The WAN Show - Maybe we should all just buy an Xbox... - WAN Show September 11 , 2020

Episode Date: September 14, 2020

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Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi motors and welcome to the land show ladies and gentlemen the only show that you tune into on friday afternoons or evenings or saturday mornings or i don't i don't know where the you're from it doesn't matter it's not the point the point is you're tuned in now and that's a good thing we got a great show for you guys today uh including oh man we built the most amazing chair of all time and it actually ties in perfectly with the ltt store item that you and i were talking about earlier in the uh the

the pre-stream stream that's over on floatplane yeah all right we're also going to talk about the xbox series x and s including some discussion around whether like the pc is just you know doa at this point because luke i think I think there's an argument to be made. We're going to have to have that discussion. A real frank discussion right about now. It's going to be interesting. Uh-huh. Yep.

What else we got? WD labels 7200 RPM drives as 5400 RPM class. That's... It's the kind of thing you wouldn't imagine getting in a lot of trouble over and yet they did we'll discuss that later also uh amd news rdna2 and zen3 dates hey so we can speculate again see what is up with this the one show the one freaking show with all the tech news of this year okay like the biggest biggest tech news of the year and i'm i'm on a campsite with no internet even i can't even call into the show you know how bad i wanted to call into the show well i couldn't

i couldn't call into the show and talk about the ampere announcement yeah i was i was so hyped up to to battle about that and you know you want to hear the worst part luke you know how earlier on on the pre-stream i was like it's okay luke because we can just discuss those things this week right you know we can just pretend it never happened last week i lied dude i lied i let you down because because i've seen the numbers now so i can't say anything oh i can't break my nda so you can say whatever you want and i'm gonna have to sit here poker face poker face and pretend i have no idea what you're talking about. Can we agree about something?

We can discuss this part because it's not about the numbers. Sure. You mean the part where we roll the intro first? Yeah. Let's do that. All right. Just a second. All right.

You know what? Let's just start. Who cares? I'll just mute the intro. Whatever. Whatever. Who cares anyway? All right.

Let's get this party's get this let's get this party started okay go ahead go ahead okay so i it it sounds great sounds fantastic speeds and feeds sound real cool they do give it to uh digital foundry and they showed some really cool stuff with it uh but so far it's digital foundry and nvidia's words that's that's not a lot of players in the space yeah that's literally zero well one one one okay digital foundry counts nvidia does not yeah yeah i mean i love nvidia but like you know luke you've dealt with nvidia a lot over the years how would you characterize nvidia's representations of their new graphics technology on on a scale of where one where one is like they basically hate themselves and everything they make and 10 is incredibly optimistic very optimistic

you know our graphics cards walk on water and they come with a free leather jacket and could you live with yourself if you lived any more of your life without rt i don't know exactly what it was but yeah i uh i i i just do you think people should reserve judgment for at the very least review more reviewers getting their hands on it okay so again i already have my hands on it so i can't i can't tip anything luke i can't even tell you you know how this is you're not even in the organization anymore i can't tell you what i can tell you though is uh oh this is so funny okay i don't normally read super chats right away but robert male says not sure why people are so hyped for

amd 6000 series graphics i have an amd 7000 series in my basement if anyone wants it hey got them love it reusing reusing product numbers that's how that's how you get in trouble we should we should get our uh 8800 gtx's out okay those have got to be crazy so i'm so i'm gonna fall back on this i'm gonna fall back on the same advice that i give to anyone ever and that is that you should never pre-order so you should always wait for independent evaluation of anything you're buying whether it's a game or uh even a movie like there's movies that i guess i know i'm gonna go see without a review. Like there's movies that I guess I know I'm going to go see without a review anyway, but that's just me being a dumb blind fan boy. And I got to understand that I got to,

I got to just accept that. So if you're trying to not be a dumb blind fan boy, then you should wait for independent analysis, especially because something like a graphics card is so, I'm not going to say easy because it does take expertise in order to evaluate it properly um but it's so it's so objectively evaluatable right like an album or a movie is so subjective whereas a graphics card i mean either it has lots of fps and is cheap or it like doesn't have many FPS and is expensive. Like there's no way to, I mean, okay. I mean, I guess back in the day when,

this is kind of funny, actually, I forgot about this. Back when ATI, when they existed, and NVIDIA used to play a lot more games with render quality in their drivers, there was some argument to be made around, one of them is is actually rendering the game at a higher fidelity even if the fps is lower but these days i think it's been all quite a while since anyone's been caught making those kinds of optimizations nowadays

if they're you know upscaling the image that's not a bug that's a feature to be clear i'm not upscaling it's downscaling yes i'm not knocking dlss i'm not knocking dlss i do consider that to be legitimately a feature i'm just it is absolutely pretty cool i'm just having a little fun i'm just having a little bit of fun at nvidia's expense here so so that's what i'll say i'll say you should always wait for independent review what are you expecting because you legitimately don't know anything so you can say no sorry independent review what are you expecting because you legitimately don't know anything so you can say no sorry that came across wrong you legitimately rude you don't have any insight knowledge on the rtx 3080 um i i think i'm expecting a lot uh i think

i'm expecting a lot because uh and this this was where like a little bit more specifically what i wanted to talk to you about but i i think i'm expecting a lot because the last launch was pretty lackluster um so you're on the every other gpu launch is bad kind of bandwagon here right now i don't know if that's necessarily been true just the other one was really bad, so the pendulum must swing the other way. The 1000 series was just kind of butt. Well, NVIDIA hears you. NVIDIA hears you loud and clear. I mean, they made it very clear during the presentation

that they were speaking directly to 1000 series owners. Please upgrade. Please. Okay, and that's the other side of my thing is like i i the the like oh my 1080 my my 2080 ti is garbage now okay if you could afford a 2080 ti maybe you genuinely think that way and the amount of money for the new card doesn't matter and it's fine but like a lot of people with 2000 series cards even though i think that that whole lineup was kind of but like you don't you almost certainly don't need to upgrade yeah i mean that's something that i actually it's it's so funny because i i come from

a time like back when i was making enthusiast pc hardware purchases This happened all the time. Like I look at that, like it's, people have almost been sort of, they've fallen into this false sense of security where if they, if they buy a computer, it's like still fast for three years. That's bad. That's not good. That's not what we want. You didn't, you didn't win. Yeah, we want them to get faster so that when it's time to upgrade, you get a significant upgrade.

You know, you're not upgrading from a 2600K to a 7700K and like, hey, here's my 18 more FPS. Thank you, Intel. Like that's not what we're after, right? As enthusiasts. So I look at all the outrage over the 2000 series and i go look guys you gotta have a perspective check here and i get it there so there's some people out there luke like you said where to them you know a 2080 ti is just

pocket change anyway who cares like oh this is garbage i might as well give it to my little sister and get the new 3000 series. But there's also people out there that scrimped and saved and scraped together potentially over the last two years. That's when the 2080 Ti launched, two years ago to get real time ray tracing, only to discover they bought a card

that's not even fast enough to run it at a modern resolution in almost any games. Yeah, that launch was was lame and that sucks like that really sucks it does for sure but that yeah sorry keep going but your card's not garbage like i'm running a 2080 ti in my vr rig in my living room i'm not gonna swap it out not because i can't afford a 3000 series i i mean probably not right now just because these things are gonna be so tight really hard to buy really hard to find but sometime three months from now realistically like i'm not gonna i'm not gonna sugarcoat it here guys it's not like i can't get

hardware if i need it if i call up a gigabyte or asus or msi or zotac or pretty much you name it and i'm like hey what's up i need an rtx they'll be like oh fine uh so so if i wanted to upgrade that system it's not even a matter of the money to me it's just like hold on a second what game is actually demanding more than what an rtx 2080 ti can can do like if i'm not actually trying to run real-time ray tracing at 4k that is still a fantastic powerful graphics card it is still going to be more powerful probably than the xbox series x and the PlayStation 5. Like let's, it's not gonna necessarily, oh wait, hold on a second. Yeah, RTX 2080 Ti is even getting direct storage. So you will be able to leverage that direct access

for the GPU to high-speed NVMe storage on an RTX 2080 Ti. It's not a bad graphics card. No, it was kind of a bum release and like the whole kind of point of it didn't really pan out directly and all that kind of stuff but it's still very powerful especially for almost everything that almost everyone will use it for exactly everyone's like oh flight sim 2020 okay get real how many of you actually play flight sim 2020 as like you're you get home at the end of the day and that's like the game you play and most of

the like really intense flight simmers that i know and of course twitch chats could be like i do i do i do yeah okay fine fine most the really intense flight simmers that that i know of are not gonna balk at getting a new card and they were like very likely gonna get the new card anyways so it doesn't matter. And like something that Linus and I have been talking about on this show, probably since I'm assuming one of the first five episodes has been the idea of when you're not necessarily even strapped for cash. When you're trying to be strategic about your computer component purchasing and upgrading you flip that before the announcement yep yep because afterwards with that said the one time that that would have screwed you is if you flipped your 1000 series before the 2000 series announcement because you basically would have been stuck just like buying a more expensive

graphics card for a small increase in performance even then you wouldn't have gotten screwed that bad like you might have lost a couple hundred bucks which is a lot less than you lost if you didn't flip your 2000 series just now a couple weeks ago yeah pretty rough but like there's a reason why we've always said that it's because it works. And if you did that this time around, you would not have lost that huge amount of money. Bugatti boy 912 here says,

lol, Linus gatekeeping flight sims now. What are you even talking about? I'm just being realistic. Here, hold on, hold on. Top? I think that was saying it's unlikely that, like how many people even play? Is there Steam stats on this? Top games Twitch here.

Hold on, hold on just a minute here. So we got your fall guys. Okay, sort by viewers high to low. Here we go. You got your Among Us. You're just chatting. Your League of Legends. Your Grand Theft.

Grand Theft Auto 5 is still bigger than Flight Sim on Twitch. You got your Fortnite. I mean, how old is that game? Why is it classified as a driving and racing game? Fortnite? No, Grand Theft Auto 5. Oh. What are they doing?

That is so stupid. Look at this. Driving, racing game. You guys claim to know gaming. Even I know that's not right. Okay, so hold on. How far down this list do we have to go to find flight sim? And to be clear, I'm not knocking flight sim.

I'm just saying that sim games are not mainstream. And this is kind of like the same stupid arguments that you saw way back in the day. I'm talking back Pentium 4 versus Athlon 64 when people are like, but my video encoding. It's like, please, you are not a video encoding. Like back then, the YouTube space didn't exist yet. Like people were not in their basements on their their pentium 4s creating videos and yes a small handful but there's dozens of us a small handful of them were but for the vast majority of people who were trying to treat well this great advantage in video encoding as some kind of you

know killer app for buying a pentium 4 versus an Athlon 64, it was a completely fallacious argument. Like it just had nothing to do with anything because the majority of us are just gonna go home, fire up League of Legends or Fortnite or Rocket League or whatever and get no advantage whatsoever from that hyper-threading. And there's been a hundred different examples of this

over the years. I mean, Intel has been on the receiving end of this kind of sort of favoritism towards their competitor more recently. So Intel right now is at a significant disadvantage in one of the most popular benchmarks out there, Cinebench, compared to AMD, because AMD just ships way more freaking processing cores for the dollar than Intel does. And Intel's like, but nobody actually uses Cinema 4D. And it's like, yeah, I know, but it's really easy to run. And it gives us a pretty sort of relatable and still legitimately real world look at multi-core performance, which we can kind of extrapolate out to the future, assuming that software developers learn to use multi-core processors better over the next, you know, five years that you might own that PC or 10 years that you might own that PC.

And we can say, okay, you know, this is definitely something to consider when we look at the value proposition of these two products. I'm just, I'm saying that in the case of Flight Sim, Flight Sim is not going mainstream in the next five years or 10 years. Flight Sim has had a steadily, not very fast, but steadily decreasing player count, even with how new it is. And it's 24 hour peak is around 10,000. So I'm not all watching this stream. So, so here, hold on. Let's go back to the list here. I'm not even, I can't even make this stuff up. Hold on. Where is control F sim. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Control F sim. Here we go.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's a really cool game. We talked about on the WAN show. It, it, it looks beautiful. And if you have one of those, like a crazy jack system that can play it,

and maybe even a rig that you can sit in or, and like manual controls and stuff, really, really cool setup. You can take flight sim super far. I also know people that run flight sims on lower settings on lower setup rigs and have tons of fun with it and that's absolutely fantastic it's just not really that big of a player base it's just not mainstream that's all so here hold on hold on i'm not done with this yet i'm not done beating this dead horse okay so we got

miscreated which is simulation we've got escape from tarkov which is a simulation fps and again a little less popular than uh fortnite just a little just by a little bit here uh because people don't generally want realism in their video games necessarily we've got daisy okay yep we've got vr chat we don't actually have anything that i would consider to be a straight up sim style game yet seven days to die what's next world of warships oh come on i mean it's pretty okay it's pretty simmy simmy combat i guess streamer life simulator streamer life simulator is literally more popular than flight sim 2020 although okay that's that's a bit of like uh what's that kind of bias called

it's not confirmation bias but like sampling bias like we're sampling people who are viewing on twitch tv so and that could also have like one particular that's i don't know i haven't clicked on the category but a lot of times on twitch if you find like a smaller section that's oddly inflated for a moment it could be one bigger streamer just happened to play that game or do that thing for that amount of time. All right, let's move on. Let's move on though. Next up is The Sims 4,

a game from... Could you mind fact-checking this for me, Luke? What year is Sims 4 from, please? Hold on, I'm just going to work my way through the rest of the list here. We've got Space Engineers, whatever that is. Eco, whatever that is. Animal Crossing, New Horizons horizons wow that's really fallen

off a cliff hey does nobody care about animal crossing anymore uh i don't hear many people talk about it wow all right uh and it's more popular than flight sim 2020 we got euro truck simulator 2 also ahead of flight sim 2020 and, with 1.6 thousand viewers, Flight Simulator 2020. Wait. Holy crap. That's not even 2020. Shut up. Is this the old one?

No, no, no. It might just be Microsoft Flight Simulator. No, no. This looks too good. No, this has to actually be the new one. The new one is called just Microsoft. That's the... Yeah. I can barely see in the corner that's the cover that's the box okay okay i'm just i'm just making sure oof oof so sims 4 was released in 2014 2014 all right i won't dive into

it too far but sims the the sims fan base must be some of the most like abused fans of like any game they're actually cool games there i said it no but i mean i would never play them because they're for girls but i'm trying to be offensive i'm literally trying to offend everyone right now that is not my actual opinion they're cool games i i played i think sims 1 a bunch and actually had a lot of fun with it but like the um the time between releases is huge yeah the massive price that you have to pay for the extremely large amount of dlcs and all the dlcs is wild um like just i don't know like especially financially i mean it's from ea so who's surprised but especially finance financially like ouch it would kind of suck to be a sims gamer yeah it's a little rough definitely

definitely abused on the subject of being abused um let's see nope forget it i give up let's do something else let's do something else entirely xbox uh let's oh wait oh no i've got okay you know what no let's talk about the ltt store dot com oh wait no no i lied okay uh here's what we're gonna do we're gonna talk about the chair video okay so this there's no notes in the doc or anything, but you have, I think you actually might've been the one who pitched this concept like years ago. Was it you? Water-cooled gamer. I think that was me.

I think it was you. Okay, so it's been years since Luke has been at Linus Tech Tips making videos, but we are finally executing on some of his best ideas that quite honestly the reason we never did is because no offense luke but neither you nor i had the maker chops to do them properly we all saw what happened with the pizza pc that was you guys should seriously make a v2 we do need to do that we're going to actually good one it will be really cool yes yours was just astonishingly bad it was technically work it was a total misunderstanding it was a pass you completely

misunderstood my pitch i was like look i wanted to keep the pizza warm and then i watched this video and you've got cold pizza and you're trying to heat it and i'm like oh my god nobody would do that but it kept it made it warm no but that means that it would keep it God, nobody would do that. But it made it warm though. No, but that's... So that means that it would keep it warm. Yeah, but nobody would do that. That's why they didn't get it. They didn't get it, Luke.

They didn't get it. They didn't understand the genius. They didn't, yeah. Well, because you didn't understand my genius. You made my genius look stupid. Anyway, the point is, you and i didn't have the maker chops to execute some of these ideas and that's fine i you know it's okay we can hire that so we did and colin was hard at work on water cooled gamer finally guys do not miss this video because man i like i i can't stop gushing about it on camera during the video.

And I was talking to Colin after and I was like, yeah, can I get this in my office? And he's like, I mean, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like really warm because I was like shooting just now. And I was like kind of running around. I just ran up the stairs. I'm like, I'm going to sit in my chair. I'm going to start immediately sweating. And I put it in my office anyway. Like I talked to him later. I'm like, I'm going to sit in my chair and I'm going to start immediately sweating. And I put it in my office anyway. Like I talked to him later. I'm like, it's so amazing. It's life changing.

And he's like, I thought you were just kind of hamming it up for the camera. Well, like when we were shooting, I'm like, no, this thing is every bit as good as I said it was on camera. It's so great. So, okay. Okay. No, no, you do. You do. I'm not even kidding.

You've already sold me like i would pay compared to like ergonomic chairs i mean you and i talked about ergonomic chairs on discord the other night just like yeah realistically ergonomic chairs are as much marketing bulls**t as gaming chairs if we're all being honest you're gonna spice some of the audience there's there's well made chairs and then there's like poorly made chairs and everything else is pretty much marketing so much people with their with their tushes and some aarons just got quite offended yeah well i'm i'm sorry i'm sorry that you're asking but maybe if you bought a better chair than it wouldn't so get wrecked so before i would spend a thousand dollars or fifteen hundred dollars on like an

ergo chair or whatever the case may be i would spend like i i wouldn't even consider spending that kind of money on a chair for a cooled one like the one colin built i would seriously consider it so let me talk you through it's not like this one it's got a foam back so this is an office master om5 which i I do actually really like. Um, but it's, you know, more, it's more affordable chair. It's like a few hundred dollars as opposed to like over a thousand dollars. Um, so it's like a foam backed one. And what Colin did was he completely took the upholstery off. He used a laser cutter with a defocused beam. Okay. He intentionally defocused the beam so that it cut a three. What was it? What is this? I don't know. I don't know about a centimeter, three millimeter,

three millimeter, I guess. So whatever he cuts this channel and he goes over the path multiple times. So what happens is he eats away some of the foam to make these like snaky tube channels, but without turning the foam crusty. So he's got this like wide laser cut. And because of the circular shape of the laser, right, it inherently cuts a little bit deeper in the center. So the tubing actually goes in there perfectly. He uses a little bit of foam safe glue to tack it in. And he's like, man, he went so far like beyond the call of duty on this. It's got like four passes on the one side, four passes on the other. He specifically left the spine free because A, it's not going to be making contact if you're sitting

properly in your chair anyway um and b it might not be comfortable to have your spine chilled and then he did the same thing in the seat so going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth there are a few things i think we could do better and i go through it in the video but get this aside from there being water cooled tubes embedded in the foam and then put the upholstery back on, it uses thermoelectric cooling. That's pretty cool. Because think about it. Like, we've talked endlessly

about how bad tech cooling is, right? Like, Peltiers don't make a ton of sense for CPUs and graphics cards because even though they can reach very low temperatures you know like minus 10 degrees looks really great on paper what they can't handle is really high heat loads typically and when you do have a very powerful Peltier, it's very inefficient. But a human body is only around 100 to 120 watts. So we ended up just recycling these very affordable, like this is the kind of thing where even if we productized it, you could go build your own for not very much money. So we took these aquarium chillers with 300 watt Peltier's on them. We just completely recycled them.

Actually, just one of them. And you sit in it and it's like life changing. It's life changing. I wonder if this would probably be a terrible idea, but I wonder if you could sell like kits. I have no idea it's the kind of thing man it'd be it'd be tough because without like there's definitely some things that would need to be redesigned about a chair that really had this integrated from the ground up there actually is a chair that exists i forget what it's called but it looks i know offense terrible i bet you you could work with Corsair. I can just fling these ideas out now because who cares?

I'm not even part of it. It doesn't even matter. Yeah. I bet you could work with like a Corsair because they have chairs, right? I'm not talking out of nowhere. They have chairs. And okay, maybe someone else based on that reaction. But you could probably work with someone to get the foam parts right and then cut them and then give the the tubing the peltiers everything in a kit

and that person buys the chair maybe they buy the chair without even the seats on it and you guys could like literally finish the seats and they just put the seats there i don't know or uh or they could just like get the foam out of their seat and just insert what you had like you could work with a chair manufacturer yeah to get the stuff just be like because like a company like a corsair yeah or another company that's that's tied at least somewhat into computer memes at all that would blow up oh yeah i think it has i think it could be absolutely huge like it's honestly it's one of those things we probably won't have to do anything to get this productized because as soon as the video publishes every chair manufacturer and their dog is going to start

trying to make a water-cooled chair because that's super cool um oscar chew says isn't this the same thing as warmers and chillers in high-end cars? No. So high-end cars use the HVAC system that's built into your vehicle, and they actually use refrigerated air, and they blow that through the chair. So same basic idea, but because you don't have a forced air HVAC system strapped to your butt, it would not be practical to do it that way. A Peltier has the advantage of operating nearly silently. It's just the cooling fan for it. And, um, also being, uh, small. So you can actually strap it realistically to a chair,

which is something that unless you're Adam Savage, uh, you're probably not going to build into, you know, something that, that you know fits onto your body yeah someone in uh chat said yeah but you have to have a cable running off your chair i think that's an extremely small price to pay and especially with like proper cable management it's not going to be a problem how often do you need to move your chair like that much especially yeah exactly you're going to scoot back you're going to scoot in that's like pretty much it yeah like if you if you have to play like chair racing, then maybe you should grow up.

Or just use a different, cheaper, worse chair. Yeah. Chair racing is fantastic. Get wrecked. Get wrecked. You literally have a video of chair racing.

Yeah, I know. By the way, you weren't here last week. One more thing I want to talk about from from last week's show was uh have you heard about the uh mario kart yes i am so jazzed of that video i'm so jazzed uh well no i just want to play mario kart irl like that looks like so much fun yeah but remember we we use the rc cars at the skate park you guys

should do the same thing oh you should take him to the skate park like for channel super we should totally go back to the same place i love it that's what i'm saying yeah i love it we should totally do that so we could even have uh whoever's playing face away so they have to use like the camera on the car be pretty sweet speaking of channel super fun we've actually got a great one coming up do you know about this no okay channel super fun is not dead ladies and gentlemen dennis is determined like the corpse is lying there on the ground and he just he's just like hammering away at his chest beat heart beat um he's determined to keep it going anyway i've got i came up with i think an idea no one's ever done before which is really hard when it comes to pranks on the internet

oh my we decided to steal the car of one of the people who works at the office and replace it with the exact same model vehicle and then see if they notice what okay i already put together all of that i'm pretty sure i think i know who would you notice would you notice if we swapped out your car for your car but like not quite your car and remember we we have time okay so we've got a couple hours with it so we can we can literally vacuum up your cracker crumbs and other crap on your carpet and throw it in the new one if you same model year same model year one like detail in my car which is like the logo on the steering wheel in the middle of the steering

wheel yeah there's like minor damage to the left side of it would you notice that that was yes probably because it annoys me every time but it's it i bought it like that so there's nothing whatever but if you guys like even like temporary mark market on top of it and made it look similar, it wouldn't even have to be that close. Yeah. In my periphery, if it was similar, probably not. I bet you I wouldn't notice. Just be honest. So, yeah, it's over on float plane already.

And it's probably worth a watch. Pretty, pretty fun video. Pretty fun video. We've got another really good concept. That's another sort of like. Pretty fun video. Pretty fun video. We've got another really good concept. That's another sort of like... I was wrong. Messing with... Who do you think it was going to be?

Who do you think it was going to be? Well, I don't want to say... No, no, go ahead. It's fine. Everyone's filling the chat with it anyway. I thought it was going to be Brandon. Brandon? Because you got a model...

Didn't you... You bought your in-laws a Model X? He has a... No, no. They got a Model Y't you you bought your in-laws a model x he has them no no they got a model y and brandon would definitely notice if he had a model y all of a sudden yeah yeah yeah sorry i thought i thought you had gotten the same model so yeah my bad yeah no no so yeah we we ended up we ended up going with yvonne and i'm not gonna spoil the ending though i'm not gonna spoil the ending it's definitely worth watching okay um all right so why don't we oh you know what we should probably talk uh sponsors

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had actually wanted to tie this in with the discussion about the chair because poor Luke has no air conditioning over there right now because there's a bit of an air quality problem here in Vancouver and his air conditioner is not the kind that just recirculates the air inside the building. It actually filters air in and out of the building. So he was like, oh oh no i have to wear this i have to wear this new merch item uh all show and oh no it's a sweater and oh no i don't have my air conditioning and i just i just wanted him to put it on so that i could talk about how

he doesn't have a water-cooled chair and how he's probably really warm right now we're not actually launching this sweater right now so that was it thanks when are you launching it uh later later some other time okay that makes way more sense because like why it's like the world is burning my ac's off so that there isn't more smoke in my house from the wildfires why are we releasing a sweater i was gonna support it i was there for you nick okay but i just didn't understand yeah um so okay well while you take it off i can tell that i can tell the story of uh oh it looks like floatplane uh stream is down for some reason.

That's very strange because YouTube and Twitch are both still live. That's really unusual, actually. Like, not even just trying to be like, hey, Floatplane, it's so great. That's actually very unusual. Well, the restreaming server is different than the other one, so it's not actually necessarily that weird. Oh, hold on on that seems to

be back all right well that's fun uh anyway so let me tell you the story of why we're launching a sweater and actually do you want to just show the peeps why you want to why we're launching a sweater in uh in august september well actually it's so late that it's almost just a little bit early so it's meant to be just like a super kind of snuggly, I didn't feel like getting dressed, but I can't be seen in my pajamas type of like fleecy interior sweater. It's really simple, just clean branding. I think we're going to launch it next week.

So in the meantime, the only product that we have uh pimp to you guys is the wrist warmers here that's what these are for right for warming your wrist yes particularly yeah keeping your wrist warm you know what not even kidding these made a big difference to my beat saber game think about it okay you got sweat on your arms you're whipping your hands your your your hands around your sabers around where's the sweat gonna go you're whipping it around yeah actually that's yeah the sweat goes to your hand right yeah and what are controllers made of slippery plastic right so for the same reason that i wear them when i play badminton it's

actually really helpful when i'm playing beat saber so yeah guys you gotta you gotta get yourself some ltt sweatbands up in here luke you really don't have to keep wearing that for realsies my girlfriend who actually stole it and wore it before i was able to and is actually a huge fan of it even though it's not released yet to and is actually a huge fan of it even though it's not released yet I'm going to show a feature of it even though it's not coming out yet because Linus is pranking me there's these like super slimline pockets on the side we can't see it there we go yeah they're like uh hidden kind of stealthy pockets super stealthy pockets kind of like totally wouldn't notice pretty cool you know what's really funny luke is jake was actually one of the biggest drivers of this

product and the only two people outside of like uh like guys who work at LMG that have worn it and love it so far are Yvonne and um Plenty Time over there that's hilarious yeah it like it's like it's like obviously a guy cut but Yvonne wears her she has a pre-production one she's had it for like months because we've been working on this forever um she wears it all the time like other than yeah i mean i nick nick dropped these off so funny last week and uh emma stole it like we can emma plenty time whatever that's fine um she stole it like almost immediately i was just trying to promote the stream yo heck yeah plenty time twitch tv she she asked me today if you guys could make merch for her stream for her stream because she likes she likes the merch that you guys make so much and she had a few people asking if she could

get some merch items for them to get and i was like i uh, you know, what's really funny is we are we are straight up getting pretty close to opening creator warehouse up to more creators. Currently, there are four people who work there and we are posting six job postings in about the next week or so. That's that's pretty wild. I think you might have some like minimum order quantities. You know what? I think there's, okay, there's stuff that we could work with though.

So there's certain things where we'll be able to piggyback on our biggest customer, which is obviously Linus Media Group Inc. And do alternate designs for other creators and get around minimum order quantities that way. There's also, you know, if they only want to make slight modifications to merch items that, you know, we've already done a lot of the design work on, um, if they want to just do a very small run, that's something that is possible once we've got more designers on staff. Um, it's something that we've invested really heavily in over the last couple of years because we just identified this problem with merch that was out there and we're so tired of merch services that suck um that we were like okay well let's just spin this spin this up as

a separate company like figure this out figure out merch sourcing and uh you know maybe if we do a good enough job other people will actually be interested it's great this is great because you taking you being in such a hurry to take it off is actually like the best endorsement I could ask for, because it's a really warm sweater. Yeah, it's not super bulky either. It's like really uncomfortable to wear when it's warm. It actually like feels thin, but yeah. Okay, I have one last LTD store thing,

and this is really exciting. Guys, if you bought a cpu pins design okay so if you bought one already it's it's too late if you didn't buy one because here's the thing we can't uh like we can't announce like a like a golden ticket type thing because then all of a sudden we're running a lottery but what i just you're really walking now yeah what i decided we can do is we can print golden tickets and then tell you guys after the fact when it can't affect your purchase decision what happened so this shirt right here is the cpu pins design and you can see that some of the pins are open circles and some of them are closed circles. And the closed circles make this LTT, what we call our diamond logo

in the middle of the bottom of the CPU. If you bought one, look very closely at it. There are three out there that have a different design. There are three one-offs out there with a different design in the pins. And if you have one of them, what you need to do is send us a picture via the LTT store support email of what it does say, and you will win a gaming rig. Ridiculous. Yep. RTX 3000 series equipped gaming rig. It might take us a little while to get our

hands on it because rtx 3000 but we will ship it to you if you got one of those shirts the next you guys should do like obviously you can't announce it yeah i can't promise anything else a genuine uh genuine golden ticket get you to like ltx and a tour of the office in the way that like that would be awesome did you see that the the i think is it the jelly belly guy is doing golden tickets right now and giving away a factory isn't that ridiculous so funny i just oh man the world is a weird place i know right it's like what stranger reality or fiction these days I don't even know I have no idea but uh someone's like on my way to buy a shirt okay you weren't paying attention I already said it's too late yeah although I'm not saying that we'll

never do anything like this again I'm just saying that if you bought one and you got I'm not saying that we'll never do anything like this again. I'm just saying that if you bought one and you got, I'm not going to even say what the design of the shirt is. You got to go look at your shirt. Cause I'm willing to bet whoever got it. Cause actually I know that whoever got it didn't notice that it's a different design because they would have contacted customer support already, but it's very different looking once you actually like clue in you know oh that doesn't say ltt at all so go go check it go check it out guys uh all right let's talk about

xbox series s and xbox series x shall we okay so finally the information is rolling in on the next generation consoles from microsoft and i'm not going to lie, man. It's looking pretty compelling. Yeah. It's looking pretty compelling. We've got the Xbox Series X at $499 coming. So pre-orders are going to start September 22nd, so in 11 days.

And they are going to launch globally on November the 10th. And then the S is coming in at just $299. So it will be diskless. Unlike Sony's strategy of doing two full powered consoles, one digital only and one with an optical drive, Microsoft has basically said, well, look, if you don't care about an optical drive, or if you want to save a buck, then we're going to do like a totally cut down version, but we're going to price it super aggro. So even though it's only, let's have a look here, four teraflops versus 12.15 teraflops on the Series X with less RAM. My understanding is that the SSD size is the same, is it not? Hold on. Those specs are not actually in here and i'm a little bit hazy on it if you want to i'm sure i'm going to correct me um so even though it is less powerful

299 holy crap like you cannot we've tried you cannot build like a good quality gaming machine well you can but it's it's it's tough you're gonna end up making compromises somewhere if you're trying to build a gaming machine remember it comes with a controller like a good quality controller you can't ignore value ads like that it is real tough like what's an xbox one controller worth like 40 bucks 50 60 bucks something like that gotta be around there like i guess 50 60 i can look it up 250 is not enough to build a gaming rig especially one that's going to have the capability to play all these upcoming games for a very long period of time now it's not going to run at 4k resolution, obviously, like the Xbox Series X is. And in fact, I've seen some rumblings that developers are a little bit unhappy about

the Xbox Series S is low specs and yet this ambitious target of 1440p gaming because it means that kind of like PC game developers. It's so funny. Consoles are getting so much closer to PCs, just like PC game developers. It's so funny. Consoles are getting so much closer to PCs. Just like PC game developers, all of a sudden Xbox developers have to target all these different, not just resolutions, but now levels of detail. And they have to start playing around with draw distance from one machine to another. And I mean, it's already happened such that you can actually adjust graphical fidelity settings in game and go, okay, I want this FPS where I know I'm going

to be sacrificing some visual quality, but I want a higher frame rate, or you can run it a lower frame rate and have more eye candy on. It's basically happening now. The consoles are PCs, but I still think the most compelling thing about the new Xboxes is not just this crazy affordable price for a new generation console but the subscription service like this is to me if i'm sony absolutely terrifying so the series s is going to be 24.99 a month for 24 months and will include Game Pass. That's nuts. No, I also can't hear you, by the way. No upfront cost whatsoever.

So Game Pass and the console, by the way, you actually own it. So at the end of 24 months, you own it. You're effectively financing it, not just renting it like you might from your cable company with your cable box. So you own the console at the end you've got cloud streaming via project x cloud over 100 xbox games via game pass over 60 ea games via ea play so that's a five dollar a month value that's bundled in first party xbox titles on launch day and it applies to the xbox one xbox series x and s and pc so basically for yeah 10 bucks more than games pass alone you get a series s and for 20 bucks more you get a series x that's wild like we've been talking about games as a service for a long time i personally didn't

expect they would just give you the device bundled in on that price i mean that's that's pretty wild that's the wild that's the cable that's the cable tv model except that microsoft has the benefit of something people actually give about which is gaming instead of like shows full of commercials or whatever now you can have games full of commercials people are moving to like netflix and stuff anyways which you can do through the console so who cares um a couple random things that i looked up while you were talking yeah xbox controllers they start at 65 bucks there you go and they scale up quite quickly um for even some of the more basic designs they start moving to 79 85 etc all us in terms of storage the xbox series s uh has in the expandable storage is the same.

The type of SSD is the same. The speeds and feeds of the SSDs are the same. But the Xbox Series S, its main storage SSD is 512 gigs and the X's is one terabyte. Right. So thank you for the correction there. So here's a crazy thing.

This is absolutely bat shit crazy. It actually costs, if you knew you were going to buy Game Pass anyway, it actually costs $60 less to buy it by financing it through Game Pass than it does to buy it outright in the first place and then subscribe to Game Pass for two years. How much of a mind blow is that? Microsoft is effectively, I mean, you can see it either way. You can see it as they're effectively like giving away games

or they're giving away consoles. I mean, they're not, they're discounting realistically. And it's brilliant because they're actually getting you on the hook for effectively what works out to about five triple a launch titles so five sixty dollar games right at launch which if you look at previous console attach rates are not necessarily that high i mean i don't know what it was like when you were a kid but like for my super nintendo i only owned aside from super mario world for my Super Nintendo, I only owned, aside from Super Mario World, which came with my console, I only owned three games.

I owned Super- We used to rent a lot. Oh, we used to rent a lot. And so you look at it and you go, oh snap, well, this is, they're basically taking that purchase revenue that I spent on Final Fantasy III, AKA VI, sorry,

Final Fantasy III in North America, Pilotwings and Super Mario All-Stars. So there's my $180. And then probably the other hundred, a couple hundred dollars that I spent on rentals. And instead of it going to Blockbuster, Microsoft just gets to take all of it. So they're subsidizing the console way more effectively.

They could sell these things at an even deeper loss, depending on what their licensing agreements are like but i mean they're also the publisher for a lot of these games so like yeah they hold all the cards they're vertically integrated i don't know man the playstation the playstation 5 was looking pretty compelling but this looks pretty compelling too unless you already own a pc in which case you could just get game pass and then you don't need an xbox anyway and like the game pass as much as i resist those types of things i'm always the like physical copy guy but the xbox game pass

is pretty solid yeah there's a lot of really compelling stuff in there really good stuff on it and like yeah like genuinely very compelling prices what was that stupid android console yeah this is no like oh yeah you know like oh it comes with games this is like real games that you were actually like gonna buy yeah yeah exactly yeah it's crazy i don't know this this list of like launch titles i don't think these are included necessarily gears tactics yeah yeah i mean that's a microsoft uh published game so yakuza like a dragon destiny to be on light i don't know but these are launch titles for the console anyway so destiny 2 assassin's creed valhalla are you gonna 100 percent valhalla or do you just not care anymore? Are you over it?

Assassin's Creed games are very... The last two have actually been very good. And if... I'm just so worried about Assassin's Creed games these days because who knows? The whole time it's either been like just one of the worst games of the year or one of the best ones.

And there just seems to be no real way to know before it comes out. So just I'll, I'm not even, I will, I will not preorder it. I'm probably not going to get it on day one to see what the like quick reviews are. And then I'll decide.

All right. So let's, let's get with everything that we know now, can we get a verdict? Luke next gen console. If you have, let's say you have like seven, let's say you have $600 to spend. So that's a Series S with Game Pass for two years. Or that's a Series X and you're just kind of on your own for games.

You're going to have to save up for games. We don't know how much PlayStation 5 costs, but it'll probably be less than that and you'll be able to afford an exclusive or two what do you buy i think it's actually not that simple i think i can't properly answer that question because the subscription model of acquiring the console that way, and it being 24 months. That's a long commitment. That is a long commitment. Most relationships last less than 24 months. You know, let's get real here.

Yeah, especially, I mean, if you're in high school, they might last less than a week. Less than 24 hours. But like, it might not be that simple. Like, if I'm remembering my like purchasing decisions that I made around games and kind of stuff when I was a lot younger, let's say high school time. This Series S at $25 a month. It looks pretty good, doesn't it? I could get that together.

I could mow lawns. I could do whatever. I could get my $25 bucks i'd have to give it to like my mom whatever and then she would use a credit card or whatever yep yeah but like i could do that i might even push knowing myself and go for the x at 35 knowing that i'm gonna have great games for two years the console is gonna run it just. And maybe every once in a blue moon, if I like push for some extra cash, I might be able to buy a one-off title. But that's like,

I think the subscription approach is for a lot of people, just the digestibility of it is so fantastic. Don't forget about PlayStation now too, though. So PlayStation now does exist with a console. Yeah. Well, that's the,

that's the difference. What we don't know though is if sony is going to counter with some kind of playstation now bundle because whether they had intended to or not now it's kind of looking like they might not have a choice so i had to when i was growing up i got an xbox 360 um and i had to get the core is there any details on this? I think it had less hard drive or something this thing sucked and it was so annoying

because you needed so much more stuff to make it actually good and I got that because that's kind of like what i could afford at the time i really wanted to get an xbox um i think i might this is so long ago my details are super fuzzy i'm sure my brother was with me in on this i'm sure my dad probably is like the only reason why we got it in the end, et cetera. But there was something going on. I don't even...

Yeah. Okay, can I pitch this? But it was terrible. Sony's still going to have the exclusives. That's a very... You killed with a hard drive. That's right. It had no hard drive.

Okay, hold on a second. So Sony has their exclusives. Microsoft has this like unbelievable value. But can I actually just hit you with something totally crazy? I think what could tip me to Microsoft here, if I was shopping for a console, notice that I didn't give you the option of an RTX 3070 or whatever in there.

We're not acknowledging that right now. What could tip me to microsoft is look how consumer friendly they're being this time around they've already partnered up with seagate for an external like uh for an expansion one terabyte ssd that'll cost a couple hundred bucks that's a lot of money but it's not like totally unreasonable uh you know like we used to experience with you know memory cards for you know playstation 1 playstation 2 that kind of thing um and controller compatibility microsoft has absolutely taken a just gargantuan step forward in consumer friendliness with their controller compatibility carrying forward now it's funny because as the words left my mouth i realized that there is actually one

other company that did carry forward controller compatibility and it was nintendo of all people with the wii so early wii's you could actually use GameCube controllers. And I guess Nintendo wasn't concerned because they knew they didn't have a ton of killer apps and they wanted like GameCube backwards compatibility to be like a selling point of the console. I don't know what was going. I mean, I can hardly ever figure out what Nintendo said. Really cool Wii games were motion-based and it wasn't going to work for that anyway. Yeah. So it wasn't going to cannibalize sales of of accessories for the console but microsoft seems to have basically said okay look we're not going to gouge you on

the accessories if you already own you know 500 600 worth of xbox elite controllers go ahead keep using them meanwhile sony's like oh no we have we have very no, we have very special features. You simply cannot enjoy the games with the old controller. I don't know what accent that is. Russian to German? Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter. As long as it's not Japanese, I can't get in trouble.

I feel like this is them just being like, we really don't want to lose this time. Because I think you could probably say they lost the last generation. You probably? You could probably say that. You could probably say that. I feel like they're trying to come out swinging this time. 100%.

Because they got murdered on their release last time. That's more like it. You could probably say they lost. But I don't even just mean in the end. Like with their announcements, they got murdered. Oh, yeah. Sony was just clowning on them. They not only didn't sell as many consoles,

they looked like they had no idea what gamers wanted. They looked clueless. They looked out of touch. And Sony made sure that they looked that way. 100 100 which is exactly what they're supposed to do i'm not like it's whatever but this time fair and love more this seems very aggressive and very calculated yeah 100 i mean they're leveraging the strengths they have which is az Azure and the cloud and this gaming over in the network and content delivery over the network. And just the fact that they are just generally like, what are they like seven times the market cap? People, I think, forget sometimes that

Microsoft versus Sony is not all that dissimilar to like Intel versus AMD at some points in their history. Like even when AMD is doing well, like Intel is a much, much larger company. And in the same way, Microsoft is an enormous company compared to Sony. Yeah. What is what is Nick sending me here? I have no idea what he's sending me oh okay i'm sorry nick's just messaging me in the middle of the thing uh this is from cloud nine um tag someone who warms up like this and for whatever reason we've got a picture in picture

of me like spazzing out this is actually very very very tastefully slapped together here because they've actually got a picture in picture of what we're looking at in the big screen on my monitor there as though it's captured that is not what happened that never happened um you look so pro i think what i was trying to do was make it not track properly i can't even remember this is a long time ago that's outdated merch you guys are looking at there don't look too closely at it we don't sell that anymore i'm pretty sure oh that's hilarious all right so anyway i think i think that's when there was the popular mouse test of trying to move it too fast on a mouse pad i think it was launch tech use that

mechanical arm to do it okay i think we were being like is this even possible like yeah could anyone ever move their arm that fast i think that's what we were doing so i i really like microsoft's move with the controllers that's actually a total game changer for me because it's like an unspoken cost like nobody talks about that a nintendo switch costs like 700 by the time you buy a console and enough controllers to play smash with all your friends like that's ridiculous and yet we just we accept it we don't even really talk about it so every new console is like it's not just the 300 to 500 or 600 however much they charge for it it's not just that it's like that plus another what we're saying xbox controllers start at 65 bucks So plus another like $250 of controllers to replace

perfectly good controllers that there is nothing wrong with. And the stupidest thing about it is for years now, there's been no reason for it. As soon as we switched to USB and Bluetooth, there was no reason for controllers to not be intercompatible from generation to generation. And you can leave it up to game developers to say, okay, no, you're really going to need like a PS5 controller to play this game. But realistically, I would be floored if there's many multiplayer, like local multiplayer titles for the PS5 that actually require a PS5 controller. And if we're talking mostly single-player games,

then I would say there's nothing wrong with just using the PS5 controller that probably comes bundled with your console and some last-generation controllers for all your friends who just want to sit and play. I don't even know. What local multiplayer games are big PlayStation-exclusive titles right now?

They're definitely more on the single player side of things so there you go like why do i why do i need to yeah i'm sure chat's gonna i'm sure chat's gonna jump in with some education for my so it was like rocket Rocket League? Dot, dot, dot, question mark. I mean, you don't need new PlayStation 5 controller features for that. Yeah, not so much. Someone said racing games. Little Big Planet. Little Big Planet. Oof. Mortal Kombat.

Again, like, there's Broforce. Like, there's no way you're going to need... What even are the stupid features? There's like better haptic feedback or something. PS5 controller features. Like what is the killer app here exactly? A redesigned light bar. Two-tone color scheme.

Hold on. Thegamer.com lists every exclusive feature. The new name, DualSense. Come on. You're not even trying. You're not even trying. You're not even trying to make me care about this. Haptic feedback in the triggers. I could live without that.

The share button is gone. It's now called Create. Built-in microphone. Okay, we're talking, again, local multiplayer. That is an online multiplayer-only feature. Two-tone color scheme. Redesigned light bar. USB-C charging. No,

there has to be something else. Isn't there something else? I thought like the triggers are also like more granular or something to go along with the haptic feedback. I don't know. The point is, I think it's anti-consumer. And for that reason, assuming that there wasn't some exclusive, I absolutely had to play. I would rather support Microsoft just for giving two shits about not just their consumers, but also the environment. Why do we keep making plastic controllers when we've all had perfectly good controllers for 10 f***ing years? There. That's my piece on it.

Yeah. So we don't know the price yet of the playstation 5 but if you had to call it are you going for like for this generation if you had to call it now would you go xbox it's hard to say i think there's a short-term winner and i think there's a long-term winner i think in the short term sony wins because i think their consoles are going to end up more expensive which i think is going to be good for their revenue right now and i think that more people are going to be attracted to the playstation 5 because its launched title lineup looks a lot better like what is this what does the series x and the series s for that what do

they have like nothing and if i was going to spend 300 500, $500 or $300 on an Xbox, there's a compelling argument to be made for me just spending that money on a graphics card and playing on Windows with Game Pass. So that's tough. Like if I wanted to cover all my bases, I don't go and buy an Xbox because there's certain things you're going to enjoy on PC and not on Xbox. But I'm not going to go buy an Xbox and a PC. I'm going to go buy a PlayStation and a PC. Well, like if I can only, if it's like,

you've got three options, pick two. Yeah. But PlayStation has officially pushed forward. Like they, they, they put horizon zero dot on PC. That's true.

The exclusives work pretty well. And they said publicly that they are like, I don't remember the exact wording. So I'm, I'm shooting out of nowhere from here, but I think there's something along the lines of they're excited to do that more in the future. Yes,

that's, that is true. But right now, so that's, that's why I said there's a short term winner and a longterm winner. So I think Sony is the short term winner because there's more compelling reasons to buy a PlayStation than an Xbox series. What are are we gonna call them now this is so annoying xbox series yeah like why do they do this to us anyway so there's more compelling reasons for playstation

right now but i think in the longer term man game pass cross-platform, like licensing the game for both PC and Xbox. So I could like buy a game on my Xbox Series S and then like five years later, right? I still own that game and I can just, you know, I got a job now. I got like a ball in gaming rig. I can like play that game at 16K resolution or whatever on my computer.

That's sick. That's awesome. That's an experience that sony just doesn't seem to have taken seriously here that backwards and forwards compatibility which is ironic because it was sony that pioneered it in the first place with the playstation 2 and i mean the last generation playstation laughed at microsoft for like consumer unfriendly compatibility and now microsoft is going very consumer friendly compatibility and playstation's stagnating a little bit at least so far maybe they'll change some stuff we'll see maybe they can change things around they

certainly have the capability because everything's using standard communication protocols that's the kind of the worst part about sony's lack of backwards controller compatibility because they could do it they could turn it on at any time it's just a computer i i think i think the xbox is going to be more i think this subscription model of getting the console is going to be very important. Oh, yeah. I think the current generation of people rising up are being very desensitized to subscription models. I was going to say conditioned, but that's a good word, too. I think they both work.

And I think this is very digestible. $25. Especially in rough economy, low job forces, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. The world's on fire. There's a pandemic going on. It's a little bit rough out there. It's a lot easier to digest.

$25. $25. No upfront. Get all your games you can use your old controllers you can maybe uh craigslist some other guys old controllers they're still gonna work yeah exactly there's a lot of it it's the scrapyard wars console basically if i was and like if you're in that situation where you're like a kid trying to convince your parents yep this is probably the one you're going to try to go for shad like i think shad nobody's talking about stadia no no one cares this is super no one's talking about stadia right now um i yeah i think that's super compelling so and i think

that's going to get them actually a pretty surprising amount of market share because like, yeah, the, the, the, the buyer that you're talking about sounds like, um, at least a relatively solid amount of income, probably an, a, an adult at this point, um, potentially a double income, no kids situation or married yet or something like that. Like, like stable, good income, all that kind of stuff. I think kids may be less stable, maybe not as dedicated to games. And it's, it's a little bit more digestible to do 25 bucks a month. You get

this console, you get games for 24 months, whatever. It's just, it's so, it's so easy. Yeah. And what's cool about it is compared to something like Stadia, at least it's just it's so it's so easy yeah and what's cool about it is compared to something like stadia at least it's a local it's it's a subscription model again and you can stream games to it right with project x cloud but you can also play them locally with no latency and when your internet's out well sort of always DRM. Okay, hold on a second, though. Something to help them, too. Sorry, go. Oh, Navik Shah says,

DualShock 4 works on PlayStation 5. Right. That's fair enough, but it's even more offensive the way that it works. It only works with backward-compatible PS4 games. So the controller absolutely works. It's a software switch that they can flip. They just choose

not to i didn't even know that it's even more offensive that doesn't make it better uh and something to add we've been talking about how xbox game pass is is legit um this is xbox game pass ultimate meaning it also comes with ea play meaning it also comes with EA Play. Yep. That's actually a pretty big deal. Yep. 60 games.

60 more games, baby. Whenever you think about EA, that's like actually a pretty big deal. It's a lot of games. I'll make the rules here. All right. We should move on. I think we've got some rumors to talk about with respect to Zen 3 and RDNA 2.

There's really not much that we can say other than that AMD will be announcing RDNA 2 and Zen 3 on October 8th. I thought there was another date for one of them. Don't quote me on that. So sometime in October, Zen 3 will be next-gen Ryzen 3000 series desktop processors. It'll be 7 nanometer plus, so to speak, up to 64 cores for the data center chips um we don't know how many cores there will be for desktop but amd has stated publicly that they don't see a saturation point for core so we could see more than 16 for all we know i doubt it i'll be floored if they do more than 16 uh first chips will be coming late 2020 uh looks like amd is getting into a nice

little tiktok cycle here which is sweet. And also, we're going to have some news regarding RDNA2, aka Big Navi. So RTX 3070 has 5,888 CUDA cores, and Big Navi is going to have 5,120 shaders. So what it looks like with AMD touting 50% performance per watt compared to RDNA one and ray tracing support is another round of AMD is just plain, not competitive in the graphic space in spite of their best efforts. Uh, I would love to be wrong. I, I 100% sign up for being wrong on this.

I I'm stoked to be wrong on this, but it's, I don't, I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, RDNA1 looked great on paper even, and yet for the first couple months of its life, it had horrible driver problems. And a lot of these are... It was going against what I would consider a relatively weak generation of competition GPUs.

Yeah, I mean, even when NVIDIA has a bad gpu like a gtx 480 or i mean rtx 2000 it was only bad because nvidia's previous generation was so good like it's not like amd had anything to compete with it even when nvidia sucks their driver situation has been better than amds for what a decade like and they like know it and they own that super hard oh yeah super ready with uh game ready drivers yep like they take it real serious yeah so not letting that go yeah we're we're hoping for the best here but um yeah, you know, not getting too excited here. We can go real briefly over WD labeling 7200 RPM drives as 5400 RPM class. Now, can I just throw this at you for a second here?

If you ordered a 5400 RPM hard drive for your laptop or your external drive enclosure or whatever, would you see yourself as being potentially pretty stoked when you get a 7200 RPM drive? I guess, yeah. Okay. Well, Redditors of r slash Data Hoarder are upset with Western Digital again, this time for misrepresenting the rotational speed of their WD Red NAS hard drives. Uh, wait, what the, uh, is this the blah, blah, in the past they have not disclosed calls the 55 on the drive zone firmware. Yeah. Okay. So what happened was for each of several drive models, uh, Redditor Amaroko placed a sample of that drive on an empty cardboard box

with a mic held directly above it. This is great. Spectral analysis of the recorded audio using Adobe Edition showed a baseline frequency of 120 hertz for two models of WD's 8 terabyte 5400 RPM class drives. That multiplied by 60 seconds per minute comes to 7200 cycles per minute. So these 5400 RPM class drives really were spinning at 7,200 RPM. Now, faster spindles do mean lower seek latency, and that's good for performance. But in the context of a NAS, where you might actually be more interested in low noise

and laptop, I did, I'm sorry uh low noise and low power consumption it can be a disadvantage because it'll actually produce more heat and make more noise so nasa is a bit of a different situation yeah that's true sorry um so unfortunately the eight terabyte red that was confirmed to be 7200 rpm consumes 8.8W compared to Seagate's Barracuda 5.3 while active, and 800mW compared to 250mW in standby. Oops. When they're spinning at the same RPMs, Western Digital and Seagate's drives consume roughly the same power.

Like the thing to remember is when you're spinning, it's not like it's this linear difference in power consumption as you increase the spindle speed. Going from 5,400 to 7,200 RPM is not just a, you know, whatever that works out to 40% increase in power consumption in order to keep it going that fast. I mean, even when the drives are full of helium, like the air resistance inside these drives is a significant problem. That's one of the reasons that 10,000 RPM drives never took off for consumers. They were just so much harder to engineer compared to 7,200 RPM, even though it only sounds like, again, like 40% more rotational speed. So Western Digital's response here was,

5400 RPM class does not actually mean the drive spins at 5400 RPM. Instead, they have published RPM speed within a class or performance class for years rather than publishing specific spindle speeds. They also said they fine-tuned select hard drive platforms and the related characteristics to create several different variations of such platforms to meet different market or application needs blah blah blah etc etc etc so i think there might be a little bit of i think there might be a little bit of confusion in our notes here because i really thought these were two and a half inch drives um but i'm bum bum bum bum bum bum bum 215 but i don't see any reference to that in the ars article, which, um, well, the Ars article on the,

on the picture, it says WD 10 SPZX WD blue one terabyte, 2.5 inch. Okay. So I think what people were mostly upset about was these 2.5 inch drives in their laptops affecting battery life. Um, don't, don't quote me on that. the point is whatever kinds of drives they were there can be disadvantages to increasing the spindle speed and redditors are mad there you go that's the summary oh man there's actually like more pretty interesting news here do you want to do the uh do you want to do the bounty now we got a bounty ladies and gentlemen okay all right this is a thing that exists and i know that there are people out there who have them because they've been considered collector's items for quite some time this is the hot wheels pc it was an entire set tower monitor uh speakers

keyboard mouse mouse pad i believe there was a racing wheel yep there's a racing wheel i will pay i i want to do a video i've actually wanted to do a video about it for a long time there's also a barbie pc and i'll accept either i think the barbie pc was probably significantly less popular there's a lot fewer pictures of it uh lgr did manage to get his hands on one so there's one right there i will offer what's a what's a fair offer for this luke what do you think what kind of bounty should i put out i don't want to offer too much again because i think i ended up overpaying for that monitor i think you've overpaid for everything so far um i don't know we tried to acquire one and and kind of couldn't um okay i don't know i yeah all right all right let's say let's say... What's the chat saying?

Type 1. People are like, a grand, two grand... I don't think a grand makes any sense. I think a grand for a hobbyist PC, like you're... If you have a full set, full set, I will give you... That includes all the sub-speaker things. Yes. I will give you five grand for a full set.

5K. I still think... You know what? Luke, the monitor video went... It popped. That video popped. I think I actually made my money back on it so you know what every once in a while i don't i don't feel like yvonne will be stoked on that overall statement she's not

yvonne is not i might have made my money back cfos are not that into i think i made my money back but that's okay sometimes sometimes we gotta just take one for the team here and five grand if you can get me a full Barbie PC or Hot Wheels PC. We ain't real hard to get in touch with. So just contact the business email. It's not hidden. That's my offer. That's my offer right there.

All right, there's one more thing I wanted to talk about here. Apple is finally allowing game streaming on iOS and it's in the most Apple way possible. They will allow Stadia, Project xCloud, and GeForce Now on iOS, but only as catalog apps to show what's available. To actually play games,

users will have to download that game's specific app so every game in these streaming libraries must be submitted as an individual app with a product page user ratings etc oh what i know right what like why download a separate app to just stream a game i hope the apps can talk to each other decently well i don't even know the app has like everything you actually need to download and the individual download for each game is just like nothing i've never actually i've never actually used like a catalog app so i can't say that i have a ton of experience with it. I can just, I can say that that is so much, I've never actually used, that is so much kludgier than it absolutely has to be. So much kludgier. Yeah. Oh yeah. And in Epic versus Apple news, uh, sign in

with Apple, uh, was, uh, apple attempted to remove that from epic games accounts yeah that's you know what's so funny is apple like pitched their sign in with apple as like a trusted thing it's like well then why are you running around like removing it from services people use because you're butthurt over a court battle with anyway the the removal was delayed um so so that that happened. Somebody stepped in and was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is not a good idea. Why are we punishing users? Why?

What are you doing? That's Apple's arrogance on full display. They're so arrogant. It's companies like Apple. And actually, I think I was planning a rant about this in one of my videos that I never ended up actually doing. But companies that don't understand that a customer who didn't buy your product right

or the way you want them to is still your customer. Like if I'm not using AirPods with an iPhone, I still spent 250 US dollars. I'm still your fucking customer. The fact that there's absolutely no way to update the firmware on AirPods without an iPhone is fucking ridiculous. That is so anti-consumer.

And the fact that apple apologists keep well apologizing for this behavior for apple just blows my mind it blows my mind if anybody else did that it would be completely unacceptable imagine if to if to get an oTA update on your Model Y, you had to own a Model X. Imagine that world. It's absurd. I can't even fathom it. Who else could get away with this? Every time we talk about this kind of stuff, I wish you had watched Pirates of Silicon Valley.

And the last time I mentioned it on the WAN show, I ended up getting a bunch of tweets of people saying that they watched it and thought... I had one person that specifically said that they've watched all the Steve Jobs movies there are except for that one. And they said once watching it, they thought that was the best one that they had seen. So maybe you should watch it one day. All right. All right.

All right. It feels like this type of stuff feels so antithetical to like the idea of that company in that show you know what I mean like the way that Apple is being ran these days is so um

it feels scared does that make sense? I don't know if scared is the right word because it's like how can you be scared and arrogant? Like how can you have so much disdain for your customers? Arrogance can come from fear. How can you have so much disdain that you would tell a paying customer that they didn't spend enough to use their product? Because they're worried that you're going to leave. They need you to buy more stuff i think a lot of that i think a lot of that arrogance comes from fear their their whole company to me

has felt very scared for a long time interesting okay all right okay all right like like the the the company that you see in piratesates of Silicon Valley, they're flying genuine pirate flags. They're having weird, crazy. They have a party on the beach where Steve Jobs like intentionally pits two sides of his company against each other. And not like in like fun beach games. Like he's trying to effectively make them hate each other to build like competition within the company to drive people to want to make their individual product better. Right.

So that you can like push people forward even more aggressively. Like they're, they're kind of a little nuts and they're really aggressive and they push forward like really, really hard and like, but they're definitely not scared. Right. And it, it, yeah, it feels these days that they're, that they're definitely not scared. Right. And it,

it, yeah, it feels these days that they're, that they're scared. Someone's saying that's wrong in chat. I mean, sure. But like,

it feels like that to me. Cult mentality. Absolutely. All right. Speaking of, speaking of cults, you, you crazy cultists who tune in and give us your time so generously every week,

you no longer have to give us any more this week you can wait until next week to give it to us again thank you for tuning in we'll see you again next week that's it for our show today oh i lied we have to uh we have to um acknowledge the the most extreme of the cultists the super chat senders uh floatplane android tv app when probably not anytime super soon yeah no no current in the works plans for that thomas requests a collared version of the elemental shirt so i can rep ltd at work a collared shirt um okay i mean hit nick up on twitter and i'm i don't know maybe it seems like it's like a weird request but uh up on twitter and i'm i don't know maybe it seems like it's like a weird request but uh hey trevor says it's my birthday and i just had a halo land party you're doing it right

you know whose birthday it is my dad's wow yeah happy happy birthday pops left friend yeah yeah he's a good dude really really easy birthday to remember yeah because there was that whole uh like military coup yeah yeah in chile um but no i'm not i'm not even joking i didn't know that yeah yeah it's like uh towers yeah it's a whole like thing uh all right so uh evan says as a technology what's your opinion of pam for signaling and now that's in the new 30 series do you think we'll see a lot more of it so basically what that is is sending multiple um bits of data per signal instead of just whatever it is one or two so four instead of two um so instead of just on the rise and fall we've got these like multiple states so it's basically kind of like tlc versus um like mlc flash versus like slc flash so having

these multiple states um it effectively increases data transmission rates at the cost of making the controllers more complex uh seems like it was a matter of time and I'm super stoked for more bandwidth on, you know, consumer hardware. I mean, I don't know what else there is to really say about it. Paul says, I was browsing some old WAN shows and saw some guy named Slick hosting with Linus.

Pretty strange times. Weird guy, weird dude. Robert Mail asks, can you let us know what publishers picked up the children's book? I would like to buy it this holiday season for my toddler. Well, it'll definitely be on lttstore.com. We don't need a publisher. We are self-publishing.

We're printing this thing. It's happening. We've already got the copy that I held up in the video where I showed it off. That is basically final. It's down to two suppliers now, and that was probably the one we're going to go with that was a finished book we were publishing it um as for where you can buy it lttstore.com and maybe best buy canada i don't know we'll see we'll see we'll see how

we're i don't know man i don't know it's i i know there's i know that our people are talking to their people i don't know if anything's going to come of it, but I think it makes total sense as a checkout aisle item at an electronics store. I think it makes total sense. I think Costco should pick it up. Put it right next to the next-gen consoles for the younger gamers. I think they're called Indigo now,

but I was going to say, I think Chapters should pick it up. Totally, totally. Ryan Morash says, the new Mario Kart game was made in partnership I think they're called Indigo now, but I was gonna say I think chapters should pick it up. Totally. Totally Ryan Morash says the new Mario Kart game was made in partnership with a game studio local me I know a few people who worked on it. That's pretty cool. It looks really cool It could be bad. Nintendo generally polishes things pretty well these days though, so Jackson says any chance of a $15 a month option on floatplane right now i have to have two accounts any updates on desk pc v2 it's coming colin had a lot of trouble with the reservoir he's been working on the other stuff ps you got me into pc building at 10 thanks for the great

content hey thanks jackson i mean we could put higher tiers just for lols but i don't really know what else we have to offer because as you're going to find out in how does lmg make money v2 which is coming very soon uh i'm going to be opening up the kimono here showing you guys exactly how the sausage is made so to speak um you'll you'll see flow plane is a significant contributor for us as it is. But one of the biggest reasons that it's so beneficial for us is that the money that float plane contributors give us pretty much just goes to running the organization. It doesn't add a lot of additional overhead for us. Like something like a Patreon would, if we were constantly like, you know, putting hats

in boxes to ship to people or doing posters and stuff. So we don't want to create more tiers where we can't provide more value. And we don't want to become float planers. No offense, Luke. We want to focus... I agree, though. We're doing a bit of a recruitment drive right now. And one of the things that I've been talking to creators about that i've been trying to pull onto the platform is that you don't necessarily want to become a float planer and that's that's kind of the whole point yeah uh so yeah that's that's not a problem at all um all right with the okay okay alexandra says my first video of yours i watched was a case unboxing 10 years ago no idea why i kept watching yeah those videos weren't very good any recommendations for 3440 by 1440 under a thousand dollars canadian i mean you can't go wrong with um can't go wrong with lg

um can't go wrong with asus rog can't go wrong with Asus ROG. Can't go wrong with Acer. I mean, the reality of it is everyone's using like at most two to three panels anyway. So it all just kind of comes down to, you know, whose features and aesthetics you like better and who's on promo. Um, I mean, not, not entirely. There are some models that are more unique and there are some exclusive features but like even lg's sub one millisecond ips panels there's other manufacturers that have integrated them now so uh james asks do you think we'll start to see motherboard redesigns um

no i think motherboards are probably going to stay pretty darn similar to how they are in spite of the architectural changes. PCI Express Gen 4, we're just going to plug things into that and they're going to be faster. It's going to be good. Apparently Xbox Series S is $500 in Australia with an exchange rate of $1 USD to $0.75 Australian dollars. Yeah, it's always like that, you guys. It's because it costs a lot to ship stuff there

and you don't have a ton of population so there's inherent organizational overhead that has to be paid for somehow and it gets passed along to the consumer. I mean, hey, don't feel too bad about it. You pay more than an American but you live in Australia.

And on that note, thanks for tuning into the stream. you again next week same bad time same bad channel goodbye there he is muted intro people are saying oh did i not unmute it i thought i did i love this there's a review there's a review of my book by Chaython. If any non-famous person crapped out such a garbage book, it would not be picked up by anyone. If any non-famous... Oh, no, it's basically just the same message again and then a bunch of crap emojis.

Given that you haven't ever read it, I guess it's pretty hard to review it, but... Where is this review? Oh, it's in the YouTube chat. I love you, YouTube youtube chat you guys are great