The WAN Show - My Investment Pays Off - WAN Show May 20, 2022

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the WAN Show where we're going to be coming at you guys with all of the hot takes Just kidding, no hot takes today because all of our news is extremely straightforward Starting with, of course, that Elongate continues That's right, Twitter is threatening to enforce, or rather, could enforce Consummation of the agreement for their $44 billion sale. Meanwhile, Elon has formed or is forming a hardcore litigation department, or as I call it, the hold. In other news, Framework, who I have invested in, full disclosure,

Starting point is 00:00:40 Framework has joined Intel's 12th generation with a new motherboard and some other really exciting news that is going to be a great news for right to repair advocates what else we got today uh this topic that made me frown until i read it and then it made me give have a slight chuckle which is microsoft patent system to play discs on consoles with no disk drive. Try to figure it out before we get to the topic. I figured it out. It's USB. Whoa, that's crazy. How did anyone get that?

Starting point is 00:01:15 We can talk about how stupid that is later, though. And YouTube is highlighting the most replayed parts of videos. Hooray. That's news. Amazing. All right. Well, enough news. I have things. That's news. Amazing. All right. Well, in other news. I have things to say about it.

Starting point is 00:01:27 Here's an intro. Okay. I always die. let's jump right into our first topic which is not going to be the stupid elon thing instead it's going to be talking about framework laptop there are two interesting things to announce from this week this was originally posted on the forum by michael muto that is the ltt forum and the original article here is from Ars Technica. Let's see if I can remember how all this stuff works. There it is.

Starting point is 00:02:10 That's right. You can buy the Framework Laptops motherboard for $399 and make your own mini PC. This system could also, I mean, I guess it's not really a system. It's just like the ability to just use it outside of the case, which should have just existed, but I guess didn't. This could also help you repurpose an old framework board

Starting point is 00:02:34 after upgrading. If, say, for example, you wanted to upgrade to da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da the new 12th Gen motherboard. That's right. Pre-orders have opened up for Framework laptops equipped with Intel's latest chips in both fully assembled and DIY SKUs. Likewise, the company now also sells standalone logic boards, starting at $399, as we showed you just now.

Starting point is 00:02:58 That's a Core i5-1135G7. 12th Gen boards will be coming later. For now, they need them for completed systems. Framework also released schematics on GitHub to help people design their own 3D printable cases if they want to repurpose an old board for VESA-mounted AIO

Starting point is 00:03:16 desktop use. This is awesome. This is the kind of reduce and reuse that help us avoid the third R word. Recycle. We don't want to recycle things that we can still be reducing or reusing and this is one of the reasons that i got so angry when apple first released their 5k imac because previous imacs actually had the ability to continue to breathe new life into them as a monitor once you were done with the computer inside.

Starting point is 00:03:46 Generally a really good monitor too. Now, there were justifiable reasons for Apple to not take that approach with the iMac 5K. It actually required a very special DisplayPort implementation to achieve that resolution at 60 hertz at that time on DP1.2. They had to bond together two connections something something etc it doesn't matter the point is that nowadays they could absolutely re-enable it but now that they've normalized not being able to continue to use your aio computer as a monitor once the computer's not useful they've just been like eh forget it and to be

Starting point is 00:04:23 clear monitors let's go anyone else who doesn't do that sucks too. But the reason that I harp on Apple as much as I do is that as Apple goes, the rest of the industry tends to follow because you can't possibly not be feature for feature competitive with Apple. Otherwise, you're going to look like a flipping idiot. So Apple's got all this extra pressure on them to set a good example and they take all that pressure crumple it up into a ball and throw it in a fire because they just don't care it's really funny have you seen any of the new uh accounts coming out of sort of the the the rift between

Starting point is 00:05:00 joni ive and tim cook and like how he ended up splitting because get this, Joni Ive felt like Apple was being far too utilitarian focused in its designs. Whoa. Good riddance, Joni. Whoa. That ain't the problem.

Starting point is 00:05:17 That's great. Do you know where he's going? No, he left ages ago. This was way back. This was way back. He runs his own like design firm if you, I guess, want to... I was going to Google it, but I don't care.

Starting point is 00:05:29 Yeah, fair enough. Yep, sounds good. In other news, speaking of schematics, Framework also published semi-complete technical schematics for the laptop boards as well. It's not hugely detailed, but the sentiment around it so far is that it represents a good start. Considering that no other manufacturers have any publicly available schematics to speak of, I consider this at least a step in the right direction for them. But

Starting point is 00:05:58 as always, my stance on my framework investment is going to be that if they do not continue to live up to their promises to you and to me my intention is to dump their stock publicly messily they knew this going into it and that was kind of like half the value for them i think oh yeah is that i've essentially got a gun to their head being like no for real though i might just be a shareholder and a relatively minor one at that but if you guys this up it's gonna be really bad like really bad you're theoretically the canary right in this scenario which is which is cool it's kind of nice that they have that so this is wow this is actually really helpful you are there don't be evil i i like it except if the don't be evil goes away this time it won't be like quiet it'll be loud and i've got you guys

Starting point is 00:06:52 to hold me accountable yeah this is actually great so they've yeah they've got part numbers they've got what voltages these are supposed to be running at, which is, yeah, like, okay, yeah, it's not perfect, but even just having like pinouts for things, a lot of this can be reverse engineered as we've seen. But what if, what if, what if? You didn't have to. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:07:21 Yeah. What if we just didn't have to? What if you just went, hey, you you guys are gonna figure this out anyway why don't we all just work together i love it i'm extremely happy i wish they had ryzen 2 zorg 666 i truly do i i have to i have to believe that they are working on that. I think the reality of it is that AMD just has not had chips to fulfill orders with over the last 18 months since their laptop SKUs have actually been competitive. And if AMD has to allocate silicon to something these days,

Starting point is 00:08:01 I think we can all agree it needs to be Steam Techs. I still... Get an email yet? No. When did you order? I ordered on WAN Show. I don't know if it was announced that day. But if it was announced that day, I ordered that day.

Starting point is 00:08:19 But within the first week? Yeah. So anyone who waited for any of our you know future coverage you know showing off the hardware or anything like that oh here's a here's a potentially interesting take on it i don't know if i've mentioned this or not yet i don't i don't know if i'm gonna get it at this point really yeah why because a big part of the reason why i wanted to get in the first place was the same kind of reason why i was really into like buying those early uh vr devices it's because it was really cool to be on like that cutting edge yeah yeah you've already missed

Starting point is 00:08:52 a ton of software changes on it yeah like it's a different device than it was the first day i got i'm gonna get it like a year after it launched not only that but it's not like The handheld gaming PC market Is standing still Is this embargoed Hold on a second Let me just find out If anyone's talking about this One second please They're still working on day one applicants

Starting point is 00:09:19 Yeah Really Why this is someone in full play chest I don't know. But, I mean, I believe them. Considering they still haven't got to mine, like, they can't be that far. Okay, this is apparently out there, so I guess it's fine. But I just got my hands on this.

Starting point is 00:09:39 It's a Gundam edition of the 1X Player Mini. And, like, I know I've... Wow, that looks sick. i know i have trumpeted the cool a lot but i gotta say as far as colorways and designs go this is so much better than what anyone else has done so far that it just blows my mind. That actually looks insane. Like the buttons look amazing. The semi-metallic look that they got on these buttons looks flipping unbelievable. Wow.

Starting point is 00:10:12 And AYA has actually just announced an OLED version of their, I forget what it is. It's the AYA Neo 2, I think they're calling it. But it's OLED. It's going to be RDNA, RDNA, what RDNA are we on now? RDNA 3 or whatever. So it's going to be next gen, next gen graphics. It's going to have, what is it? Ryzen, Ryzen 6000.

Starting point is 00:10:35 Okay. Hold on. INEO 2 on the Ryzen 6800U. Ryzen 6800U specs. I think it's RDNA 3. I'm having trouble keeping track of everything these days. There's so many numbers and so many letters. Just show it to me. Radeon 6ADM. Yeah, I believe so. So it's apparently OLED, which is going to be the first of its kind. That's one of my big complaints about the Steam Deck is that the screen is fine. It's not great. It's fine. It's a value device screen, but a well-done one, you know? And so by the time you could get a response to your application to buy a Steam Deck,

Starting point is 00:11:16 there could be devices that just make way more sense. For sure. And the whole early adopter-ness is going to be gone, which is like something that i i like a lot i just i don't know i'm just i i suspect by the time they emailed me and they're like hey you can spend hundreds of dollars on this i'm just not actually going to be that interested anymore well knowing like myself having your place in line though i mean if by that time valve is upgrading the steam deck and it's gonna have like a next

Starting point is 00:11:46 generation soc that might be the only way to be first in line for the timing might be good yeah yeah the timing might be like i haven't i don't even know if you can i haven't like canceled my spotted line i just don't 100 know of when they finally do offer it if i'll still even be interested um we'll see yeah aya has apparently not released pricing for the ineo 2 and i don't have any insider information but it would surprise me a lot if the pricing was the same as what they have done previously rather than being more competitive with the steam deck all right discussion question what is the biggest omission in framework schematic drop yeah i don't think either we'd have to dive through the whole thing yeah prepared for that a lot more deeply than

Starting point is 00:12:40 allows thanks for the thanks for the complete bus throw, Jonathan Horst, by putting that question in there for us. What sort of public policy related to schematics would be fair to manufacturers and repair shops alike? Okay, that's a better discussion question. Luke, how can a manufacturer protect their IP while also allowing for third-party repair shops to repair these devices? Because first-party repair is not always a good answer, depending on where you are or what your financial means are. It just might not make sense.

Starting point is 00:13:21 And then there's that whole reduce reuse thing. Like even if it doesn't make a ton of financial sense, shouldn't we enable people to keep these items out of the shredder? It's kind of actually a pretty tough question because you could just say like, oh, like patent it, whatever. But that doesn't necessarily work all that great, especially once you get to out of country manufacturers. Oh, yeah. No, it's difficult. And then you could also say like oh well you should just like

Starting point is 00:13:48 stick to your ethics and your morals and whatever and then like be the company that people want to buy from and like yeah sure that's all great but then uh the world population has shown that if something's cheaper they don't much care about anything else. Um, so it's, it's kind of tough. I don't know. Making policy for that is going to be kind of tough. I think a, yeah, I don't know. Find, finding something that is going to work universally. So a situation where it's policy, um, does genuinely sound pretty hard. Um pretty hard in regards to forcing people to make things like schematics available. And I don't know if the right to repair movement actually goes that far. I mean, the thing for me is that I feel like anything that can be found by simply analyzing it might as well just be provided.

Starting point is 00:14:47 For sure. But how do you make policy around that? Because that's the thing that I'm currently getting hooked up on, is they specifically said policy. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, for my knee-jerk reaction is that I might not want to... Oh, see, that's tough. And I might not want to force manufacturers to reveal the model of chip that they're using. But then they have to reveal the trace layout, for example.

Starting point is 00:15:17 Because that's something that we could just x-ray and find if we were willing to put the time into it. And all you're really doing is increasing the barrier between large repair shops and small mom-and-pop repair shops. But then if we don't tell them they have to reveal which chips are being used, well, then all of a sudden, if there's a failed component on the board, so, okay, what, you've got a blown trace,

Starting point is 00:15:39 now you can painstakingly put a hair-sized wire in to repair that. But if you can't replace the component that caused the trace to blow in the first place, then it's not really useful. I mean, you could... Okay, here's something. You could have like a stair-step style level of responsibility. So right at release, you know, within some period of time, let's say a year, you can say, look, everything is trade secret, especially at the rate that technology moves.

Starting point is 00:16:12 Within a year, you could say, okay, everything is trade secret. Within two years or 36 months, there's an additional responsibility to release it. And then the second that the product is EOL, responsibility to release it and then the second that the product is eol the second you are no longer producing let's say brand new ones or replacement parts or maybe each of those events triggers a new level of disclosure by the time this product is completely eol and you are no longer supporting it in any way it is my belief that the full schematics just need to be published yeah and there's there's potentially another way to approach this that i thought of while you were talking which is like like you're talking and this is generally how policy goes so it makes sense but you're talking

Starting point is 00:16:52 about like uh restrictions that maybe lift over time yeah um or i guess more restrictions that come in place over time you have to release more things over time which kind of makes sense to me because it's going to be more interesting to repair this thing after it's been out for a year, 24 months, et cetera. Yeah, and it's going to be more likely to come up, right? Like most of them aren't going to fail in the first year. And if they do,

Starting point is 00:17:16 they're going to be immediately replaced under warranty. Yeah. So once you would get to the external repair shop stage, those things would be available. But I could also see a more positive reinforcement angle potentially working where you go the route of like innovation grants to companies that are willing to support things that are like right to repair. So like you know the like up here there's like Shred and all that other stuff yeah you could have that same system or maybe a very similar system start applying to companies that are willing to help repair shops keep their things around gremlin injector over on float planes got an interesting idea um says eol could be gamed

Starting point is 00:17:58 yeah that's fair enough i mean we've seen we've seen dishonesty from manufacturers in terms of whether or not they are actually still producing a particular part. 100%. Theoretically, it's up on their website, but no one's been able to buy it for six months. Why don't you just make it by the time the first unit sold is no longer under warranty? Because that puts pressure on manufacturers

Starting point is 00:18:18 from two fronts. One is to support them for longer, and two is to provide more information. I think you'd need to get into the weeds of how you define warranties and stuff at that point. But that's something you could do. Doesn't seem insurmountable. That'd be cool.

Starting point is 00:18:35 I'd like that. Alex P from our editing team asks, so what about bankruptcies or companies that disappear? I, man, see that's, that's tough. Now it's very, I shouldn't say very rare, but I think it's not, I think I'm pretty sure that it's less common these days for companies to utterly disappear the way they might have a hundred years ago because of how much value of a company is tied up in its intellectual property and its patents. So I would say that that

Starting point is 00:19:05 responsibility should fall to whoever the acquirer is, whoever the acquiring party is. And if they do actually disappear outright, I see no reason whatsoever why that internal information shouldn't just be public domain. As for who administers that, well, that gets a lot more challenging. Gremlin Injector also said, innovation grants equals free money, lol. Yeah, and it's crazy. I had a conversation with someone very recently about this, about how it's been very hard for us to get things like shred credits and stuff. Even when like, I'm not even trying for certain things that I know don't apply, but there's certain things that we do that 100% applies. And we push for it. And then we end up getting in this situation where it becomes this endless paper train that they want us to fight for. And then you look at mobile game developers

Starting point is 00:19:55 and they have, the one that I know of the best has a department, which is a legal team department. Their entire job is capturing government grants. That's literally all they do throughout the entire year is they fight legal battles for government grants. And I'm like, yeah, it sucks that that is a profitable thing to have on your team. That sucks. Personally, I think that sucks. I don't know. I don't want to get like way into the weeds of it, but that's unfortunate. Oh, production services tax credits are the exact same thing. I'm sure. By the time you reach the scale where you can engage with the government of Canada and get that stuff pushed through, you don't need it nearly as badly as you did five years ago when you didn't have the kind of time and resources.

Starting point is 00:20:41 It's extraordinarily frustrating. kind of time and resources it's extraordinarily frustrating and that entire industry seems to be set up to make sure that that information doesn't leak outside of the i'm going to use the term old boys club even though there's plenty of not boys who are not old in it but i think you understand the connotation of an old boys club yeah uh they don't want that information about how to do it to leak out there's so many things that are like that. Like you'd think it just wouldn't be political. Realtors are the same way. Like you've got, we have encountered situations where we know for a fact that especially commercial

Starting point is 00:21:16 realtors are the worst where they are absolutely not acting in good faith in the, to, to best represent their client because they'll basically, they, we've been told. They get a percentage. So if it sells for more, they make more money. Well,

Starting point is 00:21:31 no, not just that. We've been told in the past that they won't even look at our offer unless we are represented by a commercial realtor that they approve, for example. Like the selling retails. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:42 Yeah. So, so our representative needs to be like their buddy so that everyone can just, you know, yeah. It's a hundred percent. Yeah. It's gross.

Starting point is 00:21:52 Yeah. It's gross. And like, okay. Residential real estate, generally speaking, does a pretty good job of ending up on MLS or Roo or whatever else. Commercial very rarely does.

Starting point is 00:22:03 It usually changes hands before even being publicly listed and a lot of the public listings are just like it's like the client forced them to do it like just utterly bare bones almost never pricing like most of the information you need isn't there so you end up having to contact them and go and see it anyway and it's by design it's so that they don't have to work with anyone that they don't want to i i i hate it the whole the whole realtor grift is extremely frustrating which isn't to say that i don't use one or value the services that ours provides a very very knowledgeable uh you know broker or agent or whatever else or assistant or whatever you want to call it when when you're being when you're going through a transaction that it is likely to be if not will be the largest that you will go through in your entire life having an expert guiding hand, yeah, can be pretty useful.

Starting point is 00:23:06 It's just that most of the ones that I've encountered are flipping idiots who are just looking to make a quick buck. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of money in it, so. Yeah, there really shouldn't be as much as there is. No offense. Canada's real estate situation. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:24 You know. All right. What are we supposed to be talking about Stuff tech things Not real estate No I want to talk about LTTstore.com Ayy Okay you guys complained We heard you The women's sweatpants and crop top sweaters

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Starting point is 00:23:56 Well what you want to say something other than that You know I don't know I like the rainbow one on the on the pants yeah the rainbow one's sweet the rainbow one's pretty dope yeah so we have a couple different designs oh there's two okay okay i get it yeah these are these are pre pre-orders so they're expected to ship by may 25th 2022 we're getting them embroidered locally so uh embroidered in Canada. Yo, the block design is cool. The block design is really cool.

Starting point is 00:24:27 That's not actually the one I preferred. I preferred the person one. You like the script one? I did. Yeah, I like the block one. And in other news, we've got another promo. We do have some items we need to get moving a little bit faster. So if you use code MEMELORD for the next seven days

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Starting point is 00:25:03 Linus's screen. Here, let's scroll through all the other things that we might actually make money on. Oh, wait, Nick says the date is wrong. Hold on. Uh-oh. That date is wrong. It's not May 25th.

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Starting point is 00:25:22 I'm going to scroll past that you guys could also buy as part of your order when you're getting free pillows. So if you pick up either of these mouse pads, the desk pad or the mouse pad, you will get this sequin pillow. Oh, one of them. Okay, cool. There you go.

Starting point is 00:25:40 The reviews are excellent for the sequin pillow. We just ordered too many of them. It happens. you go my reviews are excellent for the sequin pillow we just ordered too many of them it happens it's probably all right what are we talking about next we take the lab in x days oh sure yeah let's talk about that i can't believe you are going to have an office for the first time i think since you worked here. Private office? No. In 12 days?

Starting point is 00:26:08 No. When did you have a private office before? I had your office for like a long time. Oh, yeah, that's true. And then I took it. And then you took it. Well, I mean, in fairness, you were not in it. And then now I work in the lounge.

Starting point is 00:26:18 Yes. Well, okay. So for the second time. On my laptop. For the second time. That's literally falling apart. For the second time. It's awesome.

Starting point is 00:26:24 You can afford a new laptop. Yeah. And and if you needed one issued you could just ask logistics i don't want to ask but no i know i know i know i know this is how this is how you know the laptop's actually completely fine i don't you can see you can see the topic okay you can see the topic right above that. Okay? I actually didn't read that. And you play into this narrative that I'm some kind of monster. Because it's funny. Yeah, but people think it seriously.

Starting point is 00:26:59 I still think it's funny. I think it's funny too. We did this intro for the moving vlog video where I'm like, I'm assembling my logistics Avengers and the number of actually serious comments actually concerned that they look so unenthusiastic to be there like I have

Starting point is 00:27:15 some kind of gun to their head forcing them to come help me move because I'm some kind of weird awful overbearing boss or something i'm sitting here going they were told it's completely completely optional they were paid okay they were paid and they were instructed before that shot to look unenthusiastic because it's funny yeah because it's funny when people have to help someone move.

Starting point is 00:27:45 It sucks. And you know what? I don't think it sucks. I have always liked helping people move. Yeah, but it's like, it's a meme. It's because it's not me. Every time I have had to move, I hate it. But if I help someone else move,

Starting point is 00:27:58 it's like, oh, this is cool. Of course we had fun. We were hanging out for the whole day and like... Running around with running around with andy yelling content at things and entertaining exactly content and let me put it this way they they were fine okay but we worked out a deal where it was fine like just chill it's unbelievable i don't force people to work here like you ordered lunch for people too i

Starting point is 00:28:25 actually don't have that power people didn't want to be here they could just leave i mean some of them do and they're fine because the people who work here are world-class employees it's not hard for them to find a freaking job oh so if luke's needed a new laptop He could have one You want a new laptop? Here Just take it Are you going to pull out another one? I don't want it anymore

Starting point is 00:28:55 I get two laptops now Okay there Here you know what just take this one too There I'm going to go get more I'll take this one too thank you there i actually i'm gonna go get more i'll keep this one this one's pretty sweet yeah i don't want a new laptop actually unless it's this one i would keep this one this one's sick yeah i mean i'll take a laptop you want one yeah i mean if there's being handed out here no you can take this one oh thanks i'll come grab it later yeah yeah no worries you can have that one that one's the coolest one um

Starting point is 00:29:24 yeah so the laptop's fine which is why i don't have a new one it is falling apart oh my goodness oh god oh i hope this is a folding laptop i think it is is that enough laptops for you this is a a folding laptop, right? Yeah, it has that kind of hinge. I think it's right. Oh, God. Okay. Okay. Now we have enough laptops.

Starting point is 00:29:51 So we've solved that problem once and for all. Yeah. Yeah. Eventually, I'll be able to see my laptop again there we go perfect anyway we take the lab in uh 12 days uh but yeah but then it's not it's not my own office right okay it is what i don't think it is it's complicated you're gonna have two places to sit you're gonna be downstairs with gary and the developers because... So who's all... How big is that room?

Starting point is 00:30:28 Like who all is sitting in there? It's five people. Five. Okay. So they're both... So that'll be just Labs developers. Yeah. They're both on probation right now.

Starting point is 00:30:36 But those two people plus one more. Okay. Cool. Yep. For now. For now. Sure. But what I like about that location is it's extremely

Starting point is 00:30:46 central. You guys will be, there's a stairwell right there to the top floor, which is where the LTT writing team is going to move. The LTT writers are going to move to the lab. And then you are just one door away from the lunchroom, which is nice. And then you're one other more different door

Starting point is 00:31:02 away from the bottom office, which is going to be everything that is not LTT writing. And then your one other more different door away from the bottom office, which is going to be everything that is not LTT writing. So writing for every other Mac address and, you know, whatever circuits, sort of circuit or whatever. So that's going into lab two. Because that was up in the air last time.

Starting point is 00:31:16 No, they're going to lab two. Okay. I think. Okay, don't quote me on that. Okay. And then you'll also are actually, you're in like this little aquarium with like windows and you're looking out into the shop floor as it is now that's cool but what will be the lab

Starting point is 00:31:30 oh that's really cool so you're extremely central and then that staircase right at the top of the stairs is a call room that is just yours cool so you actually most of the time because i'm kind of expecting you this is funny we're like actually having a meeting time, because I'm kind of expecting you, this is funny, we're like actually having a meeting right now because of things Luke actually does not know. Most, because you're going to be guiding the development efforts of the lab where Gary's, I'm expecting to have sort of the vision

Starting point is 00:32:00 for how we are collecting and presenting this data. But he has, to my knowledge no experience managing developers whatsoever so we're so far the ones that we have are just like fantastic and need very little management it's good it's been great but we will need your help yeah yeah so you're going to be there to be a resource and then the other 80 of the time or whatever that works out you can be in your office and I expect you to just kind of ping pong between those two locations. Yeah, and as long as there's dual monitors on each end,

Starting point is 00:32:32 I don't really care. Well, there's whatever you want on each end. Yeah. Like that's honestly for how much you cost, a couple of monitors or laptops here and there is sort of a minor concern. I got to keep using this broken in half laptop because he won't sort of a minor concern. I gotta keep using this broken-in-half laptop because he won't give me a new one.

Starting point is 00:32:48 Yeah, so this guy memes being poor. And normally, okay, normally it would be against our HR policies for me to disclose any information about the earnings of an employee, but I feel like he's kind of got it coming at this point. He's not poor. I'm fine. This is a complete f***ing fabrication.

Starting point is 00:33:10 This image. This, I only wear clothes I get for free. I mean, he does. That's true. I'm wearing LTT underwear. I'd be wearing LTT socks if you freaking made them. I've been waiting for years. But he's not poor. I just just i don't see a ton of value

Starting point is 00:33:30 in spending a lot of money and and genuinely i'm i'm bugging him but my laptop is fine i don't have to do anything complicated on it i watch videos and i type things i don't need like a really high performance laptop it's fine how do you think he stays rich they say well not by holding on to cash these days that's for sure gotta love that inflation i love that it has the name inflation but what it actually means is that your buying power is going down yeah oh no yeah oh no it's pretty it's pretty rough as far as I can tell there's no safe haven right now Gold has stayed pegged At a pretty consistent value compared to the USD

Starting point is 00:34:11 Crypto is like Stocks I mean what Government bonds I haven't looked at those recently Property But even then government bonds typically only appreciated A very low rate compared to Dollars No I mean even then government bonds typically only appreciated a very low rate compared to dollars

Starting point is 00:34:25 no I mean even no well okay I don't know about everywhere but here in Vancouver no it's going down right now well it's like poised for a crash finally because we don't have zero interest rates which are stupid like

Starting point is 00:34:42 what where are you where are you supposed to put it I don't get it so someone messaged said best cheap gaming laptop video please i'm super stuck if you listen to what i just said i wouldn't have a lot of good input because i don't use it for gaming yeah the only things i use it for is not gaming so apparently there's a seven to nine percent bond right now okay so if you want to tread water Apparently It's not financial advice we don't know Apparently that's potentially

Starting point is 00:35:09 Maybe an option But I don't know anything about that My investment is To keep dumping money Into LMG And hope that that works Because it sure isn't My house

Starting point is 00:35:24 Oh you gotta try out you gotta try out the thing that we did yesterday um you're you're coming over tonight right yeah okay so yesterday i don't know where to go which i don't know where you're actually like staying at this point oh we're at the new house okay yeah so this is pretty man. It was like kind of an emotional experience for me because yesterday we turned on. Me helping you move out of your house was emotional experience for me. I can't even imagine. Oh, it's a different one. It's a different emotional experience.

Starting point is 00:35:55 It was like, I was sitting there thinking I made it because we set up the home theater, like not finished, finished, but pretty much finished. And it is jaw dropping. I have never seen anything like it better than a movie theater. Oh, movie theater, please.

Starting point is 00:36:21 Oh my. Yeah. I will never set foot in a movie theater again there will be no reason for that i'm actually so excited to watch kingsman i know right we gotta yeah so so we both independently watched the first kingsman on planes without knowing that we both did it and then we're raving about it to each other about how cool it was yeah and to be clear we know they're stupid we know they're stupid movies it doesn't matter get over yourself that's like the point mars attacks is a stupid movie and it's great yeah chill yeah go ahead um then we went and saw

Starting point is 00:36:55 kingsman 2 together and it was fantastic and then kingsman 3 kind of came out and i just like didn't notice me neither there was like there was a global pandemic and there was so much going on at work and like i was moving and yeah it completely whooshed me so we're gonna watch it in the theater and i'm actually really stoked i'm super excited and yes we know the second one was even dumber that's the point it was awesome yeah i really enjoyed it man when uh you don't know what you're going in john pull up the whole thing was just great i don't know i i uh people i i remember seeing like oh it didn't like mature past the first one i'm like awesome that's the point i didn't want it to there's certain kinds of movies

Starting point is 00:37:38 where it's less about what you're watching and it's more about who you're watching it with like i wouldn't even i wouldn't even consider sitting down with yvonne on the couch and being like let's watch kingsman it's not that she can't doesn't have a sense of humor that she can't enjoy that type of humor it's just it's not like her thing the way that you know if you're just like broing out and you're like let's play bro force yeah bro deter the first kingsman oh i don't want to get spoilers just in case people are hearing about it for the first time um but yeah there's like a there's a musical scene at the end of i think it's the first kingsman and there's all the rainbow colors i'm not trying to get into what happens i don't remember okay but the first time that happens it's just it's just a

Starting point is 00:38:25 riot but i can absolutely understand like yeah if my mom was watching it probably not very impressed yeah yeah it's it's kind of gross hilarious to me um oh this is a good question true scott asks over on floatplane did you get the vantablack sorted for the walls in the theater room okay so vantablack we can't get because vantablack sorted for the walls in the theater room? Okay, so Vantablack we can't get because Vantablack is exclusively for scientific use or something or there's like one artist that's licensed to use it. It's a whole stupid thing. You want to go down a stupid rabbit hole and find a stupid rabbit?

Starting point is 00:38:58 By all means, go research the whole Vantablack fiasco. Anyway, Black 3.0 is the competitor to Vantablack that just anyone can get as long as you're willing to pay. And I was thinking we should paint the theater room Vantablack 3.0 because it will absorb

Starting point is 00:39:18 the light that bounces off the white screen around the room and then back onto the white screen wrecking your contrast. It'll light up. The light from the bright parts of the room and then back onto the white screen wrecking your contrast because it'll it'll light up the light from the bright parts of the scene will bounce around and hit what are supposed to be the dark parts of the scene um ruining the perceived contrast but all the comments on the moving vlog were like um actually you just need to put velvet on the walls and i was like oh duh that actually makes way more sense because then you're going to absorb and scatter it and apparently it's a

Starting point is 00:39:52 fraction of the cost so you just need to find some kind of adhesive sound stuff too yeah adhesive or staples are some of the common ways to put it up one of the other common ways is to actually attach it to some kind of board that you then staple up in panels. And you could make that your acoustic panels as well. So there's like whole guides for how to velour or velvet up your home theater. And I'm thinking maybe something along the lines of, you know, the ceiling, maybe the whole thing, and then the sides, maybe, I don't know, four to eight feet would probably do a lot of it. That would probably get us a lot of the way. So I think that's going to be the plan

Starting point is 00:40:34 because if we can do it for a fraction of the cost and have it be removable, well, that's pretty great. Then if there's an acoustic benefit to it as well, then there's no way to lose at that point. That's pretty great. Then if there's an acoustic benefit to it as well, then there's no way to lose at that point. That's awesome. It's almost like the DIY people over on forums like AVS have been doing this for 20 plus years and already know how to do it.

Starting point is 00:40:58 For flocking slash velvet, it's called sizing, not adhesive. Fun fact for the day. Thanks, Ganja gremlin is velvet not a fire hazard I mean not if you spray it with fire retardant I guess I don't know duveteen wouldn't be so we could use duveteen

Starting point is 00:41:15 duveteen is extremely fire resistant so just line it with duve there done nice I actually wonder what the performance of duveteen versus, sorry, what did I just say? Duveteen versus Velvet? Versus Velvet, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:34 Showing results for Duveteen commando cloth or velour. Look at this. There's whole articles. Thanks, Charles. CharlesHStewart.com. Your leading-edge scenic design and backdrop rental company for over 100 years. Okay. Woven masking fabrics made from 100% cotton.

Starting point is 00:41:56 A few subtle differences. Okay. Oh, commando cloth is apparently better. There's no pinholes of light. Okay. But then if you have a little bit of light shine through the duvetyne That's probably not going to make it Back through

Starting point is 00:42:10 So probably fine Yeah because you're not hanging it in the middle of the room You're putting it up against the wall Whoa commando cloth is more like jeans It's double the weight With a 100 yard roll Coming in at 100 pounds compared to just 55. You should just put up jeans on the wall.

Starting point is 00:42:28 Brilliant. Velour. Knit-knapped fabric that's memorable for its lush feel. Very nice. Velour and velvet. I don't know if I want to spend time in the dark. This whole article is just to tell you what they are and not to tell me which one to... Gosh darn it, Charles H. Stewart.

Starting point is 00:42:47 I'm not impressed. Not impressed, not one bit. Oh, man. So we'll figure out exactly what material, but Duvetyn would probably be safer. There's a note in the doc for a Hammer Time update. I don't know how many people are going to even know this story at this point. Stop!

Starting point is 00:43:09 Hammer Time. But the whole coal bar hammer situation, it has now officially been over a year because the last update was in April 2021 and it's now May 2022. And there has been no update. there's a there's a button from Kickstarter now to have anonymously I don't care if it was anonymous or not but anonymously request an update I don't think that was there in the past and I clicked it

Starting point is 00:43:37 do I think that's going to do anything no um but hey really, really hope that this ends with me receiving something. Not even because I even want it anymore. An NFT of a cool bar hammer. Sure. I just, I want the story to conclude. And as long as there's no, like, if it just goes off with no update and no item received then i'm just left hanging like what happened yeah and if you get an nft then you can still be like what happened but you can have this sick bored monkey hammer

Starting point is 00:44:14 even it's just a picture of a bored ape holding this like weird hammer dude whatever at least i get something a t-shirt with a picture of the hammer. Yeah. Like I just, I want the story to end. That's where I'm at right now. I just want there to be some form of ending so that I can have closure. Um,

Starting point is 00:44:35 that's about it. You want to talk about Microsoft patenting a system, but play discs on consoles with no disc drive. Uh, I'd rather talk about how we should both feel really old. This is a super chat. Guys, don't send super chats. We don't read them. You want

Starting point is 00:44:52 to send merch messages. Go buy something on LTTstore.com and send a merch message. They'll pop up down here or our producer Jake Belevance might read them to us and they are the way to send a message because they cost the same but you actually get

Starting point is 00:45:08 something in the mail when you're done haha it's amazing but this is one that's worth reading Matthew says have been watching your show since freshman in high school now going for my PhD it's been a little while ouch it's been a little while. Ouch.

Starting point is 00:45:26 It's been a little while. I got a bunch of tweets from someone talking about our first WAN show and some of the comments and predictions we made on it. Oh. It's actually kind of interesting. I talked about Apple abandoning Intel for ARM. Really? Yeah. You and I both said that Disney buying Star Wars was a good thing.

Starting point is 00:45:48 There was some good ones. There was some bad ones. But it was interesting seeing what we were talking about back then. It was kind of cool. I rewatched the first third of Rogue One. And it was fine. Yeah. Rogue One is the best one that they've released though

Starting point is 00:46:06 could have like it could have actually been okay yeah and then it wasn't yeah pretty much all righty then we should also talk about our sponsors your your reason for thinking that it was okay you you grabbed a scholastic book of Phantom of the Menace, and you were like, it can't be better than this. Or it can't be worse than this. Oh, the Phantom of the Menace. Oh, okay. Yeah.

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Starting point is 00:47:10 What are we talking next? Should we talk ElonGate continues? I'm going to let you do it this time. I don't want to. I don't want any. This is a zero hot take. It's so not interesting to me, which might not help. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:47:23 Anthony. Okay. Can I readony's editorializing this is not mine do you really want to yep anthony says don't call it elon gate don't let him control the narrative that way it's amusing but don't call it something lame like a musky meltdown because that's all he deserves it's pretty funny man we should make anthony's new job to write put downs just be sassy like yeah i love it sassy anthony is a pretty amazing anthony all right yeah i don't want to add like you know more gas to the flames but that was funny when i read it um i don't know this is so not

Starting point is 00:47:59 interesting to me basically he's trying to potentially get out of it or get a discount because there's way more bots than they claimed allegedly they're like yes allegedly but allegedly he's trying to get out of it i don't think he's actually confirmed that he's trying to just have peak buyer's remorse i think worm out i think what he's saying and might be doing i don't know i don't know the guy um i think what he's saying is that he just it should be cheaper because like what he's buying is not what it actually is because he's the one who made the offer and if he didn't know the offer if he didn't know that it's all bots then he's a idiot so i said i wasn't gonna have any hot tapes today. And it's over!

Starting point is 00:48:46 Anyone who doesn't know It's happening! Anyone who doesn't know Twitter is full of bots like what? Has he ever opened one of his own tweets? Because from my experience on the platform the most like bodded responses ever go on his tweets because it's all pictures of him

Starting point is 00:49:02 saying he's going to give people free crypto which must work or else they would stop doing it but it's like under every tweet it's like by the way guys giving away free crypto click link thank you from like an account that has this picture and that's it it's clearly not him anyways um yeah so i don't know that's like literally the whole story but it's like super long um we can get into it more if you want um it's there's a one billion dollar reverse termination fee but they might be able to force him to not do that because he would have to prove that it's more than five percent bots and how can he do that without having access to their server? Yeah, so they can make him close the deal

Starting point is 00:49:47 if they get a court order. If they can't, he definitely has to pay a billion dollars to walk away. But I think a big part of the problem and why they might want to force him to do it is because this whole fiasco has tanked Twitter's stock even more than the rest of tech over the last six months because tech has just been absolutely annihilated. Which like probably good because it was insanely overvalued um but you

Starting point is 00:50:10 know like they want that price now obviously because it's a pretty freaking good deal for them apparently they popped champagne in this meeting that's not in these notes but i've from from someone who works at twitter they were talking about how they popped champagne in this meeting because they're like, we got them. Really? I guess. I don't know. I don't know all the details because I never cared. I didn't know this was going to be in the doc.

Starting point is 00:50:32 This is so uninteresting to me. This is hilarious. Excessively rich person might be getting screwed over by company that was excessively overvalued. Like, whatever, dude. I don't know. But it could be. ever dude i don't know but it could be it's at the point now we're paying the billion dollar penalty to walk away and then coming in and offering again would literally be worth it could be completely worth it yeah um if they don't force the buyout they could sue musk for

Starting point is 00:50:57 damages capped at 1 billion or try to reach a settlement for a greater amount uh musk seems like he's gearing up for a fight though tweeting on friday that he is this is great building a hardcore litigation department where we directly initiate and execute lawsuits nice nice that's hardcore that sounds really. That's hardcore, man. That sounds really cool. That's hardcore. And with it. Let's go. It's hardcore. To try to balance out the Elon news a little bit. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:33 It sounds like, oh, I lost the original link for this. Hold on. Tesla released all service manuals and wiring diagrams for free really um yeah they used to be really expensive you can access them but they were like very oppressively expensive it was 32 an hour or 106 a day or 372 a month or 3188 a8 a year. So documents as a service? Pretty much. That's horrible. And then they just changed the yearly price to $0.

Starting point is 00:52:11 Well, that's great. Yeah. What, you're not going to applaud with me? You're going to leave me completely hanging? Fine. In that case, why didn't we need to look at you? Yeah, I'm still here, by the way. What's up?

Starting point is 00:52:24 Zoom it. Zoom it. Get him out of here. I think he'd have to like physically do it no he can do it can he i believe in him oh you could software you could just crop it just get closer to the screen and it'll be like it's only minus yeah true yeah you could sit in front of the desk that would work i have to do your wait I have to do your sound effects right there's no mic there's no mic up there um but yeah that's cool I guess I don't know people like what do you mean you guess that's amazing uh yeah a lot of the articles talking about it are like we learned all these new things and i'm like well no because people had access to it it was just paid so it's it is very cool that it is free

Starting point is 00:53:11 because uh wow for like a shop or something 3200 bucks a year might not be that bad i mean it was more than that a year 32 bucks was per day no 3200 oh because it was 3188 so i rounded up slightly 3200 bucks a year i mean it sucks but it's not gonna like crush your shop or anything um unless you aren't servicing teslas constantly yeah yeah it might actually suck a lot i i think the the best this is for though is like people who might be able to do some of these repair jobs at home because like 32 an hour yikes i don't know that sucks knowing me i would um pay for the hour and then permanently have all the documentation yeah there's probably a way to do that but uh but just providing it just sucks it should be free and i'm really stoked that it is free and that's cool. I'd like to know what the other car manufacturers do.

Starting point is 00:54:07 I think you have to buy those huge service manuals. I think my knowledge on that is very old. Yeah, if anyone in the chat knows more, that would be great. Let us know. In the meantime, let's talk about... Oh, we should do some merch messages. Anything else. Oh, nice. Let's do some merch messages.

Starting point is 00:54:24 Awesome. Bell, hit us. Anything else. Oh, nice. Let's do some merch messages. Awesome. Bell, hit us. From Gabriel. I've been watching for a while and just built my first PC. What's a decent priced keyboard with swappable switches and gamer RGB that'll make me faster? You know what? I'm going to leave that to the chat

Starting point is 00:54:39 because frankly, swappable switches. Pretty much any mechanical keyboard has swappable switches if you try hard enough. if you try hard enough. If you try hard enough, yeah. If you want like quick swappable switches, you're mostly looking at the case that's involved. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I haven't done a lot of keyboard shopping since swappable switches became a big feature that anyone cares about so i'll i'll let the chat i'll let the chat kind of chat with you about that that's also pretty

Starting point is 00:55:10 true for me there's kind of like a wave two of keyboard nerds i just really just don't think i care about swappable switches it's not the kind of thing that i would um do yeah honestly i might repair like i might care about being able to repair it, but I have the soldering skills to just solder in a new switch so I don't need a socket for it. So I just don't care. Whatever you do, do not buy drop.com.

Starting point is 00:55:37 Why? Yeah, why? I don't personally like it when statements like that are made with nothing qualifying behind it. I mean, they definitely have good stuff. Like the drop pandas are freaking amazing. So I don't know.

Starting point is 00:55:54 Oh, my Honda S2000 official manual cost around $200, says biz someone in floatplane chat. All right. That's good to know. Is that a permanent? Oh, I had to pay Vw for a service manual for my jet it was 50 bucks okay all right so it sounds like tesla was kind of out to lunch on their pricing i was able to buy the dead tree versions i like that of complete maintenance and technical manuals for my tahoe for 350 bucks that's in line with what my understanding was for a long time. Got it.

Starting point is 00:56:26 Got it. But they're usually like genuinely like really big. Right. Okay. From Colin question for either of you. This came up after he'd mentioned how everyone here is world-class. Do you keep in touch with any of the formal former LMG employees? Some of them.

Starting point is 00:56:43 Yeah. I mean, like you mentioned max mac specifically we did a photo shoot with her um it was a oh man it was a couple years ago now it was like pre-covid but we actually hired her as a freelance photographer afterward um i'm still in touch with ivan as you guys know because we did the uh the charity auction with his gpu collection quite recently he was looking to reach a bigger audience with it so we uh we agreed to collaborate on that i was in contact with burkle for quite a while and we don't exactly talk that often anymore but for no negative reason and i still like follow his shenanigans on the instagrams yeah i don't know i mean it's it's

Starting point is 00:57:21 gonna depend right like whenever i open that app once a half year. It's one of those things where it's like, you know, how many people from high school are you still in touch with? Yeah. We're at the point now where there's been... It's been that long. In total, like 75 people who have come and gone through here and maybe they're not gone yet, but who are at some point going to be gone. Nobody works at the same place forever, right? And so am I going to stay BFFs with every single one of them?

Starting point is 00:57:49 No. You know, I'd like to, you know, when I had Terran's exit meeting, I made it very clear that my intention was to engage in a collaborative manner, you know, post-LMG. You know, I'd like to think that luke and i would stay friends forever even if we weren't working to do you need more laptops i took them all away it'll remove the weapons um yeah yeah yeah i don't know like it's uh it's tough uh ecu 55 asks is john still here yeah

Starting point is 00:58:29 absolutely he he moved back home so he's working remotely now but yeah he's still here we actually have extremely low turnover given that we're approaching our 10th birthday now like i think we've i can count on both hands the people who we hired at some point and who are not still here, not including people who didn't make it through the three month probationary period. There's a, in Canada, or at least in BC, there's a three month trial period where either party with no strings attached whatsoever can just say, you know what, this isn't, this isn't working. Uh, which is really good because there's definitely been some square peg round hole situations. That just aren't anybody's fault.

Starting point is 00:59:11 Where it just, yeah. Yeah, I'm glad this isn't complicated. Bye-bye. It happens. It happens. No one's ever quit float playing. I'm actually very proud of that. And will be very happy when that ends.

Starting point is 00:59:24 But I hope when, not if, but when it does end. That it's on good terms. plane i'm actually very proud of that and we'll be very happy when that ends but i hope uh when not if but when it does end that it's on good terms yeah i mean that's that's a big thing is like i don't i don't want any bad blood in my life it's not worth it nobody needs that drama from jason after so many years do you guys ever still feel anxiety in front of the camera or in crowds? Crowds? Yeah. I mean, I've worked hard to be a more outgoing person. Like outgoing. Oh, sorry.

Starting point is 01:00:04 Piper G, I just accidentally curated your thing, which means it won't show up down here. But you didn't really ask a question. So welcome to the show it's uncurated now thanks bell um sorry sorry this is what happens when I get involved in comment moderation what was the question uh do we do we still get anxiety in front of the camera oh yeah crowds aren't easy for me I don't actually like it I enjoy aspects of it but it when I when I spend a bunch of time in a group of people, when we get home or when we get to the next rest point, my wife doesn't even talk to me. Not because she doesn't want to or because she hates me or because I would lash out at her or anything crazy,

Starting point is 01:00:40 but just because she knows I'm going to need some decompression time because I just don't i don't it doesn't come naturally to me it's one of those things where i i was a just a geeky guy first and then just learned slowly how to do this like i know it's it's kind of funny i was kind of a class clown like a bit of an attention seeker in school but i was never good at it i never got any kind of good attention that's new i was gonna say i can't imagine you not being attention seeking class clown but then i do find it really funny just you being really bad at it yeah that's pretty entertaining yeah like i haven't experienced you in that state but it's just funny to like think about yeah and like people didn't like me. I wasn't charismatic.

Starting point is 01:01:26 Right. I like the crowds. But I get the same thing where afterwards I'm super drained, like super emotionally drained. But I think just because of growing up going to PAX every single year and having the PAX crowd kind of grow around with me because like the first time I went to PAX there's like 5,000 people or something right and these days it's like 80 plus um I like the crowds when it's generally like-minded people

Starting point is 01:01:57 so at events like PAX at events like LTX stuff like It feels, yeah, I feel at home there for some reason. IEM Dallas, I like the crowds at IEM. Yeah, but it is definitely still draining. Camera, I don't think so. Camera can be tough, especially when combined with a crowd. I'd say that's the situation where I still feel it most. When I was on stage is it anxiety do you feel anxiety though or is it just a lot of mental energy trying to make sure that you're

Starting point is 01:02:30 you're on the ball there's definitely some nerves like when i when i had to go out and do a panel being broadcast live while also having a live audience in front of me the man the live audience is so much fun but it's also so much more nerve-wracking because if you think something's gonna land and it's like you don't want to you don't have that like silence what was it jeb bush or whatever where he's like please clap you don't have that moment speaking of bush moments you see the uh you see the little verbal blunder? Oh, yeah. I don't think we should get into that, but yeah. Sorry, one second.

Starting point is 01:03:14 Hello, Freud? Freud, is that you? Why are you calling? How'd you get this number? Sorry, sorry. Are you alive? Hello? Hello? Hello from beyond the gray? Saddam? Sorry, sorry. Are you alive? Hello? Hello from

Starting point is 01:03:26 beyond the gray? Saddam? Oh, man. Oh, boy. Anyways, next question. From Sydney. Hi, Linus. I'd like to challenge your views on game items. How is it different from a movie? You pay some money to look

Starting point is 01:03:41 at something and feel emotions, pride, confidence, joy, etc. And you get to keep it for longer than two hours. How are game items different than a movie. You pay some money to look at something and feel emotions, pride, confidence, joy, etc. And you get to keep it for longer than two hours. How are game items different than a movie? Luke, can I just remind you that this is a paying customer you're laughing at right now? I'm sorry. You're being kind of f***ed.

Starting point is 01:04:11 I just, that's just so uh man uh gee I mean uh well you see a movie is an entire experience worth of content that you have not seen before and you're there to experience the the story and the characters and the cinematics and all this type of stuff and a skin in a game is a slightly different version of the same gun that you've been using the whole time they're not the same thing i'd say that a skin in a game is more comparable to like collecting things. Yeah. At least if they're physical things, I guess they, I mean, honestly, that's not really one that I particularly get either.

Starting point is 01:04:53 Like just physically collect, like I never collected. I think the last time I collected objects was when I was a child. No. Okay. What did I collect? You used to collect like you had that unobtainium bin okay that's still a collection is that a collection those are mementos

Starting point is 01:05:13 like that's not that's not just collecting retro games or collecting movie posters like i'm like i could see i don't consider i don't consider the ticket stubs for every movie you saw together as a couple. I don't consider that a collection. That's mementos. I'm talking like collecting collectibles, like buying Super Nintendo games that you never played and are probably never going to play just for the sake of having a collection.

Starting point is 01:05:43 That's something that I've never really understood, but I could see how something like in-game skins could tickle that same how does how is that bone how is that the same as a movie well no it's nothing like a movie i'm not defending that okay i'm just saying i'm just saying that i can understand how people could be into that um but in a way where i don't understand how people are into that i i understand how people could be into that, but in a way where I don't understand how people are into that. I understand that people are into collectibles and I think that's fine. I think a lot of the ways that games do

Starting point is 01:06:15 that type of stuff is very predatory. I think there are also examples where it's completely fine. I have always defended League of Legends version of free to play.-to-play. The game is free. Yes. You can buy skins.

Starting point is 01:06:30 Yes. Cool. They have to support their development somehow. Yes. You can, I'm pretty sure you can't unlock skins through regular play. I'm completely fine with that. Yeah, who cares?

Starting point is 01:06:39 It's just a visual thing. Then just don't have skins. You can play and buy no skins, and that means you can play for free, and you can play ranked ranked and you can do all that type of stuff it makes sense to me i don't like games uh like let's let's think of like some of the worst examples we have like a subscription model game yeah that also has a cash shop that includes loot boxes okay that you have to buy expansions for it's just like oh my goodness so here's the problem to me buying a skin is akin to buying like like for me an in-game item should be earned if i didn't earn it it has

Starting point is 01:07:15 no value to me so it's kind of like buying someone else's bowling trophy like i didn't bowl a perfect 300 game so why do i have this trophy so Someone said, LOL, so World of Warcraft. There's a lot more games than WoW that fit that description. Sorry, keep going. So yeah, I guess I'm just trying to differentiate. I'm not saying nothing digital has any value whatsoever. Oh, for sure. And to talk about the example that you just gave,

Starting point is 01:07:42 the skin should show that you accomplished something or whatever yeah i strongly agree with that i under i also understand that that doesn't work in models like the league of legends model and league of legends actually has that to a certain degree if you like if you win certain events i don't remember how it works i haven't played in a long time but if you win certain events you can get like a specific skin or even just for like hours played sure or like for for not for not bailing out of a match a hundred times in a row. Like rewarding non-toxic behavior. How about that? There's an innovative idea for you.

Starting point is 01:08:13 That's the reason why I don't like it when they compound models. Because that was something that I had a huge problem with Destiny. Destiny is a game that you buy. And it has expansions. I don't remember if you have to buy the expansions. I't know whatever and then there's this cash shop and some of the coolest stuff some of the coolest skins in the game which i do care about but i care about it when i accomplish something that gives me that i don't care about it whatsoever if i buy it from the store i have zero value in it from there but there's content that could have been in the game

Starting point is 01:08:43 that would have been unlocking these things yeah that you know is now not in the game and there's constantly developer testimonials of like yeah we developed this thing that looks really cool and it was for this new raid tier and the original idea was like if you beat it in like under this amount of time or you like take this low amount of damage or you whatever whatever whatever achievements you get this thing and then the business team was like cash shot and we had to take out these challenges which is content yes and like i i personally really really like kind of almost odd uh unintentionally challenging ways of playing games like something i used to love to do is like oh it's a shooter game but it has like a crossbow i'll restrict myself to only using the crossbow for fun or i'll try to play a game like non-lethal

Starting point is 01:09:30 or whatever and then there's weird like achievements or or whatever you can get for doing those types of things and i always thought that was really cool and games have less of that stuff now because they're trying to sell the same stuff that you would have got if you just did those things sucks walker of sky oh i get it it says i bet linus's take is something along the lines of if you get a physical item you get to keep um oh i don't know what you're replying to so maybe this is not relevant but i also think one difference with the movie is that you are theoretically assuming that you buy it on a platform where it can't be taken from you like a blu-ray like a physical disc you have it forever when that game inevitably shuts down and the

Starting point is 01:10:11 developers like yeah forget it uh or just allows it to go to seed like valve has done with team fortress 2 in the current bot situation you it loses all of its value and you'll you'll never get any use out of it again. You can't, you can't like hand it down to anyone assuming that they even wanted it. Like to be clear, I also don't want to, I also don't want to promote just like acquiring stuff for the sake of having stuff.

Starting point is 01:10:36 I'm not saying that because it's physical stuff, it's better. No, that's, that's not necessarily true at all. If anything, I'm trying to encourage my family to do far more reading on the Kindle and on a tablet or a phone

Starting point is 01:10:48 and far less acquisition of physical books. Not that I don't personally appreciate the sound of the paper and the smell of a real book. I really do. But boy, do they ever take up a lot of space. It's literally just packing your house with fire starters at a certain point. So it's literally just packing your house with fire starters at a certain point so it's like okay um this is just a really good comment on twitch chat which is unusual so i'm

Starting point is 01:11:11 gonna read that uh snow for all says the problem with end game or late game items in single player games is you barely even use them then it's over that is so that drives me so crazy uh bravely default too that was one of the things that bothered me so much, is I spent the whole game getting to, like, this, like, S-tier party, and then I was like, wait, that was the boss fight? Because, spoiler alert, that particular game, like, changes, the plot twist, the bad guy wasn't the bad guy, bet you never saw that one coming.

Starting point is 01:11:46 So, how do I know yeah how do I know if they're gonna rug pull me again or not, I don't know so I fought the boss and I was like oh I guess the game's over now and I, like there were literally items I didn't even equip

Starting point is 01:12:02 cause I was like oh I might not might get a chance to use these later. I somewhat agree with that. I somewhat don't. Some games do have replayability. Some games super don't. And that's fine. I'm not necessarily saying that one is better than the other. There's some games that don't have replayability that I think are fantastic.

Starting point is 01:12:18 And there's some games that do. But for an example, say Pokemon embraced Nuzlocke. Do you know what a Nuzlocke is? No. So Pokemon games are easy. That's fine. Speak for yourself.

Starting point is 01:12:30 I found them extremely difficult when I was a child. Well, okay. Because the whole idea of a Pokemon game is you're learning counters, right? And as you play longer, you learn more counters. So they make the game harder, but ultimately you're gonna figure out that water beats fire and whatever you're fine and you keep going yeah and that if you choose

Starting point is 01:12:49 anything other than bulbasaur at the start then you're a moron maybe this is why you found the game hard char's are no chart or charmander is just like it's like it's such a hack why would you even no it's just it's stupid and squirtle gross i am deeply offended i know well okay the idea of a nuzlocke and i might screw this up a little bit um but the idea of a nuzlocke is you catch the first pokemon that you find in like a region or whatever it's so fun to bother him about stuff like you could tell actually upset actually upset yes i was a bulbasaur kid but it also just doesn't matter that's true um but yeah you you i think you can catch the first pokemon you encounter in a region and then you can't catch another one in that region oh really so it really limits to catch it and i believe if one of your pokemon faints you have

Starting point is 01:13:42 to just like get rid of it i don don't remember if that's a thing. But it's like hard mode. Yeah. And I could look it up and maybe I said those things wrong and I'm sorry, but there's more rules to it too and everything. But it's a way like harder version of playing the game. If Pokemon like just embraced Nuzlocke as like a built in difficult version of playing the game. And then if you beat a Nuzlocke, you got some like form of accolade, whether it was like

Starting point is 01:14:04 a visual thing or whatever. like that would be so cool that would be a huge value add but i'm sure games like that to take it away from nintendo and away from pokemon for a second games like that would rather just sell you the cosmetic that they could make for making that type of system which would be a way more interesting, way more engaging and better way of being able to play the game if you wanted to play it on that level. Because not everyone's going to want to, like not everyone goes and goes for the hardest difficulty in certain games. There are certain game types that I like to play

Starting point is 01:14:36 that I don't want to play it at super high difficulty. There's other games where I do. It depends. Right. And you shouldn't have to. But if you do it, it would be cool if you got something for it. Why not? And I feel like a lot of those types of things are being removed from games it's kind of the same thing we're like um when us boomer boys were growing up a lot of games had cheat codes that would make the game more fun and now it's like nope buy the dlc or whatever else yeah it's like oh yeah come on speaking of oh man come on microsoft patents a

Starting point is 01:15:09 system to play discs on consoles with no disc drive luke you want to do this one it's so funny okay yeah i read that title and my immediate knee jerk was like what that doesn't work it's got to just be an external optical drive how else is this going to happen and then i start reading through it and i'm like okay okay there's actually some cool things in here and i'll get to those in a moment and i finally get to the the bullet point that's like the proposed system involves using an external disk drive to verify the xbox game it's like yeah of course okay, so let's actually go properly through it because it is somewhat interesting. Over the past decade, we've seen physical media become less and less prevalent

Starting point is 01:15:52 as more consumers have switched to digital purchases or streaming services. That is true. I have some problems with that. Whatever, let's move on. To the point that both Microsoft and Sony sell a version of their current consoles with no disk drive, also known as, in this specific case, the Xbox Series S. If you decided to pick up an Xbox Series S,

Starting point is 01:16:11 you'll find you have no way to play your Xbox One back catalog if you have them on physical versions. But in a recently discovered patent from 2020, it's not even new, But in a recently discovered patent from 2020, it's not even new, Microsoft proposes a system allowing players to receive digital versions of the games that they bought on disc. So that's what's going on.

Starting point is 01:16:32 You're like verifying that you have it, I guess. It's unknown. I don't know if this goes into the notes, but it's unknown if the physical version will keep working fully independently. Right. Because if it did, you could sell that. Would it transfer the license to the digital version?

Starting point is 01:16:56 Can you transfer it back? And then how does it stop the physical version from working? Are you sure it's 2022? Because it sounds like 1984 it's weird it's just like the amount like do we own anything anymore i'm not i'm not actually sure i mean that's that's my continued argument for buying stuff like switch games physically and i know like a lot of people don't want to do it and that's fine do whatever you want well if there's anyone who's gonna fuck you on it it's gonna be nintendo yeah honestly though like seriously that's part of my argument they're really bad with like anything online the fact that there's

Starting point is 01:17:30 still no way i actually you know what i don't even care because at the end of the day like i was already really up front with them about it um nintendo reached out about a sponsorship engagement with us and my response to them was, I think, a classic Linus moment where basically I said, look, I'm just going to read it to you because whatever, it's my email. I can read it if I want. I should start by saying I'm a lifelong Nintendo user. Breath of the Wild is probably my all-time favorite game

Starting point is 01:18:01 and my Switch OLED is currently the only modern console in my house. I'm not a fan of anything. I do love the product and Nintendo's unique approach to gaming that has made their content fresh and innovative for my whole life. The Wii is the only consumer electronics device I've ever camped overnight to buy on release day. These are all things that are true. However, this is bolded, underlined, and italicized.

Starting point is 01:18:23 However. Yeah, it is. When it comes to engaging as a business, I have some serious problems with some of Nintendo's anti-consumer policies and practices. Depending on the messaging, I could still be open to working together, but you guys should understand that it won't change how I feel about some of Nintendo's past and present behavior,

Starting point is 01:18:39 and that it won't change how I talk about it to our audience. One easy example is how blatantly Nintendo bullies customers into paying for Nintendo Online to back up save files when it could just as easily be done to an SD card, requiring no cloud sync and no monthly fee. The ideal outcome of these conversations I have with you is that it reaches the ears of Nintendo's executives who see the light and realize that part of meeting the competition, I'm assuming this is about getting out ahead of wide availability of the Steam Deck, head-on is shifting to a more consumer-centric approach. Marketing may not be enough. The more likely outcome is none of this changes and you guys may be stuck in an awkward position where

Starting point is 01:19:14 one minute I'm partnered with Nintendo sharing co-developed messaging and the next minute you're explaining to some executive that I'm expressing frustration bordering on anger that Super Mario Party for Switch never got patched to make the board game mode playable. No, I don't consider it playable if you can't skip the tutorial crap. CC and Colton from my business team just want to make sure you've got full transparency about how we work here. Our audience values

Starting point is 01:19:38 our authenticity, which is why you're knocking on our door. You've just got to know up front whoop, my phone went to sleep that we won't compromise that authenticity for any brand or any deal um i forget how we started this conversation oh we were talking about how i'm an advocate for buying physical switch games right and i was saying they don't even allow you to back up your save files the fact that this is a portable device that you must pay an online fee to retain save data for like should be illegal in my opinion it's crazy it's insane that as consumers we accept this yep so and you can resell your physical games we'll see we'll see if they

Starting point is 01:20:20 decide to engage with us i think it might show a a step towards a greater degree of maturity um but what i like i said in the email what i suspect is that they will see this bulk and go work with someone else oh i don't know if they've responded i think how long ago did you send that i don't remember i just i shifted it over to colton and then i haven't thought about it since got it um it's not it's not my problem right it's just it's one of those things where i understand the kind of traditional company that nintendo is and there's a there's a there's there's types of companies right like you you get a feel for these things after a certain amount of time you know how they work and there's types of companies where they actually don't understand that a sponsorship one

Starting point is 01:21:02 time doesn't mean that they like own you yeah you know like yeah that you it doesn't mean that you're just gonna you know fillet them about everything like it's it doesn't not the best time to go for a drink of water yeah it doesn't work that yeah the memes the memes i couldn't help noticing that's eggplant colored. And I just, I get the vibe that there's a certain company culture at Nintendo where there's certain aspects, there's certain parts of the company. And you got to understand every company is made up of many people, dozens, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of people. Varying opinions, varying stancesances they're all individuals right but there's a certain kind of

Starting point is 01:21:49 like you can you can smell an nvidia employee from a mile away they just are they have a they have a type right and a lot of that comes from the top down and i'd i mean i'd like to think we have a company culture here i'd like to think it's a pretty positive one. But, you know, certain companies, you get the vibe that if they sponsor you, they're going to have this sort of misunderstanding, and it's going to create a bunch of drama and a bunch of strife and a bunch of problems in my life that I just don't feel like having. And if they're not down for the way that we work, then I just want to make sure it's real clear up front that, you know, you're not going to like it then.

Starting point is 01:22:28 So you might as well just take your money elsewhere. Go work with somebody else. All right, what are we talking about? Either more... Is there anything else to like... YouTube is highlighting the most replayed parts of videos. I can't say I care too much about this one, but you chose it as a main topic. So I mean, how many topics were in the doc this week?

Starting point is 01:22:50 Six. We got to call out four. Okay, that's true. That is sort of the routine. I usually get stuck with the last two. That's true. That's one of the alpha moves that I pull just to with this guy it's great it's he leaves me with nothing and then one of the topics that i pick out out of nothing he's

Starting point is 01:23:11 like why did you pick that one i'm like what else is there bro come on anyways um i thought there was maybe some interesting takes i i can i have concerns about how this will affect watch time. I think this could hurt watch time for sure. I kind of would bet that it will hurt watch time. And I just find it very funny that they are just continuing to steal features from

Starting point is 01:23:38 porn sites. Those are the two things that I wanted to bring up. Okay, well I guess that's pretty good then. We could also talk about the RTX 40 rumor mill spills. Rumors have emerged this week that NVIDIA's upcoming Ada Lovelace architecture may be coming earlier than expected. Maybe early Q3. That could be as early as mid-July.

Starting point is 01:24:01 Anthony's note says, pronounced cop-ite 7 Kimi oh that's the user who tweeted we could see it in Q3 leaked specs are that the AD102300 could have 16,000 FP32 CUDA cores 24GB of GDDR6

Starting point is 01:24:20 memory, 450W TDP and double the RTX 3090's performance. That is pretty incredible. It looks like it is going to be a pretty substantial update based on the latest rumors when it had been rumored that it was going to be more of a refresh. And at the rate that RTX 40 is apparently being pulled in and the rate that ARK is being pushed out we could see add a lovelace before we see ARK especially in the West crazy change of plans may or may not have been accelerated by some combination of the crypto crash our DNA 3 and ARK or the original rumors were just flat-out wrong

Starting point is 01:24:56 which is also a possibility there was one more thing oh yeah AMD says their Radeon cards are better bang for the buck. They're mostly right. Oh, I should disclose that we have worked with AMD in a sponsored capacity around Radeon recently. That video hasn't come out yet, but it's about sort of getting the most

Starting point is 01:25:17 out of your Radeon card. So that's there. Just wanted to make sure that's clear, but this is just editorial coverage of AMD's marketing head, Frank Azor, posting an interesting chart on Tuesday comparing the performance, power usage, and price of AMD's GPU lineup

Starting point is 01:25:32 compared to the competition. As a longtime gamer, I'm grateful for the renewed blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it actually, like, looks kind of not stupid. Yeah. I mean, 3090 i love that they didn't even include 3090 ti because it's just like sort of irrelevant and now they're not saying they have the performance crown

Starting point is 01:25:57 the 3090 is a higher performing card than the 6950 xt but like at $600 more. Wait, are they saying better FPS? Really? What games are you guys testing? Actually, okay. I actually didn't watch our 6950 XT review. I was on vacation. So apparently it's more faster than the 6900 XT than I thought.

Starting point is 01:26:23 So I was not expecting that result. Okay, cool. So that's neat. You guys can learn more about that. Hot Hardware took it upon themselves to verify the claims. And as it turns out, it's pretty much true. AMD did not disclose their testing suite, but Hot Hardware found through their testing

Starting point is 01:26:37 that in their testing suite, so long as the games weren't too ray tracing heavy, AMD tended to win in both price to performance and price per watt it should be noted that amd may not be winning if you go by msrp alone because nvidia cards are still suffering from inflated prices due to demand although that may change now that amd is like hey by the way um us we're here i really wish they had a better encoder i am i'm excited to see what they come out with with rdna3 because as a content creator it's a big deal for me i can't just have a crap tier gpu video encoder

Starting point is 01:27:12 and i mean it's it's going to impact things because like with how much streaming is going on these days um that that's important yes and no like it's still a minority but it's still a feature people care about just in case and genuinely a lot of streamers are putting their specs below their streams and if people are like oh i should buy a computer whatever i mean apparently you can form a whole ass pc building company based around sponsoring streamers what were they called again i literally the one that went. The one that went under? I don't know. Artisan. Artisan.

Starting point is 01:27:46 Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'd never even heard of them. They had, what, like 40 employees or something like that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, like, they're moving PCs, and they're moving PCs based off what they have.

Starting point is 01:27:55 So, it matters. All right. We got a couple more merch messages to go through here, guys. From Jonathan. How do you keep your beards looking so awesome? I don't think mine looks awesome. I think his looks better than looks better than well yvonne takes care of herself really well i don't really have to do anything it's a joke it's i don't even get it you don't know what it is i think that makes sense i don't but i think i just kind of put it together um okay i don't really do

Starting point is 01:28:23 anything either i just have to condition it because otherwise Yvonne gets mad at me because it's too scratchy It's too pokey I shave it So I go to Number four I think So I just go like this And then I take my

Starting point is 01:28:39 Electric shaver You know the three circles thing That I use to clean clean up up here. And then it has like a flip out blade thing. And I just go like that along the bottom of the lip. And then I also use it to kind of clean up the bottom at the neckline and then that's it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:57 Yeah. Mine's just taking its sweet time becoming thicker. It's been thin for a long time. It is getting thicker over time. Mine was super thin until I reached like past 30. Yeah. So, and then I always thought I couldn't grow a beard and then I was like lazy about it at the beginning

Starting point is 01:29:13 of the lockdowns. And I was like, oh, I can grow facial hair now. And like looking at what my dad is capable of doing when he lets his grow out, I'll be fine. It's just not quite there yet. It's going to get there. It's going to take some time. Yeah. It's going to take some time. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:29:26 It's going to take some time. This question is from Christopher Robin. I don't know if this was an accidental Linus curation, but they asked, well, here's a donation to help you guys out, saving up gift cards for the backpack and screwdriver. Awesome. They missed the long sleeve Constellation shirt because of shipping shipping costs any way i could pay extra to get shipped with the backpack no because we're producing them now and that's all we're producing so we just don't really

Starting point is 01:29:57 like we can't we can't spin up the silk screen shop to do like one shirt it's just not really feasible um sorry from joe do you have a moment to talk about our dark lord and savior cthulhu uh cthulhu's not a sponsor yet so if you could figure that out then yeah um i mean usually when people ask you that question They then proceed to talk to you about it So I'm waiting I'm assuming I'm going to hear like a deep Raspy voice in my head I'll pull up Joe on Discord From Oliver

Starting point is 01:30:37 What games do you play with your children? Linus Oh Man there's a really fun one Called Take Takelings House Party that my kids love to play. It's a VR game where there's, you're a homeowner in VR and you have to like get the Takelings who are trying to steal your stuff or like sabotage your kitchen or whatever. Uh, and all the Takelings play with controllers on the couch around. So it's a really fun party game. It's actually really cool. Um, what else?. What else? They really like playing Minecraft Dungeons.

Starting point is 01:31:05 It's just like a super basic dungeon crawler. It's Diablo, but like Minecraft themed. It's Diablo, but surprisingly even more basic than Diablo. Yeah, that's one. Well, it's a little, it's deeper than Diablo 1, that's for sure. Well, yeah. But that's also a game from like 20, ooh.

Starting point is 01:31:23 Yeah, 25 years ago. Woo! Anyway. Woo! Yeah, so Minecraft Dungeons. You know, my son likes to play Towerfall with me and Luke. So we've done that a fair bit. He's actually like pretty good.

Starting point is 01:31:38 Like he'll win rounds sometimes. Like. Increasingly sometimes. Yeah, it's amazing how quick they learn hey at the start it was like no and then it became like maybe once or twice a session and now it's becoming like he's like he can actually win full matches yeah pretty competitive i don't like it from david i've heard you guys talk a lot about ideas that never happened because it wouldn't perform well do you guys have a favorite video that got away or something you really wanted to do but just couldn't justify?

Starting point is 01:32:14 I can open up the dock. The video tracker dock is a black hole. I know there's been a bunch, but I honestly don't. I mean, we still haven't done the Murphy bed PC. That's a matter of time. Oh man. We still haven't done a double blind to see if people can hear the difference between headphone amps and DACs.

Starting point is 01:32:38 Man, there's so many, so many videos in here. I'd have to really rack the memory because it's not something i've really considered pc building speed run any percent world record it's one that we've got in here call me chris collab that we shot already i can delete that man there's so many things i've never like and i think you know this i've never liked the whole speed building thing. Well, you had to do it at like an event, a sponsored event or something once. And wasn't it like kind of a fiasco? We trolled them, remember? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:13 Didn't we wear like horse head masks or something? I wanted to troll them. It was, you weren't there. It was just me going. Oh, I thought, did I do a horse mask one at some point? It doesn't matter. Okay. So it was just me going.

Starting point is 01:33:23 I talked to you about how like I should do it, right right like it was a good idea for the company at that time but it's a stupid thing so like i wanted to spice it up and you were like why don't you do this and you told me to wear a horse head mask oh that's right and they like were a little apprehensive about it so i just stopped talking about it just smuggled it on stage and stashed it under the table and then when they told us to start i pulled it out from under the table and put it on and just did it that way anyways and that stream went from like didn't really matter to top of twitch because of that so like wild success and totally worked out but it only did because of the horse head mask no one cared about speed building a computer because

Starting point is 01:34:05 why like i don't know i've never actually do is go carefully and yeah take care of your things like like what we've been trying to teach people forever is to do it properly not to do it necessarily do as we say not as we do yeah and then like if you're if you're like factory building computers that's a different thing yes but like but then you'll have a team of people you'll be doing it in an assembly line yeah it's different just like we finished assembling this wan show we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel thanks for tuning in guys bye you

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