The WAN Show - Lenovo Attacked My Investment - WAN Show August 19, 2022

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

Get a $100 60-day credit on your new account at: http://linode.com/wan Save your time and sanity with New Relic at https://www.newrelic.com/wan Save money on your phone plan today at https://www.mintmobile.com/wanshow Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119 - Timestamps may be off due to change in sponsors) 0:00 Chapters. 1:08 Intro. 1:33 Topic #1: Lenovo sends Frameworks a cease & desist. 2:53 Legion logo compared to Mercedez-Benz. 4:10 Linus & Luke agree with Lenovo. 6:04 Topic #2: Apple restricts third-party tracking. 7:42 Ads sold on applications, hypocritical Apple. 10:50 Luke setting up an iPhone to check tracking. 11:10 LTTStore's RGB hoodie. 13:56 Lambo edition LTT bottle. Cont. Topic #2: Apple restricts third-patry tracking. 15:13 Reading Apple's "transparent" when setting up. 17:28 Topic #3: Discussing Metaverse's look. 19:16 Horizon Worlds, making avatar via Readyplayer. 25:26 Merch Messages #1. 26:32 Important lessons Linus teaches his kids. 29:38 Secret shopper for cell service provider. 30:54 Do writers have partial ownership of channels? 33:24 Favorite daily-driver phone. 37:18 How much damage Denis (& Colton) did to Linus's house. 44:22 Trust Me Bro Limited Lifetime Warranty. Cont. Merch Messages #1. 47:00 Trust me bro shirt was requested on Twitter. 47:51 Sponsors. 48:05 Squarespace site maker. 48:53 XSplit live streaming. 49:42 Secretlab gaming chair. 50:52 Topic #4: DOOM ran on tractor display. 53:12 Is there a more anti-consumer company? 58:46 How John Deere hurts everyone. 1:00:16 LTTLabs is not LTTLab, discussing domain. 1:04:02 Lab32, reason behind the number. 1:06:26 Merch Messages #2. 1:06:34 Camera bag for the backpack, domain Strawpoll. 1:07:58 What games would Linus & Luke install on the tractor. 1:09:44 Steam alternatives. 1:12:30 "All domains I own" segment. 1:15:28 Frameworks' used hardware market. 1:16:30 Project Farm screwdriver testing. 1:17:28 LTTStore Screwdriver pop-up. 1:19:38 Linus calls about backpack's availability in the pop-up. 1:21:54 LTX, Linus recommends against early booking. 1:22:54 Merch Messages #3. 1:23:02 More home server, automation & labs. 1:24:45 What Linus plans to leave behind for the new owners. 1:25:37 NCIX's impact on Linus & LTTStore. 1:29:10 Hiring experienced V.S. learners. 1:33:14 Topic #5: Tesla accused of false autopilot advertisement. 1:38:02 Merch Messages #4. 1:38:12 VPS company suggestion ft. Linus's birthday. 1:39:40 Valve Index features & suggestions. 1:40:28 What do Linus & Luke eat? 1:41:58 Coolest case Linus & Luke built in. 1:44:00 Take on Samsung's Z Fold 4. 1:44:30 Labs on repairability or jailbreaks. 1:45:25 Labs on mics, interface, XLR & TRS. 1:48:12 Linus on long time format. 1:49:47 Any cool projects for computer vision? 1:49:56 What business help Linus got. 1:50:29 Budget server rack. 1:50:54 Benefits of gaming to buy consoles. 1:52:18 Floatplane QOL features & motivation. 1:54:32 Why Colton is always fired. 1:56:08 Do LTT employees get discount on merch? 1:58:28 DOS gaming PCs build in the future. 1:58:42 LTT RGB merch idea. 1:58:58 Linux-like challenge with Apple. 1:59:38 Linus on Beat Saber technique. 2:00:06 Selling YouTube videos for revenues. 2:02:52 Recommendations for rack-mount gaming 2:03:22 Linus's Epson projector. 2:04:22 Outro. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is up? How are y'all doing? It's Friday and welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. We're going to be talking about the cease and desist that Lenovo issued to Framework, the laptop company that I invested in, over their power button. We will also be talking about the potential upcoming branding for LTT Labs. Spoiler alert. It is not going to be LTT Labs.

Otherwise, I just spoiled it. So alert, I have not spoiled it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. John Deere tractor used to run Doom. Oh, this is so big. Because we are slowly reducing the amount of things in the world

that can't run doom no it's a bigger story than that luke but we'll talk about it it is actually very cool um also trust me bro oh no you're really making that a headline topic i was gonna try and i was gonna try and slip it in somewhere screwdriver pop-up okay sir sweaters the metaverse is awful shill harder luke shill harder yeah let's jump right into our first topic i admit i debated you guys a little bit i actually agree with lenovo this was this was a thing did you say you didn't had to happen well okay i guess i didn't but the the implication might be that i'm like mad about it but there's nothing to really be mad about it looks pretty innocent it doesn't look like it was something they planned to do. It looks like a very reasonable design

if you're making a plastic thing that needs to continue working and also needs to be moved. Yep. Obviously, it's not their logo because you can't 3D print their logo without the centerpiece falling through. But the reason that Lenovo came after them,

Framework tweeted about about it is that the resemblance of frameworks power button on their first party 3d printed case um to the lenovo o legion design is unmistakable that's what we call in the biz and oops, my bad. Yeah. And they're already working on it. They asked for like community contests, which is a kind of a cool idea where people can submit designs and whoever can come up with the best design is going to get a free i5-1135G7 main board, which is cool. which is cool. It was noted by a forum member, Midcor, that Lenovo's O Legion gaming logo used to actually look like this, but it bore a lot of resemblance

to the Mercedes-Benz logo. So as it turns out, there's just not a whole lot more ways that you can put some things through or on a circle actually oh am i i'm wearing it right now i happen to be wearing our case shirt design that has been pointed out to me looks an awful lot like the renault logo oh renault cars you know what yeah not intentional no association whatsoever it just happens to be a, what is it? Isometric view of a box.

It's a computer case. It wasn't the intention, but that's what happens. And given the fact that Lenovo and Framework do exist within the same space, they both make laptops, say for example, I can understand why Lenovo, whether they wanted to or not, had to point out that their trademark was kind of being infringed and you guys really need to make a slightly different looking power button.

So as much as I don't think anyone wanted this to happen, I actually agree with Lenovo's cease and desist. Clearly Framework isn't too salty about it either. So they are figuring this out. Now, our discussion topic here from Adam, from our writing team, is why do companies waste time and money on things like this?

They legally sort of have to. The reason is that they actually have to. If they want to keep their trademark, then they have to uphold their trademark and they have to go after anyone who is illegitimately using their trademark, then they have to uphold their trademark and they have to go after anyone who is illegitimately using their trademark. And this isn't one of those things where Lenovo tried to trademark an actual circle or, you know, putting the letter I in a word. This is very clearly a

logo design and very clearly looked pretty much identical to the one that Framework was using for the power button. I do agree with all that. It is a little annoying because, like I said earlier, that design is very logical for making a piece of plastic that would depress down into a button. Yes. And it wasn't a logo on the product. Yeah. It was a functional.

It was literally just a functional piece. So that part is pretty annoying to me, but I do agree with the things that Linus said. You can use it in court cases. You can say like, oh, well, they haven't defended this before. So there was precedent set that they wouldn't defend this in the future. And people have won cases based off that. So you actually do need to defend these things.

It's just again like this i could see this being annoying for 3d printers that are trying to commercialize certain products oh for sure but then again if you're not trying to make an enclosure for a laptop motherboard maybe they won't go out then they probably don't have to defend it because you uh it's enough removed i believe yeah we're getting into things that we don't necessarily uh dabble with yeah i'm not an expert but i do know enough to know that they they do actually need to go after this yeah in other news apple has restricted their ad tracking or i'm sorry apple restricted ad tracking yes but not necessarily their own yeah not their own

that's the whole yeah yeah yeah. That's the whole point. You know what? Fine. Why don't you do it then? Mark Gurman, hopefully I said that right, predicts that Apple is going to significantly expand its own advertising business. And I was told by Riley that if this guy says something like that, it's going to be a thing.

So apparently this is technically a rumor, but also not really. This is hilarious this is this is much more notable because of other recent actions that they have partaken uh they implemented app tracking transparency that requires developers to implement a pop-up asking users if they can track them outside of the app but it doesn't do that for their own apps that's hilarious because those are first party apps with first party tracking that apparently does not need the pop-up i am not an apple user it is unclear to me if when you are first setting up an iphone does it ask you if it is okay to track or not because that to me completely changes this situation okay well why don't you keep talking about it while i go get go get an iPhone and wipe it. Okay, cool. Yeah. Because

to me, basically, if just like on Windows, right, when you're first setting up Windows, it asks you a bunch of different things about how, like, oh, can you can we take diagnostic data, when we're going to take it anyways, but can we take advanced diagnostic data? Or can we just only take basic diagnostic data, etc, etc, etc, all the way through the setup. If it's similar to that, if Apple says, can we track you for advertising reasons, whatever, when you're first setting up your your iPhone, then this isn't a big deal. To me personally, I understand other people might disagree. But if they don't ask you on initial phone setup, and then they also don't ask you for individual apps, then that's a little bit scummy.

Um, apparently when Apple first implemented their app tracking transparency system, um, Apple's own ad sales tripled, um, while third-party app companies like Facebook and Snapchat had their ad sales dropped by 13%, which is like massive when in some cases, that's like pretty much your entire business. Apple does sell ads on some of its platforms. Apparently, they are planning on expanding this potentially. Apple sells ads on Apple News, Stocks, TV Plus, Sports, and inside the App the app store apparently developers complained with the app store because they have to pay to get the top search result for their app title but that's a problem with google and everything else as well it's almost like monopolies are bad yeah it's just

almost almost negative way but sort of how it works oh man this is great. It's just, it's so, I, the thing that drives me crazy about Apple is not that they are any more evil than any other gigantic member of a monopoly, duopoly or oligopoly or whatever, you know, whatever. Basically any, any other company that exists within a highly consolidated vertical. a highly consolidated vertical. No, they're honestly, they're not really any worse. But what they are is hypocritical. What they are is arrogant. What they are is smug. And so they'll sit here and wax philosophical about all the ways that we could protect the environment and do better and, you know, whatever.

And then it comes out that, you know, oh, their big idea here is that we'll stop shipping chargers with our phones. No, that's a cost-saving measure. That's a cost-saving measure and clever marketing for it. You never cared about the environment, even one bit, that had nothing to do with the decision. And it's the same thing here.

Apple will talk endlessly about how much they care about user privacy. And then they will go and put all their Chinese users' data in a data center that is quite literally owned by the CCP. I'm sorry. Oh, so you care about your users' data as long as your users aren't that color. Okay.

Sure, Apple. Good job. You care about all this advertising tracking until it's your ad. Good job. You care about all this advertising tracking until it's your ad. Good job. Well, maybe. So it's fine, I guess. You're not really doing anything any worse than anyone else, probably. But you just are constantly engaging in this double speak about it.

Just say, yeah, fuck you we're gonna take all your data like okay fine unless they're not okay so here it is which we need to figure out yeah okay all right so luke is going to set up an iphone for probably the first time no really i do for full play ah okay we have an ios app oh boy i don't know do you want to you want to tell us tell us about it oh in the meantime i should probably tell you guys what's new on the store because we have like four topics for the show today we got like nothing so if there's anything you guys want to hear us discuss, now's a really good time to send in a merch message.

And maybe we can go have a look at what it is, talk about it on the show. I don't know what happened to the doc this week. Do you know this? Crap, what's the Wi-Fi password? Oh, balls. I will look it up. Okay, you know what? No, I'm going to, yeah, yeah, yeah balls. I will look it up. Okay, you know what?

Yeah, you look it up. I'm going to show off what's new on the store here. Holy crap, we have a lot of stuff that's new this week. Okay. I will go ahead and screen share with y'all. Here we go. The RGB hoodie

is here. You probably didn't even notice yet, but I am actually wearing this hoodie. It doesn't show up on camera very well, but it has these fun little color flecks. It's called a multi-nep where they weave in these little colored little bits of other colors. I'm not describing it very well. You know what's easier is probably

just going onto the product page and showing you guys what it very well. You know, what's easier is probably just going onto the product page and showing you guys what it looks like. So there you go up close. It kind of looks like that. So it adds just a little bit of fun into, uh, an otherwise just comfortable, stretchy gray hoodie. Uh, another fun thing is that it actually comes with, I think, Ooh, does it not? Okay. I don't know. I'm not going to say anything then. Okay, so that's it. Subtle, stealthy branding down on the kangaroo pocket. Yeah, I think.

Nope. It doesn't look like it. What the? Oh, man, come on. Okay, apparently I have to look up the Wi-Fi. So anyway, if you guys want to pick up an rgb hoodie we've got those live on the store awesome my my favorite shirt so far is the the white uh i think it's just called multi-nep uh but that one it looks super great i know right now on camera from there you can't see it so much, but it looks really, really cool.

And it's nice that it isn't just like random paint that was like tossed on it. It's actually little bits of fabric. So it like feels cool. It looks great. I really like the rainbow neck thing. That's also on the shirt as well, but you don't see that on the sweater. You can see for him him it's mostly hidden but for me because i have mine completely open it kind of lays out on the side and looks kind of

cool yeah i like it a lot these are like our favorite when we got the shirts i was like man i hope we have a gray shirt i didn't quite get a gray shirt but i got a gray sweater pretty sweet we're getting there we're getting there luke. In other news, we finally have it. It finally happened. The Lambo edition of the LTT water bottle is here. I don't have any notes on it, and I don't even know where to find it on the store. Linus, it's right in front of you.

No, I mean, no, I can see the water the water bottle smart ass i just don't know where it is on the store i don't know where people can buy it it's probably just on the water bottle with its own color thing no it's not it's not so i don't uh oh it's gray Why would it be gray? Okay, well, the Lambo edition bottle is here. Nice. Okay, it's gray. So good luck finding it if you didn't happen to watch this segment of the show. We'll need to change that.

The color looks very different in person than it does in the photos. Hopefully that's just a display calibration thing for me, but it's more of a dark green less of like a like a neon green so hopefully you guys don't end up um thinking that it's a different green or whatever uh how's that how's that set up oh you're on data and privacy now okay this icon appears when an apple feature asks you to use your personal information you won't see this with every feature since apple collects this information only when needed to enable features, secure our services, or personalize your experience.

There it is. There's the juicy one. That's the good one. Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right. So every Apple product is designed to minimize the collection and use of your data. Use on-device processing wherever possible and provide transparency and control over your information. There's learn more, continue. We're gonna continue face ID set up later

Great passcode I don't did it. Well, you're just gonna wipe it again. Anyways, yeah, but use one that I will know you use them Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, please change. Okay. Thanks cool Because I would never guess that yeah I'm trying to think of this one. Yeah. thanks, cool. Because I would never guess that. Yeah. I'm trying to think of this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool.

Oh, man. So, honestly, doesn't look great. Seems like Apple is basically just doing their usual rules for thee and and not for me i haven't even got there yet really well i mean it was right there they basically said yeah we're not going to collect it except when we need it to personalize your experience personalize your experience is just marketing speak business speak for collect your data and serve you people in chat told me that there's an option but now now I need an Apple ID to keep going. This is just going to turn into a whole thing. I have one, but there's no shot.

I remember the password. Yeah, I know mine. But yeah, is that it for the store stuff? Did you talk about the discount? No. There's a discount. There is a discount. There is a discount. There's a discount.

For a limited time, you can buy a Swacket and get a scarf for 50% off automatically applied at checkout. Just add both to cart. There you go. The screwdriver warranty will be available next week if you're interested. We'll go over that in a bit more detail later. Yeah. There you go. No more information.

That's all you get. Other than that, I think it's just things that we'll talk about more later uh if i can do another topic right now um i don't know if you've seen this but the not a text message service they're calling the metaverse looks awful have you seen this colton i did it looked terrible it's actually stunning like i i thought it was a joke i saw it many times and i thought that just like some youtuber or tiktok person or something made a fake image and people were like that's funny and kept pushing it around uh and then only when i sat down here did i realize that it was actually real and actually sent out by the mark himself um but yeah let's let's let's get this on screen um you want your screen up just right now so this is an actual message wait what from mark

zuckerberg i thought this was a joke that's exactly i thought this was like a wee like apparently no apparently this is horizon worlds we're launching horizon worlds in france and spain today so it initially launched in like i think it was canada the u.s and uk does he just like have a secret desire to be a vtuber and the meta building the metaverse there's no way because vtubers look way better they are way beyond this like vtubers are in a completely different world um than this people are saying photoshop no this is paint like or like maybe they uh filled colored cells in excel or something this is like pretty much the worst thing i've ever seen. It was pointed out by, I believe, Plouffe wrote this topic, that Horizon Worlds, a free VR game published by Meta,

was released in December 9th, 2021. It has an 18 plus age restriction. It was initially released, yeah, in Canada, the US and the UK. And it has 300,000 users as of February. Second Life, a game released in 2003 initially has 900 000 active users now um apparently this has been updated it's somehow worse that you know there's this like whole joke that he like people say that he looks like a lizard or he looks possessed or something that doesn't help yeah the eyes um i don't think there's a soul behind them also the

game's already out so that was a screenshot from the game so they can't really like make it much better just like that like they they there's some message that he sent out apparently about how they're going to be like working on it and improving it uh-huh yeah of course it is not rated very well but i can't tell if it's just being review bombed because it's facebook um yeah yeah i can't stop looking at this it's just such a joke like oh my goodness so he's digitally selfie-ing in front of a monument that looks awful and he looks awful and the other monument behind it what is this button looks awful but he just and the grass looks so amateur and what i think are potentially trees on a mountain look awful but i have no idea what they even are um yeah it's it's it's horrible

um the discussion question is how is he so proud of something that looks so bad is he genuinely clueless has he never played a video game before even vr chat looks way better than this yeah i honestly don't know uh i've been wondering that for quite a while there are other oculus first party apps that look wildly better like the home yeah that's been out for like oh ever oh yeah astronomically better than this oh yeah so like it's not like they're not capable of more the beat saber avatars yeah are like on par oh and they're not even trying yeah are you talking about that oh no you're not okay no no that's a different thing okay i was thinking about the like avatar that you use when you have the like no no no that's perspective that's a different okay so that's um oh oh v vr me or something like that.

VR me. Ready player me. Yeah, you can create an avatar of yourself at this level of quality in like minutes. Here, choose your body type. Take a photo. We're going to go through the process. I'm going to make a better avatar than Mark Zuckerberg with his billions of dollars in metaverse funding. And I'm going to do it on this crappy webcam.

One moment, please. Oh, oh, no, I should pick a file. I should pick a file. Hold on. That's a good idea. So that updated picture that you posted, there's also an updated landscape and architecture, landscape and architecture textures models meshes whatever you want to call it picture um they they got posted on instagram i have that post from zuck himself uh but we'll we'll show that after oh perfect so good here we go just the widest chin

um okay yes that is linus it's perfect i've never seen anything that looks more like linus before uh i mean it's not great here let's just we'll give him a beard It's cause it's using generic like pre-made You know what Not bad Better than I think it's using canned like model things Okay so you can go to my screen These are the updated ones

Oh my god this is so scary Okay it is Worlds better than the thing on the left yeah yeah yeah world's better and i would say this looks more like james than like me but this also doesn't look yeah it's okay it's mark it's mark but he also has a very distinctive gigantic forehead and very short haircut. So hard to say.

Hard to say. Either way, the fact that this was just a simple little like character creator thing. That can be put into VR, to be clear. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a VR model. Yeah. So this is what I used to create the model that I use for,

uh, full body streaming beat saber. And it was so here I'm going to show my screen real quick. So this bottom one, uh, which I'll raise up. So it gets above our camera. This is the like landscape architecture textures thing that I was mentioning. So that looks wildly better than what it looked like in the picture. i would say while this still doesn't look like necessarily that great there is an art style going on here and it is wildly better than the previous one the thing that i don't understand is i can't go back oh no oh no can i help you oh okay there we go um the the thing that i don't understand is why you would like don't talk about that first one that shouldn't be released and that should never be seen publicly like that is

trash the second one looks like it could be pretty good like i could with with the art style and whatnot that's going on with this model thing i think people could accomplish things that look pretty good and with the architecture and textures and whatnot in the lower picture, I, yeah. Someone, someone, one of the comments, I actually completely agree with this. One of the comments says, wait a minute, that screenshot is from a modded copy of Skyrim. I don't think that's like true. Um, but it actually, it looks like it is. Um, but for a VR game, you know, it like it like it's whatever but yeah that first picture is just so incredibly bad that i can't believe it was ever allowed to be viewed publicly yeah very interesting okay uh why don't we jump into a couple of merch messages just so that people can uh instead of

guys remember don't send super chats or bits on Twitch or whatever else. I'm not being like, oh, reverse psychology. You should definitely send. No, do not send them. If you want to interact with the show, it's far better to pick something up on lttstore.com. Whenever we're live, you'll see a field in the checkout that'll prompt you to send a merch message that will go through to our producer, Colton, today. And he will either have it pop up on the screen down below or he will curate it so that we can address it later so if

you have any suggestions for topics you want us to talk about that is the best way to send them to us I know that it requires money but at least unlike a super chat you actually get something cool in the mail after spending your money even if we don't happen to address your topic. That's why we don't recommend the super chats is just the value is, the value of merch message is much higher. Yeah, because like you get like a hoodie or like some hair scrunchies

or whatever else it is that you happen to need. Sure. All right. This first one comes from Tommy and it's probably for Linus. Watched for almost 10 years and you've taught me the principles that shaped who I am today.

That's so sweet. What are some important lessons you teach your kids? Oh. Run with scissors. No, that's bad, Luke. Yeah. Who taught you that? It wasn't me. Man, I don't know. I guess there's a few things that i'm super hardline about like one of the things that i will say to my kids constantly is nothing worth doing is easy

whenever they complain that something takes a long time or is hard i'll basically just like it's like it's one of my stereotypical dad responses like yeah well if it was easy it wouldn't be worth doing so good thing it isn't because otherwise you're wasting your time like that that's sort of the the the rationale if it's easy anyone can do it so if it's hard then you know put your head down and get at it um embrace the suck yeah another big one is manners cost nothing i don't actually phrase it that way but i am an absolute nazi when it comes to please thank you excuse me i have witnessed this yeah i'm i'm like brutal when it comes to that stuff i will i will i will pretend my kids don't exist if i do not hear please uh you know even like men they'll be like hurt and crying and want me to pick them up and i'll be like oh my oh for real though that i haven't witnessed for real though and the reason for it is that

it costs nothing and means everything to other people so for me it's less about the actual words and it's more about taking that fraction of a second to be appreciative or be grateful or acknowledge that you've done something that you you shouldn't have or whatever it is. And it costs absolutely nothing and makes you a more pleasant human being to interact with. So so that that's a big one. It's just it's it's just part of the overall just be respectful to other people. So, um, so that, that's a big one. It's just, it's, it's just part of the overall, just be respectful to other people. Um, I don't know. I mean, there's just, there's not much other than just like, don't be a jackass, I guess. Um, the old wise words of Bill and Ted. Yeah. Yeah. Be excellent to each other. Right. Like it's, uh, Oh, I mean, one that I harp

on a lot, I guess, is your siblings for life, figure it out. Um, you know, we don't really, we don't really tolerate them speaking to each other disrespectfully. Um, like if they, oh, uh, whining's another one. So if they, if they whine about anything, you know, one of my big ones is like, what's the purpose of what you just said? Will it make this faster? No. Okay. Will it make it make this faster? No.

Okay. Will it make us all more comfortable? No. Okay. Well, then stop. And it's, I don't know. My kids are amazing because that kind of stuff actually works and it definitely wouldn't have worked on me.

I was awful. Like you couldn't go to a restaurant with me. I was like bouncing off the walls. That makes sense. Yeah. Thanks for that. No problem. I've been around Linus's kids.

They're very well behaved. They are. So kudos all right next one comes from mcgregor um and they say he says they say he hi linus i work for a t-mobile dealer and was wondering if you've ever thought about doing a video like secret shopper but for self-service providers instead of pc retailers we'd love to the problem is that there are so many facets to a service provider that are device specific i wanted to rage specific sorry i wanted to rage at tell us last show yeah yeah i mean there's like i still think they're the best option locally for internet because of shaw's whole fake fiber thing and stuff yep it was yeah i've had good experiences i've had bad experience with every telco i just when your company's that big too it's the the chance you get someone really good versus the chance you get someone really high is

there's like such a huge pool of people that that could land on. I don't know. Yeah, it's tough. All right. Next question comes from Top Sponge. Hey, Linus, do the writers have any kind of partial ownership of the channel they focus on? For example, does Jonathan have partial ownership in Mac address, Riley, TechLinked, et cetera? If not, is that something you'd ever consider?

That's a good question. Right now, all the IP is held by Linus Media Group Incorporated. I think that, oh, yeah, it's it's it's honestly a bigger debate than one that we can really have here on this show. bait than one that we can really have here on this show you know i think you're getting into kind of like a um uh uh oh man what's the what's the term i'm looking for basically it's like a capitalist versus more communist type of uh philosophy right so uh ownership of the means of production right so yeah because i don't think you can stop at the the writers because what if there's a writer that's ridiculous what if the writer is doesn't host uh why the why don't the

editors and shooters have anything in this yeah etc etc like what about logistics why don't they own some of the channel so um you know our our approach up until now has been that, you know, no, we pay well. I think that if you were to come in with some kind of asset, and that was part of the deal of bringing you into the company. Like, let's say, for example, we were to, okay, here, I'll use UFD since he actually did an April Fool's joke that we acquired him. So if we were to hire Brett, then as part of that deal, I might say, hey, Brett, we also want to acquire your channel. He might come back to me and say, well, I would be comfortable selling a portion of the channel, but I'd like to retain, let's say, a 25% 25 stake so in the event that you were to ever sell that asset i would get part of the payout right that might be part of the conversation that we

had about it but because that asset was created from the ground up using linus media group resources no there there is no ownership stake from the channel writer uh you know jonathan horst for example didn't even work here yet when we conceptualized starting up that channel. You know, he didn't work on, say, for example, the art assets. So where's Sarah's take, right? So no, everyone was working as an employee here at the company and the asset is owned by the company, not even me personally. And I know that that's a distinction that won't matter to a lot of you, but legally it does.

All right, I got another one. This one comes from Randall. What phone is your favorite of all phones you've used as your daily driver? I'm going to get Luke to go first because I think he hates all of them. And that's funny. Of all time?

Is that so like... Yeah, I think so so so in that moment in time uh i'm trying to remember the name of it is samsung galaxy s3 is that right way of saying that the one that had the removable back and battery yeah i think the s3 had a removable back yeah yeah yeah i loved that phone it felt indestructible i I remember multiple times dropping it and it would just explode every single time. The back would go flying in one direction. The battery would go flying in another direction. The phone itself would skid somewhere else. And then it would be fine every single time. There was one time where I was running at school and I jumped over a fence

and it was in my like sweater pocket. So I'm already decently tall. And then I jumped and then it went flying up out. So it got some like air and whacked into like concrete and blew up everywhere. And I put it back together going like, there's no way this is going to work. And it immediately turned back on and was like, I'm fine. And that thing was a tank um and it was also like pretty fast and felt pretty nice for its time phones used to be durable man i dropped my samsung jive off the back of a cantering horse i don't know why i was trying to use my phone on the back of a horse while i was at running speed

yeah but it hit the ground exploded yeah right yeah put it back together and uh and and it fired up i guess that would maybe be one of my one of my favorite phones the only thing i liked about it was it had this ringtone that i really liked i've never had a better ringtone than that one if i could find it i would totally put it on my current phone but for me i'd say i have to pick the note 9 it's the most complete phone ever in my opinion it has a non-picture based face unlock with their iris scanner that i don't believe was was it present in the note 7 i'm trying to remember the one that blew up i think i think it might have been but it went away after the Note 9. So it had an iris scanner, which came in handy for me a lot while all the definitely savvy shoppers with iPhones were pulling their masks off to use Face ID and putting them back on. I was able to use iris scan.

Also, it has a touch sensor, a fingerprint sensor that is not Samsung's new ultrasonic one that is slow and inaccurate and basically sucks. Had a headphone jack. The one thing that it didn't have is an IR emitter. Like other than that, it had basically everything. SD expansion. Notes were always very like every feature possible. Were.

It didn't have a removable battery, but it's also not a ton of work to swap the battery in that particular device wireless charging no reverse wireless charging but that's something that even on a device that i believe this one has it i don't know i've never checked i don't care i would never use that i don't have any like proof for this but i always kind of liked the removable battery because of the drop it and it explodes thing because i always had the like thought in my head that it might be similar to kind of like ceramics like some of the force goes in throwing that backplate and that battery and stuff like that instead of that's totally smashing something so i kind of liked

the idea that when i dropped my phone it would kind of blow up like that because it's like it's not like i'm not gonna find the backplate i still think it's a bug rather than a feature, but sure. I see where you're coming from. Yeah. I mean, I'm okay with a bug. Lego phones. Just, I mean,

they wouldn't do that unless it, it received a significant amount of force. So I don't know. I was always down with it. D boss. Yes, we do. All right.

This next one, I'm going to apologize to you, Linus. This one comes from Andrew. Hey everyone. I was so excited for the channel super phone on flow plane going to apologize to you, Linus. This one comes from Andrew. Hey, everyone. I was so excited for the channel Superphone on Flowplane. It was so hilarious. Linus, in two words, how much damage did Dennis cause to your house?

I think you could use one word. I'm going to check the wording here because it's funny that you would say Dennis caused the damage to my house and not Dennis and Colton. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Caused to my house. Don't and Colton Whoa, whoa, whoa! Don't involve me. Definitely does say just Dennis. Sorry, I get two words to describe the damage you guys did to the house.

Yeah. Thousands and dollars. It was pretty bad. How about that? So they That floor was abused. They wanged the banister, which is a pretty small fix.

A little bit of wood filler, some primer, sand, prime, paint, maybe sand again, paint again. Like you could probably, you could smooth that out. But the damage they did to the floor in the main bedroom would necessitate taking like a not insubstantial amount like it's it's basically not fixable by the time they sanded the entire floor down enough to take out the gash that they put in the middle of my brand new by the way this is literally brand new flooring

that was installed fresh as part of this renovation the gash they put in the floor they would have to take off so much of the top surface of it that you would actually have to pull off the baseboards move them down and repaint the walls like you would basically have to remodel the entire f***ing room to undo the damage that they did. It was really bad. It was a pretty deep gouge and we tried moving the bed at least three times. On the first time, I was like, this is not what this should sound like, Dennis. Let's go get Yvonne. And he's like, no, no, no. We got this.

Like, just horrifying. You were the adult in the room. You bear part of the responsibility. We have video evidence. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie like i don't i think the i don't know how many times have i like yelled at our staff like like ceo yelling what do you mean yell like straight up yell yell yeah like mad yell very few just like you get quiet passionately yeah he gets quiet when he's really mad i haven't heard not that often i've

i can definitely remember a few but not that often I have a favorite one I have one that I remember That was like really good I was furious My favorite one was at my parents house Oh what was that one Scrapyard Wars

Were you there I heard about this Was I off camera though Or was I hamming it up for camera What was it then i don't even remember um well technically okay technically it was filmed there is footage of it but like it wasn't we weren't like supposed like a camera would just happen to be rolling um but someone was trying to because so there was like judging happening in the family room and the judges were out in the garage and you were able to monitor the filming and stuff that was happening in the family room. But you needed people to start shooting in the garage.

And if you remember, like the whole reason why we were there was because the day was crazy because the power was out at the office. Like all these things were going weird. So it's a very stressful day. and then filming was like not happening correctly and you i yeah i don't want to recreate it but were we filming channel super fun too at the same time yes at the field yes with the bumper balls or whatever it was yeah that was a interesting day it was a stressful day i think i've only seen you yell twice maybe and i don't remember the exact situations the time that i remember because i was i was more furious than almost any other time i can remember running this company was when we lost a shoot due to utter carelessness just like completely we're like

lost the sd card that had the entire footage for our shoot on it. This was a long time ago, wasn't it? It was a long time ago. I have very, very vague memories of this. Yeah, that was back at the Langley house. Yeah. So there's not many times that I have yelled at people unironically. And I wasn't even yelling at a person in that case

because it wasn't an individual that was responsible for it. It was one of those, as a team, we were just being utterly careless with our data. And I find it's not the size of the transgression, it's the necessity of the transgression and losing that data was utterly unnecessary. It basically was a combination of it's a boiling again utter utter apathy and incompetence like there was just no other way that it could have

happened you can't lose footage like that yeah um and and i and the specific circumstances around it though sometimes bad stuff happens and i'm understanding of that. We had people, I don't think I even yelled when someone who's no longer here left an entire camera bag full of camera, media, everything, just sitting in front of a lobby in Vegas. Just got in the cab without it. Just left it there. Stuff happens. left it there like i like stuff happens but when it's when you had every opportunity in the world to to back up the data and you just didn't uh then i get then i start to get really frustrated um so i was not as mad as i was when we lost the data but because of how unnecessary the damage was to the floor, I didn't mince words.

I think I made it clear that I was extremely unhappy with the result. I was there when you found it. Yeah. You were there when I found it? Yeah. Oh, yeah, okay. He sent a message, and I read the message, and I immediately understood the severity of said message.

I didn't yell, though. don't i don't think yelling is healthy i don't think it's constructive there was a company that i used to work with um like back when i was a product manager and i was told that their their boardroom meetings would often devolve into people yelling and literally screaming at each other. And I was, I heard this. Just a fight for volume. And I just went, what possible reason could you have to be yelling at each other in a business meeting? Aren't you all on the same team?

I interviewed somebody a few weeks ago for one of the business job postings we have open. And when we're talking about, you know, why, what's wrong with your current position? They were saying like, hey, the work conditions here aren't good and kind of dug into that a little bit and basically it was like yeah the way that we deal with any issue large or small is just screaming at each other and i was like oh that doesn't seem very constructive nice so yeah okay uh why don't

we jump into another topic while colton digs through some of these incoming merch messages people are pretty into the new stuff. Oh, you know what? One last thing, just because we do need to queue up all the merch messages, for those of you who were waiting, holding out, holding out for a guarantee, a warranty on the backpack, it's here.

It's here. This is the Trust Me Bro Guarantee Limited Lifetime Warranty. We offer a limited lifetime warranty that the LTT backpack is free from manufacturing and material defects. The limited lifetime warranty is valid for the usual and customary life of the LTT backpack. The manner in which the LTT backpack is used directly impacts the usual and customary life of the product as materials will deteriorate and fade over time and moving parts such as zippers will also wear.

the usual and customary life of the product as materials will deteriorate and fade over time and moving parts such as zippers will also wear the limited lifetime warranty does not cover damages caused by misuse abuse or by accident or negligence damage caused by rips cuts or tears normal wear and tear including the breakdown of materials over time products purchased from unauthorized dealers cosmetic damage or unauthorized modification or alteration in order to make a warranty claim you must be the original purchaser of the ltd backpack from lttstore.com or provide a copy of the original proof of purchase. So we do actually cover secondary owners or tertiary owners. We don't care. The reason that we have that in there like that and that we require the original proof of purchase is so that we can validate that it's not a counterfeit backpack so there it is before you ask yes we had a look at what was standard in the in the sort of wearable on your

back textiles or over your shoulders textiles industry and this is pretty much right in there with everyone who has uh what what was what we were told was a really, really good warranty policy. With the one difference being that, from my point of view, the whole original purchaser thing has never made any sense. Either you did a good job of making it or you didn't. And it shouldn't really matter whose back it's on. So we don't care about that. We just do need to make sure that they're not counterfeit bags. So we have to validate that you have an original proof of purchase i've heard that's what it's kind of central around it is yeah yeah yeah that's the reason for it but um i mean yeah i i really think that it shouldn't be that hard if you're just contact support yeah we'll figure it out we should be able to figure it out

yeah there you go whoo uh should we talk about screwdriver or topics topics yeah let's talk about a topic let's do it let's see here we've got a few good ones we talked about metaverse already oh that's the main one I was excited about so garbage Airbnb do we want to talk about this

this isn't super interesting to me i'm just gonna be hold on we got one one more thing x war two says at linus at luke i've seen so many people who outside of never having read a warranty before um think that you developed the trust me bro shirt from your own impulse as far as the public can tell it was asked for by a fan on Twitter. Is that true? Yes, it was actually requested. I thought it was hilarious. And so I did it. Apple kernel exploit. Didn't hear about it. He doesn't approve. No, I don't. It's sold really well. People love it. It's a smash hit. Great then.

I don't know. I don't have to like, like everything that we do. We're a big company at this point. We sold a hundred of them for every person who has said it was childish or petty. I'm serious. It's like not even close.

Maybe there's a lot of childish, petty people out there. That's okay. Yeah. Okay. Should we talk about maybe John Deere? That's a more interesting topic. Yeah. Oh, no, we should jump into that after sponsor spots.

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have said is not necessarily related to the backpack oh i like it related to like what they're doing sure yeah it's kind of its own thing uh should we talk about john deere should we talk about potential branding for the lab let's talk about john deere i want to get into that this is really exciting because you know yes john deere i'm happy this community is getting behind this it's a good thing yeah um this weekend australian hacker sick codes showed off doom running on the touch screen of a john deere 4240 universal display not not the 4240 tractor the 4240 universal display uh to the crowds of defcon 30 in las vegas the monolithic tractor behemoth monolithic tractor behemoth okay known for their green and yellow color scheme and putting anti-repair software on their machines, have been releasing touchscreen farming equipment for over a decade. Sick Codes mentioned he was working on right-to-repair hacks for farming equipment during a presentation at last year's DEF CON about tractor application programming bugs and exploits, which is fantastic because what john deere is doing is complete bs uh farmers were

not happy with the uh farmers were not happy with the talk publicly revealing so many vulnerabilities because some brands like john deere don't allow diy firmware updates yeah but you need to do that so they fix it yeah because otherwise they won't fix it and someone somewhere knows about the vulnerability so get ready for that uh sick code says in quotes i heard from some farmers one guy emailed me saying uh where is it you're up all of our stuff so i figured i would put my money where my mouth is and actually prove to farmers that they can root the devices that's what an amazing response to that chad that's fantastic sigma sigma energy yeah um call himself chad codes um this all comes after john deer facing mounting pressures announced in march that it would make more of its repair software available

to equipment owners and finally allow them to update their tractor firmware themselves. This isn't going to happen until next year though. And honestly, I suspect it will happen with many caveats. I'm adding that little bit in myself. Vulnerabilities will remain on tractors not serviced directly by John Deere approved technicians and touchscreens like the one running Doom are designed to be remotely accessed to manage features like geo fencing and curfews discussion question is there a more anti-user company right now than john deere um i mean i would say that you could easily find other companies that are very anti-consumer. But what makes it particularly offensive when it comes to John Deere is that this is essential.

This is food. It's essential. It's food. And these machines are expensive. Yeah. And a lot of the expense is farmers taking these massive loans out so they can keep doing their jobs. Yeah. And they're relying on these machines for very long periods of time.

Like you buy one of these things and you use it for extreme amounts of time and you maintain it and you wrench on it and you work on it yourself. So by taking that away from them, that's like super messed up. Apple pulls a lot of extreme dickhead moves for sure. But realistically, you don't need an iPhone. So, you know, I would say in terms of the destructive nature of what John Deere is doing, John Deere is doing. They're much closer to the mega corporations that are buying up residential properties, for example, and pushing home ownership out of reach of an entire generation of people. That's a little bit different than what the question asks though, because it specifically says anti-user, not like anti-people. People are users. Users are people. I mean, what's the difference from my point of view? Do you use the-

I would say the user of a rental property is a user. Fair enough. Like, I just mean, like, it's just extremely... When we talk about how horrible what someone is doing is, you know, we can talk about, like, okay, the pop bottling companies that are taking all the water while Mexico is facing an enormous like life-threatening drought or what is it like nestle buying like absolutely insane amounts of water from canada for like a cent have you heard about that stuff just absolutely absurd um so so you know when when we yeah so it's not necessarily how egregious what they're doing is, but the fact that it affects our ability to eat, get shelter, that's where it becomes just morally reprehensible.

I've also just never understood, like, why are you messing with farmers? Like, I don't know. They seem like just this very, like, hardy, gritty type of people that just want to get stuff done. You're selling them a machine that they, for an extremely long period of time, have been buying these types of machines and maintaining them for huge amounts of time. There's massive customer loyalty. John Deere has got to be one of the highest customer loyalty brands ever, especially before all this started happening. Well, the reason you do it is because of this perception. You want to sell your service stuff, right?

Well, not just that, right? But there's this perception that in a capitalist society, unless you are growing, you are failing. And I mean, you'll like, I remember, especially when I was younger and I didn't really understand the dynamics of the stock market, right? I would see a company post that they earned $3.2 billion this quarter. And boy, that was way off what analysts were expecting. So their shares plummeted today. And I'm looking at it going, $3.4 billion seems like a lot of money to me.

I consider that a win um and so there's this pressure on a company like john deere to continue ramping up their revenues but you can only sell so many tractors so they start turning to increasingly evil schemes to extract more revenue from this finite number of customers. So it's a systemic problem, but that doesn't absolve John Deere of any of the responsibility that they have to take for participating in it. They could just say, nope, our tractors are user serviceable because that just matters a lot,

and we're going to build out like a servicing branch. We'll have a revenue stream from that, but we're not going to hold a gun to our users' heads and tell them they absolutely have to use it. They absolutely had that option and their shareholders might not have liked it. But at the end of the day, they don't have a ton of competition.

So they would have been fine, maybe just less fine. Because the reason that the share price going up matters so much is not actually much to do with the day to day functioning of the company. All it really affects is how much you can borrow, essentially. And if you're running a profitable business, there's an argument to be made that you don't really like Apple doesn't need to borrow money. They have a ton of cash. And if they do borrow money, it's only because they are doing so strategically. It's cheaper to borrow that money than to use their own money.

It's all a whole way above my pay grade game that we don't really play here. But if they're a profit... Oh, I forget where I was going with this. Right, yeah. So the share price doesn't actually affect the day-to-day operation of the company but what it does affect is executive bonuses right so when executives are paid in shares and the share goes up then they make a lot more money so it basically just comes down to executive greed yeah someone pointed out too that they said in the US, but this is true basically everywhere as far as my understanding goes. Farmers have a lot of government subsidies so that they can keep the prices of groceries at grocery stores down. Because if they didn't, the prices of groceries at grocery stores would be much higher. So in doing that, John Deere doing this hurts all of us. So you should care.

But yeah, that's it. Uh, J E realize ask, didn't Lance once say that if a publicly traded company doesn't make money, its shareholders can sue. Uh, it's more if the company misleads their shareholders and it turns out they weren't doing what they were doing or if that publicly traded company does not act in the interest of its shareholders john deer could easily make the argument that it is in the interest of the long-term um positivity positive sentiment around their brand that they not engage in these anti-consumer anti-right to repair

practices and it'd be very unlikely even if they could have made an extra 10 million dollars or that they not engage in these anti-consumer, anti-right to repair practices. And it'd be very unlikely, even if they could have made an extra $10 million or $100 million this quarter, they could have made a strong argument for that. It'd be very difficult to sue them over not screwing their users. Yeah. Essential branding for the lab?

Yeah, we can talk about that. It's pretty much settled at this point i think that given the we as much as we would have loved to use ltt labs um we had some internal concerns about the close association with ltt we want we want the lab to i mean obviously it's going to be associated we're going to talk about it all the time it's going to be associated. We're going to talk about it all the time. We're going to use their numbers. We're going to build products and services there that will delight us as much as our users, but we didn't want them to just be tied at the hip. You know, LTT and LTT Labs, they're just one in the same because we're still going to do stuff on LTT that has nothing to do with the lab. And we're going to do stuff with labs that has nothing to do with LTT. We also, as we move away

from branding things with my name, it's a matter of time before we change the meaning, just retcon the meaning of Linus Tech Tips, change it to like something else, Tech Tips or something, and just change the branding to LTT, maybe rebrand entirely. I don't know. We'll figure that out later. But we felt it didn't really make much sense to go with lttlabs.com. Another concern that we had was that lttlab.com. We do own lttlabs.com, so it's very likely we will redirect that. So anytime we talk about the ltt labs or whatever um it'll it'll end up in the right place but lttlab.com which would be a very easy typo

is a chinese laboratory equipment supplier so i think we would have and because their page is so slow outside the great firewall i think we could easily end up with a significant amount of abandonment from people thinking it's LTT lab and just the page loading really slowly. Before that picture loads, it's a black background with orange text. Yeah. That doesn't help at all. It really looks like it's still not loaded.

Wow. So, so it won't be, it won't be LTT Lab or LTT Labs, which meant that we had to try to come up with a name that was going to communicate what the spirit of the lab was, while also being easy to type and not conflicting with any of our bitter rivals. So we kicked around some ideas, but what we ultimately settled on is it's going to be gamerscommandcenter.com. I thought it was onlylabs.

What did we settle on? I thought it was only labs.com because it's only hold on i gotta check the doc i gotta find out what we actually it's only laboratory stuff uh what domain did we actually acquire um labs two cents did we did we buy that one hold on hold on i'm trying to bring up the doc here uh did we actually even acquire the domain yet am i supposed to be talking about this colton did we get the domain yet live laugh labs no shut up that's not that's not real i know we had i was posted info we had linus lab.com i don't think we had tech tech tech tech lab we got a a domain but i don't know which one um i thought we were supposed to grab all of these just in case what about level one labs i see i actually i really like that name i think i voted for my memory is that we got only labs.com

but i voted for level one labs yeah lab media No, I don't think that's right. Okay. Labby McLab face. I don't even know what this list is. Am I even looking at the right list? Not sure. We're just messing with you guys. The number of people that are upset about,

uh, gamers command center, gamers hatchery um so the the current front runner is actually lab32.com yeah and uh the the reason for it is that it's a super short url it's easy to remember it's really easy and fast to type the branding is very easy uh yeah the branding looks really good sarah's actually done some some draft branding around it already that looks flipping cool so the the merch which i'm i will obviously go to supporting the work that we're doing at the lab is um gonna look really cool which is awesome

uh 32 people are asking why 32 and the reason is that it's it was actually inspired by a conversation around the like executive table uh where colton was saying something about like system 32 was it you colton who mentioned like system 32? Yeah. Correct. Yeah. And, uh, so the significance of the number 32 is just that it's a number that comes up often in computing.

Right. Um, so it's- A bunch of people are mentioning lab69.com. That did come up. Yeah, it came up, but obviously that's like stupid. So we're not going to do that. Lab 64, we also considered, but Lab 32 just, I don't know, rolls off the tongue.

I think Lab 32 is better in my opinion. I like it. I think it's pretty sick. And then when we checked to make sure that there was nothing conflicting with it, right? No one else is is using this name or anything like that the only real reference that we could find to it was actually one of the areas in chrono trigger there's uh there's a there's a lab 32 in chrono trigger and this

happens to be one of my favorite all-time games and i yeah i just kind of i kind of kind of fell in love with it don't delete lab 32 yeah see it's like it's pretty good i think it's good i think it's solid yeah yeah everything else was just a joke that we brainstormed right before we started the show to troll you guys yeah we did like a bunch of different youtubers made it sound like their things yeah did stuff like that. Do you guys want some more merch messages? Yeah. Hit me.

Hit me. All right. This one comes from Ian. Hey, Linus. Looking forward to get my LTT backpack and the warranty I won't need to use. I'm curious if you've considered making a camera bag variant of the backpack or maybe a camera insert for the backpack. Yeah, we've looked at making a camera insert. As for a camera bag variant, I'd say that that is not impossible, but it's pretty far off. The thing about that is that as not a camera daily carrier, I just have less to contribute, I guess. I also feel that it's a more niche market compared to people who carry a laptop.

So it was a lower priority for us in the first place. There's no real clear flow to the things I'm saying. I'm just brain diarying out of my mouth, everything that we thought about and talked about when we decided on a laptop bag rather than a camera bag. I think that based on community feedback, you're more likely to see like a downsized version of the existing laptop bag before you'd see a camera bag from us. But that is nowhere near even beginning development right now. So don't hold your breath for it. Oh, hey, we just fired up a poll for our floatplane chat chat do you guys like the name lab 32 we want to know what you guys think i think it even just like looks cool like typing it out i was like yeah that looks pretty good i don't know all right i got another really important question

this this one comes from thomas question for luke and linus if you could install any game on a John Deere tractor, what would it be? Miner VGA. Farming simulator. Nice. I like it. Fantastic. Wow. 90% of the community agrees. Lab 32.

Is pretty good for a name, in my opinion. That's basically it then. Yeah. That's pretty solid. Yeah. Especially when you just first present something. Yeah. I mean, we did have some people internally point out that it doesn't really describe what you do you know like it was compared

to something like pc part picker which has a very clear identity right in the in the url of the site that one's a good example yeah i i often find like there are certain websites that have names that are very objective like that that to me sound like bot sites oh auto written articles just trying to get your clicks off of google to serve ads interesting that that was my immediate reaction to at least one of the names that was even suggested in there uh i don't remember exactly what it was and it was a legit website i knew that because i remember exactly what it was. And it was a legit website. I knew that because I've gone to it before. But if it just came up as a Google search, I had never seen it before, I would probably ignore it. Because it sounds like someone grabbed

a URL that they're like, that'll be really effective. And I'm going to fill it full of auto-scraping bot posts that just try to get as many clicks as possible. So I don't know. I think a unique name is completely fine because you don't need the brand recognition for the URL for people that have never heard of you before. You can spread that brand recognition yourself and it's fine, in my opinion. All right.

Next merch message comes from Radioactive Twinkie. Hey, Linus and Luke, with the massive size utility and popularity of steam do either of you feel that there are any other compelling alternatives or do you think steam is basically in a league of its own at this point epic yep that's it just epic origin will never actually fully compete uh you you whatever they even call it now ubisoft connect connect will never actually compete um gog is fantastic but it's kind of in a its own little niche and i think it does really well where it is and i don't think it's ever really going to truly compete at the scale that steam

is at uh but yeah epic absolutely i mean hold on a second i mean you could make an argument for xbox in the longer term. I seriously doubt it. They're certainly building in. If they ever actually did successfully acquire Discord, for example, and they started to integrate more community in Xbox. I mean, Game Pass is already a way to just ensure you always have hundreds of millions of users. The problem is the Xbox app on desktop is horrible. And the Windows Store is horrible.

Yes. And it would need to be removed and rebuilt to fix a lot of the problems that they have. Yes. And I don't see that happening. Yes. And they've been making all these

commitments to PC gaming while having, while trying to force their store, which is nowhere near ready to be forced. It feels like the Horizon Worlds thing from Facebook, where it's like, you really honestly thought it was a good idea to let people even use this, let alone try to push people to use it. It's really bad.

The worst thing about Horizon World, whatever, Horizon Worlds 3 or 4, whatever the newest one is. I don't remember. But the worst thing about it is the fact that Microsoft deals with all the multiplayer stuff, and you have to do it through the store. It makes it so that multiplayer is basically useless, and you should just play the game as a single player game. And that sucks. That is super rough. The most brutal things about playing Halo is the fact that Microsoft runs the multiplayer and the friend list things are all super weird and all this other kind of stuff. And it just sucks. And I don't see those things being solved. the new leadership there have gotten rid of some of their old rules about not competing with each other and always building their own things and stuff like that. I think some of those ideas are

still hard set at Microsoft, and they're going to only use their own things. They're going to only do this other type of stuff, and they are not going to invest enough in it to do a good enough job. So it will always be bad. That is my opinion. Hopefully I'm wrong, but that's it. All right. I got another one that kind of plays into what you guys are working on right now. This one comes from Zachary. Hey, Linus and Luke, how about doing the all the domains I own segment you had the idea for a few months back? It'd be cool to hear the stories behind all the random domains you have bought. Wow yeah i'd love to i actually don't think i have the login for our you don't have all the domain registrar uh multiple ones now too oh well think about like i don't actually want to necessarily go into it but yeah um we would definitely have to prepare for that ahead of time we could do it though

because i don't think that particular uh 2fa is even on like our our accessible 2fa device i think it's on like an air gapped 2fa device device. You don't, you do not f*** around with your domain registrar account. So yeah, that's something we'd have to prep ahead of the show. I think Yvonne might be the only one who has access to everything. Nope. No. Oh, all right then. There you go. I don't think anyone does. Oh, is that a problem? Okay. Well, we'll have to have a conversation about that later not really but okay hopefully it's all good there's more than one as far as my understanding goes although i don't know about one of them there's more than one person that has access to each okay okay i can i i own boring math lessons.com that one's pretty good adequate video service

we own adequate video service.com yeah blip blip bloop.com i That one's pretty good. Adequate Video Service. We own adequatevideoservice.com. Yeah. Blipblipbloop.com. I think we might have gotten rid of a while back, but that was one of the proposed names for floatplane.

Are you serious? Or something like that. Yeah. Look, there were not a lot of dot coms. That's one of the genuine problems. Like, we were talking

about logos earlier, but, like, dot coms, it's an issue like you can't just come up with things anymore because people park them and then want to sell them to you for tens of thousands of dollars if not hundreds some of the stuff i might not have anymore but i definitely owned um gist of it dot com and the idea was that it was like instant news updates with like camera phone it was was like basically like YouTube stories, essentially, or like shorts. How the F?

Makeup for Bros was a dot com that I owned at one point. I don't think I have it anymore because I was like, I'm never going to do anything with this. I don't think I have it anymore because I was like, I'm never going to do anything with this. But these were just, you know, the Makeup for Bros one was just identifying that makeup for men was becoming much more of a thing. This is like 10 years ago. And, you know, kind of figuring out what verticals other than tech we could start to establish a presence in. But yeah, we just never, never, never got on it all right this one comes from john linus do you think framework might implement a refurbished program or owner marketplace would you advocate for it it'd be cool to offer my used hardware

to other framework owners um sorry i tuned out for a second one sec all right no worries you want me to read it again nope okay um oh wait no that's a different one i thought i thought i had found it already implement a refurb program or owner marketplace i don't think it's necessary it's called ebay like i just you're reinventing a wheel that already rolls pretty well on its own i'd say that is i'd say that's not necessary a pro move though by the way buying a ten dollar gift card to send a merch message if there isn't something that you're necessarily you know eyeing this week but there might be something coming soon and you want to send a merch message that is a way to do it and it doesn't cost anything for shipping because we don't actually ship them.

They're digital. All right, this one comes from Karthik. We need a Project Farm style screwdriver comparison vid. At the very least, tell me if it's a worthy upgrade over the Klein Tools driver. I think you should just wait for Project Farm to cover it because, I mean, look, I'm not going to put words in their mouth, you know, if they don't want to cover it, then fine mean, look, I'm not going to put words in their mouth.

If they don't want to cover it, then fine. You don't have to, right? But I think that it would, I think that that piece of content would perform well and we'd be more than happy to send one over. I think Project Farm buys the tools though. I don't think they accept samples. So we'd be more than happy

to make one available for purchase. But yeah, there's no need for us to make a Project Farm video when Project Farm can make a Project Farm video. That's my take on that. Project Farm is a YouTube channel, for those of you who haven't heard of Project Farm. Are we talking about Screwdriver soon? Should we talk about it now?

Oh, yeah we we should right we're gonna do a pop-up yeah um the date is set ish um it'll be august 27th it's going to be at the lab from 10 a.m to 2 p.m so that's august 27th 10 a.m to 2 p.m pacific time we are going to have around 2 500 screwdrivers so we are giving you guys a little bit more notice this time um i'm not going to lie to you again i will be there uh but the point of being there i'm not going to be wandering around outside the point of coming is to buy a screwdriver so don't just come and hang around there isn't enough parking for that are we still planning on doing the stream?

Yeah. Yeah, so that's probably what I'll be focusing on. Yeah, so we're going to have a stream where people are going to be able to try the screwdriver. These are all actually final. Everything in here is final hardware. If you want to check them out, that's it. That's the, well, you can just take one if you want. Greedy.

You have, I, but... These are final hardware, though, so these will be there at the pop-up shop. They will be available for purchase. We'll have 2,500 of them. We are going to have competing drivers there in person. We're going to have some scrap parts from Free Geek if you want to, like, you know, screw a motherboard into a case or whatever.

We're going to have some wood and screws you know if you just want to screw things in unscrew things yeah try out the the ratchet make sure it doesn't slip make sure it's to your satisfaction um yeah we're we're oh yeah we'll have comparison i already say we'll have comparison drivers i'm not not sure. So Vera, Klein, Snap-on, we're going to have comparison drivers from all the major tool manufacturers for ratcheting drivers. And I'm, yeah, that's just because I'm extremely confident. And then like Luke mentioned,

we're going to have a live stream. So people are going to be able to compare the drivers, talk about it to the live stream. I think we're going to stream on short circuit. I'm not sure if we've actually settled on where exactly the stream is going to go correct on short circuit all i know it's on floatplane i believe it will be silver version only at the pop-up don't quote me on that though uh some people are asking if you can get backpacks or potentially other things i don't think we'll have any backpacks will we have any backpacks

i doubt it because of the shipment waves also it is the silver version that'll be at the pop-up i know that uh i need to check something okay he's checking someone said i have a father's day gift now that is correct i'm never giving this back i'm kidding. I don't know what this is. Hello? You're live on the show.

You're on speaker on the WAN show. Oh, what's up, dog? We just wanted to know if people are going to be able to buy backpacks at the screwdriver pop-up. Yeah, remember we said we were going to leave the ones that were air-shipped in off to the side, and then there's going to be some there. It's probably like 100-ish.

Okay, so we do have a handful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We said the ones that we shipped in the air for the backpack pop-up um we didn't sell it that one aside for the screwdriver got it all right thank you okay yeah some other stuff too we'll have other stuff oh cool probably we're probably post something maybe next week that just shows like what we'll have and what the pricing will be and all that stuff just so people know ahead of time oh okay okay all right thank you goodbye

well there you have it guys from the man himself stuff there will be stoves things will be had things will be there it's finally happening man feels good yeah i had previously i had tried one of the like i don't know the failed QC ones yeah and like the actually turning it felt good but switching the ratchet didn't feel very good and then that one was one of the final ones and that felt very crisp yep

that took a lot of work I bet nice so yeah August 27th be there or be square or like or don't be there. Like we don't, we don't want like 5,000 people to show up. The last thing we want is to, to turn people away. Also, if you, for whatever reason, guys, we're, we're going to do LTX next year. So don't like get on a plane for this. Um, but if for whatever reason you insist on doing that, um, there's

nothing I can do to stop you, but I will say don't book your flight now because we're pretty sure we're going to do it on that day, but it's not 100% sure. We got the first thousand ratchets today and we've gone through 250 of them, I think, now to make sure that it's actually, they're good and they are, but the other ratchets, who knows?

They might get stuck in customs and we might delay it so that we're not, we don't only have a thousand so that we actually have the full 2,500 or whatever, right? Like things can still happen, but that's what we are planning on. And it is pretty solid at this point

that it'll be on August 27th. Just not a guarantee. All right. next merch message I'm gonna ban the word alright next this one comes from anonymous so next merch message alright

so alright basically just the um um okay I'll stop anonymous says keep up the good work particularly love all the new house content is there plans for more home server smart home home automation content in the future i feel like the lab could test z-wave zigbee wi-fi stuff there will be more home automation stuff in the future because i am almost certainly going to replace my light switches at this point not because Jasko is like a consumer unfriendly company but because I bought a six

year old platform and I am not that pleased with the features and performance so while we did have that little miscommunication with Inovelli where they kind of went ahead and called their switch Project Linus and slapped my logo on it without consulting me. Overall, I do like their jam. I think they seem like pretty cool folks and they are already making progress on their motion sensor integrated switch using millimeter wave technology. I'm pretty excited about it. integrated switch using millimeter wave technology. I'm pretty excited about it. So what I would like is to work with them on that and swap out my Jasko switches for those, but nothing is set in stone at this time. Other than that, I definitely need to figure out the audio setup. We've got all the speakers installed, but nothing actually powering them yet. I have what else is going on? Oh,

someone else here, David S mentioned the SofaBaton X1. I have not opened the box yet. I have, what else is going on? Oh, someone else here, David S mentioned the SofaBaton X1. I have not opened the box yet. I definitely do need to do that. I want to check it out as a replacement for the Logitech Harmony. So there's lots and lots and lots more stuff. Lots more stuff to talk about.

Alright. I just said alright again. I'm going to stop. Alright, alright, alright. Linus, with all the upgrades all right i just said all right again i'm gonna start all right all right all right linus with all the upgrades you made to your old house brackets tech and otherwise what are you planning on leaving behind for the new owners other than wiring in the walls nothing right like you wouldn't leave you leave a server rack i don't think so man eggs i'm a benefit to someone i'm a thousand years away from thinking about moving out of that house though. So it's,

it's pretty tough. They're talking about your old one. Oh, the old one. I'm pretty sure. Oh, I thought we were talking about the new one. Sorry.

I, I spaced for a second. I think, I think they're talking about, uh, your, your old one. Oh,

well, there wasn't really much there. Like there was like networking in the walls and like speaker, in-ceiling speakers. You're not gonna take the AC out. Yeah, like anything that's fixed to the house, you wouldn't really remove. So everything I did is still there.

Yeah, perfect. Next one comes from Nathan. Hey Linus, did your time as a product manager affect the way that you look at your own store and or what are some of your biggest takeaways from that time? Absolutely. I mean, everything I learned about e-tail, I learned at NCIX, both what to do and what not to do. That was my first real job actually out of school. And I had some really

good mentors there. I also had some less stellar mentorship. Like I said, I learned what to do and what not to do. But there's there's a ton of there's a ton of principles that we follow that are absolutely based on on what I learned there. I mean, one of the big ones is take care of your customers, because angry customers, man, the number the number of people that I feel like thought that we would be willing to tarnish our reputation over like 250 bucks over a replacement backpack was just kind of baffling to me. I don't want to sound out of touch, but in the context of the scale of this operation, I don't think that was the point. I can't believe we're getting back on this topic. We're not. Okay. But in the context of the scale of this operation, in the context of the scale of this operation,

in the context of the damage that it could do to our brand, $250 is nothing. Right. That's not why people are mad, though. I think people are mad for a variety of reasons, some valid and some less so. Okay. So we can leave it at that.

But, yeah, I saw time and time again, NCIX just shoot themselves in the foot over very, very small sums of money. They would, in a situation where it just totally doesn't make sense and is just detrimental to the customer, they would enforce policies that just didn you know, didn't matter, right? Like you'd have someone bring in a motherboard that they clearly opened, right? Like $150 motherboard, let's say, and they opened it and, you know, it's totally still working. It's like brand new.

They just opened it and it was an ATX motherboard and they had an MATX case, right? So they bring it back because it doesn't work for them. And NCIX,ix you know rep be like sorry 15 restocking fee and it's like hey um particularly at that time motherboard packaging didn't even seal yeah it's a brand new board you're i know that you're going to just resell it as new anyway so we're talking about if there was a seal and there often wasn't it was just the tape on the bag on the inside oh that ncx opened them up in the first place anyway to put their own label on

them so they would break the seals on the products in the first place so we're talking about 22 dollars on a product that you're going to resell at full price anyway and a totally innocent mistake the guy's not trying to rip you off. I watched mistakes like that made. That's going to drive a customer to another store for sure. Yeah, over what? $22? Because the biggest thing

is the principle and the annoyance of that being charged at all when you're trying to come back and trying to continue being a customer. Yeah, it was just frustrating. It's just common sense to me. Don do that it's not worth it you know and then as expected that person would post on the forum and then and then we'd have to give them the full refund and a gift card to make them shut up it's like wow good job you job. You just played yourself.

Oh my goodness. All right, next one comes from Harrison. Hey, Linus and Luke, when hiring new employees, do you look for people with a lot of experience or would you consider hiring employees who may not have as much experience but want to learn a lot while at LTT or whatever company? That's going to get a big fat, it depends. LTT or whatever company.

That's going to get a big fat, it depends. There's some roles where we can afford to kind of train on job and there's other roles where we can't. There's some roles where we're doing something new or something different and we need someone to come in and be an experienced leader so that we can hire other people

that can train under them. Yeah, like Gary, for example, was someone that we hired. We're going to need someone with experience for that role. Yeah. And it's been great because I don't have to micromanage him. Like he'll just go and do stuff and then I'll have a meeting with them like once every week or a couple of weeks. And it's like, yeah, what are you working on? It's like, oh yeah, that's all stuff that makes sense. That's what I would have told you to do. If I sat and fought really hard and came up with a stuff that makes sense that's what i would have told you to do if i sat and fought really hard and came up with a really great plan that's what i would have told you to do so see you later you know yeah love having people like that but sometimes you

need that sometimes you need other people that you can kind of mold and yeah or shape or you're hiring for a role that doesn't really exist. Like back when we hired Nick Light, how many experienced YouTuber sales representatives were there? Well, for real. Who did you even poach from? Because you had started it, but even the ad formats that we had were not even really a thing at that point in time on YouTube. That's how old school the channel is.

So yeah, that totally makes sense. Yeah there is there's a really big range um i really like portfolios i don't necessarily like if you can prove to me that you can do the job it depends on the role again because like gary's role would need experience no matter what but like from a development standpoint if you can prove to me that you can make fantastic things and your like code's open source so i can see it and i can see the way that you develop i can see the way that you document i can see all these different types of things what do i care about the education or experience um you can do a fantastic job so it sounds good yeah hiring for a lot of the sales roles for the linus media group side has been interesting because it's not just like we're selling things right like you it's it's completely different right if somebody's coming from the used car sales market and they apply

here to work as an account lead and they want to sell sponsorships it's not the same yeah thing yeah so we'll have to mold it a fair bit yep a little ink asks do stores still have restocking fees i return products every now and then and never had to pay something like that i'm from the netherlands uh this is a great example of rolling down a hill um many it brands have restocking fees so in the event that ncix especially back then were to return that product to their supplier, they're basically just passing the savings onto you, but in reverse. Someone asked if we do code interviews. I have found that a lot of the developers that apply due to the way that we send out the fact that we have a job coming in are often fans of the channel. I would also wager to say that people that follow

like software development, software engineering, blah, blah, blah, those types of roles are not always the most like socially experienced. So there are often very high nerves in interviews when people are interviewing with us. So I don't see a huge amount of value in testing people live in that type of situation. What we tend to do is we try to give them a take home that we hope will take a reasonable amount of time. And we try to frame it in a way that like if you were just posting on Stack Overflow, we would know. And it's not going to be like super generic answers so that we can actually see how people would do things and we can see how they would comment and stuff like that.

That's our approach. Oh, we should jump into another news topic. The California DMV accuses Tesla of making misleading claims about autopilot. What? This is hilarious. How many times have I called this? Like how many times, honestly?

Try to number it. I'm actually surprised. It'd be ridiculous. I actually am surprised that it took this long. I'm shocked it took this long. More than anything, it's just the amount of time that it took. Yeah, that's stunning.

For a second, I thought you were like making up the headline because of how many times that you said it. Tesla is under fire from the California DMV for untrue or misleading claims about autopilot and full self-driving. The main things the DMV has a problem with are the terms and wording that Tesla uses saying autopilot and full self-driving are terms that do not represent the capabilities of the system. No! No! There's no way that happened. The use of the words full self-driving capabilities on their website, particularly the words, the system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver's seat. Yeah, yeah, that's

pretty misrepresentative. According to the DMV, the way Tesla advertises their systems... Okay, this is sort of redundant, but that's fine. Although Tesla does have disclaimers on their website, the DMV says that these only contradict the advertising instead of curing the violation. Yeah, that makes sense. DMV seeks to requirela to provide more accurate terms and descriptions and more and better consumer education of the product capabilities and

limitations is what the dmv said in a statement to market watch yeah good yeah this should have happened many many years ago yeah back when tesla's autopilot and full self-driving whatever was even less capable than it is now the number of i mean i don't have to tell you guys the number of times we've seen people asleep at the wheel and their teslas is utterly unacceptable and it and it yes okay it's supposed to like get you to not do that and it communicates that you shouldn't do that and stuff like that but if you tell someone that something can do if you tell someone that this machine has a certain capability they're going to bypass that type of stuff at any possible opportunity remember when people were shoving oranges

in their steering steering wheels because it was like detecting it as a hand or whatever like people are going to do people are going to get away get around sorry those types of limitations um alex's uh contribution here he wrote up this topic is on the one hand tesla has the best self-driving existence yep but in practice it feels like handing your keys over to a teenager that's texting and driving in my opinion they shouldn't call it self-driving until it actually is right now it's just really good driving assistance um i find tesla in particular kind of terrifying given that they push out beta self-driving features to be tested on public roads and there's no hecking way i'm trusting a car to drive me until it has been proven reliable and much better than the average driver for years and that's fair enough which again is all like yeah as as far as my

understanding goes they they have the best self-driving and that's that's great and that's fair enough which again is all like yeah as as far as my understanding goes they they have the best self-driving and that's that's great and that's fantastic and they should they should be proud and happy about that um but yeah it shouldn't it shouldn't be uh falsely advertised that's all which is true about like everything so yeah not just not just related to this yeah floatplane chat's talking about when Red Bull got sued for it not actually giving you wings. Yeah. I mean, if that went through a little, there's no way Tesla should be calling their cars full self-driving or autopilot. Yeah. Cause sometimes with stuff like the Red Bull thing, uh, cause I think there was a Skittles one too back then at around the same time. Skittles said something in their advertisement, but it wasn't like as interesting as gives you wings.

Oh, I don't remember. But I think there was, yeah, I think there was a few of them back then. But like in those types of situations, it's like, well, yeah, obviously not. But in this situation, it's not an obviously not, which makes it way worse, in my opinion. Funny Hat says,

any pilot will tell you autopilot will get you killed really quickly in an airplane with thousands of feet of space around you clear. Okay, so maybe autopilot is more inspired by science fiction films yeah then it's inspired by actual airplane autopilot yeah correct taste the color of the rainbow if i remember correctly yeah i i don't know i don't remember that all right some more merch messages um also okay um all right this one comes from brit hey linus and luke i'm a young entrepreneur and i currently run a game and vps hosting provider any tips for

me as a small business anything you'd suggest we should do for the consumers p.s happy birthday tomorrow linus it's mine too whoa. Did you know that's on people's timesheets? What? Why? It's in the exact same font and the exact same setup as a stat holiday. Why? I don't know. In the timesheet?

They made me start doing timesheets this year. Which you should have been doing the whole time. You should do it then. I put in way more than 40 hours every single week what am i doing right now you think i'm gonna balance this next week that's not happening so you should do it too anyways um so this is the first time i ran into it i thought there was a stat coming up because i just saw the red text i was like about to announce a stat in our meeting and then i was like when is lax's birthday i don't know why that's in there i think it's very funny

um what are we talking about oh yeah vps company apparently it was taste the rainbow though yes oh okay yeah yeah yeah yeah i i don't know uh be nice to your customers yeah uh under promise over deliver i mean oh man i don't know it's it's word of mouth is really powerful so if you under promise and over deliver and are nice to your customers those customers will very likely stay around and they will very likely bring you other ones other than that i don't think i can say anything too specific all right this next one comes from Kenneth Alright it's banned I keep saying it I can't help myself I'm just gonna say the question Hi Linus I know you drive the

Valve Index for VR at home does it ever Feel outdated or lacking in features to you If Valve were to release an Index 2 What features would you like to see added Wireless I hate the cord The cord sucks 100 yeah um other than that their lenses just are not as good as oculus's it's not even close and uh man the fact that

they are still using lcd displays in high-end vr headsets drives me berserk. Give me OLED. Give me OLED. I need that fast pixel switching time. Yeah, big time. Next question. Billy B. Yo, what's up, Linus, Luke, and Colton? Have anything to share about your health? What do you eat?

Like, do you eat healthy? Have a great one. Love everything you guys do. How did these? Okay, I know I said be a little more liberal. Okay, so you know what? No, no, good merch message. Good merch message.

All right. I wouldn't say I eat super healthy, but I do try to like eat vegetables and stuff. I also try not to overeat. I mean, that's a big one. I often end up not eating too much just because the nature of what I do during the day means that a lot of the time I don't take time for food. So I wouldn't recommend it, but Hey, it's, there you go.

I was skipping lunches for a really long time for the same reason. And now I'm getting, uh, like, uh, meal prep stuff. So I just have to heat it up because that's all the time I really have. Um, I, this is not a recommendation. What I'm currently doing is overnight oats for breakfast every day with oat milk and blueberries and strawberries. And then lunch is chicken breast, rice, beans, and then either an apple and almonds or carrots and hummus. And then dinner is chicken breast rice beans and either an apple and almonds or carrots and hummus and that's it you're lying nope okay i've lost 25 pounds in the last i think it's like six months nice that's a lot of money yeah not gonna go into what i eat next question merch

message nicholas i just recently finished my second computer that i built into a record player what's the coolest case or non-case you've built in brackets besides the play button oh well that was obviously what i was gonna say uh okay well i'll let luke go first then i'm i'm kind of conflicted between either the fallout bomb yeah or i want you to guess it i'll be fire one yeah yeah obviously i'm gonna get come on yeah yeah those two for sure uh ultimately out of those two i think i'd pick yeah the scrapyard wars for the fire computer um but the follow bomb is pretty sweet too people are saying that's not enough varied food and stuff i said it's not a recommendation don't for the fire computer. But the follow bomb is pretty sweet too.

People are saying that's not enough varied food and stuff. I said, it's not a recommendation. Don't do what I'm doing. It's fine. And I vary it sometimes. It's okay. I'll be all right. Leave me alone.

Nighttime Astronaut says, timesheets are the enemy of motivated employees in a workplace that doesn't actively support a work-life balance. What are you talking about? Timesheets are how you accurately pay people. Yeah, I don't really get it. How about time sheets are how you accurately pay people yeah i don't really get it how on earth are you supposed to accurately pay people if you don't have time sheets we have like flex time and stuff like it's fine look i'm not trying to be a hater or whatever like hey thanks for the subscription on float

plane like for real love you but um you do need time sheets it's just administrative i mean nobody likes it but yeah salary yeah that's the yeah well he's salaried he's a manager got him yeah but then i still have to fill it him too this is great even though i do more than 40 hours every week wow i could drag on i could drag the wanshow out for as long as I want. And it would cost me no extra. We're all salaried. It's true. Please, please no. Isn't that a fun trick?

Did you answer the question, Lance? I don't remember. Coolest case. Play button. No, I'm taking it. He's going with the play button. Fine. Next merch message.

Abraham. Hey guys, loving the new merch. What's your take on the new Samsung Fold 4? Especially since Linus has used the Fold 3 as a daily driver. Short circuit coming soon. Get subscribed. How much does it cost?

Is it two grand? 1,800 US dollars. Sounds good. I don't care. Yep. That's basically it, isn't it? Yeah. All right.

Next merch message. I can't All right. Next merch message. I can't say merch. Next merch message comes from Anonymous. Okay. I'm just going to do that. I always trip over the names. Will labs look at repairability or jailbreaking to extend the life of devices? Not necessarily at the start, but at least down the line.

Jailbreaking, very unlikely. I think that's beyond the scope of how they're going to they're going to evaluate products as they're intended to be used but i could absolutely see them you uh you archived that one already i was going to look back at the wording uh repairability yeah but absolutely repairability would be a major consideration for us when evaluating a product with that said we're not looking to replace iFixit. They already do a great job of providing repairability scores for key new devices. It's just something that we would consider as we go through and evaluate it as it's intended to be used, not as it's intended to be

rebuilt and used. All right, this one comes from Amanda. Go to Eve. Gentlemen, does the lab plan to test mics or interfaces that streamers slash content creators commonly use? Also, does the total phase tester also test XLR and TRS cables? As a musician, I've encountered some snake oil there. Mics and interfaces will come. They're a relatively low priority category because they're a relatively low volume category compared to something like CPUs or GPUs.

I don't believe it tests XLR or TRS cables, but that is something that we will be building out the capability to test in the future because we are planning to develop our own line of cables and we won't settle for anything other than the best. Beauty. This is ridiculous. What do you mean flex time is just to keep you from actually taking time off people use their flex time all the time here if that was the point of it it is not working

hold on oh wait i think they're talking about a different system oh ours is paid so it's basically vacation time and you yeah you like take it take it as if it is vacation time. I think they're interpreting being able to have flexible hours. Oh, oh, no, no, no. And being able to like shift your hours around and stuff. Oh, no, flex time is just a policy that we introduced back when the COVID lockdowns were starting to become more of a thing, where on top of the legally mandated vacation time, we added two weeks of paid time that is not, strictly speaking, vacation. Is it two weeks?

It's two weeks. I thought it was one week. I don't know. Is it a week? I don't know. Colton, help. Two weeks. Okay, cool.

Yeah, two weeks. Is that right? Yeah, it's two weeks. I feel like I'm saying it wrong. Okay, yeah. Yeah, so everyone has two weeks of additional paid time off on top of their vacation time and we call it flex time because this is after your first year I believe.

So you don't have to book it ahead of time. I'm not so sure. We'll check. I'm often not the best at being on top of those types of things though. Maybe you guys are right. People use it all the time. It sounds like a lot of time on top of vacation time yeah it is it's like really inconvenient to schedule around yeah yeah but but like to be clear we care about people having

work-life balance oh that's cool um it's just from a from a scheduling standpoint it does have downsides sitting there having only used a week yeah i mean, I haven't used that much, but yeah. I've used some of it though. Like I, yeah, I totally have. I've had stuff happen. Like it's, it's really nice to, cause there's always the kind of dreaded feeling. Like if something really negative in your life happens and you're like, okay, I need to take some time off to deal with this. It's like, oh, I have to dip into my vacation time to deal with this thing that is just

like horrible and doesn't feel like a vacation. It's kind of nice to be like, no, my vacation time is fine. It will stay there. I will use flex time. I think it's cool. I'm totally down. This merch message comes from door Linus. You always mentioned not consuming long form content.

Is it just time constraint or you don't really connect to the format? It's it's mostly that I just get anxiety when i look at a long run time on something and i'm just like i should probably be doing something else i'll go do something else so that's one of the main reasons i'll like never start a new tv show because it's like a you know 15 25 hour commitment in a lot of cases, especially if it's an established show that's been running for a long time or already concluded. And it's just a huge time commitment. No, no, it's not that I don't connect to the format.

It's just that A, time and B, attention span. Like I would never sit and watch an entire TED Talk. I just, there's no way I could, unless it was very relevant to my interests like it was a stuff I must know yeah I could think of a couple but like it's I've sat through long presentations I'm fully capable of it but it better be relevant yeah uh sure yeah some of these are not very good colton but that's okay you did great um okay so hey uh cm says thanks for getting me through some tough times to luke hey no problemo. And that, would you start doing more content about cool projects involving computer vision

now that you have a CV dev in the lab? I think you're going to see us using our dev as opposed to just making content about computer vision. But in the long term, who knows? Jackson, I've recently started a video production business after freelancing for a while and it has... Whoa, okay, people are sending a bunch of them now. And it has been tough navigating the are sending a bunch of them now,

and it has been tough navigating the business part. Did you have help with the business part? Sure did. Yvonne helped me a lot. I have an uncle who gave me some pretty good advice at the beginning. Yes, I did get help, but I also spent, you know, the previous six years or whatever it was in a fast-paced business environment at NCIX where I learned a lot. Scrap metal. Love the show. I was curious if you guys would be open to making a video about a budget server slash networking rack setup. Get the Lack Rack.

It's all about the Lack Rack. The IKEA Lack. Oh, yeah, I've heard of this. Yeah, you can just convert it to the the standard spacing for rack mount equipment super cheap yeah that's what like as far as i can tell it's what basically everyone does yeah step on step on i believe firmly in the benefits of video games my sister does not what kind of system or games could i use to convince her to let me buy my niece a console next year when she is old enough?

Interesting. So step number one, respect the wishes of the parents. Yeah. Do not blindside your sister. Sister? Yeah. Do not blindside your sister with the gift. It sounds like you already understand that. And what you'd like to do is convince your sister um i would bring up uh games

that the family can play together i would bring up the that parental controls exist you can limit the amount of time that can be spent because there might be a concern where like you can enforce the amount of time they can spend while they're home but if they leave are they just going to spend all day on it i'd say the i'd say the um the the creative and learning benefits of something like a minecraft uh vastly outweigh the drawbacks of the screen time boogeyman um but you might not convince her yeah i'd be specific about the games that i would suggest though and don't just get whatever because yeah like minecraft is very cool for that there's a specific about the games that i would suggest though and don't just get whatever because yeah like minecraft is very cool for that there's a lot of other games that are in that type of

style where like it's a lot of uh brain power and thought process which is good and creativity and whatnot for luke floatplane is missing some quality of life features compared to something like youtube yeah floatplane also has a development budget literally like multiple orders of For Luke, Floatplane is missing some quality of life features compared to something like YouTube. Yeah, Floatplane also has a development budget literally like multiple orders of magnitude smaller than YouTube. But yes, my question is, what is your motivation to add these features as it will increase usage and raise operating costs instead of having supporters still use YouTube? Floatplane is less about the features and more about supporting us and the content. Content is king. Floatplane has has really really good exclusives right now uh behind the scenes um like meet the team uh cutting room floor stuff there's there's a lot of really good stuff on floatplane right now

more than ever before you notice we're pushing it really hard in the videos lately that's not because you know luke's team finally got their butts in gear and made a decent platform. They had already done that, the hard work. It's that we finally got around to building out a team that is dedicated to uploading creative, fun content over there. Really good stuff up. To make it worthwhile.

I would also mention about features. This year in particular has been really tough for Flowplane due to some staffing issues and I think when the term staffing issues gets used these days it's describing something that is not what I'm describing. Yeah just under hiring in the first place. Well I hear it used for that a lot. Well that's Flowplane definitely had that. Okay yes. The team was always smaller than the, our, what do you call it? That wasn't the issue this year though. Yeah, I've been hiring like the entire year,

but the Flowplane team hasn't grown at all. They haven't? Nope, not yet. Oh, that's right. They will be, but yeah, not quite yet. But yeah, we had some other staffing issues more related to people being unable to work for personal reasons. But they were going to come back and they have come back and we're very happy that they've come back.

And those staffing issues are solved slash still being solved because hiring takes a long time. And there are more quality of life features coming down the pipeline. We heard a lot of people talking about the, wanting to be able to see where they had left off in a video thing. So that's coming. There's lots of other stuff coming. Yeah. Mike D says,

thanks for the tip on the gift card, Linus. Quick question. Why do you always joke about firing Colton? He seems like a hardworking and valuable employee. Colton, you know that I can tell when you send your own merge messages, right? I told you if you do that again it's the end i'll see you later uh what how did it get oh yeah we started joking about firing okay so first of all i used to fire luke all the time i don't remember how that started maybe because maybe because I hadn't

even hired you because you worked at NCIX like I don't know it would have been something like that like just not sure just a silly thing I know we did it all the time on WAN show it was mostly a WAN show specific yeah yeah and then firing Luke all the time turned into joking about firing Colton when he copyright striked our own channel for the first time and i did it a second time like a week later yeah yeah so that's where the fire colton memes started and then they kind of morphed into just like internally just like colton right like that guy um just in general and then um he never actually gets fired because as you observed he's a hard-working and valuable employee so the memes live on and so does his

employment for the time being if that makes sense i love it um okay i love that you curated that message though add to shy says good day from all australia okay that was that was my best attempt i'm gonna stop that now excited to get my hands on the new backpack pricey but worth it for all the free content i've consumed over the years hey shout out shy i have a question for linus do ltTT employees get a discount in LTT merch or are they given a set value they can spend per year? I think the internal policy is merch is free, but use your common sense within reason. Yeah, I know the remotes, it's a little bit not as easy for them.

And there's been some people asking like if we should try to figure something out moving forward i've talked to some other people internally about this but like figuring out a certain amount per year or like something yeah it's gotten to the point where it's kind of unmanageable because a lot of people if we were to give a backpack to everyone that's like literally five figures of money it It's like a person. Yeah. It's like hiring a person for that.

Yeah. So we do have to figure out, yeah, I guess we've got to figure out a better way to handle it. Oh yeah, I'm not necessarily sure what the best one is. On the other hand, people on camera

have to be wearing the merch. Yep. And you can't force them to buy it unless you are a fast food chain. It might be difficult. Force you to buy your uniform uniform you wanted to with me back in the day it uh it might have to be different per role did i i wanted you to buy what did i want you to buy you wanted me to stop getting merch for free and you wanted me to buy it and i was like um i need it to be on camera what was the context you don't need everything. And I was like, okay,

but I'm going to wear the same shirts on camera all the time. And you were like, ugh. This was a long time ago. I don't even remember this. Like a really long time ago. Yeah, it's clearly a stupid idea. So, okay. I think this was like 2014 or something.

I'm glad we got that started. Well, I had no money back then. I think that's why. Oh, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I mean, you had no money, so. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. oh all right yeah yeah yeah okay i mean you had no money so yeah yeah um but but yeah i people on camera are gonna need more stuff so maybe they just have a higher like amount or something i don't know yeah i guess the last thing i want to do is create like internal politics around trying to get on camera so you can get more free though so i don't know i don't know the right answer that's fair yeah uh steve steph stephen asked any plan on building dos gaming pcs in the future i i think it'd be cool to do that anthony's been bugging me to do something like that for ages i just keep not getting around to it it's a matter of time eventually but it's not happening anytime soon lev says when if ever are we going to get rgb ltt merch hey it it's a matter of time eventually but it's not happening anytime soon lev says when if ever are we going to get rgb ltt merch hey okay it's not like you know lit or anything but yeah we we'd love okay we'd love to do some kind of rgb lighting thing or something like that but it is

absolutely not on the roadmap for now jose asks any plans to do a linux like challenge but with apple like the full ensemble imac macbook watch i have tried to do this multiple times i did the imac ages ago and i think i was actually daily driving an iphone at the time anyway was i i don't know i can't quite remember but i've tried multiple times since then i'm like yeah all right i'm gonna put on i'm gonna use and then i just immediately lose interest just like i don't know i just it just doesn't it doesn't do anything for me and it's it just negatively impacts my quality of life for what i yeah yeah i just can't uh nathaniel how long did it take for you to get expert plus and beat saber. Any tips for someone stuck in hard?

Don't do this, do this. This is much faster than this. It might be very difficult depending on the like sports and stuff that you've played, but you just gotta figure it out. It took me quite a while because I'm not used to that type of movement, but it was like significantly better

once I started being able to pretty much like do it at all. Kevin asks, I've seen ads for selling old youtube videos lately have you seen or heard about this you can sell an old youtube video for a one-time payment and the buyer gets all future revenue from it would you ever consider this seems weird to me we were actually approached by a company called spotter about not selling because it wouldn't really work that way. It belongs to the channel that it's uploaded to, but about licensing for a certain period of time, our back catalog, where they give you an upfront payment, much like what you're describing. And then over time, they take the recurring revenue from that evergreen content

that will continue to get views. They've put a bunch of work into ensuring that their investors or their company is beating what they would get just putting the cash into a GIC, while also making sure that the creator is getting an amount of money that could be potentially business changing for them. For us, you know, we kind of we thank them for the offer. We actually went through the process a couple of times when we were in situations where we thought we might need the money. And both times we kind of went, well, unless we are going to do something with this cash that makes more than the internal rate of return calculation that they've done for themselves, it doesn't make sense. And every time we didn't have a plan for the cash that was going to generate a better return for us.

So we figured, well, we're better off just holding the asset and getting the additional payout, even if it takes longer. We've never run out of cash since the first six months of the company starting up. So, um, yeah, if something had come up where we like really, really needed a million dollars, like now, I think that something like, uh, like a spotter deal or something like that could make sense, but I, we're not, uh, we're not planning something like that could make sense but i we're not uh we're not planning anything like that right now especially not after the initial success we've seen with backpack sales that shopify check is going to be wild i want to take a selfie with it that's like more money than i've ever seen in one place in my life by a long shot to be clear guys i just want to this is not me just youtuber flexing uh we we also have a lot of expenses like like getting the backpacks made like do well yeah yeah okay

where's that i i just i just meant like do the math we have over 80 people working here now even at minimum wage like our our annual salaries are like in the millions right so we actually do need millions of dollars just to operate um lawrence says love the enterprise hardware software content any recommendations for a good for you case other than rosewill or istar usa honestly i haven't looked at it in too long i I do know that I always forget what they're called, but they make that case called the Cerberus Cerberus case. Oh man, what are they called?

Sligar. Sligar has some cool rack mount gaming stuff, but I have no idea what you're trying to do with it. Finally, last one. Travis. You gotta say it. You gotta say it properly. Yeah, you gotta say it just like I say it. Travis writes, so Last one. Travis. You got to say it. You got to say it properly. Yeah, you got to say it just like I say it. Yeah.

Travis writes, so, all right. How are you liking your Epson projector? I have the previous generation. I love it. I love it. I'm trying to get another one, but they are sold out for months everywhere. I told Epson, look, I don't even want a sample. I want to buy it.

Can I buy it? They're like, sorry, bruh. No. I told Epson, look, I don't even want a sample. I want to buy it. Can I buy it? They're like, sorry, bruh. No. Come on! Come on! I thought I'm an influencer. Can I not influence you right now? No. Fine then. So I'm waiting, because

I want a second one so that we can do a video on setting up a 3D projection theater in 2022 you can still do it but it's kind of wild so i so i want to do it that's cool yeah that's the that's the plan for that and that's it for the wan show that's all we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel. Bye! What? You know we're still live, right?

Oh. I got him.