The WAN Show - Lab Naming Controversy - WAN Show August 26, 2022

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

Get a $100 60-day credit on your new account at: http://linode.com/wan Make compliance easy with Kolide at: https://www.kolide.com/WAN Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119 - Note: Timestamps may be off due to change in sponsors) 0:00 Chapters 1:22 NEW Intro 1:48 Topic #1 - LAB32's backstory & name conflict 3:06 Linus's conversation with Sara from LAB22 6:12 LAB32's drafted branding 8:52 Gary's update for lab tests 9:24 Topic #2 - Luke's experience with TELUS 11:28 Luke's TV, spam marketing calls 15:42 Internet cut-outs stories 18:04 Deals, costs, do not call list 23:52 Reminders to call, old plans 25:03 Topic #3 - VESA's DisplayHDR & ClearMR 29:24 Explaining ClearMR tiers 31:28 Samsung's & LG's statements, Twitter uncertainty 35:24 Testing methodology, Linus's thoughts, scoring 40:03 Discussing games, FF VI's 1/6th scale statue 43:54 LTT screwdriver process, shipped to Project Farm 48:54 Screwdriver pop-up shop stream 49:48 Lab update, tests, systems 55:18 Responses to PSU tester video 1:01:22 LTTStore discount 1:02:40 Topic #4 - Linus in the Steam Deck Booklet 1:05:26 Discussing the point of the booklet & its content 1:11:15 Sponsors 1:13:42 Luke on merch messages as "ads" 1:15:54 Twitch controversy 1:17:09 Most embarrassing childhood phase 1:20:20 Linus's high-school, climbing events, grandparents 1:28:06 Linus fights Dennis on CSF 1:31:30 LMG Clips comments, Linus's funds in videos 1:37:25 Topic #5 - Starlink V2 connects to cellphones 1:42:36 Luke birds update 1:46:48 Discussing canary usage in coal mine 1:48:39 Canary resuscitator 1:49:58 Merch Messages #1 1:50:03 Lab accreditation, gaming SSD, CAT# tests 1:54:08 Most memorable tech experience from Japan 1:57:18 Starlink latency viability in Australia 1:58:52 Why manual LTT screwdriver over electric 2:00:36 Hiding unannounced LTT products, Linus on pop-up shop 2:07:34 Strawpoll: screwdriver pop-up stream date 2:11:46 Strawpoll result 2:15:12 Screwdriver warranty description, pre-orders limits 2:19:11 Lack of warranty on bits, price for packs 2:22:46 Topic #6 - Clearing up last WAN's Apple story 2:26:44 Luke on Apple asking _once_ to track overall apps 2:31:33 LMG hiring employees 2:32:12 Topic #7 - Twitch accused of divided judgment 2:34:16 Topic #8 - Apple extends self-service program 2:37:02 Topic #9 - Gaming hardware prices are WAY up 2:38:28 Playstation increases prices by up to 20% 2:39:43 Sony sued for overpricing games 2:42:58 Merch Messages #2 2:43:11 Handling getting interrupted by a workflow 2:44:06 Tech that we consider life-changing 2:46:03 Was LTT approached by YT for an original series? 2:47:11 What we should know about Linus & Luke 2:50:24 Linus on cloud data 2:51:34 Was Linus a NASCAR fan? 2:52:09 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How y'all doing everybody? Happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show! We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today. No, no, no, really. There's actually a lot that has been going on this week. One of the big pieces of news is that our Lab32 branding for LTT Labs, well, might have gotten a little awkward as some of you messaged me about this week, so we have been hard at work on that behind the scenes and we'll have an update for you guys. Also, we... Okay, no, no... Ooh! VESA has created Clear MR certification to replace response time grading.

If that sounded like jargon to you, don't worry. It's super cool, and we're going to get a little bit more into it later. What else we got? Valve releases Steam Deck booklet, and gaming hardware prices are just whack right now. Okay, you made the Steam Deck booklet sound really boring, but there's a ton of cool nuggets, and guess who's in it why are you why are you in it not by name not by name apparently they didn't think i was cool enough to actually put my name in it but i'm definitely in it i'm gonna talk about that later it's actually like a pretty exciting moment for me let's roll that intro oh no i've seen it before i've seen it before it's very good i should have looked at it

why don't we jump right into our first topic? Thank you, thank you, Frandle Wendell, for the WAN Show intro. Yeah, thank you. Totally hilarious. Loved it. Thank you very much for sending that over. Lab 22. No, you did not mishear me. I said Lab 22. Let's go ahead and jump over to my screen real quick here, go ahead and jump over to my screen real quick here where I've got the one and only Sara Dietschy rhymes with peachy announcing Lab 22.

Her lineup of stands for the iPhone, iPad, and, well, really any headphones. It doesn't have to be Apple headphones. You can see she put a pair of Sony headphones on there with the Lab 22 branding now live on Kickstarter and all seriousness, these things look super cool. Uh, they were built in collaboration with,

uh, crap moment. That's right. Moment. And this is a super outdated tweet because they have absolutely annihilated their Kickstarter funding target. Um, 340,000adian rubles so huge congratulations to sarah on this

fantastic launch of these products and uh um oh the timing though to be clear sarah's been at work on this for over a year okay we've been at work on the lab for i mean it's been it's it it's been a twinkle in my eye for for years at this point but the branding actually only started to come together in the last like weeks so with absolutely no knowledge that she was working on this whatsoever we were like oh man you know what would be really cool lab 32 okay there's that chrono trigger lab uh there's the potential to retcon the meaning of ltd if we ever decide to abbreviation is still ltd take linus's name out of it and make it more just like the the Lab32LTT. There was all this like, it had all this stuff.

Base 8 math. It had all this stuff going for it, right? And then, oh no, it is awfully similar to Lab22. So obviously, as soon as I saw people tweet at me about it, the first thing that I did was contact Sarah. Fortunately, she's someone that we are in touch with. We've worked with her a number of times in the past. I consider her maybe not a friend. I don't know. We're not like super close, but I wouldn't withhold information. I feel like I can speak very openly with her. So I'd say she's an industry

friend. And so we were able to have a quick email exchange about it. We're going to talk in more detail on Monday. But initially, I just want to shout her out for being absolutely amazing about the whole thing because she was absolutely working on this before us. I want to make that extremely clear. And her response, tentative, temporary placeholder response. I'm not going to hold her to any of this. But her response after I explained what our long-term goal is for the lab, what our mission is for it, the fact that we could very well have physical merchandise

with lab branding as part of funding our expansion. Lab 32 could test Lab 22 products at some point. Right? I mean, you know, and, you know, obviously this is a really big deal for her, right? Like she's launching a brand. And it's going well. The first thing she said back to me,

and it just like massive shout out, Sarah, for being super cool is your main product is pretty far off. And with supporting merch being clothing, I don't see how that interferes with desk accessories. I don't want to say too much about her future plans, so I'm going to redact some of this.

I don't have an issue moving forward with our own names. If you don't, maybe we can meme it up in the community and then just move on. The comments have been fun. And I just want to say that's just about the coolest possible response she could have given me.

So even if we ultimately change our mind Look, she was there first. It's that simple. So even if we ultimately change our mind and we decide to pivot on our branding I just wanted to say, Hey,

super cool, Sarah, uh, really appreciate you being willing to kind of share, especially because our draft branding for lab 32 is, I wouldn't describe it as, um, similar necessarily,

but it shares some, some thematic kind of elements. Like we both went for kind of futuristic, like a futuristic look. Hold on, let me see if I can bring up the email here. I can never remember how to spell her name, but it's okay. Thank you, Otto. Thank you, Autofill. Here it is.

Okay, so I haven't shown you guys. Here, I'm just going to do a snip. Don't worry. I will do this very safely. I will not leak any information. I will not leak anything. I will leak nothing. I've heard that before.

I will leak absolutely nothing. Not even this. Yeah, there. I have LTT store up. It's fine. Okay, cool. so we're on linus's screen uh so we showed her some draft draft branding for lab 32 which was done up by our sarah sarah but that i think looks absolutely fantastic and you know i wouldn't i wouldn't say

that it's oh sorry about that luke there you go I love how did you call it a so popular today it's the same people I'm actually really mad oh okay well here let me finish this up real quick and we should talk about that yeah so I wouldn't say that it's that similar to lab 22's branding um there you go you can see them side by side but you can tell we were both kind of going for going for a thing here so that's the update on that massive shout out sarah for being awesome massive shout out our sarah for being awesome i sincerely hope that the lab 32 branding you worked on hasn't been wasted um i mean it probably won't be wasted anyway because even if we ultimately call it lab something else um i really like the style of it i really like the lab yeah so yeah like any anytime you have something like

that's like space themed in some way and you have an a it never has the crossbar yeah it's just a rule of life exactly if it's in space and it's an a there is no crossbar that's just how it works so go check out lab 22 the as Sarah Dietschy describes it, the ultimate line of adjustable tech stands. Maybe we can move the dial a little bit on her pre-orders. They really do look really nice. Very aesthetic, I think

as the kids say. We will keep you guys posted with respect to our own lab branding and what that's going to end up looking like. Oh, also later in the show, I have an update from Gary. Gary Key is the head of the labs. And he's given me sort of a roadmap for what tests are sort of ready to roll now, which ones will be ready soon. And I probably won't talk about it, but what's planned for the rest of the year. And I'm really, really excited to share that with you guys.

So don't let me forget. Do not let me forget. Blow up in chat if I seem like I'm going to forget. Luke. Yeah. Would you like to tell me about that phone call? Sure. Yeah.

Okay. So I've been a TELUS customer for a long time now. So I've been a TELUS customer for a long time now. I have talked on the WAN show a bunch about how if you're in BC, you should almost certainly be with TELUS if you can for your internet. If they have fiber optic in your area. Yes. If they have ADSL in your area, then you can tell them to pound sand or rather dig up sand and bury some fiber optic lines in it.

Yep. Yeah, because Shaw's whole fiber thing is like fake, basically. And Telus actually runs fiber into your house, which is fantastic. And it's been very, very stable over the years, and things have been good. Something that I really liked was that every two years, like Clockwork, every two years they'd give me a call because my loyalty discount would end. Yeah. And I would no longer be locked in with them. Sure. And they would give me a call and they'd give me a call because my loyalty discount would end

yeah and i would no longer be locked in with them sure and they would give me a call and they would give me a account this guy's a flight risk call him now they give me a preemptive counter offer right right they'd be like hey your thing is over you're going to go up to standard rates what if we lock you back in for another two years we'll upgrade your plan to a better plan slash and or it'll be cheaper or something like that. One time they called me and my plan went from 300 to 750 and it got cheaper. And I was like, okay, 300 megabit to 750 megabit. See, I thought you were talking about dollars.

I was like, A, why are you paying so much to your ISP? I was just going to say there's no way I would pay that much. Yeah, I don't think you've ever paid that much for anything. No, no. So I was like, A, why are you paying so much to your ISP? I was just going to say, there's no way I would pay that much. Yeah, I don't think you've ever paid that much for anything. No, no. So I was like, this is sweet. And every two years, I would completely forget about it. And then randomly, I'd get a call from Telus, when I never get a call from Telus. And I'd be like, hey! Hey, how you doing?

This is going to be great! And I'd pick it up, and some customer support person was like, all right, we're going to double your speed and drop your price down. And I'm like, this is one of the best calls I get every two years. I love this process. And then I realized the other day, Hmm, I should check my bills. And I noticed that my internet bill was like really high, way higher than it should be. And I'm like, what the heck? And I was like, Oh, it's been more than two years. They never called me. Okay. So I look into this last time that the person called me, they gave me free TV. I told him I didn't want it. I don't watch TV, but they were like, it's like part of this thing. Just take it. It's free. And I was like, okay, the thing expired.

So I've been paying for TV that is unplugged sitting in the corner oh no because i don't watch tv right and i went off the discount rate which i looked at the plans on their website and there are plans that are significantly faster than what i have and are also noticeably cheaper than what i'm paying when they're not discounted. So I'm paying a not discounted rate. And not only is the discounted rate that everyone pays all the time way, way, way, way cheaper, but the not discounted rate is also cheaper than what I'm paying and is like considerably faster. So I'm just getting completely hosed right now. So I'm just getting completely hosed right now. You know what's great? Is that TELUS is a Canadian ISP.

And yet every single one of you can relate. All you have to do is take the word TELUS. Yeah. Sub in whoever your horrible local ISP is. And you can follow along with Luke's story and share his misery. Yes. Carry on. So I call them up.

And it's none of the people on the phones fault of course not so whatever right i'm chilling but i i am expressing like like why did what happened why didn't i get called it's a really unfortunate thing but you almost have to get mad to get escalated i found a lot of companies i didn't get mad i was just confused and i had to go through a couple people because i had multiple things on my plan like the tv and i've seen it before though yeah i i usually it's usually it's fine but um most of them didn't know why because they were like oh yeah i've heard of those calls in the past i don't know why they stopped or you didn't get called or whatever so i was like okay like there's no whatever eventually i get to the like customer loyalty person and we like borderline get in a fight

because she's like, I just keep saying like, please cancel my TV. And she wants to go on this huge tirade about like how, what they used to do was bad and people would complain about it and no one complains anymore and i'm like okay i don't care i've expressed that i wish i had the call and if they could happen in the future i would like to get them that would be cool just cancel my tv please and then she'd be like nope because i guess she like needed me to agree with her that it's cool that they didn't call me and i'm like okay by the end of it i'm like i'm like very very very unhappy with this experience but i got my stuff canceled

and everything's fine and i'm moving on now they call me yeah now they call you all the time really but it's like twice in the last half hour third It's this like third party studio. Studio? That like, they're called Monet Studio or something. Okay. That call on behalf of Telus to try to sell me more crap. So I think that person, I think it's M-O-N-E-T. Oh, interesting. There's an autocomplete

for like Monet Studio Telus or something like that. Yeah. So this is like, this is a thing. Yeah. So I think that person that I was angry with on the phone because they wouldn't stop trying to push their point instead of just canceling my TV

and letting me get off the phone just signed me up for like every Telus marketing thing they could. Which was not my point. What a dick. I didn't want that. What a dick. I just want to call every two years

when my things expires so you just like are you staying with telus you know i'm staying with telus cool we're gonna like update you to one of our new plans everything's good that's all i want i don't want the freaking marketing calls stop it so annoying oh no and it isn't usually that common i think the reason why they called me that second time was because i told them to take me off their list and they were like nope we're gonna get through to you um and like every time that i've answered so far and tried to like talk to them they're trying to sell me stuff for tv which is why I really think it was that person. I don't watch TV. I don't. I really don't.

I don't want it. I'm not interested. So yeah, I don't know. I was extremely happy. Very, very, very happy with Telus Customer Service for a long time. Because those calls were just a beautiful, amazing thing. Because who doesn't like getting called?

Come to think of it, every time I complain about the experiences I've had with Telos over the years, you either are just like... I've had great experiences. Or you're just like, I don't know. I'm not going to tell you your experience is wrong, but I've had fantastic experiences. To be clear, I've had good ones too. And the product is great yeah the product is outstanding your home is great and it's super stable yeah it's like i don't think i've had

internet downtime since i signed up for it and it's been like two or three years like it's very very stable it's super stable it always stuns me when i'm like gaming with someone from like another country or something that is very developed. It's like, sorry, my internet cut out. That happens? Yeah. We live in a storm area, and it never happens. Back in the mid-2000s,

it's not like we didn't have the same problem. I remember my high school girlfriend's house, their ADSL line, so that was one of my terrible experiences with Telus because they came out and tried to fix that thing literally like half a dozen times over the span of a year. And every time they're like, yeah, it's fixed. You didn't do anything. No, it's not.

All you did is like power cycle, the fricking ADSL modem. You didn't do anything. I'm telling you, it's not going to, no, no, it's fixed. See you later. Like it was, it was an awful, awful experience, but what would happen? I think they eventually figured it out was like you later like it was it was an awful awful experience but what would happen i think they eventually figured it out was like somewhere along the line it kept getting flooded or something like that rod rosenberg was like i haven't got my call from floatplane darn it well yeah but doesn't he just auto renew yeah yeah yeah he's already

grandfathered in at the low rate anyway this is is my, it's like, if you, if you want a comparison, it's like two years from now, we release three new subscription plans on float plane that are better and cheaper than the current ones that we have. Sure. But if you were subscribed to the old ones, we just leave you there. Yeah. Which sucks. Like that's obviously stupid.

And their whole excuse was like, oh, we had a bunch of people complaining about those calls i strongly don't believe that people were upset they called once every two years and said hey things are going to be cheaper and better see ya yeah that that sounds very unlike well okay actually it's possible it's possible that people would just get angry about a call from their isp because they just don't want to hear from them but the solution to that is just to put them on a no call list that actually works like i have that issue with our bank actually with our banks because personal and business they call me probably each at least once a year to ask me if I'm interested in some new service or if I need any help with my account and every single f***ing time I tell them I don't deal with that stuff

you need my wife here's her number I don't touch any of it no but really you don't need to talk to the man or whatever or whatever it is going through really, you don't need to talk to the man or whatever, or whatever it is going through your head that makes you want to talk to me about this. Honestly, drives me crazy. Like contractors, man. My girlfriend and I were, well, she was buying a car, right? Have I told you this story? No, but I already know where you're going with it.

I went with her. Yeah. She did incredible research she had literally like she's old school she likes paper she likes documents she likes writing things she had like a binder full of research that she had done on all these different cars on all the different deals from all the different dealerships all the different prices that people are getting yeah very very organized very very well informed i'm coming along like don don't know cars. I'm going to throw in some opinions, I guess. Yeah, I'm completely fine with my car.

The person that was trying to sell her this car, the one that we test drove, it isn't the one that we bought. I think this might be a small part of it, but it definitely wasn't the whole part. Would only talk to me about things. She would ask him a question and then he would look at me and answer the question. And I'd be like, I do this. I've talked to you about this before. I do this body language stuff every once in a while.

So he would look to me and start answering the question. I would just do this. I'd do the exact same thing. And he would just keep talking to me. I'm like, brother, I did not ask you this question. If that doesn't work, I will even just go what do you i will point i will point at her while they talk to me yeah it drives me crazy it was so annoying it's such a bad experience so anyway the the bank will call me or the banks will call me periodically and ask me about this stuff i'll say put me on your do not call list

they'll say yeah of course sir and i'll say no but, put me on your do not call list. They'll say, yeah, of course, sir. And I'll say, no, but really, put me on the do not call list. And it is something that I have, I've gotten kind of angry about. Because when I ask specifically not to be called, I wish to not be called. So if they were calling people who had already explicitly said, put me on an actually functional do not call list yeah then yeah they're gonna get angry no matter what you're saying to them because they said don't call me so i can see their side of the story there there's an easy solution to that i don't call this

yeah exactly and that's fine and if people want to pay way too much for a service that's worse, let them. Whatever. But I don't think the majority of people are going to be like that. I don't know. It's just frustrating. It felt like an excuse, in my opinion, to rake a bunch of people for money, because they had this system that like, I'm definitely not the only person that figured out this pattern. I figured out this pattern over the course of like six years. They were doing this for a long time. Yeah, for sure. So a bunch of people were in this rhythm and then they

stopped doing that. I guarantee you I wasn't the only one with hiked up bills because the second the discount drops, the bill goes up by a lot. Yeah. Oh, tons because a lot of the time it's like free for some period, six months a year, long enough for you to forget about it. 50% off and stuff like that. And then, yeah, you don't get the call.

You don't think about it because you're used to this cadence. Pretty much everyone uses automatic billing now. So then some amount of months on like basically everyone, they probably had these cranked, more expensive bills, which is brutal. I don't like that.

Mystic Man on Twitch asks, what if people want to keep a grandfathered raid indefinitely rather than get a temporary great deal that goes away after a year or two? It's just that the thing about internet service is that assuming that your ISP is making any kind of investments into their infrastructure and that they have any kind of competition,

even a duopoly is better than nothing, assuming that a couple of years down the line, your internet should be cheaper, even the great deal. I mean, remember back when, okay, so I was in high school, like late high school, so you would have been like late elementary school, I guess. I remember how, you know, the best time to get a cell phone was Christmas, because they would always have deals with all these minutes bundled and all this texting, you know, we used to pay per text anyway.

That was like the best time to get it. And you could really get a smoking hot deal on a cell phone plan around Christmas time that would legitimately be better than anything you could get for the next couple of years. But after that couple of years, there was almost always a better deal to be had. And that's just the way it works. That's technology, baby. It's the only thing that doesn't freaking inflate. Let's embrace it. Let's love it.

There's two things I want to address too. How much does your TV cost per diagonal inch, Luke? How does that compare to the 1950s? A crazy one that I looked into recently was just SSDs. Because I remember when we first started working together, that was when we were crossing the dollar per gig threshold. Yep. And now it's like...

Penny is a gig. Yeah. It's incredible. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, no, you're good. So Bubbly Charizard in Fullplane Chat said, why not have a reminder set to call or chat? Yeah, I do now.

Yeah, but if you don't need to, then why would you ever set it up if they are just going to call you? There was precedence set over the course of many, many, many years. And then the other one is the question you were addressing. What if you just want this grandfathered plan? That was my main counter argument on the phone, which was that the current plans not discounted. So I'm paying, before I do this call, I'm paying a not discounted plan. So I'm looking at a new plan, but not the discounted rate. The website wants to show you the discounted rate, but you can find the non-discounted

rate. So I'm not looking at the discounted rate. It is faster and better in every single way and cheaper. There is legitimately zero reason whatsoever why you would want to be on your old plan it is only better to be on the new plan even if you're not locked in you know what else is better i you know shout out vesa for actually making monitor specs easier to understand i think there's still a lot more work for them to do here, but having VESA Display HDR certification has made it so much easier,

not just to test a monitor, because we have the equipment to test the peak brightness of a display, for example. So we could tell you guys, hey, the HDR experience of this is not going to be great because here's the total possible contrast ratio. And here's why that's a problem. It really doesn't get dark enough. It really doesn't get bright enough.

So the HDR metadata, yeah, sure, it can be interpreted by the display. It's not going to break the chain of correctly interpreting the metadata that accompanies your your video file but it's not really the rate the the dynamic range is not really that high right but VESA makes it simple by having these and actually I was initially opposed to them having even VESA HDR 400 600 in particular. Those two are, they're not, it's not, it's internally, we call them HDR-ant because they're, they're not. Um, and I was opposed to that because what I felt like was that it was an easy way for manufacturers to market their display as HDR when it really wasn't capable of it. but i've kind of come around on it because the the sort of

unintended ironic consequence of them creating that hdr 400 and hdr 600 branding is that folks like us can quickly and easily look at a monitor and go hey you got the wrong certification you suck and it and it's and it's an easy thing for people to understand. Like, if I tell you guys, if you see something that is HDR 400 certified, it is undeniably, unmistakably a bad HDR experience. By all means, you know, still consider the product, just not if you're expecting to game or watch movies in HDR and have it really pop. As for HDR 600, well, you know what? That actually covers a pretty broad range because I don't believe there's anything between 600 and a thousand. So some VESA Display HDR 600 certified monitors can actually be pretty deece, but at the bottom

end, they're not that great. And then VESA Display HDR 1000, we know that those are going to be pretty strong. And then there's, there's one that's above that. It's like, yes, very, very HDR. pretty strong. And then there's, there's one that's above that. It's like, yes, very, very HDR. So, you know, just shout out because monitor manufacturers are notorious for publishing utterly meaningless specification sheets. I mean, do you remember, do you remember back in the day, right? Mid 2000s, you know, going back to when I was product managing at NCIX, mid to late 2000s, you'd see monitors, okay, that had advertised pixel response times of, you know, five milliseconds or like single digit milliseconds, right? And you could look at them and almost watch the seconds tick by on your clock while a

pixel switches from white to black and back again. Like it was ridiculous. It was just clearly not right. Yeah. Or they would achieve that under very specific conditions that produced horrible, horrible ghosting artifacts. Excuse me, well, motion blur.

Artifacts when you are... No, sorry. Overdrive. Sorry, excuse me. Overdrive artifacts where you would have, not only would, because the pixels are slow, not only would you have a trail behind the object, but you would actually have a ghost out in front of the object as it tries to drive those pixels ahead of time.

It's like, nobody would play like that. It looks horrendous, right? Refresh rate on TVs was always a frustrating thing too. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, remember 960 hertz refresh rates on TVs that could only do 60? Yeah. Stop it. Literally just worse.

But companies seem happy about this as well. Oh, we haven't even said what it is yet. Oh. So Invesa's next move, they've created ClearMR, a certification that will replace response time grading. So just a little bit of background. Response time would be the time that it takes for a pixel to change from one state to another. There's different response times.

Some of them require them to go to and then back. And some of them are gray to gray or black to white. There are different states. There are different, some more and some less challenging ways to measure it but this clear mr certification is hopefully going to put that particular bit of marketing nonsense to rest okay go ahead sorry about that oh i was uh actually just looking up what blurbusters thinks about this but i didn't find it yet but anyways walk through it if you want the uh yeah go for it i'll

keep looking it up all right so basically it's a compliance test specification that applies to both lcd and emissive display products so that would be uh oled would be the most common one of those and cmr is the clear motion ratio this is intended to be a clear numerical value based on the ratio of clear pixels to blurry pixels. They, um, wow, that's, that's actually, oh wow, that's a really interesting way of doing it. Sorry, I'm just looking at this now. They say that motion picture response time and gray-to-gray metrics fail to reflect the true nature of blur because a solely time-based metric can't account for image enhancement

and blur mitigation techniques like overshoot and undershoot. The ClearMR standard and logo program limits the use of these enhancement techniques during testing, which is good because a lot of the time you can tune something like Overdrive to achieve a really good measurement in a synthetic test, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's actually a good experience for the viewer. There are grading slash rating tiers based on the ratio of clear to blurry pixels as a percentage. Oh, okay. So clear MR 7000 would be 65 to 75 times more clear pixels than blurry pixels, for example. So each tier provides a visually distinguishable change in clarity.

So the bigger the number, the more better. And the range is from ClearMR 3000 to ClearMR 9000. I guess we can't be over 9000. As Luke was saying before, Samsung Display and LG Electronics seem pleased with this change. Here's a statement from Samsung. We applaud VESA's global standardization of the clear motion ratio metric

in ClearMR, a specification for blur-free viewing that we fully support, and to which we have already certified our newest OLED display. I love that they're focused on OLED. How funny that the OLED manufacturers are the ones that are like,

yay! Yeah. Now everyone can know how much better we are. And then LG said they will continue to collaborate with VESA to ensure that their monitors not only meet the high standards demanded by VESA's performance tests, but are also well-equipped to satisfy the expectations and diverse needs of today's consumers.

So it sounds like Hardware Unboxed, which they do a lot of really fantastic monitor reviews. They really do. And Blurbusters are a little uncertain about this whole thing. There's some funky stuff. There's a Twitter thread that I found with both of them discussing it, actually,

which is very interesting. Can you throw my screen up? Every once in a while, something good happens on Twitter. Yeah, it's rare, but it does it does happen um hardware unbox is talking about how vesa's new clear mr display certification is ranking 138 hertz oled panels and 165 hertz lcd panels in the same clarity tier um apparently it was deemed unfair that one has like some tech behind it. The hardware unboxed said VESA.

This is an interesting little VESA. Let's test clarity and blur. Also VESA. But let's disable all the blur reduction and clarity improving features. So that's a little weird because I don't personally like that. Because why would you turn those features off if you were a consumer? I think that it's okay. but then yeah companies can also potentially cheat it's a double-edged sword yes yeah because if it's a feature that harms the viewing experience in some other way

like let's say hypothetically it reduced the overall color depth sure or something like that yeah then we would not recommend that you use it right or if it turned off some kind of um oh man i mean yeah i'd say affecting color would be one of the one of the biggest concerns that i would have brightness yeah yeah brightness would be another big one like if you had a a feature like um like backlight strobing that was designed to enhance the uh the the clarity of the image but like you said came at a significant brightness cost then i would say that almost you need to test that display under both conditions yeah and it's sort of uh yeah native well it's kind of like you know native versus dynamic contrast ratios you'd almost have to have both numbers reported with

that said i mean for my part i would rather just buy the superior panel in the first place without you know some kind of uh of backlight strobing technology if i don't need it but But then if you do develop a workaround that works really well, well, then that sucks, and that's pretty unfair. Yeah, I don't necessarily have the right answer here. I'm going to, just on a personal level, I'm going to keep my eye on hardware unboxed and Blurbusters and see what they think moving forward. But, yeah, interesting. and and blurbusters and see what they think moving forward um but yeah interesting

interesting interesting interesting anytime specific companies in a space are extremely happy about a new standard coming out um or a new certification coming out sorry it can be cool or not cool and it's it's a little tough to tell unless you're really on the ground floor. It's probably better than nothing, which is what we've had up until now. But that doesn't mean there won't be room for improvement. And VESA has made changes

to their certifications in the past. So I hope they'll take all the feedback that they get and continue to improve this. In the meantime, here's how they're testing. So they're using a digital high-speed camera, which takes pictures of a test pattern moving across the screen as it changes from one frame to the next. A colorimeter will verify pattern luminance,

and products will be tested at ambient room temperature, native resolution, maximum refresh rate. So here's something that gets kind of complicated. Handling variable refresh rate motion can be very challenging, and that's something clearly this test will not address. Default power-up configuration, and all after warming up. There will be no backlight strobing, and limits will be placed on overshoot and undershoot. Okay, then the rest is this.

So, my initial take better than nothing but clearly not a replacement for independent reviews some flaws yeah yeah but that's i mean we've always pushed that forward right more stuff more better well info more better the thing is that's why we've never we've never really boiled products down to a score you know that's something that i've that i've been opposed to i mean i think pretty much since we started right there's i i know there was at least one time because i remember i was really surprised i think it was like a razor laptop and it was like when we were still at the NCX studio or something. It was forever ago. I think I gave something an editor's choice award or something like that. But I don't do awards.

Yeah, not a point score. Yeah, I don't do awards and I don't do scores. Yeah. Because the reality of it is if you really want to know about the product, you need to know the pros and the cons it is always more nuanced than just eight out of ten six out of ten six what what are they why do i want 10 of them you know what i mean yeah i find that with gaming that's i i really frown at point score ratings for games because it's so nuanced and there's so many different things that people might not care about and i find that when people get less passionate about writing these reviews for the games yeah they will stick to very rigid point

score systems and like if you look at something like valheim yeah valheim's a fantastic game right it's really fun for a while and then you beat it and it's fine whatever but valheim's great valheim's graphics not good but that's not the focus you shouldn't take an exact fixed amount of points away from that game for those graphics and you shouldn't take an exact fixed amount of points away from that game for those graphics. And you shouldn't award that same fixed amount of points to another game that is a junk game with good graphics. Because you could go through and have maybe a specific section just for that. But your overall score reflecting that is garbage, in my opinion. And you run into that same problem with almost everything.

Because what if this monitor is like the best monitor ever but the stand like looks a little weird yeah does it like really matter or let's say let's say rgb is part of your rubric yeah right and it doesn't have it and so what automatic what if someone in the audience wants to not have that the reality of it is that you need some subjectivity and i think that's something that particularly in the gaming space um could be classified as a hot take but you know i think subjectivity with used responsibly is a really really important part of conveying the experience of actually living with something right like yeah Valheim's a perfect example of a pretty rudimentary looking game but that has highly addictive gameplay and I would also argue that if you get really into

Valheim you can see the beauty of it at times the the lighting system that they have the way it'll catch something in the right way every once in a while you'll be like sailing across somewhere and you'll be like wow this game is actually like it looks really cool and then you'll look too closely at something and you'll be like wow this game looks like junk but it's

interesting and it's a very unique art style it's very easy to pick out of a crowd it doesn't look like generic shooter level number 47 that is a Modern Warfare spinoff of whatever. This time with zombies! Some games have a particular art style which is

like I would even argue like old school Super Mario games. They don't look bad. It's just pixel art. It's a specific art style. I read one of those clickbait articles why final fantasy 6 was the best final fantasy game obviously i'm going to click on that because definitely agree uh but anyway it kind of talks about a lot of what i've talked about uh where like final fantasy 7 gets held in such high regard in large part because it was the first jrpg to really be a

smash hit in north america um and six in my opinion has actually aged a lot better than seven which might be part of the reason that it got a pixel remaster whereas seven uh required a remake just just saying anyway i'm sorry i just wanted to get that barb in there to all the final fantasy 7 fan too to be clear i quite enjoyed final fantasy 7 it's not like i didn't play it all the way through like eight or something like that but final fantasy 6 is the best oh my god someone showed me this who was it was it was it ploof oh while you're bringing that up uh as we were talking about the next topic the vase amount thing multiple people in floatplane chat and that's like that's

a subset of a subset right multiple people in floatplane chat mentioned that they had the same problem with telus so it's not just me got him jeez anyways um so i think it was Plouffe who showed me this. It's a one-sixth scale statue of the protagonist of Final Fantasy VI, Tara Branford, riding Magitek armor that is one of the most ornately detailed pieces of game memorabilia

that I think I have ever seen in my life. Hold on. Here it is next to an actual human person. Look how big this thing is. And this too can be yours for the price of just $13,800. Okay. I got to level with you. There's probably so much work that goes into that.

If it was like $1,500, I gotta level with you there's probably so much work that goes into that if it was like 1500 bucks I would seriously consider this as like a backdrop backdrop for my streaming setup which I know I haven't used lately I'll stream again I promise but I would seriously

consider it for like set deck or something like that I love this game it was such a huge part of my childhood and this you know seems like a definitive collector's piece for it. It's beautiful. I'm assuming it's probably like, a lot of it's probably done

by hand. It's all painted by hand. Yeah, so like, there's I mean, that's obviously too expensive for my taste, but like I'm sure a very significant amount of work went into that. Yeah. But $13,000? Oh, there's no way. Yeah, there's no way. I believe they're made into that. Yeah. But $13,800. Oh, there's no way.

Yeah, there's no way. I believe they're made in Japan. Someone's probably going to get it, though. Like they're, oh, yeah. Oh, I'm sure someone will. Yeah. I'm sure someone will. They've got plenty of time to buy.

The release date is actually November 2023. This is pre-orders right now, and they're going to make a maximum of $600. That's actually, man. Whoa, that's a lot. That's a pretty cool amount of revenue what it was 13 800 did i say 13 800 yeah that is 8.3 million dollars yeah i was gonna say like that's that's actually a lot of units i was expecting you to say like 60 or 100 or something yeah yeah 600 units i mean. I don't know.

One six of a six-foot human is one foot, so it's pretty big. Yeah, but she's riding the Magitek armor. And you don't go in that, right? You ride on top of it? Yeah, so it's actually way bigger than that. Yeah, absolutely wild. Looks so cool.

Ooh, I guess it's time to talk LTT store stuff. The biggest update that I have for you guys is that we have officially shipped our screwdriver to Project Farm. Per his usual approach, he insisted on paying for it. We would have been happy to

provide one for nothing, so it wasn't about that, but he wanted to pay for it, so obviously it wasn't about that, but he wanted to pay for it. So obviously we're going to respect that. And we shipped him a unit out of our inventory that we are currently producing. I actually built some myself. I sat on the production line for a bit,

which is harder than you might think because the way that the plastics work, they come out of the molding machine. Man, this video is- I've worked on production lines. It's going to be a bread not screwdrivers but um so okay so you know that it can be pretty grueling you gotta keep up you gotta you gotta keep up so the reason it's really important in this case is because once they come out of the molding machine it just like drops and comes down like like a little vending machine like here's your two screwdrivers uh because each each shot makes two handles so you you clip off your sprues you throw

them in the thing you take the drivers you and are the handles you inspect them you put them on the little thing and then you uh you put the the ratchet assembly in it's it's directional okay then you take these little like like press press thingies you put them on the top so that it's not just pushing down on the actual socket for the bit because it could scratch it. That would be bad. So you put a thing in it. Makes sense.

Then you pop it into this thing. It automatically goes to press fit the ratchet assembly into the handle. And it's really important to do it while it's hot because- More malleable. You do the press fit and then it contracts. Yeah. So that while it's hot because you do the press fit and then it contracts.

So that's what's going to keep the driver together for a press fit, right? So then your other machine is doing the... Where is it? I'm assuming there's a video of this? It will be. So then your other machine is doing the press fit on the bit holder. So you take it out of this? It will be. So then your other machine is doing the press fit on the bit holder.

So you take it out of this one, take the thing off. You got to do both of them, two at a time, mind you. You put it over here. You put it in this way. You put your bit holder thing on the top and you plop this one in. And then it kicks two out the other side. You take those. You put it in the finish thing where someone else will bag it.

Your next one is out. Okay? So you grab this one. You cut the spruce. You inspect them. You put it into the other side of that thing. You put in your ratchets. You put on your things. You take this one out. You put it in the other side. You do the thing. You pop it. You put the thing.

40 seconds. That's the injection mold time. That's how long you have. I'm sitting here going and the really wild thing is the lady who was at the station that I hijacked made it look so easy. She's just like, like she might as well have had her headphones in,

chilling to some tunes, watching a show she likes or whatever. She's just like, she's doing it. She's going. And I gotta say say i am really happy to have the the qc done here uh because the kinds of things that they were rejecting parts for i was like yeah and to be clear that doesn't mean that that is going to be wasted we can actually regrind

up to 25 of the new plastics that goes into the next shot. So we can take those parts that are no good, like cut the sprues, take the bad parts, throw them back in the hopper, grind them up with the fresh plastic. And as long as it doesn't exceed 25%, it doesn't affect the quality of the finished product. So I'm really glad to have the QC done because yeah, they were taking just tiny scuffs

and they were like, no. Nah, dog. Good, yeah. Get rid of it. I mean, it's a tool, so realistically you're going to beat the hell out of it anyway. But it should show up nice. It should show up looking like new.

Yeah. You show up to the game in a suit. And yes, we absolutely did film it. It was pretty cool. This has been such a long long freaking journey and the timing couldn't be better because actually i guess now's as good a time as any to talk through some of the plans for the lab over the next little bit like this is this is really it feels like a lot of dreams are coming true for me right now um the you you know, the screwdriver, the backpack is, the backpack is moving actually really well. I think we're going to see another burst once people

can get that instant gratification. Yes, I know. I'll do sponsors, Bell. Thank you. I think people are going to, I think people are going to move on it when they can get that instant gratification, when it's actually in stock. The first two waves are already completely resold i think people are going to be absolutely stoked when they get their hands on it screwdriver same thing we've got our pop-up shop tomorrow so if you're in the vancouver area hopefully we'll see you there uh bell do you want to post the details in the chat maybe thank you so much um it's finally coming out and it's all happening in time to build out the test lab of my dreams oh and sorry one thing about the pop-up shop we are streaming it we are streaming a specific table where people will be

welcome to share live their thoughts on the screwdriver compared to the competition and i will talk in a little bit more detail about that after because when we actually launch back orders on the page is going to depend on you guys. You guys are going to decide. One thing I would say about that is, as far as my understanding goes, this is not my thing, but I'm just confirming right now. As far as my understanding goes, it is not being streamed on the Linus Tech Tips channel. Short Circuit. And I don't think it's being streamed on Twitch.

Oh, I don't know anything about that. Okay, I was told no. Sure, we can throw it on Twitch. I don't know. Yeah, let's throw it on Twitch and Float know yeah let's throw it on twitch and floatplane it's gonna be on floatplane yeah um but yeah the short circuit youtube channel is the youtube channel that's going to receive this stream not if you're watching on youtube um so anyway yeah back to the lab like i've i've i mean i've i've traveled all over i've seen amazing product validation labs and honestly like consumer electronics you know obviously i love them i use

them every day but the thing that really tickles my my nerd fancy these days is that that scientific grade equipment like i i and and and it frustrates me too because i see this stuff and I go, well, yeah, but all this data and all this testing, it's all behind closed doors. I want to see that stuff. I want to know that stuff. Like, it's all hidden behind slick marketing, right? Like, show it to me. I want to see it compared, right? Like, I remember at Cherry, at Cherry, remember? They had that machine that went, and pressed the keys like this on the keyboard, right? So that they could validate their 50 million keystrokes. Yeah, because the 50 million keystrokes is like,

at least with that machine validating, was like 50 million heavy keystrokes. Heavy keystrokes. And the way the validation worked was that the 50 million keystrokes heavy keystrokes and the way the validation worked was that the 50 million keystrokes it had to still perform within some some tight tolerance of what it was like new after that it wasn't just that it like still functioned at all and i was like guys how do i get my hands on this machine i want to test all the keyboards like this and they were like um we don't want to be seen as denigrating competitors products so we don't want to get involved and and so even going back that far it's been it's been so so frustrating to me and as i've

as i've watched fewer and fewer and fewer and fewer publications do this kind of testing i've felt like there's just a responsibility at this point to to build it out ourselves and so i i want to talk a little bit about some of the really cool stuff that labs okay i keep bringing this message up and it keeps switching to a different conversation hello teams um to talk a little bit about what's going to be going on over the next little bit apparently our robot is already moved to the new building and set up in a new enclosure and fully working now with keyboards, which is really exciting. So the robot that you guys saw last time

that was just in the early stages of beginning to figure out how to work with is now completely ready to go. The computer vision is working to identify where the keyboard is where the keys are it can move around and it can measure the actuation force of keycaps which is going to be just one part of our keyboard test suite yeah but a time-consuming one we're working on a really cool video so there's a lot of fear-mongering going on right now about buying used mining gpus and oh i've been an advocate for buying used hardware for as long as we've been doing this can't afford the latest and

the greatest don't buy something crappy buy the not latest greatest there's like there is this kind of this shame or this stigma or this having old hardware i don't know what it is about buying things second hand but i don't get it is it still cool yeah sweet yeah does it get the fps's yeah exactly well then okay is it stable that is that is something you do have to consider you can run into trouble obviously but man compared to back in the day when we were like taking part in hardware swaps on ocn or red flag deals or whatever the buyer protections that are in place now for buying second-hand hardware online are unbelievable so anyway um this is really cool. Our automated testing suite that we used on our mining card testing video. We bought 20 used mining cards just from random eBay sellers.

We bought 20 cards so that it's, you know, I'd say a reasonable sample size. And it was just, it was too much to manually test. But the team over there has been hard at work on an automated testing suite, and apparently it is working flawlessly. You hit a button, you come back in four hours, and the card is completely tested. With graphs spitting out and all this type of stuff.

Super cool! We're going to be expanding it. And that system is going to scale into more things, which I don't necessarily want to get into too much. But that system is part of the idea of building that was building a framework for it to scale into more things, which I don't necessarily want to get into too much. But that system is part of the idea of building that was building a framework for it to scale. I didn't get any details on some of the cell phone testing that we're apparently working on.

And we have our mouse tester beta 0.8 running as of today. So what you can expect to see is we're getting past the, you know, pretty much everything we're getting we're getting past the you know pretty much everything we're doing is issuing POs and waiting for you know shortages we're getting kind of past that stage to the point where I think as of probably if not mid-September definitely early October you guys can expect to see content coming out either about the lab or from the lab on at least a weekly basis. And it's been such an endeavor. I've had, it's been really interesting. I've had a lot of people internally and externally question the ROI of the lab. I mean, I think it's pretty clear.

What's our head count up to now? We're close to 10, aren't we? Oh, just for the lab? Just for the lab. Because you're hiring developers. Three developers, four developers now. Gary's hiring engineers. Two of them aren't actually here yet,

but there's four developers. I think there's more than six engineers or maybe there's exactly six. There's the facility. We've obviously talked a little bit about some of the equipment we're buying. So we showed the power supply tester from Chroma. Oh, a little bit of an update on that, by the way. We heard from the one and only Johnny Guru.

He actually suggested that we change out our loads in a way that will help us better validate ATX 3.0 compliance. So, hey, shout out, Johnny. Super cool. Appreciate you. That is super cool. So we're, shout out, Johnny. Super cool. Appreciate you. That is super cool. So we're going to work with Chroma on getting that all sorted out.

It's a little frustrating that it wasn't right in the first place, given that Chroma did help us with the spec and we did make it very clear what we were trying to test. But, I mean, realistically, they're a gigantic company and they build these testers

for everything from PC power supplies to everything else. Yeah. Everything. Things that receive and deliver power. Anything that gets or outputs power or both. Yeah. So things happen and I am very confident that we're going to get it sorted out.

Another, man, another little update on that video is I had a lot of people, like a surprising number of people leave comments on that video is I had a lot of people, like a surprising number of people leave comments on the video or message me directly saying that they were really upset about this YouTuber money flexing that I was doing in that video. And that kind of ties into the conversation that I was just having with you about the labs ROI. Either the labs ROI is super questionable, and this is something that we are doing as a moonshot and investing in because we just really want to build it and really want this data. Or I'm flexing you know spend like it's not a toy like i don't really it's not a car yeah it's not it's not supreme or gucci or like jewels um and i don't know maybe this is one of those things that i i just don't get but i was kind of taken aback by it because it wasn't the point of the video the point of how much it cost was this is the kind of gear that up until now could only be found in a product development lab. Well, now we're bringing

it to a validation and review lab, which means that instead of all these numbers being locked away and hidden, they're going to be accessible to everybody. That's the whole point. Democratizing access to this data. I think the title and the thumbnail might direct people sure but that way why send me a message with concern about it if you haven't even watched it yeah i haven't watched it so i don't know basic well it's a piece of like scientific testing equipment no i know it's a piece of scientific testing equipment. No, I know. It's just the thumbnail being unboxing $133K and then the title being the most expensive thing I own

with expensive being in capitals frames the experience around the price tag. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's fair. It is expensive, though. And it's like a lot of you are observing. It's an expense that doesn't have an obvious direct ROI. We're building out this thing in hopes that it will make the content way, way, way, way better and will make consumers way, way, way smarter shoppers. I think spending money in the direction of trying to...

My beard keeps getting stuck in the pop filter. I should cut this off. I think spending money in the direction of bettering the data that we have and increasing the data and knowledge in the space and those types of things is good. I just, yeah. I don't know. I mean, yeah. If you're going to spend it on something, it's better to spend it on that than a car.

You know, there's a lot of people in the comments talking about how like, right, but clickbait title is clickbait. And I guess, you know, for better or for worse, I don't see a problem with playing whatever game we have to play to attract people to learning more. You know, if I have to do what works people to learning more um you know if i have to if i have to do what works and you know what that was the top performing video on the channel in the last two weeks

i'm sorry it works but we've talked about the stance on clickbait a million times but the video itself is setting the stage for because a lot people, like if you read through as many comments as I do, you can see a lot of people would come onto something like that, not knowing until they've watched the video that a piece of equipment like that even exists or not even fully understanding why we need it. I had people questioning why anyone would need it.

They only need this for developing power supplies, not for testing them. But that's a big part of how I can understand how to make these videos more digestible in the future. Like a lot of the time we're putting out a video that doesn't have all the information in it so that I can see what questions people are asking. It's an important tool in our toolbox to get as many people as possible to watch these videos that are impossible to get people to look at if we don't play the game. So yeah, I could have called it unboxing the Chroma, whatever model number it is, power supply test unit. But at the end of the day, if we take our mission seriously, which is to ignite passion for technology, well then we're not doing a very good job at that point. We need to bring in new people who don't know who

Chroma is, who don't know why you need a power supply tester. We need to make it exciting, we need to make it accessible, and we need to start priming people for what this stuff is, so when all of a sudden we start coming out with content that's built around data we've collected from this machine they go oh right that yeah so I forget where I was going with this but I think I was doing an LTT store update at some point

yes I know I know I will I promise so we shipped a screwdriver to project farm uh uh talking about ltt store there's a deal i got you nick uh the deal is if you spend a hundred dollars on anything you get a free meme face sequin pillow free pillow all right excellent cart value is a hundred dollars or more and then you add the meme face pillow you get it for free and we haven't done any of our we haven't uh responded to any merch messages yet hey thanks edward g picking up a backpack love it uh we haven't responded to any yet but we will be responding to merch messages later on in the show so guys

stay tuned and if you place an order during the show pay close attention in the checkout because there is a field for merch messages you can either put a little message up there for everyone to see at the bottom of the screen uh or bell might respond to you or uh he might curate it for me and luke to have a look at later on in the meantime sponsors what do you want to talk about now let's do one more topic then we'll do sponsors one more topic uh there was a few good ones this week uh apple self-service valve steam deck booklet let's talk about the booklet because i i'm a little lost on this sure i think it's interesting valve has released a very pretty booklet. And you know what? That is true. It is pretty. To introduce the company and Steam to new markets, namely Japan,

South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. And it doesn't cost $250 or whatever Apple's book cost. They just send you a PDF and you can print it out for yourself. Yeah. The Steam Deck will be released in these markets through japanese company komodo later this year the booklet is available in english japanese korean and traditional chinese physical booklets will be available at the tokyo game show next month and there's a bunch of things in the booklet including i'm just scrolling through it right now including you what yeah i made it. I made it into the booklet. Where?

Hold on. I got to find it. This was like, honestly, such a, you know, I made it dad moment, right? I'm trying to find the spot where it is. Gabe Senpai recognized me? Yeah, exactly, right? Or someone else did. Let me see if I can find it.

Yeah, here it is! Okay, okay, okay, okay. The Steam Deck's physical design was built with comfort in mind. The rounded grips make it comfortable to hold for long gaming sessions. We tested many different grips. The hardware was also designed to be repaired, replaced, or upgraded. The PC community is full of people who love

to tinker and upgrade their machines, so we've made it easy to open the back cover with standard tools. Parts are clearly marked, and it's possible, for an experienced customer, to replace many of the main components. We've already seen the Steam Deck community successfully replacing the... Oh, they called it a hard drive. Oh, no! Attaching an external gpu uh shout out ufd and i think there was someone else who did that but don't quote me on that um as well 3d printing stands cases and attachments i know d brand's been working on attachments and even attaching a pc grade heatsink to the back of the device for fun we definitely don't recommend this one come on get owned it's faster runs cooler and in my humble opinion looks

freaking awesome looks so good Alex out did himself with the design on that one. And I helped. Hilarious. That's very funny. All of these cool things. And this other cool thing. That you shouldn't do. But it was awesome. And the booklet was about. More than just Steam Deck. It was a pretty cool window.

Into Valve's processes. their way of thinking. They see their company as being based on principles of openness and access that define the open PC community. I mean, I think that they have done a pretty good job of walking the walk over the last little bit, particularly with respect to Steam Deck. I don't know that it was always that way with their hardware products, but it's definitely, definitely moving in the right direction. Overall, it's been good guy Valve for the better part of at least the last couple of years. They provided a brief summary on how Steam was created to automate game updates, which really did solve a very real problem and was a huge, huge motivating factor for me to essentially completely stop pirating games.

I don't own or play a single pirated game anymore. It's like, oh, no, I shouldn't say that because, like, okay, technically, even if you own a cartridge, downloading a ROM is pirating the game. So, okay, no, no. downloading a ROM is pirating the game. So, okay, no, no. But PC games, I don't think I own a single pirated game. Everything's just in my Steam or Uplay or whatever library because, man, things being auto-updated

absolutely solved a major, major pain point, especially with respect to multiplayer, which was really taking off at that time. Man, it was real weird back in the day when you had to get updates, not even from the game publisher's own website you had to get them from game facts or like whatever what was the name of that it had like military major geeks major geeks you had to get updates from major geeks back in the day and stuff like that was that was a weird time i remember if you installed call of duty modern call Warfare back in the day and you went to the server list,

yeah, it looks the same. That's awesome. I actually love that. If you went to the server list on Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare, if you just installed it and went there, there was no servers. Yep, it just would be broken.

You had to go to Major Geeks and download two updates and then it would work. Like how people even figured that out. Okay, you would say like, oh, the YouTube videos and stuff. This was, you know, internet was in a different time okay yeah i mean to be clear i do have some issues with automatic updates um people are talking in the in the floatplane chat about removing features shouldn't be forced yes and beat saber in particular is super annoying because

every time they release a new like map pack it breaks all my mods for a week. And shout out the Beat Saber modding community. You guys are amazing. The fact that you're able to turn around these updates so quickly for no pay at all. The passion in that community is incredible. There is often ways. But as a gamer, it still blows.

You don't want to just not be able to play your custom songs that rarely happens anymore actually it hasn't happened in a long time that's something i've been trying to do but like leaderboards and stuff as my like i've grown up and my financial situation has improved is like open source software that i use that is free that has like contribution links i've tried to recognize sometimes you don't really think about it i've tried to recognize like oh that's fair i use this i'm gonna go contribute to the creator and more than just a coffee and i've i've been

trying to do that more consciously over time but yeah i just would like to issue a correction i meant privateered games oh yes that's very good uh so they shout out their hires from the mod community namely the devs of day of defeat counter-strike dota 2 team fortress and portal yeah yeah the fact that they like basically bought their best game yeah it's like like what has valve actually developed like internally portal came from a group of students counter-strike was purchased i believe is that the one you're talking about i think it was a mod right portal i was counting as their best game but okay i mean obviously it's open for debate yeah yeah like don't don't come at me please i think i think if i this is old memory but i think counter-strike was like a mod for half-life that they bought or something or brought in or did

something yeah yeah and then portal was a group of students that they ended up hiring team fortress was also a half-life mod that they like brought the team on board for if i recall correctly yeah cool so amazing uh so there's two it's clearly a warcraft 3 mod initially yeah so a little bit i didn't realize how many of these things came externally. How many games Valve has actually made. Well, they made them, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have pretty photos of all the prototypes. That was actually a very cool page.

That was fun to see. I love that kind of stuff. Super into that. Yeah, like why hide it? It's so cool. They have plans for shipping a SteamOS general installer for consumers and other hardware manufacturers. That's super cool. Very cool. Happy about that. They have plans for shipping a SteamOS general installer for consumers and other hardware manufacturers soon.

That's super cool. Very cool. Happy about that. Okay, let's say I prefer the hardware of an Aya Neo device or something like that. Why don't I just dual boot? That'd be sweet. That'd be super cool. Yeah, it's going to be awesome.

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slash WAN. What would you like to talk about next? Should we do a couple of merch messages? Sure. I feel like we should probably do that. I do want to pick a bone with the people really quickly about merch messages. Oh? I have a thing to say.

There's been a debate. There was a Reddit thread about it. I've seen comments about this before, about how such a high percentage of the show is ads and they're including merch messages as ads, which is, I think, a little bit of a stretch. But I do understand they are revolved around people giving us money. So, OK, I can give them that. But my counter argument would be the length of the show, which is something I've never seen anyone talk about. If you look at the length of the show which is something i've never seen anyone talk about if you look at the length of the show from like the pandemic era shows and a little bit before then and a little bit after then they're like an hour long i have seen some that are less

than an hour long i've seen some that are a few more minutes an hour long but they're mostly an hour long it is true that quite a bit back they were like an hour and a half long, pretty consistently. We used to aim for an hour and a half. We stopped doing that because there wasn't enough news, basically. So we went down to an hour. Merch messages got introduced. And roughly around that time, now we have shows that are like two and a half hours. So I think the percentage of the show that is topics has changed sure right but the show's just

longer some shows we're going to have more topics to talk about some shows we're going to have less sometimes that is our fault sometimes we miss major topics there was a topic that we should have talked about last week where there was this song that would crash yeah i really want that is so interesting and so cool it wasn't in the doc yeah i know and that's brutal so that sometimes it is on us but it has always sometimes been on us we have missed things forever um so i don't know that's my counter argument take it or leave it but yeah i also really like them a lot better than some of the previous ways that we had of uh of interacting with chat also that like throwing extra money at google for no reason through super chats or twitch

through bits i mean uh we're we're going to briefly touch on the most recent twitch controversy not gonna not gonna not gonna say too much it, but I've had enough people message me about it. We've been advised by Riley to avoid. Yeah, we need to at least acknowledge it. But, you know, whether you want to give these, you know, giant fang-sized corporations your money or not, you know, that's up to you. But we feel like it's a lot better to, if there's going to be overhead, like to be clear, our take on a super chat is higher than our take on a merch message overall. Well, a merch message has no implicit profit.

Yeah, but at least with a merch message, the money is going to, you know, the hardworking people at Innovation Tool and Die or PH Molds or our overseas ratchet manufacturer or they're going to our local t-shirt printing company or they're going to like they're going to someone they're not going to Fang so I strongly prefer them and honestly a lot of people have I mean people send us just like really good discussion topics.

Yeah. Like, it's good. Yeah. I like it. Why don't you hit us with some merch messages, Mr. Bellavance? Starting with this one from Anon. Just something light and easy. What was your most embarrassing childhood phase?

Oh, Lord. I mean, well. That was always cool. Wow. I didn't have an embarrassing phase phase that was a cool as a cucumber response um i had many embarrassing phases i i i used to suck two fingers like like at school like i was i was like seven or eight by the time i i didn't do that anymore um I didn't do that anymore. Oh, man, I bet I was a bedwetter till I was like 14 or 15. Like when you are when you are like rapidly approaching dating age and like like like almost at the point where you're going to sleep in a bed with someone else and you are still like peeing the bed.

It's pretty stressful. I could see that um definitely you know I I don't know maybe it maybe I'm just interesting maybe I'm just an um yes internally embarrassed up with yeah yeah is that embarrassing well I was the reason why have you ever peed yourself at a sleepover no okay and had to like hide your sleeping bag. Okay. Okay. All right. Cool. Is that embarrassing? I was going to say, I don't think anyone else is involved.

Pwned F much. Well, I was going to say, I don't think anyone else is involved. And I didn't know, like, does embarrassing need to have other people involved? Or can you be embarrassed without anyone else involved? I think you can be embarrassed. I didn't know if it was a different term or not. Through fear of someone else being involved, I guess. Okay, fair enough.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. if it was a different term through fear of someone else being involved okay fair enough yeah yeah i would i would get up at like five in the morning at summer camp to make sure that i didn't need to like stash anything yeah that sucks and i'd go to the bathroom and i would hope that nothing would happen between then and when everyone else would wake up like oh man yeah uh so okay there was that um there was that period in high school where I was like, man, I was weird. I did like weird stuff. Like not just dyeing my hair. Like I did this thing once where I bought metallic gold spray paint and I spiked my hair and I spray painted my hair like metallic gold and went to school like that. Did that look cool?

It sounds like it might have looked cool. It looked sick. I mean. Is that embarrassing? That sounds. Well, I'm embarrassed now. Why? I mean.

It sounds sweet. I don't know. Okay. Here's the thing though. Whether or not something is cool, it's not a function of what the thing is, right? It's a function of who's doing it. So was spray painting your hair gold cool? Sure.

If somebody else did it, but I wasn't cool. So it wasn't. I still would have thought that was pretty sick. Yeah. Well, I wish you went to my school. Then we could have, we could have met earlier. I could have had some muscle protecting me back then. It would have been a good thing for me. I don't know what you would have gotten out of it but something yeah yeah i looked it up and i guess it is pretty independent of other i i thought embarrassment hat like you had to be embarrassed because of whatever but embarrassment can just be a feeling of shame so that would mean that it is kind of irrelevant doesn't matter um actually oh this is fun this is not related to the merch message But I actually had my former high school Reach out to me today

The high school? Like the school itself? Yeah, well the principal of the high school Which I guess functionally is The same as the high school reaching out I follow my old computer teacher On Twitter and he follows me too He's really cool So that's actually awesome that's pretty sick

yeah um so this is this is the school i went to uh the garibaldi school community has a rich and diverse history i don't see a ton of diversity in there but um bell tidin from the mic Then they go on to talk about How they are on the shared Unceded territories of Two of the BC First Nations So Yeah

That I guess is diverse Anyway They have some notable Graduates and this was really cool because i had absolutely no idea that some of these people like existed check this out this buddy is the world record holder in tree climbing and he went to the same school as me uh this is absolutely wild this is him okay check this out 80 feet ready set go holy he i don't think i could crawl that fast on level ground he looks like an actual animal like a bear is this when they have the like rope around the back or whatever a chain or whatever it is yeah yeah look at him come down too apparently they

can go as fast as 40 miles an hour coming down. So he stopped competing in that and started competing in other events. And then even though there's this other event that's like, oh yeah, here here's a good still of it. This is wild. This is wild. Check

this out. So you have to make yourself somewhere to stand and chop off the top. Well, you have to make yourself two places to stand. Have you seen this before? So you cut in and you put the plank there and then you stand on it? Yeah, that's right. So he was talking about, I was reading like an article about him, and he was talking about how compared to the other guys who compete

in some of these chopping events, he's like almost 100 pounds lighter than some of them. Like tree climbing, yeah, all the dudes are kind of small like him. Well, small-ish, like he's 5'10 or 5'11. He's not small compared to me, but whatever. The point is, he's like, yeah, so in that event, I made sense physically. But in these other events, I, you know, was a bit of an odd one out. And so I had to make up for it in precision.

bit of an odd one out and so i had to make up for it in precision let's take a moment to observe that nobody is watching buddy over here anymore because uh he's already done like i'm unbelievable with an axe anyway i i i've never really i don't i don't want this to come across wrong, but I've never really cared about what another person who I feel like has been arbitrarily put in the same group as me has accomplished. I don't feel a sense of pride that another Canadian ran really fast. Like I love, I love watching, um, you know, uh,

high, high level athletics. Um, but I don't, you know, I, I don't feel like I necessarily have anything in common with that person. I always cheer for Canada,

the Olympics, but that's mostly just like, cause it, well, what else are you going to cheer for? Like makes it slightly more fun. Everyone else on the couch is cheering for Canada are you just gonna sit there and like oh no I don't know right like I usually watch the Olympics alone these days oh well okay that's uncomfortable just a lot of other people don't really care my mom and dad do

so like if I watch it with them that's cool but yeah I I don't like I'm not like if I watch it with them, that's cool. But yeah, I don't like, I'm not like, if the Canadians lose, I'm not like, oh my goodness. I lost. I'm taking this personally. Like, no. So it's, and like, I have relatives that are on like huge ancestry kicks right now. Like, did you know your great, great grandfather did this? And I'm like, I guess.

It had nothing to do with siring me i like it didn't it didn't make me like smarter or faster or stronger or what what difference does it make to me and i know that culturally for a lot of people that kind of stuff is super important i think it can maybe be inspiring in certain cases like if you're like oh someone in my ancestry went down some path of of expertise or education or whatever but maybe i can do that thing but it goes the other way too like i you'll hear about people who feel a sense of shame that they you know are distantly related to some traitor or criminal or whatever else like i you'll hear about people who feel a sense of shame that they you know are distantly

related to some traitor or criminal or whatever else like you didn't commit the crime you're you're good yeah like you seem you seem chill everything's everything's good um but it was it was it was kind of fun it was kind of fun going through and and looking at some of the uh some of the other former graduates i think it says says a lot about the high school I went to that there was like 15 people and the school's been open for like 70 years or something like that. It also, I mean, part of that is like,

did they actually check in with what everyone's doing? No, no, they didn't. That's going to be a huge part of it. like did they actually check in with what everyone's no no they didn't that's going to be a huge part of it and you know what this might be something that they're just now starting on like going through and trying to you know figure out where the heck everybody's at now i would also potentially argue that they might be very focused on physical competition and business success instead of potentially athletics was pretty big at our school. Nothing that I could compete in. It was all rugby, volleyball,

basketball. Yo. There's a role in rugby that you actually wouldn't really get at. Yes, just like there's a role in rowing that I could technically participate in. No, the rugby one's major. Because he has to get the thing or whatever. Yeah, but get killed luke no my one of my buddies you met him at the land uh he was

the guy with the really disgusting keyboard um he he played that role it's called hooker i wasn't sure if i wanted to say or not yeah but it's called because they use their heels yeah yeah so he played that role and I played eighth man. And there was one game where I was already super pissed off because I got a clotheslining penalty while I was actively on my knees. Yeah, it's rough to be tall, Luke. I feel so bad for you. That's so ridiculous. Being Alpha Chad, you know, gigantic guy so you can clothesline people on your knees.

Oh, woe is Luke I should not have gotten removed from the game for something that was very obviously unintentional tell me more about your father I mean my dad's also a Chad yeah I know right

but I had to like throw people off of them because they were there was like a dog pile, basically. Yeah. And they wouldn't get off him. And that's one of my like favorite memories is like, get off my friend. It's ripping these people off. Yeah, but he could have been damaged at the bottom of that pile. That's

what I'm trying to say. He's fine. He's a durable fighter. Do I look durable to you? He's actually terrifying. He trains like MMA and stuff. He's a very scary person. I'm and stuff he's yeah I'm I'm not terrifying dude I'm not terrifying maybe you could be oh speaking of being terrifying it is

now I believe confirmed that we have an upcoming channel super fun where I will be fighting Dennis like actually like sparring but okay but yes are you guys going to like where okay so many questions what okay what kind um i believe it's going to be like taekwondo sparring okay yeah so going to like

a place for this i mean we'll have to go somewhere yeah we'll have to go we are gonna allow takedowns though but like no no ground brawling um so we'll allow takedowns we'll allow uh we'll allow sparring um and the stakes oh go ahead you have a pretty fancy belt in that don't you um i'm a black belt in uh a different it's kind of like it's a mixed okay i don't want to call it a mixed martial art discipline because MMA has taken on a very, very different definition over the last 10, 15 years. But it does not fall squarely under karate or judo or taekwondo. It's a mixture of different disciplines.

So yes, I do have a black belt. However, it has been a big fat 20 years since I trained. Yeah, there's a few things like that for me as well. So I'm gonna forget some stuff, but let's talk about the stakes because this is pretty fun. As you guys probably remember from, I believe it was last WAN show,

Dennis, with some help from buddy Colton, did some damage to the hardwood floors in my house. I've had some people reach out saying that there are ways that you can repair even tongue-and-groove flooring by apparently precision routing out the board and then gluing down a new one. And yeah, it's not like done right anymore, but it looks pretty good cosmetically.

So there might be, there might be ways to fix it without completely sanding down the whole floor. So maybe the cost will be less than I thought. But what I will tell you is at least here in Vancouver, getting anyone to even come quote a job that small can be a very, can be very challenging. So we'll, we're we're gonna we're gonna pursue it but yeah it might it might not be it might just not be practical to to get the floors

repaired um so the stakes are that uh as restitution if i win dennis will do eight hours of any chores at my house but obviously i had to put something up too. Yeah, yeah. So, because I am pretty confident, I offered up an equal bet, eight hours of chores at Dennis' house, if I lose. So we have a full day of basically doing any work

around each other's household at stake here, which I think is going to compel both of us to prepare for this pretty carefully. What I'm upset about is that when I've done things that you haven't liked in the past, we have not ended up in a ring. What is going on with this? Why is there unfair treatment of employees i'm not gonna i feel personally wrong in such a different weight class freaking guy no i'm not fighting you the one time he looked angry enough to hit me i ran not only ran i leapt a fence yeah i was i was getting away

from that talking about the other one i was like you, you didn't run. No, Connect Four. You were stuck in a car. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I almost caught you. Yeah, you did. Which is why I left the fence, because I can't outdo him in speed.

It's going to have to be agility, boys. By the way, I just want to clarify this. A lot of people are commenting on LMG clips that if I don't want people to wreck my floor, I shouldn't have video editors moving my furniture. I didn't know they were in my house. Like he did not actually ask them to do that. I feel like,

I feel like there was just a lot of anger directed at me in the comments of that video that bell, did you me in the comments of that video. Bell, did you look at the comments under that video? Yeah. Subscribe to LMG Clips. But the comments were all over the place. I just couldn't fathom it. And it wasn't one of those things where, you know how it is, right?

Where you'll read a thousand comments and the three mean ones are the ones that you remember. No. It was like a lot of them. And I'm sitting here going, how did you guys get this so wrong? I didn't ask for this. I'm just confused. Why did they? I haven't watched. I've watched bits of it.

I watched Dennis fall on the stairs like 47 times. They moved the bed to troll me by doing a bad job of painting a wall in my house because they know I'm particular about paint finishes. Got it. And then they did paint the wall. And then they did paint the wall. Did they paint the wall well? And they did do a bad job.

Ah. Okay. So mission accomplished, I guess. There was just a fair bit of collateral damage. Yeah, you should have had felt feet. People are asking who picked the challenges. They picked the challenges. I didn't know anything about it.

Like, I don't know what it is, but I feel like there's this assumption that I micromanage everything that happens here or that I somehow dictate the way that we do everything. I don't think you even could. There are 80 people working here. That would be a lot of work. Yeah, there's another really big one I've seen lately.

I saw a lot of this on the Power Supply Tester unboxing. What is with Linus always asking how much of my money you spent? It's a really simple explanation. There's particularly a handful of people internally. Jake, Kyle, Kyle, trying to think of who else loves memeing on this. But there's a number of people internally who love memeing on anytime, anytime they buy something expensive, they'll bring me over and be like,

look how much of your money I spent. I'm just like, come on! Like, it's people memeing. And the number of psychological analyses that I've seen of my behavior around talking about it as my money when it's company money or using it as a way to put others in their place or whatever else. I'm sitting here going,

whoa, whoa. Let's all slow down. I mean, I guess it's one of those things where people don't have the backstory. They don't know that we're memeing. But I guess what I would ask is, if you're not sure maybe don't assume not sure about what like if i'm if i'm you know subjugating people oh like using microaggressions yeah yeah yeah okay yeah i i don't know it's uh people like the my money lingo, maybe why it strikes people wrong.

Right, but that's what they do. That's what they do. They talk about it that way. And I mean, if we want to get really technical, you're right. It isn't my money. Yeah. It belongs to Linus Media Group Incorporated,

which is held by a hold code that I don't even know the name of because it doesn't really matter. It's just like a legal structure thing. It's a hold code that I want to call Yvonne Umbrella Corp, but I haven't really gotten a lot of buy in for that. But it's I voted for it. Yeah, it's held by the same hold code that also holds Floatplane and also holds Creator Warehouse. So Floatplane streaming service, Creator Warehouse merch run by Nick. And so, yeah, yeah, the money technically belongs to that company.

But if we were to choose not to invest it back into the company, which I think we've made very clear over the years that we are super into. Hence PowerSupplyTester. The second that I pay income tax on it yes it actually does become my money because yvonne and i own the company outright so i could call it that actually but the reason that i do is not to make any kind of point to anybody it's because people

internally think it's freaking hilarious to rub it in my face when they are spending my money so there's the full context guys i don't know it's just been it's been those two videos in particular there's just been some pretty wild theories about you know why i'm doing the things that i'm doing when actually it's what is it occam's razor sometimes the i always forget i forget i forget which razor it is where the simplest and malice or whatever uh then not that one where the simplest explanation is uh generally the right one the correct one yeah it's occam's razor um what do you want to talk about next i feel like there's still actually a lot on the docket. There is. There is.

Oh, I didn't know this at all. Did this like really recently get added to the dock? Starlink V2 will connect directly to cell phones. Oh, cool. That is cool. That's super cool. So you could like be on your... Because it's not Wi-Fi.

It's like... Wait, why would you even... So has like the hot spot i mean by direction gonna read i'm not sure okay tell me more musk and t-mobile ceo mike sievert sievert going with sievert roll with it yeah i love it uh announced on thursday that the next generation of starlink satellites will launch with the capability to provide internet connectivity, period. Okay. The partnership is called Coverage Above and Beyond. T-Mobile says in the U.S.

T-Mobile says in the U.S., but Musk says worldwide. Interesting. Got it. Musk at the live event said there will be no dead zones anywhere in the world for your cell phone it will save lives that is actually arguably valid that's super cool yeah there's even like i drove pretty far into the well i didn't i rode i guess i was not doing the driving uh pretty far into the interior this weekend and there was many times where i didn't have cell signal for a very extended period of time yeah for sure and like if something happened honestly there was a times where I didn't have cell signal for a very extended period of time. Yeah, for sure. And like if something happened, honestly, there was a lot of cars driving by.

But like if we went off road for whatever reason, something happened, like it could have been pretty bad. And like, yeah, you can say you should have other things with you, but a lot of people aren't going to do that. Any 5G cell phone will be able to take advantage of this service without modification. It's actually interesting. of this service without modification. It's actually interesting. T-Mobile's contribution to the project is a portion of their 5G spectrum called mid-band PCS

for a balance of speed, capacity, and penetration. Ideal for device-dense metropolitan areas. Not limited to continental US, which in this case, which has always been confusing to me and maybe someone will explain it does not include alaska even though it says continental yeah alaska's on the north american continent last time i checked yeah because remember when we did highlander they've drifted off toward russia but i remember they did high when we did highlander it was like the second tallest mountain in the continental United States. And I was like, isn't there tons of taller ones in Alaska? And they're like, nope, doesn't count.

I'm like, oh, weird. That's actually a thing. Oh. I just, I don't understand. I see. Yeah. Anyways, it is, yeah, it is not limited to that. Hawaii, Alaska, see, Puerto Rico, and territorial waters are all covered.

Per Musk on Twitter, connectivity will be two to four megabits per cell zone. Ooh. So it will work great for texting and voice calls, but not high bandwidth. That makes sense. The service will be beta trialed in selected areas at the end of next year,

and will be included for free with some T-Mobile plans. That's pretty cool. That's cool for T-Mobile. Tesla vehicles currently connected to the AT&T LTE network will also be able to connect to Starlink V2 for a speed increase. Tesla breakdowns in remote areas will no longer leave drivers stranded without a signal.

Interesting. Cool. There's a discussion question. Is the two to four megabits per cell zone figure per user or in total? Will other cellular carriers around the world cooperate with Starlink? Will Tesla drivers have any control over their connectivity when crossing international borders? All legit questions.

These are all very good questions. We can't answer it all. Yeah, we have no way of knowing. I mean, I think that SpaceX has shown that they have a pretty clear idea of what the path into the future is for Starlink in terms of the actual infrastructure itself. But with respect to how billing works, how crossing geographical arbitrary lines on a map works uh there's there's still so so so much to be sorted out it's exciting to me i really like this idea in general um i i hope starlink over time is able to come down in cost uh i just talking to a bunch of people i know a lot of people that would move to less densely populated areas more quickly if things like starlink were more easy to get

including uh a story that i don't think i'm going to get into uh for reasons that i'll maybe explain to them later but one of the float floatplane employees has been thinking of moving somewhere that's actually super cool. Yeah. But there's major internet hookup issues and Starlink came up, but then availability of getting it there is like kind of potentially a problem

and all these other types of things. Right. And I didn't see the end of that story. And there's reasons why I don't think we should talk about it. But yeah, like being able to enable people to move more places and to hopefully uh make it less of a requirement for career advancement to be in densely populated metropolitan areas yeah that'd be awesome sweet

yeah um you can go now by the way if you want where am i going just away i'm leaving yeah uh one of the youtube commenters said they just feel so sorry for you on the WAN show. They feel sorry for me? Like you can tell you just don't want to be in the chair anymore. Oh, yeah. I just want to. Oh, yeah. I just want to.

Oh, yeah. It's terrible. It's. A little bit more body language analysis going on here. Sorry, we were talking about this before the show. Yeah. Oh, boy. Sorry we were talking about this before the show Yeah Oh boy Do you need to have some birds to take care of Or like

Actually that stuff is done Oh do we have an update on the birbs We are done Okay so for two weeks It's a long period of time Have you told people about this On stream much I don't know i know

you talked about like the the smoke hurting the birds right yeah i can't i don't know if it was pre-show or main show i can't sell okay well we're getting an update on luke's burbs health issues yes yeah i have two small birds they both got sick uh we were thinking we're fairly certain that they both got sick because of smoke inhalation. No one, my roommate, nor myself, nor my girlfriend smoke in the apartment. My girlfriend and I don't smoke at all. It's not us, basically, you know. But there is considerable, like very considerable, like I start getting headaches from the amount of secondhand smoke that i'm getting smoke floating into our apartment from people that smoke below us in the

apartment um and smoke can kill birds extremely quickly um both of our birds weigh roughly 30 grams and are like mostly made of air because of what fills feathers and stuff um so they don't have a lot of mass to like deal with processing that type of stuff so they can just like take them out they both got sick we think that was why uh did some stuff to better like seal the apartment so less of that starts coming in and needed to feed them antibiotics for two weeks through syringes where we had to catch the birds this is like almost like trigger warning level, like upsetting content warning.

Yes. Go ahead and describe it. It's bothersome. So they have really bad low light vision. So we would turn the lights down. So it's very, very dim and I can barely see, but I can see they can't see.

I have to catch the birds and I have big clobbering hands and they weigh 30 grams. So I have to try the birds and I have big clobbering hands and they weigh 30 grams. So I have to try to not crush them. But I also have to hold them firm so that they don't squirm around with their wings and break a wing. So I have to make sure that they can't move their wings, but I'm not crushing them. And then I have to hold their head in place so that they can't get away from it. And then my girlfriend, I have to take the syringe, which has like just a plastic end. It's not a needle. Yeah. But I have to take the syringe and work it into their beak and feed them the medicine. And the one was hilarious because I would catch him and then he

would complain, which would involve opening his mouth. So it's really easy to deal with. Um, he's funny. And then, yeah, then the other one is one is more you know on it and he would not complain but he would close his eyes which was always heartbreaking um if i had him in my hands he would try to get out of the grip and he would try to like bury his head in my hand yeah which was sad but also cute uh but yeah he would close his eyes he would close his beak and he'd tuck it and it made it really hard um and that was they were clearly upset about it we'd we'd have these moments where they'd be like making it very clear they would they were upset one of the things they do when they're angry is they spread their

little wings out little 30 gram thing is like i'm big come at me bro yeah it's like it's like basically like me doing it but then there would always be like a moment later where they're like okay we're cool um okay but doing that for two weeks like they were they were clearly very unhappy about seeing hands like if i was talking to them near their cage and i moved my hand on my leg you'd see the bird go like sup what's going on over there? So that was unfortunate, but that's over now. So I'm very happy about that. Yeah, you know, I,

Floatplane Chat was talking about this. I never really thought about how kind of dark the canary in the coal mine saying is. And like the use of birds for that but it totally makes sense now like i always just thought oh canaries have a particular sensitivity to whatever particular gas was a problem in that particular type of mine i'd ever really thought about that generally birds just do have very little actual mass. So any kind of toxin just knocks them out, just takes them out.

Yeah, really fast. And like when they get sick, they try to hide their sickness because there's this hunting thing where people will talk about how like. I don't want to misquote this like like lions, if they're hunting zebras. Sure. They'll often go after the, the, the, the like weak ones or whatever. But the reason why they do that is because it's the easiest one to individually identify. Oh, so they just all know we're going for that one. Not because it's weak. It's because they can all identify it.

So there was a problem where there was like researchers that were, they would add like a tag to a zebra. And they would find that those ones would just always die. Because the lions would get them every time. They weren't weak. They were easy to identify. So there's something with birds where they will try to hide that they're sick. Right. Yep. So it's really hard for us to identify. So there's something with birds where they will try to hide that they're sick. Right, yep.

So it's really hard for us to identify. And there's like little, little things that you can kind of pick up on, but they try to hide it. But something about the canary in the coal mine thing, I know this is not a tech topic, but I'm going to share my screen really quick. Yeah, for sure.

I thought this was really cool. Canary in the coal mine oxygen tank, a canary resuscitator. So the miners felt bad for the birds no way and they made little their little tank and it has an oxygen tank built into it and they can bring the birds back shout out i knew there were good miners somewhere and like yeah it's like they a lot of them actually cared um that is so cool yeah and like it's still rough right like it's not it's a tough job but someone's got to do it and i'm not saying like you should use

animals for whatever and i don't want to get into those types of topics but i i just after getting birds this conversation came up and i looked into it and the fact that, I don't know what the heck this is. I don't know what that is. But the fact that they like cared and some of the people went and made this thing, I just thought that was really cool. And they gave it a little perch. Yeah. So it's comfortable and stuff. Like, I don't know. It doesn't look like the most comfortable enclosure.

No, and it's very small and yada, yada, yada, yada. But it wasn't like they just like let it die and didn't care. Oh, True Scott says it wasn't due to just let it die and didn't care. Oh. True Scott says it wasn't due to the feelings about birds. It was due to a shortage of canaries. That honestly makes sense. But I'm going to think of it the other way. Thanks, capitalism. Darn it.

Canary shortage. All right. I still think it's cool. Why don't you hit us with a couple of merch messages? Brutal. From Aaron, do you know at this point if Lab32 will be obtaining accreditation under a standard for their testing for credibility or anything like that? Okay, so they ask, ISO 17025, I don't know if they're competent at testing calibration laboratories, a sure must for credibility. Honestly, I'm going to leave that to Gary.

I mean, if it's just a matter of us having our own internal best practices that we publish, not even best practices, our own internal policies that we publish, where we publish how often we check for calibration of our tools or whatever else, then if he thinks that's good enough, then I support it. If he thinks that's not good enough, then I support that too. I mean, that's the thing about hiring experts is you've got to kind of trust them one way or the other. And, um, so far, man, that, that whole team has been just like a dog on a bone. Um, has been just like a dog on a bone. Every time I'm like, hey, could we do this? Like, okay, I had the idea, like toilet idea, right? I'm like, man, with the way that SSDs are going from SLC to MLC to TLC to QLC to PLC, I mean, we're gonna have five bits per cell soon,

which has a significant impact on write performance to the NAND flash, right? I'm like, with the way that SSDs are actually, in a way, getting slower, and with the way that internet speeds are, at the same time, getting way faster, it could conceivably happen that your system SSD could be a bottleneck when downloading games. Like you could actually, like there could be some validity to buying a gaming SSD because you need to be able to sustain 100, in some cases, 120, 30, 150 gigabytes of constant data flowing in it. I mean, here in even Bumble North America, I always love hearing Japanese people

talking about how fast their internet is and how cheap it is. I'm like, well, the whole world can't be Tokyo, okay? So, I mean, even here in North America, we're getting residential internet connections that are two and a half gigabit. Now, that's 250 megabytes a second, which, sure, when we look at the marketing data for SSDs doesn't sound like that much.

We can do 7,000 megabytes. Right. But can you do it sustained though? Can you though? And so I was, so I'm, so I'm messaging Gary. It's like middle of the night. I'm like, Hey, here's an idea. And he's like, um, Oh,

and the other thing that i that i wanted to look at was um the other like toilet idea i had was the standard for like cat 5e or cat 6a cabling or whatever else is you know x amount of speed at y distance right and i was like yeah but does anybody actually test that like what if this adapter like doesn't doesn't do 100 meters that would be a good thing for people to know so i so i sent him over these things and he like immediately responds which he's not like supposed to because he's not working but he's like with this like long thing typed out he's like yes we have actually considered both of these and we will we will be adding these to our test suites for like these categories and this is the part of the lab that we're going to build it out and i'm sitting here going why do i even

why why do i even send these messages because clearly you guys okay to be clear i have actually come up with things they didn't think of but nope i'm i'm really really really really excited um to have a really talented team working on this. Some of them are public now. I've seen a couple comments. People have noticed. We never really announced it, but they have quietly noticed that our keyboard guy, Antoine, has a pretty cool work history, as does our audio guy, Sam.

We are very serious about the talent that we're recruiting, and it's going to be good. You mentioned Japan. I did. Matthias asks, hello from Japan. Oh, sup, Matthias? Matthias J? What's your most memorable tech experience from your visit to Japan? P.S. We still use fax machines daily in the office.

But are they internet-connected fax machines running at 1.6 terabits per second? No, probably not. The airport Wi-Fi was pretty crazy. I forgot about that completely. The airport Wi-Fi was mind-blowing. Actually nuts. And this was back when

here in... Oops, I think i bleeped in the wrong spot well whatever north america um our airport wi-fi was like barely functional at that point in time because i i was going through purging some pictures right like a week ago or something and i came across the airport wi-fi from when we were there because i took a picture of it because i was like this is insane. At that point in time, not now, but back then, that was faster than some people's internet that I knew personally. Oh, yeah.

At their house. 100%. Like, that was crazy. Sorry, everyone's virgin ears. My most memorable tech experience. I mean, I'm going to cheat a little bit. And I have to say the, the Omron factory tour, it was, it was, it was such a moment for me, uh, where all of a sudden I was getting insight, not just into, you know, that switch that Logitech sponsored us to go,

you know, watch being made or, um, Omron the company, but I, i got far more insight than i was expecting into the japanese work culture and quality yeah culture yeah it's just it's different from the germans who we had just visited at uh zf and um and cherry it's it's it's different but it's but it was these two completely different paths to exactly the same goal. Doing those two tours back to back, roughly, not quite, but you know what I mean, was really cool. It gave me a ton of respect for the dedication to quality that culturally um at least within within these companies right you know obviously you can't just paint with broad strokes right yeah you know oh everyone in japan is x or everyone in germany is y like it doesn't work like that obviously but it was it was very cool just uh seeing how proud they were of the redundancy they built into the Switch.

They said, yes, it's extremely precise and it's very high quality. And the best part, there's two of them. Mic drop. Right? I remember specifically, I don't know if this ended up on camera or not, but I remember specifically having a conversation about like one approach is excessively high quality, do it once. The other approach is really high quality, make it redundant. Yes, that was the German approach versus the Japanese approach in a nutshell, having seen the manufacture of precision mechanical switches in both countries, essentially.

Yeah. Question here from Adam. I have a quick question regarding satellite internet systems for gaming here in australia our broadband network is terrible especially in rural areas and i was wondering how viable starlink would be in terms of latency it's not great it's it's it's just got to go a long way and you know yeah um australia also just is a really long way like even across the surface area that have wildly better internet yeah well it's not an excuse figure your stuff out australia well it's a long way okay the excuse is that long of an underground cable to serve that many people is expensive and and i'm not saying it's a good excuse especially for what australians pay for their internet bad excuse australians get

hosed for internet and i have felt bad for them for a very long time there are other countries that are in just as bad of a situation that or or similar i guess uh that have way way way way cheaper access to way better connections um yeah i don't know that's it ben rousey says funnily new zealand has great internet while australia sucks that's over in floatplane chat is that true though as far as my understanding goes yeah well that's i don't necessarily know well that's not very neighborly maybe they should share their pipe okay to be clear they are completely separate countries and not actually that close. I don't know enough to say that it's great internet or not, but many years ago, the last time I looked into this, it was faster and cheaper.

I don't know, though. It's been a long time. All right, then. From Bennett. Hi, Linus. I prefer manual screwdrivers, but my friend prefers electric ones. What made you decide to go with a manual screwdriver instead of an electric one? I mean, they both have their pros and cons. The big thing for me is that I'm, well, not the big thing for me. I'm really used to using a

manual screwdriver. I always forget to charge things. I really wanted bit storage in the driver and really organized. And obviously, if you took up the internals with a motor and a battery, it would be a little more difficult to do that. I don't think it's impossible for us to do a motorized screwdriver at some point in the future, but there would have to be a reason for us to do it. We'd have to have identified something

that we can do better. In the case of our manual driver, it was really clear to me that the perfect combination of ratchet feel, bit storage, and ergonomics had not yet been achieved. So that was what we set out to do. But with a motorized driver, just because I don't personally use them, it would be less obvious to me. And I would really need to spend some time trying to answer that question. I think there's also a sacrifice. You're gaining speed and potentially also power, but I think you're giving up a certain amount of control, which computers are still a relatively small electronic.

I don't know. And one of the big things with computer screws in particular, I mean, to be clear, it's designed for you to work on anything, but one of the things about computers is most of the screws are pretty short so to think that an electric driver is going to help you go a lot faster than like this um i legitimately often all you have to do yeah yeah question here from rowan linus you often say nick is going to kill me for showing this about prototype LTT products sure yeah but why what's the reason for keeping the business under these products under

wraps the reason is that it creates a bunch of demand for products that people can't buy and what if that product's like two years out yeah what if what if someone's like oh well I was going to place an order but that product's not available yet. So I'll wait. I'm annoyed that I have known about Skull & Bones for 10 trillion years and it's still not out yet. Yeah. So there you go.

Like it's, I completely understand his perspective. I just get really excited about things sometimes and I really want to talk about them. So that's how he and I end up butting heads. And to speak more specifically about the Skull & and bones thing too, like what we were shown in like 2017 or whatever looked like, oh, we're probably going to have a game very soon.

But it could be the same type of thing with this type of stuff. I mean, the screwdriver was like that for sure. Exactly. If you have a version of the screwdriver that like works and you can show off and it's like, oh, wow, that looks really close to being done. And then maybe there's a hiccup here or a misstep there or whatever happens. Some company falls under that you were working with. So now you need to work with someone else and things change and things happen.

And it can be very frustrating as a consumer. So you just don't really talk about it until you're more confident that it'll be coming soon. We talk about that in the video that is going to be accompanying the screwdriver launch. in the video that is going to be accompanying the screwdriver launch, the difference between making one screwdriver and mass producing a screwdriver is colossal. And we, we learned a lot. Uh,

we learned, we learned a lot. Uh, Oh, Oh, I need to talk to you guys about something. Um, okay.

So I've talked through already about, I've, or I've talked to you guys already. Those of you who watch regularly will know what I'm talking about, but I've talked to you guys already about my issue with pre-orders, right? When you provide money for something that has not yet been seen, you are essentially inviting a company to screw you over, right? They could cut corners on the product before delivery. They could just not deliver it. You are essentially giving your money interest-free to someone else to hold it and who knows, right? So we haven't taken pre-orders on Backpack or Screwdriver.

With that said, I've talked about how these have been major, major investments for our company. So with Backpack, what we did was rather than making it pre-orders, we did a small pop-up shop and we opened up orders after the pop-up once people who bought the Backpack, legitimate, real world, actual customers, had had some time to review the product and leave their reviews on lttstore.com. So at that point, from my point of view, that is a back order. That's not a pre-order. The bulk of the shipment is still pending, arriving at our warehouse, but there are real backpacks reviewed by real customers that are available to anyone who's looking to make a

decision. And thankfully, that strategy has paid off really well because the reviews are excellent. And, you know, as you guys have probably seen, we've sold over 20,000 backpacks already, which is a huge, huge relief and a long way toward the break-even point in the project. As I said earlier, I think we're going to see another big boost once they're actually in stock. And as we head into the into the holiday season, and you know, gift giving season and all that. So overall, backpack. Oh, success. It's been it's been a relief. Yeah, anyway, screwdriver. Now, what we're planning to do tomorrow is we're planning to have a live stream. I already announced that we shipped to Project Farm already, right? Yeah. Okay. So we are going

to do a live stream tomorrow and we've got two separate dates that we could go live with screwdriver pre-orders. Do you mind to set up a poll? Yeah, please. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. We've got two different dates that we can go live. We can either go live at the moment that the live stream goes up, where we will be allowing, I mean, I can't say completely unsupervised, because when things are live, spicy stuff can happen. I was going to talk to you about that. I know, I know. It is what it is. Well, there's some potential solutions oh okay maybe this is

actually a good time to bring it up because i wonder what other people think so something that we could do is have it so that like we have a producer yeah and the stream goes to a rig and we can either cut out parts or mute parts if people say things that are like obviously not good and i don't mean about the screwdriver oh that could be construed incorrectly yeah i mean like someone walks up to the mic grabs the mic and just starts yelling a bunch of like stupid ridiculous things that we wouldn't want on our channels ever not that it like with nothing to do with the screwdriver because that could be bad yeah okay so to be clear the point would not be to censor any impressions of the screwdriver just to make that yeah abundantly clear but is that

is that like okay or no i mean because the original idea of having it just on floatplane was to try to make the impact of that potential reality less but now you guys want it on youtube yeah and that's um because we would have essentially the whole idea was to not have editorial control and now we would have some amount of editorial control it It's for a good reason. Yeah. But I'm wondering what the community thinks about that. I think that overall, we've had really good experiences

with our community at in-person events. 100%. We have never had a problem with that. And that's not to say that it'll never happen. I'm sure it will at some point. But I think that by and large, the kinds of people that show up at an event like this are, are not looking to, you know, to hurt people

for no reason. So I think that from my point of view, we should probably just go with a straight live feed. I think that if anything were to happen, we can just cut that out of the VOD. But that would be that would be in the VOD, not the live stream. Because for me, the important thing is that where that live stream is going to be set up. So it'll be I believe it's a two camera setup, one for the person, they'll be probably small in the corner. And one overhead is at a desk where we'll have screws and wood and some computer components like like dead ones from FreeGeek, where people can actually use the driver

and give their first-hand impressions. That's the idea behind the live table. It's cool that you guys are still working with FreeGeek. Yeah, those guys are great. So here's the idea, or here's the question. Should we go live for back orders during the live stream if you guys are sitting there watching people's impressions we're we're not able to control what they say if they don't like it they're going to say they don't like it if they like it they're going to

say they like it or do you guys want us to wait give give people a couple days with it, a few days with it, and go live with our back orders maybe like Tuesday or Wednesday, like sometime mid-next week? I'm going to leave it up to you guys because we've had a fair bit of debate internally about which date is right. So we've got our poll going up on Floatplane. right so we've got our poll going up on floatplane uh yes when we go live it will include the black version for backorder all right show the results let's see what the people think good lord they are quite split on this yeah wow i'm actually pretty surprised man a lot of wow a lot of people are it's it's like quite settled in at 60 40 yeah that's wild uh do we does um here we'll we'll wait for people to vote a little bit more and we should probably we should probably provide like does straw pool still work um i know we were having a lot of problems with a different one

i don't think it's dot me anymore oh yeah it's like gone yeah i think it's dot com now okay is it like the same or what i think sort of okay create a poll. Here we go. Schedule meeting? What? There's a schedule meeting button on StrawPoll. I don't even know. Yes, you would still get an email notification. The email notification would just go out the moment that we open up back orders. Yeah.

Okay. Multiple choice. Here we go. I'm just going to word it the exact same way. Your admin rights are only temporary okay i think that okay yep yep twitch you're getting a poll you're getting a poll i'm dropping it in there i'm working on it i'm working on it here you go here you go i gotta confess i thought that it was i thought that it was, I thought that it was fairly, uh, I thought it was a fairly simple matter that if people were there giving live impressions, like it's not, I don't feel like this product is as complex as a backpack. I feel like you can learn a lot of what

you would need to know about it from using it for five or 10 minutes. Is it comfortable? Is it, you know, whatever. But, but, you know, we've had some debate internally. We've had some people that agree with me. We've had some people that take the other position. So the only conclusion we could come to was to just have you guys decide, because at the end of the day... I personally just wouldn't care. Because I understand the people that say wait a few days, but I would just personally wait a few days. Like, I don't know. Right.

Yeah. I don't know. So, yeah, I mean, it's up to whoever. I just like... I would be interested in seeing, like, oh, someone took it home and like really thrashed it or whatever and whatnot and like okay that's cool i'm very slow about making purchasing decisions though so that's just me um yes that's that's a thing forever is a kind of

slow yeah yeah that's true um but like that doesn't impact when i think they should go up like i don't it doesn't make a difference to they should go up. Like, I don't know. It doesn't make a difference to me, but we'll see what other people say. All right. It looks like it is basically split 60-40. Well, actually 57 to 58% wait a few days, 41% during the live stream. So I think it's, I think it's that simple. I think basically we just leave it.

What were the percentages? Sorry, say again. 58% wait a few days. Well, it's moving a little bit. So 41% during live stream. We probably shouldn't bother multi-poll in the future because it's 1% off. Yeah, it clearly didn't make much of a difference.

I mean, you never know. We have seen cases where the sentiment around something is very different within the floatplane community versus this one the broader sample size of one is stupid yeah yep yeah absolutely all right well i gotta i gotta tell you guys like i would have i would have preferred to do it during the stream i think it would have been pretty hype and pretty fun uh but putting it live a few days later is not the end of the world either, so that's what we're going to do. We did kind of rush

sorry Luke Don't apologize to me to get a lot of work done just in case we were going to be in case we were going to be launching tomorrow and we're not doing that. Thanks Conrad but yeah He got it done

Yeah, Rob the Tank says it's not an issue of trust, Conrad. But, yeah. He got it done. He got it done. Yeah, Rob the Tank says, it's not an issue of trust. It just seems pointless to not do pre-orders but then back-order it before reviews. Well, that's the thing. Like, I thought that people standing there saying whatever they wanted was pretty solid.

Okay. All right. was pretty solid um okay all right uh no zero crit we will not be doing that forever sorry i do like i'm i'm one of those peeps that would wait until what was his name farm project farm project farm i would wait until like a project farm or someone like that got their hands on it um so but but again that so i don't care when it's available for back order in that situation i would wait for whatever my mark is uh for some people that might be text version of reviews where people have taken home for a few days for some people that might be uh like another independent creator whatever um but yeah uh oh speaking of um ordering things someone i i don't know what your username was i copy pasted part of the part of the thing and not the whole thing someone apparently wants to order 28 backpacks uh don't pay full price

we'll sort something out contact customer care um give us a little bit we're working our way through the well maybe they have like their whole team or something like that I don't know like not personally you're not just gonna like make a wall out of backpack backpack bed I plan to live 300 years and I will never use any other backpack

go like no I don't think it's like that but yeah make sure you get in touch with support it could take a few days. We're working our way through a pretty colossal backlog. Ever since the backpack launched, it's been a little heavy. But we should be mostly caught up by the time Screwdriver goes live, which will then probably... Apparently, yeah, it's a whole office.

Yeah. Some people said they saw the comment. Got it i that's a super cool like office gift yeah that's like super cool um as baseline as possible as calmly and as balanced as possible i'm going to bring up um some people have asked about the warranty for the screwdriver. Oh yeah yeah we have all the wording done here. Is it going to be posted? It'll be on the product page. Cool. Screwed why? Is it currently Conrad? Conrad would know. I don't think it is. I don't think the actual description is on there yet. Okay. Here's the product description, work in progress. Will that be on the product page before we start taking the pre-orders?

Yep. It's already done. I just need to find it, find the wording. Okay. I'm going to read it to you. Cool. None of you guys. Cover your ears.

Oh, my goodness. This is the wrong one. Did he send it to me in Teams or something? Sorry. I need a minute. Oh, my God. Why is the wrong one. Did he send it to me in Teams or something? Sorry, I need a minute. Oh my God. Why is it doing this? Maybe I can try to find another topic. Yeah, sure.

Gaming hardware prices are all over the place. Too late, I got it. Here's the final copy approved by legal. The LTT screwdriver is covered by a limited lifetime warranty against breakage due to defects in materials or workmanship for the usual and customary life of the tool. The limited lifetime warranty does not cover bits as they are considered a consumable item. Tools which have been subject to abuse, misuse, negligence, or improper storage. Tools which have been used improperly, e.g. using the screwdriver as a pry bar or a hammer, especially ratcheting

screwdrivers. Guys, come on. Tools which have been altered in any way, normal wear and tear, including breakdown of materials over time, cosmetic damage, including scratches or changes in the finish of the plastic handle, products purchased from unauthorized dealers. To complete your warranty claim, you must send the product to the address provided by our customer service team.

Freer to Warehouse Inc. reserves the right to inspect your product to determine if it is subject to this warranty. If we determine that your product is covered by this warranty, we will, at our discretion, one, repair the product at no charge for labor or parts to replace the product with the same model product three replace the product with a comparable product should your product be discontinued or otherwise unavailable or four provide you with a voucher to be used toward

the purchase of other products on ltdstore.com in order to make a warranty claim you must be the original purchaser of the ltd screwdriver from ltdstore.com or provide a copy of the original proof of purchase i'm gonna wrap god going to rap God partway through there. No, no, not so much. Just going for it, sending it. Some people are asking, so at the event, it's limit one per customer, right? Oh, I didn't really think about that. Yes.

Is it? Okay. So people are wondering if there's a limit when you're doing the pre-orders. Oh, I don't think there should be i don't think so i don't think there should be because we're gonna have a hundred thousand of these freaking things like i got some screwdrivers to move like i can understand maybe limits at this event just so you don't sell out before the end of the day yeah and maybe near the end of the day you lift the limits or whatever yeah i mean this is not like a major scalping concern i don't think um they could be kind of short at the beginning but our production capacity for screwdriver is higher than our production capacity for backpack um about like a lot coming we have a lot

well okay we we have a lot coming but there will be there will they're going to kind of come in waves like backpack and there are certain parts of the process that can be bottlenecks and and that could be delayed so if you want to get it um if you want to get it like like get an order in but also i i don't think it's going to be necessary for us to say limit one per customer if If you want to buy one for your friend or buy some for your office or whatever else, then by all means, go for it. Good old MAPE has a good point. Definitely not hoping for a limit. Bulk ordering for a few people for shipping to New Zealand.

Yeah, and you can expect shipping to be a lot lower worldwide on the screwdriver because it's a lot smaller. Nick has confirmed there is no limit on line. Okay, there you go. Cool. I see a lot of people commenting about why there is no warranty on the bits. That is industry standard.

There isn't a warranty on bits. If you wear out your bits, which are made of S2 tool steel, and screws are specifically made of materials that are softer than bits, the idea is that the screw is supposed to wear before the bit. If you do manage to use that bit enough to wear it out, the idea would be that the cost of a replacement bit would be fairly negligible. We're going to be selling bit packs for, I believe,

it's either $6.90 or something like that. $6.99 online. Yeah, nice. Took me not that long, but a little bit longer than I'd like to admit. It's a really aggressive price considering how many bits are in a pack but i that's cool i i had to i had to mean always down with the aggressive pricing so they'll be they will be they will be available in different types

of packs there will be one that is the default loadout uh there's one that's like all like phillips focused we've got a list here actually. We'll have metric hex bit set, Philips bit set, imperial hex bit set, torque slash security torques bit set, and specialty bit set. I'm assuming the specialty bit set

has like the Y and all that weird stuff. Nintendo and Apple ones and stuff. Ben Mitchell asks, is there some kind of weird shipping situation like the stickers or the backpack? Would it be cheaper to just order separately or should be bulk order you and your friends should order together uh for the screwdriver there were enough people confused by the backpack how we were shipping part of the order and then billing and shipping the backpack separately later that we've canned that this time not for backpack

backpack will stay the way that it is just to avoid confusion but screwdriver your order will ship complete so it will delay other items you order i want to make that abundantly clear now especially because screwdriver were a lot more solid on when it's going to start to ship backpack like we had one of the shipments we had one of the shipments get delayed by four weeks fortunately one of the other ones got moved up by two weeks yay it worked so we should assuming nothing else changes still be able to hit our um we should still be able to hit our shipping windows on them i wonder how many backpacks are floating in the port of vancouver as always we will strive to under promise and over deliver so take that for what it is we got you and speaking of taking things for what they are

uh we screwed up with a story last week the apple Apple ad story. Last week, we were covering a story about Apple's personalized ad system on iOS following a report claiming Apple plans to prioritize. You keep doing that. Oh, I'm so sorry. I highlight what I read. And it's not the fact that the text changes color. It's the fact that it's Google Docs. So it says the name of who it is, and it puts that on top of the words. So it makes it literally Google Docs. So it says the name of who it is. And it puts that on top of the words. So it makes it literally impossible to read. But Apple plans to prioritize growing its ad revenue

from $4 billion to $10 billion a year. Wouldn't that be nice? By increasing the amount of ads Apple users see even on subscription only services like News Plus. What we got wrong, after trying to set up a new iPhone and not noticing any pop-up requesting tracking permission, Linus accused Apple of following a... I mean, I did go through the setup process. It wasn't an entirely unreasonable thing

for me to think that it isn't there. Yeah, I did say a bunch of times that we didn't really know, but accused Apple of following a rules for thee but not for me type of approach uh since third-party apps are required to present such a pop-up when the app comes up um a user famous exam 4207 okay nice uh pointed out on the LTT subreddit, Apple displays such a permission pop-up when opening the App Store. So we didn't get to that part.

As of iOS 15, it claims Apple does not track you or share your personal information with any third parties. We're thinking the Apple does not track you prompt is basically saying that it doesn't track you across third-party apps and websites uh which they which they indeed do not do so so what we should have said apple plans to increase the number of ads shown to its users just after it instituted stricter privacy rules that weakened its ad reliant. So it's less just blatant toxicity and more like antitrust stuff. As we said last week, Apple's ad revenue has tripled as competitors have dropped.

The issue here is not Apple being hypocritical or increasing user tracking. It's that they are using their power and reach to fundamentally alter the mobile ad industry in a way that benefits them. That's fair enough, but I would still they're they're playing the same game yeah but they're just increasing their stake the rules of the game which are which are good which are we want these which are better yes yeah they're better rules they're good rules well you should be happy about these yes they are they are they are better um i think we'd all rather have just like less ads on devices we pay a thousand dollars for but i don't think there should be any ads like the fact that there's ads in windows is insane samsung tvs uh we did a review one recently and literally like when we press home on the tv it was either 60 or 70 percent

of the pixels that's wild or ads on a device that you purchase that's crazy yeah so i'm not i'm not defending that that's actually like super ridiculous i hate it uh it makes me want to have not smart tvs especially because smart tvs are often like so slow and incapable that i don't want the stupid tv to have built-in stuff anyways just let me do it with my own devices and whatnot but anyways that's a different topic um yeah there's a lot of questions about screwdriver um oh boy hold on a second uh no if you order additional items they will not be sold out while you wait for your order to ship they will be put aside and they will be marked as sold. Spanner security bit. That's going to be in the FU bit set, because it's the one where manufacturers say FU.

So it includes like tri-wing and like stupid stuff. Is that the specialty bit set? Yeah. Oh, sorry. Internally, we call it the FU bit set. Okay, yeah. It's not from us to you, from the manufacturer to you that you should even need them.

Yeah, I'm not even, like, are you sure about that? That's the specialty bit set? Yes. Okay, okay. not from us to you from the manufacturer to you that you should even need them yeah i don't i'm not even are you like are you sure about that that's the specialty bit set yes okay okay i believe there's a spanner in there okay um yes bit sets will be released at the same time garan ninja yes there will be robertson bits if you know you know superior superior canadian technology um man there's a lot of people asking questions about this. I just got to scroll. I got to scroll. There was another one. I think I might have scrolled past it.

Okay. Well, at any rate, there you go. Yep. I'm over it. I'm not going to find that last one. All right. So, yeah, I guess that's it for the Apple thing. The other thing, Apple doesn't track you outside their own ecosystem,

but they don't need to when their users increasingly stay inside their walled garden of hardware software and recurring subscription services. Yes. Okay. Not unfair, but it's not unclear either. And that is, I think, the main place where this could be a problem, is if they have the pop-up and it's clearly stated and you say yes, then you're saying yes. And if they have the pop-up and it's clearly stated and you say no, and they only ask once, I think that's cool.

All right. I don't know. Whatever. Riley does note that it still feels a bit unfair to me that Apple can ask you once for permission to track you across all their apps and services, but other companies have to ask you again for each individual app. Yeah, that is a slight advantage. I don't think there's a ton of companies that have a bunch of different apps. Anthony's also mad. I would argue that due to the bundled nature of Apple's applications and the permissions that they have by default, any ad served to you by them constitutes an unfair advantage, especially if you're asked

the moment you open the app store. Also, I've been getting ads in Apple News Plus despite paying for it and I hate it. Yeah, I mean, I agree with the Apple News Plus thing. I don't understand or agree with it being bad that it pops up when you open the app store. Well, no, he's upset that it only happens once, that you're never prompted again. So it's upset that it only happens once that you're

never prompted again so it's like i mean i i wouldn't i wouldn't i have never noticed it i've never noticed that that's what they're asking me when i first opened the app store and i would have thought 15 oh okay i haven't this is new with ios i haven't used ios 15 i would expect to find it in the setup of the phone me too which is why i got us to yeah so when it wasn't there i was like it's not here i would read the prompt and not want more pop-ups i can understand why people might want more pop-ups um as long as there is a prompt at some point i don't necessarily mind it. I also think I would probably side with Apple on this one, which is against Riley and Anthony,

come at me bros, in the needing other developers to ask every time, because that sounds like a system that could be abused. Like some, some new thing trying to sign up under the account of some other like bro company that they're friends with so that they can skirt this thing because they think everyone's going to be okay with this one app, but not with this other one. Yeah, that would absolutely happen.

There's lots of paths for abuse. So I do not want that personally. But it's okay for Apple to have that abuse vector. It's, I mean, mean yeah to be completely honest so because it's pretty obvious when you're installing an apple app and when you're not riley didn't say i don't think it's i don't think it's a hidden thing that you're installing an apple application or using an apple application this is my whole point so like i actually i'm going to take that back and say, no, I don't think it's the same abuse vector. Because one of them, I'm talking about them like cheating and abusing the system. And that's why I don't necessarily want the system to exist. And the other one is if you're using an Apple application, you're probably pretty darn sure

it's an Apple application. So you know what's happening. I don't know. Okay. I don't like ads to be super clear. I'm not reading the chats. I don't know how Okay. I don't like ads to be super clear. I'm not reading the chats. I don't know how people are taking this. I just don't like,

I have always been a proponent of wanting to, I think there's a lot of things you can go after Apple for. I don't think it's good that they're increasing their ads. I think it's reprehensible that they have ads on this news plus thing that apparently Anthony's paying for that blows. I would be super pissed if I was a user of that. I think there's a lot of things to go after them for here. I just,

to me, the prompts thing is like, I don't know, whatever. Anthony is updating the dock in real time. I'm watching that. I want to see it. I take issue with the app store thing because I would associate that prompt

with the app store, which I might want to track me to recommend apps. This is instead system-wide, which is an unfair advantage that Apple has. It is. It's a different set of rules. That is pretty minor. Well, he's not happy about it and he's a user.

And that is fair. Yeah, in this case, that's fair. And the fact that you are served this before even being able to download any additional app, Apple or otherwise, is pretty sketch. You have to look at this, even if you don't look at any Apple apps. Because of his point about like,

I want to get recommended apps, but I don't want to get recommended ads. I think that's if that wasn't a thing then i don't know but but i think it is fair because of that yeah uh what else do we have to talk about we're oh we're hiring uh we're hiring more social media people must live in canada already also we're still trying to hire another writer for mac Address. Jonathan Horst doing a great job, but he needs some help. Let's go, let's go.

If you think you've got what it takes, we'd love to see your application at linusmediagroup.com slash jobs. Yeah. Get it? Mac Address applications, linusmediagroup.com slash jobs. That's actually, that's not it at all. That's pretty funny. That's really not it. That would actually not it at all. That's pretty funny.

That's really not it. Not even a little. Okay, so the only thing we're going to say about hashtag Twitch respond is that that is a developing, an absolutely developing story right now. Basically, one Twitch streamer who was banned from the platform

for an offense related to hate attacking someone else's stream permanently banned for the offense has called out Twitch for a perceived difference in their

application of rules depending on the uh you know gender race or any other of the lines we use to divide ourselves from each other and i think the only thing i really have to say about it for now because as we have here in our doc it's very much a developing story is that Twitch does have a problem to solve with respect to even application of their yes of their of their community guidelines YouTube's having the same problem right now it's it's genuinely I have never even heard of this hashtag I have no idea what creators are involved I don't know what's going on all I would say is that it is actually a very difficult thing because it's one of those things where people will look at this company as like a person

or a single entity, but you have to, you have to figure out the actions and resolutions of an entire team of people that is managing this. Um, I'm not saying they can't do better. Yeah. I'm just not surprised that there's problems i mean the all we need to look at to to to kind of end cap a discussion about twitch's opacity when it comes to application of their rules is the doctor disrespect ban what's even happening there no one knows no yeah no one knows and it's quite possible my understanding is some kind of settlement was reached so it's quite possible that the world will literally never know what happened there i have no idea again that's another thing that i know nothing about i didn't follow it i don't know i just don't care uh oh apple extends the self-repair program to add m1 and pro and max

macbooks after the successful launch of the self-service repair program that initially targeted iPhone 12, 13, and SEs, MacBooks are finally getting parts availability, and the parts available are actually surprisingly comprehensive. I will read them now. Logic boards, displays, batteries, trackpads, keyboards, keycaps, touch

editing sensors, hinges, screws, lid angle sensor, MagSafe board, antenna module, vent module, fans, coolers, audio board, flex cables, uppercaseercase and bottom case the fact that they actually have chassis components available is impressive that's the only word i can really use for it i have not seen that before steam deck this can you buy a chassis for the steam Deck? I'll look it up if you want to check that because I know I've had conversations with Microsoft around that Surface

component that we bent trying to get it open and they were like, no so the fact that Apple is making these available is pretty freaking cool with that said the tools provided are similar to the tools provided for phones, including the option to rent a toolkit for seven days at $49. They do.

Backplate and front plate. Okay, good guy, Valve. $25 each. While purchasing these parts for ourselves, we noted that it was possible for M1 Max SKUs to purchase logic boards that did not match the original configuration. So additional memory, more GPU cores, and more storage were all available. It was also possible to purchase weaker configurations, including M1 Pro. The store indicated that we would only get a $378.40 rebate from downgrading our most expensive MacBook Pro to the least expensive option. It's not clear if this is a

bug or not, but the fine print says that selecting the wrong parts may prevent completion of the repair. So it sounds like they might actually just ship the wrong thing if you order the wrong thing. Pricing in general appears to be high considering the cost of the devices themselves, presumably to prevent people from simply assembling their own MacBooks. Not that they could anyway, because the parts are locked behind a serial number filter. So go f*** yourself, Apple. Discussion question. Would this kind of parts availability have completely prevented the iMac Pro saga and

reduced it from a massive undertaking to merely quiet grumbling at pricing? Yes. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean, it was like a $5,000 computer or whatever. I would have gladly paid $500 extra for a logic board just to be able to fix it. That was what I asked for at the time. I still think that there's absolutely room for them to do better, but this would have prevented most of my anger. I think our last big topic is gaming hardware prices are all over the place

yeah i think there there might have been one other one but i don't really remember let me find this one yeah nvidia says that excess inventory is dragging down its balance sheet i wonder why you have excess inventory you said it wasn't because of mining i can't imagine what else it could be uh jensen mentioned this during their Q2 2023 earnings call. To deal with it, NVIDIA will reduce the number of GPUs it sells to manufacturers of its GPUs, also known as board partners, and laptops so they can clear... Clear put? Clear out.

Ah, you put your thing there again. They can clear out existing inventory first sorry nvidia has also instituted programs to price position our current products to prepare for next generation products price cuts come in very good let's go that's cool especially because they're already back down a fair amount yeah they got hiked. Not only was there scalping that increased pricing, both from retailers and people, but there was also MSRP price hikes during the big mining push.

So it coming back down is good. Jensen also hinted at exciting next generation GPU update in September. I look forward to next month's GTC conference where we'll share new advances of RTX reinventing 3D graphics and gaming. Cool. I don't know about reinventing.

Meanwhile, Sony is raising prices of the PS5. We're seeing high global inflation rates as well as adverse currency trends impacting consumers and creating pressure on many industries, says Jim Ryan, president and CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment. Could be as much as a 20%

increase for disc and discless models in every major market except the US. Is it still impossible to get one? Back in July, Meta slash Facebook increased the price of the Quest 2 headset by £100. That's a 33% increase.

Microsoft is currently the good guy. by 100 pounds that's a 33 increase and microsoft is currently the good guy they announced there will be no price increase but did state they are constantly evaluating the market so an increase could come further down the line it sounds like the game pass um game pass subsidy is going well um essentially uh jose lmg i i don't i i don't know what you mean by variable tax products um but i we don't use squarespace for our store so it would be a shopify thing anyway sorry they just keep posting this in floatplane chat oh yeah okay cool uh yeah i just looked right now in playstation 5 on on best buys website best buyBuy.ca's list that is coming soon. Yeah, I know, right?

Oh, there was other big Sony news. It's not in the doc, but they're getting sued like big time. Yeah, like each consumer might be able to claim back like $600 because of alleged overpricing of games. But the thing about games is maybe this is going to be an unpopular take, but I don't think you can overprice a game.

You don't need it to survive. It's not food. It's not water. It's not shelter. This is a luxury good. If you don't like it, you can buy some other game. I don't really understand this, to be honest with you. How do you get $600 for that?

Well, it's like over an enormous span of time. I thought they had the same price games as Xbox. I don't know the details. It's not in the doc. It's a UK suit for the UK store. So maybe it was just a matter of like the currency conversion or whatever else i like feel like there's something more this if they win this basically any product anywhere that got an unfavorable currency conversion is going to be affected by this this could be an enormous enormous

precedent and the problem with that is that it could result in a big issue for particularly developing markets where they get lower pricing that is essentially subsidized by developed markets. If you force companies to charge exactly the same around the entire world, on the one hand, yes, you in the UK or we in Canada or in the USA or wherever else, we might get better pricing, but there's going to be a whole world of other people that are going to be adversely affected by this. So I...

Apparently they listed a $70 game for 70 pounds instead of converting $70 into pounds. Yeah. These are going for like 80 USD in the UK, so they'd increase by $10. Part of it as well is like the apple and epic thing of the 30 commission therefore they're overcharging because they're just adding a commission to the sale price of a game sure so i think this is going to be this is going to be a

complicated one and i'm going to need to give it a little more thought do a little more research before i have a clear idea of which side i stand on because it's obviously not cut and dried it's as much due to locking into the playstation store much like the app store suits yeah i'd need to know a lot more about what's going on here so like yeah that is part of it um that there's that there's so it's kind of following up on the stalemate, I guess is what you would call it between Epic Games and Apple over the fact that there are no alternatives to that 30% cut, which does it is baffling to me that any consumer was siding with Apple on that. It literally costs you anywhere from whatever percent to 30% somewhere between zero and 30% more to buy

things from a monopolistic seller. Okay. You, you shouldn't be a fan of that. That that's bad for you, for you. Yes. You, unless you're a, unless you're an Apple shareholder, in which case, I don't know, maybe you're coming out. Maybe you're coming out even or coming out ahead. I don't know. holder in which case i don't know maybe you're coming out maybe that's what's maybe you're coming out even or coming out ahead i don't know um oh we should do some rich messages hit me bell not too hard first one here is from skylar how do the both of you handle being interrupted while in a workflow i get distracted for a long time yeah Yeah. I haven't really done. Sometimes it can really derail me to the point where it's like, I think it depends how much of a groove I was in.

If I was like really flowing really well and I was, I was, I was moving quick and someone derails me, I can find it hard to get back there. But if I wasn't in as, and it's like very frustrating and it's like mentally taxing, but if I wasn't in as good of a groove and someone derails me, I find it easier to get back to at least there. That might sound like a weird comparison. So if I, if I'm doing

like really well and someone derails me, I'll get stuck doing bad for a while. If I'm doing okay and someone derails me, i can get back to doing okay pretty easily if that makes sense yeah hopefully that makes sense question here from anon been watching since the beginning has there been any tech that has come out since you started doing this that you've considered life-changing i mean i guess smartphones existed before I started making videos. Barely. Barely. It was close, but technically, yeah. Yeah, technically, yeah.

So what would be life-changing? I mean, fiber optic internet, super life-changing. Ooh, RTX graphics. NVIDIA, am I back on your good side? Is your life RTX on? What is that article? Did you live slightly longer with RTX in your life or on? What is that? What is that article? Did you live slightly longer with RTX in your life or whatever that was? I don't remember that.

Just buy it. That one, right? Yeah. Yeah. Man, life changing. I think practically nothing, to be completely honest. Electric car is kind of life changing for me. Like I don't go to the gas station.

That is a change in my life. Yeah, I don't have one. So it doesn't count for me. Um, hmm. There's like really minor stuff, but I don't think it changed my life. Like I guess technically almost anything could change your life. Having this conversation changed our life. But, uh, Jaden posted in floatplane chat. almost anything could change your life having this conversation changed our life but uh jayden

posted in floatplane chat when you look back at your life how much of it do you want without rtx yeah what a ridiculous what a ridiculous thing um yeah i think one of my favorite things to now exist is just way better induction charging like having my mouse that is wireless and never needs to have battery changes or be plugged in or anything like that is great did you just do that nope we'll see how this goes what's next anon asked if we've considered having a run of left-handed screwdrivers they are uh they're ambidextrous so yeah i was gonna say hold on we don't need a left-handed screwdriver, but thank you for the suggestion.

From Jet, back in the day of YouTube Originals, were you guys ever approached to start a new series? No. We kind of came up with some ideas that I thought were sort of cool. Back when YouTube was 60% pranks, I thought tech pranks would be kind of neat so each episode would be uh setting out our goal working on whatever technology we need one of the ideas um was like i oh i remember this you had you had me developing theories for this yeah yeah so

this was a long time yeah i i tried to kind of pitch it to them a couple of times but there was never really any momentum so we would we would come up with like harmless like nothing awful but like harmless pranks that were enabled through some combination of technology hardware and software and then you'd have like a payoff um and some kind of learning outcome like you know oh and we did all this with an arduino or we did this or we did that uh but it didn't really get off the ground i remember a couple of those from noah been watching for a long time and we know a lot about you guys but we don't really know you what's something that we might not know about you that we

really should why don't we do each other? Okay, so we both know too much about each other. I also don't know what people might know. People might know something. I don't know like what people might know. People might know something. I don't know.

I don't know what people don't know. Okay. How do we, I mean, I feel like if I'm going to disclose anything about you, I need to at least like make sure, make sure you're chill with it. Yeah,

I can't. You're on camera so much that I don't witness that. I have no idea. nobody knows that no for reasons but no okay okay so not that sorry yeah okay uh thinking yeah i don't i don't know i oh maybe it was a bad idea okay i'll try to think of something about me i don't know i'm pretty i feel like i'm a pretty open book what do they not know about me um i'll tell you what you can do both of us well i can't even think of something for you you can't not really i don't know okay well like you said i tried to shove it off on you there's like little that like i can't think of a specific fact but i think the statement of like we don't really know you guys is fair and true parasocial relationships are bad and you don't see us off camera yeah you don't know us but like the things

that i can think of are very like uninteresting i don't know. Okay. I was born posterior. I don't even know what that means. It means that I was... I took a lot longer and was a lot more painful. And my mother reminds me regularly. Gotcha. I was extremely quiet as a child. That's so not interesting.

I think I bored myself just saying that. I thought you said you were cool. His farts are really bad. I don't know if you guys know this. You have the loudest sneezes. Yeah, that's actually true I have extremely loud sneezes And they hurt

It's Yeah Yeah I think that's it This is over next one That was so boring sorry I love how it was the qualifiers that we really should know It's like born posterior and quiet as a kid i forgot that there is nothing you really should know if you should really know

it we have said it um and that's all you need to know i've said some things you shouldn't really know yeah yeah there was that really awkward thing a couple weeks back. Yep. All I'll say is cigarettes. From Mattu. Hi, Linus. What's your take on the cloud? Or are you a more on-prem kind of guy? Seems like everything's moving to the cloud, and I just can't see myself giving all my data to Microsoft or Amazon.

I do not. Other than for work. There's forms of cloud that aren't companies like microsoft and amazon you can form your own backblaze sponsor the show today just saying um yeah you can like work with a a server hosting provider to get your own servers and make your own cloud if that's what you want to do i don't have a cloud subscription service that's not for work. Like I have an expanded drive thing for my work email that I just get so many emails

with so many attachments. I don't really have a choice. I'm not going to go through and prune them. That's not really good use of my time. So I just have a big data cap on my work drive account. But other than that, I don't. I just store stuff on my own NAS

or I will will since I conveniently have a super ball and internet connection at work that I can just set up servers on the other side of I can just back up stuff there too question here from Anon Linus one time during a video you had a Dale jr. NASCAR driver hat on Are you a NASCAR fan. No that was given to me by Ivan and I asked him what the fuck and he didn't really as I recall have a great

explanation for why he gave me that hat. Sounds about right. Yeah. Or he did have an explanation but I have it made no sense to me so I don't remember it.

That's also possible. Yeah. And I think that is pretty much it for the wan show we will see you guys again next week same bad time same bad channel it's a bad time and a bad channel bye I have reviewed an analog keyboard.