The WAN Show - Is Apple FINALLY the Best for Gaming? - WAN Show Sept 27, 2019

Episode Date: September 28, 2019

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I think you're supposed to tweet, too. Oh, really? Jake, why would you tell me to go live if you knew that we needed to tweet? Oh, you went live. Welcome to the WAN Show, guys. You get to hang out for an hour with James and Anthony, also known as Anthonames. I can tweet for you. Anthony?

I'll tweet for you. Anthonames. Anthonames? I mean, that is a name, I guess. It's the first time this combination has happened. I feel like it's a no compromises solution here. No compromises. If you love Anthony but hate James, you still get Anthony.

If you like James for some reason, he's here too. We've got a great show for you guys tonight. We're going to cover all sorts of crazy stuff, including a comparison of the Google Play Pass and Apple Arcade. Yeah, and that should be pretty good. We've also got the Amazon hardware event and the checkmate iPhone exploit. This Apple Arcade thing is actually more interesting

than I thought. Roll the intro. Let's get into it. BITCH! VertiGear, I'm in your chair. Sabotage Turkey. Displate. Cool. Oh, my God.

We're terrible. I think this is going to be a good day. It's going to be a good weekend. It's a Friday. Aren't we doing an actual video on this Google Pay Pass versus Apple Arcade? Yeah, I think so. I think, isn't Nicholas on that? Or was it Jake? I'm not sure if it was Jake or Nicholas.

I don't know, but I'm actually surprised at how cool this topic is. So, I believe that the Apple Arcade subscription came out first, and that's something that was announced Hey, you guys, be quiet over, and that's something that was announced. Hey, you guys, be quiet over there. It's something that was announced at the Apple keynote along with the iPhone 11.

Yep. And that one seems simpler. It's basically just you pay $5 a month, and you get games. Basically, yeah. But Google's answer to that, which they must have had in development way before, I don't think it's like a,

oh, yeah, Apple, hold my beer. It's like obviously something like this they've had in the works for a while. Anyway, their answer isn't just games. It's a lot of games, but it's also apps. Okay. Like I hadn't been keeping up on this because I'm a filthy iOS user for some reason. That's so weird to me. Yeah, it's weird to a lot of people.

But like I've got this MacBook Pro. I hacked it to have continuity, and yeah, it just works. Google Play Pass is a paid subscription service for Google Play that allows access to around 350 apps and games, removing ads as well as the upfront and in-app

price of the game. So if an app is normally $2 to buy it, that price will be gone. Or if there's freemium stuff inside, that would be included as well. So how do they handle stuff like, oh, you need this many gems to continue? I don't know. I think it's like you're out of energy. Do you just charge it to your Google Play? What was the code that you typed in StarCraft for more money?

Not Black Sheet Wall, not Power Overwhelming. Someone knows this. Chat? It's going to be so obvious. Anyway. They don't have it caught up yet, I don't think. So it's going to start with about 350 apps and games, but they say they're going to add more stuff every month

with titles like This War of Mine and Cytus coming soon. And I think when you're going through the Play Store, if one of the apps or games that you see on the Play Store is within the purview of the subscription, it's going to have a special logo on it. They made, like, a Google material design stylized ticket logo. It looks like an Admit One kind of ticket. Maybe this Android Police link.

Let's see here. Do they have any? Yeah. There it is. I think that's a nice little logo. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of cute. PlayPass.

It's so hard to say. PlayPass. Because I want to say Google Pay. Yeah, yeah. PayPass is coming to the U.S. this week at a price of $4.99 a month with availability extending to more countries soon. And you can do a 10-day trial, of course. And what's cool is it works kind of like the family plan

on Google Play Music, where it's a family pass. So if you pay the five bucks a month for the Play Pass ticket, you can give that up to five different family members. And it's totally exclusive, or they're mutually exclusive. So if you download a certain game, it doesn't affect me.

Everyone's kind of segregated in that way. Okay. Is it unlimited like the Apple Games Pass is? Apple Arcade? What do you mean? I think... Actually, let me just quickly pull this up because it's here in my app store. Arcade, yeah.

All you can play free for one month. Oh, so they give you a one-month free trial on iOS. Yeah. Whereas they give you 10 days on Android. Mm-hmm. But iOS looks like it's just games, whereas, again, you said Android was games and apps. That's right.

Hmm. But here's something that's actually super interesting, though. The thing with the Apple Arcade, it has all these constraints that kind of change the whole nature of the thing. So on Apple Arcade, it's all games, no apps. The games are exclusive to Apple's mobile platform. So there can be games on there that maybe also are on Switch or on Xbox, but none of the games on Apple Arcade will be on Android.

Okay? Okay. In addition to that, once the games are available, if the game's in Arcade will be on Android. Okay? Okay. In addition to that, once the games are available, if the game's in Arcade, it's not available on iOS, not in Arcade. Oh. You can't just go to the App Store and get these games and play the paid version, which is how

it works on Android. If I don't have the Play Pass, I can still pay two bucks for the game or play the free version of the game and then buy all the free-to-play or pay-to-win stuff that's in the game. And so this kind of premium currency. How do you convert that to like a premium, like a play, like an all-you-can-eat pass? I don't exactly know how Google is doing that. But what I'm saying is like they don't have to even cross that bridge on the Apple Arcade.

Right. The game doesn't have these built-in mechanics to keep you playing and stuff. It can be like games used to be, when they thought you just paid for the ticket and now you can take the ride, and the ride can be all myriad things. The ride doesn't have to be designed to give you these dopamine hooks at very specific intervals to keep you playing for another five hours and putting more coins in the machine. Yeah. So that's why we made the title of this episode what we did because it's kind of like those are kind of the

games i want to play yeah like if they can make like a story-driven rpg or something that you know doesn't require any micro transactions that sounds great to me like that's the kind of thing that's very rare on a mobile device. But I don't see how that can translate over to Google Play unless they make $20 games that you can purchase on the Play Store. Yeah, and the other side of it is that if there's really, really huge games that are on iOS and Android, those games are not going to be on Apple Arcade because those games aren not going to be on Apple Arcade because the opportunity cost of missing out on all this revenue from the different platforms isn't going to be

worth it for those games to just be exclusive to Apple Arcade. Well, I mean, that really depends on what you define as worth it because Apple probably has quite a bit of cash to throw at people to do that. Yeah, that's one thing we don't know is how they're being compensated. So we had some notes here about how Google was going to compensate developers. Initially, they planned to pay developers based on a formula that focused on how much time the games were being played. But that's problematic as it encourages the creation of games

that require players to grind forever in order to boost developer payouts, right? Like, if I'm getting paid per time you spend in my game, I'm not going to have a game that is just tedious or, like, a long, bloated game. It's like a dark incentive. What happens with idle games where, like, you have a timer going in the game and then you, like, come along and get a bunch of stuff later? Like, Does that count as playtime if it's idle time?

What do you mean by idle time? Have you ever played... Okay, so there's these games on mobile and also on web browsers and stuff. Basically what they do is while idle, a score will start counting up and then you can

come back into the game, make some decisions and then leave it for a while and then you can come back into the game, make some decisions and then leave it for a while and then you can come back and make some more decisions. That kind of thing. Like time ticks on and you kind of want time to tick on. Like if I'm playing Harvest Moon 64 and I want winter to be over or something like that. I leave it on. It's not quite the same

but yeah. Sorry, it's been a long time. It's been a long time for me. I'm referencing Harvest Moon 64. Well, have you ever played the original Harvest Moon? On SNES? Yeah. No, I don't think so. I prefer it, to be honest.

Really? Yeah. I don't know why, but it's basically the same game. So in response to the developer outcry, Google's FAQ now reads, Developers earn a royalty that is based on algorithmic methods that incorporate signals which capture how users value all types of content, from

weather apps to narrative-driven indie games. That sounds hard to build. How? How are they planning to do that? Algorithmic methods, Anthony. We're going to incorporate signals. Like the same way that, like, did you see the tweet that I made earlier?

I typed in iPhone 11 Pro on YouTube. Oh, that's what that was. Yeah. And it was like, oh, hey, you must be looking for the related content, The Last of Us 2. Like, this is the algorithm they're going to compensate. Well, did you click on it? Did you? Well, it'll be its own algorithm, for? Well, did you click on it? Did you? Well, it'll be its own algorithm, obviously, but...

Well, I mean, same people. Well, yeah, but it's counterintuitive because, no, that video does not seem to be, like, a super related thing. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't keep people on the platform, which is their main goal, right? They want to just maximize watch time and satisfaction. Yeah, I guess so. Like, maybe people who like the iPhone 11 Pro are, like, really big into The Last of Us. But were you in an incognito browser, or were you just on, like, the ARC?

Oh, it was on my browser. So, like, it might have been. But it's related, though. Specifically you? Yeah. Well, do you like The Last of Us? Never looked it up. Hmm.

At least not on these computers. You probably love it. Probably. I just don't know it yet. I actually haven't played it. I don't know why. I think David loves that game. Should we cover this Amazon hardware now?

Yeah, I guess so. I don't know what this is all about. This is the first I've heard of it. Yeah, so Amazon had at their headquarters in Seattle, they had a big hardware event where in pure Amazon fashion, they announced like 17 new products, many of which are just like random and you'll probably never get. So they did that.

But there's some interesting things in here. They're doing earbuds, the Echo Buds, which somehow incorporate Bose active noise cancelling oh god there's so many ads so most of these devices if there's a theme it's well it's more echo devices for the home and like iterating on the devices they already had but the other theme is taking Alexa. I guess I shouldn't say that. Sorry, everybody.

Never mind. A-L-E-X-A. Taking the assistant out of the home and on the go with you. So that's the idea with the Buds. And it's also the idea with two kind of more novel devices, which are kind of interesting. A pair of glasses, which are prescription compatible, and they don't have a camera on them. They don't have a screen on them or any AR stuff.

They just have Alexa built in. Dang it, I did it again. Yeah, Echo frames, so they have ALEXA built in. Like, what are you supposed to do with that? Is it paired to your phone or something? I don't think the... I don't know if the frames are paired to your phone, but I know that the loop is paired to your phone.

The loop is... The echo loop is a ring. And admittedly, it still looks pretty not normal. Like, if I saw someone... That's pretty chunky. If I saw someone wearing that, I would know something was going on. Oh, I can't see that.

Yeah. The ring, the loop, Echo Loop, for $100, is an Alexa-enabled smart ring featuring two tiny microphones and a button for activating the device. It pairs with your phone, and it will vibrate to let you know when the assistant is listening, as well as when you're receiving a notification or a call. You can actually program one single contact onto the device

and call that one contact. But apparently you have to talk into it and put it to your ear to listen. That's a little weird, but that kind of makes sense. It's $100. It kind of is $100. Wait a hundred dollars it kind of is a hundred dollars but wait what it kind of is well they have this like day one feature on their website it's part of it's part of amazon where they have these kind of startup-y um kind of beta devices where they're only making a limited number of these things and you kind of have to get invited like given the

option to buy it and then you can give them their hundred dollars you know be it's kind of like a big beta program and then if the device is successful and they take your feedback then they'll double down and make a bunch of these things as they do yeah um because like smart watches exist this seems like a big problem for them because this is this is big like that ring like that looks like it goes between two knuckles like it is huge yeah you're like your hand would not be flat on a table yeah like that would be very inconvenient to wear in my opinion i don't i don't know why they thought it was a good idea. Like, maybe it would be good for kids, but then kids would never get it on their fingers. It does.

I think they do offer a few different sizes of it. But I don't know. Like, I don't use Echo. I'm not in that ecosystem. I use the Google Assistant. If there were a Google Assistant ring, I don't think I would care to wear it. I don't think it does enough for me yet. ring, I don't think I would care to wear it. I don't think it does enough for me yet.

But that said, I am super stoked that Amazon does do this. I'm stoked that they push out these like semi useless products. I'm stoked that they make these like weird products, like a microwave and everything. And that they just kind of shard out so many different things that maybe aren't the most polished, but I'm thankful because what it does is force the competition forward. Because now Google, like if this is going to be getting any traction at all, then maybe Google thinks, oh, dang, it's time for us to make our glasses, or it's time for us to make our ring, and then Apple thinks it's time for us to make our glasses, and it kind of just makes everybody compete a little more.

And then we eventually may get to the goal where maybe I can get a pair of Pixel Buds that don't pair to my phone, that have the Google Assistant, and the Assistant is advanced enough that I don't even need my phone. When smartphones came out, and still to this day, there's so many things that you can't do with them compared to a PC. The screen is super small. It's super inconvenient to use my smartphone screen to do a lot of tasks. But it's good enough to do tons of other tasks. And if the assistant gets better, if the assistant gets to the point where it can like, oh, you

just got a new email from so and so. Do you want me to read it? Sure. What's it say? Blah, blah, blah. And then I can reply to it and I can do all sorts of things like that. If I can get even like 60% of the things I could do with my phone just done with the Assistant, then that is truly disruptive. You can be in a developing country

where you don't have $1,000 for a new smartphone, but you might be able to get together $40 or $60 for these kinds of headphones, and suddenly that's like a whole new game changer. I see Amazon's products like this as like precursors to those kinds of headphones. And suddenly that's like a whole new game changer. I see Amazon's products like this as like precursors to those kind of devices. Okay, so it's kind of like almost like an alpha really, or a pre-alpha because they're gauging interest.

And to me, that angle makes sense because when I think about it, it wasn't that long ago that smartphones required a tether to your computer. Like, you had to, like, sync your contacts to your computer. You had to sync your music, your photos. You couldn't actually, like, fully use your smartphone without your computer. And even iPhones, when they first launched, needed iTunes for everything. Yeah, iTunes required iTunes.

iPods. iPods and iPhones required iTunes. Up until, I think, was it the 4 or 4S? Maybe it was the 5. Was it that long? Well, I think the first intermediary step was that iTunes came out for Windows. Yeah, and then you could use your iPod with Windows because previously it was a firewire mac device

which i think you can also use on windows to this day if you have a firewire card which is actually kind of cool but yeah like it used to be that you did not have an independent device other than your computer your computer was like the hub that everything plugged into. But the more devices like this become independent, yeah, the broader the accessibility becomes for everybody. Not even just in the first world, but like the third world as well. Well, I think it's weird though, it's, to me, I don't have a lot of appeal

for the Echo devices because, and I mean, I don't use it, and I'm sure this is a narrow view of it, but to me it seems like it's shopping focused. Google's goal is to deliver their main product, Google, to you, and that's answering questions, helping you query and sort information, whereas Amazon's goal is to sell you stuff. So I'm not that interested in this ring that helps me order new toilet paper when I'm out and about. You don't want one of those Amazon, what were they called? The buttons? The buttons? The dash button? Yeah, the dash. The Amazon dash.

I don't know. That was such a great April Fool's joke. I don't know. I don't know. I know maybe it's just because I came to Canada later. I have a couple friends that have Echos, but... Yeah, the Google ecosystem is more, let's say, robust at this point.

IMO. Amazon does push it forward in other areas earlier than Google, though. They acquired Ring before... Was it before that Google got Nest? It was certainly before... I think it was before. It may not have been before

they actually acquired Nest, but they were doing stuff with the Ring before Google was doing anything with Nest. Because it was only in the last hardware event that they unveiled all those integrated Nest and Assistant in one box kind of things. And it seems like they're heavily subsidizing that stuff too, which is helping, I think, for adoption.

Well, there's no way anyone else would sell the ring for $100. I wonder how much technology is actually in that little ring. Well, there's speakers and microphones and haptics and a button and Bluetooth, obviously. Haptics is tough to get in that small form factor. Hmm. Hmm. Did you hear about this checkmate?

Oh, yeah. It reminds me of, well, actually, it reminded Jake first, but it also reminds me of the green poison exploit back during the, I don't know, it was back in like the 2010s, sometime like 2010, 2011, somewhere around there. It was an unpatchable jailbreak that, yeah, took advantage of some flaws. And that's exactly what's happening here.

From the iPhone 4S to the iPhone X, all devices are impacted. That's everything from the, I think, the A5 processor up to the A12 or A11. A11. A11. Yeah. So basically that could mean that jailbreaking is back.

But it's a big if right now. This is an exploit. Right. It's an exploit. And we don't know if this exploit is going to develop into actual jailbreaks. That's true. It all depends on what the exploit

is capable of doing. If the exploit can actually enable unsigned code to execute, then all bets are off. That is absolutely 100% the case. That's how the Nintendo Switch got hacked. That's how the Sony PS Vita got hacked.

PSP got hacked. They found a way to run unsigned code, and they ran it. The PS3 got hacked in a different way, but that's, well, I mean, kind of both ways. So backing up a bit here, a newly announced iOS exploit could lead to a permanent,

unblockable jailbreak on hundreds of millions of iPhones, according to researcher Axiom X, who discovered it. So most generations of iPhones and iPads are vulnerable from the iPhone 4S on an A5 chip to iPhone 8 and iPhone 10

on the A11 chip. The Apple patched the flaw in last year's A12 processors, though, meaning that iPhone XS, XR, and the 11 and 11 Pros from this year will not be affected. So this exploit is called Checkmate with an 8 in the name. And it's a boot ROM vulnerability, which gives hackers deep access to iOS devices because this is the code that runs when you boot up. It's the first code that runs. You can't change this.

You can't patch this with a firmware update. Yeah, so if you can gain access to the boot ROM at a low level, no matter what that boot ROM is, then, yeah, you have control of the system. But you have to do this with a hard line plug-in, right? Like you have to have a USB plug-in? Yeah, probably. There may be an alternative. I don't know exactly.

I don't think they say. Yeah, it's a tethered exploit for now, meaning that it can only be triggered over USB, which means that each time you restart your device, you'll have to re-trigger the jailbreak. Oh, really? Yeah, that's what a tethered jailbreak means. It was kind of a bummer back when I was jailbreaking iPhones, and I think it's a big reason why people stopped doing it. That and the fact that Apple has actually been adding more and more of that jailbroken um functionality that people have come to expect from well their jailbreaks but

like i think it got to the point didn't the city a store shut down i thought it did so okay hold on a second if you the guy who did this or the group who did this, a lot of people would think that part of this is immoral. I can imagine Steve Jobs saying, you know, like, this is our property and you guys are ruining it and you're making the iOS experience, like, worse for everybody. But they actually have their own kind of rationale of why this is better for everybody. They said that this will make iOS better for everyone because jailbreakers and tweak developers

will be able to jailbreak their phones on the latest version, and they'll not need to wait around. They won't have to stay on older iOS versions waiting for a jailbreak, and for that reason, they'll be safer. Yeah, there are security implications of using older versions of iOS. The thing for me, though, is that my iPhone 6S Plus is not going to get iOS 14. But if I can stay on iOS 13 and this processor is vulnerable, then what I can do is I can jailbreak this and add features that are later

added to iOS. See, Apple wouldn't like that because then you're removing one incentive for you to upgrade to the next device. Right. And right now there are very few. Watch the review. Nick's here. Hey. Hey, Nick. Scoot, scoot, scoot, scoot, scoot, scoot, scoot.

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That is it for sponsors. Let's get back to the good stuff. Boss Dynamics is selling their Spot Robot now. Oh, God. They're selling something now? Okay. They're leasing the Spot Robot. Do you know which one Spot is?

Isn't that, like, the dog one? It's the small dog one. Okay. It used to be called Spot Mini. Now it's just called Spot. Okay. So they're leasing them, and only to like hand-picked companies, because I think they have limited quantities.

You can't just, I don't think we could get one if we just wanted one. That sucks. Yeah. But what possible utility could they have? Why would they be leasing them? Yeah, I think it's not for everybody. Like when you watch their robots on YouTube, you're like, holy cow, it's doing backflips, this thing can do anything. But in reality, like, you're not seeing all the outtakes of when it falls over or all the humans that are in the background helping out.

So there are very specific use cases, but those use cases do exist. These robots can't do everything for you, but they can do certain things really well. use cases do exist. These robots can't do everything for you, but they can do certain things really well. So in the case of Spot, one example I read about was like, let's say you're a site inspector. And once a week you go to like a construction site and you make sure that everything is laid where it's supposed to be. With a Spot Mini, that thing could just patrol the site every day. And once the area is mapped, it can actually detect changes. So it can just tell you at a glance, this is what's changed, and then you can look at the 360, like the stitched footage that it gives you, and then just kind of do a visual inspection remotely. So you can do a less good inspection more often.

Hmm. Hmm. Okay. That's an interesting use case. I'd heard of lasers being used for that. I think there are London metros that use lasers to do that kind of thing for surveying. But I guess you can't really do that for everything. Well, I guess that would require... A human has to set that up every time then, right? Well, they're permanently installed, I think.

Oh, okay. But at the same time, that is a permanent installation. And it's a contained static environment. Yeah. So if you're looking at things that change over time, in an environment that is, like, by definition always changing because it's, like, a build set or something. Yeah. Then, yeah, maybe.

I mean, the fact that it can actually navigate as well. Yeah. So, it's, like, kind of autonomous. When you first get it, you have to control it with a remote control and walk it around the area to map the area. to control it with a remote control and walk it around the area to map the area but then i think once it's mapped and its parameters are laid out and it's walked around it and gone up all the stairs and everything after that then it can walk around autonomously and do the all the remapping itself and of course they're famously good at going over uneven terrain and like if the thing gets knocked onto like turtled onto its back, it can still, like, wobble its legs and ride itself.

And if it trips on stuff, so that's pretty B.A. Well, apparently Cirque du Soleil is looking at it. It might incorporate them in some of their shows. Why? Like, have you been to Cirque du Soleil? Actually, no. They usually have,

like, comedians, like, clowns walking around amongst the audience. I could see them doing something like that with it. Obviously, it's not going to be doing backflips. Stereo cameras. I think it has five cameras to begin with that all of them get because there's different models. They say that it costs about as much as a car,

but cars have a huge range, and so do these. So it depends on the options you get. I wouldn't specifically say that the operating environment information here is especially impressive. IP54? I mean, it's less than a phone from five years ago. Yeah, like it seems like, then again, there's a lot more moving parts. So I guess that is impressive. Payload capacity, 14 kilograms. Eh. Applications.

Okay, here we go. Construction oil and gas for what? Inspect facilities? Public safety. Each one comes with five pairs of stereo cameras positioned around the machine. Okay. Its front cameras scan the ground ahead for obstacles and decide whether to climb over them or to dodge them altogether.

So as I understand it, if something is 30 centimeters or a foot or less, then it'll mount it and go over that way. But if it's larger than that, then it just walks around. And there's a pretty kick-ass looking controller. It almost looks like a Sega Game Gear or something like that. It's got a big screen on it, and you can look through the screen. It shows a feed from the robot's forward-facing cameras, and you can send the machine to different waypoints.

I guess it's kind of like looking at Google Street View. I guess that would be here in the video here. Let's see if that shows up here. It's two minutes long. Yeah, the video is mostly just this thing walking through various sets. It looks like a pretty involved video, honestly. It looks expensive.

That's clearly CG, though. Three miles an hour. 90 minute run time. That's pretty good. Because I Three miles an hour. 90-minute runtime. That's pretty good. Because I thought that there are other robots, like Atlas, only were ripping around wirelessly for, like, 15 minutes. Hmm. And you can swap the batteries out.

God, I can only imagine how much they charge for one of those batteries. Oh. Yeah. batteries oh yeah uh you can add additional sensors on its back like lidar laser scanner for mapping environment in high detail and then that's obviously an add-on that weird dinosaur neck thing yeah but can they i don't think they can interact like that, though. I don't know. Like, can one hold the door for another? They've done it in their presentations, like in their YouTube videos, but that can be just pre-rendered, as it were, you know?

They could have just pre-programmed that activity. I don't know if they were, like, aware of each other to the extent that they could solve problems like that. I imagine they are not, but come to think of it, it wouldn't be that difficult, would it? Well, but most clients would probably just want one. So if you have a limited ability to invest your time on building out certain features,

you're probably going to focus on the features, on making one of them better. And the team-based stuff, I would think, would come in V2. Hmm. Oh, man. You see, you buy these things to make your business more productive, but then everybody wants to look at it. Yeah, and then they become a pet.

Like, look at this. Look at this. Isn't that adorable? It's cute. Wait, can we show that without being, like, just demonetized right away? I don't know if you can, like, just watch videos on your stream. I know lots of other channels don't do that. Well, I mean...

The damage is done. I don't know. It's an advertisement, guys. It's a thing we're looking at. We were looking at the website first. We can... It doesn't matter. Let us help you show your ad to more eyeballs.

Don't content ID us. Sony launches online PlayStation storefront for hardware and accessories. Oh. Yeah. You can buy hardware, Sony PlayStation hardware, directly from Sony now on their same store. It honestly feels a little bit strange that that hasn't been possible. Yeah. So now you would think that they would have done that like as soon as they had the Internet.

Yeah. Well, I mean, you think Sony would have done a lot of things, but they actually were kind of behind Microsoft on many issues relating to online. issues relating to online if you remember correctly if i remember correctly um it was playstation network was like really kind of jank at first and they also released streaming like streaming media later than microsoft did and i think microsoft actually had an exclusive with netflix for a little while so sorry it was really on the back foot for a lot of the PS3 generation. So just to back up, PlayStation fans and gift givers can now visit a single destination

to buy PlayStation games and hardware directly from PlayStation. Integrated with the PlayStation.com website, you can now navigate from hardware and game product information pages directly to purchasing a PS4, ps4 pro a psvr system and bundles as well as headsets dualshock for wireless controllers psvr accessories a selection of physical games you can actually buy discs from these guys and voucher codes for ps plus

subscriptions and the prices on the site are going to be the same kind of thing you're going to find at the retailers it's not going to be more expensive. But the new online store, for now, is open exclusively in the U.S. Oh, well, that's why I can't see it then. They have a couple bundles here. You tell me, do you think this is a good deal? A PlayStation 4 plus a 12-month subscription of PS Plus for $400 US, which is $20 savings compared to normal.

How much is a year of PS Plus? Is it $60 US or $50 US? I don't know. But, I mean, it's $20 off. Like, do you feel like that's the best they could do for this Epic Store launch? Yeah, you would think that they would be, like, throwing in your PlayStation Now or PlayStation... Not PS Now. PS Now is a different thing.

But the PlayStation Plus account. But I guess, I mean, they are giving away games every month, so... They also have a PlayStation 4 Pro and a 12-month subscription of PS Plus for $430, which is $30 off. For the extra $30, I'd go with the ps4 pro but like i don't know it's actually only it's kind of well i guess it's an extra 30 bucks but it's kind of only an extra 20 bucks in a way too because you save more that's that is just gambler logic

i have a problem i mean either, $30 or $20, you're going out and you order a pizza or whatever. You cannot order a pizza and get a PS4 Pro instead of a PS4. I don't... I think I'm going to have the PS4 for dinner. PlayStation Plus members are eligible for free one-day express shipping. Do you think a lot of people will end up buying from this?

One-day express? Honestly, I can't see many people doing it. Amazon is already so entrenched, I guess, in terms of online sales. I don't think that Sony is going to have the network for just the logistics of the shipping. Well, they might probably outsource that to somebody else. Well, yeah, but

unlike Amazon, Sony has to keep all of this stuff in a warehouse somewhere. Amazon has a distribution network. They could be keeping them in Amazon warehouses for all we know. They might be drop shipping them from Amazon. So, it's really about the portal. Like, do you think there's gonna be

the ability to access this? Oh, God. Oh, what do we do? Just wait 10 seconds. Yay. The lost minute of WAN show. Well, is there going to be a link in the store or from the PlayStation, from your PlayStation HUD, like dashboard, on your console? If it connects directly to the store and it's displayed in a really user-friendly way,

they could get a lot of direct sales that way. I guess. Like, oh, hey, I'm looking at downloading this game and it's got VR support. Oh, hey, here's the link to the PSVR. Oh, hey, I can just buy that and have it tomorrow. Like, that sounds pretty neat. But is your anti- getting you a Christmas present

going to use PlayStation.com or your partner getting you a gift? No. Although it's maybe gift cards. It could be a good place to get gift cards. Yeah, it would be like, hey, auntie, instead of going to Best Buy or Walmart, can you get me a PlayStation Store

credit card? I want the credit on the PlayStation Store. I don't want to go to Best Buy. Maybe they'll have a... You know when you're at the drugstore and there's a wall of gift cards? Yeah. Maybe they'll just have their own right there. Well, they have PlayStation Store cards like that. That you can load...

I'm pretty sure you can load value on. Well, if it's the same store, then you'll just be able to use that towards hardware. It's just they need larger denominations because you're buying hardware. $400 ticket.

So like maybe you get like a $500 PlayStation store card and you can just like buy a PlayStation. Which seems to be a little bit roundabout, but I mean, at least

then you get to choose your PlayStation, I guess. Yeah, I guess so. It's a little bit weird. Well, that's it for that one. Last topic. Alibaba unveils its first AI chip.

So the back story to this is in the world of cloud computing where Amazon has the most market share followed by, I believe, Azure, and then, like, who's after that? Maybe Google Firebase, I think. Alibaba actually has, like, 5% market share, I think. Weird. No, wait, wait. They're in the top five, and I think they're the biggest in China.

Bigger than Huawei? It's all in the notes here. Let's see. Alibaba unveiled its first chip to power artificial intelligence processes on Tuesday. The move could boost its already fast-growing cloud computing business and signals China's growing ambitions in developing its own homegrown semiconductor industry. The chip, called Hanguang 800 can cut down computing tasks that would have usually taken an hour down to just five

minutes. The e-commerce giant claims... Which tasks? Alibaba said the chip is currently being used internally within the company's business operations, especially in product search and automatic translation on e-commerce sites, personalized recommendations, advertising, and intelligent customer services. They're not going to be selling this as a standalone product. Instead, the company is planning to use the chip in its cloud computing products and then offer those services. I'm trying to find the... I know I have the... I thought I had the market share things.

What I do have is that Beijing highlighted semiconductors as a key area of the Made in China 2025 plan that they rolled out recently, or in the last couple of years. It's a government initiative that aims to boost the production of higher-value products instead of, you know, just making plastic toys there. They want to make chips. They want to eat Intel's lunch, you know, just making plastic toys there, they want to make chips. They want to eat Intel's lunch.

Delicious. China aims to produce 40% of the semiconductors that it uses by 2020 and 70% by 2025. That's scary. That's a lot. 70%. So are they planning on just using that deal with AMD for their desktop market share then? How many chips are fabricated in China now versus how many chips would have to be fabricated in China? Well, I don't know if they just mean fabricated, but they think they mean designed. Designed in China.

Because I've spoken to people who are teachers in China, and their students write essays for them. And the common theme of these students' essays is that a lot of things are made in China, but very few things are designed in China. And this next generation of kids wants to kind of change that instead of just following instructions from all the other companies or other countries. So I would assume that they mean, like, actually made from, like, start to finish in China. But when they say 70% or 40% of the semiconductors it uses, when they say it, do they mean every person in the country, like my desktop gaming PC at home, or do they mean it referring to, like, the government of China? I have to assume that it means the government, but that being said, from what I understand,

I don't really... No, that's not how it works in China. The government isn't everything. It's just state capitalism is what it is. So, yeah, that seems like everything that the government uses is probably going to be what they're talking about here. But with that being said, in order for that to be economical, they would need to then be able to sell that to customers in China. Because, like, if you think about it, like, how are they going to get software how are they going to get like support for that kind of thing they need to have a full ecosystem that they're going to build if they're going to build semiconductors like ai chips cpus gpus all that kind of stuff

there are gpus that are legitimately being designed and built in China and CPUs as well. So, like, this is already happening. But in order for that to take off and actually be useful for the Chinese government, they would have to actually also create an ecosystem that the Chinese consumer would also want. would also want? Well, unless they just focus on business, because as you said, there are many, I guess they're like privately owned businesses, but they have a lot of state influence. They're kind of appendages of the state in some ways. And so therefore, the state can kind of stipulate onto those companies that they use or do certain things.

So maybe they stipulate that all these companies must use China-made semiconductors. And that kind of gives you – you become your own best customer, and it gives you a lot of volume, and then you have to build out these ecosystem just to serve yourself, whether or not it even goes to the consumer. It seems like a bit of an uphill battle in that sense though but if the end goal is to create something that is all-encompassing then that makes more sense to me um just creating something for yourself for the sake of it being something you built i can't see that being really the thing that the chinese government like that the hell they die on, you know? Like, it seems like there's something else behind that.

Do you think their technology is far behind? No. Or even ahead? I'm not sure if I would say ahead, but just as a result of not only corporate espionage, that's a thing even in the West. Like, I'm not trying to crap on China here, but as a result of that, you know, the great leap forward, and just as a result of China's modernization

in terms of its consumer sector and its electronics sector, I think that it will at least reach parity relatively soon. Like probably in the next, I don't know. By 2025? I don't know about 2025. I hesitate to put a time frame on it, though, because they already have really powerful supercomputers. Yeah, they had the world's most powerful for a time there. I think they've invested now.

Plus they have more engineers, more engineering graduates. They have a lot of new young talent coming up. More flexible slash non-existent patent law. Yeah. That does help, actually. Yeah. That's kind of how America got where it is is because patents

originally were much looser than they are now well they're only they can't differentiate based on IP in that way so they can only beat people by innovating faster

faster, cheaper, better yeah should we do some super chats? yeah probably it's been an entire stream. I think you just... Yeah, scroll down.

Give me a good one here. I think that guy just said, shoot me now, please. No, shout me out, please. Oh, shout me out, please. Okay, hi. TommyGum1928, no Luke, no Linus,

still I expect a great WAN show. I hope we did that for you, Tommy. Hopefully. Probably not, though. Harsh. Folding mouth shout out. Oh, folding month. Sweet. Oh, folding month. That's saying quickly. It's the time of folding. If you guys don't know what that is,

you just download this client on your computer. It's very easy to do. And basically, you can just kind of offer the computing capacity of your machine to the greater good, which is it's a distributed computing network of people trying to fold proteins. And so basically what defines a protein and what it can do is its physical structure. And that structure is usually like a linear kind of like foldy thing. do is its physical structure and that structure is usually like a linear kind of like foldy thing and so you use your computer to look at new structures and discover them and fight diseases like alzheimer's and cancer and stuff yeah like especially anything to do with prions have you

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Show us, Anthony. Woo-hoo. Linus Tech Tips team. Active CPUs within 50 days, 4,865. I'm impressed. That's a lot of CPUs. Team ranking 10 of 228,803. We're in 10th?

Yeah, we're only in 10th. Yeah, but that's pretty good. That's pretty good. We can do better than that, though. Let's see. Oh, hey, there's Ben Quigley. He's the guy who actually shouted this out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice.

Nice. Top 10. I think we actually have prizes we're giving out. I think they talked about this on the last WAN show, but the community has gotten some prizes together, and we ourselves have offered up some prizes for, I guess, the main contributors to this. So everybody, go fold. Folding at home client is what you download, and it's very easy to turn off and on.

Yeah. is what you download, and it's very easy to turn off and on. Yeah, think of it like Bitcoin mining except less terrible and also, well, for a really good cause. It's medical science. Super less terrible. Oh, yeah. What else we got? What else we got here?

When will the Oculus Quest review be up? It has been repeatedly referenced on the channel, but it's only on Flowplane. That's Val Jenkins. Actually, I think Monday. It's this week. The video did get delayed, but actually it turned out to have a silver lining in the delay because

since we filmed it, the Connect6 conference happened and they announced at least three things that are pertinent to Oculus Quest and our video. So now we've been able to incorporate those new developments into the video, and I believe it's going to come out next week. Nice. Yeah, it is scheduled for Monday, but that may change.

So do not take that as verbatim, but expect it soon. Let's see. Let's do one more. One more? Okay, let's make it a good one. Oculus Quest is actually wicked. I brought it home, and I was very surprised. I wanted to show all my friends, but it was my wife who got the most into it, and she is not a

gamer at all. Alright, lay it on me. Okay, TechRevent says, if you have the smart home and everything else you can buy into the system now and be Wait.

Would you rather? Like a hypothetical? I don't even know what this is actually. I thought this was something different. If you have the smart home and everything else you can buy into the system now and be possible be better of with later gen.

Oh. how? Like, is this a question? No, I don't know. Moving on. Yeah. Sorry, Tech. First time listening to a man show on headphones, alarm headers, my drums, eardrums, lesson learned.

That was Stephen Willis. Showing headphones, alarm headers, my drums, eardrums, lesson learned. That was Stephen Willis. If the moon was made out of cheese, would you eat? The Klipsky. I would eat. Yeah, why not? Yeah. Would you think that it would be a hard cheese or a creamy cheese?

It would probably be creamier at the center it seems like a hard cheese it'd be mostly hard cheese but the the the divots on the moon the craters kind of look like those dimples like swiss maybe a little bit yeah so that's kind of softer it's kind of got that that kind of white gray not really that's like more well more... It is gray, but it looks more Swiss cheesy. It'd be so weird to walk on something edible. Like, imagine it actually... Have you never stepped on food before? Not, like...

Not even accidentally? Not to the extent that I could, like, do a bum drop on food. Like, if you were on the actual moon and it actually was made out of cheese... You know when you, like, go down and eat snow? Like, you go to an area of snow that's fresh snow that's untouched. I try not to do that, but yeah. Like, you've never been, like, thirsty?

Like, you go skiing or something and you're super thirsty, and then you go to an area that, like, no one's there, and you just, like, eat a little bit of snow? I guess it would be, like, the same etiquette with the cheese moon. Probably. It would also probably either be really hot or really cold, so. Oh, true. Can you imagine if it was super delicious and you were starving,

but you're in a spacesuit so you actually can't access it? Yeah, it's like water, water everywhere, not a drop to drink kind of style. Anyway, this is getting weird. Let's sign off. Come back next week, same bat time, same bat channel, VertiGear. VertiGear. Wow. And make sure you buy your elemental shirts before they sell out in the next two hours yeah they're gonna be gone for 50 bucks

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