The WAN Show - I've never been so angry... - WAN Show September 2, 2022

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

Try FreshBooks free, for 30 days, no credit card required at https://www.freshbooks.com/wan Chapters: (Courtesy of NoKi1119 NOTE - Timestamps may be off due to change in sponsors) 0:00 Chapters 1:03 Intro 1:30 Gang is hungry, fast topics & MM's tonight 2:10 Topic #1 - USB 4 Version 20 Type-C standard 3:09 Specifications, discussing the naming 6:22 Confusing USB standards history 9:13 Responses to the Techlinked tweet, name confusion 17:07 Topic #2 - Japan "declares war" on retro tech 18:12 LTT's Windows 98 build, justifying costs 23:14 Minidisc's popularity, Linus on using fax 25:40 Discussing physical medias & animorphs 30:24 FP Poll -  physical V.S. digital books 32:40 Discussing pirating, physical audio & Spotify 38:12 Sponsors 41:08 LTT sponsoring YouTubers, screwdriver colors 43:20 Luke guesses YouTubers, Linus gives hints 49:49 Poll - Guess who is sponsored! 50:29 Topic #2 - AMD's Ryzen 7000 series 52:52 AMD claims Ryzen is faster than Alder Lake 54:32 Discussing sweetspot 55:24 Luke played Star Citizen, talks about bugs 56:24 Motherboard release dates, "Why choose Intel?" 58:31 Intel's 12th & 13th Gen V.S. AMD's AM4 & AM5 59:15 Poll result: Guess who is sponsored! 1:00:22 Luke on a potential collab with Glarses 1:02:02 PCIe Gen 5, SSD speeds 1:04:11 Topic #3 - Intel's ARC "is better" 1:04:58 Intel Graphics channel's video on RTT 1:06:22 Game emulation, Why consider ARC? 1:12:48 FP Poll result: pricing range for ARC 1:14:38 Driver is home, food is arriving later 1:15:56 Topic #4 - dbrand's Project Killswitch 1:17:12 Details, reserves, removed screen protector 1:18:14 Splitting accusations, dbrand's response 1:19:28 dbrand did not state much in the kit list 1:22:33 Linus on the funniest response from dbrand 1:25:26 Merch Messages #1 ft. hungry gang 1:27:28 Longest road trip, Linus struggles to shake 1:29:41 LTT-themed framework accessories 1:35:02 Games on Linus's, Luke's & Bell's phones 1:38:44 LTTStore ideas they liked, Colebar "idea" 1:47:05 Content creator Linus would work with 1:49:56 RAM slots on GPUs 1:52:11 Most memorable food 1:56:33 Country they want to visit but no chance to 1:58:13 A smaller LTTStore water bottle 1:58:52 Closed bio-system, NFC implant 1:59:30 Transitioning from small to medium business 2:01:38 Confidence in merch deployment 2:02:48 Holo lens for VR adoption 2:04:52 Linus on giving LMG employees a raise 2:07:02 GDP Win 3 2:09:23 Thoughts on AI winning an art contest 2:13:28 Favorite part of running a YT/Media company 2:14:16 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

what is up y'all welcome to the wan show we've got a fantastic show lined up for you this week our main topics of discussion are going to be what is usb 4 2.0 i don't even want to know that is not how versioning that's illegal version numbering works and also ltt has actually completed okay it is it is shot now we have completed our first major like big sponsorship of like an s-tier youtuber yeah yeah we do we do sponsorships for other youtubers now so i'm going to be talking about that. What else we got today? That's wacky. What isn't wacky is Ryzen 7000 and Intel trying to say that, you know, Arc is better than NVIDIA at ray tracing.

They have never claimed anything in the past that ended up being skewed. So I'm sure this is purely accurate. Alright, I think the first thing we're going to have to dig into this week is, oh, the slightly different format for the show. I'm really hungry and Belle's hungry and Luke was indifferent. So we ordered food. So we're going to get through our tech topics a little bit faster and we're going to save our merch messages for a little bit later in the show. save our merch messages for a little bit later in the show so if you guys haven't picked up a screwdriver or backpack or an rgb hoodie or short circuit hoodie like the one i'm wearing or anything else that's on the store and you wanted to order one now and send in a merch message bell's going to be curating everything throughout the show but we're going to get to them later we're going to

push them a little bit further out which means we are going to jump right into USB 4 2.0. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, the USB, what is it? USB forum, USB promoter group. They are on a mission. They are on a mission to make me angry because there is no other possible reason that I can imagine for this naming scheme to exist. This is not how versioning works. I like to think that someone there knows that and is driving for change. But this one time was like, actually, we need this sequence of numbers. And they made it happen. What?

They wanted 420. What do you even oh my god well then they could have just made it version 4.20 and even that would have been stupid because it appears to be a pretty significant upgrade oh yeah from 40 gigabit per second to 80 gigabit per second. To be clear, I am not upset about the technology. It sounds actually really solid. You do need an active cable for that 80 gigabit per second.

It's max on passive is 40 gigabit, but that's still pretty crazy. It's only USB Type-C, which was going to happen. Matter of time. Matter of time. Yeah, matter of time.

I'm so angry. It includes new features, such as a bandwidth boost beyond 20 gigabit per second for USB 3.2 data tunneling when using alt mode, such as DisplayPort mode, and has been updated to feature the latest versions of the DisplayPort standard and PCIe spec, which remember is important because USB 4 is now essentially Thunderbolt, which was able to carry PCIe connections. That's how you can hook up an external GPU and stuff like that. It is backwards compatible with previous revisions, including the original USB 4 standard, which has barely even made it to life at this point.

USB 3.2, USB 2.0, and Thunderbolt 3. And our discussion question is, faster is always better. But why do they keep using these confusing naming schemes? I might have an answer for that. I'm going to have to try to dig it up. Capes in Floatplane Chat says

that the USB spec naming is meant for developers and not consumers, and that we should refer to Benson Leung's, hopefully I said that right, response in the USB-C hardware. USB-C hardware subreddit. I legitimately almost said chardware. Names?

Sorry, what? Hold on a second. Hold on a second. All right, Benson. I don't like that, personally that I don't see why developers need a worse naming scheme um I would like to try to find this thread can can someone post I think I think I've probably got it USB promoter group announces USB forward this is great that's it it has 163 comments and 48 upvotes. That's usually a good sign.

The top upvote... Oh, this is great. No, I don't want to log in. I don't care. I found the post. USB does have branding professionals. Hint, this announcement is about a spec version bump, which is a technical document, not a branding document.

Here's what my guess is on the branding will be for gear with the new speed USB 4 80 gigabit per second. why USB 4 2.0? Why not USB 5? Why not USB 4.1? Why not literally anything else? Like there is, there is no continuity whatsoever. We had USB 1, then we got 1.1. If I recall, there was a 1.1a. 1.1. If I recall, there was a 1.1 a hold on all the versions of USB. Here we go. Okay, 1.1. Okay, 1.0 apparently was like never really a thing. This is from triplet though. So I have no idea how accurate this is. You Oh my god, just show me the table. Okay, so we got here we go. Here we go. Triplet provides this, this chart 1.1. This was full speed USB introduced in 1998. All right. You had your USB A, you had your USB B. That was for your scanner. All right. We had scanners back then. Okay. That was a peripheral. We had our printers,

we had our scanners. Combine them, black magic. Not till later. Okay. Then we had usb2 high speed who would think what would you think is faster high speed or full speed help me out here luke full speed yeah i would think so too maximum unfortunately full speed is like 140th the speed of high speed yeah okay whatever darn came a mere two years later so yeah it went a lot faster and that merited uh you know a spec bump okay then we went from 480 megabit per second okay so we 6x the excuse me 10x the speed again to 5 gigabit and that was in 2008 whopping eight years later this was usb 3.0 which i think has since been renamed to 3.1 gen 1 super speed okay then things get really messy usb 3.1 doubled the speed over usb 3.0 and was originally called USB 3.1. Then it was changed to USB 3.1

Gen 2 Super Speed Plus. Holy f***ing s***. Okay, then we got USB 3.2 Super Speed, which I think is, yes, now called USB 3.2 Gen 2x2. Oh no 2 by 2 oh no right no no no these were former names right gen 1 now it's usb 3.2 gen 1 okay 3.2 gen 2 by 2 and that's 20 gigabit per second i really enjoyed that one i remember that launch oh my god then we got usb 4 which was also known as USB4 Gen 2 by 2 or USB4 20 gigabit. Wait, what? 20 gigabit? I thought, oh, oh my God. Okay. So USB4, this is where things get really complicated because USB4 has optional components to the spec. You don't have to, you can be USB4 without being 40 gigabit per second. So here we've got USB4 20 gigabit. Okay. So that came in 2019, does up to 20 gigabit per second so here we've got usb 4 20 gigabit okay so that came in 2019 does up to 20 gigabit then we got usb 4 which is gen 3 by 2 which does 40 gigabit and might also do like

pcie and stuff uh assuming you have a compliant cable all of this was preventable there's some uh there's some posts actually in response to tech linked uh so laughing man or benson leung the the person that we're finding comments from and stuff responded to a tech linked twitter post a tweet some would say um and there are more comments from him on the reddit thread um there's there's a few different comments on reddit they're all saying roughly the same thing um where's the other one the main thing is what i kind of already said though on twitter um someone responded to tech linked by saying ben m Ben Mitchell responded to TechLinked by saying,

oh my God, can they just stick to the naming scheme, please? And stop renaming old standards. Benson Leung, also known as Laughing Man said, no, because people, and then in brackets, developers, spec writers, and others work on these spec documents. These are living standards and having a sensible version numbering scheme is required someone responded to that uh by saying this is not a sensible version numbering scheme which got 23 likes he responded um luke with the play-by-play here all right the likes are the likes are interesting the tech link post got a bunch of likes the first response gets 68

benson responds gets three someone go up by the way can one person go like that 68 one thanks nice yeah perfect um Bryce responds gets 23 Benson responds again gets two so okay that that isn't that doesn't mean he's right or anything it's just or wrong people aren't happy about it um he says uh it is, in reference to not a sensible version numbering scheme. He says the USB developers announced the version 1.0 release of the USB 4 spec

in 2019. Sorry, I missed that part. Three years have passed and a new version is about to be released based on the same USB 4 technologies. It makes sense to go from version 1.0 to 2.0. But if it's the same USB 4 technologies, then why the actual living f*** is it not just USB 4.1?

Yep. Yep. You know, like how you did it before. Yep. Remember that USB promoter group? Remember when you did that? Remember when USB 3.0 became USB 3.1 because it was based on the same underlying technology

but made it go more faster and had some new features? Do you remember that? I also don't even mind multiple decimal points have you seen that in some versioning yeah they'll do like major minor micro or whatever i'd rather have a letter at that point personally displayport style um the pro okay displayport has made some mistakes though if i recall correctly oh no no hdmi has done it hdmi one point something b was like a huge upgrade from because really okay if it's going to end up facing the consumer you can't just wash your hands of it and go well this is intended for developers it's not my fault that consumers are confused he's saying

no he's saying it won't. What? Of course it will. It always does. I agree. So I'm just making sure that I say his arguments. He's saying that it won't and shouldn't. Because there will be

official branding and that official branding is USB 4.0 80 gigabit per second. Or 80 gigabit. The problem is that that's not what's going to end up being presented for sure yep and like meanwhile you've got the hdmi group actively making it harder to tell what is implemented on a product you've got the usb group adding ambiguity layers on top of

ambiguity layers okay with optional parts of the specification and no clear actual, like, line in the sand for what qualifies as USB number point number. So someone just said what I was trying to say better. It's called semantic versioning, and it goes major, minor, patch. I actually, I've never minded that personally sure because you could have like okay so let's use windows who have not done a good job of this but let's use windows let's say we're on windows 15 so you have windows 15 that's your first number 15 sure dot and then you have major version releases well why don't we just use a Windows that used this? Windows 3.1. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So major update is the.1. And then any little tiny fixes, whatever, they can get slammed under at the very bottom decimal point. No one really cares, but they're there. Because they matter. Right. But like the average users aren't going to care. And that's completely fine.

That works for... I've never really seen anyone complain about that naming scheme i i'm not saying it's the best i'm not saying it's the most marketable whatever but it works it's very what's marketable is what can be understood from my point of view it should describe at least like okay you can criticize intel all day for their opaque processor numbering schemes, especially once you make your way out of the mainline enthusiast skews into some of the weird low power stuff or some of the embedded stuff that they do. But at least every digit has some kind of meaning to it.

If you had a legend, you could interpret it right whereas usb just has no clear it just has no like we're going from three to four didn't have a speed increase okay it didn't even have an interface change they They're both USB-C. So what was the difference? I mean, I know the difference. There were a lot of technological innovations between USB 3 and USB 4. But then why did you allow this half-ass implementation that wasn't 40 gigabit per second for USB 4?

Like, I just... I'm struggling here. I'm struggling. As long as it's consistent, i can kind of get behind it but any other time it really does feel like you are the worst you are confusing consumers for a reason like you know when um oh man like you'll see you'll see like a gpu maker go from three digit numbers to four digit numbers when and and you particularly see these things happen when they don't have anything particularly innovative to show yeah there is there is some people i i have i i want to make sure i'm defending uh benson leung right now because there are some people saying like oh they like they promised or they said that it would be USB 4 80 gigabit per second they're still saying that and he's

still saying that that's going to be the the marketing or branding version this weird one that I already forgot USB 4 version 2.0 is a theoretically a developer only branding thing the problem with this is it's not only has it already hit a lot of consumers yeah but it's going to hit many more and will very likely be a part of the branding of certain products um so because companies are going to start designing, developing, planning these products like now. And they're just not going to get updated. We've seen it happen a ton of times. Yeah, I'm really frustrated. Let's move on, though.

That's just enough being angry. Do you want to talk about Japan declaring war on floppy disks? This is actually pretty interesting. Japan declares war on floppy disks? This is actually pretty interesting. Japan declares war on floppy disks. Japan's digital minister, Taro Kono, has declared war on floppy disks and other retro tech used by the country's bureaucrats. Japan still has roughly 1,900 government procedures that require the use of disks, including floppy disks, CDs, and mini disks. Mini disks! What? I was very surprised to see mini discs on here.

I know, right? Kind of awesome. The U.S. government had been using floppy discs as recently as 2019 to receive nuclear launch orders from the president. That is awesome! To be clear, I'm not suggesting, you you know that it's on the internet like i'm just saying we could do something a little more robust than floppy diskettes that's okay i just want to make that very clear yeah more than 20 000 typical disks would be needed to replicate an average

memory stick storing 32 gigabytes of information this This is pretty epic. You guys did a video fairly recently. Yeah. Building like a Windows 98 machine. We bought it. Oh, you bought one of those? Yeah, there's a vendor online that sells Windows 98 computers for like a grand. Yeah. Yeah.

And they have like new manufactured hardware and stuff. No. Oh, I thought they did. No, they just, well, they might have some, but a lot of it is refurbished. That makes sense. Yeah, because there's a lot of it out there and it costs nothing.

But what costs is spending the time to validate it and make sure that it's all working and ready for deployment. Because there, as Anthony explained in the video, there are many industries that still rely on extremely old software. Tons of manufacturing and stuff where like it does as much as this might annoy some people in like software development and stuff,

what they have does enough in a lot of these situations. 300 megahertz, a lot of that's millions of cycles a second. Like it's actually fine. In a lot of very specific situations you know running a conveyor belt yeah like who cares yeah it's fine yep and the cost of updating that hardware that it's running is monumental it could be could potentially be catastrophic depending on the size of the business like so compared so compared to, you know,

updating this giant, this giant kind of machine or whatever it is, you know, just going out and buying another Windows 98 computer, even if you are being charged an obscene amount of money for it. Sure.

Makes business sense. It's an obscene amount of money for what you're getting, but it's still a grand, which to individuals is going to seem like a lot. To a company that's churning out millions of dollars worth of product every day, and they need that freaking machine running, isn't going to be a huge expense. It is amazing how different the calculations for the worthwhileness of a purchase are for a business compared to a consumer. See, I was even talking about, okay, what if you're a smaller business and you just can't afford to update

the machinery? That's one way of thinking about it. But then Luke's like, well, what if they're churning out millions of dollars worth of equipment? Well, then they're clearly not starving for money. But let's talk about opportunity cost. What if they had to turn off that machinery for some period of time in order to perform this maintenance to upgrade it so that it can run windows vista or so it can run windows 10 or whatever the case may be what is it costing them to have that not running so it could be literally it could be hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to turn it off and upgrade it versus what? I just spend a grand and I can go get a new Windows 98 computer?

It's wild, right? And so as much as it feels counterintuitive for, you know, as an 80s, 90s kid, right? I feel like Japan is like the land of technology. Yeah, yeah. That's the kind of the brand that Japan has to me, right? The first time that i ever saw a usb thumb drive it was it was a friend bringing it back i believe from a trip

to japan yeah or the first time i saw a minidisc oh it's it's sony you know sony was like the premium the premium right samsung and lg were still like lucky gold star, like cheap crap, right? Nobody respected those brands back then. Like Japan, the land of video games and technology. And like, so for me to read that the Japanese government is still using flop, I mean, CDs. Oh, okay. Fair enough, I guess. But Minidisc? Minidisc was never even you like i i wasn't even aware of it

as as a as a medium for anything other than you know listening to mp3s off napster right like i don't know i that was the only thing i ever knew it to exist for and it was also very common back then for certain certain i mean it still is common but not on the same scale i would argue because the internet has connected people very closely but it was very common back then for certain technologies to actually take off in certain areas so maybe minidisc was just used for other stuff in japan i mean it was it was sick it was cool right compared to the other things we had at the time you got to understand usb thumb drives not a thing yet okay

and even though and even when they were a thing they weren't necessarily convenient like uh if you went to a library or something like that it's not like it would support you plugging in your usb drive and i'm talking like the library at school like you would have to you would have to carry sometimes a floppy diskette with usb on it. And then the USB drive that had your like your PowerPoint presentation or you know, something, some kind of multimedia thing that wouldn't fit on a floppy disk. Even once I had a USB drive, I would often still use floppy disks. Not in small part, because my first USB thumb drive was either eight megabytes or 16 megabytes. Like it actually didn't have that much more capacity people thought it was

weird too um jacks and floatplane chat said mini disc was much more popular in japan i mean yeah i guess i guess i get it because the capacity compared to the things we had at the time was massive apparently you can copy rented music in japan and that was a big push for mini discs oh interesting okay I mean Japan has all kinds of stuff that I just like never even saw or never heard of before like the kinds of stuff you can get in vending machines over there and stuff unfortunately the one time we went to Japan We didn't really get a chance to stay Very short period of time And it was awesome for that really short period of time

But it was awesome Yeah Anyway So that's hilarious I guess it's finally time for floppy disks To Head out right out into the sunset I shouldn't be that surprised.

I mean, I remember feeling this exact same emotion. Like, you ever get that, where it's like a deja vu kind of feeling? But you don't actually feel like this thing happened before, but you feel like you've experienced this feeling before. The day I found out that one of our major competitors at ncix still submitted their pos via fax i'm sitting here going what you can't you can't walk into the warehouse and grab a computer you can't send a f***ing email like what do you what do you mean you why would you submit them via fax that one i genuinely you would actually you would actually

send your rep an email to say hey check your fax machine yeah it's like that's like leaving you voicemail to ask if you've checked your text messages like what what are you what are you doing yeah i can't fathom it it's very weird it's very very weird i it does make me a little bit sad and i know this probably just like makes me old but i always really liked the physical nature of things sure like there's there's an anamorphs book oof that might be dating me as well um but there's an anamorphs book where they have these like data cubes sure like even star wars has the whatever they're called the the pyramid things that have knowledge yep for sure holocrons holocron yeah these like physical mediums of information just because i know that doesn't mean star wars

isn't dead to me carry on we're always i always thought they were really cool i thought it was cool that's one of the reasons why i like physical games as well i've always really enjoyed physical media um and it is like better sure that things are becoming more digital and and and whatnot but i do find it more boring so i think it's like kind of cool in a not good way i guess maybe that some of these things still run on this old hardware and run on these old systems and stuff like that i think yeah i think it's kind of neat chat's super into animorphs okay which animorph were you which animorph was i yeah i only remember one of them so i guess i'll just go with that sure i i only remember tobias's name i i read it i probably read like 40 50 of them like i was super into animorphs marco and

tobias tobias is like the one whose mom is the, I never knew how to pronounce it, Yerks? I don't know how to pronounce the aliens. Yeah, the slugs. Yeah, she was control. And wasn't his like brother or is that Tobias's brother? I don't know.

Maybe I didn't make it that far. I know Marco's mom is like Visser one or something like that. And I don't remember any of the other characters and i only know marco because you mentioned it yeah it's been a long time i don't remember hawk yeah i think tobias is the hawk he's stuck as a hawk and i think he gets unstuck later he wanted to be though i think i don't remember i remember something about him having an option to become unstuck and he was like forget it i'm a hawk now yeah something like that yeah that that rings a bell i think i did make it that far people like spoilers spoilers okay okay

these books came out like 20 years ago i think i think we're clean and clear on spoiler warnings yeah yeah can't remember the andalite's name man hold on hold on okay andalite's name no i got nothing because like one joins them later or something and it's like it's like it's like when that tv show adds that like dumb extra character like i don't remember him really serving any purpose other than just be like oh cool we have alien sidekick now i think x that's the one. Nighttime. That was the name. And he was like the son of the one that gave them the powers in the first place or something. I don't know.

Man. Animorphs, man. I bet my daughters would love Animorphs. I don't know if my son would be that into it. I think I still have a bunch of the books. I tend to keep my books, but yeah, I think I still have those. Axemilly. Esgrew. Oh my goodness. What a name. Yeah, I think we'll just call you axe yeah yeah that's probably a good idea 100 all right uh what

were we talking about again uh japan declaring war on floppy disks yeah physical media man books how i like physical media books are a tough one for me because on the one hand i they're very unreasonable in the modern day yeah they don't make any sense yeah but the flip side of it is i've been on vacation this week i've been on vacation this week and i was like man i haven't read a book in forever because it's it's it's tough for me i get sucked in and then i don't i'm not functional right like i i i love to read it's not that i don't love it i just i i can i don't have the discipline for functional, right? Like I, I, I love to read. It's not that I don't love it. I just, I can, I don't have the discipline for it. It's like, it's like Anno for me.

It's like, I could be sitting there for literally eight consecutive hours doing nothing, but like not even stopping to eat, just like reading. Right. And, um, so I was like, oh, I'm, I'm on vacation. I'm a, I'm a read a book. um so i was like oh i'm on vacation i'm gonna read a book and i just i have kindle unlimited but i just did not gravitate toward the kindle at all not even a tiny bit i was like i will go look at my library of dead trees and i don't know why it doesn't make any sense i don't want to fill my house with books they They're stupid.

They're heavy. They take up space. They're hard to find. Obviously, just having one slate where all the words can just appear, it's objectively better. Yep. But it's subjectively not better. Man, the book I settled on, it's called Mr. Nor Norrell and Jonathan Strange it was actually given to me by Tyler before he passed well not given borrowed lent to me but I wouldn't obviously my favorite

books of all time are recommended from him yeah so uh that was why that was why I wanted to read it because it was kind of the last uh the last book recommendation he gave me and I kind of haven't um I haven't been able to yet but i am so i'm anyway i'm about a quarter of the way through and it's like thick it's like this thick right that's really inconvenient to hold like it sucks it's heavy it's stupid but but the experience is good okay we need to do a float plane pull okay physical books versus digital books i'm on it honestly i i think it could be settled for me if digital books were way cheaper but the fact that physical books even with

shipping are often cheaper than a digital copy is just outrageous to me because i don't believe for a second that the author is getting way more royalties yeah i doubt it i do not believe that i like i enjoy audiobooks because we've talked about for a long time i have like issues reading scripts and stuff i'm i'm mildly dyslexic so i read really slowly and i have a hard time reading so i i enjoy audiobooks and i listen to audiobooks for things that i feel like i need to get through like Like, oh, this book is on a topic. I feel like I should have this information for whatever reason. I want to learn something.

I want to grow in some way, whatever. So I'll listen to an audio book to make sure that I get all of that. But I enjoy reading physical books. So especially if it's like some like fantasy novel or something like that, I'll usually read it physically. It takes me forever, but it doesn't matter.'t matter so who cares see even with a tech audience overwhelmingly like

67 two-thirds of flow plan chat there's something about tactile it feels good and that's like like putting in a floppy when's the last time you did it the noises remember the noise it's great yeah i know it is like i just i don't know it's time to play a game yeah like you hear it spinning up you strap the headphones on like you feel it's much more of like a full experience so are you gonna get into vinyl because that's what like everyone in the office you're getting into vinyl i'm the first person in the office that got into vinyl they don't know that but i wasn't invited to the cool kids club what the heck okay that's one that i can't i can't the second i'm not the second the second i learned about the existence of napster like the piles of cds that i owned were okay I shouldn't say the second I learned about Napster because

it took a little while. Like you would have to, the only way that I could listen to any, to MP3s I downloaded was sitting at the computer, like on our computer speakers, because we didn't even have headphones at our computer. That wasn't a thing yet. So I did continue to use CDs and my Discman for a couple more years. I did continue to use CDs and my Discman for a couple more years. But by the time you could burn a CD of MP3s,

I did that a handful of times, but you had to have a compatible CD player. It had to be able to read data discs. And then shortly after that, I got an RCA Lyra, which was a 64 megabyte MP3 player. And that was it. That was the last time I gave two shits about any kind of physical media songs. And then I did pirate music for a long time. And then along came music subscription services.

I now happily pay for... Actually, I think I have two subscription services. I should unsubscribe from Apple Music. But anyway, I happily pay my subscription. I don't pirate any music anymore. Yeah, I have YouTube Music. And YouTube Music's cool because if you buy a song on iTunes, you can just take that file

and you can just upload it to it. Google Play Music had that, actually. I don't know if YouTube Music has it anymore. Does it still do it? Anyway. So all my songs are totally legit now but i just man i cannot even begin to imagine i having like i think they're cool i really enjoy the the look of it um i never had them when i was younger like my dad had some but i don't think we actually like had a record player set up he actually has some really wicked ones but i don't think we had a record player set up um i have some really cool ones like i i have the the vinyls for divinity

original sin 2 gotta have them signed by like the development team who i met in person and like all this kind of stuff so it's like really cool, the actual record isn't signed to the like sleeve is signed to be clear. Um, and I used to use them for like timers basically. Cause that was the thing that annoyed me the most is they're kind of short. Like they, they end really quickly and then you have to go to the thing and flip it or, or change which one you have or whatever to be able to keep listening to stuff. That's my biggest gripe. But in order to solve that, I, yeah yeah i would use it as a timer so i'll be like oh i'll clean this area for this long or i'll work out for this amount of time or i'll do whatever um yeah gremlin injector asks why i prefer those over spotify i subscribed to google play music because

it comes with youtube premium and youtube Premium matters a lot to me. As for why I prefer it, I hate YouTube Music. Oh, it's terrible, but it's- Google Play Music was so much better. They dragged me kicking and screaming away from the Google Play Music app because the integration with Sonos was flawless. It was so much better than Spotify's integration with Sonos,

than anything's integration with Sonos than anything's integration with DTS play. It was as seamless as just pressing cast. I never for the for years, I couldn't figure out why anybody ever even opened the Sonos app, other than just adding their speakers to their system. I didn't even need the Sonos app anymore. I would just open up the Google Play Music app and I'd go zone zone zone volume sliders cast one button to their system. I didn't even need the Sonos app anymore. I would just open up the Google Play Music app and I'd go zone, zone, zone, volume sliders, cast. One button to cast it. It's so stupid the way it works in the Spotify app.

You have to like, you have to like create different like groups in the, this is with DTS Play actually. I haven't, I don't know if I've tried the Sonos one. Anyway, it's not as seamless. I need Google and Sonos to bury the hatchet, which I've given up ever happening, but I need them to bury the hatchet and just bring back the Google Play Music

Sonos casting experience because it was the best. I liked Google Play Music a lot. I hate YouTube. I'm not trying to like bandwagon, but yeah, it's worse. YouTube Music is way worse. But yeah, it's not worth another entire subscription to me

to get Spotify. And there's no way I'm not going to have YouTube Premium because I watch a pretty considerable amount of YouTube and I don't want to watch ads. So yeah, YouTube Premium it is for me. Yeah, also the family plan for uh for google

google play music uh for youtube music which is stupid branding stupid what does music have to do with youtube nothing yeah there are music videos on youtube i get it but oh conrad just said okay youtube music sucks because if you shuffle a playlist it shuffles the exact same way every time it's true i know why who wants that no one wants that i know i i can't i can't imagine a single person is like i'm going to enable this thing that should make things random but if it changes i'm upset there's no way that person exists like well come on i mean nope okay i mean yeah they probably do like but there's no way they're not outnumbered by everyone else who would want it to actually be random that's fair oh it's so annoying i i have that problem literally right now and i i actually like tested it a bunch of times so's like, there's no way that's how it actually works.

So I made a really, really short playlist of, I think it was like four songs or something just to like check. And yeah, it does the same order. Like, come on. Yeah. I just want Google Play Music back. That's all I want. Yeah.

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like to we like to chip into that kind of thing. Brett's been an amazing supporter for us, uh, over the years. Yeah. So we're happy to, happy to give something back. Um, we've also worked with Quinn from snazzy labs, yep. But no offense to Brett or Quinn. Uh, this will be by far the biggest sponsorship that we have ever done. Okay. So I won't give too many details. Not going to give too many details. I will say that we wrote a fairly substantial check.

More than we've ever written for a sponsorship before. I will say that it is for the screwdriver. Logan Paul. It's a... gonna you're gonna make a blonde cap i guess i'm wrong i tried i shot my shot okay okay keep going uh anyway so it's for the screwdriver which as you guys probably know we just launched in four variants all black including a black shaft all black with a silver shaft uh black and orange with a black shaft and black and orange with a silver shaft all four variants are still available um and that is pretty much all i'm gonna say about it other

than that we sponsored this person to build a pc with our screwdriver obviously and i want to let people guess at all um if i told you the theme you'd know who it was okay here i can i can i'll tell you the theme i'll tell you the theme, you'd know who it was. Here, I'll tell you the theme. Actually, here's what we're going to do. Let's play a little game. Okay. Luke is going to guess five YouTubers. Like verbally?

Yeah. After each one that Luke guesses, I will give some kind of hint. Might be helpful, might be not that helpful, but I will respond in some way to help guide Luke's guesses. I will give some kind of hint. Might be helpful, might be not that helpful, but I will respond in some way to help guide Luke's guesses. Then, we're going to put all five of Luke's guesses in a poll so that you guys can say

who you think it is. And this is a tech YouTuber. Is that right? I don't know. You could guess someone and then maybe that would be something that I would tell you as a as a hint okay marquez marquez or mkbhd more specifically he's hiring on more people i should refer to the brand that's actually yeah that's that's a that's a good way of thinking about it okay let me come up with something that I could guide you. This person

doesn't normally build computers. Marques doesn't normally build computers. Okay. That does help, though. Yeah, exactly. Jerry rig everything. Okay. There's been some collaboration there, JerryRigEverything Okay I'll give you

There's been some collaboration there before I'll give you something else This person is male Okay Okay So you're Okay So you're giving me something about that person

That is accurate So I might be able to get a country confirmation so i'm going to say tom scott this was suggested by flow plane chat but i think it's good tom scott yeah okay uh this person has been making videos for over five years okay okay okay darn it i wanted the country good one though i respect it um oh darn um for those guessing mark rober uh no but we are working with mark rober so that's gonna be a fun one that's cool that's cool

interesting it could be i'm kind of like i'm like already out um but there's there's some good suggestions yeah yeah there's lots of different suggestions so i think i'm gonna go with with one of them uh where did it go adam savage adam savage he's been making youtube okay so by based on his face that was wrong uh no no, no I had already read it in the chat I'm just interacting I'm being an active listener What I'm really trying to think of is like What I can say

Yeah, yeah, yeah This person I would say Is pretty physically adept Brings me back to Marquez I would say is pretty physically adept. Brings me back to Marquez. No, it's not Dennis. I would never sponsor Dennis.

I'm too angry with Dennis. I need help. I will be fighting Dennis, when is that happening by the way I don't know I'll be ready no matter what though I want to like shoutcast it I'm not even worried oh guys

I think earlier he let it he let it slip that it was a tech it was someone in tech oh that could be it I think earlier he let it slip that it was someone in tech. Oh, that could be it. That's interesting. Is he, though? I don't know.

I don't watch a lot of... Oh. Come on, Luke. Hacksmith? All right, that's your five. Yeah. So let's go ahead. I put those in the doc. I don't know how the polling system works.

Do you mind throwing that in the poll? Oh, you want those in the poll? Yeah. So we're going to let you guys guess It's really easy Do we want to add any more Because there are some that people Suggested a lot Sure

I saw Unbox Therapy in there a lot of times Yep I saw Electro Blue Mr. Who's the Boss Mr. Who's the Boss Mr. Who's the Boss We'll add a few more for you guys We'll add a few more for you guys that actually do

meet the criteria Obviously Gamers Nexus not going to be it They do build computers Sort of actually Not really, they build test benches Anyway That's a computer going to be it like they do build computers yeah sort of actually do computers not really they build test benches anyway that's a computer yeah sure sure that's a computer um all right yeah sure let's uh let's go with let's go with that no diy perks builds computers all the time come on

guys come on guys that's like DIY Perks' thing. He builds weird computers. Every single time I watch a video by him, I'm like, this has got to be the end. There's no way he thinks of something more crazy than this. And then every single time, he releases another video. And I'm like, how do you do this? He released one on a lens recently that is just amazing.

Yep. Like he made his own. Oh man, just what a wild. Guy's wild. What a wild guy. Okay. So let's go with that list. Here's what I'll say.

The correct answer. Is in the list or not in the list? Can you do that? Should I not? Let's see. Don't like... Let's have some fun with you guys. Don't like, you know...

Oh, here's a good one. Okay. Now that I have this particular list i think i'm comfortable saying actually i'm gonna add this okay there you got all those are we able to do a poll with that many options okay i mean it's currently letting me okay hold on one more okay okay i saw the one suggested too yeah yep okay we've got we've got i think the main ones that people were suggesting yeah and i think i oh wait no no one more let's put this in there oh very cool okay the correct answer is in the list okay i will say i will say that yeah

so guys the poll's going up are you ready to post the poll? Yep. So I want to know who you guys think we sponsored to do a build with the LTT screwdriver. Just wanted to make sure we got the spelling or something right. But we did. It's posting now. Okay, here it comes. The options are in no particular order. Let's go with the order that...

No particular order. JerryR go with the order that... No particular order. JerryRigEverything, Adam Savage, iJustine, SlowMoGuys, SmarterEveryDay, Henry Cavill, MKBHD, Tom Scott, Hacksmith, Unbox Therapy. So... I'm going to let you guys vote for a little bit. Why don't we talk through Ryzen 7000? The big news this week, obviously, in the tech space is Ryzen 7000.

AMD dropped absolute knowledge bomb after knowledge bomb about their upcoming plans. The Ryzen 9 7950X is actually getting a price drop, or rather you could consider it a price correction compared to 5000 series. It's still 16 cores, 32 threads, but can hit a whopping 230 watts when needed and can turbo up to 5.7 gigahertz, 5.7, 80 megs of cache on board and is rated to run with DDR5 5200 memory. However, and is rated to run with DDR5 5200 memory. However, AMD has already come out and said that their new Expo, Extended Profiles for Overclocking, DDR5 memory kits,

will be available, and the sweet spot for Ryzen 7000 is going to be 6000 megatransfers per second. Ooh, there's some discussion questions in here from whoever prepared this topic for us. The 7950X being $100 cheaper than last gen, could that mean that they're reserving the $800 slot for an X3D part? That is possible, although I wouldn't expect it to come anytime soon. The 7700X is $100 more than last gen, but that part came out over a year into the rollout so that kind of makes sense so could be that the 7700x is actually the 5800x replacement

it's eight core 16 threads maximum boost of 5.4 gigahertz i love these boost clocks holy crap are we ever getting close oh yeah i mean amd um ryzen it's not a bad thing um but ryzen generation after generation has been kind of an overclocking dud as far as like overclocking on an air cooler or an ambient water cooler obviously the liquid nitrogen folks are doing what they do with it right but uh for for the mere mortals among us it doesn't really overclock much, which is another way of saying that AMD has really optimized it to run at the maximum attainable speed for consumers out of the box. Yeah. But they are getting like shockingly close to that six gigahertz barrier. That's just like other topics we've had today is boring, but good.

Just like other topics we've had today is boring, but good. AMD claims that the 7950X, their top tier chip, is 11% faster overall in gaming compared to the 12900K. And that even the Ryzen 5 7600X, which is $300, beats the 12900K in gaming while also costing a lot less. How competitive will Ryzen 7000 be with Raptor Lake? Asks our discussion question, especially because Raptor Lake is rumored to be more expensive than Alder Lake 12th Gen. Wow, Canadian retailers listing 13th Gen Intel Core processors with prices 15 to 19% higher than

Alder Lake counterparts. With that said, I know from my experience in retail that sometimes what we would do is we would put in placeholder prices before we actually got formal pricing that was just definitely higher than what it would be. So that way we could have the listings up, we could prepare our pages and everything no almost nobody would actually order at those prices because and the product's not even out yet it's not shipping or anything but what it would mean is that you could get everything prepared and you definitely wouldn't lose money if people ordered it early so it could be it could mean that the competition between Raptor Lake and Ryzen

7000 is going to be a little tighter than the initial rumors might have indicated I'm excited oh no we forgot to type in Mr. Who's the boss well I guess we've ruled out Mr. Who's the boss sorry what do you think the sweet spot is Yeah, that's my bad. Well, I guess we've ruled out. It's true as a boss. Sorry.

What do you think the sweet spot is? What do you think the mover is going to be? Oh, I think it's absolutely going to be a 7700X. Yeah. At 400 bucks for eight core 16 thread, 5.4 gigahertz boost, especially because like precision boost, whatever AMD calls it, their boost technology is so good

that I would actually expect this. If you provide ample cooling to exceed that in some cases, like with just a tiny little bit of adjustment, I just don't see how you're going to get any kind of meaningful performance uplift in games going to a 7900X or 7950X. Of course,

I am totally excited to be proven wrong. I'd love to see, you know, massively multi-threaded games come and I'd love to see just like absolutely like runaway frame rates. Um, but I just, I don't,

I don't foresee it happening at a time when the current generation consoles all have eight core CPUs. I just don't think it's realistic. Speaking of which. Well, the real ones. Sorry, Nintendo. Guess what I played a little bit recently and actually had some fun with?

Guitar. Star Citizen. No way. I would have actually thought guitar was more likely than that. More likely. Yeah. It only had one extremely major bug

that ruined everything. Only one. That's genuinely statistically not bad as far as star citizen is going uh hey what happened to the poll can i find expired polls oh did someone like close it i don't see it anymore uh you we can find expired polls there is a feature for that uh okay can you you do it if I just share your screen? Because I want to see the... It's going to take me a second. Oh, okay.

Huh? Yeah, don't. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Won't do that. All right, cool. So we'll have a look at the poll results. AM5 motherboards, the high-end X670 and X670E will be available at launch,

while B650E and B650 will arrive in October. Hmm, this is a good question. It's not going to come down to just performance. If Ryzen 7000 and Raptor Lake trade blows, but AMD has committed to support AM5 through at least 2025, which is better than Intel typically does. Why would anyone choose Intel? It's a good question. I would really like to see Intel stick to their sockets for a little bit longer. To be clear, AMD's track record here not perfect i personally personally invested much money into their

strx 40 platform which they said was going to get future threadripper processors which as of yet have not materialized zen 4 is launching on am5 and i don't even have a zen 3 option for my editing stations yet paid for many of those so let's be clear amd's track record not perfect we got one generation of chips that was it um but they are saying that they're going to go till 2025 and intel typically does only two cycles that they're going to go till 2025 and Intel typically does only two cycles. So 13th gen is going to be the end of LGA 1700 theoretically, which will support 12th and 13th gen, which has been a strong argument against Ryzen 5000 right now because the 12th gen platform has had some room to grow while to my knowledge, they still haven't confirmed any kind of Zen 4 anything for socket AM4, although I think they acknowledge that it could be a possibility.

Amp 323. Yes, 5000 Threadripper Pro is out now. It doesn't fit in an STRX40 socket. Fat lot of good that does me. I didn't want Threadripper Pro. I wanted Threadripper for my STRX40 socket. I'm bringing one over, by the way. Right. So in the current battle, 12th gen versus ryzen 5000

12th gen is the smart play all other things being equal wouldn't you rather have an upgrade path if am4 is dead end so the same thing's going to happen again where raptor lake is going to be the end of lga 1700 probably if if intel's pattern is anything to go on while am5 could have one two maybe maybe three upgrades still now that's not to say that you'll get the absolute most out of those future chips on this older platform motherboard but that's another thing amd has done a pretty darn good job of is maintaining that performance across multiple platforms okay you got it yep let's have a look at the results i can't see them oh all right leading the pack it's actually surprising no one has more than 15 percent and it's henry cavill cavill cavill cavill 14 okay henry cavill at 14 but like adam savage is one percent behind jay

rig everything is one percent behind him tied with smarter every day like it's it's it's very close i guess what you guys are trying to say is that there's a lot of potential collabs out there that you think make a lot of sense there's there's a collab that is trying to happen right now. Oh? That I don't, I've tabled it to James. You don't mean Project Farm, right? Nope. Okay.

Someone reached out to me. I've tabled it to James. Project Farm's review of The Screwdriver, by the way, going up Sunday, apparently. I'm stressed, but I'm excited. Okay, what's this other collab? Hit me. Do you want to know who it is? Sure, yeah.

What if you decide not to do it? Would that be weird? I don't know. There's a thousand reasons that a collab might not work out. So given that I'm not committed to it in any way at all, then I guess you can go ahead and tell me.

Okay. Despite me reaching out before and getting ghosted, I have now been reached out by glarses uh who is as as much as i'm salty about that a fantastic youtuber who makes fantastic content um about keyboards and he wants to make with you he wants to come out here a socks and sandals keyboard what the heck is a socks and sandals keyboard? I don't know.

But the ingenuity of this man is high. And I expect great things. He's made a triple keyboard before. Which is literally just three keyboards beside each other. He made a custom 400% keyboard. Which is not actually like additional keys. Which you might think. It's just extremely, extremely large.

He's done many, many amazing things. And I think it could be really funny. All right. You know what? I'm down. But yeah, that's a potential collab. I'm down. Yep.

Cool. All right. All right. I'm into it. I don't know what form it'll take or when it'll happen, but I'm interested in it. I kind of want to troll him. I mean, I still owe Skiffing Britt a T-powered computer, so clearly I'm a it. I don't know what form it'll take or when it'll happen, but I'm interested in it. I kind of want to troll him.

I mean, I still owe Skiffing Britt a T-powered computer, so clearly I'm a little behind on collabs right now. But yes. Yeah. All right. Chat's pretty into it. I will say, as much as you do need to do that T-powered computer, I think this one's a little easier.

I think he's going to fly here with the things that you need, and then you just build it with him. Oh, wow. That's really easy. Hashtag lie-ness. I think he's going to fly here with the things that you need, and then you just build it with him. Oh, wow. That's really easy. Hashtag lie. I think that's what's going on. I'll have to follow up again to figure out more details. But yeah.

Okay. There was one last thing for Ryzen 7000, by the way. PCIe Gen 5. And PCIe 5.0 SSDs will come to market in October. I think that we've kind of reached the practical limit of PCIe 5.0 SSDs will come to market in October. I think that we've kind of reached the practical limit of PCIe SSD speeds mattering for consumers for the next few years. Yeah, that's good. Especially because there are other bottlenecks that are going to be concerns

long before that kind of massive sequential throughput is going to be a problem. Still good though. Oh, is my bleep not working? You want that level of component to be ahead that's fair that's fair because new hardware will come and you want your your old platform to be ready for it i mean there's nothing more frustrating than going back to an old system you know like uh i don't know let's say intel 2000 3000 series and going yeah this is still totally fast enough for what i need to oh my god it has like two usb3 ports yep 100 yeah oh good

gigabit ethernet is what we're gonna think about anything older than like a couple years ago yeah really gigabit i'm trying to transfer a freaking file here Come on For real though Oh man do we want to talk about this Intel Arc thing Oh wait Luke do you want to guess Which one you think it is I'm not going to say it publicly I'm going to wait for you guys to find out

It was on the list but do you want to guess You can just point your mouse pointer at it and I'll say yes or no. Originally, it was this. Yeah, okay. That was my first one. By the end of it, I was thinking this. Before chat voted. It's neither.

Before chat voted. Okay. It's neither. Yeah, I won't react. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah so that'll be that'll be interesting yeah that uh yeah i have i have things to say about that regarding my guess but i will say nothing for now i'll wait till after the show yeah yeah there are definitely um things that

you might say yeah okay intel says arc is as good or better than nvidia at ray tracing okay so here's the thing about ray tracing is that it only really matters if your rasterization performance is also good we've seen gpus that just you know had ray tracing hardware on them but simply weren't powerful enough for that to matter because you weren't going to be gaming at a reasonable level of visual fidelity anyway. So Tom Peterson told PC Gamer, the RTU or ray tracing unit that we have is particularly well suited for delivering real ray tracing performance.

And you'll see that when you do ray tracing on comparisons with an RTX 3060 versus an A750 or A7700, we should fare very, very well. The Intel graphics YouTube channel released a ray tracing technology deep dive yesterday, where they showed some actual software, everything from benchmarks to real games running on their arc hardware. So let's go ahead and skip to some of the timestamps that matter. Actually, Luke, do you want to give me some timestamps here? At 18 seconds, there's Ghostwire Tokyo running on an A770 with ray tracing. Here we go.

Wow, thank you, YouTube compression. This looks like absolute horse s absolute horse so that's cool one of the problems is any visual stuff on youtube yeah what am i even what am i even running at here oh cool auto 360p because because i'm not on a 10 gigabit internet connection i had a twitch clip i don't really watch twitch but it was a clip i had a twitch clip that was shared to me the other day, and I was like, wow, this looks horrible. I figured out it had auto to 144.

And I was like, that's, I'm amazed. Tell me you don't care about VOD and the VOD experience without telling me you don't care about the VOD experience. Yeah. At 1046, it shows 3DMark DirectX ray tracing featured test on the A770 versus a 3060 at 1445 it shows an intel spheres demo there's there's some there's some cool stuff um yeah so you can check that out but here's our discussion question and this is sort of a big one if this

card were released today okay amidst the the pricing apocalypse in the GPU market. Right. Yeah. So let's, let's head over to Newegg. If these cards were released today with all the, the, the warts that they have, like, I mean, even aside from the issues that Intel has acknowledged with things like DirectX 9 performance, right. Um, we've encountered other problems like emulators, just, these are small community projects. They don't have giant teams of developers. They don't have billion-dollar companies behind them. My experience running emulators on Intel graphics hardware has been awful.

Emulation is a huge part of why PC gaming, why a device like the Steam Deck is so great because you can play literally every game ever not literally but you guys understand what i mean right so knowing that there are going to be caveats in a world where an rtx 3060 is slashed all the way down to 380 bucks brand new okay that was the lowest one that i saw we We're going to head over to eBay. Okay, these are remember, these are current gen cards. We're not even talking last gen cards that can achieve equivalent ish performance. So let's have a look at our sold. No, not condition. Come on, come on. Sold items. Yeah, here we go. Where are people paying like new pricing for? Oh, that's a TI.

Okay. Here's a 3060 for $308. Here's a 3060 for $250. 300 bucks, 300 bucks, 290. So these are going for as little as 250 to just around $300 at this point. What price would Intel need to come in at for you to consider an Arc Alchemist GPU? What would it take? Like, unless it's... Okay, no, I'm going to let you go first. Actually, oh, we should poll again.

Let's poll. So I want to see, 200 to 250 250 to 300 300 to 350 because i don't think anything above that is reasonable i mean you can put in 350 to 400 i guess we might as well just have it there right okay i'm working on the pool okay luke's working on the pool uh well maybe i should i working on the pull. Am I just an idiot and I can't find the pull tool? I don't see how to do it. I think so.

Where's the button? It's really straight. It's not in the chat window. That's why you can't find it. It's just barely to the bottom right of the player well there it is look at that and you just make a pull like that now that you know that when the player when the new player launches yeah it's probably gonna move cool so and the new player is launching like

imminently okay perfect thanks luke that's really helpful yeah no worries okay i want to hear what i want to hear what you say the the uh what's what what's your reasonable yeah what's the what's the arc arc alchemist price range for the because remember this is so we're talking to a770 okay a770 that's the that's the one that they're positioning against the 3060 what's the price range that would get you to buy yeah what's the maximum price range that you would buy it i don't think you're overthinking it there was too many characters in the title i had to read you i see what's your price choose your price to me i for me thoughtless victory it's like it's tough because at different times i would have said different things because right now i use my computer for work a lot so there isn't one sure you know what i mean

i'm not willing i need something very stable got it okay because if i if i if i can't get my computer working no i'm gonna flip this around on you i'm not gonna let i know i'm not gonna let you hide behind the it's for work so i'm not done all right okay all right at other times i thought he was gonna cop out i was i looked like a cop i can understand it looked and it smelled like a cop out for sure i would. I would also say, though, at other times in my life, I really like this type of stuff. Oh, so you would just get the newcomer just to like... Very likely.

I would want to see what's going on. I would want to try the different emulators, see which ones broke, figure out why, see what those emulators were doing about it, figure out what the problems were, try different games. That would be very exciting and enticing for me. So I'd probably say the 300 to 350 range because i wouldn't want it to be more expensive sure but i would be willing

to take the risk if that makes sense all right here is i'm going to throw one more scenario at you though what if it was today and you were you now okay but it wasn't for work. This is purely for a gaming rig because, and before you answer, I want you to consider the challenge that we had, that we undertook recently where we switched to daily driving Linux. I wanted to do this with these cards. So the social- I think I mentioned that. The social aspect of gaming is like a huge part of it.

And that was a big part of what i felt like you and i both missed out on during the linux challenge struggle is that even though it run was a we were able to get a lot of games running sometimes with a fair bit of work if you can't play what everyone else is playing it doesn't matter how well it performs it just doesn't matter because you are not able to have that social experience conrad said if it's cheaper than six hundred dollars i'm not buying it i don't buy anything that's not expensive because it makes me feel because it makes me oh shut up conrad you're just trolling you're trolling where's yeezys um i don't know if that's serious or not Well at any rate

He's kind of a baller Here's the poll results Here's the poll results Okay I think he's joking The winning result Is 200 to 250 bucks Over on Floatplane Getting 46% of the vote The winning result is $200 to $250 over on float plane. Yeah, because everyone wants it to be as cheap as possible.

Getting 46% of the vote. Although, a massive 36% of you are saying $250 to $300 is also fine, with 13% of you saying $300 to $350. So actually, you're in the 13%, Luke, who are saying, yeah, it just needs to be competitive. It doesn't actually need to be cheaper. I find it very interesting. I think it would also change depending on what card I currently have.

If I had a card that was, you know, it could still do it with modern games, then I just wouldn't get rid of my current card right away. Right, because then you could always bail. Yeah. But if I had a card that was like it died or something i might be less willing yeah like you uh it would depend on my life stage because there were definitely times in my life that i didn't have enough capital to like have a spare gpu yeah like i would immediately be flipping that you'd have to be able to afford the next one

100 yeah so like it depends on a lot of things but there's definitely price ranges and scenarios here where i'm down 100 i'm very intrigued by these gpus i i uh i think i even mentioned like us doing a challenge where we have to run it when it was announced or something that was a long time ago i don't remember if i did or not um but i it's very interesting to me i i've always really wanted Intel to succeed with this because I want another player in the space. Luke can confirm that I didn't change the formatting of the person that I pointed to

who was the person that was sponsored. What? No. All I did was move the cursor next to it. The formatting is different for different people because just the document is... Oh. And I just didn't bother changing them. It's just different for the top one because it was the first one that was typed in so it still

had the like header yep yeah so don't read too much into it guys change it um all right let's go ahead and where's our food at and he didn't point at it by like changing the font that's extremely unnecessary if you've ever used Google Docs before, you just put his cursor there. For the food, I think he went home for a bit. I looked on the map. He's almost here. Okay.

After I messaged him saying, hello, are you coming? I saw his car turn around and start going back towards us. So, you know, it might be cold nannies with the lads, but we'll find out. So, you know, it might be cold, Nando's with the lads, but we'll find out. Yeah, cold chicken and warm coleslaw. I was going to say, how long has it been? Because, like, cooked chicken.

It's been long enough that Uber Eats is like, we're so sorry. Yeah, right. But, like, is it, like, okay? Because it's cooked chicken. Yeah, it has not been that long. Okay. I mean, it's only, like, two hours. Do I get, like, a partial, like, get like a partial refund or how does this work?

I do believe so. It's been a very, very long time. Okay, cool. Like an hour and a half or something. For those of you who haven't got any merch messages in yet, we are going to be responding to the curated ones from Bell in a little bit. We're waiting for our food, so we wanted to get through all our topics. I just thought the food was going to be here a little sooner we're getting some chicken

i like it a lot hey you know what's cool i get to cover a controversy that's not my own for a change yeah yeah let's go yeah we did it uh d brand is facing backlash after posting a production update for their steam deck accessory kit project kill switch uh the notes were prepared by riley so if there's anything wrong in here then i blame riley on thursday dbrand posted an update source to original update from dbrand here we go and this is in r slash steam deck it'll load eventually i promise we actually do have fast internet here because we care about people's productivity and mental well-being man loading just bothers me so much more now than it used to uh the social team posted an amazing meme that was like ah my game is taking an hour to download and And then like the like,

ah, yes, I will listen to this MP3 after a night of restful slumber. Like I just, my mentality has totally changed about it. I thought that was hilarious. It still doesn't bug me that much. I like having fast internet, but like I'm not willing to fork out the funds for Gigabit right now. So they posted this update,

talking about the release day talking about some different stoves uh how the reservation was gonna work uh some different scenarios kind of some stuff like that price elasticity of demand percentage of customers willing to pay at i don't even know what any of that is so cool anyway they posted an update um they said that they would launch september 28th in the form of an essential kit at 59.95 and a travel kit at 74.95 well the the the update number four says december or september 25th well sure users immediately noticed the absence of any mention of the tempered glass screen protector, which many thought would be bundled with every other component in one kit,

since it was listed along with the other components on dbrand's website, Source 3, which I won't bother clicking right now. This led to anger that dbrand was ripping people off by removing an item from the bundle after promising it would be included. Some users criticized dbrand for charging extra for basic components. In an official response posted under an hour ago, dbrand explains that they initially announced Project Killswitch as an umbrella term to encompass their suite of Steam Deck accessories. In fairness, I did not know that. I thought it was just the case. So I apparently was not even among their audience one of the two camps in terms of how they

interpreted that camp a assumed all six items would be included as a single product purchased at one msrp so case kickstand travel cover skin for the case screen protector and stick grips while camp b assumed you want to see it all six items were standalone products here's the source okay got it complicating things is the fact that the screen protector launched six months ago and was purchased by uh dbrand says the majority of kill switch reservation holders who paid a three dollar reservation fee which was subtracted at the from the price of purchase the way dbrand sees it including everything in one bundle what camp a wants would saddle 68 of reservation holders with a duplicate product so they split it into two kits and keep the screen protector as a standalone

purchase however there's also the fact that prior to update number four, dbrand reservation holders received an email with a survey asking what price they'd be willing to pay for a kit. dbrand included this data at the bottom of the Reddit post. Okay, that's what we were looking at. So users are accusing dbrand of making this decision after finding out that they could make more money by splitting the products up in this way. Huh. Okay. Um... products up in this way huh okay um is there like a pre-order an image of the pre-order page well it wasn't really a pre-order so people couldn't have purchased it they hadn't announced so no one put their money down um yeah i mean so does it matter

i don't know i don't really get it the okay so the original picture the uh the um let's see not the update number four not that but the picture screenshot of kill switch listing tempered glass as a component this i could definitely see being interpreted in in different ways um because this says can i zoom in yeah so there's a project components thing at the bottom i'll make this really big and then share my screen so that people can see what I'm talking about. So this is at the bottom. Project components, impact resistant grip case, magnetic kickstand, skins, tempered glass, travel cover, stick grips. But it doesn't like, it doesn't like say.

Like, I don't know. It could be a line of products. It could be one package of products. It doesn't say any of that. I don't know it could be a line of products it could be one package of products it doesn't say any of that i don't know yeah i um also there's no pricing so what does it even matter if it's included or not if they made the tempered glass thing you can just buy it right you can buy it now yeah so i don't get it if they never announce the pricing what does it actually change so just add one of the bundles to your cart and then also add the tempered glass to your cart okay people including i put three dollars down for project kill switch what does

that even mean well that's that's to like reserve. Like basically it's to indicate interest in a way that dbrand can actually kind of count on. Like I wish that when we had taken screwdriver or backpack interest levels that we had taken like some token amount of money because it's a much larger commitment. Do you make that refundable?

So the way it works is when you place your order, it's included or something like that. And it's a fairly negligible amount, like it's three bucks. So I think for them, they saw that as justifiable. Now that we've done things the way that we've done them, I don't know that we'll change it just because it's kind of working for us and everyone has their own way of doing things. But it's definitely something that I'd want to reevaluate next time we have like a sign up for notification um you know do we want to take some kind of deposit do we not want to take a deposit we had a lot of people say we should have taken a deposit kind of like valve's done with the steamjack um yeah so i don't know we'll

we'll we'll think about it um i don't know for me the most interesting part of all of this is the way that dbrand can pivot between being antagonistic towards their customers and the absolute royal crown king and queen of trolling the entire world and being meticulous and professional in their communication. and being like meticulous and professional in their communication um but all without not being them this is probably the funniest line in this whole response uh replying to this reddit post can you attach the travel cover when the deck doesn't have the kill switch case on does the deck fit in the valve supplied case with the travel cover on? By their understanding, the travel cover is a truly standalone component usable without a case. At least 12 other users seem to agree with their understanding. At no point did we suggest this was a possibility. This user is simply mistaken. While it is fair to hold us to a higher standard of consumer education on interoperability the reality is that we have almost 11 years of data to support the notion that this type of misunderstanding is

unavoidable at scale they just basically called people idiots but in the most professional way that i think i have ever seen i think they're i mean this is the first time I've seen any of this stuff, but there's no reason to me why I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Doesn't it even say it's a magnetic kickstand? I don't know. I don't get it. I don't know. I'm over it.

If you can't refund, it's a pre-order. Don't go back on your word. Yeah, that makes sense to me. All right. Yeah, I mean, I guess if people didn't know refund it's a pre-order don't go back on your word yeah that makes sense to me all right um yeah i mean i guess if people didn't know what they were buying then dbrand's biggest sin here is just not figuring out the plan it is very unclear i will say that much when you go to the project page it says project could like we're doing this project we're we're looking for interest whatever reserve yours for three dollars the project includes all of these things my base assumption would that would

be that it i'm buying this thing that costs this much or not that costs as much i actually have no idea how much it costs so there's no way in hell i would ever do this because why would i reserve something that i have no idea what the price for it is um but yeah i mean that's that's up that's other that's other people's thing you can do whatever you want but i would assume that it's one package that has all of this but again if it's all possible for sale and they didn't say how much it costs yeah then who cares i don't know i don't really get it i don't think this matters but i also just learned about it now and don't really understand everything that's going on so sounds good uh trost daft asks i wish floatplane took up more of the screen when

not full screen thankfully picture in pictures there the new player is it going to have like a theater mode style thing has a theater mode cool coming very soon coming soon mythical new player um all right the chick oh the chicken's here the chicken's here we've got some chicken that means i think it's time to do some merch messages and uh go off the rails a little bit here so here we're trying something new this week uh we've had some people saying they don't like merch messages clogging up the tech discussion. So we're doing all the tech discussion front-loaded. So if you don't like the Q&A stuff

and all that goodness, then see you later. And we're hungry, so we're going to have some dinner. Hey, thanks, Bell. You rock, man. You didn't by any chance happen to get your hands on like a thingamahickey for putting in the thing, did you? A thingamahickey. What a guy. What a guy. He's got the forks.

He's got the sauce. What's the sauce for? You don't like shake it? You just mix it with a fork? Well, I don't know. I told you I've never had Nando's before I don't know what the sauce is for That is some

Lukewarm chicken That is lukewarm AF We both get one of these? I thought we got different things I don't know no we both ordered the same thing That's why I was trolling you No but like the what do you call it The base Oh the basting okay

so that's just for the chicken i got this is whatever goes on the salad yeah i don't on the salad i think there's a whatever i don't know what this is i don't even know what's happening i don't even know what's happening wait did did this order literally take an hour and a half to arrive and didn't come with forks? Didn't come with forks. Wow. This is amazing. All right. Bon appetit, everyone.

Do you have to say that you need forks? Bell, while you get settled in, I'm just going to get a couple of merch messages going here. Okay. Oh, man. There's a lot of curated ones tonight. All right. Cool. Caleb asks, what's the longest road trip you've ever taken?

Currently on a 10-hour drive. Thanks for the infototainment i don't actually know which one is technically longer um that's what she said but i've but i've road tripped to winnipeg and i've road tripped to arizona i feel like arizona's longer arizona is quite a bit farther pretty sure i've never mapped it oh crap and canada's big oh crap i just threw rice all over myself This is not good You mix it like that? That's what I've done before I don't know I haven't had this container There's rice everywhere

If I get a bowl I usually shake it up Thanks for nothing Luke I'm sorry The longest road trip I've ever been on Should I try it now? I almost don't want to if it just sprayed everywhere So I drove across the country longest road trip I've ever been on. Should I try it now? I almost don't want to if it just sprayed everywhere. It was to Halifax. So I drove across the country

when I learned to drive. So the day I got my learner's permit, right? So I was 16 years old, exactly. The day I got my learner's permit, I took my knowledge test. That's it. It's purely a knowledge test.

And I walked out to the parking lot, all excited. And my mom was like, what the are you doing? That's the passenger seat. You drive now. And I was like, uh, okay. This is a manual car. I, you had no training on manual yet? No.

So she's like, well well no time like the present so i drove out of like the i wouldn't call it a city like it's maple ridge like it's not but i drove out of the icbc licensing office in maple ridge home um, which was interesting. Then we packed and we left because my birthday is in the late summer and we needed to be back for school to start. So this was a trip. We were back for school and we left on either my birthday or the day after or something like that. Um, that was a long way. There's a lot of being in a car with two people. Yeah. It was good, though. It was very memorable.

It was one of the most memorable things I've done in my life. Definitely worth it. Cool. Next question here is from NCC1702. Linus, your existential dread about LMG and your legacy has inspired me to change how i train people that is irrelevant but wouldn't you would you ever have ltt themed framework accessories whether it's the shell or other parts of or components the training thing is kind of ominous i wonder if that's a good thing or not. Well, I think it is a good thing. I think that we should always try to...

It depends what the goal is, right? So if my goal is to build something that provides information to consumers long after I'm dead, then I should be preparing for me to be dead as soon as possible, right? But if my goal is to run a company well then obviously i don't really give two hoots about what happens to it when i'm dead because my

goal is just to run a company right so yeah it's i don't know there's a lot of people here that are younger than me they will they will outlive me um you know i don't know that the younger people than me like the jake belevance's of the world the luke lafreniere's of the world i don't know that the younger people than me, like the Jake Belevances of the world, the Luke Lafreniers of the world, I don't know that they'll still be here. I don't think I'm going to outlive you. For that long? That's fair. That's an inside joke. It is.

Yeah, anyway. I'm not explaining that. The point is, I do think it matters. So for my goal, it matters a lot. As for your question, reframework, LTT branded framework accessories, any business decision has to be like it starts with a Venn diagram. Like it's so it's so simple. We learn it in grade two, grade three or whatever it is. But it's such an important life skill. Anytime I do anything, I basically start drawing a circle.

I basically start drawing a circle. And I try to find, you know, what the necessary circles are that will land on the person who is interested in that service or that product or that piece of content. And I talk, honestly, even not this week because I was on vacation, but last week I probably had a Venn diagram conversation with two separate writers, whether it's pitching a video concept or whether it's, you know, during the script, a paragraph that they've written where I've gone, OK, this paragraph is relevant to people who are super into Linux, people who get this know, have been keeping up with the current events that this like news thing that you alluded to. So you've got these circles and you've got this tiny little intersection. You've got small circles with the tiny intersection and basically it doesn't land unless

all of these stars align. You wrote this joke for yourself. Take it out. You know, like those kinds of conversations. They're tough conversations, but it out. You know, like those kinds of conversations. They're tough conversations, but it's a really important training exercise so that you don't just spin your wheels producing products or creating content that nobody actually wants to consume, right? And so I feel like the LTT-themed framework accessories

fall there. No offense to Framework, love Framework, love their mission. Invested in the company, right? But their market share in the laptop space, it's not a circle. It's a dot, you know? And so we need that dot to overlap with LTT viewers, right? viewers, right? We need that. We need the subset of LTT viewers that will actually buy anything LTT branded that want to rep the brand. They have to actually have bought a framework laptop,

right? So you got people interested in framework, people interested in LTT, people who actually bought a framework and people who are willing to buy something from LTT. You're asking for so many stars to align. I just don't think it's feasible. There's minimum order quantities, right? Like if it was some 3D printed thing that we could throw up on Thingiverse or something, or I think Thingiverse ran afoul of like the creator community or something.

I don't know. Don't quote me on that. But whatever the trendy place to throw up 3D printing files, right? Sure, sure. Yeah, that's fine. But if we're talking a mass production product where you have to make a thousand or 5,000, 10,000 of them, I just don't think it's feasible. There's also,

I think, within the kind of whole idea of framework and things that we have promoted in the past, try to go to like a hobby space and laser cut your own vinyl. sweet i did it my my laptop has a purple d brand skin on it and then someone i was talking about wanting to do it and then someone sent them to me better than i would have made which was fantastic nice and it's a it's a haunter there's eyes in the mouth and it goes on the purple it looks like haunter and it's amazing looks super cool still there still holding up really well yeah it's great uh question for both of you this is good but it's a really wimpy amount of chicken yeah you were talking about how there's gonna be way too much chicken but those are all fake photos yeah like this is like nothing there's like no chicken it's actually very little chicken. Yeah. If anything, I'm disappointed in the amount of chicken.

I need more Dead Bird. Nando's Reach Out. We want the sponsorship. Change our minds. Yeah, we'll make a whole segment or something. Question from Jay for the both of you. Do you have any games on your phone? Yes.

What? Orna. I've talked about it on the show before. It's a, I don't know what to call the category map game gps game whatever but it's like a pokemon go what i really like about it pokemon go alike yeah sure what i really like about it is i think you know the story of pokemon my thing with pokemon go it launched i didn't look into it i went on a hike because I wanted to get a Geodude. For sure. And there's no Pokemon on the mountain

because they want you to funnel into these Pokestops. Orna is not like that at all. Orna will actually detect like, hey, there's a forest here. We're going to make it a forest biome. There will be more forest things. Same thing for water, stuff like that. So it has significantly more stuff built

into it that encourages you to get out there and move around and right and go on hikes and go off road and do those types of things which i think is very cool so i've been enjoying it it is a mobile game there are some pay to make your gameplay more successful i wouldn't necessarily necessarily say win is there a win you'll get more yeah exactly that's the problem you get more loot and stuff though so you could perform better with the amount of gameplay time that you invest which I kind of do see as a form of pay to win um but yeah Orna's sweet I enjoy it it encourages me to go outside I have some games I oh i get quests all the time like go walk 2 000 meters and i'm like cool um i have checkers free chess um oh i also have chess nice little time killer with the kids

i have dress coloring um sometimes the girls like to sit and play with my phone sure um i have minecraft on here apparently i've never opened it i don't know why that's on here yeah i have lee chess here apparently. I've never opened it. I don't know why that's on here. Yeah, I have LeeChess and Chess.com. I don't know why I didn't think of those. I use those all the time. Text Twist 2. That's just like a comfort food game.

Yvonne and I like to play together. I have Retroarch on here. Unicorn Color Book Glitter. That's also for the girls. And that's it. That's it for the games on on my phone i'm not really a big mobile gamer anymore i used to play more mobile games back when they were just actually like simpler in a way they've kind of gotten too complicated for me like i'm not going to sit down with the intention of playing a game for an hour on my phone like when it was like Pappy Jump.

Like, yeah, I'm on the can. Stuff like Flappy Bird. That era of games was like, that's all I wanted for sure. Yeah, agreed. Here's some Bell Lord to give him some more time to eat. I love mobile games.

I play a lot, but I prefer the ones that you can just buy and be done. 100%. So without explaining, here's a bunch of ones you should check out. down down well slay the spire uh wait so this fire's on your phone now oh i play it so much on the phone it's perfect for the phone because you can just like click it and it saves your spot and you can move on with your life and go back and keep playing

so i have many hours in that uh loop hero also also on the phone. Also plays great on the phone. A Dark Room. The one I'm going to explain so they have more time. Played down well. It's just go down the hole and try not to die. It'll cost you like five bucks, but it's great. Cool. Next question here.

From Bearded in the Cave. Yep. How did your mini-split system beat your previous house in the Cave. Yep. How did your mini-split system keep your previous house in the northern climate to keep up with the cold? Yeah, it was fine. Yeah, it's been great. It's perfect. Next one here. You guys tweeted out a while ago.

This question's from Brandon, by the way, that you're looking for the next big thing. I shouldn't be. No, chat's saying you were. That's probably old. Classic chat. So you probably used for the next big thing. I shouldn't be. No, chat saying you were. That's probably old. Classic chat. So you probably used to be. Classic chat. Always such pranksters.

We tweeted out, what should we make next now that we have the backpack and screwdriver out? Was there anything that you read that you were like, actually, this is a good idea or something we should consider? There's definitely some good ideas that I saw. I saw someone posted that we should do a glow-in-the-dark screwdriver. I messaged that to Nick, who said apparently it was already on the list. And then Yvonne said that she had suggested it at some point. So apparently it was already on the random future ideas list. I'd say some of the most obvious ones are a smaller version of the backpack.

Get a lot of people asking for that. Yeah. RGB screwdriver? That I don't think we have planned anytime soon smaller version of the backpack though uh maybe costed down as well yeah i think people might end up disappointed at how little it ends up affecting the cost because most of the cost is in the construction not the raw materials and the construction is really complicated it's it's a really complex bag to manufacture. That's a big part of why it costs so much. I saw a really interesting post

breaking down how much we've made on Backpack and Screwdriver on Reddit. No way that's accurate. It was not accurate. Our costs, I just want to make it really clear. It estimated our costs at 25% of our retail price. That is not even close on either backpack or screwdriver. Our costs are substantially higher than that on both of them because materials, construction, logistics, they all cost a lot of money. More than you obviously, more than you think they're profitable we're making money like it's good it's it's good business uh but it's not uh yeah we're not making what would that work out to like 400 400 points on them that's that's not happening

um other stuff i mean yeah we'd we'd love to do more variants of the screwdriver. There's an email from you that I need to respond to. I've been mulling it over. I think super no, like aggressively no. Oh wait, what did I say? Is this not?

It was about, um, buying up a certain company. Buying a company? That is making a thing that I theoretically wanted at one point. Oh, we should just talk about it no we should not buy uh i i pitched to luke i was like hey we have officially launched more tools than the coal bar hammer company maybe we should just offer to buy them and finally push it over the finish line no no no no no for for for a wide variety

of reasons i think no no no no i'd love to hear more about your reasons um it has taken this long what do you think the state of the project's i don't know if you buy the company, do you buy their debt? I don't know. Maybe. But do you make the coal bar hammer? And do you make that debt back? Let's go! Do you want to make the coal bar hammer? Would you be better off just sicking Kyle or whoever else on ice?

It makes no sense. But let's say you even wanted to make a hammer i think you'd be better off just having him design a hammer instead of just buying out this probably at this point in time not even good design for a hammer and like it tries to do way too many things if all you had to do was be able to break into a crowbar and also be a hammer and that was it and just limited the other stuff he could probably make one that was way better i have some bad news luke what top message or i should call it top keckage from nick light from Nick Light not gonna lie

I thought about the coal bar idea a month or so ago I think it's hilarious and I'm down how many people are even gonna get the joke it doesn't have to be a joke maybe we can actually make it good why would you want to make a you bought it I get it I didn't buy it for me to make a hammer? Backpack. I get it.

I didn't buy it for me. I have a hammer. It's great. It's a hunk of metal that goes up and then goes both directions and I can hit it on things. And all the other crap it does? Darn it!

I don't think most people are going to get the joke. It doesn't even have to be a joke. What if it's just good? I'd buy the cool bar hammer for my dad, says Conrad. Heck yeah. We can all buy one for our dads. I was going to say, if we sell a cool bar hammer indirectly to everyone's dad.

Then it's fine. We're doing great. Great business model. In all seriousness, I do have one that I'm pretty excited about that is very early stages. So who knows if it'll ever even make it across the finish line,

but I want to do a battery bank that is kind of Steam Deck style. So don't replace the cells, but also if you're going to do it here's how to do it yeah that'd be sweet so the idea would be like the last battery bank you would ever buy yeah um if it's if it's possible you know i'd love to figure out if there's a way for us to make the firmware upgradable so that if you know let's say someone like nintendo Nintendo who uses USB PD, but in kind of a wonky, different than everyone else way. So your switch can die if you use a standard power brick, like,

um, you know, that sort of thing, right? So if there's a way for us to firmware update it so that we can account for things like that, obviously things, bad things might still happen, but if we can continue to, to tweak it over time, I think that would be a super valuable product. And I think that's one of the big things, uh, that we're, we're really gonna continue to focus on as we go forward. Cause that's, what's really differentiated backpack and screwdriver is we figured out what we wanted to exist and then made it exist, right? Like with something like a t-shirt, I think there's a little less room for innovation. But for something like that battery bank, I think absolutely we are identifying something that is a problem and we're fixing it.

I hate to say it. Yeah. It's been said a million times. It's been thought about. I think it might have even been decided to not do. It's been thought about. I think it might have even been decided to not do. But if you do socks and if you do sandals, you've literally completed the outfit.

You could walk outside, respectively. Maybe not respectively. You could walk outside legally wearing entirely LTT clothing. That would be pretty sick. I understand it's hard to do, but that would be pretty sick. And the amount of people that would buy socks and sandals, LTT edition, I think is pretty solid. I think there's a business argument there as well. I need new socks pretty bad. I've been holding out for like years.

The real motivation. Yeah. I'm being transparent about bad. I've been holding out for like years. The real motivation. Yeah. Oh, I'm being transparent about it. It's time. I have to go buy new socks. So we're not going to hit my time window, unfortunately. But yeah, I think that'd be sweet. Darn tough.

If you guys want to work together, hit me up. Yeah. Deodorant. Frankly, we don't make anything. We couldn't make anything strong enough for our audience. Love you guys, but. Bare feet is legal. Not everywhere.

There are places that you have to have coverings on your feet. I don't know. I don't know. Speaking of buying companies, if you could choose another content creator to join the LMG staff, who would it be? I don't know how to answer this question without it being like yeah that's tough i think honestly i think we i think we skip that do i abstain how about instead

of the one i could pick like a one that i'd love to work with all of them a few we would love to work with everyone i mean it's tough you know ah man it's tough because just because i really like someone and respect them as a content creator and would love to work with them every day doesn't mean I think they should be acquired. Right? Like, let's take... Okay, let's take someone we talked about last week.

Okay, Sara Dietschy, right? She has a totally different perspective on tech. There's no reason to do that. Yeah, right. Doing great on her own. Exactly. She's doing great on her own. she's doing great on her own she's probably more valuable to the the greater community as as an indie um why like what if all we wanted to do

was you know make sure that she had consider let's say she she hadn't just killed it on her lab 22 launch or whatever else so let's say that our you know she was struggling in some way or something if all we wanted to do was make sure she had like consistent income or or something like that well like what are we what are we getting out of it so presumably we expect profit at some point so if that's our motivation well what are we going to do to squeeze her publication for more profit? Is that even going to provide any kind of service to her viewers? It has to be a win, win, win, right? It has to be a win for us, a win for her and a win for the audience. And if it's not a win, win, win, then it doesn't make sense. And I can't think of too many that would fit in that

category. Yeah, it's tough. That's really tough. Because i mean you you see what was it mcns you see what mcns did to people yeah just extract value you don't want to be an mcn that's stupid lame and annoying and no one likes you and you're dumb um so like linus said there has to be value in both directions. There has to be something that's a truly beneficial for them. And, uh, we could get them editors and, and videographers and stuff like that. But a lot of these creators already have solutions for that. Some creators actually are unwilling to give up the creative control of editing.

So want to do it themselves um which is respectable that's an approach whatever i'm not making any judgment on that but like some people wouldn't even want those benefits is what i'm saying um yeah i don't know it's really tough there's a lot of people that i would like love to work with more closely because i think it would be freaking awesome uh but i don't think that would necessarily be better for anyone other than it just being like cool question here from jay do you think we'll ever see ram slots on gpus for choosing how much ram you want nope never should we explain in more detail or just leave it there? All right, we'll explain in more detail. What's the trend you see in terms of RAM's physical proximity to processing power? Let's look at Apple's M1 processor, where they've actually

got the RAM right on the package. Closer. GPUs were one of the first consumer devices in your system that brought the RAM off of an installable module that's just out of necessity, quite physically distant from the processor and from the memory controller, and put it right on the board, soldered to the board right next to the processor. Why? Because GPUs needed mondo memory bandwidth in order to move texture data and other game assets back and forth. So what you're never going to see then, and look at the highest performance, I don't know what that was and look at the highest performance i don't know what that was look at the highest performance gpus today they actually bring the memory even closer with hbm so those because the traces are so short are much easier to run at much higher frequencies and so the last

thing you're going to see the gpu industry do is trend back the other way to modules. Like not only are they physically more distant, but anytime you have an interface like that, like a slot, like a socket and a pin interface or anything like that, you're going to have some loss. And that loss is bad for signal integrity, which is bad for, you guessed it, higher switching speeds, which is bad for bandwidth. So it's just, it's never going to happen. I'm pretty sure it did happen

way in the past as well. And it's not done anymore, which doesn't always mean a lot, but in this case, I think it does. We've got a food question here. Luke and Linus, what was the most memorable meal of your life? Easy

I have an answer for this That is easy And I'll lock it in Do you want to go first? No Hit me I think it might even be the same Because you were there

Oh was it the first dinner? The first LMG dinner? Oh Oh different one Darn it Because that was pretty memorable. We had that like truffle and stuff. Like it was a whole.

I'm not really sure. It was a whole thing. Yeah, that was kind of. The first LMG Christmas party was not really a Christmas party. And. It was awesome. We could like. We.

Okay. To put it in perspective. Our first meal when we landed in Las Vegas that first year was chicken nuggets because they were cheap. We got a whole table of chicken nuggets. So we balled out on chicken nuggets. We had no money. But to celebrate the success of our CES trip and the connections we'd made and the sponsorships that we had started conversations about and all that good stuff, we went out for one nice dinner. And I was like, maybe we'll make this a tradition.

That tradition has since become the annual Christmas party. But when it started, it was just me, Ed, Luke, and Brandon, and Luke's friend. And we kind of, you know, for us, went kind of wild in terms of ordering it felt pretty nuts i remember like being worried about the company's books because we got like a 50 fried rice i remember specifically that fried rice that was the as much as i remember that fried rice, the food itself wasn't... Was not great. Yeah, I didn't care at all.

That was a big moment in my life. But the meal isn't what made that memorable. So that's fair. I wouldn't have picked my wedding just because it was about the wedding. It wasn't about the meal. Yeah. So that's the reason why i think my brain didn't go there my brain went to a different dinner that you were

also at japan yes yeah we we stayed at this it was a hotel in japan that was like a thousand years old or some crazy like i remember hearing that and being like no way and then i looked into it it's like uh yep that's true um it was at a hot spring we were it was just amazing we had a a meal in at the hotel in this like big open room uh there was like three waitresses for like the what was it like 12 of us that were there or something crazy one chef for just us i still have it's it's still on my fridge it will always be on my fridge i still have the like the it's not a menu it's like the order that the dishes come in i can't read it because it's in japanese but um that was that was an incredible meal i don't know and it

was it it does have the other components and it's probably cheating because of that, to be fair. Because that was also a pretty big moment for us. The people that were there were awesome. There was a lot of other things going on. But the meal itself, like, oh, man. It was like some insane number of courses. Like over 12, I think. And chicken sashimi is definitely the most adventurous thing I've eaten. You ate it too? Yeah, I didn't remember if you did. Yeah, I think. And chicken sashimi is definitely the most adventurous thing I've eaten. You ate it too?

Yeah, I didn't remember if you did. Yeah, I remember both of us tried it and then cooked the rest of our chicken in our broth. They were not a huge fan of it. It is what it is. But yeah, that was amazing. Yeah. That was for the Omron factory tour video is tied to that trip yeah omron there's also a wan show which is probably one of the more unique passed out, drunk behind the camera. It's a miracle. He managed to get the camera pointed in the right direction before he fell asleep on the stairs.

The stuff he has been able to accomplish when needed to is impressive. Absolute unit. Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Speaking of travel, Tomas asks, if there's a country or place that you've always wanted to visit but haven't had the chance to.

I want to go to Australia or New Zealand. I heard that's the place to be when the apocalypse comes. What, because they're already, like, trained in dealing with it? No, it's because there's nothing of real strategic value it's far enough away from everything that is of strategic value that the fallout won't really get there and it's like temperate and like pretty uh developed world in terms of infrastructure and like standard living relatively self-sufficient i know new zealand is checking a lot of those boxes specifically

yep um those are definitely up there a lot of the places that i really wanted to go i have gone to so that knocks off a bunch of stuff to be honest i would really like to go back to japan i barely even count our trip there as like actually being in japan we were there for like less than 24 hours weren't they weren't we and we slept so like it was a very short period of time. I think I'm going to cop out and say Japan because I don't really count being there for literally less than 24 hours as really being in Japan. Even though I literally just mentioned one of my favorite dinners being there. I found out why this was 600 calories. Look at the disgusting amount of sauce in it.

Yeah, like I can only eat half of this because it's not completely saturated in mayonnaise. It's got quite the aroma. Yeah. We've got this like hummus thing though. Scrapyard Wars with hardware and box in Australia. Yeah, I mean, we've said all the unfortunate reasons why Scrapyard Wars like isn't so much of a thing anymore.

Yeah, it's dead. Sorry, guys. Yeah. Question here from Mike my kids love my LTC water bottle that's not really a question would you consider making a smaller one for kids maybe with artwork from the ABCs of gaming yes we're already working on a smaller one we

hadn't thought of putting ABCs of gaming characters on it yet but good idea yeah I get a lot of comments and merge message about people loving the ABCs of gaming characters on it yet, but good idea. Yeah, I get a lot of comments and a merch message about people loving the ABCs of gaming. So that'd be cool. I think it's because I specifically mentioned during the screwdriver stream that I read every review. Some people have left some really sweet reviews over the last few days. Thank you very much. It was a labor of love. So yeah, I really appreciate it. Next one here is from Elliot. Linus, you've talked about your disdain of closed ecosystems and smart homes many times on the show, but you've also said

you're super down for a biometric implant. Are you less concerned about biotech when compared to all this closed ecosystem? Well, I wouldn't go for a closed ecosystem biotech implant. Yeah. There's a lot of caveats there. The biometric implants that we're talking about are quite simple. Yeah, like an NFC thing that I can just program to just like spit out, you know, a bunch of characters when I scan a thing, right? Like I'm talking really, really, really basic stuff right now. Yeah. Yeah. Very user controllable type of stuff.

From Joshua, how did you navigate the transition from a small to medium sized business I'm working for a small company for the first time and we're rapidly growing any tips would be great hire a PR person and then don't ignore them there we go

in all seriousness though I mean And then don't ignore them. There we go. In all seriousness, though, I mean, you just got to keep iterating, right? Just keep learning as you go. I'm not a business. I'm not like a business guru type person. I don't read a lot of business books. When I read them, what I usually discover is that a lot of what I find in them is stuff that I did figure out along the way, maybe not exactly the same way. To be clear, I'm not saying I'm some kind of genius. Well, I figured everything out. Like it's not it's not like that at all. But

the problems that I've had to solve, I've solved them. So I guess what I'm saying is take time, identify problems, solve them in ways that are scalable for the long term. Don't just solve problems short term. I just don't, I just, I just, I mean, even the way we've moved into our house, like you've seen it, a room goes from absolute chaos to perfection because I just do not have the cycles to do something that I know I'm going to have to do again. It's not worth it to me. And that's one of the things I've learned as we've scaled.

And if it's not going to save you time in the future, don't do it. It's a flow playing question. Any new secret shoppers in the work? Hold on. the future don't do it it's a flow playing question uh any new secret shoppers in the work hold on i genuinely don't know i'm not on the team that plans that type of stuff i cannot actually answer this question what i will say is you shouldn't even ask due to the nature of secret shopper they can't tell you and you don't want to know because you don't want anyone else to know there you go yeah well pickles lord of the jar wants to know just a few months back you were worried about the prospect of your new products not selling

well enough with this recent success do you feel more confident about launching future high-end merch deployments it always depends right like nothing i can't take anything for granted i've i feel like it's one of those things where if you guys just bought it because it had our label on it I'd be like have I taught you nothing you know so um I think that there's a lot of pressure on us to keep making stuff that stands out and will be successful and I don't really feel any less of that I don't feel like past success is necessarily an indicator of future success and in in that particular regard I think that you probably can carry some momentum forward but that momentum is short-lived right if you guys buy one thing from us where

you're like oh yeah I heard like LTT has really good quality stuff um but I didn't like this you're like, oh, yeah, I heard, like, LTT has really good quality stuff, but I didn't like this. You're never going to buy anything again. So we kind of have to, we don't have to hit it out of the park every time, but you can never hit less than, like, a line drive single, to use a baseball metaphor. Question here from Lucas. Linus, you've talked about VR a lot,

but what are your thoughts on AR headsets? Have you tried them, like HoloLens, and do you think we'll ever reach mass adoption? Not with HoloLens. Have you tried it? Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of bad. Yeah.

So for me, really, it's not a question of how cool is this technology, what can we do with it? It's a question of what do I want to do? And can this technology do it? For me, the killer app for AR is memory augmentation. I can never remember who people are or like where I know them from.

Oh yeah, totally. Or the last thing we talked about or how many kids they have. If I had a contact lens that I could wear that was like um luke mentioned his bird last time you guys were hanging out was having some health related issues uh you should check in with him about that i can't even i can't i don't even think i could put a sticker price on what i would pay for something like that i pay a lot for something and i wouldn't be the only person like in a, in a professional setting, people literally will hire assistants whose entire job it is to follow them

around at events and like cross-reference and like, like provide them with information as people approach. Like that's actually a thing, right? So, um, in a professional setting, I could see something like that being invaluable. But I don't know, man, maybe navigation, like a really slick AR implementation. Navigation and a facial recognition thing that can tell me who people are. Yeah. And maybe some basic information would be fantastic. i will remember so many details about someone

and not their name and not their birthday but i'll remember like lots of things about them i'll be able to jump back into a conversation and as long as they don't expect me to say their name or remember their birthday yeah i'll do great but yeah uh nighttime astronaut asks given the importance of the wan show now in terms of But yeah. Nighttime Astronaut asks, given the importance of the WAN show now in terms of LMG's contact with the community and consumers, should Bell be given a substantial pay increase and maybe some kind of crown or cape

to denote his incredible role? I like the crown and cape. I like the crown and cape. But see, the reason I brought up this comment is because I see comments like this a lot. You know, Kyle did a great job in this video. He should get a raise. Or this person did this. They should get a raise. That is not how it works at all. What do you mean? That's not how it works. What do you mean? First of all, you're assuming that they're not already paid fairly. Second of all, guys,

the people who are in front of the camera are a small fraction of the people who work here. You don't just give the person who gets the screen time the raise. We have dozens of other people that supported that, that made whatever it is that Bell or Kyle or I am doing possible

who also need to be paid fairly if we just gave raises to people every time they did anything of value that was public facing our pay scale would be f***ed like a mess no that's not how it works as much as i appreciate the sentiment when people will say, man, Anthony did a great job of this video. He should get a raise. It's just not how it works. I'm sorry.

No offense, Bell. You know, you're great. You know, heart. They wouldn't even see the cape and the crown. I could be wearing it. Crown and cape, I'm down for it. Okay, you've got a $40 crown and cape budget. Let's go, i'm down for it yeah okay you've got uh you've got a 40 crown and cape budget let's go boys yeah just let logistics know they can source something for you all right you could just get a bk crown for free and then get a sweet 40 cape it's exactly

the plan yeah nice and we'll get you guys a bell cam so when we're doing merch messages we can just put him like in the middle here so we'll just get like a face cam for him we down we good yeah i'll get a really old one so it looks like an old 90s nice let's do it let's do it let's go um question here from cameron do you have any thoughts on the gbd win three there's been a lot of comparisons but i'd love to know your thoughts uh we checked out the gpd win max 2 recently but the win 3 oh you know what no i haven't i haven't really looked into this one yet sorry nope not yet someday soon looks sick though yeah another ar thing oh no this is the old one gpd win 3 no this this one's old yeah it's cool but it's a little it's yeah it's a little older the slide out keyboard doesn't have a ton of value

for me i'll say that another ar thing is i would love a really fancy calendar slash alarm app where i can signify when like something is unmissable. And by unmissable, I mean like blast my face with it. Make it so that I, it's because it's literally covering my eyes. It's like impossible to not at least respond in some way to it. Like do not let this notification not come in, basically. That would be great. Honestly, that could be solved with just oh yeah it totally could being able to set a persistent ringer on reminders like an alarm

like hey anyone from the android team if you're watching can that just be a feature next time around so that you can set a different alarm style like a looping alarm style on reminders and on calendar notifications that would be just a game changer for me that'd be sweet like i actually need to go to this meeting do not and stop until i acknowledge that i am at the meeting there would yeah it would be cool if you could do a like i am there thing because there's also times where you're like oh i get a notification okay cool i know i have to do this thing and then you just get blasted by some like huge, something's on fire problem that you need to immediately solve.

And then you need to remember to go back to that meeting. But once the thing's not on fire anymore, you forget about the notification. While we're at it, it would be great if in the calendar app, I could set what my default reminder schedule is because I always have to go in and manually say, hey, I need to know the day before, I need to know the hour before, and I need to know the amount of time it takes for me to get there before

because otherwise I won't go. Yeah, agreed. Question we have here from a lot of people. What are your thoughts about the person winning an art contest with an AI-generated piece of art? What are your thoughts about the person winning an art contest with an AI-generated piece of art? As someone who doesn't really get art, but who can certainly appreciate seeing something I like, for the cost of getting a print done, decorate my house, which I think is super cool. I see it as a potential, um, I see it as a potential danger to the craft though, of art over time. So while it's pretty easy for me to say,

okay, uh, I saw someone tweet at me a portrait of Linus Sebastian in the style of Rembrandt, right? And they looked awesome. If I wanted a portrait of myself in the style of Rembrandt, I guess I could put that up. I don't. But what's going to be the style then? What will be the future styles that we can plug into our our AI generator with that said maybe it's a total and totally invalid concern people create art just because they wish to create art and the value of something created by a person doesn't seem to be tied to the number of hours they spent on it the ease with which it could be replicated by something else. It's, it's about the, it's about the person. It's about that, that aura around them, right? We don't, we don't, we don't pay $100,000 for a painting or whatever else because it looks the, it looks

$90,000 prettier than a $10,000 painting. That's just like not how it works. It's about, it's's about who you know and it's about connections and it's about notoriety and so i don't think that an ai artist i think that it could absolutely take out a lot of commodity art but i don't think it's going to take out um like high-end art um like boutique art if that kind of makes sense yeah like hide your money from taxes art yeah it won't take that well it's a whole separate conversation yeah oh for me on the art thing i think it's just completely down to whoever's hosting the contest do you allow it or do you not it's like the same thing with speed runs right tool assisted speed runs task speed runs those are they have their own category you could have an art contest for for ai generated art, whatever.

I think it's down to the contest. I don't think, I'm going to say the same as Linus. So I'm not in that space. I'm very far from being an artist. Yeah, Eshwe Lu over on Twitch says, AI art only looks good. As a professional artist, you need to be able to thoroughly explain your context to be taken seriously. Sure. But yeah, it's fair enough.

I don't give two sh two about any of that but i suspect uh ai artists could also start working with gpt3 and have it write a blurb that goes along with the art and explain why it's cool um if you think that's a limitation now i'll see you in two years um but either way i i just i think it's always going to be a different different space yeah yeah i agree like smart smartphones put cameras and put video recorders in the pockets of of everybody and that doesn't make it so that you don't still need like filmmakers right like it's yeah what we also see is that you can sell prompts for the ais to generate stuff which i think is so interesting it's like this guy who was in the art contest was like i will share what my prompt was

to get this art later and like is trying to sell this prompt to get the art that he had made that one so very interesting future i mean it's a kind of IP, I guess. Yeah, yeah. It's like if you're really good at configuring the machine, that has a value. So, sure. Yeah, I'm just very surprised, but it makes sense. Similar things have been done in the past. Question from Micah.

What's your favorite part about running a YouTube channel slash YouTube media company? I don't know what it's not to like. It's the coolest job ever. Thank you. Best part. I don't know. It's nice that someone listens, you know, feeling like part of a community. I mean, we're social creatures, right? Like we all are sort of fundamentally drawn to a lot of the same things.

Turning what you would have done every day anyway into into work is a bit of a double edged sword. I'd say it's the best and one of the worst things about it, but it's it's one of the best even if it might also be one of the worst yeah there's a lot to love that's it for merch messages that's it oh well then i guess that's it for the show pretty good timing yeah thank you so much for tuning in this week we'll see you again next week same bad time