The WAN Show - New Graphics Cards to Rain on PS5 Parade - WAN Show June 19, 2020

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My friends in high places have called me, and they told me this is a great show. It's a great show. It's a great show, and with great things in it. First up, we've got Raspberry Pi, now with PCI Express expansion. That's right. You can install a PCIe card in a Raspberry Pi,

as long as you're willing to, like... Well, we'll talk about it later, but it ain't easy. In other news boston dynamics is spot robot now on sale yes my friends for the low low price of just 74 500 us dollars you could buy yourself a boston dynamics robo dog what else we got there's a 3dD NES emulator that was released on Steam, of all things. And AMD confirms Ryzen XT chips launches B550 chipset. Fun. Also, in other news, YouTube's live streaming stuff is still hot garbage.

Warning, please check the video resolution. The current resolution is 1920 by 1080, which is not optimal. What are you talking about what's wrong with it that sounds perfectly optimal it sounds pretty fantastic just like this segway to our intro wow bang got it oh wow we went and put the ps5 graphics card stuff in the title and thumbnail and then didn't Wow. Smooth. Bang. Got it. Oh, wow. We went and put the PS5 graphics card stuff in the title and thumbnail and then didn't even talk about it as a headline topic. Oops.

I was trying to remember what was in there. Yeah. We'll talk about that first. We'll talk about that first. It's going to be good. It's going to be good. You'll like it. The show today is brought to you by Honey, Pulseway, and Displate.

Why plate when you can Displate oh my yes all right so the big news for pc gamers and quite honestly gamers in general is rtx 3090 3080 and titan specs leaked so the original article here is from, well, actually there's a lot of articles about it over on Hot Hardware, WCCFTech, OC3D.net. But basically what it looks like is NVIDIA is going to be shaking up their branding a little bit. I'm gonna go ahead and pull up

the WCCFTech article here and getting rid of TI and maybe super, but probably not super because super is one of those things that kind of comes later, maybe. But it seems to be that NVIDIA has found consumers are having a hard time differentiating between what constitutes a TI and what constitutes a super. And I should probably clarify i pronounce ti wrong according to nvidia according to them it is tie which i think is the stupidest thing ever because tie

is spelt t-i-e both both like real world ties and fictional ties like tie fighters are spelled T-I-E. So if you wanted to call it titanium, I could get behind that. You know, you got your periodic table of elements. You got your symbol for titanium there. You got a T-I, no problem. Get behind that, absolutely. But unless it's titanium, which actually apparently it is,

that's what it's short for. So I guess like tie is sort of like short for apparently it is, that's, that's what it's short for. So I guess like tie is sort of like short for titanium. Okay. There's a justification. I just went and undid my own argument. I still hate it. It's TI. And didn't you know all that already though? Yeah. Yeah. I did. I just forgot. Sometimes I know things, but then I forget them. It's, it happens a lot. And then sometimes I remember them while I'm in the middle of talking. And then I realized I sound like an idiot. I was like so ready to swoop in.

You just cut me off and countered your own argument. Yep. I destroyed myself. I'm tired of other people doing it, you know? It's like the eight mile rap battle where you just like went after yourself before the other rapper could and just won because of that. Oh, no. I have never seen 8 Mile. It's actually, well, I haven't seen it since it came out, but I liked it a lot when it came out.

It was a long time ago. All right. So let's talk about the specs. So according to the leaks, the RTX 3080. So we would expect based on current generation pricing, let's just have a quick look here. We would expect that to come in around the sort of thousand dollar-ish and low price point. So you can get an RTX 2080 Super for kind of $700. So that's US. So that would be around 900 something Canadian dollars, somewhere in that neighborhood. So that is rumored to have the same number of CUDA cores,

so 4352, as the 2080 Ti. And depending on how much they're able to ramp clock speeds up, that could mean that for around 700 US dollars, you could be looking at more like $ 1200 you know current gen performance that's not a bad little uplift that also assumes of course that nvidia doesn't go ahead and bring us this next generation of graphics card at higher performance and then proportionally higher prices i wouldn't put it past them the rtx 3090 So this sounds like the direct replacement for the 2080 Ti will apparently have 5,248 CUDA cores. That's about 20% more than the 2080 Ti. So a combination of clock speed improvements and architectural improvements

should result in significantly better performance. We're also looking at faster memory. Apparently GDDR6X with a 384-bit bus for the 3090. result in significantly better performance we're also looking at faster memory apparently gddr6x with a 384-bit bus for the 3090 and for full specs apparently i need to just take a look at the charts on one of the websites here not video cards because that one doesn't have a chart so why don't we try uh oc3d.net what do you think about them using 90? I think it's lame because 90 used to mean dual GPU

Dual GPU We might have just boomered ourselves there a little bit Okay boomer, 90 means whatever way to go idiot Because they haven't done it in a while but 90 definitely meant dual GPU They haven't done it since the 690

and since then it's just been 80s and but 90 definitely meant dual GPUs. They haven't done it since the 690. And since then, it's just been 80s and TIs. And this is kind of a, it is kind of a bigger change than it might initially feel like because 8 has been associated with NVIDIA's high end for, wow, a very long time. we can go all the way back to i think for geforce 4000 series it topped out at 4600 just a quick heads up as well apparently youtube is dead for a bunch of people oh okay nothing i can do about that other than tell people, hey, why don't you go ahead and subscribe on Floatplane?

Yes! Woo, Floatplane! You can also go watch on Twitch for free. Hey! Hey, got him. Okay, so the last time NVIDIA didn't make it all the way to 8, I guess, would have been like GeForce 4000 series. I think the 4600 Ti was the top end then don't quote me on that this is like pre me being into like like hardcore gaming um and then they definitely had a high end for the 5000 series so the 5800 and then they refreshed that with a like like basically like overclocked variant, the 5900 Ultra. So that's the last time I remember them using a nine sort of suffix on a high end single GPU card. After that, 6800 Ultra was the top end.

Then it was 70. Oh, no, I lied. There was a 7900 GTX. okay so maybe nvidia's real problem here isn't that they're abandoning a long tradition but rather that they just have no idea what they're doing when it comes yes when it comes to naming their products they're just making i will say i will say i think this is better do you if you ignore the past i think this is better and the 200 series had the 285 and then they just skipped 300 series there was i think well wasn't 300 uh uh like it was like oem only product yeah yeah like they rebranded some cheapo um to 200 series if i recall correctly yeah they were shoved in some oem pcs and then moved on there might have been like a mobile thing or something like that it was just obviously purely branding um no no new actual technology yeah pulling up the yeah go ahead what do you think of the

name scheme though i find it i think it's less confusing for sure well it's gonna be more confusing for people that have been in this space but if you're if you're new and looking at cards, it's more straightforward. It's less confusing until they start like around with it, because that's what happens every time. The RTX lineup wasn't confusing until all of a sudden. Well, OK, it was a little confusing because they did away with GTX branding and brought in RTX. But like, I guess it kind of makes sense because, OK, it has ray tracing hardware on it. Fine, fine, fine. Fair enough. Sure. But they brought in this RTX branding and everything was pretty clear. So we had the man I'm trying to remember the cards they actually launched with. Don't quote me on it. But the

the kind of initial wave lineup, right, is your 2080 Ti, your 2080, your 2070, your 2060. And then if you go below that, actually was really confusing you had same generation turing gpu but then it dropped the rtx capabilities which meant that instead of being rtx 2000 it was gtx i think i think there might be some trademarking issues with this but i would have have really preferred if they did GTX-R. I think that would have looked super cool. That would have been pretty sweet, actually. So what do I think of the name? Oh, yeah, right.

And Turing got even more confusing because now, is it the 1650 or something like that, that has either three or four different actual hardware variants? Or is it the 1660 i can't remember one of the one of the mid-tier cards has a number of different gpu configurations that you might actually end up getting um some new uh 1660 1660 ti60 Super, and there was a 1666 gig, wasn't there? So I think there's the 1660. I'm going off the top of my head. I could totally be wrong.

I think there's 1663 gig, 1660. Oh, it's 5 gig, someone says in chat. Yeah, I can't remember what the rules are. So I'm really sorry. I'm just going to stop saying stuff when I'm not sure. I know that one of the mid-tier non-RTX cards, there is a variety of different hardware configurations that you can get. And that to me is, as a techie, really confusing.

But I guess as long as they tune the performance so it's about what you would expect for the number, then I guess as long as they tune the performance so it's about what you would expect for the number, then I guess it doesn't matter, except when it does because there was that RTX 2060 that was using the same GPU as the RTX 2070, or was it the 2080? Ah, dang it, now I can't remember that one either. Whatever, it used a different GPU, a higher tier GPU, Now I can't remember that one either. Whatever. It used a different GPU, a higher tier GPU. But then it sort of ended up being about the same in gaming, but like much better for professional workloads. And I was like, um, okay, what's going on? Things are getting really confused.

It was specifically the RTX 2060 KO from EVGA. And it came in at this like super low price. Yeah, here we go. It used TU104 instead of TU106, which is the GPU that you would expect to find in an initial one RTX 2060. So it ends up being very, very confusing. And that particular one was clocked about the same, same number of ROPs. What did it end up having more of?

Oh, I cannot remember, unfortunately. It has six gigs of memory. They both do. Okay. Yeah, the regular KO and the regular 2060 both have the same amount of memory. It's just the 2060 Super got the 8 gig upgrade, if I recall correctly. So yeah, it's just uh the 2060 super got the 8 gig upgrade if i recall correctly so yeah it's fine

for now so we're probably gonna have like uh 20 so coming coming out of the gate we're gonna have a 2080 a 2090 or excuse me a 3080 and 3090 and then uh some kind of like titan um and then probably they'll follow up with like a 3070 3060 and then it'll get confusing when they start sort of saying oh well we've got some scrap 3070 gpus maybe we'll throw some of these in a 3060 and call it like a you know ko and then but going way back this has always been the case i remember one of the the best GPU deals back when I was working in sales at NCIX was the 7900 GTO. So this came around right before the 8000 series was due to launch. And as far as we could tell, it was basically NVIDIA dumping a bunch of remaining 7900 gtx's onto evga and it was like

hundreds of dollars cheaper than buying a gtx even though the gtx was available at exactly the same time and the performance was nearly identical i remember this for sure it was pretty early on for me it was a super super weird card um apparently it did not support hdcp but then no i don't think any of the 7000 series as well that's funny to think about things like that being issues like not being able to play back i remember that huh recommended gaming resolution 1280 by 720 or 640 by 480 very nice so here we go i've got an ancient thread from september 2006 over on hard forum let's see if uh my yeah there it is look at that uh stolen from crazy horse at sd.net blah blah blah blah blah blah m wave rates are priced to 260 blah, blah. M-Wave raised their price to $260.

Remember when a high-end value GPU could be had for $260? Wow, things have really changed over the years, haven't they? I think that scaled a little bit faster than inflation on that one. It had the same clock speed, same number of pixel pipelines as the GTX, but I think, yeah, the memory might have been lower clocked. And NVIDIA wasn't the only one who pulled this kind of stuff back in the old days. X800 GTO squared, I remember that thing. That's funny.

Well, nobody seems to have it. That was okay. 512 megs with a 7900 gtx cooler on it for 250 bucks yeah should blow away a 7950 gt for 50 less like this thing was absolutely nuts i miss this kind of thing and you know like i get it you know a company like nvidia or evga for that matter like all these guys have probably gotten a lot slicker in terms of their supply chain management and sourcing and like not accidentally ending up with a whole bunch of gpus that they have to get rid of right before they launch new generation but it really did make

things more fun it's true i yeah, I don't know. I liked it when it was like basically impossible to keep track of everything and they just released like new stuff every like four to six months. Yeah, well, that ship sailed a long time ago. It's gone. You know what's crazy to think about is the RTX 2080 launch was, I think it was somewhere between 18 months and two years ago. Give me a sec here. I'm just going to find it.

Yeah, November 2019. So that was... 2019, November? Wait a minute. Yeah, that's not that bad. Wait, no, that can't be right. No, no, no, excuse me, excuse me. September 2018, that's not that bad uh wait no that can't be right no no no excuse me excuse me september 2018 that's so we are coming up on two years since the rtx 2000 series launched and in that time

the most mind-boggling thing to me about it is that AMD has still not managed to put forward something that's competitive. Although, you know what? I'm going to do it. Luke, I'm doing it. I'm having hope for the RDNA 2-based cards. Okay. I've decided AMD has been good enough to me

over the last couple of years on the CPU side of things that I am ready to put myself out there again. I'm ready. Are you going to commit to put one in your personal rig? What? No. But I mean, that's a stupid question.

I mean, in much the same way, I wouldn't commit to put NVIDIA's new graphics card in my system. It could be an unstable mess. I was just checking if it was if it was love or hope you know it's hope it's still definitely hope yeah it's it's hope and and you know i can i can love to be hopeful you know but yeah no i'm not putting intel's new gpu in your gaming rig oh wow no with that said wow that's actually that's some newsworthy stuff right there that didn't make it into the doc today so mr the one and only ryan shroud over at intel actually had a demo running this is this is pretty cool uh i'm just gonna pull it up

twitter right uh demo battlefield five yeah it's he definitely had it on twitter so he took a prototype tiger lake system for a spin in battlefield 5 with intel's i think we're supposed to say z xe gpu and he's running battlefield 5 on a thin and light notebooks check this out right here on high at 30 FPS. This is integrated graphics. It is actually. Hey everybody, Ryan here and sometimes. Oh, Ryan. Thanks Ryan.

You know what? Whatever. Let's just play. Today I'm playing with a prototype Tiger Lake notebook in preparation for later this year. Oh, that's probably not making it better. I wish he didn't use Twitter video i know like i'm not trying to be like at the high flow plane master race right now but like this looks horrible as you would expect for a game

the visuals are absolutely stunning like i'm sure if you're not watching on twitter it looks terrible on a thin and light notebook using only integrated graphics and this is the type of performance and experience you'll be looking forward to seeing on tiger lake later integrated graphics in in very cool integrated graphics being actually genuinely usable for like relatively high-end games is is nice. Yeah. And the thing too is like, even just aside from gaming, integrated graphics being better is absolutely a good thing.

I actually shot a really fun video today. I built Linus's computer. So like, you know, the other Linus? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you saw this he upgraded his system recently and uh i'm trying to remember what yeah he upgraded his system recently and you built it well i built the same one okay i was like how did i not hear about this but what was cool

was he actually provided very detailed rationale behind all of his parts choices and the system is like shockingly well thought out and i don't mean that because like you know oh because he's probably a dumb guy or something like it's not like that it's just that people with other priorities don't always spend the time and care to go through and meticulously optimize a PC parts list. They just have other things to do and they buy a Dell and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. There's a reason that, you know, Dell ships however many millions upon millions of computers a year. So it was just, it was a little surprising to me to see a software guy that probably only builds a system, you know, every year or every couple of years or whatever, like go through

and like absolutely freaking nail all of the hardware choices. I was like, this is a great system. It's like perfectly balanced for what he's doing and really well thought out. And one of the things that he said was that he doesn't care about discrete graphics and quite honestly would actually just prefer to have onboard graphics as long as it has adequate feature support and performance and i was like oh yeah from like a system simplicity standpoint why wouldn't you just want the gpu right on the cpu fair enough how many monitors more elegant so he

did end up putting a graphics card in this one um i have to i'm making guesses now but i have to assume that multi-monitor support would be a reason to do something like that uh he also went thread ripper so having any monitors connected to it means that you're you're stuck with that of course he he could have gone Intel, but I guess part of the problem is that AMD on their high core count Ryzen desktop CPUs does not have integrated graphics. So going AMD wouldn't have been an option. And going Intel wouldn't have been an option because Intel hasn't released anything that would be a compelling enough upgrade for him that does have onboard graphics anyway so he was already running a 9900k

so Threadripper was the way to go and then he just ended up putting an RX 580 in it because it was just sort of like like the decent thing I guess to put in I need to hook monitors into it whatever yeah and there's no way he's gonna you know go nvidia yeah yeah yeah yeah i just would not have seen that one coming if you put an nvidia graphics card in a system have they have they mended fences at all i actually have not followed that as far as i know no i mean nvidia hasn't opened up their linux driver so i have to assume that the situation hasn't changed much why don't we jump into one of our other topics for the day raspberry pi now with pci express expansion this is absolutely tremendous the article here is over on tom's hardware i am stoked look at this is this not actually so awesome is this not the cutest

computer ever so oh my goodness you can't do it with the older raspis but with the raspberry pi pi 4 and with some soldering, okay, this is not a stock configuration here, ladies and gentlemen, you can actually take the PCI Express interface that would normally be used for the USB controller and you can just reroute it. So you can get rid of your USB 3 controller and instead you can have a PCI Express expansion slot that you could then put a USB controller card into. And it's only a $6 chip that you need to sell. No, you would probably put in something else. The example that they have here is a network card.

So you could put higher speed networking, for example, if you were using your Raspberry Pi as a router or something. As a server. Or as a file server. Actually, a file server would be a great example of why you would want two and a half gigabit networking. And if that PCIe interface is fast enough for a USB 3, yeah, USB 3 controller, then it's definitely fast enough for a USB 3 controller,

then it's definitely fast enough for 2.5 gig networking. Now, obviously, the first thing that came to my mind is, I want to put an RTX 2080 Ti on it. Obviously. Obviously, that's the first thing I wanted to do. Unfortunately, the developer of this little hack acknowledges uh where is it you guys should make like the world's smallest yet still large like plex server or something um have it in like a tiny little box with the network expansion card.

That's kind of a cool idea. And you get like a massive, I'm assuming this is SD card storage, but they have huge SD cards these days. So you get like a massive SD card, a network expansion card. Huh. Could be pretty sweet. That's not a bad idea. I think we'd probably go something a little more powerful than a raspi just so you can actually you know uh have a little bit more flexibility

in your real-time transcoding but that's that's kind of a cool idea it could be kind of sweet if you if you work as a like tech youtuber writer at one point maybe maybe uh it could be kind of cool like because a lot of people have those networking cabinets these days yeah there's like white ones that sit in the wall so if you could like fit it in there that would be very cool so this is from the tom's our tom's hardware article unfortunately graphics cards will not work because the cpu does not have enough bar space for them um and when i tried to find out exactly what they meant by bar space i ended up with a lot of results about space bars so uh given that i don't want to you know drink beverages outside of earth's you know atmosphere

i um i'm gonna need you guys to pitch in and chat to let me know. Base address register is commonly called bars. Hey, there we go. All right. Yep, my Google search history definitely thinks I really need to know what the space bar does. Yeah, so that's unfortunate. That would be super cool. But hey hey two and a half gig or five gigabyte networking is also pretty sweet you could also attach an ssd or a flash card that

goes directly to the pcie bus that is that is sweet totally nerdy um the kind of thing that most people probably wouldn't bother to do just because it does involve soldering but it's the kind of thing where the cost of the parts is low enough that it's not even that stupid of a thing to do on a weekend you know yeah and like if you screw it up it's probably okay all right luke i know you couldn't wait for this tell us all about amd's confirmed Ryzen XT chips. Is this like the fourth time we've talked about these or something? It's definitely at least the third. It's got to be up there.

After much speculation by us and other people, AMD has finally revealed the new Ryzen XT chips and what they will look like. Ryzen 5 36 xt will be 249 six core 12 threads at 3.8 gigahertz base 4.5 gigahertz boost 95 watts ryzen 7 3800 xt 399 eight core 16 threads 3.9 gigahertz base 4.7 excited that's actually a pretty pretty nice price point for an 8-core. Sure is, isn't it? That Ryzen 7, I think, is pretty sweet. I suspect we'll see some of those move. Ryzen 9 3900 XT, $499, 12 cores, 24 threads, 3.8 gigahertz base,

4.7 gigahertz boost, 105 watts. The 7 and the 9 don't come with a cooler. The 5 comes with a Wraith Spire. I'm actually okay with that. Do you think it matters that they include a cooler on a high-end CPU like that? No. I like that they include it on the 5. But the 7, if you're spending $400 before tax on tax on a processor like get a cooler for it yeah

i don't think it's that much to ask no especially when you factor in that buying a cpu cooler that is really you know like good enough to run that cpu at a really nice low temperature give it a nice long life is not that expensive like you know hyper 212 is in that 35 range 40 range i don't think it's a lot to ask to spend 10 of your cpu cost on decent cooling for it we're still using hyper 212s uh there's a bunch of variants of it cooler master it's hilarious because uh the reason that i was looking at this the other day but they can't um we did a video about it's hilarious because uh the reason that i was looking at this the other day but they can't um we did a video about it's not actually up yet but we did a video about what it actually takes to cool intel's 10th gen cpus because and rightly so we took some criticism in our launch review

for not disclosing the cooler we were using when we said hey we got good thermal results um and we were like okay that's a fair point. It was a total accident. It just wasn't put on the slide, unfortunately. But it's one of those things where people that are looking to find fault will say, hey, it was malice rather than stupidity, but I'm pleading stupidity here. Anyway, the point is we decided to take that criticism and go one step further and actually take five different coolers at different price points okay yeah did you show anything by any chance i think i might be uh i think i might be live again give it a second okay that's very weird what's happening here i um but but but uh that's very strange

what's happening right now uh let me see uh obs is is super confused Yeah OBS is Wait Is OBS back? Hold on a second Let me pop you out Okay That's very weird what's happening here i think floatplane's back floatplane is definitely back uh but it's lagging like crazy

it's kind of frozen you are very clear to me now and your voice is working perfectly to me now. Yeah, okay. Just so you know. That's fun. Things are improving. Okay. You look good on Twitch. OBS is crying again. I'm just trying to add you as a source, and it's having a hard time.

It's struggling. Twitch looks perfect. That's weird, because I'm expecting it to freeze and it hasn't done it full plane is working well okay oh twitch froze uh hold on there's still time there's still time to fix this we can still fix this luke i believe okay so i'm gonna put you right there and then i'm uh i'm uh put a little uh oh man is it transform or filter can never edit transform um um crop left 600 uh oh it froze it froze up again this is this is i don't know i don't know what this looks like

uh but 600 crop left was definitely too much. So let's take another crack at that. Transform, edit, transform. Let's try like 300. Okay, let's move, put you right there. No, a little bit less. Wow, this is something. Edit, transform, maybe like 70. Okay. Weird thing is that my

utilization CPU, memory, disk, network, GPU, I'm not even using GPU encoding. So it's all low. Everything's under like 10%. OBS is just having a significant freak out here it's very odd yeah yeah super odd super odd very unfortunate i think we are live again though and it's actually working now but uh okay okay i'm not 100 sure not so much no it that is not a thing that i am certain about at this point in time throughout this entire thing obs doesn't think it has dropped a single frame well maybe uh maybe it didn't you know obs is like the input like i can my call with you is completely fluid but obs is frozen right now like you're frozen in obs and so am i so both inputs are frozen and now we're back uh so i'm just watching the i'm watching the stream here to see what happens when obs was

frozen there yep it's just freezing for no apparent reason whatsoever so that's really cute and uh really frustrating nothing i can really do to help. Yeah, no, not at all. Do you want me to try to pick it up from here? I'm also really worried about what's going on with the YouTube stream. I feel like that video might have ended. Because I can't find the live dashboard. Just trying to remember because it's under like go live so if i'm live right now does it take me to the one that's live right now okay i can click on it apparently i'm apparently we're still live all right ladies and gentlemen. I guess we're just... I guess we're going for it here.

I think we're going for it. It's definitely still freezing. It seems a little better, right? I mean... I can't tell. It's online. It's not technically offline. No, it's frozen.

Yeah, it froze again. Oh, it's playing again on twitch this is great i just have no idea what's going on right now yeah it's something. I mean, is it safe to assume this is something to do with my computer? That's very weird. Okay. Did it get the wrinkles out of its system?

Are we good? I'm still seeing... Yeah, Twitch is frozen right now. Is it? I wonder why. I have no way of knowing why, Luke. Do they still have audio even when I'm going? Will the rowers keep on rowing? I can't tell.

Apparently, there's still audio. The audio's fine. They show no signs of slowing. Okay, you know what? Screw it. Let's do it. Let's finish off the show. Who even cares?

Push forward. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, let's talk about these new chips. The new XT processors will be drop-in compatible with any motherboard that is currently compatible with Ryzen 3rd Gen processors. And to go along with the launch, I mean, I guess that makes sense.

They're just like a little faster. And, ooh, boost clocks are not only a little bit higher, but also Residency at these boost clocks is far better than the original release thanks to improvements in the manufacturing process. That's sick AMD is also announcing that StoreMI version 2.0 will release along with the new CPUs utilizing a read-only Caching approach rather than a tiered storage approach then it's been rebuilt from the ground up. That's probably a safer way to do it. So, StoreMI was a licensed version of Enmodus' Fusedrive software, and 2.0 will support any combination of any capacity hard drives and SSDs. Emphasis has been placed on ease of setup and use, which is a really positive thing, because ease of setup was not a strong point for StoreMI V1. or STORMI V1.

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i guess i have to my phone is freaking out can you stop please uh boston dynamic spot is now on sale we were talking uh before the show started about whether or not you would potentially buy one. Oh man. Oh, I have a hard time even, I have a hard time even coming up with what the right price would be for me because you could, you could mount a wifi router to it. Uh,

that connects to, no, that doesn't make any sense. That's boring. No, i want to see like some some cool project you could do with it yeah i want to see some cool project that i could do with it i just don't know i just don't know what it would be so here i'm on i'm on the site here uh let's just oh obs is frozen so i can't really move around on the site unfortunately but basically they've got three different versions the explorer enterprise and academic as far as I can tell it's pretty much

going to be the same product they just want you to contact them if you're an enterprise user or an academic user and here is this working now no No. Okay. How about this? No. How about this? No. Stop. Oh, wow. OBS, please stop. There we go. Okay. There's the top of my page now. I am so unhappy right now with what's going on. Okay. So as long as you don't want more than, I think it's two from the article that I read, although it's letting me add like five of them to cart. Maybe it's just going to tell me, hey, you should probably contact us.

If you want more than a few of them, you're supposed to contact them. But yeah, the famous robot from all of the viral videos is now actually available to buy. And what they, I think, expect people to do with them is things like surveying areas where it's not safe to send humans or completing totally monotonous tasks. Like if you have to, you know, take the same picture of the same thing 50 times a day because you're trying to track if it's being used properly or something in your warehouse. A spot is a great alternative to having a person go and do those stupid tasks.

Have you seen the cost of their add-ons? No, I haven't. Check out just the battery. How much is a spot battery oh wow who do they think they are red digital cinema spot care service plan providing one year of extended coverage and expedited repair is 15 grand an additional battery for your spot and it only runs for man how long was it specs here we go Average runtime with no payload is about 90 minutes with 180 minutes of standby time.

So if you want another battery, you're going to need to spend $4,600. An additional charger, $1,600. The ports. The ports. Wow, okay. Regulated power and Ethernet. That's it.

$1,275. i don't know about you but i think i think 21 800 for awareness for a robot is actually very reasonable so that's an inspection and lidar all of those things together is so much wow edge gpu spot core ai provides advanced processing for applications requiring on robot computation wow that's pretty cool see that's the problem with this thing though is i wouldn't know the first thing to do with it like yeah if we were just doing a video for the memes and i was just um you know making a video where i'm i i just tell it hey follow me around the office all day lol yeah that'd be hilarious or whatever and it would get views on youtube but i don't feel like we'd really be adding anything meaningful to the conversation.

So I don't really want to spend $75,000 just to do something like that. Also, by the way, they even tell you exactly what components are built into this Edge GPU. So you get two gigabit Ethernet ports, a handful of USB ports, Type c and type a you get mini pcie and it's occupied with an lte modem in some configurations and you get a xeon e3 processor and an nvidia quadro p5000 gpu and this too can be yours for just 24 500 us dollars wow

i mean i get it they have no competition as far as i can tell yeah like there's other robots they did stuff to it like they didn't just throw a bunch of parts in a no black box no um no it's like got ingress protection winter snow and summer rain but still cool itself and like all this other cool stuff but holy what would you do with a spot i don't know like that's for a run with a really weird looking dog i mean that's cool yeah like it's super cool kind of but it's not worth $75,000. Yeah. But then we're not the customers for it, right? So, yeah, I don't know.

What's the max speed of it? Terrain, horizontal field of view, collision avoidance, maintain set distance from stationary objects. I'd like to use it to bring something with me on a difficult hike that I wouldn't be able to just like carry myself i don't know this is gonna do it for you i think it would be cool but i also don't know like what i would want it to bring with me maybe explore chernobyl also at like 5.6 kilometers per hour like you're going for a walk luke you're not going for a run here you're going for a brisk

difficult hike yeah yeah but that's also at speed on level ground so fair yeah it can apparently have a 30 degree incline though that's yeah like i've seen it i've seen it climb stuff i just would want to like play with it like Like if I could, if I could just, you know, buy it and return it. Is that worth it? Is that worth it? To play with the future?

No, of course not. Okay. $75,000 Luke. Are you nuts? Yeah. I don't mean for, for you or for me.

I mean, like, I mean, I would click on that video. Yeah, for sure. But like the entire line of tech tips, this is too long of a title. The entire line of tech tips crew tries to find a use for a $75,000 dog. I mean, this is the kind of thing where, you know, if we had the, if i was if i was some combination of like hacksmith wendell

myself and probably half a dozen other highly skilled mechanically or programming inclined you know people um you know i would love to do an entire series just doing weird stuff with it. Like if Hacksmith could build an arm for the top of it, and then we had some really skilled AI programmer put together some kind of machine vision thing. Sorry? The arm is coming in 2021. Well, I mean, we'd want to do it before the official one, wouldn't we?

So, you know, if there's like, if we could put an arm on it and program it to recognize a ball and go get it. And we like actually go to a park and play fetch with a robotic dog. Like that is some 20 million views stuff right there. You know, like, sure. but that is also the kind of thing that I would actually have to have like a Boston robotics team skill level staff to, to implement. Like it's non-trivial is all I'm trying to say. Michael Reeves.

It'll be paired with Michael Reeves. It'll almost kill you in the process, but it would be super awesome. Um, I love that guy. Some people are mkbhd will have one just get it like no that's not a reason to buy a 75 75 000 toy i want to send it to colorware and get it all matte blacked out and then make them really jealous is that worth it no it's 75 000 like you're talking to the guy who didn't air condition his house for 10 years because it cost money like um if so okay i tell you what if somebody

sends a 75 000 super chat i promise to spend it on the robot i don't think you can even do that honestly don't don't do that because youtube would get like 20 30 of it or whatever that would be really stupid yeah so buy 75 000 worth of elements shirts that's the worst advice you've ever given then you can donate the shirts even though the world has way too much clothes and donated clothes are being wasted because there's too much to give away because of the crazy over-consumerist culture that is around clothing. But you can donate the clothes and Linus will buy a spot. You know that would be 600,000 shirts, right? Like we work with a local printer.

He could not make 600,000 shirts. Hiring people right now is probably great. There's a lot of people out of work. This is awesome. I can totally imagine a shirt printing facility that is COVID safe. This is, you're just honestly, you're donating shirts, you're getting Linus to buy a spot you're helping small business so you see it as a win win win win win

absolutely yeah oh man we've got super chats coming you just have shirts for the rest of your life which is also kind of cool mic man 99997 super chats. Moving gaming rig with spot. Okay, mobile gaming. Redefining mobile gaming. There's your title. There's your like clickbait title. Mobile gaming like you've never seen it before. This thing like toe.

Is there information on that? I think it does have a payload capacity here. Payloads, yep. Maximum weight of 30 pounds uh 14 kilos wait isn't that like 14 kilos 30 pounds is it 14 kilograms to i mean these are very smart yeah okay never mind 30.1 so almost 31 is that what it can tow though or is that what it can carry because those should be different things at 3.9 so almost 31 sorry uh hard to say i suspect that's what it could carry i don't know if it would be designed to tow something like that's a very different force on it right yeah it absolutely

is and it probably wouldn't be very good at it due to the yeah and depending how the thing was hitched to it right like a um a toad payload can put like very uneven force on the thing that's that's uh that's hauling it unless you are observing measuring or manipulating i don't see it really having a use so you'd have to i think you'd have to do one of those things. Did you pull that right off their site? No. Observing, measuring, or manipulating. What made you say that? I'm just picking.

Oh, I see. What else are you really going to do? It's not going to carry very much. The only thing it's probably going to carry is the things that you use to observe, measure, or manipulate. It's not towing, really. Adam Savage made it tow himself that's

hilarious um maybe it can tow i guess it's not really fast so like you gotta i think you gotta find something that it could it's expensive so you wouldn't want to deploy it in any kind of like security application because like that would be something pretty cool. Like, instead of having to hire a security guard, which is, you know, like, $50,000 a year or whatever, you buy one of these, and that's it. You know, you just put, like, a camera on it. Hopefully it's smart enough to just go plant itself on its charger and then, like, you know, do another patrol, right? But then if someone just walks up and, like, grabs it,

like, knocks it over and like grabs it like what are you gonna do about it right you could track it uh yeah i i guess so i like to think that someone's savvy enough to like steal your robot dog is probably savvy enough to like i don't know if someone feeds a dog yeah i i don't know they might unintentionally do that yeah it's it's walking out in the open and it looks like a dog yeah i i don't know they might unintentionally do that yeah it's it's walking out in the open and it looks like a robot dog i could see many a petty thief go oh expensive looking robot take not really think too much about it people steal phones yeah that's true okay fair point and you'd need like the awareness module which is 21 800 yeah potentially the inspection module but i think just the awareness this thing is so cool like

this is exactly what you know something like jibo needed to be like i would love it if boston robotics got their hands on that kind of like natural movement technology that those guys were working oh my god that's what you can do put a jibo on top of it no no no no work with probably anthony do some do some home automation scripting with this thing. Home automation? Because it can traverse your home. So it could actually go do things for you.

See light switch spot. Turn light switch off spot. And he could go press it. Once the arm comes out, you could have it go open the fridge and bring you a drink. Like home butler level automation i mean it would know it wouldn't work well enough to actually like be practical it might work well enough to do it enough for like a video video yeah so got it it's not worth 75 000 luke plus how much do you think that six degrees of freedom arm is gonna cost so much so much so very much

i'm out i'm gonna do taxes spot go do taxes oh in other news uh intel releases gen 2 optane and new 3d nand ssds i'm actually pretty excited about next generation optane oh my god so pick up the rumba and put it on another floor someone just said in the chat that brain that does sound useful actually like that home automation spot that's what it makes to finally make a room but actually useful and actually less work than just going and getting a vacuum and like running you could just anytime the room but just screws up the spot could go like go put it back on his dock this is awesome. Home automation spot.

Okay. It's going to be like $140,000 home automation robot. Back to second generation Optane, okay? So these are persistent memory module DIMMs. They're starting in an enterprise and then hopefully they'll work their way down to consumer grade hardware eventually. The last generation 256 gig Optane DIMM had a 360 petabytes written rating, and we get 38% more endurance this generation, so 497 petabytes written.

That's pretty cool. There's no real increases in capacity, so it's 128, 256, and 512, but if intel can get the price right and we actually are hoping to do a video on this pretty soon like using these gigantic capacity optane dims to supplement your system memory if they can get the price right they could potentially displace d-ram for large-scale fast memory which would be a big win for them because they need a good story on the server side of things because cpu performance and pci express uh expansion and bandwidth is not really it right now in the face of what amd is doing with their epic processors here's a here's a new new question because i'm still stuck on this and I realize I'm derailing hard but what if there was a tournament

what are you talking about spot again yeah oh man what kind of tournament would you pit the inventiveness and ingenuity of the Linus Tech Tips team

in a robot spot battle tournament against other YouTube teams. It could even be like multidisciplinary. So there could be like the fight. Maybe that's at the end. I would think so. There could be other like tasks or things that you'd have to compete like it could be a whole just to be clear are you talking about dog fighting

oh geez wow wow luke oh no you heard it here first guys luke thinks that we should have a multi-disciplinary dog fight tournament you disgust me i absolutely obvious only when it's robots even then the robots are gonna kill me first now you walked right into that robots all i have to say is humans fight each other for fun and it's all consensual and stuff. And I guess you wouldn't be consenting because you're a robot. So maybe I'm still evil. I'm sorry. I apologize.

All right. Brandon Stubbs has a super chat here. Just claim as a business expense. All right. I have definitely talked about this on the WAN show before, but it merits mentioning again, because a lot of people still seem to think that expensing something or writing something off as a business expense is some kind of magic wand that makes the money not actually cost you anything. You mean it isn't? That is not how it works. That's not how it works at all.

You still have to earn that money. You just don't get taxed on the money that you spent because you effectively didn't make it as profit. So if Linus Media Group Incorporated were to have, let's say, have $100,000 of revenue come in, okay? We have to pay corporate income tax on that revenue, right? Which is, I think, in Canada, around 25%. So we got to pay corporate income tax. Okay, so if we buy something for $100,000, we don't have to pay that income tax because we didn't make that money.

But we still have to earn it, even if we decide to spend it. Also, anything... And you still spend it, you just don't lose the tax. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, another thing to factor in is that anything that expensive is going to count as an asset, which means that you don't even get to write off, depending on your regional rules, you don't even necessarily get to write off the entire amount right off the bat. So I would only be able to expense probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% to 25% of that right out of the gate. So of my $100,000, here are my options. I can just not spend it on a robot

and I get to keep $75,000 for new equipment at the office or renovations or cool costumes or whatever. Okay, so $75,000 that I could just spend on other things for the business. Oh, actually, no, no, no, sorry, I'm doing this wrong. I would have $100,000 that I could just spend on other business expenses. I could have $75,000 of profit or I could buy the robot, okay? of profit, or I could buy the robot, okay? And then I would have only $25,000 to spend on other things. I would have about $18,000 of profit, and I would have a robot. Also, I would have a giant tax liability because I would have to pay 80% of the tax on $75,000. So give me a second here.

percent of the tax on 75 000 so give me a second here 75 000 hold on calculator okay so 75 000 times 0.25 wait wait times 0.8 so i would actually owe 15 000 in taxes on money i never made because i have this stupid asset that i don't need so what you're telling me is you're gonna get a robot no i'm not telling you that i'm telling you that writing things off does not magically make them not cost money and in fact this ends up costing me more because i have to pay taxes on money that I didn't even make. And now, to be clear, I do get to amortize it over a number of years. So by the time we're nine years down the road, I will have gotten back about 97.5% or something of those, of the... So I get to use it as a deduction on my future taxes. So I'll have gotten back some

of that tax that I paid on money I never made. But remember too, that time equals money, right? That's an equation that is actually, I'm fairly sure it's provable. And having money earlier is kind of like having like more money is kind of like having, like more money is kind of like more time and more time is kind of like more money, okay? So if time equals money, then more time equals more money. So if I don't spend that money stupidly today and have to pay taxes on that money that I stupidly spent today,

then I can invest that money today and I get an extra however many years to make that money grow over time instead of a robot that will definitely be a depreciating asset. So there's many, many reasons why I shouldn't buy the robot dog. shouldn't buy the robot dog even if i was like you know i had 75 000 burning a hole in my pocket it's still a bad idea so you're done bud but robot track meet youtuber competition so many views all right so many views someone's gonna do it is there anything else in the doc that we wanted to talk about today i know that um hey square enix is back on geforce now that's cool if you're into geforce now i have a gaming computer i'm not but you might be so

that's cool uh 3d n NES emulator released on Steam. Wait, what? List of supported ROMs. 3D Sen, which began in 2015 as a theoretical fantasy project, has finally been released for sale on Steam. The emulator translates sprites and tile maps into voxels and creates a 3D play area out of the screen, complete with the ability to swap out the background color. I have not seen this, but there's a VR version?

The current list of supported ROMs is limited but expanding. Okay, no, I have to see this. Authors YouTube, here we go, boys. What the crap am I even looking at here? Okay, hold on a second. I'm bringing up my browser here, everyone. Hopefully OBS will unstream for long enough for you guys to check this out. This is

absolute madness. Pretty much. My mind is blown. 100% blown. I love it so much. Is it... What is it called?

Wow. 3DSen. wow 3d sen so 3d sen vr which there is a free demo for is 22.79 and 3d sen this is canadian 3d sen pc is 10.34 there's no way i don't spend 10 on this like i don't even like i don't even like nest wasn't really my childhood snes was me neither so i like it's not a huge deal for me from that perspective this is just the kind of amazing cool crap that just someone needs to make sure they buy so that cool crap like this continues to get made. I just cannot stop looking at this gameplay. Oh, wow.

Okay, hold on a second. This, oh, oh, wow. This Zelda, man, this is crazy. I love it. I'm still stuck on this 3D Mario Bros 3 thing 3 thing that i sent you where's the zelda one i guess you're probably showing the stream that's unreal yeah i'm gonna try in a second here yeah there we go unbelievable all right all right okay i can stop staring at it now we should do a couple super chats or something but like wow okay would you would you get in trouble if you did the super chats

and then downloaded it and played a little bit for the end of the stream um i'm really hungry and i haven't seen my kids in a week because they're um they've been yeah they've been visiting with the cousins and i'd really like to go see them because they should be home any minute now but i i don't know we could uh you know what we could do is we could fire up some multiplayer um parsec gaming maybe sometime this weekend or something maybe we could stream it yeah i'm totally down all right couple super chats uh crossfire vegas 64 space heater or still relevant it's water cooled i mean i don't know if vegas 64 was ever a good idea that's the answer i was looking for uh luck dragon says finally caught you live after five years thanks

for being one of four channels convincing me to build my first gaming pc since the k6 two days dang forever for 29 50x now nice nice machine uh yvonne plus wifey sauce when show when that would actually be very interesting i have no idea what they would talk about um like the business side of like actually running youtube channels I have no idea what they would talk about. Like the business side of like actually running YouTube channels. Xumi Melba says, hey, buddy, you may have thought I gave up, but I'm back. It's me, your boy, checking in on the status of floatplane merch. I just want a darn shirt.

It can't be that hard. Wait, did you miss it? Because we had a floatplane shirt for a bit. We did limited edition float plane shirt i think you missed it how did that go i have no idea i don't think i ever checked in yeah i have absolutely no idea uh george lambros says intended for last week get one i hope so it's the blue one yeah you have one oh i thought we did that orange thing though now i'm a little bit hazy no so there was the blue one oh yeah i thought the logo was like little and then it was like the whole show no the logo combo one yeah that was the one we actually sold i think the blue one was just internal the blue one was just internal oh

all right intended for last week's WAN show, I will compose and produce much better music for your videos for much less than thousands of dollars. You think that, but we do like 13 videos a week. Creating bespoke music for every Linus Media Group video would be, man, you'd have carpal tunnel in like 10 days uh destructive harmonic says first time i've ever watched live hey thank you uh rob christiansen rob christiansen says i want to pitch an annual show for you folks called the ltt segue slam but first a message from this pitch's sponsor

me the guy who paid for this super chat. I'm handy to have around. Anyway, the Segway slam could be the Oscars. Like, best Segway to a non-tech product meets March Madness. Tech channel reps going head-to-head with their best Segways live. Comedy gold. It sounds awful. It sounds totally awful. It does.

I wouldn't watch that. The EJ Gunn sent 75 whatever chfs are whatever currency that is ltd spot robot do a tour of their facility i would love to do a tour of their facility boston dynamics has never replied to one of our outreach emails it's like okay you might be able to um find someone that would loan you a spot or that would let you mess with their spot for like a weekend yeah maybe i'd have to find someone who actually bought one though i mean if marquez buys one i'll just be like hey for like hey can i come hang out for a little bit yeah i just want to see your new dog yeah just want to see your new dog so all right that's it for the super chats for today don't send any more i'm not going to look at them

um there's one more thing i wanted to talk to you about on the show today it's totally not tech i don't know how i never knew about this before but have you ever poked around on cameo do you know about this i recognize let me look it up apparently it's a pretty big thing it's hilarious isn't this like wait what get personalized messages from your favorite celebrities oh yeah this is how like there's some stuff that's come out of here because like people were thanked or congratulated for things that they like by famous people that they really shouldn't have been because the famous person had no idea