The WAN Show - Missed out on RTX 3000? You mighta dodged a bullet!! - WAN Show October 30 , 2020

Episode Date: November 3, 2020

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Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. Welcome welcome ladies and gentlemen to the when show the only weekly tech news show where tech news is more of a side dish but we have some delicious sides today amd big navi is coming and it actually looks like navi is coming and it actually looks like pretty good looks pretty good um uh should i let amd get me excited about graphics because like why not what do you mean why not tv what do you mean why not because team red team red is it's so hot it's so hot it burned me so many times i was thinking you know how i do Pokemon computers?

Yes. I was thinking Charmander. You had a Charmander before already. You can't reuse a Pokemon. There's like 8 billion Pokemon now. Only Gen 1 matters. No, I don't even want to hear about it. No, forget it.

Intel officially reveals more Rocket Lake details. There's more Rocket Lake details. Hopefully, they're good details they're good details otherwise oh boy big trouble what else we got oculus quest 2 was jailbroken get freaking wrecked um there's also okay this note is in there there was like there was bounties and they were placed by palmer lucky which is hilarious um but oh my god that's also 10 000 ppi display what a 10 000 ppi display you don't have a 10 000 pp that is so much pp you have no idea how much ppi i have you'd be amazed at my pp you said you said the intro and he didn't he didn't rate it so i don't know impossible to tell apparently that computer is working again oh yeah uh pewdiepie dropped into uh or i don't know someone who works for him someone someone

from the official actual handle dropped into one of uh one of my live streams a little while ago and was like oh hey by the way the creeper pc is working out and i was like what and then they never replied again and i was like okay maybe that was actually maybe that was him yeah because if it was like a subordinate they probably would have hung around for a little bit and like interacted yeah why don't we jump right into big navi because that is the big the big big energy this week amd has finally yeah yeah it is amd has finally revealed their first add-in graphics cards featuring their rdna2 technology big Navi really is way more fun to say though. RDNA 2 is the same graphics technology that is to be found in the upcoming next generation

consoles, the PlayStation 5 and the Xbox Series S and Series X. But obviously these are the high-end PC versions and it looks like at least on the surface, they are going to absolutely mop the floor with the console versions as long as you've got the money to pay to play because they ain't going to be cheap. Although, with what NVIDIA has done with high-end graphics card pricing over the last five years or so, I mean, hey, $1,000 for a graphics card?

That sounds pretty good, doesn't't it what a great deal it's all about what you're used to right it's what you're used to so the lineup is the radeon rx 6800 which amd says will be faster than an rtx 3070 at 579 and the 3070 is around $499, that is probably going to be the least competitive in the lineup. It's got 60 compute units, 1.8 gigahertz game clock, 2.1 gig boost. So if you're water cooling, you might get a fair bit more performance. And 16 gigs of GDDR6 non-X. And that is a 250 watt card. Then if you step up to the XT, and that is a 250 watt card then if you step up to the xt honestly the 6800 and 6800 xt sound so different in performance that it kind of surprises me that it's not like a

6700 6800 yeah they probably shouldn't have done the xt moniker thing i strongly agree with that it's not it's not like oh this like yeah it's it's not a little bump it's very significant it's still 16 gigs of gddr6 so no gddr6x like nvidia's been using and no hbm memory which am poor amd like try it's been it's been hilarious for the amd fanboys like how to identify an amd fanboy okay over the last few years well Nvidia doesn't even have HBM memory and like how much do they know about HBM and how much do they care about HBM who cares who cares it's the it doesn't matter the price performance and power consumption suck so the HBM memory is like okay good for you so HBM memory is nowhere to be found,

which is probably how they're managing to do 649 for what they're saying is a 3080 competitor. So they're undercutting NVIDIA by about 50 bucks here. It's got 72 CUs, two gigahertz game clock. Like this thing is going to be way faster than the 6800. Then this, I have no idea. faster than the 6800 then this i have no idea like had you heard any credible rumor about a 6900 xt no anything not at all i i i strongly did not believe and i was very wrong clearly i strongly did not believe they were going to come out being able to compete at the high end at all and i

believe i even said that like a month ago oh Oh, probably. And there's no way that I would have challenged you on it, but I was not only surprised that we got a legitimate, well, we're going to get, we hope we're going to be getting legitimate high end offerings from AMD's Radeon division. Not only that, but they managed to surprise me entirely with a top of the line 6900 XT. This one's got 80 versus 72 compute units for the 6800, 2 gigahertz game clock, 16 gigs GDDR6 again, and they are claiming roughly equivalent performance to the RTX 3090, but undercutting it by $500. Now, part of that difference in price is obviously going to be that the RTX 3090 comes with significantly more expensive GDDR6 memory and a lot more of it. But I mean, hey, we said this about HBM memory, didn't we? And HBM2 after that. Your fancy memory ain't going to do you much

good if you don't got the performance so yeah and and also like the the the 3090s as much as nvidia's branding around like workstation non-workstation cards is is confusing and misleading constantly but the 3090s like technically more positioned for non-gamers yep it feels like the 6900 xt isn't. This feels like it's straight up gamer department. Straight up gamer. And I mean, as much as Nvidia might position things as not for gamers, they send very mixed messages. Yeah, they send very mixed messages. You know what's funny, though? The only reason that we want any 3090s, like we are actually, I didn't buy it at first. I was like, what do you mean the 3080 is the flagship? Obviously, we're going to do all of our showcase

builds with 3090s. But I've actually kind of bought into the the 3080 is the flagship? Obviously, we're going to do all of our showcase builds with 3090s. But I've actually kind of bought into the whole 3080 is the top of the line and 3090 is like ridiculous now because it just is not enough more performance for how much more expensive it is. Like it doesn't exist. Yeah, it also doesn't exist. Speaking about, sorry, go for it.

I was just going to say the only thing that we're even considering using one for internally is for very very large video editing projects all the editing work editors they want 3090s and then even the people who told me they were gonna buy 3090s even when they knew it was 1500 uh david's one of them at work he was like after he saw the performance results he was like now i'm I'm just going to get 38. There you go. Hold on, hold on, hold that thought. Dan Lee in Flowplane Chat says 3090 is Titan.

No, 3090 is not Titan. I made it very clear in our review that the 3090 is not Titan. It costs as much as a Titan, so I can see why you're confused. But it's not a titan because it doesn't have any of the titan driver optimizations it's just a really fast gaming card boom all right so uh you were talking earlier about how it seemed weird that the 6800 got the

um got the xt moniker yeah they're like so different yeah what is interesting to me is how similar well while still being quite different sure but how similar the 6800 xt and the 6900 xt are in terms of spec yeah yeah yeah there's only everything's the same except for compute there's only eight more compute units yeah which is like that's great but like almost everything else is different for the 6800 to 6800 T. They're incredibly different. 12 more compute units, higher game clocks. I mean, okay. Other than that, they're very similar.

Higher power consumption though. Yep. So like almost everything is the same except for the memory. Now let's talk features. All the new GPUs support DirectX 12 Ultimate, including direct storage. So direct storage for the uninitiated is that thing that I put my foot in my mouth over a while back where I was making fun of the PlayStation 5's SSD. Okay, okay.

It's not quite the same thing. Sony's implementation is likely slightly different, but... You're treading on dangerous ground there for a second. The underlying hardware is obviously a big navi okay so yes sony's software implementation isn't direct storage which is tm microsoft but it's basically functionally the same thing so it allows the um the gpu to have direct access to the main system storage so it'll support variable rate shading and ray tracing via what am AMD is calling ray accelerators, not to be confused with RT cores.

Those are built into each compute unit. Now, AMD also will apparently have a take on DLSS upscaling. They're going to be calling it super resolution, not to be confused with virtual super resolution, which is AMD's up sampling technology. That's a little annoying. Okay. How hard is it to come up with like a brand for this kind of stuff, you know?

Apparently very hard. Maybe try to not call it the same thing. Yeah. So what do you, what do you, what's your, what's your feel? Oh, my feel is. what's the vibe i'm so okay so i'm gonna tell us um let's do story time line of story time i remember when amd launched polaris polaris was their big like radion is back yeah we're gonna stop we're gonna stop re-releasing the same graphics card with a new name over and over and

over again. This is going to be awesome. When they launched Polaris, they had a big event. Everyone and their dog was there. They actually sponsored a video from me, which usually is an indication of one of two things. It either indicates things are going really well or that things are going really not as well. Um, and I had actually read it based on the amount of buzz from AMD people as things are going really well. And they just wanted to like make a big splash. And, um, and, and that was actually the video where Roger Koduri, uh, dropped the card, which was very funny. That pretty much made that video. I loved it. Anyway, I remember showing up

and like the big AMD is back moment, aside from pricing, it was very price competitive. So that was good until pricing like basically went up with the 500 series and then way up during the mining craze. But that's a whole different thing. We won't talk about that. Their big like, we're back in the high end was like a crossfire slide where they were like yeah

dual 470s or dual 480s or whatever was on it it's like very competitive with nvidia's like card that's actually good on the high end um and like crossfire supported on like lots of motherboards uh and they were trying to brag about crossfire quality at that time yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah how'd that work out for them bad so so so my problem is that amd has disappointed me and hyped me up so many times and even like that wasn't that long ago like there's people that are still roger's not there but there's people still at amd who worked with me on that event and i was like and like to be clear just something to add in here because i know there's going to be people like me um that enjoy pointing out that it's not just amd that

does that it's happened with nvidia it's happened with intel it's happened with basically everybody it's happened a lot with amd and it's happened over the years it wasn't like centralized at one point yes amd has been disappointing me for as long as i've been making tech videos so it's like well before actually if we go if we go really far back yeah so that's my that's my problem you know that's why I have a really hard time with this. But fine, go, go. These look kind of awesome. They do look kind of awesome, but they always do this.

Okay, so here's where it could go wrong. Here's where it could go wrong. The drivers could be buggy and flaky, like we experienced with the 5700 series, speaking of disappointments that weren't very long ago. They have gotten better since then but at launch they just shouldn't have launched at that time like at launch they were not good uh so the drivers also continued continued driver support is is often a little bit more rough

on that side and they seem to prioritize like weird features that i don't think anyone really cares about and then kind of, they're like half asset. And then they're not competitive on stuff that matters, like video encoding. So disappointments. Another disappointment could be features. So they've like got an answer to everything from NVIDIA, but they've had an answer to a lot of NVIDIA's tech,

like Shadowplay, for example, for a long time, but it's done it. So who cares? So that's another way that it could disappoint. Another way it could disappoint is, so far, everything that I've seen in the slides is like average FPS. As far as I know, that's...

Here, hold on. Let me pull up these images. Yeah. All they're showing is frames per second, which I would have to assume is average frames per second. It could be terrible when it comes to like 99th percentile minimums and it could be really stuttery. Yeah.

So it could be a stuttery mess, you know, not actually effectively running at that level of smoothness. that level of smoothness um but also you know amd's recent swagger on the cpu side of things has been mostly based on measuring things the way that the tech press likes to measure it not just kind of like making up their own metrics for things and saying yay we're competitive go amd stalks you know like it's been it's been better than that for the most part yeah i'm gonna let amd into my heart one more time i think you'd do it more than once i think if they disappointed you this time i think you'd do it again but i i am feeling pretty good about this. They have been on an uptrend overall

for quite a while now. And we've been kind of waiting for GPU to catch up. Yes, we have. So hopefully this is it. I think if you just buy off the hop, I think no matter what the scenario, I think no matter what the brand, you're taking a risk.

I would still definitely wait for reviews. I would still definitely wait for reviews. I would also, I would also wait, we saw this with 3000 series. I would, I would also wait for, for user reviews as well. Oh yeah. A hundred percent, because even the professional reviewers, that's a sample size of, you know, dozens, right? And there's, there's some brute force style testing that you can't really do yes um like compatibility testing uh like weird settings in specific games um weird resolution combinations like a few things like that that just probably aren't going to get tested yep that's part of the reason why we've always suggested looking at a variety of reviewers absolutely and and that that also ties into user review so i would be cautious

but excited yeah this looks awesome i'm stoked i'm really happy to have them back up uh there's been all these memes like there's a meme of uh uh lisa sue dressed up as the reaper and like intel's door is already like knocked down uh and then they're like knocking on nvidia's door it's cool i like it i like that i like the the the energy i'm happy competition is coming intel had their day um now it's time for nvidia to hopefully get wrecked uh that would be very very healthy and good for the pc environment so i hope they it. I'm also excited to see just like full out Team Red computers. I think that's really cool. And something we haven't seen in a way that I would say is legitimately in quite a long time.

Have you seen this? i have not seen this but that's amazing only 426 people have seen this so far but we can uh i can post this in the chat if you guys want to go enjoy it for yourselves this is fantastic basically this this already existed but uh yeah anyway you know what it doesn't it doesn't matter let's just we can put we can put that away for now it's pretty funny uh yeah lots lots lots of amd memes these days one of the slaps that they did was out of stock we are definitely yet to see how many cards are going to be available let's wait and see um because with all the excitement around gaming in general right now guys like remember it's like not just techtober it's like new console launch techtober and new console launch means lots of

exciting games coming cyberpunk how many tens of thousands of people are going to be upgrading their gaming pcs for cyberpunk 2077 like yeah and it's and it's and it's covid techtober too oh yeah people are knowing they're going to be stuck inside over the winter way more than they normally are all that pent-up demand and they're they're ready to they're ready to do stuff one thing i don't have any demand for is amd graphics cards in my workstations am i wrong to think that open cl i don't think i don't think so well because generally um okay for one yeah it's probably just gonna be worse but also generally you've you've usually stayed a gen back haven't you for stability reasons um you know what you're talking about 3090s right now but like isn't that a thing usually we've stayed a gen back on cpu and gpu uh we are talking about going 3090 and

the reason for it is just that there's nothing current gen that makes any sense. So we could get current gen Quadros because we need more memory. That's the problem. So we can't go 2080 Ti. It's only got 11 gigs of memory. It's not enough. Because, and honestly, it's a bug with our 12K Blackmagic footage that we're trying to figure out if we can even freaking use

so rtx 3090 plus our threadripper workstations it seems to handle it but i do what i do like like you said i do worry about going current gen anything so that's part of it and then the other part of it is just nvidia's support in the applications that we use is just not even close to the same realm that AMD occupies. So it would be really, really tough for us to go AMD for our actual workstations. Even if I, even if I would consider it for my personal rig and you know what,

I'm going to be honest with you. Maybe part of this is just habit, but man, it would take more than just being price competitive for me to consider walking away from NVIDIA for my personal rig. Because you got to consider like, how does customer trust work, right? Like I remember a time

when graphics card driver crashes were a normal thing. I don't remember the last time I had one. And your experience might have been different. You know, maybe your power supply is not as good, or maybe there's some weird edge case compatibility issue with that game you love to play, or whatever the case may be. But my experience has been fantastic.

And for me, it's really hard at my, you know, stage in life where I don't have as much time to tinker with things. Like I don't even overclock my personal rig because I just can't be arsed. I don't need a little bit more performance per dollar. I need something that just works so that if I sit down and I'm like, I'm going to play a game, I play a game instead of playing tune the graphics card or reinstall the driver or whatever the case may be so it would be it would be really really really hard especially with with a lot of people doing work from home and their their personal computers are it's not just for for gaming or doing whatever else they

want to do on it personally but it's also for work stuff that has to have 100% offtime. It has to be like fantastic. AMD says they're making a commitment to, you know, driver it up. And, you know, that's great. But, you know, if you can't keep it consistent from one board partner to another, well, actually, yeah, you end up with an NVIDIA RTX 3080, don't you? We've got a chat from Ferno182 in the floatplane chat here. My experience with the 5700 XT reference gigabyte has been very good so far, but I know there's a lot of people that had tons of driver issues. Totally. Meanwhile, AJ is like, yep, yeah, mine's been great on my HTPC. But like, AJ, you went and you put it in like a secondary machine. Would you put it in your daily driver,

in your main rig? Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Interesting. There's a couple more interesting features that we should talk about that make Radeon 6000 series unique. There's 128 megs of infinity cache. That's on-die, that's over twice as fast as the GDDR6 and is apparently to help reduce memory bandwidth bottlenecks. And there's a set bonus. So this is interesting.

Smart access memory provides the CPU with full access to all of the GPUs memory. That is as long as you're running Ryzen 5000 series. And apparently you're looking at a six to 10% speed up in games that benefit. Now rumblings online suggest that this is an implementation of the resizable bar feature that Microsoft is pushing, meaning that future NVIDIA GPUs and Intel CPUs may support it, but it's only AMD for now. And what's really cool is that games don't necessarily need explicit support for it. That could be a very exciting advantage for AMD

in order to entice people to buy an all-red machine. It's cool. It's a cool feature. And I was, I was going to say like there, there's another thing that's going to get people to buy AMD, which is, which is anything but Intel NVIDIA fans, people that just want to anyways, but there's the same thing on the other side. Like you were saying, you're used to NVIDIA. so you might want to stick there anyways.

But yeah, you said earlier that AMD has had an answer for all of NVIDIA's features. I don't think that's quite true, but they also have unique stuff like this. So that's cool. Not very much. I think this is pretty much it. That's a pretty big deal though. It is.

It is super cool. Six to 10% extra performance is better than a kick in the teeth that's what i always say um and standard quote of mine and they've got rage mode which is an automatic overclocking function that essentially just sets a higher power target so it's not really overclocking and amd claims only a one to two percent speed up so pretty much it's just what you could do in like two seconds in afterburner on an nvidia card it's worth one needs to make a a custom pc that's like fire themed um and when when rage mode activates it like lights the flames up or something we actually have uh an engineer on staff at creator warehouse now that probably would have the capability to do something like that that would be

sick that would be amazing you guys should do it that'd be cool i don't want i don't want to be responsible for someone's house burning down okay let me get through this and then i will tell you something that this person's working on that is actually started out really stupid and is turning into something that maybe is cool uh so it's worth pointing out that nvidia's rtx 3070 launch was stretched out from the 27th to the 29th in what appeared to be an attempt to bury the radeon announcement however the amd hype seems to have prevailed uh we don't know how nvidia is going to respond but then again i did hold on let me just make sure this isn't embargoed burke not that burke different burke yes uh blah blah blah

sorry i had an email glitch. If you want to check out any of this for your test bed. Nope, not that one. Embargoed information, 1030. Embargo lift is, oh, wait, 1030, 6 a.m. Pacific time. Yeah, okay. Let me, yeah, okay. So NVIDIA has a Black Ops,

Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War bundle with RTX 3080 and 3090 that's running now so that's one of the responses is giving away games you can always tell competitions heating up when free games start coming with graphics cards again remember when graphics cards came with like four or five free games even like good ones like like you'd get like prince of persia and like some assassin's creed game and then like a couple of little ones you hadn't heard of. And like, yeah, cool. I've got like games to play for the next couple of months.

It also used to be like a relatively major form of, this was probably against terms of service, but it used to be a relatively major form of rebate. Because people would try to flip the games. Oh yeah, for sure. And it was a thing. People would try to flip the games. People, Luke?

People. Would you know the names of any of these people i don't know what you're talking about okay i have a worst confession okay okay when i was a sales rep from time to time i would have people come in and buy a system with sli and i'd be like hey you just got two copies of that game. You need both of them? More often than not, they'd be like, you know what? You've been very helpful. Here you go.

Oh, my God. I definitely got some games that way. Did you flip them? No, I tried to be a good boy. So, no, I did not actually flip games. I did give them away to people but i did not flip them okay okay um okay what were you gonna say sorry uh i don't think i remember at this point sweet okay i'm gonna talk about our project then i have a problem my feet sweat a lot like that's why i

wear sandals okay because i my i have i have boy feet. And when I play badminton in particular, they sweat so much that the outside of my shoes, which are like this thick at the top, the outside is like wet to the touch. Not damp, wet to the touch. So my problem is that if I play even two days apart, my shoes will still be damp, even with those little absorbent like ball things that you can put in them and when you play badminton in damp shoes or run in damp shoes or

whatever else uh your skin gets all soggy and makes it so that you can get blisters more easily or you can like rip off chunks of skin if you're particularly rambunctious um so i had a problem and i went to our new engineer who works for creator warehouse and i was like i want you to make me a shoe dryer so the concept okay hold on a second now such a thing does exist for like ski boot okay stop such a thing does exist for like ski boots, like a plug-in shoe dryer that sits in like your entryway at your ski lodge or whatever. So you can put your boots on and it dries it out. But I don't actually need anything that hardcore because it's not like a giant plastic boot. It's just like normal running shoes. So I just need any kind of airflow is what

I thought. So he did a proof of concept for me where he just put a little Noctua fan, just like sitting in a shoe. Not only did it dry out the shoe like many times faster, it actually dried out the entire gym bag way faster, which I thought was pretty cool. So I was like, okay, here's my, here's my sort of key performance indicators for this product. It needs to have good enough battery that I can work out three times a week and only charge it once a month. Um, it needs to be small enough to fit in my shoes. It needs to be affordable enough that I can like reasonably be expected to buy two of them, one for one for each of my shoes and uh and it needs to like i don't know kind of look cool so i saw you're gonna try to sell this i saw okay just hold on oh no oh

no i intended this as a product from the from the get-go so i saw a prototype today that is frankly that is frankly amazing. And get this, it might end up being not totally stupid. So what it is, is it's two like Tesla sized lithium ion cells. So it's like pretty big, pretty long. You know, it's thick. It's a thick boy. It's kind of heavy, but that's what it takes to get a month of battery life out of something.

So two big Tesla sized cells. It's got a little PCB that he designed and had printed for like a dollar somehow. I don't know how he managed to do that, but yeah, some, he knows a guy or something who does super cheap, like prototype grade PCBs. And then it's got a little knock to a fan at the end, little like five volt knock to a fan. And I was looking at it today and I was like, this is like 10,000 milliamp hour battery bank at this point. Why don't we just make it also a battery bank? And then Nick's standing there. Just hold on, hold on, hold on.

Nick's standing there and he's like, yeah. And if we need the fan to like blow air like around in it and circulate air, then we might as well just like make the fan a little bit more powerful. And it could also be just like a fan so you could have a battery bank hold on shut up shut up you could have a battery bank that is also a fan so it's like a hot day you just like hold it so you got your usb plugged into the end as you're charging your phone in your pocket or whatever you're like blowing blowing a fan on your face or or or or gaming from a gaming standpoint okay you put it up at

the edge of your mouse pad blow it over your gaming hand okay and if you're like you know going going going ham on a jog on the weekend or whatever and you know you're gonna go out you know the next day you want to go for a jog again you pop it in your shoe boom eight hours later your shoes dry ready to go the to go the the bit that you hold to have the fan below nice air on you can heat up as well so that it's an all-season sports device well it might just heat up anyway with those cells in there no actually probably not so so anyway what we could what we polo says no one will buy this don't worry about it don't worry about it so uh what was i going to say right what we're

going to have as sort of like a byproduct of this product just being what it is is the best cooled battery bank on the market those cells are going to run so frosty cool because they're going to be actively cooled i'm like very excited holiday on floatplane says so you started with a reasonable idea and then went full linus lol you turned into like full like back of the showroom floor product shelf thing so yeah i i i was hoping that it would be i was hoping it would be cheaper than what it will end up being but my one month of battery life is sort of a a tough one like most of the cost is just in the batteries in the battery excuse me these cells um are you are you willing and or interested in selling like lower about it

because like do you really need a month like i could plug my gym bag in every week um i think i think for me i want a month as for whether we could do like a because i don't want to like charge that all the time it's annoying like the whole point of it is that it's like how much more is it gonna cost well way more obviously like three times as much three times as much oh god i would definitely not pay three times as much. Three times as much. Oh, God. I would definitely not pay three times as much. Yeah, no. I mean, I'm cheap.

Maybe I'm not who you should be talking to. You're very cheap. I'm definitely not who you should be talking to. Yeah, you're very cheap. Okay, so guys. Okay, let me know. Let me know. Let me know.

Does anyone else want a shoe dryer? Okay. Should we straw pull this? I'm making it right now. Nice. I'm making it right now. I'm making it right now. Shoe dryer. If you post it on Twitch or Floatplane, I'll get it on the other one. All right, cool.

I'm throwing it on Floatplane. Floatplane votes first. Here we go. Advanced. Mail-in voting. Early access voting. All right. I got it in Twitch now.

There you go, ladies and gentlemen. And let's go ahead and throw it in YouTube chat. YouTube chat moves so fast. I don't even stand a chance here. You're obviously not going to. Oh, my God. I don't believe it at all. I don't believe it in the slightest.

I'm getting trolled. I guarantee you that's what this is whoa whoa hold speaking of people buying things from lttstore.com did you see luke adjusting himself in his chair there real quick there styles oh geez did you see that did you see that whoa what is that what is that is that a new item what hold on a second let me oh shoot i think i just oh shoot i think i just broke something oh boy well i'm breaking stuff i'm breaking stuff don't worry about it hold on i'll pick okay all right there we go let's go back to the where dang it where's the right one here it is oh yeah typists and gamers pick your flavor we've got four different colors we got blue we got brown we got red we got black

the black is sick nice and stealthy that's actually pretty cool the black is absolutely sick that was at the bottom of the stack i didn't even look at it because i was like i gotta wear the blue one yeah you don't have to you don't have to rep your preference. It just doesn't hurt. Shoot. I would personally go with either repping your preference or black. Because the black one's cool. Oh, no. What am I doing?

Oh, no. I moved my... Where is it? I can't find it. Is this it? Oh, no. You're breaking everything? Yeah, I broke everything.

Can you control Z changes that you've made to a scene in ops i don't think so oh what is this one oh yeah there's your problem okay so that'll go there uh hopefully i kind of lined it up with the other thing and then that'll go no stop this is horrible this is horrible i hate it there we go it helps i've no idea what's happening put my thing here yeah it doesn't it doesn't matter don't worry about it just means when i switch to our sponsors it's going to do that annoying stupid thing i just fixed it today after like weeks of not caring all right how about that oh wow that's not too bad oh that's a different thing all right cool so guys you want to go check that out by the way

in unrelated news the foil keyboard shirts there were three that were a little bit different we've only been contacted by two of the recipients so you guys got to make sure that you contact support if your foil keyboard shirt looks a little a little weird or a little different all right i wonder it's very possible that someone bought one of those shirts as a christmas gift oh that does seem possible or a holiday present okay well there's nothing i can really do about that whoops there we go all right anyway here's the uh here's the keyboard shirt if you guys didn't see it before. I think Luke was probably holding it up, but I had screen cap going. So there's the black one. There's the red one. Look at this guy. There's the blue one and the brown one. The black one actually has a little

bit of shine in it. So we put some sparkle kind of dye in it. So it's not just black. The other ones are more just pure colors. And we tried to get them as close to the stem color as we could. Luke, this is probably a stupid question, but do you happen to have a Cherry MX Blue keyboard handy? Yes. Luke looks down. Luke looks down somewhere else. How many Cherry MX Blue keyboards do you have handy, Luke? Three. Three. What a nerd. Oh, that's why i love that guy that's why i love that guy uh yes g holiday it is red it's very red in person there we go cherry mx blue so can we see the color compared to the shirt hey close enough looks good to me all right they're they're shrouded in in black like it's oh yeah it looks close the color is pretty close yeah

it's close enough that was that was what we were going for it's not like perfect but it's close enough we have some rocket lake details though uh so this was posted by random person1234 on the forum intel has been pretty quiet since amd announced the ryzen 5000 series dropping hints here and there that Rocket Lake is coming. Well, now we've got details. The new 11th gen core CPUs codenamed Rocket Lake will run in a new 500 series chipset and are using what Intel is calling Cypress Cove cores, which is essentially Ice Lake or Sunny Cove

backported to 14 nanometer. ported to 14 nanometer. Not necessarily the greatest or most exciting time for them to have a processor launch. No specific models were announced, but Intel's famous up to marketing points to eight cores and 16 threads at the top of the line. Dr. Ian Cutra says this is a balancing act for the inclusion of AVX512

as part of the Ice Lake architecture that it's based on. So yes, AVX512 is one of those things that for most consumers is not going to be particularly meaningful, but it's going to cost you two processing cores if you want to go Rocket Lake instead of the current Comet Lake S lineup. New features include a memory controller capable of DDR4-3200 natively, PCI Gen 4, four more CPU PCI Express lanes for a total of 20, which is on par with Ryzen, a new UHD graphics core based on Tiger Lake XE, new media encoding engine support, up to 4K60, 12-bit 4.4.4H.265, dang, and up to 4K60, 10-bit 4.2 420 AV1, and up to three 4K 60 displays. So that's pretty cool. Via DisplayPort 1.4 HDMI 2.0B. Oh, no HDMI 2.1, hey? That's kind of a bummer. Or DisplayPort

HBR3, which can support 8K 60. Ooh. It also has Intel Deep Learning Boost. Intel is claiming a double-digit improvement in IPC Gen over Gen and is focusing on clock speeds in its early marketing for 11th Gen. One of the most interesting things about this to me is just that we had this news, and people have been eating up processor news, like mad, for a long time now, even though there hasn't been a lot of experiences

that are going to really fully utilize them people have been really excited about processor news this drops at a similar time to the big navi announcement and just basically no one noticed that's pretty much all i gotta say about that that's pretty much that all right fair enough we can go back to our straw poll results though now the audience is divided i these are divisive times 48 say yes that's just what what's the question shoe dryeroe dryer. What does that mean? It means shoe dryer. I believe this is a brand new market segment that's being totally underserved right now.

Oh, my God. The market for people who sweat a lot in their shoes and need to dry them out. Because I ended up having to go buy a second pair of shoes so that i could alternate them if i'm playing too often otherwise i have a question i have a question no no i'm not done yet the second pair of shoes cheaper than the shoe dryer uh no no my shoes are pretty expensive i spend more on like badminton shoes for sure than like actual shoes that i wear um i also go through them a lot faster so no no not necessarily so here's what happened here's what happened i ended up owning two pairs of shoes because my previous solution was to put them behind my server actually to dry them and then put them back in my bag and then i forgot

them once and i got to play which is a 45 minute drive for me i arrived and i was like oh my oh my god i don't have badminton shoes and they won't let you on the court without non-marking shoes so either i could drive an hour and a half to go get shoes and completely miss my session or i could just buy shoes while i was there and i was like okay well i guess this isn't that bad i'll just have two pairs of shoes and then i'll just have one in my bag and one drying it's part of the reason why pro shops like exist is to grab that type of customer 100 they got me for like 120 bucks because i forgot my shoes so it's pretty brutal um yes that server room did not smell great when i was using it as a shoe dryer although on the subject of shoes not smelling good if you dry

your shoes quickly there's less opportunity for bacteria growth and the same can be said for your bag just having a little bit of airflow actually helps a ton interesting okay so you could increase the lifespan apparently you can get the nerve to your sweat glands cut to stop sweating there forever wow science like not officially gone too far no like sweating is a good thing hilarious you like you like want to sweat people that have that thing i don't remember what it is it makes so they can't sweat that's like that's like a problem huh like might be gross and stuff but it crazy's good. Crazy Town. All right. Speaking of Crazy Town,

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Wait, what? Oh, okay. Who is admitting this? Apparently the fastest to tell us in the live chat what the two new Smart Desk 4 features are wins a Smart Desk 4. This is a bad system for this. How the hell were we going to administrate this?

I would assume it would... You know what? We'll figure out the giveaway. No, forget it. The giveaway is off. We'll do the giveaway next week. We'll do the giveaway next week. We'll do the giveaway next week. We'll figure it out.

Okay. It's off. It's off. We'll do it next week. Oh man. Okay. Uh, why don't we go? That was quite the, the YOLO just thrown in at the end of the notes.

Did not think that one through. All right. Apple's been sued. Is privacy anti-competitive? Original article here is from MacRumors.com. In 2021, iOS 14 will require apps to get opt-in permission from users to collect their random advertising identifier, which advertisers use to deliver personalized ads and track how effective their campaigns were. Ahead of this change, advertising companies and publishers have filed a complaint against Apple

with France's competition authority, arguing that the enhanced privacy measures would be anti-competitive. The complaint alleges that the wording of Apple's permission prompt will lead most users to decline tracking of their device's advertising identifier, which could result in lost revenue!

Lost revenue! For advertisers! Oh no, oh jeez. In August, in lost revenue lost revenue for advertisers oh no oh geez in august facebook warned advertisers that the prompt could lead to a more than 50 drop in audience network publisher revenue yeah get rekt facebook in a statement apple reiterated its belief that privacy is a fundamental right adding that if people don't bring their phones to an apple store they shouldn't really be allowed to fix them anyway should they sorry no that's not what they said have you seen all the stuff with the new iphone 12 i've seen some of it yeah it's still rumored but it looks like, actually, I think displays are confirmed that they are tied to the

SOC. And then I think it's rumored that camera modules in the 12 might be tied to the SOC as well, which is like totally arbitrary and unnecessary. Anyway, no, in a statement, Apple reiterated its belief that privacy is a fundamental right, adding that a user's data belongs to them and they should get to decide whether to share their data and with whom. Apple said its own data collection doesn't count as tracking because it doesn't share the data with other companies. Okay.

See, if Apple just didn't collect this data, then they would have a stronger leg to stand on. So they say only we can benefit from your data. I also like as much as, and like, you know what? Sometimes even when they find a way to make a personal gain, you can applaud companies attempts

to do things for the people because you might as well. And if they can find some way to make it benefit themselves, then that's great. But this very, very much just seems like an attack on Google. Apple's position here says Conan Kudo

over in the float plane chat doesn't really square with them building their own search engine and ad network. Yeah, they're just fighting Google. Yeah, cool. Oh, and apparently that is confirmed, the display and camera. Wait, no, I don't think the camera one is confirmed.

Okay, I don't wanna put my foot in my mouth here, so I'm just not gonna say anything. If I'm gonna put my foot somewhere,'s going to be in a dry shoe hey apple said that the prompt will be displayed on an app by app basis and apple already delayed the introduction of the prompt until early 2021 to provide developers with more time to make the necessary changes now i would i would i would like this slightly different in a way that would piss the other people that aren't apple off even more um and that would be to to just have one like sure okay by default it could be app by app basis but i would love to just have one override that's just like yep just don't share it ever screw that would be general ads i don't want targeted ads you're still gonna get ads just to be clear uh oops my bad sorry anger pandy pc i fixed it uh camera is apparently confirmed

okay there you go so that's terrible news uh so much for right to repair see you later uh what about right to not sign into facebook on the oculus quest 2 turns out it was jailbroken already a vr researcher claims to have discovered a successful oculus quest 2 turns out it was jailbroken already a vr researcher claims to have discovered a successful oculus quest to jailbreak giving rude access to the device how long has this thing been out like two weeks not long but the uh okay sorry keep going no no i i want to hear your part of the story because it's exciting it's the best part almost immediately on twitter palmer lucky and and others offered jailbreaking bounties for people that would jailbreak this device. It looks like WebXR developer Robert Long offered a $5,000 reward for jailbreaking the Quest 2, a bounty that Oculus Rift inventor Palmer Lucky claimed he would match.

OK, so I guess it was Robert Long first. claimed he would match okay so i guess it was robert long first um i i even thought about jumping in but i wasn't going to jump in that high and the amount that i was willing to jump in at was was pathetic so i just five bucks five bucks yeah if there was some like a go fund me and that would have like gone towards it i would have i would have chipped in something just be just as a like screw you guys like i don't even want an oculus quest 2 and i'm not going to get one um but yeah i i've tried it it's very compelling it's like very compelling i mean you already have an index so it's like it's irrelevant for you i guess but yeah it's very compelling it's like like if you have a facebook account anyway and you don't like give a hoot. Oh yeah. In the interest of FTC disclosure guidelines, our Oculus Quest 2 video that's coming is

sponsored. So I need to make sure you guys know that, but this is, this is just not part of our agreement with them. So this isn't just me talking off the cuff and there's, the odds are exactly zero that anyone working on that deal from the agency or whatever is looking at this. So I don't even care. It's's very compelling i've also heard that value um well i i'm i'm here and i'm for pooping on facebook all day every day but i have heard that while there are reports of people getting banned for no reason yep and and like there's that guy that had like literally never

posted anything or done anything on his Facebook account ever. And he got banned and all this other jazz. I've heard it's relatively few and far between. Um, and it's not like actually a problem that, that a very noticeable amount of consumers are having. I don't know how true that is. I'm sure people on like the Oculus subreddit and stuff would like to step in there more. I haven't been paying too much attention to it because like you said, I have an index. So I don't I don't really care that much. But I just think it's absolutely amazing that people came together to support someone jailbreaking this. And I think it's absolutely amazing that it happened.

It's just so quickly. I love it. Yeah. To be clear, I'm still not recommending that you run out and jailbreak your device we have no idea what this means for the long term of like software updates and stuff like that uh but the fact that it's possible i mean the thing is so cheap that at least there's like relatively little risk i mean it's still 300 don't get me wrong it's it's an expensive toy but compared to like previous vr headsets of this grade like the lenses are great oculus has always had better lenses than anyone else that still got

it the pixel density is a step up from last gen like a noticeable step up from last gen the fact that you can flip between wireless like standalone mode and, and then wired with a USB-C cable so seamlessly and quickly is really cool. 72 hertz, real bummer. But it's a 90 hertz display, and apparently 90 hertz will be unlocked officially moving forward at some point. And it's already been hacked as well, so.

Fantastic. Someone in the Gondamar, in the Flowplane chat, mentioned the fact that it's already been hacked as well. Fantastic. Someone in the Gondomar in the Flowplane chat mentioned the fact that it's happening at all is bad. And what he means by that is like the weird random bans from Facebook not being able to use your VR device and all this other stuff. Oh, I strongly agree. Don't get me wrong.

I'm just saying most users aren't experiencing that. And weird random vac bans are bad too. Yep. Yeah, like that's bad but it's also just not unique to facebook or the oculus quest 2 it's true and it should have never happened and facebook should have had their their grubby fingers not in there at any point in time but it it's it's a thing where we live in this world now um speaking of worlds we live in retina 10 000 pixel per inch display developed this was uh from the stanford news brief one of the biggest problems with vr is the screen door effect or the gaps between pixels that you noticed when looking at a display that's so close

to your eyes well it may soon be a thing of the past samsung and stanford have made a 10 000 pixel per inch display that could lead to flawless VR, assuming we had the graphics horsepower to drive the frigging thing. The new OLED tech uses films to emit white light between reflective layers. One silver and another made of reflective metal with nano-sized corrugations. Nano corrugations! This optical meta surface,

man, these words are so great changes the reflective properties and allows specific colors to resonate through pixels the design allows for much higher pixel densities than you see in rgb oleds on phones but doesn't hurt brightness to the degree that you see with white oleds and tvs would that be easier to push as well like if they're if they're just reflecting things are you are you pushing no they're still pixels in addition to having a record-setting pixel density the new metaphotonic oled would be brighter with better color accuracy than existing ones and easier and more cost effective to produce this sounds like it sounds like carbon nanotubes at this point yeah it's gonna be better and cheaper and easier you're gonna love it. Once we can make more than one of them.

Samsung is apparently already working on a full-size display using this 10,000 pixel per inch tech and the design of the corrugations makes large-scale manufacturing viable. Wow. So this may just be a question of when and where rather than if. That's pretty, that's pretty exciting. Speaking of when and where, you should check out that next link. The Verge.

Oh yeah, I saw this. Hilarious. Yeah. Amazon's brand new Razer phones have a fingerprint warning. We apologize if you see fingerprints on your device. Amazon apparently was unboxing phones and folding them for customers fingerprint warning we apologize if you see fingerprints on your device uh amazon apparently was unboxing phones and folding them for customers to reduce the odds of them being uh of them

arriving with shipping damage they said in quote we apologize if you see fingerprints on your device wait oh no hold on a second motorola now tells the verge that it's the one doing the folding motorola is packaging the new razor in its closed form at the factory level. Once the device leaves our facilities, it is not reopened. Motorola places strict requirements on handling with gloves and sanitation procedures along with shipping protocols. We will continue to closely monitor. Wait, what? That doesn't add up.

Yeah, that's actually the next line of the article here. There's something doesn't add up. If they're being packaged at the factory level by people with gloves, why would we be warned about fingerprints? Okay. There's a specific incident that caused the shift. Okay. Well, either way, if you're buying a Motorola Razr, you're doing it wrong anyway. So most of you people watching this are probably more savvy than that

and didn't buy a Motorola Razr. So it should be fine. The nostalgia of your old school Razr from the like early mid 2000s is not worth it yeah to buy a lenovo phone that has a mediocre camera like i don't really i don't really understand if you absolutely must have a folding candy bar phone then just get a z flip yep if you must have one why you must have one i can't fathom it but if you must um oh this is weird super chat seemed to be broken that is super unfortunate i can only see the ones from 657 and on don't resend them though guys uh i i do see haze buster much love from germany thank you for that um and blixa says

i know this won't be read till later but just wanted to mention that even with a vac ban you can still use your index hey that is true that is true but you could also depending on your steam account be out much more than the cost of an index so luke's and my point was just that random bands for no reason are bad no matter who does it yes that was that was what we were getting at there. Yeah. All right. I think that's pretty much it for the big news this week. Is there anything else

you wanted to touch on, Luke? I don't think so. I wanted to bring up that folding phone thing just because I thought it was funny. I think people should go subscribe to Floatplane so they get to see

Secret Shopper on time. Yes. Secret Shopper is going to be early access on floatplane.com and it is a doozy it is a doozy this time around spoiler alert it's a doozy that's not really a spoiler but it's definitely i'm actually pretty excited i really really enjoyed the last one i thought it was awesome um That was genuinely fantastic content. And I've been wanting a follow-up because it's been long enough that, like, very significant changes could have happened. Heck yeah.

All right. I will... Oh, yeah. I should go through a few super chats here. Cameron Ogletree says, Linus fixed the lower third. Oh, yeah. I fixed that. Eric says, check out Cedar Show Trees if you want to really extend the life of your shoes. Cedar Show Trees. Cedar Show Trees. What are you talking about?

Cedar. Shoe Trees. Shoe Trees. Did I just read that wrong? No, you typed that wrong. Did I just read that wrong? No, you typed that wrong. Cedar shoe trees. Got it. Okay. Something, something. Yeah, I mean, for me... You found your...

Here's your competitive analysis, Linus. Yeah, I really don't need a cedar shoe tree because the main... What wears out my shoes is that my feet, like, wear through the bottoms of them and the top layer, like like rips off just from the force of like like uh like lunging on the gym floor or like moving side to side like i know you mentioned this but like the it can screw your feet up like really fast

yeah and your shoes. Yeah. What else we got here? Did you know that the Gateway brand has come back? Says Nijol. Did you know that I don't care? I'm pretty sure we talked about that quite a while ago. So brutal. Gateway.

William says, yo Linus, we all saw the mouse pad samples you got. It's been a while now. What's going on with them? They're coming. We have placed our bulk order they are 100 coming uh yeah all i know is bitwit got to market before you guys did yes kyle messaged me he's like hey noticed you guys don't have any mouse pads thought i'd send you a couple mouse pads what's your address oh go f**k yourself k Seahob says, can you say hey to my wife, Jen? Yes, I can.

And that's pretty much it. Thank you guys very much for tuning into the WAN Show. We will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Apparently mouse pads are going on a ship tomorrow. There you go. That's from the one and only Nick Light.

Oh, oh no. There you go. That's from the one and only Nick Light. Oh, oh no. There we go. Holy crap. You were crazy today. What did I do? You know we're still rolling, right? Oh, you're talking to me. Yeah, I was blinded.

You were nuts. No, this guy just decided he wanted maximum attention. You know what else is crazy? Rancho gets like 25,000 live viewers. That's kind of nuts. It's like the least efficient way to get your tech news. Yeah. It literally airs at the same time as the most efficient way to get your tech news

i tech linked i watched slash listened to the weirdest wanshow review recent what what do you want um where the guy was talking about how he only watches wanshow for tech news and it's one of the wanshow is one of the only things on YouTube that he, like, if it's there, he will definitely click on it. He will potentially like middle click it into a different window or, or click on it and watch it right away. Like it'll be one of the two guaranteed every time because he finds it's like the, the best source of tech news. And like, he gets everything and like, we have good analysis and all this kind of stuff. And I was like, what are you talking about we're off topic like almost constantly all of our news is old yeah i mean i appreciate it but yeah

all right bye-bye. Bye. And we are off YouTube. And...