I just mean that there's not always the one and only single way to test something. I mean, okay, games, games are a really good example. Maybe, you know, we really feel like yeah our audience has moved past 1080p so we're really focused on how good cards are for 1440p and up you know that that could be something that could realistically happen in the next two to five years or if we start automating the if we start

automating custom benches instead of uh or custom runs instead of just running the the canned benchmarks or something like that i don't know more more sources is good you should you should read slash watch both yes and we've literally always said that so yeah one note for people who are thinking about the backpack we do have a promo on right now for the wan hoodie and backpack so if you get a wan hoodie and a backpack at the same time you save 20 and that's only valid until tomorrow evening so no pressure but uh you should do it question here from nathan for luke and lin. What is your favorite piece of freeware

or open source utility software, like Nine Knight or something else? Favorite piece of freeware? I mean, we're streaming on OBS right now. I was going to say, I think it sort of has to be OBS. Well, I wouldn't say favorite. I don't have an emotional attachment to OBS. There's a lot of stuff that's not that perfect.

I imagine it didn't exist. OBS. There's a lot of stuff that's not that perfect. I imagine it didn't exist. I mean, I was using XSplit before and it had some problems, but I actually kind of want to try it again, to be perfectly honest with you. See where it's currently at. Yeah, see where it's at. They've sponsored the show a couple of times and it kind of made me think oh yeah xplit i mean i have a lifetime license for it i might as well maybe i'll do like a game stream at home or something like that fire up xplit see how it does play some play some uh obsidian when it worked well for me it worked great or divinity sorry yeah like there were things that xplit did way better detection was so sick back in the day. Yes. Yeah. And OBS still sucks. We also had a lot of problems with it.

We did. But that was a long time ago. And the WAN PC had a lot of gremlins. I don't know how much of that was XSplit. That's fair enough. Honestly. So, man, favorite free utilities. I mean, you can't not mention your paint.nets of the world.

Paint.net, Notepad++, Nineite. Winderstat. Putty. Someone said Putty. Yeah, Putty. 7zip. Oh, there's so many good ones. VLC.

You already said Notepad++, right? Yeah. Okay, heck yeah. Love Notepad++. I actually... I used to do that thing. I think I told you about it way back in the day, where you can overwrite all the...

You can essentially regedit Windows, so anytime you even try to open notepad it just opens notepad plus plus that's hilarious i don't remember exactly how it works so i might have said something wrong there but it was actually really nice because you should just never use notepad you should use notepad plus plus i thought about uh resurrecting lsd remember oh yeah luke software discoveries yeah yeah um chocolatey is apparently a nine-eight alternative that's like way more resurrecting LSD. Remember? Luke's software discoveries? Chocolaty is apparently a 9-8 alternative that's way more powerful, way more customizable. So I thought maybe we'd check that out.

And then I found something really cool. Oh no, did I misplace the name of it? Chocolaty software. Okay, I can't find the name of it right now. I have it written down somewhere. But this is so... This blew my mind. There's this utility that lets you turn your USB drive bootable,

which I know won't impress you yet. But turn your USB drive bootable so that it just loads like a list of all the ISOs that you've drag and drop onto that USB. That's cool. So it's like the ultimate utility USB. That's sweet, actually. I really like that. You just literally drag and drop your memtest ISO, your Windows install ISO, and then you

just plug this thing in and it just goes, which one would you like? This one. That reminds me a lot of like- So cool. No, it's not Rufus. Ventoy, that's the one. Geek Squad used to have this tool that was actually really good. And I don't remember the name of it,

but this was back in the day when every computer had a CD drive. So they were on CDs and you could like burn the like Geek Squad tool onto these CDs. And people used to effectively like sell them outside of Geek Squad because they were so good they were actually valuable and like local repair shops would buy the updated versions of these like

geek squad cds that were bootable and they had uh like mem tests and like all these other types of things on them right it was just all arranged really nicely yes yeah yeah yeah god it was nice like in one place but yeah ventoy is what it's called super super cool little tool yeah that's sweet all right what else we got from i think we brought down ventoy's website oh man mri yeah geek squad mri that way back in way, way long ago, that used to be really genuinely good. I have no idea if it even exists anymore. But it was awesome back in the day. From Aiden, any updates on the big, tall, or women's sizes?

Hirons Bootsy. No. We've got a lot we got a lot of stuff going on yeah a lot of stuff going on there's always like man it's it's kind of amazing how many projects they have rolling right now for how few people work at creator warehouse relatively speaking a lot of stuff going on yeah yeah apparently geek squad still uses mri and it's still pretty cool all right that's actually good to hear because i know they've like outsourced a lot of their repair and stuff like you just plug the computers into a network connection and then people fix them remotely and stuff which kind of made me really sad um but the fact that MRI is still cool is pretty sweet.

Also, Hirin's boot CD and all that type of stuff. There's lots of cool things. Yeah, I don't know. I'd be super down. From Dominic. Hey, Linus. I noticed wrist rests for keyboards are super boring. Have you ever thought of creating your own wrist rest

in the typical L2T quality and style we all know and love? Why are you going to read it like that so far over the top dude in all seriousness yeah we've thought about it but the way that i see it the the custom keyboard market is so saturated there are so many players there's there's so many boutique wrist rests and keyboards and cables and all that stuff that I just. I feel like we just kind of be adding to the noise at a certain point, and the reason that it's occurred to me to make that product is because my wife is an avid wrist rest user. wrist rest user she uses a steel series 7g which has that super long wrist rest on it and she just basically won't touch any other keyboard because it really is way better and so if we were going to do one it would probably be in that long gently inclined style and she also uses a wrist rest for her mouse but i think the mouse one would be more likely just because there are so many options for keyboard rest rests due to the explosion in enthusiasm for mechanical keyboards and super

cool keyboards a mouse rest rest i could actually see us exploring because the razor one that she's been using all these years it's it's kind of. I was going to say, is it like, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty gross at this point. There's, you maybe just haven't looked in the right spots or maybe deep enough or whatever, but there's a lot of options for wrist rest. I have this wooden one right now that's pretty sweet that I got from my mom for Christmas. And I like like it but it wasn't like sealed super well yeah i know i i know it's wearing out yeah so it's just like dang because it's it aesthetically is really nice in my opinion and then now it's actually yeah um

and then it's it's i find it quite comfortable i actually like that it's just solid wood i know not everyone would like that but i i do um but yeah it's it's like. I actually like that it's just solid wood. I know not everyone would like that, but I do. But yeah, I'm wearing through it pretty rapidly. So that's the only disappointing part. Now that's an interesting idea. If we were to do a wooden one, instead of using a stain like they did, I think I know the one you're talking about.

It's kind of reddish, right? Is that the land? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead of using a stain, if we used something like a Danish oil, then we could just like, man, I bet we could just do like a little, like a little bottle of it included. Yeah, a little maintenance kit.

That would be sweet. So that, because it will wear away a little bit. But when it does with something like a Danish oil, you just recoat it and it will actually match the surroundings even. Like it'll still look like new that would be awesome that'd be pretty sweet okay maybe we'll do it i'd be interested in that i would genuinely like yeah i if there

was that option and it was advertised as like look it looks like this it will change over time because it's wood and your hands are on it all the time yeah you can maintain it here's how and we're going to include some that would have that would have sold me at the time pretty much for sure huh yeah okay all right all right i'll think about it think about it yeah uh i did

get a message from one of our labs folks i don't know is uh is is he off probation yet this particular one uh i think as of like a day or two after the land yeah okay all right so well do you know that for sure not technically 100 okay then i'm not i'm not going to say it just in case but uh one of our software developers for the lab says read the usb hub testing question that came up. Yes, we can. And Gary and I have already had a chat around testing USB power banks, et cetera, as well. That's something that I really want to know because you buy these things, they say however many milliamp hours they are, but we all know that even on something like an iPhone,

and Apple, for all their faults, does have pretty strict quality control even on something like an iphone i think is it plus or minus five percent it's quite a bit for the battery capacity yeah like what i'm sorry what do you mean plus or minus five percent so on something that you know might handle a screen on time of you know eight nine hours you mean my friend might get an extra hour if i get the worst one and they get the best one that's ridiculous i also i have some battery banks that are still working from like 2013 that i have thrashed and they're still like they have a

decent amount of charge like i'm very impressed with some of them and then i have a small army of other battery banks that are essentially like decommissioned because they've just completely died. Yeah, this is another perfect example of one of those techie product categories that even as someone knowledgeable, you can go in and go, well, I know the reviews are horse shit.

I know that the specs are horse shit. So I'm basically just like taking a complete shot in the dark hoping that i hit something decent yeah and there are brands that have built a reputation over the years brands like an anchor for example i expect to be better most my anchor ones are pretty solid but you know good brands can release a bad product or they can, sorry, or they, or they can turn bad, right? You can have a good, a brand that starts out good and then leverages that trust that they've built with their audience to start cranking out crap.

We've seen, certainly seen that time and time again. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'm, I'm super into that. That sounds great. yeah i'm i'm super into that that sounds great and then dead dude over on floatplane chat says hey and remember too that the milliamp hour rating even on an honest company spec is based on the battery capacity not what it will output at the ports yes that is true uh it also doesn't account for oh i guess this is kind of the same thing so any inefficiencies that exist

within the design of the bank, any loss, well, there you go. Also, some batteries will actually discharge at a less efficient, in a less efficient manner if they are discharging quickly compared to others. So depending on the chemistry, depending on the quality of that particular battery, if you use slow trickle charging versus fast charging one or another could perform dramatically different yeah

there's so much boy is there ever a lot to it uh eternal salt says like pyrex when that chinese mega company bought them out i actually didn't know that pyrex got bought and i didn't i don't know if the quality has gotten worse i i heard that they got bought out. I have no idea about the quality. Interesting. Because I mean, the old school stuff lasts forever. Yeah, literally forever. Yeah, I don't know. There's some people saying beeswax seals wood really well against like hand oils and stuff. Oh, interesting. Well, that's cool. I'm sure the Creator Warehouse engineer team would figure out what the best option would be. Too bad there are not going to be any bees.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's sad. Yeah. Yeah. From Benjamin, next question. Hello, from Germany. Do you think the escalation with China and Taiwan could crash the entire tech industry?

Yes. Sure could. Like, immediately. Overnight, sure could. Because basically, TSMC is by far the largest player for chip fabrication, particularly advanced chips. Samsung is a distant second, if I recall correctly,

or is Intel still ahead of them? But then Intel, until they really ramp up their third-party fabrication strategy, is not really doing that. As far as I know, they're mostly fabbing their own products as it stands right now. And TSMC, it's right in the name is in taiwan so looking at the the chip race that's going on right now you look at the chips act in the u.s you look at the way uh china has been uh fighting to get their hands on high-end lithography equipment. I forget what that Chinese state-owned basically chip fabber is. I forget the name, but I think they're doing up to 14 nanometer right now,

and they're trying to get their hands on more advanced stuff. Look at the way this technology arms race is ramping up right now because it's so obvious that next-generation weaponry, unless it is ai powered is going to be utterly useless um and the incentive that china has to just claim taiwan um is higher than ever you know up until now it seems like it's been mostly an emotional incentive to claim the island

nation but there's big industry yeah but now with what a technological hub taiwan is i i i can only see it going up smic that's the one thank you uh thank you floatplane chat they fired missiles over taiwan like a couple days ago yeah well there was the whole thing with uh nancy pelosi visiting taiwan which i gotta say um not a huge fan nancy pelosi of a weird move given the you know um profiting that her husband technically i guess um has has done uh with like uh through chip stocks and and not definitely not insider trading um you'd think they wouldn't want to disrupt the tech industry but then you know who knows maybe they're shorting it now i don't i don't know definitely not insider trading. You'd think they wouldn't want to disrupt the tech industry. But then, you know, who knows, maybe they're shorting it now. I don't know. Inferno says nobody likes

Nancy Pelosi, to be frank. I mean, yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's fair. Moving on. We've got another question from Liam, wondering what your take is on the hasbro selfie series where you use an app to take pictures of your face then hasbro sends out and has your face made into a custom action figurehead uh well hasbro selfie series is that is that pulse what's oh hold on i... Yeah, here we go. I thought I searched for this. What happened? Create your own custom action figure. Choose your location.

Not Canada. Okay, then. Sure, I'm German today. Make room on your shelf. And it's English, of course. For yourself. Sure, I'll take your cookies. That's actually a really good tagline. New Rangers Look at this Boba Fett in disguise

How's my face on this I think you need to do the US Because the page change we did Germany Might not be available I clicked on US That is definitely not the green and Black Ranger from the show that I watched, so this has got to be it, right? Maybe there's been a new show.

What's the Lightning Collector? Yeah, but no, these look like the retro uniforms, though. This is definitely the retro Megazord. Should we show Luke's green? Yeah, I think you're totally off. I think you're totally off. So this is the Hasbro selfie series, not what you were just looking at. This is the tagline that I not what you were just looking at this is the

tagline that i liked a lot make room on your shelf for yourself i think that's hilarious okay that's pretty good it's pretty classic they have this thing which is i guess trying to represent you getting scanned yeah and then just a stay in you know stay in the know thing nothing really going on this one-of-a-kind experience will be launching in fall 2022 exclusively on the hasbro pulse mobile app for fans aged 16 and older in the u.s only so that's yeah that's why it didn't show all right why did they even give me the option to go to germany then who knows uh sign up below for the exclusive selfie series mailing list would you do it um do you get an action figure of yourself i mean i could see myself just being like well uh then again i don't i don't know hard to say i don't actually buy that

much well yeah kind of stuff yeah i could definitely see a lot of people doing it though oh yeah like this is this is next level like genius tier product management i think if hasbro really wants to pop off with this they should let people merchandise them oh like like offer like a bulk rate you know what i think the way they're going to be manufacturing these though they're going to be inherently like low volume i i don't think it'll there'll even be much of a savings yeah i don't know i just i just think there's there's creators out there that would want to sell like an action figure of themselves hasn't hasbro already done partnerships like that though i think so i don't know but if they if maybe if they use this to like widen that okay flow plane chat

reminds me that I already have multiple 3D printed action figures of myself. Yes, but I don't think you made those for yourself. I didn't buy them for me. Yeah, so that doesn't count. Oh, as a gift though, I could see myself buying someone an action figure of themselves. Yeah, for sure.

Okay. I thought you were going to say as a gift, you could see yourself buying them an action figure of you and giving it to them. and I was going to be like whoa I could see him doing that come on come on

it's like dang dude okay that's brutal no what do I think of it I think they're geniuses I think as long as they can make the economics work they're gonna sell so freaking many of these yeah why not i i assume they'll start with just faces and then from there you'll actually be able to like you know design what you're what you're want to be wearing and all that kind of stuff i guarantee you you're gonna see some wedding cakes

oh yeah with action figures oh yeah on top um especially with with the way that like marvel's been popping off and stuff the whole like superhero action figure thing is like totally yep 100 and the number of people that do like a star wars themed wedding or one that i saw recently because i was i was checking out covers of the Romantic Flight song from the soundtrack of How to Train Your Dragon. There are some amazing, amazing covers of it. Anyway, I saw someone had it as they had a live orchestra at their wedding playing How to Train Your Dragon music

while they walked up to the altar. No kidding, right? But anyway, with that in mind, how realistic would it be to have Astrid and Hiccup with the heads of the bride and groom on top of the cake? Obviously, by the time you hire an orchestra, you know, what's a custom figurine from Hasbro? 99, 99, easy.

Forever, right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I could totally see people manufacturing like landfill like that.99, easy. Forever, right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I could totally see people manufacturing landfill like that. It's good. I read a really interesting article recently, actually. I don't think I talked about this on WAN Show. I think I was talking to you about it at some point, though,

about how one of the big industries that is just popping off right now is junk removal. Because millennials have like no space and baby boomers had nothing but space and a compulsive desire to acquire and so as they are downsizing or passing away there's just this there's this mountain this veritable mountain of garbage that the next generation either doesn't want or has absolutely nowhere to put and and this generation of people that are like yeah we accumulated this bone china and i'm sitting here like i was in i was in thrift store the other day picking up like cheap archie comics for my kids and I was like I was looking at all the like the fine China gold leaf

stuff I'm like who the fuck want any of this are you like are you for real this is worth nothing now right and this is like a prized possession for silent generation or for for your baby boomers out there. Oh, we we won't eat on this because it's like the nice. It sits in the cupboard and never gets taken out until no one wants it. Now, give me some Melmac, is it called? Is that what that like super cheap? Yeah, Melmac. Yeah, melamine from american cyanamid here let's you and I have talked about fast fashion before yeah here we go my girlfriend told me

about this website give me some melmac this is my childhood right here boys yeah definitely okay my girlfriend told me about this website I'm probably going to pronounce it incorrectly but sheen sheen shine sheen bell recognizes it yeah I think it's sheen sheen there's I'm probably going to pronounce it incorrectly, but Shein. Shein? Shine? Shein? Belle recognizes it.

Yeah, I think it's Shein. Shein. There's like $8 shirts. Pants for $6. Oh, yeah. There's no way these things last beyond like a season. A hundred percent. And like, I don't know.

Yeah, it is super cheap. It is super cheap. It definitely has that going for it. And they like look relatively trendy and stuff. Yeah, it is super cheap. It is super cheap. It definitely has that going for it. And they look relatively trendy and stuff. Yeah, fast fashion is brutal. But like, whoa. Environmental disaster. Oh, yeah.

Actually, there's this whole thing how the donated clothes, they have too much of it. Yeah. There's just like mountains of donated clothes. I don't have anyone to give it to. Like, okay. yeah they're just like there's just like mountains of donated clothes i don't have anyone to give it to like okay brutal man there's gotta be stuff that you can just like make out of it like just shred it and like make stuff you know like it can't be that hard can it i think you'd have a lot of inconsistency in like fabric quality and stuff like that yeah and getting back down to like string is going to be basically impossible no you wouldn't you know no it wouldn't be to get back down to string you would just like like i oh okay like for example that insulation that we have

that's made out of uh recycled blue jeans where they just shred jeans and then just like turn it into like blue jean cake that you stuff in your walls like it i mean that's pretty much what it is um yeah i don't know i think i think in like shirts and stuff it's going to be more inconsistent though yeah no i don't think you wouldn't be able to make shirts oh oh you mean just like the materials in them i mean i don't know here's a question if it cost half as much and there was a chance that from one bat to the next the performance was going to be plus or minus you know never mind five percent like we were talking about for batteries i'm talking 25 would you just would you buy would you buy fabric fabric insulation that's just like

ah screw it some shirts yeah it's like i don know, it's made of shirts. There's some skirts in there. A few buttons. Oh, man. Maybe. You got to find something to do with it. Yeah, used clothing ends up in landfills. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. That's bad.

Question here from Luke. Hi, Linus. I do cell phone repair. That's not really a question, Luke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got him. What's going on, Luke? Classic Luke. Hi, Linus. I do cell phone repair. That's not really a question, Luke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got him. What's going on, Luke? Classic Luke. But I was also curious if when Labs is up and running fully, there'll be any testing of durability of mobile devices

or teardowns like iFixit does. I don't think that we are going to get into either of those. Durability testing is not useful on a sample size of one, and quite frankly, it's is not useful on a sample size of one. And quite frankly, it's not even useful on a sample size of 10. We showed back when we toured OnePlus's manufacturing facility that what it takes is specialized equipment, whether it's for drops or whether it's for tumbles, that is run on many, many devices devices and they have the luxury of many many disposable

devices to chuck into these things that are not finished quality right that might have engineering sample grade socs in them for example like they literally couldn't sell them is ready to test exactly or they could make dummy ones that have exactly the same body and they can investigate it for screen cracking without actually wasting hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of internal hardware on them. We just don't have that kind of a luxury. And that's the kind of thing that, you know what, hey, three to five years from now, if the community said, we want this, we might even create a system. Actually, this is a really good idea. We should

write this down. But we could create a system where our community could fund, could specifically fund specific tests. They could say, hey, we want to see 10 iPhones in a tumble dryer. And then we would basically build a mechanism where they could, we could say like, look, we're not gonna no, we're not paying out of pocket for that. There is no way that we could make up that $10,000 worth of iPhones

on this video or this article or just this data sheet, right? It's not happening. But if you guys really want to see it, then sure, yeah, we're not happening. But if you guys really want to see it, then sure. Yeah, we're into it. Uh, we could even see manufacturers potentially funding something like that. Like if you're a, um, no, I don't know. That'd be tough. That'd be tough. Like if I'm an Otterbox and I just said, Hey, I want independent third-party testing of how well the iPhone holds up to this

thing. There's no way that they're going to just write the check and walk away and not expect us to also test OtterBoxes, for example. So that's, man, that's tough. Is that an acceptable thing? As long as they don't interfere with our data and as long as as part of our agreement, we basically say, yeah, you got to understand that once you write the check, we're publishing the data regardless of the outcome

i don't think it's bad to test autoboxes i could see us doing it for ltt but i don't think that's something that the lab would just do and publish the data so that's something where ltt could use the lab yeah that's where i would kind of draw the line there. That seems fair. Yeah. Question here from William. Hi, Linus. Oh, sorry. No, I'll get to that. One sec.

As for iFixit, I think they do a great job. I don't think we'd be contributing anything to that particular space at this time. Low priority. We love iFixit. From William. Hi, Linus. In one of your at-home videos, I saw a Zuma plush in your kid's playroom.

Is Zuma your favorite Paw Patrol pup Or do you prefer a different one I can't say that I have a favorite pup But I can definitely recite The intro theme song From my kids watch Thankfully they're over Paw Patrol at this point They're um They don't really watch much TV lately actually

Now that I think about it. They'll watch Wild Kratts if they're just like down to. Never even heard of that. Never heard of Wild Kratts? I've heard of Paw Patrol, but not Wild Kratts. The Kratts Brothers? Yeah. Like Zabuma Fu?

Oh, okay. I know Zabuma Fu. Sure. Okay. I don't know what the heck Zabuma Fu is, but. Oh, wow. Zabuma Fu's legit, dude. Okay.

You don't know the good stuff. Well. It's a boom food legit, dude. Okay. You don't know the good stuff. Well. This question's from Ryan, but we've had a couple people ask if we had any information

about what the backpack's warranty will be now that we've started getting ready to ship out. It's a wonderful question. Right now, we are holding firm with we are not formalizing anything, but we will stand behind our products. I think that we have a pretty good track record for just kind of dealing with it. The last thing that I would want to do is create some kind of legal liability for...

I don't know what the future holds, right? Like, I could die tomorrow. And let's say, let's say my, you know, my, my, my muse, my, my, my flame, Yvonne, is like, I can't do this. Like, I can't walk in every day and, you know, see Linus all over the place. And she's just like, yeah, I can't, right? That's possible. And I respect that. So the last thing I want to do is create some kind of legal obligation, because of some kinds of T's and C's that we have created around our warranty policy, for example. And like and like yeah I guess that does put you guys in a bit of an uncomfortable position but it's not our intention to go away it's not our

intention to do anything about our current policy of just dealing with it but it's not our primary business making backpacks and so the last thing I would want to do is hang this albatross around my family's neck, um, when they're already have other stuff to deal with. So that's where, that's where we're at on that. Question here from Chester. Any suggestions for ethernet cable routing along the inside of brick walls? I mean, other than just running it along the mortar and then using just like plastic drywall anchors,

you kind of drill them out, you put in the anchors, you screw it in so they expand, so they grab on. I mean, I don't know what else to tell you. If the brick wall is painted painted you can paint the cable to match um it's just always gonna look pretty bad yep painting it to match never fully solves that problem you briefly mentioned it in the pre-show so we got a few people asking if there are any new house updates actually we shot two today i was was going to say, I heard you were at home. Yeah, I did away with my 48-inch monitor.

48 inches. It's pretty big. It maybe is too big. So I tried a couple different options. The Alienware 34-inch ultra-wide with the QD OLED screen. It looks so good. But then LG also has the C242-inch, wear 34 inch ultra wide with the QD OLED screen. It looks so good. But then LG also has the C2 42 inch,

which also looks almost as good. Oh, and is bigger. Yeah. But not as big as 48 inches. So that one's going to be pretty good. I also, in that video, we update, you know how I changed my microphone? Yeah.

So I do that in that video. Got it. What else did we do? Oh, and then we also shot one that's about sort of fun, novel, interesting charging solutions. It doesn't sound very interesting, but I will tell you that within the first 10 seconds of the video, you're going to be hooked. Okay. Because I managed to rip a car charger out of the ceiling of my house. And I can't promise that there won't be other shenanigans.

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But if you're if you're not getting a reply from support, eventually, sometimes we do get behind, then something is wrong. That's not how that works. All right. What else we got to talk about today? Should we talk about the tails behind the counter? Do we save that for another time? We can save that for another time.

I want to talk about Amazon buying iRobot. OK, yeah. You have strong opinions about this. My reaction to it was just like, OK, they just moved closer to being an entire country. But yeah, what's up

with yours? Amazon has signed an agreement to purchase iRobot, maker of the Roomba, for $1.7 billion. Almost as much as Twitter loses every year. In specific money talk, it is an all-cash transaction. Wow. For $61 a share. No, that's a big deal. That's a big deal. No, I know. That's why, yeah. Earlier this year, iRobot launched its latest iRobot OS, an AI platform for its vacuums and mops. iRobot OS was designed to separate Roomba from the rest of the vacuums out there.

Amazon has not detailed plans for what it intends to do with iRobot. And the big A actually launched their own smart home robot last year called Astro for $1,000. It could map out floor plans, listen for commands, and recognize faces.

It could not clean. So here is kind of on the surface, you can kind of go, okay, Amazon is buying competent cleaning technology. So that's one thing. But hear me out. What I think is Amazon just wants yet another camera in your house.

Oh, they're also mapping your house. Yet another sensor array that patrols your house and monitors what the heck it is that you're doing and where you're going. Recognize your face. A vacuum definitely needs to do that. What you like to spend your time on. Yeah.

This is brutal. Don't buy it. Please. I mean, you can buy it. No. But like, just know what you're getting yourself into. That's all I ask. That's all I ask.

I ask that you don't buy it. Between Ring, Roomba, Astro, and Echo, that's all i ask i asked that you don't buy it between ring roomba astro and echo amazon will now be able to basically not basically literally follow you around and know exactly who you're talking to about what and what you're doing anytime you are at home isn't that wild super cool very very cool uh yeah that was it that was it i just wanted to kind of laugh at how amazon is basically the buy and large from w Wally at this point. Stop bending over and giving Amazon so much money, please. Thank you. People complain about all these working conditions and stuff,

and they're like, still can't drive to the store, still going to buy everything off Amazon. Yeah. And then I'll go protest Amazon at the same time as supporting them financially as hard as I possibly can at all points in time. I have a Prime membership. Come on, guys.

I know. I know. But it's so convenient for business. Oh, my goodness. I've talked about this too much on Wayne's show. People don't like my spicy Amazon takes. It's fine. I get it, guys.

Just keep supporting them. Eventually, they'll own your house and your car and you, but that's okay. That's fine. No, no. Tesla will own your own your buy the vacuum so that they can track your face because that's definitely required that makes a lot of sense cool anyways uh europeans mad oh we got to tackle it at some point. Yeah, okay. A lot of folks in Europe are mad about the LTT backpack pricing. Amazon has free shipping. Why doesn't LTT store? Okay, well, hold on, hold on.

Don't be condescending. A lot of people don't necessarily... Okay. I know, I was just trying to tie in the Amazon topic. Thank you. For one thing, when we assess tax in the checkout, that's the one time that tax should be assessed. That's not Canadian tax. And then you pay your own country's tax after. If you're

getting assessed tax again, when the package arrives, you need to take that up with the last mile courier because they are doing it wrong. You already paid the tax. To be clear, I don't think the way that we communicate it is the same way that it is normally communicated i'm not necessarily saying that we're communicating it poorly or that we're not communicating it but i think it is abnormal so when i think when people see it they're assuming that it is different okay for another thing so thing number two the expensive shipping we, I believe it is capped at either $50 or $60. On average, looking at our order history and the quotes that we got across many couriers, we really did work hard at this.

Already, our average costs and our average amount that we're charging are subsidized. Sorry, already the costs are higher than what we're actually charging. We are subsidizing backpack shipping to, I believe, everywhere but Canada and the US who are helping us subsidize the other regions, but nominally. So yeah, I think we're eating somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 to $20 on pretty much everything outside of North America per shipment. There just is not more that I can do at that point. Someone on the full plane chat said my shipping was $89. So there is no cap.

You probably had other things in your order. So that was a judgment call that we made on backpack knowing that it wasn't going to be in stock for i believe wave one ships out september 20th by september 20th so we made a judgment call because either we were going to have to hold people's entire order until their backpack was ready and if we did that we would be able to charge one shipping fee, or we were going to ship out everything else on your order and then the backpack separately, which meant that, well, because we were paying for the shipping twice, we have to charge the shipping twice. And there wasn't a way with our limited internal systems right now to have that be a toggle option that people could choose. So we made the call because we know no matter how many

times we say it, no matter how clearly we say it, there are always a very significant number of people who get confused and frustrated when they order something, even though they know one of the items is going to be delayed, whether it's a custom printed shirt or something like that. There are always people who get confused and angry and message customer service and create a ton of work because they haven't received the other items from their order yet. And so we made the call to ship out everything we have and follow up with the backpacks later. So for the backpack itself, there was a completely separate shipping fee assessed. If there is a legitimate problem and you legitimately did encounter something else, then please do message support.

Oh yeah, there was also the sticker controversy. If you ordered a backpack and just free stickers, you got charged shipping for the stickers. We are dealing with that. Yeah, it's being refunded. It's been fixed, so it shouldn't happen anymore. And it's being refunded. So we're taking care of it across the board. What I don't fully remember, and I think some other people might be interested.

What are the complications about setting up distribution from Europe? Do you have to be a company there? Yeah. Yeah. So that's a lot that's like it's not trivial yeah um and so aside from aside from just the cost of running a physical location there uh the logistical nightmare of splitting our inventory there is also the um the the taxation and reporting obligations that come with being now an EU company. We're all of a sudden a multinational. Do you think it's a coincidence that OnePlus started out

as having one location, web only, from which they shipped all phones that charged $300 for a phone to becoming a multinational that has support and service centers in multiple countries that charges $600, $700, $800 for a phone. There's no free lunch. You have to pay for it somewhere. Yeah. Aiden, yeah, go for it. Go for it. But then I'd rather wait. I don't want to pay 2x shipping.

I literally don't know what that means. No, they would prefer to have a single shipment. Oh. Yeah, I get it. Unfortunately, we didn't have a way to do it either way. So we're working on, I mean, we're constantly doing development on our Shopify store. It just takes time. It just takes time.

And we, fortunately, thanks to the amazing support that we've gotten from you guys on Backpack, we have some money that we are spending. We are actively spending on hiring developers. I mean, how many are you hiring right now? A lot. Okay, thank you for that. No more for the store,

but a huge amount of the effort that's gone into store development for a while. The person who does that is in FlowplaneJet right now, I think. I saw him in here recently. A lot of that effort has gone to a big redesign uh that we wanted to happen because we wanted to freshen up the site but also because we need to move on to a new theme um just because of like i mean we don't like own the platform and things are changing and

we're moving to the dawn theme um and that's really good for like a wide range of reasons once we are on the Dawn theme, then we'll start being able to get back to features and stuff specifically for the store. But there's been a very big effort to get us to the new version. Yeah. Aria Lux in Twitch chat asks,

have you ever looked into variable pricing based on location? It might ease shipping costs if it appears not too exorbitant. The problem with that is that it will, for the people who live in areas that are very well serviced by couriers or by their local postal service, it will be a savings. Yep, you're right. Unfortunately, what it will do is it will basically put ordering from LTT Store completely out of reach for people in rural areas.

It generates it's just like the situation we're running into now where the people who are fine with the shipping costs will be fine and they'll be quiet. And the people who are upset because they are at the high end of the shipping costs will be absolutely outraged. And we'll bring that outrage online and into our customer support inbox. And so what are we what are we supposed to like, there's, there's a there's a trade off, no matter which way we do it. Yeah, in a in a perfect world, I would say, yeah, sure. That makes total sense that people should just pay exactly the amount that the shipping cost, maybe with a slight surcharge so that we have a slush fund for running shipping promos or whatever else. Yeah, I'd say something like that makes a ton of sense. But unfortunately, in the real world,

we can't charge $19 for shipping to Vancouver and $362 for shipping to Iqaluit. Sorry, we can't give the middle finger to that customer in a remote region that hard, even though that's how much it costs. I don't know that that exact amount is right, but it is not inconceivable within Canada alone for shipping charges on a product like the backpack

to exceed a hundred Canadian dollars. Easily. So yeah, if you're somewhere where typically you're accustomed to it being cheaper, you're probably subsidizing someone else. Well, we've said that forever, to be fair. That is not new information. Shipping is really expensive. I'm a flanker says one additional warehouse

would cover all of Europe and slash shipping times. I know, but you're not listening. What it wouldn't do is decrease our overall overhead. Our costs would go up. Our prices would just go up. Once we have a physical location in a region, it gets really complicated. Like we will need a team of people to manage it. Right now, the entire Creator Warehouse team is like 10 people. So what? We're going to go hire another team? Well, you're going to pay for it. So I don't know. It's tough. It's tough. There's no perfect answer. We would love to do it.

What I had wanted to do way back in the day was especially back when Hong Kong was so heavily subsidizing international shipping. Like you could get a package shipped from Hong Kong for like a dollar. You could buy stuff. You could buy stuff on like AliExpress or whatever for like $3 with free shipping.

And you're sitting here going, how does this make any sense whatsoever? Well's all state subsidies right um so what i had wanted to do was find a region like that where there's heavy state subsidies and international shipping and just take advantage of that but to my knowledge nobody is really doing that to the same degree anymore yeah and shipping in canada in general is quite brutal yeah yeah canada uh yeah even just shipping something like like you actually mentioned just a minute ago shipping something inside canada not even leaving the borders can be like astronomically shipping something from my house to your house would cost me like 20 bucks exactly i was just gonna say

even if you're not going to a quality or whatever like if if you're going if you're going basically down the street it can still be really expensive and i mean the the reality of it is that the backpack launch was a smash success. So, you know, did we get it perfect? Maybe not, but we did get it pretty good. And if huge shipping costs are a concern for you, but you want to support the channel or whatever else, we do have things that don't weigh as much. Screwdriver is coming really soon.

It's a lower cost item and it's a much smaller item. If you're frustrated with how much backpack costs to ship, something that I would recommend that you do, if you want to understand it a little better at least, is look into the concept of dimensional weight. The backpack itself is not that heavy, but in shipping, because their costs are less to do with the actual weight, unless it's air freight, in which case weight matters a lot, but less to do with the actual weight, but more to do with the dimensions of it.

Backpack is huge and it takes up a lot of space on a pallet. And every time a pallet gets moved, there's a cost. So the farther it goes, the more it costs. And the more of the pallet takes up the more of the overall cost of moving those goods around has to be borne by that one package and this this is some assumptions but i well i am assuming i'm assuming they're correct but i don't know maybe you can correct me because i know in the boxes for the backpacks the backpacks themselves are filled with airbags they are um part of that is keep

their shape because the reprieve fabric is really like strong right and we want it to be in in good quality and in with the proper shape and holding its form so if it gets crushed like really badly like sits crushed crumpled you uh you know it gets delayed in shipping and it sits in a warehouse for six weeks under a giant pile of other stuff uh it could have a hard time bouncing back it is meant to it is meant to retain yeah because there's a lot of other like purses or backpacks or small bags or whatever that will come flat yeah but they're like like tent material yes it's it's very different so it's not made for that yeah yep that's correct have you this is another thing i think you're just reading comments so i'm just gonna keep riffing sure yeah this is this is another thing that i uh had thought of recently is we talk about

this with graphics cards so you release the halo product first have you considered releasing a like ltt backpack light um i i hadn't i i mean the backpack was built to be the one that i want yeah which that's what i want i carry a lot of stuff around and i i like that whether i well whether i like it or not that's my. But I have seen so many requests for it that I feel like we'd be morons to not at least explore it. I can't guarantee anything right now. It's absolutely not something that we have in development at the moment. But we had had people ask about it internally, and we have had so many people ask about it from our audience

that we'd be, yeah, there's just no way we won't at least explore it. Cool. Interesting. Yeah. All right. Want to give us another one, Bill? Sure do. How about a softball? Yes. I'm going to pick a different one then.

Just kidding. This question is from Awale from the LAN event oh hi the event was super fun and i hope we get to focus more on lands at ltx in the future that's not a question luckily they followed up with a question i wanted to ask one thing about head foe testing at the lab oh sure do you have any plans to do frequency response at different volumes versus an equal loudness curve it's something i've always wondered about frequency response at different volumes versus an equal loudness curve. It's something I've always wondered about frequency response graphs. Interesting. I don't know.

That is a tremendous, wonderful question. I don't know that I'll be able to get you an answer back in a convenient way. But what I can do is I can definitely forward that. Actually, I'm going to have Bell forward that to the head of the lab. And that's something that they can at least explore for the creation of our test suites. Thank you for asking. And I'm glad you had fun at the LAN.

I also had fun. The LAN was awesome. Yeah, I had a blast. We should probably talk highlights, hey? Yeah, I'd be down. Beating probably talk highlights, hey? Yeah, I'd be down. Beating everyone. Beating everyone at Left 4 Dead? I mean, okay, that was kind of mean, though.

Was it? We told them it was going to happen. Yeah, we warned them. They all knew. They signed up for that. Yeah, we basically assembled a team, like a crack team of Left 4 Dead players. And I got up on the microphone and said, assemble a squad.

If anyone can beat us, I will give every member of your team a backpack, an early screwdriver, hand built by Kyle, head of engineering at Creator Warehouse, and $250 in store credit at LTT Store. So naturally, teams were assembled. People made the teams, yeah. People signed up for the tournament, and one by one, we absolutely crushed them into the ground. It wasn't even fair. We had Chase, who is just like a mad lad in general and who is really good at left 4 dead we had bell who streamed probably hundreds of hours of left 4 dead back in the day

we've got me i've got 250 300 hours of left 4 dead 1 and left 4 dead 2 under my belt it's been a while but like there's a big difference between having 250 hours of left for dead playing on like public servers and me the vast majority of my hours were with a crew that did nothing but get home from work and play left for dead with some really like legit you sharpen that sword a lot a lot more than just like randomly playing against pubs absolutely yeah and so the vast majority of my hours are playing with that with that crew i have significantly less hours than everyone else that was on that team um by like probably hundreds but uh i've only really played with all of them yeah so and you follow orders

good yeah and your fps skills are yeah that's that's every every once in a while i was you i usually did okay every once in a while if i got like the right zombie characters i'd like top damage or whatever i really my favorite one's the spitter oh spitter so much so much so much fun yeah yeah um and like it's not like linus is quiet so anytime that I'm like not necessarily sure what I should be doing I just like hey where am I going or like whatever and I'll I'll get information quickly but yeah it was good we ended up playing against um like essentially my family and friends in the final so that was weird because like their team name is generally the team name that I'm under.

And we like had to beat them up, which was kind of funny. Had to crush them. It was, it was, there was a few funny moments where like, I would just like take someone out or just like, there was a boomer time where I got all four of them.

And I was just like, there was one time I was a smoker. I was on top of the building. You guys hit them all at the same time. And I 100 to KO i was a smoker i was on top of the building you guys hit them all at same time yeah and i 100 to ko'd someone with the smoker nice and i was like yeah let's go um linus against again my crew did a charger run down a set of stairs and hit literally every single one of them which was awesome yeah it was pretty good it was pretty fun it was good heart i mean as much as i love just crapping all over noobs though i'd say the most fun that i had at the land was halo ce blood gulch you can't you you can't plan we can show the clip i was looking for it just now

okay you i haven't found it, but you cannot plan this out. Okay? You can't have ranked players go into a tournament and set up teams this even. And we basically just, Luke and I started up a lobby. Each of us went to one of the teams, and then we just broadcast

the password on Discord, and people flooded in, randomly populated to the teams we broke it into separate discord chats and i kid you not i have never seen a competition so even in my life we played 8v8 on blood gulch capture the flag three full rounds with neither team scoring a single flag capture and it got close to the end of the fourth one as well. And then finally, finally,

and it was like, it was not because people didn't know what they were doing or weren't following instructions or weren't good FPS players. If anything, it was just that each team had the perfect mix of elite tier players and lower end scrappers. And there was just this, it was like playing Warcraft 1, right? Where the orcs and the humans

are exactly equivalent. Like you would have a swordsman and a, what are they called? Grunts? They're just like swordsman equivalent ish and they would just go uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh and then the last two swords would hit each other at the same time and they'd both die, right?

Like that would actually happen in Warcraft 2 as well. So that was just how every conflict would go down. Both teams would annihilate each other and respawn over and over and over again until finally, finally, the stalemate was broken

by just a fluke lucky situation sick to watch it back if if anyone's in the whale land discord because it's still up uh if you can find the video and post it in general because i can't really find it right now i just don't remember what channel it's in but if you can post it it'd be really cool to show because it's actually crazy like it's it's pretty sweet oh man i was raging out so hard luke uh luke mentioned that i'm not a quiet gamer which is fair i like it i'm not complaining it's just it's a fact so when my driver the driver of my warthog who i asked to take asked very politely and calmly asked luke was actually sitting next to me so he could hear me just like to my mic the whole time i would try not to i would try to mute my mic when i heard you actually

saying commands and if i heard like okay we're going in whatever amount of time, I would not relay that information. I would try not to act on it. But sometimes it was so loud that it would go through other people's mics in the convention. And I would hear you saying it through my headphones from someone else. And I was just like, okay. So I tend to be a bit of a loud boy gamer. We got it.

Okay. Do you want to... I'm going to send it to you on... Post it in the chat? Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. If you send it to me here, I can just play it. Okay, so someone's hiding behind the base.

Okay? And they went, they stole one of the warthogs from that base, happened to pull up right as some lone wolf rogue came out the back of the base with the flag, grabbed them. Like it couldn't have been timed more perfectly

if we were professional players. Where will I find this? I'm just trying to figure out where to send it to you. Oh, the dock. Yeah, the dock is good. Just right at the top. Perfect. So they're coming back and I'm like,

guys, guys, you got to talk. You got to communicate. Communicate. They're like, we got the flag. I'm like, okay, where? Where are you going? What can we do? What can we do to support you? They're like, okay, we're coming back. Like'm like guys guys you gotta talk you gotta communicate communicate they're like we got the flight okay where where are you going what can we do what can we do to support you okay we're coming back like which side where are you coming back like so I'm talking to my

driver I'm like go go go you gotta go go up here my driver bless his heart bless his heart soul mind and body okay drives headlong into the warthog that is coming back after literally an hour of stalemate an hour no one can score okay drives headlong into the warthog that is carrying their

flag back this is an 8v8 we are right next to the portal that comes out of their base. I just... Should be right above Intel slowing down, right above that topic. Okay. I'm getting anxiety just thinking back to it. Okay, here it is. Fortunately, the capper, I believe. Yeah.

Yeah. The capper managed to screen to uh screen record and upload the whole thing so this particular player on our team was kind of playing hide hide up near the base kind of take pot shots or whatever one of the things we were trying to do was accumulate all the warthogs yeah so that we could do like a four warthog push look at this didn't know they were coming because people don't communicate i had no idea in ce you could get in the gunner seat with a flag that also confused the crap out of me a lot of people were shooting at the passenger seat so we're actually missing them nice so this is my hog that drives headlong into them

i didn't see it our hog crashed so i didn't actually see that they landed on all four wheels Nobody talks So I didn't know what the heck was going on We have someone in their base grabbing their flag Who goes out the back Which you would think would be smart But that's actually where they pulled up their flag They like barely make it through

But they cap it Crazy ending Oh man 1-0 after four full rounds It is absolutely wild I mean that's the kind of thing I love at lands is the second that happened the end you could just hear oh yeah just all over the room like you can't oh there's playing online yeah it's fine I guess right you don't get the same uh but it's not the same response and stuff like there's nothing better than dueling someone finishing them off with a headshot and being like

the first round Linus and I were like fighting over kills uh and then one I thought it was me it was oh no I won the second yeah not even close to the first one. You weren't even close. I stopped going for kills because I started realizing no one was ever going to win the game. And I followed suit because their team got way more organized. Yeah, because it was like the respawn timer. I think the shortest respawn timer is like five seconds. And then you have eight people.

And the flag return is instant. If you touch it, it's just gone. So actually getting one and the flag return is instant if you touch it it's just gone so actually getting one of the flags out is really hard um but that's just i mean one of the teams pulled it off just saying just saying i mean one of the teams had a commander who was able to i did make some sus calls here and then your your four Warthog push thing was never going to work, by the way. That's fair. We had beautiful strategies for that. Yeah.

Sneaky boy Warthog, though. We also did not. Sneaky boy with the spring bounce. That's one thing that I think people might not know, is there was grenades and stuff under that hog. If it stayed on the ground it was dead the fact that it got ran into and did a perfect flip in the air and landed with like still having momentum like what was amazing um it's actually such a cool clip i seriously doubt there's clips

that have like the exact same series of events oh and it's an ancient game that people played a ton so that's super cool yeah it was it was awesome man yeah that was that was really sick love land gaming although i think my favorite moment was when i hoodwinked literally everyone at the entire event including me and i was sitting right next to it in the minor vga competition okay minor vga pretty tough game pretty unforgiving game all right we gave people what was it 10 or 15 minutes yeah it wasn't that much to accumulate as much money in their bank account as possible and at the end of it i was like yeah there's no way that anyone's gonna beat beat me at minor VGA. And we actually had someone who did shockingly well. They had what, like 5,000?

It was a lot. Like far and away more than anyone else. Did they win a gaming PC? I think so. Yes, they did. Yeah, they won an absolutely wild prize. Like a sick gaming PC, too. Before I admitted that They won it

I went back to my Machine and I was like I'm gonna win this one And I managed $15,000 $15,000 That's nearly end game For minor VGA I had like all the items I had the four leaf clover

I had the wedding ring I had the condom Okay I had everything that is that is an item that is an item in the game okay you gotta get the condom okay play it safe you know what i'm saying yeah uh so i had the condom and uh you know everyone luke included i was like luke did i cheat he looks over at my computer he's like well not only that i i was playing next to him part way through i'm like man this is really hard because i've never really played before because i knew it was coming but i didn't like practice or anything um and i was like losing money and i thought i was doing the right

strategy but i i wasn't linus told me how to play after that uh but i glance over and he has this amount of money and he's like basically given up. And I was like, what? You have whatever? The thing that convinced me about it was that you didn't seem to care, which was really, that was very smart. Because you just kind of shrugged it off, and you're like, yeah, no one's going to beat me.

And I was like, okay, all right, sounds good. So I was convinced, because I was sitting right next to him, and I never saw him open the VM, because i was focused on trying to learn the game but so i had a game that i had already played for like two hours because i was ripping footage for the upcoming channel super fun where colton and dennis uh attempt to hide in my house again um and the way that the downloader works from the Ubiquiti UI is that you, it breaks up the files and you can only confirm the save location of the file once each one is done. And so I was just stuck sitting at my computer confirming downloads because there's like 200 files or something stupid like that for all the different

cameras and all the time span that we, that we had to record them for. So I was like, ah, screw it. I'll, I'll play minor VGA in the other tab. So then what I did was I left my computer in a state where I would land on minor VGA

in kind of a believable scenario. So I went down, sat at my computer, like started one, fresh, and then it was like, TeamViewer, hide interface. Okay, yeah, yeah yeah i'm doing good and i even had luke check my computer when i was like yeah i did way better he's like no it's legit it's legit i'm like are you sure he's like yeah it's legit i didn't notice there was there

was the little like because it was a full screen and stuff there's just the little tiny drop down thing at the top and uh i think there was like a mic in the way or something someone on the other side of the table was like no it's there and i had to lean around to be able to see it it was awesome yeah oh boy i had so much fun with that the winner of space cadet table played on a steam deck yeah that's actually pretty cool that was hilarious there was the counter-strike tournament which i enjoyed because usually at most lands that i've been to that there is a counter-strike tournament some like local team will show up and it's just like not even remotely close but all the like like quarter semi and final, every single one of them was down to the wire.

That's awesome. Which was really cool. That's super cool. That was actually sweet. It actually felt like a real tournament despite being kind of the opposite because it was mostly just a bunch of randoms, but it wasn't just a complete slaughter

by one pro team or something like that. That's so important for fun. I would rather have lost that halo match than won it easily yeah like just a close game is so much better than a blowout no matter which side you're on yeah the the multi like flash game style tournament thing was really cool i'm very happy that it culminated with nidhog because nidhog is such a cool like 1v1 like oh yeah stressor type of game oh yeah so having it end with nidhog was awesome the fact that i got robot unicorn attack in there was cool um yeah yeah yeah we had some good space cadet

table players there i thought i was pretty good i played a lot when i was a kid but i was not even close in fairness to me though you saw how laggy I was a kid, but I was not even close. In fairness to me, though, you saw how laggy it was running on my machine. Mine was too. I don't know what was up with that. It was pretty brutal. I could barely even shoot a new ball. It was totally glitched out. Yeah. Yeah, LAN was really good.

Alright, why don't we jump into another topic? What else did we say we would talk about When did we start the show I don't know Oh how long have we been streaming It's about two and a half hours Oh we should probably call it at some point

We've hardly even touched the merch messages There's just been a lot I don't know if the rest of the topics are like all that interesting Well I definitely want to talk about how there are now two google meets okay yeah i heard about this and my eyes rolled into the back of my head and i moved on because i didn't even want to know what was happening so yeah what what is it um google now has two two google meets it's not enough for them to have competing video chat products internally. Now they actually have the same name, even though they're different programs. In fairness, Microsoft, I think, was the first to this innovation with their multiple versions of Skype and now multiple versions of Teams.

Okay, hold on. Wasn't it Skype for business? Yeah, but still. that's clear enough no just log in with a business login freaking account and have business features you idiots no no you don't have skype for business and skype i think there's different ways that it's like actually built well then pick the one that's good and use that one yeah it's probably more expensive i mean it's like well back when they used to have two separate freaking kernels for their operating system the good one for business and the crap one for home so to get get rid of the crap one that one's less defensive. Obviously. Obviously.

Who's in charge? Skype for Business was Link. Yeah. And in my opinion, that was a better name, to be honest. Sorry. I get kind of angry about this kind of crap. So tell me about the two Meets. All right.

Google Meet was originally launched as a Zoom-like video communication successor to Hangouts, which hilariously still exists. like video communication successor to Hangouts, which hilariously still exists. The fact that all the video, like video to video communication companies allowed Zoom to like become what it is, is pathetic. I'm sorry, but it is. From January to April 2020,

Meet's user count grew by a factor of 30 with roughly 100 million users per day. Google Duo was launched earlier as a one-to-one and group call app meant for smaller scale use. Think FaceTime, Skype, or Discord. If it's scalable, then f***ing use it! If it's not scalable, then put it on the shelf!

Goodbye! Why do you need a good, scalable one and a crap, not scalable... Sorry, sorry. Okay. As the pandemic went on, the need for both styles of communication grew and so did the apps. As a result, Duo, as the smaller service, has been free branded meat and will receive the features from both apps and meat is still meat. So we have two meats.

So meat. It's not even like a business they're both business or consumer so meat is compatible with both duo and meat but meat is compatible only with meat eventually the old meat app will be phased out in favor of the duo app with Meet functionality, which is now being called Meet. Ah! This is horrible. How does this stuff happen? Users of Duo don't have to do anything. The app was updated automatically with Meet support last month. It had its icon changed earlier this week.

And I'm assuming its name? Want to see something that makes me really angry as someone who used hangouts as our internal business chat as part of g suite for so long then switched off of it first to slack which we had issues with was it slack i i wasn't a part of that i think it was slack first to slack then to teams both of which we've had numerous numerous issues with hangouts for all its warts and all its simplicity did did mostly just work um and was convenient because it was always open in your gmail tab always okay so every time i see this i get irrationally angry because they told me hangouts is going away so we like rush migrated off of it. Now, when you go to share something in Android, and you click Gmail, it frickin prompts you Gmail or chat? No, no, no. Gmail. You told me chat, which is what Hangouts is now the one

that's built into you. You told me it was going away. I believed you. That's what I get for believing anything you say. When I click Gmail, I mean a f***ing email. That's what I mean. Don't make me press more buttons. Don't make me press more buttons. And the hilarious thing is that, oh, okay, it doesn't right now, so I'm not sure why, but there used to be a chat. Oh, this is chat.

This is different chat? No, no there used to be a chat. Oh, this is chat. This is different chat. No, no, because there's a standalone chat app aside from chat built into the Gmail app. How are they so bad at this? So Bell said that the Meet app on his phone is now named Meet and then Original in brackets. Yeah, I just updated one day on my iPhone. I was like, what is this long name?

That is so funny. Yeah, mine is that too. What the heck? Wow. Crazy. All right, let's talk merch messages. I got a lab to pay for. Read me merch messages.

Wow. From Calvin. Hi, I've been following your coverage on the use of HDR video very closely. Any updates on LTE HDR in the future? We did one. We did one recently. The video on glossy monitors

on the EVE, excuse me, DO spectrum is in HDR. So if you watch it on an HDR compatible display with HDR enabled, you will experience it in HDR. And for you watch it on an HDR compatible display with HDR enabled, you will experience it in HDR. And for videos about displays in particular, it is a huge difference maker. It really helps you to

better see through the screen the differences between two different experiences. It's more true to life. From Milutin. Oh, hold on. I saw a little bit more to that merch message and yes we've learned a lot um we are working closely with adobe and with youtube there seems to i don't know if i can take credit for it but there seems to be a fire lit in the online video streaming industry um

to to better support hdr and i'm really excited for it we we are we are moving slowly but surely toward hdr particularly on ltt there have been two to three videos someone in flowplane chat said there have been two to three hdr videos on flowplane there has been um but i will admit they're quite the pain to get going um And we do need to update our stiffs so that it can be done better. Fortunately, the king has returned. Yeah. Well, that we're not. Yeah.

Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Floatplane people will know. Sure has. I had a wonderful day. Me too. Actually, my day was pretty chaotic, but that was a good, that was a high point. It was a wonderful day. Me too. Actually, my day was pretty chaotic,

but that was a good, that was a high point. It was a good moment. Yeah. From Malutin. Hi, Luke and Linus, long time fan. I wanted to ask what you think

of smartwatches. Are they a fad that have run their course? Will they become a ubiquitous gadget on everyone's wrist or remain a niche product like I feel they are now? I really want them to be good, but I give up. So I'm just using the Withings, you know, one that is a clock and lasts for a month. And I guess there's like some heart recording stuff, but I

don't really care about any of that. I have always done really, really bad with any accessories that you wear. If they're glasses, I will lose them or drop them or step on them. Is that why you don't wear glasses? Yeah. Oh, that's sort of sad. Yeah. I'm not even kidding. I have a pair of glasses.

Don't you have a close associate who literally works in the glasses industry? that's why i have two i have sunglasses and i have those the sunglasses you don't wear them never leave my car ideally because if they do they will be gone because you know you know how like if i leave your house what percentage chance would you say that i have to come back to get my keys oh yeah yeah yeah just there's no number it's just yeah yeah yeah so like i that type of stuff if it's a ring if it's a watch if it's glasses if it's a necklace it's gone and i just like know that about myself so i don't wear any of it um and that's it so like i i think they're cool they just is not for me i would go with something like that where it's relatively simple and toned down because I honestly wouldn't want

to like daily charge a watch. That would just be very annoying to me. Yeah, it's all about battery life. I wear the Fossil Hybrid HR for the same reason I get steps and basic stuff for two weeks and that's better than charging an Apple Watch every day. Yeah, that's pretty good. From

Sal, question for Luke. You mentioned you did freelance it work before fully committing to ltd what did you do to find work to make it possible um this isn't entirely above board but i haven't worked there in forever so whatever uh back when i used to work for geek squad there was customers that would come in that would want things that are services that geek squad could not provide um so in those cases i would potentially step in that is how i got one of my clients um that's pretty one of my main ones it was stuff that they literally didn't do yeah you're just like not really supposed to do that no for sure yeah for sure yep yep i was very young with that and extremely poor so that's i did i did what i did i mean at

least you didn't steal toilet paper for like a long time um but yeah like i there was there was one guy who needed server work done like on location like this is not something that you would ever do they'd never touch that no like i i only did stuff where it would never be something that they would do um and then that got me some other jobs because he was business person who talked to other business people that had the same problem and then blah blah blah blah and it just kind of growed from there grew from there um uh late something yeah something that you can do though is just like go talk to businesses fine i've talked a few times about how like notaries and law offices and and uh medical practices and stuff like that they need very good uh data storage and security yep

it needs to be extremely reliable etc be good so that you're not screwing them over because there is liability. But yeah, then just go walk into places and be like, what is your solution like? Do you need a better one, et cetera, et cetera. This is great. And then he graduated to grossly misrepresenting his qualifications on his LTT application. Love it. All right, what's next? Next one we have here is's from uh radioactive twinkie hello as pc enthusiasts and gamers do either of you do routine wrist exercises to keep your wrist limber and to

reduce the risk of carpal tunnel um i play badminton which involves a lot of squeezing and like these motions, these motions, squeezing motions. So I probably unintentionally do a ton of wrist exercise, but no, I don't go out of my way to do it. When I was rehabbing a problem that I was having with my arm, I spent a lot of time with the Powerball, like a gyro gyro ball and that worked really great for me but other than that no i can't say that i do uh nope never been even remotely a problem with me though um if i use a mouse that does is not compatible with my grip um i'll get like like ice like shooting feelings through my wrist um but it hasn't been a problem with the corsair m40 or 45 or whatever that one that i used for so long was

and it hasn't been a problem with the g pro wireless so i'm pretty happy with where i'm at for that right now yeah i don't know i've never had anything like that my wrists are kind of huge i don't know if that like helps at all but yeah question here from alex a few years ago i managed to make my hard drive burst into flames despite having built multi multiple computers at that point i'd never heard or assumed that psu sata cables were not cross compatible do you have any other explosive stories i'd say my best story just like lighting something on fire was probably oh i mean i had one recently actually okay i got a couple never mind i i tried to install a pci card oh man no i oh man i don't remember anymore exactly what i tried to do i wrote this out

on the forum like back in the early probably nine years ago on the forum so i might tell the story wrong but in a nutshell i tried to install a pci card into a uh oh no i remember okay i there was a pci card that had some kind of a four pin header on it and probably it was for something to like some kind of breakout cable or something like that i mistook it for a four pin floppy female connector for like auxiliary power for the card so i plugged it in powered on the system and promptly released the magic smoke that was inside that card that made it work. I had a buddy who... Sorry, I thought you were done. No, no, go ahead.

I had a buddy who was fairly aggressively overclocking a computer and shot some blue flames out of the back of the power supply. I like it. But I have never, I think, been in that scenario. I managed to scorch the back of a motherboard just a couple of weeks ago. Nice. Yeah, I was helping the neighbor build their PC

and a young neighbor and one of my son's friends. And I wasn't paying close enough attention. This is at least partially on me. And he was trying to put it into the back of the io shield spot and dragging it around on the standoffs knocked a couple caps off the back so i made a clumsy attempt at putting them back on knowing that it was probably dead anyway and whether it was the scratches to the traces around it or whether it was something else. You know, when you hear that sound,

it's bad. That was pretty recent. Yeah, I haven't killed anything with like fire, you know, but I've bricked some stuff, but I guess it doesn't fit in this story. Hit me. From Misael.

Excited to get my backpack. Have you guys thought about making wallets? I'm a simple man. I like to put my stuff in my wallet. I feel like I just don't really, I don't demand much of a wallet. I use this, I use this homemade one from Yvonne

and I'm sure there are wallet connoisseurs out there who would ask for so much more performance from their wallet than I do. But for me, it's just like... What are the speeds and feeds? Yeah, can I reach the card? Can I flash my identification? I've had this name wallet ever since we went to Germany

for the cherry tour. Oh, wow. That's a long time. I bought a wallet while I was there because mine literally fell apart. I'm exactly the same. I've only ever owned three wallets in my entire life. I have probably similar to me.

I have used all of them until they disintegrated. Yeah. And then I have gotten a new one that is as simple and usually a gift, actually. Yeah, I think two of them were gifts. So I've gotten whatever simple, basic black men's leather wallet has been handed to me. Nice.

Yeah. That's how I roll. From Sergeant Kilgore. Great name. Do you guys think modular phones will ever make a comeback also do you have any opinions on vtubers man i had a vtuber conversation with the whales at the whale land when i was doing the studio tour where i was basically saying you know i'm getting too old for this i'm getting too old to be the front man of this band and um they kind of laughed right and i was like no like for real i'm gonna be 40 like in a few years i'm i'm gonna be not young and cool

at all i mean i was never cool but i won't be young either and you know i think the next generation of tech enthusiasts are going to want a face that looks more like theirs to tell them about their you know their their tech purchases or whatever else like we have to i i have to realize that there's a shelf life how many youtubers can you name who are over 50 yeah not many they definitely exist but not many part of that's because the the platforms age itself sure right but then that's where i was going next how many how many prominent tiktokers are over 40 yeah right so there's going to be new platforms there's going to be new ways that the younger generation prefers to communicate and i am not necessarily going to understand it i'm not necessarily going

to be there so uh one of the solutions to aging out of your media platform is going digital, right? And I think a really good example of this is Ryan's Toy Reviews. Ryan's Toy Reviews started as a cute little kid unboxing toys, right? But obviously, his parents, who seemed to manage that particular media empire, recognized very early on that their son wasn't going to be five forever, right? And so they built up a team of animators and writers and they built out content around Ryan's persona, around Ryan as a character, right? And part of that is just making sure that he wasn't being exploited, right? That he wasn't working 60 hours a week making making youtube videos but part of it is the longevity and so um red and link it's yeah it's a viable strategy and you know i could just pursue cosmetic surgery right you know try and look young for as long

as possible try and stay limber but that's going to run out at some point i've got a lot of people relying on me so it's definitely something that I've considered. Like, would you watch an animated review of something? I don't see why not. I, I think, and I've kind of always thought this that I,

and, and I know, I know, I know, but I think you put too much stock into it. I think, uh, if it was a piece of technology that was like totally out of your realm,

sure. But I don't think you lose legitimacy with like phones vr tech and computers just because you get old sure that is something from our generation yes but there will be things that are not from our generation like i don't have a ton of interest in things like smart speakers because i just grew up without them and I don't care about them. And so I think that whether it's just the face, like, okay, so I won't look like someone who knows about whatever that new thing is. And people do, they do generalize,

they do stereotype, right? So I just, I think it's something to be aware of. We've had people in chat bring up Adam Savage. Adam Savage is a great example of of someone who has transcended you know generational gaps right i think adam savage is cool pretty much across the board but maybe that's the millennial in me talking maybe adam savage isn't cool to young people i i wouldn't know because i think he's cool so yeah i don't know bixby says I see Old Man Tech Wizard is more legitimate. Sure, but how many of them do you actually watch every day?

I just don't think there are that many. Sure there are. I mean, you could watch Get Connected. Does he even still make YouTube videos? You could watch Rodney Reynolds. I feel like I can hear Hi, I'm Rodney Reynolds in my brain. Does Leo Laporte still make content? I believe so.

Get connected. I can't find it. Oh, here. Leo Laporte podcasts. Yeah, I think so. Eight days ago. Well, you guys got to make more content there you go yeah see look pixel buds pro you can hear about pixel buds pro from uh from mike right like it's it's one of those things i think this is someone else now what

oh hold on you got a mr that's a that's a face that we recognize yeah okay so they've hired a host yeah i i he's definitely still host some of it i know that okay i looked at it not that long ago so you know i it's it's tough it's something that i think about a fair bit um floatplane says i should get the tom cruise package yeah i i i was watching top gun with uh with yvonneonne I remember it being a lot cooler When I was a kid It's the original Top Gun? Yeah it's pretty hard to watch actually

And I was looking at the other people In that movie Whether it's Val Kilmer Or whether it's Is it? Hold on a second No no Robin Wright played the princess and the princess bride which i had no idea because when i was a kid i didn't care about like who the cast was or whatever

so i was i saw that in like my plex no way that was robin right anyway um uh really yeah she plays jenny and forrest gump she plays the the wife in house of cards okay okay well anyway meg ryan's in top gun and so you look at like you look at everyone else in top gun literally okay literally 35 years later right none of them have aged anywhere close to as well as Tom Cruise. So yeah, whoever's doing his work, man, got to get me some of that. For realsies. It's Xenu, dude. For realsies.

He's making it happen. Keeping him young. All right, what else we got? From Mark, with the steady progression of human enhancement tech, what would be your line for what is too much to replace? Would you get an RFID implant or a digital eyeball or something else? Oh, I'm down. As long as it's probably pretty safe and or I have nothing to lose.

If I lost my hearing, I'd be first in line for a cochlear implant. Let's go. If you guys start getting into biohacking, I'm in, dude. Yeah. I'm in. dude. Yeah. I'm in. Next question here for Luke from Alex. How do you and your engineers approach planning and roadmapping? And how do you guys organize?

Do you leverage Scrum? Scrum. So the whole thing of, like, Agile and Scrum is almost I've been paying attention to a lot of spaces a lot of people are kind of moving away from it it was it was very much the rage when we first started and we've kind of landed on a bit of a weird mix which seems to be true for a lot of teams um i don't know for everybody and i'm sure people can be well, my team does. I know I'm not talking for everybody. But our mix is that we do twice a week meetings. So we do a meeting at the end of the week and we do a meeting near the end of the week, Monday and Thursday, generally. Those meetings are supposed to be fast. They're not supposed to take a lot of time. We've had those meetings that last less

than five minutes in total, not per person. They're, they're supposed to be quick. They're not supposed to take a lot of your day. Um, and that's like the, the standup from the scrum mentality stuff that we do. Uh, but then we dive into Kanban with, uh, like issue tracking and, and task tracking boards, um, that people manage themselves and yada yada yada uh planning and road mapping um planning as much as i can try uh often just has bombs dropped on it all the time and if people are in this space i think they probably have experienced the same thing whether that's linus just randomly coming in and be like hey guys we're doing all these things now good luck i need it in a month um or if i don't usually give you a month yeah usually it's less than that um or if it's me doing effectively the same thing to be completely

honest um because i'll i'll be like oh wait this like creator wants this thing uh so you're halfway through that that's cool what if you worked on this thing now uh especially with a small team sometimes there can be staffing challenges and it's beyond our control like yeah they were gonna do that but they didn't so here we go you know and it's not anyone's fault it just does still need to be the show must go on at the end of the day development is uh inconsistent progress that that is going to be a thing that you experience is inconsistent progress you'll have someone who will make absolute leaps and bounds in like two days. And then they get stuck on something that like actually wasn't that difficult for like two weeks because they just happened to not approach it in

the exact right way or see it from the exact right angle. And they spend a bunch of time trying like more difficult solutions than what it actually needed. And then they figure out that it's something simple, whatever. And that's going to happen and that's fine that just happens in this space a lot um this is hilarious sorry i'm just gonna jump in this is from twitch chat nido says it's easy to say we need to plan better and end up in an infinite loop of meetings discussing how to plan and never end up doing yeah and a lot of times you just need to act so in regards to architecting too, like, I don't know, we do our best.

We try to figure out all the different components that are going to end up going into something. But a lot of times, Linus or me or someone else on the team, it doesn't matter, is going to change what we need to do. Because we'll learn something or we'll experience something, right? We'll go, oh, this tool that's currently in development actually needs to work this way we'll get user feedback or that

so like sometimes things are going to change so we architect the best that we can to try to set ourselves up for the best possible result but i never i think it's a fool's path to go into it assuming that uh it's not going to change sometimes potentially drastically hopefully that answered your question this is i could talk about this for a long time so that's that's the compressed version but yeah nice last question we have here is from anon as a frequent phone switchers for smartphone reviews how do you manage the transition of data, apps, messages, and contacts between your temporary daily drivers? I haven't found a reliable method. Oh, it sucks. That was one of the main reasons that I dailyed the Note 9 for so long was that I just got tired of switching my daily driver, actual daily driver phone all the time. So what I would do is I would mostly

sloppy transition over to whatever I was reviewing. And I would just have my note nine in my pocket for certain things. Like I just didn't want to move my Authy onto the one that I was reviewing, or I didn't want to move my, uh, WeChat was one that was really annoying. Like I lost my entire WeChat history a couple of times because the process for backing it up and restoring it is like kind of arcane so yeah I'm sorry I don't really have like a perfect solution for you it sucks and it

will always suck as far as I can tell it is what it is and it is over thank you for tuning into the WAN show yeah we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel Bye