The WAN Show - Just Say No To Lawsuit - WAN Show January 12, 2024

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

Check out Wicked Cushions at: AMAZON: https://lmg.gg/WickedCushionsAmazon WC WEBSITE: https://wickedcushions.com/LTT Timestamps (Courtesy of NoKi1119): 0:00 Chapters 1:15 Intro 1:56 Topic #1 - OpenAI responds to NYT's lawsuit, states it's "meritless" 5:04 Linus ironically suggests using ChatGPT for defense, Luke does it 5:46 Linus on LMG's CES videos, discusses Intel's Thunderbolt 5, WiFi 7, AI booths 10:21 Luke mentions some of ChatGPT's defenses for OpenAI's case 11:48 Topic #2 - Covering CES 2024 17:32 Plaud Note AI, who needs this? Luke on external devices & sensitive information 23:42 Urtopia's AI powered e-bike, Luke on hallucinations & AI integration 34:55 Nvidia G-SYNC Pulsar, motion clarity, Plouffe's monitor, display size 40:25 MSI MEG 321URX, AI-powered QR-OLED monitor, cheating using the mini-map 46:07 TARKOV's 11K ban wave, cheats & barrier of entry, Linus's basement LAN 50:38 Hisense 110" TV, double the peak brightness & dimming zones 51:35 Merch Messages #1 1:03:35 The thinness, resolution, brightness & bezel war, Luke on Linus's TV 1:13:49 AMD AM4 X3D & G series, Linus recommends used GPUs over entry cards 1:18:37 Nvidia's RTX Super series, upselling behavior 1:23:14 Topic #3 - SAG-AFTRA's agreement for AI digital voice, Steam on AI games 1:25:05 Linus declines covering Nvidia's virtual bar, many companies lay offs 1:32:41 Sponsor - Wicked Cushions 1:37:42 Merch Messages #2 1:40:22 Can you talk a bit more about displays? ABL's necessity? Draw & heat? 1:45:20 Using RFID name tags in the consumer space? ft. Biochip, the Bible 1:50:09 Topic #4 - eBay pays $3M over employees cyberstalking & harassment lawsuit 1:57:22 Quebec cops warn posting porch pirate videos “invades their privacy” 1:58:13 LTTStore's new lounge pants, sizing guides 2:00:05 Last call to get the LTT CES 2024 T-shirt, hoodies stock deal 2:03:12 Topic #5 - Wacom & Wizard of the Coast apologizes over AI promotional images 2:08:49 Other companies lay offs, Linus on low money flow & interest rates ft. LayoffsFYI 2:13:04 Topic #7 - Valve takes down Portal64 & TF2 Source 2 2:14:29 Topic #8 - Video games are no longer the biggest entertainment medium in the UK 2:16:59 Topic #9 - Framework discloses data breach due to getting phished 2:24:24 Topic #10 - LG's smart washing machine uses 36GB of data per day 2:26:07 Merch Messages #3 2:29:19 Linus's racket specs, how do you get high-end rackets in Canada? 2:30:39 Origin PC's envelopes, PPI MicroOLED VR display technology, LMG Southie's comment 2:35:43 If you could make or repeal laws, what would you do? 2:37:19 Advice to juggle being a father, a husband & working? 2:38:51 Favorite piece of tech that was ahead of its time & held that feeling? 2:39:35 What is MAC Address's value with covering Apple? ft. Infants tech advices 2:42:26 Would Linus host classes or content on guidelines learnt from workflow? 2:44:45 Is it difficult to deal with people coming to you at events like CES? 2:49:29 Advice for not enjoying engineering for companies' profits? 2:53:49 Have companies ever responded to Linus chastising them? 2:56:12 Luke's thoughts on EoD being removed & his current stance on TARKOV? 3:00:10 How much has Luke's experience with Pixel 8 reflected on Linus's review? 3:01:04 Thoughts on the current state of the internet where 5 main sites are accessed? 3:02:55 Was Linus aware of Halo's mouse aim assist? Is this good for FPS' future? 3:03:28 Do you think Thunderbolt 5 is the push Intel GPUs needed? 3:04:23 Was Linus's purchase of the TCL TV the only time he got buyer's remorse? 3:05:50 Have you enjoyed tech for what it is instead of how to script a video around it? 3:06:51 Wishes you had for your loved ones? Long term goals? How do you stay organized? 3:10:32 One non-tech skill you're proud of having or wished you had? 3:17:04 Does Luke think there's a benefit in ITIL certification? 3:18:25 Who gave the best tech advice you weren't expecting? 3:20:58 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN show! Had a great CES this year, saw a lot of cool stuff. I'm back! I flew back. I was supposed to be back at midnight, instead I was back at 2.30 in the morning. So I, um, pretty tired, but had a great show, ready to talk to you guys about all the cool stuff we saw. Also, wow, what is this? Ah, crap, there was a topic that I wanted to do. Oh, yes, OpenAI rejects the New York Times lawsuit that we talked about last week. Says that copyrighted material is necessary to LLMs, therefore we had to use it.

Yeah, that's going to be our headline topic today. We'll have a little bit of discussion about that. What else we got, Luke? Video games are no longer the biggest entertainment medium In Britain Really? Womp womp for all of us Really to be completely honest

So yep Also Valve cracks down on fan projects Those are what you picked What else would I pick? I wouldn't have guessed I was thinking maybe the Oh the eBay one's bizarre What even is that one?

Oh it's bizarre like eBay People like harassed people Like mailed them animals and stuff Because yeah no it's a whole thing They settled like it's a thing Yeah we'll talk about that They settled the show is brought to you today by wicked cushions check out wicked cushions at the link down below or check them out on your face.

Well, your face. My face. Yeah. Dan. Dan got some too, but he doesn't get to have them yet. You don't get to check out my face. Yeah, we'll do the sponsor read later, and then we'll give him his. Why don't we jump right into our first topic today, which is OpenAI's defense against the New York Times lawsuit.

They publicly called the copyright claim against them meritless and disappointing. Yes. Chat GPT to produce verbatim sections of their copyrighted text that it was trained on would have been by manipulating the prompts with the specific intent to get that kind of result. What meanies. Yeah. What mean people. Impossible to create a useful LLM without some amount of copyrighted material, because most forms of human expression are either copyrighted or extremely old. So, Your Honor, I did... Therefore, merrily so.

And also disappointing. I didn't do anything wrong, because... I had to do it. I had to do it. I had to do it. Yeah. If I hadn't done it, otherwise how would I have built this business and made all this money? If I didn't steal the plutonium, I couldn't have made the bomb. Right.

So now we've got the bomb. And what? You want me to apologize for taking the plutonium? That's meritless. I mean... I'm sorry. I kind of i kind of okay i set this up as the headline topic and i made it like the title of the stream and everything because i was kind of thinking we'd be able to riff on this for a while but it really does seem kind of open and shut doesn't it uh

your honor um you know given that the desired result was for him to be dead, I'm afraid there was simply no way to do that without killing him. Therefore, this murder trial is both meritless and, if I could speak frankly, disappointing. And we know, guys, we know that them saying meritless and disappointing, we're at different points in time, whatever, we're... Yes, it doesn't matter. Clearly laughing. The point is that OpenAI clearly has no actual defense whatsoever. Or this is Sam Altman playing 5D chess, coming up with the worst possible argument that he can up front,

coming up with the worst possible argument that he can up front so that the New York Times lawyers will go, all right, well, why don't we knock off for a six-month lunch and we're just going to cruise into the courtroom, say, yo, your honor, they're the bad guys and everything will be fine and we're going to win this thing. Maybe they have some kind of ace up their butt crack that is incredible it's like the ace of nuggets

i was like where is he where is he possibly going with this one well there's certainly no diamonds there i'll tell you that for sure. Oh, man. Oh, boy. They should probably use ChatGPT to come up with a better defense. Oh, no. That would be really interesting. Man, I love that. I'm trying to think of, like, oh, like, I know. Okay.

I, like, you can't possibly charge me with corporate espionage. I mean, if I didn't take the current stuff, everything else is, everything that's not currently under NDA is old. Like, I, come on! I'm going to ask ChatGPT what its legal defense is in this situation and see what it says. Okay, I'm very excited for this. It's going to take me a sec. In the meantime, hey guys, it's really good to be back.

We're going to be talking about a lot of AI stuff that we saw down at CES. We actually only did a handful of LTTs. We did some of those sponsored ones before the show. We've got a couple of ones that I'm really, really happy with. The one from the Intel booth today. If you haven't watched it, go watch it. It's awesome. It talks a little bit about Thunderbolt 5, a little bit about this cool new feature called

Thunderbolt Share. The title for that video is 100% not clickbait. That whole room was under NDA until I went in, checked it out, and I was like, please can we talk about this? And there was a process, and they pretty much got the business unit head in the room with me a couple days later, and I kind of made my case. I kind of went, look, I have this idea in my head for a piece that I want to do on connectivity.

Because, frankly, what am I supposed to do? Talk about Meteor Lake? So let's talk about moving data around really fast, which is something that Intel is really flipping good at. What I want to talk about is Thunderbolt 5. I want to talk about is Thunderbolt 5. I want to talk about Wi-Fi 7, which is anyone else's jaw on the floor over how Wi-Fi 7 snuck up on us? Wi-Fi in general seems to be moving very fast.

Wi-Fi 7 came out of, it feels like, absolutely nowhere. My first real, like, oh, I am very interested in this technology happened when i was on set holding a wi-fi 7 access point and a wi-fi 7 device watching them transfer speeds at speeds in excessive to three gigabit per second i'm sitting here going what the hell are you freaking kidding me a wi a wi-fi upgrade that actually upholds the promises it makes about next-gen performance? This is incredible. So I made my case. Look, I want to talk about moving data around really fast.

And I feel like Thunderbolt Share is really critical. But I need you guys to answer some deeper questions. Because the first time I was in there, even when I wasn't going to be making a video about it yet, I was like, okay, but how? What's the data path? And they're like, we can't tell you any of that. I still had to do a little bit of educated guesswork. So it's early days.

All of the software is in alpha. It's super cool. Go watch the video. But the other really big one that I'm super proud of is we did a video on kind of the evolving situation around connectors on the back motherboard. So, Asus BTF, MSI Project Stealth, I think they call it, and then Gigabyte Project Zero. No, Project Zero. I can't remember.

I think Gigabyte's Project Stealth, MSI's Project Zero. And then there's now an ecosystem that's developing for these products. Corsair has two cases that natively support these rear connector motherboards. And we kind of fleshed it out into a full LTT by tearing down the demo PC in Corsair's booth and then rebuilding it as the video kind of talking about there's one key thing I missed and I feel stupid for not mentioning it in the video now, but how there will be some challenges moving this to 100% adoption, no matter how good it is, no matter how many industry partners

support it. And that's that it adds a bunch of clearance on the back of the motherboard, especially with stiff connectors like front USB 3, especially front USB 3 type C, that just isn't there on budget cases that want to be as narrow as possible in order to save on materials. So that's something I didn't cover. But other than that, it's pretty thorough. That one's going to be really good. And then the other kind of big production that I did on the floor, like not a short circuit, like a full LTT,

was a roundup of, I think we ended up hitting about 10 AI booths. And I'm talking AI duct taped to a bicycle, AI duct taped to a computer mouse. Like what's AI integrated into a monitor? What would an AI monitor be, Luke? I challenge you to tell me because he wasn't at the show this year. So this is all going to be fresh for him because it's not like he pays attention

to tech news or anything. Not really. He's got the WAN show for that. Yeah. I saw The Rabbit, and I do want to talk about that. Yes, we'll definitely talk about The Rabbit. But, I don't know. Like, picture quality profile settings changing dynamically with content?

Yeah, I know. You're not even close. So, we'll talk about that in a bit. All right. In the meantime, I've stalled long enough. Luke, what did ChatGPT suggest for OpenAI's defense? It suggested six different approaches. Wow. Something that I think is actually quite interesting is that one of them actually somewhat lines up with what happened, which is public interest. Argue that the development of ai has significant public interest benefits like advancing technology education and research which might be considered in the context of fair use wow okay what else has it got well it also says fair use doctrine

in general transformative use minimal use minimal use, public interest, no direct copying, and precedent and legal ambiguity. No direct copying says emphasize that the AI model doesn't store or reproduce verbatim copies of the text, but generates new original content based on the patterns learned during training. Okay, so there's some more plausible defenses in there. Yeah. Other than, sorry, Your Honor, we had to do it. Otherwise, how would we have achieved our goal?

Yeah, what do you even mean? Yeah, I mean, some of them are basically that with extra steps, but... I think they more or less all are. But it is what it is. All right, well, yeah, good luck with that, you guys. What do you want to do next? Let's see here okay it is going good uh what other main ones do you want to just jump into ces

i i'd love to yeah let's just do it yeah let's jump right into ces um okay we'll talk about ai things let's let's talk about the Rabbit R1. Yeah. This ended up being a surprise hit. And I've got to say, I am still surprised. Their video has 3.7 million views up in here. What? No, stop. I don't... Stop.

Not right now. Comments turned off. Three-day-old video, 7.4 thousand subscribers, 3.7 million views. 3.7 million views. This launched as a... It was as a Kickstarter, is that right? Or as some kind of

crowdfunded device? I can't remember. No, I don't think it did. I don't think so. No, it didn't. I think it just launched for sale. Basically, it's a $200 palm-sized device co-designed with Teenage Engineering that sold out its first batch of 10,000 units in just 24 hours, and the second batch sold out a day later. And I would forgive you for asking, I'm sorry, what is it exactly? It is part of, this is from our notes, an emerging class of devices that are essentially

dedicated hardware for AI assistance. So the first example that we've talked about on the show of this, which is the Humane AI pin is $700 and seems to be, um, not especially functional. Um, so that's the one that has the little projector so that you can, uh, see a sort of virtual screen on your palm. I mean,

we don't know. Yeah. Does anyone have one yet? The humane pin? Yeah. Not that I'm aware of. I don't think so. Right.

Yeah. So there's another one called the tab that I have to confess. I have never heard of, and I wouldn't have clicked on this headline. That is a stupid headline. To replace God? Superpower Tamagotchi. Also, what is up with these ads?

I can't even see anything. Cool. Anywho, thanks, Fast Company. And then, of course, there's the Rabbit. So the R1 runs Rabbit OS and doesn't have apps. Instead, its large action model, so kind of like large language model. In this case, it's a model of actions.

Uses computer applications like a human does. So the product demo showcases common use cases, like ordering food, but in theory, you can manually train it to do any task by explaining what you're doing as you record your computer screen. That's actually pretty interesting. So theoretically, if you show it how to buy Tide Pods

because you're a hungry millennial, then it would be able to open a web browser, navigate to Amazon or whatever website is good to get. Oh, everyone's pointing out you saw ads. I don't know what they were for. That's pretty good. I know something was in my way. And I think you only saw them because you literally,

yeah, you literally could not see the thing you needed to see if you gave me if you told me i could have a million dollars if i could tell you what those ads were for i would have to give up the million dollars i have absolutely no idea um that's pretty good okay i do occasionally see them but in this case honestly i don't know what you couldn't see the content yeah i have no idea um okay what are we supposed to be talking about right now right right right so you could you could show it how to how to kind of navigate through the cart through the checkout process and place an order for you which um raises some concerns for me i mean giving a device sort of that will hopefully do exactly what i want it to do this kind of access to money to

logged in applications and services to take actions on my behalf definitely gives me a little bit of unease um but assuming that it actually works as well as it should i mean it's basically auto hotkey but with ai if you kind of think about it which raises a question like oh why not just make this an app founder jesse liu explains that a because you get more clout this way it's true and b is not wrong because opening a phone app to make it do things on other apps that you have installed seems kind of awkward. Riley says, hey, Riley added something to the doc. Riley does help with the doc.

I just mean he's got a little commentary thing here. I appreciate the vision of a device that changes what it looks like to do computer phone stuff instead of hunching over a screen, tapping little buttons while ignoring people around you. You just tell your little Tamagotchi pokey decks to do something and it does it it totally could have been an app um but maybe it shouldn't be an app says riley and you can't deny the cool design the last line from riley is a huge part of it for me. Teenage engineering was a part of this. Therefore this killed. I think that's where a lot of this lands. It looks really cool.

It looks super cool. And I think in an era of the most boring rectangles we've ever had, um, with as much touchscreen things as possible, having physical stuff, push to talk mic, flip the camera around thingy, physical device. It's an actual thing that I can have.

I think a lot of people are gravitating towards that. Dbrand apparently has a skin coming because of course they do. On that note, another example of that that was from our AI roundup video that I walked into thinking was stupid and walked out of very close to wanting one was this ai voice recorder so what it does is it just transcribes voice to text and then at the end it or it then it transfers sorry first it records audio then it transfers the audio to your phone

it transcribes it voice to text style then it creates uh like a like an index of the main topics whether it was a meeting or a phone call or a job interview or whatever it was and stores it which is like okay don't you have otter or some other, you know, large language model assisted voice recognition and transcription software for your phone? Isn't there an app for that? But bear with me here. I kind of went, okay, why does this need to exist? And they said, well, a number of reasons. First of all, iphone does not support

call recording why call recording is not supported on the iphone is i don't know because you i guess you know apple things or something i i don't know but it's not and one of the modes that it operates in is specifically designed to tune the microphones for recording calls so having it sitting on the back of your phone it it goes on with megsafe having it sitting on the back of your phone, it goes on with Megsafe. Having it sitting on the back of your phone means you can be on a call. You just hold a button until it buzzes.

You are now recording the call. So in many places, so to those of you freaking out about this, in many places, it is legal with single party consent. So just your own consent to record a call, including here. And there have been, I've got to say, numerous times in my life when having a recording of a phone conversation would have been extremely helpful, either because the other party didn't remember, because the other party misrepresented it,

or because I didn't remember what took place on the call and what everyone had agreed to. It would have been great to be able to go back in time and go, okay, what did actually happen happen where did this miscommunication happen i'm sure we've all been in that spot before you hold it for longer it buzzes twice and the call recording ends uh it'll do i think it was 30 hours is rated so who knows but it's rated for 30 hours of continuous recording and it's like this thin it's like it's it's crazy thin it just kind of sits on the back of your phone and you can put it in like a little wallet like share power with the phone or something uh no no no it just has a little tiny little tiny battery in it and it uses pogo pins to to charge but just with a standard

usb connector um and then there was yeah and i kind of i kind of came away from it going yeah so now i have the ability to not drain my phone's battery with an additional app i don't have to fumble with an app on my phone i can record calls on a phone that doesn't out of the box support call recording and if my phone is dead outright i can still record stuff copy the audio files onto my computer or sync them with my phone later and and i've and i've got it i can still record a meeting or whatever the case may be and you know what it's the kind of thing where not everyone's going to need that but people who do need it just having it that's freaking awesome so i i so yeah i i walked in going well this is silly

this could just be an app and i walked out going yeah the app is like the that's like the crappy version of this you know and those guys that's where that's where i got my wires crossed those guys just raised like millions of dollars on kickstarter so that yeah that's that's interesting so we're all going to external devices i know right what the heck thing was going into the phone and now we're bringing back the talk boy 2024 is the start of things coming out of the phone i mean i guess i think most people are still going to use the consolidated device but i mean do you know how many people i saw walking around the show with point-and-click cameras? Really?

Yeah! And I don't even necessarily mean obvious media, you know, who are holding a little mirrorless or something. Sure, yeah. And a shotgun mic with a dead cat on it or whatever. I'm talking people just, you know, taking pictures. It's actually very nice not being on your phone all the time, even if you're doing things that you would normally do with your phone. 100%.

Because, like, you're taking pictures. You're sitting there, but notifications are popping in, whatever else is happening. You're draining your phone's battery. You're doing all this kind of stuff. I definitely have some concerns about privacy with devices like this. The recorder is powered by ChatGPT. Ah, cool.

So hopefully if you're using one of these, you don't work at a three-letter agency. Honestly, that's a big thing with, I mean, it's been a big thing with LLMs this whole time, but with both the Rabbit and this uh and and i mean theoretically the ai pin and the tab or whatever as well but like okay so i can record actions uh what if i start doing my time sheet with rabbit yeah that's some external device accessing company documentation and inputting something that's like a legal process to a certain degree that affects compensation that is like directly it's actually a huge deal money yeah because you would totally do that look look on his face 100 he's not

even gonna pretend to deny it but on the security, it's like actually too big of a deal. I would love to do that. Yeah. But like, I, no, no. It's like, there's a lot of different Chrome extensions that can help you with like email that can help you with all this other kind of stuff. And then you look through what you have to share with the Chrome extension. It's like, it's a little scary.

Maybe I better just learn to type faster. Maybe no. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think a big one that we should talk about is the bike with chat gpt did you see that headline as well that was the product that inspired the the sort of roundup of silly ai integrated products at ces and believe it not, when I walked out of the booth, I wanted one. Not because I would actually use it.

I'm not actually going to buy one. Man, you getting sold on things at CES that aren't monitors or computers is actually weird. I got sold on this thing hard. It's a bike. Well, it's an e-bike okay with 200 kilometer range wow yeah so this thing you could like commute from the burbs on it yeah like incredible range okay and it's not just a bike with chat GPT bolted to it. It's a bike with an API that can interface with other products that have APIs. And it's not some like vaporware nonsense thing.

This is their second generation and the product fundamentally already exists and is already being used in useful ways so actually speaking of ways uh one of the integrations that they have is with i forget what it's called but this mapping software that's really popular in europe for cyclists okay um because apparently google maps for for cycling is just just trash in europe and there's this other one that everyone uses or something like that. And so Buddy at the booth basically goes, yeah. So right now we support ChatGPT 3.5, I think is what they're on right now. So you basically just press, you hold this button and you say, I am, I'm in city. Is this it? No.

Wait, yes. That looks a lot like the display. Yeah that's it yeah okay but no the models were different that's why i got confused because the models are not cord they're they're something else okay yeah so they're new products uh but yeah yeah that's the company though and so so basically the demo is okay um chat g i'm chat gptT, I'm looking for somewhere to eat. Plot a course to here. And through the API access to ChatGPT, it can handle the language interpretation and voice to text. And then through the API integration with this mapping app, it can set a course.

It can set a course. And through API integration with Apple Health, it can monitor your heart rate off of your Apple Watch and dynamically adjust the motors to help maintain your flipping heart rate as you're going up and down random terrain. So you could stay zone two the whole time? And I'm sitting here looking at this thing going. So this is basically, it has all the control of a stupid stationary peloton stupid thing in your living room, but all the actually being f***ing outside of a bicycle. If you're commuting somewhere, going to get groceries or whatever else, you're like actually doing something.

And all the range of a freaking, you know, moped. This is something I've been interested in with all of these devices. But someone in Philippine chat, Dofo, just said, imagine how it'll hallucinate. Sorry, I can't do that, Dave. His heart rate is really low. Make it work! So, yeah. What's cool about it is just that it has an onboard.

Essentially, it's a smart bike. You know, two years ago, it would have been called smart bike. about it is just that it has an onboard is essentially it's a it's a smart but you know two years ago it would have been called smart bike yeah and three or four years ago it would have been called 5g bike of the future you wonder like and and seven years ago eight years ago it would have been called iot bike yeah you know so to an extent it's just a new name for fundamentally the same idea which is which is a global connectivity right between all of our devices and the services that we use but the ai the chat gpt element of it is kind of what ties it together because realistically biking is not exactly a uh a hands-free use case.

Yeah. So being able to use my voice, kind of important. That's what I was going to kind of ask. Yeah. I've been wondering how a lot of these devices are going to beat the hallucinations. And I'm kind of wondering if this one might be beating it by actually limiting how much the chat GPT side of this is actually even doing. actually limiting how much the chat gpt side of this is actually even doing because like if it's if it's changing how much the motor is helping you based on your heart rate chat gpt doesn't even need to be involved with that at all it wouldn't be at no point that's a completely

separate the way integration thing probably all it's doing is using its voice input if anything um like a lot of it's not it's, it's some other one, whatever it is. Yeah. Whatever mapping integration they have. Um, it's very likely it's not even using chat GPT to do anything with that. Um, so what is it,

what is it actually using chat GPT for, for a voice to text? Essentially. Yeah. Yeah. As far as I can tell, you can also just like ask it questions and interact with it if you want to. Right.

Like you can cycle through different standard yep and I mean people are raising all kinds of great questions okay right Linus but what happens when they brick this thing then you have an e-bike with 200 kilometer range hopefully I mean yeah um or hopefully they open it up or you know something uh and like linus would you really want you know some network to have your freaking heart rate and and where you are and every and all the food you ate and no but a lot of people won't care yeah and for them cool bike bro you're already giving a lot of that information in a lot of these situations which doesn't make it right doesn't make it good but uh yeah yeah but it makes it it kind of is what it is um got another question here from someone in floatplane chat and you're

uh speaking of things linus was sold on getting that doesn't include a monitor uh oh that does okay no i'm not sure where you're going with that. I thought you were asking about the monitor. So we uploaded the short circuit of the product that I was talking about that gave me a bigger gaming advantage than anything I've probably touched in the last 10 or 15 years. And what's that? Um, it's the 360 Hertz OLED gaming monitor. Now look, I, what game are you playing halo infinite you got a 360 fps um not quite 360 but really high okay and you don't it's not necessarily about that it's it's about

the motion clarity of this display i have talked in the past about the limited rate of return as you go from... or the reduced return going from 60 to 120, then from 120 to 240, then from 240 to 360, or even 480 hertz, right? Like, the difference between all those,

it becomes less and less and less and less. But the low persistence, the image clarity, the motion clarity of this display is incredible. Like, dude, I couldn't miss. And this is over two different sessions with the monitor. Because first, I recorded the... So you weren't just like on one day. I recorded the video that was sponsored by Samsung Display on the PanelTek. We uploaded that to LTT during the show. Actually, it did really well.

And it was like, it was your perfect sponsored video. Because Samsung basically went, we have money to market this. We think it's really, really great. So here's our bag of marketing money. We'd like you to thank these Nobel Prize winners for the amazing research and development that they've done to make this technology possible.

Please discuss some of the advancements that we made in our Pico freaking ink jetting process for increasing the pixel density. And otherwise, see you later. So we pretty much just made the video we would have made anyway. Yeah. Including some shout outs that are cool anyways. Included some shoutouts that are cool anyways. And included some shoutouts that were cool anyway. And I got an opportunity to check these things out before I would have gotten a chance to, which I love anyway.

So it was an ultimate kind of win, win, win. And part of that shoot was over two different sessions. So first, while we were doing the shoot, and then after the shoot, I actually got on a little bit as well with no audio. I was sitting there putting together five killstreaks. Then things got really interesting because I was just on the LTT Benchmark account that time,

which is not ranked at all. Right. Right. And I'm not saying that my personal account is super ranked up or anything either but it is ranked like i am it was pretty good at one point yeah yeah it's been a long time though yeah yeah but but it's it's a lot it'll it'll match make me with different people than the ltd benchmark account so during the short circuit i was signed into my account because we

had some issues with our microsoft for LTT Benchmark, or actually it was for, whose was it? I think it was Ploof's. It was Ploof's account because he was the one who was working on the other monitor the previous day or something like that. So I was signed into my own account and same thing, both on camera and off camera. Dude, I just, I couldn't be stopped. And the thing is, you're probably watching that going, man, I've seen, you know, I've seen compilations that are like so much better than this, right? But that's the thing. I'm not that good.

You guys have seen me play video games many times over many years. And it's not about, it's not about just the hurts because you can make a very strong argument for there being a certain number of hertz past which there could not possibly be any perceivable difference to a gamer, because our reaction times are measured in milliseconds. So if the difference between... Mine are getting slower. Yeah, the difference between one monitor and another is two milliseconds or one millisecond or a fraction of a millisecond like you're not gonna you're not gonna notice that right but it's about the constantness

of the input that you're getting and the a better ability to track a moving object which we've talked about before and also said there's a limited return on that continued investment. But that combined with the motion clarity is what really changed the game for me. Because every single frame is a crystal clear image. Now, what's interesting, or further interesting, what's also interesting is that NVIDIA is working on their own approach to solving this that does not involve oled and that they claim it's hard for me to tell because

i didn't have them side by side but but it's really good but they claim gives even better low persistence like even better motion clarity than this 360 hertz oled and that's um shoot i forget what they're calling it, but that's in the short circuit video where we do the world's first unboxing of the 4080 Super. So we get through kind of the Super lineup, and then we move over to their new G-Sync demo, and basically what NVIDIA has figured out,

Pulsar, that's it. What NVIDIA has figured out... Is it called G-Sync Pulsar or NVIDIA Pulsar? What NVIDIA has figured out how to that's it what nvidia has figured out is it called g-sync pulsar or nvidia pulsar what nvidia has figured out how to do is combine variable refresh rate with backlight strobing or essentially what on an oled would have to be like black frame insertion so with backlight strobing to essentially like shine a snapshot of the most clear still of that frame at your eyes, then turn off the backlight while the pixels are all shifting. So this is on an IPS type display.

And so you do get some overshoot artifacting. So I talk in the video about how the character model and the text above their head kind of has a ghost in front at the leading edge, right? Because you're seeing the beginning of that transition oh that's really i wonder if subconsciously if you're going to detect what way things are moving that way but the well that's not new that's not new what's new is just that the the image the main image is super clear and that you can do it with VRR now, which they couldn't before because, I mean, man, like, think about that.

Backlight strobing with variable refresh rate means that you have to drive the pixel change differently according to the different colors it's shifting between because all the transitions are different speeds. Then you have to drive them at different voltages depending on for how long that frame will be displayed, because it could be different from one frame to the next. Like, what? But it looks like they've cracked it.

I do think, personally, just having seen some of those motion artifacts, that I would prefer the OLED approach, even if the motion clarity isn't quite as good. But NVIDIA seems to think that for competitive gaming, their solution is going to be the better one. But, you know, it all remains to be seen. It'll be locked in G-Sync. So you'll have to have... Yeah, you'll have to be on NVIDIA.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. That's the goal. Yeah, that's that's what nvidia is all about make sure you get get get get get get in that ecosystem so i i was i was blown away man samsung display is crushing it right now and that alienware 360 hertz whatever ploof says about the the the bigger 240 hertz one i uh you guys got to do some blind tests well we can't because they're different sizes so we so his his is 4k and uh 32 inches 31 and a half inches or something like that the one that he likes better and 240 hertz and the one i like better is the 1440p 360 hertz 27 inch and there's like there could be a number of reasons that I was finding that one better.

It's obviously going to run at higher frame rates. So I'm going to have less latency from that in addition to the monitor refreshing more frequently. Plouffe's a better gamer than me. Like, it's not close. He's a significantly better gamer than me. So maybe it's one of those things where i need every edge that i can get um i also found that having not gamed on a small monitor like not like really tried you know like it like it just started it just started happening so well i was

like oh yeah like i got kind of into it um and i haven't really done that in a long time like my monitor at home's 38 42 inches or something like that so i haven't used a small monitor in a while and there's a reason that competitive gamers use them you can yeah you can see everything yeah i don't i don't like first of all i actually like 1440p as a resolution for a desktop monitor i don't i genuinely don't think i even want beyond that like i've i've seen the comparison i don't think i care i care more about like panel quality stuff like that in a tv sure yeah whatever but i'm talking monitor um and beyond 27 inches i find starts to become like just unreasonable for gaming um yeah there's other

people in the chat that are you know see again in full plane chat says yeah 27 inch for me is the sweet spot yeah i agree i know ploof plays a lot of more scenic games as well though yeah and when you can be nice for that if you're not talking competitive you're talking if you're talking immersion forget about it and if you're if you're 27 inches like it's like looking out through a submarine portable uh you know at the world compared to you know like a giant ultra wide or something like that and if you're trying to lounge and like get immersed sure 100 percent um but i don't know that's i think that's one of the reasons why i like 27 inches is because it's kind of on the maximum threshold i would say of the competitive side so you get a little bit of both i find of course the

topic we're supposed to be talking about right now is ai things at the show so why don't we talk about the ai monitor what the heck i would like you without looking at chat what's the point sure i would like you to try to get it i genuinely have no idea it has some kind of neural processor in the monitor itself okay i will give you a hint it is nothing to do with image quality yeah that was the only i tried to dive on that um nothing to do with image nothing to do with image quality like change uh inputs by speaking to it that's a cool idea no no not even a little okay um it doesn't have anything to do with controlling the monitor itself now Would you like another hint yeah, okay, it's from MSI

What's a hint what does MSI do Okay, it's from it's from MSI's gaming division. Can you control like afterburner profiles or like launch games? No Can you change RGB profiles? There's an RGB element. Okay. Is it like whatever MSI software thing on your desktop and you can interface with it that way? Really run to notify you so frustrated this is great okay why don't i tell you before before you look before you look at anything why don't i tell you the rgb element and then i'll see if you can guess the rest okay sure okay so um using using their ai processing that is built into the monitor it's not like a like an external soft piece of software you run on your computer

so it's in the monitor is it wait just one sec does this have to be web connected then no i don't think so so it's local i believe so okay that's kind of neat all right okay so so using that um it has like an rgb light bar at the bottom of the monitor that can, that can mirror your health bar in League of Legends. Poor brain is just completely broken. There's just so many things. It's so unnecessary for it to be done this way this isn't the only product that i feel like that about to be very clear um do you just control what

information the light bar is doing through the thing so here's what it does okay it monitors elements on screen yeah and like because there's no there's to my knowledge okay there's no api ability to do that yeah so it monitors a certain thing and so it's yeah you tell it hey look here and if it looks like this or like that or like that change the light bar behavior like whatever so it would be a way for you to have like a flashing notification if you're low on health and and that is honestly could be very easily used for cheating um okay we're getting there all right okay would you like to know what it does what oh i thought we just figured that out oh that's what they a light bar does net for now okay would you like to know what the monitor does what does the monitor do so the demo they had

running see the smile on his face right now it's about to be gone yeah i'm sure the demo they had running was monitoring the mini map area and any anytime an opposing hero approached your viewport it would pop up a circle with an arrow indicating where they were on the screen completely independent

of any software running on your PC so as far as I can tell completely impossible to detect because it's drawn on top of the image coming from yes yeah wow uh i wonder if anti-cheats are gonna have to use like a hardware detection anti-cheats and just ban those screens they don't do much anyways but you can but you can you can spoof the edid of a monitor very easily yeah yeah there's no way that'll help we're gonna have to have flipping a camera you're gonna have to have a dedicated camera it doesn't always solve the

problem like plugged into your computer pointed at your freaking screen and your hands. Doesn't always solve the problem. Well, if it's pointed at your hands and your screen. There's still ways. It's going to be better. Yes. You will be able to, so they're going to have to have their own AI that checks for any motion or any key press

that doesn't correspond to what's happening. There are cheating softwares out there that are designed for when your chat asks you to point a camera at the screen um it has a mode for that yeah but what about the hands too yeah well they they don't they won't be aim hacking at that point in time i don't actually think aim hacking is super popular these days because it's easier to detect than a lot of other i just i think a webcam pointed at your hands and the screen it's gonna going to stop a lot of it. No, I mean continuously.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't mean sometimes. I mean, like, the anti-cheat software is continuously... It's FedVis video feed? Continuously monitoring the video feed. Wow. Yeah. Like, that's...

Sheesh. That's the only solution at this point. It's an actual cheating monitor. That's amazing. Yeah, multiplayer games right now are just plagued, completely plagued with cheaters. Tarkov, because I like talking about Tarkov when it comes to cheaters, because there sure do be a lot of them,

and it's a really brutal game to have them in. They just did a ban wave of 11 000 players and people were responding to the tweet of this band wave with screenshots of like extremely obvious cheating still going on and like there's one where it's like uh the flea market in the game which is like effectively like an auction house or a or a trading post or whatever or a flea market or a flea market. Or a flea market. Yeah, interesting. We definitely needed some alternate names for that. Well, no, no, like I'm saying it works the same way. No, I know.

It's just a continuation of that thing you did last week where you were like, what's a word for whatever? I don't know. Maybe that word you just said. I can't remember what it was. Oh, man. Classic Luke. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you can see people's profiles on there so you can see someone like oh this person's like level 12 and they've sold like billions of rubles worth of stuff like yeah probably not um i don't know it's a a thing. Precedence, yeah. That was it. Anyways. So, yeah, I thought you'd be pretty ticked off. Yeah, that's sick. Yeah, cheating monitors. Especially because that cheating, I think I would wager that cheating has probably been the worst in the first person shooter space. Shooters in general, probably probably i don't know i mean

i think it's pretty bad everywhere in it yeah there's map hacking yeah like top down games like starcraft one like i have like map hacks like if you could just see remove fog of war everything that's like an insane advantage yeah um but i don't i don't think those have been as popular i know uh one of the ways this this actually seemed really smart to me i think this was league of legends i don't remember who it was one of the ways that they helped push against map hacking is the server oh i might say this wrong if you're interested in this look it up because i'm probably going to say some part of how this works wrong but i i'm going to try um the the edge of your fog of war if another player isn't within a certain

distance of it the server will not tell you where they are so you you actually can't map hack the whole way interesting but if they are within map hack a little bit yes and then have a monitor that can check from your mini map then you could get an extra another big one for this for me in my opinion uh yeah rocket league cheating in rocket league yeah there there are ways to cheat in rocket league but i think it's a little bit more blatant um what was i going to say yeah something that's crazy about this is the monitor notification could probably linger so if someone just like barely comes on screen for a second and you know you're playing so you're not staring at the mini-map 100 of the time you might not have

seen it the monitor notifications can be bigger and could probably persist for more than that like one second so yeah i don't know that's rough so cheating has been around since the beginning but i strongly believe it's worse now than it ever has been my reasoning for that um is the barrier of entry is zero right now the barrier of entry right now is a credit card that's it you don't need to know anything back in the day you kind of needed to know what you were doing you kind of you had to work to find them now there's like ads on youtube. Like it's, it's crazy. Now it's blasted in front of your face constantly.

There's no barrier of entry at all. You just have to pay for it. It's, it's never been easier to just get another copy of the game either. A lot of games are free to play. Yeah. That's another barrier, right?

Like there's, there's another layer on top of it. And yeah, I think it's, it's think it's just very rampant right now. So the solution is in-person gaming events. Yeah. Or beauty contests. Yeah, bring lands back. Speaking of lands, I told Chase today,

it's going to be another probably four or five months before the Badminton Center is built. So I was thinking we should do another LAN at my place, maybe like a bit lower key. Hopefully I don't get sick for two months this time yeah maybe just just the basement this time nice but um oh okay i talked to high sense okay this is not an ai topic good lord we could talk about ces probably for the entire show never do any merch messages never do any other topics sick um i talked to Hisense about getting hands-on with their 110-inch, and they're apparently going to work on it.

This thing is wild. Double the peak brightness of the TCL, which you saw. Whoa! Double 10,000 nits peak brightness. Double the local dimming zones of the tcl you saw 40 000 dimming zones which i mean it already wasn't really a problem i i didn't see the the classic black desktop background white mouse cursor scenario but in watching a variety of different movies uh it didn't seem like a problem and uh what else is there that's i mean that 90

porto and full-plane chat bro wants a flashbang yeah more like a flash the whole time yeah oh uh oh dan's messaging me um oh speaking of um speaking of things that we could do the whole time without talking about merch messages, let's do some merch messages. Oh, is that what he's doing? Hey, no, that's not what he messaged me about. Dan, I don't know what it is. Do you have the new... Oh, I don't know.

Oh, it should redirect. It should should redirect it should be fine yeah nope i just don't know what it is i can send it to you no i was just using google login before uh it was using both but i i can send it to you can you just okay well fine whatever uh the point is merch messages are the way to interact with the show Don't send a super chat or a Twitch bit Send a merch message All you gotta do is go on lttstore.com And in the cart there'll be a little box Whenever we're live where you can leave a merch message

You can send a little pop-up For, you know, your friends or your mom Who's watching, be like, hi mom Or you can have producer Dan read your Merch message and either forward it to someone at the company who can help find an answer for you, respond to it himself, or curate it for me and Luke to address later in the show.

So Dan's going to show you guys how it works by firing over a couple of merch messages to us. And I'm going to try and get my bloody dashboard open. I sent it to your email that should be on that laptop. And it will be great. It your email that should be on that laptop and it will be great it will be like frosted flakes do you want me to read you one or do you want to get logged in first seriously that's the password well gee I guess I don't blame myself for not remembering that I didn't set it skill issue uh okay let, let's see. But it is bad. We should change it at some point.

Don't forget, you can just close those tabs and scoot right down to the curated. Close those tabs. Yeah, just click on incoming. The thing at the top. He's so bothered. I like to scroll. You know what? I'm not going to do it. There you go.

Got him. Okay, all right. Hit me, Dan. Sure. I've been using an LG OLED TV for a few years now and have been thinking of upgrading. For someone wanting a larger display, would you recommend a real monitor or a TV? So it's tough, right? I was using a TV as my monitor for a bit there.

I even went as far as getting my hands on the service remote for the lgc whatever the c1 i think was what i was c10 i was running something at the time um which ended up upsetting some people because they were like man now that linus is talking about the service remote like how to edit the the the dimming timeout and stuff like that now lg gonna lock that down I'm just like guys I can't not cover cool tech because like then it will then people will know about it like it you know yeah I uh I don't know like on the one hand like I'm sorry that really sucks it's not the first time actually happened that we've covered I don't remember but there have been times where we've covered something really cool that was kind of underground.

It's patched out. And then it's gotten patched out, which sucks. But that's what we're supposed to do is cover cool stuff. Anyway, the point is, even with the service remote tricks, there were compromises running a TV as a monitor. I suspect the newer ones would have less compromise because now LG is competing against much improved quantum dot mini LED backlit competitors. And they're competing against Samsung's QD OLED that is not as sensitive to being overdriven as LG's W OLED. to being overdriven as LG's W OLED. So they're probably going a little bit more aggressive in terms of how hard they're driving things and how much of the screen they'll allow to be white

before it just is dimmed beyond recognition. But even with that said, I think I would probably lean towards getting a monitor, especially because there are so many monitors out there that are tv sized if you're into that sort of thing but have the creature comforts that are associated with plugging a monitor and you know running display port so potentially having higher refresh rates available to them than what you can push over hdmi 2.1 um having multiple multiple inputs so

display port hdmi um i think most of them don't really have anything more legacy okay so that point's a little less valid but having a having an osd like an on-screen display that is uh more designed for for desktop use that's easily accessible like there's there's just there's things that are nice about having a monitor instead of a tv on your computer i lld hope you're well question we always see the cool stuff from a show like ces what's a piece of tech you've seen at a show that you felt was a huge disappointment there's tons i mean yeah um it's usually like half the show let me yeah let me put it this way i think we made about between 20 and 25 videos

this year presenting at ces were hundreds of companies i mean some of them are just things we don't really cover but a lot of it ends up being not really what you would expect yeah it is also a buyer's show um so you'll get stuff like back when i frequented ces which i actively dislike las vegas so i'm happy i don't anymore but um back when i frequented ces half the show would be phone cases which you'd think like why like why do all these tech reviewers and and news people want to cover phone cases? Well, they don't. But there is buyers there. Yeah, it's a networking show.

Yeah, yeah. So it's a show for multiple types of people. Speaking of disappointments at the show, let's talk about something that didn't disappoint me at the show. AI steak griller. Yeah, I know. Poor Dan. They claim it'll do three steaks in 90 seconds. Cooked to perfection.

Look at this. This poor head is going to explode. how how did they do this you might ask yeah actual like machine learning so what so what they do is they they punish the model or that they they punish it for taking any longer than it absolutely has to. So for every second that it takes, it gets punished. And then it gets punished based on user feedback on the quality of the meal. And so they've gotten it far enough that it should be pretty darn decent. But then what's really cool is that they use machine learning to tune it to your preferences

so it knows how thick the meat is it knows what kind of cut it is you you enter that and then you basically go yeah i want it done medium rare and it'll cook it medium rare and then you will fill in feedback and go that was basically blue that was disgusting and it'll go oh okay so you actually like your steak done well uh let me deal with that was disgusting and it'll go oh okay so you actually like your steak done well uh let me deal with that for you and it'll and it'll cook it well the next time according to your preferences yeah uh they talked about this part isn't done yet but they talked about having the ability to have the device know where it is and go okay yeah i'm, I'm in Texas. So like medium is blue, you know, versus I'm in. So to account for kind of regional differences and preferences.

Cultural preferences. Yeah. Regional preferences. Steak, chicken. It'll do some veggies. It'll do burgers. They have a pizza adapter for it. So it's like sous vide version two.

There is no water involved. Yeah, I mean. But it's like sous vide version two. There is no water involved. Yeah, I mean... But it's supposed to be like easy, quick... In regards to smart kitchen gadgets. And the heating elements move. They're on motors and reach temperatures of up to 1600 degrees Fahrenheit. Wait, so this is like a box. They cook vertically.

So you put them in this like clamshell thing, slide it in vertically. Like a server blade. And then it cooks the steak, then sears it. You can tell how much sear you want. Then pulls off, lets the juices kind of do their thing. There's a drip tray. The whole thing, you just pull off the tray things. They're magnetic, so you huck them in the dishwasher.

Theoretically, you could cook a steak dinner. How thin were these steaks that they cooked in? About like that. They didn't actually cook anything at the show. So I want a review unit before I'm going to accept everything they said is gospel truth. But I also do understand how machine learning could be useful for this application oh for sure if i tell it like hey that's not how i like my steak cooked and it goes okay right so we had it nailed down for kind of the thin cuts but these thicker cuts

it seems like we're gonna have to kind of fine-tune this or that man it's kind of cool and i would not think it would be possible to cook steak that fast Like just how do you Heat up the inside of it that fast I don't know Did they say you can cook it To any Degree of wellness within that amount of time That I don't know probably not

I didn't ask that Yeah because you can sear the outside of a steak that fast Sure He is so not convinced. It does chicken, though. I am highly sus. Now we've got it. Now we've got it.

I'll say that much. They say it does chicken. No, I'm just highly sus. Chicken, but it does chicken. I'm just highly sus. I'm highly sus, too. It's interesting, though. That is definitely interesting, because honestly, like...

That's a real use case for it. And cooking takes a lot of time. And not cooking is really expensive and it's at least here there's so many variables i know there's some place like in like in taiwan and and stuff like it's actually fairly if you know where to go and stuff it's actually quite affordable to eat out for more meals because the restaurants are kind of like built for that almost and and yada yada yada but around here it's not structured that way eating out for every meal is incredibly expensive tree fingers says i'm a chef and i can tell you with through years of

experience trying to rush steaks it doesn't work like that you can't just blast it with tons of heat it cooks outside in i know yeah i know yeah i know yeah this is why i'm sus but they they i think are willing to put their money where their mouth is. I think we're getting one. Wolf thinking full-plane chat. Why did the chicken cross the road? Because the AI grill was hallucinating again. Oh, man.

Oh, no. Yeah, it's like one in every 100 things you put into the AI oven just comes out completely black. It's like charred. I mean, I was telling you about my existing oven so that would be no worse than what I have already um I was just trying to think what else was uh there was one that was a major disappointment there's an AI mattress that I kept asking okay what makes it AI and it's like well we have an algorithm and I was like right but what makes it ai and they're like our algorithm right but your algorithm what's ai about it uh it's it takes inputs and then makes adjustments i'm like that's not ai that's actually not what that means uh we're supposed to do a couple more topics now i guess according to dan we are doing topics

we're talking about ces no this is still the first topic of the show luke it's it has it's one major topic with many microtopics the second one uh yeah micro rapids sorry what they are micro rapid topics okay all right all right why did you pick a next main topic notable non-ai demos um really okay i'm interested i think ces is interesting it was a big tv show this year yeah and for a long time i was really bored by what was going on with tvs yeah they were making them thinner and it's like i feel like you haven't cared about tvs since the one that you just got basically oh my god who cares yeah I don't care so what it's thinner it sits

it sits on a thing by the wall it's more annoying to carry around because it feels more fragile like it's like it's ridiculous and like especially what LG was doing with their OLEDs for a long time where they'd be like like this thin at the top and then have a giant caboose.

It's like, who do they think they are? My wife? She doesn't have a giant caboose. It's all relative. Oh my goodness. The point is the point is the whole thinness war never made any sense to me. What were we trying

to achieve with any of that that I liked it at the beginning Sure I mean because TVs were Like big chunks Sure I mean going from Here to here was a lot more Meaningful than going from here to Here and especially from here to Here right like the

TV that I've got in my theater room right Now the TCL it's like this thick And who cares? Do you notice that when you're watching content on it? No. No, of course not, because that's ridiculous. And then there was the bezel war that was kind of before that, kind of at the same time as that.

To a degree, having thinner bezels, I would say, is a benefit. But I also think that there's a certain point you reach where it probably doesn't matter that much and yeah for i i still you know i think for for a show piece if you want to have like a bezel-less tv or something like that you know for an art display or something sure yeah absolutely but in your general you know 399 at best people aren't going to care 799 1299, $1299. I don't think you need that at a certain point. And then there was the resolution war.

1080p, yeah, not the be-all and end-all, but it's fine for most things. And 4K is, to the vast majority of people out there, ind indiscernible from from retina resolution and so you know for years at ces we were looking at you know world's first uh you know however many pixels per inch world's first 8k display world's first now i'm trying to remember we definitely saw ones that were higher resolution than 8k and we're kind of asking ourselves okay forget about the content let's assume you know upscaling gets perfect and we can watch any kind of content on this unless i get unless i get this and it was impressive it's not like i wasn't like wow this is really cool upscaling is not perfect by the way it was it was cool but unless you were getting you know this close or you're trying to read a newspaper on your tv you know i there

wasn't there wasn't a clear there wasn't a clear use case for it right and i don't feel the same way about the brightness war because once you've experienced good hdr i didn't i i'm gonna put this out here before you go into the topic because i do think it's actually fairly important i've experienced hdr a few times i notably like didn't really like a lot of the examples that i saw because the certain bright parts of the screen would be so bright that they were like annoying to look at i did not experience that with the really really really bright sdr at your place really did that did we watch any hdr stuff and did you feel that way about the hdr because i thought i threw on mario we did and it was also fine okay um so like i there there have

been implementations of this that i have not actually liked at all but more recently trying that tv it was very good so well done hdr yes freaking awesome because because that's what the world is like and it's not about having a super bright image that's not right if that's what you've seen before then it's not being handled right by your device or it's not been mastered properly yeah um but we are nowhere near even now even with the 10 000 nit tv that i was talking about from Hisense. We are even now not at the point where it is similar to, you know, standing in the sunset. So I was talking to Andrew, one of our camera guys about this, when we were in the bus line for the shuttle after looking at the Hisense TV. And I went, okay, dude, actually, here, here, look with me. We were standing outside the convention center,

and it was kind of approaching sunset, and one of the hotel towers that was like a glass tower was kind of catching a reflection of the sun that was like, it was dazzlingly bright, but not where you would be uncomfortable. It was just like, you know, the world that has a sun that shines on it. And sometimes it reflects off of things. And I kind of went, okay, Andrew, how many nits do you think we would need to get there?

Because it's something that our eyes can process. And it's something we're going to have to achieve if we want HDR content to be like looking through a pane of glass into the world. And it was like, you know, hard to say, but a lot more than 10,000, which is one of the reasons why, and I agree, like it was bright, but it was natural, and we're not quite there yet. And that's one of the reasons that I am into the brightness war. Bring on 15,000 nits. Bring on 15,000 nits. Bring on 20,000 nits.

Not because every element on the screen that is white should be blasted at 20,000 nits into your face, but because key on-screen elements where you're trying to capture the glinting of the sun off the top of the waves or a reflection on a polished knight's armor or something like that. In order to accurately reflect that, pun intended, you need incredible, incredible brightness.

And I think that what we're going to see is we're going to need ambient light sensors on TVs that are really good. Like, we've had ambient light sensing on TVs for ages. The problem is that in the past, in a lot of cases, and I haven't f***ed with them in a long time because before, they would always just trash the image quality. I don't like i i i i'd hate it they're pretty good on phones these days though so maybe they've improved a lot on tvs but we're going to need that because you're going to be sitting in a dark room and it's going to hit you with you know 20 000 nits your eyes won't be adjusted for it and that's going to be a problem but we're going to need perfect blacks and we're going to need like crazy crazy high

peak brightness in order to account for all the different environments where the TV might be used in order to really get that experience and make it feel more lifelike, because that's what it does. It increases immersion. Did I fire up Lord of the Rings when you were over as a demo fellowship?

Yes. Yeah. I was trying to think back. Did we look at any of the outside boat scenes? Okay, yeah. Specifically the one where they go by the statues doing that. Compared to any other display that I've watched that on, it was so much more natural.

And now you're telling me, okay, I can have another 5,000 nits to really make the sun feel like sun. Yeah. Not white. Bring it on. I'm here for it. Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited. Yeah. Not white. Bring it on. I'm here for it. Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited.

Yeah. Okay, what am I supposed to be talking about right now? Oh, yeah, right. Things that were not AI. Yeah. So Samsung's micro LED, the wall, is better than before. They weren't really giving any specs, which was extremely confusing. Not only did they not have any displays up up but no one at the booth knew anything um they knew sizes

that's it that's basically it uh i was like one thing you forgot to mention about that grill the ai powered grill is that it's 3500 oh yeah it's not cheap yeah I I could see it being like if I was to consider buying one it would be for like smash jams like for the bad yeah yeah so it'd be like uh you know we're we're gonna have a little cantina not cantina more like a canteen than a cantina like a cafe like a little like you'll be able to get like muffins or like whatever a little like you know kind of things from costco um yeah or or maybe a steak right like if we could make a steak in in 90 seconds or whatever might be okay and then grill some veggies in another if it can do a steak in 90 seconds i'm sure it can do veggies in like if you could be i mean if

you had a rice cooker there yeah a steak that can cook in 90 seconds and yeah some veggies yeah then like i see no reason why why a small commercial not really a kitchen but like canteen because i mean if you were gonna buy an oven for this uh canteen to cook steaks in anyways you're gonna be spending a pretty substantial amount of money. Yeah. A lot of like, uh, what would you call it?

My brain wants to say enterprise, but I don't think that's what I'm going for. Commercial. Yeah, there you go. Commercial grade, like kitchen hardware is really expensive. Um,

and okay. Apparently it's three minutes for a ribeye, which people are saying is still stupid fast. Yeah. I have no idea if it even is commercial grade to be clear maybe it's not rated at that for that kind of like maybe cycle yeah yeah maybe this is a is a personal appliance for just bougie like executives or i don't know but i definitely want to check it. I want to know if there's any validity to what they're claiming. Super interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. Trying to think of like what else we saw that was really stand out. I mean, PC industry wise, there wasn't much. I mean, AMD launched a new AM4 processors, which I think is pretty cool. I got a little bit of inside baseball and to sort of where these are coming from which i don't think was off the record but it felt like too much detail for the video um so the 5800x 3d they've been producing for a couple years now right and in that time they've had a lot of dies In that time, they've had a lot of dies that die.

Not die, but didn't quite make the grade for 5800X3D. So why do we have a cheaper X3D? Because, hey, I mean, waste not, want not, right? So $250 gets you a chip that doesn't hit the same clock speeds, but AMD is claiming, but we haven't validated this yet, that a lot of what gives the X3D its strength is the cache itself, is the latency advantage of the cache and you don't necessarily

need more core clock speed for that so they're saying that gaming performance should actually be quite similar to the 5800 X3D so I'm pretty excited for that because there's this enormous install base of AM4 systems out there, and if all they've got

to do to be able to keep up with the latest generation gaming GPUs, mostly, right? Like, okay, not quite as good as a 7000 series, or X3D 7000 series for that matter, or a 14th gen or whatever, but to mostly keep up with a current gen GPU

Is pop a $250 chip In there they're going to get some money back For the chip they just took out just flip it on eBay or whatever else that's really Compelling and I'm here for it I like to see it I just thought it was Really cool that we were seeing extra support for that Platform I mean realistically

AMD's main focus was their 8000 G series chips, which are pretty much 7000 chips, but the top two have like a neural processing unit in them that AMD didn't really have any clear idea of what anyone was going to do with yet. There's no real

software that runs on it at this time that a general consumer would care about. But theoretically, workloads will come, and it's much more efficient to offload to that compared to even using the GPU on them. And it's the GPU that's really special because they had demos.

Obviously, they were using frame generation and upscaling and all that kind of stuff, but they had demos where they were running AAA games at, like, 60 frames per second, like Baldur's Gate 3 running on integrated graphics. That's actually pretty nuts. I, you know, back when we first started putting GPUs right on the CPU package, you know,

back when Intel first launched their like 700 series core processors, Linfield, I was like, yo, I don't want this. Give me more CPU compute. Why are you wasting die space on this crap? Now I get it. If I'd known that this level of integration was going to give us AAA gaming, yeah, at low, you know, 1080p if you're lucky, right?

It's running at a lower resolution, upscaling to 1080p. But if I'd known integrated graphics was going to reach playing triple a games at all i probably would have been a lot more on board with it it's freaking awesome and it finally buries that category that you and i have both been trying to kill for the last 10 years the entry-level e-waste graphics card yeah i get it and it's been it's been close some people buy them i get it but like please please stop please stop please stop onboard graphics is literally a better option and okay sometimes you have an older machine that you need to put better graphics in i get it machine that you need to put better graphics in i get it don't buy an entry-level card i used get get get a used card that you could also just plug into it and would also be cheap okay don't just

stop ah oh man oh boy here comes chat oh no i have a gt a GT 510. Okay, all right. Oh, no, really? I use an entry-level card to prop up my 4090. It's a great seg pillar. I like my computer to be an analog for society. Look, look, look, look, look. Raging Azaru. 1660 Super is not the problem. I've never had an analog for society. Look, look, look, look, look. Raging Azaru. 1660 Super is not the problem.

I've never had an issue with that. I'm talking like GT 1030s. Stuff that is just manufactured waste. Yep, yep, yep. Why don't we jump into... Oh, here, hold on. Notable non-A. Okay, I already talked about Wi-Fi 7 being amazing.

There's the new amd card with 16 gigs of vram i can't man nvidia's lineup once again seems to be just purely designed to upsell you to the next one i talked about this a fair bit when they launched the 4060 series right you've got the 4060 um 8 gig the 4060 16 gig and the 4060 ti i think it is or is it no the 4060 and then the ti both at eight gigs and then the 4060 ti 8 gig r16 gig that's right where the 4060 was like dog slow and then the ti was fast enough but didn't have enough vram and then the ti 16 gig was way overpriced you know like it was just like the entire lineup is just designed to extract more money from you it's like it's like so blatantly obvious they just won't they won't

quite give you enough at every stage like it used to be you could get kind of you know what was pretty much the whole experience um and like you could overclock it a bit and you could like get to that level like they they are so careful to make sure that that one cannot be as good as that one and you are leaving something critical on the table and i felt the same way with the 4070 super 4080s uh excuse me 4070 super 4070 ti super and 4080 super lineup the 4070 super has 12 gigs of vram. It is a $600 card. With 12 gigs. And I get it. It has a 192-bit bus.

So if they wanted to strap more RAM to it, they would either have to do some kind of like, you know, some of it would run at half of the bandwidth or something, or they would have to double it entirely. They'd have to do 24 gigs of VRAM or something like that. We've had wider buses for a long time, though. Well, that's what I was going to say. I mean, you could also make the argument that it is a

$600 card with a 192-bit bus that is would be equally outrageous not that so very long ago yeah um then you step up to the 4070 ti super which has 16 gigs of vram which is nice but is an 800 graphics card then there's the 4080 super which is a great 4k high frame rate gaming card i was playing the new um the new call of duty call of duty modern warfare can we just again again again can we not name things like

this i freaking hate it um so i played the new call of duty modern warfare and even without upscaling nonsense it was i shouldn't say nonsense because it's getting really good. Even without upscaling, it was over 100 FPS at 4K. Like, it looked great. It just looked great. And with all the tomfoolery, it was like over 200. Like 220, 230, 240, like somewhere in that range. So I was playing that on the 4080, which is 4080 Super, excuse me, which was awesome. And it got a $ 200 price cut from 1200

us dollars so the one kind of reasonably priced one it's like well hey look at that achilles tendon right there you know um don't know don't worry about the knife just here give me your foot give me your foot just yeah you know right because we're in the era where the ps5 and the xbox series have 16 gigs of potential available ram and so it's no secret that game developers are going to be trying to utilize that as efficiently as possible so there's the there's the potential for games to need that kind of vram especially if you're on pc where you're going to be running at a higher detail level than what is necessarily going to be available to a console that's running what is essentially last gen gpu technology now so even if those consoles can't dedicate their entire 16 gigs

because it's shared right to vram on a pc it is very clear that that is going to that those kinds of overruns are going to happen, and they have already been happening. So they released this card for $600 that is not designed to last for this generation properly. And then it's $800 to get one. But by the time you're spending $800, well, I don't know, I guess you might as well get the $1,000 one. They can do 4K 120.

And I'm supposed to feel like this is a good deal because the non super was 1200 I It's tough he's he's he wants an out. That's why he started searching for things on the table He doesn't like the situation that he's in I just want to talk about something else Well let's not do the Union thing then because I think that's a sad story right yeah let's just talk about it okay actor union okays ai voiceovers steam okays ai game content sag after the u.s actors union has announced what they called a groundbreaking agreement with ai voiceover company replica studios for actors to license digital versions of their voices for interactive media projects for at least the next year according to the union the agreement

will ensure fair negotiation and the ability for performers to retain control over what additional works their voices are used in several prominent video game voice actors expressed disapproval and questioned why they hadn't been consulted in an faq sag after claimed that the deal was approved by a union committee of actors who frequently work in the gaming industry and because the deal was with a single company it didn't require a full member vote so the union says that it's important to be involved in the early stages of the technology's development as this will allow them to push for fair compensation so in a nutshell voice actors are upset with this deal because they wanted more they didn't want you know fair compensation

for their voice likeness to just be a'd. They wanted to do their jobs. They wanted to voice act because their previous body of work is not necessarily enough to just extrapolate what their future, you know, characterization of, or what their future performance could be and that's fair enough yeah as for the position of the union they're basically like this is coming deal with it

essentially is is how i read this and i i gotta i gotta tell you i um one of the things that nvidia wanted us to include in our booth coverage for them that I basically was like, no. It was a demo that you've probably read about or even seen that other places have covered where you walked into a virtual bar. This was the Chick at the Bar demo. I think I saw some of this. So there's two NPCs having a chick at the bar demo i think i saw some of this so there's two npcs having a conversation over the bar as you walk in i'm not sure if that is is large language modeled and and with ai generated voices or not but if you walk up you can interact with the bar

keep in any way you want essentially using um i forget if it was chat GPT based, but it was some kind of large language model and have natural. I use this in extreme finger quotes, natural conversations. There's there's a lot of issues I have with this. So first of all, I told in video like, look. I've had enough controversy last year. I don't need 2024 to be the year of Linus promoting voice actors losing their jobs i just am not going to talk about this for that alone but also here are my concerns um a it's not nearly as good as other media made it out to be like you know the ai voices in the finals

yeah i wouldn't even say they were that good because in the finals you're not expecting it to be natural right it's an announcer it's an announcer which is kind of a style presenty yeah whereas you know if you were to talk to this bartender about uh and then they're expressing concern over your over your dead dog and you're on your way to like you know john wick someone or something right like there's there could be the video game yeah this sounds very plausible who knows there could there could be any tone to this conversation and it was it was not that good um so that's that's a concern because i get it like i can see where we're going with this and i do think that we'll probably get there at some point where the idea is that you know

all the all the you know people who are getting laid off in the games industry right now can start indie studios and create gigantic worlds populated with vibrant characters using ai you know like i i i get the kind of the pot of gold that's supposed to be at the end of this rain blow right um where the games industry is struggling so hard right now but it's not even like it's not that and i i do feel that other coverage either you know they kind of got lucky on the prompts or they just i don't know like they don't talk to people something i don't know i felt like some of the coverage of it just was not representative of the state of the tech right now and then the other thing for for me is that i just

um i felt like it was a little i felt like it was kind of tone deaf coming back to the state of the games industry right now like as i was sitting here next to luke i i was i i found another uh round of layoffs in the tech industry it wasn't game specific but there's been at least a couple rounds of games industry layoffs this year, or this week. Unity, was that this week or last week? Crap, I'm not sure. I know basically all of this has been 2024. I think Unity might have been last week.

AC3 production says it was this week. Yeah, Unity did 25% this week. There was at least one other one, I think, that was also games industry this week. There was at least one other one, I think, that was also games industry this week. And, you know, for my part, I'm just sitting here going, it would feel kind of tone deaf to do show coverage, right? Which is generally more positive in tone for us.

Like we're not evaluating it. I don't think there's any reasonable expectation of like uh like an objective rigorous evaluation we're showing forward-looking technology demos and you know it's supposed to be exciting i'm not excited right now oh twitch twitch was another big one which isn't oh discord right discord discord was the one i saw while i was sitting here there's been so many um and so it just felt icky, um, to be, to be like, you know, hype manning, uh, Hey, look how no one's going to need. Oh. And it also had a like real time synchronization of the animations.

So, you know, Hey, who's going to need, you know, animated animators or yeah. Uh, or voice actors. Let's go. And you know what? On on paper it sounds good like any small team of four people could build a giant open world game or whatever but i actually have what might be a controversial take oh boy i don't think we need more games right now. Oh yeah, I actually do agree with that. And...

If anything, I think the just astronomical volume of games and the limited attention that people can possibly have for them and and the potential for these kinds of tools to make them samier yeah then they already are oh yeah could be a bad thing for gamers do you want to talk to uh average white dude with beard ai model in this game or do you want to talk to average white dude with beard ai model in this other game it's like i think it's gonna be fatiguing yeah yeah and like if you're gonna spend the time to really tune one of these models like lucien le chance uh an An incredibly well written character from Oblivion. Trying to get ChatGPT to act like him perfectly.

When you can't just tell it to act like him. Because he doesn't exist yet. You're trying to craft this character. I think it's going to take so long. That you might as well just have a good writer. And a good voice actor. And just get it taken care of that way avon fox says linus hates games something something hot dogs hot dogs i was like oh where is this going that's funny yeah pretty much um i don't

know man like there's but then on the other hand, okay, look. One of the games that I love is called Freelancer. And that's a game that toward the end just runs out of money, obviously. They run out of the ability to continue to kind of expand this world and create more missions and contact and content. And I, um, and so,

you know, I look at tools like this and I go, Oh man, that, that would be, they would have been able to do it. You know, I,

so freaking, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I think it's good for some things and it's bad for others. It's very divisive. Um, just like this divisive segue to our sponsor for the show.

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Elijah's yelling at you. Don't spoil the idea. No, no, I won't spoil the idea. I know it's ours. We need it. But it's pretty cool because, unfortunately, the review of the Fairphone is not going to be super positive. Yes.

And so we were kind of thinking about, you know, alternative solutions, and we came up with something that's kind of neat. But that's all I have to say about that for now. What do you want to talk about next? Oh, the eBay thing? Oh, right, right, there's a thing. Okay, yes, Dan.

And then the eBay thing. Yeah, then we'll do the eBay thing. Sure. Hi, DLO. I have a problem with Google Workspace. They set a hard deadline, after which I lost access to my data with no further support. Data destroyed by Google is real.

Little guy versus Google vibes. Yeah, okay, so I curated this out of the potentials. I don't really 100% know what's going on, and we're not Google, so we can't really say anything. I've never heard of this. I don't know but i'm going to unfortunately use you as a good opportunity to talk about 321 storage try not to have one copy of your data because yeah zero is much better try not to have one i mean if you don't have any then you're not going to feel bad when it's gone so that is a form of strategy yeah that's a that's that sucks i don't know what's

going on there deadline after which is you know what you know what they did recently is they shut down all gmail accounts so maybe that's it's a workspace yeah google workspace i don't really know what's happening in the actual message i can't really tell what's actually going on if they set a hard deadline then i guess the deadline is passed but i mean there's a reason that everything i care about is on my nas yeah um as long as i am able to can keep those those probably was free workspace people are saying i i did never take part in that i heard it was like a thing though oh yeah elijah's saying they removed the free version of google workspace last year and gave people time to upgrade or migrate and i guess that's it it's

over didn't make it that's rough but yeah luke's right three two one multiple copies three copies across at least two different locations and what's the one uh i think it's supposed to be more than one format oh okay sure yeah that makes sense in my opinion the format matters less than all the others yeah i don't think that's a huge yeah three copies two locations i feel pretty good that's what matters the most oh it's one ring to rule them all one is off-site i like mine better i don't think that's it two is types of media ah yeah yeah two different types of media and one of them being off so okay yeah thanks guys but basically the types of media ones kind of multiple copies yeah yeah one off-site that's good all right dan hit me

yeah yeah one off site that's good all right dan hit me ll and big d can you talk a bit about displays why is abl necessary is power draw and heat really that big of a deal i dream of a greater than 1000 nits sustained regardless of window percentage mini or micro led OLED, I don't care. Well, ABL, that's the auto brightness dimming nonsense. So yes, power draw does matter, and it's for more than just energy star efficiency ratings and stuff like that. But there's only so hard you can you can drive these things and i think that in the same way that gpu manufacturers try to limit the power draw of power virus applications like furmark i don't think tv manufacturers actually want you

pushing because when you when you display you know all an all white um like an, an all-white window or an all-white screen, you're essentially driving every single sub-pixel at maximum power, and that is going to microwave you at a certain point. And I don't mean that literally. I mean, we were at a demo in Samsung Display's booth. So take it with the grain of salt that you need to take it with uh but what they had was their cutie oled next to lg's w oled and this was they said both current gen and the scene that they had was uh a candle burning in the middle of the display. I would say it was probably about a 10% to 15% window.

Yeah, maybe 10%. So a bright candle burning down the middle of the monitor. And they had thermal cameras pointed at both of these displays. Now, I don't know for sure that they didn't have an insulating material on the back of the lg display like i can't i can't prove that but assuming samsung display had any integrity whatsoever it was two of the same image playing at the same luminance level on an lg they didn't say it was lg but it was obviously lg because it was w oled and nobody else makes that. So on an LG TV and a Samsung TV and the LG TV was running so hot that I couldn't touch it. I'm trying to remember the exact temperature, but it was it was over 60 degrees.

And they claimed that if they left it running for long at the surface of this tv was was wow could burn you yes and they claimed that if they left it running long enough it could reach like in excess of 70 or 80 and so in response to your to your question you know why can't we just drive a 100 that's really dangerous to be clear not not just for like burning yourself But for burning your house like kids yeah stuff like that So to to to answer your question. Why can't we just drive the whole panel at 100% brightness? It's because we can't There's actually a fun rabbit hole to go down

Incredibly bright LEDs and how to deal with how much heat they generate oh yeah they have to be like water cool and stuff it's crazy it's actually like pretty cool diy perks did a great video where he builds himself an artificial sun and he gets into the whole like diy perks like like physics of how the lens has to be different so that the rays are are parallel rather than like this and blah blah blah blah blah it's a whole it's a whole thing it's a great video go go check it out um but one of the one of the things that uh he had to do was deal with cooling the bloody thing we also saw that at oh what are they chronos i want to say um chronos camera let me let me just check this yeah yeah yeah yeah cron technologies

these guys uh we did a we did a tour with these guys a number of years ago stop uh we did a tour with these guys a number of years ago and uh they do high-speed cameras which if you guys are familiar with no you'll know need a ton of light in order to perform their best so they have a controlled room with zero flicker uh led lighting where they can do test footage and test their cameras and those lights are like diy water cooled because they're you know big geeks and watch our channel and stuff and they're they're there are there are peeps um but it's super cool and i can't remember if that ended up in the tour or not, but it was definitely one of the highlights for me was seeing their water-cooled LED lights

so that they can get it bright enough in this room to shoot high frame rate footage. Very cool. Yeah, see, that's super cool. I love stuff like that. Cacksmith apparently did it too. All right, Dan, hit me. Last one I got for you.

Hey, DLL, we use RFID name tags for computer access in healthcare all the time. What do you think about this being more popular in the consumer space? Also, AI in the ER is crazy for diagnostics. Computer access in healthcare? I mean, yeah. The thing about the computer space is

our devices are not shared the same way they are in a corporate or educational or uh or health care environment right like it's like you know okay like i'm trying i'm thinking back to our home pc when i was growing up right like there was one computer in the house because everyone didn't have their Chromebook for school and their phone and a gaming desktop maybe in the room or whatever. You're like Windows XP logging with all the profiles. Yeah, exactly. What value would there have been to me having a name tag with an RFID chip in it to log into that? Very little. me having a name tag with an RFID chip in it to log into that. Yeah.

You know, very, very little. I think that there's probably cases where there could be use for it, you know, like public library. Okay, I need to use the internet at the public library. I use my RFID card. But with the ubiquity of cell phones and mobile network connectivity, I absolutely recognize that there are people who still rely on public libraries for internet access, but I think that it's a lot less common than it was in the early 2000s. Public libraries do a lot of other cool stuff though. Yes, but I'm just talking about like the computer lab at the public library for

internet access. That was a huge thing like when I was a teenager and now is definitely not as much of a, of a necessity for, for as many people, um, like consumer, consumer RFID access. Like, uh,

I can think of very few things that those two sentences go together with. Yeah, door locks and stuff like that, but that's not really computer access. I would be super down to have an RFID chip in my finger or something like that. Yeah, someone at Fullplane Chat mentioned that. Biohacking? Yeah, just like every time, or if it's in my palm, and then there's just like, you know, an app on my phone that when I'm holding it, it's just like always authenticated for everything and just is, you know, tied into my password manager

and uses that, what's it called again? Huh? What's that thing called again? The Rabbit. Uses the Rabbit R1 to just automatically enter passwords whenever my, you know, my RFID chip in my hand is present or something. If we could automate stuff like that, man, that's game-changing for consumer. But it's not multi-user access, so I wouldn't need it for that.

I've got one installed in the back of my hand between my thumb and forefinger. Yeah, I'd be super down. I'd be super down. As a Christian, this is terrifying. I'm not sure. You know what? I have to admit, I'm not hyper familiar with the Bible or anything like that, but I'm not familiar, um,

with any kind of, um, issue with, oh, people are Mark of the beast. Okay. Hold on a second. Now I met,

now I got to Google this Mark of the beast RFID chip in your thing. Okay. The beast coming out of the sea is like a leopard with feet like a bear's. Okay, now hold on just a minute here. Stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman Empire. Okay, this is clearly going to take a little bit longer. The YouTuber? Mark of the mr beast all right uh put on the forehead of those who worship

i don't know dude i'm totally lost totally lost. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I'm clearly going to need a little bit more. Okay, hold on, hold on. Elijah's got me. Hey, yeah, nice name, bro. You a prophet? Okay, Revelations 13, 15. Here we go. And I was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast,

so the image of the beast might even speak in Cosmo. Yeah, I think this is not happening today. Why don't we do another topic? eBay pays $3 million to avoid prosecution, and this one's a doozy. They have agreed to pay a $3 million penalty. The statutory maximum. You should have seen the look on his face. He hadn't read this yet agreed to pay a $3 million penalty. The statutory maximum. You should have seen the look on his face.

He hadn't read this yet. This is a wild story, dude. The statutory maximum in order to settle criminal charges in a cyber stalking case where several former eBay employees harassed a pair of married e-commerce bloggers who critically covered a litigation issue involving the company. So basically, bloggers said something mean about eBay because of a litigation issue that eBay was having. So eBay had several employees who harassed them. In 2019, seven. That's actually more than what I would consider to be several. Seven.

That's actually more than what I would consider to be several. Yeah. Seven employees, including eBay's former senior director of safety and security. What? Began sending David and Ina Steiner harassing messages as well as disturbing packages, including live cockroaches and spiders, a fetus a funeral wreath and a book about dealing with the death of a spouse is this is this a movie about serial killers or what the is going on here pornographic publications were sent to a neighbor's house under David Steiner's name. And furthermore, three of the employees flew from California to Boston. Sorry, I probably butchered that.

With the intent of vandalizing the couple's home, breaking into their garage, and placing a tracker on their car. This is wild s*** not this is not alleged all seven of them have since pleaded guilty and buddy the senior director of safety and security is facing five years in prison imagine being the director of safety and security specifically. This is some mafia level shit right here. This is crazy. This is crazy. Two other members of the eBay C-suite who were implicated in the matter were not charged, including then CEO David Wenig, who instructed eBay's then chief communications officer, Stephen Weimer, to take Ina Steiner down after she criticized his outsized compensation.

Weimer then instructed, I don't know, Jim Bach, the director of safety and security guy, instructed him that he wanted to see her burned down and to do whatever it takes to make that happen. What? Our discussion question here is like, I don't even know what our discussion question here is like, I don't even know what our discussion question is. How is it even only five years?

I would hear a story like that and go, that's fake. All right. You know, grain of salt, right? Like that's for a bad TV show. That sounds,

that sounds exaggerated, you know. And a lot of the time, an outlandish claim like that probably is exaggerated or even an outright fabrication. But clearly, clearly people are people are f***ing crazy. Like that is that is messed up s*** right there. What are you doing? What is wrong with you? You know? claims that seem just beyond what any reasonably functional human would would do right it's possible the fact that they pleaded guilty right i mean that's that's how this works right like

they're they're they're innocent until they're proven guilty yeah then we were like stop i did it unless it's under some form of duress or whatever, but I'm assuming that's not the case. I mean, all seven of them? Really?

Yeah. I mean, it depends. Did the prosecutors go to their houses, send them fetal pigs, put trackers on their cars? Like, is that... What the f***?

This isn't the gulags. They probably were well-minded. Like, I mean, you would kind of... You would kind of, like, this is what I would expect from organized crime. eBay's not just some random, it's not like, man, this was like, yeah, this was in like the early days of eBay when they had some like weird people working there. This is like four years ago.

What? You know, like you hear these crazy stories about the beginnings of the gaming industry or whatever. It's like, yeah, there was cocaine everywhere. Right? This was four years ago! Yeah.

2019! How did they get caught? I don't know by mailing dead animals in the posts maybe like which is a crime for sure yeah like it sounds it sounds so improbable that if it wasn't for the fines happening and the admissions of guilt, I still would say, you know, there's probably a bit more to this story. You know, it's a plea deal or it's this or it's that. It makes you wonder, you know, the kind of just outlandish stuff that has gone on over the years, you know? Pretty wild.

Oh, okay. JChrist08 says, I forgive you for having the mark of the whatever, and if I recall correctly, they hired a PI who found out that it was eBay because they were tailing them one day. Oh.

Unreal. That was just their username, by the the way they weren't actually jesus unless they were i mean rose once what's who's to say he couldn't rise again okay so this all this kind of stuff broke in like 2021, but I'm assuming the, they, they got their settlement now. I don't know. There's like news articles about it. Oh, it's that eBay's paying the penalty, I think.

Yeah. So they're, they're getting there. Yeah. That's wild. I, I just, I hadn't seen this.

Wow. Unreal. Wow, man. It's a good thing they weren't inada because then having them tailed might have been you know violating their privacy do you see that wild thing how uh yeah uh quebec police said hey you can't just like upload footage of porch pirates taking your stuff because that could be a violation of their privacy because they're innocent until proven guilty it's like yeah i

guess they could have been just protecting that package from someone else. But like, yeah, I know, right? They're like, yeah, you need to report. Doesn't Canada have filming on property laws? You can film it, but they're saying you can't just release it publicly. You should give it to the police. Cool. You know what?

I can do nothing about it. That's stupid. That is actual. That is actual clown level stuff right there. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. Speaking of very cool, should we do our announcement? Do we have an announcement?

Yeah. Oh, are you pregnant? Yeah. You don't look as pregnant as you did a while back. That's good. It's in the early stages, something or other, yeah. He's doing really well, so I can tease him now. Luke's on a journey.

People in chat, congrats. Luke's glowing. I'm glowing. All right, but is it something to do with this weird letter thing that we both have? We could do this, though. Okay, let's do the announcement. I have no idea what you're talking about. The pants!

Oh, like merch. There's a section on the doc called Announcements. Oh. Well, alright. Okay, we have new lounge pants um available now at ltdstore.com they feature there we go the same comfy material as our underwear so they're perfect for pajamas hanging around around the house or any situation where maximum comfort is your goal. I'm just going to pull this up. They're $34.99, available now on ltdstore.com.

And this came up in the pre-show. If you have any questions regarding sizing, that's right. We have standard and long sizing. All you got to do is check out the size guide. We've got everything from XS all the way to XXXL. And if you click the size guide you can see not only the inseam lengths and sort of the heights that they're designed for

but also how to measure these things to ensure that you will get an excellent fit also they're kind of stretchy as you might expect I'm going to get a ton of use out of these we are also...

Pretty stoked about these. Sorry? Pretty stoked about these. We're also giving a last chance here, reminder, to pick up our CES 2024 team t-shirt. Sales end January 13th. This mainly came about because we've had a bunch of people complain in years past that we wore these shirts

in all of our coverage of ces that weren't freaking available on the site yeah and so this time we were like okay fine then if you if you want our cool team event coverage t-shirt then fine you can have one too all you have to do is pay for it um so those are those are going to be these are a pre-sale uh all shirts will be printed following purchase and then um we're going to ship them, here you go, by the end of this month. Nice. Okay.

Yeah, this is a digital reference only, but that's exactly what it looks like. I'm excited about these, because the onesie is made similarly, right? Yep. Yeah, it's also our underwear material. And my girlfriend takes the onesie. I'm not a huge fan of wearing onesies, but I the material on that and this and the underwear to be very comfortable but i

don't like yeah i don't like being in a onesie so having this for lounging at home will be great there's one last thing uh we have deals on remaining stock of wan hoodies short circuit hoodies and swackets we apparently found some additional inventory buried at the warehouse and they're 50 bucks each until they're gone this is the last chance to grab any of these three items they will not be restocked okay um so that was what was that wan hoodie short circuit hoodie and swag and swack it that's not to say we will never do another kind of similar style thing ever again ones but those ones will not be returning as far as we know um never say never but it is almost certainly not going to happen we have what i believe is

actually a legitimate question uh from angelus 000 um how much do these stealth sweatpants uh or new lounge pants show off package they're very soft material so probably a decent amount i mean i could put them on i don't think it's against Twitch's terms of service In all seriousness though We've got Pictures on the site Of people wearing them

If you're gonna wear them Without underwear Then you're gonna have some Meat print But these are A bit of a looser More relaxed relaxed fit, so they're not going to be super tight. They're a soft pant. If she swings.

If you would show on a soft pant, you'll probably show in these. Yeah. Which, you know. What are you going to do, apologize for it, I guess? Yeah. Anywho. what are you gonna do apologize for it i guess yeah anywho oh man this one uh this one i think is gonna make some people sad let's go into it um walk them and wizards of the coast admit to using AI art. It's not quite as bad as it sounds, I think. Okay.

Wizards of the Coast first denied, then admitted that AI was used in the creation of a recent promotional image for Magic of the Gathering. The image showed telltale signs of artifacting associated with AI generation, leading to uproar among fans and artists. According to a post from Magic of the Gathering's Twitter account, the art came from a vendor who likely used AI features in an industry standard tool like Photoshop, leading to AI artifacts in an image that was primarily created by a human being.

Wizards of the Coast promised not to use AI in their art back in December, following similar backlash to an image in a Dungeons and Dragons sourcebook, which used some amount of AI generation. The company now says they will apply similar standards to art for marketing materials. Wacom, on the other hand, creators of the digital drawing tablets, faced similar questions over an image in its own marketing materials, a dragon with similar artifacts and nonsensical anatomical details. The company has since apologized and stated that the art was purchased from a third party and it evaded its AI detection tools during the vetting process. According to The Verge, the image likely came from a vendor who posted the art to Adobe stock without tagging it as AI.

Yeah, where's this tail coming from exactly? Yeah, that's a... How did that dodge the... art to Adobe stock without tagging it as AI. Yeah. Where's this tail coming from? Exactly. That's a, how did that, how did that dodge the AI detection stuff? I mean, man, if I wasn't, if I was just glancing at it. You won't notice immediately, but if they have a process for detecting AI stuff. But like, if this is supposed to go up the dragon spine, you know, why does it end up here? Like it's like, yeah know, why does it end up here?

Like it's like, yeah, it's it's obviously AI now that we're looking at it. Like, why would the tummy have scales and then have like like this? Like, it's just what is what is going on right now? Yeah. You know, but if we're not paying attention, if we're just reading this. Yeah, there's like a dragon sitting there or whatever. I get it. We're not paying attention if we're just reading this. Yeah, there's like a dragon sitting there or whatever. I get it. Full-plane chat is a very fun take on what's going on there.

Yeah. Okay. Moving on. Is it tech layoffs time? I guess. Is this one only really pointing out? This one's only pointing out a few, but honestly, if we tried to point all of them out,

we'd be here for an hour, and we'd probably miss some, because probably more have happened since this was written. So it's probably fine. I said probably a lot. Twitch has announced the layoffs of around 35 percent of their staff considering the 400 employees laid off from twitch in march this means the company has fired nearly half of its original staff of the staff that was around at

that time uh in a blog post ceo dan clancy called the layoffs an attempt to right-size Twitch, which he says will still, was still far bigger than it needs to be, despite ongoing sustainability efforts. This is crazy, like, I think is Twitch done? Like, do you know the big new feature that they announced alongside NVIDIA, where

even smaller streamers can support multiple resolutions? Oh, by them doing it themselves, the transcoding themselves? By NVIDIA and streaming software companies working together to do all the encoding client-side and then just allow Twitch to ingest the various resolution streams. I actually think it's pretty cool. It is pretty cool, but twitch talking about this as a feature

is like okay so i don't i don't i don't disagree with you and i understand that this might be unpopular but uh the fact that i think it's like over 99 of streamers on twitch are getting effectively no viewers like three to zero um it costs a lot for them to do all that which is the reason why they haven't had access to transcoders this whole time i know so creating a method for them to get it is actually cool i understand people are upset about this but the fact of the matter is twitch is not profitable hasn't been for a long time um they gotta do some stuff you know and like just expecting, expecting more money all the time with them carrying more weight all the time doesn't work when they never

made money in the first place. But that last bit is the fact that this whole thing is just obviously unsustainable. Yeah. So building new features basically amounts to figuring out how to offload more of your processing to your users it's like okay yeah good luck everybody so i i agree it's super cool and honestly if we could support it on floatplane i'm sure we would that'd be sweet yeah it'd be it'd be awesome like if you could just use you know obs and encode at 240p 360p 4, 480p, 720p, 1080p.

Oh, for streaming. Yeah, for streaming. Oh, no. I was thinking VOD for a second. Yeah, no, but if your card, and this is basically NVIDIA unlocking functionality that already existed on their professional cards, just more NVENC streams, which is good, which I fully support. I would like them to just unlock all of them another nice thing

they're all on there that comes with some yeah frustration i guess yeah yeah yeah so that's that's twitch google laid off about a thousand people discord laid off 170 people also about 17 of its staff and the laundry list of companies just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Tech and gaming just got ravaged. You mentioned, um, they haven't stopped getting ravaged since basically the,

I don't know what sort of the kind of the end of the lockdown period, essentially. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you mentioned game engine unity, unity. Yeah.

Unity got hit really hard. Is it really unity? if all the people are scattered to the high winds hey you got them um obviously a 25 of their staff yeah it's rough there's there's a huge list of companies that are taking like 10 to 25 staff hits i i was i was talking in the in the uh in the executive staff meeting a few weeks ago about how we need to change our messaging internally a little bit to be reflective of how hungry we're going to need to be this year. It's hard out there. It's hard out there. And so, you know, everyone's going to be...

Economy's rough. Money's not really flowing like it normally does. Yep. And so, you know, if we want to be sustainable... If we want to not do layoffs we have to understand that we need to work harder for every view we need to work harder for every screwdriver sale we need to we need to we need we got to get hungry um and i think that's that's probably something that taryn will craft into sort of a more a more comprehensive message and kind of work with everyone on and get all the managers to work with their teams on.

It's time to pump. Figure out what we need to do. We've weathered storms before, but it's time to go. Not like this. This is starting to look really bad between the way that money's not flowing freely anymore with interest rates being what they are with the way that you know it's it's it's a funny thing like you know oh inflation's like you know not bad anymore it's like right but but all the inflation that like

happened it didn't go away like everything is still more expensive yeah so i mean did did your hourly wage go up to match it before? Okay, so then this problem hasn't gone away at all just because inflation's leveling out. That's actually not how that works. It looks rough out there. Handyman, as he tends to be, was handy again with yet another link um layoffs.fyi i've heard of this site uh i think i clicked on it as like a middle click mouse wheel into another tab at home but never actually ended up looking at it you can filter so click the dropdown, do 2024. Yeah. 5,686 employees from 37 companies laid off this year.

It's been 12 days. We're 12 days in. We're not even two weeks in. Sheesh, dude. Google is a fifth of them almost. A thousand. Twitch. There's Twitch.

Okay. I have no idea what branch is is but i'm sure it's something there's a fair amount of these i have oh this is cool yeah you can filter by industry um all right rough etsy laid off a bunch of people. 11%. Intel, 311. I don't know what Intel. Tidal. Tidal laid off 10% of their workforce.

Rivian lost some. Cruise, 24%. Spotify, 1,500. I forgot about that one. Oh, here. Hold on. Why am I... sort by this oh what oh man i yeah i i guessed and i did the wrong one spotify 1500 that's wow vmware 2837

now this is every year now. Wow. Rough. And in other bad news, Valve has cracked down on a couple of fan projects recently. They asked the developer of Portal 64, a demake of Portal, playable on the Nintendo 64, to delist the project on GitHub, likely to avoid legal action from Nintendo. delist the project on github likely to avoid legal action from nintendo and the company likewise served github with a dmca takedown for team fortress source 2 a project aiming to port tf2 to the source 2 engine valve explicitly allows the creation and distribution of games based on its ips in the steam subscriber agreement including Black Mesa, which can be purchased on Steam, but notably the creator of Black Mesa received explicit approval from Valve.

Gary Newman, creator of Gary's Mod, speculated that Valve may have taken action simply because the game wasn't derivative, but a full copy of their existing game, including all of their assets. Discussion question here is, is Valve right in enforcing a certain boundary around their IP? Is this a fair line to draw? I i do think it's it is reasonable it's just more that valve has always been very permissive and so this may be coming as a bit of a surprise to these folks and it's a little frustrating that given that i've been aware of at least portal 64 for quite some time that they didn't say something earlier on in the process

that's kind of all i really have to say about it yeah yeah uh video games no longer the biggest entertainment medium in britain okay you you thought this one was really interesting for some reason i just video games have been the biggest entertainment medium for a long time. And I think being on the top is actually pretty important in regards to, you know, gaining eyeballs, interest, affordance, all that type of stuff. Affordance? Isn't that a thing? I love your words. Isn't that a thing?

Affordability, I think, is what you're looking for. affordability I think is what you're looking for affordance the quality or property of an object that defines its possible uses or makes clear how it can or should be used okay so it's a word that I used very improperly in 2023

I think you mean unproperly in 2023 video games were surpassed for the first time in over a decade as the UK's biggest entertainment medium in terms of revenue. Games are still growing as an industry, increasing year over year by 2.9%. I wonder what the population is increasing by. I suspect it's similar or even higher. However, video game content grew far faster at 10% compared to 2022.

Oh, driven primarily by streaming. Nacons, whatever that is, a head of publishing, recently theorized that part of gaming's recent struggles is due to a boom in the sheer volume of new titles as a result of overinvestment during the 2020 pandemic. He further stated that there's simply too many games for customers to be able to play steam saw a record total of over 14 000 game releases in 2023 though that was in part pushed by amateur game devs it is every year though um it's also partially in part of like uh just ai dialogue games that were just crapped out um yeah kind of kind of a rough one what i'm missing in the notes here and i didn't see in the rock paper shotgun article and i'm going to check the games industry.biz one is uh what is now what is number one yeah

yeah i don't actually i don't see that uh blah blah blah blah blah blah okay yeah no i don't actually I don't see that blah blah blah blah blah blah okay yeah no I don't I don't see it so maybe someone knows like music movies video streaming like I don't actually know but hopefully someone can let us know that

in other news Framework has been hacksawed Framework has been hacksawed. Oh, no. Framework has disclosed, and I need to disclose my investor thing. I didn't have it in the stupid ASUS sponsored CES videos. Uh-oh. I forgot.

Uh-oh. Sorry. I'm still invested in Framework. Framework has disclosed a data breach following a phishing attack against a third-party accountant working for Keating Consulting. The attacker used an email impersonating Framework's CEO to convince the accountant to share a sensitive spreadsheet associated with outstanding balances for Framework purchases. Framework has already notified customers whose personal information was leaked, including full name, email, and the balance owed. The company reportedly became aware of the breach

yesterday morning, roughly half an hour after it happened. Framework says that Keating consulting employees with access to Framework customer information will be required to complete phishing and social engineering attack training. Discussion question says, Disclosure, disclosure, disclosure. Are you confident in the way Framework dealt with this issue?

I'm just going to recuse myself. So we'll have Dan and Luke discuss it while I go to the bathroom. Laptop. Computer. Information leak. Don't do that. It's bad. Bad. Stock price.

Really, you guys? That's the best you can do? Well, our boss owns some of it. I don't know what to say. Hang on! Discussion question. Is Linus an idiot?

Is that on there? No. that'd be sick if it was um i don't think it could happen to anybody right yes that's kind of my take on this is uh we like we as a as a company whenever we do web entity stuff the forum floatplane everything else we've done we're taking this idea forward at the the labs website we try to take and retain as little of your stuff as possible while still being able to do the things that we need to do which does involve taking some of your stuff when it comes to information uh we need to be able to you know um figure out if we're serving you video properly uh we need to know some of your account details so that you can like recover your account if you need to and have your own personal account and those various

different types of things um but watch history for like a service of how how much how long did you watch this video for i know that's very popular on youtube and stuff like that too we've got that as well um like Like we capture that type of data, but not only is it possible that this type of thing could happen to us, it did quite a while ago. Some of the forum information, we don't know how much, we think a very small amount,

but we don't actually know. So we just told everybody, but some of the forum information was broken into, was hackzored. And yeah, also of the forum information was was broken into was hackzord um and yeah also on the forum we tried to have as little of it as possible that you didn't want to be there um like there was uh there was things that were highly elective you know um like you could but those were public on your profile so i don't think it really counts anyways this also doesn't look like it's uh negligence you know they had a no they had a spreadsheet that was i guess had lists of names like did it have their credit card information on the spreadsheet no balance it's just

personal information right uh i mean we've seen lots of other hacks and things like that where they get a hell of a lot more information plain text passwords emails addresses this is just names and money i think yeah yeah and it was a proper phishing attack again like like when you look at uh we we just looked at a website that was um people that have been laid off but there's have i been pwned that's a classic yeah um have i been pwned that's a classic yeah um have i been pwned is still around i'm jumping it up right now uh 740 pwned websites with 100 000 what is that 12 billion pwned accounts this stuff happens all the time um the jumping on here and seeing the like yeah recently added breaches uh hathaway uh

legendas i don't know what that is legendas.tv there's a lot of users there you guys know you're the absolute worst right constantly why i'll throw your chips across the room mean guy we did our best i think we did good once you left oh oh yeah just immediately uh immediately serious we can't be showing you up here lenis yeah yeah no we like it i don't know i'm not saying it's definitely not a good thing but like at this point in time if you're putting information at any point in time really but if you're putting information at any point in time, really, but if you're putting information on the internet,

um, you should know that there is a chance that that information can get hacked, leaked, et cetera. Um, and be prepared for the inevitable eventuality of it happening to some site that you have that information on. You don't necessarily know which one it's going to be.

You don't know how, you don't know why you don't know if you'll be included in the pile of accounts that do actually get some amount of data taken from them, whatever. But it's like, it's going to happen. So try to protect yourself as much as you can. That is very good.

Early quick disclosure is very important in these situations because users, as much as everyone tells them not to, they're going to have the same password across different platforms. So if the password is leaked, which it doesn't sound like it was in this case, but if a password is leaked, they need to be able to respond very quickly and change that. If other sensitive information is leaked, um, payment information, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's good for them to know if even just their name or something like that is leaked,

maybe, I don't think having association with framework is going to be a problem, but maybe having association with whatever service that is could be bad for them for some reason. I don't know. KAC Herp J1 says, learned my lesson from the Ashley Madison breach. So that's an example of what you were just talking about.

Yeah, yeah. Association with the service. But just in general, you don't necessarily know why it might be important to your users so don't mess around with it. Tell them as soon as you can. Is Ashley Madison still a thing? I have no idea. Apparently it is. Yes.

Life is short, have an affair. They even still have the same tagline. Why change it? The original extramarital dating site. 50 million members. There's no way those are all real. Yeah. Some time fraction of those are going to be real.

Yeah, so I don't know. It sucks, but... It's funny because extramarital sounds like super... Extremely marital. Extremely marital. Yeah. I am in a hyper marital relationship who knew that inflammable meant flammable you know geez yeah so i think that's all there is

to say on that um are we done should we do more of these or should we just jump into after dark we can do more of these there's some more i want to talk about lg's washing machine oh yeah where's that very bottom i want you to read this one because it's going to be fun i know this one actually oh that's a shame i was definitely keeping up with this one. An LG washing machine user recently found that his appliance was using 3.6 gigabytes a day. He joked that it was a download DLC, downloadable laundry cycles. Very funny. But also found that he couldn't disconnect the machine from the internet, only switch it to a different Wi-Fi signal. Eventually, he blocked the machine

via his router uh amazing so this isn't like it grabbed a big update this is continuous yeah encrypted something something what the f**k no idea but it's amazing someone found that it matched uh i think it was like yvonne lines uptime or something um which like i mean i can't look through the twitter thread because i'm not signed in and the site basically doesn't work anymore if you're not signed in. But yeah, people were trying to like kind of theorize what it was doing with obviously basically no information. And it was very funny that it basically followed Yvonne Lines uptime. But like, I seriously doubt that means anything. But yeah. Yeah.

Just having a ton of junk in your house on the internet is not great. Ugh. You know what's great? Land Show After Dark. Yeah. I'll do it. Eight percent. I waited for him to move a bit.

It's eight percent. I know it's eight percent. See, Luke, this is why we don't have to document anything. Because we all just know. That's how it works, right? I didn't know. Yeah, but Luke knew. Yeah, but Luke won't always be here.

Because I'm going to be the one to win the streak. I don't know about that. Yeah, it's going to be me. I'm going to win. How do you think that's going to happen? I mean, I moved to flight for this i have moved multiple flights and multiple vacations for this i have taken three wanshows in 2023 where while i was on vacation and i did it anyways as of yesterday i've made it even more to do this remotely, so now there's no excuse.

I don't know if anyone's winning. I think this is just a forever war. Yeah, we've already accounted for me to be on WAN show during my trip to Japan. Good, that's required. That's mandatory. We now will have both been in Japan and doing land shows. There you go. The latency is really bad.

Yeah, the latency is pretty rough. Yeah. All right, Dan, hit me. All right, let's see what we got. Hey, Dale. It was awesome being able to chat with Matt from procurement on the CES show floor. Obviously, there was a ton of AI products this year, but what stood out to you that didn't lean on AI?

There's a whole section about that. Yeah, we kind of talked about this earlier in the show. Notable non-AI demos. If we made a video about it, it stood out to us. I watched Adam's video on these cool flip back vr controllers so cool so it frees up your hands to do stuff and then you just flip them back and yeah right oh yeah i wasn't that into every get the haptics of that is haptics right term the no no but i understand what you mean ergonomics ergonomics. The feel.

Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like there's a better word. Probably. I don't know. If they get that right, that could feel amazing. Mm-hmm. Tactility says awkward chips. That's not bad.

Yeah. So that was pretty cool. I wasn't that into some of their accessories. They have a little mouth cone with a little spit absorber so that you can be less loud when you're in like vr chat i don't know i mean if you have a roommate that you're bothering or whatever i guess but i don't know just okay i don't think i need the spit collecting mouth cone yeah i think i'll avoid that i think I'll pass on that one, too. Oh, man. Hello, Danny and the Jets.

Was recently out to dinner with coworkers at a sports lounge slash bar, and they had a Super Chex. Didn't get a chance to play, but it looked amazing. Which model do you have, Linus? I have a Super Chex from the 90s. So not a Super Chex Pro and not an original Chex. It's a Super Chex. Hi, wanfam.dll. Linus spoke a few weeks ago

of a badminton racket gift that happened to land based on preferences. What are your racket specs and how do you get high-end rackets in Canada? I have a strong preference for head-heavy,

overall light rackets. So they're heavier at the head end versus the bottom. and that's a little bit better for attack it's a little bit better for generating power when you're driving or smashing um not that kind badminton rackets are not involved in that and as for the overall lightness i find it helps with defense uh just to be able to to move the head faster in order to hit the shots back over um so it was an astrox 99 was the one that um that i quite liked and then i right now i'm actually a

nano flare 700 guy so i have a handful of those that i keep strung up i forget what the rest of your question was oh i don't know yumo pro shop uh they're they're local um but they also have a web shop they Their shipping is super expensive because they ship in Canada. So, I mean, I get it. It's just how it is. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to get down to Richmond when they're open though, so I tend to have to order from them online. Does the Canadian government subsidize shipping?

No. Yeah. A lot of governments do, actually. People are chanting envelopes. Oh, right. Envelopes. Yes. I have no idea what this is. Yeah, I guess we'll open them. They're from Origin PC.

Yeah. And they look kind of holiday-y, and they're sitting on the WAN show set. I have no context for this whatsoever. I think they're Christmas cards, and they just showed up late. That's my theory. I have no idea. Happy holidays from Origin PC. Oh, wow.

They didn't even write anything on them. Okay. Sick. Thanks, guys. Now we know what was in them. Go ahead, Dan. Hey, guys. Linus, my big screen VR headset has finally got a label and is ready

to ship. How has your headset held up so far? Any dead pixels or such? No. Oh, shoot. That reminded me of something for a previous merch message. They were asking about cool stuff that wasn't AI. displays that used like silicon deposition rather than inkjet printing to achieve crazy densities i'm talking 3500 pixels per inch crazy bright there's this company um imagine hold, hold on, hold on. Imagine Samsung acquisition.

Samsung acquired them. They were in the, yeah, yeah, imagine. They acquired them for around $218 million. And, oh, man. So they had a 10,000-nit micro, I believe, OLED. I believe it was micro OLED display. That one didn't have the same density because it was done using the older um like printed style of uh manufacturing but these these new like like deposition ones they're not as bright yet but they're saying they'll have like a

fifth of the power consumption and once they can get the brightness up man these things are going to be flipping crazy for AR and VR displays and stuff like that. I'm very excited. Yeah, that's wicked. Because that level of pixels per inch, I'm not going to care in most scenarios. But when it's strapped right in front of my face, yeah, for sure.

LMG Southie in the chat says, oops, maybe shouldn't have left those on WAN set. Lol, who is LMG Southie in the chat says, oops, maybe shouldn't have left those on WAN set. Who is LMG Southie? Southie. I'm assuming the guy that works at the door. Southie? What is that? Oh, is it a handle?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Alrighty. Go ahead, Dan. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Hello, Luke, Dan, and Tech Tips Man. all righty go ahead dan uh yeah sure yeah hello luke dan and tech tips man my favorite part of ltx 2023 was the live wan show with the land center coming does that mean we may get some more live wan shows in the future with how close it is i feel like we would just do when here in the drive over yeah not to be that guy sorry but it's honestly way easier we would just do when here in the drive over yeah that

guy sorry but it's honestly way easier we'd save a lot of dance time oh my god you would yeah oh my god yeah in in unless stress for me opinion in the in the sake of saving an enormous amount of time and honestly for the people that aren't there probably making the show better we would just do it here and then drive over after i could put it up on a projector though

maybe i mean maybe but people are probably also just gonna want to game and uh yeah i don't know you're out of land you should be gaming yeah yeah yeah hi wanda dlo bought a 5950x to upgrade my am4 to make it a home server only to find out am4 lacks support for windows server as amd devil's advocate can you make up a reason that other than just go to buy epic no um i actually didn't know that is that on microsoft or is that on amd probably amd i would think um i know that server has very specialized qualifications for drivers and things like that right yeah sort of um like a lot of stuff will just run if you can convince it to install. There used to be files that you could just add new versions of Windows to, and it would just install and probably work perfectly. Are you sure that you can't just force an install?

People are saying they didn't know that in chat. When 10 and 11 drivers will work fine 99 of the time people are saying like yeah if you just if you just run if you just run the windows 10 and windows 11 installer will it just work because that was my experience the vast majority okay hey dinus duke and lan i am running for u.s house of representatives in 2026 we need more tech literate people in government see tiktok hearings if you could make or repeal any laws what would you guys do oh man i thought this one might be interesting one issue is we're not americans so yes we don't really i would definitely i would definitely start to look at liability for um personal information sharing like it should it should if you did it on purpose it should basically be the end of your company if you said

you wouldn't um like you i i just i don't really um i don't really understand why it's just this constant game of you know wrist slap and go back to doing it and wrist slap go back to doing it yeah um i'm also i'm also super not into the uneven handling of antitrust in the u.s like the way they went after microsoft and then just didn't go after other people on ass for 30 years 25 years or whatever it works out to just has made for 30 years, 25 years, or whatever it works out to, just has made no sense to me. Not that them going after Microsoft was necessarily bad or wrong, but if you were going to do that,

you should have treated the other companies the same way. Hi, LLD. Question for Linus. I'm a new dad. The the son is four months old it's not really a question do you have any advice on how to juggle being a father husband and working it gets very overwhelming some days thanks for the videos strap in baby um i mean it gets easier uh the first six months is from what i've seen so far the hardest at least until you get to teenage years which i've heard are very challenging but i'm not there yet um just that level of dependency is is really really tough. I'd say the biggest thing is be consistent. Set expectations. Set expectations with, you know, the kids. If you say you're going to do something, do it.

And, you know, be realistic. If you're not able to do something, you know, be upfront. If you say that something needs to be done, then hold to it until it is done, because otherwise it's just going to be a fight every time. And you know, it's the, it's the same with the spouse. You've got to negotiate, you gotta, you gotta compromise. And it's the same with work. You've got to set expectations. Like, look, I, I can't, I can't be there. Uh, and if, if the answer is, you know, well, then you're not going to be eligible for this promotion. Then you need to set expectations with yourself and understand that you have a balanced life that is not going to be 100 focused on career

and that's that's the choice you made and by the way it's worth it hey lld as a recent purchaser of a chevy volt i feel like the car is way ahead of its time what's your favorite piece of tech that felt ahead of its time and held that feeling long after release? The Chevy Volt. Easy. Hey, LLD, how's um... God.

That is usually his example to that question. It's his only example. It is fair. It's the best example. That car is like five six years old the one that I was driving I would still choose it over the vast majority of what's sitting on the lot

today if I was shopping for a car it's probably what I would get hey LLD how how does Mac address do in terms of value to LMmg and the ability to cover apple products given your relationship with them i think i think so like basically does having mac address get you more access to apple products no um i think that i think they might have gotten an email or something at some point maybe gotten on a call at some point i i'm i'm not that involved in the relationship management side with apple because that would be a terrible idea sorry i snorted um yeah oh sorry uh dan it's helpful if you leave the one we're talking about

up and don't archive it yet so that i I did. Oh, I don't see it. No, it's archived. Someone archived it. I didn't. Oh, all right. It must have been me. Normally, I leave them up. Anyway, yeah, I like to go back down.

No, you're good. No, no, no, no. I'm looking at it now. I'll be more mindful. How do you feel the Mac address channel doing in terms of value to LMG? I mean, I think it's been a really interesting study case study for us, you know, can we build a channel that isn't just covering PC tech with a slightly different face from a different perspective, or with, you know, kind of a different spin? And okay, yeah, Macs are personal computers as well. But I think it's got a really unique identity. And I think that there's a lot that we have learned. There's a lot that has gone really right. There erratic. And that's, there's no single point that we can, that we can look at and go,

okay, well, you know, here's, here's the problem. So there's a lot that's good. There's a lot that's not as good. There's a lot we've learned and no,

I, it hasn't helped my personal relationship with, you know, anyone at Apple. That's for sure. Hey, DLL with a baby on the way in March, any tech advice for a new parent? Maybe the best thing you had for your kids when they were infants. Just a basic baby monitor was all we needed.

We didn't go video or anything like that. I wanted to mention kind of the baby monitor thing. Don't, don't, just don't get an internet connected one. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go with that.

I want to, I want to say get the lizard, but I don't think that would be safe. The lizard. Baby monitor. As in, as in a monitor lizard. I got that face. please don't kill me uh ltd must guard its competitive edge but i but would linus ever

host classes or content on its guidelines or lessons learned for writing uh people management or workflows tech adjacent tips always interested me the land show i mean i'm an open book guys you can you can ask me anything in a merch message and assuming you you know buy enough stuff then i'll don't know it's not how it works actually but um yeah i i don't consider that to be a competitive edge guarding thing you know i've always taken a very similar approach to mr beast where my advice might not be as good as his you know he's clearly been more successful than i have in terms of attracting eyeballs to his content um but i i i'm open with it if anyone asks me anything i'm always happy to give the best answer i can sometimes people ask questions that i can't answer like hey linus how

do i stand out i'm like i don't know. How do you stand out? There is limitations to the format as there is with pretty much every format. But we talk lots about sort of business philosophy, which, you know, sometimes does great for us and other times I feel like bites us in the butt. Like I think our, I've talked a lot about how I think our overall approach to transparency

ends up harming us more than it helps us yep we're not going to change though i it's just it's it's part of the dna like it or not um as for like writing and workflows like i i actually i shared a little while ago our our uh laws, uh, laws of writing good videos. Like that's, that's it. That's, that's what we do. You can, that's a formula that you can take and you can apply for sure. I don't remember which WAN show it was in, but there's that site that you can search WAN show transcripts or something like that.

So you could probably, you could probably find it. Um, Colton's been wanting me to do a course like a like a formal course forever we wouldn't even have to publish it on a third-party site like Skillshare or whatever we could just publish it on floatplane but I just um I haven't gotten around to it and a big part of that is I just I don't know I feel like if people really want to know that like I'll just I'll tell you just I don't know ask me and we'll we'll get it we'll get it sorted out hi awan.dll um hold on this is the same one as before at conventions like ces is it difficult to deal with people coming up to you um it's mostly can be kind of depends on timing and i find personally yeah it's mostly like context i think that uh no disrespect intended but a lot of the time um you know the tech

community is my people and sometimes we are not always the most socially aware. Like, okay, okay, this is great. This video is not up yet, but there's our video on back-to-front motherboards in the Corsair suite. Der Bauer showed up and started recording a bit where like, obviously I was going to be in his video. And it took me a full, probably five minutes before, after I had like appeared in his thing to realize that I should probably invite him to be in ours.

That I was in the middle of shooting, not because I meant any disrespect or because I didn't want him in the video. Focused. I just hyper focus. Right. Like I do. right like i just so i i so i realized before he left and i and i uh and i like kind of quickly came up with a way that even though my content was scripted i had spent the first couple of hours in the suite researching writing and um and throwing it on the teleprompter so it's all written by me but it's scripted and i kind of figured out a spot where I could throw in sort of a natural looking conversation with him.

And fortunately, I caught him before he left. But he could have easily left and I would have just rudely not reciprocated. Again, not because we're not cordial or not because I didn't want him in the video, just because I was completely oblivious. And I find that sometimes my peeps can be a little oblivious if i'm walking briskly no i don't have a lot of time um and it's you know if you can if you can if you can walk and selfie you know cool yeah let's let's do it let's do it brother but like Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it, brother.

But, like, you know, don't try and do a product demo for me. Like, it's cues like that. Or if the conversation seems over, you know. Yeah. Like, you're not saying anything anymore and i said you know have a great ces take off you know yeah and i was like i i'm not you know mad or anything it's just and i get it it's it's just it can be a really high nerves moment yeah it can be a lot to deal with um but yeah so yeah it's fine um like i you know if i didn't if i didn't like the attention it's not like i couldn't just not go to conventions it's

not like i couldn't just not do this career anymore like obviously it's all right like i you know i like seeing the community out there i'm sure at your channel size you could request that booths are like vacated while you're there oh absolutely um it's totally sure that you could move more incognito i tell people not to yeah yeah like they'll they'll ask like do you want everything roped off i'm like no i don't want things are roped off i want it to look like i'm at a freaking trade show i'm at a trade show am i not yeah most people have enough of a clue to not walk up in the middle of a rolling camera still happens it does happen yeah i even had people say like i know you're in the middle of a shot but i just wanted to say hi and i was like cool like if you're another creator and we have

some kind of an existing relationship by all means had that happen and and it was good and i've done that to other people. In fact, I popped into Roby Tech's video, which he might have cut out because I made some comment about Epstein's flight list or something. I'm not sure. Poor Roby, dude. Why?

Why are you like this? Oh yeah, you come do it to us, but if I see you... I forget why. It was like, oh man, what was the logic? It was like, well, now that you're associated with me, you're going to get dragged down into my chasm of cancellation. So it was something like that. Yeah, that's rough.

It's great. Yeah, he's great. support you anywho uh let's see get that one out of the way i have been an electrical engineer for over a year now but i'm not sure i actually enjoy engineering particularly for a company that's just trying to drive profits any advice don't work for a company then's just trying to drive profits. Any advice? Don't work for a company then, because that's what they do. Yeah, so I... If they're not profitable, they don't exist. And if they don't exist, your job doesn't exist.

So I was going to plan on being a little bit nicer about it, but effectively get the exact same message through. Or do your own thing. And you might not have the capital right now, you know, but you can start small, you can start on the side you know build a company that runs the way you want it to run but those are your only options you can work for someone else and kind of deal with some of their bullshit or you can take your ball and go home company has to make profit or else they won't be able to pay you but you might also be able to look around

and find another company who's like mission statement or drive or whatever better aligns with things that make your soul happy or whatever. Find a mission that speaks to you. Yeah. So like if you're working at a company that's like, yeah, we don't care. It's just money.

We just want money, which there's a bunch of those. And you might like that. But if you're working at a company like that. We would harvest the fingernails there's a bunch of those. Um, and you might like that, but if you're working at a company, you would harvest the fingernails from babies. If they made our cars go faster, you know, like there's companies like that. There are legit. That sounds like an exaggeration, but there, there, nothing would surprise me after that eBay thing. Oh, there's way worse though. Yeah. Anyways. Um, but you might be able to look around. You might have to take a little bit less money because companies doing that are very likely, you know, I mean, they're not hunting profits as hard. So they're very likely doing things that are less profitable. Therefore, they very likely have less money.

But if you can accept the hidden cash, you might be able to work somewhere that. Mr. Worldwide asks, is making a company really practical as an electrical engineer well it depends what kind of scale you're trying to operate on i mean you yeah absolutely we we bought um bought i don't know they might have sent them but they sell them for sure to other people but we got these really cool uh custom pcie gen four risers i think they were were they gen five compatible i don't know they were really cool basically there's like a guy who makes these pci express extenders that we used in our one new gaming systems for the for the land center uh we call we called uh we called them out in the video but as far as we can tell it's a guy

who designs these things and sells them probably an electrical engineer or electronics engineer which i actually did not know was a different thing until probably like six years ago five five five or six years ago when i um started playing badminton with an electronics engineer who got upset when i said when I introduced her to someone else as an electrical engineer. She's like, um, actually. And I was like, oh, my deepest, most sincere apologies. I thought they were just like different sides of the same coin. I thought it was the same overarching term.

I feel like she probably gets that a lot. Yeah, probably. Because I bet you most people think they're the same thing. Well, she runs a pet store now, so I don't even know her issue is. It's like, you don't even do any electronics engineering. I still earned this. I mean, one of my family members is a fully qualified lawyer, passing the bar and everything. He realized, I don't like being a lawyer, and now he plays billiards professionally, and he sells jet skis so like weird weird man he's like bar passion everything fully qualified lawyer he's

like i want to play poker so it'd be you that's fantastic smart people tend to find ways to do stuff it's been very successful yeah yeah but Yeah. But yeah, anyways, you're going to be somewhere that cares about profit or you're going to be working at a non-profit. And some not-for-profits are still pretty money-hungry. Or extremely

profit-focused. Just in a different way. So, yeah. Maybe start shopping for another job. It might be more based around the place that you're currently working instead of the career. Yeah. All right.

Has any megacorp like Microsoft with the recent login issue ever responded to you chastising them on camera for annoying long term? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Including Microsoft. Including Microsoft. I would say Microsoft's response was pretty good every time I saw it. I don't think they've actually fixed the modern standby thing, though. Oh, well, that sucks.

Yeah, there's that. As for that login issue in the recent short circuit, man, it's freaking hilarious. That stupid loop login issue on Halo Infinite, if you're trying to switch accounts it'll be like i don't know the password uh forgot password can't do that switch accounts and it'll just it'll just loop around you i can't get out of it unless you can log into that account or you go delete some stupid like credential saved in credential manager and windows freaking ridiculous how about this how about just just none of this that that's an option i mean i bought the game on steam you know who i am um yeah yeah anyway there might be some reason why this is

bad or something but because you have to log into the stupid thing i am logged into whatever the xbox account i'm logged into all the various Windows gaming junk on my computer because I was trying to trying to somehow get Forza multiplayer to function without uh falling apart completely uh which I wasn't successful at um why why can't I just grab the login from that the teams one that we talked about last week is probably the one that makes me the most angry yeah when it logs me out which I never asked it do, and then I need it to go away right now and you can't close it. It'll just keep reopening until you re-authenticate.

Also, there's a bug in Teams where if you click, it'll prompt you for text or for SMS or phone call. And if you click it right away or something, it doesn't work until you close it and then click it or something. Do you know the one I'm talking about? i i've ran into that yeah like that's been there for years long time yeah yeah like it's like it's like people at microsoft don't use

their own software anything like that should be solved within a week if they're using the software based on just how avoidable and how obnoxious it is this was like probably five years ago so it's been quite a while but i knew a team at microsoft that used slack this was a long time ago i have no idea if that's still a thing all right hey luke how do you feel about eod filing being removed from tarkov oh also your thoughts on tarkov right now as a whole cheers guys uh i guess yeah i don't know the eod being removed from tarkov thing i i don't know if i care um what is the eod thing end of day it's uh edge of darkness i think it stands for uh and it was just like a fancy expensive version of the game that you could buy that like you had more storage space in the game and things like that.

I don't know if it really matters. As far as my understanding goes, a lot of the cheaters just bought non EOD accounts anyways. And that the only thing I really care about with the game, um, in regards to that, I guess would be anything they can do to reduce cheaters. Um, and they're not doing enough. So I don't really care if they turned off EOD or not, if they still haven't, you know, done a lot for cheaters.

Um, it also gave you access to all future DLC, like arena. Okay. Uh, they've released one thing since they launched EOD. They launched EOD what like eight years ago or something and there's been one thing for $20?

So I'm going to save $20 eight years from now? Like, I don't know. Personally, them turning off EOD, I don't think it matters for the community at all. Maybe someone disagrees and maybe there's some reason, whatever.

The current wipe, I am actually playing it. There are a bunch of cheaters still. They're very easy to find. They added a thing where you can view the profile of the person that killed you. And you can see their KD, how old their account is, all these other various things, which is very interesting, except it combines. This is not going to make sense to either of these guys, but it combines your your PMC and your scav stats together in that view. So cheaters can tank their KDs by just going and dying on a scav because you can't view their PMC specific stats, which is just like, I don't know. There's these things that are just annoying.

There's still, it's still very easy ways to detect them like viewing their account on flea and stuff like that. There is a lot of really great things in the current patch. This has been a very fun wipe to play. I don't know if I'm going to end up playing the whole thing or not. There's some things that are already feeling pretty painful. Like the, the armor changes,

they have actual plates in the game now that you can take in and out of um like armor carriers and whatever else that is cool uh except it's like super bugged in a bunch of different ways because of course it is um you can see pmc specific stats yeah i think that's for yourself i don't think that's for the other people um maybe i'm wrong about that i know you can see that for yourself you can see scav pmc and overall combined but i think for other people you can only see their overall uh vaulting is a great addition to the game they did some changes to recoil which feel fantastic they did some changes to uh ammo that's found in raid and and what ammo you can put on the flea and that all actually seems to

be an improvement to me different changes to the hideout including hall of fame and the weapon rack both seem fantastic um a bunch of different things that feel better the game's still riddled with cheaters and hey take that take that back i used to be a hatchling back in the early day did you play i did yeah right when it came out it was like the new hotness, right? Yeah. But I never got to the point of meta that you did, which is very interesting to see, to be perfectly honest.

Yeah, I can't, I wish I could, I wish I could fully permanently quit Tarkov because... Yeah. Boy, is it a frustrating game to enjoy but i hate those i keep i keep coming back do you want another one yeah hey lld i saw linus review of the pixel 8 on short circuit and has made me consider swapping back to android i saw that the photos look great in the video. How much has Luke's experience reflected this? Oh, um, I'm not so much of a photo taker and my feelings on phones are going

to be very boring to you if you want reviews out of them. Um, I mostly just want it to get out of my way and it has successfully done that to be honest. Um, my main complaints would be about the form factor. I kind of wish I bought the smaller one, but that's also becoming less of an issue over time because I just don't really care that much. I have had no issues with bugs, which is nice. It seems like a very good phone.

I don't know. It seems like a great phone. I just, my amount of cares for phones these days is not super high what do you think of the current state of the internet where everyone is mostly going on like five big platforms and websites blogs and forums are visited not that often by average people i mean i think it was better before Google search got so much worse. Like I feel like, um, that really does seem to be the core problem. Yeah.

They will, it's a combination of them trying to give you the result right under your search query rather than clicking through to actually, you know, read anything or give a visit to the site that the information was pulled from. anything or give a visit to the site that the information was pulled from and um and just generally being less useful like man is it ever full of ads and sponsored posts and just it's like it's hard to even remember how good it was before um yeah i know there's no there's no doubt that it's a huge problem and we saw this when with the reddit uprising that ended up being not even an uprising at all yeah yeah it it seems like um it seems like we're in kind of like a lock-in for the first time of the internet there's certain sites that just seem like they will like never go away oh with my pixel no i've

had no issues with people people are saying um any wi-fi slash data slash connection issues no not at all um and i've actually been i've been playing a ton of pokemon go so i can get out for walks um i think it was last weekend i walked i think it was 16 kilometers on saturday alone um and have had zero issues whatsoever. So, yeah, no. No problems there. It's been honestly, in regards to bugs and issues like that, it has been flawless. Zero problems in that regard at all. In your AW2725DF review, you shocked with how much better you were tracking in Halo.

Were you aware that Halo added aim assist for mouse? Do you think this is a good thing for the future of FPS games? I was not aware. I'm honestly not that big into it for future of FPS games. But what I will say

is that I went home and played some more Alien, some more Alien, some more Halo Infinite at home and was not playing as well. So I don't think it's purely that. Hi, Wayne.dl. Mind-blowing seeing Thunderbolt share.

Assuming it's specific to blue CPU and GPU, but do you think this will be the push Intel's GPUs need? What are the implications for the industry and businesses? I think this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what this could be used for, especially if Thunderbolt gets to the level of ubiquity that I would like to see it at. As for being specific to blue CPU and GPU, actually, I do not think that is the case.

It's software-based, so right now it's only for Thunderbolt-certified computers. I think it is not impossible that eventually Intel could gift this to USB-IF the same way that they did the Thunderbolt 3 specification in the first place. As for the GPU, though, that is not Intel specific. You could have a different GPU in the system, no problem, and Thunderbolt share would work exactly the same way it does now, theoretically. It's all alpha right now though. Linus was buying the TCL 115 inch TV.

The only time you felt buyer's remorse. Um, I don't actually have any buyer's remorse. That's I guess I'm just a really good actor. Uh, it was, it's mostly a hook for the video. It's an excuse to talk about high senses,

um, potentially better TV, but here's the thing. It's an excuse to talk about Hisense's Potentially better TV, but here's the thing Hisense's TV is not out Yeah, Samsung's TV will probably cost many times what the TCL one did Hisense's TV is also smaller And I'm watching content on my TCL right now. I'm actually stoked on that purchase. It's a wicked TV It's like kind of amazing. I on that purchase it's a wicked tv it's like kind of amazing i freaking love it honestly the story attached to it is super cool yeah yeah the fact that it's like my smuggled tv um and you know before you before you call me out on this i don't think i don't think a throwaway line in a video like doing show coverage of another tv that has better on paper specs where I say, so this is what buyer's remorse feels like is I don't think it's dishonest. I think it's just one of those things where it's like I'm playing a bit of a character sometimes in videos and I could I could see someone being frustrated that they bought a TV in December and then forgot about CES in January when all the cool new stuff is going to get announced.

But no, I'm not. I'm not upset. Hey, WAN.PNG, how have you... Sorry, I forgot my rule. Hey, WAN.PNG, have you all been able to enjoy tech for what it is and not, like, instantly start thinking about how you would script it into a new video? No. Even me. Oh, that's hard.

And I've been out of it for years. I still see stuff and go like, oh, video idea. Like it's just drilled into my brain hole. Do you still get the same like rush? Because you just went video idea. Like, does it still feel like that kind of yeah and then i'll literally like sit there and try to break down like okay am i just excited about this because i like this thing or does this fit like the audience that

we have blah blah blah blah blah blah blah start analyzing it linus looks really proud actually i'll often proud face fire off ideas like that to different writers on the team exactly the same amazing and sometimes they either end up becoming a video however long later or they don't i don't know i went on dlm it's 6 a.m in denmark and my so is annoyed i got out of bed just to send this message what are some dreams or wishes that you have for yourself or loved ones? Any long-term goals perhaps? I want my kids to be able to find a community. I talked about this a little bit before how I'm deeply concerned that their entire peer group is going to move away from the Vancouver area and they're going to be left with nobody that they grew up with.

And I got to say for me, hanging around with people I grew up with honestly hasn't been that big of a deal like I I don't miss it that much I'm kind of not really a people person anyway um but there are times when I'm like oh man yeah it would have been cool to stay connected and I would I don't want them to miss out especially if they are more people person-y I also want Yvonne to be able to cut back. I, um, just because I subject myself to this forever, it doesn't mean that she should be subjected to this forever. I think that, um, there's been a little bit of a renewed conversation around YouTuber burnout over the last couple of weeks. Uh, we saw Tom Scott, uh, hang it up. We saw Matt Pat hang it up.

Um, and you know, people, people have asked me before I've had a lot of conversations about this actually it's like you know how you know how do you keep doing this or like I'll talk to people who are relatively new to the game they'll be like yeah yeah I could do this forever I'm like yeah well pace yourself this career is a it's a destroyer it's it's it's a ton of weight, just having that constant scrutiny. You can't go home from work and ignore everything. Yeah, and especially once you reach a certain level, which obviously was the goal, right? It's to win the game, to get good.

But once you reach a certain level, I always feel watched in public. You are? Yeah. And that's not weird paranoia because anyone who's ever built a computer, basically, and no, not really, but when I walk around somewhere like a CES

or I walk around a Best Buy, like when I'm driving somewhere like a CES or walk around a Best Buy. Like when I'm driving down the street, I'm like, can I pick my nose right now? You know, right? Like I, yeah, Jay's stepping back for health. That's another one. So it's, yeah, it's tough. I want Yvonne to be able to cut back that's that's a personal goal yeah hey dll how do you guys stay organized to do lists uh efficiency calendar

management zero inbox calendar management's huge for me uh And Teams and Slack both support a feature where you can send yourself personal messages. I used to do the thing that I got from Linus, which was I would email myself all the time. But sometimes in certain scenarios, the ideas would be flowing quick. I'd be kind of spamming myself with emails and it would bury other stuff. I'd be kind of spamming myself with emails and it would bury other stuff. So I prefer PMing myself on chat applications that support it, which are the work ones, luckily, and both of them. So I do that now. I don't send myself emails anymore.

I do sometimes technically, and I don't know how I would define the difference there, but sometimes it makes more sense to me to send an email to myself than to send a chat message i i can't communicate the difference but i i do understand it internally so i don't know whatever and let's see hey dillo what is one non-tech skill that you're proud of having what is one non-tech skill you wish you had? I enjoy playing musical instruments, but I always wished I had more visual artistry skills. Hmm.

That's a good deal on a WAN hoodie. I guess they used the credit from the backpack. Oh. Anywho. That was a merch message. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we're both thinking. Trying to think of any non-tech skills I have. I do like three things.

I play badminton, which I'm okay at. I do this and I hang out with my family. You're a really good husband. Yeah, I'm great at sex. There you have it. Slash ass. Ex. Got him.

And a non-tech skill? How'd you know that was a tech skill? Got my robotic ding-a-ling. I just assumed, you know that was a tech skill? I got my robotic ding-a-ling. I just assumed, you know. Here at CES. Didn't I do that one year? I think I did that one year. I think I actually did that one year.

Really? I got a little run with it with CES content. Oh, yeah? Yeah, that might be true. I'm pretty sure i did that one year though moving on shall we just move on uh i'm i'm pretty quick at folding laundry nice you know nice it's one of my chores i was out of tech skill that i have no idea um skill that i wish i had i i have always kind of felt this way. I wish I had faster reaction time I

Don't think my reaction time is particularly bad But I think reaction time applies to kicks my ass at like everything so like just so many things in life like so many Lexus yeah alright Well now I feel bad Why? Because you beat me at like everything. You also beat me at a bunch of stuff.

Super Chex. We're going to play Super Chex tonight and you're going to smash. You beat me two weeks ago. Yeah. It's not purely reflex based though, is it? No. No, but reflexes improve so many things. Yeah.

So many things. So many things. So many different games actually. So many things. So many things. So many different games actually. Oh, wow. He is slow. I just didn't dodge that. That was Archangel of Death that made me do that in the float plane chat. I got a mug here.

Reflexes. If you can dodge a mug, dodge a mug. You can dodge a ball. I might dodge that one. I don't know. I think they apply to... I think far more games are really just who has better reflexes than people actually realize. No.

Yeah. No. No. No. Hell no. No, no, no. No, I do not win at Super Checks because of my reflexes. No, I'm not win at Super Checks because of my reflexes. No, I'm not saying that.

I just mean, like, I can't even think of a game that you just win from reflexes. Strong disagree. I think you might be underestimating how much reflexes play a role in a game like Super Checks. Oh, no, no, I absolutely agree that they play a role, but I think that you could have much lower, I think you could have much higher response times and do a lot with cutting down angles. That's because, as we've talked about, Super Chex has a significant amount more of strategy and skill component

than a lot of those types of games. Sure, but like what games? Name a game. He's got nothing. the standard air hockey one no way tons of that is reflexes sure but tons of it is also precision yeah but a huge you play in tonight game is reflex if you play good enough shots you don't need defense so so reflexes can't be more than a half of the game that's a worse statement than my statement well your statement's terrible conrad's trying to say badminton ooh yeah no i don't think so to

be honest i think badminton probably takes this might be a really hot take that you might disagree with i think badminton might take less reflexes than most people think when they watch it i think it takes more strategy and planning and pre-positioning and stuff like that so it's a huge part of it is preparation yeah if you start swinging for when you're defending especially at a high level if you start swinging for the defensive shot when your opponent strikes the shuttle you are too late you have to be swinging already and then they strike then you reposition then you hit um so yeah reflexes is not enough not even close you have to prepare ahead of time yeah and i mean i'm sure any baseball hitter will tell you the same thing it's like

it's not part of it is like it's mental like it's it's got it's trying to read the other player it's like you can't just rely on reflexes so so raging ozaru said so bad drivers are more likely to have bad reflexes i don't know about that i think i'm getting hamburger hotdogged right now pretty hard just just putting that out there just saying you're just completely getting rid of skill component to everything luke that's that's this point, though, is I think people are taking it that way, which is literally not at all what I said. Chewy says, our community manager says, part of it's mental, part of it's anabolic steroids.

Ha ha ha ha! Oh my goodness. Jeez. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Based. oh my goodness um jeez wow yeah yeah based okay all right what else we got i'm gonna stop talking about it now but yeah i wish i could i wish i could yeah i think all of us understood what he's preparing that's what's going to help this time. Terrible. Had to volleyball header it. That's not volleyball. I do... Football.

Yeah, there we go. Good job. Gotta play some footy. Hi, DLL. Maybe that's the skill I actually want. Yeah, you just want to hit things with your head? Maybe I want to have not hit so hit things with your head maybe i want to have not hit so many things with my uh that's right hi dll.exe pronounced x e thanks for being

awesome at luke do you think there is a benefit in itil certification if looking to pivot careers into it uh i would look at it jobs that you want or think you would be able to get based on your previously existing experience in education slash the experience in education that you will gain before you start looking and look into what they need. Certifications can be good, but what certifications different companies want can vary quite a bit. A decent amount of them might not even necessarily be looking for any, or if they don't list any, they might still see certifications and see it as a benefit, even though they're not listing it. The things that people look for is quite varied. I personally really like seeing home lab when I'm looking for people for IT stuff. It varies a lot. So I can't really necessarily say yes or no i don't think it would hurt but i also think there

there there might be better ways of doing so it's it's not a bad thing it's a good thing um could you just get into that workforce now and be gaining experience which might be even better and maybe you get that certification while you are on the job. Maybe. If that's not possible, maybe go get the cert. It ranges. Hey, LDD. Who has given you the best tech advice that you weren't expecting? Sorry, who is this? Linus, Duke, and Dan?

I guess so. Or LDD, so that would be Dynus, Duke, and Lan. Oh, I've had that a couple times. I think that's the new one. Dynus. I think that's the new one. Dynas. I like that. Who's given you the best tech advice that you weren't expecting?

Wasn't planning on buying this, but let's go. I've got to swag it. I archived. I curated this, but I couldn't think of an answer. The best tech advice you weren't expecting yeah i'm usually the hard part i'm usually expecting tech advice from the kinds of people who can give me tech advice like sure i've gotten lots of great tech advice from wendell but like you walk into a room and you should be expecting tech advice from wendell so you know i got something i can't think of what

it is the first person that jumped in my mind was Wendell. Yeah, I know. I just like stealing your answers for things. But I was like, yeah, it's too expected. I think I have one, though. Okay. Little man, your son. Oh. There was a, I don't remember what it was. It was something either to do with Discord or Minecraft.

And he was like, I think they were having some trouble with something. And I had been asked to look into it, and I was like, I don't know anything about Minecraft, and he ran up and just fixed it. And I was like, wow. Yeah, he does know his Minecraft nonsense pretty good. Yeah, and this was like two years ago, I think. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Minecraft is the only reason he knows how to type.

But he can, like, touch type. It's like, oh, okay. For me, it was MSN Messenger. For him, it's Minecraft. Got it. Actually, it was The Palace, if I'm being 100% accurate. The Palace is why I learned to type. And the reason was because people's messages were fleeting.

Oh. So you had your avatar sitting next to each other. And as far as I could tell, I don't remember it anymore, but maybe there was a way to see the history for the room, whether there was or wasn't. It was definitely beneficial if you wanted to keep up with the flow of conversation, especially because I'm a multi-message sender, so I will tee it up,

and then I'll follow with a punchline as two messages. So I've got to be quick if I want to do that before they get a chance to respond to the first thing i said so it's a stupid thing but yeah i can definitely type um but yeah no he can type and it seems to be because he doesn't have voice chat with randoms so he uses text chat a lot in game that makes sense that leads peak yeah and that's it for the show we've got that end of the band show thank you so much for tuning in, guys. There's still a little bit of CES coverage coming.

There's that BTF video that I talked about. You're definitely going to want to check that out. There's the AI roundup. You're definitely going to want to check that out. I think there's still some more Short Circuit. It's a good thing the show's over. There's some Short Circuit videos coming. We've got a lot of good stuff lined up.

Make sure you don't miss it this weekend and we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye I'm going to a curling tournament tomorrow oh Oh. Oh, Lounge Pants had a nice little launch.