The WAN Show - JIBO IS DEAD!?!? - The WAN Show Nov 30 2018

Episode Date: December 3, 2018

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Start streaming! And as far as I can tell, we're live. But as you guys know, I don't know the first thing about live streaming. I tried to run a stream on my own earlier this week. Did you tune into that disaster by any chance? Were you streaming it while I was at work? No. Oh, well, still no.

Okay, fair enough. So I did like a 10-year anniversary stream with Yvonne as kind of a... You and Yvonne have been together 10 years? No, no, we have... Well, we've been together longer than 10 years. That's really ambiguous. Yeah. So it was the 10-year Linus Tech Tips anniversary.

Okay. So Linus Tech Tips was started on the 25th of November... 25th, 26th, whatever it was. 25th or 26th of November it was. 25th or 26th of November 2008. 10 years ago this whole enterprise began. And so I thought it might be a cool

idea to do kind of a behind the scenes slash Q&A. Like a get to know ya for Yvonne because a lot of people think that I brought my wife to work kind of thing. There's been a lot of comments about like what's his wife doing at work and what does that mean ridiculous it means that like okay and to be clear I get it because I worked at a place where the boss brought his wife to work what does brought your wife work mean brought your wife to work means that for some reason the owner of the company's wife is there every day and

barking orders at people even though she clearly has no idea what's going on so in that if someone were to do that does that does the the boss's wife have formal employment there? Yes. Okay. She did in this case, and of course Yvonne does here. So a lot of people seem to think that that's how things went down, but it's not at all. She's actually been involved since basically day one.

And so I thought it would be cool to do like a stream to like kind of get to know her and find out, you know, what's going on or what she's done here over the years. Cause it's not insignificant at all. And- Do you think it's just, you're just lucky that your wife happened to be competent?

Is that the only difference here? No, cause I don't see any reason why I would have involved her if she hadn't been like, and it's not just that, like she drove me to make almost every major career decision that I have made in the last, like, we've actually been together like 13 years or something like that. It's been quite a long time, only married for eight of it though. Um, so, so she was the one actually driving me. She drove me to drop out of school, which to be clear was actually the

correct decision for me. She only drove me to do that, not because she doesn't believe in school. She finished her degree. She just knew it would have taken Linus forever to graduate. Maybe the plan was dependence. She figured if I didn't get educated, then I'd be stuck with her. A lot of people don't know this. Actually, that's another thing. There's a lot of speculation that she's a gold digger. Actually, she had much better prospects when we met than I did. She's a pharmacist. Yes. I don't know why she works here.

than I did. She's a pharmacist. Yes. I don't know why she works here. So she was in pharmacy school when I met her. So she had just, she wasn't in the pharmacy program yet when we started dating, but she got in shortly after we started dating. So she was on a very clear trajectory. And I was on academic probation at UBC at that time. So I was on a very clear trajectory as well. Why were you on probation? Sexual harassment? Smoking in the boys' room? Academic probation for getting poor grades. Academic probation.

So it was going to take you forever to graduate. If I ever did. No, I would have gotten kicked out. The only reason I didn't get kicked out was because I left. You can't kick me out because I quit. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. Like they wouldn't, I don't think they would ever let me back in that school.

So. Where were you taking? I was taking general science and I couldn't pass calculus for the life of me. She was your tutor, was she not? She was my tutor, but that was only because there was an interest. That was not because I was like out looking for a tutor i just wouldn't have found a tutor and i would have probably gotten an even worse grade if not for her and that would have been impressive actually because i got 19 the first time around

in calc 101 or 100 or whatever it is um so so what, what were we talking about? Right. So anyway, I, so I remember making this joke at the time because I was at around the time that I was dropping out to work as a sales rep at a computer store. And, um, I, so I forget what someone said to me, but something like, you know, you know, your wife's going to be the breadwinner in the future. Like this is speculation. We weren't even close to getting married at that point. And I kind of went, yeah, you know what? We live in enlightened times, you know? Men can go to university for their MRS these days.

There's nothing wrong with that. Because there's this old sexist joke that men go to school, men go to college, or men go to university for their BAs, their MAs, and their PhDs. And what do women go to university for their bas their mas and their phds and what do women go to university for their mrs and so i was like so it's kind of like a play on that very terrible joke it means misses yeah it means they're gonna it means like marrying someone who's gonna have a ba and ma or a phd that's so anyway i that that was all that I got out of school was my MRS. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's like the trend is the other way now. Like almost the majority of couples I know, the woman makes more. Really? In my wife's friend group, it's like that. Huh. Yeah. Maybe your wife's friend

group though is just like highly educated, highly women and maybe that's not necessarily well they're not highly educated they are highly driven they're all in sales oh sales just that's where the money's at sales is actually super underrated in terms of like oh you have grade 10 and you want to make 200 000 a year sales yeah career and personal planning should probably focus on sales skills. And hold on. Give me one second. I want to finish that thought from before. The point is we tried to do that stream. I managed to fail three times over the course of like four days.

We finally got it done last night. Go check it out. Like calculus. Yeah. Actually, my grade in streaming is slightly higher than calculus, 25%. It's so weird because in this world, in this studio, and in the YouTube world, and this computer world, you're the master of your domain here in this little Linus world we live in.

And it's weird for me to think of Linus looking at a piece of paper and just being like, I don't get it. I don't know what to do. I'm failing. I was so frustrated. Forget it. I give up. I can't think about this right now I'm just gonna go play Counter-Strike that was that was and she

was like well you should you should just give up you should drop out it was less that it was more that I was sinking worse and worse into depression and clearly what I was doing with the painting business and school where nothing was a success was not helping. And this actually segues so perfectly into our talk about how important sales is. Because all of a sudden I had this opportunity to take this job at the computer store that was not a ton of money.

But because there was a commission, there was the potential to kind of scale it. And I was really passionate about it. Like I got a job at NCIX because I was that kid on their forum that was constantly already a salesman and an ethical one. Like I wasn't about people just buying more. I wasn't even on commission. I wasn't even people just buying more i wasn't i wasn't even on commission i didn't even i wasn't even on the company payroll i was just hanging out on their forum because the ncix forum was quite frankly the shiz back in like the mid 2000s it was awesome it was super active great community there fantastic people can't say enough um cam you know who you are you're awesome

anyway you're cam you're cam um but uh but anyway so i was already this kid hanging out on their forum basically doing the sales job which is advising people of what the right thing to buy is and helping them pick it and and making them making that relationship to ncix make it more likely that they probably buy it from ncix so even though they thought i was too young and they were looking for full-time people and I was only available part-time, they made this kind of weird exception for me and I started my job there. And it's amazing how much of life is sales and how applicable the sales skills that I kind of gained just by being an enthusiast and

getting a job where my whole job was just to talk about my passion all day. It's amazing how that is actually a big part of how I was able to end up where I am today. And I'll preach sales training and sales skills all day to anyone who will listen because if you think about it, what in life is not sales? Engineering. Yes, but I would make the argument that without sales, There's always aspects, right? the engineers are probably in trouble.

You got to make your pitch. You got to make your pitch. To get the funding to build the thing. Sure. Get the project approved. Sure. There's sales and engineering. Come on.

Well, I mean, sales. YouTube chat. Give me something here. It's synonymous with communication. When you're going to be abstracted like that. Yes. So, and everything's communication. Finding a partner in life.

Sales. You've got to sell them on what's. Have I got a deal for you what's good about you you know why why they should care why they should go on that first date that's sales sales is all about persuasive communication and calling it sales I think is sort of unfair it's just that that's usually the word at the end of whatever job title it is, or associate or whatever. It's like the whole secretary receptionist thing, you know,

garbageman, waste management, you know, technician, whatever. If we're being honest with ourselves, it's sales. But I think that also isn't really fair to the complexity of that position because it's all about building relationships and getting to know people. And if you are genuinely good at it, actually caring, actually building real relationships that still exist beyond cutting the PO and making the payment transactional, that's not real sales. And I think that's where a lot of sales training sucks. Well, actually sales has changed in the last couple of decades because there used to be an information disparity between the customer and the salesperson where you walked in to buy a car, you were dependent on the salesperson to tell you everything about the car because you had no way

of finding that stuff out by yourself. Now we have the internet, everyone has access to information, you walk in the store knowing more about the thing you want to buy than the salesperson does. So where in the past, extroverts, they really thrived as salespeople before, now it's more of kind of you need to be in the middle of that spectrum so that you can listen to what the person already knows and what they want and then just help kind of funnel them

in the Plinko game to the best solution. Mathematics research, Linus. isn't what they want and then just help kind of funnel them in plinko game to the best solution mathematics research linus even then like you probably have to apply for like research grants and stuff you have to you have to get a job and like get tenure at a university or something before anyone's going to actually pay you to do mathematics research i don't know yeah it's a little it's a little tenuous because what you're talking about is true but it might be like two percent of their actual day-to-day job. Yes, that's true. Plus, they're going to get the tenure after publishing a bunch. Fair enough.

Fair enough. People haven't really come up with anything yet. Are we going to do news today? Are we going to roll the intro? Sure, let's roll the intro. No promises on the news, though. Oops. Oh, crap.

Okay. Crap. There we go. Yeah. Crap. Fuck. Stop. Oh crap, there we go. Yeah! Red book style! M-O-S Moss, Moss-O, Moss-O-ganizer.

Dang it, James. Take this face out. Moss-O-ganizer. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. I don't want James to be upset. So we will do one tech news topic today. The one that upsets me the most. The one that upsets not just you, both of us the most. Oh, crap.

Well, that's my document. I mean, I guess I kind of spoiled it without actually going to the bizjournals.com. Jibo is dead. No! No, anyone but Jibo! Not Jibo!

He was an innocent. He was pure of heart. I don't know how pure he was with all that twerking that was going on. He's not Jibo. This was Jibo. Rest in peace, Jibo. Okay, I know that half of you are going to get banned from the chat for it,

but can we all please just press F to pay respects to Jibo, please? Poor Jibo, please. The poor Jibo. And this is about what it looks like to me whenever other YouTubers do apology videos. They're so bad. They're so fake. Yeah, so Jibo as a company doesn't exist anymore. I never apologize for anything,

because I know you guys are too smart for that kind of crap. Actually, I apologize. You should apologize for pandering. Who do I pander to? Okay. No, I'm serious. No, no, no. We'll do the news later.

Just now. Who do I pander to? When you just said, you guys are too smart. Well, they are. I think our audience is genuine. Okay, tell you what. I have an exercise for you. Set aside 20 minutes, okay?

Spend 10 minutes clicking on random LTT videos and reading like the top 10 comments and just kind of going through. Then log out of YouTube and like fire up a VPN or something so that it doesn't know who you are and just start clicking on like top videos on YouTube and reading the top 10 comments on each of them.

Come back and tell me our audience isn't a little smarter. Okay, you're right. This is objective, okay? This is not pandering. This is just actual fact. Anyway, tell me about Jibo. What happened to Jibo? Oh, man.

Okay, well, let's just go through the points here. Just a year after Jibo landed on the cover of Time magazine. Let that sink in. That was a whole other... This is a whole other rant that I have. A whole other problem. Like, Time officially... Is a rag.

They made a listicle of their, like, 10 most innovative tech products of the year. They didn't even try it, obviously. Not only did they not try it, they didn't even read a review or watch a video because everyone was unanimous. It was so bad. It was just so useless.

Sorry. Yeah, Jibo sucked. Okay, anyway, there's parts that were good. Just a year after Jibo landed on the cover of Time magazine, the company has closed down for good. Jibo apparently sold its intellectual property assets to New York-based SQN Venture Partners, who apparently are like the vultures of the venture world.

And evidence of Jibo's decline has been accumulating for months including a round of layoffs in june an empty office space in july these are these are these are these are evidence these are flags these are red flags the blog hasn't been updated since may there's no longer an option to buy jibo on the website although the website is still operational okay is it really? Okay, I'm going to fire that up now. Go ahead. Carry on. Founded in 2012, I believe by a...

was it an MIT professor who studied social robotics? Yeah, something to do with robotic movement as well. Her last name was similar to the word Brazil. Anyway, founded in 2012, the company raised more than $3.5 million during a 2014 Indiegogo campaign.

Didn't you? I backed it. You backed it. I have the shirt. You know what? Hold on a second. Go get that shirt. I'm going to go get that shirt.

All right, he's gone. And it went on to collect about $70 million in institutional venture capital. Who invests in this kind of thing? You, literally you did. Well, I don't think, no, I mean the venture capital. Who invests in this kind of thing? You, literally you did. Well, I don't think, no, I mean the venture, okay, I mean the venture capitalists.

Are they that, like, do they just have nothing better to spend money on? I'm gonna go get the shirt after. The thing is, it was 2012. Do you know what we could do with $70 million? Nobody has ever offered us $70 million. You can't even pass calculus. But we could hire people.

But we have more revenue than Jibo. Boom. I actually don't know that. They actually seem to have sold a fair number of these stupid things. And they're like $700. I don't actually know that. They're more than that. It was 2012, though, so it's a little different.

Because anyone can see today. That was even less realistic. You backed. He's yelling, saying, who backed it? It was 2012, though, so it's a little different because anyone can see today. That was even less realistic. You backed. He's yelling, saying, like, who backed it? It was unrealistic. But he backed it. I mean, in 2011 or 2012. No one can hear you.

It was for students. Silence. It made no sense. But the thing that you didn't know in 2012 was that there was going to be inexpensive, fairly intelligent virtual assistants in every home. Yes, we did. Siri already existed. Linus is saying that Siri already existed.

True. True. We knew this was coming. We thought Apple was going to be. Stop. No one can hear you. I'm coming back. Stop yelling at me.

I can't find the. I'm not yelling at you. I'm yelling to you. You're yelling needlessly. So here's the thing. We didn't know that Amazon was going to win or anything like that. But we knew that inexpensive digital assistants were coming because they already existed. Siri already existed.

What were the odds that this weird robot that doesn't move, like, like the demos made no sense. Like, oh, Jibo will take a picture for you. Right. I'm going to go get this thing, plug it in and position it. Why don't I just go get a camera at that point? Why? There's just no reason for anything that it was in the... It just made no sense. I backed Jibo because I knew that if it was ever delivered, it was going to be

a dumpster fire, and I wanted to be the first one in on the action. That's why I backed Jibo. I would say you burnt your eyebrows right off. The thing that sucked about Jibo in the end, though, was that by the time... Yeah, I think there's a crux of it.

By the time it arrived, it did have, I think, fantastic... What would you call that? Animatronics? The way that it moves, the way that it dances was super... It was like looking at a Pixar character in front of you. It's super awesome.

That's true. And the way they did that with just the three, four sections, four segments of the body, really cool. It was really elegant. And the thing that sucked was the onboard computation, the AI. And by the time it arrived in 2017, that had been figured out

by Google and Amazon and maybe even Siri. To a lesser degree, Apple. If they had just plugged in, like if it was just Jibo operated by the Google Assistant, it would be way better. It still wouldn't have been enough at that price point. It still would have had to have been $300 or $400. It would have had to be a decent music speaker at $399

with like, oh man, what else would it have had to do? An OLED screen because that really ruined it. If you look at this, can else would it have had to do? An OLED screen. Yeah, OLED screen. Because that really ruined it. If you look at the, can you put up that under the screen? All the pictures that you see are like that, where it's like, wow, it's this pure black screen with just an eyeball that moves around and has all this emotion.

But when you actually had it in front of you, you could see the LCD screen. It was like light gray instead of a black against the background. And it made, people thought that it was a big, uh, they thought that it looked like a big mouth. They thought the square screen looked like a mouth and that its eyes were like, yeah, the time, the time picture you can see. So you can see, see those circles at the top. Those are the cameras. And people thought that those looked like eyes and that the big square was a giant mouth and it looked like that big I'm a charge my laser bar

so OLED screen necessary we actually talked to them about that at CES and they said that they just couldn't buy the OLED screens because they couldn't meet the minimum order quantities they had to buy such a volume of them and they weren't making enough g-bows to justify it well it's a good thing they didn't push for that, that minimum order quantity because they would have had a lot more gibos that they wouldn't know what to do with at that point. I, uh, I tell you, man, the amount of venture capital money that just gets thrown at stuff that

obviously isn't going to work. Yeah. It's just mind-blowing to me because that money is just gone. It's just gone. It's not just gone. It is just gone. No, no, no, no, no, no. A lot of it was paid to the employees.

They worked on it since 2012. Those people put it back into the economy. All right, all right. Okay, it's not gone. But if you wanted to just contribute to putting money back in the economy, why don't you just donate to a homeless shelter or two? Obviously, there are better ways to just put money back into the economy

than creating a weird plastic AI landfill filler. Well, that is sad. Imagine just making a mass market product and all the environmental damage part of that, and then they're just in a heap, like, getting liquidated. Nobody cares. Yeah, like, ET for Atari or whatever, just, like, literally bury them.

Yeah, that's brutal. One thing that I feel really weird about with this one is that I've never before felt such a visceral connection to free market capitalism. Like this thing failed for lots of good reasons, but in a way we, we definitely played a role in it failing because, well, they made it, they made it suck. It arrived at our desk. We told the whole world that it sucked. We weren't the only ones who said it, but we're a very visible channel. And so in our own small way, we contributed to these people not having jobs anymore. And that's kind of crazy. I feel like part of me feels bad, but then I'm just like, well, I'm just like cog in the wheel of evolution and free market capitalism.

Sink or swim. You guys should have done a better job and I wouldn't have had to do this to you. Sink or swim. You guys should have done a better job and I wouldn't have had to do this to you. That's an interesting take on it. You know, it's funny. I don't normally think of myself as having a... This is weird. Like playing a role? Yeah, as sort of playing a role in people not having a job anymore. But that is an interesting take on it. I guess maybe I should feel

bad because I'm sure there were very smart people, very intelligent people who worked at Jibo. No question. No question. But like, I look at it and I go, this was so obvious to me that this wasn't going anywhere. Like, why didn't you get out? i feel bad because yes i guess we contributed to the downfall though to be clear in this case i don't feel that bad because i don't think we played that large of a role but like couldn't you tell you know well i mean a lot for a lot of people it's just the job like they know it's not going to be an awesome product but they're getting they're fleshing out their Right, but here's the thing.

I quit my job when it was clear to me that the trajectory of the company was not competitive. And the thing is that it's easy. A lot of the time people say, well, it's easy for you to say you had an opportunity to go and do something else. And it's like, right. have been obvious to anybody who worked there that this company was not profitable and not hitting key milestones. So investor money was going to run out. What do you think is going to happen? So when you can see that the foundation is rotten and the trajectory is bad, why not go now rather than later when everyone, all your other colleagues are trying to find work too? Well, because the part that you're working on might be good. Like the person who did the animatronics, his or her resume is still awesome at the end of it.

They'll probably find a job. And there's lots of things. Like I made all the APIs that connected to iHeartRadio or whatever. When you compartmentalize it, they maybe still are proud of the work that they did. Yeah, but here's the thing. You had a pretty long runway here. You could kind of wrap up your current project, get the resumes out there, you know, like. Well, it's a startup. So maybe they had vested shares, like a lot of their pay structure could have been staying there.

Yeah, that could be true. See, OK, that's something I didn't really consider. Like when I think about employee retention, you know, I really think about making sure that I maintain and making sure that everybody who works here knows that we are maintaining very strong, like foundational strength for the business. Like Linus Media Group is built upon rock,

not upon wood that is eaten by carpenter antsestone it's talk it's granite that's number one on the most hardness scale hardness scale it's granite you know the hardness scale yes i know most scale of hardness what's 10 then i don't is it diamond yeah well what what's the only thing i can cut a diamond though more diamond yeah ow rip headphone users yeah grade three facts i don't even think that's grade three facts it's more like grade nine facts most hardness scale is grade eight but like the whole like what can cut a diamond that's young that's kid stuff okay all right all right all right all right all right anyway i just i feel bad but i also feel bad in the same way that like i feel bad for some of my colleagues who were left over at ncix like i feel bad but i also feel bad in the same way that like i feel bad for some of my colleagues

who were left over at ncix like i feel bad this sucks but like some of them and this is this is the funniest thing about it sort of some of them i had conversations with like hey it's been another year you're still there what gives i'm like yeah you know it's good for me i'm like right but like this clearly isn't sustainable why are you still there you know like it's i'd rather i'd rather be the rat that abandoned the ship than like the one that goes down with it personally. And I think. You sound more like you were the rat that was like. I'm going to get into this container. And get shipped off of the ship.

Before it hits an iceberg. And then all the other people still work. They're like the rats scurrying away from the water in Titanic. You know when they're trapped at the bottom. Those cages. The Irish people. I am proud to say. I have not watched that movie.

Since it's theatrical release. I do not remember. Hmm. and you would have been wait 11 years old yeah what 94 was it 94 no it's 96 later than that i was in the third grade i believe this is this is an important like event in your life like you remember titanic 97 97 okay guessing yeah so I would have been 11 in 97 yeah 1997 okay I'm pretty good at that it's one of my like pet superpowers okay guessing dates years that I've lived through of things you got a good one for me here um no it's a bad superpower it's rarely useful and even when it's useful all i get is little brownie points for myself date guessing man exactly he's no fun at parties

what year was 9-11 2001 okay so that's easy i know because that was like wait i'm so stupid i tried that was supposed to be a joke where the answer was built into the question no but none of those two numbers even have to do with the year yeah no that was like that was one of the most surreal moments of my life so living on the west coast um like everything that went down was very much in progress. Um, when my, my radio alarm, like when you woke up when, so my alarm clock was tuned into news radio because I found that that woke me up better than music. Someone like talking at me and the way they were talking at me that morning, I thought I was still dreaming. I was sure I was still dreaming. I was like, this is the weirdest dream. Holy shit. Now you said a a swear word i've never said a swear word in my life um look in the in the 2018

yeah so so the so the so it was like going off next to me and i was just like i just kind of lied in bed i was like is this real like head it's like is this real like yeah yeah i'm awake um and like school all school all that day so like i remember my grade nine science teacher was just he didn't really even say they wheel the tv into your classroom um yeah he he didn't because the science class always had their own tv right so he uh so he didn't really say we weren't going to do class that day but he had the tv on and loud so that like he could hear and like we didn't have class that day yeah yeah it was it was it was bizarre anyway um we could do we could do another there's no way to nicely uh segue out of that so let's just do sponsors. Yeah, let's do our sponsors. So the first one we've got is...

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from fresh books i don't know they seem pretty chill someone came up to me at ltx and was like do fresh books really yeah all right a chinese scientist claims to have created the first designer babies. Basically, this was posted by Captain to Fire on the forum and it's like kind of hard to cover this because the actual information is a little bit spotty. So he claims that he's created two twin girls that are resistant to hiv virus through some kind of mutation that is more common in europe people of european ancestry who are survivors of like the bubonic plague or something like that like it has to do with some resistance

that was built in europe but that wasn't built over in Asia. Now, pretty much everyone is mad. The university that he was currently on unpaid leave from, the scientific community at large, the tech community at large, and the university was unaware of the project and its nature, and is calling on international experts to form an independent committee to probe the matter. Like, people be mad. Is there anything else to kind of say about this? Well, we can talk about what actually allegedly happened.

So the best way to get acquainted, I thought, a good starting point is actually look at a YouTube video that the doctor, whose last name is He, which is actually kind of confusing, but he uploaded this video and he gives his perspective on the whole thing. He doesn't call them designer babies. He thinks that this is totally ethical and moral. And I think he makes a compelling case for that here. And he explains the process, which is this is fertilization by IVF. And he explains the process, which is this is fertilization by IVF.

And so what they did was they inject the father's sperm into the mother's eggs. And shortly after that, they inject some proteins and they carry out the gene surgery using CRISPR technology, which I understand that there's enzymes are programmed to look for particular patterns in DNA. And when they find them, they just snip that out and only that. So what they did was they, they sequenced, um, they did a whole genome sequencing on the, I guess the cells on the, on the babies before doing the genome surgery and after. And the reason they did that is then they can compare to see if any genes were affected that weren't intended to be affected. And according to this person's, the doctor's statement, the scientist does say that they didn't alter anything that they didn't intend to alter.

So it was a success in that regard. So if it's all true that these children are alive now, they've been born, and they will be the first living people who have had their genes edited if it's true dang crazy so it's going to be an interesting uh it's going to be an interesting couple of decades where do you use i see you scrolling over to other topics but where do you sit on that i'm like oh wow that is a pretty big question isn't it, isn't it? I am far more comfortable with cybernetic improvements to humans than I am with genetic improvements to humans. I think we open ourselves up to a lot of potential problems. I mean, even this one already has problems. Like, I believe West Nile virus is more likely to infect these little girls.

Ooh, that's hairy. So you're gaining resistance to one disease, but you're actually losing some of your resistance to another. And of course they're not consenting to that. And of course they are not consenting to that. That's a whole separate issue. I'm sort of talking 10,000 foot view right now. What does it mean to humanity?

Now, as long as it takes place on a relatively limited scale, I doubt that we're opening ourselves up to mass extinction through having, you know, edited all of our own genes, like of an entire, if we edited an entire generation's genes, and then all of a sudden something came along, we made ourselves weak against it and piff humanity is dead um like i i feel like that kind of thing is very very unlikely um most of my discomfort like so right so in small doses i actually don't see it necessarily being a huge problem the issue is that yeah i broke it already the issue is that it opens itself up to all kinds of misuse and I don't have a ton of inherent trust for people. There is nothing that I have seen in my life that would lead me to believe that people as a whole will take some kind of technology and use it only or even primarily for good.

Are you, if you take a step back, and let's say everything was executed perfectly, and maybe we're not even considering the fact that the alterations are inheritable by that organism's next of kin, if you just answer the question, is it okay to remove conditions that are just objectively harmful to to someone like take away take away the muddying of the fact that this may have increased their likelihood to contract a different disease so i have to ignore that we might not know what the hell we're doing yeah like let's just say in a vacuum, it's like this procedure is guaranteed to only remove something harmful.

I guess your slippery slope arguments still remain. It sure does. That's the thing about a slippery slope is it starts really high up and you actually don't know that it was a problem until you're face down in the mud at the bottom. So, yeah, right. So like I said, I am far more comfortable with cybernetic upgrades than I am with actually making changes at a genetic level. Does that apply even if those cybernetic upgrades are happening to an infant? Like the baby's born and you put an implant. We already have that. It's called a cochlear implant.

You can use it to restore hearing to an infant that was born profoundly deaf. So we have that. Now, the funny thing about that is you might think as a hearing person, as someone who was born without what at least some people would describe as a disability. You might think, well, this is so obvious. If they couldn't hear and now they can hear, then that's great. Cochlear implants for all. But there are actually people out there who feel like they've kind of had their identity robbed from them because a cochlear implant does not make you

hear as well as a hearing person. In the installation of a cochlear implant they have to remove, and this might be outdated knowledge, but as far as I know, they have to remove everything that was left of any hearing capability that you had before they performed the operation, making you sort of not whole as a person, depending on how you kind of define that. And so they can end up feeling kind of robbed of a community because if they hadn't had it, they would have kind of robbed of a community because if they hadn't had it, they would have been part of the deaf community versus if they just hadn't been born deaf, then they would have been part of the hearing community, but they're kind of in this weird limbo. And you could make objective arguments all day for why their position is wrong, but it doesn't ultimately

matter because if we remove the emotional component of being human, then why even bother? Wow. I have a perfect emotional segue for that. We've got a hundred dollar super chat over here we should read out. Oh, really? Wow, who does that? Thank you in advance. Hey, thanks for the everything during my job. I hope you remember me shoe 125 probably not lol still never got floatplane working uh thanks for the everything during my is this a person from the ncx for during my job i don't know or someone just watches ltd at work i don't know um jules asked how was the cake i actually didn't get any asked, how was the cake? I actually didn't get any.

I did. How was the cake? Very tall. It was like, how wide do I have to make this piece to get a regular amount of cake here? And I was like, oh, I'm just going to go regular width. And it's like. Was it yummy? It was like an almond style cake, right?

Almond or something? Isn't that marzipan? I don't know. Was it good? Yeah. There's lots of custard in it, which I'm all about many layers it was like i had this tiger wait did i take a photo of this whatever it was good thanks for the cake uh make hell says make a computer that is made from chip to chip transistor and resistors from scratch that equals something from 1995

i think alex is actually working on a diy cpu the moment. By the way, hi, Scott. No, it's like there's like a guide you can follow. Like he doesn't have to invent it or anything. So yeah, we have Rick from Rick and Morty working on it. Oh yeah, he's just over there making a flux capacitor defibrillator. Wait, what? Space time defibrillator? When you're time traveling and someone's under cardiac arrest.

All right. One more topic. The most important one of this week. That's what you're picking? Starbucks. Starbucks says it's going to block porn on its public Wi-Fi next year. So if you want to jerk it in Starbucks, you're going to have to do it sometime between now and December 31st.

Hey, you don't have to... I vote for Christmas Day because it'll probably be pretty empty. Yeah, there's not really much else to say about that. There's a little bit, actually. They're late to the party. There's some people who are actually kind of mad because Starbucks took up to two years longer than other

chains like Subway and Chick-fil-A and McDonald's who have already implemented this. And there's actually a petition that circulated that got 26,000 signatures that was circulated by an organization who fights with this kind of stuff. And they have some pretty compelling arguments of why this should happen sooner. So they say that it helps teens and underage people, like when they don't have these filters at starbucks these kids can go to these public wi-fi places and and watch stuff that they otherwise

couldn't watch at home under their home wi-fi and that also applies to sex offenders who by law can't visit certain sites right but apparently they can when they go to these public spaces. Actually, there is one more topic. YouTube is bringing down the paywall on their YouTube Originals. Apparently, they have determined that the ad-supported model that has sustained YouTube basically since its acquisition by Google anyway is the way to go. So YouTube Originals are still getting funded, but they will become free and ad-supported

rather than only being available to YouTube Premium members. Personally, I think this is a good move. I mean, for my part anyway, YouTube Premium is already a compelling enough value ad, or a compelling enough value just based on that I don't have to watch ads. And I don't even watch much YouTube. Half the time I'm blocking the ad on my own video with my stupid premium membership.

The fact that YouTube or Google Play Music is included, it's already a great value. I don't really understand why we need these originals, like original series. But what this will probably mean is that YouTube is going to be cutting back the kind of funding that they had put aside for YouTube originals like it seems to me that they've just done some re-kajiggering of the math on the back end for how this YouTube premium money is getting distributed

and they've gone well we're spending a lot on these originals but they don't seem to be actually driving subscriptions so what if we just kind of cut that entire part of the equation and like we can still do YouTube originals and that's like cool, but let's just make it accessible to everyone and then maybe it'll get a lot more views and then like maybe people will care more about it and we can go like mainstream with this whole thing and then there's like merch and licensing

and like other platforms that we can license it to and like they could take a more conventional approach to high production value content. And that's that's right because even though it was a ton of money hundreds of millions of dollars that's still a drop in the bucket compared to the tens of billions that other services like netflix and amazon prime and hulu are spending so and no offense to ourselves and other youtubers but like quite frankly i would i would pick you know the actual experienced

hollywood production people that netflix works with over like youtubers for these kinds of well the thing is you lose the spirit of what you like about the youtuber like i love v sauce i didn't michael if you're watching i didn't really care for mind frame that i watched and the reason even though the concepts are cool is because it's no longer Vsauce. Because the cool thing you like about Vsauce is Michael's cool entrance and it's just one camera and he sets it up in a weird location in his house in a weird way.

And then suddenly I just feel like I'm watching Discovery Channel or something with these epic sweeps on booms. And it's like, it doesn't have the same character. So this is going to start, it's actually starting in 2019, but it doesn't have the same character no so this is gonna start uh it's actually starting in 2019 but it won't fully affect all originals until 2020 there's probably some contract stuff going on there so some of the originals will be free to watch with ads soon and others you'll have to wait a little while speaking of things that you'll have to wait a

little while for the wan show you're you're fixed next week because we are done for the day. It's, ah, wow. It is 20 after 6. We are super done for the day. We will see you again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Bye! Bye! in chat it's like hey it's Vsauce Michael here