The WAN Show - Never Hate On Your Community - WAN Show March 4, 2022

Episode Date: March 7, 2022

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The notification was wrong, apparently. Mmm. Oops. Oh, and we're live! Hey! Welcome to the WAN Show! The Selected resumed extremely quickly today, and we've got a fantastic show for you today,

starting, of course, with the Artesian Build-A-Scandal. Why? Why would you take a big dump on your community members in public? It's been really entertaining to watch. I mean, if you want to take a dump on your community members in public. It's been really entertaining to watch. I mean, if you want to take a dump on your community members, you should at least do it privately like Nintendo does. So we'll be talking about both of those. What else we got today, Luke?

NVIDIA hacked. DLSS source code leaked and lots of other bad things. Yeah, it seems to be a pretty substantial hack. What else we got? Epic Games bought Bandcamp. I did not see that coming. I don't know anyone that saw that coming. Oh, I did.

What? 100%. I don't believe you. Obviously. It just made so much sense to roll the intro. all right let's jump right into our first topic actually i have a spicy take to start us off with what's the title of the show? Don't. Never hate on your community? Never hate on your community, yes. Does that mean you can't make fun of Twitch chat anymore?

Twitch chat's not my community. No, they don't count? No. Okay, sounds good. They're awful people. I never want to be associated with Twitch chat. Love you, Twitch chat. Okay, starting us off. Yeah yeah so i have to confess i was not keeping abreast of this whole this whole drama so it's been it's been summarized for me here by one

nicholas and i'm gonna hope that he's got all the details right. But basically, Noah Katz, CEO of Artesian Builds, who I have to confess I had never heard of before. The first thing that I said when I heard all of this was, I'm sorry, who? And it's not a knock. I just, there's literally a thousand boutique PC builders out there. I mean, hell, I think both you and I probably qualified as boutique PC builders

at some point in our lives. Like I would try to find people who needed builds done and I would go to attic.ca and ncix.com and I would use my premier partner membership to get slightly better pricing and pass my savings on to my pocket while you pay the full price you know like it was that's how contractors work that it's actually

how it works yeah um so i i just can't i can't keep track of every possible boutique builder out there so it's not it's not a knock against them and i think they if i could make an assumption i believe they mostly sponsored streamers and neither of us really watch streams. Right. So that's probably part of it as well. That's probably part of it. What is a knock against them is what happened next. Oh, yeah.

They seem to have some kind of program where they do giveaways of gaming PCs. They stream building them. Apparently, they're a pretty significant PC builder streamer. The only one that I really know is Robitech. Yeah. And that's only because we collabed with Robitech. Seems like a super swell dude.

Yeah. But apparently, they're one of the bigger PC build streamers. And on their stream, they drew an eligible streamer, Kiepia? I don't know. Kiepia? Well, whatever. whatever this is that sounded cool uh this is the

channel okay oh intended for mature audiences well i certainly won't be looking at that i'm not a very mature boy um drew an eligible streamer for a giveaway then refused to give it to her because she was not popular enough. Which was not part of the criteria. She hit every other criteria except, this was the quote, 2,000 followers is under my threshold. Which was not defined. And then, oh, okay.

All followers combined, still under 5K across multiple socials. I was trying to be generous. What? Trying to be generous. Here's the reason. This person has three months of ambassadorship and not a single click. This is an ambassador giveaway, said Noah Katz, CEO of Artesian Builds. Which they are, to be clear.

They were an ambassador. Well, not anymore. They were an ambassador. Yeah, so my understanding is the requirement is that you have to have a link to them in your in your bio or it's like a little banner thing yeah okay and then what were what were the other requirements you have to honestly i hated the video it was so cringy to watch that i don't fully remember because i haven't re-watched it since like the beginning of the scandal but i think it was just you just had to be an ambassador to be an ambassador uh I know you had to have the thing

in the description the banner yeah outside of that I'm not really certain I don't think it was very much huh okay sure so basically the deal was that if if someone clicks through and buys the computer you get a kickback I see I see okay and basically because there was no click through and no sales they kind of changed the rules on the fly after having drawn someone live and then who had who did have the banner and had had the banner as well like they didn't just add it quickly for the stream it was already there it had already been there so here's the thing and then they roasted them it's it's not it's not like they just said no which was already bad because honestly if you wanted to do a giveaway and you're like okay to be eligible for

the giveaway you have to have this many click throughs or this many subscribers or whatever that's that's its own thing but if if there's none of those terms laid out and then the person doesn't meet your magical in your head requirements and then you just roast them for it live and then like do this like success fist bump like yes we were able to not give it to this small struggling streamer i don't he obviously didn't say that but like he he was very stoked with himself that he was able to deny this person the computer. So here's the thing. If you're going to have an ambassadorship program,

if you want to get the benefit of a whole whack load of small streamers going out there and putting your banner under their streams, which cumulatively I have to assume is non-negligible, then you're going to have to eat it once in a while and give a prize to someone that might not have an amazing ROI for your business from like a dollars and cents standpoint. And at the end of the day, you know, the attitude is a problem. The attitude's obviously a problem. But to me, it's just a matter of integrity. Um, I, I'm not going to name any names for what I think are pretty obvious reasons,

but one year at our Christmas party, we had a very substantial, um, perk. Uh, I will, I will call it. It was,

uh, it, it was a, a, a large, valuable, interesting thing that happened. And we had someone who attended who we knew was probably not going to make it.

And it was one of those things where we, uh, we had made the decision, but we were in a position where it wasn't about stringing someone along. It was about that. It was Christmas and they'll, you know, I just don't have it in me to, to give someone the boot, you know, two, three weeks before Christmas that it was christmas and they'll you know i just don't have it in me to to give someone the boot you know two three weeks before christmas that in my in my mind is it is a monstrous is a monstrous thing to do um i mean obviously there's never a good time to to dismiss someone i hate i hate firing people it's it's caused problems for me in the past how much i hate firing people but

it's um we decided to do this thing and there was a big debate among senior managers that kind of went um okay so do we do we give them this thing? And the answer was yes, because the deal is if you're in the LMG family, you are in the LMG family until such time as you are not in the LMG family. And then a really funny thing happened was Luke knows this on a scale of one to 10. How would you describe the giveaways at the LMG Christmas party? Oh,

just, I don't want to be cliche, but like break the 10, like go. I've, I've never witnessed anything on that scale. And I, I went to early PAX when it was nuts. And when my, uh, we would literally, there would be three of us and we'd fill my dad's work van with giveaways every year at PAX. Back then that wasn't even close to the Christmas party scale. So like, yeah. We did stuff this year that wasn't even close to the christmas party scale so like yeah we did stuff this year that wouldn't fit in your van yeah it was pretty cool we had yeah yeah the logistics team was like going around delivering things to people's houses had to rent a u-haul anyway yeah the point is

that particular individual also walked away with like six or seven grand worth of christmas party giveaways and the reason i'm telling this story is not because i think i'm some kind of amazing guy for treating people with the the basic um of having the basic attitude of if i say i'm going to do something, then I need to do it. It's that I consider that to be basic and everyone needs to just do that. Um, that's all I have. That's all I kind of have to say about that. So that whole thing took place a few years ago. Uh, it's, it's all, it's all water completely under the bridge. That's why I feel like I can kind of talk about it. I'm not going to name any names. Nobody, nobody, people aren't going to be able to guess nobody will be able to guess it uh it's just one of those situations where it doesn't matter if you kind of would have rather

that prize went to someone who's going to like maybe still work there in a month um if you said the way it works is if you participate in the games and if you pick the right thing to put your name in and you get drawn, then darn it, you do it. That's it. That's all there is to it. Yeah. And I agree with all of that.

And then it gets so much worse. Oh, no. Because he rose to the person. And then it goes on. The community backlash was was really really intense uh otk parted ways sorry who is otk one true king they're like a twitch group is it like a like a christian group or something or like no no no otk network okay i think it stands for one true king okay cool It's a Twitch streamer group of people.

Cool. Shortly after, Mizkiff, who I believe is in OTK, said that apparently the PC that they gave him was absolute garbage bleep. Poop.

Poop-poop. Yeah, poop with an S. Caca. All right. Nick Merckx, a streamer partnered with Artesian, spoke out and said

that he is reevaluating the relationship. Intel Gaming is looking into it. Pestily, which is a Tarkov streamer and video creator, cut ties with them. Community Outreach, in a positive sense, has also been really strong. Jace Two Cents is building, or this is built, so I guess he's already done, built her a PC.

She's already up to almost 20 000 followers now so like bit of a bump i also think that's just on twitch like he mentioned less than 5k for all socials or whatever i think she's above 20 just on twitch and this was probably written a bit ago she might even be higher than now i think it's like 25 000 now i had opened it up before 23 500 hilarious so so that's pretty epic um also artesian's apology video can probably go in the like uh smithsonian equivalent of terrible apology videos um there's such amazing highlights uh like when he says that future pc giveaways will be able to go to any type of creator regardless of their size he does like a big defeated sigh right before he says that part which is just amazing like super high quality um he has amazing quotes that i'm not gonna be able to do because i

don't i didn't like just watch the video yeah but he mentions at some point like we're gonna focus on getting like even better and i'm like dude you need to focus on the better part not even better like you're not you're not in a good situation right now um it's rough christopher yee found out that artesian is throttling gpus to combat thermal issues apparently one creator asked him to take a look at her pc and he found that evj's overclocking program had been installed with a 10 throttle applied um what which is which is just it's epic a it's kind of skeezy and b completely unnecessary it's a huge throttle and nvidia gpu will throttle itself do it on its own what are you doing it's been doing it on its own for like a while now this is not even new um just just epic just bullet after bullet after bullet and then finally apparently we dodged a

bullet because as you mentioned we did neither of us have heard of these guys before uh but apparently they wanted to work with us super bad there's clips on twitch of him like begging his community to to reach out uh to get us to work with them etc etc etc and we just never did it really yeah apparently noah said on stream that artesian is the pc company linus would have started if was a PC company. Oh, okay. Nope. I can't say that I would have throttled a GPU. Yeah. Oh, that's too bad. I mean, I... Oh, crap.

I'm doing the thing I said not to do. What? Right in the title. It says not to hate on your community. Oh, because he's talking about the community. Artesian is part of my community. Okay. Rip.

Asterisk, with some exception. How do I get out of this, Luke? I don't know, dude. Whatever. No, I'm... Everything's a guideline, not a rule. I was on a streak. Not for very long.

I had one week going with no hot takes. No controversy. Why are you bringing controversy back to Linus Tech Tips? It's gotta happen. Oh, I see a merch message. Have people figured out that we've got new products available on the store today? Yeah. Alright. We'll talk about them in more detail later, but

we have better and more... Our cable ties are so much amazinger now. They're like awesome now. The packaging is sweet too. The packaging. Okay, stop, stop, stop. We're going to talk about it later. Okay.

Okay. What else is there to say about this? There's a comment here. It doesn't say. Oh, Jay's Two Cents built her a PC? Yeah, I mentioned that. Oh, did you?

That's sick. That was fast too. He turned that around quick. That's crazy. Like he's already got a He turned that around quick. That's crazy. Like, he's already got a video about it. Something that I really like is... Is she, like, local? Does he, like, hand it to her or what?

I haven't watched the video. That's a thick machine. It looks like we're driving around, so I'm sure it is. Why is his thermal readout sideways? Come on, Jay. No, I'm kidding. He can fix that in software. He can fix it with the EVGA utility.

All you got to do is turn the GPU clock speed down 10% and it'll turn right around. Brutal. Something that I've always really liked about being in the PC hardware community is that the creators in it always seem to have each other's back. Well, heck yeah.

Who else is going to have our backs? But you see a lot, a huge range of different other communities on the internet it's not really that way right whether there's manufactured conflicts because they're just trying to like create fake battles because those get views or there's actual conflicts beef yeah the beef whether it's real or fake seems to be in a lot of other communities that's but true. But the computer hardware community is actually fairly tight-knit.

A lot of people in the PC hardware community are just straight-up friends with each other, and everyone has their back pretty hard. So I was actually... I saw on Twitter that Jay said, like, I'll build you a computer or whatever. I thought that was super cool. And just everyone rushing to Kia's defense was awesome.

It was good to see. Good to see. I love it. Way to go, PC community. Yep. In other news, Nintendo is removing Nintendo game emulation videos, particularly on... Are they removing videos that feature their games being emulated,

particularly on the Steam Deck? Yeah. Now, I actually had a little chat with one of the creators that has been affected by this, and we've got a theory that we share, but why don't we go through Anthony's take here first, which is in the WAN show doc. As Steam decks reach consumers' hands, videos of using the Steam Deck as a Switch emulation machine are being taken down by the Big N.

which emulator is able to run on the Steam Deck and PCs and has some pretty desirable features, such as higher resolution rendering, game mods, higher frame rate support, and more. It does not, however, support Nintendo Switch Online services. Nintendo is famously anti-emulators, except when it comes to using uh emulation in their own products and uh which was really awkward it was the was it the mini nes or the mini snes i don't didn't they use like emulation code too from somebody else if i recall correctly uh yeah the nest classic is based on

open source emulation software yeah yeah so n's very against it, except when it benefits them. Wait, we can sell this? Let's be very, very clear that they have a line in the sand for when it's okay and when it's not. Yeah. And when it comes to emulating current-gen consoles, it turns out that they are especially litigious. Now. current gen consoles it turns out that they are especially litigious um now currently the only way to legally dump your own switch games is to have a modded switch which is relatively uncommon

since nintendo fixed the recovery mode exploit in 2018 and firmware 8.0.0 patched the browser exploit in 2019 i had an og switch and i actually gave it away at the christmas party because i had treated myself to an oled one and i was like oh that was really stupid i still have one yeah i might have access to a second yeah it's fine i'm i'm over it realistically i can afford to just buy one on ebay if i like need to dump a game or whatever but i'm just very mad at myself yeah yeah you can just you can use a power line. But anyways, that means most Switch emulation is piracy in the legal sense.

That is to say... Literally this time. Literally. Downloaded from the internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The question of whether that's truly piracy if you own the game is thought to lean towards yes, legally. Only dumping your own is...

Only dumping your own is legally... Yeah, your own ROMs. Yeah, yeah. Is legally protected, and even that's not settled in Nintendo's eyes. Which is obviously, from an ethical standpoint, freaking ridiculous. If I have a copy of the game

sitting right next to me on my desk while i play that game not not installed not lent to a friend sitting there right there in front of me while i play that game on my pc because i want save states or i want to play at a higher refresh rate or resolution or i want to use a controller that doesn't cost 90 Canadian dollars and is kind of ass, right? Like there's a lot of reasons that I might wish to do it that way. I personally do not consider that to be from an ethical sense wrong. Jaden mentioned in Flowplane chat that there was apparently one time

where they sold a Mario ROM downloaded from a ROM site. Oh, really? I vaguely remember something about that, but yeah. It's funny. Oh, Nintendo. Someone there was tasked with creating a ROM to sell on some digital store, and they're just like,

yeah, I'll skip the work and download it. So here's the thing. Nintendo is within their right to protect their intellectual property from software piracy. That is absolutely the case. However, none of what we just said empowers Nintendo legally

to take down videos simply for showing their gameplay or showing that it is possible to do these things. So that's where Nintendo utilizing copyright takedowns gets into pretty murky water. Now, this is probably the most interesting part of all of this. This is probably the most interesting part of all of this. I have a video featuring Nintendo Switch emulation with the Yuzu emulator. My video is still up, but my new friend, okay,

the Fox, P-H-A-W-X, not F-O-X. So not the local radio station. No, no, not that either. So, um, I'm so sorry.

I don't know how to pronounce your last name too, but Carrie Golomb, Golomb. It doesn't matter. The point is, uh, Carrie ended up with a whack of videos taken down. And I believe it was one of,

or some of his videos being taken down that ultimately prompted the news story that caught my eye. It was in my Google News feed that made me finally introduce myself to Kerry, because I've been aware of him for quite some time, but just hadn't really had an occasion to talk to him. And in our back and forth, I'm not going to put any words in Kerry's mouth, because I think it's up to him how he wants to address this whole controversy and i don't want to put him in a position where he feels like because of what i said he said nintendo might you know come after him or or feel like he would whatever right like i don't want to put any words in carrie's mouth but i will say what i think and i think the reason that this has been this has has mostly flown under Nintendo's radar up until now,

but all of a sudden is enough problem that they went and removed not only Carrie's Steam Deck emulation videos, but also previous videos showcasing Switch emulation, was to send a message basically to attack a small creator who doesn't have the financial or time a financial means or the time to defend themselves as a kind of uh like warning shot because the reality of it is nintendo did not use the correct mechanism to attack Carrie. Streaming gameplay footage, I don't believe has actually been tested in court, but my understanding is that it would be pretty defensible from a fair use standpoint, particularly in the context of reviewing a hardware device and using that software to demonstrate and that intellectual property because really it's only the source code would be

copyrightable it's the trademarks it's the it's the imagery that nintendo feels is being is being violated when people show their gameplay footage. So in the context of using that software to review a hardware device, that is highly transformative. Maybe, arguably, affects the market for the original work.

So that's where some game streaming does run into a little bit of trouble. I'm trying to remember off the top of my head what the other two pillars are. Pillars of fair use, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, the four factors. Here we go. Purpose and character use,

the nature of the copyrighted work. So it's a game showing a game being played on a gaming device. I think that's pretty defensible. The amount and substantiality of the portion taken? Obviously negligible. I mean, you're not getting the story. You're not getting the gameplay experience.

You're not having the fun. You're just seeing it running on a screen. I think that it would be pretty defensible if we actually made it there, but Akash Kumar points out in the Twitch chat that fair use is an argument.

It's not a legal definition. You would actually have to litigate it. So Nintendo either is kind of going, okay, we're going to send out a warning to the community. It's very unlikely we'll actually end up in court over this. Yep. And this is not the correct mechanism, but we are basically threatening to do something else

if you don't get in line and stop showing switch emulation. So naturally, my response to this is that I need to get my hands on a switch that allows ROM dumping and I'm going to make a video. I'm going to dump some ROMs and I'm going to run them on the switch. You ready for the next part?

Did I say on the switch? I'm going to run them on the Steam Deck. I'm going to have the cartridges right next to me showing that I fully backed them up and i am and i'm running them on my steam deck and um i'm gonna see what happens i've got my switch has a cool clear purple plastic back and should be old enough to run all right i can bring that in well that sounds pretty interesting to me because the reality of it is i don't think there's any

legal foot to stand on and i can play my n Nintendo games on my Steam Deck to my heart's content. Epic. Using my Yuzu emulator. So I'm very excited. There's a question here from Anthony that I think is really good. Does the Streisand effect make this much more likely to spread? I mean, we're talking about it on this show. There's probably going to be other people talking about it.

I've seen news articles about this already that are not from us. Will this literally just make it worse for Nintendo? What do you think? I think absolutely. I don't know. I mean, emulation's not, like, it's not new.

I don't think people, like, don't know about it. Well, oh, I shouldn't say that. Because there have been some extremely ignorant responses to my tweet about this and i'm not like saying like they're you know these people are dumb or evil or anything like that they're just extremely ignorant like you'd see people saying there is no reason to emulate a game there are lots of reasons to emulate a game i mean we mentioned some of them already if you want to play them at a higher resolution. Frame rates. Or if you... There's a lot of Nintendo games that throttle really hard

when there's too many things going on on screen. I mean, Breath of the Wild is a launch game, and it, like, doesn't run great. Yeah, it gets pretty rough. Like, I... I mean, save states are a huge one. Speed running. In Flowplane chat, there's someone...

I wasn't aware of yuzu uh i am now and i will be using it and like in my experience from growing up usually it was generations past that were emulatable yeah well the fact that the switch is so underpowered like that's fair i mean it's a phone from like six years ago like that's what actually runs the thing so it's it's not it's not to be clear massive massive respect to the engineering that goes behind creating an emulator for any console uh but that particular one we didn't have to wait a long time for the computer hardware to get powerful enough to do it yeah um yeah save states save lives it's conrad 100 so yeah speed running i mean that's a community that has absolutely contributed to nintendo's footprint as a gaming company yeah but they just

they they tend not to not to see things that way it's in this very black and white sort of narrow view. And yeah, I invite Nintendo to issue a copyright takedown of my video claiming that I've infringed upon their footage because I will not have. And that'll be interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I intend to dispute it. I think in no small part because of these types of things, and I genuinely mean it quite strongly that in no small part because of these types of things, Roblox is now worth more than Nintendo. Really? Yeah.

Well, I heard that. I haven't looked up the information myself, but I was informed that that is the case. Wow, that's crazy. Roblox is like birdies gummy for a bunch of reasons. There's videos about that on the YouTubes. But yeah, they're worth like a ton. And Nintendo, if they keep going after content creators, they're going to keep having issues.

I've got another really cool example of why emulation is super sick. It's a great way to be able to run like filters on your um like if you like a particular look on the game like if you're playing a snes game on an lcd instead of on a crt you can add scan lines uh you can add anti-aliasing for example to ps1 games making them actually look better than they did on the original console there's yeah like i said it's it's just kind of amazing to me like people who who think emulation i i there was this big argument on i think it was twitter where someone was saying how how hard emulation is and i said something along the lines of like i'm sure your nephew could do it like it's

oh i thought they meant like the creation of emulators. No, like, like playing, running your own emulators. It's not, it's not hard. Like it's, it's very, it's very easy. In some cases it's like notably easier to be completely honest.

I don't know. To be clear, like I, I don't remember the last time I played a pirated Nintendo game, like especially a current one. Like I own a switch. I also own a, well, I don't own that switch anymore. I played a pirated Nintendo game like especially a current one like I own a Switch I also own a well I don't own that Switch anymore I own a Switch OLED I actually am

Luke's not gonna like this but I buy almost all my stuff through the Nintendo eShop I don't buy physical cards I don't wanna keep track of that I put a big fat micro SD card in that thing and I just like download my games I got my kids Ring Fit Adventure for Christmas. You're like very likely just gonna lose

all those games. But then I guess you can just emulate them. Right? Yeah. So there's a valid use for emulation. When Nintendo screws you over because of some like shop going offline or whatever. I will utterly shamelessly emulate those games.

Shamelessly. And now that you have a steam deck it's like not even that different of a format so that's the big theory i wanted to talk about that's why i think nintendo is issuing a crackdown on this right now because up until, emulation of particularly the Switch has been a niche use case. It's been people who are sitting at their computer for the most part. Nobody has media PCs, especially not ones that are powerful enough to run Yuzu for the most part. Nobody has handhelds that are actually running this thing, at least not in any volume. Like a GPD Win or an Aya Neo. Okay, there's hundreds of us out there, right? The Steam Deck is going to ship millions of units. All of a sudden, this is, and it's in a form factor that is admittedly much larger than the Switch, and particularly the Switch Lite, but in a form factor that is now competitive with the switch and so all of a sudden nintendo's going oh is to know people are going to figure out

this is a thing we better make it go away i changed my mind there's definitely some strice and effect going on here did you see this is totally off topic but did you see Gabe N was delivering uh Steam Decks I did see that so I love it I absolutely love it it's great I uh I am still in hashtag no email gang unfortunately uh so I have no idea what I'm gonna be getting mine but it'll happen it's fine I would offer to lend you one but I'm using it every day it's how's that going um you know what I haven't actually used a desktop computer since I switched to it, because I've been like, oh, it's kind of a hassle. I got to plug in my USB hub and stuff.

So I just haven't touched my computer. But I've been playing lots of games. I've put like 12 hours into Horizon Zero Dawn. Okay, so you've been using the Steam Deck a lot, just not as a desktop. Yeah, I haven't actually used desktop mode on it yet. No, no, I've been using it a lot. How's Zero Dawn. Okay, so you've been using the Steam Deck a lot, just not as a desktop. Yeah, yeah, I haven't actually like used desktop mode on it yet. But no, no, I've been using it a lot. How's Zero Dawn running? Because when it first came to PC, it was really problematic, even on Windows. It's been okay. So I have, I definitely had some stuff already to talk about in my 30 day Steam Deck video. For one thing, Horizon Zero Dawn ran

probably the first like six, seven hours completely problem-free. And then I started to get these like really awful stutters as I was getting deeper and deeper into the game. And I don't know what that has to do with because it's not really getting more graphically intensive. I would lean on it being Horizon Zero Dawn's problem more than I would lean on it being the Steam Deck's problem.

Well, that's the thing is I don't care. At the end of the day, if you're going to be a console, it doesn't matter. I bought your hardware. There's certain standards. I bought the game that you said is verified for your hardware.

Oh, it's a verified game? Yeah, it's a verified title. So, as a consumer, right? So, you're talking to me, Linus the Enthusiast, who understands well, Proton's hard. But as a consumer right so you're talking to me linus the enthusiast who understands well protons hard but as a consumer i don't care that doesn't matter yeah yeah i don't even think it's a pro like like i i big fan of zero dawn i love the horizon series um when i first got it when it came to pc i i got into a situation where I had a repeating game crashing bug. I could not play the game.

Oh, like a total zero progression bug? Yeah. Like, right away. Okay. Floatplane Chat says that it's Gouda on PC now. It's better? Okay, cool. That's good. It's been quite a while.

And they did dedicate to fixing it, and there was a lot of patches coming out. I just haven't retouched it since. I trust plane chat i'm sure it's fine uh to be clear we're talking horizon zero dawn um ducky that not the latest one not not forbidden yeah uh so anyway zero dawn and then it gets worse so i started to have issues where the right joystick if i put the deck to sleep and wake it without completely relaunching the game, the right joystick will work in the menu, but won't work to rotate the camera in game.

Is this just zeroed on? Yeah, just zeroed on so far, but that's what I've spent most of my time playing. And these are things that I'm noticing more as I'm not benchmarking games, as I am playing them, like actually putting tens of hours into a game. After I started getting those stuttering issues,

I ran into a complete full system hang. I had the screen just go black and it was gone. Fortunately, I had just saved. And then I've also had some really bad stutters where for like 10, 15 seconds, it's running at like one FPS. And that was happening for like a bit. And then I did a reboot and it was fine. There's also some kind of hassles for like a bit and then i did a reboot and it was fine there's also some

kind of hassles um on uh on like a nintendo console when you update it updates the console and when you update the game it updates the game on the steam deck because so much of the software magic that's going on is proton when you update the console like half your freaking games update every time, as far as I can tell. And I think that's why, but I haven't validated that with Valve. I'm just trying to experience it as a consumer would.

And I just feel like every time I turn on the damn thing, half my games are running updates. And because I threw a one terabyte micro SD in it, I have like a freaking ton of games on it just because I wanted to like have a big game library on my trip. And I was like, I don't know what I'm going to play. I'm going to pick up something. I ended up picking up up Horizon Zero Dawn I'm sure we could talk about Horizon Zero Dawn a fair bit because honestly I don't think it's very good um but uh that's fine okay I shouldn't say it's not very good I should

say it's flawed yeah I really enjoyed the first 10 hours and what i'm running into now particularly running at like 25 to 30 fps on a controller on a little screen is that some of the big dinosaur machine things have extremely small weak points. Oh, yeah. And are a real chore to fight. And because it has a very light touch to its RPG character progression elements, where basically you just invest skill points into skills, like being better at stuff, you don't just get like jacked and start

just one arrowing everything just like getting around is kind of a pain in the butt like the enemies respawn so quickly and some of them are so tedious and so resource intensive to fight i don't remember that being you can run away from them pretty easily maybe i just did that which is a plus but the other thing that really bothers me and this is something i'm sure we could do a full podcast episode on is that unlike zelda breath of the wild with its in my opinion excellent weapon breaking mechanic yeah horizon zero dawn has almost no dopamine hit for me when I'm looting. Yeah. Oh, no, that's for sure. There's like no reason to fight. I get like crappy like upgrades for my weapons and my armor,

of which you can only put like at max, it seems like three things on it. And I'm only, you know, 20% progression through the game. And I've already got ones with three slots there doesn't appear to be any meaningful difference in defensive benefit other than you know uh elemental elemental defenses and stuff like that from different gear I don't remember is horizon one of those games where it includes like collectibles and stuff and it's game progress percentage I don't know because there's a lot of games where you beat it at 40%.

Either way, I'm not that far in. I'm pretty sure I'm not that far in because I've done a bunch of side stuff as well. So it's just not that... And the crafting materials are just really arbitrary. Yeah. Like you just need, oh oh you need one of these

to do a thing go hunt raccoons and i notably did not like the looting and progression systems i specifically remember that extremely extreme so the cyber pope says breath of the wild had zero meaningful difference in gear also that is true but the difference is that zelda breath of the wild had the weapon breaking mechanic yeah and the weapons got significantly more powerful so you were able to fight more powerful foes and there was this inventory management element that as a as an RPG player who actually enjoys painstakingly managing my equipment and inventory, like I love Final Fantasy Tactics, for example, I enjoy that. Whereas with Horizon Zero Dawn,

I was 10 hours in still using my starting bow. That's boring. I want a new bow that is better. And yeah, I got like accurate like long range bow or whatever that takes a thousand years to reload but like give me give me a a rapid shot bow or like a one that makes my knockback way less or it's like something give me something interesting and so it was really yeah it was really it was really boring someone in chat said that you beat the story at something like 40 so you're probably like half or slightly over halfway through i've

all but i like i said i've also done a bunch of side stuff so i don't know i i'm just yeah i'm not and then i reached this point where you have to clear three enemy encampments that is just clear gameplay padding just too much yeah you clear one enemy encampment and then there's like this stealth segment that's like a pain in the butt and then there's this like bird this like giant freaking bird that you're given no briefing whatsoever it has this gigantic area of effect attack and i'm just sitting here going i finally shoot the thing down and i get some like weapon enhancement coil. That's not even better than what I already have.

I'm like, when you only, that's one of my big criticisms of the earlier Zelda games is there's like nothing to get. You get all these rupees and there's nothing to buy. You don't care. But that's why Breath of the Wild was so interesting to me because the in-game economy had a meaning. There was a purpose to it. You actually wanted to sell stuff. You wanted to turn your raw materials into things that you could sell for more

so that you could get that better armor that you needed and get that weapon that you're going to need to take down that thing so you could steal its weapon so that you could farm those things. A looting system that Breath of the Wild reminded me of that I've been kind of chasing forever, and Breath of the Wild is the first thing that's given me kind of a taste of it,

is actually original EverQuest. Because an original EverQuest, way back in the day when I was like 10, if you were running around and you're like four pixels of awesome, if you saw a skeleton or whatever enemy, and he had like a sword and a belt. That was what he had.

You would get a sword and a belt. Right. It was so cool. Because you'd be running by, and you'd see a bunch of normal skeletons, and you'd see one with a sword. And you'd be like, oh, dang. He's actually stronger than the other ones.

Can I beat him? If I can beat him, then I get those things. I don't know. It was very cool. It was very satisfying. Um, do you want to know something interesting? I say I'm a fan of the horizon game.

I haven't played forbidden West or whatever it's called. I've only played the previous one and I also haven't beat it. Oh, so wait, I really enjoyed the amount of the game that I played. Which one did you play? Just that one. Which one? Horizon zero dawn. Oh, zero dawn. Which one did you play? Just that one. Which one?

Horizon Zero Dawn. Oh, Zero Dawn. Oh, really? I just never beat it. Oh. I really enjoyed the amount that I played, and then I had to give the PlayStation back to work. I just never...

Oh, I see. I was like, I'll play it later, and then I never really played it later. Then it came out on PC, and then it was just crashing, and I was like, I'll play it later. I still haven't played it. So I've probably played it more than you. At 20% in, probably. Yeah, okay. Because I played the first, like,

I got out of the first area, and then I did, like, a little bit after that, but it wasn't, like, a ton. I found the beginning very fun, but I have probably not gotten to the parts that you've got. I had a lot of fun in the beginning, too, but one of the things that is bothering me is that in the very, very very beginning you fall into this cave and there's these like

voice recordings that are like holy crap i'm in this dystopian future and like was this like a weird cult or something i am now 12 hours in and i haven't revisited that oh okay i assumed the storyline went back there um well i'm sure sure it does. Okay. At some point. Yeah. Just not yet. Assassin's Creed does that a lot too. Assassin's Creed will be like, you're in the current year timeline

and you do a few things and then you go into some ancient timeline and you never really come back until the very, very end of the game for one very short mission that doesn't make a lot of sense and then it's just over. It's like, what? The more recent games have kind of given up on that a little bit more but apparently forbidden west fixes a lot of those things oh yeah that's another one i've seen so

many complaints that uh the melee combat in zero and uh uh zero dawn is terrible and here's a terrible thing about it apparently you never change your weapon. You just start with a spear and then you can just put like boosters on it. And that's it. You'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you can use any weapon you want as long as it's the spear you started with.

Like, okay. I really, yeah, I found the progression to be a little not great. I remember that. Um, I really liked the world building and the like environments and the

and the story that was presented to me at the time and beautiful oh yeah absolutely gorgeous at 720p this big but but it's beautiful yeah and that's the thing is in breath of the wild okay horizon zero dawn you get like these maybe a 30 boost to your damage or whatever with one of these things but if you don't hit the enemy in exactly the right spot 30 boost on three damage yeah is four damage like it's not helpful if you're hitting them in the armor whereas in breath of the wild once you get late game weapons you can just walk and if a bokoblin or however you pronounce that babakob i don't even know it doesn't. The point is if they walk up to you, just like donk them and it does barely even any, you know,

endurance damage to your weapon and you can dispatch them and move along. Like you can move. I don't like just not being able to move around freely through areas that I have already cleared. And I get that the hunting element is a big part of the game like like being a becoming a skilled hunter or whatever but i don't want to have to be a skilled hunter to just there's

ways they could get around that because they they could like um i don't know that we're getting into like game development stuff but there could be like a a natural fear because you're you're a predator right so like the the lower level the robot animal things could start to fear you and just run away naturally so you can travel yeah they do that in um whatchamacallit that's really really bland rpg that i just played on switch uh bravely default 2 yeah they like once you've defeated a certain amount or whatever they just start fleeing and then what's great is you can sheepdog, kind of herd them into a corner.

This was one of my favorite things to do, was I would take an area where they're all kind of wandering around on the overworld, and then I would get them all into this one corner, and then I would throw back one of the like attractor things and then you chain fights in that game if they're all within range of you

so you would do I would do I think my record was like 8 or 9 or something like that was it did I break 10 I can't remember so I did so many fights in a row and there's this multiplier I think it maxes out at 3x don't quote me on this but i was i it's a game that is designed to be broken so that was the part that the story was

utterly just just disposable it was bland completely bland um characters had like kind of a little bit of personality but overall just not not that well done it's one of those games where it's like you you what you think throughout the game is like completely like, Oh, big plot twist. Whatever. Um, but what I enjoyed was the tinkering,

like that kind of playing around and like maxing out my jobs on my characters and stuff like that. And, uh, I forget where I was going with this, but basically they, yes, they could have an,

um, a mechanic like that, but it doesn't need to be there. Or it could. I don't know. Wow, we got really far away from removing Nintendo Switch emulation videos. But we did it. What time is it?

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What's she going to stream? I don't know. I mean, she did that one stream on Flowplane where she showed designing the privateer shirt. Yeah. So maybe she'll do some design stuff. I mean, we put a decent gpu in her rig so maybe some gaming stuff nice yeah i'm excited oh people are like i want a mixed color pack rainbow pack um oh that's a pretty good idea we're not there yet but it could you should just try to have a bundle yeah i guess we could um and yes the color on the packaging does match the color of what's inside so like the black one with the purple has

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All right. The tech industry responds en masse to Russia's invasion. Should we go through this? Yeah. On Monday, Twitter added labels to tweets by Russian state media and has paused ads and recommendations features in Russia and Ukraine. Microsoft is helping Ukraine defend against cyber attacks. They've removed RT, Sputnik, etc. from the Windows Store and their Start platform. I don't even know what that is. And today they suspended sales of hardware and software in Russia. Also today,

both Intel and AMD announced they have halted all chip sales in Russia and Belarus. YouTube followed Meta in pausing monetization for Russian-affiliated media channels last week. Videos from blocked channels will appear less often in recommendations. And following a request from Ukraine, RT and other channels are no longer accessible in the country. Apple halted sales, pulled Russian state media apps from the App Store, and disabled traffic reports on Apple Maps in Ukraine to deter tracking there. Many game publishers, including EA, CD Projekt Red, and others, have halted sales in Russia and Belarus.

There are many more examples. It appears that any company still conducting business as usual with Russia is now the exception, not the norm. We are no longer working with any Russia or Belarus-based entities, and we are not shipping LTT store products to Russia or Belarus. That was set up earlier this week. It's not huge, but for our part, we're just kind of looking at it going, well, it seems like the correct thing to do.

So there you have it. Something that I feel like a lot of people are getting confused about here is that just because we're condemning what's going on right now, this totally unprovoked invasion of Ukraine doesn't mean that there aren't other horrible things happening in the world and that we do approve of those things, just to be very clear. And that there hasn't been other horrible things that have happened in the past uh any we approve of those either any violence towards civilians you know what honestly i'll take it further uh any violence is you know harming another human being i i don't think there's a major religion on earth that's like yeah you should definitely harm other human beings like i i'm pretty sure like as a species we've all kind of agreed for a long time that it's not cool but um you know hey people in power they do it anyway uh and that sucks it's kind of where i'm on that yeah yeah it's, it's been rough.

The Russian ruble fell 30% in value on Monday. Apparently, it hasn't fallen further because MOEX, the Moscow Stock Exchange, has been closed all week. This is an Anthony Young note. Notably, on Monday, a Ukrainian official sent a letter to ICAN requesting they block Russian domains. Today, they responded that they won't be able to as they have no sanction levying authority saying essentially i can has been built to ensure that the internet works not for its coordination role to be used to stop it from working yep russia blocked access to facebook in the country russia is blocking many western

media based western media based outlets uh so bbc BBC reporting to using shortwave radio, just like in World War II. That's hilarious. Elon apparently sent Starlink stuff to Ukraine, which I thought was not necessarily a huge, you know, starry-eyed fan of Mr. Musk, but that's a cool move. Good move.

Good move. In a decent amount of places in Ukraine right now, that's the only form of communications that are reliably working. He's also made it so that you can use it on moving vehicles and stuff, which I do not believe was possible before. Cool. So that's pretty sweet. There's also been this feud going on between Elon and Roscosmos, the Russian space agency. Oh.

There's been a few different things. There was a threat, more or less, from the Russian space agency saying like, hey, we could drop the ISS. Because Russia's generally, they have, oh, I'm going to say something wrong here. I'm sorry. But as far as my understanding goes, they are in control of thrust, basically, keeping it up there. And he was like, if we're no longer able to do this because of various reasons like sanctions and all this kind of stuff, who's going to? It'll just drop out of the sky. It might drop in Europe.

It might drop in the US. It doesn't fly over Russia. It's not a problem to us. And apparently Elon just responded with a SpaceX logo. up it might drop in the u.s it doesn't fly over russia it's not a problem to us um and apparently elon just responded with a spacex logo and apparently they've already figured out how to just like click in dragon modules there's gonna have to be some like adapters made and stuff but they can do it um and then there was another thing saying like oh well you're like you're you're not gonna be able to get people into space anymore like russia has always gotten people into space

and that's that's true. Generally people have flown on Russian rockets. Yeah. And then Elon again was like, we'll do it. So I think this has been quite beneficial for SpaceX, to be completely honest. True Scott says, Linus, the vast majority of Russians do not appear to be in support of the war,

even a large number in the Russian army. So don't hate on Russians. Hate on that bleeped word, Putin. Fair enough. Yeah. I mean, I have never said you should hate on Russians. Russians, the people, no problem. Yeah.

The individuals, be they Russian or not, who are launching missiles at civilians, well, they're monsters. But unfortunately, we're not in a position to do anything. The only way that anyone else can put pressure on the Russian government is to put pressure on Russia, the country. And unfortunately, the Russian citizens are caught in the crossfire here. the russian government is to put pressure on russia the country and unfortunately the russian citizens are caught in the crossfire here so at the end of the day the only people who can do anything about the regime that is leading their country are the people who live there i can't yeah so that's where we're at. Yeah. Yep.

You don't hold the people accountable for the leaders' actions, you know? Anyway, in other news, NVIDIA hacked DLSS source code, leaked. Maybe Switch 2, question mark? Yeah, this is pretty rough. They've now confirmed that they were hacked uh la la p s u s dollar sign lapsus i don't know uh is claiming responsibility apparently they made off with one terabyte of data demanding nvidia releases their drivers as

open source and distribute under a foss license um they also want mining limiters turned off, of course. If they don't, they've threatened to leak chipset files, graphics... Can I just say, I called it. Do you remember? Do you remember when I was like, hey, the mining limiter, when there's this many billions

with a B, when there's this many billions of dollars at play, it's a matter of time until someone gets bribed or something. Nothing can keep that mining limiter in place. Yeah, I think this wasn't the exact way that we expected it to happen.

Nope. It sure is happening. We also don't know exactly how they were hacked. The mechanism could have been social engineering. We don't know that. Yeah. Anyway, carry on. on yeah they also want the mining limiter turned off if they don't they've been threatened to leak chipset files graphics and silicon info uh for existing and upcoming gpus they've already leaked some names ada hopper or well known but blackwell is new tech power up was handed a list of files claiming to be the DLSS source code.

Apparently it looks credible enough. Includes a programming guide document that makes sense of the code. Data miners found references to NVN2 and NX in the source code. NVN2 is thought to be the Switch Graphics API. NX is the Switch code name. It also includes references to T234 and T239 chips, which are Ampere based SOCs. And some of the data goes back as far as 2019,

which is when the switch programmers started. Wow. Also, yeah, it has now been added to the dock because this happened, I believe very recently. So I'm, I'm actually,

I'm happy that it's in the dock. I'm just kind of surprised. It's good. It's good. It's in the dock. It's not good that it happened. Because docsing, this is the same thing. As we were just talking about, how you shouldn't be hating on the Russians, right?

This is the same thing. NVIDIA hackers apparently leaked the credentials for 71,355 employees. That's not what to do. No. It's not. What credentials? employees that's not what to do no it's not what credentials i'm not 100 email addresses i mean if they're just nvidia email addresses those are easy enough to get it was my understanding before the show that it was like personal information if it is just email addresses that's still i mean it's annoying uh but i thought it was like actual

personal information nvidia also only has like more like in the neighborhood of 20 000 employees according to the tom's hardware article about this so interesting i haven't i mean i haven't seen the information myself so i don't know what exactly it is um the hacking group is also asking for a million dollars for access to nvidia's light hash rate cryptocurrency mining limiter uh so i guess we'll see if anyone pays that i suspect it's a matter of time before someone does what's gonna happen if nvidia, we might see more cyber attacks. If they don't, how useful could the chipset files and other information be to competing brands?

Oh, very useful. Like the source code for DLSS, if I'm NVIDIA, I'm absolutely quaking in my boots. They do have a hardware component that makes it more difficult to compete with. But my belief is that access to the source code for DLSS would give engineers at competitors like AMD or Intel, or even like a Qualcomm, for example,

would give them a lot of hints as to what they need to do in their hardware to utilize this software. I was going to say, like, even if you don't use, say you don't copy paste any part of it uh the ability for that source code to expand your knowledge base is enormous oh yeah yeah utterly enormous so this is this is intense this is this is one of this is maybe bigger than the twitch leak i was gonna say this is one of the biggest hits i've like ever seen like this is this is actually crazy um and a terabyte

might not sound like that much if we're talking about you know video blu-ray rips a terabyte of code there's a lot of code uh is that uh i don't know that it's all code no we don't know that it's all code but if it is that's a there's a lot of code it's an enormous there's like no way that's a lot of code but but there's clearly a lot of it in there um yeah and i and i don't think it's like all videos so it's got to be just a monstrous amount of data this is this is absolutely crazy um lapsus you gotta be gotta be terrified of them boys um them people epic games buys band camp is this news it's weird like why it's really weird i think that's basically everyone's response to it was like huh what yeah i don't know. I thought Bandcamp was owned by Apple. Oh, that's a different Bandcamp.

That's like Bandcamp the software for making music. Yeah, there's like other more different Bandcamp. Yeah. Independent music platform. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so you didn't even know what band camp was actually literally more weird twitch chat is half oh no garage band never mind never mind garage band is the software

half of twitch is like what's band camp and the other half is like oh i love band camp what even is this indie music platform okay i had yeah i had no clue bandcamp is famous for being one of the best platforms for independent music that provides artists with an average 82 percent revenue share that's pretty cool whoa the rest is split between bandcamp and payment processors that uh doesn't fit with the split that epic games takes yeah that could be interesting unlike many other platforms band camp takes 15 by default but actually drops their cut once an artist makes over five thousand dollars annually this is to enable artists to make the transition from hobbyist to professional that's pretty cool

during the pandemic band camp introduced a program called band camp fridays where the company waived its revenue share for all sales on the platform to artists who were unable to tour i haven't heard of these guys but they sound freaking cool yeah this is awesome i love it um but why in the press release epic states that they have a vision to build out a creator marketplace ecosystem for content, technology, games, art, and music, and more. Could Epic want Bandcamp for their backend and web store fronts?

Maybe to help improve the awful Epic game store. That's fair. Or could this be related to Unreal Engine's ever-growing presence in Hollywood? Perhaps Epic has much larger media aspirations dude epic does so much stuff like epic worked on i don't remember the name of the system but i was watching a video on it recently where um there's architects like legitimately using vr as part of their workflow now yeah you know how like in a lot of different

spaces vr has been used in these like uh demos yeah yeah but it wasn't like it was mostly to like kind of show off to clients yeah this is like legitimate use of vr in an architecture space because they're using uh unreal oh i see and they're like actually they're they built some system where they can import their i don't know what it is cad or whatever of these these buildings or these giant spaces and they're making it so you can walk through them right because a big problem that they had with the cad designs on a computer is when you tried to like enter the building it doesn't really feel like you're doing it yeah so the experience of the architecture was hard to mentally absorb right yep um it makes a lot of sense and you add like new unreal features to it and actually looks really good and it's like okay that's pretty cool uh so yeah i don't know epic like they do a lot of stuff

they don't just do games so maybe it makes sense yeah had never heard of bandcamp before apparently it's pretty darn cool so sweet rivian bumps their prices up by 20 people get mad rivian says never mind i saw snazzy was yeah snazzy was all over this super mad to be clear i mean yeah i'd be i'd be mad if you if you say the price is you know whatever and not that long ago and you go on a big media tour, and you say the price is that, and you have everybody saying what a great deal your truck is, and then you jack up the price by 20% because a deposit for a reservation is not a down payment.

It's just a reservation. Yeah, it's a little disingenuous, I guess, would be the best word for that. This is yet another reminder of why you shouldn't pre-order. Do people have reservations for Cybertruck, right? Doesn't Nick? I think so. I think he does. That's a thing, right?

I think so. Was F-150 Lightning even announced when that reservation went in? I don't think so. It's like out now. Yeah, you can buy, assuming you can find one in stock. Theoretically, you can buy one. That's a bit of a problem. Doug DeMuro called it out in his review.

The truck is way too cheap. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. What else we got here? So this wasn't just new orders. The price hike included all current reservation holders. Yep. News came alongside announcement of a dual motor all wheel drive variant of the R1S SUV

and R1T pickup trucks. Um, Rivian basically blamed it on inflationary pressures, increasing component costs, unprecedented supply chain shortages and delays which is fair enough customers were peeved began canceling their pre-orders in droves and they rolled back the price hike on pre-orders as of march 1st and are offering customers who canceled their pre-orders the ability to reinstate them so that's good there's a discussion question saying will rivian be able to build back uh consumer trust after trying to pull this charade yeah uh probably they said never mind yeah and if the product is ultimately great then i feel like i mean okay i shouldn't say this because i don't really understand truck buyers very well like i'm not it's it's a hard mindset

for me to put myself in as someone who doesn't own a truck and will never own a truck i just don't really get it so maybe maybe you guys just need to tell us will will rivian get your trust back like as someone who doesn't have a pre-order in i'm not that mad if i had a pre-order and i'd have been pretty mad the reason why i think i the reason why i said that i believe it'll be okay is because the sentiment that i've seen online so far is kind of like uh okay like people were super angry and then they said oh never mind you're fine and if you canceled the order you can reinstate it and you'll still be fine we'll honor your previous price everything's okay and then the whole interwin it kind of went all right on to the next thing like the amount of care doesn't seem to be super strong anymore so i think they kind

of clawed that back probably fine so yeah i i wasn't mad because i don't have one but i also don't have one because i just like you're not gonna pre-order i'm not yeah i'm not gonna i don't put down deposits for vehicles that don't exist yet that's not gonna be a thing that sounds like a pretty good way to go. Well, I mean, the flip side of it is that if I'm like a snazzy or something like that, I saw a tweet from him like a while back saying that I think it was his Model 3

like paid for itself in the videos he did about it or like almost did or something like that. So I could see why he might, you know, put in an order and be mad if it's going to cost 20 grand more than he expected that's of course gosh darn it that's another video he's gonna have i don't i don't know if he's making 20 grand on a single video probably not but i i don't know like car content would help if you joined flowplane finally yeah maybe car content apparently drives like massive massive um cpms

for some people we haven't seen it so i don't really get it but i've heard from other car creators that car videos are just like stonks cpms i feel like you'd have to do it more often yeah maybe maybe i don't know maybe we're just too like pigeonholed into the tech The newest crypto is Rivian Rivian Reservations, that's funny Do you have anything else? Do we do merch messages? Yeah, we should do them Now's your last chance to get in a merch message If it doesn't come in

Like real soon, we're not going to do it Nick says, looking forward to Reading the ABCs of Gaming with my daughter What are your thoughts on SAM on RX series AMD GPUs? I just got it running, and I'm unsure if it helps with my FPS. Does it depend on the game? S-A-M.

This is a thing I'm not familiar with yet. One moment, please. S-A-N... Oh, Smart Access Memory. That's right. It makes a small difference. There you go. And yes, it is heavily game-dependent.

Do-do-do-do-do-do! Archive! Josiah, what do you think of the ASRock server motherboards that take consumer-grade CPUs? I think it can make a ton of sense as long as you don't need features that are specific to server grade CPUs, like, say, for example, support for much greater amounts of memory and whatnot. It's like a huge differentiator, right? Yeah. Michael, will you be testing the Steam Deck with an external USB-C hub that supports both power

delivery and holds an NVMe? I haven't yet. I have tested it with hubs that have USB and Ethernet and power in, and it works with those. But I haven't tested it with one like that. That does sound pretty cool. Cheaper 2280 NVMe, still able to plug in and 3d print a holder so it would clip onto the deck seems like a cheaper option to add more storage with power delivery yeah that's uh that's a pretty cool use case why don't you make a video about it huh i'll shout it out on wancho hey

dawson if you did a budget build a thousand us dollars is the budget rig right now would you recommend the same things you did on your most recent budget build, or would you make any changes? Okay, so GPU prices seem to be falling. A little bit, yeah. ARK, theoretically, should be showing up imminently. I would say, hold on a second. I know, normally I say, buy what you can afford

at the time when you have the budget, and enjoy it, and don't look back, don't look forward time when you have the budget and enjoy it and don't don't look back don't look forward just you know focus on the now and enjoy yourself but that is not the case today today I am going to say I would wait a little bit I would hold off particularly on a GPU Nick how many cable ties do I need to buy to get a water-cooled steam deck video I mean it's honestly I think someone smaller and more agile than us is going to end up doing it first. We've got so much stuff in the queue right now,

and I just don't see how we're going to be first to market on that one. Anonymous. Linus or Luke, what are your thoughts on Pokemon? Slash, did you grow up with it? I'll let you handle this one. We both did, didn't we? I mean, I played, like, Pokemon Blue. I didn't watch the show. Did you you play did you do anything with cards nope what are your thoughts on pokemon

as a parent uh i think that as long as my kids don't waste too much money on it it's fine they like sorting their little cards and trading them with their friends i have only taken the pokemon cards away from them twice and both times it was because they were, once they were fighting about them and another time one of the cousins was over and made an unfavorable trade, evidently, and was really upset about it

and I was like, look, if it's a game where not everyone is having fun, is it a good game? No. Okay, Pokemon cards away. I don't want to see them for the rest of the weekend so that was that's about it that's my that's my parent stance yeah on pokemon cards as long as i don't fight about them i don't give two hoots i liked a lot i'm honestly i'm gonna put a hot take out there i'm very disappointed with modern pokemon games

like deeply disappointed and i deeply think they should like deeply be ashamed um like genuinely i think it's i think they have done nothing with one of the best ips that has ever been made um the games have really not evolved much further than they have been in the past people have made third-party games that are knockoffs of the pokemon ip in some cases just straight up doing it knowing that they're like pirating the ip that have been straight up doing it knowing that they're like pirating the ip that have been hugely successful and then crushed because they're stealing the ip obviously but it was hugely successful and the whole fan base that was playing it was like yes finally a pokemon game that isn't red and blue version 82 this is great and then they just close

it down and they make red and blue version 83 and it's really lame do something with your darn ip arceus or whatever it's called i haven't even played it i've heard from a lot of people that it is a fantastic game if you've never played open world games before and if you've ever played an open world game before it's terrible and i'm not surprised it also looks like it's 10 years old what are you doing right stop make something cool i don't know that's fair like think about the amount of money that pokemon go has made yeah has the feature set really evolved as much as it should have i like it no it hasn't okay stop it anyways I like it. No, it hasn't. Okay? Stop it. Anyways. Or better yet, don't stop it. Yeah. Bryson,

what are your thoughts on Bungie threatening to ban Destiny 2 players? Okay, sorry, sorry, one sec. Legends Arceus is actually a huge change to the classic formula. Yes, you're right. Finally. That should have happened like a decade ago. Don't kid yourself. Also, it's not enough. Sorry. Let's keep going

i saw a tweet earlier that we should do an ltt store oven mitt for our hot takes i think that's a great idea that'd be great so thoughts on bungie threatening to ban destiny 2 players for trying to play the game on steam deck so it is ironic to me for a game developer and the keyword is developer to be so closed-minded to have what almost feels like a kind of irrational normie fear of linux and linux users that's my perception of this i haven't dove into it enough. Is it just like an anti-cheat thing? Yeah, it's an anti-cheat thing. So I feel like there's this perception that if we try to support Linux, it will open the door to more cheating is sort of my guess. And on the one hand, that is sort of fair enough. Every platform that you have to support with your anti-cheat is another bunch of mitigations that you now have to deal with. But I also feel like there's just kind of

an unwillingness to tackle this, that this is stemming from, as opposed to an actual rational analysis of the reality that we're living in i i think it's a not good look for a company that just got acquired in like this battle that's going on between sony and microsoft toxic mantis says they will ban users who try to bypass anti-cheat anyone on steam deck will get put back in their game library so guys maybe get us a little bit of maybe get us a little bit of clarification on that one in the chat sorry guys we don't have a ton of detail on this because it's just like a merch message that someone sent so two things from flowplane chat one person said pokemon goes money mostly goes to nantick not the pokemon

company yeah then they i think they haven't done enough with it i don't care who's behind it and the pokemon company has plenty of money yes they literally print it yeah if you could have okay if you could have a machine that prints dollar bills or if you could have a machine that prints pokemon cards which would you take oh the pokemon obviously yeah like it's worth more than a dollar bill it's actually a money printing machine there's also another person that said Lapsus has another data leak from Samsung. Apparently 190 gigabytes, including stuff to unlock the bootloaders. Oh, wow. Spicy.

That group is going nuts. This is going to go down in history. Wow. Oh, wow. Apparently Bungie's anti-cheat and filters ban people for using utilities and like hardware monitoring software and stuff oh wow that's pretty stupid okay uh michael b steam deck looks sick i put in my reservation for one do you think the steam deck will get support for windows 10 and 11 yes it will uh anonymous. Anonymous. I love all the

products you guys develop. I know you get a lot of questions about upcoming merch that people want to see. My question is, are there any products you have already looked into in the past but can 100% confirm you will never offer in the store? Huh. A product we will

never offer. No? Why would you commit to something like that yeah i i don't think there's anything that we've confirmed we will i mean there's stuff we will probably never offer i don't think we have industrial fishing boats yeah i don't think we can contribute a whole lot to the fashion jewelry industry i don't know if i'd say that uh that might happen yeah i don't know yeah hard to say i mean we don't want to yeah we don't want to close the door on anything we want to we want to keep exploring new ideas so someone in in chat has challenged me confirmed thanks twitch chat never change uh yeah someone in chat has challenged me on my Pokemon Go innovation thing. I have a really easy example,

just literally off the top of my head. They've based all the nodes in Pokemon Go off of... Is Niantic the name of the company? What is the name of the original game that they made that I played a billion years ago? I'm trying to find it. Why can I not remember that? Ingress. Oh oh right uh all the nodes are based off ingress this was this was like i remember when pokemon go first came out i did like no research on it i saw it on my phone i went for a hike because i was like i want to find like geo dude because geo dude's one of my

favorite pokemon yeah so i'm gonna go for a hike i found like three pokemon on the entire hike and then figured out that you're supposed to go to like McDonald's because that's where the freaking things are. I'm like, this doesn't make any sense for the Pokemon universe for on launch. Sure. That kind of makes sense. The fact that it's still based on Ingress nodes at this point, or at least most of them are, I haven't been keeping up with it, is crazy. How is it not based on trails and parks and

like all the stuff that pokemon is supposed to be freaking based on if you play the games this whole time it makes no sense and it sucks and that is so solvable dude they made so much money you should be mad if you're a fan you should be mad i play pokemon go with my family we play like every summer i kind of quit in the winters then when it's like good weather to go walk around we all play together and i like it for that it's cool it's also nowhere near where it should be that's fair okay that's fair sorry um glad you're enjoying your expensive edition pillows stervel and uber fuzzy says he did say never children's clothing because regulations no i said not glad you're enjoying your expensive edition pillows Sturville and Uber Fuzzy says he did say never children's clothing because

regulations no I said not children's clothing now because we're not insured for it that's where I'm at on that Mr. Mineheads says condoms question mark it is very unlikely that we would do anything that has that kind of liability there's got to be intense liability with that

or maybe there isn't I mean if you just say like hey it's not 100 then well i guess you're the guess you're the unlucky one got him every 100th one has a hole poked through it kyle says if color accuracy of monitors drift over time do camera sensors too can you color calibrate a camera sensor yes and yes if for in general it's not really necessary, but for scientific use, absolutely. You would need to calibrate any kind of sensor. Ace A, Linus, I've been wanting to ask you about your raccoon story

since in an earlier stream pre-Wan show with the one true Jake. What is it? Your story with raccoons. Oh, crap. What is my raccoon story? I don't remember. Your raccoon story.

I'm sorry. I don't remember. I do remember saying I was going to tell a raccoon story, but I don't remember the context of what we were talking about. Yeah, I don't know. And I don't remember the story. I can't even give you any context clues because i don't remember either i don't remember what it had to do with at all

huh all right oh i'm sorry guys ryan says hey linus and luke what's two or what two what would be the feature you're each most excited about for the upcoming LTT backup? I'm assuming he means backpack. Oh, backpack. Most excited about? I don't know. The... Backup.

Are you sure? I don't know well i like if we if we stick with backup what does that mean i don't know i'm not sure that's why i just well we're we're working on that data restoration thing from the vault what feature are you most excited about for that yeah i don't know that's why that's the that's all i had we all you haven't uh responded to that email by the way i know okay i know i'm way behind on my emails okay yeah uh i like that the size is right can fit a ton of stuff in it but it like perfectly fits under an airline seat which i benchmarked on my last uh flight yeah that's great that that i think would probably it still fits a ton of stuff

but isn't as ginormous as my current bag would probably be a big benefit for it as well because i yeah like if i go on a plane with my current bag there's no way it doesn't even remotely fit under the seat it has to go in overhead compartment with everyone else's like full luggage right yeah so i don't know uh oh someone asked something that i thought was a good question. How's the vault going? Vault restoration is actually going really well. Wendell's helping, so you know that that's, like, OP.

Garrett says, I love the neon design. How do you think Steam Deck will affect the desktop Linux market share in general? Oh, a lot. I think a lot of gamers are going to run SteamOS. Like 100%. I think basically every other gaming distro. See you later, buddy. Are you going to do any content

on running it on a standard desktop instead of a Steam Deck? I think that what I'm actually more tempted to do is run it on something like an Ayanio. Like I want to run it on competing handhelds because even though the current ioneo is not uh is is not competitive with the steam deck in terms of price to performance i think that smaller companies like a gpd or like aya like a 1x player i think that those guys are probably going to iterate faster. And like PCs to consoles,

a console like a Steam Deck might come out and be the king for price to performance. And PCs might start to make up ground while a console has this longer development cycle. So I'd be really interested to see what it's like to run Steam Deck software on one of these other consoles. And the fact that Valve is being so open about everything is so cool I mean I shouldn't say it's that cool like they profit

from it either way but it's cool that unlike the other companies that profit from you buying games either way they're being sensible about it that's cool I'm reading in fill paint chat that potentially wendell is running steam os that's cool wendell runs like everything but that's cool i think that's the kind of thing that wendell would do but um i don't think it's like ready to freaking rock for just your average user yet that's my understanding of its current status i'm still waiting to hear back from right wendell's also like os agnostic so he's probably just checking out because he's interested yeah steam os xbox how cool would that be chris says hey guys been watching since the langley house days keep up the excellent work i just picked up a pair of bone

conduction headphones and i've been enjoying them. Just curious what your opinions are. Everyone that I've tried doesn't sound good enough for me to be willing to accept the trade-off. I think Conrad runs them. Really? Conrad, if you're in chat, I think you do. H. Christoph, I'm talking about Wendell from Level One Techs. Gregory, buying gift cards for the future backpack release okay all right is there a spot for an air tag and maybe a lambo pink interior color in the future i don't think

we have an air tag spot but we probably should air tag spot for backpack the second part of his question is also Luke, have you ever considered allowing musicians to use flow plane as an online ticketed concert streaming service? They could right now we have, we have garbage time on the platform who it's extremely entertaining. I mostly, unfortunately I have to watch his VODs cause I can't always watch his streams because they happened like right in the middle of my work day and i usually can't do that but um there it's fantastic and his his whole channel is like exclusively music so

yeah why not jacob i believe alex is planning to cover the kia ev6 uh don't quote me on that but i'm pretty sure he is. Christopher, been a fan since OG Kitchen. Love you guys. Question, do you ever think certain components will be fast enough? Will there be a time when the focus will be on size and power only, not raw performance being the leading stat for consumer gear? I mean, I think that happened already. Look at phones.

Definitely has. Right? That was that shift from computing needing to be about go faster faster faster faster faster to okay this is good enough laptops tablets phones actually went laptops phones tablets but whatever that's not the point yeah i think it already happened because you're you have to consider various use cases right so the the like internet browser music player email or word editing use case that a lot of people have uh picture editing very basic video editing that kind of stuff is coverable by relatively low-end hardware at this point yeah and a lot of people are only doing that once you end

once you uh bring high-end stuff into, whether it's like high-end video editing or gaming or whatever else, that's where your top end kind of blows up. Engadget says that if you try to run Destiny 2 on the Steam Deck, you could get banned. But ban those players who try to circumvent the restriction. Okay, so maybe you have to actually try to circumvent the restriction. Okay, so maybe you have to actually try to circumvent the restriction.

I'm not sure. It seems pretty brutal to just outright ban anyone that tries to launch it. But then it also might be hard for them to tell the difference between someone who's just trying to launch it on Steam. It doesn't seem that hard to tell the difference. I don't know. I don't know enough about anti-cheat to speak authoritatively, so I'm just going to not talk about it.

Pirate or Ninja? Asks Paul H. I'm going to go Ninja. Thanks for the order. Andrew says, Hi Linus, thanks for the great merch. Hey, no problem. Do you think shelling out $200 plus is worth it for a Thunderbolt 4 dock?

Well, if you need a Thunderbolt dock, that's pretty much what they cost. I run dual external monitors with my XPS 15 and I'm plugging two USB-C dongles and a C charger is a pain. Have a great show. So, I mean, yeah, it just comes down to how much is that one cable solution worth to you? It's certainly convenient. Thunderbolt's amazing. But I think a lot of people would say, yeah, two cables is fine. And a dongle. Jeff says, got my first LTT underwear last week. They ain't cheap, but dang, they're good. Question, when Windows 11, oh, you got two more packs.

Nice. We see that so often. One pack, two more packs. Because that's the right amount for a full week and then a little bit of a buffer. Yeah. When Windows 11 came out, I heard it was not good for gaming. Needed optimization, bug fixing, whatever.

How has that evolved? My understanding is it's in pretty reasonable shape now, but it's still early in the Windows 11 lifecycle and there's nothing wrong with sticking with Windows 10 for the time being. I have a little bit of interesting Windows 11 news. Yeah. Mr. Sam, I got your your message people have gotten around the requirement

to log into an account thing really uh i don't think i should say how because i had a super annoying experience today i installed windows 11 on sarah's machine not only did it require me to log into an account but before we were connected to the internet and wi-fi drivers weren't included with windows conveniently so i had to go get a switch i called this out on there was no way to i called this out i was so mad yeah that's a windows is terrible with that so it's just gonna be a problem yeah so um i don't think i want to call it out because i don't want them to fix it oh i see but i'll they're just gonna fix it anyway okay i don't know the exact uh mechanism

for doing it but there's a thing where you go in purposefully with no internet and then you do a command line thing oh interesting tell the computer like to force it to think something's going on and then you can get through it's so annoying yeah jacob says luke what are some tech companies that you would consider developing for if you were not at lmg i just got my cs degree in december and looking for interesting new places to apply keep up the good work bought an expensive edition pillow dang celebrating the new job before you got it. Enjoy the pillow. I have no idea. Come on, you can be a little more imaginative than that.

I have suggested to people that are Canadians to apply at Shopify. I know two different people that work there, and they have personally told me that they have had very good experiences. So, I don't know. But yeah, I mean, I haven't looked in a long time. So I don't know. My aspirations when I was growing up was to be a part of a game development studio. That sounds awful these days.

Yeah. And the one that I wanted to join has been really terrible. So I don't know, dude. And I know that's like an annoying answer, but I'm not sure. I would, knowing, better understanding my personality as I've grown up, I would probably try to find some small team that was making something new and...

Like really different? Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of that and you can genuinely find those things there's tons of startups out there so i would probably do that type of stuff i actually man i really love the more doing things the old way projects these days and i think that's just because i'm like getting old there's a game that i saw that I'm really excited about. I haven't researched it nearly enough. So, you know, maybe my excitement is totally unjustified.

But here, I'll bring it up and I'll show it to you. Oh, it's called Sea of Stars. And it looks amazing. Someone in chat said, LOL, I'm glad you didn't work for Blizzard. That's funny. I was actually talking about another bee company. Oh, I thought you were talking about Blizzardizzard oh right right right elder scrolls fanboy yeah until it went oh yeah um stars you said yeah the art style just looks so beautiful and like

it looks amazing oh i do like the art it's's a retro-inspired turn-based RPG, very Chrono Trigger inspired. I'd jump on this in a heartbeat. Yeah, it looks awesome. It does. I really enjoyed CrossCode, which is another sort of similar thing where it's modern gaming advancements

applied to a more retro aesthetic. Really, really enjoyed it. Once I scrolled down, I saw the playable characters. I really like that art. That's fantastic. Yeah, so I'm super excited for that. Is this, like, out? No. No, it's still in development right now. Okay, yeah. Yeah, so I'll...

I've got it in my stuff I want to do Trello spot. Yeah, I don't know. I'm very business-y apparently. Liz says, hopefully getting my Steam deck next week. What's the best game you've played on the deck so far?

Well, that's the great thing about the deck is that the games are as good as the games are. The deck doesn't determine what games you can, I mean, it does, you know, from a compatibility standpoint, but any game that will run on the deck should theoretically be a pretty darn good experience on the deck.

If I could add something, potentially, what is the best experience deck-wise you've had so far? Because you mentioned there was problems with Horizon Zero Dawn. I'm still really enjoying it. Okay. Yeah, that's the game I've put the most hours into on the deck, for sure. Yeah, yeah, I'd say i'm i'm i'm really enjoying it i mean the fact that it runs at all is such a just computing miracle to me that i sort of forgive the crashes so i'm an atypical consumer in that sense sure yeah christopher says my wife would

like to know why there isn't any branding or design on the women's clothing since that's what she would like to purchase i had a really interesting um debate conversation i don't know what to call it with the ladies in the creator warehouse team when we had our merch meeting this week where i was pretty surprised by that too i'm sorry my girlfriend was pretty surprised by that too. Okay. So what I said was I was also surprised because I did not know about our first few women's apparel projects until they literally landed in our office. Oh. I was not aware of them at all. And it was not my expectation that they would be the things that they were. I did not know that they were in development. And the problem here is that as not a woman, I'm not really, you know, I don't want to mansplain what women want, right?

but as someone who has had my fingers on the pulse of this community for 13 years i feel like i know what our audience is asking for i know what my woman is asking for and what yvonne wants is what i have but fits her yeah and that was what i was expecting And I feel like what we did instead was equally valid. We tried to make a like good as heck the thing that is like trendy right now and and and popular and so i feel like those are two very valid um approaches and i feel like and this is kind of what i said during the meeting is i feel like we um we might have subverted the expectations of many of our viewers and we might have made something for our customer that we haven't really figured out a business model to address yet. Because in my mind, that's the customer buying just high quality,

like trendy merch from us, for a female doing that, is a different customer from who we might want to address first, which would be viewers viewers of ltt who have been looking at the mail merge for so long going yeah i'd really just like one of those but i was i was expecting and sos yeah i was expecting like couples photos level stuff you know it's the same thing but it fits us both properly um and and to be clear when i said my girlfriend was

wondering about that too she wasn't like why isn't it there i wish it was there yeah i was just surprised yeah um and yvonne was the same way and uh one in particular that yvonne's really jazzed about is that um that 3d printed like uh liner jacket that i've been wearing the early samples of for the last like few months she's like I want one of those and um the design that I the initial design that I got from the merch team was like a women's style jacket and I told Yvonne that and she was like oh because she just wants the one that I have but like fitted and so I think there's two sort of very different sort of camps here and i feel like what we need to do is we need to figure out what we're because at the end of the day we're

going to have to address both but we need to figure out our order of operations here and um it's hard because you also don't want like 10 billion skews and things get things get difficult difficult yeah and like we had this interesting debate around what is a standard sweat pant right um so my understanding was well it would be not low rise and not high waist it would be like the middle and they're like well it doesn't really work that way because particularly in women's fashion it is like this will be the standard and then this one is the standard and then this one is the standard and it's like cyclical like that yeah and then my response to that well it was like well yeah but is it sort

of a self-perpetual is it a is it a perpetual motion machine does everyone buy this and then everyone makes only this and then that's the only thing you can buy because that's one of the things that um Yvonne talks about a lot is how difficult it is for her to buy clothing because her tastes are her tastes and she doesn't care what's trendy do you remember empire waist like tops they look like maternity clothes i remember empire i don't remember them saying basically they were like they had like a bust here and then they were tight around here, and then flowy under there. I remember the, yeah. Yeah, so for a period of four years, Yvonne couldn't buy a shirt that fit her.

And it was just stupid, right? I did not like those. That was one of my least favorite periods. Yeah, anyways. Anyway, the point is that what I was trying to say was, well, maybe there there's another way of maybe we could just make the standard one and then it's like well hold on a second you can't use the word standard I'm like that's totally fair yeah who decides who the standard one is am I mansplaining women's fashion right like so I'm just kind of sitting here going I don't know what the answer is actually I do know what the answer is the answer is as the only other person

in this building who actually signs checks i think yvonne is going to work with the merch team and talk to them about the women's stuff because what i think she brings to the table is that understanding of our community and yeah no it totally makes sense even if she's not the be all and end all of our customers i think she she understands our community and she at least buys women's clothing whereas i don't like that's another thing too is i feel like we have to kind of speak to um the the uh the 98 of you who are supposedly male according to youtube's internal stats that they provide us who might be buying something for an SO and choosing something to, you know, do like a couples matching thing or whatever the case may be. So that's kind of where I'm at. Danger Panic says, excuse me, but Yvonne absolutely is the

BLN doll. Thank you very much. Not really. I mean, we do need to address her, but she's sort of got an unusual figure and is, you know, a millennial like me, not exactly, you know, a young kid anymore with the trendiest taste, right? Like Yvonne and I both understand that we're not the BLN dolly. A lot of the time when I give feedback, it's really around fit. It's around quality. It's around comfort. I, a lot of the time I'll say, look, I like that color, but ultimately I leave this to you guys,

right? Like I, you got to let experts be experts. Yeah. And so that's where I just, how, what am I, how am I supposed to comment on the fit of a women's garment?

What do I know? I might have wide childbearing hips, but I certainly don't have breasts. Right. So it's tough. Yeah. All right. Uh, I can say she has an unusual figure on broadcast i mean i i think that you have never heard those two roast each other before i i have watch the i

don't even mean it as a roast i think she's got especially for mother of three she's rocking so like that's pretty unusual i'm just saying like if if that fazed you, go watch The Roast. Yeah, no kidding. I think it's pretty unusual to be 35 with three kids and looking like that. I'll say that much. All right. I think that's pretty much it for The WAN Show today. We will see you again next week.

Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye!