The WAN Show - Look At Me I'm The Sponsor Now - WAN Show November 29, 2024

Episode Date: November 30, 2024

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And welcome to the WAN show. Australia has been, actually, no, I don't care as much about this one. It's really interesting and it's really important, but what I actually wanna talk about is an influencer who is suing another influencer for infringing on her vibe. I have so many thoughts on this.

Actually Luke, hold on, I'm going to need to, Dan can you get rid of Luke for a second? There's a lot of beige in Luke's vibe right now and that could be infringing. I'm infringing. Oh, I'm sorry. I'd like to avoid a loss of, actually Luke's vibe right now, and that could be infringing. I'm infringing. I would like to avoid a loss. Actually, hold on, I need these chairs. I need these chairs out of the frame. There we go, okay. We have a non-infringing, dang it.

We have a non-infringing vibe. Okay, oh, perfect, that's great. The Labs did, oh, oh man, we've got so many great topics this week. Fine, the Labs did a super cool article about power supply efficiency ratings and how the power supply you buy might actually be better than what you would think based on the label on the box. What else we got? Okay, Dan, we can put everything back. Australia bans social media for kids under 16, and gaming in the USA is about to get rather a terrible.

That's not funny. Oh, I think it's pretty right. The show is brought to you today by JumpCloud, LG and Vessi, and also our laptop partner LG and of course dbrand and secret labs who are our skin partner and I wouldn't have skin without dbrand and also our chair partner which Dan conveniently covered up with Luke right as I was about to point At it way to go Dan good timing as always alright Why don't we jump right into our headline topic for the day, which I actually forget what it is Dan Do you remember what it is? You're an advertisement ah? Oh, oh, yeah, we didn't even talk. We didn't even talk about that.

It's going so well so far. That's awesome. LTT Store has had three sponsored creator videos go up this week, including two long form videos and one short. Luke, have you seen any of them? None. You have seen none.

Perfect. So we have it, we are, all of our, all of our influencer marketing is going up in reverse alphabetical order. So it's going to start with Zach builds and Zach's tech turf. And then we skip all the way to M. Wait, yeah, go ahead.

Can we do that on purpose? We wouldn't do it on purpose. No, not even a little bit. No, no, 100% no. No, our third one is Macho Nacho Productions, and I'm pretty sure we would have been able to find at least one or two tech YouTubers who are between Zed and M. Anyway, check this out.

This is such a cool video, has already got nearly half a million views from Zach builds Obviously, I'm gonna want you guys to go check out the entire video and not just the LTT product placement in it But but but watch this watch this watch this hold on wait for it wait for it. That was annoying I can't believe it didn't work from the factory Blah blah blah ready to keep pushing forward. He's don't worry something interesting's gonna happen soon. Let me segue to our sponsor, lttstore.com, let's go! Let's go.

I gotta tell you, I did send a rather terse email to the business team when I saw this spot go live. And the reason for that is that, while Zach actually did an amazing job, by the way, this is incredible of showing off the screwdriver, showing off everything that's good about it, the strength of the magnet, the completeness of the kit, he did just an outstanding job talking about the quality, he's really well shot, the one thing that he didn't do is use our screwdriver for the project. Fortunately, fortunately, the good news here is that in spite of any perceived beef that

may exist on their side, I have nothing against iFixit. A huge, huge advocate for their, for their mission and all of that. Anyway, we didn't get to him in time and he did say in the sponsor spot that if the screwdriver had gotten to him in time to do the project, because it arrived after he'd done it. Oh, okay.

I was like, that's rough. If it had gotten there in time to do the project, he would have preferred to use it He didn't say he really liked it. So that's that's really good to hear Anyway, I got I got I got a real kick out of that and I was like yo guys Look like it's fine. But like Really and they were like no no no no no no that's how it went down Anyway, so we also had a video go up

with Zach's Tech Turf. This one I haven't actually watched yet. This one's a short. Oh wait! I didn't even know who it was, but I know the guy's face. I 100... oh I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry other Zach. Yep, my bad. Anyway, tools PC builders actually need. A knife. All right. Fair enough. Cutters. Yup. Fair enough. Most importantly, screwdriver.

Let's go. Freaking awesome. So that's our second one that went live. Oh, look at this. He's got a whole bunch of them. Okay, that's pretty cool. So that's the second one that went live. and then also Macho Nacho Productions. This is a really cool video you guys are gonna want to check this one out as well. Nintendo never gave us a Switch Pro so Mauters did. Also just a really really nice really nice spot for

the precision screwdriver and yes guys I can see you in the comments. I hear you in the comments shrieking about us uploading a promotional video with influencer marketing for a product you literally can't buy right now because it's out of stock. Trust me. I don't like it any more than you do, but hey look, okay, we're new to this. But hey look, okay, we're new to this. Okay, we're You can sign up for some newsletter about when it's gonna be back in stock or something and I don't know Nick said it was gonna be December ish maybe when they have more information Classic like us problem That's the exact type of thing that we would screw up that that's very on-brand Yeah, so there's this great project is hype is as F and like you're gonna love it and like yeah I don't know what

Yeah, too bad. Maybe it's our strat. Maybe just nobody consulted me and that's our strat You going for the luxury product strat, you know? Yeah, it's the new Birkin bag. The LTT precision screw driver. I gotta make an appointment for it, but you're not allowed to make appointments. Yeah, put it in your loved one's stocking. Next year! Hope that they don't need to screw anything together between now and then.

Anyway, you guys are gonna wanna check this video out as well. Super cool. And yeah, I don't know what to say about this other than that go check out those videos. Massive shout out to them for working with us on this. I mean, obviously they didn't, you know, nothing in life is free. We believe in paying people for their work. So these are paid sponsorships as you guys would would expect from us And you can expect to see a lot more. We have a couple discussion questions The first one is does it feel weird to go full circle from sponsored to sponsor? And I gotta say I feel like I feel like this is hardly full circle so much as it's that

I am going in circles, right? Because I started out as just like a paid mouthpiece to make product videos for rich video merchandising on product pages, and then made my way into like like like independent sort of opinion slash tutorials and guides and reviews while also maintaining the other thing in parallel and then started doing sponsorships also in parallel to then creating products and like sponsoring myself to sponsoring others to splitting off the lab to be its own like independent media review thing to like, I don't know, I just got, I got a lot going on. I got a lot going on over here. But yeah, no, I, you know, it feels kind of cool. It's, I, it's, it's not the same feeling as seeing the product get reviewed, like independently reviewed.

But I would say it's honestly kind of more fun in like a different way, if that makes sense. Like it's just, it's more surreal, right? Like it feels like an out of body experience a little bit. If that kind of something that's been I mean, it's I've always had this reaction where like, if I'm watching a YouTube video, and then I noticed someone's wearing like one of our shirts, or like one of our sweaters or something, it's always like, Oh,

whoa, like it kind of it's, it's jarring in a good way, if that makes sense, it kind of, I don don't know you have to take a second to kind of absorb it But now it's happening where Shirts as much as I do like our shirts, you know, I didn't even really think about it. I'm wearing one of them right now they feel more on the merch side of things when someone's using one of the tools and They don't talk about it and they're not making like it it feels like it wasn't a conscious decision it was just like no this is just the best thing that I have for this then it's it's almost a different form of reaction I don't know it's kind of and like one thing that's

really different about the sponsorship thing for me is that I've I've talked a lot about how I have a very kind of limited schedule and I can't I don't have enough time to fill it with a ton of YouTube I don't watch a ton of YouTube. I don't really I don't really sample my own products so to speak But I have felt compelled to watch these videos from the creators that we sponsor because and like look I would never because I've been on the other side of it I would never like give I've been on the other side of it, I would never give myself credit for their hard work, but I do feel like we supported it, right? I feel like we helped enable them to do what they do, and it's a really different feeling.

It shouldn't be. We enable people to do their creative work all day. Every time Riley uploads tech linked You know Linus Media Group incorporated has enabled something, you know That's what we do literally do for a living but it feels a little different when it's these small Smaller creators or in some cases I mean, we've even sponsored creators that are arguably our size or bigger depending on the measure, right? But I Don't know it feels feels, it's vibes.

It's good vibes. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. I mean, especially when, you know, it's, AdSense on tech content isn't that amazing. So at the end of the day, a lot of what keeps the wheel going around is this kind of sponsored content. So it's fun helping keep the wheel going around for other

people as well. And what's cool about that is that one of the things that we've made a conscious effort to do over the last five years or so, maybe longer than that actually, over the years is to diversify our sponsorships and make ourselves less dependent on the brands that we cover and That's a tough thing to do because especially when you're first starting out the advertisers target whoever is The audience is that most overlap with the people who will buy their products which for reviewers obviously going to you're gonna You're gonna target the reviewers who are making videos that viewers are watching

that are reviews of their products, right? So you're going to have this inherent kind of conflict. And you can manage that, you can mitigate that, you can have good agreements, you can have strong moral fiber, good character, and you can keep your editorial and your sponsored talking points separate. But it's always going to be there. It's always going to be there. It's always gonna be there. And it's always going to mean

that you're going to be dependent. There's a hand that feeds you and it's at least gonna occur to you whether or not you should bite it. And you might be an absolute wild man like me and go out of your way to bite it just for lulls. Like, I mean the framework the framework secret shopper one I'd say is probably the best recent

example of that we didn't have to do that I know Rob has not even emailed me about it he has not so much as acknowledged that video to me which I think is really funny what about when it's your own hand what about when you reviewed LT store yeah I don't know. We're idiots, honestly. We're kind of crazy. And you know what? There's a lot of integrity in the tech YouTube space. There's a lot of people that I think would do the same thing if they had the privilege. But this is something that they are not dependent on. They don't depend on me for anything. If anything, I'm like a competitor or whatever.

Not that I really see it that way, but I'm more, if they make me mad or whatever, like what? Drama builds audiences, drama gets views. I mean, there's certainly plenty of examples of that in the tech space, right? So it's one of those things where like, they have absolutely nothing to lose by like burning a sponsor relationship with

me or whatever right and it makes them less dependent on tech sponsors that actually exist within the vertical that they cover so that's something that's really cool to me I think that's probably if I had to nail it down I think that's the coolest thing is that we are enabling the same diversification that we have sought to achieve for ourselves. And that's a really healthy thing for the space, to have sponsors that you don't cover as well. That's the ideal. Anyway, sorry, what are we supposed to be talking about?

Yeah, so yeah, this is cool. Oh, our other discussion question, actually maybe you can speak to this because I think you're like you're doing a paid gig thing right now Like that's what you're in France for right? So yeah, the discussion question is can you talk about brand creator? Relationships and how sponsorships even work does the brand reach out does the creator reach out? How does it work? I? Mean it can work in both ways in regards to reaching out. I think generally how we do it is you have your pretty, the business, you might kill me here, because I might say something wrong. So I don't know, don't take this at my word.

But you have some partners that you've been working with for a long time, and it's more like you talk to them near the beginning of the year near the beginning of the quarter whatever you try to figure out like okay what is our approach going to be this time like how can we best work together this time there's some amount of assumption that you're gonna work together there's some like cold calling where you're reaching out to people seeing if you can work with them and then there's cold calling in our direction where people are reaching out to us seeing if they can work with us. In this particular case,

I don't necessarily know what happened. I think being a review company, having relationships with companies that make products has always been kind of interesting. Like what I'm in France for is OVH. OVH we use as a company and have been using as a company for like genuinely close to a decade. I think a decade.

Cause the forum. I think so, yeah. Yeah, wow, that's cool. 10 years of partnership, let's go. Yeah, we've also used almost every one of their products, which is like kind of crazy. Like we even, at one point in time, we used one of their products,

which is called So You Start, which is like basically semi-recycled, very old discount servers. Cause that's, I mean, at one point in time, that made sense for us, right? So that one's pretty easy. Cause when I'm here hosting with them, I just get to talk about, I don't know, the reason why I've been using them for basically a decade, which makes it pretty simple. There has been times where, you know, I'll be pretty friendly

with representatives from a certain company. And then we do a review and then suddenly, I mean, I was still down to be friendly. And then it becomes not very friendly anymore. But that's just part of the playing field, right? Like you can't let whatever you have going on affect a review. It doesn't matter. Like it's completely irrelevant at that point. The second you're reviewing something, you have to be completely impartial. So, I mean, I've lost people that I was friendly with, but it's part of the game. And there's also been people like you just mentioned the framework thing, right? Like some people get it. And they're just like, okay, well, I'll take from this what I can. And we keep moving

forward, right? It doesn't matter. But then there's Astro, who never spoke to me again, after this review. Yeah. Yeah, it's part of the it's part of the game. It is what it is. I don't know. Yep, but you got to be yeah, you got to you got to be you got to be willing to just kind of move forward. Like I think as much as I dog on them, which is part of the point of what I'm saying about to say, Nvidia has grown up a lot over the last little bit. We dog on them, we talk about the things that they do that we don't like, you know, we tease their leather jacket, kitchen enjoying CEO, you know, we talk about the negative aspects. I think I've made it very clear, I think they're

an extremely difficult company to work with. I think they've got an arrogance about them, a chip on their shoulder that makes its way straight from the top. But you know, I think we also acknowledge the good that they do. We acknowledge the extremely strong track record they have for product support, for example. NVIDIA's software support for their aging and legacy products stands out in an industry where many companies will just arbitrarily drop support for things, even that are quite new. When they commit to something, they follow through on it.

I mean, even when it's obviously failing, look at how long they stuck by 3D vision in spite of the fact that it was clearly dead. But that ecosystem they built, they supported it for a long time. So we talk about the things they do bad, we talk about the things that they do well. And after a couple of years, and someone who did take things personally, ultimately leaving the company under some circumstances that I genuinely don't know what they were, but they're not there anymore. They have come back to the table. I think we're probably going to be working with them this coming year.

We've done some stuff with them in 2024. And that's good. Like, that's a healthy thing for them to be able to be criticized on the one hand, editorially and be able to work with us to, in a sponsored or advertiser capacity to get their side of the messaging out if that's what they want. You gotta have both of those things. And if you wanna reach our audience, you're just gonna have to accept that that's how it works. Colton today, I think this might end up

in a behind the scenes that Sammy was shooting. Colton today brought up the time He had to get on a call with Intel right after I did that intro with like Me as like like a hostage like a terrorist hostage Yeah, do you remember this? No Yeah, here it is here it is so we did this we did this bit where I I pretended that

Here we go That Intel was holding me at gunpoint and I had to read a statement saying that there That their stuff was really good or whatever He had to get had to get on a call with them like the day after that went live to spoof it over. Oh man. I can't believe the kind of stuff we've done over the years. Like this is crazy. This is absolutely crazy. It's also really funny to me that I, that I, that anyone even remotely acknowledges people who are like, yeah, Linus would never say anything negative about a sponsor or whatever.

Like, dude. I was, I was explaining the concept of, I'm I'm gonna I don't have a swear but manually bleep it but I was explaining the concept of stuff Manufacturers say the other day to somebody Yeah, they're like wait you guys actually did this and I like showed them a few of the videos. They're like Oh Yeah, dude, um, I think Cooler Master works with us again, so I guess I can say this, but the Cooler Master

like didn't talk to us for I think like a solid two or three years after that one on their their supposedly mechanical keyboard one from from the shit manufacturers say series. I remember that. Oh, that's hilarious. I don't know, man, but like, I don't know, it is what it is. It doesn't matter. You gotta be, you gotta be, the thing is, the thing is, look,

if you do your job well enough, and I'm talking to my fellow content creators right now, okay, if you do the job well enough, it's not gonna matter who likes you or who doesn't like you, because at the end of the day, people come, they go in this industry, they move around jobs, they move around positions. If you're good enough, you'll still be there.

Doesn't matter. There's always another chance to restart the relationship. That doesn't mean that you should be malicious. You should never be malicious. Never do anything out of malice. That's not healthy either. But you've got to speak your mind. You've got to you've got to be honest. You've got to you've got to bring the best knowledge that you have to your

audience. And as long as you do that, the audience is going to be there for it. And as long as the audience is going to be there for it, the brands will always come crawling back. Every Yeah, I think an important part of this except Apple is well they were never there in the first place I think I think an important part of this equation is that we need to come back to basically like if someone scorns us but then yeah there's there's a change in the future that we need to do it as well which we screwed something up if we screwed something up then we should do what it takes to to heal the relationship as well. Yeah totally, for sure.

Eberhendt's most healthy sponsor relationship. Yeah I don't know about that but definitely it works. It works in its own toxic way. All right what do you want to talk about next? What do you want to talk about next? Oh, actually on this. Okay. Nope. Go ahead. I was going to say the Australia banned social media for kids under 16. Let's do it. Do you want me to do it? I don't know how the latency is. It's like a two second delay, but you go ahead. All right. All right. Australia has passed its controversial social media ban stop it. You don't have to do that on purpose.

Sorry about that. Australia has passed its controversial social media ban for children under 16 into law only a week after being released. That's generally kind of nuts. Rather than punishing children who managed to get around it, which many are already promising to do, the law compels platforms like TikTok, Facebook, Snapchat,

Instagram, X, and even Reddit to find some way to block access by minors, which doesn't involve requiring government ID, which is good. Ask them to write in cursive. That would probably work until you get an AI that can like, I mean, it wouldn't even need to be an AI, just like a font system. Anyways, social media sites, possibly any website that allows interaction between users. So any any like social media site, UGC site, stuff like that.

could face fines of up to 33 million US dollars for systemic failures to prevent children under 16 from holding accounts. Oh, crap. Wait, what are we a social media platform by this definition? We have multiple of them. What do you mean multiple? What other than Float Plane? The Forum. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh It only comes into account once you're certain sides because if not, we're gonna have to figure something out Anyways

The government says that the law 33 million USD Australian, that's not how that works. Oh, it's 33 million Australian dollars. Okay. Okay. So like 20 bucks. Not too bad. Not too bad. Or like 300 million Canadian. Yeah, cost of doing business. The government says that the law supports parents concerned about online harms to their children

while opponents are concerned the ban could negatively impact mental health by cutting vulnerable young people off from support networks. Oh, interesting. Wow, there's a lot to unpack there because like social media does allow us to connect with each other but the problem is that each other are shit a lot of the time. So like, man, it's like, oh man, are you better off? Pretty strongly of the opinion that it does a lot more harm than it prevents.

This is tough. Okay, go ahead. I'm sure it will hurt for certain people though. I don't know. Anyways, privacy advocates warned that, it's moving around. Sorry, one sec. Privacy advocates warned the law would lead to increased collection of personal information, while the Australian Human Rights Commission said the law may infringe human rights of young people by interfering with their ability to participate

in society. Man, these are some wild arguments, but like, hold on, hold on. Is that true? Like, are you able to participate in modern society? And remember, remember, remember, forever, like, people's society is defined by their way of interacting with it. If your way of interacting with people is through social media, if that's your cohort, is there a valid

argument there? I think there might be. No. Why? I don't think so. I think my reasoning for that is because you're not going to stop interacting with your peers. So if they ban social media, you will find some other way to interact with your peers. You're not you're not stopped from interacting with society. You're being stopped from interacting with society with a society

of specifically adults and in one specific way. You can still observe because you could still like go on YouTube, I'm sure, because it's talking about making accounts. It's not talking about using the platform. So you could still like go on YouTube, I'm sure, because it's talking about making accounts, it's not talking about using the platform. So you can still look at Reddit, you can still look at YouTube, you just can't interact with it, which I think is fine. And then in regards to participating in society, you can still talk to other people, you can call your friend, you can talk to your friend in person. I think that's a massive overreach of what's actually happening to say that they're being like, cut off from interacting with society. That's not fair. And I think in some ways, honestly, especially

when you have developing brains and whatnot, you don't necessarily want all forms of society being shoved into your head all at the same time. I think there's arguments that that's bad for currently evolved humans of all ages to a certain degree. Let me play devil's advocate here for a second. I would say that probably 95% of my eldest's social interaction when he's at home is on Discord. Discord is obviously social media. It's not on the list here, but I would assume that it would be... Yeah. Someone's going to figure out at some point that it's social media, so it'll probably be added to the list. And the problem with that is that the infrastructure that existed before Discord doesn't exist anymore. Like there is... Oh, it's still there.

No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. TeamSpeak's still around. No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. I'm going even farther back than that. Even farther back than that. Because TeamSpeak would still be a social platform potentially. So we got to go farther back than that. The landline is not part of the family home anymore. Like there is no way, even if I'm like, here son or daughter, borrow my cellular telephone, there's no one for them to call. It's weird. Like, it's not taboo, but it's not normal for, you know, one of my kids' friends to call my phone. That would be not normal.

That would be weird. Like, we have these boundaries that exist around cell phones that sort of come from the time when the cell phone was separate from the landline home phone, but those landline home phones went away. There is no phone number for my kids to call to talk to their friends. So if they don't interact online, how do they talk to them when they aren't at school together, when they aren't already in the same physical room? And I'm not saying that this is insurmountable.

I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit here on purpose because, because for better or for worse, this is the communication lifeline that they have to each other that they're used to and cold turkey may not be ideal. And I have got a few opinions on this. I think if you look at the list of things that they mentioned, I don't necessarily know that discord would be on there. I think it would be. But I'm not certain because TikTok, Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, X, Reddit, all of these are big feeds of information. You jump on it's forcing content into your face.

Something like Teamspeak, especially, but also Discord, you are more joining things. When you set up Discord by default, there's nothing. And then you join a server, right? There's some action that you have to take. On X or whatever, There's a home feed. On Reddit, there's a home feed. Facebook home feed, TikTok home feed.

All of these things have a feed of information that is given to you no matter what. I think it's different. I don't know how this law would view Discord. Maybe it is included, maybe it's not. But something that I would really push is that I guarantee you day zero

People are gonna figure out how to interact with each other in some way I think the the comment that you made and one of the comments in here talking about how they can't participate in society are both Assuming that humans somehow for some reason for the first time in However, many years you believe in, decided to stop innovating, which just makes no actual sense. Like people are going to communicate, there's going to be a way. So I'm not personally super concerned about that. Yeah, I don't know. I think there'll be growing pains for sure.

I think you underestimate the inertia of being used to something. I completely, no, I don't know. I think there'll be growing pains for sure. I think you underestimate the inertia of being used to something. I completely, no, I completely believe that. I think there will be growing pains 100%. My whole day zero thing wasn't like, it'll be good day zero. My point was that people will be trying things, working on things day zero. It might take a pretty considerable amount of time. But I also think that that's okay. I don't think that we should not do things because there is any amount of time. But I also think that that's OK. I don't think that we should not do things because there

is any amount of downside. I think we should recognize that there is a immense and extremely deep, deeply rooted negative impact of having kids on social media. I think social media of all kinds is genuinely like a negative thing for a lot of society. I think there are positives to it, but I do think for the most part it negatively weighs on a lot of people. Doom scrolling, you know, if you have a... There's this whole concept that relaxation and rest is actually very important.

And there's there's been some studies, some looking into this recently that people aren't receiving the amount of relaxation and rest that they should have, because you're you're going to work and stressing. And then you're coming home. and your your rest time is actually like hyper stimulated, etc, which is extreme stimulation and extreme stress. Because the stuff that's working really well in those platforms is is negativity. It's really bad news. It's all these it's it's fighting. It's, you know, when you when you work and you have a stressful day, and then you go home and you fight people on Twitter, you're not resting. Here's a pitch. Here's a pitch from full plane chat

from Alon. What if they banned algorithmic social media, rather than just social media in general, because if you strip away the algorithm element of it, I mean, it's basically just, you could draw a lot of parallels to something like a Discord or an iMessage group chat or a forum. I mean, is Twitter really that different from a forum at that point, right? You've got a parent post and then you've got a thread of replies.

Fundamentally, you can DM other people in the replies. You don't like't like it actually do think it is. I do think it's quite different. And that's why I was saying like, I don't technically know when looking at this, if things like discord count, because there's a so okay, algorithmic, sure. But on stuff like X or Twitter, whatever, there's a global feed. On stuff like Facebook, there's global information. If there was a way to use Facebook, where it only ever showed things. Well, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. From people on your friends list. Yeah. So no algorithm feeding. Yeah, okay.

I think that would be a lot better. To be clear, I'm not saying that any of these platforms are going to agree to build that version of their product for Australia. I don't think that's going to happen. I mean, this mostly is just the reality of it is, I don't live in Australia. I don't have any kids who live in Australia. So to me, this is just kind of an academic conversation. And I'm sorry that this is actually impacting people,

whichever side of the fence you sit on on this issue. But for me, this is just kind of an opportunity to talk about, you know, because it just, whichever, whatever position you're in, whichever your stance is, I think what we could probably all agree on is that this seems like it got rushed. This seems like it got pushed through without necessarily full consideration of the ramifications. And that's really been my main point this whole time.

I'm not saying that I disagree that kids should not be on social media. I'm just saying that it seems like there's a lot we haven't considered here. Meanwhile, in 13 European countries, TikTok is blocking users under 18 from using its beauty filters, defined as effects designed to alter your appearance, particularly effects that users may mistake for unaltered video, and effects which are designed to be obvious and funny

which will not be blocked. So specifically the beauty filters are the ones that are designed to look like an unaltered video. TikTok, which already doesn't allow accounts for users under 13, also said they're developing machine learning technology to help detect and prevent people under 13 from being on platform. I don't know how effective that's gonna be. Probably about as effective as it is right now, which is zero. I mean, I definitely have young relatives

who are on TikTok more than I would allow my young relatives to be on TikTok, but I can't tell other people how to parent. I think the thing that I would add before we go on is that I think much more siloed experiences like Discord, I think I'm wildly more okay with. Discord can be pretty wild west, man. You can find some pretty unhinged stuff on Discord pretty easily. 100% if you join if you join the certain servers that have that but I think it's in my opinion it's a lot easier to as a as not a parent I have to assume as a parent that it would be easier to watch

Discord usage. Okay, I'm gonna blow your mind. I'm gonna blow your mind right now. The parent generation, the parent generation never had a shot, dude. Like I attended this thing, our YouTube rep asked me to go to this like technology and parenting thing to connect with, oh shoot, what was her name? Basically she runs this not-for-profit that's really focused on media literacy, especially in children. MediaSmart. So they're a Canadian not-for-profit.

So she really wanted me to connect with her. And they were, I mean, the presentation was totally pointless for me. It was like very basic. It was like very thousand foot view of like, you know, the importance of talking to kids and you know, what does managing screen time mean and stuff like that, right? But one thing that I thought was really interesting about the conversation, oh shoot, how did I get kicked onto this?

Ah, where were we? Nope, now I've forgotten. Fred. Did anyone remember? I was talking about Discord, using Discord. Yes, Discord. Okay, so one of the things that I thought about, and that was part of my conversation

when I was chatting with her, was that we're having this conversation where we talk about best practices for guiding our children's online interactions and supervising screen time rather than limiting it or using parental control software. Actually, it was a good chat. It was healthy, healthy parenting guidance, actually. It was really good. But I basically told her, I was like, look, you got to... Something that I think is kind of missing in this sort of an academic discussion is that The average parent is not equipped to do the things that you're asking them to do the vast

Majority of the parents that I talked to and these are these are parents like my ish age Like I'm a relatively young parent in my son's cohort But I'm not that young anymore by the time we make it to my second daughter's cohort I'm just cuz like Yvonne and I had kids pretty young relative to other Millennials so you got to get to her like our third kid by the time I'm sort of the same age as people whose first kid is the same age as my youngest so I'm so I'm running into people like my age people who grew up on MSN messenger and Habbo Hotel and the majority, the majority,

have no idea what the f**k Discord even is, let alone how to tell what servers their kids are on, and how to go look through their history, or figure out who they're friends with, or even know what that cute little ghost face icon even means. They don't know, they don't understand. And you can kind of like,

you could like crap on them and be like, they should know, sure, but they don't. And that's the reality. Yeah, getting mad is not gonna actually change anything. Yeah, I think, I agree. I think it's just like some amount of anything like no matter what detection they do. I'm just trying to think like, you know, if you put me at 13, I get around it. I don't care what they do. I'd find some way if I actually wanted to. But leaving some form of barrier in place to try to dissuade using these platforms is probably

a good idea. I know people personally that I think, honestly, usage of these types of platforms has introduced more brain rot than like weed and alcohol. Like I think it's really bad. I think it has a huge potential for negative in people's lives. So holding off until people are a little bit older and hopefully a little bit more aware of the impact that can come from these things can be good. If they really want it, they'll find a way and it's not like you're completely stopping them from communicating. And things like TeamSpeak and Discord, I think are less of a negative impact than other things. Although anything ever is going to have downsides.

Like even social clubs, you could have predators there. Oh, for sure. Like, you have no idea, right? There's always every single thing you ever do is going to have some form of downside. And anywhere where children congregate, intentional choice of words, predators will find a way to infiltrate. Totally, yeah. Shout out mediasmarts.ca by the way.

So one of the things that you can do is you can share resources like this. I only met the... How simple. I'm flashing back. Yeah, they talk about media literacy in particular, how to recognize fake news how to fact-check How to do your own research a lot of people say do your own research, but a lot of people Who try to do their own research are? Giant fucking idiots and probably shouldn't do their own research. They should just find someone who did the research for them

And they should listen to them. Unfortunately, because they have no idea how to do their own research, they have no idea how to choose someone to do research for them, so they're hopeless. But anyway, mediasmarts.ca, check it out. Ah. And yeah, so Strawberry in Floatplane Chat says, media safety should be mandatory in education, IMO.

That's a big part of what MediaSmart is actually pushing for. And one of their big frustrations, and we're very much like our southern neighbors this way, is that our educational curriculum is handled at a provincial level rather than at a federal level. So instead of them, with their very limited resources and money lobbying one body, right, at a federal level, they have to go around and they have to lobby at a provincial level to try to get this stuff integrated into the platform to try to build these resources. So it's an important mission. It's extremely challenging. It's an extremely challenging thing to tackle, especially when there seem to be much better funded organizations that have a lot more interest in keeping people media illiterate, which is an unfortunate fact of our time.

Anywho, merch messages. I guess we're supposed to talk about those. I guess we'll also do like announcements and stuff. Hey, that's right! LTT store Black Friday deals are live! And... Oh! We have something special going on! Um... Blah blah blah. Okay, I'll get to it. I'll get to this in a second.

We just dropped our Black Friday deals this morning. You can save up to 50%... Oh, are we down? Buh. Buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh bu Apparently it's just just float plane. Okay, and apparently some people are back cool. Well anyway I'm gonna get through this you can save up to 50% on some of our most popular LTT store gear today including mystery screwdrivers for just $40 50% off our workshop jacket 50% off a mystery color block hoodie and

50% off a mystery color block hoodie, and $10 off, that is what, 33% off our Scribe Driver Bolt Action Pens. These are some of our hottest items, and these are some deep, deep discounts. Better yet, we also just dropped the backpack LAN party bundle, which includes an LTT backpack, a Corsair K70 Core 10 Keyless Gaming gaming keyboard, and a Corsair Katar Pro gaming mouse, all for the price of just the backpack. So that's $140 in added value for free included with the backpack. I actually didn't even know that. The backpack deal? Yeah, I knew we had a backpack deal that had those things. I didn't realize it was just all of those things for free. Yeah, well that's a deal. That's a type of deal.

Yeah, sure is. We're also offering free shipping on orders over $250 to the US and Canada and free shipping over $300 for the rest of the world. So it's never been a better time to load up on deals than at the LTT store Black Friday sale. Man, there's a... This has become a very... This has become a very busy page, and I'm sorry for all the stuff popping up and everything, but the team's been working extremely hard to, uh, to get it... to get all the deals working in the first place, so, you know, if there's the odd hover thing that's kind of in your way, don't stress, don't stress. Anyway, but wait, but wait, there's more. If you were already on our mailing list, you already know about all of this.

Something you didn't know, though, is this. We are giving away a supersized LTT screwdriver, fully functional. We're giving one away. Yep, we are giving away a full, this super-sized LTT screwdriver to one lucky customer who purchases a ratcheting screwdriver bundle. Boom. Mic drop. Screwdriver drop. So we'll have the full details at LMG.GG slash Big Driver. The bundle includes an LTT screwdriver, the stubby screwdriver, and an extension shaft in either black and orange or all black, and saves you 20 bucks versus purchasing them all separately. If you've already purchased one throughout Black Friday, don't worry, you are already entered in the giveaway

So you can find the full details lng.gg slash big driver The last announcement is next week on flow plane. We're gonna have a new series tech upgrades Where are they now with ariana's being our first focus? I've been asked to start playing at 346 down Are you set up for audio? What? What? Why are we ever not set up for audio? Do we... cool, I got you. All right, well here's Ariana. We needed it. the- Sorry, what just happened? I also had this baby gate. Oh, that was Elijah falling down the stairs. That was like, we don't need it.

Because I have it for Odin, just in case. We needed it. Now this is the bunny room. Oh my goodness. Sadly, Peanut is not here anymore. He passed away a couple months ago due to some health complications. So it's just me and Odin, my little dude.

He's got hay on his face right now because he's a little messy eater. Was that the part that I was supposed to play? Hold on, let me find out. 3.46 until four minutes. Oh, I'm at completely the wrong time stamp. Okay, well let's go to the time stamp I'm supposed to be at, and let's try that again, shall we?

Use these stairs very well. But if you come down here, you can actually see that there's a mark from when Elijah slipped. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, sorry Elijah. Anyways. That's all there is to it. Yep. Alright, hilarious.

Are we gonna reimburse her for the damage to her house? Um, I don't know, we gave her a $5,000 upgrade, I think she'll be okay. Anyway, go to LMG.GG slash Floatplane to get access to more videos, extras and other few special treats we have cooking for the holiday season. All right, I guess this is where I explain merch messages. So if you guys are picking something up from the store, you'll get an opportunity to leave a merch message in the cart.

You'll see a little box when we're live and it'll, you know, fill a thing out. It'll either go to produce, well, it'll all go to producer Dan, who will reply to it, pop it up down there, do both of those things, or he will curate it. He will send it to someone internally

or send it to me and Luke to answer. So why don't we do a couple of merch messages? Wanna show us how it works, Dan? Sure. What is the best and worst deal LTT Store has ever done? I think the Mystery Screwdriver deal is probably right up there with our best deals I think the I think the Willy Wonka deal on the 3d down jacket was pretty cool

I think it was a one in ten chance to win or something like that It was either one in ten or one in five. It was like a no no, sorry It was either ten in a hundred or five in a hundred. It was either ten percent or five percent 10 in 100 or 5 in 100. It was either 10% or 5% and people won a trip here. Like literally like a couple dozen people won and came and got tours just for buying a 3D down jacket. That was a pretty cool one. Incomple says $15 hoodies on Lime Day. That was crazy. That was like way below cost. Jeremyn says $5 desk pad. Yeah, that was stupid. We shouldn't have done that. Um, yeah, there's, there's some stuff we really just like straight up shouldn't have done. Yeah, $29 for the dropout was great says Crystal. As for the worst deals we've done, I don't

know if we've ever done like a bad deal. I can tell you what our worst performing product is though. Do you guys want to know? All time? It might be of all time. It's it's really bad. It doesn't sell at all. Like nobody cares. I love it I think it's super cool, but it's oh, yeah, you can see Well, it's a better deal right now. I'm pretty sure this is below our cost I I would have asked for this to be priced a little bit higher than this, but our GPU crash tower game, it costs what it costs because that's what it costs to get detailed laser engraving across, you know, that many little pieces of wood, but this thing did not sell at all like at all I'm gonna

actually message them to save one for me I don't have one yet but I want one by the way Nick message to say that it's just unfortunate timing that our precision screwdriver sponsor spots came out first we have lots of other ones going for other products that are in stock it was just yeah just really unfortunate timing hey can you guys hold on to a GPU crash tower game for me period? I don't have one yet and I would really like to remember my worst product idea. Actually don't think it was my idea but it was I I was very supportive of this project in spite of the fact that it was like obviously

Made no sense like I think you can get first-party Jenga for like $12 or something like that, but first-party Jenga is not Laser engraved. I don't even know if that's engraving. Whatever. It's not lasered. It doesn't have lasers. I Mean it has a little bit of lasering just way less. Oh I mean it has a little bit of lasering just way less. Oh All right, hit me Dan. Sure I got one for Luke here. Mr. Luke la fwee fwee. If Canada banned chicken, would you move? chicken Banned chicken. I would I would start Then what did they what did they call it? Was it bootlegging? I mean, you'd never have sex again. Could you live without it?

That's a good point. I might have to. I have to do remote wanshows forever. What was it called when people would run alcohol during the pro- Bootlegging. Bootlegging. Yeah, okay. I thought so. I feel like I would end up like bootlegging chicken breast. Bootleg chicken. I feel like I would end up bootlegging chicken breast. Bootleg chicken. I feel like if you put a chicken in your bootleg, it would probably be not safe for consumption

by the time you get to anywhere to cook it. I see, I need the LTD store active cooling boots. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. In all seriousness, no, I can't know. I don't know. In all seriousness, like, no, I can't just like move away from work regardless of what weird actions Canadian government takes, but it is what it is. I mean, yeah, they might do some weird stuff. So we'll see. See how it goes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I suspect the next four years for the whole world is going to be weird.

It's it's, have you, oh man, this is maybe not a topic for Wancho, but it's the inconsistency at which every single ruling party in every single country in the entire world is being voted out is nuts. Yeah, ours is next. Oh yeah, oh for sure. Yeah, there's no way he holds up.

Yeah, and it's almost like, it's almost like there were global events that took place that contributed to the challenging environment that they were all dealing with. I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that all or any of them or whatever, I'm not saying any of them were doing a great job given the circumstances, I'm just saying, I'm just saying it's almost like there was a whole thing, you know, that was going on on a global scale, almost like that. Yeah. It's almost like that. Next up, Dan.

Yeah, do you want to hit us with one more, Dan? Oh, sure. I know there's a lot. Now that we've highlighted the Black Friday deals, they seem to be coming in at a pretty ridiculous rate. I've only got four curated. Most people are just like, awesome, thanks for the deals. Oh, that's nice. Shout out those people.

Rip my wallet, et cetera. Oh, wait, no, before you do that, before you do that, there was a chat that I wanted to respond to that wasn't a Merch message. Ash69 said, at Linus, xqc needs help building a pc again Why didn't you just buy one at this point did you learn nothing like honestly I I don't think he should build a pc I I think that he should buy a computer That's what I just had that to his Amazon list

Got a Mac Mini from Amazon. JC says, "'My partner just picked up nearly $300 worth of underwear from you guys. She's texture sensitive and your underwear is the most comfortable she's ever found. Thank you for making great products. Make sure she gets as much as she'll ever need.

I don't think we're gonna stock it again because it hasn't been a big mover." So, he- No, no. That's what happens with our- That's include vents. That's mover. So no, no, that's what that's what happens with our that's it. I think no, we're bringing back men's stuff, but we've had some trouble with suppliers for the men's stuff. So it's I thought you're getting rid of the men's. Yeah, it's kind of in might have just implied that I wear women's underwear.

Yeah, I met a I met a guy from AMD here while I was on my trip and he was showing off all his his AMD drip and he had like AMD branded socks. Wow. And he had actually very sharp looking AMD branded dress shirt that had the AMD logo on the collar. Oh yeah. Actually very good. And then I pointed out like yeah you can't always tell these days but I'm also dripped out in LTT stuff because like, you know, at the time I was wearing the the tall black long sleeve. Yeah, you can't tell that it's LTT merch, but it is. And then I commented on about how even even my underwear was was company brand.

Did he have underwear? Did he have AMD underwear? No, I did. We win. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I have have good news for you Luke. We may be close on socks Really that is actually genuinely very exciting. Yeah Tatiana the one and only Tatiana May have found something. It's not the same as the darn toughs that I like but what it is is very competitive in the ways that I care about and maybe, maybe even a little bit better in some ways I didn't know I cared about. So we'll, we're going to see, we're going to see. We'll see. Yeah, she like she leaked like three

projects. When she came on the 16 the the sweets double sweet 16 stream. It was it was crazy. It was crazy. I was like I was I was this close to filing a union grievance. This close. That is my job. You can't you can't take my job. Yeah, we just we just need footwear now and then I'll be able to be 100% LTD products. Just duct tape the plastic bags to your feet. All right, sorry, Dan.

I totally interrupted. Oh my God, we're up to 17 merch messages per minute. It has doubled in the last like two minutes. Yeah. Hello, my parasols. That's what you get for saying you have it under control. I last like two minutes. Yeah. Hello my parasol. That's what you get for saying you have it under control. I got it under control. Sorry Dan, it's the delay. Sorry Dan, it's the delay.

I didn't mean to interrupt. I got it. Hello my parasol. There's no actual delay between me and Dan, I'm just doing this to mess with him. Alright, I'm gonna screw with Linus, I know how to do that. Anyway, try and talk now. I was gonna say you could just mute him. No!

Oh, you put an echo on me. Dude, that will not stop me at all. You wouldn't believe. Oh my gosh, you're super capable of doing that. Dude. That's not, that's not. I ran WAN Show. I remember, I used to be the producer of WAN Show.

Of course. So I ran WAN Show while hosting WAN Show with delayed audio in my ears for years. Dude, you cannot do anything to me. Damn. I can sing in harmony. I can barely. Let's go.

I can barely talk with any sort of like delay around 150. Anyway, here is a merch message for you. Yeah. This one is, hello my paraso message for you. Yeah. This one says, hello my parasocial friends in quotations. Hello Dan Ramses all today, Lenny face. Also Luke, how's the food at this side of the pond? Any other funny or nice things happening

in the land of Baguette? No, food's amazing. Funny things happening. I don't think there's been a lot of particularly funny things happening. Um, I went snowboarding the Alps. That was fun. Sick. It's been, it's been a great trip so far. So you went all the way to France so that you could go to Switzerland?

Wow. Way to betray. Way to betray your French lineage. Way to betray your French lineage, Mr. Yafenier. Oh, dude, I've been roasted so hard for that the whole time I've been here. Oh, I bet. Any time anyone figures out my last name after I've already made it clear that I can't speak French, they're like, what are you doing? Especially, especially at that point in time, they assume I'm American. Then I'm like, no, I'm from Canada. And they're like, that's worse.

So I don't know. I mean, that's fair. But I mean, if you are American, then I guess I can understand. then I guess I can understand. Terrible Canadian. I mean the consistency of which I've been roasted for that as well. I was at a Christmas market technically tonight I guess. I don't know whatever. And I was shopping and the lady was like oh where are you from? And I was like Canada. And she started roasting me before she even knew what my last name was. Then I went to go pay and she saw my name on my card and she was like, what? What?

Yeah, my man. Yeah, get good scrub. All right, what are we supposed to be doing right now? More topics. Sure, let's do a topic. Oh, dude, dude. Wait, can you can you? Okay, okay. Oh, dude. This is amazing in a first-of-its-kind lawsuit Sydney Nicole Gifford is suing fellow Amazon influencer, Alyssa Sheal for copyright infringement and misappropriation of likeness.

Both create content in the clean girl aesthetic, characterized by neutral colors, minimalist decor, and a focus on self-care. But Gifford alleges that Scheele has harmed her earnings by copying her content, including featuring the same types of products, posting similar poses and outfits, matching specific frames of her videos, and even getting a similar flower tattoo on her left bicep just like Gifford. Sheel denies copying Gifford and claims that the similarities in their content are due to the nature of the Amazon influencer program and the prevalence of the clean girl aesthetic. She argues that many influencers feature the same

products and that Gifford's style is not unique. Kind of own-goaling with that one, IMO says Riley. Sorry, he added that to my notes. Legal experts suggest that Gifford's case faces challenges because copyright law offers limited protection for the type of content she creates. Given the generic nature of many of the images and lack of exact replication, the similarities may not be sufficient to prove infringing. Our discussion question is, what are the boundaries of intellectual property in the influencer industry where repeating trends is kind of part of the culture, like memes? Could we sue another YouTuber for making junkyard wars, for example? Wait, oops, that's the US version of the UK show Scrap Heap Challenge, which we actually

did realize when we named our thing Scrapyard Wars, but hey, at least it's not quite the same thing. Now, everything that I said, everything that I said just now is sort of hard to wrap your brain around until you actually look brain around until you actually look at the content. So I'm gonna pull these guys up. Hold on. Here we go. I'm gonna pull up the one and then I'm gonna pull up the other one.

And it is worth, I know that people have some thoughts on The Verge or whatever. It is worth firing up the verge. Dan, can you share the article with people? It's worth firing up the verge and reading this article. It's a long read, but just look, put your subway surfers aside for a little bit and read it because it is sort of mind blowing.

It's an outstanding piece of journalism. And hold on, I'm just trying to, sort of mind-blowing. It's an outstanding piece of journalism and Hold on I'm just trying to control F Crying on Sydney Sarah. Here we go It's an outstanding piece of journalism because it manages to tell both sides of the story in a way that I think is shockingly unbiased because if you're anything like me you're gonna look at these two and you're just gonna kind of go Okay anything like me, you're going to look at these two and you're just going to kind of go, okay. Oh, for crying out loud. Just find the stupid thing here.

Okay, here we go. You're going to look at these two and you're just going to go, yeah, how could one painfully generic person accuse another painfully generic person of like stealing their vibe when when this is it I mean I oh man I told myself that when we covered this, I was gonna try to stay neutral, but like, my god, you didn't create the products. Like their color palette? Yeah, you didn't create any of these products. Do you understand where...

That took me way too long. Sorry. Do you understand where products come from? Okay? Because it wasn't from you. It wasn't from your Instagram page. It was from a company somewhere that engaged a manufacturer somewhere, built a spec for a product, and created it. And if it exists on Amazon, there are literally, I promise you, the minimum order quantity for them is thousands of units. There are literally thousands of them that exist before you ever touched it. How can you possibly, how can you possibly say that someone is like, that someone is infringing on you by featuring the same like purse or whatever.

I am beyond words on this whole vibe. Any man is telling us to check examples from the Verge article, but I would recommend that people just go look at the Verge article themselves. The main thing that sends out to me is probably the arm tattoo. If those are actually super similar, that could be getting kind of weird. They're in the same spot, but let's be realistic.

There are not that many spots that people put tattoos. I will show just the tattoo one. I'll show just the tattoo here. No, not really Rose and definitely similar dandelions. Yeah, it's in like kind of a similar spot But like and it's a similar style like look if I got a tramp stamp would one of them accuse me of copying them like Second one I'm not saying... What, a second one? I'm not saying... Like an enlarged one.

Second stretch. Like, I'm not saying that either of them has one. I doubt that Tramp Stamp is part of the clean girl aesthetic. If anything, the opposite. But like, my point is just that there's a finite number of like trendy places that people put tattoos. And I don't think that you can lay claim to putting a mark on a particular spot on your body.

Like there's only so many of them. Yeah, and Mikhail says tattoo fads are definitely a thing. And it's like, I don't know, man. Like I just even, and you know what? There's, like I said, the article's really good and it does a good job of allowing them to kind of lay out what they think is it should be protected about their business but I got to say as someone who's in the influencer game

even though you know a lot of what we do is more akin to vlogging or reviewing as definitely participates in Affiliate programs Honey What you do ain't unique and if someone's copying your style Then that's good and keep innovating I've been doing this for one of them one of them is 24. Okay, I have been doing this since More than half the time they've been alive. I have been doing this since since the one of them was seven years old And let me tell you

What you did when you first started it's not gonna work today, and what you're doing today is not gonna work tomorrow. Platforms, come and go. Content formats, come and go. Visual styles, come and go. You probably shouldn't have gotten that tattoo because, you know, now you've marked yourself as like, you know, Gen Z or whatever. No, in all seriousness, get whatever tattoos you want. The point is just that everything is impermanent. And if you expect like your signature tattoo to be like a thing and stay fresh and hip forever, you got another thing coming.

That is not how this works. I'm sorry. Yeah. Next topic? Yeah, let's do it. Anyway, read the article. It's really good. It's probably the best piece

that I've read on the verge in years. Yeah, we don't want to cannibalize other people's stuff. So just go check it out yourself. Kate, do you want to talk about the Power Supply efficiency? No, there's one thing I'm gonna read off of it first. This is really funny. It's like the, what is it, the byline, the sub headline? I don't know, I don't come from print.

One Amazon influencer makes a living posting content from her beige home, but after she noticed another account hawking the same minimal aesthetic, a rivalry spiraled into a first of its kind lawsuit. Can the legal system protect the vibe of a creator? And what if that vibe is basic? Oh, I should call her a basic bitch without saying it. I love it. That's actually pretty good. Anyway, it's great. It's great because there's this undertone of like, okay, this is all ridiculous, right?

Like Emperor's New Clothes, like we all know this is ridiculous, right? But she tackles the subject matter with such energy and almost like doe-eyed innocence. I don't know that this is ridiculous, that you have to admire it. It's a really stylish article. It's really good. Okay. All right. Sorry, Luke, go ahead. Speaking of really good articles. Oh, okay. Good. That's a good intro. So Linus just dropped this in the topic suggestion chat with no context. And I had no idea, like, okay, is he going to try to roast us or what's the plan here? The intro at the beginning of this show seemed positive, so that's cool. But yeah, I thought this was a great... This was not my idea. I thought this was a great this was not my idea I thought this was a great idea looks and only did a fantastic job but yeah what do you want to discuss in particular I just want to talk about how

the lab is quietly doing some really cool stuff and a massive shout out only and Lucas and this is pretty cool on LTD labs comm I came across this completely organically someone actually linked it to me on social media. I did not go to like my own website I own and see it. Like someone sent it to me. And it's really cool. When we tested the Corsair SF850L power supply, we noticed that both the Box and Corsair's website said it was 80 plus gold certified. However, when we checked Clear Results database, it was actually rated as platinum. How interesting of a thing is that? Why on this green earth would

Corsair, a company that allegedly likes to sell you products, rate their product gold when the certifying body that tested it says it's platinum, a higher efficiency standard. This is such an interesting question and is exactly, this is exactly what the point of the f***ing lab is. This is, this is the, this is the whole point. This is why, this is why we needed to test it. Okay, so this is super cool. Anyway, naturally, we reached out to Corsair to ask why. Naturally, we reached out to Corsair to ask why. But before we dive into it, okay, so we do a little explanation of gold, silver, and bronze. We talk about what efficiency means. It's a really nice little primer. You know, like,

used to exist back in the day of, like, written, you know, articles and stuff. Coming back to it, boom, blue balls, go read it. Yeah, we did some tuning. We're still trying to learn about white writing for web, right, like it's different. And also the lab site is a little bit different. Like something that I've been kind of trained on almost is when I'm reading articles,

if I see a link in an article, I'm going to expect that it's probably not linking to me what I actually want. I don't know if you've experienced this, but I've experienced a lot of whenever there's a link in an article, they find some way to shoehorn it into linking to their own site no matter what, even if it makes no sense. And ours are just like the link that you would expect it to be. It's like when you opened the I think it was the the clear. Yeah, it actually went to clear his website instead of just like a

backlink to our own website. So we're trying to be legit in that way. There is actually no functional way for us to profit off of the blogs right now. Nice. There's no ads on them. There's nothing there's nothing like that. So we're just genuinely actually trying to make them really good. Super cool. I think they're good. Yeah, check it out. Yeah. And I would like to point out that the whole like power supply circuit thing kind of working. Check this out. Okay. circuit thing. Kind of working. Check this out. Okay. Recent video from four days ago, 880 views, 880 people watch that. That's that's I know that's not a W. But relax, hold on a second.

Let's go back a little bit. This is why this exists. Let's look at everything from around a month ago. Oh, 2000, 2000, 2000, two and a half thousand, 2000 views. Okay, let's go back a little bit farther. Let's go back a little bit farther. Four and a half thousand, two and a half thousand, 3000, one and a half, 4.7 thousand, 6.2 thousand. That's what these videos are for. They're meant to be a resource and we're building.

We're building a library. And you know what the thing is? Libraries are built a book at a time. So it's gonna take time, but in time, guys, this is it. This is the library of how good a power supply is. And I'm just, I'm extremely happy. I'm extremely excited for the work that those guys are doing. This is freaking awesome. All right. Oh, I'm supposed to do sponsors. Oh yeah, we gotta pay for it somehow. The show is brought to you by JumpCloud.

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Merch messages and a bug now, apparently. Free merch messages. All right, hit me, Dan. Sure. Hey, Dynas, Luke and Lan, with LMG's address being public and having held events at the studio, have you had disruptive fans? Have you had to put on extra focus on employee safety? That's a really good question. You know what? For the most part,

our community is extremely respectful of our personal boundaries. We have signs up outside. personal boundaries. We have signs up outside. We've talked about it on the WAN show. There have been a couple of notable exceptions where people think that because they're here they're entitled to, you know, an audience of some sort and the reality of it is that in our business that's a safety issue and that's just not something that we can entertain. We have processes for these kinds of things Don't show up here. You won't get a tour. You won't get You won't get a selfie like it doesn't work like that And no, it's it's a really good question

But overall people have been super super respectful and actually we have found that there has been a reduction in interest in our location and interest in we have found that there has been a reduction in interest in our location and interest in infringing on our privacy ever since we, he almost dropped it. Dan, infringing on our privacy, I thought you were taking it away, what are you doing? What did you do? It had what in it?

He says it had animals in it. What is happening? Am I missing something? Sorry, it had the bug that was crawling around all over it. Oh, okay. Now it is somewhere else. Ah, cool. Sorry to interrupt.

Yeah, so actually people have been better about it ever since we just published our address on Google Maps. Like, it's one of those things where it takes a ton of the intrigue out of it. Like I'd like do that. It kinda sucked back in the house. People were trying to come by. Like we were a way smaller channel back then and people would try to come by more often.

Yeah. High spoofed him says regarding the security issue, if I travel from New Zealand, can I inquire about looking around the studios and pre arranging a time for this? Unfortunately, the answer is no we do meetups and we do tours sometimes we've done it as part of LTX for example, but other than that the answer has to be no because No disrespect, but I don't know who you are right and

When we're not set up for it, we're not set up for it. And we can't be set up for that kind of thing every day. This is an office. This is a production studio. We're working, right? We do have fun. I think we genuinely have fun sometimes, but we have a job to do and we can't have random disruptions like that. Tony B486 says the

White House gives tours. Well good for them! I hear if you go in January it's it's like free. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no our laptop partners have given about the framework investment. I think in about the like two to six weeks after I announced the investment, I had a couple laptop sponsors kind of go, like, is this going to affect your coverage of us and our ability to work with you in a sponsored capacity in any way? And I don't think a single deal was so much as delayed by it. Like, literally, no offense to Framework. I love Framework.

I love their mission. I am invested personally in Framework and the success of their mission. The rest of the industry does not even acknowledge the existence of their mission. The rest of the industry does not even acknowledge the existence of Framework. Zero, zero. Like, whatever. I don't think they see Framework as a competitor.

I don't think Framework has competitors. Framework has a product that is very unique and very Framework, which is a really cool thing that they've managed to do in such a commodity space as laptops, right? Like that's incredible. To build a laptop in this day and age that actually has a unique identity and value and story.

That's, and I mean story without getting into some cheesy thing about how every one of them is made out of some rock that you found on a mountain or something, right? Like like a real story. I think that's really incredible, but it's a really small niche and I just I just don't think that the main manufacturers acknowledge it. I hope that that that changes someday but I don't know if I see a path to that right now. I mean I hope I hope though. That's all I have to say about that and I don't think that as much speculation as there might be about my biases or whatever else,

I don't think that I've shown any bias in favor of framework. I go out of my, in fact, if anything, I treat them very much like the coach's son. I go out of my way to be, to scrutinize them so that I will not be perceived as having a bias, which is actually a bias of sorts, but it's not the kind that anyone gets mad at me about, so I guess it's fine. Yeah, yeah.

If you're going to have one, that's probably the better one to have. Oh, that's the safer one to have because it's so much easier for us to, it's so much easier for us to just kind of put on our, like, well, if anything, I go hard at them shield, right? And it's like, well, yeah, what do you get? Like you can be like mad about your perceived conflict or whatever else, but the reality of it is, I'm still gonna promote LG, I'm still.

Still gonna daily my Snapdragon machine machine from HP like whatever. Did you think my audio cut out? Oh apparently he's fixing something with Dan in the background. All right cool. No I just I just stopped I just stopped talking mid seconds mid sentence. I ain't doing nothing. Um what is beeping though? I don't know.

Yeah another merch message? Okay. Hello everyone. Been a long time enjoyer of the show. Question for Linus. Working with engineers, what have you learned or became interested in? I'm hoping to study outside of school to become one.

Oh man, almost every... Talking to someone who is knowledgeable and passionate about just about anything is super interesting. I never thought that I would care. And I'm talking about Tatiana's spot on the double sweet 16 stream again. I never thought that I would care about fabric weights and composition.

But you talk to somebody like that about it, and you're like, dang, this is cool. You know, and it's the same. You know, you talk to someone like Tynan. And I'll use a non-work example. You know, Tynan's, I'm not gonna, okay, I don't wanna give away any personal information, but Tynan knows a lot about rehabilitation equipment and like workplace ergonomic equipment.

He knows a lot about that. I'm not going to explain why. And talking to him about that stuff, it's just like, it's cool. There's so much more to like rehab than just, you know, taking it easy or whatever else. I'm trying to think of like, oh man, they never let me talk to Nate in merch meeting because the project that he's working on is a very long term project and the reality of it is that I don't really need to talk to him for him to keep working on it. But I love talking to Nate about it because he, I think, believes extremely strongly in the product that he's building for LTT Store right now and is genuinely excited about telling me about the roadblocks that he's able to overcome and some of the exciting features that we might be able to have and just...

everything. Everything is cool when you dig deep enough into it. Or maybe it isn't. But if it isn't for you, then I think, you know, you got to learn to be curious. I think you genuinely have to learn to be curious. I don't think that everyone naturally has the instinct or the impulse to ask a follow-up question. And because if they did, then everyone would have, you know, the same coverage, say for example,

of a new news story. But if someone else's is deeper, it's because they had the curiosity to ask another question. And I think that's something that you have to practice. You think, do you think that's a modern thing? Do you think that's because of the internet? No. No, I don't think so.

I think that if anything, like literacy should have made us more curious. If anything, I think, and I think that historically our capacity for exploration and digging deeper into things was lower. I think we were, I think as a species, we accepted easy answers without the same critical thought that largely people, at least attempt to give it today. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. All right. Well, sorry, what are we supposed to be doing, Dan? One more Merch message, and then we're moving on to more topics.

Neat. Okay, sure. Thanks for the WAN show. I love listening every week. I teach at a digital art high school. What tips could you give for throwing a small LAN party? Maybe 20 to 50 students and maybe some specific games that would work well. Well, first things first, I can tell you that 20 to 50 is a big range. 20 is a reasonable size LAN party. I would say that's a medium size LAN party.

50 is big. 50 is big? Yeah, 50 is big. So you are, yeah, the 50 is a freaking lot to coordinate, because as soon as it's bigger than a lobby, right, as soon as it's bigger than one lobby, all of a sudden, it's either like free for all, and people are just playing World of Warcraft on their computers over in that corner, and they're doing whatever over there. Or you are like managing multiple events, right? Because almost there's almost nothing where you're gonna have 50 people playing concurrently at the same time. So what I would say is I would say limit your seat count to some decide on your games and then limit your seat count to something that you can actually

manage and if you can I would publish the games and schedule that you're planning to play ahead of time. People will hate it. They'll be mad about it. That you're just like, this is the game we're playing from this time to this time, and this is the next game we're playing, and this is the next game we're playing. But when the event is done, they will have had way more fun. And they like won't know why. The other good thing about doing like a 16 seat or something like that, like eight to 12 to 16, is that managing power is gonna be a lot easier.

Like you can probably do about three computers per circuit if you're in North America, maybe four or five, if you're over in Europe. When you have like 50 people now you're talking like you have to drag extension cords from every corner of the house or the facility in order to power all these computers. When you when you just have like 12 people you're dragging like three or four circuits over and you're gonna have a lot fewer like blown circuit breakers. I was gonna be my biggest point is when you start getting to

numbers like 50, you're now like investing in infrastructure, instead of just having some buddies over and maybe buying like a very cheap switch. When you're at 50, you're you're, you know, tables, chairs, power delivery, networking. I mean, they work at a school, so presumably they have tables and chairs, but yeah. Yeah, that helps. They asked for specific games. Luke, what are your favorite LAN party games?

I mentioned Savage. If it's it's incredibly old at this point, but if you can if you can somehow acquire ISOs, because I don't know if there's any other way to get it genuinely. It's a great game for when you have very large groups of people and you want everyone to play the same game, especially if you have separate rooms of people and you want everyone to play the same game, especially if you have separate rooms of people and you want people to play the same game,

especially if you're at a school and one of the desks has like a projector screen. So you can have your like commander player with the projector screen and then everyone else's individual units. It's like actually sensational for that specific use case. Outside of that, I don't know, all the classic things. Halo CE is just genuinely a really good land game. I think Counter-Strike, if you limit it to people that don't actively play, is a really good land game.

Jumping in a giant TF2 lobby can be a lot of fun. That's very fun. Yeah, you can spark servers that way. So if you don't necessarily have enough people to make a game like TF2 fun just within your LAN, if you have enough people to make the server look active, you can jump into a type that you want. Say you want like 24-7 gold rush or whatever it's called, you could like jump in there. And then you have enough people in there that other people

will join the server as well, which is cool. We've got to play that first game Savage, we've got to play that at the first whale and because you've told me about it so many times and I've never played it. It's it was old when I used to play it and I used to play it when I was in university. So it's like it's pretty old at this point. But it's it's yeah, if you have two, like commander projector screen type people, because basically one player on each team plays an RTS, and everyone else on those teams plays essentially an FPS. Whoa, whoa, whoa, there's Savage Resurrection. What's that? From eight years, coverage from eight years ago.

Oh yeah, I don't know. Here, what is this? So this video is from The War Owl, has a quarter million views. I know that creator, yeah. This video is a paid promotion by S2 Games for Savage Resurrection, so it must be a cult classic from the tail end of the second Golden Age of Gaming returns with Savage Resurrection. Was ahead of its time in 2003, well today is today Savage has returned. So here it is. Yeah, apparently there's a relatively modern Savage Luke Interesting no idea. Yeah

We're gonna have to try it. I don't know if it's any good, but we'll definitely have to try it I'm gonna hear I'll click. I'll click. I'll go to the same stores. Ooh reviews mixed I'll click I'll click I'll go to the same store. Oh reviews mixed Don't be miss sentence don't be misguided by the positive reviews this game is dead There's no one online and no single-player content devs made it pretty clear. They won't be supporting this game anymore Do not buy this is from September of 2016 I mean that makes sense that makes sense. That makes sense. I'm not surprised by that at all. Yeah.

So, yeah. The first Savage even, I remember when someone was talking to me about it, I was like, how does this make any sense? Like this almost isn't viable outside of land parties at schools. Like how is this game possibly viable at all? Notice at the request of the publisher, Savage Resurrection is unlisted on Steam

and will not appear in search. So this game is actually dead. Can you buy a game that's unlisted though? I actually don't know and I'm not logged into Steam on this computer so I'm kind of curious now. We're going to have to try it. I'm looking at it right now on the website. It doesn't...

You can't buy it. Man, this is sad. The fact that games just are removed from storefronts and that's it. So sad. Apparently there's also Savage XR. So it's a 16v16 game with human commanders. So I think that means, I don't think that... 34 players. Maybe it's 15 versus 15 and then commanders. Either way that's pretty cool.

I'm not sure. Apparently Savage XR is something as well. What's that? Savage XR, download the RTS and FPS game. Okay, well this is a website. The first, the free real-time strategy shooter for Windows, Linux, and Mac play for free. Be a commander or a warrior. Savage XR, the successor of the 2003 the battle from New Earth takes the best of him. Yeah, interesting. Okay, well, cool. That's

probably that's probably worth checking out at some point maybe I don't know. Nice website though. Yeah, I don't know if their publishers or their developers still doing anything or not. I do know that when there was that big rush for like Dota style games, they I'm pretty sure they were the ones that made Heroes of New Earth because I think Savage was, yeah, Savage the battle for New Earth. There's some random history there. Alright. Um, there's some, some random history there. All right.

Let's see. Why don't we do our next topic? Gaming in the USA is about to get terrible. Yeah, I know. On November 25th, President-elect Trump promised a flat 25% tariff on goods coming into America from both Canada and Mexico, as well as a 10% tariff on goods from China. Some examples of things the US imports from these countries are about 60% of their crude

oil imports, those come from Canada, almost a billion dollars worth of sugar from Mexico, but probably more relevant to our audience, a lot of tech products from China. For example, the Xbox Series X is almost entirely manufactured in China, as well as a ton of PC components. Discussion question here is, would manufacturing move back to the USA to help circumvent these tariffs? And we probably aren't going to get into a ton of detail on this on Wancho, because we have a full video coming about this Over the next little bit. I think it's oh actually it's coming out on Sunday We basically kind of dive into the politics aside Math is math

Why this is going to affect prices at the till and why now may be a good time to kind of jump on a new PC or some new electronics. Our other discussion question though is, do you see any side effects from this, either positive or negative, other than just higher priced electronics? higher-priced electronics. And one of the examples is Riley had an interesting take where, or he saw an interesting take, where maybe subscription-based gaming services could boom because people don't want to buy the hardware, but wouldn't be paying a tariff tax on something like GeForce Now. on something like GeForce Now? Could we see like an unexpected benefactor, or not benefactor, a beneficiary of this? Do you think things like GeForce Now might go up in price though, as they have to pay more for their hardware? No, because my understanding is Nvidia

does a lot of their manufacturing with With Foxconn in Taiwan don't quote me on it being in Taiwan But I'm pretty sure that Nvidia's first-party cards are not manufactured in China Which is why founders editions were so cheap last time around So just because Nvidia's saving on tariffs on their cards doesn't mean that their retail price will necessarily be reasonable. But what it does mean is that their costs are fine. So they'd be happy to lease you those cards.

Yeah, if they see the competition going more expensive because of tariffs, they'll just go with them probably. Well, we talk about that in the video, how even if you've moved your manufacturing out, if the competitive landscape shifts and everyone's paying this price anyway, you just, hey, thanks for the margin. So, we kind of get into the corporate logic that accompanies the decision making process that leads to things like shrink flation and just generally higher prices.

Did you guys talk about the whole, I don't know the proper terminology for it, but when there's effectively a shell company in a country that's not being tariffed, and you like, you sell your goods to them, ship it to them, and then they sell it to the states? We didn't talk about that. We basically just focused on the very, very, very

simple dumbed down version of just like, hey, when costs go up, price go up. Because as much as that may be common sense to a lot of people, it seems like there are some people who don't that I mean there's a lot of people that didn't even know what tariffs are so yeah it was really if you have you looked at the Google Trends no oh this is really funny check this out hold on hold on wait it, wait for it.

Check this out, you're gonna love this. Let's look at the past 90 days for no particular reason. Interest over time for search term tariffs spiked on, you guessed it it November 26th, I wonder why I don't remember November the 8th. It reached its 61% of its November 26 high pretty funny of its November 26th high. Pretty funny. Pretty interesting. Yep. So, or wait, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, point of clarification. The, the, the rise, sorry, sorry, sorry, I do know the answer to that.

The rise after the, after, this is really funny, after the election was people being like wait what and then this was the recent announcement. Oh gotcha yeah yeah it's pretty yeah pretty good pretty good um yeah so there was like a big peek in the lead up to the election and then like a bunch of people figuring out after the election what tariffs were. All right, so that's uh, that's something. So uh, yeah, good luck everybody. Should be good. Yep, cool. Uh, anyway, yeah, so we have a video coming on that. Uh, what else? Oh, here's a big topic. Yeah, so we have a video coming on that. What else we... Oh, here's a big topic.

HexOS has entered early access beta. So Luke, Eshtec, this is the NAS software company. This is my second investment. And this one was at a very different stage. This was like angel level level, like like first money into the company that is not from the devs directly. Um, Eshtec, the NAS software company that I've personally invested in, announced yesterday, Thursday the 28th, that HexOS is going into early access beta. We actually have a full video coming tomorrow that is the first time that I saw it. I gave them the money two years ago. Can you believe it's been two years? Two years ago and in that two years I literally didn't see it other than a couple little like mock-ups of

what the vibe was gonna be. Like I hadn't gotten to try it at all. Jake got to try it before I got to try it. He got on a call with John. John got them all set up with the beta and he like set it up and got some demos ready for us to do this video. So that video, the video coming tomorrow is me, fresh eyes, hadn't seen it before, getting to experience HexOS and have some idea if they have a shot at all. Pretty exciting. To celebrate the launch, Eshtec is offering their lifetime license.

I talked to them about lifetime license. I was like, look, I understand subscriptions are the way of the future. They support developers. They actually genuinely do. Not every company is all about just like ringing as much blood from their customer stone as possible through subscriptions. Sometimes it's just about having a sustainable business model, I get that.

But I told them it was very important to me that a lifetime license would exist. They have taken that extremely seriously. A lifetime license will exist. It will that extremely seriously a lifetime license will exist it will be $300 per machine later right now it is $99 it's $100 which is kind of nuts well remember people are taking a risk people are taking a risk though yeah F-Tech is a brand new company, literally brand new company. They just went out of hiding

and maybe they don't exist in the future, right? We acknowledge that in the video and we talk about, you know, what the mitigations would be for that, right? $100 is a lot to give something that is early access and something that we've talked about a lot on this channel, pre-ordering, right? But there are mitigations. So one is that it's built on top of true NAS so even if they were to disappear you would still have a true

NAS NAS that's still true NAS and number two is that they're offering a 30-day trial period where they will offer a refund if you're not happy with the product so that helps a lot so, $99 for Black Friday, that will be available until December the 2nd. After that, early access to the lifetime license will be $200. So yeah, the video is going to go into a lot more detail, but the goal of HexOS is to focus on creating a user-friendly and simple interface so anyone who could set up, anyone who could install Windows XP should be able to install, configure, and use HexOS is basically where we're at. Actually maybe a little better than Windows XP is what we would strive for.

And that doesn't just include like file sharing. That should include things like buddy backup, which we'll talk about in the video. That should include things like setting up apps, whether it's like Plex or Image. Some of those just needlessly obtuse to set up and get working, just to have the basic functionality that you want going. And there's been kind of two takes. There's been two takes on this. One of the takes I've seen is this is stupid, right? Like what it's just a skin for true. Nose like I already have true Nose like they sorry they want how many hundreds of dollars and then the other take from people who

Don't post on reddit has been to throw money at F tech To say that they've had a pretty good initial launch would be a gross understatement because as it turns out the number of people that want the the reliability and the trustworthiness of TrueNAS but don't want to faff about with arcane permissions and processes on TrueNAS is actually pretty big. So it's it's been an exciting couple of days for those guys and yeah I'm extremely proud of them, really happy for them. It's it's it's pretty exciting. Elijah actually has a comment in here he says won't lie kind of bummed out seeing

how many people missed the point of this software and just immediately complained about the price. Personally I think 300 bucks is totally fine for a lifetime license to software, especially because I spent over an hour trying to figure out Plex on my TrueNAS setup, lol. And then highlighted a comment that in particular made him upset, but I'm not even going to bother reading the comment because it's okay. I'll read one part of the comment. It said, just get a QNAP for a little bit more it's like right but that QNAP you can't upgrade that's that's how they get you that's the subscription is if you ever want more base or if you ever want a decent amount of processing

power you're gonna have to buy a new one software Software baby, software! So yeah, pretty exciting. People have a lot of pretty good questions. Yeah, Robo Tech. Robo Tech asks, can HexOS run offline without any connection to their deck login? That was something that they bunged up in their initial messaging for the product. Right now, you have to connect to the cloud dashboard, but at launch, they will have a local-only dashboard. And the reason for that- They also should necessarily buy things on a promise of features.

Yes, yes, yes, that. But I believe that they have heard the community and understand the importance of local management. I mean, I told them the same thing. I actually found out about the lack of local management from that interview. And I was like, yo, I wouldn't use it if it couldn't be accessed without an internet connection.

And they're like, okay. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Rysa asks, does the lifetime membership include all future updates? To my knowledge, it does. The best thing to do though, would be to go to the hex OS website. So it's a hex OS calm h e x o s.com. There's some things that are still a little bit hard to like, in the text right above the deal, it says get early access to HexOS Beta, unlimited access to HexOS and all its core features, asterisk.

So they will add new features that may be paid features because some of the features that they add are going to have costs on their side. So they're doing some, like kind of, okay, yeah, you don't use Home Assistant. But for any of you out there who use Home Assistant, for instance, you can set up Home Assistant for unpaid remote access, or you can pay them a subscription, and they make it way simpler, they streamline the remote access process. And the reason that you have to pay a very, very reasonable subscription fee for that is that there are infrastructure costs on their end to maintain it.

So I think the reason for the asterisk is that they will introduce features in the future that will be paid features because there's ongoing costs. You will not get anything that has an ongoing cost. For example, if they were to have a... yeah, go ahead. I completely agree with what you're saying. The problem in my opinion is the wording doesn't sound like that. The Asterix says some features will not immediately be available in HexOS Beta, but a lifetime license grants you access to all features of HexOS forever,

including con-based backup, premium support services, and other metered services, which makes it sound, you know, considering it says all features including other metered services, it sounds like quite literally everything is included forever to any degree, which doesn't seem legit because that doesn't make any sense in my opinion. I'm trying to find their forum. It's hub.hexos.com. If you guys have any questions, that's by far the best place to post it because like I said, the first time I saw HexOS was like a week ago when we filmed that video so take everything that I'm saying for what it is everything that I'm saying for what it is did I just dyslexia word oh oh

freaking me out here cuz that really did sound pretty bad. That makes no sense. And that makes sense because it didn't make any sense because I read it wrong. Excluding all the things that wouldn't make sense like cloud based backup premium support services and other media services. Okay. Good gravy. Great. Anyway, the last thing that I wanted to say about HexOS is that the coolest part of this project is that the other investor is Xsystems. And if you don't know who Xsystems is, here's a hint. They make TrueNez.

Oh, wow, no way. Yeah. That's kind of cool actually. Yeah, so this is one of those things where I feel like a lot of people have gone, why would I want Hexo-Az? I have TrueNAS. Well, yeah, if you know how to admin TrueNAS, then by all means, no one's telling you that you've like, if you don't need the hand holding then that's fine. But what I suspect is that for every one vocal person,

for every one vocal person who is saying like, this is stupid, I'll just roll TrueNAS, there's probably a hundred people who have no interest in learning TrueNAS. TrueNAS is an enterprise tool. TrueNAS is not designed for home users. And it never, as far as I can tell, based on that I've given them a lot of the feedback that I gave to the HexOS team about what HexOS should look like and they haven't implemented it. TrueNas is never going

to be a consumer tool and the fact that they invested in HexOS seems to be acknowledgement of that. They know they have a great product, stable product, a good product but it isn't this product and they were like okay well we could just invest in this product and then we have a piece of it and then they can make it That's cool. By the way, John from John from ash tech is texting me. He's like, oh my god, Luke Stop I just saw it Yeah, he's like, what the fuck? Blowing up my phone.

Well, if it's any consolation, I'm just like buying it right now. So I'm paying for my mistake. All right. OK, I think he'll get over it then. Anyway, cool. So I'm really excited about it. Really proud of what the team has done. You guys are gonna see it in way more detail tomorrow.

It's the product that only exists because John and Eric, the founders and I share this belief that a DIY NAS shouldn't be hard. You shouldn't have to understand like, like what's the, what is it ACL? Like the access control permissions thing? I still don't understand ACL. Yeah, you shouldn't.

It's so hard. You shouldn't have to understand ACL to set up a Plex container. You shouldn't have to understand ACL to set up a Plexa container. You shouldn't have to. You should just... like the funny thing is is a lot of these a lot of these NAS platforms, like they have an App Store, but they have fundamentally failed to understand what makes the App Store. And when I say the App Store, I mean Apple's App Store, they have fundamentally misunderstood what makes the App Store the App Store. One click.

That's what makes something an App Store. That's the aspiration. And you know what, there's going to be stuff that's going to still be challenging on XOS because you can't do anything about how an open source developer of a particular app or container implements it. You can't be in charge of that. But what you can do is you can create tutorials. What you can do is you can simplify

as many things as possible. I mean, even Jake, he was telling me about this just like off camera before we even started this project. He's like, yeah, dude, I looked at image, like on a weekend and He's like, yeah, dude, I looked at image, like on a weekend. And I was like, nope. And he went back and he figured it out later because he likes a challenge,

but he's the kind of person who literally does this stuff for fun. And he's like, what are all these parameters? Why do I need all of this? I just, I want my pictures to from here to there. That's all I care about. Understanding what an average user actually cares about is something that I just I feel like a lot of Folks don't and and that's something that that the ash tech team is really passionate about

I would again Yeah, I'm very excited about this if it if it if it's any consolation to John, because I screwed up reading their site, I just bought it. So hopefully that helps. But he wants a pound of flesh to remember it's it's software in a beta right? He says buy two. He says buy two right now. Don't don't listen. Don't listen to him. Don't listen. One's enough. Pay my penance. I'm only buying one. I'm going to probably use Linus as my buddy backup. Yeah, man. I told Jake I wanted to do it as an employee perk. Because we could make a video about it.

We could make a video about building the cheapest petabyte or something like that. I think we'd have to cap certain people like Jake. But if we had like a buddy backup target at the office, that would be an offsite backup that wouldn't have an ongoing monthly cost. And that's like, that's the idea. That's the nirvana that I would think that making NAS more accessible could achieve. And in the long term, I could see them monetizing it. I could see them building their own like hex cloud or like hex token.

And I know as soon as you talk about tokens or coins or whatever, everything gets real cringe. But hold on a second. That's an actual like valid... There are legitimate uses for it. Yeah. Super cool. Yeah. I think I think their payment portal might be having some trouble. Yeah, it's probably it's not the first time I asked john how much I was allowed to share about the success that they've enjoyed over the

last little bit. And he said, you can say that our mail servers went down from the surge when we launched and we've been blown away by the initial response and the first beta invites went out tonight. Yeah, very, very great job. Also, it took a long time, but it did process it went through. So like their stuff is working. Good job. Riley's comment is so funny.

Okay, I'm going to read that comment that made Elijah mad. It said, with this $300, you can buy yourself a Linux course or book and it will be infinitely more useful throughout your life. It will teach you how containers work and you'll be able to install any Linux distribution of your choice, install Docker plus Compose or Podman plus Quadlet or Kubernetes

and set up your own NAS. As a bonus, you'll have a marketable skill. Riley's comment on this is, I ain't doing all that. Yeah, Riley's got it. Based Riley. That's just true. Elijah says I made the exact same face, Luke. Elijah doesn't get it. Dude, it's just true. Elijah says I made the exact same face, Luke. Elijah doesn't get it.

Dude, it's so painful. I like, I don't know, I deeply respect the whole Home Lab idea, especially for IT people. But some people don't want to do that. And even people that want to, you know, do professional development in their own free time, you know, maybe they don't want to do professional development on that in particular. It's a crazy idea to some people that just because someone fixes their motorcycle doesn't mean they want to fix their washing machine. Just because someone fixes their washing machine and their motorcycle doesn't mean they wanna fix their computer. There are things that I DIY,

like Dan loves this story about how I DIY'd putting new rubbers into my windshield wipers. So big. Because I didn't wanna like throw away the entire apparatus and I read somewhere that you could just replace the rubber and it was a whole ordeal. He loves that. But the rubber and it was a whole ordeal. He loves that. But the reality of it is, when my, I'm trying to think of something, when my garbarator

dies I'll probably just hire a plumber to come put it in. I don't do everything myself because there are things that I'm passionate about or I want to learn about or that I'm interested in or that I have some requisite knowledge for I'll usually spend a little bit of time figuring it out myself like when I installed my Ludwig bidet I did that myself I'm not gonna hire a plumber to do something stupid like that like there's you know Everyone's got their limits and everyone's got their passion projects But nobody has time to learn everything and some people just want to pick their battles and for some people that battle is not a NAS

It ain't true NAS and that's okay. And that's okay. Like if you you know make enough money you know riding surfboards and f***ing beautiful women or whatever that you can afford to hire someone else to fix your computer then like that's great and if and if you make enough money fixing computers that you can afford to Buy a surfboard and wait, okay. Hold on this this breaks down a little bit. The point is just that Some people are some people do sure, yeah If you go okay

The FTC the FTC is warning that a failure to commit to software support could be illegal. A new FTC report warns companies that failing to disclose how long they'll offer official support for their products may be illegal under the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act. The report has been praised by public interest groups concerned about software tethering, which makes devices reliant on software updates from the manufacturer, and companies randomly deciding to brick devices like the Spotify car thing. The FTC examined 184 smart products and found that nearly 89% of manufacturers did not disclose this information on their product web pages.

And if they do include it, some manufacturers bury this information in spec support pages or footnotes, and some use ambiguous language like lifetime technical support. Failing to disclose software support information could violate the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which requires warranties to include a clear description of what is covered. So hey, Eshtec, John, I know you're watching right now. Make sure you're doing this. Cool. Thanks. That's my investor advice. Okay, it could also violate the FTC Act if the omissions or misrepresentations about software support are likely to mislead consumers. I don't know what to say other than Lena Kahn based and I'm going to be so sad to see her go and I really hope that all these balls that she started rolling don't just immediately get destroyed.

Lena Kahn, we want you here in Canada. If you're tired of what's going to happen to all the great work that you and your organization have done over the last little while. That'd be sweet. You can come run it if you want. Yeah, honestly, I'd vote. I'd vote immediately. Do we have the same rules as the US where you can't be Prime Minister if you're not a naturally born Canadian? You can't be President if you're not born in America. Can you be Prime Minister if not born in Canada? Look that auto completed.

23 people have served as Prime Minister since the office came into existence in 1860. Really? Only 23 people? Wow, okay. 19 have been born in Canada. Four have been born outside of Canada, including John A. MacDonald, who's kind of a big deal prime minister or whatever. He's on our money. I don't actually know what he did. Yeah, pretty important.

I don't know. I think they should just take him off and put Terry Fox on the money, but that's just me. Yeah! Dan wasn't talking into his mic, but he agrees. No, that came through, actually. Yeah, that's why I sit over here sometimes. That's why I sometimes yell really loud while I'm over here, so it just comes through your mics.

It's a fact. You need to be able to speak French. I don't know, Lena Kahn's based enough that she could probably learn French. I think she'd figure it out. Yeah, I would like her more if she didn't. Yeah, but you're British. I mean, your biases are- Your biases are-

Oh, everyone who isn't British is foreign. That's how it works. Someone posted on the subreddit, is Dan British? And I was like, yeah, but we like him anyway. Yes. It's where the dry wit comes from. One of those Canadians are the good ones.

Don't push your luck. Intel's Battle Mage leaks. Intel's latest GPU known as Battle Mage Arc may be launching soon according to leaks. Amazon leaks, that's a sentence fragment. Anyway, leaks of pricing seem to fall in the 250 to $260 range, with one leaker implying that there will only be

desktop GPUs not discrete laptop GPUs this time around. Discussion question. Do you think with Intel having a rough year so far that this could be enough to get people excited for them again? I would be willing to get excited if the performance is really good in the $250 to $260 range, man. We need a valid, affordable GPU option. I need a valid option, guys. And, and talking about software support, they have taken ARK Alchemist, first gen ARK, from basically unusable

garbage to actually working in the vast majority of games. Hardware and Box found that it worked in what was it 94 or 97 percent of games? He tested like over 250 games. That's pretty good. And the ones that didn't work, a lot of them were like old random stuff where he was basically trying to find stuff that it wouldn't work with. And, and often it wascomable because the game wouldn't work properly because it would not detect an Intel GPU as a discrete GPU and it

would think you had on board because back when that game was made Intel discrete GPU wasn't even a twinkle in Pat Gelsinger's eye. So I man I really I really hope it's any good I really hope it's any good that's it really hope it's any good. I really hope it's any good. That's it. I hope it's any good. Finally, Ubitium is developing a RISC-V based universal processor.

They're a semiconductor startup and have announced the development of a universal processor based on the RISC-V architecture. It's designed to handle a wide range of computing tasks, including CPU, GPU, DSP, on the RISC-V architecture. It's designed to handle a wide range of computing tasks, including CPU, GPU, DSP, and FPGA functionalities. Now, hold on just a gosh darn minute, because this sounds like complete hokum to me, because to be both a CPU and an FPGA, you would have to have like the efficiency and cost effectiveness of a CPU and also like the field

programmability of an FPGA because an FPGA can be a CPU just fine. It's just like not a viable one. It's not a cost effective one. And they say they would do this all on a single chip. The universal processor is based on a workload agnostic microarchitecture that allows the same transistors to be reused for different processing tasks eliminating the need for multiple specialized cores. Okay, the company has built a proof of concept emulation that shows its universal processor works, Emulation that shows its universal processor works, allowing it to secure $3.7 million in seed funding to produce a working prototype in 2025. It was founded by veterans from NVIDIA, Intel, and Texas Instruments, including CTO Martin

Vorbach, CEO Hyun Shin Cho, and Chairman Peter Weber. Vorbach spent 15 years developing the technology behind the universal processor. They planned to launch their first chips in 2026, eventually developing a complete portfolio of chips from small embedded devices to high performance computing systems, with their goal being to establish its Universal Processor as the new standard in the industry. I find this very hard to believe, but I was excited enough reading what seems like nonsense gobbledygook to me that I was like, I want this on WAN Show.

That's where I'm at on this. Neat. Good chat. Yeah. Rest Ass assured asks, I don't know why server chips from Intel didn't have FPGA sections years ago for specifically tuned functions.

And the answer is because they are so expensive and inefficient. They're so expensive. Okay, here's a great example. Those little USB fiber extender docs that I have from iKron, okay? You would think like what? I don't know. USB, right? USB over like a Cat 6 or a fiber cable or whatever, like that shouldn't be that complicated, right?

Like the data rates aren't even that high. You can do 10 gig over a Cat 6A cable. Surely you could do 5 gig. It's like, well, yeah, but it's a completely different protocol. So, are they expensive? Yes, they are. Why? Because everything in them is handled via FPGA, and they have to be high performance FPGAs because of all the translation and tomfoolery that's taking place. This is a super cool product. Very industrial product, it's meant for like, if you need to run a of like USB based cameras for machine vision or something over fiber or cat six distances. Very cool product. I use them for workstations at home because they sent them. Like I don't think

I would pay that much to have USB. Thunderbolt exists. Why does an FPGA make them so much more expensive Linus? Because in order to be field programmable, they have to be much, much lower density, and they have to be non-specialized, and they have to be changeable. So the way that they're architected is just completely different from an ASIC. But what they allow is they allow low volume products like this. Like if this was an ASIC, this thing would probably cost a third or a quarter as much. But the reason that you can't do it with an ASIC is because you would have to do the R&D that's involved in taping out an ASIC.

And that cost you would never recoup from the number of these that you could possibly sell. So certain low volume products just never make it to the non FPGA stage. Like FPGAs are often used for things like R&D for something that will become an ASIC. Another example of an ASIC based product was Red Digital Cinemas Red Rocket cards. I don't know for a fact that it's an FPGA. I don't think I ever popped the heat sink off of one, but I can tell you because it was like a $2,000 card, it's almost certainly an FPGA. And because red would have never done the volume of business that would have justified spinning, like taping out a chip. It just doesn't work that way. Yeah, FPGAs are super cool. They're just really, really expensive.

But Dan says you can also send firmware updates that update the hardware. Yes, you can update the hardware of the chip. It's super cool. It's super cool. I love them so much. Yeah. But you better be ready for like, you know, a couple hundred dollar FPGA so that you can play like, like Genesis games. It's like the power of an Arduino that costs two grand a CPU. They're, they're great. They're great.

Oh, Sammy says remember the G sync chips. Yeah, those were FPGA weren't they. If I recall correctly, they were and that was a big part of why they were so expensive. Yep. Yeah. If something seems unreasonably expensive for like how much processing power in it, isn't it? It's almost certainly because it's an FPGA and not a volume manufactured ASIC. Like what's the name of those those retro consoles? Super, super premium retro consoles that they have a Game Boy. Oh, analog. They have an old. Yeah, analog. Their stuff is largely very expensive because they have a Game Boy oh analog

is largely very expensive because they have FPGA chips yep and also because they just build premium products I mean yeah fair enough but still but also because FPGAs are expensive yeahTink is another example. I think the rest of the product is also rather premium, but she'd be costly. Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Alright, that's it for topics for today. So I think it's time for When After Dark. Very after dark for Luke. Oh yeah, it's uh... I don't know, it might be getting light soon.

It's 5.40 in the morning here. Dude, did I show you the gym? Oh wait, I did I sent you a picture? Yeah, I'm excited smash champs gym is based. I I went on the Stairmaster yesterday and the bike Just doing doing some of my cardio and it dude. It's nice It's nice. I'm really one of the first things I do when I get home is go That Jim I want to see it. I'm legitimately one of the first things I do when I get home is go to that gym. I want to see it. I the picture looks good.

Little man shows a good machine. He was just posing. Yeah, still for now. If he wants to, you know, if he wants to train in the gym in a way that will help him with badminton, that is a machine that would make sense to use. So I don't know. All right, nice. Lucky.

All right, Dan. You want some merge messages? I mean. Or do you want to self-direct? Whether I want them or not, I feel like. I mean, there's a bunch of curated ones if you want to go down the list and read them while I just pop through the rest of these.

Oh shoot, do we still have incomings? Oh, they're no longer coming in as fast. I'm just pop through the rest of these? Oh shoot, do we still have incomings? Oh, they're no longer coming in as fast. I'm just working through the backlog that was about 170. Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean, it's been, yeah, you know what? Before we get started, before we get started, now is probably a good time to tell you guys, hey, thank you so much for your support.

We are having an absolutely wild Black Friday. And the show has changed the numbers more than I expected. I just brought up the report just now. Yeah, we're having a ridiculous Black Friday. So thank you guys all for being part of the team's success here. Appreciate you all. I have been doing four a minute for the last two and a half hours. Nice.

Let's go down. So you dropped a gentle hint that you'd like me to just read them myself. If you click on the incoming merch messages at the top, it'll collapse that. Yeah, I'm already there. Okay, cool. Yeah, thanks for the tech tips.

Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, thanks for the tech tips. Yeah. Okay, Nick C didn't ask this, but I'm curious. Wanna tell us about your trip? Oh, are you not able to? Sure, yeah. No, no, no, I'm just thinking what has all even happened. Well, you almost got stuck like sleeping at a train station. Maybe I can wait to hear that station until you get back.

No, I think it's fine. All right, let's hear it. It's not near me, so like, it doesn't matter. Yeah, so I was planning on, doesn't matter. Yeah, so I was I was planning on I have this habit of traveling without much of a plan. And I actually really enjoy the outcome. I don't recommend it to anyone. But I tend to enjoy the outcome. I've had some fantastic experiences that would have never happened if I had much of a plan. But I

had an inkling of idea of something that I wanted to do before I came here, which was go snowboarding in the Alps. I knew I was gonna be somewhat close. So I brought some of my gear, obviously not my like board and boots because that's kind of a lot to haul around, but I brought a lot of my other stuff.

And I had planned to go. Now, I left a little bit late one day, but there were still trains going like it was fine. I also ended up being late to one of my... So I left a little bit late, but there was multiple trains that I could have caught afterwards, so it was going to be fine. And then Google Maps was all messed up because there was a ton of construction going on. So I ended up missing one of my trains and the next train wasn't coming for an hour. So then I was even later and I was now on the this is the last set of trains that will get you to your destination. Stage which is never good to be in especially

when you're in a country that you're not used to being in. And then I get most of the way there. I'm now many hours away from Paris, which is where I was situated for the OVH event. And there's, I wouldn't say a bunch, because I mean, it's the last train of the night. There's really not that many of us. But there was probably about like 20 or so people waiting at the station for a train.

And then the train just didn't show up. Sounds like a skill issue. Maybe you need training. Ah! There was an announcement that went over the PA, something to do with the train not showing up. And then most people just left immediately. And there was probably about like five to seven

of us left afterwards, hanging around the station, trying to figure out what's going on. Um, the station itself was actually like stunningly nice. Oddly enough, like there was, there was a client that's handy in the train station that as far as I could tell, you didn't even have to pay to like, you just had to bring your own equipment like ropes and belts because it had like the the things to to loop into while you're

going up and it's like free access climbing well plants inside super super nice train station so I was like okay well I guess this is going to be the first time I'm like homeless for a night when traveling I kind of because I travel with no plan I'm kind of thought this would happen eventually but because I travel with no plan I always thought it would be my fault not a train just not showing up So I'm like legit. I'm texting Linus Why is an Emma to be fair? I was also texting Emma But talking about like the situation that I'm in and genuinely settling in to just like sleep on a bench for the night. He wasn't happy about it.

The next train. He was super not thrilled. He was like, he was like very cranky about this prospect. It was pretty funny now that it's now that it's yeah. The main thing that was concerning me about it was that like, you know, I had my like laptop and stuff with me So, okay, I'm a pretty deep sleeper too. So like okay, I'll strap it to me and whatever but someone could just open the bag So I was I was not stoked about that But then I mean realistically the French are more likely to surrender than, like, take anything from you, so... They'll drape a big white blanket over you. Oh my goodness.

Shut up. Um... So, okay, so... They had one World War Demper ever, and they never forgot about it. They're just gonna slip a orange jacket over him, too. Stop it! He joins the fight. slip a orange jacket over him too. Stop it! He joins the fight.

You gotta stop chirping or else you're gonna start another war between the British and the French. They just lose. Like 10 billionth one. Yeah. Well, at this point, I think it would be the EU versus people that made bad decisions, but I don't know. Like leaving the EU?

The best decision? I'm not upset. I could have worked anywhere in the EU. I'm not upset. How he's stuck here. We have you for it, Dan. Got him. Okay, so yeah, one of the first things I did was like check, you know, hotels in the area.

But I went to two different ones and neither of them had any vacancies. So I was like, okay, I guess I'm screwed. I started to settle in. And then a, the people that administrated wasn't police officers, but like the people that administrate the train station came up and went to go kick everybody out. I don't think Linus knows this part of the story. Because I was trying to figure out what was going on because I was informed I might have just been dumb. Turns out I wasn't but I was still trying to figure it out. But yeah they go to kick us out of the train station. I can't understand

French so I'm just kind of like standing there watching some of the guys I was with get in a heated argument with the people that are trying to kick us out because they're like well it's the the trains fault that we're stuck here So like you shouldn't kick us out the next trains technically coming in like four hours Because the first one in the morning super early so like just let us sit here for four hours who cares Ultimately, they kick us out. I tell one of the security guards Like okay, how do I like contact the train station because I had to buy another ticket. So like, how do I get a refund for my one for today?

And he's like, Oh, it wasn't a train. It was a bus. I was like, what? So like, I was just stupid standing inside and the bus left behind me or something. Oh, man. Um, and I'm like, well, okay okay all these other people thought it was a train And I thought it was a train like did they just Were we all just wrong and he was like, yeah

I'm like, okay. Well All right. So I and i'm now being kicked out. So i'm like, okay, it's raining really bad outside I don't really want to sleep in the rain So I keep trying to find hotels I walk up they're all closed but I walk up to one of them and I just stand outside the door for like a while. And then eventually somebody comes by and just like opens the door. They had no vacancy. I go do that to another hotel and they had one room left. And it was super cheap. And actually, it was very cheap. And it had one of the best like free breakfasts I've ever had anywhere. It was super good.

That checks out. That's that's for you, man. I was stunned at how good the breakfast was. So I crashed there for like a few hours and then got back to the train station and no, the dude that kicked me out was wrong. It was a train. So I get a refund, which, which, no, I haven't figured that out yet. I'll still try to figure it out. But that was actually worse because I spent so long running around trying to find this bus. So I was literally like, especially as the time until departure kept getting closer and closer and closer, I was legitimately like sprinting around,

trying to figure out like where the hell this bus stop is. But Google Maps kept insisting, like if I looked on Google Maps, the line was on the train track. Yeah. So I was like, it's gotta be the freaking train. Well, it's a rail bus. Yeah.

I ended up figuring it out. Imagine I got on the train and it was fine. Asks a question that I know the answer to, but I feel should be acknowledged. Uber, not a thing over there. Uber to the destination that I would have gone to, if I remember correctly, was legitimately like $400. Yeah. So I'm not paying that. Yep.

No chance. I know we can afford it. But I know you won't pay it. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Which Emma was mad at me about. She didn't want me sleeping in the train station when I could have just got that Uber. Okay, okay.

But I was like, dude, there's no way. Things are about to get really spicy for a second. Things are about to get super spicy. Because I think there's gonna be a double standard in your relationship. I would have bother you. You mock her. You're not even gonna let me finish.

You mock her. You mock her. You mock her for not wanting you to sleep in the train station. But if she was gonna sleep in a train station, you 100% would be like, no, I won't allow it. 100% 100% If she didn't want to book it, I would have booked it to her location instantaneously. There's no chance.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Oh man. Yeah, I know. I know. I knew the answer before I even started talking. I was like, there is no way he would let Emma sleep in a train station

And there's to be clear this is not just Luke being some kind of manover's toxic whatever the fuck or whatever there's legitimately a far lower chance of Luke being assaulted in a far lower chance of Luke being assaulted in, you know, overnight in some remote area with no supervision or whatever. It's like actually, it is actually like a numbers game that is a very different numbers game for him versus a, you know, what, like 120 soaking wet lady, you know? Yeah.

I'm sorry. Emma, if I got that wrong one way or the other I'm so sorry I have no idea how much you weigh and if I did know because I'd look that closely I wouldn't admit it in front of Luke so that's where we're at the only reason why I know reaction to that is I don't either so All right perfect then we're good Right I'm calling her right now. No I Think the question is why is Dan have her number there boom deflected oh

oh You both know why that we do some merge messages. Yeah, we should Look Better not call. I hope she's not watching getting texts Look, what is the memory that will always make you laugh from the hacker conference? Hacker conference that will make me laugh. While you think I have a little message from a robot at dbrand, read all 1500 of these comments might be the highlight of the year.

Everyone in the org super proud. That was a it was a great video. I really enjoyed they they really did like roll out the the red carpet or the lights completely off glow-in-the-dark carpet. The the tour really was very self-guided even though obviously like I wasn't alone in the building. Let's have some common sense about it. But it was a lot of fun. It was really cool. Genuinely really cool to see their operation.

They really do make actual goods here in Canada, which is a thing that not a lot of companies do. And they run a really clean operation. They've had a few challenges lately, which they have acknowledged and have been working really hard to overcome. And they promised us that by the time this launch went up, they would have things smoothed out. And it seems like things are ticking

quite a bit better over there in terms of like communication. It's been slow communication due to some internal systems changing over. I didn't fully understand what it was because there was a bunch of jargon to do with like CRM and management systems that I don't deal with on our side like it's all run by the creator warehouse team. But I was like I nodded and I was like okay but it like it's going to be solved and they're like, yeah, we got you. I'm like, okay, but yeah, really fun They didn't say anything about the ruined vinyl they actually I never never brought it up to me. I'm sure they think it's funny though My favorite comment on the video. They actually linked me my own comment, which is funny

Was to whoever at LTT might actually read this Whoever had the idea to film a desk pad product placement in front of dbrand's unreleased stuff and have it be painstakingly blurred by the editor needs a raise. And I'm only partly joking. That level of thinking outside the box and being able to look at another company's confidential unreleased stuff and think,

this is where we film our marketing spot, it's perfect. Is a level of creativity or whatever you call it that can't be taught or trained. That was shockingly fantastic. 11 out of 10 we'll watch again. In lieu of a raise, please pass on my admiration if you don't mind. Big mad props."

And I responded, thanks. I'll give myself a raise. I've actually gotten to write a little bit more than usual lately and it's been really fun. I got to do the Equinix tour, I got to do the dbrand tour. That one wasn't really written. The Equinix tour was actually written, like I did the tour and then I wrote it. And I was like,

I never get to do that anymore. And then the dbrand one was mostly just kind of ad-libbed and they actually provided a lot of sort of guidance for what the flow would be, but I was just kind of doing my thing. Yeah, a lot of fun. And I thank you. Thank you for noticing. I also thought it was very funny.

And thank you to poor editor who had to deal with that. Thank you. All right, look. I do have an I do have an answer to that. So in general, it was it was an absolutely amazing conference. I plan to go next year. It was super fun. The people I was with was absolutely amazing. I hope I get to hang out with the same group next time. But I don't think it was like particularly noticeably high on humor. So what I

will give my answer as was the loop. The funniest thing to me the whole time I was there, I think, was the Tesla loop thing. We did that. I don't think I've talked to Linus about this at all. But you know the tunnel? Yeah. And they had it's just a car on a road, right? Like is it so stupid? It's so dumb. It's really cheap, which is nice. But you know, because of how cheap it is, they are absolutely unquestionably losing money on it hand over fist constantly because not only is it just a car on a road There's drivers It's not even like automated You actually get in a car with someone else and they drive you through this stupid tiny little loop thing

it's just it's so dumb it It could have been you know, those like, I don't actually know what you call them because escalator would would imply you're going up. But those like those flat conveyor belt kind of things that they have in airports that just make you like move faster when you're walking. Where you can stand on it. Yeah, whatever moving walkway. Sure. They just have like sidewalk,. Yeah. Moving walkway, sure. They can just have like a huge moving walkway. Travelators, they're called Travelators? That is such a cool name.

I love it. That is actually kind of a sick name. If it's not the real name, I don't care. That's my head cannon now. So they could have just had a Travelator and honestly it would have been fine because you have to wait for your stupid manually driven Tesla to show up and then you have to like quite legitimately deal with traffic and you have to buy this

Annoying ticket thing you have to do it through the app. I couldn't even buy it because like something something I don't know Canadian. So like Theo had to buy my access for me, which felt so stupid, but thank you Theo If there was just like a huge travelator, it would have been fine. It was actually just like mind-blowingly dumb to the point where it was fun. So I'll give that as my answer. All right, Dan. Hey, LLD. Thanks for the free shipping, making the most of it. Yeah, you are. Yeah.

If you had the ability to remaster a product you released, justifying the additional research and development time, what product would you work on? Ooh, remastered product. See, the thing is, I have the resources to remaster something if I really wanted to. Mmm. Remastered product.

Man, I can't even remember all the products anymore. I kind of wish we had a product archive. I've seen some customers ask us for it before. And I could actually really use it whenever people ask me stuff like this. Man, something that we didn't... H.Rogness's The Christmas Album. Absolutely not. Good try. Good try. Good try. Oh, is that why you curated that stupid thing?

Absolutely not. Oh, is that why you curated that stupid thing? Absolutely not. Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. For once in my life, I'm being honest with you. I don't know if I believe you. I don't know if I believe you at all. Yeah. What if a remastered version

of the Christmas album existed? Would you... I would never acknowledge it. It is not my son's. I have started getting my my yearly emails again. I get emailed every time a purchase is done on the forum. And that's still the only way that we

distribute the Christmas album. So every every winter I get random like a purchase was made on the forum because it was uploaded by my account and how the purchasing system on the forum works is there's a commission system built in so I get 0% commission every time but because because it's still technically a commission system even though it's zero dollars and zero, it emails me every time letting me know, congratulations, you just made $0 and zero cents.

That's like, when I get my paycheck. Come on. After all these taxes, I remember self-employed was like radicalizing. Compact Dis called you out, Luke with the not so subtle telling people how to buy it. Hey man, I'm trying to make you money. Come on. I don't want that money. I want people to spend their money on stuff that's good.

The Christmas album is not good. Nedzalife says the potato sack hoodie. Okay, sure. A remastered potato sack hoodie would be kind of cool. Like a sick potato sack hoodie. Okay, sure. A remastered potato sack hoodie would be kind of cool, like a like sick potato sack hoodie. Not at all like a like a hint at an upcoming product. If you redid the screwdriver you would call it the two driver. Alright, so anyway I need my own bell. I'm gonna need my own bell. Ding the bell. That's an order soldier. There you are sir. You've made nearly five grand on the Christmas album. You'll probably pass five grand on the Christmas album this year.

What does that make me? So if, what was it? Platinum is how many records, Dan? I think it's like a million. Okay, so then gold would be how many? I don't know, 100,000. Okay, so then how far do we have to go down? We've got silver, we got bronze, we got wood, we've got dog shits.

Those exist. Is there like silver and bronze for albums? No, of course not. Gold's five hundred thousand. I'm making jokes, Luke, for crying out loud. I know. Could I get a cardboard album for selling $5,000 worth of Christmas albums? That would be pretty funny actually.

If you did $5,000 then... Oh, hold on, there's some other ones. There's Oro Platnomo. I think we sold... We would have had to sell a thousand units to make $5,000. So what do you get for a thousand albums, Dan? Sawdust album, Deeprand sticker album. No, no, no, it's three bucks each.

It's three bucks each. Oh, okay, so we sold like 1300 albums. Oh, but it's $3 American though. I didn't think about that. Oh my God, it doesn't matter. I mean, it's the RIA anyway. So let's see, you would have made $2.003. $3 from Spotify plays.

Wow. That's something. Do you sound like participation awards says Smallish Potato? Yes, that's the point. I don't think that even counts as participating. That's just like, misclicks. So it's a margin of error.

Yeah, all right. Okay, all right. Remastered product. I'm going with potato sack hoodie. There. Fine. That sounds nice. That was potato hoodie. All right. Halfway through a PhD and started watching in seventh grade. PhD is on wireless ICs for implantables. Linus is a previous user of the Ura ring. Would you implant something of the sort? What risks affect that choice? For me, the biggest obstacle to using something like a Smart Band is dealing with taking it on

and often charging it. So if it was something that I could just implant and it could like charge itself off my body heat or something, I, yeah, yeah, I think I would. I mean, as long as it's made out of like, you know, medical grade steel or you know, something glass or something inert, I assume glass is kind of inert. I'd be I'd yeah, I'd, I'd be pretty into it. I mean, we were before the COVID lockdown thing happened. We were planning a road trip down to somewhere in Seattle to get RFID things in our fingers.

Like, we're all going to do it. We're going to make a video about it. I'm into it. I don't know that I'd do like serious augmentation, you know, assuming that like a, you know, bionic eye that could come out and see behind me was available tomorrow. I don't know that I would do that. But I think that something like an implantable health monitor or something seems pretty innocuous. Like hot glue a mirror to your shoulder. There you go. Implantable. Rysaw asks, do we have your permission to pirate the Christmas album? Absolutely not. Because you shouldn't be listening to it. It's not about the money or not money. Why would you even say its name? It's about the fact that nobody should listen to it. It's terrible. All right. It's it's the the nobody should listen to a thing is true because it's it's actually so angelic that it's it's not made for human consumption. Stop it. It's too good.

Nick says we're going to build a product archive when the new site comes online. So that's cool. And he also says, don't oversell the socks before they're actually for sure you numpty. I was talking about the socks earlier, but I think they're promising. They're promising. I'm excited.

Okay. Hello. Wanted to slowly buy a new computer and buy used over the next year. What do I need to know and what... Sorry, what do I do to know how and what I'm buying is working? Is it worth it for a higher end PC builds? No, you should never buy a part that you don't have something to plug it into because that part will only depreciate.

Well, I mean, okay, there's the tariff thing, but in general. Not technically always true, but it's a pretty good general rule. Yeah, but what you should do is you should take your loonies. That's what we call a dollar here in Canada because whatever.

You should take your loonies and you should put them somewhere where they are safe and will not be spent and then when you have enough loonies you should buy it in one fell swoop. That's the way to do it. What about rising inflation? Dan, fine, you take your loonies, you put them in an appreciating asset class, and then you hope that it appreciates at the same rate as the... I don't know! The point is just that I am pretty sure that the inflationary devaluation of your loonie is going to be less of an issue than the March of Progress devaluing the parts that you buy.

And give it six months. The whole naming behind a loony is pretty straightforward. It's not that hard to grasp. Yes, I know it's a loon on it. It's got a bird on it. I know why it's called a loony. Put a bird on it. All right, enough.

Bird, bird up. Linus, who is the most famous person you've ever met Sincerely an Aussie who is now broke but at least not due to shipping. That's a big amount yourself No, no, well, okay, I don't I don't know if I met Paris Hilton, but I complained about her and She was there in person Being mean to somebody across the room does not count as meeting them. I don't know, that could kind of count, right? What is this? Well, look, I was...

What? I complained about her and she was there? What's going on? Because, because, because I was at a BMW event, they literally sponsored me to be there and make a video about their event, and when I asked to go in the concept car, they were like, no, nobody's allowed in the concept car, and I'm like, Paris f***ing Hilton is in it right now while you're telling me that nobody's allowed to be in it. If she can go in it, then I can go in it.

I'm literally paid to be here by you. Help. Help me help you. So like she was pretty good. She was right there. I don't think I don't think that counts as met, though. It counts as seen. I don't think I can't. Well, I saw her. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You saw her.

I don't think you met her. I interacted by proxy with her. You were by proxy not as important as her. You didn't get to sit in the car. Okay, I attended a seminar given by Kris Jenner. Did you meet them or did you witness them? There was only a couple hundred of us there. Small seminar. Shake hands.

Did you talk to her though? No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. There's no difference between me and them. No, no. I've got an answer. I got an answer. I know I'm just messing with you.

I obviously know I didn't meet those people. Probably the most famous person that I have met is Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang. And he might not be famous in the way that we think of like fame famous, but he is very famous. Especially now that Nvidia has become the world's most valuable company and like Jim Cramer's talking about him

and everyone's talking about him. He's very famous right now. I fully agree now. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I don't. Man, see, this is embarrassing because I always forget. Like, I think I have met a handful of like real celebrities. I have met MrBeast, I guess that's valid, but I kind of don't count YouTubers. So I've met lots of famous YouTubers. I met Mark Rober, you know, he's real famous. But like when I say, when you say fame, I mean outside of a niche.

When you are literally the CEO of the world's most valuable company, that's a different kind of fame. That's household name fame. The best word. I guarantee you more people know MrBeast's a different kind of fame. That's household name fame. The best word. I guarantee you more people know Mr. Beast's name than Jensen Huang. Somebody in the zeitgeist. But I would say a wider variety of people. And actually, I don't even know if that's true, Luke, because Jensen Huang's fame is international. I suspect most Chinese people don't give two shits about Mr. Beast.

is international. I suspect most Chinese people don't give two shits about Mr. Beast. I suspect most people... I also think there's a very vast amount of people that don't give two shits about Jensen Huang or Nvidia or even stocks that know who Mr. Beast is. And I'm not just saying because they're kids. I'm saying like income situations where that's just honestly irrelevant to you. Would still know who Mr. Beast is. That's fair. People are saying dead mouse. I don't think dead mouse is more famous than any of the people we're talking about, but I've definitely met Joel. Yeah, I can't think of I can't think of Shortcut says

I think you're underselling YouTube. Shortcut says MrBeast isn't a niche. But also kind of is. Like, the thing is, most of the people I interact with in my daily life do not know who MrBeast is. Because they're adults. Yeah, I mean the MrBeast squid game thing got over 300 million views, didn't it? Yeah, I know, but there's a lot of people in the world.

There's definitely a lot more than 300 million people that have a GPU, I promise you that. Like there's levels of mainstream. I would say Paris Hilton is a lot more of a noble. Yeah, but knowing about Nvidia is not the same as knowing about Jensen Huang. Like I guarantee you I know people that are into tech that despite Nvidia's recent success don't know who Jensen Huang is. To be clear, I'm not arguing Jensen is more famous than MrBeast.

I'm just saying I don't really count YouTube fame because I see it as like a big fish small pond and it's a pretty damn big small pond at this point. It's a huge small pond. So I was wrong. The squid game video doesn't have 300 million views. It has a 672 million views. It's absolutely huge.

Absolutely huge. But you can watch that video without knowing or caring who the host is. Hundred percent. And I suspect a lot of people did. Yeah, that's probably true. So it's I think way more people are using video products without knowing who the CEO is than watching a MrBeast video that is hosted by MrBeast and don't know who MrBeast is. Yeah, that's totally fair.

I'm just saying there's different kinds of fame. I consider YouTube fame a little less famous than a barrier-breaking fame, right? Yeah, for sure. No, I agree, I agree. MrBeast has a lot more views on YouTube than Paris Hilton But I would say that she is more from a conventional standpoint famous than mr Beast because it's just a name that fucking everyone knows whether they watch simple life or not

You just know who she is the daughter of the Hilton fortune because everyone knows what a Hilton hotel is like there's just there's different kinds of fame the Hilton fortune because everyone knows what a Hilton hotel is. Like there's just there's different kinds of fame. Is that a generational thing though? Because like we know her, possibly, but I don't think she's talked about in any circles very much anymore. Is she still a DJ? She comes up every once in a while. She comes up once in a while. But you're right, she definitely had a moment, but she's more in the background now. And so yeah, no you're right. She definitely had she definitely had a moment, but she's more in the background now And so yeah, there's she was big for our generation for sure. I just don't think she is anymore That's fair enough Porto asks is Seth Curry more famous than Jensen. Mr. Beast absolutely not

No, anyone who is like other than other than I would say football Anyone who is like, other than I would say football, and by football I mean soccer. Other than soccer, I'd say if you're in an American sport league, you absolutely cannot be worldwide famous, not really. There'll be pockets where that sport's really popular, like they might know a famous baseball player

in Japan, for example. But it's American, the fact that America calls their sports championships, World Series and stuff is like an actual joke outside of America. Like we think you guys are really funny for doing that because most people elsewhere do not give a s***. Like India is watching cricket, not... Actually, I think basketball might be pretty big there. But the point is just that they don't have the kind of penetration outside of the US that you might think.

My wife loves all the women's products. She wants to know how, she wants to know thoughts on Great Gatsby on Broadway you saw a few months ago. It is so good. She's followed it very closely. It's so good. Oh my God, it's so good.

It's like maybe the best play I've ever seen Maybe the best it's so good. Go watch it. It's so good Gripping performances beautiful music. I love it When purchasing a mystery screwdriver, do you actually try to mix the colors when possible, or just grab whatever? When are we getting ratchet at fidget toys? I don't know if the fidget toy is ever going to happen at this point, but as for mixing colors, these are not mystery in the sense that they have all the different random colors

of the rainbow. It's mystery in that it's one of our screwdriver skews. It could be retro or an octua or a regular one and you get what you get. Long time listener, first time caller. I'm a foreign medical graduate, but haven't taken my exams because reasons. What are some tips you have for staying the course

and finishing what you started? Well, as someone who never finished my degree, you are definitely asking an interesting person this question. As someone who also never finished their degree, but I think Linus and I can both talk about this outside of just education stuff. I think you have to forget about motivation. Motivation is only good to start doing something. It will not keep you doing something. You have to

use other systems, whatever that is. Dramation will whatever you want to use. Sure. But motivation isn't going to keep you doing something forever. You have to find a different thing By new motivation. Yeah, I think that's really good advice Learn to love the work Hey LLD. Do you think industrial design the field still has its influence in one? Mobile tech to home tech and like it did a decade. Sort of like the LG Wing sliding and folding phones. I mean, yeah, industrial design absolutely still has some fun influence.

I mean, just because Apple ships the kind of the same brick-shaped phone every year doesn't mean that other companies are doing that. I mean, that Huawei trifold for all of the disastrous launch it might have had is definitely a new thought, an exciting thought. And it came from a from a designer's pen at some point, you know, someone had to someone had to go okay was someone had to have a reason to engineer that, you know. As for as for home tech, absolutely. I think if anything our home tech

Yeah, and I think a category that exemplifies this really well is speakers our home tech looks so much better today than it did a decade Ago like you can have a really nice Speaker setup in a room that is like stealthy like it blends right in. I love it. I'm super into that stealthy like it blends right in I love it I'm super into that Sebastian in the chat and float plane says as an industrial designer yes so he works for creator warehouse if you guys didn't see his AMD ultimate tech upgrade it's really good it's really good the table the table he made is beautiful all those things you're buying is him he also helped me design the table for my and MCM upgrade thing, too Sick. Hey DLL big howdy from Japan that is in Congress

With so much talk online lately about Microsoft strategy with the Xbox brand I'm curious about your opinions on it and what would you do differently? Man, it really just seems like they're in a transition phase right now. You know, on the one hand, they're a traditional game console maker. On the other hand, they're a software company, like a multi-platform software company. On the other hand, they're like a cloud streaming gaming service provider. On the other hand, they're a non-streaming games as a service provider. And it just kind of feels like they have a finger in every one of these pots all at once, whereas companies like Nintendo have maintained their laser focus on one thing and it seems

to be pretty helpful. I think Xbox as a brand is in kind of a rough place right now. Like, it used to be PlayStation Xbox with one of the fanboy fights for the ages. I just don't see a lot of fight in the Xbox side right now. There doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to be a fan of Xbox. Yeah. They just seem really confused about the direction. Yeah, I'm Campbell.

They will always be very confused about the direction. Yeah, I would like to see them commit. I'd like them I'd like to see them figure out what the heck they are like is every Windows PC and Xbox. And if that's the case, then you need to make the Xbox gaming experience way better on the Windows PC and Xbox. And if that's the case, then you need to make the Xbox gaming experience way better on the Windows PC. Like why are handhelds such a clunky experience today when you guys have all of this deep,

deep knowledge and experience building great user interfaces. The Xbox has a really intuitive user interface. It's pretty darn good. Let's see you guys, you know, take that power and bring it to the PC. And I understand all the reasons it won't happen. It comes down to piracy, right?

It comes down to anti-cheating piracy. But I don't know, I'm rooting for them. I hope to see them solve it as a PC gamer. Turn 360 degrees and turn away. Hey, LLD, love the show and love the free shipping deal as an Australian fan. I have a QD OLED TV like Linus has. What's the best or recommended way to clean your TV screen without causing damage? A little bit of water and a microfiber cloth and if there's any like grease on it or whatever from

fingerprints then a little bit of water and a microfiber cloth and patience. Hello DLO. I teach math and I'm flabbergasted when my students don't know how to submit their work as a PDF. Our kiddo's lack of computer basics is worrisome. What do you recommend I do to remedy this? I don't even know I That that article recently What was it on was on the Atlantic? I can't remember about how Kids are arriving in college having never read an entire novel or a book I

There was a follow-up article that I was I was in the middle of reading today and then I got distracted So I'm glad we're close to the end of Wancho so I can remember I can go read it. But basically, I don't know what we're supposed to do about this. Like, yeah, people don't know how to troubleshoot. They don't have basic computer skills. They don't know how to. It's not that they don't know how to read, they know how to read, but they don't know how to sit and read. And I don't know maybe maybe books are outdated but like I can't think of a more Man how do I say this I can't Videos great, but nothing works as a reference material the way that reading does

and Nothing works as a reference material the way that reading does. And not having that skill, not having that ability to parse written word is scary. This is a very large part of, I mean, we were talking earlier about the social media ban in Australia. This is a very large part of why I'm so supportive of it is I think, you know, the world being super connected and information being at our fingertips and all that kind of stuff is generally a good, I think. I think there's a lot of good content on the internet. I would like to think that we make good stuff, but it's also built to be, the platforms are generally built to be all consuming. And the level of I know it's a it's a just a term right now, but it's real the level of brain rot that you can get

from just sitting and losing your entire day, your entire week, your entire year just pouring into TikTok or whatever else it is, having absorbed nothing because your brain is just mildly observing the most brain rot quick garbage content it possibly can. And then moving on is not good for people. Learning the ability to get absorbed into a particular piece of content. Like being able to sit and read and enjoy that is actually a good thing because it's, I don't know, the second you're stuck in a scenario where you don't have your phone, having people like genuinely fall into some amount of a panic

because their brain is so used to this constant, insanely high level of stimulation is just bad. Like there's no way around that. That is terrible. You are setting yourself up to be absolutely controlled by whatever corporate interests feels like controlling you at any particular point in time. and that's just a bad idea and exposing kids to that super early on I don't think is good. But anyways.

Gouwcz says if you're a teacher and your students don't know how to do a thing that you need them to do then teach them how but you miss the part where they're a math teacher. Like there's only so much that so much power we have as individuals and you can't control what kids are doing at home. I think that I think that simultaneously teachers are given less and less resources and more and more expected job functions. I mean they're not parents, right? parents, right? I'm sorry, Faizel, Faisel, um, I got nothing for you. And I have, uh, I have the same concerns that you do. Hey DLL, with the coming advent of smart glasses with cameras, how will they be handled on the privacy side?

Bringing them into bathrooms, locker rooms, recording with phones is obvious, glasses is not. It's gonna be a big problem. It's gonna be a huge problem. Recording with phones is also not obvious. This is already a huge issue. And I think this is the same type of problem that we had. I'm gonna relate this in a really weird way. But like, when people become, no, I'm actually gonna skip, because it's not very good. But when people become complacent about something, it becomes a security issue. If someone's like waiting for a stall in a bathroom, and they just have their phone out and they're just, you know, scrolling articles or whatever, you're not going to be concerned about it. When phones were first a thing, if you pulled it out of your pocket at all in a bathroom,

people would freak out. That is no longer a thing. Still makes me uncomfortable. I never take out my phone in the bathroom. And I expect other people not to. Yeah, but they do. I would avoid them if they do. Most people are chill with it.

Sorry? I would avoid them if they do. Like I- Yeah, I mean, that's fair. That's fair. And if it's like kind of pointed at me, I would I would ask them not to but I don't know. Maybe that's just me. Totally. I just I think culturally. I'm not saying it's a good thing or that people should have. I'm just overall culturally, I think most people have moved on from that. And I mean, you can have it in your pocket with like the top slightly sticking out.

Like I think people have become less concerned about the backs of phones pointing at them. And there's no indication that a phone is recording. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. A lot of other devices we talk about it with the phone, no. Yeah. So like honestly, I think it's just

gonna be a thing. I think in general the world is moving towards stalls with more proper doors as an interesting side effect so this might be less of a problem. Yeah I'd like to see that more change rooms with private changing spaces I don't really understand why that wasn't a thing in the first place. I've never been super into just like Seeing a bunch of like guy bums Yeah, like it's as much not wanting to look at anyone else as it is Not being particularly stoked on just like dropping trial with a bunch of strangers but I never did team sports so I never really like got used to it.

Yeah having done team sports doesn't really bother me but I absolutely understand why it would bother people and I have never understood why. In some situations, I understand as a cost saving measure. In a lot of places, it's like, no, you definitely have the money for this. It shouldn't have been a big deal. L, L and D are right. We need more tall stuff. Yes, yes, yes. You're going to carry one of these every week? No. Oh, all right. This is not related to that. What's your favorite part of the dbrand tour? Did you see anything cool or have a takeaway that could be used to improve Creator Warehouse workflows?

I mean, I leave it to the Creator Warehouse team to figure out the workflow stuff, but I think the coolest thing was probably the art stations. So the the pickers and packers have a designated time every day, certain amount of the day that they are they do arts and crafts. I don't know. I thought that was I thought that was pretty cool. Stop reading into every merch message that I curate. They don't all have an agenda. I noticed you didn't say that a lot of them

don't have an agenda, but sure, carry on. Well, the people who are submitting them probably have an agenda. Hey, last one I got for you here, fine. Hey LDT, I'm glad to finally get a scribe driver. Question for Linus, do you find the Steam Deck or Ally to hurt your right hand wrist when using the right stick? Mine gets so sore. No, but I also didn't have trouble with the switch. So maybe I just have robust wrists.

Ah, yeah, no, is Team Racket not allowed? No, I can't say that it's been an issue for me. You could try a case. There are some cases that alter the ergonomics a little bit. That's an option. And I think an option that we have now is to call it. Thank you guys so much for tuning into the WAN Show. We'll see you again next week. Terrible timing. Same bad timing. Same bad timing. Terrible timing. Same bad channel.

One second. Luke's computer froze. We can't see the end. Can you hear me? There you go. Yeah, we can hear you. Okay, cool. You can hear me?

Oh, it's still frozen on my end, but I guess you can hear me. All right. Good timing. See you guys. Bye. Bye!