The WAN Show - No justice for stolen NCIX data.. - The WAN Show Jan 4 2019

Episode Date: January 7, 2019

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Hey it's WAN Show time again everyone! I've been having a lot of fun we actually just shot a crazy video so man it's not gonna be up for a while and I hate teasing stuff that's gonna be a really long time actually we shot two crazy videos today have you seen the sleeper Xbox? I have not but I've seen progress. I haven't seen the finalized video though. It's amazing. The power LED is RGB. That's pretty cool. That's the one like not obvious thing about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The front ports have been changed out for USB and they work. Okay, cool. Yeah, because they were circle. Yeah. So you could plug controllers into it and like go full retro if you want, but it also has a wireless Xbox controller adapter. So it's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's got an RTX 2070 in it with a six core processor.

So it's like powerful. That's cool. I've always really liked stuff like that. Console mods have always been cool. And it's probably the best done, like it's the most well-equipped mod we've done yet. So we actually ended up getting a metal break like just for this um it was like 700 or something like that yeah so we got like a

big metal break so that we could make the like the metal tray that goes into the plastic chassis wow yeah so that's fancy alex is getting all kinds of cool equipment over the next day we're gonna do we're gonna do some very cool videos but but no the one that I was just doing was you know those mining cards You mean the bender it's called a metal break. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like you put the thing in the Call the metal break isn't it a bender Cool all right, I was confused for a second then I was like wait no yeah, I saw that I saw him doing it Not my department. Cool. Sounds good.

All I see is the invoice. So I can tell you it's called a break. Sure. Yeah. I believe you. I just, yeah, I don't know. But the one we just did was on those mining GPUs that don't have any outputs and are driver locked so that they can't be used for gaming. Okay. Yeah. driver locked so that they can't be used for gaming okay yeah did you do something did you flash it ah you hacked very fun that's cool so we didn't actually that's like is that okay is this like two videos in one then it's no it's just one video okay because um but you convert a card to work for gaming yeah in that video yeah it's that's a packed video it's cheap it's really cheap it's like super cheap anyway we're not recommending it fire selling stay tuned stay tuned watch the video that sounds like a very do not recommend

but a very fun project at the same time it was fun yeah um so we've got a few kind of big stories for you guys today. Floatplane's busy talking about whether or not I have a dent in my head. That's fun. I do, in fact. But I'm not going to tell you why. Do you? Yeah.

It's less obvious, but it's... Here, give me your finger. I see yours. Yeah. But it's right here. Oh, yeah. It feels about the same. It's pretty denty. There you go.

Yeah. We both have dents in our head. It runs from here, but it's much shallower here, so it's less obvious. Okay, yeah. All the way back to about here. Okay, yeah. I think it's actually from hitting my head. Mine is too.

I'm not sure though. Okay. Because I didn't, okay. I'm very sure about mine. Okay, so what I did was I was running around. I must have been about, I must have been, I wasn't school-aged yet. It's my one memory from before school. Okay.

So that would lead me to think that I probably did hit it pretty hard. I was just thinking, like, hmm. Tell me yours first, though. Okay, I don't know exact age. I'm guessing three or four. My mom's in the doctor's office Yeah, I'm chillin with her in the doctor's office. Fortunately. You were in a doctor's office No exactly, this is like the best part about the whole story

I'm sitting on a chair and I both I can't show the stream this but I both my hands grabbing the edge of the chair Yeah, I'm just kind of like do to do and I just go too far No, I just went too far and just I just, I'm probably like two or three. So I just don't catch myself. Just wham! Doctor just picks me up, puts me on the table, stitch back together. I guess you're good to go. Way later down the line, we figured I have like this, yeah, divot crack kind of thing in my skull.

But it's fine. So it sounds good. Cool. Yeah. So I was playing a chase me daddy game oh boy and i was in socks and there was a hardwood floor involved and so my dad was renovating our house for the umpteenth bazillionth time and doing it himself and so you know everything was always kind of in a state of semi-finished in the house that I grew up in. And anyway, I go.

So I go whipping around a corner. My legs go out. And he had just removed the door that I was running through. And the hinge was still there. Oh, no. So as far as I can tell, the angle of it lines up such that I smoked the exposed, like the cylinder, hinge cylinder. And so it actually didn't break the skin. I didn't bleed, but I hit my head really hard.

Holy cow. And like, I still remember how upset I was. Yeah. And like that feeling, that was probably the first time in my life that I was really I have no control right now whatever happens is gonna happen and I hurt myself a lot like that was the sensation that I like it's more of an emotional memory that story hurts me I was going full bore like I was only like three or four or whatever but I was going God so. Like I was only like three or four or whatever, but I was going. Oh my God. So there you have it, guys.

You're getting the news today from people who have... Dented head. This is pre like people knowing about or caring about concussions. Yeah. But we've both got DHS. Dented head syndrome? Yeah. Nice.

I'm down. I'm 100%. Yeah, I was just, I was picking up what you were throwing down right there. like it the connection makes a lot more sense um so we've got an ncix data breach update for you guys yes also floatplane has a competitor we're going to be talking about that and other floatplane news what else are we what else is going on uh there's a migration that's still going on we'll talk about that more later okay let's go ahead and roll the intro

so oops i clicked the wrong thing. Well, that ship has sailed now. I guess we won't be showing the sponsor logos after the intro anymore. All right. So what do we want to do first? Do we want to get right into the NCIX data breach update? I want to drop a migration thingy early.

All right. I'm not going to get into it. I'm just going to do a quick thingy. It's like you can tell where he actually works. So as a lot of you, but apparently not everyone, know, we are migrating payments from linus-tectips.com to floatplane.com for floatplane subscriptions. If you have a floatplane subscription uh check out on the forum there's a banner at the top of the forum explaining

everything or if for some reason you don't see that you can go to the ltt official uh forum and then in there there's a pinned post talking about the migration i need to cancel your sub and move over to floatplane.com i'll keep it nice and short and go with that. If you cancel your subscription on the forum, this is something a lot of people seem to be confused about. If you cancel your subscription on the forum, you don't lose access to your sign-in option based account on flowplane.com. Your account is still linked. Everything's fine. It's just a sign-in option. It's not tied to your subscription being on the forum. It's just a sign-in option. Everything's cool. You can still log in. You're fine. And by the way, if you want to convert that sign-in option everything's cool you can still log in you're fine and by the way if

you want to convert that sign-in option account to a full account just sign in with the forum go to your account go to settings reset your password and then now it's a full account or a sign-in option account they're both great there you go more information on the forum huzzah um now do you want to talk about the ncix data breach so this was posted by remog on the forum the original article is from the cbc court blocks actually we should do some background here first so for the uninitiated i used to work at a canadian computer retailer called ncix um as did as did i sort of sort of yeah yours was a little more complicated like they didn't even they didn't even try to retain you like when there was a situation where i was trying to take

someone else with me for founding linus media group and they were like no if you're gonna take that person you're gonna get nothing and with luke they're just like sure does he even work here technically not well so i was a contractor i wasn't even employed same with ed yeah they just gave zero f's about you guys like see that's the thing like they don't even recognize some of their best talent on the team they're just like let it walk out the front door and then they tried to restart the channel afterwards but they let us go which was like okay i don't know i don't know i don't know anyway anyway so um i used to work at ncix um if you're not familiar with ncix they were kind of like canadian new egg and canadian

micro center but because they're canadian they were just like smaller and crappier in every way than either of those companies um not crappier in every way than new egg they've done some pretty they've done some interesting there's some interesting stuff that's happened over there actually you know what and I don't know anything about Micro Center. You know what? They were smaller. That's all I'll say. Anywho, they went out of business over a year ago. Holy crap. Like late last year. And in the course of going out of business, it became even more apparent to those of us who had worked there, and I guess became apparent to the people who didn't work there, how poorly run certain aspects of the business were. And one particular aspect of the

business that was in shockingly poorly run, as it came to light, was its data security and its management of private information. Yeah. So there was a leak that came to light. I don't remember, so I'm not going to guess, but it came to light sometime after the company announced its closure and the bankruptcy auction, which I actually attended. It was both interesting and interesting and like kind of emotional. It was interesting You can check out the video. There's actually two parts But after the bankruptcy auction it emerged that some of the servers which I had actually raised questions about in my video Not the server specifically, but the mountains of customer data that were just sitting there on pallets on the auction floor

They weren't for sale. There wasn't a lot number on them, but like, it was just there. Nothing would have prevented me from sitting there and opening a box of invoices and looking through and just reading people's addresses and phone numbers and it's like, it was right there. And so it really came to light that the handling of private data in this whole endeavor was not being done very well and one of the things that a lot of people wondered about is what about the servers because NCIX's servers were they used they

started using AWS about three years before we went down I guess but I think it was mostly as a load balancing or like traffic spike, what's the word I'm looking for, mitigation strategy. So the site itself was for the most part hosted out of servers in the warehouse itself. So that means that all the user data, any authentication that they were doing, it was all handled in-house. And to put this in perspective,

when I started, and it wasn't quite this bad by the time I left, but when I started, the server room was quite literally those, I don't think you ever saw this, those metal wire racks that you get at Costco or whatever, with old towers, full of old towers, like 30 plus, 40 plus old towers, many of them just running like durons. That was literally what ran the NCIX website back in, that must have been around 2012, no, no, no, no, because, oh wow, LMG's been around for six years, holy crap.

I gotta sell AJ on doing that. Would have been around six years before that. Save some money on infrastructure. Would have been like 2005, 2005, 2006, that era. That was already unacceptable, like even then. Yeah. So anyway, what happened was the servers showed up in a Craigslist ad. in a Craigslist ad. So it turned out that the story as far as I've been able to follow along with is that the auctioneer sold the servers as physical hardware

without any due diligence having been done either by NCIX or its bankruptcy trustee or the auctioneer actually there are three parties here that didn't do any due diligence as far as I can tell um were sold just as hardware without actually wiping them yeah because the so the landlord was frustrated because apparently they didn't get paid for some amount of months or whatever so they were trying to fire sell stuff to get money back that's why there was the auction so the landlord didn't care So they were trying to fire sell stuff to get money back. That's why there was the auction. So the landlord didn't care. And they were just like So the landlord was

arranging the auction? I think the landlord sold the servers. I think the landlord sold the servers. Okay. So there's yet another issue here. Wow. Let me check this out real quick. If you want a really, really good recount of the history of how all this kind of stuff came together uh there's privacyfly.com slash articles slash ncx underscore breach yeah they did a good

job or just google privacy fly ncx breach but basically what happened was the servers however the person got them showed up for sale on craigslist not as servers but as specifically servers with credit card information address information names phone numbers social insurance numbers which is the Canadian equivalent of a social security number a number that you unless you're under witness protection like cannot change in your life and is the kind of thing that is required. Like an employer has to collect it in order to create the T4, which is our like annual tax form and all that kind of stuff to make sure that people aren't working illegally. Like this is

actually very important information for identity thieves to get their hands on. And they were specifically selling either, I think it was like partial the data or all the data or the servers with the data if you didn't want the data getting out to anyone else. And it has been confirmed that that data, even though the police did raid the guy and confiscate the servers.

Oh, it's out. It has been confirmed that that data was out there. So anyone who shopped at NCIX or especially worked there, because they have even more information about you and me and her. Yeah. And other her and tons of other people. And me. It doesn't matter. Anyway, the point is our data is out there. So you have to make sure that you're doing everything you can to protect it, which I have taken all the sort of usual steps. And I'm not going to talk too much about what I've done, but it's done.

Luckily, I was somewhat more protected than you were, although not as protected as the customer was because I was also a customer because contractor has some barriers compared to employee. So my side is not as screwed up. So the information was just on there. A lot of it was unencrypted. I actually got an apology note. It was essentially all unencrypted.

Saying, you know, I did everything I could and sorry, I kind of said, okay. What did they do? I don't know. As far as I can tell, nothing. Not enough. I have tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas. The thing that...

D-ban is really hard hard the thing that kind of baffles me about um all of this really is because okay so the thing with a bankruptcy trustee is that they'll come in like unexpectedly so that you won't have a chance to like you know walk out of the office with a bunch of GTX whatevers, you know, to just flip on Craigslist after the fact. Like, that's a thing that happens. Like, they'll just come in and lock the doors. But, like, NCIX must have known that it was close. Like, if I knew that sometime in the next month,

I've already let all of the staff go sometime in the next month. I've already let all of the staff go. Sometime in the next month or so. You know, that might be the time to kind of, like, encrypt some drives. Yeah. I'm not saying delete everything. Like, pour gasoline on it and light it on fire. I'm saying maybe at least encrypt it. Or pour gasoline on it and light it on fire. Or that.

Or deban it. Deban's really easy. Derek's boot and nuke. Well, the thing is, like, there was a whole thing where the original owner slash trustee had a disagreement about who owned the ip of like the actual uh platform on which the site was built um because it was like sort of a separate company blah blah we tried to buy it at one point yeah anyway one of the things that they disagreed who owned was the actual customer data and that was something they were actually trying to sell so they didn't want to just light it on fire okay but you i don't think you can anyway i'm gonna jump in and say one quick thing about the landlord thing apparently

ncx's previous landlord uh was owed about 150 000 in past due rent now and they had abandoned the hardware there the landlord uh decided to try to recover some of the money at the abandoned warehouse so they worked with someone named jeff in exchange for trying to recover some of the money he was able to copy the source code and database uh because he claimed it was to help his development team on a project so he got the source code for the website and all the database information and all the servers because he was given them in order to try to sell them so then he just copied all the data off them.

Okay, so cool. That's really great. Hooray. That would be a thing. Sorry, Nick, I will get to you in one second here. We're getting through this very heavy topic here. Source code for NCIX.com. Wild. Yeah. No one probably wants it anyways probably not worth much

um okay uh shoot i forget where i was gonna go with this but anyway so this whole thing happened a lot of people were really mad and so there was a proposed class action suit yeah um about that where people were like they were mad i mean that's how class action suits get started and people's like full customer information including full address and credit card number and everything and employees like very important information was all leaked this will cause financial damage yes in some form will yeah uh or probably has already Yeah. So they were alleging that there was a massive personal data breach and that they should be compensated in some way. But the ruling on it so far is that the class action will not be allowed to proceed

against the trustee for the bankrupt NCIX, and that is the BORA group. Other defendants included NCIX's landlord and this is the really confusing thing. I don't know how NCIX managed to owe their landlord so much because they actually owned that building up until the fire sale leading up to NCIX ultimately dissolving. So they couldn't have been owing their landlord that much because they wouldn't have been paying rent until the ownership of the building actually changed. that's more common than you would think a company selling the building that it occupies no i i to raise i understand that part i don't understand that like there's i they had a lot of building space but it still shouldn't have been 150 grand

i don't they did have a lot of building space though in a pretty high desirable well i can tell i can tell you based on what i know about commercial lease rates which i know a thing or two about i can tell you that that building probably cost in the neighborhood of 40 plus thousand dollars a month to lease so it could have been three months yeah so like okay maybe it's not that unbelievable maybe they literally never paid them after they sold the building that could have happened they could have sold the building and never paid back yo we just gave you like 13 million dollars we know you have the money you owe us money like what a complicated relationship that is yeah um okay so the potential defendants for the boer group the trustee um ncix's landlord and the company

responsible for auctioning off the computer firm's old equipment so the plaintee um ncix's landlord and the company responsible for auctioning off the computer firm's old equipment so the plaintiff former ncix customer warner kipling says he gave the company his name address and debit and credit card details and claims the firm failed to properly encrypt that information and the personal data of at least a quarter million people the thing that irks me on this part is they didn't even it doesn't seem like they tried like it's not like they had a security system in place and there was a failure or a breach. It was like They had unencrypted data and they gave it away So because NCIX is bankrupt the claim against it was stayed automatically

What money there's no money Now it's possible to sue the trustee but only with the express leave of the court. This extra step is necessary to protect officers of the court, including trustees, from baseless, frivolous, or vexatious lawsuits, which would otherwise interfere with the due administration of the bankrupt state. So the Supreme Court master described the plaintiff's evidence as inherently unreliable and as bare allegations not supported by fact. The plaintiff has not satisfied even the relatively low threshold required to justify the court exercising its discretion in favor of leave. She said that there simply wasn't enough admissible evidence to allow the claim to proceed. So here's the evidence. Warners submitted an affidavit swearing his belief

that customer databases were mishandled during bankruptcy proceedings under the supervision of the trustee. There was a post on the cybersecurity website Privacy Fly by Travis During. And he alleged he'd seen customers' financial information and the personal tax details of former NCIX employees. Anyway, During filed an affidavit on behalf of Warner, but it is very difficult to extract any admissible and reliable evidence from that document. There's information taken from blog posts and YouTube

videos created by two people who said they attended the NCIX equipment auction. However, Warner did not obtain legal affidavits from those two people. So the response is that it's inherently unreliable and amounts to double hearsay. Richmond RCMP opened an investigation into the breach in September, but that ended without police recommending any charges. And basically people's privacy has been compromised, but there's really... The biggest problem I have with this is what's this essentially opened a door

for any, I guess, Canadian company in the future to just willfully sell in any data they want now that's different a legal precedent has not been set for that being okay they just haven't allowed this case to move forward okay so if you do it even slightly under the table you're almost certainly fine unless that so if the data could actually be- I'm not trying to recommend anything. I'm just saying like they got away with it pretty- If Warner here had the data set

and went, I obtained this illegally, here it is. I mean, A, that might put him in all kinds of other trouble. That might be a big problem. But anyway, that wouldn't be double hearsay. That would be, here's the actual data. That would be more difficult to ignore. So we can't say that under different circumstances, this might not have gone differently.

But what we do know... Didn't the police seize the servers? As far as I know, yeah. I don't know if they had been wiped already, though. I don't think we've gotten any further update on that. But the point is, a lot of people's data is out there. And we should all be really careful about who we give our data to because in the event that that entity disappears there's absolutely

nothing that can really be done to um this is a big part of the reason gdpr is a thing um actually you know the subject of people who are not necessarily working in your best interests, having control of your data, ties into a lot of the reason for that potential float plane. I think competitor is probably the wrong word, but potential alternative video platform that is also being worked on. In the same space. Being created.

Yeah. But first, I will let Nick jump in with whatever it is that he needs. I'm sorry, Nick, you were standing there for a while. Oh, that's fine. Just a CS question. Can you make sure you bring your Angel Bird? My Angel Bird to CES.

Do you know where your Angel Bird is? It should be here. I think it's been here for a long time. I don't know where it is. Theoretically. Ta-da! It's not in my office. I think it was given to an editor like over two years ago and never returned so I have no idea where it is

It's it's not gonna be found So in other news What are they what are they called again? Yeah, what they don't have a name for it. Is it no they don't have a name for it. Okay? There's there's multiple sections where they talk about i think that video is probably the most direct in terms of talking about it um let me see if i can find this i wouldn't play it no i'm not going to i don't want like uh yeah yeah uh basically though here's the page so jordan peterson certainly a polarizing figure um uploaded a video called goodbye to patreon on january 1st 2019 so

this was three days ago and basically the summary is that um well there's a lot of stuff in there that i'm not going to unpack on this show but the summary is that right now the position that PayPal, MasterCard, Visa. I think it's the main one that I know of is MasterCard. Yeah. And the like. But, well, it's that the position they're in. But it's payment processors. Yeah.

Is one of such power that it has the potential to cause enormous problems for freedom of expression. enormous problems for freedom of expression. And that is something that we have actually been discussing already because of what's been going on over at Patreon. And we have already been working on our own contingency plans for Floatplane. But in a nutshell, what happened was a couple of, again, I'm just going to call them polarizing figures because that's the easiest, most neutral way that I can go about this. And really is our position neutral good switzerland yeah a couple of polarizing figures were recently banned from patreon removed from the platform forcibly in some cases over actions that they had taken that were not actually even on the patreon platform yeah patreon's position in all of this has been that we're sorry this has to happen but it has

to happen because at the end of the day if mastercard doesn't like something that you said over there and tells us if we allow money to be funneled to you, then they're just going to pull the ability for us to accept MasterCard money outright from the site, which would hurt thousands, tens of thousands of other creators. Then we just are going to have to kick you off. To throw Patreon a ball here, they're in a really rough spot. MasterCard and payment processors or whoever put them in a very very awkward position where they are being effectively forced to play moral police in a way that i don't think was ever really in their vision um you know patreon has certainly drawn lines in the sand for what type of content they allow on their platform, but this was not one that they had traditionally drawn, and they are putting in a position where they are not even the ones who are able to dictate what's on their platform, and it's not even about what's on their platform because in at least one of these cases, the infraction, so to speak took place off platform of patreon so it was just a particular

individual that had been specifically targeted by the payment processor someone's saying here correction in an interview someone jacqueline smith i don't know who that is said it was completely patreon's choice i don't know okay i don't know um so we do know from our own dealings with payment processors that that doesn't seem that likely yeah yep i don't think we should go way too deep into that payment processors are very uh it is particular it is shocking how many arbitrary lines in the sand appear to be drawn so on the one hand i can pull my visa out of my pocket in a convenience store and i can buy a porno mag on the other hand if i am an online business then being able to accept money from that payment processor for unauthorized content, which isn't clearly documented in anywhere, could all of a sudden be a big no-no. Why?

We don't have a clear answer because they don't answer those kinds of questions. So we understand the position that people are in. And as we've alluded to before, we have our own mitigation strategies that we are already working on. But basically, I guess that's just the news that alternative video platforms with potentially millions of dollars of funding. So I think you had said that he's kind of alluded to a project before. He's been talking about working on it. So in this video, he talks about how they were originally planning on going online with their alternative on January 15th,

which would, if you can even assume remotely, how much work would have to go into something like this if it's going to have a chance of not being blown out of the water in terms of costs from stuff like aws is gonna take a little while to build so i assume they've been working on something for a while my vibe from this video was a little different from yours though like it sounds pretty uh early stages they did they did however say that they're pulling back and they're not actually launching on the 15th but regardless they sound like they're launching very soon i hope for their sake they're not setting themselves up on like azure or aws or something because they'll just tank themselves um they could have done it much

more quickly than us that way though yes so floatplane is not set up in the same way it is built using a much more um it's hard to find the right word without it sounding bad affordable approach yeah well but it's sustainable yeah that was the point so if you i'll drop one thing if you think about the amount of uh if you think about the companies that have setups like aws like azure or something like that all of them have an online video platform that is somehow attached to their company yes all of them bandwidth out for all of them is disproportionately expensive for no really explained reason i wonder why what takes a lot of bandwidth on the internet video they don't really want competing companies to pop up in terms of video platforms it is not not in Amazon's best interest for Twitch to continue to exist independently,

taking up what percentage of web traffic was Twitch at some point? It's huge. It's massive. It was enormous. It's massive. I couldn't remember. Live streaming is very demanding. So, I mean, okay, yes, we're wearing our tinfoil hats a little bit.

So, let me just ask what Microsoft Video Platform is. Mixer. LOL. There's one. Yep. I mean, Microsoft also has the ability, you have the ability to buy content in the, yeah, you have the ability to buy content in the Xbox marketplace, for example.

I don't forget what it's called. Is it called Xbox Store now? I don't know. It doesn't matter. The point is, Microsoft serves plenty of video. Don't worry about it. It's a thing. So we're going a little tinfoil hat here,

but the point is we did it our way for a specific reason. And that reason was that we have always seen Google as a valuable partner at Linus Media Group because especially at the very beginning, we relied on Google for our very existence. If Google turned us off, then we would just not exist. And so we have been planning for the eventuality where Google might just shut us off or shut YouTube off in general or decide arbitrarily, okay, we're going to, instead of doing a 60-40 cut on AdSense,

we're going to do 90-10. Ha-ha, what are you going to do about it? We've been preparing ourselves for that eventuality from the very beginning. So they're a valued partner, but we trust them about as far as we can throw them. You think about how big Google is, that's probably not very far. And, well, to be clear, at the same time, too, in basically all realms of business, you want to diversify your income stream so that you can survive whatever. So that was why the forum wasn't a Facebook page.

That was why Floatplane wasn't going to be built on AWS. Because it's not just Google. It's just anyone putting yourself in a position where your means of existence is solely Reliant on the whims of Forces that are much larger than yourself It's just it's not it's not smart and it's not a great idea

So to the best of your ability, I would encourage anyone to to work towards less reliance on one singular thing yes not having all your eggs in one basket i mean it all comes back to should we sub's fables speaking should we like announce the feature that we're using right now for and speaking of like we want to promote not using one singular thing so i forget what feature it is what feature are we using right now the streaming thing oh yeah right that's really cool okay cool yeah yeah this isn't available for all creators on flowplane yet we're like kind of yeah uh we're like kind of beta testing it with ltd but it's working pretty well i promise you will hear from luke very soon if you haven't already about getting live streaming going for you yeah so but we have a really cool feature which is uh basically rtmp on our side so we have it set up where you can stream to floatplane do you want to explain what rtmp is it's like a restream yeah i got it i'm doing that

right now thank you uh so you stream to floatplane and then punch in your keys for youtube and twitch and whoever else but that's all we have right now. But it's not really hard. So whoever else. Theoretically, we could support kind of anything that supports RTMP sources, right? Streaming sources, yeah. Yeah. It should be streaming sources in general, really.

So, yeah. Right now, this stream is going to Flowplane and then coming from Flowplane to Twitch and YouTube. So we are handling that on our side because that's something that is confusing and tricky for a lot of creators. You have to set up a server. You have to do all this other kind of junk, do some command line things. And that's above a lot of people. So we're going to handle that for you because we think being on multiple platforms is a good idea. And before you, before you correct us that you don't actually have to do your own server. There are services that exist that do this.

They also aren't particularly user-friendly. And I believe the one that we looked at anyway was paid as well. Generally they're kind of clunk. So, so floatplane, the idea behind it is that if you're already on floatplane, we are already getting paid because of the cut that we take from the contributions. That's the way the whole model works. So we just want to help. Yeah.

We're out to continue to build services that just make it easier to diversify. Yeah. We think it's a really cool thing. And I was like, that's going to be very technically difficult. And then AJ was like, no, no, it's not. And I was like, okay, sweet. Let's do it. It's not even actually costing us a ton more bandwidth, which is just really sweet because of how some things are organized. Yay AJ good job

Yay architecting things in the first place That's actually a big thing that we're working on right now and is a big part of the reason you're not seeing a ton of Updates because we are really working towards building scalability. a lot of backhand stuff on the one hand whatever jordan plane or whatever they end up calling it oh my god that would be so cool every alternative video platform that springs up has to have plane at the end of it so whatever they end up calling it you know what you know what i'm doing right now? Yeah, you... I'm going to GoDaddy. I'm going to GoDaddy. Okay. JordanPlane.com Is it taken?

Yay! So whatever that ends up being called... That's a terrible name. Has... I really shouldn't do that. Nobody should buy that domain. $ 2.99 is too much um whatever jordan plane ends up being called um it has the potential to be a competitor because we were actually really hoping to position ourselves as a neutral party in all of this which is a big part

of why we have already been investigating ways to decrease our reliance on payment processors that have seen it have seen their place in the world as the you know um the decider of who gets to speak online and who doesn't we like have everything laid out for this it's just we have so many other things to build like it's yeah we can't share it publicly especially in light of knowing that there's... There's now a competitor trying to do the same thing. Just trying to do exactly the same thing. Anyway, so they have the potential to be a competitor,

but they also have the potential to be a very positive thing for our business. Yeah. Because this whole sort of... This whole movement where... Normalizing. Yeah, normalizing non-patreon sources of creator funding and normalizing non-youtube video sources um and same time normalizing the idea of alternative platforms for for creators is is a good is a good thing for us um so we'll be keeping

a very close eye on this one regardless of the personal politics of the people involved. Yeah. Speaking of diversity... Because again, we don't care. This is something I... In the Q&A thing that I did last week, this is something I kept on nailing home because we had a lot of questions about this type of stuff,

is we don't care. If you must know, I think I've decided to do a chapter... I've been meaning to do a book for a long time. Partly because it seems like everyone's doing it um but also just because there's kind of a lot that i have to say that i don't necessarily feel comfortable doing in video the thing about reading and i plan to actually talk about this in it as well but the thing about reading is that you're sort of inherent inherently limiting your audience to people who are willing to read.

So I kind of feel like... At the same time... We can have a more private conversation. Someone's going to scan it. Someone's going to post it online. Oh, yeah. Someone's going to grab a single line. But someone has to read it. Yep.

I'm just preparing you. Yep. So anyway, I plan to have a chapter discussing my personal politics, which is... Oh, boy. Something that I have never done before. Oh, boy. The reason that I've never done it is that it's not that simple and again I feel like the only everyone sell stock and LTG yeah I know right so the only way for me to tackle it though I feel is in written form where I can I

can lay out all my points I can reconstruct them to make sure that they're getting across correctly. And I can do it in a way that's far more verbose than most people are willing to sit through in a video type of setting. Because the problem with video is that... Don't! The problem with video... Yeah. Is that even though you can say all those things, you could read that entire script.

I mean, that's the point of audio books and podcasts, right? Is that you can long form audio, audio visual content. The problem with it is that I have access to the retention graphs. The majority of people in a long format video will never hear the closing argument. That's a big problem. So anyway. Again, I think you're going to have a similar problem because you have people sniping parts of the book and posting it online. You can, but at least in that case, you've already laid it out. And I mean,'re okay you know what you're right no matter what I say people are gonna find a way to misconstrue it I'm ready for that I also just I don't think that as a as

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And we've had all of our funding cut off immediately it's gone it's and it's gone it's gone um what else do we have to talk about i actually understood that reference that was a south park reference wasn't it yes it was holy cow i got one voice so do you want to talk about google's touchless gesture control using radar? Sure. So this is Project Soli. And the idea is that they weren't able to move forward with it until now because they had to increase the power levels of the radar above regulated levels in order to get it to work.

But basically, it uses radar technology to detect the locations of your hands and your fingers and allow you to interact with virtual interfaces. Okay. So it's like a whole new level of theremin. Yeah. So you could turn a virtual dial. Yeah. Or flick a virtual switch.

Or play a virtual keyboard or whatever. Like the possibilities are kind of limitless. You could make virtual gestures. You could do sign language into your freaking, you know, this box under your monitor. And especially mixed with augmented reality, that'll be pretty huge. Pretty cool. Because if you can see the thing that you're supposed to be interacting with, like if there's a numpad on the back of your hand you get to interact with it honestly you could be pretty

accurate if it filled the back of your hand but if you could actually see it then that would be pretty cool you could wear virtual stuff like because obviously you wouldn't be able to do that with just radar but we're talking radar data uh combined with camera data combined with you know i mean we're gonna get to the point where our computers have so many freaking sensors like right now we've got a webcam oh boy we are like just at the beginning it's gonna have infrared it's gonna have like emotion sensors it's gonna be able to pick up on like when you're like sweating it's gonna be able to tell that you're like afraid like oh he's afraid so i'm survival surprise yeah we are heading into a very sort of interesting

future um so anyway after the initial debut of the prototype blah blah blah blah blah blah okay yeah i basically covered covered everything that's in the notes there thank you james anyway though hooray james um what else we got you want to talk about the guy behind china's largest torrent site jailed sure there's another i'm gonna try to find it while you talk about that but there's something i want to talk about which is a poll on the forum someone actually used the forum poll thing and it was based around i gotta try to find i think it's in a general discussion but it's talking about uh optical drives in your computers whether Whether or not you have them. Optical drive survey.

Here it is. Someone posted it in the float plane chat during the big stream you did earlier today. And the results are super weird. And I want Wancho people to vote on it. Okay. So that we see. Do you need me to screen share you? Sure.

Let me know when you're ready. In the meantime, I've got a topic for you guys. Sorry, TechQuickie, VR ownership doubled in 2018. So Techquickie just uploaded a video about why did VR crash. And basically the community response has been, excuse me, VR did not crash. So Steam's monthly hardware survey suggests that the proportion of PC players with a VR headset plugged in roughly doubled in 2018. Now, the part that... It's really hard to go from 4 to 8. The part that we're supposed to...

The part that I feel like I should probably point out is that it went from 0.2% to 0.4%. Oh, so it's from 2 to 4. Yeah, 0.2. to 0.4 percent oh so it's from two to four yeah 0.2 no i know i'm point yeah yeah i love vr guys but like now it did also go to 0.8 percent in december survey so this is about 720 000 of steam's 90 million monthly active users for context the proportion of steam users running a a Linux-based system also sits at about 8%. Now, here's a question for you. If we did a video about why did Linux crash for gaming, would anybody have objected to it? I know one person. Light Socky, what up, dude?

Outside of that, I don't know. I kind of doubt it. Yeah, go ahead. The thing is with VR, and Oculus has their new thing they announced. Have you seen that? The all-in-one one, right? Yeah. Yeah.

And that'll be really interesting when it hits the table and stuff. But there was a, I love John, there was a few notes that I sent to John about the why did VR crash video that didn't end up getting put in, and maybe would have helped some context on a few different things. But it's not doing great. I follow all the different subreddits, I do all the different things, I'm still very much in the VR community.

It's not doing as well as it was. And when I was literally in the Oculus headquarters at Facebook, I talked to the dude from Naughty Dog, and he was talking about how, yup, it's not really going quite as well as we had hoped and we don't suspect it's going to for the next like three to five years now they know this this isn't us just saying it this isn't other people observing it it's not dead no so rhythm game beat Sabre was was among the top grossing VR titles on Steam for 2018 and it sold a hundred thousand copies in less than a month at launch.

And Mountain Blade's super cool, and Beat Saber's super cool. There's still titles that are coming out that are really cool. There's still content creators and making videos about the games. I played Box VR last night. It's still a thing. The thing that I think the VR community should be really proud about and should be latching onto is VR's here to stay now. People are making money in the space. It's not gonna disappear. It's advancing. VR has been attempted many times throughout history and is finally

kind of making it. But it's not nearly the smash hit that I think people were hoping it would be. No. Including Facebook. Yes. And plenty of other companies. And there are lots of other problems that will continue to exist five ever. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I said five ever. No, that's OK. Ed, what can I do for you? No prompter.

Prompter, no prompter. We should bring it just in case. Yes, please. Just one? Just one is good. Yeah. And some of those things are being worked on. I've been saying for a very long time,

it's going to be hard to get the general public into VR until you get your hands and feet in and until you get some haptic feedback in. And until you're not trying to sell the general public garbage that doesn't track well. Drilling into your wall, bad tracking. Oh, not even that. I'm talking like the all-in-one,

like inside-out tracking that just isn't good. Now, I've seen better inside out tracking than before uh the lenovo mirage tried it no it's better there's been notable improvements and but there's been notable improvements the whole time it's mixed reality but the thing is is that the the rate of progress and i'm going to say something that you might not like but the rate of progress to me indicates that vr will never make it vr will morph and it will become ar so vr is the develop is the is the developmental stage so have you seen a transparent display yet yes okay so with that in mind i think there will be two separate things. I don't think VR is going to be necessarily the same as it is right now.

The reason why I think VR is going to still be big is because people's desire to close out everything is pretty high. Okay. And I think that's where VR space will be, is removing reality. I don't want to be here anymore. I want escapism. I want everything gone. I want to sit here anymore i want escapism i want everything gone i want to sit in my room and have it all go away and then i think ar is also going to be

massive potentially even bigger right um but i i think they will yeah i think they're growing kind of in parallel right now and i think they will split even more so i should clarify i don't i wouldn't have made an argument that sound if i'd realized what i was doing i wouldn't have made an argument that sounded, if I'd realized what I was doing, I wouldn't have made an argument that sounded like VR will disappear completely. I just don't think it will hold a candle to the success of AR once that really happens. I feel like VR is going to be home console big. Okay. I feel like AR is going to be cell phones big. Okay.

I think that's probably fair. I don't know that VR will be cell phones big. Okay. I think that's probably fair. I don't know that VR will be home console big. Man, it's hard to say. I don't know. We're talking way far-reaching stuff. I could be super wrong. I'm not going to fall on that sword. I just think it's going to be pretty big.

It depends on where AR goes. There may be practical limits to what we can do with AR. And so if we get display technologies that are high enough density for a true virtual desktop experience, that's something that I really foresee as a way to work better. But that's why I'm saying cell phone big. Like everybody's got a cell phone. Okay, but what I'm saying is if if ar can't get there if ar can't achieve that okay okay then if vr gets good enough that the display density is so fine that i can

really feel like i am sitting in a real space where i can read crisp text on a virtual monitor in front of me and i can have another one up there or whatever else I could see for productivity, that's the end game. Sure. People try to do that now and it's not a good experience. It's not good enough. It's not. Yeah, it's just not good enough yet. So just please understand VR subreddit guys and other places.

There was a post that I saw very recently that was pretty big that was like, this is why we say no when they say VR is dying. It's because we want it to survive. there's there was a post that i saw very recently that was like pretty big that was like this is why we say no when they say vr is dying it's because we want it to survive we're not we have to be realistic when we're when we're standing in the reviewer stance we have to be realistic yeah i can't say it is currently the second coming when it's not because we will lose credibility. VR is really cool right now. I think it has a lot of really cool applications. The box VR is really sweet. Did you try it yet? I haven't, unfortunately.

What? But I've heard from other... I can't put VR in my house. My roof is too low. I don't fit. You could just borrow some light stands for a bit and just like just play it once the roof is too low oh okay yeah um anyways anyways really cool the beat saber is wicked i have played that just not at my house because i can't sit up here in my house but beat saber is really really cool and like i one thing that i always have been saying from the start is that getting nerds, including myself, up and out of their chair and doing things is such a cool idea. So there's two major friction points here. Getting nerds moving and then getting normies to wear goggles.

And that will get sweat on it and that takes up... You see a picture of people going to enjoy VR this weekend've moved all moved all their furniture out of the way like that's actually too much of a barrier for a lot of people when they come home from work and they just want to flop on the couch like unfortunately i was saying i played um box vr last night but then the counterpoint that i didn't bring up was that i haven't touched my headset in over three months and there's there is a lot of people that play basically every day and that's freaking awesome. There is a very dedicated community and there are people making money, making VR games,

and there is very healthy things in the space, but it didn't explode like it was supposed to. They were making VR-specific PC cases. They were making VR-capable or compatible hardware, which was stupid. Like all of this stuff was stupid, but that's how big the industry thought it was going to be. I would sit in meetings with different companies

and they would be like, we don't know if we want to release this product because we don't know how to tie it into VR. And I'm like, what? You're fine. No one cares. It's driven me so crazy for a long time. But that's where the industry thought it was going.

That is currently dead right vr is doing fine and will grow like crazy and will be massive and it's going to be fantastic i'm super excited for the future but we're not in that boom state that a lot of people thought we're going to be in the meantime we're still going to need these if you want um uh multiple displays on your laptop the original article here is from laptopmeg.com and this is a dell patent drawing for a laptop that has the computer in the middle and a foldable display on either side and apparently some means of like that looks like a rail on display dual displaying it or something i don't know exactly how it works but it looks pretty cool to me

um you can just get us monitors. That's the thing. They're like pretty cool and stuff. But that's kludgy. This is... Maybe. It looks like you rail them on, so I don't know how not kludgy that is. And in other news,

Steam no longer supports Windows XP or Vista. So Windows 7 and 8.1 will continue to be supported for the time being. So suck it, XP and Vista users. And I guess that's pretty much it for the WAN show today. Do you have anything else just like kind of random you wanted to talk about? Not particularly. I'll maybe do the same thing I did last week, if that's cool.

How did our float plane stream go? That was disturbing. What even was that? That was James going like this on his boobie, but with his shirt all the way up. I thought he was trying to make like farts and just fail. No, no. He was just like jiggling his boobie. Okay.

Yeah. That was interesting. Oh, we should probably do some super chats, I guess. Are you going to talk about CES? CES. I have no idea what's going on at CES. Oh. I just like, Nick booked all my meetings.

I'm just going to like, I'm going to walk in and be like, oh, cool. I have a meeting with like the usual suspects, so I'm gonna walk in and be like, oh, cool. I have a meeting with like the usual suspects. So I'm gonna see Razor. I know of at least a couple of cool things from ASUS because our CES videos were shot in the studio like two weeks ago. I know. Okay, but to be honest, that makes sense.

And it has always made sense. Yeah, we should, honestly, there should be no reason for us to have to go to ces no they really shouldn't they should just ship it to us and then we'll just forward it to the shelf yeah and then our videos could be better they could be more well informed they could be we could take our time they could be more information you know what no they should do know it know what you should do yeah you. You should have CES at Linus Media Group headquarters. Bring in Kyle. Bring in Jay.

Bring in Paul. Bring in everybody. You know what? LTX. Let's just turn LTX into the better CES. Yeah. Yeah. Sweet.

LTX is going to be sick this year. All the creators want to show up already anyway. Those guys better have an update on the blog. Colton? There is. There is. I checked it actually guys better have an update on the blog. Colton? There is. There is. I checked it, actually. Is there an update?

There is. All right. There is. Let's do it, because last week, last week there was no update. Colton? Yeah, you're good. You're good. You're good.

There's two. There's two now. Two updates. Wait. I think. I only saw one. Okay. Never mind.

Colton Potter, January 1st. Oh, no. See? Explore. Wait, what? Hold on a second. Colton, is this just a picture? What? There's no text. Click on it on it click on that well can't i click on this one but that's a different one well i want

to see both of them wait but that's old that just links to click on the new one it's just the directory oh i see okay it's really confusing like where the line is it's like yeah okay like the title is like this could just as easily be this and this this picture yeah okay well thanks to square space yeah can we change that colton all right thanks ltx 2019 bigger better for previous years our most important goal was to put on a fun event first and foremost but being new to the whole event thing we ended up with a lot of randomness it was still really fun like a hamster ball run it's fun that was fun we ended up with a bit of an identity crisis so this time things are going to be much more fun and engaging and also more focused so here's what

we're doubling down on tech and gaming i heard from a very small YouTuber quite recently with a really cool collection of retro tech that they're like, yeah, I'd be like down to come up. So we have gotten back, as far as I know, we are supposed to have gotten back to this person. Don't guess because it's probably not who you're guessing. I've watched a lot of small retro. Okay, anyway, we're getting back to this part. Or we have gotten back to, we will cover your flight,

we will cover transportation for all your stuff. And they're going to have a thing. We're going to put some money into a booth for all your stuff to be there. There's still some parts of the agreement that we need to work on because we can't be liable for the stuff getting damaged and all that kind of thing. We are doubling down on tech, community, and creators. So we're in the process of locking down our first draft of the event layout, but we're going to share that with you as soon as we can.

And we figured out most of the crazy booth ideas and are now in the process of contracting companies to build them. So some returning fan favorites include the case toss, and we're going to make it fairer. Because in previous LTCs, the a there were different cases but honestly that's not the huge issue because people can pick what case they throw so that's on them but the cases would fall apart yeah they would disintegrate by the end of the event so people at the end would be able to throw much further so we are going to uh plastic wrap them we're

going to shipping wrap them so that all the stuff will still be the amount of weight we'll say so it'll be the same weight the dynamics will still be there. Oh, so the amount of weight will stay the same. So it'll be the same weight. The dynamics will still be different, but it'll be a lot closer. What can I do for you, Ed? Your prompter remote. My prompter remote? Yeah, put it in your pocket. There you go.

Okay, the blindfolded cable management will be back, and we have new ideas, like the gaming setup challenge. So this one, you're already going to have everything, but you actually have to build your chair desk, set up your PC, cable manage your whole setup, and then snap a pic. Whoa. It's going to be cool.

That will take a while. It'll take a while. But the idea was we wanted things that people can actually interact with for a while, and we're going to do the prizing really differently as well. So on top of a grand prize that we announce at the end of the event, we also want to do intermediate prizes to encourage people to participate at any given time.

I know some people do one a day or something. So you can spread it out. We wanna do more than one a day. I know you're gonna have people monitoring these booths. Is there gonna be like a shout caster? Is the gaming setup thing competitive? Or is it just one at a time? So it's competitive.

And there will be multiple ones, but you won't be competing head to head, I don't think. Okay, okay. So it's like on a grand kind of... Yeah. Okay. So it's going to be more like leaderboard-y, kind of like the Minesweeper one last year.

Yeah, okay. We're going to have a headphone testing zone. That's one thing that is so hard to... Like we've almost outright stopped doing headphone videos because it's so hard to get across what they're like. This is very cool. So the idea is that you'll be able to really like try in person, close back, open back.

Notes to who, Colton, Stephanie, whatever, lots of cleansing wipes. Yes, please. Complete hands-on PC building workshop. That'll be there very cool we're hoping to end up with at least 50 booths this year plus cool stuff to see and do so that the queue times aren't nearly as extreme uh the vr booth will be back our goal is anywhere from 10 to 15 vr setups i was literally talking to joe about that yesterday yeah because we we only had three last

year and it was it was quite the choke point um There's even talk of a pre or after party. I don't know if I'll be able to attend personally, but you know. And then of course, there's DreamHacks involvement. So they'll be handling our... Oh, we're apparently announcing how many seats? Hey. 400 plus BYOC seats.

Nice. There'll be a free play zone plus more to be announced at a later date. And a free play zone. On stage, we plan to include more segments through both that means there's more than that many computers because there's 400 plus byoc specifically and a free play zone and free play zones are usually fairly sizable at those types of events yeah that's pretty beast uh on stage uh panels q and a's a few surprises um and then we're in early stages of gating creator involvement.

We don't want to promise anything, but we can say that having Jays2sense, Barnacles, Steve from Gamers Nexus, Lewis Rossman, having those guys there last year was a total blast. So that is definitely something we're pursuing and definitely something we are already talking to people about. Can we do a full playing Q&A? Sure. That seems cool. Yeah, there's bound to be someone there that wants to

talk to you about that just check with surf okay i can't i can't promise anything because if there's cooler stuff you're gonna get bumped yeah but and it might not be able to be main stage but we could almost definitely do it somewhere cool yeah yeah because we're gonna have like a creator meetup place and that you could basically do like a creator meetup oh perfect yeah yeah yeah full plane base because we're also gonna have the float plane people there so i think it would be cool to And that you could basically do like a creator meetup. Oh, perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Floatplane based. Because we're also going to have the floatplane people there. So I think it would be cool to like. Cool.

Yeah. So yeah, it's going to be sick. And that's pretty much it, guys. Oh, wait. I promised I would do some super chats. Also, can I do my thing? What thing? The thing I did last time?

Yes. Okay. I'm going to do a stream after this. People are going to spam the name of it in chat probably. But it's switch.tv slash luke underscore la far it will have a focus uh especially at the start when it actually happens uh because it seems to die off as it did last week but it will have a strong focus of floatplane q a there's the migration happening if you have any questions about the migration i would strongly prefer you ask me there instead of emailing right now we have a massive amount of email tickets a huge percentage of which are just questions about random things about floatplane instead of getting help about

migrating your account which is totally fine but uh we're really buried right now so i would prefer if you ask your questions to me in in like a chat basis thing so other people can hear the answer too yes yeah exactly yeah because we we might have like 300 right now so yeah and there's probably more now so that's scary um i'll be working on that this weekend this is not related to your topic but i would like your advice I work for a company that does home automation and networking for clients. Second super chat. This is fan of, fan oof is fan 64. I am on the lower totem pole of the job, i.e. grunt work, running wires and such.

I try to do their networking, which they said they're willing to teach me, but the terminologies and all that, and they're all experienced already. It makes it quite difficult for me. My question is, would it benefit me to actually take a course for networking or grin and bear it and try to learn from my company slowly but surely? I would definitely recommend doing at least some basic coursework when it comes to networking. Just having that sort of eureka moment of how exactly the topology works is probably worth the investment. Do you feel differently? No, I agree. I would be careful about what course you're taking though, because if having a certificate or diploma or degree is not going

to directly help your career, there's quite a few courses in that stack that will not necessarily help you. So try to make sure that you're picking what course you take as a one-off. So you don't take like an introductory course that teaches you what an ethernet cable is yeah because that is a thing there's some really really basic stuff try not to do that so if you're already in the career i would recommend not wasting your time if you have if you want some advice actually there's a ton of people with experience about this on the ltt forums i would strongly recommend creating an account there and posting just posting your question there yeah Doberman sorry we aren't planning another overclocking video in the near future Alan you're welcome for the help a fusion plays thanks for being a new

member Dominic says it's 2019 what what says 2018 people are telling you to change the date to 2018 what oh the stream title oops i changed that uh well you also like bunged it up after oh so i think somewhere in the fix it got dropped it might have been me or who knows i'm not sure uh unbox warehouse says can i get a selfie at ces i don't know not promising anything it's got every year it's gotten harder and harder for me to walk around on the show floor. Parzival. Hey, we from Extreme Hosting have sent an email to you guys. Please check it out.

Okay. To who? Austin says, I thought your iPhone XS review was pretty harsh, but then I watched Juan Bangnell's video or however you spell his name. Okay, thanks. Alex says it's 2019. Thanks. Hi, Linus. i'm in need of a data storage server where can i have or where one where i can have a drive assigned to a person need hardware

and software advice um oh boy forum yeah there's some really knowledgeable people on the forum like wow let eater knows everything and he's been there forever he's very very long term g yeah yeah um bj amse says i just wanted to say i came here to say that i'm gonna watch the archive when you're done bye that's actually pretty great nakel says, I follow you. You should follow me. It's up to you. Lol. Other than that, always love your show. And sent $150.

Whoa. I hate to be that guy, but I'm not going to follow because I don't do that. I actually, it's like a total troll on the Linus Tech Tips Instagram account. We follow only one thing, LTX, and I think I might have actually unfollowed it recently just because like, and Instagram's hilarious. Every time I, not every time I open the app, but oh, that time it did it and then it disappeared. So a lot of the times when I open the app,

there's this like thing that's like, hey, people you follow will show up here. Hey, and I just don't know we still follow one guess what boom ltx unfollow direct follow for follow or or that kind of stuff is is not it's just we i have never done it once but it's not legitimate anyways but yeah um carson just started watching your channel enjoying it a lot thanks carson yeah uh then on yes we know it's not the right date um jack says i've been watching forever guys two capitals on forever guys not familiar with the show yeah we do but thanks jacks uh open 1209 look at the date it's not 2018 yeah okay uh dan

why would you not start a platform, i.e. floatplane on AWS, and then revert to your own hardware after? That is a tremendous question. And we actually have reasons. Yeah, insane amount of startup costs for that. You'd just be bleeding through the nose the entire time you're on there.

It's also hard to infrastructure pivot. That's like a pretty weird thing to do. What we plan on doing once we get it to work is have load balancing set up so that we can bop off to those really expensive services if we get to the point where we can't serve good quality to everyone. And then we'll have time to bump up our infrastructure at the same time. But getting those things all working is difficult we also didn't necessarily know what scale we wanted when we first started full plane there's

like there's there's a lot to it for our part now that we're down this path it's much easier to build the best thing we can build and then fall back to CDN if needed yes during because we're already a chunk into it yeah okay neuro says it's also like like seriously you, you could bury yourself doing that strategy. So it's also really scary. Apparently, Neuro Technology Exploration would love us to check out a video on the future of computing HCI brain-computer interfaces. And apparently their research group has done a bunch of work.

So that's interesting. Sounds potentially cool. Shoe 125. This is a good one. Luke, I made it home. Last time i did this i was pretty drunk what i was talking about last time i sent a flag to luke from overseas no i immediately recognized great thanks for the everything building a new system first build ever love you guys act super chats i'm actually super stoked that shoe made it home i'm very happy that you made it home i know shoe shoe's super cool you read 150 bucks just now whoa okay i can't read the dollar amounts from here but yeah you've

read shoes letter oh did i that was the flag oh that thing that's shoe oh that was awesome yeah oh no she's super cool how's it going glad you made it home dude yeah also that uh all right uh ben asked when are LTX tickets for sale? What a good question. Nick, you don't happen to know, do you? I've had a lot of people asking this. We haven't announced it yet. Yeah, okay.

Sorry, we haven't announced it yet. Stay tuned, guys. I think we're still working out some details with DreamHack. Like, as you can imagine, with a partnership like this, there's a lot of stuff to work out. Who gets how much floor space? Who takes how much of the ticket revenue? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And we're committed to working with them. And they're committed to working with us like we're gonna we're gonna get her done but um we can't really put tickets on sale until we've agreed on how much they're gonna cost so and i think yeah um as much as that it's that um they have a different strategy for how they launch tickets okay and i think that there's going to be like a a tiered segment isn't the right way to say it just like a time release yeah for tickets sure hr penguin says can't wait for alina's controversy i sense he'll go full pewdiepie lte meme reviews for the win ltt LTT. Clap, clap. Graphics card. Oh, boy. Card review. All right.

Thanks, John Williams. And that's all the Super Chats we can do for today. We'll see you guys again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Holy crap, we went way over time. Oh, yeah. It's almost 7. Wait, no.

I won't be here next week for my end show. What's going on for my end show next week? When's your flight? Because I'll still... I get back Thursday night. I get back Thursday night? Like, late. I'm certainly going to try then. Yeah, I'll try to be here for Wenshow, sure.

I can't promise it though, because I might be like sick as a dog. Likely. Likely. All right, bye guys! I'll still be in Vegas. Okay, so you won't be here for sure. Yeah, okay. Or I could do it from there.

We need to figure that out. There might even still be a creator there that I could pull in to guest. Like, I could probably do that. If you're sick. Because I won't be sick until I come home. That's how that works. I also have a mic. Thanks for watching!