The WAN Show - My Reaction Channel Is Getting Called Out - WAN Show January 27, 2023

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

Get an exclusive NordPass deal plus 1 additional month for FREE here: https://nordpass.com/linus and use code LINUS Timestamps (Courtesy of NoKi1119) Note: Timing may be off due to sponsor change: 0:00 Chapters 1:30 Intro 1:55 Topic #1 - DarkViperAU on reaction channels 2:06 Linus confesses he only read the video's comments 3:08 Summarizing last WAN & Linus's impactful size 8:43 Linus on community backlash & perception 10:45 Collabs, pressuring, zoned ads & fair play 13:26 Matthew's points, Luke on "react" content 15:58 LTT's GPU tier list video, low-effort content 19:38 Discussing & defining reactions on YouTube 23:07 Matthew on transformative content 24:49 James's small creators showcase idea 25:42 Linus on LTT's reacts, Luke on reacting to mineral PCs 28:12 Is there value in providing good reacts content? 30:04 Ethical reactions, LTT's GTX Titan "benchmark" 33:03 LTT's unpaid intern's "C-clamps" 36:14 Original Sauce - CaseLabs returns from the dead 43:11 Would LMG consider making their own cases? 44:38 Linus apologizes for reading off the script in Arc video 46:52 Luke notices Linus reading on the video and laughs 48:24 Reason behind scripting the video 50:43 Discussing new AMD & Radeon challenge 50:48 Bricked BIOS, summarizing the challenge & adding Jake 52:32 Luke's GPU not fitting, forced into watercooling 55:10 Merch Messages #1 ft. Dan's Noctua hoodie 1:16:20 Topic #2 - Activation lock scraps MacBooks 1:16:56 Explaining encryption feature 1:17:54 Proposed solution 1:20:28 M2 MacBook Pro SSD slower than M1 models 1:24:29 MacBooks lock, Jonathan's reaction to Apple 1:27:46 Sponsor 1:31:52 Topic #3 - Microsoft's Power-Savings option triggers outrage 1:32:53 A terrible take & an adult man's tweet 1:33:49 FOX's "Woke brigade is after video games" 1:35:20 FOX's boomer guide on XBOX, Microsoft on savings 1:41:02 Confusion behind Microsoft's wording 1:44:42 Funny comment on fighting savings, why do people care? 1:45:48 Topic #4 - Linus's experience with Ludwig's bidet 1:47:16 Linus's bidet experience & "the upper hand" 1:49:52 Linus on fancy toilet & pricey stores 1:52:28 Luke thought of getting a bidet 1:54:46 Luke is alone, Merch Message #2 1:58:29 Topic #5 - CNET used AI tools for finance articles, corrects again 1:59:02 "Thoroughly edited," corrects half of it 2:00:44 Medium bans unclear AI-authored work, theft problem 2:03:17 Anti-AI idea for plagiarized scholar articles 2:05:15 Linus mentions "TikTok's enshittification" article 2:08:56 Pros & Cons on competing with BuzzFeed using AI? 2:11:39 Topic #6 - Cryptominers AMD GPUs cracks 2:11:56 Topic #7 - Samsung's 990 Pro SSDs failing 2:12:53 Topic #8 - Google drops support for OnHub 2:16:04 Recalling Google Clips camera 2:15:04 Can we trust Google products? Luke on "smart" bird feeders 2:18:54 Cole-Bar responded, Luke on Linus's face & updating passwords 2:22:28 Topic #9 - AMD "calls out" older AMD GPUs 2:24:28 Topic #10 - LTX 2023 update 2:24:42 Tickets to go live this Monday 2:27:35 Merch Messages #3 2:36:20 How many hours a week do Linus & Luke work? ft. history with Yvonne 2:50:39 LTT to react to The Verge's build video? 3:01:50 The next Nintendo console to be similar to Switch, or a fixed station? 3:11:28 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and are apparently being scrapped because of activation lock. Okay, in all seriousness, though, yes, MacBooks are perfectly good if they're two years old, and that's a bad thing. But it's also a bit more complicated than that. What else we got today?

You know, stuff. CNET issues mass corrections for AI-written articles. This is actually hilarious. I'm excited for that. It's like really funny. And what else do we do? What else do we do?

Linus talks about washing his butt. Really? Yeah, why not? Seriously, you don't want to do public backlash against Microsoft for reducing gamers' power bills? It's pretty funny, too. I don't even understand. It's actually hilarious. Okay, because I don't get it.

Yeah, you won't get it. No, don't even understand It's actually hilarious Because I don't get it Don't read it now Let me tell you about it Oh we have a fun new segment To introduce this week It's going to be called Original Sauce That didn't help me understand at all so all right let's get this party started

i am going to get right out ahead of this and say i meant to watch dark vipers video but i actually haven't i did see that it went up i actually read the vast majority of the comments on it because that's how i consume youtube i don't that is true that this is true i don't watch videos i just read the comments on them i've've watched this happen. I didn't really believe it the first time he told me. This is actually true. You can actually get, you can get a deal. Okay. Oh, man.

We're going off the rails here. We're going off the rails already. I would make the argument, and this is going to be a controversial take. It sure is. I would make the argument that you can actually get a deeper understanding of a video based on reading a sig i'm not i'm not talking if you read like four comments i'm talking a video that has a lot of interaction you read several hundred comments on it okay i am arguing that you can get a deeper understanding of a what was discussed, and B, the greater context of it

by reading the comments under a video versus actually watching the video. People should try this. With that said, I did make sure someone watched it, so I had our new end show writer watch it and summarize it, and I will be responding.

So after last week's discussion of a future Linus Media Group reaction channel uh gta let's player and commentator dark viper responded with a video essay entitled is it even possible for reaction content to be ethical because if you guys remember last week that was one of the uh sort of guidelines that I laid out for what exactly our reaction content could look like. Dark Viper praised my desire, apparently, I didn't watch the video, but this is evidently true, to make ethical reaction content. But he claims that reaction content fundamentally cannot be ethical and questions the impact of a channel as large as ltt embracing it do we want to get to the end before we comment no i think we can start commenting now because step one let's

fire on that and i saw a lot of this in the comments as well which is how i processed the video because i'm a reader not a video watcher um first of all they're a lot man and it's not just this like you know whether it's when people feel like we're not calling out a manufacturer hard enough for their pricing or or whatever else it is people seem to really overestimate the amount of sway that i have i do not have the kind of power that people seem to think I have. We are a substantial player in the YouTube space. Won't deny that. I mean, I get my invitation to Top Creator Summit or Creator Summit or whatever they call it now.

And, you know, there's some... I look around and I'm like, whoa, okay, I'm rubbing elbows with some pretty, pretty big online creators. Apparently, they think I belong here. So that's cool, right? You know, obviously, we're not tiny little minnows in the ocean that is YouTube. But I do not single-handedly have the power to make or break a style of content. I think that might be. Pranks. Reactions.

Some context here. I think that might be a category thing. If you are someone who consumes a lot of gaming slash tech stuff. Right. Your name's going to be all over everything. So the perception might be an increased amount. You know what I mean? I see.

The other thing is Dark viper okay at least some degree likes the channel okay has worn ltd shirts in videos before sure so within his specific bubble might be big as well and then another thing is sure i think just as much as the statement that you said might be correct i think at the exact same time in the exact same realm the idea that you underestimate is probably also true because an aspect that i i would bring up here is about the cannot possibly be ethical thing i saw that kind of frowned for a second i was like how, how can that be? That doesn't make, because we talked about how you could just, you would ask people first, right?

You'd get approval first. Sure. Is that fair? So you're going to talk about the power imbalance? Yes. I see. Because if it's a small channel, they might not want to piss you off.

I see. Okay. I have been guilty of not considering that aspect of things before. It's a tough and annoying thing to consider. Yeah, I mean, it's tough. It's really tough because from my point of view, when I was a smaller channel, yes, there were times when I definitely bent over backwards to do something for a larger channel.

But there were also times when I just either directly, usually not directly, but would just kind of blow off a larger channel and just say, yeah, maybe someday. And then just kind of, you know, passive aggressively never reply. Like I never really struggled with saying no. Yeah. But some people might i can see how some people might um but again i have to come back to this i don't have the kind of power you might think that i do like whatever negative consequences you might feel I could somehow bestow, whatever a negative bestow is, inflict upon you. Yeah, that's a better word. Whatever you think I could do to you, I probably can't.

Like, and again, I've been told this before. Like, yeah, if you're a small channel, like, Linus dumping on you could destroy your channel. The fear might be there, though. Regardless of the possibility, the fear might still be real. Yeah, but I can't do anything about that. I can't do anything about people's fear. All I can do is tell you that...

And full transparency, I haven't watched it either. So I don't know if you brought up this argument but wow most professional most professional podcast way we're doing what he wanted good show yeah we're not only not gonna play your content on the show we're not even gonna watch it we're just we're just taking from the comments okay okay no this is a really good point from joni b over on floatplane chat realistically if i dunk on a small channel the backlash you're gonna look like an idiot i'm gonna look like a asshole and it's Like, even times when we didn't even do anything. Like, remember when Content ID got enabled for the channel through our MCN? And what happened was there were some smaller channels that were getting screen capture of Unigine Heaven Benchmark identified by Content ID.

And then their videos were getting, like getting claimed for monetization by us. The immediate reaction, without anybody even asking us, even these content creators, nobody took a second to ask, hey, is this on purpose, or is this a bug? It was incredible. It was incredible how quickly I was vilified. And I was like, I had no idea. And I, anti-other creators, or whatever it is, I wouldn't even start to touch it. And so I just, I mean, I've made mistakes. I mean, there was that time I made the silly voice for Pokimane's take on something. I don't even remember what it was. It doesn't matter anymore uh like i i certainly make mistakes but i mean oh yeah no no no man i i can't do anything to you if you're a smaller creator you got to remember too like you're punching up like i'm a If I go toe-to-toe with you at this point. So, anyway, Dark Viper.

Dark Viper argues that the prolific... Oh, you know what? No, I haven't finished addressing that. So, yeah, the potential for people to just feel like they're being pressured or coerced into agreeing, that's valid. We would have to find some way to address that. I don't have any immediate ideas. I mean, one thing is you could just reach out proactively with some kind of offer. And this would be tough because YouTube doesn't have a mechanism. I mean, maybe this is something I can pitch. That's a power I have. I can pitch ideas to YouTube. But maybe this is something I can pitch is like, hey, you guys already suggestion. Maybe this is something I can pitch. It's like, hey, you guys already... A React suggestion? Well, no, not even that.

I'm talking more along the lines of some kind of a revenue share. Like, hey, you guys already have the ability to tag a collaborating creator. Well, what if you could just deepen that capability and you could tag a collaborating creator for revenue share. That'd be really interesting, actually. It might be difficult because people being in different jurisdictions, for example, that might not even have the same ad suitability for eligibility, right? So it might play an ad that is not even eligible for monetization in that jurisdiction, right?

It might be annoying, and they might not be willing to do it because of that, but it might be one of those situations where just only certain zones can collaborate with other ones. But that sucks, right? Yeah, that's why I said they might not make it. Yeah, see, that's not a creator-centric approach. I mean, I would say that even if there's some limitations, it would be better for us to say,

hey, in the interest of, you know, a fair play, we really would like you to do your best to kind of divvy it up 80-10-10 according to, you know, how much of their source content that we used. I mean, that way, I think there's a very strong argument to be made that while you should still stay well within the guidelines or pillars of fair use, at least then if you stray a little bit over the line or at least then if you have an agreement with them, you can kind of say, well, everyone got paid. So, cool. So that would be one way to take care of it and for those of you who are who are gonna propose that you know maybe we just like issue checks or what i can tell you right now the admin on this would absolutely destroy it we basically just never react to anything and be like no like yvonne's wrist would be too tired to do much more important things if she had to sign that many checks.

Yeah. Significantly more important things. So Dark Viper argues that the proliferation of parasitic reaction content, such as certain kinds of live streaming, has negatively impacted creators of original content and has pushed more creators to also make reaction content i mean yeah i i was i feel like i was completely transparent with the community last week i i said look this is the lowest hanging possible fruit like it it boggles my mind it's it's one of those genres that i don't personally consume. I don't personally get it. But I can't ignore the appeal. People love it.

Like, do you know how hard, Jake in particular has been a champion of React content here. Whether it's, actually, I think it was, it was Linus Reacts to Mean Comments was a James initiative more than Jake. Damn it. But both of them.

You're even dropping fake GPUs. I mean, this one's safe at least. Yeah. But both of them have pushed hard. Like, we'll have a week when we're kind of sitting there going, oh, man, we're really going to struggle to hit quota this week. And they're like, dude. Do the easy thing. Just react.

We have had an issue for a long time this is completely ignoring the react content thing just for a second it it touches on this but yeah we have had an issue for a very long time of just refusing to take easy wins and if we're like hey that project sounds not difficult and also highly profitable. The answer is just like, no. We need to find the more difficult project, which has a less likeliness of making money. No, it's not that. It's not that.

I'm obviously exaggerating by a bunch. There are other reasons. But there has been some of that. The reason is that I find it boring. And I find it lazy and I don't respect it. So then why are you doing a React channel? Because we're running a business here. I have a hundred people to support.

So this is the same reason why we used to argue to take the low-hanging fruit. It's the exact same argument. I'm happy you're on our side now. To be fair, it wasn't always React content. Or if it was React content, this is where we get into it it wasn't reacting to other people's generated video content it was reacting to user comments or whatever else um but yeah i mean it's one of the like sticking with what i like has been a winning strategy for this channel for like 14 years.

When I get bored of something and I get bored of things like real quick styles. Other people are likely getting bored of it as well. They might not even realize they're getting bored of it yet. And if I move on, it's like, it's classic showbiz. Always leave them wanting more yeah if i move on before you guys get a chance to go oh i really wish they'd like move on from you don't want to make that next season of the tv show if the next season of tv show is going to be crap and everyone's going to remember that show as ending really poorly yeah it's class it's game of thrones

yeah game of thrones right there right as much it sucks, you would rather Firefly than Game of Thrones. And, too soon. And the thing is that, and the thing is that, like, it's not wrong of me to trust that and say, look, I feel like this is, I feel like this is cheap. I feel like it cheapens the brand.

I feel like it looks low effort. I feel like it does this. I feel like it cheapens the brand. I feel like it looks low effort. I feel like it does this. I feel like it does that. You know what? I've ended up being wrong in some of those cases. No, the consumer was not savvy enough to recognize that this is low effort garbage and they want more low effort garbage. Okay, fine. I'll give it to them.

Or they want to. I mean, we figured that out with video quality, right? No one cares. But what's critical, what's absolutely critical, and what I will never back down from, is that for every upload that you do that is, like, low effort, like, okay, for example, we uploaded a tier list for the first time, or not uploaded, we recorded a tier list video for the first time ever

right in the lead up to the WAN show today. Okay. Yeah. I don't even know what it is so we did we did gpu tears over 20 years okay yep um for every one of those you upload you have to upload something original and thoughtful and compelling or or multiple things that are original thoughtful and compelling exclusive right now no no it's gonna go up on youtube oh it's just not up yeah it's recorded but it's not actually understood yeah um so just like ranking gpu generations um so first of all we put way more effort into it than some people would like it's not just live reactions to it like reasons why stuff like that yeah we had someone working on researching it for like a few days and then i sat down and i did a marathon like two and a half hour script review where we fact

checked things and i added some of my own things that i remembered and all that kind of stuff like it's a really good video um okay so that's not a good example but if we were gonna do if we were gonna do some kind of low effort low hanging fruit, there has to be a reason that people care about your two cents on reacting to this, or, you know, unboxing that or whatever the case may be. And so that's something that I will absolutely not be backing down on. And if anything, we are quadrupling down on because that's a big part of what the lab is going to do. So when Jake and I do a silly vlog, That's a big part of what the lab is going to do. So when Jake and I do a silly vlog, like, you know, swapping out a couch or something,

you know, in a theater room, right? When we also are like, hey, and we're going to change out the projector screen and the projector because the lab tested it and these are like the best bang for the buck or they're the like, just like S tierist projector and screen or whatever else. You're going to be able to trust that our low effort content and our, and our low hanging fruit opinions are going to be backed by, by data, by, by due diligence.

That's what we're trying to build ourselves toward. So we just have to be careful not to see that those view numbers and kind of go, well, this gravy train will go forever. Because I've seen, and I'm not going to name any names. I don't feel like it. It's just not worth it. But I've seen large, very reaction-focused channels that used to do a lot of challenges or a lot of, like, comedy stuff. a lot of challenges or a lot of like comedy stuff and then just saw how well reactions performed and then went to straight reactions i've seen them just nose dive also seen them do the opposite yes yes this is true but i don't think anyone would watch beast reacts without the main mr

beast channel i just don't think they would why Why should I care what this guy with, like, a weird mustache thinks? I've never watched any of it, so I have no idea. Well, it's just him, but reacting. And they gamify a little bit. They always find ways to innovate, those guys. But why would I watch this if I didn't know who MrBeast was? Well, there's channels that are entirely based around just reacting, and they basically have only ever been that way.

So, like, really it can work for some people. We're going to get back into the argument we had last week about what reaction is. Like, I would argue that something like Good Mythical Morning is heavily reaction-based. In fact, you've probably heard me make the argument. Actually, I don't know if you've ever heard me say this. This is something I say to the new writers a lot.

Basically, 80% to 90 percent of youtube is reaction videos i haven't heard you say i define it extremely broadly and the reason for that is that it puts them in the right frame of mind to write a video for a youtube viewer because a youtube viewer is not the same as a YouTube viewer. Because a YouTube viewer. Is not the same as a TV viewer. Okay I think I see where you're going. And so the reason that I would define. YouTube viewers. And the way that I. The reason that I would.

The reason that I would categorize YouTube viewers differently. And the reason that I would say that. Most YouTube videos are reactions. Is right in the name of the site. Right? YouTube. That was the whole point. The whole point was real people. So no matter what it is, maybe it's a review. My review of a new GPU

is fundamentally a reaction video. I am reacting to it. You only care because you care what i think that's the whole point and only super produced super sterile like corporate run channels are not reactions so whether it's unboxing kinder surprises or whether it's you know uh playing with some toy or like whatever whatever it is whether it's like you know man i'd say like maybe maybe tutorials would be a category that that does not qualify as a reaction video but i think some of them would i would also say that many tutorial videos are going to inherently include they people want that personality and if you aren't reacting you're basically you're a stiff out there i think this is a one word two definitions scenario though sure because you're using the word correctly but you're not using the word correctly in the way that modern content creators are using

the word that's i and i think they're both using it just like in different ways sure um but yeah that makes sense that's an interesting way to frame it yeah so i mean yeah dark viper's point that uh the proliferation of react content has pushed more creators to also make it yeah sure 100 sure no doubt um dark viper calls for linus and other creators considering reaction channels to not only find a way to limit harm but also to but to always create something new and transform it oh yeah okay yes so I'm way ahead of you definitely because I I feel like at some point if all you do is just create derivative works it hurts the brand right you won't be seen as an innovator like i i think i think that one of the reasons that people seem to feel like i have this outsized impact on the platform or on other

creators is because we have gone out of our way to do things our own way for better or for worse we've reinvented a lot of wheels which sometimes people have copied and whatnot yeah which some and which sometimes have crashed and burned, and thankfully nobody copied. Yeah. Right? But I feel like we do have a reputation for doing our own thing, which is good. And no, this is not going to harm that.

Those weird nerds up in Canada. Yeah, DarkViper further argues that LMG did not make this decision to highlight small creators. It's a business decision, potentially very profitable. profitable i mean i was transparent about that as well so i don't really know what the point of bringing that up is yes i mean it was a business decision again very clear you didn't watch the video neither did i you might not say it that way right okay fair enough but like yes um yes correct yep um however however in order to make ethical reaction videos we did talk about the necessity of highlighting smaller creators and there have been video concepts that have been pitched internally that have existed solely for that reason uh one that we've started

a couple of times and then just we've gotten busy or like the writers gotten bogged down or assigned to something else or whatever else so it's not on purpose that we never completed it but one was like a like a small creator showcase one i think james got as far as um like getting like 20 on a list and then he wanted to pare it down to like six or something like that and then wanted to like really watch a lot of the content so we could highlight some of the like really great things they did and so i think it was one of those ones where he just got a little too ambitious and it didn't make it across the finish line but um i mean it is something that we do consider even if no you're right it wasn't the the primary

motivation for creating a reacts channel um jp note oh okay this is the uh the writer uh part of the problem is that the term reaction content has an extremely broad uh usage and can include everything from highly creative content like good mythical morning to zero effort reposts where some jerk with a green screen stares into space in the corner yeah yeah fair enough jayden in full-plane chat said i think you need to be more clear what you're doing dark viper's point is that with live streamer reactors, it's nearly impossible to have fair use since they haven't already seen the content and can't guarantee there will be substantial content added

or that only what's needed is included. As far as my understanding, it's not a live streaming thing though, right? No. Yeah, so I don't... Yeah, no, no. I mean, I think it's a fair point though. so yeah i should clarify that it would be it would be edited and the goal would be to make it a highly entertaining standalone piece of content like don't expect us to just start

reacting to i don't know stuff that's outside of our realm but like uh you know reacting to sports fails. Like why? Our goal isn't to just go full variety, just broad spectrum, just shotgun approach to our content creation. The idea would be to find content that would be well within our wheelhouse to discuss and comment on. The whole mineraleral Oil PC thing

was like my thing for a long time. Yeah. And a group that has kind of carried that torch a little bit more has been Toasty Bros. Nice. They have, let's see, do they have like a top videos thing? No, they don't do that.

I know they've had, yeah, I mean, if you go to their homepage and you scroll down, you see custom builds. First mineral PC running Windows 10 and filling it up, 4 million views from eight years ago. AMD FX9590 and RX460, 8-core mineral PC, world's first mineral PC with Windows 11, Ryzen mineral PC and filling it up. Nice. They do mineral PC stuff. I think reacting to some of it could be cool and could maybe boost them but

i would only want to do that if they also thought that would be cool yeah and then it might boost them um so yeah i don't know wow i've been waiting for ltd sports reacts no no you haven't luke reacts to conrad's god tier dota gameplay i would actually i would i would do that no that won't be necessary yeah that maybe doesn't go on the channel but i would uh our discussion question here uh we've got two so one is that there's clearly a strong demand for reaction style content is there value in providing the best possible version of that content? So obviously I think so. Otherwise I wouldn't do it, but I mean, you have no horse in this race. Uh, I don't think you should just do whatever there's a strong demand for. And I

think you would make that same argument. Um, and best possible version, if that best possible version if that best possible version is still trash i don't think it should be made um i think there's a lot of ethical questions but if those can be overcome that there is potential for good i do think that's definitely a thing i have no idea what toasty bro's opinion of what i said earlier is but if they thought that was good i think that would be a good example um i would somewhat struggle to see you finding enough of those scenarios every week but maybe you could i don't know well i'm not saying it's not gonna happen i just think it might be hard yeah because i Because, I mean, you know as much as I do, creators are a little rough with communication from time to time.

Myself included. So, like, you might reach out a bunch and just not hear back, or you're going to hear back in two months, or you're going to hear back immediately, but then not get the confirmation on the next thing for two weeks or whatever else. Yeah, it do be like that. You're putting yourself at a lot of risk of of communication

woes completely screwing your production pipeline and then that putting pressure on the team whose goals potentially and and and whatnot for quarters or however it works is based around getting enough videos out in that section and then completely outside of their control not necessarily because they could shoot more broad spectrum. They could hit up more people at a time. Yeah, and we can react to our own stuff, too. Wow. There's an ethical reaction channel. Yeah.

LTT reacts to LTT. Man. You only react to your own things. Oh, man. I came across the funniest video. You could do, like, LMG react to linus talking announcing news on the wanshow that they've never heard of before we have probably company i have probably personally made more tech videos that i completely forget than most other channels have ever uploaded yeah like

for real though um we uploaded a video this this is hilarious i came across this today because uh as we were working on the tier list video i i was like yeah hold on what what what what were the circumstances around the launch of the gtx titan so i was i was looking at was luke in any of those videos because i wanted to find one that we were both in yeah see yeah i couldn't remember yet i don't know i couldn't remember either so i went back and I was looking at our GTX Titan videos and we had one called Early GTX Titan Benchmarks. You click on the video. It's about a minute long.

And basically before the NDA, I take the card. I've got it on the bench. I'm like, yeah, here's our test bench. I remember that. We uploaded that. I'm like, yeah, here's our test bench. I remember that! We uploaded that! I pull the card off. I'm like, okay, so what's really important when you're benchmarking

is you get it correctly positioned on the bench. I pull out a f***ing chalk. I draw a line around it. I'm like, there, we marked the bench. There's your early benchmarks. No, but seriously, we're going to have lots of content coming on this card. See you later.

I distinctly remember that being made. But I'm stunned that we actually released that. That wasn't on April 1st or anything, was it? Oh, no, February 2nd. Wow. Yeah. Okay. yeah okay yeah absolute absolute move like i don't i don't know how that's rough i thought i could get away with stuff like that that's rough people weren't even mad people are so serious now i was gonna say the space was very different okay tell me something did they change or did I change?

I think a little bit of both. The content's a lot more serious these days. Like the, especially like content quality. Think about the stuff we were releasing back then. I mean, yeah, I was taking a GPU and putting it on a bench and drawing a line around it.

Like that was a video apparently. Yeah. That's ridiculous. If you, if you release that now, I think there'd be uproar because the average quality is so much higher i don't know there's uh yeah because that wasn't that much longer than unboxing motherboards in a parking lot yeah that would have only been what like

three years yeah something like that three four years later yeah like speaking of that era um do you remember the video we did intern search when we were the jenga thing no no no no that was that was actually like hiring for a position this was before we actually had any money and we were like i don't know are like unpaid interns a thing we were like is this when we looked for ed no no no this is um this ed was there so remember uh where's my c-clamp you don't remember this at all i i'm getting some i'm in the backyard in my boxers in the garage hold on all right let's just bring it up let's just bring it up all right we're reacting to our own content this i'm totally okay with i think there are no ethical problems with

reacting to our own content at all all right here we go minus his laptop let's go let's go look at this guy for some reason i remember this frame um yeah i was going for like a super super can they can they hear this no i don't know oh i. Hold on. There's your problem. No ethical problems. No, they should be able to hear it. Okay. Hopefully it's not too loud. Let's go.

Let's go. Look at this guy. For some reason, I remember this frame. Yeah. It zooms out in your inboxes. I was going for like a super, super. Oh, boy. The garage.

I'm benching Far Cry,, super... Oh boy, the garage. I heard f***ing C-Clap in there. I f***ing told you I didn't move it. I'm benching Far Cry, I think, or Crisis, maybe. That makes sense. Anywho, fun fact. Do you remember the person... I remember the video now. No, do you remember the person... Yes.

...who like came in twice to basically like hang out with us i do didn't really do any work uh which is fine because yeah that's unpaid interns are not legal yeah um and we never even attempted to do anything like that again yeah we were look we were very desperate it was a desperate time. That person finished their education. Oh, you had the stream audio playing. Oh. Oh, sorry, guys. My bad. You can look it up.

Yeah, that person finished their education and is currently interviewing for an engineering position for Creator Warehouse. What? That's actually super cool. Yeah, I was working from home yesterday because we were shooting at the at the house for um uh amd 30 day challenge and then i was doing something else there as well i can't remember um i remember he came in with a custom keyboard yeah and he had

the dust cover yeah so he was in interviewing the day that i was shooting the amd gpu challenge i was like and so Nick messaged me. He's like, yeah, this guy didn't say anything about it until he came in for the interview. But like, do you remember someone by the name of like, yeah,

like, oh, well he's in for an interview right now. Do you want to come say hi? I'm like, oh, I wish I was there. I would totally come say hi.

That's wild. I could tell him how useless he was, but how fine that was because we didn't pay him. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. That's funny. Amazing. But how fine that was because we didn't pay him so yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah Amazing that's funny amazing

So that's cool Why don't we move on oh Why don't we do our let's do our new segment? Yeah, this segment is called Original sauce this is cool. Yeah, I segment is called Original Sauce. This is cool. Yeah. I like this. And basically, it's just going to be finding something that's a development in the tech world. Like, we have people reach out to us all the time going, here's something that's happening.

Or here's someone we think you might like to talk to. Do you want to have this person on the podcast? Do you want to make a video about this and you know what the answer is usually no because they have the personality of um untoasted toast that's just bread uh or it's not really interesting enough for like a full video channel release because we can't just upload bs anymore the way that we apparently used to so original sauce is going to be how we're going to tackle this stuff where we kind of go okay yeah we can definitely set aside the time to have an off-the-air phone call figure out if this is worth talking about and then compile some notes and let the community

know about it so every once in a blue moon it's enough that we end up making a dedicated video but probably not but probably not so we're going to the original sauce. And in this case, what we're going to be talking about is Case Labs coming back from the dead. So this was all compiled by the new WAN show writer who interviewed the new owner of Case Labs, Emile Ritterstedt? Anywho, the new owner of the Case Labs IP.

So Case Labs was first founded in 1971 and shut down in 2018 citing high u.s tariffs on the import of aluminum a primary component of their builds which had gone up in price by like 80 or something like that so they said their prices were just not going to be realistic they weren't going to be able to compete. Emil is a longtime PC and gaming enthusiast who's been building his own PCs for over 20 years. And until 2021, he was the owner and founder of a consulting company that assisted Swedish researchers in collecting data. In 2017, Emil bought a Case Labs case for one of his builds, a case he loved so much that when the company collapsed in 2018,

he reached out to Jim Keating, the former CEO, to discuss acquiring it, a process that was delayed by legal wrangling and the pandemic. Sounds about right. So this is according to Emil. His approach to reviving the brand is cautiously optimistic, heavy on the caution. Based on the finances of the former case labs, he believes that the company was on a consistent upward trajectory with strong fundamentals, but the basic combination of high overhead

and an excessively niche market meant that it could not survive the macroeconomic conditions that it faced in 2018. So his hope is they'll be able to restart Case Labs as a boutique custom case producer, but also expand into more general broad appeal products to give them a foundation of revenue while maintaining quality. The team is currently small. And I would say that this is now me talking, I would say this is going to be a big challenge because case labs is

advantage was expertise when it came to small run metal fabrication it's unclear to me exactly what expertise emil and his team are bringing uh but it might not have started with that given emil's um previous employment but okay i mean and because they're not they're not doing the fabrication But okay. I mean, and because they're not doing the fabrication. Yeah. So the team is currently small. And this was one thing that I had actually asked the writer to check in about because I, too, have a Case Labs case that I like very much

and was sad to discover that I can no longer get replacement parts for. And apparently that's their plan to start with, is to focus on replacements and parts, ideally by the end of this financial quarter. That seems aggressive. They're going to start with high-demand items and then expand once consistent sales are established, launch a survey in order to collect more data. So if you're a Case Labs case owner, now might be a good time to get in touch and say, hey, I could really use more drive sleds or something along those lines. They eventually wish to create and design cases and bring fabrication in-house and the current plan is to partner with an existing

manufacturer in sweden so as to keep overhead low oh that's questionable i don't know that low overhead and sweden necessarily go together very well well i think in this case because it's local. I guess so. But they also want to maintain a close eye on quality testing. I admire the will, you know. I admire the spirit here. I think that, you know, resurrecting a beloved brand like Case Labs, for those not familiar, they made highly customizable, very enthusiast- friendly enclosures i i think that trying to resurrect a brand like that is really cool um but i do question a little

bit the um i do think it's going to be extremely challenging i mean there's apparently still enough demand for these the style of case that mountain mods still exists uh this is this is surprising to me uh super cool folks over here from what i can remember it's been a long time and who knows maybe you know ben's not there anymore but um you know who Ben's not there anymore, but, you know, who knows? Maybe they are. But these guys make kind of a similar style of cube case. I don't know who was the original in this style, but, man, one of my favorite builds I ever did was in the H2GO. This is, was it, I think it was MATX.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It can do full ATX, but I did an MATX build so that I'd have more room for like a cool reservoir beside it or something like that. Yeah, these guys did some cool stuff back in the day. But I just don't know, you know, unless Case Labs sort of reinvents themselves and looks at different form factors or different styles of cases, I don't know that they are going to be able to achieve the kind of volume that would give them the growth that they might need to jumpstart this budding company. I hope they have a lot of runway.

And if they don't, or rather, and if they do diversify, then I do wonder if they're going to be left with what made them case labs. Like, if they're going to be left with an identity. Hopefully it works out. I liked case labs i thought they're super cool it's it's intriguing that they're back but i don't know if any of the original people are there at all no it doesn't sound like it yeah so in that case it's a brand name with some ip and not the people and case labs was a very people-driven company because you have to be when you're small yeah and doing boutique things so it's a tough situation hopefully it goes well yeah cyborg cats asks uh this is over on floatplane chat i wonder if lmg would or has

ever considered designing their own cases or even pre-builds um cases yeah sure we've talked about it uh i remember i basically designed what would turn into a pretty common small form factor case layout later with my bud Nate, who was at Cooler Master at the time. I kind of sat there and looked at one of their designs, and I was like, yeah, but it would be better if it was like this and this and this, and then it could be like almost the size of a PlayStation 4. And then we ended up seeing a bunch of cases that were like that and then one of the other things i was really passionate about was the idea of building gaming cases that are designed

for rack mount and then um oh crap what's the company that does a really really good job of those uh now i don't remember but you worked with them for a bit, didn't you? They sent over a Sligar. Wait, yes. Yeah, Sligar. Sligar exists and they seem to be doing a great job of those style of case. So for me, I would have to find something that nobody else is doing that I feel like the market needs and it's just never really happened, at least not at the right time with us having the right resources in order to bring something like that to life. As for pre-builts, I mean, I raised all of my concerns about the pre-built PC business when we reviewed the Star Forge system

that we did a little while back. I'll never say never, but it's a tough business. Very tough business. Speaking of cases, let's talk about the challenge updates. Yeah, sure. Should we start with ARK? You really want the challenge updates. Yeah, sure. Should we start with ARK? You really want to? Oh, yeah, sure.

I've got some things to say. That's why I really want to talk about it. I've got one thing to say. I would like to apologize to everyone for my unprofessionalism in the ARK part three video, part two and a half. Did you check your card out early? Whatever it was. No, no, not that at all. I didn't realize that I do this,

but I was apparently mouthing along to the script while you were talking. So we tried a really different format for that video. I had no idea. Yeah, A Prime messaged me. He's like, yo, can you not do that? I had no idea I was doing that. It's kind of, it's like feeding a baby.

These are the words words please say them totally subconscious um but we took a bit of a different approach to that video because what i wanted was for it to have kind of a conversational format but i also wanted it to have the structure of of a hosted written delivered video so that it would be nice and tight and to the point to be genuine and conversational but not wansho yes but have a bit of like a wansho vibe and and people picked it up but one of the side effects was that yes it was nearly fully scripted we ad-libbed a little bit just to kind of you know keep the energy up so that it wasn't just taking turns. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Reading. That was your line. But anyway, if I'd mouthed it, maybe you would have picked it up. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was really proud of it. Like, with notes from Luke, I wrote the vast majority of it for both of our parts, trying to kind of, you know, get his voice and also make sure that I was including all of his points. But keeping the structure of the video as tight as a fully scripted video. But I screwed up

reading the script along with you when I'm supposed to be just you know supposedly listening to new words I've never seen or heard of before that are coming out of you and paying attention anywho what had you wanted to say about it oh you are doing it I don't think I would have noticed if no one mentioned it and I bet you that's gonna be true

for a bunch of people so now like tons of people are gonna watch this and just see you need it because it's not like you're not like fully Enunciating but it is moving a little bit. You want to just show the people sure Let's see you can see it. It's minor, but you can see it. No I go full screen one sec Cringe but you can see it. Can I go full screen? One sec. Cringe. Here, I think I gotta go back. Wait, wait, wait.

There. You can see it. It's minor. It's minor, but he's doing it. Right after this if I remember correctly. Yep, right here. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, one second. I got to go back. Yeah, go back, go back.

Knit, knit, knit, knit. Knit, knit, knit, knit, knit. It's really minor. That's funny. Worst. The worst thing ever. A bunch of people in chat, yeah, can confirm, didn't see it initially. initially yeah i think most people wouldn't have noticed i want this to be very clear just because something is scripted doesn't mean it's not our genuine thoughts i took all the notes that luke provided

me i took all of my notes it's just a way to and this is something you've definitely heard me talk about even if not the every youtube video is a reaction video you know talk i give a lot of talks during like script reviews and and meetings with the writers uh but you've definitely heard me give the the the don't waste the audience's time talk like density density density density we were going to script it it like it should have been scripted but we were just trying as a conclusion video to something like this it makes sense for it to be more conversational, but it also needed to be scripted. And so what I thought about was just having like headers and then points that we wanted to make sure we hit, but that wouldn't have achieved the density that I wanted. It's going to turn into something that's way too long because you don't know when to end

it. Well, I do. It had to be scripted yeah i can there's certain things there's certain if you're not the reason when shows three and a half hours if you want proof of this go you're gonna have to dig but go back and find the oculus gets bought out by facebook when show i think i think i talked about that for literally like an hour i mean you ended up being right about basically everything which was kind of which is neat sad but well yeah i got so much flack too people hated me for it because they were like no they said this wasn't gonna happen i'm like yeah sure whatever yeah this is like common luke w how things go i've been calling ai stuff very accurately i know right like very accurate yeah like even when i'm like i don't know i'm probably wrong but i'm

pretty sure it's gonna go exactly this way and then it totally does open ai announcing the gpt chat premium was like whoa like the day after he's like yeah it'll be like that or i really hope it's like that on land shows like professional yeah yeah all right yeah you you got it okay you know what's up so is there anything else to say about the arc nope nope i don't really have anything else to say either yeah no i mean it i kind of i mean that's the point of scripting it is that i was able to sit there for four hours yeah take everything and put it into a nice little package the most interesting thing to me was that we both had the reaction that after week like two or three yeah we just sort of forgot about it

but yeah that was that was very interesting to me but yeah okay new one amd challenge radion challenge my computer was fully bricked after swapping but not because of amd maybe Maybe. I believe that my BIOS was corrupted. Oh. And it took a total of, between Jake and me, probably about three and a half hours of troubleshooting to get my system back to a bootable state. Whoa. And there were some compromises.

Oh. Wow. Were you planning to top that uh maybe oh no okay so there's gonna be some spoilers here guys if you don't like spoilers but realistically you're watching when show you love spoilers uh we do have the amd radion challenge coming yeah we uh i luke and we added jake this time all upgraded to the radeon 7900 xtx which actually i think for all of us is a substantial performance upgrade massive upgrade i mean i went from a 3090 which is a pretty darn good card but i'll tell you playing halo infinite it's fast i think i'll feel she's it quite a bit because I went from Titan RTX.

Which is still cooking. It's a good card. Totally solid. But, you know, I'm not maxing the capability of my monitor in every game that I'm playing. No, you're not. Yeah. So, first thing, you open the box and just, whoa, this thing is enormous. First thing, you open the box and just, whoa, this thing is enormous.

I've never had a card that I was putting in my own system that came with a stand. He didn't get a reference card, by the way. Oh, you got a reference card? Well, someone ended up with a reference card. Oh, okay. Sounds good. It didn't fit. It's not in my system. Oh. It doesn't fit it's not in my system oh

it doesn't fit cool so someone had the infinite wisdom to like force me to upgrade to water cooling because he knows that I don't like it so he gave me a water cooling required motherboard

oh yeah I remember that was cool. That's a good motherboard. It is. Yeah. The ASRock X570 Aqua. I came up with a joke before the show and I wasn't sure if I was going to say it or not, but I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to say it. But my joke was, it's like giving Greta Thunberg a Bugatti.

Cause it's really nice, but i don't want it uh anyway okay sorry um so yeah it didn't fit and the reason why it doesn't fit is because the reservoir is sitting right there yeah and the case is pretty small so there's like not really another no place to put the reservoir nice so i like actually don't know what to do i'll figure something out i'm gonna figure it out this weekend but like i don't know so wait you you you are not gaming on it no yet ah it's not in there all right i i have to redo the whole water cooling loop nice or something for an air-cooled card yeah nice yeah nice so like nice i don't know because like i told man we used one pre-existing hole and then we drilled another hole for mounting the reservoir yeah so there's potential that i just crank it to the roof and the reservoir like touches the top of the case cool and maybe it clears that way

but then there's a tubing run that's like really tight that goes right across there the best part is the gpu is not a gift so he has to go back to his rtx titan after so it's not like he can just you know take it out of the lube yeah yeah. Yeah, it's pretty funny. It's terrible. Yeah. PCI riser and prop the card outside the case. That's horrible. Spoiler alert. You might see some other solutions kind of like that.

Oh my goodness. I would really love to not redo my water cooling loop so if i can find any other solution i'm pretty much down nice um yeah why don't we talk about seating actually why don't we talk real quick about what merch messages are those of you who are new to the show will be seeing these little merch messages down here. People with their little messages popping up, or there's probably some that are curated already. Maybe we'll do a couple of the curated ones. Dan, our producer, can read those out for us.

Sup, Dan? We can't turn his camera on today because he's not wearing LTTstore.com merchandise. What is this, a Noctua hoodie? No. I mean, I'm sure it's a quality hoodie, but geez, man, you've got to rep them. It's not as nice as the LTT hoodies.

Don't lie. I know it's really nice. Anyway, the point is, if you want to get our producer Dan to check out your question, maybe curate it for us to address on the show, or if you just want to see it, slide on into our lower third here.

The way to do it is to go into lttstore.com and you can pick up a gift card you can pick up some comfy underwear hoodies we got all kinds of great stuff over there and then in the checkout you'll see a little field marked merch messages and you can put your message in and it'll go into our little processing queue here uh the reason that we do it this way is that compared to super chats on youtube we are more likely to actually see them so if you head over here oh okay nobody's actually sent any or maybe they have who knows because oh yeah okay oh look at that it didn't show up here but oh okay sure why not apparently that's how this works now you know what oh it did manage to populate the old ones maybe youtube finally saw my thing.

Either way, if you really want to throw money at Super Chats, you absolutely can. But YouTube takes a big chunk of that instead of it all going to creators and effectively you. Because with merch messages, we are still getting a significant cut of what you send. But you are essentially taking the rest, which is the value of the product, and getting it back to yourself in the form of something that you can enjoy. If you really want to throw money at the screen, you can just buy a gift card and then never use it on lttstore.com. Not that I would recommend that. I don't think you should just throw money away, which is why we do merch messages instead of super chats.

I've had a lot of people ask me okay linus mr merch messages are better than twitch bits or super chats why do you leave super chats on then well if people really want to throw money at the screen like what i'm going to stop them there's no obligation that we're going to respond yeah i could tell them not to i can tell them i'm not going to look at it but like and we we it shows it to other chat users as well. Yeah, exactly. That's their reason. Then go ahead. Yeah. So if they really want to do it,

then like, cool. But, um, yeah, you should, you should do merge messages there. It's a,

it's a better option. Yep. Cool. Why don't we do a couple? Dan, hit me. Okay. This one's from Michael.

The first annual chiplet summit concluded this week. And I'd like to know, do you believe chiplets will be the future of computers or is it just a patch until better technologies can continue the trend of die aggregation future future i think you mean the present yeah um yeah chiplets are are well and truly arrived at this point i mean man i saw some i saw some new like research paper stuff coming out around like two two-dimensional something or other some some new kind of transistor and i'm like oh moore's law is coming back and like i don't know yeah man sure if that if that plays out then then great i'm sure that manufacturers would rather create monolithic dyes rather than work on these super complicated interconnects that are necessitated by chiplet designs.

But that's not commercially ready yet. And even if the researchers think it is, there's a huge gulf between researchers thinking something is commercially ready. I mean, how many times have we seen researchers talking about how soon solid state batteries are coming or graphene or whatever else it is, and then real actual manufacturers of products going like, you guys have not considered many of these things that are real problems in the real world. that chip manufacturers would rather create monolithic dies, but if that's not an option,

then yeah, we're just going to have to rely on these high-speed interconnects that are getting pretty sophisticated at this point. So I'm excited for more 3D stacking, obviously, but

I don't think that 3D stacking is going to deliver, even though it'll help with density, I don't think it's going to deliver the kinds of cost advantages that consumers have enjoyed for the last 20, 30, well, 40 years, basically, as long as microprocessors have existed. Because it's just not as cost effective as just as shrinking the distance between the transistors. So yeah, I think I think chiplets, because they help improve yields, because they help optimize cost, like we saw this recently on Radion 7000 series, where, man, I'm gonna get the names wrong, because it's the kind of thing that I look at in script review,

verify, read out in the video, and then I don't need to think about anymore. But I think it's the kind of thing that I look at in script review, verify, read out in the video, and then I don't need to think about it anymore. But I think it's the cache and memory die that is on 6 nanometer, and then it's the compute die that is 5 nanometer TSMC or whatever it is. Because what they found was that TSMC's 5 nanometer process doesn't really shrink cache and memory very much, so they were able to save some money, which, I mean, kind of made its way to the end product. I mean, it's relatively affordable compared to NVIDIA's products. So it's now. It's the now. And barring some kind of miraculous innovation,

it's the future, too. It's been the now for a bit, too. Yeah, yeah. i mean amd really led the way in terms of proving that chiplets could be competitive with monolithic solutions next yo dan what's up oh sorry one more responding maybe two more merch messages yeah we'll do more towards the end of the show, guys. It ends up being kind of Q&A. People give us, people kind of T.S. up topics to talk about and stuff like that. Okay, this is a YouTube-focused one.

This is from Adam. Hey, Linus, I'm a truck driver and download basically all my YouTube content with Premium. Does my view time count to YouTube Analytics? 100%. So does, with one download download you get a 100 watched i believe oh shoot i have i have heard that discussed i don't remember the answer um i don't think so don't quote me on it um maybe it like averages yeah it doesn't do that no it either is like netflix where you come back online and it updates your viewers your view stats right

or it's 100 i can't remember which a premium download does that like download to device and you have to use the app to watch it? Correct. So it probably does that. It probably pays attention to how you actually watched it. That would be very logical. But yeah, there's a lot of confusion among viewers about, you know, how premium actually contributes to creators. It's hugely beneficial to creators, by the way. And this is even coming from someone who has their own video platform where they would rather you go subscribe to lowplane.com.

Premium is great for creators and great for the sustainability of the platform overall because, well, it's a lot more money than you can generate with an ad-supported view, I can tell you that much. And that even ignores the impact of ad blocking, for example. Even if absolutely nobody was using ad blocking on youtube paid subscribers at the rates that premium charges even even not in the the the highest um like the highest youtube premium cost countries it's so much so much more

than ads apparently spiffing brit said that you get 100 wash time oh that sounds like the kind of thing spiffing Britt would look into. So that may not be true forever, though. So I don't know. Maybe it's true now. Or it might have been true for the account that he used, or maybe he did watch it locally or something. Who knows?

I don't know. I don't know. But the point is that the way that the watch time gets calculated is generally smarter than I think people give YouTube credit for. For example, if you watch it 2x speed, it fully counts. It doesn't count as half the time. So it's by how much of that video timeline you consumed.

Okay, one more and then move on? Yeah. Oh, we didn't even talk about cool new stuff on LTT Store that people could get with the thing. So we've got new patterns for our, uh, for our boxers and, oh, we covered it.

Uh, we've got a new product. The GPU plushie is here. You've seen the CPU plushie. Now we've got the GPU plushie here. I mean, there's no point showing the product page when we can just show what it looks like.

That's right. There's your IO. There's your I.O. There's your backside. Show us your backside, Luke. Show us your backside again. Oh, beautiful. Oh, love it. Got it. And there's some fans, I think. Got some fans on there. Oh, yeah. There's the fans.

Basically, it's just a cute little decorative plushie. Don't overthink it. All right. One more merch message, then we'll move on to our next topic. Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. One more merch message. Okay, this is from Liz. Hi, Linus and Luke, I got a promotion at work.

Yay! Oh, it's a completely new department, though. Any tips on what you would be looking for in a new team member without much experience? That doesn't sound like a good promotion. Wow, are you sure you didn't just't sound like a good promotion. Wow. Are you sure you didn't just get like good luck thrown to the wolves? Yeah, this is interesting. You know what's really... Without much experience.

You know what's really funny? This really depends on the role. Go for it. Does this remind you of anything that ever happened? Are we going there? Wait, for what? Like the recent thing? No. I don't know.

I feel like this has happened to me multiple times. I don't know what you're talking about. Are you sure that you weren't just like impossible to deal with in your current position? Still valid. your current position still valid mine and uh mine and luke's relationship has been often complicated by my role as his boss on the one hand i think we're friends you know it yeah like like really though but on the other hand um at one point in time, I was his friend, his landlord, his employer. And I think there was technically like one other thing. All at once.

Yeah. No, no, hold on. Sorry. I'm not talking about that one. Anyway, so our relationship has at times been really complicated. Yeah. So, I mean... I mean, if he fires me, he doesn't get rent.

He's squatting in his house. Right? So, anywho, there was a period where our work relationship was pretty challenging. And Luke got a... promotion promotion you know what why don't i let you talk about it uh it was it was difficult on both sides i was a bit of a shithead um and there was also some other things going on i'm not going to put all of the blame on me. I think a lot of it can go there, though. I own some. Yeah.

100%. Yeah. Things happen. I had a lot going on, too. And then I started doing Floatplane. And it came with a better title. So it was a promotion in that sense. Not really.

Oh, that's right. You had that title at Linus Media Group that probably didn't. Yeah, to be fair, it was kind of fake and then it was kind of real. So that's better. Yeah. So there's that fake BS title.

Anywho. That part was an improvement. Yeah. So are you sure it wasn't that? I think it depends a lot. So they say, any tips on what you do for a new team member without much experience? You said promotion. So are you joining as a team member?

Are you leading this team? No, they're leading a completely new department. I think it's basically what I was doing. Yeah. So Luke went from being part of video production at linus media group to being the leader of floatplane yeah yeah and sick now though you know what yeah yeah i was gonna say that what's cool is that it actually like super worked this was it it was i think i in i think i softened it a lot i think probably you have a different memory of how certain things went at that time than are like actually real and i have receipts for a lot of it did i say mom spaghetti uh what because i'm pretty sure i said

mom spaghetti at some point probably one shot one opportunity oh yeah definitely okay so then i was pretty up front then i guess yeah about what this was like okay build something yeah fucking did it so there you go i think honestly the role change did actually solve a lot of the problems that like i was having with things i wasn't sure me neither like this was worth biting yeah i don't know i'm really happy with uh with the team that we have that's the main thing i'm happy with um yeah floatplane like existing and working seems like a fever dream like the fact that that even happened at all is like kind of wild and then we do tons of other stuff at this point now yeah that's like very impactful on the business on yvonne umbrella corporation like i just talked to uh someone from the inventory team about like how

cool the inventory system is yeah um i'm gonna say their names one of them i'm 100 certain i can say the other one i'm 98 but i think it's okay peter and tyler do a lot of the work on the inventory system and they launched something recently that was like super cool um Peter and Tyler do a lot of the work on the inventory system, and they launched something recently that was super cool. We do a bunch of infrastructure stuff, not just in Flowplane. Under the umbrella includes the Labs web development team

who are killing it. Under the umbrella includes Conrad, Department of One. Conrad. He's killing it. Yeah, AJ said, going on almost six years now yeah we've been going for a long time

the team's actually like big for a project that so many people called doomed and continue to call a failure it's going pretty strong so yeah I mean I'm like hey AJ the checks like they clear right like I six years later, still toiling away at this failure of a project. Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know.

It is what it is. It worked out. If you're leading it. Yeah, I mean, so then fine. You did it. Maybe they're being thrown to the wolves. It's a sink or swim moment, which is part of the name of float plane.

Yeah. Maybe, okay, how did you build the team? I don't know, dude. Find an AJ and a Yuki as fast as you can. If they're not named that, you're doomed. I'm kidding. No, it sounds like the team might already exist. If that's the case, there's going to be a lot of eyes on you. And I think you specifically said without much experience. It sounds like that might mean that you're lacking confidence here. Try to step into the situation without the lacking confidence, but try to step into the situation with humility at the same time. Ask the team what they need,

what type of things they think you should move forward on, and educate yourself very rapidly. You've been very kind about it. I totally misread it. Yeah, so they're joining a completely new department and they want to be... Yeah, it sounds like they might be a junior member. Yeah, they want to be what that department is looking for.

Enthusiasm. Yes. Ask lots of questions. And don't be afraid to ask questions, but take notes. This might be, don't ask the same question again, counter current culture,

but you might want to put some work in outside of hours to like familiarize. I know, I know, I know, but they're, they're asking for, for tips. And if,

if you're looking to, if you're looking to impress a new department, be growing and be growing rapidly. And if you can do that within hours, great. Like I'm not, you don't have to do this. But if you're feeling the burn when it's outside of work, you might be able to make your day better by just prepping a little bit more. The whole without much experience thing, I keep coming back to that. Don't try too hard be yourself i hate that advice um

sorry you gave me a hard time about dunking on float planes and strikers okay i'll explain why though jay citron we approve we we we like you still you're still cool yes stay subscribed and the be yourself part absolutely yeah i'm not i'm not telling you to be any different, but socially, but don't try too hard. Think. Yeah. Don't push yourself to the point where you're exhausting yourself too much. No, I think you misread this. Did I?

Yeah. I think it's like, don't try too hard. Like be yourself. Like, ah, like don't laugh too hard, you know? Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Then unless you're awful awful then be someone else

what i i'm specifically talking about effort level sure don't i wouldn't try too hard to necessarily fit uh like i wouldn't focus too much on being able to sit around the lunch table yeah without it being awkward i would focus hard on being a valuable member of the team yeah for sure because if you're a valuable member of the team. Yeah, for sure. Because if you're a valuable member of the team, people will want to talk to you. Apparently you were right. They said thanks. Okay, cool.

If you're a valuable member of the team, it's about to get one right. Even if you don't socially fit in super well, people are going to like that you're on the team. You'll still be respected even if you're not like people's BFF, right? And usually if you're respected because you're a valuable member of the team,

that'll just kind of happen with time. K k chirp this is this is pretty good this is a pretty good way of kind of summarizing I think what you um did a good job of oculus thing about there um no great boss ever asks his team to consistently put in work after hours but they sure do notice it yes that's a really that's a really good way so a short-term burst at the beginning to get yourself maybe not up to speed but at least closer show show some effort is never a bad idea like i was really impressed when um you don't want to be doing this long term uh james who didn't have a ton of tech knowledge coming in here compared to some of the other writers that we hired anthony alex

jake at that time right like these are highly technical people who just like did tech things for fun for lols right uh so james coming in i was really impressed when he asked um for funding to buy this like textbook about display technology and i was like it was like 200 or 300 dollars or something like that i was like okay i'm not buying this you're not going to read it but if you're actually going to read it and he did then yeah sure yeah like of course he's like yeah i and he's like yeah i read the whole thing on my own time like because the reality of it is that what you do during work time is work but what you do outside of work time you could almost think of as like qualifications yeah like you wouldn't have been you you were kind of hired based on having a go-getter

kind of attitude so yeah i mean by all means yeah i didn't ask him to and you don't you don't want to do this long term no it's not sustainable you're gonna burn out really hard you gotta have a life it's gonna be bad for you and it's gonna be bad for your employer to a certain degree because if when you're burnt out and you're showing up to work it's this is a line i know you've heard you're no good to me dead yeah heard that one a few times uh if i see someone going too hard that's that's what i always default to like hey look you're no good to me dead like yeah you're like you're a warm body but you're not here right yeah you're better showing up and doing the work than showing up and doing the work too hard and then burning out and disappearing and doing that cycle a bunch of times so putting

putting a little bit of extra effort at the beginning to get a little bit of a boost on that experience yeah uh might be a decent idea or not depends you're gonna have to vibe this out a little bit it might be a decent idea to kind of ask the team for some resources for things that you can catch up on um depending on the vibe though they might use that as ammo against you so it might be a good idea to find the resources yourself and try to catch up as best you can it just depends on the type of people you're dealing with all right uh why don't we move into our next big topic here perfectly good two-year-old macbooks are getting scrapped because of activation lock while new pro models ssd is found to be worse than the predecessor oh some bad news for apple this week last week computer repair store owner john

bumstead claimed that shops like his are being flooded with MacBooks that cannot be refurbished or resold thanks to Apple's activation lock feature, leaving no option but to sell them for parts or, more likely, for scrap. The feature, which comes on Macs with the T2 security chip introduced in 2018, allows the user to encrypt their data so that only the user can access it using Touch ID. The problem is that nothing, even a factory reset, can disable the lock unless the original owner turned off Find My or used the Erase Assistant prior to turning the laptop in. Bumstead says that previous owners are rarely responsive, being in large part

companies and schools that are upgrading hundreds or thousands of machines, and while he's heard of ways to bypass the T2 lock, those methods don't survive a reset which would screw over whoever buys the resold device. points out apple does have a process for removing activation lock from used devices provided that ebay or whatever gave you a receipt but the method doesn't work if the previous owner hasn't removed the device from their account bumstead wants that fixed like this oh i have a link here apparently ah cool so here's a here's a solution that is proposed um when we come upon a locked machine that was legally acquired, we should be able to log into our Apple account, enter the serial and any given information, then click a button and submit the machine to Apple for unlocking. Then Apple could explore its records, query the original owner if it really wants to,

and then if at the end of the day there are no red flags, the original owner, and the original owner doesn't protest within 30 days, the device should be auto-unlocked. It's like never going to fly if it has to go through apple absolutely never going to fly if it has to go through apple and even if it didn't have to go through apple like one of the things that i pitched to our writer before even looking at um john bumstead's ideas was you know how uh okay no you probably don't but okay dan you know how when you're logging in on an apple device it's pretty common for a two-factor code to just kind of pop up on your other apple device that's logged into the same account yeah we had that uh a lot the other day yeah i get that a lot on our teleprompter

which is really annoying anytime mac address is off-site shooting somewhere and it's like hey you're logging in from an unusual location i am trying to read the script anywho um you know i think that it would be pretty chill if the device is still in my account if someone else had it and was like hey requesting an unlock i could see apple selling that as a feature hey for that previous owner or potential theft victim um here's the current whereabouts of your machine did you uh like know about this that could be pretty useful and for the recent acquirer of said machine it would be great to be able to send a ping to the previous owner that's like hey i bought this um it's still in your account can can i use it that would be great however that also assumes that everyone would kind of act in good faith in this situation i was gonna say fair play here is gonna be an issue

which could which could be a big problem and i could see apple getting stuck as like kind of like an arbiter of of these kinds of disputes which they're not going to want to do they won't do it yeah and i think they're going to make privacy arguments about you know locations of devices being passed to to new owners and things like that uh but bottom line is we gotta we gotta have some kind of solution right and if this other news is anything to go by the new solution is not to simply just upgrade to the newest MacBook. In somewhat related news, the SSD in Apple's newest entry-level 14-inch MacBook Pro, so this is with the M2 Pro processor, 512 gigs of storage,

it is significantly slower than its predecessor in the 2021 14-inch MacBook Pro, so with the M1 processor and 512 gigs of storage. Though confirmed by multiple reports, evidence was first shared by Daniel of YouTube channel Zone of Tech, who clocked the 2023 model's SSD at just shy of 3 gigabytes a second write

and 2700 megabytes a second reads, and that is, wow, half a gig and over a gig slower, respectively, than the 2021 model he guessed uh correctly that apple is apparently pulling the same thing that they did back in june replacing the dual nand chip configuration in the m1 model with a single chip and this was confirmed by youtuber max tech and nine to five mac tom's hardware further notes that the new m2 mac mini features similar ssd performance degradation compared to the m1 mac mini from 2020 and 9-5 Mac. Tom's Hardware further notes that the new M2 Mac Mini

features similar SSD performance degradation compared to the M1 Mac Mini from 2020, confirmed by Twitter user at... Tablerone? And YouTuber Brandon Geekabit. I mean, the new one comes in $100 less than the original MSRP, but, like, what is the deal with this? It's kind of whack. Like not a fan i wonder if it's

i wonder if it's like the youtube quality thing in what way i wonder if they like know people don't care yeah i could see that i mean it's just it just, right? Like as a consumer, if I buy M2, is it not a fair assumption that it is better in every way than M1? Just as good or faster, yeah. I mean, there are certain situations where, sure, I can see some justification for this. So say, for example, an electric car. If you go with a top performance spec,

it might have less range. But there's a logical reason for that. If I get an M.2 processor, theoretically, I would expect it to have a better storage controller. Like, it shouldn't... That's not... The only thing you could reasonably really assume is that maybe the battery dies faster. Sure. In the same kind of concept.

Exactly the same sort of trade-off. Yeah. But yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's pretty clear that Apple is taking a, you know, whatever, these plebs won't notice approach. Yeah. You know, realistically, it's less about the hardware and it's more about the experience.

It's more about the ecosystem. And it's just, it's frustrating. And the thing is, like, I'm not the one who should be mad about this. It's more about the ecosystem. And it's just, it's frustrating. And the thing is like, I'm not the one who should be mad about this. Yeah. Apple users are the ones who should be mad. And yet it feels like Apple's users are the ones most likely to just take it.

Not really care. Over and over and over and over again. And I don't understand it which is probably why they're doing it i don't know i i really suspect it's the man speaking of which i've brought up the youtube quality a few things youtube quality thing a few times today because it's plaguing me it will refuse to play any video that i open at anything other than the lowest possible quality and i have to change it every single time. Nice.

There's no learning happening because I do it every single time. Nice. And out of spite, I put it on the maximum possible one. Despite that, like, I don't need that necessarily. I'm usually putting it in a small window on a side monitor. I don't care. But no, now it's going full. Screw you, man. Take that. I'm so annoyed. a small window on a side monitor i don't care but no now it's going full take that screw you man

take that i'm so annoyed i have a feeling that like because i'll leave open like uh say the lo-fi thing or whatever sure because i'll like just listen to music or it's on my speaker so the birds will hear it or whatever i i play for premium but boy i use it uh but i'm like wondering if they're like oh it's he's using too much let's make him use less or something i don't know but wow that's annoying i don't know going back to the the locks on the on the macbooks like and then there's a lot of different ways that you can kind of try to tackle this right like obviously if you just had removable ssds that are not tied to the T2 chip, that would address the refurbishing issue. Because the main issue is data privacy, right?

But that wouldn't... Well, no, the other main issue is device ownership, right? Like, we talked just last week about the benefits of encrypting devices. This reduces the value in stealing one. Exactly. It makes them worth so much less for a thief. It makes them worth so much less for a thief. And so it's not like I don't understand the benefits of doing it this way, but there has to be a way to tackle it, right?

So one of the ideas here was from Jam Amp, have students or parents sign that they agree to pay for locked laptops that are returned. Instead of shifting the blame to Apple, shift the blame to the users who are not unlocking these bloody things yeah like it was said that uh if it's like last week computer repair stop owner claimed that shops like his are being flooded with macbooks that cannot be referred well they're coming to you directly it sounds like so just try to get them to do it at the door obviously if it's a school the delivery person might just be like i don't know just leave them but like some effort should be done there i think there's got there has got to be a way to do this and if apple actually cared about the environment the way that they posture that they do then they would solve it like let's let's be real here their r&D budget has enough room in it. If they were legitimately motivated to deal with this problem,

that they could find a solution. And it's one of those things where I realize I'm coming in here just kind of going, yeah, here's a problem. See you later. I don't have the perfect solution. But I also am not the one who should have to. I'm not the one who is manufacturing mountains of e-waste that do not need to be shredded.

I'm not the one saying, oh, I just care so huggy-muggy much about the environment that I make the greenest devices ever. That's you. That's you. You're the one doing that. It's Apple's hypocrisy that bothers me so much about them. I saw,

I saw a comment on, um, on a float plane exclusive recently that was Jonathan Horst reacting to something or other from Apple, uh, like their new announcement of something. And it was like, you know,

you've corrupted him. The longer he works there, the more he sounds like a, like a cynical, like non Mac person. I'll, I'll tell you something about jonathan horst so he was hired because he is analytical and maybe a little cynical um but still loves apple that was

exactly that was exactly who we were looking for for a role like that because we didn't want to be like every other apple channel where we just go oh please, please, just put it in my mouth. Nah, do it, do it, do it, do it. Right? Like we wanted to love Apple, but not in like a super submissive kind of way. We're not talking 50 Shades here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're talking like a healthy relationship. 50 Shades of Space Gray. Okay, that's pretty good.

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Oh, we got to do this. oh we got to do this um public backlash against microsoft for reducing gamers power bills okay okay this is a new segment we're calling what no it's not a new thing yeah yeah this is great okay i will talk you through this no no no don't i don't know give her to read it okay microsoft issued a recent press release announcing a new optional shutdown mode as an alternative to the previous sleep mode so sleep i think we're all pretty familiar with the concept right um the device goes into a very very very low power state but is still on effectively still juices flowing through the silicon okay um but the benefit is that it wakes up really fast like you need to play some call of duty now

so i mean it is nice yeah it's great sleep is good i love sleep yeah love who needs sleep yeah well you're never gonna get it who needs sleep tell me what's that for bare naked ladies anyway the point is, politicians and media figures decried the move as an attack on gaming. With one Fox News segment describing Microsoft's change to the Xbox's power settings as a conspiracy targeting children. This is...

This is despite only 20% of US gamers being under the age of 18. And despite that being a phenomenally L take. Representative Troy Nels? I don't know how to pronounce this. An elected official... Okay, I told the new writer not to editorialize, but this is really funny.

Representative Troy Nels, an elected official and adult man, tweeted, They want to take your guns? They want to take your gas stoves and now they want to take your xbox what's next i love that sorry that's a that's a good line that that editorialization gets a thumbs up fox likewise published an article subtitled oh my gosh woke brigade i wish this was fake but no i am actually on foxnews.com woke brigade is after video games so is this how they branded it because i don't understand having the option to shut down being a bad thing like i genuinely being as open to other ideas as possible alternative ideas yes go ahead i don't get it it's just an option to shut down it's not mandatory right it's

an option you can still sleep it right am i missing something is anything actually changing they just have another button right they have one more button did anything else change they are automatically applying the new mode but you can go back to the old mode oh so it goes into so so shutdown mode takes about 15 seconds to turn on so right now yes if i press the button on my controller and i say like xbox turn off in the past it would have gone to sleep and now it shuts down yes if i say xbox go to sleep does it go to sleep uh well yeah you just change it to go to sleep mode but i have to go into a menu that does yeah which you're a slack jawed drooling gamer so you probably can't handle i i don't get it i don't get it i don't i don't understand it's an option i wish this was fake um

i don't get it rick devos a political commentator and owner of the orlando magic said just another small marker on the shoot we are zooming down where every functionality experience and general service level degradation is celebrated as a great and glorious victory for the planet slash justice etc i don't think it's a great and glorious victory i think it's an option would they would do uh do you think they would have gotten less flame if they didn't make it the new default? No, I don't know. Hard to say. Hard to say.

This is great. Alongside Fox's article, which is apparently playing media in the background. Thank you very much. I will navigate away from that site now. Fox included helpful, a boomer's guide to what an Xbox is, imagery. guide to what an xbox is imagery um a microsoft xbox controller is seen at the electronic entertainment expo or e3 in los angeles june 17th 2015 xbox has remained one of the chief major video game console companies alongside playstation and nintendo um actually it would be um xbox microsoft has remained one of the chief uh game console companies alongside Sony and Nintendo, but good try.

I mean, I'm being pedantic, but like, frankly, you're asking for it. Master Chief, the protagonist of the Halo series in the Xbox Series X I enjoyed Halo from time to time. The Halo series is one of the main intellectual properties associated with the Xbox brand, if not its flagship. Cool. one of the main intellectual properties associated with the xbox brand if not its flagship cool so our our writer who i told not to editorialize too much um called these figure one and two local boomer explains what an xbox is okay again i think i think i do i i've been i've talked against a lot of the editorialization i think again this one's actually probably pretty fair if you have to explain to someone what an xbox is you're gonna sound like

a boomer this is great um so the the shutdown or sleep options have always been there all they did was change the default one and the idea is that it's it's only okay so here it's it's not a lot of power when it's sleeping i think it works out to it works out to, it's like one and a half. When is it going to do the default though? You press the button? Yeah. Is that the only case? Because I feel like if you voice control and you tell it to sleep, it's going to sleep.

And if you voice control and you tell it to shut off, it's going to shut off. I don't Xbox. Neither of us Xbox. Yeah. Neither of us know. Yeah, let us know. I at least know what it is. Master Chief. Xbox.box no it's halo intellectual properties um anywho it's it's not a lot of power it's i think

it's like a watt and a half or something like it's a very it's a very small amount but on average microsoft expects this to save gamers about a dollar a month on their power bill. And when you factor in that there are literally millions of these machines sitting idle, it's actually a substantial savings. there were like rolling blackouts like in large regions of the country because of like a power crisis um that any sort of effort to save power would be would be welcomed uh and you would think that um if a concern would be the you know strain on the grid of things like electric car charging and that being a good reason to um you know keep using fossil fuels for to power vehicles um you you would think that if that's a legitimate concern for you, that any effort to save power would be welcome. But I just, I don't know. So apparently they're mad because of how it was worded.

Carbon aware? Yeah. It was advertised as like a carbon aware update. But imagine getting hung up on like words. Imagine that like. Yeah, I don't get it. I still don't get it. Just because like it's an option and you can change it.

Apparently, they're also upset about the whole slippery slope thing. But again, it's an option and you can change it. I have like the exact opposite anger with the switch. I hate that the switch cannot be turned off yeah it's so annoying this is a battery powered device i want it to work the next time i pick it up the next time i pick it up might not be for like a week i don't want it to go to sleep i want it to shut down it doesn't take that long to turn on just like come on you know what takes a long time with the switch initial charging before you can use it yeah if it's dead it's gonna stay dead for like a really

long time before it allow you to turn it on that's super annoying i want it to shut down that's not because of power consumption reasons that's because i want it to work the next time i pick it up that actually annoys me a lot this is very confusing to me you can't voice control an xbox series is that what the new one's called just series yeah it's really stupid microsoft's naming scheme for xbox is actually the worst thing you can definitely power off the switch yeah but you have to like hold press the power button for a while and then navigate to it just pressing the button doesn't power it off and i don't think you can change a setting to make that happen maybe you can i don't know it's just annoying

you mad bro i just don't get it i'm more confused than mad i'm far more confused than mad i don't think i'm mad at all i think looking at it from the outside it's just funny like seeing them talk about like this is the halo and stuff is just entertaining um but i i don't get why you'd be upset because it is so easy to change back i can totally understand like hey okay every day you come home from work you play an hour of xbox or something and you've only got your fixed amount of time because that's when like the kids come home or something and now you have to do whatever and you don't want to wait that extra amount of time you want to turn on you want to work okay sure just have it go to sleep every time who cares it costs you a dollar a month okay really i mean i'm mostly just kind of

riling you up right now so the the problem is just in the way that it was messaged as being green and eco-friendly and carbon conscious. I still don't get why they care. And all that kind of, well, because for a certain group of people, the burning of fossil fuels and the emissions that we put into the environment are a non-issue and a fabrication that are scaremongering. I saw a really interesting clip of someone asking Greta Thunberg,

Thunberg, Thunberg, I can't remember. The point is, you know, asking her a really uncomfortable question, which was, it was something along the lines of, it's unseasonably warm here in Davos, so where's your climate crisis now and it's like are you actually i can't and she laughed and they're like yeah she had no response no her she had a response her response was you're a flipping idiot um and you are undeserving of actual words that that was the response you just didn't understand it because you're a flipping

idiot my thing is if if you believe all that just why do you care like why do you it's just an xbox like yeah but like now it takes 15 seconds to turn on like if if you don't if i change that one setting let's let's and realistically this story can you figure out how to change that setting yeah no but that you can but damn oh gotcha uh if we flip this around and microsoft is like you know what let's pump it we're all tired of boot times right boot times suck we're changing the default behavior from sleep i understand that's not what it is we're changing the default or sorry we're changing the default behavior from turning off to sleep yeah because you know what it's worth it megawatts you spend the extra buck screw the power grid nobody cares screw them all sleep is great more power no boot times i don't care because i could still change the setting right yes why does it matter i don't change the setting

anytime you want i'm gonna be like that's weird and then change the setting if i want it to shut off which if i own an xbox i would want it to shut off because i'm probably not gonna use it that often but i mean i do own an xbox wow i forgot i don't use it that often i'm happy it's off but if i used it every day and there has been times like i played halo i played a ton of halo 2 if i was playing halo 2 as much as i did back then maybe i'd want it to sleep i was a kid at that time maybe my dad wants it to turn off i don't know but like it's an option i don't care what the company thinks why would i care what the company thinks well what if they take away your sleep later slippery slope then they're jerks

well what if they take away your sleep later slippery slope then they're jerks and then you can buy a playstation yeah like honestly the consumer chooses at the end of the day but then again the consumer chooses unwisely a lot all the time microtransactions let's talk about that i don't want to talk about microtransactions this is really great though dark 24 on one float plane every time a user saves power on xbox i have to leave on another light to combat the saving now what i can't plug in any more lights i'm out of lights now i'm dark 24 and i don't have any lights i'm gonna be late 24 light bright i yeah i just don't because it's entirely in your control i just don't understand why people care and this feels like it's the outrage it feels like they didn't have anything to care about that day yes i'm agreeing with you so they so they just threw it this because

there's nothing else to throw at which is just like that's whatever i just i think you will be a happier and more fulfilled person if you care about things that matter. And I'm not saying that the things that matter you have to agree with me on. Maybe we're at odds. As long as you think it matters, it's fine. I had the power consumption numbers wrong. Series consumes 11 to 13 watts, according to the Cattelier in Twitch chat,

in standby mode, and 0.5 watts in off mode. So it's like 10 watts. It's like something. Yeah, so about a buck a month, apparently. right let's talk about your butt uh okay yeah how's it going it's canadian it's canada's it's canada's butt triple a canadian beef yeah uh ham okay so more specifically linus has had uh one of ludwig's bidets oh yes i think they have a name right yeah ludwig's white plus i have white plus i have the swipe plus in my bathroom plus going yeah it took me a while to get it installed because north american bathrooms

don't have a lot of power in them that's true um you'll usually get one but what is it efi grounded outlet or whatever it is like by the sink for your your shaver or uh charging your toothbrush or whatever and not much else so you won't typically have an outlet anywhere near floor level or near the toilet uh because you know water and bathrooms are totally a thing and so wow the seo for this is kind of rough i googled swipe plus and it was like far down yeah huh luke's laptop's not working anymore that's interesting well it's not the first one it's not the second one not the third not the fourth not the fifth not the sixth it's the seventh anywho um check your hdmi cord so i had to get a power outlet put into my bathroom so that took a little while but But now that I've got it, this is not my first experience with a bidet.

Yeah. My first time using one was when we went to Japan. And basically, I think I've told this story before, but as we were driving to somewhere far from the airport, I had to use a rest stop bathroom and i was blown away by the quality and cleanliness of it totally was on the side of the road and it was probably the nicest bathroom i had ever been in in my life including like like washrooms at you know multi-million dollar hotels in vegas and stuff like that like

it was just wow this is a really nice bathroom like i can't it doesn't smell like rest stop bathroom at all yeah there's a there's a unique scent to that yeah it's it's amazing um and i i you know i have to i have to confess like i was i was kind of sitting there going like, man, imagine sitting at a business meeting. Because if there's a Japanese stereotype, it would be that culturally there's a lot of focus on business. Sure. Not everyone, obviously, but I think it's pretty fair to say that um you know japanese business has definitely been a core part of their culture for a very long time and the first thing i thought was man if i was sitting at the boardroom table with some you know filthy foreigner who i knew had a stanky undercarriage, would I feel like I had the upper hand?

Yes, sir. I can't help it. I'm gonna own this guy and his business deal because his butt isn't washed properly. He can't even clean himself. Like an animal. Disgusting.

That's funny. Now, with that said, you know, came back to North America where bidets are not common. And you were a stanky butt. And I was a stanky, disgusting foreigner. Yeah. You know, using this, like, what? Like, toilet paper. I'm sitting here going, like, yeah, why do we do this?

We literally manufacture this so that we can flush it down the toilet. It's like the best example of manufactured waste. Yeah. It's, it's like, it's like running on it. It's like running on it. It's like, imagine your whole job is to produce toilet paper. You spent your whole life running on a treadmill, producing absolutely nothing of value. Like, great. Right? It's emblematic of just the pointlessness of everything.

Toilet paper production. So, yeah, I came back and I was like, okay, I guess I'll use toilet paper now. But I've always been kind of curious about it. Or not curious about it. I've always been kind of interested in upping my game. And so when Yvonne and I rented the house, I like hey do you want to put in like fancy toilets and she's like i don't really care i'm like okay i kind of kind of over it that was the effort yeah i was about it because i like i've been to fancy toilet stores at like um uh aberdeen mall and stuff like that we haven't had a lot of options in north america for a long time oh you can get them.

Yeah. You just got to go to like the more Asian style shopping centers and stuff. Yeah. So like at Aberdeen Mall, I remember stopping by this like fancy toilet store where like they start at like $1,500 and go into thousands, right? With all these like heating and pulsing features and all that. Anyway, when Ludwig's thing came along and I was sitting here going, we've had such success with the jerry rig everything knife on ltt store why don't we like carry more creator merch okay sure but obviously i'm not going to just carry

something without verifying that it's not crap and uh i can verify it is not crap oh cool um you know it's it's not the highest end option on the market. It's designed to... It's not priced that way either. No, it's not. It's designed to be retrofitted to your existing toilet. They have a non-heated, non, you know... So that's the swipe normal. Air drying.

Yeah, the regular swipe is pretty darn affordable and is just... That's 50 bucks. I didn't know that. But it's also just a nozzle that sprays cold water at your sphincter. That makes sense. Yeah, it's priced accordingly. Pucker up. Yeah, and then the Swipe Plus.

Thank you for that. And then the Swipe Plus has the heated seat and the lighting, you know, so the water doesn't look yellow and yucky. And like it has like a carbon filter in it so that, you know, it takes the toilet water from the from the dryer or the like the toilet smell from the dryer and doesn't just like pump it out into the room and all that kind of stuff um and yeah it's been it let me just say that um feeling clean well no i we don't have one here at work and i i did you know i thought we in the lower bathroom here

i didn't use it okay yeah there is one there from that amazon viewers choice clean butt dirty butt yeah i feel advantageous right now there you go there you go boy's a winner i i've had one for a while when there was that toilet paper scare with the pandemic. I had already been thinking about getting a bidet. And then I was just like, you know what? Let's just remove ourselves from this equation right now. And to be clear, you can still use a little bit of toilet paper. In fact, I'd recommend it just for like drying off.

We do. But you use a very, significantly lower so much less like where you need like a mitt to you know deal with some of the you don't need a mitt anymore yeah you don't need a mitt anymore it's you just need you just need some like drying based some extra drying and mine has like a fan thingy so you can get most of the way there yep yep but i mean you're sitting there on your phone anyway yeah might as Might as well turn on the drying fan. Yeah, so, like, if you spend the whole time, it's fine, but, yeah, whatever.

So we would still get toilet paper, but, like, other people are like, I need, like, all this amount to, like, make it through whatever amount of time because I got however many people. And for us, like, for the two of us to get through a roll is going to take like a long time yeah whereas before it was like gone right so i don't know that was it's been good and

when i i try coming for your toilet paper next oh geez uh when i traveled to uh france and then greece that was two weeks of not being able to use it and yeah i felt gross yeah i didn't like feel like oh i'm like significantly cleaner or anything after we got it it just felt kind of neutral yeah but then not having it i'm like yeah no i i get it yeah like i i can go both ways at this point we only have one on the the one toilet i'm gonna get around to putting like regular swipes on the other ones because i'm not gonna to get power plugs put into every bathroom. Just like put... Whatever. But

I do prefer it. I will say the Swipe Plus with the warmed water is definitely a plus compared to the cold water. The warmed water is nice. It's a difference maker. Yeah.

The thing is in the guest bathrooms or whatever, people might not Corn water is nice. It's a difference maker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The thing is in like the guest bathrooms or whatever, people might not even use it. Like I wouldn't want to drop a bunch. I wouldn't bother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I need to use the washroom real quick because I drank a lot of water before the show started.

So hopefully you can find something to talk about. Are you going to use the bidet toilet or not? Well, I will, but I'll be back fast enough that it won't have been that. Okay. So I guess I'm supposed to find a topic. You can do a merch message. I can do a merch message. Okay.

I'm going to steal one. Dan isn't even here, I think. Is Dan here? Nope. Nope. Nobody's here. I'm alone. So I'm going to find a merch message.

I want to find ones that I should actually answer. And that shouldn't be answered by Linus. So this might take a second. You're going to have to stick with me. I'll jump on this one. I haven't even fully read it yet, but I think I can answer it. Hi, Linus, Luke, and Dan. Or in this case, just Luke.

I'm an aspiring game developer. And I'm about to release my first indie game on Steam. That's super cool. Congrats. That's awesome. If you guys could create your dream game what kind of features or content would you choose? Linus isn't here but I know that oh what's the name of it? Ah there's a game that he likes a lot which is like no pixel art kind of top downy puzzle an rpg game final fantasy my brain went to rune world but that's not it that's definitely not old scape what is it called it's not old scape i don't remember the name maybe he'll answer when he comes back uh but it's a really cool guy. CrossCode. Thank you, Dark24.

Dark24 found enough light bulbs. It's CrossCode. So he kind of wanted to make a game for a long time and then played CrossCode and was basically like, this is what I wanted to make. So there you go. There's a good example of his. I've always

been interested in making games. I've had a lot of different ideas over the years uh something that i've wanted to do for quite a while now and actually a couple months ago i downloaded um unreal engine because i wanted to start messing around with it and i was messing around with some things and then i was like yeah this is too much work and kind of stopped and maybe i'll pick it up again one day but i've always wanted to make a a like story-based firefighting game i thought really i thought it'd be really fun firefighter simulator i've never seen someone do that there might be good reason no that's i can't think of it firefighter career mode yeah heck yeah i think it'd be really interesting. Firefighter career mode? Yeah, heck yeah.

I think it could be kind of sweet. I think there's a lot of dynamic situations you could put the player in. I think there's a lot of choice and the world reacts to it type of things that could happen that way. I think that could be pretty sweet. The question was...

Why is everybody talking about my favorite games? The question was, if you could create your own dream game what features of content would you choose and i brought up crosscode oh okay yeah um yeah firewatch i thought firewatch was i think that's a completely different thing yeah a story based uh yeah it's like a story based about living in a forest yeah i don't think it's a you're not a firefighter though no no yeah yeah wasn't that you might deal with fire but you're not a firefighter it's a different thing was it was there a game or was there a book for the film adaptation hold on a second i don't even know uh anywho, cool Yeah, there was a film adaptation apparently Oh, no, it's coming

Okay, well, anywho Film adaptation of what? Firewatch Oh, really? Yeah That kind of makes sense to be honest Go figure Yeah

CNET Want to talk about CNET? You want to talk about CNET? Yeah, let's do it Let's talk about CNET Do you want to do this one it i have no idea they were doing this yeah i'll jump on it cnet issues mass corrections for ai written articles why did they do this cnet has put a hold on their use of ai to write articles after publishing over 70

ai generated articles primarily on finance related topics uh an additional thing just in case you don't know finance is one of the highest CPMs you can have, also known as those are a lot of the articles they're going to make a lot of money on. The first articles were published in November of last year under a CNET money staff byline. Only by clicking on that byline could a reader learn that the article was artificially generated. byline could a reader learn that the article was artificially generated despite the claim that these articles were thoroughly edited and fact-checked by a presumably human editor over half now carry corrections pretty almost every time we've talked about open ai i've brought up the confidently wrong thing

i can't believe they actually just did this but anyways uh mistakes included confusing basic finance terms and making basic financial math mistakes that's another thing dan and i were talking about this before the show people keep on trying to get chat gpt to do stuff it's not made to do and then they're like lol dumb and it's just like what stop making it do math well, dumb. And it's just like, what? Stop making it do math.

It's not made for that. What are you doing? Oh my goodness. Anyways, I'm not surprised that was a problem. There are tons of examples of it being bad at math because it's not made for that.

Some corrections stated that CNET replaced phrases that were not entirely original. Okay. Plagiarism.iarism so yeah that would be interesting to see the exact examples of that um the editor-in-chief stated cnet plans to continue using ai tools into the future of course there um and to be clear i'm not against that part you just need to vet it properly like the the quotes, thoroughly edited and fact-checked by an editor. Yeah, it should have just actually been. It sounds like it wasn't.

Maybe someone tried to make their job easier or something. I'm not sure. Meanwhile, BuzzFeed announced that they will be using AI to create entertainment content, but stressed that their newsroom will remain human-generated and stressed that they will not replace existing workforce with ai that's the right way to do it online publisher medium has announced ai generated content will be allowed if clearly disclosed while many publications and writers that use medium as a platform have already banned ai authored works there have already been cases of ai enabled theft rephrasing and republication of copyrighted work

lots of it yeah just so you know a technique that could be used to evade traditional anti-plagiarism tools as one of the problems sorry go for it i was gonna say as i'm going through my google news feed i will often read an article on a site that i wouldn't have otherwise visited because it's just in my Google News feed, where I go, okay, this was very clearly three articles basically mashed together because it's super redundant in a way that no decent human writer could ever, I'd just navigate away immediately as soon as I figure out that it was AI generated, but it's a lot of them. And so something I want to make clear here is I am very interested in the idea of chat GPT regurgitating basically word for word something that someone else has written.

I'm looking for examples of that. If you find examples of that, somehow get them to me. Don't email floatplane support, by the way. I'm not aware of this that keeps happening um okay luke is not floatplane support no that's joe and joe's very nice about it but it takes up joe's time and there are lots of other things that joe could do like supporting customers yep yeah so like joe's job yeah which is cool yeah um what was i gonna say oh yeah so what i'm what i'm not saying here is that the plagiarism plagiarized content got spat out by chat gpt naturally oh what might happen is they fed it stuff right if you feed chat gpt things it's

gonna take from it because it thinks that you want it thinks you gave it to it yeah but actually someone else yeah so like that could be happening or it could just be doing that on its own i don't know which one it is i just don't think we should automatically pin chat gpt for this if that's what they're using i don't they don't even they don't even say that they might be using something else it's probably chat gpt but we don't actually know that would be a pretty good time to be like an anti-ai like uh like detection company oh yeah there's some spinning up yeah i bet there are and they're probably going to get some fairly lucrative contracts from like schools government agencies lots of stuff like that yeah i could totally see it man new investment opportunity let's go

um oh i thought he was investing hacking the main frame rage investing into these companies um but yeah anyways consequently there is a massive surge in demand for ai text detection as you were just mentioning especially among educators as i just mentioned um someone in the chat before the show was actually i don't remember your name i'm sorry someone in the chat before the show was talking about how they're they they teach eighth grade um uh u.s history and they were talking about how they've warned other teachers at their school and they're going to be teaching the kids in that class about chat gpt because

they see it as a valuable research tool because i was like why how did okay so you teach history how did teaching them about chat gpt possibly come up there and they made an interesting argument yeah i know there we go yeah it's yeah no um they made an interesting argument of the why i'm teaching them how to research and i'm not teaching them to to just trust it immediately but it's it's a it's a step right so they can ask it questions they can off board from that into more specific searches they can do whatever i'm like oh my goodness that actually does make sense it's just very cool but they had to warn the other teachers right yeah because they're going to teach them that in that subject because it's super powerful tool in that subject especially because it's history so it

doesn't matter that's not trained on recent stuff but other classes might not be super stoked about it it's interesting right very interesting uh coming back to what you had said about you know being um like adamant that chat gpt should be a paid tool because when things are free they inevitably turn to garbage um i read a really good article um i found it on pluralistic.net here. It's from Corey Doctorow. Anyway, I read it somewhere else, not here, but you should read it. It basically did a way better job of explaining

that thing that you and I are always talking about, but never do a perfect job of explaining. You know how I'll refer to like okay in one of our pitches to creators for floatplane early on premium we would basically say we are not the silicon valley model or like we're not uh our our benefit is is that we uh take a sustainable approach to building this platform rather than taking VC funding, which will inevitably become a problem at some point. I was never able to properly explain why that will inevitably become a problem.

And so this article is called TikToks and shitification. Oops, I missed my right button. Well, all right. Shitification. All right. Chittification. And basically talks about that cycle and how any new platform that is VC-backed starts out by pleasing its users until it grows a big user base, then moves on to pleasing its partners, which helps it grow its revenues,

then moves on to pleasing itself, which helps it enrich itself. And so you know how I've talked a lot about how Amazon used to be great for shopping. My particular favorite feature was people who looked at this item usually bought these. Well, that feature no longer exists because, as this article points out amazon has reached their end game where it is all about generating value for themselves for their shareholders where there is no benefit to having organic search results there's no benefit to having good pricing everybody's already locked into amazon uh so they they point out that out of the first five pages of results for CatBed, 50% of the results are sponsored. Because effectively, buying placement is the only way to get exposure on Amazon now because they moved past pleasing the customers, which is when we had features like that. Now they've moved past pleasing their partners.

Bad thing to do. Yeah, exactly. Happy partner, happy life right uh they've moved past pleasing their partners so they just essentially have them all bidding on each other bidding against each other because that's the only way they can survive which means the pricing sucks because everybody has to absorb these exorbitant fees to participate on the platform um and they're just focused on money money money, money, money, money, money, money. And anyway, so it's talking about how TikTok is starting to enter its second stage of notification.

It's a really good article, guys. I'll link it in the chat. Go check it out. But it basically talks about how they have a button to boost creators, giving them a ton of views. And it's the equivalent of the carny allowing one user to win the big teddy bear. So they walk around at the fair all day. So people think that it's possible to win the teddy bear, but then they have a button

that makes it so the ball will pop out for everyone else. So they can just collect your money. Um, yeah, really, really, really good article. So I'll, I'll drop that in the, in the chats while we move on. I forget what you were talking about, but good job. Discussion question. the in the chats while we move on i forget what you were talking about but good job discussion question what is it okay to use ai uh what will the impact of buzzfeed's decision be uh what are the pros and cons of anyone being hypothetically able to compete with buzzfeed style of content using ai i mean we, we're going to see. I'm not even going to try and speculate how this is going to play out, but it's going

to be interesting. That's for sure. Those are extremely difficult questions that I think could be discussed for many days. And I think there will genuinely be entire books based around individual questions that were in that whole line of questioning. A Prime in float plane chat says, Amazon does this. Customers who viewed items in your browsing history

also viewed, but that's not the one I'm talking about. Didn't buy it. There used to be one that was customers who viewed this item ultimately purchased these. So you could kind of rely on crowdsourcing the research. Now, that probably created sometimes undue momentum

for certain SKUs and might have made bad products or products that had been replaced by better ones stickier than they should have been. But man, every time I used it, I like got a pretty good one. Yeah. If I didn't really care about getting exactly the right thing. Far enough, yeah.

I wanted something that was 95%. It was the best. I don't buy stuff off Amazon, but I do use Amazon. And I'll use Amazon sometimes for the frequently bought together thing because it's a nice way to find adapters and converters and stuff. I find you can find like the right thing to make that thing work along with the rest of the stuff that you might have because it will like link it.

And usually if it said frequently bought together, you know, they will actually work together, which is kind of nice. Yeah. But yeah, then I go find it somewhere else and buy it there because i don't like amazon which is fair yeah but then you might like them if they were still consumer first yeah most of my issues with them are about how they treat the people that work for them at low levels you mean the contractors that work for other companies that are not Amazon's problem? Yeah, basically. And what was I going to say? How they tend to just crush small businesses and stuff.

I don't think they are good. Right. So you'll really enjoy this article because talking about how crushing small businesses by out-competing them and then clawing it all back after is like the whole thing yeah yep um all right what what else is there for us to talk about here is there topics left or are you just merch messaging a wave of faulty gpus possibly caused by crypto miners offloading improperly stored equipment so that happened thank you for preparing that uh topic but i don't know that i'm going to talk about it much more than that yeah apparently the dyes are cracking yeah which is bad yep uh oh samsung ignores widespread ssd failures until they get news coverage uh here's some more news coverage samsung don't do that

yeah um bad yeah like drives that had been barely used were reporting like massive hits to their estimated durability remaining and samsung was like and then it went kind of viral. And they were like, oh, okay. And you are made. Okay. It's not clear still what exactly the problem is. I think Samsung has some lessons to learn about transparency.

If they just said what it was, then we would be telling you guys, hey, here's what it is. Here's why you shouldn't worry about it too much. Here's how they're going to fix it. But instead they're just leaving it a mystery and you don't want mystery around a storage product yeah so all i can say now is don't buy a 990 pro so that's not better samsung you need to do better yeah i don't have anything else to add. That's legit. Google dropped support for OnHub.

This sucks. OnHub routers, which were first released in late 2015, so not that long ago, will still operate as Wi-Fi routers, but will no longer receive firmware updates, and it is no longer possible to control the router remotely, nor to access and change settings. We were pretty against cloud control routers, right?

I don't remember. I hope so. Was that Meraki or whatever? Oh, oh, I know what you're talking about. No, no, it wasn't Meraki. It was like a budget Cisco product. You're talking about the one that you inherited from me that you cannot change the password on, right?

Oh, still have that. Crap. It was someone's- That was an ap it was someone's like consumer brand was it ruckuses i don't remember hold on i don't know it required some kind of account and then i thought it was meraki was it are you sure it's not it might i mean i don't know anyway the point is that it's a white box i plug it in i know the password yeah i can't believe you still use that thing well i don't now because my apartment's small but i still have it nice uh apparently meraki is the budget cisco product okay yeah so somehow he ended up with a router that had licensing that allowed us to

change everything and then he didn't want to pay for licensing i get it and now nothing can be changed but it does still work so i guess this is basically that it's still set to his old password because he was using it for a while and before it ran out of its licensing, I don't know who did this, probably you, but someone was wise enough to set it into AP mode. That was probably me. So that its value would be extended, because if you can't control it at all, you're not going to want it to function as a router.

So it's an AP mode with a fixed password that you can't change, which is like a security problem for sure. But it technically works. I mean, theoretically, it's been in a box for a couple of years. There is no plan to transition OnHub to any other means of control. This sucks. The Google support page literally suggests buying a new router.

Really? Yeah. Oh, man. new router really yeah oh man man what google hardware will you trust at this point just their phones i don't even know if i trust those to be just eol'd you think they're gonna eol pixels i don't know maybe who knows i mean they eol'd the nexus line they just ax everything see you later yeah yeah i know what we do pixel now it's totally different i mean remember okay tablets I don't know. Maybe. Who knows? I mean, they EOL'd the Nexus line. They just ax everything. See you later. Yeah. Yeah, I know what we do Pixel now. It's totally different.

I mean, remember, okay, tablets. They used to have tablets. What happened to the Nexus 7? Where's that? Yeah, fair enough. Where's that at? Yeah, Google Sketch, man. Yeah, that's what I thought.

You might buy a product and then just not have it anymore. Was Google the one that had that weird camera that was supposed to like automatically record stuff? Hold on. That's ringing a bell. AI camera, auto record. Is that, is that a thing?

Is that a thing that happened? Yeah. Google clips. Look at this stupid thing. Did they ever actually release this thing? AI camera. Yeah yeah here it is hey detour go away yeah and it's supposed to like that they all the promotional crap for this was just oh man it was so stupid it was like like videos of like dogs and stuff or whatever like

why why why would that be there why would you ever have a camera anywhere unless you intend to do something with it man so dumb like it's just obviously stupid the second they unveiled it how did this make it past how did this make it past some idiot pitching it and getting like fired like i I just don't, I don't get it. You know, this, this reminded me of a Kickstarter project. So I will still look at like Kickstarter every once in a blue moon. Cause I find it interesting, but ever getting, uh, uh, you know, hammered by a certain project, I, I don't back anything anymore, but what I'll do is I'll try to find the company page.

Hopefully they have a company page instead of just a Kickstarter page. And I'll bookmark that. And I put it in a little folder. And every like, I don't know, six months, I'll just check in on it, see how it's going. Literally zero things in that folder have launched. Zero.

So happy I didn't back anything. And that reminded me because one thing that I found was like, it's a little, and I know, in that folder have launched. Zero. Really? So happy I didn't back anything. And that reminded me because one thing that I found was like, it's a little, and I know, it's a little bird feeder, but it's an outdoor bird feeder and it has a camera in it. You know, that's just called

an outdoor bird feeder, right? Like an outdoor bird feeder is just actually, no, it's just called a bird feeder. Fair enough. Generally speaking, they go outdoors. There's bird feeders for indoors you're actually a crazy bird man yes you know this right yeah see dan agrees yeah i get it i just that's why i said i know before i started this fine uh but there's this there

is this thing uh that it's so it's a bird feeder for outdoors yes so it's a bird feeder carry on and it has a basically a webcam built into it yeah does it charge by solar power because if it doesn't you're never going to charge that i think it does i don't remember i mean it better it's been like years since i bookmarked it sure um but it it detects when a bird's in front of it and it'll record a little video for you wow well that'll improve your quality of life doesn't seem that complicated yeah it's been years they haven't launched it i don't know at this point there's other ones on the market i didn't buy those because i was just like i don't know i'm kind of over the idea to be honest but just out of interest i'm still like tracking it i just check in every once in a while

to see how it's going and yeah it hasn't launched yet no no shipments yet would you like to hear something interesting though no don't tell no no i hope this isn't what i think it is regarding the coal bar bar the hammer crowbar combo we have apparently heard back from them and nick has a conversation scheduled no next week no he's doing this only to hurt me i i hope like i hope i hope people in the audience understand that that is the only reason there is no other reason there's no business he knows it's not a good business decision he 100 knows it's not a good business decision he there's no way he thinks it's actually like worth the content that's going to come out of it he just knows it will hurt me that is the only goal if this is this is This is deep trolling.

This is trolling on another level that I don't know if you guys actually understand. I disagree. I think he thinks it's a great product. No, he doesn't. I'd use it. Look at his face. Look at his face. You know he doesn't.

That's literally the Linus troll face. There's a reaction on Floatplane and I think on Twitch that is literally that face. on Floatplane and I think on Twitch that is literally that face. It's just me smiling. It's not a bad idea, Luke. Kyle, come on! Just because I'm smiling doesn't mean I'm trolling. Nice! Kyle's on board!

Let's go! How could you do this to me, Kyle? Kyle! Okay, if Kyle has a significant amount of involvement with the design process, then maybe it'll actually be good. Well, no, Kyle and his team. You know we have four people on the tool engineering team now, right?

We are working on stuff. I know that because I read through the audit that Dan did for me on everyone who's changed their passwords in the company. So there's going to be a message sent out to the managers and executives at Linus Media Group about how that wasn't bleeping done. I see. So we're going to get a one week extension to next week. And if it's not done by next week,

we're going to waste a lot of time to next week. And if it's not done by next week, we're going to waste a lot of time and it's going to be awesome because Dan or I are going to have to sit down with every single person that didn't update their passwords, which is basically freaking everybody. You know, I'm just going to be sitting down with like Vance, right?

Which is going to be a massive waste of time. The reason why I thought about it, Kyle, was because your team did it. I did know that and I appreciate it. And that's why i thought about it kyle was because your team did it i did know that and i appreciate it and that's why i thought about it kyle's team did it and logistics did it to be fair logistics had like four passwords that they had to update i have a lot of passwords yeah and it can be this is the thing and this is the reason why i spent the messages specifically to leaders of teams and technically all the executives twice. Because you guys need to do your jobs and delegate.

Get it done. Okay. I know you have a lot of passwords. I do. A Prime says I did it. Good. Good job. See, look, this is why you need a crowbar i did my tune it's crowbar uh nope he doesn't need a crowbar um never mind the coal bar collab is canceled uh here's another good topic for us amd calls out amd for bad value gpus this is funny but i respect it amd's own blog recently published a post titled never a better time to upgrade with radion graphics

within it one graphic compared amd's gpus on value for the money showing fps per dollar their latest flagship gpus come in at less than half of the FPS per dollar of AMD's best value GPU, the RX 6400. For reasons unknown, the graphic is arranged with the worst value GPUs at the top and the best at the bottom. Total

FPS is featured more prominently with big red bars, so I guess they are arranged in order of more FPS. Yeah, it's pretty straightforward under that graphic there's an explanation in small type of how these results were achieved all cards were tested at max settings except the rx 6400 which was tested at medium settings thereby making all the more expensive gpus look even worse in terms of value, because this number is basically a big pile of s***. Okay, I respected a lot less now.

I didn't know that part. Discussion question. Should AMD's marketing department just ritually disembowel themselves now, or would Poison be cleaner? Okay, I respected it at first because I thought they were like not shying away from things that people in the industry generally know which is like the maximum tier card is not going to be the best price performance but sure you're going to get the best fps and stuff like i thought they were doing a decent educational thing and then i heard about how they did it yeah and uh now may maybe poison yeah the 6400 uh being at medium settings, like, I get it.

You don't want to show that it gets, like... No FPS? 22 FPS. Yeah. But also, no, you don't get to do that. That's not how benchmarking works. Yeah, that's, like, super not okay. Yeah.

Yeah, that's ridiculous. That's pretty cool. Oh! Wow! We have an LTX 2023 update! Oh, a cool one. Let's go. For those of you who made it this deep into the show,

thank you. Oh, nice. LTX 2023 ticket sales will go live on Monday, February the 6th at 9 a.m. Pacific time. You must create an account on the store in order to complete your checkout. You can do so in advance by visiting tickets.ltxexpo.com

Tickets are first come, first served, and they will not be held. So make that account now. Or when someone stands over you with a crowbar. I don't need a crowbar. They will go to whoever completes the checkout the fastest

uh we do not have any kind of like verified actual gamer thing which would have been cool but i was told that the floatplane team is quote busy end quote yeah the vips from the cancelled 2020 and the whale vips from oh Oh, Whaleland VIPs from 2022 have apparently been sent an email with instructions on how they can access tickets in advance for a pre-sale event as promised. Oh, cool. So we're making sure that we're taking care of the folks

who won the ticket sales lottery before but didn't ultimately get to go to something. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's exciting. Man, I'm excited. LTX is going to be a blast. get to go to something that's that's pretty good that's pretty good yeah that's exciting man i'm i'm excited ltx is gonna be a blast we have like so much the last one was so sweet yeah like that it was it was cool you know up until the last one but the last one was a totally different level the last one made all the previous ones feel like cringe really kind of yeah yeah agreed and they were fine for

what we were at the time but they were fine but i didn't really want to invite anyone to them you know what i mean like randoms yeah yeah uh like they were for they were for i i'm always hesitant about the word fan because you know i see a lot of what we do is a meetup not fandom but like viewership i i i. I want to earn it. I don't want fanatical, you know, following or whatever. Agreed. The first ones were fan meetups. You know, that's what they were.

And that's fine. That has a place. And the last one was like an expo that was actually super sick. I invited, I didn't invite any of my friends to any of the previous ones. Yeah. I invented some, I invited some of my friends to that last one. And invented some friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sometimes I struggle. Okay, come on. It's okay. Me too. You were a figment of my imagination all along. It's Fight Club. You're Brad Pitt. You've been soloing the Wendt.

You never actually brought another person onto the Wendt show? Yeah. You've been soloing it the whole time You never actually brought another person onto the WAN show. You've been soloing it the whole time. I live in your walls. Where's that voice come from? But yeah, the last one was great. So if this one is a continuation or an improvement, then it's going to be fantastic. I'm excited.

Well, we've got Sterf on it and Chase. I think it's going to be great. It's going to be great. Yeah. Yeah. Let's going to be great. Let's do some merch messages. Okay, if I can. I inhaled some water earlier.

Thanks for making me laugh. You're welcome. It was my pleasure. Okay, this one's from Austin. I really do enjoy your pain, though. That's why I work here. Thank you. This is from Austin. Luke Linusus in an earlier show you said sometimes uh as you scale up in a business you have to become less efficient can you give some examples of that oh sure i mean the yeah the easiest example of that

is i brought in luke to write scripts right so so So now we went from, okay, let's ignore Ed, who edited videos, and Yvonne, who did all the accounting and stuff. So let's go back to the original four-person team, but let's pretend it was only two. Let's pretend it was just me and Luke. If it's me, when I want to write a script, all I do is write the script, and that takes, let's say, four hours. Okay, now i brought in luke we have double the number of hours so cool we're gonna get two scripts every four hours but a script still takes four hours and when it's done now i have to review it which takes maybe 30 minutes so my time certainly got more yeah sometimes longer uh so my time certainly got more efficient, sometimes longer.

So my time certainly got more efficient, but overall, it took more hours to deliver a finished product. And you basically take that, multiply it times however many levels of management, add the game of telephone that exists for every different team and individual that's involved in providing feedback

on whatever it is and you go from you know a public communication from me back in the day being like something on reddit hit uh to six seven eight people are involved to make sure that i don't put my foot in my mouth about a warranty or something like that right there's a there's also like team coordination you can't all be running around with chickens like chickens with your head cut off so you start needing to have meetings and then okay you try to control that so you start building processes to make it so you don't have to have that meeting okay but that takes time and and now you have to train people because you're trying to bring on junior people but that takes more time and just every

added person every single one every additional person that you bring on reduces efficiency almost across the board by some amount it might be really small yeah but it's some amount and hopefully that added person adds more than the efficiency that they take away from the rest of the team. But that equation is always happening. That's why small teams are good. That's why small teams get a lot done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Because you have less reporting to deal with. You have less extra documentation. Yes, even on a small team, even a team of one, you should be making some amount of documentation, but you're going to be making more if you're on a big team. Absolutely. Yeah, it's just, it is what it is. And it's frustrating frustrating but there's nothing you can do about it it's just going to be that way yeah and like in theory you know luke's script that he spent four hours on would be absolutely perfect and i wouldn't need to review it because he did it as well as me but no offense

but i'm a much better writer than luke and the standards for the channel sorry uh the standards for the channel aren't going to change it has to be to my standard so i have to look at it and that's going to be a consistent problem if you're in a field that i will call artisan creative yeah yeah if you're if you're in a creative line of work because you're going to have a way that you like things as well and there's pretty much no way that the person that you hire is going to make things exactly in the way that you like them. Yeah. And also aside from preference, I am just a better writer than you. Yeah. You didn't hire me as a writer. It's true. I really didn't. I hired him to be a camera operator, which you're even worse at than writing. That works great.

Now in theory, right? You, you hire people who are better at things than you luke is a much better manager of development than i am i have no i have no idea where to even start but then the inefficiency goes the other way because now luke has to explain to me what the crap it is that he does in a weekly floatplane digest document that he creates, because otherwise I and the rest of the executives have no idea what each other are doing, and in a meeting where I'm able to provide any feedback and ask questions.

It's inefficient, but I don't see another way to do it. I think it's... It's inefficient, and it is efficient, because it's an efficient solution to a problem, but it's a problem that's created- Inefficiency. Yeah. This is great. Best line of the WAN show actually goes to A-prime, not to you.

Luke wrote a great fantasy of a resume. That's true. Your resume was- That's true. It was complete. Don't do this to me, the way i've caught people doing this this is not a suggestion but i definitely lied through my teeth on my resume yeah you sure i had i had never filmed you're not running for office anything that resume would have been really

good at us as a representative I had never filmed anything. I told you in the first interview, though, right? I think so. I'm pretty sure. And then you're like, okay, we'll just film this thing. And the camera that you gave me couldn't even zoom. So I was like, nice, easy mode. And then I kept kind of cheating because I got all my friends to comment bomb the video

really positively. I've told you this to comment bomb the video really positively. I've told you this part, too. Yeah, I know. It just makes me cringe every time. Let's go. Getting it done. Don't do that. Yeah.

Don't do that to me. I did it. So I'll be able to catch it. Yeah, it's like a classic never n***a bullshitter, right? Like it's, man, what did someone try to oh see i'm not okay i'm not gonna name names but there's a number of kind of prominent personalities um among i would say men in my peer group over the last i don't know five to ten years that have turned out to be total buttheads um and basically one after the other i've kind of gone uh-huh yeah and because there's this playbook right where they will they will they will start with

unassailable fact in in any given you know talk or any given video or lecture or whatever else it is. They will start with unassailable fact and perfect logical connections between their points and go, and in conclusion, a thing that isn't actually quite fact. And people who are not listening critically and analyzing what's being said will assume that because every linkage they've seen up until now was flawless the last one must just be something that they don't fully understand and as someone who didn't spend a lot of time uh or pay a lot of attention in that class but fundamentally understands um what they were trying to explain uh it basically um it basically seems to stem from an inability for

most people to follow along with like a philosophical argument um philosophy is basically math but for words so you you have to theoretically like if you're doing it well you have to prove your point go full qed but you use words instead of numbers um and so when done when done really well what you do is essentially create a bulletproof argument you you create proof for the point that you are trying to make. Now, obviously, many philosophical arguments cannot be fully proven. And so you create a lot of opening for bad philosophy. Oh, yes. But done well, it's supposed to be unassailable. It's supposed to be proven.

And so as someone who is at least familiar with that concept, I look at the way, I look at it and I go, they know what they're doing, right? Because I understand their craft well enough to recognize it done well. And then now that I know what they're doing, when I see it not done well, I go, oh, then they're probably doing that on purpose too. These are bad people. And it's been kind of hard for me to watch, to be perfectly honest with you. I don't blame you.

Next up. Okay, we're in the... Oh, God. We're in the same sort of vein on this. This is from Anonymous. On average, how many hours a week do you guys work? And how does it compare to the average hours of the rest of your staff?

Too many, and I hope more than. I have better balance these days, but the lines between work and not work for me are extraordinarily blurry. Theoretically, I take every Monday off, but I think you know for a fact that I do plenty of work on Mondays.

And it's often not even subtle. Like he's like filming at his house with a film crew. He's just not at work. He's at home filming with a film crew. Yeah, I mean, that doesn't, we try not to do that any more than we absolutely have to like i i am setting aside time like i'm scheduling time for things that yeah but you also try not to like stay after wansho and film videos yeah more than you absolutely

have to or push wansho back because of filming videos more than you absolutely have to but that happens every single week well okay but the point is that um ah yeah and so okay a lot of what i do is also i don't know if it's work or not but i like it never really turns off so like on a saturday i'm sitting checking analytics and reading comments on the video that released that day like i never i shouldn't say never but almost never like maybe one out of a hundred i don't check community sentiment when we release a video so i'm working every single day from that point of view but it's not like work work it's like i mean i was gonna say it's time i wouldn't have spent doing anything else anyway but that's probably because it's so ingrained in me that if I have a moment of downtime,

I should be looking at channel analytics and read comments. So I don't know. Am I addicted? Is it work? I'm not sure. Somewhere in between probably. I think you ask pretty much any like social media personality and they probably are wired pretty much the same way

because I don't think you'd survive otherwise. Yeah. I've had a lot of team expansion over the last little while. So there's just been a lot of stuff to do. And like, it's, it's fine. I'm not complaining about it. I don't even think I've mentioned it to Linus much. Nokia 1119.

Linus's work revolves around YouTube. So technically him recording in his house is still work. And that's not technically. It is. That just is work. Yeah. That's, that's funny point my point is that it's no different it's just at home no no that just is work that's not that's not technically anything

there's no gray area there um but yeah i don't know okay i know i do know some people on my staff work more than they should, though. I've had more than a few conversations telling people to stop crunching. Yeah. And I never told them to crunch in the first place. Yeah. They're just like passionate people that care a lot, which is cool. Yeah.

But, yeah. My favorite is yelling at people to fill out their time sheets properly. It's like, you actually cannot work for no pay. Mine's filled out right now. Yeah, you actually... I shouldn't have to fill one out. I still, I will die on that hill. That's ridiculous. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Makes no sense and is complete BS. I work way more than that many hours. So like... Hold on a second. Here. Hold on. What is he doing? Oh. No, I just i i thought i thought fucks um to give about it that i had in here but it's just

if i have to fill out a time sheet he should have to fill out a time sheet that's all i'm saying i do fill out a time sheet why i just delegate it Alright, fair enough. I'll take that. I'll take that. Wow. wow all right that's a that's a next level move you have much to learn still don't learn from linus you can't do that oh my goodness wow on. Okay. This one's from Brian. Linus, I didn't realize that you were a Star Wars Expanded Universe fan. It's typing in one number a day. It is ridiculous that we have to do it.

But the fact that he delegated it is crazy. I used to be salary and I had to fill in a time sheet. It literally... It doesn't make any sense. Okay. Yeah. Agreed. That part's also like

actually, it's actually wrong how we do it. I'm not allowed overtime. Why are we doing this? Just pay me a flat amount. But it's like, you bookmark it, you set an alarm. It takes less than 30 seconds. I still did it every day. I'm not, I'm not, I still don't think he

should do it. But the fact that it's delegated is crazy. Why don't you just fill it in the same for like the next six months and then if anything changes. What cause they're gonna see it ahead of time they'll know that you did that. What's wrong with that? It's not the day. Oh man. So look

the current system is designed to ensure that everyone gets paid fairly for their time. I don't think that's how salary works, like legitimately. I don't know how your stuff works. I know how like everyone who's hourly, I know how everyone hourly works. Yeah, yeah. Hourly should have to fill a timesheet for sure.

I don't know. I don't know what the deal is with that. Honestly, I haven't really looked it up, so I could be wrong. I have no idea. But I'm pretty sure salaries... We have an actual HR person now, so I'm pretty sure we've like looked it up so i could be wrong i have no idea but i'm pretty sure salaries we have an actual hr person now so i'm pretty sure we've like looked it up it's honestly it would take more time to have the discussion with them about it than it would be for me to fill out the sheet which is why i haven't done it yet so deal with it yeah it's just still ridiculous apparently they check

once a week to make sure that you are a keeping up and b not filling it out ahead yeah that's awesome yeah that's why you can't fill it out i knew that bit but like it it created enormous problems when people were filling them out ahead or when they were falling behind because then accounting has to waste a whole bunch of time having stupid conversations they don't have to have like hey no you actually weren't there that day can you please go fix that like no no no no no no they have better things to do with their lives than chase down people's inability to track their own schedules they actually have a lot to do. We actually have a very complicated accounting situation because of floodplain and creator warehouse and receiving

all of our, not all of our money, but a lot of our money for different things from foreign currencies. And like, it's a very complicated job. For an organization, our size, our accounting is ridiculous. Like we've gone to not small accounting firms and gone, hey, can we just offload this to you? And they've been like, no, for real. And it's like fair. Yeah, I don't even blame them.

Like the fact that we have yvonne to to to to help create systems and to build our accounting department and to basically learn from scratch how to uh how to how to cfo like a a very complicated company is a miracle someone at just said you guys just reminded me to fill up my time sheet. Nice. And I didn't even marry her for her math skills. Though it is why I started dating her. Is it? I don't think I knew that. Well, it was kind of how, it wasn't how we met, but it was how we like, you know, got close

was she was tutoring me in math. Okay, I didn't know that. So she like totally accidentally was spending a lot of time with me, even though she knew I had a girlfriend. So I always joke about how she stole me, which she hates. Like if you want to bother Yvonne at LTX,

ask her to tell the story of how she stole me. Don't warn her about it. Don't like, don't like blow her up right now. Just, just, just wait, wait until LTX show up at LTX.

Be like, Hey, can you tell me the story? Cause she won't watch WAN show. She won't see this. Okay. We can keep this our little secret. Tell me the story of how you

stole Linus. She will just lose it. I feel like you're being mean right now. It's hilarious. You're setting her up to not enjoy LTX though. No, no, she'll enjoy it. That's mean. She'll enjoy it. I'll enjoy it. However much she enjoys it less, I will enjoy it more. Oh my goodness.

That is not always worth it it'll be worth it trust me what you should do is not ask her that but just tell her that linus said that no that's not gonna be as much fun it'll be funnier the other way trust me okay moving on sorry i derailed that. Sorry, keep going. This one's from Brian Linus. I didn't realize you were a Star Wars Extended Universe, Expanded Universe. Yeah, you read this already, didn't you? Yeah, I tried to. Then I immediately pull this back.

It's my fault. I think you mean was a Star Wars Expanded Universe fan or Extended or whatever it is. Last week, you referenced Jaina and Zek. Do you have a favorite book slash character slash moment from the Expanded Universe? Well, none of it's canon, so that's cool. Instead, we have just like absolute dog crap for canon. I would honestly, if they put me in charge of Lucasfilm tomorrow, Um, I would, I would honestly, if they put me in charge of Lucasfilm tomorrow, the first thing I would do is I would go DC, uh, cinematic universe on the whole thing.

And I'd be like, okay, this, this, this, this, and this all garbage. We throw it all away. Now we're starting fresh. Like there is so much trash that makes absolutely no sense in the Star Wars canon now that you can't even build a, uh, you, you can't even build a universe around it that makes any sense anymore. And it's, it's junk and it should be gone. Um, as for my favorites, I mean, yeah, I was about that age when the Young Jedi Knight series came out that, that was, you know, pretty enjoyable for me. Like they weren't, it wasn't challenging challenging reading but i did love the stories love the characters um i'd say probably the the first

uh grand admiral thrawn as he started a vice admiral i don't know it doesn't really matter the point is yeah the the the first thrawn saga timothy zahn hopefully i'm pronouncing that right yeah it's on too too good to be writing like crappy throwaway star wars fiction yeah because i was gonna say most of my favorite books i'm just going through like a list right now are written by him um a lot of them are the thrawn ones yeah but yeah yeah thrawn trilogy heir to the empire dark force rising the last command so good um you can I think anyone can write a dumb character but not anyone can write a smart character something that I found interesting uh I shouldn't say that writing a dumb character well is also a very talent skill thing.

I dropped the GP. A very talent skill. Yeah. This is the guy that's better at writing scripts than I am. Well, writing, not speaking them. Actually, I'm better at speaking them than you two. That's true. Oh, sorry.

Sorry, I was spicy today. You speak them at the same time. Really not good at holding things. How many times have you dropped that? Was it like three or four right there? Ow. Are you happy? that did not hit you yeah we can pretend this one might i think it actually did and there's a monitor in front of them and it skimmed right over that's okay linus linus owns the monitor that's pretty pro um i should have put on his camera on your time sheet at at linus beat me as a comment it

did hit me in the head it's very soft though you can get one at ldt something that i found pretty interesting was i did the audiobooks but listening to the audiobooks for the prequel series prequel series yeah like for the prequel movies yeah oh there's audiobooks there's books for them yeah it makes sense and they're like way better right they probably explain a bunch of stuff yeah just like it gets hand waved away i was like way more interested in it you will find this plot coherent there was a bunch of scenes where they explained like what characters were thinking in the moment right um like the scene where uh palpatine there's a few different scenes in palpatine's like throne room thing his office whatever um there's one of them where and and i watched the film to check this part and it's in it

but it's so subtle no one's ever gonna pick it up he like moves his hand slightly and in the i don't know if this was like they added this afterwards so it wasn't actually planned for because it's so subtle but it's like he thought about pulling his lightsaber out and that's where it was hidden but he like decided not or it was in his chair or something i don't remember it's been it's been years since i did it but the audiobooks were actually like way more interesting got it there's a lot of like little subtle things going on which there's a lot of subtle stuff in the prequels because it's like a political series more than anything yeah um so there's a ton of subtle stuff that they add in um i didn't give the prequels enough credit when they came out and part of it

is their own fault because yeah jar jar binks is actually just just indefensibly terrible and annoying. If the Darth Jar Jar plot was real, it would be so much more interesting. The slapstick, you know, R2-D2 has a jetpack now. Just, like, utterly unnecessary cannon-breaking moments that just destroyed the immersion for me were still objectively awful. But the actual, like, political story behind it was so much more coherent than i mean anything before or since honestly yeah yep at least in the movies

fran yeah yeah and i loved how he was like um like an alien in the like like the racist empire and like talking about that experience and everything. Yeah, just super cool. Really good books. Okay, I've got one here from an anonymous. With new React channel, would you consider doing a proper reaction to the Verge's infamous PC build video

as a sort of retrospective? It's actually the video and its reception that started my own pc building journey probably not what if you did it to your video of building something here with him um well then i i mean i feel like okay again this comes back to my my whole thing where why are we making this video is the question that we ask right when we start every video project. Why are we, why are we bothering? What are we adding to the conversation? And for the original verge video,

I mean, there were multiple people internally that at the time were like, Hey, we should do a reaction to this. And I looked at it and went, no, I think everything that needs to be said has been said. What are we actually adding?

A million times to adding to the conversation? Nothing. Let's stay the course. Let's do too. Yep. Adding to the conversation, nothing. Let's stay the course. Let's do our own thing. And ultimately that's what we did. And by biding our time, I think we ultimately did the best response to that video, which was to bring Stefan onto our show and with him,

show you guys how to build a PC properly. I think that was, that was the, the me way to react to that. The me way. Yeah. Yeah. That's the reason i wouldn't do it because i don't think i'd be adding anything to the conversation makes sense okay this one's from zachary hey linus and luke and dan i love the new plushie i went to walmart today and saw an rgb power strip of all. What is the most egregious addition of RGB to a product you've ever seen?

I haven't seen it yet, but we're hoping that Ludwig will customize the Swipe Plus to add RGB to the bidet. And then you'll carry it? We're hoping that we'll get the RGB version. If not, I mean, the other one's good too, but I would like it to be RGB for gamers.

Does it have, like, If not, I mean, the other one's good too, but I would like it to be RGB for gamers. They should have like activity detection. Yeah. Are you going to have an RGB thing? I have a bidet. No, I know, but they... Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Does it have RGB in it though? I don't know.

I don't think so. As long as you can turn it off, I never really care. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. You call yourself a gamer. This one's from Brayden. Yeah yeah i'm like definitely not aesthetically having almost broken both of my wrists this morning by slipping and catching myself with my hands it made me curious if any of you have broken any bones

uh tell me the story is it a no it? It's a no. All right. I have not broken a bone, but I have fractured one. That's a break. Yeah. When I was... I'm sorry. I haven't broken my screen, but I have fractured it. Every time I say I broke it, and then I talk about it more and bring up that it was a fracture,

people are like, oh, you didn't break it. And I'm like like whatever it's just i just don't care it's a whatever degree whatever yeah i don't know it's they're all broken yeah that's stupid yeah whatever anyway um but when i was younger i i grew really fast i was basically this tall in like i think it was grade six and my bones were like real thin that makes sense i was taking some big old pills for it and all this other kind of stuff because i was like fragile and we were snowboarding and i crouched and then went to like sit back and put my hand back and everyone just heard her like yeah it didn't even hurt that bad but i was like that's probably

bad and we went down because like i was fine i could still snowboard so i just got up and snowboarded down which the guy was mad at me about um but i went to the like medical place we're at cyprus the mountain uh we went to the medical place and he put a thing on it and let me go and was like don't snowboard anymore and i immediately went back and kept snowboarding because that's obviously what i would do um and it was fine every time i would fall i would just you know not fall on that um and that was it it took a little while to recover and then i was fine i haven't broken anything since then you're an idiot sometimes it was fine yeah i know i know but you're an idiot sometimes because i can't i can't like i can't you probably would have done something similar no i wouldn't

have i could see it happening i well i wouldn't have checked to see if it was broken so i wouldn't have known there you go this is really funny um my sister the one that did the build uh is that better i don't think that's better she i think that's worse she broke her arm as a child at least mine was in a and when they did the x-ray they found i think it was two other breaks on the same arm that she just hadn't noticed i guess and just kept like playing or doing whatever it was she was doing and they just healed like like they like, what about the green stick fracture or whatever, like hairline fractures or whatever. Like, so the, the one that she went in and got x-rayed actually had other breaks in it that had already healed. Um, I do have a story about how I've never

broken a bone though. Cause I've fallen off of plenty of horses. I did martial arts for years. Um, I've done my fair share of of dangerous sports be it skiing snowboarding um trying to think if there's anything else i've done that's particularly dangerous um i don't know just stuff a lot of horseback riding like i've fallen off of horses at height i've been bucked and stuff like that um but one of the one of the keys is knowing how to fall properly uh if there's any if there's one reason that my kids, uh, do martial arts training, it is to learn how to fall because the difference between falling like this and falling like this is this hurts a lot.

And this breaks your wrist. Fall on the meat. And spread out the force. Yeah. Like you fall like this. Turn your face to the side. Don't go face in first. You know, all that kind of stuff.

Hit the ground. Make sure you exhale when you hit the ground. Otherwise, you're going to get winded. All those little things. Yeah, I played a lot of like pretty brutal sports and did a lot of, uh, to put it your way, fairly idiotic things throughout my years. And I never broke anything else after that because I was usually pretty good

at falling. Just that time. Like it shouldn't have happened. My bones are just thin as heck. So I just, like it went, I don't know. I didn't really do anything wrong.

I like crouched and then leaned into the snow. It should like not be a bad situation, but it just, I don't know. It didn't really do anything wrong. I like crouched and then leaned into the snow. It should like not be a bad situation, but it just, I don't know. It just was. Wow. Horses. Not popular in float plane chat. Tiltlord says my sister's horse kicked her in the face

and messed up her teeth. Mike Reed goes, horses are jerks though. To this day, my sternum pops when I stretch because of an encounter with a particularly kicky horse my dad had when I was a kid. Yeah, I got kicked in the head once. Fortunately, it was by a foal. I mean, she wasn't just born, but

she wasn't full grown because otherwise I might not be here. Man, it was one of only three times in my life that I have blacked out. But it was for such a short period. That's pretty brutal. it was for such a short period.

That's pretty brutal. It was for such a short period. She got me like right behind the ear. That's bad. Back of the head is bad. Like three inches higher and to the side. And she would have had me in the temple. Yeah.

A little lower. And she would have had me right in the stem of my neck. So it was like right here. She probably wishes she got me there because boy, was I ever mad at her i i was out for however long it took my head to go from my standing height to about here so i didn't actually fall down like i was conscious to catch myself got it um and there's uh so there's a there's a process for getting horses to submit.

I forget what it's called anymore, but basically you like separate them from the herd. Um, and so that's what I had been trying to do. And she had, cause, cause it's, it's to, it's to help train them. Um, and so that's what I had been trying to do. And she like got past me and and I tried to go for her and she just went wild and got me. And man, I was determined. I was like, no, you will.

Your head will go like this and you will be calm. And I'm not leaving this riding ring until that is done. Like so mad. I mean, you never hit them. Like you never actually behave aggressively toward a horse because that's not how you build a relationship with them. But this process is actually something that they do do in the wild where they'll separate one from the herd to discipline it.

Is it not called breaking a horse? Well, no, breaking is kind of a different thing okay i don't know i forget exactly what it's called i don't know that kind of stuff man i was mad i grew up with a bunch of horse people but no offense to any horse people listening i just never really cared i think it's part of breaking them or something but like yeah it's a whole thing i have no idea it's a whole thing moving on okay this one's from ryan have you seen the ferraro systems silicone based active It's a whole thing. I have no idea. It's a whole thing. Moving on. Okay, this one's from Ryan. Have you seen the Ferraro system's silicone-based active cooling tech? If their claims about scalability with better nodes works out,

seems to have interesting implications for future tech. Yeah, we're in touch. If they have an actual demo we can actually show you guys, then we want to do a video about it for sure. Makes sense. Yeah, that'd be pretty awesome there. This one's from Alex. With a daughter

on the way, I have been thinking about how much my dad impacted me. I now work in IT, and I think back to when he let me play Halo as long as I didn't tell Mom. Do you have a moment in your life that started your love for tech? I hope to inspire my daughter to dream big too.

I mean, gaming. Yeah, like I still remember playing TIE Fighter, like wanting to game and not being able to unless I figured out how to use the computer. That was it. I think that's the root of a lot of tech people from our generation. For me, there was a buddy that I would carpool with to school and he would be dropped off at our house

and then we would drive from our house, but he would be there for like half an hour before we left. And he was my best friend. So we would want to play Diablo, but the only way that we could play it, like it wouldn't detect the other computer on land. Right. So we had to figure out like how IP stuff worked so we could play together. Uh, and my dad, my dad was fairly competent. So he was able to kind of lead us to water but he wanted us to learn so he didn't just tell us exactly how to do it but he like guided us along the path to figuring it out and then we would have to do it fairly often and then my dad gave me a computer that was like broken that i was able to tear apart and i like

broke it way more nice and then nice felt really bad whereas usually in the rest of my life i'm just like oh i just mess with something and who cares like it doesn't really matter but i was like you know i actually wanted this thing to work yeah so from there i'm like okay i should probably do better now i want to figure out how to do this better yeah exactly that was that was a lot of the drive okay this one's from daniel when nintendo decides to make their next console would you like to see a similar form of the switch a move back to a fixed console station or something new i have an opinion here i'll go first i guessed console station. And I know that might be- Really?

Yeah. Or more of a focus on it, maybe. Maybe if the dock enables more power, which was something that I think a lot of us were hoping before the Switch came out. Like if it had an eGPU in it or something. Something like that. Sure. Because-

60 FPS dock. We were hanging out fairly recently. And you busted out the Wii U. Yeah. And that was really fun yeah it's totally fun we didn't even play wii u games we played wii games yeah it was great play some wii sports let's go co-op is like a dead meme at this point yeah like it's so hard to find co-op games um and i think if there was more focus on the fixed console experience, more games would be made for it, you know?

But I think a lot of Switch games are made with the Switch being mobile more in mind. And when it's mobile, it's usually single player. Yes, there's some Nintendo titles that are like, okay, one player gets one controller. And you can play with the little Switch propped up with the little leg thingy that breaks way too easily. But I don't think there's that many that are made for that. I'm going to have a bit of a maybe controversial take here. I trust Nintendo to innovate and do something different

as much as I trust them to be generally anti-consumer and money-grubbing. So... Yep. They're going to want to change the controllers. You have to buy new ones, etc. Yeah, I'm going to go with Nintendo knows what's best for innovation in gaming and doing something different than what Sony and Microsoft are doing. And if they decide that, you know, a Switch is, you know, the best they can do right now, then I'm into it. If they think it should have four screens or a waggly dildo for a controller, then I guess I'm into that too. Let's go. They already made the Wii.

Yeah, I know. That was the joke, yeah. Thanks, Dan. I'm so sorry. You got there eventually. Welcome to the party. the joke yeah thanks i'm so sorry you got there eventually welcome to the party um it is a little wild to me that the switch was released in 2017 and we still don't have a new one i don't count the oled but yeah anyways moving on okay this one's from charles hey linus uh just

fixed a really annoying issue with my pc which wouldn't let it boot past the bias. What was the hardest tech issue you've encountered, and how did you fix it? Hmm. I have no idea. Hardest tech issue you've encountered. Oh, man. The one I had to solve for the AMD challenge, actually,

was pretty difficult. And I think that 10 years ago or whatever, I probably wouldn't have been able to solve it. Oh, I don't know. NVIDIA's whole 680i platform was super flaky. Hardest tech issue. I survived on that. That wasn't it? 780i, I think?

Yeah. Yeah, it was just as bad. Survived on there for a while yeah it was tough times hardest tech issue i don't know i've had so like my whole life is just tech issues yeah this is a hard question because you'd have to drill through practically half the waking hours of every day for the last 25 years the stability of the wan show stream yeah that's the one that probably plagued me longest i mean we we would reinstall windows swap out literally every piece of hardware and it would

crash anyway we could both go home and stream stably yeah but we couldn't couldn't stream with the wan pc we both tried it wasn't just linus i tried to fix it too i've tried now yeah i think this is my second as well the wan pc is cursed yep i am i'm going to always be cursed no all right i'll bring a priest in sounds good you need some holy water and then that'll break it too um but yeah yeah don't have a great answer okay last one i've got here is from anonymous hey luke i was just wondering if me making a float plane resolution upscaling AI tool would be against the terms of service or any other rules and yes I'm one of the I can see the need for 4 14 40p cringe take um just run it in 4k my dude um it's just bitrate man come on uh i don't think it is i don't care

legal legal t's and c's are hard i don't think it is uh i'm not personally mad about it i think it's unnecessary i a lot of the ai resolution upscaling stuff that i've seen in the past is not good um but i mean i mean yeah if you're just if you're just downloading the video and then watching it upscaled like you're not even really doing anything you could just use existing tools like right oh yeah just do that you just do that yeah i mean you can't you like auto download the videos anyway and then you could like... You'd have to sort of make that yourself. You could use an upscaling tool at the folder and then just have it output somewhere.

Like there's gotta be a way to... I don't care what you do with... Like if you're capable of doing this, you're definitely capable of doing it a smarter way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, waste your time because you could have just downloaded

or watched the 4K version. But whatever. All right. Two more. Last two. Luke, as your team grows, will you add product managers? Yep. And how do you calculate ROI from a product side?

there are many things that this guy gets me to make that I tell him enthusiastically before making it that the ROI makes no sense. So sometimes I don't calculate it because there's no point because I tell him it's terrible and he's like, we're doing it anyways. And I'm like, gotcha. But we're a privately held company, so we can just do cool stuff that doesn't make any sense. To be completely honest. Yeah, I'm not mad about it. There's just a lot of things that we make that aren't really ROI focused. So if he's like, I don't care, then cool, I don't care either. But if it matters, then it matters. I don't know.

Will you add product managers? Yes, I have to. Dan from the Labs website side is doing that very well um it's it's going great aj has been taking on more leadership responsibility recently he's been doing a fantastic job of it um and then there's actually going to be some more news in that regard relatively soon but yeah it's happening not for everything right um but when the team working on that thing is getting relatively big and there's a bunch of teams it makes sense for that relatively big team to have someone uh leading it kind of with me um

because doing it all myself is going to be problematic but yeah and finally uh where'd it go ah benjamin asks how much of the ltd channel views happens on videos older than a month six months five years it ebbs and flows sometimes a lot of the viewership is just coming from whatever's fresh and whatever we can do to generate as good a push as possible on that new content. And then it just falls off a cliff. And then six months later, the rules totally change. And that content that just kind of went and then died right out of the gate

is back with a vengeance. I actually messaged my contact recently saying like, hey, I'm not complaining, but I do always get unnerved by what I perceive as big swings in algorithmic behavior. And this last month has been a doozy. We're on an upswing for our back catalog that I haven't seen the likes of in probably a couple of years. And it's following a downswing, the likes of which I had only seen a few times in the last five years. And I'm just kind of sitting here going, guys, you're sending me very mixed messages here. I mean, they're not, you know, you ask someone like, okay, so Todd had a search and discovery, and he'll always tell you,

okay, make evergreen content, just focus on quality, focus on viewer satisfaction. It's like, yeah, I always do that. But in terms of the actual day-to-day performance of the videos they send, it doesn't always reflect that way, far less consistent messages. And so, yeah, it's, it's all over the place, not going to lie. But what I can say is it also depends on your content strategy, right? Like we try to make sure that every video has what I call learning outcomes so that even if you watch it five years down the line and the actual parts that we're on your content strategy, right? Like we try to make sure that every video has what I call learning outcomes. So that even if you watch it five years down the line and the actual parts that we're talking about are completely obsolete and irrelevant,

there'll still be something that you can learn from it. So that'll help. That'll make it more likely that people will come across it and more likely that it'll be recommended because it's more likely that people will be satisfied by that particular um video this is great anonymous okay fine one last one one last one i got your screwdriver the day after you announced it two of my friends said it was overpriced both of them have ordered And with that, I will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

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