The WAN Show - iPhones Are Undeleting Nudes?? - WAN Show May 17, 2024

Episode Date: May 18, 2024

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What's up everyone and welcome to the WAN show. We got a great show for you guys this week. Asus apologizes for their strange and expensive repair quotes. What was our headline today? I forget. Something like... The Apple undeletes your news. Oh yeah! iPhones are undeleting old photos even on devices that have been wiped? What? What else we got going on this week microsoft announces proteus controller another like uh controller that helps you have inputs if you have difficulty with standard controllers uh and also there's a live service like mmo game that is going offline into a single

player slash co-op game and is removing all of their microtransactions well that i mean that last part sounded good yeah Squarespace 8 refs and uh uh magical I take one bite of food and you guys just you know

those are our sponsors you guys they're our sponsors you're trying to blame me for not doing your job iphones have been undeleting old news many users and this has been reported by the verge and mac rumors many users are reporting old long deleted photos are resurfacing on their iphones as if they were recent photos following apple's 17.5 ios update this includes devices that were previously wiped resulting in embarrassment for at least one user who wiped their device before selling it to a friend only to have revealing photos reappear on the device it is unclear at this time whether this is an indexing bug or a synchronization issue with icloud but many have reported finding long

long deleted photos including sexual images meaning that this is unlikely to be a problem with recent photos being inappropriately retained wow is there ever a lot to unpack here and i would like to preface this by saying look this is not unique to apple this particular incident is uniquely happening to apple but this whole issue where cloud providers are not actually deleting something when you press the delete button is a widespread issue now in some cases this is a feature more than a bug for example i don't think we're doing a backblaze read this week but one of the things that we mention whenever we talk about one of our sponsors backblaze is that for a fee you can actually extend their data retention yeah when you delete something and the idea is that it's uh it's a recycle bin which if you if you've ever

like sent an email and then been like oh wait and then clicked the undo thing or whatever because you you missed all the word or did something wrong like that having an undo can often be quite nice and in the context of something like backblaze where the things that especially b2b customers are backing up to their service could be mission critical and that is that is it that's their off-site backup the ability to you know undo an accidental control a delete or even in some cases a malicious deletion totally of off-site backups could be absolutely critical but in the case of services where it is being communicated to you that when you delete something that it is permanent gone

oh man this is challenging now now something that we don't know, right? Because this is saying old long deleted photos, right? Something that we don't know is were these photos are, are these photos on another eye device somewhere? Are they synchronizing to iCloud through that? And then is this simply a case of the device ID somehow not being unlinked correctly from that iCloud account? Like there's a number of different ways that this could transpire. But the bottom line is that this is a broad issue where cloud providers are a not deleting things that you mark delete necessarily and not managing that data in a way that is um adequate i guess is the word that i'm looking for yeah so what i want to know okay our discussion question here is

is this a temporary bug or is it indicative of a deeper issue with information storage that needs to be addressed i mean absolutely the second one but what i want to know is what is the liability here and when are these companies going to answer for these things yeah because like i mean there's the there's the there's the sexual images angle which is i think like the main one that's coming up especially in the articles that we're seeing what about just the privacy there's privacy issues there's photos that might be relatively traumatic to people yeah they might not want coming back they deleted for a freaking reason and having that put like you know front and center in front of them can be pretty frustrating and annoying um and i mean oh man like here's here's here's what i want to know like apple

is a company that purports to take privacy very very seriously how exactly is it that this data wouldn't be stored in an encrypted fashion and if it gets synchronized to a device how would that be decrypted without account level authentication i mean tell me you know more about this kind of stuff than i do it's not necessarily stored in an encrypted fashion well why not it's more difficult and if they feel like they don't need to just like who cares that's not a good response brother i'm not saying that's the truth either i have no idea i'm just saying it's not i i don't i don't necessarily know that they're stored in encrypted fashion um like uh photos on ios do they back up to icloud uh we might be able to figure this i mean if you

pay for icloud sure so if you if you pay for iCloud, sure. So if you don't pay for iCloud, then it's, who knows? Theoretically, yeah. Only your five gigs are going to back up, and then that should be all that's synchronized to iCloud. Like, even with that huge celebrity image leak, that was all things that people were storing in iCloud. There was no way to get something

that was locally stored off of a device off of it. It was all through, I believe that was mostly through authentication theft and third parties getting access to people's iCloud accounts. I'm not 100% certain. It says your iCloud data is encrypted. The encryption keys are secured in Apple data centers

where we can help you with data recovery. And only certain data is end-to-end encrypted. But I don't think we're talking about an end-to-end encryption scenario. Right. Like this isn't being grabbed partway. So, I mean, why? Okay. Obviously, there's a computational cost, right? cost right but with how with how with how many accelerators we have in modern devices

don't you feel like end-to-end encryption i can understand not wanting on everything that can get pretty annoying but um the the encryption in general which it says it has to be fair on icloud um that's not that bad and they say that they have it, so that makes sense to me. How it would be unencrypted, like, did they log out of everything before they sold this device to their friend? To be clear, when he says unencrypted, decrypted. How it would be decrypted? Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, theoretically, when you wipe an iPhone, it's wiped, so the only way that... Did they do that, though? They said they said that way and it and i mean realistically i don't know man um oh i mean it no i this kind of checks out because how could you okay so your friend would have to log into their icloud account you can only be logged into one

icloud account at a time on an iphone from my understanding so as soon as your friend logged into their icloud account anything that was synchronized with the old iCloud account should be gone i would like to think so i mean i don't know how any of this stuff works so like commenting on it is a is a little bit difficult to uh handyman pointed out something that i was kind of reading into but wasn't sure about either where on the the end of what i was reading says advanced data protection for iCloud is an optional setting that offers our highest level of cloud data security and handyman is saying that the key is only stored uh on just the user side if you have that advanced data protection enabled so they have the keys for everything on their end i see if you're not running advanced data

security which i would assume like less than one percent of people are running yeah if you're not running advanced data security which i would assume like less than one percent of people are running yeah if it's not a default i don't think most users are going to be touching it totally and like google has the same thing almost no one runs it um so they they absolutely have a way to decrypt it on their end there's people in the chat that are saying this has nothing to do with iCloud. It sounds more like data wasn't deleted off the device storage. But the thing is that the way that NAND Flash works, like it's once you do a secure erase, which from my understanding is part of the device wiping process for both Android and iOS at this point.

Once you do a secure erase, NAND flash doesn't work the same way as old mechanical storage did, where you could kind of reconstruct at least parts of files by just looking at contiguous ones and zeros along the tracks in the platter. It's not like that. Once you delete the index

of what all of those zeros and ones in all of these N in all these nan cells correspond to there's not really a meaningful way to reconstruct that the only way that you can recover data from from uh from a from a nan flash device is by recovering the controller like you you essentially have to restore that that index that's stored on the controller you you can't just get it from nand chips so so from apple um on the iphone go to settings general reset and select erase all content and settings this is a secure erase of everything but ios so it sounds like you're right that's what they're doing people are talking about like

uh you should talk about how OS's mark things as deleted. That's not generally what he's talking about. What you're talking about is removing a pointer to a file effectively. So you tell your operating system to delete something and instead of actually deleting it, because it's like, whatever, this is Flash, it just forgets where it is

and then will eventually write something over top of it. That's not secure erase though. And it won't even write something over top of it until you've removed it from your recycle bin, potentially, depending on the operating system you're on. Like, for example, I haven't been using an iPhone lately, so the last Apple device that I used daily was the Vision Pro.

And I wanted to delete a screen recording, and I deleted it, and it warned me immediately. It was like, Hey, this is going into your, your to be deleted folder and you'll have to go in there and you'll, you'll have to delete it. I just,

I wanted to play around with the file management on the vision pro because I was trying to, I was trying to transfer screen recordings off of it. And so I was just like, I was doing all these screen recordings and i was like oh my god there's no way to you can't just plug a cable in and transfer data are you kidding me okay so how do i get rid of stuff on this thing and so i was i was trying to figure out how to delete a screen recording and um and so i ended up having to kind of navigate through that all the

little icky picky details that were in my notes for the vision pro didn't really end up in the review because we were so late because we got the device so late that it ended up being more like okay what new perspective can we give on it everyone kind of you know i didn't need to talk about their file explorer or whatever right um but as far as i could tell the way it works is it goes into a recycle bin for 30 days and then it's automatically purged from there so you wouldn't be at risk of overwriting then it's automatically purged from there so you wouldn't be at risk of overwriting anything until it's purged from there but it should be noted that the iCloud account that I was using or the yeah the the iCloud account that I was using did have extra data storage purchase so it was also synced online so then there was an additional step in

order to delete it off of there as well as the whole thing. Yeah. Is this like person who sold their device thing, is that a one-off? I don't even see that in the news. Well, it looks like lots of users are reporting. The photo's coming back, but is the sold device thing a one-off? Because I think these could potentially be different scenarios they could be um like someone secure erasing their device and selling it to someone else on this happening is different than someone just randomly having photos come back this includes previously wiped

devices so as far as we can tell at least one user um had revealing photos reappear but it might not be just one user who ended up with photos that didn't belong to them showing up on their device guys if you've uh if you've read a bunch i have spent the entire day today building a computer for our ceo which by the way is going to be awesome we took suggestions from reddit for what the theme of the build should be we ended up with all kinds of great suggestions the one that we ultimately settled on was all chrome and luke's seen it it's pretty amazing actually it's pretty cool you haven't seen the chair yet though oh is it like actually going to be uncomfortable for him to work i mean

it doesn't sound like my problem why is the chief executive sitting down should be decisive and a man of action moving around talking to the people anyway it's gonna be great uh so yeah all i'm getting out of this is that uh none of none of the c levels are gonna have chairs anymore so let's not rule out user error i guess is what we're what we're trying to say on some of it i'm not i'm not saying the thing as a whole but uh yeah you run into scenarios like this where like some some people that had this genuinely happen speak up and a bunch of other people that just like screwed up but don't know

also speak up and it ends up getting kind of lost in the lost in the sauce a little bit um there's enough reports here that it sounds like this is actually probably happening to a certain degree but i don't think based on the information that we have that we're going to be able to figure out like the mechanism that's failing yep um a lot of people just seem to generally be kind of struggling with icloud like uh in floatplane chat says i've had photos that i delete locally stay on icloud and not show specifically that they still exist it could have redownloaded that was one of the things that bothered me when i was trying to delete that thing from the vision pro as well as i couldn't tell uh i i couldn't i couldn't tell if this was device level or cloud level how i was deleting it and i could see apple

taking that approach for the sake of what we were talking about earlier the ability to restore data i bet you that's a lot of this issue but man man, re-syncing. With a photo, you know, sometimes when you delete a photo, you're like, I want this gone. This needs to be yote. Yeah. Yeah. And I understand Apple's design philosophy,

you know, big, simple buttons, you know, but sometimes right click is the answer. A context menu is just superior. Your philosophy be damned. So we'll see.

Yeah, I don't know. Well, we'll see how this goes. Going to be interesting. Why don't we jump into our next topic here? You want to pick another headline one? Sure. How about the controller? Want to talk about the controller?

Yeah. This thing looks sick. It's very cool. Look at this thing. Microsoft announces the Proteus controller. Microsoft has announced the proteus controller a modular controller with swappable face plates and customizable components for gamers with various mobility issues the cube-like modules can be snapped together in countless different configurations its buttons are remappable and

its analog sticks can be swapped out for 3d printed sticks with custom grips and those several files for these sticks are available on uh bio waves website bio with a byo so i'm going to share this now so they're showing right here we are open sourcing the mechanical connection mechanism for the proteus controller this will allow you to 3d print different components such as handles analog sticks mounts whatever you can think of here are some examples of downloadable files some of these are cool and these are sick so it goes from like just fairly standard concave top analog stick to ball grips xl rest that's super cool so for chins or elbows so you can control a joystick more easily and hopefully more comfortably ridge cap analog sticks a thin grip analog stick which could be very interesting

because if you notice how it how it tends to flare you might be able to attach something to this so you could move in like a different plane but have it adjust a joystick which is very cool um control grip analog caps and square head analog sticks and by open sourcing the mechanism they're making it so that not only are they making these files able to be downloaded and others able to be downloaded later but you should be able to design your own as well which is very cool because as far as my understanding goes that community is kind of all about customizing so being able to 3d print design your own is probably going to be a pretty big deal super cool and with the way that 3d printing materials are changing like it's not like this has to be made out of just standard pla like you can you could make them actually comfortable yeah

you know with like multi-material printing yeah so you can have you know a nice stiff shaft and then you can have like a like a softer end cap and man this is it's one of those things that microsoft just i don't i feel like doesn't get enough attention for the fact that they do this kind of thing i mean look they're a soullessess corporation. Let's treat them as what they are. Any company with shareholders at the end of the day is going to look out for its bottom line first. We know that. But can you curl up?

I'm trying to hold it in here too. You and Dan laughing in the background is not helpful. Both of you, get your shit together oh man um anyways anyway so the point is yeah okay they're they're a corporation but i feel like this is the kind of thing that when they do we should be paying a lot of attention to we should be giving them a lot of praise for absolutely because realistically this makes no commercial sense the development of this it's there it's not going to pay for itself no yeah um this is legitimately about enabling gamers and that's super cool and i i love it yeah and to to note as well this doesn't replace the adaptive controller the

adaptive controller is wicked cool um and honestly i could end up seeing a lot of setups that end up using both absolutely um the one problem that they're running to they're running both is just that it's going to be fairly costly um this proteus controller costs about 300 bucks. It's on sale right now, actually. If you go to buy it, I think it's 15% off right now. Let me see really quick. Yeah, so it's 15% off right now, but it'll theoretically be 300 bucks longer on USD. But that kind of makes sense

because it's very complicated i think the xbox adaptive controller while being super cool is a little bit more basic um this is a fairly complicated controller but i like seeing stuff like this like you said it's unlikely to make a ton of money it doesn't excuse buying up game developers and closing them yeah um that that's lame but we can we can hit them for that and also praise them for this yeah because this is this is great this is like the opposite there's like the opposite of that this is this is making gaming more accessible and friendlier yeah which is something gaming needs sometimes something on the other end of this if you're like this sounds cool but it's not applicable to me on the other end of this, if you're like, this sounds cool, but it's not applicable to me. On the other end of this, in my opinion, I'm surprised that especially people on the pro scene don't find more use out of things like the Proteus controller and the adaptive controller.

Because if you are able to enhance the inputs that you have by making it so that you can introduce your feet or something else. Or bringing back our old concept of clinch to prone. Yeah, yeah. I was wondering. You could make that work with the adaptive controller. You very likely could. Yeah.

But yeah, especially for games that have a huge amount of inputs, I'm a little bit surprised you don't see more utilization of these just for making you more competitive yeah yeah so consider that as well what are we jumping to dad dan what are we doing next okay let's do some merch messages if you guys are new to the wan show welcome hi welcome to the wan show i already said it once but uh really though welcome to the WAN Show. I already said it once, but really, though, welcome to the WAN Show.

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Yeah, well, sort of. I mean, it's phone-like in functionality. Phone adjacent. Yeah. So there it is, my friends. The dip-dye hoodie. It's here. You too could look this cool while you game yeah okay maybe not that one this cool you could look this cool while you game no i'm done

i'm just i'm just making fun of david uh anyway we've got the dip dye hoodie uh what else do we have going on this week that might be worth sending a merch message over? Well, no, that's the new big update. Well, I'm going to put mine on. It's not that warm. And, Dan, do you want to hit us with a merch message? Yeah, sure. I've got a few here for you. Let's see. Hey, all with dating apps like Bumble getting on the AI hype train, how do you think that application of machine learning might influence the next generation's dating habits if at all you've seen that black mirror episode right yeah hang the dj all all i've heard from the the the

dating scene for a long time now is just screams and terror um yeah i mean that's one of our topics for later just seem to be looting people um I didn't know that was a topic, actually. Yeah, we're going to be talking about have your AI date my AI. But why don't we just do that topic right now and then we'll talk about it. Yeah, so Bumble founder Whitney Wolf Hurd stated in a recent interview

that she thinks the future of online dating, get this, is for apps to develop a personalizable AI concierge that you can confide in, talk about your insecurities, and get pointers from. She then likewise suggested that in the future, we'll be able to send AI bots based on our personalities on simulated dates with other people's ai bots as a way of confirming compatibility and narrowing down potential matches huh so i mean is big tech basically just treating black mirror as a playbook at this point

you know the show doesn't have to be prophetic like we can still stop this well what happens if like someone's ai traumatizes someone else's ai are they liable like what is this so does this even mean so our merch message question that's the important one thank you very much for uh checking out lttstore.com our merch message question is how will this impact the relationships of future generations and i think it's gonna be rough i feel a little unqualified to talk about this to be perfectly honest with you because i have never even dated online like that was still taboo when i started um when i settled yeah settled down wow no no no no no no no no no no sit down freud sit down that's made that made it worse you shouldn't have brought him up settled down yep yep good luck by the way

guys just just chill just chill good luck a person 123 in your favor a person 123 says dating apps already broke dating for my generation this is just the obituary i've heard that a lot i've been reading a lot of articles that gen z and millennials are just saying see you later to data apps right now match group seems to be kind of desperately trying to keep um what was the old big one tinder uh they they seem to be just desperately trying to keep tinder revenues up putting in these like new ways of like sending people like paid things or whatever these like super premium accounts and stuff like that as far as my understanding goes even more than it originally was and it was originally very much this it has just turned into um extremely short-term engagement seekers yeah uh scotch says as someone in gen z almost everyone

on dating apps just wants short-term relationships right now yeah there's another word for short-term relationships it's called um and yeah so it was heavily like that uh like early on wasn't it i thought that was the whole point of tinder but it you could still like find relationships on there right because that wasn't what like plenty of fish was for yeah right there was there was other sites that were specifically not really for that even though it still happened obviously and then tinder was more for that but some people were not looking for that on those types of services like the swipe services some people were actually just looking for long-term relationships and had to deal with all the the people that were not um and as far as my understanding goes as

someone who hasn't used it in a decade um hearing complaints from people that do it is only that now and like there's there's people asking. I have genuinely had someone ask me like, how would I go about finding someone to date? I'm like, how the heck am I supposed to know? Wait, who asked you that? Oh, I don't want to. Yeah, okay. I just mean.

I'm like, brother, I've been in a relationship for like actually almost 10 years. Like, what do you want? I can't help you. Make them chicken? But it's like like it's weird because ever since dating apps became a thing approaching people about potentially dating when you don't know them yet in real life became kind of like notably taboo really but now the dating apps suck so it's like actually what do i do i don't know see like i i um yeah i man meeting people in school that was like was so easy yeah like we i i feel like

if you're in school still do not take for granted how easy it is to network and like expand your social circle and make connections. If there was something that someone could have, you know, that, that if I had been able to internalize properly, um, that I,

that I wish I had had processed when I was in school, it would have been make way more connections because once you're an adult, I w I had processed when I was in school. It would have been make way more connections because once you're an adult, I was talking to, shoot, who was it? Someone on the team. I think it might've been David who's thinking of joining an adult sports league. Nice.

And I was like, man, that sounds awesome. And I would love to be a part of what sounds like a super cool thing for you but that is just not going to be an option for me because i didn't play that particular sports ball as a kid and picking up a sport as an adult is freaking hard and the reason i'm bringing this up is that one of the one of the few bloody ways that adults can network outside of work and can make new connections is through activities. Right? And I don't know about you guys, but for me, sports is one of the go-tos.

100%. And man, it's so hard. People can be so clicky. A lot of people forge their lifelong connections when they're in their teens. It's hard to break into those groups. I even noticed this in parent groups, right? Where all their kids are already friends

and all the parents are already friends. And don't wander away, hold on. And all the parents are already friends and and penetrating that click you're always kind of the well we only got three campsites so you're the fourth one like you're always you're always that right edge case yeah um maybe it maybe it will work maybe it it works for this one event but like and i i feel like you like man if i here can can you come here for a second because if i if i didn't have you see look yvonne's here hi lady um i would just have

okay here let's have some fun i would have no idea how to meet people okay vaughn here come okay i die tomorrow how do you meet people you're gonna make me cry you're really far away from the mic oh okay you have to be way closer oh okay this is weird um how would i meet people um man i don't know because i think online dating is being phased out too isn't it yeah that's kind of what we're talking about right now it's it's essentially the topic and i've heard how terrible online dating in general is too yeah um oh man so like if you essentially let's just assume you're cutting out online dating yeah i would probably try to take some classes and see if i meet people with similar interests. Okay, so like hobby classes?

Yeah, yeah. Or I do activities like I'd go on hikes or things like that. Okay, so this is good. I hear getting a dog is a good thing. Okay. So if you take up hiking, then I better watch out. This is information gathering. Okay, what would you do oh man because like i'm not the kind of person to go party oh sorry i'm not the kind of person to go party or go to a bar or do any of

those things like it and and especially with kids it's so hard with kids um yeah what would you do i mean i heard vr porn is like really good now so you just wouldn't basically no I am like I'm helplessly addicted to being in a relationship like I think since I turned yeah I got mad at him because I was like you know what if I died you'd like date immediately

no I wouldn't I would be trying to pick up the pieces of my life I don't even know what bank I use. Like, I would actually have some stuff to deal with for quite an extended period of time. I have a folder on my computer called If I Die. You haven't updated it in, like, nine years. Okay, I'll update it for you, okay?

That's not the point. Just don't die. This is a real thing. No, it's actually a real thing. She definitely has that folder, but she definitely hasn't looked at it in almost a decade been busy uh yeah me too i don't know what would you do luke uh i don't know i genuinely i genuinely have no idea because like i i've told linus some of the stories of how I like tried to meet people in the past.

Like one of the silly things that I did that worked, um, was I was on a bus and someone sat down next to me and I just like held my phone fairly far out. So it'd be really easy for them to read and started texting about how they were like cute. And then they read it and we're like, Hey, like blah, blah,

blah. And I was like, yeah, do you want to go out? they're like yeah sure i like it it worked but like how do you how do you create that scenario yeah was that like on the way to school or something like that because school it wasn't i was going to hang out with someone but i was going to hang out with someone that was at ubc and at a time that i was university age so it sort of worked out because there's a bus at ubc yeah so like how do you how

do you make sure that you know the the right person actually happens to sit next to you on a bus like this is such a random scenario that you can't plan for and then i'd have uh well you can plan for it a little bit that's what i did i saw linus in class and i was like hmm i think he normally sits there i'm gonna go sit in that row and i sat kind of away like slightly away okay okay but here's here's a weird thing though so you can you can uh you can uh wait the dice a I think he normally sits there. I'm going to go sit in that row. And I sat kind of away, like slightly away. Okay, okay. But here's a weird thing, though. So you can weight the dice a little bit. Here's Linus and I, though.

As a guy, if you go on a bus and you see a girl sitting beside herself, generally you try to not sit right next to them. Because it can be seen as like... Well, actually, he didn't sit right next to me. He sat, he didn't notice me at first. And he sat in the end. You're saying you sat next you sat next to him right no so i sat in the row first and then he didn't notice me he came in and sat further in and then he noticed me and then started talking to me and then moved closer yeah so you can kind of linus has the riz dude but honestly

like i mean that's a fair move though if you're in conversation and then you happen to move closer that seems fine but like in general but school makes that so easy yes because we were sitting in the same class learning the same subject material man like in the real world when are you going to have that opportunity that's tough i don't know i feel like it's even harder for us because like i never really dated i've never had to do that whole thing so i i don't even i don't even know yeah i mean if i had to give like the best advice that i possibly could it would be find the awesome one and then like lock her up before anyone else even gets a shot at her that's i mean it worked great for me so you know i do i would say like i don't i don't

I would say like, I don't, I don't some like, uh, advice to younger people, I guess is to once you're at an appropriate age, lock her up, like lock that up. Oh, I knew what he meant. Come on, you guys. Come on, you guys. But once you're at appropriate age date and like move on early, if you don't like the person to start trying to learn the things that you like about people and understand what you yourself need in a relationship, what you can provide, because you'll start recognizing as well. Like, OK, I'm not good at these things. And if you end up dating a person who clearly needs those things, well, then you should probably just end it and move on and find another one.

Because when you're in, say, university, this is like you're saying the easiest time to like find people you'll find immediately the day you exit university it becomes infinitely harder so what do you guys think about dating friends of friends because i feel like that gets dangerous i honestly nothing against any of my friends that i've ever had but i don honestly, I'd probably rather have an AI recommend someone to me. Seriously. Because at least an AI is not going to have some f***ing agenda. Yeah. Yeah.

That can always be weird. Okay, well, you know, playoff hockey is on now. Going to sports events. Is that a thing? Going to concerts? I don't know. How do you meet someone at a concert? I can't even hear anybody. And to sports events is that a thing going to concerts i don't know how do you meet someone at a concert i can't even hear anybody and almost everyone there's in like a pod yeah and it's difficult to approach someone when they're in a concert it's bad but what about sports events you i i think you specifically said you would do events and adventures which is a local company that i heard it on the radio typical millennial stuff right there i heard i heard about this way to meet people on the radio

that's how i heard of them too okay okay i have a i have a thing for events events and adventures i was planning on doing this before i ended up with emma really because i heard it on the radio i used to listen to the fox all the time before, like, you know, the Fox is not Fox News. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a local radio station. It has nothing to do with American news. We are, in fact, Canadian, but it's so lowly rated. I never looked. It seems like such an easy thing to do. Well, right. Yeah. All you have to do is it's only 3.2 stars so like how did

you how did they how do you do this and then a lot of the trips they're like are the events and adventures are like hey we're gonna go fly to some like country really so the cost is like that's crazy like i was thinking like hey we go i don't know to rock climbing or something yeah i thought it was just doing something like we go do the cheese tasting like i don't know i think they do that sometimes but they also like like if you look here i'm gonna go on their website look at like this one this is clearly like they're they're out there i think that's bamf, Alberta. These are big trips. Events. Let's see.

Virtual events. Okay. That feels like online dating. Hot air ballooning. Wine. Okay. These are a little bit more reasonable. Another thing that I think is kind of weird about a scenario like this, though, personally,

is when everyone there, you know there has like the mission of yeah it that makes it weird too like does it does it stink of desperation or like like something's what does it smell like yeah you know like i have never personally met someone who said like oh yeah i i got with my partner through this like matchmaking thing i've met people that say they met them through online dating i've met people who you know all the the gamut of other things but events and adventures other various matchmaking services i've never once heard of someone be like yeah it was through this thing is that because they're trying to hide it or is that because it doesn't work i have no idea i't know. I wish we had better answers for you guys.

It sounds like it's horrible. Like I... My... She probably won't watch this, so it's probably okay. My older sister told me about a thing she heard. And she basically said something along the lines of dating in your 30s is like going to the thrift store and finding the least broken, disgusting thing and taking it home and hoping it fits. And I was like, I wanted to cry for her because like she's, she's not making a joke.

Like she's, uh, yeah, I've heard, I've heard thirties plus dating is just atrocious. Yeah. She's, she's,

she's found it challenging and it's, it sucks because she's such a beautiful soul, right? Like she's, she's awesome. Um, and I, uh,

yeah, it just, yeah, it just made me, it just made me sad. Avery studio says in your forties, it just gets hilarious and honest me it just made me sad um every studio says in your 40s it just gets hilarious and honest and almost easier i think i mean that's that's kind of i suspect that's because that's when you're hitting a higher rate of divorcees oh that kind of sense

i've heard 30s is like the dead zone so the pool opens up again yeah this is what i've heard at least interesting my understanding is there's my understanding is that 30s is a dead zone and then like 50s and 60s is a dead zone and then you have retirement home flings yeah i've heard that's like totally i've heard there's a lot of banging in the old folks home i've heard that from a lot of people including people that work at old folks homes so i like totally believe that it's real um birdie num nums says uh you're much more likely to meet someone doing something you love to do or simply being fully aware of your surroundings i agree however considering the audience and most people watching right now and myself what do i love to do um play vidya games you

want to have a wow wedding and and and working out and like working no one everyone is headphones on you don't want to talk to anybody most people are sweaty and gross and the line between like uh like a playful banter at the gym and being like a creepy weirdo at the gym is like is thin and honestly it's best off to just not at all just focus on what you're doing get your job done and get out like it's my look i don't i don't do gym gym i do badminton gym so i'm just kind of i'm speaking out of turn a little bit here but my understanding is like at the gym you're pretty much not even supposed to like notice if a girl is hot like you're not supposed to be looking to be completely honest because like eyes on the highway kind of

thing if you think about it a lot of movements that you have to do if you're properly doing movements kind of sexual are going to end up being things that put body parts in areas that look attractive so they're not doing that for you they're doing that because they're trying to keep their form correct and do this exercise properly so you have to understand you have to like clue into that and the best way to avoid any misunderstandings there is to just stay focused on what you're doing. Like one of the things that I do is either straight in front or up.

Yeah. Your eye line is straight in front or it's up. Because as long as you're not looking down, you're good. Or side. Like if you're doing a workout and you're looking at someone on the side, right? Like it's so, but like you can. You better be hot. you better be like ryan

reynolds hot if you're gonna try and pull that off so things can get pretty monotonous right like you're doing the same movement three sets of 12 you're doing it 36 times you might get kind of bored part way through don't let it happen straightforward or up if someone is in your eyeline straightforward look up okay do the same rules apply for girls? Probably not, to be honest. Would it bother you guys if a girl was at the gym watching you guys work out? I mean, it depends, right? Like, if it's like... And it's like a whole gaggle of them, then yeah, that's pretty uncomfortable.

Are they making fun of me? In general, I don't think it really bothers me too much, but you do have to understand that the playing field is not the same. So, I don't know. I don't think I really notice me too much, but you do have to understand that like the playing field is not the same So, I don't know. I don't think I really notice it a ton to be honest. I don't really care. Because you're not looking. Yeah. What a f***ing Chad. Just like, you know, whatever. Don't even notice it anymore.

I do what I'm gonna do. It's fine. We've got Wardus asking, what about dating at work? Is that okay? Was it ever okay? So man, that is... I've never been interested. That's always seemed like a major stay away from it to me. It is so full of pitfalls. Of the three of us, Yvonne probably has the most knowledge when it comes to HR, legal compliance, and all the company side stuff that there is

what i will say is that if there is any kind of direct or even indirect supervisory relationship that that's not good don't do it that's not good for anybody don't do it for so many reasons and like even outside of that men like i i was i was reading about um oh something you can do though yeah if you become friends with them potentially they're friends but not them okay so your advice is to become friends with people so you can do their friends i mean thanks luke just that's that's a super normal form of dating is getting recommendations Okay, so your advice is to become friends with people so you can do their friends? I mean, thanks, Luke. That's a super normal form of dating is getting recommendations from your friends. This is actually, you're trying to make it weird. This is actually super normal.

I am trying to make it weird. But like, yeah, just, you know. I was reading about how Kaley Cuoco, I forget how to pronounce her name, but Penny from The Big Bang Theory and Johnny Galecki, who plays Leonard on The Big Bang Theory, they had their relationship on the show and they had a relationship in real life and after their relationship in real life ended they at times had to do oh we're in a relationship on the show things together obviously that's a super extreme example but like even if there's no supervisory

relationship think about that nothing nothing is a sure thing you know no matter how compatible you guys think you are in the first week or two um so before you take that step consider that you might have to work on a project with this person yeah after some kind of bitter messy breakup i'm like if you hate your job then like whatever who cares and then you can just leave your job and get a different job or whatever after but if you like your job and you think maybe they like the job too you could end up kind of stuck with each other in a really awful icky way for an extended period of time yeah and some people pull it off obviously yeah but it's just it's very

it's dangerous and even for those that are successful there's a lot of couples who don't make it when they work together there's just too much of overlap in their life was that a concern for you guys um i feel like i remember conversations around this like 2013 era but i don't i don't remember the like details or conclusions i just think it was something that was discussed i'm very curious about why you laughed you go first this is great you should you should be on the show more often oh man that's a good point it puts significant strain on our relationship at times yeah that's fair that's fair i feel like we are kind of a different couple though we do do a lot more things together than

most people um i think uh what what do they call it enmeshment i think that's supposed to be an unhealthy relationship style but i'm pretty sure that's us. Enmeshment? You can't be admitting that shit on Landshelm. Okay, fine. I'll leave my pets asleep anyway. Enmeshment is a concept in psychology or psychotherapy where families

have personal boundaries that are diffused, subsystems undifferentiated, and over-concern for others leads to a loss of autonomous development i don't know if that's 100 fair i think i think uh i think linus has significantly more autonomous development with the vlog if i can if i can project yeah i uh well well it's not the not the autonomy i definitely develop more with yvonne in my life i would be not at all i would be a stunted boy if it wasn't for her

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I don't know. I don't think I made that decision. i don't think i was part of that decision i think it was a good decision i think that was uh nick and um i was involved and there might have been some other parties involved but i was just float plane at that time um the features looked good the customizability looked good. The functionality without investing in development looked adequate. I think that was a pretty heavy reason why at the time. Yeah, I don't think them being our Canadian bros was a factor, but like... It's neat.

They may be tech bros, but at least they're Canadian tech bros. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. We were happy with the features. Not saying anything negative about WooCommerce. We just like the site, but we, uh,

yeah, we like the site. Shopify has been great, a great partner. I would, I would, now that I am influencing some of those decisions, I would,

I would make it. They've been a great partner in some ways. What? I don't know. I feel like it's a jab and i don't even know why moving on hey dll my second lanyard is about to break at the swivel if you had the chance to change or add a feature to an existing product what would it be uh backpack second layer excluded um oh man that's uh that's a good question what would i add to an existing

product i mean nothing's perfect obviously pretty happy with most of the stuff though i would add okay how do i answer this question without teasing, you know, like a V2 of something? Oh, oh, I would definitely, I would definitely add more options for water bottle lids. I think that's something that if we had the same inventory management capabilities that we have today, that we would have been able to tackle in the past. So you can like mix and match your lid with your order. That's, that's something that I'd like to go back and undo yeah that's fair that makes sense all right hey guys i mentioned the ff tactics mod reach to reach the future to line us a while back

still recommend it luke we modify the game's code directly in mips assembly is this a useful code language to know uh i mean it seems to be working for you yeah i mean i i don't know i'm not very familiar with it um one of the ways that you can try to find out is try to do some digging on what companies use it and why um like one of the reasons why people talk about cobalt a lot is because it's relatively heavily used in the financial sector um big money there important things running on it and companies that are going to be willing to shell out a decent amount to get stuff done can confirm that's still on my to-do list nice haven't gotten to it yet but it's on there what are we hearing? What is that?

That's a bird. Wow. Microsoft adds, adds, adds, adds. Microsoft has announced that it will be adding a Game Pass recommendation card to a panel in the Windows 11 Settings homepage for users who game on their PC. This ad will also only appear on Pro and Home versions of Windows 11, and then only if users are signed into their Microsoft account. If the user already uses Game Pass on that computer, then the recommendation card will instead advertise a new or potentially interesting game.

Likewise, the Windows 11 PC Manager tool, a utility-slash-security tool that's available in only certain regions, now suggests as part of its Repair Tips section that users can repair their system by switching back to bing as their default search engine these things aren't directly related to each other other than that they're just more obnoxious ways that microsoft is making windows not just shut up get out of my way and let me use my computer this is software that for me anyway i paid 100 for off actually though like if you guys want to have a tiered system you want to have free windows and it's full of all this bullshit

no problem if you if you don't pay for the product you you are the product, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Fine. But when I pay a hundred dollars for a piece of software, which to me is a significant amount of money. Yeah. I expect your ads to off. Completely agreed. That is all I have to say about that. Yeah. I have a message in float plane chat from Joshua Carroll.

So the undeleting picks just happened to me after seeing the show title i started the update on my iphone the update just got over and it's real pics of my ex including suggestive ones are back in my camera roll that could have been awkward man p.s i have yeah what yeah it's not syncing it's like finding so it might be the pointer thing yeah my old pointers yeah it's finding files and re-pulling them out at least in this case that's what that sounds like because there's no way it's syncing if he has iCloud off and I guess depending on how much data you write to your phone like you might not run over it yeah we we don't necessarily overwrite our phone data unless we're like you know regularly recording long videos right like it's not like you can fill your phone up with apps anymore the way that we used to the oldest photo accidentally recovered was 21st september 2022

wow that's been from like a year and a half ago that's that's rough man just be glad that you have this when show as an excuse to show to point the current SO at. So you can be like, this is why they're there. Imagine. Oh my God. Yvonne and I hand each other our phones without a moment's thought.

Yeah, I do that too. We're in a very trusting, I was about to say very open relationship. Different meaning these days. Different meaning look no judgment no judgment on my part whatever works for consenting adults is works for consenting adults yeah um but we're in a very we're in a very trusting relationship and and to us that's no big deal but i can't i i'm not gonna say that if pictures of an ex-girlfriend were just like there in my camera roll yeah freaking when she went to you know look for a recent picture that we snapped to the kid if you if you had read this article that would raise some questions if

you hadn't read this article or watched this wan show and that happens what do you do what do you pray this is this is probably gonna happen to at least one person pray to zeus strike me down now fix this or just do it just just get rid of it oh my goodness it's like yeah like what how do you explain i you're just at a complete loss this picture is just here and like people are saying that it comes to the top of your camera roll right like it must show the date because uh metadata probably shouldn't be changed yeah there's like a there's got to be a way to find the date that it was taken but it would have jumped to the top of your camera roll which like as someone who hasn't used that app because i don't really use iphones i would assume that's because it was like recently accessed or something like if i was the person finding this information that would be what i would jump to

right like you must have looked at this recently or something apple single-handedly fixing the dating pool issue i can't take credit for that who was that in floatplane chat that's pretty good i don't know someone good job good job take that blue bubbles relationship ruined you only you got in this relationship because you didn't have an android you got out of this relationship because you didn't have an Android. You got out of this relationship because you didn't have an Android. Nice. Google gave us back the old web search, then hit it. Google has announced that it will be rolling out Gemini-infused AI Google search for all users, which includes results organized using generative AI, as well as AI overviews used to summarize topics.

Google has also added a web search tab that filters out everything but text-based results wait hold on similar to how google search used to work in the 90s and 2000s generative ai is sorting results which includes results organized using generative ai i don't know don't know don't overthink the talk of the uh notes oh sure organized using machine learning okay there uh google has also added a web search tab oh yep there we go uh okay so the web search tab is hidden under the more drop down menu meaning that many users will likely never find it but it kind of looks awesome i was looking at the side by side in the in the Verge article, and I was like, dang, that actually looks way better.

Because just the random carousels of products and stuff are just not there. Google also announced updates to its AI models. Gemini Nano now has multimodal capabilities, so that is more than just text. There's also a new lower latency Gemini 1.5 Flash model. Blah, blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah google also presented project astra which the company calls their vision for the future of ai assistance

at this point i'm just gonna wait i'm starting i'm not i don't even cortana siri at some point one of them is gonna rise above the rest be legitimately useful and i'll try it then i just i just can't care we're in the rapid development fight phase which is which is fun but if you're if you're not that interested yeah i would just i would i don't think there's a huge point in being lightly paying attention yeah if it's if it's not your job to cover these things for a living you don't need to try alexa ai which i assume probably exists in a beta state somewhere internally at amazon like i just i don't know who cares yeah um perceive live audio and video

answering real time blah blah blah uh google slips a check to the doj this is kind of funny according to a motion filed by google this morning the company has written the federal government a cashier's check for triple the maximum damages claimed in the DOJ's ongoing antitrust trial. Triple! The company now claims that these monetary damages should be considered moot. judges and because the case involves a complicated intricate technology ecosystem which the doj has acknowledged is highly technical often abstract and outside the everyday knowledge of most prospective jurors discussion question here is why doesn't google want a jury wow you know no admission of guilt but like hey here's the maximum amount of money times some

multiplier that you guys might have i'm really glad that antitrust is heating up i hope they go after microsoft again for all the stuff that's going on with windows right now yeah i love that they're going after apple who have just been have been given a free pass just for what being trendy yeah you guys understand there there are they are just as much a part of this capitalist hellscape that we're all participating in this like post like anything mattering. They're not less a part of it because they charge more. Other than shareholder returns. Right.

Like the whole tech, the whole tech financing system is like broken because there's this expectation of this explosive growth in the money that you invest into these companies and it has to come from somewhere and guess what somewhere is you apple is by apple is absolutely a participant they are prime participant in this and the fact that they were just like given a free pass because they have a cute commercial where a trendy guy is like you're a pc you wear a suit like are you for real i think that's pretty old at this point but yeah i hear you uh what is this about uh i forget i forget exactly what antitrust thing this was something good i hope yeah yeah yeah uh what else we got today uh did we go back to the merch messages we owed them yep yeah yeah yeah we we did. You want to talk about the live service game

that went offline and removed microtransactions? I know nothing about this game. What I do know is I jumped on the Steam page right before the show, and recent reviews are mostly negative, which is bad, and all reviews are mixed, and it's currently in early access.

Okay, so let's... Rough start. The stage is set. Developer Airship Syndicate has delisted its mmorpg wayfinder and has announced that it will be transitioning the game from a free-to-play live service game which just that's all i need to know to dislike it heavily to a single player offline game with optional two or three player co-op and no microtransactions what a pivot the developer likewise claims that they will be adding content to deepen the game's rpg elements the new roadmap includes that airship syndicate uh the developer plans to relaunch the game in

early access for a one-time purchase of 25 because again it's it's no longer free to play live service games so they got to charge for it. And there's no microtransactions. They need to make money somehow. That makes sense. This decision seems to have upset many existing players so that's why it's mostly negative right now. Especially those who bought the game

for $150 with the exalted founders back as they feel they invested in a very different game than the one they are now getting that's fair consequently several have posted negative reviews on steam demanding refunds also fair to be completely honest if you're completely changing the entire game you should probably get a refund uh the root cause of this change appears to be the fact that wayfinders original publisher digital extremes which recently closed its

publishing division and divested from the game transferring ownership over to airship syndicate themselves the development team called the change a big shift but a necessary one to guarantee that the game is around forever forever is a strong word yeah in better gaming news um the uh the the i think it was the the mission lead on cyberpunk huh uh hold on they they they worked on the like the the mission design for cyberpunk um was this before or after it was this is super cool they um they were celebrating that cyberpunk has officially oh wow crossed over into i they were either celebrating that it is officially very positive all time or they were celebrating that recent is overwhelmingly positive whoa highlight over recent real quick or the the overwhelmingly positive 99 is that 99 95 95 wow yeah so shout out cd project

red yeah for like royally f***ing this thing up and then man sticking with it that is both lucky the fact that people kept buying the game enough and they had enough cash reserves to do it not every developer would have even had the option they just would have completely run out of money luckily cd project had a lot of other things going well for them at the same time yeah so so so it's lucky and also whatever the whatever in integrity is in integ integris high integrity let's go with that um so shout out love it you know let's highlight positive stories that we come across as well that's really cool so great job you guys vng supernova says no they shouldn't have released it broken initially so no praise nah that doesn't that doesn't work that doesn't know we this is we

hammered on them when it came out and it sucked and now we praise them when it's good it's the same thing with microsoft we went after them when they did the studio closer thing and then we said hey cool you released a really neat controller we can't just be we look how many how many companies are even left making games we can't just hate all of them forever anytime they do anything bad we can hate blizzard forever if you like nice okay nice and and we can we can be mad at bethesda for a long time maybe not forever but hopefully they fix it come on guys please okay but we can be mad at them for a while but like what is the point of just being angry all the time even and like is it worth it no it's really not so if someone does something bad even ea someone pointed out ea is dead yeah sure but i mean leadership might

change the people that work there are going to change constantly like the company's going to be a completely different company in seven ten years think about the kind of company that you don't necessarily normally think of as a company think about a sports team okay dude from from from from 10 years ago to today how many people on that right yeah they all they all have the same brand on their shirt right but how many of those people are even still there is the team that you're cheering for today the same team it's it's the team of theseus right yeah and there are cases where long-term leadership does result in a culture that is just rotted out from the inside we've seen that but you've also got to understand that even

those like rotten companies are going to have people that are really passionate and really dedicated and really positive and really excited and really worth supporting and so when those projects go well and when things like okay um ubisoft is the publisher for one of my favorite series ano yeah um so what i'm gonna refuse to buy and to it. And we can simultaneously look at how Anno 1800 has been treated, which is amazing. They've got so many seasons of extra content, and it's like meaningful extra content. Good stuff.

Not just like some stupid cosmetic statue. And they do have that. Sure. But they've also got like... That's usually a part of a big content package. Yeah. And people want that sometimes. There's, what are they called? Beauty builders or whatever or whatever yeah like we can celebrate what's really good and but

that doesn't mean we have to forget the things that were bad and that when something else bad happens we can definitely you know we're not stupid right like we can definitely start to notice patterns but come on guys it's not is it good for your own mental health to be angry forever that's that's another thing i want to i want to bring this up to you yeah agent rick justice posted this and i've been thinking about this as well he said i like the wayfinder thing they couldn't afford to keep it an mmo uh when the publisher dropped out instead of killing the game they made it still playable that's my main takeaway as well and like i'm like ah yeah they should refund those players they may not be able to like having your publisher just leave that's got to be really rough and i suspect that out of their out of their options

of only bad out of their only bad options they chose something that in my opinion is pretty good um i don't know it sucks for some people it sucks for the people that bought that 150 pack and then now the game that they you know they wanted to buy it's not going to be that anymore all that type of stuff i get that that sucks i'm not saying it's good for those people but their publisher's gone they can't keep running this thing they they try to do something that is good and i i yeah i don't know it makes sense i think it's good and right okay what i was going to say was was ano 1800 has been treated super well and then from that same publisher from movie soft we get stuff like

skull and bones and it's just like yeah i mean we'll we'll we will sit here and talk positively about how no 1800 has been treated it's a fantastic game it's had really good advancement over its current lifespan all this other type of stuff and then also crap on you know the first quadruple a game ever like it's it's you can say both things right um new york subways are adding ai gun scanners how the devil is this even supposed to work new york city will be testing ai powered gun scanners in their subway system they come from a company called evolve and several u.s states are likewise considering installing them in schools new york's mayor has promised that the city will conduct an analysis of the scanners accuracy despite the fact that the city already tested the scanners two years ago and found that the scanners alerted around 26 of the time and its detections were 85

false um with another 14 being police officers only 0.57 of alarms were determined to be legitimate cases of non-law enforcement persons carrying a weapon likely indicating that the alarm sounding when the person happened to have a weapon was essentially a coincidence yeah i mean i would believe that 0.57 percent of americans just happen to have a gun on them so like i don't think you can in new york can you well yeah but just i don't know just anyways yeah i mean yeah fair enough it's america second amendment right what do you mean yeah like don't do the accent yeah come on we've got our american viewers out there you can't just they appreciate it can't just be like well they can yeah they can but don't shoot in the air shoot in the air yeah they probably know

that critics claim that the system could potentially cost millions it could cause transit delays and needlessly place citizens in frequent conflict with the police is this like if you get if you get falsely flagged like are you just are you you're just like well endowed yeah that's when your own government uh you know tells you that your penis is too big he's packing falsely flagged is that like super sick is this an honor is this like when you get called a cheater in a video game falsely flagged attack yeah um yeah it's like thank you for saying that i cheated in counter-strike because now i just feel like i'm good it's like thank you for saying that i had a gun asus is apologizing for their strange and expensive repair quotes um uh okay asus has issued an apology for causing confusion and frustration in its rma processes following multiple reports from customers in canada and the u.s that the

company was issuing massive bills to repair minor and superficial damage while failing to fix the actual issues that the device had been sent in for at At least one Canadian was quoted nearly $3,800 Canadian dollars, so that's about just under $3,000 US dollars, to fix a plastic safety indent on a power connector on his RTX 4090, which is more than the card originally cost to buy because it was allegedly not covered under ASUS's standard warranty. While the issue was eventually resolved, ASUS never clarified the reason for the odd quote.

ASUS says that any repairs covered under the manufacturer's limited warranty have always been and will continue to be free of charge and that they are revising their repair pricing structure for out of warranty products including a review process for abnormal pricing to ensure consistency transparency and fairness they likewise state that they will no longer automatically offer repair quotes for cosmetic imperfections that don't affect device functionality i think that asus has a lot of self-reflection to do i mean we encountered this back when we secret shopped them a while ago where we basically had to drag them to water to get them to drink to solve our problem and it wasn't even that they didn't ultimately solve it or that they tried to give us the runaround for us it just came down to more

incompetence i think um right if you if you listen to that video and just kind of listen to our our poor guys trying to explain that our issues we just want you to explain power connectors to us um you I guess all I can really say is give me a reason to not be mad anymore. You know, back to what we were back to what we were talking about just now. I don't, I don't have the energy anymore to be mad forever. So what I need to see from Asus is I need to see a clear and obvious change.

I want the next Reddit thread about Asus customer support in our, in our subreddit to be about the outstanding exchange. Yeah. Turn it around and like, and the storytelling arc of that was, was amazing. You like host videos or something? Yeah,

I know. Right. That's fantastic. The, the tie in of the previous topic and that was amazing. Do you like host videos or something? Yeah, I know, right? That's fantastic. The tie-in of the previous topic is so good. Came to me in a dream. I dream of graphics cards. And this is a tough one for me because I like the products, generally speaking. They've had some duds.

Pretty much every company has had some duds. I've read a lot of asu stuff over the years yeah me too and i have this this this sucks because this makes it like how do you recommend and you know what you know what i i'm i'm glad this is happening right because it's it's time that they finally got a wake-up call because they've always i don't think this would have blown up the way that it has if they had largely had a lot of goodwill built up with the community but they don't and that's the problem and so those years of like yeah they fixed it but like the experience kind of sucked

it was pulling teeth or they made this they give me this weird repair quote and i'm like no don't fix that and just like like like these years of kind of annoying stories um have built up in such a way that all it took was for a match to drop and of course it was going to go up in flames and i'm glad that they're finally taking notice and i hope that we see you know real prolonged change um and what i also hope is that other entities in the tech space sit up and take notice of this because the kinds of horror stories that you see from an asus are the same kinds of horror stories that you see from many of the other big pc component makers yeah it's just that asus is the biggest and they happened

to be the one that got called on it um so hopefully everyone else is sitting up taking notice of this and going oh okay we got to get this together um and you know what the reality of it is these complaints about these companies are not always in good faith. I had a really bizarre exchange with someone in my DMs a while back where they were like, hey, ASUS is a big sponsor of yours and I want you to talk about this story of how awful my experience has been. And what happened was they RMA'd a laptop

and ASUS was like, yeah, it's broken and we're going to replace it with this one and the guy's like okay and then they were like oh actually we can't get that one it's this one and it was a better machine but it was amd and buddy was like i want intel and i am outraged and i was like yo um this is a significantly better machine it has it has it will give you better battery life and better performance it even has a higher msrp um you need to relax and you need to just take what they're offering you because it's a good offer and then he ended up instead of being mad at asus he ended up being mad at me and asus and i'm like sorry i'm not gonna lie to you nice sick i mean this is this is like a comment whenever there's like uh

bandwaves in video games you get a lot of people riding the i was falsely flagged like whenever whenever that starts becoming a big thing a lot of people will jump on that train trying to get some of the goodwill. But Asus' problem is that there were enough legitimate stories that they're susceptible to it. So I guess, you know, what they... And everyone, for a while, because this happened, everyone is going to believe anyone that claims that they were mistreated, even if they're just trying to abuse. that they were mistreated even if they're just trying to abuse so and that's going to cost asus a lot more in like bullshit claims than if they had just dealt with everything properly in the first place so now they need to to effectively overcompensate to uh get out of this so good luck um and i think you know in terms of our collaborations with them going forward, we really need to see a difference that is measurable within our community.

Some people are pointing out that there might have been a specific reason why they wanted the Intel system or that some things could work better on the Intel system. Yeah, they didn't. Trust me. I was getting... He's condensing a conversation. Essays about this this they just wanted intel because they were brand loyal to intel and i'm sorry but i just don't have a ton of patience for that this is this is something that linus would have discussed he's condensing the conversation i

love so many of the people that i've worked with at intel over the years um you know i i respect a lot of their a lot of their processes uh you know i respect their engineering acumen and the product and and all those things but with all due respect if you are like some kind of um loyal fanboy to intel that's that's pretty fucked up like i uh i just i don't know just don't do that yeah uh marvel rivals game devs apologize for banning negative reviews banning negative reviews yeah the team behind marvel rivals an upcoming hero shooter has apologized for requiring creators to sign contracts including a non-disparagement clause banning public statements uh detrimental to the reputation of the game in order to participate in its closed alpha play test

in their apology the team referred to the issue as a miscommunication and stated that they encourage creators to share honest thoughts suggestions and criticisms as they play they say they are working with the creators who voice concerns to revise the contracts it is less restrictive the issue was first flagged by uh by stream brandon larnett aka seagull by streamer got it that makes a lot more sense aka seagull who expressed concern that uh many creators have signed the contract without really reading it uh just so that they could access the game non-disparagement clause yeah that that sounds uh like a mistake not necessarily a miscommunication um i suspect this was supposed to be an nda because it's an alpha version of the game so they were like hey don't talk about it yet the number of times that i've seen a professional

law office basically just like copy paste something. Oh, dude, we talked about this on the show a while ago. Oh yeah, we did. I think I did last week. I have caught the, I've found the thing that they copied it off of before. Like, yeah. So I suspect it wasn't a miscommunication.

There's probably a bit of Hanlon's razor here. I suspect it was a mistake. And someone is just covering their butt going like, oh yeah, miscommunication. That's not what I meant. I mean. Which might be true because they didn't mean that because they didn't mean it to be in there. I think it was a mistake. someone is just covering their butt going like oh yeah miscommunication what i meant i mean which might be true because they didn't mean that because i didn't mean it to be in there i think it was a mistake um glad they're fixing it glad they're apologizing i think it's i think it's frustrating you know as an end user or as an observer to see something like this and go like

well can't you guys just own it can't you just tell us what actually went wrong but the reality of it is most organizations for legal or privacy or hr reasons can't necessarily just say yeah it was it was jeffrey from legal who screwed it up like they actually can't do that um literally be legally unable to um people pointed out that apparently you were able to stream it so it's not like it should have been covered by nda okay interesting um another person deep blue said i mean it's an alpha of a game you may not want people to be overly critical of it since it is clearly still in development um i don't think that's fair i still suspect this is a case of the right hand not talking to the left hand yeah um and i i i suspect that if it wasn't for human pride and hr rules and legal rules probably we'd get a more uh a more straightforward answer but this is probably the best we're going to get yeah i think i think if you're doing something like that and you're worried about criticism because it is a true alpha while a lot of games

will like sort of pretend to be an alpha or beta um i think that's just something that you you push the creators to communicate you might even make it so that a requirement of the contract is to communicate that this is like still in development alpha not final blah blah blah um all right is it time for after dark can be i'm missing my own party right now anything is possible oh he can do it remotely now sick yeah all right dan me last time yeah yeah everybody should be lazy automation is great uh let's see sup dll i would love to know if you guys have been following the rather impressive amd strix halo point apu benchmarks and specs leaks and whether it will be bad news for intel's battle mage i am hoping for the best it looks like

it's going to be flipping awesome and very exciting i uh i try not to take leaks with With any less than about a wheelbarrow full of salt. So, maybe. I'll evaluate it once I've got my hands on it. But if it's anywhere near as good as the leaks look, yeah, Intel's got to figure some stuff out. Dan, what happened? I pushed the wrong button. Oh, again. What's this? That's our sponsors, Luke.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I even double-checked and then I just pushed it anyway he got me on that one darn it what's this what is a computer what's a computer stop all the downloading

I really hope people understand the reference that entire video lives in my brain I'm a computer I really hope people understand the reference. G-I-J-O! That entire video lives in my brain, rent-free. I'm a computer! I'm a computer! I'm glad you understand that. Oh, it's, I, yeah. Pork chop sandwiches!

Was a very often said thing in my house. Anyways, we just confused a lot of people i miss proto internet yeah me too uh next one yeah sure if you if you finish that one off i'm sorry i ruined that whole thing i i don't know i haven't followed spec leaks battle mage yeah we'll find out soon yeah hello dll i DLL. I'm currently in flight school. My dad is convinced that I will be the last generation of commercial pilots. With the maturity of autopilot and planes, how do you feel about no crew flights? Also, party shot.

Party shirt restock. We are definitely still going to need crews, but it might be more like bouncers. Did you see that fight that broke out on a plane on a plane recently no but i mean there's been tons yeah did they tape them to the chair again that's been a standard maneuver lately i don't know but that's hilarious i haven't actually seen people being taped to the chair the people that freak out if they won't settle down they just like tape them to the chair and then people just don't sit next to them and it's like okay we'll wait till we land and then someone can deal with you that's awesome put the new atlas robots on there it's just like fold them up in the like overhead baggage

i thought you meant the atlas robots could just fold up the people you have become cube both can be true yeah um i i don't know i i suspect people are going to want human supervision for a considerable amount of time. Um, but probably not forever. So I don't know. I mean, the nice thing is that the planes like throw people out anyway. Now.

All right. It's its own bouncer. I mean, that was just that one plane that couldn't stay straight. Cause it was Boeing. That's pretty good. Sorry. I like that one hey hello i heard linus talk about his theory about nvidia making a shield 2 in a past video now that nintendo has confirmed that a switch 2 is in the works do you think it'll happen i still think so i still hope so i think nvidia just wants wants Nintendo to pay for the development of the chip,

and then they're just going to release a Shield Pro 2. That's what I'm kind of counting on, because that thing is bloody old at this point, and I want better AI upscaling. It really is. Luke, you often promote helping open-source projects as a way to build your resume as a software developer. Do you have any FOSS projects

that you want to draw more attention towards? Uh, no. as a software developer do you have any foss projects that you want to draw more attention towards uh no good day lld no go away i'll explain i'll explain there's a there's a video that's actually quite good from fio if you look up fio t3 on youtube there's don't contribute to open source it's actually a very good video um the point isn't to not contribute to open source it's actually a very good video um the point isn't to not contribute to open source the point is if you are the the problem with telling people to contribute to open source in order to make your like github more attractive for potential recruiters or when you're trying to put it on your resume and stuff like that the problem with that is that that often promotes very poor behavior where people are spamming commits that are often not helpful and sometimes actually just bad and wasting the time of the maintainers of said projects and it's it's become like actually an issue so if you like it looks very good

on you if you can make meaningful good useful contributions to open source projects but it can be a red flag if a recruiter or a person doing hiring, stuff like that, if they look at your GitHub and then see a lot of garbage things. So what Luke is trying to say is, don't let him suggest the project. Find something you're passionate about. Yes. And really have a meaningful impact on it. That's going to look way better.

If you can make actually good commits to something that you're interested in, so you're actually going to spend time working on it if you're not wasting the time of maintainers so you're actually like giving them good stuff that will reflect very well but just being like hey suggest something to me so that i can get hired um actually like just isn't really going to work so find something that brings meaning to you there's a lot of stuff out there i'm sure you can do it hey wandy ll more specifically luke what do you tell your barber when you get your haircut i no longer go to my lifelong hairdresser so i have no clue what to tell a proper barber i google captain

america winter soldier and i find a frame of chris evans that shows his hair off decently well i mean would you consider a frame that shows off his butt because that's a good frame too probably if they could if they could make your butt look like that they'd be a pretty good barber yeah that's true got that cake uh but yeah i do that i uh i would i would look up myself i guess but i find finding that actually to be a lot more difficult than just looking up uh winter soldier chris evans so yeah that's what i showed go to a salon and make them pick yeah i did that once apparently people hate that that was really bad yeah apparently like uh like waiters and waitresses like freaking hate when you're like surprise me someone told me that

it depends on the person i think i do it anyways sometimes uh hey guys my 1000 person company recently went bankrupt and was bought by a giant conglomerate and i'm worried so much is going to change but i love my job how would you deal with this god i don't even know i'm trying to imagine like okay my company went bankrupt and was bought and i'm worried so much it's going to change but i love my job i mean that's me except we are not bankrupt and have not been purchased um how would i deal with this i'd probably cry a little and then cry a lot um okay a lot of attention. Yeah, ask a lot of questions. Yeah.

Be visible. I would say that's critical. Be visible to new management. It doesn't have to be, like, you know, for doing the best thing. Definitely don't want it to be for doing the worst thing. Make sure they know your name, though um that might give you a shot it might also like a human instead of a number not save you at all it might make no difference good idea though um but try to

yeah i would i would pay a lot of attention and prep for the worst but also you know these people might not be bad people to have connections with even if things go south they're still working in the industry yes you're in so you know don't just like be a jerk at work um try to do a good job hopefully things work out hopefully you like the new workplace and hopefully you get kept on but if any of those things aren't true you can still leave with a good clean bridge behind you and you can try to use this time a little bit to prepare to potentially leave if you do need to so yeah linus have you ever dealt with the rival fallacy what is it like achieving the level of success that you have what how does it feel after i had to look this up um uh hold on i need to i need to do another one really quick before i lose it i accidentally archived it and i feel

really bad i don't think i can find it anymore oh no oh yeah no no no it ended up in the right place okay so i had to look this up um so it refers to the belief that attaining a particular goal will lead to long-term happiness so the most important thing to understand is this belief is not grounded in reality i i don't think i've experienced the arrival fallacy because i i don't think i ever believed that i had a um i don't think i ever had a belief that achieving some kind of goal with like Linus Media Group or, you know, having kids or like in my relationship, I don't think I ever believed that that would result in long term happiness. separate issue where i was so focused on survival that i wasn't really giving any thought to what success looked like and um and what an end game looked like i mean i i you know strategized and planned right you know we talked about yvonne's if i die folder you know earlier in the show like i i would talk about like here's what i would want to

happen like if i was out of the picture for some reason to the company and stuff like that but like i didn't i didn't really like internalize it and um you know for me uh reaching the level of success that i did when i did that i've been thinking of retiring stream uh where i i spoke from the heart about how i how i felt about you know being at a point in my life where realistically i've done everything i set out to do whether i whether i had really you know written that down as a plan or not um reaching that point where um you know nothing really mattered anymore like if i if i died that day um my kids would go to school you know they'd they'd they'd have all their university paid for and like um i think the

company probably could have survived at that point like it would have been kind of tough going for a little bit but they probably could have figured it out um i don't know empty like it was challenging i had to i had to figure out how to find a purpose again i talked about that at the end of the stream just um you know figuring out how to how to do something because you want to um and figuring out how to want to doing it on your own terms rather than just because you have to because switching over from just like fight or flight survival mode to i i i can survive now um i've achieved the goal i have a big problem with that personally if i don't have a fight i tend to mentally fall really fast i like need something to kind of rage against to a certain degree um but uh something that i've

tried to do is have a have a next plan like if you have a goal be like okay this achieving this goal will unlock my ability to progress into this next thing if you can do that that can be pretty good like for me a lot of stuff recently has been fitness so it's like okay if i get to this certain level the certain benchmark that i'm aiming for that will allow me to focus on this other more different thing and just try to always have the next thing kind of planned out so there the arrival isn't really so much of a you can maybe celebrate it but it's a short celebration then it's back to work yeah right lul me go to bed it's late and float plane chat it's over it's after four in the morning there hello dll.ing my dad calls himself a tech enthusiast but doesn't watch the wan show

what suggestions do y'all have to get him plopped on the couch next to me? Appreciate all y'all do. I don't know. The Canucks are having a heck of a playoff run. Watch some hockey? Yeah. You don't have to. I mean, what tech entertainment show would you, like, be plopped on the couch for a long time, like, watching?

Watch some, I don't know, like... I don't know. Does like nasa marquez's stuff that kind of tech but uh waveform like yes a podcast are we trying to suggest tech entertainment shows i think so silicon valley yeah watch silicon valley heck yeah watch silicon valley watch technology connections sure go watch that stuff technology connections is sick yeah all right there good we got a good one oh crap uh oh oh no uh sorry i i i moved it somewhere i'm just gonna read it i know linus loves talking about canadian housing problems have you seen the latest headlines about the cra coming after tenants for taxes of foreign landlords it just sounds like yet another um yet another

fake solution um i think that unless they're spectacularly stupid you know our policymakers absolutely understand what the underlying issues are and they've shown clearly that they have no intention whatsoever of fixing them institutional investment in residential housing needs to stop yeah if they want to collect more taxes they need to collect taxes from people who own many properties um like that's that's the way that you can both enact a wealth tax which is something that they obviously have a great interest in. If you've been following Canadian politics, um, that's a way that you can enact a wealth tax while also easing the pressure on people who need access to housing. two birds with one stone but the reason that nobody wants to do it is because the policymakers are landowners and they benefit from always rising land costs so instead they are enacting you know oh here why don't we take taxpayer dollars that we take from everyone and why don't we use it to uh as like uh to give out as a rent subsidy and on the surface of it that sounds like a good idea it's almost like a universal basic income top-up kind of thing for um for the for the less fortunate for lower earners but in

practice no what they're actually doing is they're giving it to landowners they're giving it directly to landowners themselves which is themselves um so it's pretty it's pretty fucked up um so no i don't know i i i saw a headline about that i hadn't looked into it in any detail but the whole thing is just it's f***ed um and if i was in charge we'd do it differently but i'm not and i'm not gonna be but what i am gonna be is gaming yeah we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. I got a LAN party to get to. Time for some tape to tape.

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