The WAN Show - NINJA leaves Twitch! - WAN Show Aug 2, 2019
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I think so. You might want to quick skim things.
Nope, I didn't skim anything. We're started.
We're doing it. We're doing it live.
I should probably monitor anything
anywhere. Welcome to the WAN show,
ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic
show for you guys today, I hope.
Yeah, we totally do.
I also hope that it's not going to
break.
The framing isn't awesome.
Yeah. Oh yeah, the camera.
Hey, Andy. Can I borrow you for a minute?
Do you think you could center the microphone in the frame for the WAN show?
Honestly, no hurry.
It's fine.
They're chill.
It's just this is the WAN show, peeps.
Yeah.
I mean, if they can forgive constant frame drops throughout the stream,
they can probably forgive the microphone.
No, no, no, no.
The camera moves.
Yep. You're good. The camera moves. Yep.
You're good.
Whoa.
Whoa.
You saw it here first, guys.
Andy's a ninja.
Hey, that's better.
Speaking of ninja.
Wow.
Good job.
We did one.
Ninja leaves Twitch.
That was a great segue.
That was so good.
So, yeah, guys, we're going to talk about that
today. We're also going to talk about some pretty
big float plane news.
Yeah, that's a big deal.
The price is going up and a whack ton
of creators are joining. Oh wait,
Camino, is that yet? They have technically
signed. Oh, okay.
So then we own their lives anyway.
Perfect. Okay, that worked out. Also, a
way more important departure has happened this week that isn't Ninja,
but is a different creator that has more likes on Twitter,
even though more people are talking about the Ninja one.
Really?
Did I miss this?
It's not in the doc.
I got it, though.
It's cool.
All right, we'll talk about it later.
We've also got what to expect from Samsung Unpacked.
Yes, some legitimate actual tech news.
And Google was ordered to halt voice recordings.
Well, not voice recordings, but human review of them.
Let's talk about it after we roll that intro.
I'm not actually waiting for anything.
I can press it any time I want.
It seems to be going well.
Oh, good.
It's still yellow.
Oh, it just turned green.
I don't even know what that means, though.
The only feedback I'm getting so far on the float plane is,
damn, it's so crisp on float plane.
Dang.
Well, it's nice that the float plane streaming works again.
Yeah, that's true.
Again? Yeah, so...
Again?
Yeah, so what we discovered,
what we in the management team here, which is me,
discovered is that the best way to get the float plane team,
which is Luke and his minions,
to finish something is to give them a horrendous, like, task.
Okay?
Yeah.
So you give them, like, a terrifying, terrifying task.
Like, hey, guys, you're cut off.
Is your chair higher, or did the camera tilt
under the weight of the lens?
Hey, guys.
My hair is terrible today.
Let's just wear my back.
So you give them a horrendous task,
and, like, hey, we're going to stream LTX Live
the whole time, and it really needs to work.
And it goes from not working at all to actually working really well.
Great.
And we can rely on it.
And it's like magic.
Yeah.
And then you bring them to the office and you're like, hey, do you want to fix WAN show?
Yeah, they're all in town right now.
So yeah.
Hopefully WAN show is fixed this week.
Did AJ even like do anything?
As far as I know, nope.
But it works great.
So one thing we did do was we pulled a Meraki switch out of the network that shouldn't have mattered.
But what I kind of wonder is if it was sort of misconfigured because we had some wireless issues.
And pulling it out seems to have fixed those as well.
Yeah.
So I wonder if we just need to take another run.
You know who actually offered to maybe come up and help me with our networking infrastructure?
LeadEater.
Oh.
Which would be sick.
That would be cool.
Yeah.
He was like, yeah, I don't know if I'd be comfortable on camera.
So he's been a longtime moderator on our forum.
Quite a long time.
And super knowledgeable about stuff that I care about.
Like, he's super heavy into Windows Server and stuff.
So I do like using Windows Server because I'm an idiot
and I like having a GUI.
Well, not an idiot.
I'm just more comfortable with a GUI.
You know, you could turn that on on Linux servers temporarily
and turn it back off.
Not all of them.
Not like CentOS.
A lot of them, though.
Oh, yeah, that's probably true. But you could just use a different one. You and then turn it back off. Not all of them. Not like CentOS. A lot of them though.
Yeah, that's probably true.
But you could just use a different one.
You could, but we don't.
And CentOS has out-of-date packages anyways,
so you could just.
Unfortunately, okay, so the things that I didn't set up,
the things that I allowed other people to set up for me
are mostly running on CentOS right now,
which makes my life difficult
because I don't know how to use it.
So anyway, if LightEar came up and hooked me up,
I think we could probably have something where he could legitimately show me how to do things and then I would be able to do them for myself after.
Because that's the problem.
That's how you end up having an IT firm for your company forever.
Because they come in, set it all up for you.
You have no idea how it works.
Don't document it properly.
And then I think that's how people end up buying jellyfishes oh okay honestly like honestly speaking like it's not even this is
not going to get any better it's not even unreasonable to go and get a jellyfish because
the support is coming from people who actually it is in their best interest for you to not need to
talk to them anymore so they want you actually taken care of, because they're not billing you by the hour anymore
once they sell you the thing.
And it's simple enough to use that it probably won't be broken at some point.
What was our first topic today?
Were we going to like...
Ninja.
We're going to talk about that right away, hey?
We're going to talk about Ninja right away.
Okay.
And we've been doing the thing where we talk about the title right away so we don't screw
it up later.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's cool.
Okay.
So, Mr. Beavins.
I actually did not know his real name.
It's not Beavins.
So you still don't.
Blevins.
Blevins.
I blame that display and also I need to zoom.
Okay.
Why did Google remove pinch to zoom on Google Docs?
Yeah.
Why?
Yeah.
What possible reason
could you guys have for doing that?
Because it did work at one point, right?
Yes, it did.
Now you have to control plus
and it's like a whole thing.
Your browser's like,
I need to make it bigger.
This is really hard.
The whole bar at the top is way bigger now,
which is not the goal.
Because GPUs haven't progressed
in the last 30 years.
I don't know how to do this.
All right, so Mr. Blevins, better known to millions of gamers as Ninja,
has posted a video announcement on Twitter saying to the world
that he would be leaving Twitch for the Microsoft-owned platform Mixer.
Which is, like, way smaller.
Astronomically, for some reference. Talk about Mixer.
There's around 69,000 subscribers. Tell me about Mixer.
Because I don't know anything about Mixer.
It's a Microsoft thing. Okay. It used to be called Beam. Microsoft bought it. They renamed it.
Okay, okay. Do I actually do all this?
Fine, fine, fine. Tell the audience like they don't know them. They've got
69,000
roughly streamers on Mixer.
They have 1.5 million streamers on Twitch.
Yeah.
I don't think that is partnered streamers.
I think that's streamers in general.
Mixer has some differences in how you can make revenue on the platform.
As far as I know, you have to...
It's not the same as the partner program that Twitch has.
I think you just need to cross some flags
and it kind of automatically happens.
You have to stream a certain amount per week,
a certain amount per month,
and have at least 2,000 followers, it says,
and some other things, then you can make money.
That exception was...
Then they can avoid people like me
who are partnered on Twitch,
but never stream there.
If it just automatically takes...
Am I technically still partnered on Twitch?
I'm gonna check.
You are.
You are.
You don't even have to check.
I'm gonna check.
I already know.
I'm just, you know what?
This is a useless display of curiosity.
It's not that I don't trust you,
it's just that, is that what the check mark means
or is that verified?
Okay, that's verified.
That has nothing to do with.
Okay, so how do you check if you're partnered?
I don't think you would see it here.
If you were an external user
who wasn't logged into your account,
you'd see a subscribe button.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Unless it disappeared in the last two weeks, you're a partner.
Okay, cool.
Okay.
Cool.
All right.
So really, really old partner agreements actually don't have exclusivity clauses.
I think yours does.
I don't think it does.
I think it does, but not for anything other than gaming.
So you wouldn't be able to, like, game on YouTube.
Because that's what mine is like.
Oh, interesting.
I can't play games on YouTube, but I can do anything else.
Oh, interesting.
Through the Twitch contract thing.
So, anyways, he got over 500,000 subscribers on his first stream or something insane,
but it's free to subscribe to him on Mixer right now.
So Mixer is just paying him for subscribers well i'm sure they paid him a massive like minimum contract
thing like i'm sure he has some insane contract we can talk about that after sure but let's just
talk about the 500 000 people that sub to him on Mixer right off the bat. So channel subscriptions are $7.99.
And Mixer is just eating that?
Yeah.
I wonder for how long.
To be completely honest, I bet you the
behind-the-scenes deal is way more intense.
Oh yeah, I would...
Okay.
Now hold on a minute here. Maybe?
Because like, what does that even
have to... Okay, I'm getting on my Calculum-a-later here.
Well, I don't know what the split is.
No, just a minute here.
I don't know what the split is.
Let's say the split is, I don't know, 50-50.
Let's say they haven't learned from Twitch that that's not a reasonable split.
And let's go times 0.5 times, what is it, $7.99?
Yeah.
$8,99? $7.88 really?
Okay so that is quite
literally $2 million
a month.
Yeah but at $7.99
they might just be paying themselves anyways.
Except that people aren't
paying to subscribe to him.
Right. That's fair.
That's a good call.
So they are...
So it's just straight 2 mil.
Literally giving him $2 million a month for zero revenue.
Yeah.
Wouldn't it be nice to be Microsoft?
That never happens, though.
Like, as far as my understanding goes from reading stuff online and all this kind of stuff,
once you hit a certain point on Twitch, you get a better deal.
Right, right, right.
It's no longer 50-50.
So then you're saying it gets better than that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
So here's how it worked.
I don't know if I can talk about this publicly.
Technically Vessel got purchased by like Verizon Communications or something.
So I don't know, maybe technically they own their contracts.
I suspect there's no one who would follow this up.
Or care.
So technically I have like a confidentiality agreement about the contract that we signed
with Vessel.
You might want to like wait until Nick has time to run down here to stop.
No, I better do it fast before he has time to run down.
So Vessel is at the bottom of the ocean.
That's a pun.
And here's how the deal worked.
So they came to us and they said, hey, we've got this early access concept.
It's going to be $3 a month for the entire site.
This is part of the reason why they died.
Yeah.
Because that's not sustainable.
It's so stupid.
Anyway.
Then before they died, they were, like, slashing video quality and stuff,
trying to keep their bandwidth down.
It was sad.
Anyway, so they're like, okay, $3 a month.
You get early access to your favorite creators.
And that was the pitch to the viewers.
Now, to the creators, they were like, hey, this is a supplementary revenue stream.
But people like me were kind of looking at it going, well, now hold on a minute.
It's $3 a month per user for the entire site so if that user watches one tenth me and nine tenths
good mythical morning or something and ellen or whatever then i only get at best my share of 30
cents which is not a lot of money.
Making matters more difficult is the fact
that you actually have to convert a significant number
of YouTube followers, I mean even if it was $3,
let alone 30 cents, before it starts
to even put a dent in things.
So at 30 cents a user, let's do some quick napkin math,
and by napkin I mean my computer.
So let's say we got our, we got our. Use a computer as a napkin math and by napkin I mean my computer so let's
say we got our we got our user computers and now we got our 30 cents yeah this
one actually has a touchscreen so it's like even more napkin II than anything
else so let's say we converted at the time we were like a million million
subscriber channel to me that was 2013 I don't know doesn't matter doesn't matter
the point is let's say that we managed to convert a lot of users.
Let's say 20,000 users.
That seems like a lot of users, right?
That is $6,000 a month.
Now, $6,000 a month is nothing to sneeze at.
That's a lot of money.
But in the context of running a business, $6,000 a month is like one employee.
Like, that's not, I mean, depending.
Because you've got your overhead, you've got your Canada pension plan,
you've got your health benefits.
Their equipment, any software licenses they need.
The actual physical space they take up.
I think actually $6,000 a month for, what does that work out to?
$72,000 a year?
That's actually fairly conservative in terms of
the total cost of sustaining an employee they need a parking spot which by the way is not free once
you get into the business world you know free parking at the mall enjoy that while you're a
consumer when you're a business you pay for your parking spots um so it's not like it's not a game
changer and there are a lot of risks associated with taking on a service like Vessel.
You have to pitch it to your viewers.
You're going to piss them off.
And that was when this whole concept was basically unheard of.
So we were breaking the news on this.
Now it's not that big of a deal.
But back then it was quite weird.
I feel like we have been the sand wall that has broken a lot of waves over the years.
Yeah, tons of them.
So this one, we definitely absorbed that one pretty good.
So you've got to pitch it to your audience.
You run the risk of splitting your audience.
So you're basically taking your most ardent super fans and you're saying,
hey, pay a few bucks a month, go watch the videos early over here.
Well, the unfortunate news is those are exactly the people
that are likely to ring that bell,
and then watch the video immediately
when the notification hits their phone,
driving up the initial traction of the video,
telling YouTube this is a good video
and that they should serve it to other people.
So you're potentially splitting your audience,
you're giving this bad message to your audience,
you look like a money-grubbing butt-head,
you know, I mean a lot of people made those comments
back in the day, they used more offensive words
than butt-head though.
Basically sentiment around all this stuff
used to be more negative.
Yeah, and has the potential, depending on your audience,
to still be really negative.
I find the favorite part from my perspective
is back then most users just hated it.
Now there's a very large amount of users
that are suggesting different creators join Floatplane
because it would be good for them.
And I'm like, oh, sentiment changes over time.
Isn't that crazy?
So anyway, to make that make any sense,
the way that these contracts typically work,
I'm guessing,
just based on stuff, is that in addition to a signing bonus, and there is absolutely no way on God's green earth that Ninja didn't get a gigantic signing bonus, here's a big
bag of money to take the risk of alienating your fans and making people mad.
In addition to that, what is fairly typical is something called a minimum guarantee.
So a minimum guarantee basically takes that math that I've done in my head where I go,
wow, even if I convert like 20,000 people to this site at my stupid 30 cents a user,
I'm getting this amount of money that really doesn't look worth it for me.
You're relating a lot of this to YouTube.
It's way easier for the Twitch side.
I have this many paying subscribers.
Yeah, oh yeah, right,
because you've already even got people paying.
Okay, okay, cool.
So.
This is my growth rate.
This is my paying subscribers.
So it's really easy to kind of forecast
what your revenue is gonna look like in the future.
With YouTube, it's sort of more of a risk.
And also, you don't have to leave behind your AdSense,
which is another difference in the equation.
But anyway, that doesn't change the concept.
The concept is called a minimum guarantee.
So it takes that math that you're doing in your head,
going well, this doesn't make any sense for me
unless I can hit these mondo astronomical numbers.
And it takes the guesswork out of it.
They basically go, okay, even if you only manage to bring 500 people over to the platform,
we're going to pay you as though you brought over 5,000 or 50,000 or 500,000.
That's your minimum guarantee.
Now, you have the potential for additional earnings on top of that.
Let's say the threshold for Ninja was 500,000.
on top of that. Let's say the threshold for Ninja was $500,000. If he manages to bring on $600,000 or $700,000, $800,000, $900,000, he can get extra, but at least that takes some of the uncertainty
out of the deal. So I can pretty much guarantee that Ninja has some kind of giant signing bonus
as well as something called a minimum guarantee. Now, it's possible that Microsoft's deal here or
that in Microsoft's deal the minimum guarantee is in the form of these free
subscribers yeah like hey we'll allow up to this many people to subscribe for
free apparently it's days two months two months two months for free two months
two months for free it's also possible that that two months for free two months are free oh it's also possible that that two
months for free could be the signing bonus yeah uh but i i don't know i i'm actually you know
what no i take that back i'm sure there's just a cash how many days you have to sign up
okay yeah so you get the first two months for free but i don't know how long you have
to sign up for free yeah i'm actually not sure yeah so I forget
how I got onto this topic but that is probably how the deal worked and that is
pretty much how vessel deals allegedly worked oh I did like allegedly oh do we
know that or is that judging by allegedly contracts i've seen
oh yeah okay they're streaming sites um so yeah i don't know if you guys can hear nick off camera
but um it's i mean you never sign a contract like this in perpetuity a you can't do that it's
illegal and b that would be super stupid because just if if ninja gets unpopular which is possible i mean the streaming game is
one of just meteoric rises to stardom and then meteoric meteors back to earth so then how they
work yeah that's how meteors work so uh so he could get unpopular line of science tips uh mixer
could just turn into a project
that Microsoft eventually kind of goes,
I'm sorry, we're doing what?
This just isn't working.
We give up.
I kind of bet you this was that pivoting moment.
You think so?
Yeah.
Okay.
This was the, do we give up or not?
If we don't give up, we do something super drastic.
If we do give up, we...
They're all over the news.
I mean, honestly, that's...
The app store's number one app is Mixer right now.
I mean, that's why I would go after Ninja.
I mean, I wouldn't go after Ninja necessarily for the audience,
because in the grand scheme of things,
even 500,000 active users is not a lot in the modern day.
Can I minorly pivot us right now?
Go ahead.
It won't take us completely off this topic,
and we can come right back to the topic.
Speaking of, I wouldn't go after Ninja for the audience.
I found this very interesting.
It's obviously not indicative of everything.
Also, I think a lot of people didn't like this,
so they might not press a like button.
But if you look at Ninja's tweet about this,
the next chapter, Mixer.com slash Ninja,
it's his pinned tweet.
It's on his Twitter right now.
166,000 likes.
Right? Yeah. Jump over to...
Oh, okay. You're totally, totally
changing gears here. Okay. Jump over to...
Hold on a second. Let's throw Luke's screen up here.
Brad Woto. Okay. Who is this?
This is the...
He's been editing videos for PewDiePie
for five years. Oh, this guy! Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Okay. He just stopped working with PewDiePie. Yep.. Oh, this guy! Yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay.
He just stopped working with PewDiePie.
Yep, I saw that. It was very positive on both sides.
It's cool, but he's not working there anymore.
I saw Felix's tweet, but I actually hadn't seen it.
Yeah, this isn't Felix's tweet.
This is Brad's Twitter.
190,000 followers.
Like, it's sizable, but it's not PewDiePie and Ninja.
It's not PewDiePie.
195,000 likes.
Really? Oh, Ninja just got's not PewDiePie. 195,000 likes. Really?
Oh, Ninja just got styled on by an editor
from like over there somewhere.
Pretty cool.
Are you hating?
I'm just saying, I'm just saying,
someone leaving a YouTube channel
and going on to do their own things,
it's a departure.
Yes.
He's not going to be working on things that people like anymore. He's not going to be working on things that people like anymore.
He's not going to be working on the channel people like anymore, all that kind of
stuff. People might still like him. He's going to be working on his own things.
Absolutely.
More likes than ninjas. Okay.
Just saying. Well, good job,
Luke. Thank you.
Investigative journalism. Thank you for contributing
that to our WAN show today. Dove in hard.
Absolutely. I think Brad was
a big reason for PewDiePie's shift in content direction
and all that kind of stuff, and I think it's really cool,
and I'm excited for his future.
But, yeah, I just found it interesting that these are happening at the same time.
Yeah.
Ninja has quite literally 20 times as many followers on Twitter.
4.62 million followers on Twitter versus 160,000, 190,000,
which, again again it's
sizable but so let's let's let's ignore the money for a second because you know
both you and I I mean I feel like maybe we're being unfair okay really focusing
on the money here okay let's hear let's hear in ninjas own words yeah why he
made the move yeah this is a quote here yeah I feel like this is a really good chance to get back in touch with my roots and really no straight face stop I feel like this is a really
good chance to get back in touch with my roots and really remember why I fell in
love with stream games in the first place. Damn it.
I thought I was fine, honestly.
I'm going to try again.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, give me a sec.
I've got to bite my cheek here.
I feel like this is a really good chance to get back in touch with my roots and really remember why I fell in love with stream games.
What does that even mean?
I don't know.
He says it another time, too.
He has a tweet that follows up the main tweet that is like, oh, everything's still going to be cool.
I'm still going to...
And it's interesting how he addresses twice
in the original tweet,
that my win rate isn't going to change.
Things are still going to be good.
To be fair, I think he used to stream on MLG TV,
which was a more interactive platform,
and Mixer, I think, is a more interactive platform.
There is more interactions on Twitter.
On Mixer, sorry.
Okay, all right.
Okay, okay.
Mixer is actually, like, surprisingly different
than Twitch, all things considered.
They have some pretty cool things through the platform.
There's some things that, like,
no offense to the Mixer team,
they feel a little jank sometimes,
but there is some interesting forms of interaction.
Yeah, those who live in glass houses and stuff.
Shots fired from an alpha.
Shots fired from an alpha, yeah.
I mean, we have our own jank things, too.
It's cool, bro.
I love you.
But, like, yeah, it is notably different.
Like, when you first check out the site, you're like, oh, okay, it's a Twitch clone.
But once you use it a little bit more, it's like, nah, nah, it's different.
Okay, so would you switch to Mixer to get, excuse me, to really remember why you fell in love with streaming?
I like, no, probably not.
Okay.
I'd stream in both places if Twitch wouldn't be like, meh.
So some people have speculated that he made the jump in order to have better work-life balance.
He told the New York Times in December 2018 that the longest vacation he ever took was his honeymoon,
which was six days in total, and called it devastating,
adding that it was a calculated risk.
He added that taking even a couple hours off means losing 200 to 300 subscribers each hour.
That's crazy.
That is brutal.
That's absolutely crazy.
By contrast, in addition to features on the site,
Mixer is less saturated.
So there's only 69,000 streamers.
So he's kind of the king on Twitch,
but there's some contenders.
And Mixer is growing.
He will be the god on Mixer,
even though it is growing.
That's true.
And their current viewer count
increased by about 200% in 2018.
So I think we're not going to say
too much more about this,
but the response from the community, people are criticizing him for leaving a platform that helped him get where he is.
Twitch said, we've loved watching Ninja on Twitch over the years.
We're proud of all he's accomplished for himself and his family and the gaming community.
Wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.
PR, PR, PR, PR, PR, PR, PR.
I mean, here's my kind of take to that. You know, how can you be upset with him for leaving the platform that I think...
Creators are allowed to beware and do whatever they want.
Like there's...
Okay.
So here's the thing.
There is a relationship element to what we do.
And by we, I mean online content creators.
Nick, we're good.
We don't need you to supervise me saying anything dumb about Vessel anymore.
That's not why I'm here.
Oh, why are you here?
For merch stuff.
Oh, you're here for merch stuff.
Oh, I thought.
I've just been waiting to jump in.
Oh, he's been standing there.
And I thought, I felt like kind of watched.
Like, oh, I need to be careful what I say because Nick's going to yell at me.
Dude, Vessel isn't a real company anymore.
Get in here.
Get in here.
Somebody at LTX suggested we buy Vessel.com.
I think it's like 20K.
Really?
Yeah.
It's for sale?
Should we redirect it to Flowplay?
Should we buy it?
Should we buy it?
Buy it now on the web.
Oh, my goodness.
Guys, okay.
We're going to kickstart this.
If we sell 1,000 shirts in the next hour,
if you do elemental
you get... Oh, yeah.
So you buy four, you get them for 50?
Okay. So,
sorry guys, I gotta, you know what?
Sorry, I didn't mean to be a distraction. No, no, no,
it's fine. Okay, so let's finish up the
mixer discussion.
Oh, yeah, right. So we, we
as online content creators,
on the one hand, there is an element of relationship with the platform like i when people ask me uh you know one
of the first things you ask someone when you when you meet them for the first time is like um what
do you do what do you do and my response is almost always unless they're like really old and i don't
think they're gonna understand what I'm talking about,
I am a YouTuber.
Yeah.
That's my response.
It's not I do YouTube.
Oh God, mine's so complicated.
It's I am a YouTuber.
Yeah, yours is really complicated.
Just hashtag it's complicated.
I am a YouTuber.
And so I do feel like
there's something to be said
for riding the horse that got me here with that said
this is business and business is not necessarily all about money the way that i see business is
is money is obviously a component but business is about making things make sense so good business when I enter into some kind of arrangement whether it's with Luke or a landlord or Brandon or or you our community or a partner
like you know Squarespace or something like that when I when I enter into a
relationship it's about making it make sense because if it doesn't make sense
for both parties you end up with Vessel.com.
Vessel signed a deal with me that didn't make any sense. It made great sense for me,
but not for them, which is not sustainable. I think everything they did didn't make any
sense for them. So the thing is that in order for business to work, things have to make sense
for both parties. So this is a case where it no longer
made sense for ninja in the context of other factors that we don't necessarily know work-life
balance could have been part of it money could have been part of it participating on a smaller
platform and being a huge fish in a small pond might actually be part of it. This could be a very cool way for him to do a kind of, and I know it's Microsoft, but
hear me out a little bit, to do a more like kind of startup-y thing.
He can't do that.
He's way too big.
But if he goes from Twitch to a new platform, he might have the ability to drive the direction
of the platform a little bit.
Yeah, maybe he wants to reinvent himself a little bit too.
We don't know.
have the ability to drive the direction of the platform. Yeah, maybe he wants to reinvent himself a little bit, too.
We don't know.
So basically what I'm saying is don't blame a creator for leaving a platform.
Blame a platform and a creator for not meeting in the middle, whatever that deal looks like.
You know, just don't be mad at Ninja.
Don't be mad at Twitch.
Understand that these are two adults, more than two, you know, Ninja, Agent, Twitch.
He's got a whole team.
Their whole C-suite probably was involved in this.
Yeah.
But these are adults, and they're getting a deal done, or they're not getting a deal done,
and if there's no deal, then you find a different deal.
Yeah, like, I find it hilarious that Brad's thing has more likes than Ninja's thing,
but I don't hate the move.
He can do whatever he wants.
Sounds good.
Shoot, what did I say I was going to talk about after this?
That's one of the reasons why Floatplane
doesn't have any exclusivity things in it at all
and will help you leave if you want
because we believe in creator choice.
That actually is a thing.
That's it.
Sorry, what did I say I was supposed to talk about
after this, though?
Merch.
Oh, yeah, right.
Oh, yeah, sorry, guys.
So, lttstore.com.
We have a bit of a situation.
I'm not going to blame anyone in particular.
As you have before.
Oh, there we go.
Well, no, no, I'm blaming Nick for Elemental
because I'm taking the blame for the cable ties.
So that's how we've decided to split it up.
The cable ties are my bad.
These are an overstock problem.
We have a plan to try and get rid of them and like everything's pretty good except this this is the elemental
shirt I don't know what the name means I don't really know what we were thinking
it looks nice it's fine there's nothing wrong with it it just didn't really
resonate and we sell like I don't know a handful of them a week normally so we have a special deal
because we have like 4,000 of them or something yeah no these are like a big problem yeah I'm
wearing one right now uh I looked for the other ones and then was like all right all right very
comfortable very nice shirt it's still an American Apparel shirt. I think, honestly, your biggest problem is that you made way cooler shirts.
I think that is the biggest problem, and we launched them right after.
They're fine.
These are totally fine.
And now you can get four of them for $50, which is actually a pretty darn good deal for four American Apparel shirts.
All you have to do is add four of them to your cart, and the discount will be automatically applied.
Okay.
Straight up just, like, comfy shirt shopping?
That's not bad.
They're actually really nice shirts.
Straight up fire sale.
Please take these off our hands.
Okay, sweet.
And then while you're at it, while you're at it,
please buy a cable tie pack.
Or check out some of the other like actually much cooler designs constellations in
stock in small and large uh oh wow processors like out of stock that sucks that's a really nice shirt
uh i don't have a hard drive one it's out of stock in my size yeah hard drives are really nice i know
this one you can grab a water bottle hat stealth we actually have a lot of products now okay okay
okay i'm not supposed to show you guys
this stuff, but I'm gonna do it,
because I don't care, YOLO, you know, how many times?
He swipes the hangout message off his screen.
I don't care that you're trying to stop me
from doing something terrible.
How many times do you live, right, once?
Check these out, I'm gonna show these to the audience too.
I have seen these.
You have seen these?
Oh man, okay. I have no easy, I don't have airdrop. I don't have airdrop
I have no easy way to get this picture from here to here. So I'm actually you're signed into your email there
I'm gonna do this the jankiest way possible. You could have done it pretty easily
You literally have drive on there and that's stored in drive. Where's the focus ring on this?
Which one's the focus ring? There are alternative options to what you're doing. That's fine.
That actually looks pretty good.
Oh, yes.
Look at the bokeh.
Oh, Brandon's going to handle it for you.
Oh, man.
If you could put it back, that would be great, Brandon,
because I'm not going to be able to handle that.
Yeah.
But, oh, man.
Oh, man.
So those actually are not here yet.
That's just a picture that our supplier took for us
of the circuit board LTT water bottle design
in some different color combinations.
I am super excited because...
What's your favorite one?
I was going to ask you, but I guess you asked first.
I thought you might have been going there,
so I blurted it out really fast.
I like black on White.
What?
Okay, that's my favorite one.
I don't think it's going to be.
No, see, that's bull crap.
That's why you made me do it first.
No, no, no, no.
You can ask Nick.
No, you're like the weird clingy person on a date.
No.
Okay?
No.
It's like, oh, what are you going to get?
Spaghetti.
Wow, I was going to get the spaghetti.
I was going to pick that, too.
It's like, oh, what's your favorite book?
Are you going to get your Parmesan?
Catcher in the Rye.
Oh, wow, that's my favorite book, too.
We should both kill John Lennon.
Do it together.
We'll bond.
We'll rot in prison together forever.
I don't think it's going to be the most popular one, though.
I don't think so.
I think the black on black and the white on white are going to be the most popular ones,
if I had to wager a guess.
I like that one, but it's very striking so it was actually um
it was actually project snow blind the white on white that prompted us to go back um and maybe
see if there's other color combinations we want to explore so i said the black and white one yeah
and then nick was like okay yeah but we think this one will do a lot better oh gold on black
gold on black i think gold on Black is going to crush it.
That's my second favorite.
And I agree that it'll crush it.
I don't necessarily think it's my second favorite.
I kind of want to do both,
because, like, they look so good,
but the minimum order quantity,
I think it's like 2,000 units or something stupid like that.
So I like...
That's a lot of water bottles, dude.
Yeah, that's a lot of water bottles.
Six months later.
All right, guys, we're fire sale water bottles.
Four water bottles for the price of one.
Step right up, folks.
Five bucks.
In all seriousness, though, that's not going to happen.
No.
We're only going to do that with, like, truly desperate things.
You know what is actually moving surprisingly well?
The underwear.
Dude, they're good.
I bet you I would really, really, really like to see stats on this.
Because they're decently expensive.
Yeah.
And it's underwear.
And that's very like, you know.
But I bet you return customers.
Oh, yeah.
Return customers for the underwear is going to be a huge thing.
They'll buy some underwear.
And then like a little bit later, it's going to be like, okay, maybe a couple more.
I think so.
And I bet you that's going to happen. I think so that's gonna happen i think so i think that's absolutely gonna happen
yeah um it's it's funny we've actually given them away to some content creators no obligation
whatsoever we're just like here's some underwear do nothing with it burn it for all i care here's
some underwear and of their own volition no prompting from us
We've actually had multiple people just post on Twitter Wow those are actually
Shockingly comfortable as they are they're really good. Did we get you any?
How are they?
Oh, yeah, so uh you know why don't you just come and say hi to everybody so
You know why don't you just come and say hi to everybody so
Alex from low spec gaming low spec gaming low spec game is that it low spec gumming you're gonna get it someday. Yeah. Yeah
Alex from low spec gamer actually dropped by the studio today. I didn't know you were coming Why are you still here LTX ended like like five days ago? I needed a week off
Oh, I did it. I'm surprised you guys
They're still like churning at it like it's impressive. We took two days off
Blaine didn't actually Riley didn't at least one of the editors didn't I'm pretty sure mark was here
I'm pretty sure Dennis was here. Okay. They're a fair number of people that actually didn't get any time off
I'm going insane looking at my feed and realizing that every invited creator
already published his like, expo video.
MARK MANDELMANN Are you doing a video?
FRANCESC CAMPOY FOSTERO FOSTERO Yeah.
MARK MANDELMANN Oh, cool.
FRANCESC CAMPOY FOSTERO FOSTERO But I'm like,
midway through the script.
And everyone, Science Studio had it like hours
after event was done.
MARK MANDELMANN I know.
FRANCESC CAMPOY FOSTERO FOSTERO It's like, how even?
MARK MANDELMANN Yeah.
MARK MANDELMANN He's crazy.
He's crazy.
I've actually been watching every single video about LTX
just because like, and feel free to say negative things
too everyone's been super positive which has been awesome but that's actually not helpful
because we need to know what to do better next year fair we'll have like a like a roast so in
the at the end okay perfect that actually sounds very helpful anyway he he wanted to stop and watch
the WAN show in person uh so I was like, yeah, cool. Thanks for allowing me to just stare creepily
from a corner.
I kinda like it when people watch.
Anyway, you can send Luke back in.
We should probably do our sponsor spots.
Now, I don't know what happened on YouTube,
but we dropped 10,000 viewers from 548 to 553.
Do you guys hate us talking about merch that much?
Elemental's not going to be a problem anymore.
Oh, is Elemental moving?
Oh, okay.
The feed is just like...
Oh, nobody's watching because they're all busy buying cheap T-shirts.
Some people bought like eight.
Really?
It's a really good deal for shirts. Yay! shirts we can't do that all right thanks Nick we should probably also talk through our sponsor hold on hold on hold on wait wait wait okay what do you do
this now or should we wait and see if the viewers can come back up um let's do it now because there's an interesting
drop here epos vox is in the chat says the underwear super comfy oh good said it live in
the chat nice yeah uh okay so that leads us perfectly into some floatplane news um this is
kind of a big deal floatplane for linus media Group is getting more expensive. So there's going to be a couple
of stages of this. Stage one, it is going from $3 to $5 for the basic early access to Linus Media
Group stuff. There's also some like behind the scenes stuff, some meet the team videos, some
cool stuff like that. That's going from $3 to $5. The reason for that is that $3 just doesn't make sense from a content creator standpoint,
from a floatplane standpoint.
So much of that $3 is just going to payment processing.
It technically doesn't make a difference for the floatplane side of things.
Oh, that's actually true.
So it's mostly for the content creators.
So you know what?
I think I should probably just go pretty deep inside baseball on this, shouldn't I?
Sure. Okay. So here's the thing um floatplane is able to survive on a fairly slim take um but right
now we're asking the content creator to also take a very slim take and the reason for that was
because we we built that three dollar pricing model back when floatplane was basically broken.
Like it would frequently not work.
AJ's over there just like, yeah.
So the message to our supporters was,
thank you guys so much,
but also we're not comfortable charging you
any more than this for this service
because it might be broken 10 of the
time we don't know we're trying really hard over here but we know that it's kind of jank um so so
that was where that pricing came from also because linus media group and floatplane inc have some
significant overlap in their investors and management. We struck a really amazing deal
where everyone kind of took one for the team
and as long as we could get anyone to subscribe on it,
that would really help us keep our burn rate down
and support the project
without going out and seeking outside investment,
which would have other controlling interests
coming in and telling us what to do.
Which is gross.
It would be really unpleasant.
Or asking our community to kickstart it or something stupid like that. Which is also gross. We didn't what to do. Which is gross. It would be really unpleasant. Or, you know, asking our community to, like,
kickstart it or something stupid like that.
Which is also gross.
We didn't want to do anything stupid.
We wanted to do a slow, sustainable build.
And we are at the point now
where we are confident enough in the product
that we are ready to roll out
what we consider to be more sensible pricing.
So for 1080p video, it's going to be $5 a month.
For all of LMG's channels... Oh, yeah, right, one of the other reasons.
We are bringing more creators onto the platform now.
And LMG's content output as a 25-person team is not fair.
If we're doing that at $3, it's going to put pressure on other creators to lower their prices.
Not that you should actually compare different creators' pricing on Fulping
because that also doesn't make any sense.
But it's a bad look,
and it kind of looks like Linus Media Group
has some kind of advantage,
like maybe it's getting a 100% deal
or something like that,
when in actuality, it is not.
So EposVox, Science Studio, and UFD Tech
are all signed on.
The ink is hardly dry
Yeah, yeah, there's also other creators that are joining
The only reason why we're naming these three is these are the three that have like signed contracts and put channels on you
Just can't subscribe to them yet. Yeah, EPOS is like
Super ready. Yeah in the chat right now and like it is he the only, we've just been holding him back a little bit
so that LMG can do the $5 switch and stuff
so that optics aren't a little weird.
That's the only reason.
He's been ready for like two weeks now,
actually way longer than that.
He's just been on the platform for like two weeks now.
Yeah, so the $5 switch is to make sure
that it's not bad optics for other creators
and also make sure that,
I mean, like the discussion we had around Vessel, make sure that it's not bad optics for other creators and also make sure that, I mean like the discussion we had around Vessel,
make sure that it actually makes sense
to support these two separate audiences
and these two separate communities this way.
The second change that is going to take place
is sometime in the near-ish future,
each Linus Media Group channel is going to be split out
into a separate floatplane channel.
And the reason for that, again, is that we don't want to set a weird, unrealistic expectation
that $5 a month gets you all of the tech news you can eat, all of the tech quickie you can
eat, and all the Linus tech tips you can eat, like literally 13 videos a week of early access,
when that will not, or 11 or whatever it works out to when that will not be sustainable for other creators so a couple of things
one if you subscribe to floatplane right now in the next two days this five dollar switch for lmg
is going to go live on sunday night if you do it in the next two days, we will grandfather you in at the existing $3 rate.
Thank you for supporting the platform.
Appreciate it.
After that, I have no idea how it works
once we split things out.
What I suspect is that we will leave the $3 rate,
but it will probably be $3 per channel.
Is there a technical way for us to do that?
That's up to you guys.
Is there a way, though?
For the grandfathered people only.
So for the grandfathered people...
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, there's a way.
We've been talking about it.
It's not going to work.
You know what?
That sounds really hard,
so here's what we're going to do instead.
So if you sign up now,
it's $3 a week.
You get the whole LMG thing
until we split it out.
Then it's $3 for just LTT,
and any changes to your subscription
in the future are going to have to be at the normal
rates on a per-channel basis. We
have to make the platform sustainable for everyone,
and that means that we
can't really give a special deal
to LTT subscribers.
I haven't actually talked to
Kyle and TechDeals about this yet,
so I don't know when they want
to roll things, so I should probably check in with them.
So the platform is set up in a way that we aren't actually in between the creator and the user in terms of their agreement.
So I don't set any price.
As the platform, because right now you're talking as LTT Lions.
Yes.
And I'm talking as Flowplane Luke.
Yes.
Whatever.
So as the platform, I don't set any prices for any creators.
They set whatever they want.
Someone could come in and be like, yeah, I make one video every 742 days,
and it costs $50,000 a month to subscribe to my thing.
I'd be like, hey, so that doesn't make any sense.
But they could do it if they wanted.
That's totally up to them.
All right. So why don't we
do one more... By the way, can I spit some hot fire for
a second? Sure. You're totally
welcome to join. I just noticed
you're on Nebula, and I was like, oh, I don't know
what this means, so... Oh, yeah.
You don't have to talk about it
now if that's an uncomfortable subject.
Just invite us out.
That's all. If you don't want to talk about it, it's totally cool. Just invite is out. That's all.
If you don't want to talk about it, it's totally cool.
We should do one more quick topic here.
What to expect
from Samsung's Unpacked.
It's August 7th in Brooklyn.
I didn't get an invite, so you don't
expect me to be there.
But it's going to be the Galaxy Note 10.
We're expecting a Plus or a Pro model with an
even larger screen, 6.8 inches instead of 6.3.
Can I point out that 6.8 inches
is dangerously close to tablet size?
Like, remember the Google Nexus tablet?
Yeah.
Hasn't there been tablets that are
that exact size or smaller?
Like seven inches, yeah.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Anyway, it'll have a time of flight sensor,
which is cool, I guess.
4,300 milliamp hour battery, 12 gigs of RAM,
possibly a Snapdragon 855+.
There could be a 5G model.
We're also expecting a Galaxy Watch Active 2
with ECG detection, fall monitoring,
and we're expecting the removal of the spinning bezel
in favor of touch.
Possibly we'll get a more specific release date
for the Galaxy Fold as well.
Man, wouldn't that have been embarrassing
if they made it all the way to the next phone launch
without even knowing when the Fold is launching.
So there's a significant amount of 6.5 inch tablets.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, here, hold on, let me get on your screen there.
Significant amount of tablets that would be cheaper,
or sorry, smaller than that phone.
Definitely cheaper as well.
Yeah, cheaper too.
But I did mean smaller.
Both, yeah, both.
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I've just been waiting I haven't said anything I've been waiting to see if
Colton or Jono will ever fix it you should get your own distro so far no
Linus Linux?
I love it.
Can you make it so?
Is that the kind of thing that I can just kind of let go?
No?
Okay.
Sounds like more work than that.
Yeah.
Actually, I don't really think so.
No, probably not,
because all you have to do is just take Ubuntu
and just be like...
Just repackage.
Yeah, Lubuntu.
In fact, I think Lubuntu...
Isn't that a thing?
Hold on a minute. Yep think Lou bun to another thing hold on a minute
Yep Lou bun to is already
Okay, then he's just shaking his head
All right Google was ordered to halt human review of voice recordings the The source here is Coralie on the forum
and also techcrunch.com where
the actual original source came from.
So a German privacy watchdog has ordered
Google to cease
to...
to uh...
uh...
manual review
of audio snippets
generated by its voice AI.
Dang it.
What's the German one?
I know attention.
Stop.
Stop in German.
Stop in German.
I should know this.
I really should.
Halt.
Really?
Oh.
Well, we already said halt.
Well, it sounds the A is a little bit more.
Yeah, I'm sure it is.
Yeah.
So this follows a leak last month of scores of audio snippets from the Google Assistant Service.
So a contractor working as a Dutch language reviewer handed more than a thousand recordings to the Belgian news site VRT,
which was then able to identify some of the people in the clips.
It reported being able to hear people's addresses, discussions medical conditions and recordings of a woman in distress article 66 of the ddpr to begin an urgency
procedure allows a dpa to order data processing to stop if it believes there is an urgent need
to act in order to protect the rights and freedoms of data subjects so google says it responded on
july 26th and already sees the practice taking the decision to manually suspend audio reviews of Google Assistant across the whole of Europe and doing so on July 10th after learning of the data leak.
So you're saying Article 66 is causing voice record reviewing to cease to exist?
Really weird referential joke that no one's going to get.
All right.
What about over here?
Disappointed.
I'm sorry. I actually wasn't listening.
I was trying to make an Order 66 joke.
I don't actually know what Order 66 even is.
Isn't that a Star Wars thing or something?
Kill all the Jedi.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Okay, well, I'm sorry.
It was a bad joke anyways.
Yeah.
That's okay.
You know what?
I appreciate it.
Google says manual reviews of Google Assistant queries
are a critical part of the process of building speech technology.
Okay, that is fair.
I feel like there is stuff that they could do to properly anonymize it, though.
What I feel like is interesting.
Like, why don't they just, like, shift it?
Like, pitch shift it.
Voice changer?
Yeah.
Why aren't they doing this to all the other ones?
Why is it just Google?
I don't know.
That's the weirdest thing I found on this.
With that said, Apple is suspending a similar human review quality control program for its Siri voice assistant.
It doesn't seem to be linked to any sort of regulatory order.
Okay. contractors working for Apple regularly hear confidential details on Siri recordings, such as audio of people having sex,
and identifiable financial details,
regardless of the processes Apple uses
to anonymize the records.
Yeah, that's the price.
Apple, on the other hand,
has actually suspended these manual reviews worldwide.
Okay.
What else do we have going on here?
There's huge ads in space,
which is just kinda of like silly.
Whoa, you can play Diablo in a web browser.
Let's do it now.
Hold on just a ticking minute here.
This is pretty cool because it's the demo.
Oh, my goodness.
Look at this ad.
Look at this site.
Oh, Extreme Tech.
So the other article was that there's going to be ads in space.
So Extreme Tech is definitely on board with that.
That is not an actual quote, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So it's only the demo.
It's the shareware version of the game.
But if you have a copy of Diablo and you find your Diabat.mpq file,
if you drag and drop it into the window you unlock the full game no way yeah
remember game demos really cool okay can we can we just play this where's the link uh just go to
rivsoft's website play shareware there we go okay we are playing we are playing diablo right now
where's my backpack you know what's amazing uh Floatplane was landing in the LMG lounge after hours one night.
Yeah.
And we played Diablo 1.
Like, on this?
Three of us.
Not on this.
No.
Oh, my goodness.
Multiplayer's great.
This is incredible.
Okay.
Well, I'm going to have to go Sorcerer.
Really?
Did you play Sorcerer?
It's hard. Oh, that's right. You can't in Really? Do you play Sorcerer? It's hard.
Oh, that's right. You can't in the...
No, you can't in the demo. You can only play Warrior.
It's okay. Warrior's kind of better.
So, one thing that was brutal, we all played this.
Friendly Fire is on.
So, the rogue actually has a bow.
And you shoot your teammates in the back all the time.
It's really brutal.
I killed Yuki.
Really? I didn't know
it was possible. Wow.
I was shooting and I saw his character
flinching, but I was like, oh, he must just be
getting hit by something else. And then he died
and it was definitely me. I felt really bad.
I can't...
You know what? I give up. Sure, let's go.
Wow!
That looks like about
exactly how it's supposed to look
Yep
Hello my friends
The well is poisoned already
I gotta go get the butcher
Talk to K-
What really?
I don't remember it being quite this cut down
This is the shareware version
Did you play the demo back in the day?
Yeah
I did before I got it
I don't remember the demo
I remember my mind being blown When I found out that you could just hold down the mouse button
and you would just walk towards it forever instead of having to click all the time.
Yeah.
One thing that kind of hurt me going back to this game so recently was that you can still do the tab thing.
Wow, there's loading times.
Sorry, I'm listening.
You can still do the tab thing to permanently show your map on the screen,
which really helps with dungeon navigation. Yeah. But I don't think it has the show item thing
I believe that was holding alt and it like named all the items that were on the counter made it really easy to pick them
up
So like staves and stuff are actually really hard to see
It's just a stick
Actually really hard
I never knew about that feature at all So I always just would find stuff
Because I can see and I have eyes that work
Well no that feature was I think it came in in D2
Oh okay that explains
So I never played Diablo 2 I only played this game
D2 was really good
D2 was an amazing game
I tried to get into it like years later
That's probably going to be hard
It was not actually a very good time
Back in the day though D. Yeah. Back in the day, though.
Back in the day.
D2 was amazing.
Back in the day.
Back in the day.
Where's my maps?
You know, D2 is what got me into computers, right?
Really?
Yeah, because I've told this story a few times.
Because the computer I used to play D2 on stopped working.
And I was like, well, got to fix that.
Is Twitch going to kick me out of the partner program?
I am technically game streaming on YouTube right now.
Yeah.
Oh, shoot. Well, me and Ninja both yeah yeah we're done mixer we're done tight yep time we're
going to mixer kids just kidding that ain't happening all right hold on I mean you could
you already stream on three other platforms remember when games were hard like when you
opened your inventory and like stuff
Just kept attacking you and stuff. Yeah, I love when you pick up armor. That's almost destroyed already. That's like super awesome
Sorry where's my map? This is this is the best ending to a WAN show that we've ever had. I thought M is supposed to be map
Are you guys still streaming? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just playing Diablo 1 yo with a touchpad which by the way is not an amazing experience
We like we like have it set up in the LAN Center if you just want to go play there. Oh man
I'm kind of tempted. I don't know what's going on tonight, though
I think I might have to like actually see my kids cuz we had LTX this weekend stuff those walking
Those walking corpses kids are cool deal a lot of damage, man. Dude, this game is hard.
No, my kids are never going to watch this garbage.
It's really hard.
We were playing, and, like, I died at least once.
Because, like, the other thing, too, is...
You mean because you're noob?
Yeah, probably.
Because you're spoiled by your Diablo 2?
Yeah.
If you're out of health potions and you go low in health, you have to walk all the way back.
Yeah.
Until you get, like, Scrolls of Town Portal.
So annoying.
Like, the third or fourth level.
But it's like, holy crap.
Yeah, it's pretty dumb.
And the movement's, like, kind of jank, even with the hold press thing.
Yeah, I know.
Well, hold press is more for, like, walking around in town.
If you can call it a town, there's, like, four people that live in it.
Oh, you have a demon problem?
Why don't you move?
Yeah, why don't all six of you?
If you build, like, two carts, you're probably good.
They literally have a cart that, like, the peg-legged boy stands next to.
Why don't you all just get in it? Yeah. And go somewhere else.
Yeah.
And why do they have such a gigantic, like, church?
Church thing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe everyone died.
Oh, that's sad.
All right, so thanks for tuning in to The WAN Show.
We'll see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.
Russians are trying to put ads in space.
Also, Alphabet overtakes Apple as the world's most cash-rich company. Yeah, bye. See ya. Oh
No super chat. Ah
Did we save it? No I didn't stop yet nice nice okay here. We go Luke and his minions makes me sound evil. Thanks
QH ti 9 that doesn't sound evil at all Marcos Marcos most
Linus looks like the guy who got hit by the truck in the Bride of Chucky movie.
Thanks.
William says, it was good to see WAN Show live last week at LTX.
That was really fun.
Genuinely thanks.
Mew Production says, this is my first time seeing the intro.
I've been listening on Apple Podcasts for over a year.
Wow.
Really?
Interesting.
You're the guy yeah
yeah wow neat and now now it's three people yeah yeah a broken tv says you're now two dollars
closer to cashing out via adsense um we get over our threshold for adsense pretty regularly so it's
just an extra two dollars but thank you appreciate it jake says story went on vacation
and took a bunch of pics went to edit pics and when i put the card into the pc it told me to
format somehow lost all pics freaked out found easy us used it works two days later saw an ad
spot on a vid coincidence neat you know what cool story yeah uh jeremy says use this for ltx 2020 it's 20 bucks many
thanks to the entire team you are very welcome robert had a great time at ltx 19 it's grown so
much from ltx 18 byoc was more fun uh that i though it was going to be then i thought it was
going to be people were amazing highlight of ltX was driving Linus to the Convention Center after his ride left him at headquarters
I saw that can't wait for LTX 20 trying to find him because he didn't have his car
So I had like a couple different potential solutions. I go outside and he's just like hey
I'm in here from the back of some random car. I'm like okay got a ride back to the convention
Don't get kidnapped have fun
Gabriel says thanks for the i7 the LTX flasher.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like basically ripped off his shirt to get a Core i9.
Oh, no, it wasn't i7.
What is it, Nick?
Do you want to know how many Elementals we sold?
Oh, Nick has a merch update for us.
Do you want to know the number of how many we sold already?
Sure, why don't you tell us how many Elementals we sold in the last 20 minutes.
Why don't you guess?
Okay, I have to guess.
Well, he already told me some people are buying like eight at a time.
Yes.
So I'm going to say 200 shirts.
Oh, no.
Way more than that.
I don't know.
My first number was like 1,200, but I'll pull down to eight.
Not 1,200.
Eight. So it's in the last 20 minutes, 600 have sold.
We sold 600 shirts in the last 20 minutes.
So if you want an elemental shirt, you should get them before they're gone.
Dude, straight up, this is like an efficient use of money if you want a comfy shirt.
If you want four comfy shirts.
Yeah, but seriously, want four comfy shirts. Yeah. But seriously, like they're
nice shirts. So that's why
I thought so high. It's because like
it's pretty logical.
Even if you're not that into the design.
It just kind of makes sense. Okay.
And also the design's nice. And the design is nice.
There's nothing wrong with the design.
No, they're great. Yeah.
They're just not quite as like really
cool as the other ones. They're cool.
Yeah.
This is great.
Okay, so Tully Page says,
LTX was awesome.
Very disappointing.
The NVIDIA GeForce Garage PC won best in show at a LAN
when everyone else, your fans, brought their own computers.
Winner, wish a runner-up was chosen.
Judge them separate.
So the best-looking PC got a booby prize.
So we actually kind of did that on purpose.
You get a ribbon.
You get nothing.
And if I remember correctly, he refused it.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
It was just a ribbon.
Yeah, but it was Bart's.
Oh, okay.
All right.
But yeah, we actually did that just to, like, troll him.
Yeah.
Because the prize was nothing.
Everyone else got cool prizes, like the jankiest and all that other stuff.
So there was a method to the madness.
And he was cool about it.
He's a great guy.
Question for Senpai Luke from Executive.
How does Linus feel about his name being pronounced with the first syllable like Linux?
Like Linus?
Wait, what?
Yeah.
So people pronounce my name all kinds of different ways.
I don't know why you would ask him.
I don't know either.
I've never seen you negatively react to that.
I've seen it happen.
Yeah, like Linus is the French way.
People just say it like that.
Andrew says, LTT no invite.
TechYesCity to LTX.
RIP.
Okay, we are going to invite more people next year.
We were so far beyond our original creator budget,
it was not even funny. Corey says, LTX was awesome invite more people next year. We were so far beyond our original creator budget, it was not even funny.
Corey says, LTX was awesome.
Hashtag VIP.
Bardley Richard says, what kind of car should I get?
Wow, you are on totally the wrong stream, dude.
Who said if he hates driving?
I hate driving and being in cars with all my heart.
Currently have a slam 2002 PT loser. That
is what that car should have been called.
Maybe that's why you hate driving. Did you sell
your Lambo? I would do a trade
if you'd be into it. My Lambo was
no more fun than your PT
loser. I guarantee you that.
If you hate driving, maybe you
should get a scooter.
Or
a moped.
Nice.
They're different.
I'm trying.
Yep.
Good shot.
Andrew, why I fell in love with money in the first place.
Ah, yes.
This must have been back when we were talking about Ninja.
WMD240SX.
This was a super smart move by Ninja.
He had 14,000 paying subs, which is very low for his view count.
Choco Taco has the same number of subs and pulls in a fraction of the views He had 14,000 paying subs, which is very low for his view count. Choco Taco
has the same number of subs and pulls in
a fraction of the views at only 7,000
versus 50,000 for Ninja. Okay,
that's one way of looking at it.
The Red Beard. This is an opinion here, apparently.
Mixer equals advertisement
for Azure and MS Cloud business.
It's not a bad
way of thinking about it. I don't think
so, necessarily. I think they actually do want eyeballs looking at their service.
Yeah, I'm sure it does accomplish that.
I don't think that's the main goal.
Everett, for vessel.com, sends $3.
We're not buying that.
I mean, that's part of it.
$20,000, dude.
We just need all the rest.
Yeah, I'm not...
Go for it, guys.
Even if you guys sent me $20,000, I would spend it on.
Anything.
I would spend it on Valve indexes for my staff.
Oh, sick.
I'm not even part of that.
You're not on my staff.
It doesn't matter.
I want them to have it.
Oh, wow.
I took it home the other day.
I haven't tried it yet.
It's amazing.
You should come over.
Yes.
Why don't you come over?
Okay.
It's set up at my house.
Unless I bring the entire team. I should come over. Yes. Why don't you come over? Okay, it's set up at my house Unless I bring the entire team. I don't care. Okay. I mean I haven't checked with my wife
But like there they would probably love that I don't I'm not gonna have like food
Okay, we're gonna have to do like skip the dishes order. Yeah, okay
Okay, well, this is a big
Yeah, I
Would love to try it. I. I'll drag all of them along.
Whatever.
Sue Nelb says, I was hoping for an announcement when you brought up merch about Floatplane merch.
When do Floatplane fans get the option of publicly supporting Floatplane?
We've actually been getting tons of requests for this.
We need to figure this out.
Floatplane!
Because technically, Creator Warehouse is a separate company.
So our merch store actually runs as a separate company.
The idea was that at some point we could take all the lessons,
the hard lessons that we're learning about running a merch business.
Like the elemental shards.
These hard lessons.
And we could convert them into lessons already learned
for maybe other creators or something.
We don't know what that looks like
yeah but we we decided to do it as a separate company so that we would have the possibility
of pursuing that in the future yes and that's spoiler alert that's what the full plane stuff
came through so there's technically no reason that creator warehouse couldn't support float
plane to build a float plane merch business but like, like, are they really that? Maybe? It's weird.
Maybe what we should do is, like,
offer anyone on floatplane the right to use the floatplane design
and sell their own, like,
their own, like, Bitwit X floatplane merch or something
or, like, LTTX floatplane.
That would be sweet.
That would be awesome.
I'm super down.
I'm also kind of concerned about doing that, though,
because when you put your... It would have to be...
We'd have to approve the design.
Yes.
It would have to be a working relationship thing with them.
Yeah.
But that would be cool.
Okay.
Especially some of, like, the OG creators that we get on, like, the first kind of big set.
Because, like, float playing doesn't need to make money on T-shirts.
That's not the model.
No, I was actually even going to say, if we did have to set up a store a store i would need some shirts anyways because i want to send shirts to creators that join the platform
okay so like i have to hold some in stock regardless uh dimitri says yo any uk merch
buyers how much was the import tax i'll have to leave it to some of you guys to answer dimitri's
question there um xavier says yo big ups for low spec gaming I'm trolling
I was just gonna say it didn't even say that there
the guy who donated got it right
Linus is just messing with you
so apparently so you guys know
I do know his channel name
we got it wrong on the official
announcement for creators that were gonna be there
we put low spec game
I think did we leave off gamer
the R we left off Gamer? The R.
The R.
We left off the R.
So his Discord has been going nuts,
being like,
Yo, yo, LMG,
they don't respect you, yo.
They don't respect you.
They don't even know your channel name.
They suck.
And it's become kind of a meme on his Discord,
so that's why I'm,
that's why I'm, like,
hardcore feeding into it.
I do know his channel name.
Robert says,
Linus is right.
Cons need your feedback.
Let them know on the LTT forum.
Totally true.
Okay, we're pretty close to the end,
so I'm just going to do
some of the bigger ones here.
Alex C says,
Long time no see, guys.
Hi.
Also, screw tablet-sized phones.
My hands and pockets
are too small for them.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Justin says,
Random Frank P is fracking awesome.
Yep.
Is that Diablo sound effects? I think so.
Oh, that's great.
They weren't working before. I don't know what was it.
I think it forgot that it was muted when it went to
the sleep screen. We understand it's amazing.
That's weird.
Matthew Wu sent $50 and no message.
Matt, you've got to type your message.
Mark says, Wow.
Damn.
We have a plan for the volunteers
to feed you guys next year.
I am so sorry about not feeding you guys
on Saturday night.
It really felt like something we should have done,
but there was literally no place that we could go
that could accommodate all those people.
So next year, we're planning to just roll catering into the event hall. we should have done, but there was literally no place that we could go that could accommodate all those people.
So next year, we're planning to just roll catering into the event hall once it closes for the night.
And so we're going to do LMG staff, creators and their plus ones and or like camera crews
or whatever else, and our volunteers.
Also, some featured exhibitors.
Bob and Rod didn't manage to share a meal with us until Sunday night, which sucked.
And those guys have supported LTX
in so many ways. They are
freaking awesome. Also since the beginning.
Since the very beginning. They've been there since
number one, which was a little brutal.
Yeah.
Okay, we are so far over our stream
time. Yeah. Good night, guys.
We apparently have a dinner party to arrange.
See you next week okay bye
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