The WAN Show - Linux Gamers Are Cheaters - WAN Show November 8, 2024

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

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Shop at Sephora today. Limitations apply. must be a beauty insider See terms at Sephora.com for complete details What's up y'all welcome to the WAN show it's been a great week no, it's been a great week Nope, and it's gonna be a great WAN show. Oh, I wasn't even talking about like world events a great WAN show. Oh, I wasn't even talking about like world events. I realize what that probably sounded like now. I wasn't trying, I'm not even, we're not even going down that road.

Wow, it took us, it took us exactly three seconds. I didn't intend to! Three seconds. No! To alienate some half of America. That wasn't even what I was talking about! And we don't even know which one it is. Way to go, Luke! I was talking about completely not American things, okay?

Nothing to do with America. We've got a lot of great topics for you guys today. I forget what the headline one was, so Luke might get it for a change. AMD is rocketing upward. They have... Wow. Okay, we'll get into the details later. change AMD is a rocketing upward they have Wow okay but that is absolutely incredible EA has ditched support for Linux in Apex legends citing the fact that Linux gamers are far more likely to cheat Than some fighting words. Yikes.

What else we got this week? A modder has made DIY upgradeable Mac storage. Okay, this is so cool. This is legitimately cool. So those crazy prices we were talking about might not be so bad? Actually, there's a little more to that as well. We'll get to it. Intriguing.

The last one I will bring up is that MS Paint might be like a cool neat thing to do on your computer again. Really? Maybe. They're bringing AI features to MS Paint and notepad. The show is brought to you today by Thingiverse, oh cool, Seasonic, Notion notion and of course our chair partner secret lab our laptop partner LG and our rap partner D brand okay Small aside have you seen my car yet not in person. I've seen pictures though My goodness, okay anyway, that's all I say about me when you get pulled over EA is dropping Linux support for apex legends EA is dropping Linux support for Apex Legends, despite the fact that the game was in the top 50 in terms of popularity on the Steam Deck over the past year.

According to EA developers, it is much harder to catch Linux-based cheaters and the quote is, the openness of the Linux operating systems make it an attractive, the openness of the Linux operating systems make it an attractive, the openness of the Linux operating systems, whatever, make it an attractive one for cheaters and cheat developers. They claim that the impact of Linux cheaters was having an outsized impact on other players' experience, and thus EA has decided it is not worth supporting the platform.

I suspect, if I'm reading between the lines accurately, I suspect this might also mean that the player base playing on Linux is probably not super high either. But it's very interesting to me that they specifically call out the outsized impact that that small player base is having. Because the player base can't be that small if you're a top 50 game. I mean, it might not register for a company like EA and one of their halo titles like apex legends Which okay is not a halo title that would be halo, but you get what I mean Do it oh

He wasn't paying attention what he wasn't paying enough attention. Oh forget it Dan I was responding to a horrific merch message. Oh. Oh. Well, cool. I guess we'll get to that later. Okay. Anyway, the point is, we've got a few discussion questions here,

and I'm legitimately interested to hear, not just Luke's perspective, but I'd like to hear your guys' perspectives as well. Like, if there's anyone who works in game development, particularly in anti-cheat development, feel free to drop that into the Floatplane chat. I'm gonna kind of keep an eye out for it. But, you know, the first question is, wouldn't more cheat makers be attracted to Windows? Seeing as the paid cheat industry is kind of an enormous industry these days, and Windows is

obviously going to be the platform of choice for most gamers. That's where your biggest player base is. What if it's a premium thing though? Like the, you know, you have a less likeliness of getting caught if you use this one. We are the premium specialized tool for the discerning cheater. I very much suspect that it is, but do you really think that it is more worth it? Arch during the day, cheating at Apex Legends at night? Do you really think that it's more worth it to kind of jump through whatever hoops you might have to jump through to become a Linux gamer? You know, figure out installing Linux for yourself, which to be clear, I'm not talking about you guys right now.

You guys know how to, you know, use Rufus and make a USB drive and install an operating system on your computer. And install Steam on it. Exactly, exactly. I mean, surely that wouldn't cause the system to immediately brick. Did you ever see that video? I did nothing wrong. Except where it tells you that it's gonna brick. No, no, different video.

There's a short circuit where I unbox the Linux laptop I Install steam on it. I did I did nothing. I just installed steam on it, and then it just wouldn't boot up again No, I don't think I've seen that. I have a talent. I have a talent anyway Steam you steam in Linux in the same room. Yeah, the point is I'm not talking about I'm not talking about you guys you can do that I'm talking about your average like slack-jawed gamer man like I was at PAX one year and I was at the Nvidia booth and they were showing off this was when they were showing off game stream right so their Wi-Fi game streaming to the to this up

had they launched the shield console yet I don't even think so I think it was on the little shield portable that little handheld Android box. And there's this guy in a beanbag chair, and I walk up to him and I'm like, Hey, like how's the latency on it? And he's he's like, I kid you not. Huh? I dunno. That seems like a cool game. I'm just like

Dude, you're there in the Nvidia booth. You're trying game stream. It's not even running on that machine. That's like the whole point it so So I guess my point is like so you're you're your average cheater It's so wonderful because that his latency was too high a little high a little high okay? We were in the Pacific Northwest all right. You know you probably Okay, we got a lot of he was enjoying oceans. We got a lot of oceans. Okay a lot of reefs, okay? This isn't fair you can't be this on it when you're sick This isn't okay my goodness anyway, so so so You said it's not... this isn't okay. You gotta... Um...

My goodness. Anyway, so... so... so... If I was to try to kind of profile the person who needs to cheat at games... See, when I was a kid, the people who cheated at games were like, kids. Right? Because they didn't... they weren't good. Or they didn't have... they didn't have time to use the computer. Like, I feel like that's kind of flipped around, where adults are doing things on their phones,

and the kids just kind of seem to have free reign at their computers and stuff. The adults needed to use the computer. Like you were fighting over, and in particular the internet connection. The phone line needed to stay open unless you're- I have an important call tonight. Exactly, you can just like be on the internet all the time.

So you could cheat and then you could like, you could download a Diablo trainer and then you could kind of like have your godly play to the whale. I'm so sick now. Yeah, you know, go and fight Diablo or whatever, right? So the profile that I might have in my mind for like a cheater as just like, you know,

an average gamer slash a kid who's not good enough or whatever, that's probably just completely wrong, right? Because you've got people who are obviously savvy enough to play a game like Tarkov, but obviously feel the need to cheat at it. So you've got these, I guess I've talked myself completely out of my argument now,

because the amount of work that people are seem to be willing to put into not doing the work. There. That's what I'm trying to get at here. When you and I were growing up, when we were youngins, cheaters were, it was generally associated with having some amount of knowledge of like software development. Even if you got the cheat from someone else, it seemed like there was some amount of knowledge of like software development even if you got the cheat from someone else it was it seemed like there was some amount of that's true arcane knowledge and it was a pain in the butt to figure out and the resources to research it and the amount of trouble you get in from your parents for going on sites that could get the computer a virus and now it's like advertised on YouTube and Twitter and stuff. Like it's a totally different realm.

So I think the like, hey, this isn't too bad. A lot of people actually do this like all the time is the current vibe. And when that's the case, you might be more willing to actually try the stuff that would be hard. You know what I mean? Installing Linux, running them that way, etc. Okay, Decimus Roman says... Nothing.

Decimus Roman says, I suspect that part of this is that Linux doesn't allow video game companies to play the same games they do on Windows with memory inspection, but even then the game was a mess on Linux and they weren't really making progress in fixing it. Do you think that Linux cheaters are just a scapegoat? I've wondered about that a little bit. Because I do know, yeah, the install base for Linux for most games tends to be really low. I know it's not super common for developers

to wanna take Linux out of their supported operating systems. Mac is the worst, but Linux is pretty bad for that as well. I've heard that this is much less of a problem now that Steam Deck is a thing, because a higher percentage of your player base does wanna be in Linux. But I don't know. So okay, hold on. Gauntlet Wizard says it does allow memory inspection, in fact more. Is it just not supported by their anti-cheat?

That's a good question. I'm not sure. And again again that would come back down to just scapegoating not wanting to put in the resources whoa Is that scapegoating not wanting to put in the resources No, I mean I just mean saying because it would still be scapegoating to say it's because of people cheating on the platform Well, it is for yeah So for if if the reason is actually just that they they could deal with it, but they would just have to put in the work To figure out you know better memory inspection And yeah, I don't know is memory inspection really the biggest impediment though, or would it be more to do with? I was gonna say more to do with

not being allowed to just run at kernel level willy-nilly but they probably like could tons of different I learned this from playing Tarkov there's tons of different types of cheats because you could cheat and this would help you in apex legends a lot actually is knowing where everyone on the map is right yeah you can do that without changing what's in the memory. You do that just by reading the memory. I see. And there's nothing you can do to prevent something from just reading.

I don't see how you'd do that. If you don't make a change. I don't know enough about it. I think it shows up in device manager though, doesn't it? On Windows, I don't like it. Gauntlet Wizard says nobody would let them have root to access it because Linux gamers aren't stupid, but it's like, okay, but hold on a second. If the game just requires it. If the game just requires it. You either don't play or you do it. Yeah. Like what do you, what is your, I guess that's my question is, what is your proposal for

for anti-cheat then if we don't access this stuff, if we don't lock it down? And I'm not saying this is the way to allow companies to install root kits or kernel level anti-cheat or whatever else. I'm not saying that's the way, I'm just saying, okay, if that isn't the way, what's the other way? Like give me another way yeah Windows kernel expert can protect

okay yeah so this is more just like people are mainly saying look this pretty much seems to come down to resource management yeah I don't know, not a cheat developer, I can't say. Hardware level encryption of processes memory. I mean we're talking about like a complete architectural shift then at least for you know like the open you know standards desktop PC. I mean you could you could do that for a console or whatever else you're not going to do that on Windows, at least not for the time being.

Apparently auto hotkey gives you aimbot on Apex. I've seen a couple people talk about that. This is wild dude. I saw someone in the chat, in Floatplane chat, was saying I have a friend who's good at, what is it? I don't remember what it is battlefield cod something. I don't know some game and basically he uses cheats because He'll get put into lobbies that are too sweaty, and he just wants to go around and kill people. That's like Look I can't tell you I can't tell you who to be friends with and who to not be friends with, but your friend's an asshole, so. Yeah.

Like, that- it's mathematical. I genuinely get suspicious of what other- like, if they're okay with that, what other things are they okay with, you know? And that's a bit of a slippery slope, because you're expecting every person to be perfect, but it's like, it's concerning. It would raise a red flag. No, there's an easy counterargument. The easy counterargument is, it's a game.

Does it even really matter that much? And then there's an easy counter argument to that. If someone is willing to lie or cheat or step on someone else, when the stakes are so low, when it doesn't even matter, when it hardly impacts them at all, if it was on the line, if it was a big deal, would they stand up for what's right?

Heck no, obviously yeah Like they were willing to compromise their principles for literally zero personal gain nothing I Don't know just food for thought just food for thought yeah Yeah, funny hat says if you wouldn't trust a man with a dollar would you trust him with a million dollars? People I there's someone I stopped playing badminton with Yeah, Funnyhat says, if you wouldn't trust a man with a dollar, would you trust him with a million dollars? People, there's someone I stopped playing badminton with because I was sitting behind their court at a tournament and it was like 22-20, so it was like introduce where you have to win by two points, third set

and the other team hit a clear over their head and it obviously landed out, no it obviously landed in and they called it out and the way that it works in recreational tournaments is that the line call is the team that is on that side you you call your own line calls? Because you're closer you you're the only one who can realistically tell there's no line judges because we don't have You know six people to line up down all edges of the court and you like check everything because it's just rack right yeah and What you're supposed to do is if you're not sure you replay the point Okay, if there's a dispute you're supposed to replay the point so the other person was like uh

that was obviously in and This this person who I had been playing with on a fairly regular basis was like and like got all aggressive about it and Declared themselves the winner of the game and the other people being you know non confrontational and just being like dude this it's a game like what is what are we even what are you doing here they Backed down because they were like this is this is ridiculous, and I was like yeah, that's I I would never I Will never play with that person again

I will never set foot on a court with that person because you are just You're a dishonest person You have shown your character more clearly than any words you could ever say yeah Especially in such a like not that it makes it better in a competitive Especially in such a like not that it makes it better in a competitive Game but like it's just it's it it feels almost worse that it was like a casual recreational match Yeah, you know like I just I mean in so well, and you know what no no I think that's a fair point because in a professional league part of the gamesmanship

like literally I had this I had this like NHL card game when I was a kid and One of and so what would happen is like you could like you would it was like a deck game And you would well I mean any card games a deck game Whatever just calm down the point and it wasn't a deck building game is a card game so so you would you would draw your cards and so you could you could play shot and the other person would have to have a save Okay, or or they could play a hook and then I could play

The the ref to call the hook oh, okay, and then you could play behind the ref's back, and then the hook wouldn't get called, and then my shot wouldn't go in. So there were multiple ways to defend against a goal. And so I guess what I'm trying to say is, I think at a professional level, there is a certain amount of gamesmanship that is Pushing the boundaries, but then that's also why you would have a ref or a line judge at that level of competition exactly

Yeah, so I guess what I'm trying to say is yes at a professional level No, I I think I don't I don't really respect it. No. I don't like dirty players. Yeah. But I also do acknowledge that that is the expectation and that if everyone's doing it, now it's part of the game. Yeah. And we can, we can- Doesn't mean it's good. The dives in soccer are disgusting and ridiculous.

Extremely detrimental to the credibility of the sport. As an outsider who actually enjoys watching football. There, I'll even use the proper name for the sport out of respect. Women's football, soccer, whatever, is fun and cool to watch. They don't dive. Yep, so as someone who thinks the game is super cool

and I'm used to hockey, you know, so I'm not one of those One of those Americans who's like I watch basketball if there's no scoring for like 18 seconds. I'm bored like that's happening Why is it? Why is anybody scoring? That's so big like I? Like I don't even mind it. I don't even mind. I come from hockey. I'll watch a zero I'll watch a nil nil game all the time no problem I mean I prefer scoring and I think we all do but but but I like the tension, you know I like the tension but it yeah, really it really takes me out of it, dude

It takes me out of it in a big way. Oh, yeah when it just feels like instead of watching a Sports competition. I'm watching a freaking, like, high school level acting competition. Yeah, it's pathetic. I- I was trying to get into it at one point in time. Yeah, if I wanted to watch that- And I would just immediately turn it off the second someone goes. I'd watch YouTuber apology video duels. That'd actually be kind of a funny, uh, a funny concept for a video.

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All right, then I guess then I guess I guess I'd probably do pretty okay Alright, then I guess then I guess I guess I'd probably do pretty okay What now How big is this cream? Oh, no, what what is this? What is this? What is this? Yeah Is this seriously the last video they uploaded to like What is this left it off on a banger dude 2.4 million views I didn't mean to click on the team Oh LMG clips or oh man What are you looking at? Now that's content baby!

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and the real reason is we don't feel like doing the work, then why are so many other anti-cheat games not bothering? Is it also just because they don't feel like putting in the work? Compatibility and stuff, I wouldn't be too surprised. I'd be interested to hear from actual anti-cheat developers because honestly I don't know, but I'm thinking about how much work it is to even try to keep up with the cheating community

as anti-cheat developers. Because you're kind of like, I'm making assumptions here, not an HIT developer, you're kind of, you have to sort of be reactive. Yeah, oh I would think so. That sucks. I mean you're gonna try to get out ahead of it, but like. I'm sure you have some developers that are pushing

to try to get ahead, some developers that are pushing to try to be reactive. But we've talked about this before, where certain departments are revenue generating departments and other departments are revenue generating departments and other departments are considered more like boat anchor departments. And if I'm a game developer, I'm looking at my anti-cheat not as a revenue generation department but as a burden, as something that I need to do.

Well, usually anti-cheat is a separate company. Sorry, but you're still going, sorry, sorry, sorry. You're still gonna have internal people that are responsible for the implementation. You're still gonna have internal people that are working to make sure that the game actually functions with the third party. And so this is something that by and large, and there's still gonna be a limit to how much you're gonna wanna pay your third party anti-cheat. So in terms of the investment you're making in anti cheat, it's not a you're gonna pay

50% more to have Linux compatible to counter to counter how much cheat developers can charge for their services, right? So what we're looking at is a situation where the investment in cheating software is is a Revenue generating department an exciting department whereas the investment in anti-cheat is like a burdensome We have to do this so we can sell more Skin yeah exactly And so you're always gonna. I just feel like you're always gonna be on the back foot that way And and there's a really there's a really unpleasant comment in the flow plane Chad someone said because they're lazy and that is just

So unfair to developers I I have had the pleasure of meeting of meeting some game developers And I haven't met a single one that I would characterize as just lazy. In fact, they've felt to me, and this is based on limited interactions, none of them are my best friends or anything. Did you meet the developers? Sorry, yeah.

Like this is a person who their job is do development? Yeah. Well, they're not picking their tasks. Well, I know, that's where I'm getting to, Luke. Got it. He ruined the thing. I'm working on a whole setup here. I do specialize at that.

Yeah, I mean, but what I'm trying to say is, like, they've seemed, in every case, passionate. And a lot of the time, if they're not getting resources, if they're not getting time, they're not getting tasked, thank you Luke, on these things that will improve the game for their community, well it comes down to the bean counters, that comes from somewhere. To defend potentially the bean counters. Sometimes there are business realities that there's nothing that they can do about. If we spend all this time and all this money on this thing that like four people care about,

it will Cost us an opportunity over here will come at to the detriment of these other things Can I no longer hire a person to help this other overworked person we have on the team? Can we not give good raises this year? Do we have to lay people off because we're out of money? These are questions that bean counters are trying to do that monolith and it's rough out there right now that monolith tour was so cool Like the number of of the of the game. I wouldn't say necessarily all of them were devs, but dads and artists The number of the people that worked on the game that were like so Multi-hatted and like they literally did their own combat mocap just like people who worked in the studio who were like yeah I like stuff I like train

karate on my own time I'm going to the mocap room to like fight with people and like dude this is so sick that is so cool that was that was a really cool thing that we did Speaking of things being rough out there, dude. Did you see Warner Brothers said they lost a hundred million dollars? Hold on loss hundred million. I'm working on it. They lost. Yeah, here we go multiverses and quidditch champions Together I was a cool and full playing chat, it's rough when you do bad decisions. I don't disagree. I will also say, and I'm not saying that you don't,

I'm just, I think sometimes a lot of the feedback that you hear from that is people that don't make that level of decision. It's also really easy to look at those level of decisions in hindsight and be like, yeah, that was obviously stupid I've done stuff that was obviously stupid in hindsight. I don't know. Can you think of anything? Yeah

We can move on Yeah, we're good. I think I broke him. I Think there's there's so many things running through the brain right now. It's actually reached a runaway state And you can't bring it back under control Okay, we're even talking about we're talking about the heart incident oh my Which was not that word okay! Which was not that word. Okay? It was not that word.

That's not a word that I believe exists in my vocabulary in my life. To acquill or whatever, trust me, I get it. And there's a lot of scenarios where I feel like even if we're not thinking in a hindsight sense, I'm looking at some of the things some of these companies are doing,

I'm like, oh my, that's so incredibly dumb. And I mean, it happens. I'm not defending all of it. I'm just saying sometimes, like, I don't know, it's not automatically that this person was just like being a malicious jerk. Sometimes they're just trying to deal with the cards that they have,

and they don't have a great option, and they do the one they think is best, and of them were good and that one sucks and people are mad It's well, that channel that you were talking about that like that takes apart the bags and stuff. Oh Yeah, do you watch that because you just like the taste of leather so much or what? I just I just could have noticing that out of the two of us for some reason you're the corporate bootlicker No, I'm just I'm no I'm giving him a hard time. I'm giving him, all Luke's trying to say is that everyone's human.

And I mean that at a variety of levels too, right? We could be talking about a small indie game with two people or one person. And I mean that all the way up. I suspect the more the company size grows, the more it is malicious and bad and dumb decisions. I think the more it is detached too. Exactly. You have people that don't care about the thing that they're making, they just want more money.

And you have people who don't know who the people working on it are. Absolutely. They don't see them, they don't interact with them every day, like these are absolutely things. I'm just saying, like, I don't know. Anyway, WB Games lost $100 million on multiverses and Quidditch Champions. Can I just say for a moment that I would be happy, Warner Brothers, I would be happy to work as a consultant for you, okay? And if you'd like, for the small fee of 99 million dollars oh okay I would be happy to

tell you that don't whether you should make a game or not yeah yeah yeah and Quidditch champions let me let me get let me let me it's a pretty obvious no yeah speaking of speaking of uh uh bad decisions that we don't need hindsight to have known whether or not, I don't know anything about this game. Not even sort of surprised it didn't do well. Why would you buy a Quidditch game? Quidditch literally is a sport. What are the worst thought of sports? That was invented by someone who hates sports. I didn't know that. I'm not surprised. Thinks they're stupid and went out of their way to make a, like a...

Just terribly designed game. What's the word? It's not parody, it's satire. It's like, it's, or maybe it is parody. I don't know, it's whatever the word I'm looking for it is. It's, it's intent caricature. That's pretty good. Thanks, Ninja Dude.

It's a caricature of sport. It emphasizes the weird tribalism to the point where people are cheering when people get seriously injured or almost killed. It has intentionally arbitrary rules to sort of to highlight how utterly arbitrary the rules can feel sometimes, especially if you don't really understand sports and you don't care to learn about them. Like it is it is intentionally stupid and intentionally makes no sense. And this is something that isn't even just like a retcon, oh yeah, you know, I totally intended for that plot hole or, you know, I intended for those characters to have an unspoken relationship or, you know, whatever.

This isn't just some like random inserted in an interview five years after the fact this was like well established right early on yeah Quidditch is f**king stupid and that's totally on purpose yeah and also like it was one of those games I remember reading about it because there was pretty much no way for them to win on this because to make the game True to the sport right like in the novels and in the movies You you have to it would have to suck yes, and you and so you would anger a lot of the hardcore fans of You know the Harry Potter universe right and and then to make a balanced game that would actually play like a decent game at all Well yeah, you have to completely change over over over it

So if you make a balanced game you'll you'll you'll screw up with the hardcores And if you make the game the way that it was in the novels and the way it was in the movies It'll be completely unplayable. Yeah to any gamer who's like It'll be completely unplayable. Yeah to any gamer who's like Knows what a rule set is and how the yeah I've raiden Raiden 428 says they should have just done Calvin Ball at that point. Yeah, dude Yeah, I would play this out of Calvin Ball. Yeah, like Okay, why not because Bill Watterson would never license it. That's why that makes sense

Bill William if I may you know what no I disagree hold on okay hold on William okay how about this is a deal how about this is a deal okay you license Calvin house waitbes. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You license Calvin and Hobbes. Stop it. But, but the not-for-profit organization that runs it, okay, has like all the safeguards, okay? It has like capped executive pay for the people who met, stop it, for the people who manage the IP, okay, it contributes literally 100% of its yearly proceeds to the foundation or the cause of your

choice in perpetuity and it just, it contributes in some way, in some way, just nothing but good to the world with all the profits that it made. Give me a Hobbs toy! I think I think based Bill Watterson understands that given the erosion of time and entropy, all things are able to become corrupted and wasted. Well he knows that as soon as he dies it's gonna happen anyway Hold on as long as you can or or don't live to see your your thing that you made ruined or instead of Right don't allow the hobbit to be made in video in movie form instead of writing that weird Picture book or whatever yeah spend your time spend your time like making it make is setting it up for coolness Before you go man because the world needs more Calvin and Hobbs did it that'd be cool

Well, he doesn't want to he's like retired no That'd be cool. Well he doesn't want to he's like retired. No Unretire well, I would like that too. Don't make like better this time. Yeah better this time, please Don't make that thing what up, dude Me yeah, I mean what I guess. Hello State your request What hello? Oh, oh hi, okay? It's live right now. Yeah. Yeah, are you doing the stand? I don't know anymore Okay, bye all right

Dan do you have merch messages for me sure? BRB one second okay, bye topic are we even I don't remember I don't Yay ditching Linux. I don't know how we go. It's it's happening. Oh this makes this kind of suck Why is what is though? Will uh we'll do we can anyways, yeah sure you guys should go away there we go. Yeah lead, please. Thank you. I love you Okay, let's see. What do I got? What are we? Okay. I am so out of it today, I'm so sorry. It's okay. Okay, what do we have? I know that there was something in there. Dude, so I have to,

so the WAN Show's been ending slightly early for quite a while because I've had to do bird meds every day, 12 hours apart. Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. Because it's 12 hours apart and you know, you have to go to work. It's basically determined that the latest it could be in the morning is like 8 30. So we do birds, meds at 8 30 in the morning.

That means 12 hours later, we have to do bird meds at 8 30 at night. My girlfriend's going to be away this weekend. So I've had to try to learn how to do bird meds alone. We've had this, we've had this strategy where I catch them, she gives them the medicine, we're good. We make the room really dark, they have really bad dark vision, humans have generally better dark vision, I can see them, I can catch them no problem. And I hold them with two hands so that I have a very nice hold on them where there's no pressure at all, they're mostly just like standing on one of my fingers while I'm just

not allowing them to leave. And I nicely hold their head in place and everything's all good and safe and they're generally okay with it. I now have to catch them entirely holding them in one hand and then medicine feed them with my other hand, which is the traditional way to do it. It's a hard thing to learn. I'm figuring that out right now. That's been a trip. Ask for help. Like from who? Who's been a trip Ask for help Like from who? Who's gonna be able to help me at 830 in the morning in my house?

What if the other bird helped yeah? Well, we've got lines back already. We didn't even get to do a merchant. I'm a maneuver. We're good. I was so fast What did you do sound like my wife again? What did you do? Sound like my wife again. What did you do? You good? Me? Yeah. Yeah, I got my chips. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. All right. Just making sure. Canada hasn't been invaded yet. It's great life is good. What are we talking about? I don't think we actually got to a Merch messages. I was buying time. We do actually have to explain Merch messages and do a couple so this is probably okay. Oh, are we due to do that? Okay, hey, Merch messages.

The best way to interact with the show, it's Merch messages or just I don know, rolling up and interrupting apparently because that's what Jake does. What a guy. What a flipping guy. So we don't do twitch bits, we don't do super chats, we do merch messages because the way that we see it, if you're gonna throw money at your screen, hey your screen should throw something right back in your face! That's right! What? What did you throw? I don't know, it was heavy though, wasn't it? It exploded. Yeah, it was pretty exciting. So the point is

that all you gotta do to send a merch message, which will go to Producer Dan over here. I wasn't aiming at you, Dan. No, it's exploded all over the floor. It's fine, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. It did, it did. You sound like my wife now. the floor it's fine it's fine yeah yeah it's good you sound like my wife now oh don't take a blacklight home the point is the point is that all you got to do is go on LTT store.com throw something in your cart you'll see a

little box for merch messages you can leave a merch message it will go to producer Dan he'll forward it to someone, answer it himself, he'll pop it up on the bottom of the screen, or he will curate it for me and Luke to respond to live on the show. You don't have to do that anymore. Do what? You got an operation and everything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 100%, 100%. Now it's just for fun. All right, maybe we can wrap up this segment and get into some Merch messages. Well, that's what I should have done. Yeah. That wouldn't be a problem!

I know! I'm telling you, you can't be this on it when you're sick. You're setting an unfair bar. I'm never going to be able to do the way to what I'm saying. It's ridiculous. So anyway, it's in the cart. You check out your merch message, something, we'll reply to it, curated merch messages.

Dan, do you wanna show a couple of them how it works? Sure, sure, sure. Linus, do you still hold your meme stock, or did you end up selling it all? Yvonne took it from me at some point, because we needed to shift some cash around at some point. I think we lost money. It was way after the fact. I remember that. Yeah. I remember you. I think one of

you told me and I was like, oh, you like still had that. The investment account is empty now not because we lost everything. Was it? Did it come out flat? I actually legitimately don't remember anymore but Yvonne needed to move everything that was out of that sort of play money investment account that she let me have and she needed to do something responsible. Oh I think to buy the Smash Champs building. Yeah I think it was probably the down payment for Smash Champs. It's okay so what okay so I hear you when you say the investment account is empty and I understand how that functionally works

But we have things like the the NAS company and framework like is that because those are different forms of so So the when I say the investment account is empty market that yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, so I own literally Zero dollars in the market in the market. Yeah, yeah however I think I think I have an investment in a REIT I forget I forget what it stands for real estate something t something it's some kind of like term deposit thing and they like invest in real estate on your behalf or something like that so I So I have a small amount in a REIT. I have the approximately quarter mil in framework like 220 or 225 or something like that. It's a similar amount in, I don't know if they've, have they, they've announced their names right?

The name? Hashtag? Well now it's announced. I think so, I think there's even a website. In the NAS, yeah, in the NAS software company. And that, I have real estate holdings, and then I own stocks in Linus Media Group, Inc. This thing. Yeah, HexOS. Eshtec, yeah, it's down at the bottom of the page. Yeah, yeah, so that, that is it.

It's one of those things where I think that there would definitely have been opportunities for me to do extremely well in textdocs but it has seemed a inconvenient and be extremely unethical yeah to. I wanted to buy Nvidia back when it was like $17 when I worked at NCIX. That would have been a pretty good move.

Yeah. It is what it is. But yeah, you know how it is. I think holding framework like ultra-omega long-term is a little bit different than like flip tech stocks. Diamond hands in framework. The framework was a statement. I wonder what the technical value of that investment is now.

I don't know. I was gonna say. Nirav offered to tell me last time I saw him when I was at Computex and I was like, dude, I actually don't wanna know. Yeah. It's not gonna change anything. Yeah and the reality of it is even if it even if it doubled even if it quadrupled it's not it's not gonna impact our business in any meaningful way like where we're not the salaries we're not cash strapped it's's not like we're, it's not like we like have trouble

making payroll. You know, and I feel like now is a good time to just like shout out the team, like massive, massive shout out to the merch team, business team, content team. Did we talk about this last week? We had, we had an All Hands. Was that this week? We talked about it in the All Hands. Yeah, we had an All Hands earlier this week and We had an All Hands. Was that this week? We talked about it in the All Hands. Yeah, we had an All Hands earlier this week. Was that this week? This was a long week, dude. Was it this week? Uh, yeah. Holy crap.

That's nuts. Oh my, oh! That's crazy! No! Oh, no, that's not okay. That's actually wild! We all should not feel like that. I'm upset. That's actually upsetting. What not okay. That's actually why we all should not feel like that I'm upset. That's actually upsetting. What a week. That's crazy. Okay, we have weird. It's weird that the Beginning of co vid feels like it was like a couple years ago I know but this week feels like it was a month long. Yeah, I could have guessed at least two or three weeks

Yeah, so we had an all-hands this week And I was I was the one of the quarterly speakers It was mine and Yvonne's turn from the exact team to to speak in addition to sort of Taryn giving opening closing remarks Great PowerPoint. Thank you. Thank you very much. I drew our building on fire and my point was there's a lot of headwinds coming for us and And my point was there's a lot of headwinds coming for us and so what, we should just give up. So it was kind of a little talk about resilience for the team and in both directions, you know, talking about the resilience we're going to need to have going forward and also celebrating the resilience that we have shown over the last, realistically, the last few years, which

have, has involved a hyper growth phase and a shrink phase and then a more gradual re-clawing our way back to where we were phase and, and I took a little bit of time to, to shout out some of the teams that have been essential for that kind of, I don't know what to call it, other than just like a getting back on track, right? Like LTT, I think I had said, was within 15%, 10%, within 10% of where views were like sort of last July last June last July? The overall company like the entire portfolio. I think was in was within like 15 or 20 percent viewership wise Float plane massive massive shout out to the float plane team To the social teams so Sammy if you if you floaters are watching all those exclusives,

Sammy's been. Killing it, man. Crushing. I've really been enjoying. Crushing it. The Float Plane content. And you know, I mean, like, Sammy doesn't operate in a vacuum, you know, you gotta give credit

to the behind the scenes folks, right? Like obviously, there's the editors, you know, the community management, like Chewie, there's the guys that are working on strategy from the business team that are helping with all this stuff. Yeah, huge shout out business team, but basically like every team it's kind of been resilient was what I had wanted to talk about and I forget where I started on all of this. Does anyone remember what the question was? I don't think I remember anymore. Dan?

Do you still hold meme stocks? Oh, yeah, right Yeah, I don't remember how I got here. But anyway, the team is amazing and thank you all. Oh right full plane is back almost up to 40,000 40,000 members which is pretty nuts Kind of unbelievable. Yeah, you know if you think about. Because that we we spiked up that high because of the YouTube hack and then we you know we thought it was gonna decline after the YouTube hack because it was such a crazy spike and we thought that people were at least some of the people

coming in had no long-term intentions even before they saw the platform. We were hoping that some of them were going to see it and be like, Oh, this is actually pretty cool. I'm going to stay. And that did seem to happen to a surprisingly large percentage of them, but some people were just going to naturally naturally fade out. But to be back up to near YouTube hack levels is like, whoa, pretty nuts. Do you remember why I was talking about the all hands? Cause I don don't I got distracted by the fact that I thought that that was like a

month ago no okay cool well anyway oh we you you were talking about how the company doesn't need the money oh yeah framework yeah okay so the the framework thing you know how did that how did that figure into that? I don't know. Because we were talking about investments. You were talking about how you could try to sell. We were talking about, do you know the valuation of your investment? Oh yeah, no, I have no idea.

Yeah, I have no idea. And it doesn't matter. Oh right, and it doesn't matter because I was talking to the team about how like, we're kind of back, baby. Yeah, it's feeling good. We had two separate threads. Two. Yes, I saw this. With a bunch of back, baby. Yeah, I'm feeling good. We had two separate threads. Two!

Yes, I saw this. With a bunch of upvotes. I think it was either, I think it was last week on the subreddit that were like Yo, have you been just like really enjoying the content lately? And people were like Yeah! It's been, it's been, and you know what, it's been

it's been really heartening for the team like today. I I read out What I thought was just a really cool comment on On one of ploops recent videos But what was oh, yeah, I know what when you're talking about you do I think I know the comment you're talking about. yeah. You do? How could you possibly know this? Did you read through Chewie's social report? Oh no, you sent me a comment. Oh no, it's a different one. So this was on almost nobody else has the world's best TV and

they go, this channel is running on all cylinders again. The creativity of the skits, the edgy jokes, the efficient means of delivering useful information, the creation of a culture for tech, LTT is putting out some great stuff lately. Linus seems like he's in a flow state. It's good to see, honestly. I hope you continue to create a reputation for quality, transparency, and fun. You guys are killing it.

That doesn't happen with Linus in a flow state, right? Like that happens when you've got resilience, that happens when you've got people working hard, caring a lot, and just kind of, and just kind of bearing down and getting it done. And when I say bearing down and getting it done, that doesn't mean that you have to like, be in like a frantic, know horrible state all the time it

means it means focusing on what we need to be doing and not allowing yourself to get distracted by by negativity or by by things that don't matter you know by by little details important stuff unimportant details well is when generally when commenters make comments like Linus feels like he's in a flow state or Input pretty much anyone else's public-facing name. It's Really what I think they're generally saying not always obviously but what they're generally saying is like The the personification of this person which is a bunch of people in the company in a trench coat is doing well If that makes sense, yeah, like the this person and the supporting teams around them are doing well and to be clear not everything is

perfect no right like course not never will be we're not perfect not everything is going according to plan and no we still make mistakes sometimes yep like I think we called a rise in seven a rise in five or something like that core ultra Five two eight five K which is not its name. Yeah Yep, and I also misspoke at the beginning of video where I was like AMD doesn't really make rise in fives and rise in Threes anymore. We were literally reviewing a rise in five My point was AMD doesn't really make low-end chips in their current generation anymore. They just like Don't bother when the earlier Ryzen generations, AMD brought their latest tech, they brought their A game to budget consumers and now they just don't do it. I misspoke. I said Ryzen

5 and Ryzen 3 when what I meant was Ryzen 3 and a very limited lineup of Ryzen 5s because they've just kind of hollowed out their low end and I'm sorry I'm sorry. It doesn't change my point and yeah I should make sure that we're actually you know saying the right words at the right times in the right order. But yeah I think we're I think we're doing a lot right overall and I think that there's definitely going to be some some some tweaks for us to continue to make. I think that having the definitely going to be some some some tweaks for us to continue to make. I think that having the having like the the leadership team in to kind of help focus on the business things that need to be done so that I can do what I do best, which is focus on the content has overall been a very good thing, even though it's been it's been a learning curve. it's been, it's been a learning curve. It's been a learning curve.

I had, honestly, yeah, man, whatever. I might as well just say it. I had, I had a, you know, somewhat short conversation with another member of the leadership team this morning. You know? This morning. Yep.

We kind of, we kind of chatted through, you know, what my expectations were about a certain thing and like what their expectations were and how we both probably didn't meet each other's expectations in a way that was conducive to putting forward the best work that we both could together. And it was constructive. That's good. But that's the thing is nobody's perfect. Yeah.

Nobody's perfect. Yeah. And I, speaking of the nobody's perfect thing, like, like I said, we're always going to make mistakes as a company. There's always going to be, you know, I don't know, we're going to do our best. It needs to be better than it is right now, but there's always going to be some line here that, you know, all core ultra five. There's always going to be that in every once in a while. Like it's nobody's perfect. Right. But community wanted that from us for a while.

But... Ehhh... Community wanted that from us for a while. So I've been in this, honestly, toxic habit of checking the LTT subreddit once every couple days in this, like, what thing is being... Why are we being called demonic entities this time? And it's been a nice shift in the last few months, where it's just actually, like, LOL some meme meme or like hey this video is pretty cool and it's like oh we're not evil well I think by

and large they figured out that's great they figured out that we're like mostly trying it's just it was yeah yeah it's a lot nicer. And I'm, you know, again, I'm not expecting people to not give constructive or critical feedback when there is constructive or critical feedback to give, etc. It's just, it was, it was popular and welcomed and praised to crap on us for like a year. Oh, it still is in some places, depending where you go. To be fair yeah yeah yeah. It's like it's kind of comical at this point because it's like yeah there are

certain... Do you have any idea what other kinds of entities there are in the world that you could direct this energy at? Like are you even are you even trying to find something to be legitimately angry about at this point? Are you just like... Have you ever thought about food? Some random? Oh man? Yeah

Looked at what goes in your food. Oh Wow, have you ever looked into palm oil? You know like do you know what canola oil stands for no? Look this up recently Where is it? Where is it such one name, but now it's like Canada oil or something like a way yeah I think you made that up canola oil get its name from? It stands for Canada Oil Low Acid.

No way. Yeah. A name created by a Canadian industry group of rapeseed oil producers. The canola plant is a type of rapeseed that is low in two compounds that when removed makes its oil healthier and tastes better. Probably because saying the name of the seed just sucks.

Why would they? So I wanted to come up with something. That makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. when removed makes his oil healthier and tastes better. Probably because saying the name of the seed just sucks. Why would they come up with something? That makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. Made out of orphan killing plant. Yeah, I would wanna rename that first. Maybe we should go back to the marketing table, you know?

That would get renamed just super fast. Very quickly. I would. This oil, it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna oil you in the mouth Whoa Let's let's rename that yeah, let's rename that but we oil into some announcements Yeah, is that what we're supposed to be doing did we do two merge mess?

We did one merge message for 45 minutes, and now we're gonna do the announcements and then probably move on to another topic. Oh wow, okay. Okay, announcements. I can see the reddit threads now. We're already back to being evil again. Yeah, it's a new R word. Um, so why- Oh, hahaha!

Why don't you grab a- why don't you grab a- Okay, okay. Because I think it's time to relax and get cozy. We went all in on making your new favorite hoodie the aptly named Super Soft Hoodie. It's made of a buttery smooth fabric that our fashion team absolutely fell in love with, along with a brushed fleece inside that feels luxuriously soft. It also features a custom big chunk draw cord with an LTT logo engraved in the end that adds a nice little accent. Hold on I'm gonna go

to the Luke cam. You want to show them the big chunk? No, too comfy. Oh my god. Okay, he's really gonna be like that about it. What big chunk? I wasn't even paying attention to those two. The big chunk draw cord. Oh, these are sweet. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, there's the big... So they're like actually huge. Yeah, like the metal at the end is... she's chong, she's chong.

Do we have an example of like a normal sweater? I don't know. Because these are actually... like I have big hands, big fingers. That's my finger next to it. Yeah, they're chunky, they're chunky. It's big. You'll have to take my word for it. And of course, we have a nice soft Kanga pocket to stick your hands into.

And something that we go out of our way to add on our hoodies, a more secure pocket for your phone or earbuds. You want to show them our classic phone pocket? There it is. Basically, we wanted to make a hoodie that you didn't even have to think twice about throwing on. We even chose a color that works with just about any outfit.

Like if you throw the Tech Bro vest on top of this guy, you're looking snazzy and warm. Oh, okay, he's gonna do that. It's available now at LMG.GG slash super soft. Which this is apparently a thing. I had to get educated. This is a thing huh? Okay. I didn't know that people wore vests over sweaters. Okay, yeah it's called a sweater vest.

What are you an idiot? No it's not it's not called that sweater vest is a thing. It's a vest that's a sweater. So yeah tech bro he's gonna be boiling in like four seconds. I'm going to overheat. He'll wear it for as long as he can. And die. Yeah we're in the studio, we're under the lights, it's not it's not a good time for a warm boy like Luke to be wearing something like that How quickly do you think Emma will steal this oh? I Were you there Dan will it even make it inside the door the second I even felt it I told her already was here

And I was like I'm going to have this for the WAN show and then it won't be mine anymore like yeah When I get home, it's gone which kind of sucks because it's actually really nice. Yeah got em. But. Anyway alright so here's the here's the photo shoot for it. Super cute. Love it. It's gen- it's like the name is quite accurate.

It's genuinely very very so. There's the chunky draw cord. Yeah we're really proud of this one. We're really happy with how this one turned out. Are there any other announcements, Dan? Oh, no way. They didn't include a pic of the inside on the website. Can you give us a close-up?

Oh, yeah, sure. Luke cam. I mean, I don't know how close we're gonna be able to get to it. But it's a brushed style a brushed. It's a brushed style Yeah, so not like the French Terry like we've done on a lot of our other hoodies. Yeah, there's one more announcement Elijah week plus Five for five. What does that mean? This week is a big week on floatplane

It's not only Eli week, but we are releasing five week on Float Plane. It's not only Eli week, but we are releasing five Float Plane exclusives next week. That is five videos in one week for your $5 monthly subscription. Oh. It says react to this. Oh no. Dan. What? Oh, do I gotta pull something up? Do we have audio? Uh. Can't be worse than what we were calling canola oil Yeah, if you want to just play it I can check. That's the word for it. I Luke I don't I don't make the rules America will hear us if you keep saying that word America oil eagle sounds That's what they sound like

Is that a red-tailed hawk it's like not even an eagle. I don't know. Whatever. Okay, what are we watching? I'm playing the thing. I have no audio. Okay. I have audio. Okay, we ready? You gotta- all right Linus laptop. Here we go. Announcing Elijah week and more. How long I'm gonna get there? It's finally my week here at Float Plane. It's about damn time I get some recognition for all the hard work I put in here. You can do this. This is your week. This is your week. Everyone has to do what I say this week.

I basically run this company. Yeah, so what was that meeting for? He just walked in and I shook his hand. What's the score? What did I just approve? You know, it's time for some big changes. Elijah, what are you doing with my desk? Get out of here!

Just go check out these teasers. I would have never gotten into IT if it wasn't for watching LTT. I did not get hired because of this script. That's gonna be the best part about this. So then I got hired in logistics. If Elijah wins, he gets a lunch given by me and the pay for by the company.

If Alliance wins, he saves $25 because no one gets lunch. Ha ha ha ha ha! And immediately found a spelling mistake in like the first sentence. And I'm like. When did TechLate officially launch? Probably launched between like 2005 and 2024. You're asking questions about the content.

Yeah, I did, I did. And he still got it wrong. You're asking me also about the content 12 years ago. It's our popular video, you know that means you've probably seen it. Yeah but nobody watches the popular- No sorry, let me finish this. Go ahead. Yeah nobody watches the popular videos.

Oh man. So uh, go ahead and subscribe on Float Plane if you guys want to check out Elijah Week. Oh Man so Go ahead and subscribe on floatplane if you guys want to check out Elijah week alright Dan hit us with another merch message No way we should probably get straight into sponsors over. We won't have enough time for all these lovely topics Oh, um alright fine the show is brought to you by thingiverse Do you need a little help squeezing that big tool into tight spots? Really Do you need a little help squeezing that big tool into tight spots? Really? Our sponsor, Thingiverse, has you covered.

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Dan, do you need a minute? Dan needs no minutes! Needs maybe one minute. He has all the minutes he needs. He's powerful like that. Our Dan is the best Dan. No offense to the other Dan's. Yeah. He's the real Dan. That's why he stood up just now. We even have other Dan's. To help us get the- Actually, oh, okay. That's actually really not fair. We have some other really great dance We have the best dance. We have all the greatest dance

Our dance my friends call me and they're like wow you have such great dance your dance Yeah, we've got the jokes are back. We've got Dan Besser., Dan Siegel, Danis......imposter Dan. Dake. Okay, so what am I doing here? Am I screen sharing? So this, as far as my understanding goes, has the generative AI paint stuff, and it has the AI notepad tools. Alright, so it's... And that laptop is now Luke's laptop, so you can send it over to the main screen

when you're ready. Oh, I understand. Boom, nope. Nope. That's mine. Neat. New AI experiences for Paint and Notepad. Okay, so Paint version 11.2410.28.0.

Yeah, you couldn't have just. Fantastic. Yeah, sure. Generative fill, a powerful new creation tool designed to help make your artistic process more fun and intuitive. Okay, now that is bliss. And this is actually, this is our demo, right?

Like we did this? No, no, this is on Microsoft's website. No, this is what? No, no, I'm just learning. I'm learning about it first. Don't learn. If you don't like what was generated Just press try again

Wow, it will be available on snapdragon powered copilot plus pcs blah blah sign in your Microsoft account etc ooh generative erase Okay, make it look like the object was never there very cool very cool, so let's see but it probably gone let's go update the co-creator okay no Pat I don't know if I care as much about let's play around with paint it shall we Luke do you want to be this was what who okay so what should we what should we put in it what should we put in it I want to play with it get it to generate your car Generate my car how the how the devil am I gonna get it to do that generate the world's most Flashy self-important Porsche that you can that it that it can Really Luke really look okay well we'll have to start with image creator then rather

than the actual generative fill features whoops click the wrong one again okay so image creator man I haven't really used paint much you know yeah I was kind of wondering like will this feature get people to actually use paint again because I feel like paints kind of a bit of a dead meme so is notepad to be honest, but Okay, so I want to Can with the brand rap nice. Yeah, that's what I drive right perfect So let's see what it comes up with I don't think it's gonna come up with anything. This is like a license. You know thing potentially wow It's it needs a second here. Give it give it a second. We're generating we're generating

Okay All right, yeah, I mean I mean yeah, that's that's pretty good Okay, well here. Let's we didn't we didn't say like Yeah, we didn't say the color. Let's say it's purple But that that's pretty good that is pretty that is pretty good. That's a very strong start We didn't say it was purple. Yeah, I didn't say what skin it looks like a car with a weird custom. It's not kind of Similar headlights, it's missing the like cheetah tear thing a little bit. It's got kind of similar headlights. It's missing the cheetah tear thing a little bit.

It gives you Porsche vibes though. Oh yeah, definitely. Oh, 100%. Okay, yeah, that one does too. Okay, okay, sure. Okay, purple... Texture maybe? Damascus steel...

Cool, we're getting close. Yeah, we're getting more specific. Inspired... V-brand wrap, okay. Man, that's not bad. Okay, so let's get our base image here, and then we can, and then we can do some generative fill.

Maybe we could put a person in the thing, or like. Make your wheels, your face? Whoa! Whoa! Okay, which one do we like the best I feel like that first ones like getting kind of close I Feel like this one's cooler. I do feel like that one's cool dude that that's super cool. I think that one's more Lore accurate you know okay all right that one's got some wacky glitches going on. Yeah look at this situation here. Yeah and I think the wheel is like in the headlight kind of. All right okay so we're gonna go with this guy? Sure or the

or the cool one I just I think this one's more accurate that one's pretty sick they're both cool. Let's go with this one. Okay so uh okay. Should you be like crouching in front of it? Well, I don't know Luke I don't know I describe what you'd like to create. Uh, okay, so style wait No, this is generated our preview image creator co-creator. Okay. Well, wait, do I how do I? How do I do any of this? I guess I could have Dan, do you know? No, I assumed that what you would do is you would do a lasso. Like you've got the selection tool there if you do the drop down and then go like free form and then like highlight something.

So I'm gonna ask to put a person like there I guess. Sure. And then generator fill if you hit the button just underneath the lasso. Oh! So you could erase or generate a fill. Wow, that's nice and intuitive. I just guessed. Yeah, do it and...

Describe what you'd like to add. Like, uh, okay, uh, person's head driving this car. Okay? Sure. Create. Yeah. She's uh, she's cooking. Doing something.

She's cooking. I feel like it's too slow to engage the children. Maybe not. Maybe not. No, okay part of the That could be part of the fun No, it looks like they're like in the not in the driver's seat well Technically I didn't say they need to be in the driver's seat. They're not really in any seat I just said they need to be driving the car me before coffee

They're like sitting on the armrest I need that as a profile picture. It's gonna be my new team's profile picture gonna be my new team's profile picture. Oh, they're so good. They're in his hand too. Did they not figure the hand thing? I didn't say that he needed to be looking at the road. Oh, he's looking at a lot of roads. Yeah.

Uh, okay. Well, yeah, hold on, hold on. Let's give it another try. Let's give it another try. Okay. Yeah, hold on. Where's my lasso here? Okay. So let's do a... let's give her the old Okay, so we're gonna generate oh Okay, um

Couple put it okay. I'm a storm made out of bread driving a typical Porsche driver in the driver's seat and his Sugar, baby in the passenger seat Come on local FYI. That's why it's low. I'm embracing the stereotypes. Okay. I'm super down what What am I looking at what was the prompt Wasn't it supposed to be two people? Who is this guy? It's mostly just a smear I think. Who is this guy? I think he's got a pouty lip and like a giant mustache. That really does look like the world's largest mustache

It's like globs. Yeah, okay. I have to take it back to foreshore because the heated seats don't work Wow, so that just I think I think the smaller lasso was definitely the play. My buttocks is chilly Okay, what what? Solve it. I feel like a poor. Oh, oh I want a cool hood ornament I'm sorry. The wealthy don't have chilled buttons by buttons are seat temperature Okay Oh website to begin a Super cool and classy Good apparently there's a try again button oh

Yeah, I probably should have used that That's a good idea So what are you doing a hood well? well Mm-hmm to be fair you did kind of put it in a you did circle a kind of a weird spot for hood ornament Well, no, I wanted to be coming in right here. I don't know. I said you circled way above Yeah, he's kind of she's kind of sitting on there I mean that you could put a hood ornament there sir. I just need a second one technically on the hood Whoops is it is it on the fender? Oh shoot I control zed and it didn't oh

Yeah, yeah, I think it's sitting kind of here. Yeah. Yeah, no for sure so can I though can I tell it to? Yeah, yeah, no for sure so can I though can I tell it to? Well here I'm co-create co-creator image create. Can I tell it to like get another one? You know? Like here like can I just like grab this and oh? Still paint yep, okay. Well no no that's fine. That's fine. I I can use paint here We go what about second one? There we go. Okay, so so hold on. I've got a plan for this though. Remove the background. There's a plan Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna just give it the old merpaderer. Oh, shrippity-fri. Yep. Well, oh What? Oh man the Okay

Yeah, here we go Good luck with this. Okay, but oh, okay. I think I'm about to remove something. Remove just removes, so I mean, you know, um, from far enough away You know, you're pretty far away. You gotta go pretty far away. You gotta go pretty far, from far enough away. You know. You gotta go pretty far. Yeah, you gotta go pretty far away.

You gotta go pretty far away from far enough away. You have now hit the bird. Yeah, well. Oh, I need a license plate. Okay. I need a license plate on the front because I... And after you do the license plate, I think I'm officially bored.

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, next you get to check out notepad, which would be even more exciting. No, I'm not doing that. I can do that. Did you want me to do that? This is neat though. I like a lot that it's local. I understand it's not as good. I didn't realize that it was local. That doesn't seem as good. Well someone in full plane job said it is. I'm pretty sure it is. This is a snapdragon. Yep. So like that's cool. I like local of this stuff. That's awesome. So even if it's not as good, that's fine I mean, it's pretty cool. Yes, that's a license plate on the car sure is that's a hood ornament It's also on the car that first face might have been a little cursed But it did kind of look like it was a sort of- he was in the car somewhere.

I mean, he might have had the shifter, like, wedged between his butt cheeks, but, um... He's not going anywhere. Yeah, that's safe. That's it for safety. Yep. What if you got in a crash? You don't want it to accidentally go backwards when you meant to go forward. Yeah. Yep. That's why you gotta look both ways at the same time, like that guy.

That's right. That's right. Pfft. That's why you got to look both ways at the same time like that guy. That's right. That's right Yeah, he's safe he's a safe driver so um notepad seriously is there anything to that is important to look at a notepad or I don't know it does like gender-driven stuff if you want to just like talk about it. You can show it I don't know if it's here's what I'm curious about Why are we putting development into notepad and killing wordpad? Why didn't we just kill notepad and make wordpad better? Like what was the what was the rationale here? Maybe someone from Microsoft anyone from Microsoft in the chat. Can you want to tell me why notepad was the focus? Please anyone?

Be alert. I feel like they killed the wordpad because it was probably harder to Maintain. You think so? And then they were able to just ignore Notepad because there was nothing going on, so it wasn't gonna break. But they aren't ignoring Notepad, they're like making Notepad AI now. I'm saying why they made that decision in the past. Oh, maybe. But then people like me,

who've just been very exclusively, very committed relationship style, using Notepad++ plus for like a decade and We'll never go back so Just like word pat. I know it was I know they killed it cuz it's too close to word But I needed a way to open docs without yeah having word Like they're just pushing me straight into the arms of Google for one time in the last 12 years

I've had to open a word document. I don't have Word installed. I have no reason to have Word installed I would still like to be able to open this document. Yeah, that's what WordPad was for. Yeah, it was fine It was not bloaty. It was fine Open Docs is a thing. Yeah, that's fine. But the only reason I don't have Word is because I'm just setting up this computer. So I don't want to install any software I just want to open this bloody document because as the serial for the piece of software that I'm installing or something like it's just I don't know all right let's do another topic yeah so yeah MS Paint it's something look what do you want to do AMD Rockets forward yeah let's do it

according to Mercury research AMD's desktop CPU market share has climbed 10% in the last year. This has manifested most clearly in widespread reports that the Ryzen 7 9800X3D has sold out at retailers throughout Europe and North America. And I mean, I'm not surprised if you ask anyone what CPU they should get. If they're a gamer, they say whatever like the best x3d chip is and that's just what it's been for a while anyways They apparently sold out within minutes on Amazon and Best Buy Wow

Newegg has claimed that they are out of individual units of the 9800 x3d But they they are for some unexplained reason still offering the 9800X3D, but they are, for some unexplained reason, still offering the 9800X3D plus motherboard bundles. That's not an unexplained reason at all. I can explain that. They need to sell motherboards. And AMD in their... probably they're regretting it now. AMD in their sort of time of being necessarily pro-consumer created this expectation of their motherboard sockets lasting for a very long time so they've created this environment where they launch a new CPU and there's absolutely no accessory attached sales just new CPUs. Yep.

So new, which is like, yeah, you're buying motherboard and a lot of times RAM. Some of their bundles have motherboards and RAM. That's how they get you. Yeah. Further, there have been recent reporting that AMD's data center business unit has started outselling Intel's for the first time in its history.

Though this comes with some caveats, roughly a billion of AMD's 3.5 billion in data center sales is accounted for by machine learning, machine learning, MI, accelerators, an area that Intel doesn't particularly compete in. Without that key $1 billion, Intel's 3.3 billion remains the top spot. Intel knows, I've heard, I didn't dive into it, I've heard the most recent gen of Intel server processors are actually quite good despite their consumer stuff being... Intel knows that they have messed up. I think it would be

pretty hard to not know that at this point, but okay. Intel knows that they messed up in an interview with Hot Hardware, VP of Technical Marketing, Robert Halleck acknowledged the launch of Aerolake didn't go as planned, citing a series of issues the company has now identified at an OS level and at the BIOS level, and saying that the performance we saw in reviews, to be very clear, no fault of reviewers, was not what we expected and not what we intended. Um, can I interject for a moment?

The expectation that you're referring to as not what you expected, or as I've been, or as I've come to know it whatever it doesn't matter the point is good I can't remember the copy past I have I have like 300 confirmed kills yeah yeah yeah you you little shit sorry another copy past don't worry about it the point is what are you talking about? Yeah, that whole line was like, what? If you guys didn't have partner boards and you guys can't like, launch a game and like, no offense to our team but compared to the kinds of engineering resources that Intel can afford, we're just a bunch of random bumble

f***s playing with gaming computers. If you guys can't contact Gigabyte or MSI or Asus, be like, hey bro, do you mind sending over a motherboard so we can put a CPU in it and maybe open a fucking game and see if it like gets some FPS? The tools for evaluating this stuff, they're all free. What are you talking about? To be clear, I believe him. I believe that this whole thing was super rushed. I mean, and I believe that they absolutely didn't do the planning that they needed to execute this launch the way that they needed to execute. We did not get the

265k. Yeah. We had to go buy one after the fact, which to be clear, I can afford. Yeah. I went, I bought 10 7800X3Ds or whatever it was. The problem is the availability. The problem is that our job is to bring you guys information about these products so that you can make an informed decision and Intel didn't deem it fucking necessary to send us probably the most compelling chip in the entire stack. So our launch day review just doesn't have any data for it. Over what? Like, seriously, like bomb cost of this chip.

What, because so many people were going to need to buy them? Just send us, like send us like 80 bucks worth of sand and heat spreader so we can have the numbers for the people It's really that important to you. We can send it back. Yeah, really honestly What were you thinking? Sending us the 245 K and the 285 K and not the middle of the road What were you thinking bud? Yeah

Yeah, this didn't go as planned. The performance we saw in reviews was not what we expected. The last minute changes that we were getting. Maybe what they expected two years ago from this launch. Maybe. I don't know. But if that expectation was set any time, even sort of recently, like, what are you talking about? Ah.

Anyway. Yeah, I didn't even notice this. Our own notes have, despite their own AeroLake launch benchmarks, highlighting the new flagship losing to the 14900K, 9950X, and 7950x3d and then we have links to their slides like yeah like it was my understanding that they knew this doesn't make much sense I didn't want to talk about like meetings that we had from them but like what is this statement here we go where's uh

yeah they're literally like yeah we, we're on par, but like lower power and also we like lose at a lot of games. Which is like, okay, but like, personally, I think that's fine. It's just not exciting for me to buy it. But like, you know, if you're like, Hey, this is a massive generational change for us. We didn't take as much of a step forward performance wise as we had hoped, but we saved a ton on power and we're hoping that we're able to you know but like literally here's your slide then sure how you lose in five games and you win in four like stop it three no no this one counts oh they didn't make it blue I don these other ones are blue. I don't know. I don't... dude.

Okay. Sure. It's... A lot of really nice praise for our graphs lately, and especially that last video. So, you know, shout out. Yeah, shout out Sammy. Other more different Sammy than the last Sammy that I shouted out today. Shout out the team for making graphs that are better than Intel can make. Yeah. Boom roasted. Yeah, because Intel is kind of a big company. I mean, not as big as they used to be, but they're big.

Well, what, what, what, what? Maybe they, maybe, maybe they shouldn't have canceled and sell Extreme Tech Upgrade. Maybe. That was where it all went downhill. Honestly. That was, that was the beginning of the end. I think the timeline of that lines up pretty well.

Yep, if they had just stuck with Intel Extreme Tech upgrade, this never would have happened. Yep. This is Zen Kitty says salty liners. I'm not salty. AMD picked it up right where they left off, and I don't know if we've ever told AMD this, but they pay more.

Well, what, it was an established series by that point. Intel had the benefit of that they took a risk on it. And then when AMD picked it up, it was like, well, we know this is an absolute banger, so time to pony up. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. I feel like we've always been pretty open about that kind of stuff. No, man. I don't know. We're a highly transparent company. And some people will attack us for that. They'll look for points of, they'll look for gaps in the armor and they'll kind of try and wedge something in there.

But I think most people, I think the silent majority, sees what we do and sees what we're willing to talk about and kind of goes, okay, yeah, I think I have the measure of who these guys are and what they're about and that's the way it is. I mean, look, I've made it very clear at every stage that I'm not friends with any of these corporations that we cover, I never will be, and this is transactional.

They want exposure on our channel, exposure to our audience. We clearly disclose on our channel, exposure to our audience. We clearly disclose what is paid. And that's it. There's your talking points. It's separate from our opinions. It's all on the up and up. What else do we wanna talk about today?

Oh, this is so cool. This is so cool. YouTuber iBoffRCC has created a custom PCB add-on and swappable SSD modules for M-series MacBooks. This is so cool. Check this out. Okay. Blah, blah, blah.

The design isn't finalized. It requires a second Mac to run Apple Configurator to complete the setup because, I don't know, Apple hates their customers, who knows. But the DIY M.2 port was demonstrated to take modules up to two terabytes and hit similar speeds to Apple's own soldered storage because, of course it does, because it's all just hooked up to PCIe anyway these days

because that's what everybody's using for everything. And this distinction between, oh, special Apple SSD and other more different SSD is completely unnecessary, other than so that they can sell you an SSD upgrade for $200 for like $19 worth of NAND. Anyway, iBot found that strangely, the MacBook requires the SSD to be installed in order for the battery to charge, which they said was just another reason why the SSD should be replaceable.

Currently, Apple charges the same amount for two 16GB RAM slash 256GB storage Mac Minis, as it does for a single Mac Mini with twice the amount of RAM and storage. So literally, it's costing you twice as much to just upgrade the RAM and storage as an entire machine with half as much RAM and storage. Now this is cool. Curiously, curiously, it seems that the new M4 Mac Mini does have a single removable storage module. However, MacRumors notes that it's likely that the controller for the storage is still embedded in the SoC, limiting DIY upgrade and repair. Similar modules have been found in the MacStudio and the Mac Pro. Anyway, I just want to I just want to show this. This is so

cool! I hate that this innovation, which is super cool, is necessary. I don't understand why Apple hates their customers so much, and I don't understand why their customers continue to bend over and take it and be happy about it. But the modding is really cool, and I've enjoyed that on this show and in the last show, we've been able to highlight some cool community modders that are finding ways to improve. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

His mod was on the Macbook, that's the Mac Mini Replaceable Module from Apple. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh! That was the wrong pick I was showing. Hold on, hold on, I'll find it. My bad you guys. I have something to go over when you, after you find that. Yeah, I thought that didn't look right.

I hadn't seen the m4 Mac thing yet You muted me you played that audio. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I hadn't seen the I hadn't seen the m4 Mac mini one yet But I thought that man that's not what the thing looked like is it yeah here it is, dude So cool, so you guys got to go watch this Here Dan do you want to throw the throw the link and everything but float plane chat? I'll throw it in float plane chat Bookmark this go watch it later, dude How cool is that yeah? Love it sick. I'll check that out. Yeah

Okay, you brought up our graphs looking nice, and you thought they were better than Intel's. Well, I mean, it's not that I think they're better than Intel's, it's that Intel hates their graphs. Aggressively. They're unhappy with them. They're unhappy that we're better at Intel at everything that Intel does that we also do. Kidding.

Can my iPhone just like chill out and stop interfering with my mic? Yeah. Okay. I think I'm done with the iPhone. I'm wondering, yeah, when are you switching off? You said that like two weeks ago. I shot the video today. Oh, okay, I'm done with the iPhone. I'm wondering yeah, what do you switch enough you said I shot the video today? Oh? Yeah, video shot Okay witness

Well, I'm interested. You got some silver spray paint. Yeah, yeah I am interested in your thoughts in how much this adds or doesn't add to the video Okay, all right, okay? Did you see No Watch keep watching keep watching keep watching wait for the next one. He's I'm sure he's just talking right now. Yeah, whoa You see What do you think if it's very little work your thoughts then it's super cool whoa

What do you think? If it's very little work, then it's super cool. Yeah, if it's very little work. How much work do you think would be defined as very little work? Like having the, basically having the graph be animate like this one, the phone that we're actually talking about gets like kind of inserted in. Yeah. So here's my thing. I think if you have a video that has I would say less than half a dozen graphs, then by all means, spend the extra 15 minutes that it'll take to do this to each one or five minutes or whatever it is. If you have a video that's like a CPU review and there's 20 30 graphs, I forget the reason why I'm asking is basically when Labs is exporting graphs and charts and stuff,

it would be exported in a different format because it's like, okay, do we export the AI file so it's modifiable by the editor or do we export just like a PNG? Mm-hmm I Think it looks pretty nice I think it looks like you're saying when there's when there's like like the The most recent CPU video that we did yeah like the amount of graphs that were in this That could get that could get cumbersome. I could see that and the thing is that there's probably a lot There's also a lot of lines. I'd say a solid 75% of the time on LTT. I'm gonna bring up your laptop here

I'd say a solid 75% of the time on LTT when we're uploading a really graph heavy video. It's an embargo video Yes, we're pushing. We are time constrained. We're already we're already crunching. Yeah, so if you tell me Yeah, we're gonna add something unnecessary We're gonna animate it. We're gonna animate it, we're gonna make it pretty, we're gonna make it shiny, I'm gonna say give me a really, really good reason. And I'm sorry, but pretty is not a good enough reason in this case. I don't think that I don't think that I see a clear enough benefit. Now, if your team can figure out how I see a clear enough benefit. Now if your team can figure out how all of that just happens automatically and there's some kind of like slick web interface where you just kind of say like highlight this one and then it just like runs a magic behind the scenes animation

thing or something. I don't know. This is the one of importance so it does some. Yeah I don't know. We can explore that type of stuff. That is not what that looked like to me. That looked like. I don't believe that was that. That looked like After Effects or something like that. I don't know, yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what they used for that. We just gave the file.

Honestly, and the other thing too is, there's a little bit of if it ain't broke, don't fix it in my response as well People are super happy with this There's things that I would do differently. I prefer a highlight Compared to a dot I prefer and I prefer a box. I

Vastly prefer a box a red wireframe box. I don't want to actually highlight it I want it to be around it But I was told that the audience largely preferred the dot. Even though for me the dot is much more difficult to track because it moves in multiple on multiple axes. But you know this is a this is one of those cases where I'm not just going to I'm not just going to Impose my will because at the end of the day who's our boss? Audience. going to I'm not just going to impose my will because at the end of the day who's our boss audience to just knocking down what I'm setting up you know how to say anything yeah you'll just you'll just knock down everything you know what fine I'm gonna give the hints anyway it's not me and it's not Taryn there go ahead you can do it again. It's Dan

I'm not audience. I'm not liking the projections of where we're going Want more Luke huh more Luke in videos, huh? Huh, um I'm down put me in coach Gonna strike the land showo. Okay. Yeah anyway Yeah, no, I Yeah, it's it's cool, but I just don't I just don't see the Man what would I compare this to that? I mean that Mac address video only had like three guests. Well, that's the thing So yeah, it's okay. Yeah, it's like I could see on a more like lifestyle channel

They're also really early in the video Mm-hmm, so that's that's something that you guys will now that I'm gonna say it you're gonna notice it We make much heavier investments in Yeah, like you have to more expensive shots locations props editing in the first few minutes of a video compared to what we're willing to do toward the end. We aren't operating on the kinds of budgets that someone like a Mr. Beast might or whatever, so that every second of the video is designed with the expectation that you will be watching

it, and you must continue to watch it. We're just... It's like, yeah, realistically, not everyone is gonna be into this server network card. So we'll do everything we can to hook you. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. We're kinda okay with that. Protect the server network card from incoming hackers and win a million dollars.

The server network card is in a pit the pit is full of snakes there's a train coming what are you gonna do? the train's on fire! this is just tech support saw now I don't even watch MrBeast videos all of that guessing is just from his thumbnails oh yeah absolutely oh boy your files are stored on the server All of that guessing is just from his thumbnails. Oh, yeah, absolutely

Boy Files are stored on the server It's running right now. You must pull out the hard drive while it's running. I hired Seven ex CIA members to try to break into your server room Can you keep them out? For 24 hours Maybe do I get a minigun all right what are we supposed to be I don't know what's be doing topics I guess doing topics until we go to after dark I think it says a hundred hours of gaming ought to be enough for anyone. Wrong!

I mean, I'm not necessarily- Fake news! I'm not necessarily proud that they're wrong, but they are wrong. Wrong. Nvidia announced a few changes to GeForce Now, their game streaming service, the majority of which were upgrades. The priority membership tier has been rebranded

as Performance and will now have a max resolution of 1440p instead of 1080p While remaining at $10 a month and it also comes with an ultra wide option Super cool. Wait a hundred hours monthly. Oh, they're like actually wrong. People are actually gonna be upset about that Can you stop getting ahead of things? No, however Both the performance tier and the $20 ultimate tier will now have a 100 hour monthly limit which Luke spoiled what? Which Nvidia says learning about this right now. It is doing to avoid global price increases

Because some random people are putting in 200 hours a week. The limit works out to just above three hours a day, which Nvidia says accommodates 94% of their user base. Nonetheless, some users, 6% of them, did the math for them there, were extremely unhappy and expressed doubt that 94% of GeForce Now users were using it 100 hours a month or less. I have some bad news for you guys. Nvidia is probably not lying. You actually have a problem.

You win in those gaming lobbies because you don't do anything else. Yeah. Which isn't a problem. It's okay to have a problem. That's not a problem. It's just... You can quit. You can quit anytime you want. Nvidia will charge three dollars for an additional 15 hours of performance and $6 for 15 hours of ultimate so basically you're paying a third you're paying a third of your monthly rate

for How does that math work? It's more expensive. No. Yeah, it's more expensive. Why is it more expensive? That's stupid. You think it would be less expensive. Yeah. No, you think it would be more expensive because the other one is subsidized by the people who use it so little. No, no, that makes sense. Yeah, it would be more expensive. So that's probably closer to what it actually costs them,

which interestingly probably gives us some insight into the actual math for how much people are actually using the service compared to Like if you if you use it so if they can afford What was it a hundred hours a month for ten bucks and? Another 15 hours cost them three dollars then basically what that means is for every person who's using it a hundred hours You've got people who are barely touching it In order to have that math workout. Oh, but very very interesting plus There's some profit margin baked into both calculations probably Yep

Live streaming is extremely expensive None of this surprises me at all and especially when you make it like difficult live streaming Live streaming is extremely expensive. None of this surprises me at all, and... Especially when you make it like difficult live streaming. It also doesn't surprise me at all that, you know, now that you're locked into a subscription service, that subscription service would look to alter the deal. This is why we should probably, you know, refrains. Scrapyard Wars, like a mediocre PC rather than buy into a subscription service

that can be yoinked on us at any time. I thought you were going to put up the cost of a float plane subscription. Yeah, yeah, spend your money on float plane instead. Got him. Oh. How much does WAN cost, asks Luca103. A bunch? I don't think we know exactly do we oh no you do There's ways figured out. Yeah top my head It also changes like per episode because we'll we'll stream for two hours, then we'll stream for four and a half Yeah, so like I'm gonna start sending it at 40 Meg. Can you guys? Sure Like why don't we just do it won't make a difference to be honest, no twitch will freak out. Oh

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, but that's their problem. It's not a problem. I mean because what we receive from here Oh, yeah, that actually doesn't matter. Oh, yeah, that's true. We transcode it. Yeah. Yeah, who cares? Garbage garbage in garbage out though less garbage in less garbage out. Let's do it at 8k. 8k WAN show. That actually reminds me man, these C200s have been absolute Just tanks. Workhorses. Yeah. They've been here forever. Yeah, we used to use these for like trade shows and stuff and We ended up not getting a lot of use out of them there, but boy have they ever been great for the WAN show. Look at that. We got all these camera angles. It's like

I've got a c100 at home. Yeah, they're indestructible. Yeah great little cameras Yeah, yes, I think these c200s are like eight grand a body though, but you know, maybe what there's no way They're worth that anymore. Not anymore. Absolutely not. Okay. Yeah, I think we did pay quite a lot for them. Speaking of paying quite a lot for it, the Dow drops Intel. Intel has been removed from its 25-year position in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. I think we hinted to this last week, but it has happened, I guess. The go-to benchmark to measure the health of the U.S. stock market, the Dow Jones Industrial Average. This likely indicates that the maintain health of the US stock market, meaning the Dow Jones Industrial Average. This likely indicates that the maintainers of the Dow Jones believe that Intel's recent struggles are skewing the average in a way not generally reflective of the market as a whole, and they

were like, damn, we can get Nvidia in here! And then they did that. Its position has been replaced with Nvidia, which the S&P Dow Jones indicates apparently views as a more accurate Reflection of the chip making sector to that I don't necessarily agree with Much of an anomaly as Intel has been over the last little bit. Yeah, they're just on the other end of it Yeah, which I understand why you want that but what you're saying just isn't true anyways Discussion question is it really the company that's cool. Yeah, discussion question. Is Invidia really the company that's most reflective of the sector?

No. Nice. It is a good discussion question. We just got to it too early. A network along your skin. Researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have developed a method of transmitting 40 megahertz RF energy along human skin,

allowing the user to remotely power extremely small wearable devices that otherwise could not fit a battery, such as a patch that logs medical data. Whoa. This power could be delivered from head to toe from a power source worn elsewhere on the body. Startup Xana has created a prototype YR chip that uses a similar method to send Bluetooth slash wifi signals through the body's skin, thereby connecting multiple devices without broadcasting a wider,

potentially insecure signal. This would likewise allow users to share a connection oh oh Through skin to skin contact except like a handshake or a high five you could literally like handshake someone and like exchange contact Information whoa like if you had yeah, some like wearable modern antiques isn't that cool whoa? You touch people says sinful hands. I mean yeah, well Geeks it's kind of funny that yeah someone whose name and chat is sinful hands says you touch people mm-hmm

Just kind of works. It does it works. Yeah You're not as on as me today, I'm sorry You're not as on as me today, I'm sorry. Rude. So the discussion question here is, what kinds of wearable devices can you imagine with this technology? I mean, medical ones, I think, are obvious. We can kind of... What about embedded ones, too? Embedded in the skin. Well, I don't know, the signal goes along the skin, so you'd almost have to have... I mean, that would be kind of cyberpunk looking, right right because you'd have all the contacts and traces on the surface

and then it's just like you know buried in your muscle somewhere or whatever else like a Man, I don't know like could you could you? Cuz like if you had a heart rate monitor yeah that didn't increase the bulk along your body That could be kind of nice. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. Neuroamp. What are you guys talking about? Again, if you had a heart rate monitor that was powered through you, I guess, and it could maybe remotely transmit to your phone or something, so you could still check what it's reading, Be interesting. I mean yeah you could say powered tattoos. Oh that'd

be cool. E Ink tattoos. That would be so cool. Okay now people are getting me some some good ideas here. Imagine a tattoo that changes based on your heart rate. Yeah and then oh my god, you're gonna have like a little display in your inner wrist. What about earrings with lights on them? Dude, you could have, yeah, that'd be sick. You could have complicated like tattoos that reveal different details based on something.

Other powered jewelry or like, oh man, dude, you could have, so you could have like a necklace that like changes color with your mood, except actually, you know, not like those like cheap mood rings or whatever, but that is like actually based on like your anxiety level and stuff like that. Like, and, and sure. Yeah. The privacy issues, you know, people would do it. You know, people would do it. Internal cardiac monitors. Dude, this is so cool.

I mean, my thought is like, I'm just surreptitiously touching the back of your neck and stealing all your data and stuff like that, right? You're like, I shake your hand. Why you gotta go there with it? Who? You don't even have the courage to show your face telling us all your ideas about stealing other people's data

and you can't even, okay, there he there is apparently this is a thing already internal cardiac monitors yeah yeah I think so implantable loop recorders put them in your heart because they just run on like super super long yeah life batteries I guess but but this the cool thing about it is that you're doing networking and power just over the skin so you just have like a little pack on your wrist like where a watch would be and it could just power and communicate as almost like have like a little pack on your wrist, like where a watch would be, and it could just power and communicate as almost like a smart home hub, like a smart body hub. What if it's in your back pocket,

and then you just sit down on a wireless charging chair? Whoa. Yeah. Blood charging. Whoa. I mean, that would probably be actually a really good idea. So I'm sticking with that. Is that like a call penalty? Like if they the center gets Attacked the quarterback

runs into the center What are we talking about Anyways Steam moving on yeah steam recording super cool feature Uh, anyways, um... Steam. Moving on, yeah. Steam Recording, super cool feature. Steam has officially launched built-in game recording, which allows gamers to record their sessions without using a second app.

Players can start a recording manually or set it to start automatically. And there are likewise options to restrict the length, quality, and storage space that Steam can use. These settings can be configured differently for each game. However, the accessibility of these recording options and the broader audience of Steam users might cause problems for users who are less familiar with things like SSD degradation.

As pointed out by u slash crass underscore spec tech hell, Steam game recording has a max write rate of 50 megabits per second, around 22.5 gigabytes per hour. If it was used regularly at the highest settings, this could cause significant SSD degradation over time. Notably, the highest write quality on Nvidia's own recording feature maxes out at 150 megabits per second, which is significantly higher, but is also something that you generally, is generally a little more tech savvy to access rather than just what you know your kids using the family computer are going to be able to figure out how to configure. Our discussion question is, is this a realistic concern for most people? And I'm of kind of two minds on this. On the one hand, yes, this will compare to how the

average user is expected to use their PC and what SSD makers have been targeting over the last 10 years with the move from SLC to MLC to TLC to QLC to even PLC flash with far far less endurance as we as we move Yeah to each new generation, but higher capacity meaning that you're less likely to overwrite it, but then now that we're going to overwrite it, we've been building toward, we've been building products for this paradigm where people are like kind of occasionally copying some footage or downloading a new game, but generally speaking are barely even touching

their drive. Which is pretty accurate for the most part. For rights, yeah. And then we're adding, we're throwing this into the mix. I think, I do think that people who didn't think they needed a premium drive with better endurance are going to suddenly find out, oh, I do need a premium drive with better endurance. However, the other side of me wants to point out that it's been studied a couple of times,

the small sample sizes, unfortunately, so I don't know how reliable and how trustworthy it is, but it's been looked at a couple of times by, I forget which publications have done it, where they've done endurance tests on SSDs and found that in general they actually last way longer than what they're rated for. Pretty good, yeah. So... I also, when I use ShadowPlay, I just write to my hard drive. Sorry, just gotta move my leg.

There we go. Yeah, you should probably just use a hard drive for this. In a NAS, ideally. But most people don't have a NAS. I mean, there really hasn't been a DIY NAS software that is easy enough to use that... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That voice is Dan's like, I am screaming inside. I am also dying. Oh, it's fine.

It's all of my voices. Sure, let's go. Dan's switching it over. Pushing the buttons. All right. We got a lot of rich messages today. Oh, not too too many. Too many, I think we're doing pretty okay.

Let's see. Heyo, DLL. Notice the Apple Watch accompanying the switch to iPhone. Linus, what do you think of it so far? Considering how amped I was on smartwatches at the start, like I loved my Pebble, I have just kind of completely fallen out of love with them. And maybe it's because the product category sort of moved away from me. Maybe it's because I moved away from the product category. It feels like at the beginning, they were about getting notifications without taking your phone out of your pocket and in some cases, as they got a little bit more sophisticated,

interacting with those notifications to make them go away. And you can still do that, like being able to get a text while I'm on the court at the gym or something like that and fire back a quick message. It's fine, it's good. But all the- Are you trying to do too much? All the functionality that they've added since then around telling me to stand up,

sure, yeah, I can't right now. I'm in the middle of podcast recording. It doesn't have the awareness To just make the the cameras the table everything we should just make everything stand Yeah, everything every 45 minutes sure yeah, yeah, let me get let me get right on hell. Yeah So all this all this extra stuff that they've added the health tracking it doesn't it's not meaningful to me I mean when I'm a senior citizen, and'm worried about, you know, fall detection or whatever else, yeah, maybe. Maybe I'll be more, more interested in something like that, but it- The health tracking that especially Apple's been doing is really cool.

Yeah, it's really cool. I think- Not necessarily relevant. I think Plouffe made a really good point in his script where we were talking about their most recent event, where he was like, yeah, it's funny how the older Tim Apple gets the The more seniors health tracking makes its way into their products. It's also aging generation of absolutely Western countries absolutely the most affluent generation in the United States is the baby boomers and they are They're getting older. They be old. They're getting older. Yeah. So, it's nice to be able to tell the time, quickly and conveniently on my wrist.

You can do that with a lot of things. I don't like having to charge it every day. That's a downer. You notice I'm not wearing it today. I've just forgot to put it on. And I didn't notice until someone asked me what time it was. That was really the only... I don't notice until someone asked me what time it was that was really the only I? Don't maybe part of it is that since I first got a smartwatch

I just am like on my phone a lot more and that that's that part. That's probably a bad thing maybe I should get in the habit of Using my watch to interact with notifications It got you off your phone more often which reduced the total phone and watch usage time then I think that there's value there. Yeah. But if you're just replacing phone time with watch time one-to-one I don't see value there personally. I don't use any of the other apps like to me the whole like I am exercising right now this is the type of exercise I'm doing

Until you can just tell that I'm exercising with all of your advanced sophisticated measures and sensors and everything What are we even doing here like I it's it to me. It's like counting calories like I'm I'm Logging the thing that I'm eating and and that's really useful for a lot of people depending on Say that what your goals are like 100% Yeah, a hundred percent depending on your goals that has a ton of value for me it has I am not even close dude I Can go take something out of my freezer and think okay?

I need to go into my food checklist app and I need to update the inventory in the freezer and by the time I have put it down on the counter. I have completely forgotten that I needed to do that Expecting me to count calories or remember to like a log that I'm about to start exercise It's not gonna happen the only way I was not gonna have able to count calories was when I had Preplanned what I was gonna eat for the entire day and I never deviated because then it was like okay, well I Could put in my calories for the next week, you know like it's it's figured out already Someone says they really like it for sleep tracking

Dude, if I have to the only way that I can remember to charge something is if it's overnight. So, yeah. There's people at work here that have an Apple Watch charger on their desk, so they'll take it off and they'll put it on the charger so that they can use it for sleep tracking. I would leave my watch at work every other day. 100%.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. There's absolutely no way that it would make it home five out of five days in a week. I'd probably leave it at your house half the time I visit you. Oh yeah, there's absolutely no way that it would make it home five out of five days in a week I'd probably leave it at your house half the time. I visit you. Oh, yeah Dude, you would leave your keys at my house if you were able to leave without them like yeah hundred percent That would be a hilarious troll sometimes you just leave your key in your car And then just like see if you leave without your keys cuz I bet you would mm-hmm probably

All right, what else we got? Okay, let's see. Archive. Hey, DLL, my friends and I have a long-running tradition during a LAN party on Black Friday every year. What are some of your favorite memories, games, and food to have at a LAN party? VanGelie says, new watch charges so fast, I literally only put it on the charger when I shower and otherwise wear it 24-7.

Bold of you to assume I shower every day. Only exercise days, which is at least every, it's about two out of every three days. So I'm not a complete, I'm not a complete like, barbarian or whatever but uh, yeah, no. My life is not routine enough for anything that doesn't fit in the very limited routines that I can manage. Starcat1 says, shower everyday man. You know you don't have to, right? Just, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. And it's totally fine to shower every day, but you also like don't have to. Or maybe you do,

which is fine. I'm not judging. Yeah. For me, honestly, it depends how stressed I get. Oh, stress sweat? Stinks. Oh, mine is. I'm sure everyone says, but I only really have experience with mine. Mine is brutal, dude. If I'm just chilling, it's not a big deal.

Slather on another layer of deodorant. Yeah, like, it honestly doesn't really matter. If I have some like really serious conversations, boy, I need to shower. Like, it's not an option past a certain point. Yeah. Oh man. Lan. Lan memories games and food. Dude, I think it was like COD 2, which I had never played. I got a bunch of copies of it from work because there was like a COD 2 like GPU bundle and we didn't move through them all. I was like, can I have some of these discs? They were like, okay. So I showed up at this land

and I had like eight copies of COD2 and we completely lost track of whatever the objective was supposed to be and we started playing this like King of the Hill except it was like at the very top of this water tower and there was like over half a dozen of us so it was functionally impossible to get to the top of it. I think it happened that way because someone got up there unnoticed at some point in the match and just started like spawn sniping everybody.

And we're like, what the heck? That's a good spot, I won it. And it just devolved into the longest, like completely, there's no score keeping because it wasn't part of the game mode of the game, but just the longest, most ridiculously impossible King of the Hill match that I've ever participated in. Custom goals, custom rules, all that kind of stuff, those are always like the best way to play games.

It's more fun. My favorite land memory, and I'm not even going to remember it correctly because it was from so long ago, but my birthdays when I was in high school were always land parties at my parents' house. And one year we went really hard on Halo 2 custom rules versus, and if I remember correctly, it was a birthday party, so we tried to go a little bit overboard and we had people bring like couches and TVs and stuff from their houses. And we put, I think I'm getting this right, I could be wrong, I think this is how it worked. I think we had two TVs and two couches in the garage and two TVs and two couches inside

and there was one team inside and one team outside and we had a tournament of Halo 2 on one particular map that I'm not going to remember the name of and it was either like swords and shotguns or I feel like it was swords and rockets but I feel like we played more swords and shotguns but I don't know I don't remember why I'm thinking rocket but it came to it was 49 49 there was two players alive and it came to, it was 49-49. There was two players alive. And it came down to the, there was one with a sword and one with whatever the other weapon was. I think it was a rocket. And they both attacked at the same time. No way, no way, no way.

And nobody knew who won the game until the score screen came up. No way. And the house just exploded. It was crazy. It was so cool. It was so like, oh man, like, ugh. It was great. It was really, it was so cool. It was so like oh man like It was great. It was really it was very fun I'm like even every part of that land those types of lands are fun because like people are showing up with Couches in the backs of their like their parents van yeah, and their parents are like I don't even understand what's happening

But I mean at least you're not like doing drugs or something so fine And then we're like finding ways to to network these these two Xboxes together, and we're not only planning on playing Xbox We also have another network going on for all these computers And we're all learning how this stuff works buying switches for NCX doing whatever getting stuff going away the whole thing's just super fun I don't know those were those were good times I feel like kids are kind of missing out on that my My son was playing rocket league with one of his friends

And I was like hey, you never invite me to play games. He was like okay. Yeah, my dad's joining us They're like okay sure whatever we'll carry you know how bad. I am at rocket league. I did one useful thing though Would you do I don't know I remember I like hit it somewhere that was useful and then we scored okay Don't worry about it anyway the point is His friend pulled off. What's it called a, the point is, his friend pulled off, what's it called, a reset or something like that. A flip reset? Sure. Yeah, so he... You touch your wheels to the puck while it's in the air and then you get another jump. I'm assuming that's what happened.

So it was with the ball. Right, I placed no day. It's fine. Anyway, the point is you have to touch all four wheels to the ball while you're in the air and then you get another flip while you're in the air, which is beneficial in some way or something. And he was really excited about pulling it off or whatever. And he was sitting in his house by himself. And we were on a Discord call and so you know that was cool But like it's cool. It's not the same. It's different Yeah, I feel like

Things get diluted right and like you think it's the same and a lot of people don't do LAN parties anymore because they're like Oh, we just play over the internet stuff, but it's not And no one can cheat in person which Man is such a problem online now. Oh, you can, but it's like, it's a lot harder. Not with friends. Like you can, but you won't.

But like, I mean, that's, yeah. And there's even some fun in that because then, I don't know, I find the setup of this type of stuff interesting. I know not everyone would, but like the whole idea of being in the garage and stuff was there is no screen peeking. To screen peek, you'd have to run through the house, like it's not happening. But you can still hear each other. If you look, the door is propped open so you can see each other, but the screens are this way to each other, right?

So you can't see the screens, but you can yell at each other and do whatever. Yeah, it's just good times. Yeah. All right. Hey, DLL, how's your day going? It's been a long week. It's been a week. When and what are your plans for bonus spin items? I have so many stickers. Yes, I could just get more sticks. Hope you feel better soon, Linus. I don't know. I think we want to do some like little vinyl figures at one point. I know we're gonna do more pins.

Vinyl figures? Um, honestly Sarah would know this so much better than me. Maybe next time ask when she does like a design stream or something like that. Because she's in the know when it comes to all of that. Are you asking her now? Should I move on? No, no, I'm, Sarah's off work. Hey, LLD from Australia. Any thoughts on the 9800X3D not being in stock anywhere?

Was the release rushed in your opinion? Not nearly as rushed as Core Ultra 200 series, but I feel like every product release gets kind of crunched and rushed to a certain extent. At a certain point you have to, you're working with retail partners, you're working with all these other people, there has to be a certain point in time when you launch the thing. Yeah, there's deadlines and I mean. It's easier to not have those types of deadlines with things like independent game launches

because you set the date. But in this situation, like there's a lot of moving pieces, you're screwing a lot of different people over if you move your date back. So yeah, or forward or wherever like changing anything really disrupts the plans and distributors and retailers and in such a globalized world, right? There's always a time zone where it's highly problematic for someone to be having to deal with this right now. There's always a time zone where it's highly problematic for someone to be having to deal with this right now Hey dll now that you have some new cats when can we expect the next linus cat tips video I uploaded a short for some reason I was feeling just inspired to and one of them like grabbed my feet from under the bed and I was like that'd be funny

And then they didn't really do it the same way when I turned on the camera and then I was like Ah, this wasn't really worth it. So I didn't bother doing anymore That's where i'm at on that. Fair enough. Yeah. Hey, DLL, have you heard about the iPhone users having all their notes deleted after accepting iCloud's new terms of service? I had six months of important notes not backed up due to my five gigs of iCloud being full. Wow.

I have not heard. But hey, it just works Dude, I feel like I'm gonna make some enemies with my iOS 18 slash iPhone 16. I know you will video I Am I am certain because man I Like there's one point where I'm just like I think the next time someone tells me it's magic it just works in whatever I Don't know if I'll be able to help it. I might just laugh in their face like I it's just it's such a it's such a Galactically stupid thing to say at this point And I'm not saying that Android is perfect and just works, and I'm not saying Windows is perfect and just works

I'm saying they're all trash. They're all human. They're all full of bugs and problems like let's just let's just not pretend that's that's it let's not pretend that because someone says it so that it must be thusly like it that's not how things work if something something like, and I think the thing that I was going off on was the way to sign in to your Google account on an iPhone. Which I know how to do and and we've talked about and I figured out, but it is just to say that that's intuitive good design is just so utterly incorrect. But I just, I don't really, we're clearly not living on the same planet speaking the same language.

So I don't even know how to talk to you. Like if you think that going into the Apple Mail app in order to sign into your Google account system wide is intuitive or good design. It's just not, it just isn't. And it's funny, because I was reflecting on it some more and you know how the Settings app is where it used to be? Before that, if I recall correctly, it actually used to be in the initial setup wizard.

Am I remembering incorrectly? Because I seem to recall that it used to be... I think that was the case on Android. Oh, it's definitely the case on Android. It's still the case on Android. But I recall seeing that like Google, Microsoft, that interface right when you are setting up the phone initially. Yeah, no, it was, yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, people are saying yes. Yeah, Maldar the first says, wait, do they not just have an account section and settings? No, they do not. It is not there. And the people that are like, well, you're just used to Android. No, Apple used to to have it you could be used to literally any

Other phone and that's where it should be Yes, yes, they do not have it and yes that is on purpose you guys So so whenever people say to me yeah Apple's just like it's more intuitive They're just Wrong apples design can be wrong and wrong. Apple's design can be wrong. And there's a lot of things they did really well. Intuitive is subjective though, isn't it? Because it could be intuitive to a different person who has different expectations and different approaches.

But you can measure these things. So one of the ways that I measured this one was I checked the number of ratings on the App Store for the first party Gmail app and the first party Google Calendar app. Because if you'll recall, what I wanted to do was I wanted to use my Gmail app and I wanted to use Apple's Calendar app because I wanted to try it. I don't actually have any attachment to Apple's Calendar app, but I wanted to try it out. But what I'm not interested in using is Apple's Mail app. I don't like it. I've never liked it. I prefer to just use the Gmail app. And what I found was that the Google Gmail app had 2.2 million ratings on the app

store. The Google Calendar app had like a hundred thousand. So what I can tell you objectively is that my setup where I wanted to roll the Gmail app and Apple's own Calendar app is clearly a thing that people are doing. 20 times the download rate of the Gmail app versus the Google Calendar app. So, the number of people replacing their email client on the iPhone compared to the number of people replacing their Calendar client with Google's first party alternatives, or third party alternatives rather. Yeah, but email is something that's like more important.

It's less replaceable than calendar because other people have your contact. No, no. All I'm saying is, it wasn't intuitive for me necessarily, and neither would it necessarily be for a lot of people to open up Apple's mail app and use that. Because clearly, lots of people don't use it. They use the Google one. And clearly, not all of those people

also replaced the Google Calendar app. They wanna do exactly what I wanted to do, use the Gmail app and the Apple Calendar app. Right. 20 times as many ratings. They want to do exactly what I wanted to do use the Gmail app and the Apple calendar app right 20 times as many ratings so and you and you can't You can't do what you sign. Oh you can but if you sign into the Gmail app it doesn't sign you in system-wide In order to sign your Google account in on an iPhone you have to launch Apple's mail app and sign into your Gmail there. Okay. There's nowhere else to do it. What is the system? What other things are...

Handyman's saying this isn't true. What other things are you trying to have logged in, I guess? Well, I want my contacts to sync. I want my calendar to sync. I want my Google account signed in. So contacts to sync for things like your phone? Yeah. You can do it in the settings. No, you can't. Here, it is in my pocket. There's a bunch of different people saying it.

Right now. I think this is going to be the biggest problem with the video. You're almost going to have to have an unlisted companion video. That goes over like... Just like like actually it really is this stupid here's the here's the defense minus cam settings here we go right all right so here is yep there we. Just making sure there's nothing particularly. Okay. Here we go. You know here is settings accounts No third party accounts just iCloud just sign in with Apple

Nothing else. Here's the rest of the settings at settings Apple account iCloud mail That's the same thing isn't it? There is, but it's not you can't sign into gmail there. Settings Apple account, iCloud mail. But I don't use iCloud. Settings, apps, calendar accounts. Settings. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Settings, apps. Apps? where's that okay calendar? Right below calculator yeah Are you kidding me there's a Google button Should we like go hold on a second hold a second. Is your argument that that's intuitive? To add an account to that app?

If you're an iOS user and it's worked that way for 10 years, like, yeah. But it didn't used to. How did it used to? I don't, I never, I've never once mainlined an iPhone. There used to be in settings an accounts parent menu. A handyman, I don't think he's saying that you didn't show him two weeks ago.

He's saying that that doesn't seem intuitive. I'm saying it's not intuitive. So we will have to do. Can you not get there in the app or something? Or like what's the- No, you can't. That you definitely cannot. So that feels unintuitive to me. You can get there in the mail app, not in the calendar app. But if I'm an iOS user, am I used to going to that settings

page to do things like that? So here's what happens. Here's what happens when you open mail and you aren't signed in You are prompted to sign in so that thing that we got on the other page yes Here's what happens if you open up the first party calendar app and you are not signed in Yeah, so I'm assuming it just uses like a local account Which again this is what I was kind of trying to point out earlier is like... Add calendar, nope, nothing there. Add, nope, that's an event. But people are a little bit more... is temporal the right word? Like calendars are kind of whatever compared to an email account. Sure, but so hold on.

But the part you're missing is I'm signing into an email, but I'm using the Gmail app. I don't want to use Apple's mail app. Yeah, but like I'm not interested in it. I don't necessarily, if I sign into my Microsoft account on my phone, I don't necessarily want to import my Microsoft calendar into my calendar's app. No, but you can be prompted what you do or don't want to sync when you add an account. Agree, but does it work that way? Like what's, is there a default calendar app on... It would be the Google Calendar on Android. Android, yeah. I don't know that it asks you if you want your Microsoft calendar stuff in here. Add another account. Can I add a non Microsoft account this way checking info?

To do Luke students stuff. He's cooking. It's a Google it immediately assumes a Google account manage accounts on this device So that should that should bring you to where they're gonna bring any kind of you want settings yes, but it does It's not actually it's not calendar specific It's just like everything. No, but you would go in your calendar app and you would tell it which calendars you want to sync I'm in my calendar app though and Add another account is just Google accounts and Then I have manage accounts which just brings me to all general

sorry what's the question though it's if there's no there's no prompt to add the Microsoft account you're saying you're saying it would be more intuitive if there's a prompt I'm saying I don't think there's a prompt on Android if there's a prompt to add what though the Microsoft account oh the Microsoft can't no no I would say a Apple thing, but I don't have one of those so I can't no no I expected account management the place I expected to find account management was Under my name here at the top sure oh whoops

I'm gonna figure this out camel knee there we go the place I would expect to find it is under my name here at the top where my Apple account and my iCloud is. I would expect to maybe find all of my accounts there. I might expect to find it under accounts, like under general accessibility, Siri know all my accounts here Those are places where I would expect to find system wide accounts that I log into that work across multiple apps What I wouldn't expect is for the mail the default mail and the default calendar app to operate completely different ways In terms of adding a new account So when I when I click on mail, it immediately prompts me,

hey, do you wanna sign in to one of these types of accounts? And we've got important thing, important account types like AOL, for example, in there. When I go into the calendar one, it prompts me for nothing. So the only real point that I have with the calendar versus mail one is that they behave completely different ways. After I've already gone into my settings menu

and what would be the most intuitive settings place for me. Different ways is the unintuitive portion. After I've already gone into the settings and gone, okay, where the devil do I sign into my bloody Google account? Yeah, I'm just saying it's not prompting you for any other accounts on on Android either Rysaw says it was much better in iOS 17 They created the new apps menu at the bottom of settings in iOS 18 if I recall correctly the whole finding finding settings

under apps has been a thing for a really long time. Like, man, I forget, there was something years ago that I was trying to figure out how the heck to do. And it turns out that it was like, oh, was I trying to change something on the camera or something? to do and it turns out that it was like, oh you know, well was it that was it something was I trying to change something on the camera or something? I forget what it was but I had to dig into apps in order to change something that that seemed like it would be sort of fundamental to the system. I know sorry I know. So the goofy like hiding settings in under apps thing even though

they are system-wide and not necessarily specific to that particular app that's not new but I don't know to your point I haven't used iOS 17 so I don't know what they have or haven't moved between them. I think you just think that they should be which is fine. Well if they affect more than one app. Yeah but that doesn't mean they're system-wide.

It means they affect, it means they aren't that app. That setting is, are you saying one't mean they're system-wide. It means they aren't that app. That setting is, are you saying one setting is changing things system-wide? No, I'm saying when you log into a Google account. Yeah, but I don't think you're logging into a system-wide account on iPhone. Okay, well, sorry, we're using the term system-wide

very differently. What I'm saying is that you are logged into an account that is inherently logged in the second you open up another supported app that uses that same login. If I log into my mail account, immediately my calendars will sync, my contacts will sync.

So it's authenticated and all that, okay, okay, okay. So that's what doesn't make sense to me. Why I have to open Apple's mail account to do that, or to your guys' point, I have to go dig into apps find something that happens to be Google will Chrome work no Chrome doesn't work I can't log into my Google account in Chrome brilliant I'll have to find a different one Doc's Doc's doesn't work Doc's doesn't have the login

Drive maybe drive The login for what though for my Google account I am not logged into it But like so but if I go to mail if I go to hold on Mail now I can log in my Google account and It will work with those other things can you can you view outlook through the gmail app? I don't use outlook So I don't know Yeah, like I don't know if maybe you can I don't know if you can add Third-party apps to the the gmail account so I think the fact that theirs is clunky What apparently you can really you can add outlook to the

Gmail account. Oh, oh, wait. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I don't have it set up that way. Yeah, yeah. No, the Gmail, the Gmail app is just a mail client multifunction mail. Yep. Yeah, 100% like what I'm looking at right now is if I don't want to show you guys sorry, if I go add an account, yes, this will eventually load and it's it's only Google accounts. Yeah. So, okay, fine. If I go manage accounts on this device,

it brings me to password, pass keys and auto-fill and it doesn't bring up things that could sync. That's not very intuitive either. And if I use that phone, then I would say that that's trash and that's not intuitive. Yeah, okay. So my point is not that Android is better.

Yeah. My point is not that Android is better. Yeah. My point is that that is terrible and is not intuitive. If I wanted to log in an account, if I had never touched an Android phone or an iPhone before, and I wanted to get my Google calendar, and that was the first thing that I wanted to do. Where do I go from here? How would I do it from here? There is literally no way to be prompted to sign into some other type of account.

Literally no way. I'm not gonna lie, I'm immediately lost because I feel so lost the second I touch an iPhone. That's not an iPhone problem, that's a me problem. Yeah, I would personally like there to be a setting in the app somewhere. I generally like it when I can fully operate things from within the app. I don't like it when I have to go to external settings on anything, whether that's a desktop device, any form of phone, whatever, it doesn't matter.

So you just fundamentally don't understand how this is working. It's not a system-wide account. What you're saying is false, I believe. If I want my calendar to sync, I have to sign in to the mail app. Really? Yes. Now, I was shown that other way. I can also go into settings. Right. So I can also go into settings.

Apps. Calendar. And I can add a calendar account here. Does not go through the mail app, but it's still a lot of clicks clunky. That's what you're saying. And it was a very different interface compared to when I went to the mail app, and I was immediately prompted to sign into my Gmail. So if you open mail first, the way that you're being trained to interact with the phone is

not the same as when you open the calendar app. Correct. Yeah. Settings, apps, calendar, accounts make sense to me though. It does make sense to me too, but his point is that when you open the mail app, another first party app that is highly related to calendar, I would say, it doesn't work the same way. Yeah.

So he just, just in case you didn't see that, he clicked on the mail app. He's not currently signed into anything. So it immediately prompts him to log into stuff that, he clicked on the mail app, he's not currently signed into anything, so it immediately prompts him to log into stuff. When he clicks on the calendar app, there is no prompt. Now, I have an iCloud account, because you have to sign into an iCloud account in order to like sign into the phone in order to set up the phone as far as I know.

Can you set it up without an Apple account? Maybe you can, I've never tried. So that's the calendars that it's pulling. It's pulling like ancient Apple calendars open open calendar I saw this button earlier, but I didn't really think about it open calendar click on Go away Click on calendars at the bottom calendars at the bottom and then I think I saw there's like add calendar. Yeah. Yep at the bottom. And then I think I saw those like add calendar. Yeah. Yep. Nope. At holiday calendar, at subscription calendar, and family calendar. What's just add

calendar? What's add calendar again? So is it fixed on iCloud? Can you click the thing that says iCloud? Yeah, I don't know guys. I don't know what to tell you. A calendar can be local to your vice only. Yeah I pointed that out earlier. Mail is not just local. Yeah yeah yeah. I don't know I get why.

I understand what Linus is saying. I also get why it might not work that way I would like that add a calendar thing that we just did it literally shows an account line That's like it's it says account, and then there's a great out text on the side This is iCloud. It was like if that just was able to be whatever you wanted then or it opened a prompt to Log into another account. Yeah, sure whatever whatever yeah that's what I would try to do if I wanted to log into my calendar app I would go to my calendar app and this is exactly what

I tried to do I went into my calendar app stop it I went into my calendar app I went to calendars I went to add calendar pretty intuitive I went to add calendar intuitive and I was like and now, I went to add calendar. Pretty intuitive. I went to add calendar. Pretty intuitive. And I was like. And now there's, yeah. Now what? Which it feels broken almost.

There's a line that says account, and then on the right it's grayed out and says iCalendar, and he can't interact with it at all. What's up with that? That seems weird. Is something wrong? No. Set up Google in settings, mail,

then turn on everything. Then in calendar, tap on the word calendar at the bottom and add it there. Which is exactly what I've been trying to say. So that makes it a global account if you do it that way? Well, not global account, but it makes it so that your Google crap will sync. Yeah, see, that's wacky.

I'm sorry, but that is You're right. I missed something It actually doesn't change my point at all That these two systems be a very such a bloodbath of it. Yeah very differently from each other You should do like oh man it might be brutal it might suck yeah I think it'd be kind of fun if you did a stream like Whatever the duration of the video is after the video launches. Yeah, you start a live stream and Then just basically do this

That'd be kind of fun actually Real time the arm actually comments You're pissed about apple? Fight me live, bruh. Like, I don't know, it'd be kind of interesting. Thank you, Mikayo. Everyone saying he's wrong is nitpicking the minutiae and missing the entire actual point. Missing the forest for the trees as it were. You guys, like what do you want me to say? You guys are right that I didn't think to go digging into

a submenu of a submenu of a submenu instead of just opening the app and signing in the way that I did in the other one. I would hope. That's what, that's the problem. Skill issue. To sign into mail, I just open the mail app and I sign into mail, which will also allow me to sync my contacts

and my calendars and my Google stuff that I need for work. If I want to sign into calendar I open calendar and it's a complete dead end. Handyman saying because on iPhone all settings are expected to be under settings apps that's just Apple's approach We don't like it, but it's their way of doing it. Yeah There's tons of settings that are not what happens when they're not matter Tim said does it matter that Apple's guide on this explains it? Well, and I found it quick. I think good documentation matters, and then he linked it I don't think you should need a guide for logging into your I think needing a guide

Inherently means it's not intuitive if we're using the word intuitive for what it's supposed to mean. Yeah, so the overly defensive line is here, but the intuitive using or based on what one feels to be true even without without conscious reasoning so needing to look up a guide automatically yeah man anything to do with iOS man is it's I don't know it's a spicy it's just her it's a really funny thing because I I say look I I think hot dogs are unintuitive and people go hamburgers are so much less unintuitive Linus loves hamburgers. The ingredients slide around. I think they're both unintuitive. I think there's problems with both and I think to make this argument that this is good design is just,

like I don't really know what to tell you. If I can, and you say, look, it's the Apple way that the settings for it are in the apps part of the settings menu. OK, so is the account that you're logged into a setting. Yes or no. I think I would generally think so. Sure. So then for the mail app, it should be in the settings of the mail app. It should not prompt me when I open it, then. It might even be useful, in my opinion, to make it so that. I think some apps do work that way, maybe not in the Apple ecosystem, but if it was like,

we see you're not signed in, press this button to go to the settings and it like opens the settings app and like makes a little bit of a display of like sure but it doesn't do that. Yeah. And that's the problem. Avon Fox says it's not that it's that you say it's trash because it's not for how your brain works is insulting for people to people for whom it is when something when when UI or UX is inconsistent that's bad that's measurably that's measurably bad that's's not the goal. And because we're used to something does not mean that it's good. And when I say something's bad, it's not personal.

The fact that you're used to it or you like it, it's not personal. It's literally my job to point out things that are unintuitive or that aren't good about technology. Something that I will never understand though. And this is again coming from Android brain because it's the only thing I've used. My mom always struggled with Android. She would find ways to email me text messages.

Wow, that's kind of impressive. There's weird like, no, but she could not send me a normal text message. I would just receive emails that were text messages. And like, I don't, I've never actually even done that. Yeah. Like, it's, it's weird. It's not a normal email. It's not, you know, she sent an email with text in it.

No, it's a text message in an email. Right, like as an attachment. Yeah, it's like, it was very odd. it was years ago, but it was very weird. And she had lots of other crazy weird problems with her Android phone and then she was working in the movie industry for a while. Yeah. And they had like standardized on some iOS stuff, I don't know what it was. So she needed an iPhone, she got an iPhone instantly. Perfect. I remember how our user, no issues. I remember you telling me about Yeah, so she needed an iPhone. She got an iPhone instantly perfect Remember our user no issues I remember you telling me about this because to her the whole like like like throwing away an app was just like

Super intuitive instant. Yeah, no thoughts Immediately works like the most intuitive thing you could ever imagine. Yeah, and then I try to go do something on her phone I'm like, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know what's happening. I set up my aunt with an iPhone years ago, because basically I didn't want to coach her on how to use her phone. And it's been very painless. It works, so like, they got something going on.

So people are pointing out things that are just, like I don't really, oh man. I don't really I don't really know what to say to you So Zen Thoksen says mail prompts you because it has nothing to load if you aren't signed in But okay, please my problem was never that mail prompted me to sign in you like that part of anything. That's Good. Yeah. My problem was that when I did the same behavior, the same user behavior, and I opened my calendar, it did not prompt me to log in,

and had absolutely no way for me to log in, and no breadcrumb trail for me to follow to log in. Nothing. If we agree that the account you're logged into is a setting and if we agree that Apple puts settings under Settings, Apps, and the name of the app, then we agree that the mail account that we log in should be there, but only there, with no way to link to it from the app itself. But that is not the case.

Therefore, the mail app follows a different set of rules from the calendar app. Guys! Are we there yet? Did we get there? Nitex or NIDX, I don't know. Yeah. I think it's hubris to not ever look for help in the modern era and has good docs. And he's talking about the fact that there's a good doc on how to do this. One of the problems that you guys are, some of you guys are really struggling with is the word intuitive.

If he has to look up a help doc for something, it is not intuitive to him. Flat out. There's no other interpretation of that. If he has to look up a help doc for something, it is not intuitive for him. Also, I did figure it out. I figured out to log into the mail app. That's not the problem. Oh boy. Cape says, when will you have a video criticizing Android? These had many... tons. It's amazing. For years, for many years.

It's amazing the selective... the selective perception that people have. But you're insulting my tribe, Linus. Perception that people have you're insulting my my tribe This entire video was dunking on the deplorable state of AOSP Yeah, that might not have been the best video example to bring up. It was two months ago I I I understand that not everyone agrees with the premise of the video. Yeah But the premise of the video was what the premise of the video was. You guys aren't wrong. That is stock Android. It is stock Android, whether you like it or not.

I just don't know how applicable it is because it doesn't apply to anybody. But that was our point. Yeah. Our point was that stock Android's kind of dead, and we discussed some of the reasons that it's kind of dead. For users, yeah. Yes. Let's see.

Let's see. I'm trying to remember because I'm pretty sure we did I'm pretty sure we've done rant style videos on both Ios and Android or have we only done you know what no we haven't We did I really wonder if you should somehow. I don't know how you would do this. Is the video already shot? Partially. I wonder if you should somehow get like a subset of...

You know those videos that are trending right now? Ten ways iPhones are just better. They put... Yeah, six years ago. There you go. They have like somebody in a chair with a table and another chair across from it in the middle of a room and then a circle of people around it. And then it's like-

And with Android it's just better. All those people in the circle versus one person in the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's already on the calendar. Oh, okay. So I feel like you should like basically get a subset of like Apple fans. I can think of one. T3 Theo.

Oh, we could definitely find some. And then give them your talking points for the video and then fight their talking points like in the video because I i've I don't know. Honestly, that probably won't even help anything No, it won't help. It won't help anything luke. I mean the fact that people don't think I criticize android is all that you really need to know about the sort of selection bias of um is all that you really need to know about the sort of selection bias of the perception of my takes on these things. I have been hyper critical of Windows, Android, iOS, Mac OS. Basically, like I said, my entire job is looking at things and going, this is what could be better about them.

Like I said, my entire job is looking at things and going this is what could be better about them I Also highlight things I really like I just I'm just trying to take because I know this Obviously this video is gonna be a bloodbath. So I'm trying to figure out like how do we how do we? How do we pull all the iron out of it and make a sword? How do we like how do we do something cool with that, basically? So there's the stream that starts the total duration of the video after the video goes live. There's this, I don't know, picking five Apple creators

and then having them fight you on it or something. Change my mind style. I don't know. I think that'd be kind of fun. Yeah, because especially like it could even be genuinely helpful because as long as people come in with like an understanding that you might end up agreeing to disagree, then it's probably just going to be like a good conversation. I don't know. Separate what his personal opinion in fact. The whole conversation we're having right now is that that seems to be a very difficult thing. Like I'm not going against Avon Fox here to be clear,

but that seems to be a very difficult thing with a lot of topics and this is one of them for sure. This is definitely one of them, which is just baffling to me because- So weird. At the end of the day, if you ripped my Android phone out of my hands, I'd use an iPhone.

Yeah. There'd be things that bother me about it, just like there are things that bother me If you ripped my Android phone out of my hands, I'd use an iPhone. Yeah, like I There would be things that bother me about it. Just like there are things that bother me about my Android phone Tacky the penguin says you're really straining for a gnat which is not an expression I've heard before but I think I kind of like it You're straining for a gnat if your biggest issue of iOS is how you sign into calendars. It isn't It's just not intuitive. Who said it was? And what I said was anyone who tells me that is intuitive,

I'm sorry, but I have to take exception. And then I laid out- Why would you take the biggest exception with this issue? I laid out- The only exception you have. In very clear, like, like the like in very clear mathematical terms why it's not intuitive and how the one app behaves differently from the other app. And if we accept this rule that the account were signed into is a setting and settings can only be here and are not linked to from the app, then the fact that one behaves one way and one behaves the other way is not compatible with each other. And that is not intuitive. And pretty easy to solve as well, actually.

Extremely easy to solve. It is so easy to solve and is so intuitive to solve. In fact, some people who opposed my criticism of Apple in the chat today were saying it's so simple you just click add calendar, but it wasn't there. Yeah. Why wasn't it there? I don't know. It seems like something's wrong because like why would that line even be there if you can't do anything with it? And that's where like my brain feels like something's wrong because like why would that line even be there if you can't do anything with it? and that's where like my brain feels like it's broken and maybe this is Android brain, I don't know because I Expected I would be able to click on that and it would list the various system-wide accounts that I have and there would be an account

Add account option and maybe it brings me out to some other menu and I have to add a system-wide account There's 10 trillion authentication steps and it puts its fingers into everything in my phone and whatever else. But like that's the flow that I would expect. I would not expect a line that is completely not interactable on a page of inputs. That's not something I would expect like ever,

to be honest. Apple was forced to make setting up mail as easy as Apple Mail. Great. Okay, so you're saying then that the fact that they work differently is because Apple put user hostile design That's not the argument you wanted to make. in their calendar app and left it there because they were never forced to change

Yikes Why like this And now they want to change the subject. Well, you've got to go to settings and then... There's the change subject app settings, which are only in settings. Yeah, but it's in the settings of the subject app, not in the global settings. And it's under a hamburger menu. I got another merch message for you here.

We're gonna be here all night and Luke's birds are gonna get sad. Blindness, do you wanna move on? We can keep talking about this if you want. Yeah, no, no, no, no. All right, cool. Blindness, I need to paint my house. It's only 1,150 square feet.

People tell me rolling looks worse than spraying. Is it worth buying a sprayer just for one time use? Or would rolling be okay? Get good at rolling. It's not that hard. Basically what it just comes down to is make sure you apply enough material and then kind of spread it out and level it out without Pressing too hard and then make sure that you've got a light on nearby because while it's wet It's really it kind of has a sheen and it's really easy to see any spots where you've got too much paint built up And it'll drip so make sure that you go right away And and kind of level those out without a ton of paint on the roller before moving on to the next area Level those out without a ton of paint on the roller before moving on to the next area

Cut in the edges first even though it's like tedious And it feels like you're not making any progress even though you're doing the vast majority of the work you're covering the minority of the wall and then and Then do your and then do your rolling eggs the yeah the remaining a lot easier Yeah, use a drop sheet no matter how careful you think you can be, use a drop sheet because as you roll the roller, it turns, obviously. And when you've got paint on it, it'll flick out little bits of paint.

So as long as you have a drop sheet down there, it'll grab everything. Why would you say using a spray is unintuitive? I, well, I'm not, yeah, sure. I'll tell you, paint sprayer operation is often not very intuitive sure No, I'm good. I will I will die on that hill The apple one honestly doesn't matter to me that much But I will die on the paint sprayer hill domain was like I just tagged me and said I hate you

Hey I hate you. Ha ha ha ha. Fair enough. Oh man. Okay. Okay. It's just. Ha ha ha ha. This is a hard end of the show. Been seeing the hoodie all week on tech and game linked and couldn't wait for it to drop.

The wife and I are suckers for cozy clothing. Linus, what's the next step in foldables that makes it mainstream? Aye, man. I don't know. For Apple to make one. And I don't think they will. It's been rumored for a long time.

They're clearly looking at the technology. They'd be crazy not to be looking at it, at the very least, but they obviously have a lot of work to do on making their sign-in process consistent from app to app, so they still haven't figured out how to make the camera But do only one developer so we got to give them time let them cook. Yeah currently. They're working on the calendar login We'll have to come back to a foldable compatibility. Yeah, they got they got t9 dialing nailed though nice. Yeah, good job Yeah, they did it deserves a promotion

Then we'll have zero deficit. I actually I actually love it. I love me. I dialing. It's so great the The way that Apple handles all your different phone call Accounts so to speak your different voice communication methods is Amazing here call me call me on the phone So I'm just very tempted to do Dofo said a good one, which was, uh, why are you saying that flat screens are so unintuitive? Okay, I'm calling.

Okay. Okay. Okay, so check this out. Yeah, there's no... Okay, so check this out. Yeah, there's no... Okay, so it comes up like this, right? And then if I want to answer, then I just hit my button or whatever. Okay, call me on Teams now. Be here for a half hour? No, no, it's cool. Ugh, I hate Teams so much. You really do. Okay, so this is cool. Watch this. How cool is that? The interface is really nice. Identical. That's genuinely very nice. And the best part is if I go into my call log

Just both? That's really nice. Yeah That's intuitive. That's very intuitive very intuitive Objectively that's intuitive. Genuinely very cool. I actually yeah, I am envious of that. It's especially nice on like for a carplay Because I don't have to think about What slightly different interface might come up like when I get a whatsapp call in the car on Android? It sucks if it like brings up a little thing things and whatever yes annoying yeah, so it's very very intuitive Okay, so Apple people are you okay now? Are you good that is genuinely like as someone who doesn't use iPhones that is sick, and I wish I had that are you good?

Are you okay? Are we are we over the calendar thing? Probably not. And how the settings are not in the same place, and that's objectively actually kind of stupid. But this isn't. This is not stupid. This is really good. Well, they are in the same place. Something that's not... No, they're not in the same place. Sort of.

They are, but they're also sometimes in a different place, but not. They are one time in a different place. Yeah. Which is confusing. Except when they aren't in that different place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, which is except when they aren't in that different place Yeah, which is not intuitive. Yeah, but this you know what makes something intuitive when someone who's never seen it before is like Whoa, that's really intuitive. Yeah That was pretty intuitive wasn't it? Yeah, and oh man not having to like bananas Yeah. And, oh man, not having to like- Bananas. Sometimes swipe left, and sometimes swipe out of a circle, and sometimes press a circle.

On Android, the call receiving like button, it's just different depending on how someone's calling you. It's incredibly stupid. We concede the calendar for the acknowledgement of call history. The Apple nation has accepted the diplomatic. So yeah, there's lots of things that I actually love about it that are objectively better. Dude, the dedicated voice input button at the bottom of the screen That's just always right there whenever you have your keyboard up And you don't have to long press and it does punctuation automatically which is super cool. There's there's tons of stuff That's really good

I've got one my Swift key one so I use a third-party keyboard right ah I've been using the same Third-party keyboard for so long. I don't remember what normal so I use a third-party keyboard and mine puts it way across the screen. But with Apple, regardless of whether you're using a first-party keyboard or a third-party keyboard, there's a voice input button that is independent of that and that sits under it. Sure. Which is really intuitive. Sure. There you go. We good? You got a bonus one. You got two things now. Yeah, you got a bonus. Oh

The Android nation something is their next topic. No, there's no other topic. This is it leave Intuitive that there isn't Carson asks in your experience does iCloud no no no I'm just kidding In your experience does iCloud no no no i'm just kidding Balance flow plane chat wants balance they want a negative thing I want to try one honestly i've never done it an ip. Yeah, I tried an iPad and then immediately threw it out It's gonna say I feel like you'd go insane. I would probably iPad. We're not talking about this. I love the high Shut up line Is the superior tab only with extreme custom firmware Linus says someone who practices three two backups, are M disks or blu-rays viable?

I bought some recently to backup, archive some important stuff, but now I'm wondering if my efforts are better spent elsewhere. Very viable. No, M disk is totally a different class of storage device and tape. Are you familiar with them? Yeah, but is he like actively using them? Well, you don't. They're just like an archival grade DVD essentially. Yeah. Yeah. So if you have like legal documents

or something like that, I would say out of tape, M-Disc, Blu-Ray, throw them on M-Discs. That's the way to go for something that you really want to not rot. I would trust that more than a hard drive in storage. That's actually been a big problem for data recovery companies, is some of those drives are getting so old that even if they're brand new and sitting in storage,

they're just like, they don't last forever. Whereas MDISCs I think are rated for like 1000 years or something like that. I don't know that they'd actually last that long, but they're rated for an extremely long time. What is tape rated for? Well it's more that it's more physically fragile. A disc has no moving parts. So I would be personally a little more comfortable with M-Disc. It's also like you can just get like

a fireproof file cabinet and just you could store a functionally unlimited number of M disks in that compared to like tapes. Yeah. And the tapes would store more, especially like more modern tape formats. But if you're using legal documents. Yeah, then it's purely archival. Tiny files.

Yeah, and yeah, they're small files anyway. And if you're going back to and and having having like like smaller amounts And just like a ton of them and putting labels on them versus like how much how much stuff Do you have to back up to this one tape before you finally put it in the archive? I'd almost be afraid to like Have a pending have enough data pending that I'm gonna fill up a tape before I can put it away Do you kind of get what I mean? Don't you need special software for tape as well that remembers where all the data is

on the tape itself? You need, oh, and you need an expensive reader and writer, whereas MDIS can be written on not quite commodity, but slightly more expensive burners. I didn't realize actually, I, yeah, I didn't realize quite how not as long tape lasted as I thought. Yeah, no, MDISK's sick. I thought just sick had a longer. I don't use it though Cool Just put it in an s3 bucket and let it be Amazon's problem to delete all your data

Is it is it is it is it not intuitive? It's not very intuitive. I just put everything on iCloud I mean if it lasts a long time, they should call it L-disc. Yeah. But then they might think it's, like, LinusDisc. Yeah. Might not be very intuitive. No. Dang.

I'm a small vintage tech YouTuber with 1,000 subs, and you guys are a big influence to me. They could call it LongDisc. Yeah. with 1000 subs and you guys are a big influence to me. They can call it long disc. Yeah, I mean that might be a little unintuitive though because if the association is also Linus then people could get a false Impression. I mean you don't know well. I kind of know All right, then. Avon box. What about average second? It's okay just moderately acceptable disk Okay, all right Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

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Contacts not using his own likeness his own face or anything like that Basically trying to pick a topic using I think it was like someone else's voice and doing a like image slash video with a voice Uh with voiceover thing. I don't know. I don't know how I would find this uh Ludwig Is someone already find the link holy crikey dude yeah that was fast thanks nerdy or nerd oh okay Ludwig I made a secret YouTube channel to prove it's not luck this was wildly successful this video is genuinely super interesting that talks about topic selection. He talked about how he was able to promote it. So like he wrote this video.

The title is really good. How Adore Made This Man A Million Dollars. Like pretty clicky title. I would click on that. I wanna click it now. It's about something that he knows. So it's about another streamer named Ms. Kiff. I don't think he actually used, like,

technically insider knowledge that someone else couldn't know. I don't remember. I watched this a long time ago. So he kind of artificially, through his own prior knowledge, created a very meticulously researched video that someone else could have made. Yeah, I think that was it, I'm pretty sure. And then he shows about promoting his stuff too. So creating the channel, he goes through all those details, making a thumbnail, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then at some point in time, I don't remember where it is, yeah, he promotes it because he chose making a video about a streamer who does reaction videos so that he could link it in their stream and they would likely watch it because like if you if we if we if someone linked us a video like hey someone made

a video I don't know it's likely I don't think it's likely not for us but a lot of other people were not that edgy and especially not right now but a lot of streamers would so he links it to them and then they actually do watch it on stream at some point That gets it a bunch of traction people liked the video He tells him to go subscribe whatever and it starts the channel off and it's it's like it's really interesting because he genuinely goes through all the steps Yeah, this is this is like Miss kiff watching the video, I guess

Yeah, that's him watching it I don't remember if they actually show the like metrics of the channel what's the fair use situation of Ludwig using ms. Kiff's reaction video of Ludwig's video that he made is it is it intuitive yeah I don't I don't remember like how well it did. I mean, first time video and we're talking about views from different areas in the thousands. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's very cool. So, I don't know, you can do it.

I don't necessarily think it's like just particularly particularly having good editing, or just having particularly good something else, you need to bring everything together. For it to be intuitive. It's an interesting experiment, but it would have to be, we'd have to be all in. Like you'd basically, we'd basically have to like, bring a production crew to you. You'd have to kind of tell us, okay, here's five concepts that I have. We'd kind of have to massage them and go, okay, this is your best one.

This is probably your strongest angle for it. Oh, one and a half million views, okay. Yeah, that's million views okay. I mean it's riding on the back of this video which has 6.5 million views. Hard to evaluate now. Yeah. So we'd have to come all the way out there we'd probably have to kind of use our process right you tell us kind of everything you know and then I would lay out all the like the intro the story beats the conclusion we'd figure out how to package it. Can we make a youtuber? You would yeah, you would sit there and you would read the you would read the the script But I don't know if if you're on floatplane, you might have seen this before

But there's a there's a behind the scenes of me working with Ryan Shroud and Tom Peterson Who both at the time read Intel. I think Schraut's moved on, I think Tapp's still there. But basically, there's a behind the scenes of me coaching them on their part in our video on Intel Arc, where effectively I just say, okay, repeat exactly after me and what's really special about this product is and what's really special about this product is so essentially like like like showing them the exact intonation that they need in order to make the delivery a little bit more dynamic and engaging

so I would probably have to do that unless you're amazing at it already, which you might be. I'm not, you didn't even say exactly what your channel was, so I'm not sure what it is. And then from there we would have to kind of show you, okay, well, what does it look like to put together all the guidance for the visuals that are going to support this? Then we'd edit it. Then we'd edit it. And at that point, I don't know, it's tough. Like, we haven't really answered your question. And at that point, I don't know, it's tough.

We haven't really answered your question. Like how much pro editing drives it because there's so much more to the editing process than just the edit. So I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. Linus, what advice would you give a young Canadian business owner? I'm from Ontario. Yeah. Linus, what advice would you give a young Canadian business owner? I'm from Ontario.

Run. To LTT store and get these good deals. Um, man. Run. It's been a long week. Be prepared. The whole world, let alone Canada, is in, has been, you know, in not great economic space for a while now.

This is a new thing. Everyone talks about the impact on consumers of inflation because most people are consumers rather than business owners, but businesses are absolutely impacted by it as well. And on both ends, right? Because on the one side, you've got your suppliers or your partners demanding more because of inflation. And then on the other side, you've got your labor force demanding more because of the impact of inflation on them. So in a way,

you're kind of caught in a squeeze. If you increase the price of your product, some people might not be able to afford it anymore, despite everything else, because they might not be getting raises from their companies to keep up, even if you're giving your people raises so you're you're you might have less less revenue and has IFA asks Linus and Luke Trudeau or Pierre yes no we have a de facto two-party system Luke no I know but yes wasn't it so cool when he was like I'm gonna get rid of first first post he was like it's done, dude It's obviously really stupid and you all voted me in for this reason so I'm definitely gonna do it I am then I didn't I know that there's been plenty of other things hell Yeah, Captain JT has

I know that there's been plenty of other things that Captain JT has screwed up, but the one that I am actually by far the most angry about is First Past the Post. It enrages me as well. Like, election reform is something that, you know, I would think that Canadians and Americans, the need for election reform, I would think would think that Canadians and Americans, uh, the need for election reform, I would think is something that Canadians and Americans should probably, uh, all be pretty aligned on at the citizen level. Um, and the fact that they, that he promised he was gonna get that done and then was like, psych!

Not cool, JT. Not cool, bruhT not cool, bruh Not cool, bruh. There's like a way there was a our own province for the Americans That's the same thing as a state well. It's not Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, anyways. It's like a state except. It's like It's actually part of Canada instead of like wanting to be its own thing completely. Yeah. Yeah. But except for Alberta and Quebec,

they also want to be their own thing completely. Except for a lot of the, anyways. I'm not sure how stoked the prairies are on the whole like Commonwealth either, but you know whatever yeah BC kind of hides on the other side of the Rockies and pretends were part of Washington. Yeah, yeah We are us Washington State and Oregon State as far as I can tell like Crap I think I could probably get you con in there like I think the whole rest of the world went to crap We could all probably kind of come together and be like

Pacific Northwest land rain land yeah, yeah We like it wet What's it say yeah, we had a we had a provincial election here recently and I I Was looking into it sounds like I want to be an informed voter And I I found the like the platforms page for the three Parties he sends this to me in the middle of the night. He's like, oh my god It really felt like genuinely someone in grade four Was like, um, this would be, uh, I don't know.

They're like, ask chat GPT, like, how should I make a bad political campaign? And they were like, I don't know, do this. And then they actually published it. Like, it's stunning that people put this on paper. And I mean that for both of the main two parties. Think about it. When you were in grade 11, grade 12. Okay.

And you like put together a project on something and you like did some research or whatever and you did a presentation at the front of the class. It seems like it went further than those. That, as far as I can tell, a lot of people never really progress past that in terms of like their research and presentation and Data compilation skills and and and you you would think you would think but of all I mean, you know

These are people in like a position of you know where it's really important for them to be able to do That's been a wild Realization like as an adult and it's it still gets me it still gets me often Where I'm like, oh like this person's coming from, from I don't know, this this company or this this area of educational background. And you start conversing with them and you're like, Oh, okay, like, this is gonna be great. I'm gonna like I'm gonna learn so much. It's gonna be so so useful or interesting or

whatever the scenario that you're in is. And then you start actually working with them and you're like, Oh, okay that you're in is. And then you start actually working with them and you're like, oh. Okay, you're just like a dude. Well, everyone's just a dude. Yeah. Like that's the thing, right? All right. Like we, I don't know, it's funny.

We leave school where we look around at all our peers and we're like, everyone's just a dude. And then we go into the real world and we're like, Oh, you're a librarian and you're a dentist and you're a bus driver and you're a this and you're that. And it's like, no, no, no, no, you're all just dudes. I think the hope, I think the hope is that when you're in high school, you're like progressing so much year to year that when you leave high school, I think,

I think there's probably still some amount of assumption that like, you're really going to be progressing a lot. So like, if someone worked in a field for 20 years, you're going to expect like this unobtainium feeling level of, of expertise. And that does exist. Sometimes. It does. Oh, it totally does. For sure. Luke, I don't know what was more enlightening for me when I had children and realized that Kids are just tiny adults. Yep Yeah, sorry I keep For when the inverse dawned on me Just a bunch of really big kids walking around

And to be clear to be clear Present party included. I am not some kind of paragon of maturity. Let's be real here. Oh, yeah, dude I still I still feel like I have Honestly a lot of the state the same wants and desires and hopes and dreams. I said inverse not converse. That I did when I was 15, 14. Honestly, like, you know, the approach might be different. Did we crystallize like way younger than I think people are comfortable thinking about? Yeah. Like going to my 20 year high school reunion, I'm like...

Yeah? Did you go? Yeah, why not? I haven't gone anywhere hot take don't be too cool to go to a reunion it's not even that I just yeah no what no it totally is I've got most of the people that I've talked to about it it basically boiled down to like I'm too cool to care about this no I'm still in contact with honestly a lot of people from my high school.

Sure. So like, I don't know, we'll like go have a campfire with like 20 of them. This is my reunion. But that's not the reunion. Yeah. That's not the point of it. I'm not saying I'm too cool for the other one. I just don't care. But it's not because I'm too cool.

I objectively don't think I'm cool. I'll let you guys unpack all of that I'm not gonna go yeah yeah I'm not interested yeah charge nuclei says it's because everyone else is less cool deep blue V says sure Luke sure no I just says which makes you cool I think if you're not in contact with a bunch of people from your high school it could be good also in the age No, I just- Avon Fox says, which makes you cool. I think if you're not in contact with a bunch of people from your high school, it could be good to- Also, in the age of Facebook,

I think that's another big change. Because there are people from my high school that I'm not actively in contact with, that every once in a blue moon, I'm like, I wonder what they're up to. And then I go click, oh, and then I'm done. I didn't need more than that. I don't know, look look I only stayed for about

15 minutes. Yeah. Well because it was one of my kids birthday party that day. Okay. And so I was like well I'd like to go I'll go show my face say hi and you know see what see if there's anyone that I recognize. Some of them I didn't. I had a pretty big class and I was a loser. So, like, I was actually not cool. You had a pretty big class? You didn't go to, like, a, I thought you went to, like, a farm school, basically. Well, yeah, but, well, were you commuting at any school? Well, I had to drive a fair bit to get there. It was, like, a 20 minute drive. How big was your, your, your, your, my, uh, well, when I say pretty big class, I mean,

for me to remember all the names and faces. Like, our, our school was about, I Your, your, my, well, when I say pretty big class, I mean, for me to remember all the names and faces, like our, our school was about, I want to say about 1500 or something like that. So my class was a few hundred people. I think, yeah, I think you're at a bigger school. But part of the problem for me is that, um, I was in the, like, I was, I was kind of in my like streamlined pod. Um, so I was taking like challenge courses and AP courses So I saw a lot of the same like 25 people and I saw very little of the rest of the 90s percent of the class Oh, I saw I saw a lot of those folks and like I took metal art and jewelry We had a really I took shop believe it or not so we like we only had one AP course if I remember correctly There's a P English. Oh, yeah, okay Believe it or not. So we only had one AP course, if I remember correctly.

It was AP English. Oh yeah, okay. So you were often, I was quite mixed amongst everybody? For AP, I think we only had English as well. So challenge was just our internal name for a slightly more challenging version of what is essentially the same curriculum never even heard of where's AP is its own like separate entity that like organizes things though Dan is saying we're over time oh we're over time yeah you okay Luke I am still good but not for like a long time okay cool yeah I just needed to check in. Yeah. No, that's good. We just wrap up pretty soon. Yeah

Yeah, I don't know I'm not like against it I just I just don't care It's got Facebook spoken like a very cool answer. I met somebody my goodness You know somebody you know, it's like whatever man like yeah, we're all just kind of going through life I'm just not that into it. I could go to the high school reunion I could do it, but like I don't know I could do something way more important and sexy Could hang out with my beautiful partner My birds and my cool birds are pretty cool. Okay cool friend. I met somebody at the gym that I went to something could lift something heavy

I went to elementary and middle school with and that was cool, but they don't do like elementary and middle school reunions Like those people I actually don't have contact with anymore any of them So you would go- Because that was pre-facebook You would go to a grade 7 reunion Yeah, actually Interesting Because I don't remember almost any of their names

I don't have any contact with them anymore because that was pre-facebook and stuff You know what's funny is I actually had the exact same thought like two weekends ago. I was back in Ladner and I was at Sharkey's Bar and Grill with my grandparents, the kids' great grandparents. And- The more I think of it, this is more true. And the waitress bore a striking resemblance

to someone that I went to school with. The age wasn't right right like they were younger Yeah, but I was like holy crap. I wonder if they're a relative of of this girl. I went to school with I Didn't want to ask because people don't interact in person anymore Yeah, and it'd be like a weird thing to ask someone speaking is weird. Hey, do you have a relative? Do you have a relative named? Whatever like you look like someone I know it almost seems like a pickup line. You know oh

Yeah, really? I don't well you never know people people apparently just like don't approach each other in person anymore So so anything sounds like a pickup line. I would think so fair enough, and I was just like it was unnecessary I don't actually care that much, so I wasn't gonna like say anything weird Arrogant says yeah, that's a fair concern in my opinion make as advice says I accidentally picked up a girl that way okay So there you go. I'm apparently not completely crazy. I do think it would have been fine I was there with my wife and my kids and my grandparents like yeah that kind of diffuses a lot of that clearly I'm not making a move, but never underestimate how scummy a dude could be so and modern relationships sometimes Exactly who knows exactly who knows who those kids are actually born from yeah

Yep What's about second wife says mine still anyway the point is It made me think about someone that I hadn't thought about in a bazillion years and I was like, dude, how cool would that be? Because this came on the heels of my aunt telling me because she ran into the mom of like my elementary school BFF who was like, oh yeah, he's like moving to North Vancouver and like has a and stuff. And I was like. It's crazy to think about. What?

Yeah, I don't know. I think that'd be cool. Like I left my elementary school, my first elementary school after grade two. So being able to be like, hey. Remember me? No. I have I why I I'm pretty cool

I don't even want to like tell this story I mean I think you're committed now so let's go cool guy I think it was grade one I I kissed some girl. Wow, that's pretty cool Like who the heck was that? You kiss girls you don't even remember them. No, and this guy says I've held so many hands. I don't even know. I don't even know how many hands I've held If I remember correctly, I've had so many cups of tea. If I remember correctly one of us was like hurt or something I pulled on so many pigtails My god If I remember correctly one of us was hurt or something

Y'all got so many cooties I'm just gonna go for it anyways And uh, whichever one actually like initiated it did so because like their parents would do that when they were hurt to try to calm them down. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't we're in grade like one. It wasn't what you thought. Oh, he's been emotionally intelligent and caring since my Look at this guy. God, you're cool. God, you're so cool. I can't handle you guys. My paradox says that. Yeah, definitely friends from grade school. I'd love to see again, but high school, no interest in talking at all to any of them.

Now I have a hypothesis here, and that is not that the people you went to grade school with are like better in some way, but rather that they were at a stage in their life where they hadn't turned into complete fucking assholes yet. And so- That makes the elementary school reunion interesting though.

I see, okay. Because you didn't get to see that process So it's like what what happened in the gap? How did you get how do you look like this basically yeah? I do go from like that kid that was fun to play soccer with to like I don't know Who knows I think that's a little stitch of says Luke's just a stand-up guy stop Axel's to Jeff says Luke's just a stand-up guy stop Yeah, okay What's going on more? We got yeah, okay? We got some clear more. We got some cool people sending merch messages. Yes

How many is there left you wish they were let's let's try to Let's try to power through these okay? I Wish there was merino underwear available. They're wonderful. Do you know why some websites don't let you open certain links in a new tab? I hate that! Oh my god, I know! As a habitual control clicker, it's infuriating when I can't.

I hate it so much! Also middle clicking does the same thing, and it's my favorite. I hate it so much. I hate it so much. Okay, so watch this. Watch this. Okay? So if I'm in the dashboard and I want switch accounts, and I right click and I right click to oh my god

I left clicked okay It doesn't matter the point is if I want to switch accounts, and I right click I want to open it in a tab WHERE IS MY OPENING A NEW TAB? Why isn't it there? IT'S NOT INDUITIVE! I love this man. Not me, just making sure you can do the- Yes, that works. Okay, cool.

So- so vindicated. Uh, is there any pricing available for the commuter backpack? I'm hoping $150 or less so I can justify upgrading my- Upgrading my wife. wife, upgrading to my, upgrading, so I can justify upgrading to my wife from the $50 backgrab. I'm still using from high school. That's what it says, that is what it says.

That is what it says. This is the least intuitive merch message I've ever read. Upgrading to my wife. Upgrading to my wife. Upgrading to my wife. From the $50 backpack. Where are you storing things in your wife? That's quite the upgrade though. I can't do this.

Not a very intuitive upgrade. Upgrading from my wife? Upgrading my wife from the $50 backpack I'm still using from high school. Okay. I hurt my hand It's not too bad. It's not too bad We're not announcing the pricing yet. I Want to set a little early I think the back to the big well we got it. We got a we got a waitlist We got email

newsletter yeah, yeah, yeah, no no we got a waitlist we got an email Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. No we got a drum up. We ordered a few oh Based on the newsletter or just preemptively just based Based just based just based not on anything just based like on a like on a fucking turkey base yeah Yeah, get that meat Yeah Get that meat Yeah Get that meat gravy Okay, we need to get out of here

This is what happens if we go past 830 Next part's rising, keep going Was using my LDD stubby to fix my dishwasher before WAN show How well can I expect it to hold up to water? I don't know you tell me it should be fine the bits might rust a little bit because they're like iron and stuff Yeah, yeah, it's okay. Yeah. Yeah, just baste it taste shaft Sorry sorry last time I got for you hey Alright, keep rolling. Alright, sorry, sorry. Last one I got for you.

Hey, ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! With your focus on transparency, will there be any more HowLTT Makes Money videos? I know they were used against you, but can you look past that? I really hope that people were not here during the start of the show. Chat understood it apparently, but.

Yeah. I think someone internally pitched it a little while ago. It might've been Adam. I think it was Adam. I'm not sure. Don't quote me on that. I might be wrong about that. Someone pitched it internally a little while ago.

I think we are due for one. I don't know, guys. Like it's one of those things where. Someone in full-up like Chad said, wouldn't the old video still basically apply? No. I mean, and that's the thing, right? And that's why... That has changed. That transparency is not just once, right?

Like if you have a window into the front of your house, right? And you open it for a second and then you close it, that's not transparency. That's a glimpse, you know? Transparency is a process. It's a mindset. It's ongoing. And so I think in the interest of transparency, yeah, I'd like to do another one. But after sort of experiencing the way that people take what I say in those kinds of behind the scenes looks and extrapolate or or twist What I'm saying to turn it into something that I didn't say. I don't know. It definitely it definitely makes me Like that one time that you said that the iPhone was an unintuitive mess and had no redeeming qualities.

Yes, like the time I said that. It's really challenging, right? Because I can't reasonably expect people, every individual person out there to be familiar with everything I've ever said, right? And so you'll see like bad faith statements, like Linus always criticizes the iPhone, he never criticizes Android.

So mean. And I think this is one of those content pieces for us that have a super high potential for that, for people to see just this and not see the bigger picture or to see it and not believe it and I'm putting myself in a position where they just wouldn't have been thinking about it if I didn't bring it up. I think that's probably the biggest danger is I talk about like you know I talk about

the sponsorship so I talk about integrations or I talk about merch or I talk about flow plane or you know all the other ways that Linus Media Group makes money. And you've got, you know, the people on the one side that are going, that couldn't be all of it, what are they hiding? And then you've got the people that are like, oh my god, I can't believe that they make so much off of like sponsorships and merch that they pay like you know 100 people. I didn't you know I didn't think about that before I thought that you know Linus was just my friend or whatever it's like bro why is it a conversation

that I'm even opening up at this point like the during WAN shows you know two and a half three hours into WAN show or whatever we are right now what are we out we're three and a half hours into WAN show it's's like, yeah, fine, we can kind of talk about this stuff because realistically, the only people who are gonna make it past me insulting their precious iOS are gonna be people who I think can at least- Based Android users, let's go! I think are people who can see the bigger picture

of what we're trying to say and see that, you know, for all of our flaws, we're trying and sort of take things, take things that we say and take the things that we do with a positive, with a set of positive assumptions, rather than a set of negative negative assumptions whereas like a mainline channel video. It's not really like that So we'll see I think that right now This is not a good time of year to go bug the accounting department to create a bunch of extra like presentation slides for us They've got to do a lot of new good, but goalposts things to work on yeah but maybe next year we'll see okay can't can't ask timeline for backpack carabiners you should have them already if you don't contact support and I'll

see you again next week same Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye! Dude, it was so hard not to talk about this. Oh, you can't lean over here. I know, it's fine. I know, right?