The WAN Show - NVIDIA Fake Frames Scandal - WAN Show January 10, 2025

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So we're gonna be talking about CES this week We're also gonna be talking about the whole Nvidia Scandal with fake frames that claim it's it is amazing to me How many people were like Linus you didn't acknowledge that? Nvidia's claims were kind of outlandish and I'm like yo, I called it a red flag in the intro Are you not up with the lingo? red flag in the intro. Are you not up with the lingo? Red flag means bad. So we're gonna be talking about the 50 series fake frames and also I'll give you guys kind of a longer rundown

of what it was like playing on those fake frames. What else we got for this week? Why is no one talking about the Ryzen AI Max? Yeah, wait, is that actually something that you think is really interesting? Or you just, oh my, just pick another one. Why is the ARC B580 underperforming on older chipsets? Alright, alright, alright. The show is brought to you today by Thermaltake.

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Won't say it. I'm back and no don't say it. I said we have to end the show I'm contractually obligated to push the button. No, he can't do it. You guys you can't do it So let's talk about the Nvidia 50 series fake frames controversy on Monday, January 6th 6th So okay, wow, this is very early in the show for an aside 3 words in My list is coming back. Oh.

And I think it's ever since, and I specifically remember when it started happening because I, it's sort of, I think the shape of the roof of my mouth is reverting to before I had my dental appliances and braces and everything. And the reason that I can, the reason I know when it happened is because it sort of manifests as kind of having like a little bit of like gunk like stuck in the back of my throat and

having a little bit more trouble with speech. And I remember it because it was pretty early in like the COVID scare time. So it was like early 2020. And initially I thought like I had COVID or something. But actually I just like, ever since then, I've always just kind of been a little bit more gunked up. But I'm getting my wisdom teeth out. I don't know if you know this.

So I've already had my bottom ones out and I was stupid. And I was like, oh, well, my top ones aren't bothering me. So why would I bother to have them removed? Even though everyone told me, if you just have them all at the same time, that's a lot easier than like going under the knife twice. But the reason I have to have them out is not because they're suddenly bothering me, I could keep the top ones forever, but because I want to go back and get my orthodontics

looked at. And I went to two orthodontists, one of whom told me that they wanted they could fix my teeth. And they wanted to remove one of my bottom teeth in order to do it one or more, because I have crowding down there. And I was like, yo, I'd really rather not. And the other one said, yeah, they can do it without removing any teeth, but they literally will not work on any adult

that has their wisdom teeth in. Any wisdom teeth, because they're like, yeah, they're too much of an X factor and we won't do it. So I have to So I have to get my top ones out in the next little bit and I'm hoping that someday again I will be able to say on Monday January 6th Nvidia revealed their 50 series RTX GPUs

We have a whole video on the keynote if you haven't seen it yet and that includes a hands-on gaming on the new if you haven't seen it yet, and that includes a hands-on gaming on the new RTX 5090. During that keynote, Nvidia stated that the RTX 5070, which is launching with a $550 price tag, will deliver RTX 4090 performance, followed quickly by Jensen Wong saying, "'This would be impossible without AI. So, coming back to our intro,

that's what I referred to as a red flag, because that tells us explicitly that this is going to be done with DLSS, with FrameGen. Yeah. Well, hardware, it's using, inferencing hardware. Sure. But also software.

Yeah. Initially, many people were excited, using inferencing hardware, but also software. Initially, many people were excited, but then as the news kind of settled and more people started talking about it, it sort of shifted to a perception that these are fake frames, since the way that these 50 series cards are going to be able to achieve such great performance

is through DLSS 4.0 with FrameGen, and in particular, a new type of FrameGen that is, well, has a lot more fake frames than the old FrameGen. So the example that most people are referencing is actually on Nvidia's own website where they show Cyberpunk 2077 running at 4K with all settings cranked to the max, only getting 28 FPS without DLSS, and then over 230 frames with DLSS multi-frame gen,

ray reconstruction, and super resolution. So basically, rendering at a lower initial resolution, generating, what is it, three frames of, artificially three inferred frames for every one actual rendered out frame. And then rate reconstruction, I am not 100% familiarized with yet, so I'm not gonna try to explain that one.

Another reason people are upset over fake frames is that benchmarks in the future are gonna get really confusing. Oh yeah. for people who take these numbers at face value versus the actual visuals that you might be seeing because 250 frames per second rendered fully with no fake frames is going to look different and feel different than 250 frames per second with a whole bunch of software trickery. Should we clear about multi-frame gen too? You can have multi-frame gen on but at different levels.

So I believe this is multi-frame gen 4x, which is like as aggro as it can go. Right, so that's three fake frames for every one real frame. But you could have multi-frame gen that is below that. That's the main thing I'm trying to. Yeah, so frame gen in the past has just been like every other, so it's been a one to one ratio. Whereas now you can have a one to one, a two to one, or a three to one ratio of generated frames

versus fully rendered out frames. And one thing that they're talking about is like paying attention to your monitor's refresh rate and trying to set frame gen so that the FPS count is just a bit above your monitor's refresh rate. They're not suggesting that you just crank it to 4x all the time because I think even they are recognizing that it's like, you know, so not perfect. We're going to have to be a little careful with this discussion question because to be a little careful with this discussion question because I have not been briefed on anything about 50 series, but I cannot necessarily say that about everyone in the room right

now. That I was told outside of the thing. Okay. So I was okay with saying that. Cool. But we still do have a discussion question. We're just going to have to be a little bit careful with it. After having spent time with graphics cards throughout the years

Do you agree with the mindset that these are fake frames and they don't count for the performance of the card? Initial thoughts no Okay Not completely okay, okay that sounds like a more, are you able to elaborate any more right now? What can I say and what can I not say? So this is something that they've said before. This wasn't just said at the thing. So Nvidia claims that 80% of RTX gamers turn on DLSS.

Now I tried to get an extrapolation from there. There's something that I didn't get one so I can talk about. Well I did but it they said maybe and they weren't 100% sure so I'm not gonna quote it. But what I was kind of trying to figure out is like okay RTX gamers so this goes back to 2000 series right so like if someone's running a I don't know a 2050 TI or a 26 years old. I don't know a 2050 ti or a 2060 I don't know. There's a 2050. You can tell he was out of the game for a period I didn't care at all 2060 is the entry level to to RTX sure so 2060. Yep Is that person way more likely to turn on DLSS versus like a 4090? I?

What's the distribution here? That's an interesting question if I had a 4090 or I had a 5090. I would... What's the distribution here? That's an interesting question. If I had a 4090 or I had a 5090, which it has been announced, the pricing's here, I was prepared for 2,000 US dollars, I'm buying one. So if when I install my 5090, I will probably not turn it on. If I had a 3060 though... I heard a quote from you off-camera, can I say it? I don't remember what it is, but go for it. Okay, you said, I'm not buying a $2,000 GPU to turn on DLSS. Yeah, you could quote me. You could quote me on that. Alright, alright, alright. But the thing is that there are- I'm gonna have to make compromises somewhere else.

I think that's honestly, and this is where I said like the maybe thing, because I think that approach is not optimal. And that's fair enough. I think so. And that's fair enough because I think there is, I think there is, I think there is validity. I think there is validity too,

because I'm gonna make compromises. In order to get the kind of frame rate that I want, I'm gonna have to turn off some visual details then whereas if someone else says hey look I want to see all the eye candy yeah, and I don't I don't need you know whether it's whether it's you're trading off a competitive edge For visuals or you're trading off You know really depends on lighting and smoke and particle effects for you know and smoke and particle effects for, you know, sharpness, sharpness in the rendered image.

You know, whatever, right? Whatever it is that's your trade-off, that's your trade-off, and I don't think that one is right, absolutely, and one is wrong, absolutely. But in terms of my feelings about it, yeah, I'm not gonna buy a $2,000 graphics card and turn on the frame gen.

Which I think is fair, and I think you're more visually discerning than the vast majority of people I've ever met. I have seen the faces fall of Nvidia employees now through numbered, like more than one generation. I'm not just trying to gas them up, like this is a thing. Of DLSS. I have watched them Think it's like basically perfect be confident watch me walk up to a demo Literally, it wasn't this launch. It was 4000 series super launch they had two demo systems right next to each other one that was using DLSS and one that wasn't And I believe it was with frame gen and they didn't have FPS counters, and they were like, can you tell which one? And immediately, I was like, this one.

And they're like, how did you know? And I'm like, because it's my job. It is literally my job to be able to tell the difference between this stuff for a living. With that said, it can be my job to know that stuff, and I can still recognize that my brother-in-law isn't going to be able to tell and isn't going to care, and would actually probably prefer the smoother experience. But that's not me. Zenith in chat said, latency is what matters most. And it's like, no, not necessarily. Not always.

I mean, for you. And. wait for in the games that you play there was a there was there was something I really liked to nameless Ted in the float plane chat says all frames are fake Raster is fake AI generated is fake shaders, and this is a really really good point that I feel like Some people are missing This is the forest that I feel like some people are missing. This is the forest that I feel like some people are missing through the trees here. And I want to bring us back to a video that we did a couple of years ago called I'm Embarrassed I Didn't Think of This, Asynchronous Reprojection. This blew my absolute f***ing mind. You want to talk

about fake frames. This blew me away because as someone who had kind of fallen out of paying attention to VR that closely. It wasn't something that I was familiar with up until we made this video. So this was a demo that I'm trying to remember what the guy, yeah, Comrad Stinger, Comrad Stinger and 2klikphilip, okay, or 2kliksphilip. These guys made a couple little videos, future upscaling, async reprojection outside of VR, and we basically got our hands on their demos and showed how,

okay, what it looks like when you're rendering this at without it. Okay, hold on. Wait, is this with it? This looks bad. Can it be improved? Hold on. Okay, so basically what it is, is it's a way of, okay, here we go. Here we've got it on. So this is basically using a whole bunch of data from the previous frame to kind of to

fill in and I'm really hazy on the details now because it was two years ago we made that video and I basically learned all about it for that video and then because I'm not a game developer and I don't work on graphics drivers and GPU architecture. I unlearned it because I don't need it until I need it again. But the long story short is that basically it only bothers, it will just keep displaying old data, and then anytime you move and reveal something that was occluded, it will bother to render that and that will

be done at your true frame rate, but your inputs are at whatever elevated frame rate you just decide because it's just reusing it at whatever maximum refresh rate your monitor can run at. And it feels great. And you can actually watch people. In the video, we've got people doing blind frame rate tests. Okay, to me, this feels like 60. Do you think anything changed? Blah, blah, blah.

Okay, yeah, this is 60. So these are, we picked, we specifically picked, like gamers from the team. Yep, can very tell, can very much tell. Okay, and then we're going to, we're gonna turn it up. Hold on, where do we turn it up? Hold on, let me see if I can find it. Okay, oh come on man.

Whatever, the point is, the point is it's really cool. I'm sorry, this was a lame finish to this conversation. Dude, that's okay. And what I'm trying to say is, one of the biggest issues with running at a lower frame rate and one of the biggest issues with DLSS and FrameGen is latency. And async reprojection is a way that you can have

a very fake frame, like literally just reused visual data from the previous frame that feels very low latency and unless you're moving in specific ways, is very hard to discern even for, you know, real gamers. And I can't talk too much about the tech stuff, but I mean it's been pretty obvious for a long time from all camps, right? From Intel's camp, AMD's camp, Nvidia's camp, that this is the direction that things are going in. Nvidia has that quote that 80% of RTX gamers are turning DLSS on, which is an absurd number.

I mean, Nvidia definitely... I'm wondering where they pulled that from. Are they getting that information from game devs? Are they getting that information from... I would assume GeForce Experience. Whatever it's called now, Nvidia app. Not GeForce now, yeah, GeForce Experience. I think it's Nvidia app now.

Whatever. Is that like... yeah? I don't know I don't know where the lines are necessarily drawn there, but that's a really high percentage of people Yep, well, I mean games are enabling it by default so like yeah most people And that's the thing that the enthusiast community doesn't realize yes is most people Literally are not going to touch the game settings panel. Yeah. There's a reason they suck.

So if it's on by default. It's because only some nerd is gonna go in there and change anything. And I get it. I get it. I mean, I forget who I was having this conversation with recently about how they were just like, they were like blown away at how little like someone in their life you cared about these details like sure think about I mean, it's it's the classic like sure there is an example of that for that person Everything's giving right everything's giving there's the like the annual reminder to when you visit your relatives turn off the stupid motion smoothing because most people

Literally don't even open a settings menu like my grandparents don't even know where it is They don't know how to access it on their TV. But okay, but that being said 80% of gamers turn on DLSS They don't necessarily turn on DLSS all the time Sure And this is where I keep coming back to like the right tool for the right job thing where like I think there's games And I think there's scenarios where you're not gonna want any form of you don't want DLSS You don't want frame gen you want any of this. I'm playing like a competitive game. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely I don't want but then looking at

One of the experiences Okay, I think I can talk about it, but I'm not certain so I'm just gonna not yeah Looking at one of the experiences with it completely off versus with it completely on like I Also, this is where communicating about this stuff gets really funky though because I don't even think that's a fair comparison You can't do like the hardest possible settings and then turn on DLSS and 4x frame gen and just put them side by side And be like this is fair. I don't think that's true the hardest possible settings and then turn on DLSS and 4X FrameGen and just put them side by side and be like, this is fair. I don't think that's true.

I think you should go for more of a frame rate target or something and without those tools, put on the best settings you can while hitting that frame rate target. And then say, hey, does this look okay to you? Because for me, a lot of the time, I mean, we did this video a while back on ultra settings are kind of stupid.

Because a lot of the time, for that extra 3% more realism, video a while back on ultra settings are kind of stupid. Yeah. Right? Because a lot of the time for that extra 3% more realism, it is costing you double the GPU horsepower. And that's a way that, you know, for my part, medium to high in a lot of modern games. Almost always great. I can't really tell. And a big part of the reason for that is that game developers are explicitly, it's not like they hide this, they're explicitly optimizing their games for whatever the current generation

console is. And the current generation console at the very, very, very highest end is a PS5 Pro, which is equivalent to what? Like a 7800 XT or something like that Which is which is a very powerful GPU, right? It's a marvel of modern engineering, but what it isn't is a 4090 or a 5090. Yeah, right So I so ultimately I think just dismissing this tech is the wrong take I also think that saying that a 50-70 is a 40-90

is just like clearly obviously. Yes. Like these things can both be true. Both of those things are true. I don't think that we should look at FrameGen and be like this is stupid and dumb and we should all ignore this collectively. Because no, I think it is cool and it has applications.

It's really, honestly, the tech that they're talking about that I can't really talk about right now, damn, super impressive. Okay. But it kind of feels like a DLC, more than a new graphics card launch. Still super cool. Yeah. 5090 is a wicked card, but like, it's too grand. That's a lot.

I've got a couple of people kind of asking me, okay, Linus, now that you're outside of the Nvidia room Yeah, right. What can you say about the latency? I don't think you hold back of the frame. I didn't hold anything Dude, I you got it. Okay Something them being there literally mattered at all. This is something that a lot of people I feel like don't understand about this early access Like I saw a number of comments about this on the AMD Ryzen AI Max Plus video that I did in Asus's booth with that Z13 gaming tablet. It's like people are like, like scam,

this isn't even a good review and like, you know, some other publication would have done a better review. Guys, this is not a review. These products aren't out. The performance embargo is not lifted. The fact that we were able to game on these at all is a f***ing miracle, and I'm extremely grateful for it because it gives us a little bit more information

than just a spec sheet. That was the alternate. Surprisingly open this time. Yeah. Like for, I have quite openly dogged on Nvidia and a lot of other companies for their events in the past. This one in general was very good. Yeah. They were super open.

They were open in conversations. They seemed, you know, there's the RTX 5070 is 4090 performance thing, which is in the keynote and whatever, but once we got past that, they were super honest, super open, it felt like good conversations. And the fact that I was able to install my own game of my choice. Yeah, crazy. They were like, and realistically, the only reason that we only ran one game

was because the internet connectivity was pretty bad. Yeah, which is not their fault. Asus actually owes MSI a solid for us having that game at all, because I had to send Dylan from the procurement team on a quest to go copy game files to an SSD, because Asus was not set up to run any games on it. We got special permission to run Black Myth Wukong,

and it's amazing how people will make these conspiracy theories, like Linus is only in the opening scene Because it's easier run No, I just haven't played the game. Yeah, and someone else was using the LTT benchmark accounts And I didn't want to kick them off so I bought the game on my account They're in the in the booth, and I fired up the fucking game That's it Calm the fuck*** down, you know?

Like people are looking so hard for a conspiracy, but what's actually happening is, and I even laid this out, like coming back to the Nvidia booth demo, because we're gonna talk about Ryzen AI Max Plus later. So coming back to the Nvidia demo that I did, people are looking so hard for like a conspiracy, but I laid it all out.

I'm not allowed to change the resolution. Even being allowed to show you guys the settings, that's unbelievable. I'm very surprised they let you do that. Considering how high level the keynote was. The fact that I was able to show you guys the settings we were running at, is the only reason you're even able

to have these conversations about how Nvidia Cherry picked the settings, because otherwise you wouldn't have even known. Don't ruin this for next time. Recognize the gift. I used to talk about this with Blizzard all the time, but be careful about what the impact of what you're doing is going to cause. This is the first time in a really long time that they've been really open and allowed this level of access to things. Don't close that off.

Yeah, yeah, don't screw this up, guys. Be angry about the right stuff. There's things to be angry about. Yeah, 100%. Just be angry about the right stuff. The 50-70 is equal to a 40-90 whatever thing, yeah. Yeah, say, hey, that's misleading. Yeah.

Say that's misleading, say you don't agree, and that's totally fine. But don't be like, yeah, Nvidia should have let you do a full performance review after the... Obviously not. Obviously not, you guys. There's still media briefings that need to be done. Everybody needs time to test and benchmark these things in their own labs. And I really appreciate that they did this huge thing with us that I can't really talk about because they brought a huge amount of reviewers there and

It was a discussion about like looking into this, you know this technology But they're also really open about like how do you test this stuff because this generation more than I mean I haven't been in the game for a long time So maybe this is a false statement, but it feels true to me more than many previous is going to be really weird to test, and we always say this, but look at multiple reviews. This time, more than any, because there's gonna be a lot of weird stuff.

We're going back to many, many, many generations in the past where we're talking about image quality differences between graphics card brands. We're gonna have to be pixel peeping things. Like the DLSS quality in different games is gonna be up and down depending on different variables. Like this is going to be very, very weird. In some ways, what's happening now

is such a time as a flat circle moment because there was only, there was only a, really in the grand scheme of things, small window where everyone was expected to render the game the same way. Because before that, it was everything from driver cheats and anti-aliasing shortcuts. And then you go back even further and everyone's using completely different APIs even. You've got Glide and stuff like that. And then after that, you've got vendor proprietary

implementations of things like Hairworks or whatever else. This expectation we have that everyone will render it exactly the same way is actually in some ways a very- A little blip in time. False expectation. It never existed before that. And I gotta be honest with you guys guys like it or don't like it That's totally valid, but it's never happening again. Yeah, it's

Completely over yeah I also want to jump in Nick from the labs commented saying I did not walk away from a conversation with Nvidia without a decent answer to a question and Honestly, I completely agree. Yep. The event that they held while we were there, not the keynote, the event after that with reviewers, was fantastic. I'll say this. Nvidia, the more dominant they've gotten, in some ways, the more arrogant they've gotten.

Oh yeah. And the more controlling they've gotten oh yeah and the more controlling they've gotten but the more open in some other ways they have also gotten I don't know that those things are I understand they're correlated I don't I don't think there's causation yeah I'm just saying their dominance is correlated to both of those other things. Yeah, yeah. I think there's other reasons why. I don't know if we want to get into those, but. Things like PCAT, so their power monitoring tools. Things like F-CAT, their frame time monitoring tools.

Fantastic. That obviously they would have had as internal tools before, but releasing those to reviewers is such a, just like, slapping your gigantic dong on the table move, going we want to enable reviewers to better test this stuff because we know that if they test it properly, we are not only so much better today, but we are gonna be so much better forever

that we want everyone to have better tools to know it. There's so many things I wanna say right now. That is such a dong, slonking on the table move. It totally is. Like, it's crazy. And who else in the history of anything has ever done that? Can you imagine, can you imagine BMW being like, our cars are so much more efficient and so much faster than anyone else's.

We need to teach you how to measure. And they will be, until the end of time, that we are literally going to develop a better dyno and we're literally going to equip the entire reviewosphere with particulate matter testing equipment so that you can hold us accountable in the future if we ever fall off this This this podium that we sit atop like imagine that nobody's gonna nobody does that that's crazy Nobody does that

except Nvidia However, I've spoken at length on this show about the way that Nvidia also withholds information, treats partners like non-partners, obfuscates. I think, and I told them this to their face. I stopped by the event. I wasn't able to attend it because I was busy covering the rest of the show. But I told them, I think they've lost some of their fun over the show. But I, you know, I told them I think they've, I think they've lost

some of their fun over the years. Like Nvidia used to be able to laugh at themselves in a way that I feel like they've kind of lost. And I hope that they take the feedback for what it is genuine, genuine feedback, not not criticism, but feedback. And I hope they can I hope they can. I hope they can find ways to not take themselves too seriously, not keep everything completely focused on generating shareholder value. I don't think you're wrong, but I feel like, like the world and the industry combined are all having the same problem. That's true. I think that's fair. I don't, I don't know that this is Nvidia specific. Like, yeah. I think that's fair.

Yeah. Laughing is bad for shareholders. Yeah, but yeah like genuinely do not Watch or read one review For 5,000 series yeah do more than that at least due to I would honestly suggest more than that It's it's this is going to be super weird I think it's gonna be really really interesting to see what all the different reviewers do to try to find a way to Communicate the performance of this thing or miss differences because cranking all the AI assist to the max I can tell you that's not the answer Yeah, but turning them all off. It's also not really the answer. That's not a real answer either and

Both of those both of those are wrong What's right? I don't know. And I think everyone's going to have to come up with their own answers. And I think evaluating performance with these cards is going to be really complicated. I actually want to segue into our next topic here, which is a really interesting re-review slash investigation that Hardware Unboxed and Hardware Canucks have done with Intel's ARC B580, finding that it has a complicated performance profile depending on what you bench it with. So while making a video about the ARC B580, hardware Canucks ran into problems when pairing

the Intel GPU with older hardware. They tested on an i5-9600K on a Z390 motherboard with resizable BAR on. Now, Intel has been completely upfront that resizable BAR is necessary. We were like, hey, how much performance uplift, down lift, whatever and they're like... It doesn't matter. Turn it on. Turn it on. It's basically, from our our point of view the minimum system requirements are you have rebar period? Okay, all right fair enough in many games Performance seems to be on par with the competition

But in other games the b580 struggled to keep up with even a GTX 1660 super and this is a card that performed a 1660 Super and this is a card that performed a breast with a 4060 even sometimes a 4060 Ti in our review. An important note by the way Intel Arc does not officially support 9th gen Intel CPUs and 300 series chipsets even if they have rebar these are 6 to 7 years old with 15th gen chips releasing in October of 2024. So that's important to note, but Intel only explicitly ever said,

hey, you gotta have Rebar. They never really said, okay, you can't? I have official support. Okay, well, whatever. Take it for what it is, official support. Okay, well, what about AMD? Hardware Unboxed did some testing. They found that officially supported AMD CPUs like the Ryzen 5 5600 and the 3000 series also saw significant

drop-offs in performance. ARK seems to have more CPU overhead, whether it's in its drivers or I guess it would have to be its drivers, compared to other cards. So as you go down in generation and down in the product stack to older, less performance CPUs, graphics performance is seriously impacted in games that are especially already CPU intensive. Lower frame rates, like when running in 1440p, are less impacted than higher FPS 1080p results, which makes sense, because 1440p with, you know, medium or high details is going to be a lot more GPU bound and a lot less CPU bound Hardware unboxed put up a more extensive review today. This says today, but when were these notes written whatever recently with some interesting results

So go check those out when we're done here both hardware can ask and hardware unboxed report that Intel is aware of their findings And is currently looking into the matter I mean here's a question. Discussion question. That looks like it was today, 16 hours ago. Discussion question. How many generations of CPUs and chipsets should we reasonably expect a GPU maker to support?

And I think that's a complicated answer because in the case of something like a 5090, I wouldn't even think that it was that outlandish if Nvidia came out and said, "'Yep, here's the 5090, it's $2,000. "'We're offering official support for Ryzen 7000, "'Ryzen 9000, and Intel 13 standin' up.'" Because realistically, the vast majority

of people buying this thing are either buying it in a brand new system, don't underestimate how many people are buying GPUs in full systems that the like discrete individual GPU market You don't matter. I will say straight up. I don't know if this is private or not Oh, I was talking to an SI while I was at the event They said they've never had this many pre-orders and they did genuinely zero marketing to the point where they almost hit it They've never had this many pre-orders and they did genuinely zero marketing to the point where they almost hit it. They've never had this many pre-orders. Don't underestimate it.

And then number two option is they're putting it into a system that is probably pretty new. If you have $2,000 to spend on a GPU, you have a freaking ton of money to spend on, you know, not a GPU. Yeah. Unless you're crazy, in which case I mean you do you However, I'm gonna offer an alternative take on that if you are pitching your card as a as a value card

It's 250 bucks. I think if you come out and say yeah, we support this generation in the last generation You're gonna get laughed out of the room much like Intel did with Arch Alchemist Because it was an even bigger problem then to only support rebar platforms, because rebar was a relatively new innovation, or it was relatively new at least to consumer platforms. And so with B580 coming in, essentially requiring not only rebar, which I think would have been fine at this point, because that takes you back like at least five years. How far back do we have to go for rebar? I think about have been fine at this point, because that takes you back like at least five years. How far back do we have to go for rebar?

I think about five years. So that takes you back a good number of years. Not just that, but requiring a recent platform, I think it really harms the value proposition of the card. So, I guess we'll see how this plays out. I mean, I'm trying to think back. I forget whether it was AMD or Nvidia. I think it was Nvidia a while back where,

and when I say a while back, I'm talking like eight or 10 years or something like that, where it was found that their driver overhead was greater than AMD's. And so their performance ranking was changing the farther back you went. There was a similar conversation. Okay, well, if you remember it,

then it must be eight plus years ago. And Nvidia went to work, and they cleaned up their driver, and they made it less overhead, and they talked about that over the next couple of cycles, and then it has become less of a conversation. I'm hoping that that's something that Intel can do. I don't know that for sure,

but given the kind of progress that we've seen on their driver development over the last couple of years, I have some faith, it's blind faith. So take it for what it is, but I hope they're able to do this. Are we supposed to discuss the hoodies we're wearing at some point, Dan? Is that something that has happened or?

That's part of announcements, which we can get to in two minutes if you want. Okay, why don't we do two minutes? Why two minutes? That's what the timer says. We could start it now, I think. I just read what's on the prompt timer. I sure. I can talk more about things. No, no, you can literally start whenever you want.

Okay, let's do it. Let's do announcements. Where are they? I can't find them. Oh, no, you can literally start whenever you want. Okay, let's do it. Let's do announcements. Where are they? I can't find them. Oh, here they are. Do I need to do explain Merch Messages or is that later? No, that's all part of this section, yeah. Okay. All right. Merch Messages, if you guys want to interact with the show, the best way to do it is a Merch Message. We don't want you to just throw your money at the screen to send a message. We want you guys to get something in return. So check out lttstore.com and in the cart, you'll see a little box called Merch Messages. You can send a message, we want you guys to get something in return. So check out lttstore.com and in the cart you'll see a little box called Merch Messages. You can send a message to the show while we're live.

It'll go to producer Dan, who will pop it up on the screen, reply to it himself, or curate it for me and Luke, who will hopefully give you an answer that is satisfactory. Sometimes, hey, it ain't that satisfactory, but them's the breaks. That's what I tell my wife anyway. so why don't we show them a couple merch messages mood I showed you my merch message please respond scene it's too real my dudes what common arguments do you three typically have with your significant others? What are they usually about and how do they end? Enjoy this money made from my job as a spacecraft systems engineer. Cool job. Nice.

Cool job. That's sick. You're so cool. What arguments? I would say... Meaning of words. Really? Yeah. Are you both pedants? Sorry, are you, are you, are you suggesting one for me or telling me yours?

No, mine. Oh, okay. I get really particular. Yeah? Alright. Well, I- I'm like, I'll be wrong, and then fully embrace it. it cuz I'm like if that's the definition of where it is All right. Oh, this is sick. I

like this Hello, dear heart you're live on the WAN show Okay. Hey So someone asked what's the our most common argument? What's it usually about and how does it typically end and I I couldn't really think of it off the top of my head I think our most common argument is usually about how we're communicating with each other and it usually ends with us being like Okay, this is something you can do better okay, this is something you can do better and this is something I can do better.

So I don't know if it's like about a specific thing, rather just like the way we communicate, if that makes sense. Oh, you know what? Yeah, okay, okay, Yvonne's being really nice about it, but sometimes I can be like cranky and dismissive. And that's probably the fight we've had the most in the last six months.

Do you think that's fair? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, okay. And so usually what it amounts to is what can we do to de-escalate a situation? And I think we've gotten a lot better at it. Maybe last two years? Yeah, I think it's something we've worked pretty hard on over the last little while.

Yeah, okay. Because sometimes it's my fault, but Yvonne in the past was like, I can let you go, I can let you go, it's fine. So sometimes like in the past, you know, I would, it would 100% be my fault that it started, but it would be 100% her fault that the temperature went from, you know, 98.6 is human temperature, right? So it'd be like 100% on her that we went to 90, from 99 to like 107, you know? And so I think we've both gotten way better

at recognizing when the temperature's going up and just defusing it. I think that's the biggest thing. It's almost 100% of the time. No, I'm not gonna I'm not know you know what? No, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take that one. I would say 95% of the time. It's like my fault that it starts initially though, because I'm like kind of inattentive slash very ADD. I'm kind of difficult to get along with compared to her.

But there are, there have been times when she's just like cranky because everyone's human, it turns out. I feel like we're probably like similar, but swapped. Really? Okay. I, okay. I've known you a long time you can be very difficult When things start to escalate That's why I said swap yeah I've been trying to get better at that. You're fine. I think I've been getting a bit better at that and sometimes it's just like oh

My god, this doesn't matter and why has this escalated to this point to the point? We're like after an exec meeting. I'm like messaging or calling him after I'm like are you okay? Cuz like you seem very mad to his credit he's pretty good at like cooling off and re-engaging the next time and like everything's fine. But what he doesn't do is actually get on the same page about that with the other person.

So like he's fine. It's like yeah, but nobody else is fine yet, Luke. And like you took this from 99 to 110. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, that sounds about right. Been trying to get better at that though. I think you have. I think you have. I think probably the most recent one was the exec meeting

over your issue with like our Apple vision pro coverage being kind of late. And like I was basically like, yeah, you know, there are challenges because we don't have access with Apple and like, and like, like, here's the issues that about that than I was mad about it. But in the meeting, I was laying out the reasons why we were when we were. And I think you were basically like, well, these reasons aren't good enough, and we should just move heaven and earth to do better. And so what I was trying, and I agree, we should do better. But I was trying to lay out the devil's advocate argument for why it was what it was. And you're like, this is the tech event of the year. I'm like, okay, yes, Luke, but what we need to do

is take a deep breath right now. Oh, we missed it. He did not want to take a deep breath. That's true. And part of the challenge with this guy is that he can be both right and also way out of line. That sounds about right. Ah.

And you gotta, yeah, no, this is great. also way out of line. That sounds about right. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. And you gotta, yeah, no, this is great. Nerdy says Luke is just passionate. And that's right. And that's true. And we should be passionate. It's usually just because, yeah, I'm really into it.

And then it's not like I've left the team, if that makes sense. Yeah. So I also try to get over it and keep moving. Yeah. But yeah. And that's- There's flaws to that path sometimes.

And that's one of the reasons that like, that's one of the reasons that working in a creative industry, working in a fast paced industry can be really challenging is because the only people that are here, here because they want to be here. These are creative, talented people that could go work somewhere else that they feel like it. Like that's something that I feel like people are often missing from the conversations around, especially like unionization here and stuff like that is we don't have a gun to anybody's head.

They don't gotta be here, right? Like they're not standing on an assembly line, putting cogs together the way that they have for 30 years, because that's literally the only job skill they have, because that's the only thing that we've ever trained them to do. And the only thing they've ever done, where the vast majority of the people here are working in. They're working on like a different thing from day to day, especially on like, and when I

say the creative side of the team, I don't just mean video, like, I mean, everything from product design to social media, like we're, we're in a very, very dynamic company in a very, very rapidly changing space. Like, you look at almost any other industry, go back 10 years, look at where we were 10 years ago, find me something else that's changed that much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty nuts. It's sprung up practically overnight. And that kind of thing takes place, not just at the top levels of our company, but from top to bottom. And so I think that that's something that a lot of people are missing or misunderstanding is that people are here because they want to be here. They're

here because they're doing something that matters. And they're here because they want to be. And if they don't want to be, I mean, I've said this in the past, then like I don't want them here. Why would I? They can be somewhere else. So like go do it. And we've had people that have like left

and gone on to have great careers. Oh, guess who I ran into at CES? And we've had people that have like left and gone on to have great careers. Oh Guess who I ran into his CES Brandon Why you know I know that do you like taking wind out of my sails like is that actually a hobby of yours? like if you listed your hobbies Would it be like? Chicken and like f***ing blindness. Probably. You know? To a certain degree.

It's gotta be up there somewhere. No, when we were going through customs back in BC, having landed, we figured out that we were on each other's flight. Hilarious. Didn't realize the whole time. Just by it being delayed for five hours and all this other kind of stuff. Didn't realize until then. Yeah. So I ran into Brandon Lee.

We're finally getting that movie night scheduled. Is it actually? Well, I asked Vance to do it, so yes, it will end up on the schedule. But he never followed up. Not yet, because we were both down in CES. Vance knows. So yeah, I don't schedule my time anymore

because if I do, someone else is just gonna schedule something on top of it anyway, so there's just no point. So for personal obligations, Yvonne helps me, and then for work obligations, Vance helps me. This one's complicated. Yeah, I was gonna say, wait, hold on. Cause like, Brandon, so those of you who are very new

to the channel, Brandon Lee was one of our camera operators, slash, he actually started as an editor, slash, he had hosted and written over the years. Again, one of these multi-talented people that is very multi-talented and could do anything, right? He's a could do anything kind of guy anyway. So he left a while back. And so what is it?

Is it personal? Because he's also a fellow creator. So he's got his own channel now. So that we could maybe talk about potential professional clever. So I didn't know what it was. So I sent it to Vance. I was like, Vance, can you schedule a time for us to have a movie night? And Luke's supposed to come too.

So anyway, yeah. So I ran into Brandon at the show. It was awesome, it was good to see him. I felt so isolated since COVID. We've done some collabs, like we went on call in Samir. The collabs have been cool. The one with Big Time, or Big Time with, oh my goodness, Mighty Car Mods.

What am I talking about Big Time? Although we do have the sponsorship with Big Time, that's why they were on my brain. Dude, the one with Doug DeMuroro. We finally we're finally doing some claps again, but we've done very few tech Creator collabs so running into Austin in line for the Nvidia event was great. So he made a cameo in our video I don't know if you saw that no, that's cool. So I had and who wasn't recording the keynote, dude Okay, I don't go to keynotes because I think they're stupid. Not because the keynote or the information is stupid,

but because attending in person is so pointless. You know something we missed out on though? Yeah. We should have restreamed it. Why? With commentary. I mean, I had people in the audience like shushing me whenever I was talking. No, no, no, no, no, like sit in the hotel room

or something and just watch it there. Oh, sure. But anyway, there, no, like sit in the hotel room or something and just watch it there. Oh, sure. But anyway, there was like thousands of people in this arena. You have a way worse view than if you're just sitting watching on your laptop. If you're making content. Way worse.

You're not set up with your stuff to like make content about it immediately. General attendees were in the stands. They had VIP, whatever that really means. Yeah. Like 30 rows of it in the front on the flat ground. And then media was behind them. It was still flat ground.

So media had like the worst seats in the entire house. And it's so ridiculous, because the thing starts and everybody like turns on their phones and like. And I'm like. Anything cool happens, people stand up. I'm making like snarky little comments to Austin. I'm like, yeah, you better make sure you capture this because like, there will be no way to get, there will be no way to get there will be no way to get

This footage later like in videos streaming it live. What are you doing? What are you even? What are you even doing? Yeah The one thing that was worth it gas racing and float plane Chaz is the one part that was kind of worth it was them Rickrolling us before the start. That was pretty funny. They just almost no one reacted. I know that was I know It's cuz it's all like investors and stuff. Do people not... oh... Like the media would have known... I was gonna say, do people not know like, Rickroll anymore? Terrible.

That was odd. But yeah, like I'm just... I'm just looking at it and I'm just like... Why are we even here? This is so stupid. Where was... what was I talking about? Oh, right. So we've done so few collabor... oh right? This is so stupid. Where was, what was I talking about? Oh, right. So we've done so few collabor- Oh, right, yeah, so Austin. So, Andrew's sitting next to me, not videoing anything, because obviously not.

If we had any footage of it, Nvidia literally had on four cables, a hovering camera above the crowd, getting the best possible angle. Why are we holding up our phones like this, like a bunch of idiots? But anyway, I was like, Andrew, turn on the camera, turn on the camera. and we get a quick clip of me being like

I'll believe it when I see it to Austin and so we cut that into the intro and so he just made like a Like a two second cameo in the video and seeing people freak out in the comments is great. That's so much fun with stuff I'm exhausted. I Think I'm in oh dude. I'm, I think I'm in one of his videos, but again, it was just as like a cameo. Like he asks someone to do something, or he's like on his way to something, and then he like asks me my opinion,

and I go to talk, and he's like, oh actually, wait, there's someone else, and he goes and like talks to them. Like just a very short thing. I'm not sure if that video is up yet. I gotta go look. Oh no. Yeah, I just a very short thing. I'm not sure if that video is up yet. I gotta go look. Oh no. Yeah, I just read that.

Dinner Beef says, did you see that both Colin and Samir's houses are gone? I heard about Kyle already. We were gonna be talking about that later on the show, but that is absolutely devastating. Obviously it's been said, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be said again. I just

want to commend the bravery of the firefighters that are down in California right now fighting these. I also want to condemn anyone who is turning this tragic loss of life and property and natural resources and beauty and all the things that we're losing right now into a political thing. It has nothing... I didn't even know that. It was literally gale force winds blowing embers around, starting fires faster than any fire preparedness system possibly could have been ready for. And it is a tragedy and we should recognize it for what it is, a terrible,

terrible tragedy and just focus on doing what we can to help the people that are affected by it. Pete Slauson Canada sent some water bombers. Jared Slauson Yeah. Pete Slauson That was cool. Jared Slauson Thank you very much. That is how neighbors behave. Pete Slauson Yeah. Heck yeah. Jared Slauson And I'm extremely, I'm extremely proud of our boys heading down there. Thank you very much.

Firefighters are underrated. Based. Period. And I'm not even saying that because, like, you know, his brother's a firefighter. He's based too. But yeah, firefighters, respect, mad respect. They do a lot of things that really suck a lot. And then they get rewarded with fighting fires sometimes. Crazy.

Some of the stories, man, like... They're the first responders for basically everything. Yeah, meaning often they see the worst of it. Yep. It's rough Yeah, um So i've for those of you, uh who are asking because a lot of other people kind of posted publicly about it Uh, yes, I have already reached out to kyle

Um, if there's anything that we can do, uh, we'll do it. Um I out to Kyle. If there's anything that we can do, we'll do it. I don't want to disclose anything about his situation, so I'll leave it to him to kind of communicate in good time. But hey, if there was ever a time to go check out one of Bitwit's videos or go watch one of Colin and Samir's videos or something like that, to share the channels or share some really good videos you think your friends might enjoy. Now is a good time because, you know, it's going to be a little challenging for them for a while. At the very least. At the very least.

Yeah. All right. What is next on the schedule, Dan? Did we only do one Merch message? Yeah. Why don't we What is next on the schedule, Dan? Did we only do one merch message? Yeah, why don't we do another merch message and then, um, yeah, we asked what your most horrible relationship fights are about and then we ended up with the fire. Oh, Brian Lovelace, hold on, we got one quick thing.

Yes, Kyle is in bitwit, moo. One last thing, Brian Lovelace says, Linus, did you see the drone pilot that took out one of Canada's water bombers? Yeah, get your fucking drones out of the sky. People got real shit to do. Stop it. Yeah, that's really stupid. You're an idiot.

Like you're actually a complete idiot. You're lucky nobody died. Okay, anyway. Okay, hi, Dan. Hey, let's do another one here. Let's see, friendly DLL, what's the best way to make my NAS faster for video editing and playing games? I got a Synology 1522 Plus that I'm happy with except the speed. Which upgrade route do you recommend?

Time to build a NAS, yo. Yeah, there's not much you can be able to do about the one that you have, I think. That's the thing about these box NASs, because I saw a lot of people were really confused about Hex OS, the NAS OS that I invested in that is based on True NAS. They're like, what is this even for? If people want it to be easy, they can just buy one of these pre-done NAS boxes. And the answer is that, yeah, you could do that, but your software license is locked to the overpriced hardware that you bought.

And when it comes time to upgrade that overpriced hardware, you're buying a whole new box. That's how they get you. You pay for it somewhere. Yeah, I get it. XOS launched at $100 for the lifetime license and then went up to 200. And when they go full V1.0, it'll be $300 for a lifetime license and then went up to $200 and when they go full

v1.0 it'll be $300 for a lifetime license which is a lot of money. It's a lot. But if you are going to have even two NASs in your life, I promise you you're spending more than $300 on the software, you just don't know it because it isn't broken out as a line item. So upgrade route, Hex OS is still in early access. I would say maybe building yourself a NAS is definitely going to be a good way to go. We've done some videos recently kind of talking through it. I'd say the one where we built one for Mark Rober is the most kind of up to date that

I would probably look at. Obviously, you're not going gonna put as many hard drives in as Mark Rober did. Oh, another really good one, John's Bow Ness. We actually have at least one person on staff who watched this video and was like, I'm just gonna build that. Me.

Oh, that's right, that's right, it's Dan. I also built, well, I assembled Mark Rober's one too that we shipped him, I believe. So that one, I would watch those two if you're looking for videos from us On building your own NAS that one's very Big boy, yes. Yeah. Yeah, that one's that one's pretty nice, but it's for you know It's for my crowbar right so it's like the synology the specific synology model that that person has

You can upgrade the memory and you can add some scalability in terms of adding drive base But like you're not gonna make it faster. Yep, not gonna happen. Sorry, buddy All right. What's next? Mr. Dan? Oh All right announcements, what shirt are you wearing introducing? the couch potato and the hot potato hoodies Picking the right game to play finding the right YouTube video to watch being a couch potato. It's not as simple as it seems. That's why we've developed the Couch Potato Hoodie, a cotton terry hooded sweatshirt that is

optimized for peak inactivity. It's basically a 2.0 version of the Uncle Linus hoodie from 2023's April Fools, if you guys remember that. And the reason that we brought it back is because the feedback on that thing was incredible. People love their Uncle Linus hoodies, but we couldn't bring it back in the exact same form because we said it was exclusive. So true to our word, we are bringing it back in a completely different form. It's deceptively cozy,

even though it looks like a potato sack. And the cotton terry fabric is really comfy while also being quite breathable and for a bonus we have a very special very limited edition version that we are calling the hot potato hoodie and I've been asked to open the box that's in front of me if I can figure out which side of it's. Ooh. Fancy. That's a fancy box. Fancy.

Fancy. Okay. Oh, that's what it's gonna look. This is what it's gonna look like when you open it. Not only is it the best color way out there, totally unbiased to take, it comes in a collectible gift box and comes with a signed certificate of authenticity

signed by me This one's not signed because this one is fake. There are only Really? Okay. All right. We're doing this again. There are only 69 available. So get them while they are nice and Hot you can check them both out at LMG.gg Potato they should be going live right now and they're going live right now. All right So be ready for some merch messages down Too many only a hey under a hundred and now we have another game Yeah, but people are gonna buy the they're gonna buy that one too like this is dude

You have no idea how many uncle line of cities we sold they're so comfortable. They are actually nicer oh Yeah, we haven't shown them, Luke, do you wanna, I don't know, show the people? Or, whoop, wrong one. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Oh my God. Anyway, okay, so yeah, now it has nice ribbed sleeves

and bottom, you can show the ribbing, oh, okay. He's just leaving? He's just, yeah, he's gone, and he's gone, folks. It has our cell phone pocket on the right hand side by the, yep, by the kangaroo pocket classic. It has the nice little like, there's like melted plastic majigs on the end, so they're nice, they're not gonna fray. We don't have the same kind of frayed stitching, like there's, it's got like kind of a little bit of kind of roughness to the edges because we wanted to maintain the Look, but there are it's a little more finished than the original uncle Linus hoodie. All right, cool

Thanks, Luke. Great job. Yeah, eventually you got there. I don't forget where the heck the camera was All right. So here it is coach potato hoodie and hot potato hoodie. Oh, yeah we didn't even show the racing stripes on the one that I'm wearing and These are probably gone already How'd you wait what Tyler? How'd you get it is that edited in it looks like it yeah No, wait. No. No, I don't think so

When was this? Oh This is from forever ago. Oh, the Christmas party. We've been sitting on these for a while. Yep. I was like, when the heck was, oh, this is all the Float Plane guys. That's pretty cool.

Here, hold on, I'm going to Luke's laptop. Yeah, so that's an awesome picture. That is an awesome picture, actually. So this was when the Float Plane team was up, they all have Doritos bags. The float plane team was up for the Christmas party, so they stay up for like the week instead of just the one day and then we all work together locally for a little while. So this is the float plane team sans like the infrastructure people I guess. We probably should have done a limited run of 690 of these based on how quickly it sold

out. But it's gone? Oh, yeah, of course. Maybe next time we'll do like a 690 run. I got distracted by the float plane pictures. The reason why I had the page up was I was trying to get one of the pink ones. And then I was like, wait, what? And then I lost it.

Yeah. Sorry, brother. Sorry, brother. Sorry, brother. Darn it. Every single size is sold out. Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's pretty cool. But don't worry.

Don't worry. This one is still available and super comfy. All right, let's go ahead and what are we supposed to do next, Dan? We have a game to play. Oh, let's play a game. Oh, okay, sure. Luke.

Did I just hit your hand? Sorry. You've built a few computers in your heyday. Wow, that's an interesting wording. Wow. But not a few computers recently, I guess. Wow, I mean, that's fairly true. I'm gonna adjust it.

You've built a few computers in your day. Would you say you'd be pretty good at being able to tell what different PC parts are? I am going to present you with five different PC components, and you are going to have to correctly identify what each component is down to size and form factor. Fortunately, each one of the answers can be verified with the useful visual references that we have on the LTT mod map that is releasing next Friday, January 17th. Can I help you, Dan? What are you doing?

Can I help you? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uh you can see the line is discarded chip bags. Nice. Really? Nice. Let's go. You're gonna go all the way in on that? Oh, okay, no, no, that's fine. Okay, so hand cam. Okay, so we're ready, Dan. Okay, so we're gonna go one at a time. So I get to use the mod mat? Okay, oh, hold on. Okay, but let's raise the stakes.

Wait, what? We are going to give 100 random people who signed up for email notifications a chance at a pretty nice discount on the LTT modmat. No wait, for every part Luke gets right, they get 10% off. Oh wow. So if you get all five right, 100 randomly selected people will get 50% off their modmat purchase. That is below cost. That is well below cost. I hate to break it to you guys. I'm probably not gonna do that great okay let's start nice and

easy Luke here you want to come get a get a close up here Luke what size motherboard is this that one I think is ITX well we can verify Dan do you want to go ahead and do the honors no to point it down there. Yeah, no, no, you gotta point it to... And I think I just spent my... I think you just used up one of your wrong ones. Really? That's not ITX. What do you mean? That is mini ITX. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I was looking at that and just ran off ATX. I'm not giving you nothing for that. You should give me that one.

You get a whole lot of... No. You get a whole lot of... No. You get a whole lot of nothing for that one. That one's fine. Nothing. That one's fine.

Okay, next. That one should count. Next. Oh wow, the script here says, alright, that was way too easy. I got it! We just wanted to make sure people got some discounts. You didn't get nothing. I did get it. We just wanted to make sure people got some just you didn't get nothing I did get it. I just wanted to make sure people got some discounts Let's turn it up a notch if Lance doesn't give you the discount. He's a scammer

What type of CPU is this oh we need the socket type not the actual CPU model number Uh... What is it called again? Is it a... I don't think, weren't there multiple that would suit that? Well, give us the best answer you can. Give us the best answer you can. I'm trying to remember the name of it I've never been good at this stuff 1150 Sure

Okay, Dan. Do you want to go ahead and put it up against the size guide? Well, then you gotta show the people a little closer. Maybe Is it this one? It's even got the notches, that's kinda nice. There we go. There we go. LGA 115X. You know what? I'll allow that one. That one should be allowed as well. Nope. That's the wrong name. That's the wrong name. Cause all the different-

I pointed at the thing! I don't think any reasonable person could be expected to remember the positions of the notches for like 1156, 1155, 11- Okay, alright, alright. I pointed at the thing though, I meant literally that one. Yeah, well, then I guess you should have said the right thing. Okay, you got one. What, no, this is literally not what happened. Okay.

Why are you against the consumer, you're against the people. Okay. What size is this fan, down to the millimeter? 92. Dan? I don't know on that one. Dan? I don't know on that one. Dan, you gotta point at this.

Sorry, I can't. I'm not sure on that one. They're color coded. See how they're color coded? So it's easy to make sure that you've got them all on the right thing. What's going on, Dan? Dan, he's cooking.

What's happening? Let him cook. Let him cook. Just do one thing and then do the other thing. Here, why don't you let me hold the camera? Light it up and then film. Why don't you let me hold the camera? I got you, I got you, Dan.

There we go. Oh, I'm looking at the wrong ones, there's two sides to it. There we go. There we go. Okay, where are we at? 92. 92 millimeter, let's go!

Okay. Yeah, let me show that off. Okay, don't let them get too nauseated. I'm sorry. Okay, sure, yep, fine, okay, good. Okay, let's move away from desktops for a second here. Let's imagine you're working on something that you might not always work on.

Can you identify what type of SODIMM memory this is? What type of SODIMM? DDR3, four, or five? Oh, what? Uh... I would get this, but only because we've only ever gotten one sample of memory from intelligent memory and I just happen to know what it is because it was like super special, high cap, weird memory.

This is on the multiple choice where you just, you YOLO it. I'm going to say DDR4. Okay. Let's go ahead and check well we have color-coded uh notches oh that's cool yeah hold on just gonna stick it in the other way around there we go that fits up on the green oh that's on the green uh which if you check the legend in the top there that one's just a whiff is DDR3 Sorry Luke. Okay, finally we have the toughest

Yeah, this isn't no this is easy. I don't know any of the screws. This is easy at all really How can you not know that never cared? I've always thought it was weird that you knew I'm not even kidding What yeah, I've never bothered. How can you not know that? Never cared. I've always thought it was weird that you knew. I'm not even kidding. What? Yeah, I've never cared at all. OK. Why, yeah. What type of screw is this? Oh, man, it's an, oh, wow.

They actually really threw you, man, they threw you a curve ball. I'll say that much. You can take it. You can hold it. That's not, like, I think, literally the only one that I think I know Which is m4 and I don't think is it?

Are you guys that is that your final answer? I think that's only Where's the chart? Can't look at it. You're not allowed to look at it My bags say my my my ketchup chips bag says no I Don't think this is it, but I'll say m4m4. Okay. Yeah the PC Like metric screw size is actually m3 This this was a really tough one though and the reason that this was so hard I've no I'm Dan here. I'm actually gonna go over. I'm gonna go over there for a second I'm just gonna kind of I'm gonna kind of yell

Okay, yeah over here. You know what Dan? I'll get you to show it to the people if you want to use one of the one of the cams No, no, you go go over there. I want to show it to them close up. Okay. Yeah, so I'll switch to the Linus cam and I'll switch to you can use the you can use the screen next to you to try to focus it. Dan? Or that one. Oh, you could also use that screen. Okay, cool. So the reason that this is so hard is because it has the round top like you would normally have on an M3 computer screw. See that? The little kind of ring around the top. So it has the circular round top like an M3 should have.

But the threading is actually 632. So that's a, that is a really, really tricky one. You to I'd be able to identify it by the spacing on the threads that one was brutal. I was never gonna happen. Yeah, no that was that's a tough one. So that's probably for a that's probably for a motherboard that is probably a motherboard screw for a case that uses 632, but they know that the 632s, with the ribbing on the bottom, are really not that ideal for screwing in motherboards. So they went with the circular top, and it's just like, oh, goodness, that's a random screw. People are asking how the ModMat can tell you that screw and if they can see it. Oh, yeah, for sure. We can show that.

Yeah, Dan, I'm going gonna switch back to the hand cam. If you just wanna... Let me find it on the... Hold on, we gotta do it with the hand cam. You gotta show the people the process. Where's the hand cam? Yeah, I'll hold it. Here we go. Okay, here, here, here, here, here. I'm gonna stabilize here. So Luke's gonna have to talk us through this. Linus is holding a camera. Linus is holding a camera. Dan's looking around, he's comparing the screws

to, well he's trying to do something with tweezers, I don't know why he doesn't just use his hands. There we go. So he's comparing the screws to the things on the mod mat. He's looking at the thread comparison between what's on the mat and the screw that he's holding. Yeah okay so that's basically it. It's 632. Yeah yeah and he found the right one which was luckily you can actually the first one. Yeah so we have both we have both indicators. I'm back to the web. We have indicators for both like about how long the screws should be and also

Blown up illustrations so you can see what the spacing is kind of supposed to look like to help you identify screws Not through trial and error because if you put an M3 in a 632 standoff It'll just like come out and it's like doesn't really matter like come out and it's like doesn't really matter. If you, if your motherboard is like wrenched against something like to get it into the back because your back plate is not perfectly aligned like a lot of older cases the tolerance is pretty far off a 632 will our an M3 will hold in a 632 standoff because it'll be like pushed against it by the force of the motherboard and it'll kind of catch the threads on the one side. I've experienced that before. Don't do that. But if you put a 632 screw into an M3, it'll thread like three quarters of a turn

and then it'll seize and then you have to like take that out and it'll probably pull the standoff out so then you have to take out everything else, take the whole motherboard out, get a pair of pliers or a little wrench or something, take it apart, put the standoff back in and then do it again. So it's really tedious. It's nicer to just be able to check. Tell you what, guys, I'll tell you what. Jojo 0227 in the Float Plane Chat says, Luke is correct for the ITX question. That last one was pretty, that was pretty tough. No, the screw was wrong.

That was pretty- I got the screw wrong, for sure. I was never gonna get it right. But that last question was pretty tough. So okay, it right. But that last question was pretty tough. Oh. So, okay. All right. Because that one, I actually agree that that one was, that one's pretty brutal. So let's say four out of five. We'll say four out of five. I'll take four out of five. All right. So that's 40% off for 100 lucky people who are signed up at lmg.GG slash modmat. You guys can still sign up and qualify to potentially get the 40% off discount.

Can I help you? You seem concerned. I just realized something, but I think I don't say it. Okay. Neat. Dan. Dan, do you know? What? Know what? What you get away did he get too wrong aside from the thing I said wait hold on hold on a second

We need to move on to some additional I think you said the... I don't know. I'm a man of my word. If I said 40% off, then it's 40% off. Now you have to pay an extra 40%. It's only 100 orders. It won't hurt that much. Alright, that's fine. Yeah, I got the ram wrong.

Dude, the only reason, the only reason I knew that I would know desktop I'd be able to do desktop, but the old Ddr4 Ddr5 would be tough because of how yeah exactly well Angles and yeah, yeah I know the the bottom below the fingers below the little golden fingers is shaped differently I would probably be able to do desktop without too much trouble But laptop I just haven't worked on enough to know where the notches are. I would have an issue with four versus five on desktop,

I'm just being honest. Yeah. Three I'd get. Three is way off-center, and then four and five are both really close to center. It's just more the different shape at the bottom of the blade where it goes in. But since five came out, I've built very few computers. So like experiencing that difference, yeah, no. That's fair, that's fair. The labels were covered, Nick. The labels are covered, Nick. Nick from the labs was like, I just checked the labels.

Wow, what a guy, what a guy. All right, next topic. Luke, do you wanna pick one? Sure, should we talk about CES, CES 2025? All right, next topic. Luke, do you want to pick one? Sure. Should we talk about CES, CES 2025? Yeah. Yeah, we could do that. So this is a question for all three of us,

but can you name your top three products you saw? Top is not defined here. Top is tough. Do we say interesting or best? I think interesting is... We could do... We could do interesting. I mean, I think everyone's definition of interesting

is gonna be so different. Like, I was surprised... I was surprised to see Stern there. Yeah. Like, pinball brand just chilling in the... What was that? The Central Hall, I think it was. The like, big expensive hall.

Like, okay. And dude, I gotta say, as someone who's never torn down a pinball machine But who definitely appreciates that there is some tech in it. I didn't realize how much tech was in it they had a really cool demo where they had the front and backside of one of their one of their new tables in In like an acrylic Vertical case so you could see everything moving and lighting up on the. So you could see everything moving and lighting up on the front, and you could see everything actuating and firing on the back and all the PCBs and everything.

It was super cool. Yeah. Yeah, and so it's like this, it's this analog experience that is very much enhanced by digital aids. I thought it was great. Thought it was super cool. So I'm gonna say that's one of my picks.

So yeah, you got two more. Can we go around one and then? Yeah, let's go one at a time. Okay. Because it gives me time to think about my other two. Something that I really liked, but it was way too expensive and not quite good enough was a chess robot.

Oh dude, I played it. Super cool. For like two moves. Yeah. But like, I played it. Super cool. For like two moves. But like I got, I did see it. I would never, how much was it? Did they say? 1000 US dollars. So, so it, so it had a,

has a little face in the screen and it like says stuff and like thanks you for your match and whatever. And then it has like a robot arm that actually sit like moves the piece and then like And so it obviously has some kind of Near-field something in your camera. Oh uses a camera to tell where you move your pieces. Oh, that's kind of stupid Well, I would I would just put sensors in the bottom of the board

It has like a little arm that sticks out I didn't actually ask what it was but it has a little arm that sticks out and there's a thing that looks down. So I thought it was a camera. Did we look at different chess playing robots? We might have. Sensor robot was the brand that I had looked at. Sensor robot.

Okay, hold on. We might have looked at different chess playing robots. Sensor robot. Wait, hold on. Is this the one I saw? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, robots. Uh, sense robot. Wait, hold on. Is this the one I saw? Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, this is the one. Okay, maybe I didn't notice... Uh, is... Oh, this thing. Oh yeah, no, I think you're right. I think it does use a camera. Oh, that seems like, uh, that seems like an over-engineered way to do it.

But, what do I know? Cool. Anyway, the point is that, um, it's pretty slow. So like... Dude, I played a full game against it. Yeah, it would have taken forever. It doesn't have to think at all, because, you know, it's a chess computer, and you know, that the rating that I had to put it at in order to try to beat it quickly for the video was pretty low, so it didn't have to do a lot of calculation. It still took, by the time our game was done, it took over 10 minutes just doing its own moves. And that means no computation.

The second my turn is done, it's moving. It still took over 10 minutes. Very slow, very inefficient as well, which I talked to them about. Yeah, it has like a claw that comes down all the way to the bottom of the piece and then goes to like a fixed spot and then lifts up on the piece.

So it'll kind of slide up on the different sized ones. So they had to design their pieces to have the grabby spot in the same spot for all of them. And so there's a lot of just like opening up way wide and then coming to like the right spot and like making sure it's in there. Cause it might not put the piece down in exactly the center, right?

So they have to build in a little bit of room for error like that. So yeah, just, I don't know. It seems like the kind of thing that's, it's definitely a conversation starter. Yes. Like if you just have like rich fuck you money and you're just like, yeah, I want a chess robot.

If you have rich fuck you money and you want to learn how to play over the board, I think it's honestly a huge benefit. Really? It's a thousand dollars, which is a huge problem. But my thing is like, I have my dad made me this cool, he carved chess pieces, made a custom wooden chess board for me. Super, super sick. I can almost never use it. Because what are the chances that someone is going to be around all the time? So you want a robot. That's exactly at my rating.

You want a robot that you can just put your board in front of. Because yeah, this uses its own board. That would be amazing. Yeah. But like, yeah, having the, because if you play online, right, you go to move your knight, you click on it, shows you all the spaces it can go to. Well, you can turn that off. Yeah, but it's still like, even when you do that, like, I don't know, the mental of playing

physically over the board is different. Even like, the mental of playing physically over the board is different. Even like just angle that you're looking at, like it's just a very different experience. I'm not a chess player, far too much ADD for chess. So like I can think maybe two turns ahead at maximum and then my brain starts going, jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj Like, I literally can't. You might enjoy puzzles, but yeah. So like, super, super cool, it's just really expensive, really slow.

I tried to suggest that... Oh, sorry, I was going somewhere with that, but my ADD fizzled out. So the point is that I'm not at like a level where I would understand like, oh yeah, you need to like, learn to play on the board. Just because I don't recognize that doesn't mean it's not valid. That's totally valid, I guess. I assume. There's even a small thing where if you're playing in an over-the-board tournament, you

have a physical clock and your timer stops not when you finish your move, but when you hit it. Yeah. And this chess robot, when you're done your turn, you press the button. So you have to physically move the piece and then press the button, which is actually going to give you actual genuine practice for how you're playing a tournament. Except that in a tournament, your opponent is also going to be on the clock and they're not going to take 3000 years to move their piece.

Yes. And you'll have a lot more time to think. You get to calculate while it's moving, which is bad. Yeah. And like I suggested, right now, if it takes a piece, it it will you know the motor starts it moves over the board it lowers down it picks up your piece it raises up it moves it over to where it's going to to deposit on the side it lowers down it releases it it lifts back up it moves back over it picks up its piece by going down it comes back up it moves it to where it's going to go it goes back down

like if it gets mad does it huck it at you? I wish it did. Um, but I wish it would slide. So I wish it would grab it and then slide it to where it's supposed to go if it has a clear path and then allow you to pick up your piece that has been taken out and move it to the side. That would be faster, but I, it would be like a disaster if people don't know to do that. So I get it. I don't know.

I wish there was ways that could make it a lot smarter. But, but yeah, that was, I thought that was pretty neat because I haven't seen anything like that before. I think there's different versions of it, but I haven't seen anything like that before. Farrowan asks, I've only been here for six or seven years. Has Luke ever finished a sentence before Linus started talking? I don't think so. I don't know. What's the WAN show? People, people, there was like, there was a thread on know. What's the WAN show? People, there was like, there was a thread on Reddit a while ago. He just keeps going now too, so. It doesn't bother me really. There was a thread on Reddit a while ago that was like sympathizing with me about it. I'm like, dude, I don't even think about it anymore. Like it doesn't, it doesn't bother me at all. I don't know. There's like, there's quite a few people in my life that have pretty intense ADHD.

And it's like, you either like, let it bother you all the time or you just get over it. And I've just, I got over it. Yeah, Lucas adapted. Exactly. Like it just, who cares? He's reached his next form. Yeah, we'll either come back to that thought or we won't. It's fine.

It doesn't matter. Conversation will move on. What were we supposed to be? Oh yeah, Dan. Dan, yours. You're up. So my top one is I think probably a bit of a weird one. I think I was telling Luke about this as well.

I was walking around the show. It's my first time. I have no real desire to find a lot of the fun stuff. And I saw this really cute, like, chibi wall, like narwhal walrus kind of logo at a table in the back rooms of some random hall. I don't even know which one it was. And their company name is like Fun Something or Other,

and it's really like cartoony. And then I look over on their third one, and it's like, hey, I kill walls. Killnet for a military industrial complex. And it's like the biggest whiplash I think I've ever got. It's like, you know, death from above from drones from the cute narwhal company. I don't think you had told me about that.

Oh, okay. Well, so that's my CES basically. Weird pick, okay Okay for number two I'm gonna go with You know what that I mean, there's a reason I made a video about it That high sense TV is sick with the with the mini LED with the RGB Mini LED backlight. Yeah And I think the best way that I could explain it

I already did in the video very few people watch that video, it was a terrible performer, but whatever. We're going to get our hands on it and we'll do a funny vlog that I guess will engage people more where we'll, you know, have it almost fall over or whatever. And if that's what I have to do to get people to learn about cool tech, then I'll do it. But the backlight of this thing is incredible. So instead of using a white or like a blue backlight and then using that to excite quantum dots to emit light Which is quite an efficient process they are just not even bothering with the conversion in the first place and

They are using RGB individual LEDs instead of white or blue individual LEDs at the back to Massively ramp up the color saturation. So instead, it's kind of like, it's kind of like WO LED versus RGBO LED in terms of color saturation. And LG still has advantages with WO LED in terms of brightness, for instance, or at least that was true a generation or two ago, the last time I sort of compared them side by side.

But there is no doubt an advantage in terms of color saturation to just not having the white or the other parts of the spectrum that need to be filtered out. So if you can take your red pixel on your tomato on screen or your sports car or whatever it is, and instead of shining a white light through that red pixel of your LCD layer you shine a red light through it it's Shut up Siri It is it is just outstanding. It's it's incredible. It's it's the kind of thing you really have to see to believe and it looks great

The fact that it's only on their 116 inch TV this year is sort of a downer I do understand why it's very computationally intensive And I think they're just kind of waiting for it to it to get a little bit more Economical before they can bring it to the rest of the line I mean that's something Hisense has been pretty good about in the past is Introing really cool technology and then either killing it like they did with their dual LCD layer thing that I would love to use for Round two of world's brightest by the way, I saw your suggestions. Don't worry. That was already on our radar Their dual cell so it had two LCD layers so they could filter the black way better

Like that just never happened, but I think it never happened not because they gave up but because they found something better So they're they're many never happened, but I think it never happened, not because they gave up, but because they found something better. So they're many, many local dimming zone technology and they're last gen outstanding. They had the 40,000 zones and then this RGB backlight looks, oh man, it looks so good. And I think in the past, right, I was going somewhere with that.

They've done a pretty good job of introducing cool new tech and as long as it sticks around, letting it waterfall its way down to things that are more affordable. And I think their mainstream TV lineup in like a couple of years, their mini LED with RGB backlight stuff is going to be just outstanding, just killer. For me, my next one, and this is definitely on the interesting side of things, not the favorite side of things. Oh, hold on. One quick question from Pyro Pinky.

But how does it make white with all three going at the same intensity? So the same way that a current RGB LED makes white. It's just that you can just fire one of them and still get that incredible brightness. So you get that saturation and that brightness. It's so good. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, next one. I really wanted to try it and they were letting people try it and do demos, but there was

a lifting exoskeleton and I was able to try it. It like really barely fit me. To strap the thing to my thighs was like, it was at its maximum length. Wow, what a humble flex there. Yeah. But it did work. It had a lifting assistance capacity of 30 kilograms. And then they had like a water bag there that weighed 25 kilograms so you could try it out

It was nine thousand US dollars it had a battery on it that would last between five and eight hours But the battery was removable so you can take one battery out plug another one in use that one to charge I Genuinely think it was like really bad. And I tried to be kind of light on it when we filmed our little short thing. And the longer time has passed since I've used it, the worse I think it is, the more I think about the concept. So you have these like, there's these straps that come down your arms and then you have these hooks. So you have these like, there's these like straps that come down your arms, and then you have these like hooks.

So you have the hook in your palm and you hook it under whatever you're picking up. So if it's like a box, you put the hook in like the handle portion of the box. Sure. Already an issue if the box doesn't have handles. Already an issue because if you have to try to hook it onto the bottom, it might like puncture up into the box. So the hooks are like a bit of an issue automatically. But let's say the thing that you're picking up

is perfect for the hooks because the water bag was pretty good for it. I automatic, so I, you know, I pick up the thing without the exoskeleton so I can feel it before and after. I go to pick it up with the exoskeleton and I do it like how I would normally pick something up, right? Bend at the exoskeleton and I, I do it like how I would normally pick something up, right? Right. Bend at the knees, keep your back straight,

all that kind of stuff. I then pick it up and I'm like, well, it didn't really seem like it did much. Because you're lifting properly. So it's like designed to help you if you like, don't lift properly, if you just use your arms. The guy tells me, don't bend your knees, just bend at the hips and do like the worst thing you could possibly do. So I'm like, okay, for demonstration purposes, I will do that. And then I felt it in my back. Like I'm fine, obviously it was too late to matter.

That's not obvious. But like, yeah, fair enough. I mean, you've injured yourself a lot recently. Yeah, but like it was, I just, I'm doing this, I'm like, it doesn't fully lift it for you. Yeah. It helps. Yeah. So now you're in like the worst compromised position you can be in. And maybe you're getting some help, but you'd be better off just learning to lift properly. Yeah, like what if it runs out of battery in the middle of that? Yeah, I mean, theoretically that shouldn't happen, but also like stuff happens.

Maybe. And it like, it does weigh something. So now you're carrying around this thing, which like will maybe sometimes help you. Okay. I don't know. It was the one thing that I thought it did do well was the guy switched what mode it was in

and it just got completely rigid. So like if you had to be leaned over working on something for a long time, it can help you keep Okay. good posture and it can take some of the load off of your back muscles in your spine. So I did think that was actually kind of cool. But like, uh, I don't know. Sammy and I were talking about it and we were like, you know, anything that's going to like help reduce workplace injuries, like cool, you know, that sounds great. But for a $9,000 thing that to use properly, you have to put yourself in a compromising

position. I don't believe that's actually happening. Um, so anyways, I thought it was interesting. First time I tried something like that, but yikes. I don't think it's a- Kaboom Pow says, as someone who just finished doing a bunch of drywall, it would be amazing to have an exoskeleton to help hold up the sander.

So yeah, they had a different model for that. Okay. Where it supported your arms. This one didn't do anything for your arms. It was your back and your legs. Right. And that one looked maybe a little bit more legit. Got it.

I don't know. I think it really depends on your use case. I also think if you were like a lot smaller and a lot weaker, it might've been more beneficial. Wow, called out. But seriously, because like needing to bend over that much, because this was like a very small bag on the ground. Yeah. So needing to do like a hip hinge all the way down to pick that up, put me in a

pretty sketchy spot. But if it wouldn't have put you in a pretty sketchy spot, then and it would have actually helped you then you know, maybe it's better. I don't know. All right, then. Okay, let's see number two, I got to look at a bit of a development board for a new communication model and It looks like GPU enclosures for laptops. What are they called? IGP use EGP use new enclosures are gonna be pretty incredible and be able to run some pretty insane stuff with single cable Yeah, Thunderbolt 5 looks sick. No, I think it was a new USB or something like that. Yeah. Thunderbolt 5 basically.

Yeah. Thunderbolt 4 2.0, I hate it. Drives me nuts. Yeah. Well, our USB... No, I think USB has actually cleaned up their branding. I was reading a blog post or something. That would be nice. USB new branding. I think they're going back to just... Reading a blog post or something. That would be nice. USB new branding. I think they're going back to just, yeah, here.

This is on ours. Says goodbye to confusing branding. Oh wait, this is from 2022. Yeah. Oh. When it comes out, USB 4 version 2. So they still have the stupid names. I see.

But the branding is apparently getting, or has been, or has been getting cleaned up. Yeah. Yeah. So that's good. Kind of nice. Yeah. So anyway, yeah. USB 4 80 gigabit is the one.

From talking to one of our ASUS contacts about it, apparently not all 80 gigabit is going to be usable for an eGPU. It's probably closer to like three quarters of it, which is actually less than their old... Man, what did they call it? The one on the ROG Ally... ROG Ally. Oh no, CUC GPU standard. I'm just gonna look it up. XG Mobile, that's right. It's actually a little lower bandwidth than XG Mobile,

but it's hopefully enough. And that hopefully makes having any GPU somewhat viable again. With that said, oh, okay, we're gonna have to get into sponsors at some point here, and we're gonna have to get into like sponsors at some point here and we're gonna have to finish this topic. But I think that AMD's Ryzen AI Max series, AI Max Plus and AI Max might make the idea

of having a thin and light for being on the go. And then like having an EGPU station to dock into, just, I don't know, maybe just kind of not even worth it. I think so. I don't know, but we'll talk about it later. First, is it my turn again? I want to interject for a second. FogelBR in Fogelbling chat said, world of concrete trade show in Vegas is where more applicable versions of assist devices are shown off for tradespeople. Yeah, to be clear, I'm not saying this was like a good one.

Yeah, it was just one we checked out. Yeah. Yeah, the, our favourite things that the Yeah, it was just one we checked out. Yeah. Yeah, the our favorite things that the show has turned into just stuff we thought was interesting to talk about. Okay, I'm gonna get you to go next because my next one actually has a live demo. Okay. I'm gonna go get it. Sure. Mine, my next one I think would be at one of the Intel rooms where we saw a new media over Thunderbolt thing where you can essentially have a streaming PC that's just connected through Thunderbolt so you don't need capture cards. Did you see that, Dan?

No, no I did not. Yeah, I don't know a ton about it. We didn't talk about it for a super long time because there was like another group coming in behind us. What do you mean connected by Thunderbolt? Just Thunderbolt to thunderbolt, two different computers, thunderbolt plugged into one, same cable plugged into the other. As like a desktop capture for games?

Video and audio across. So you're like using a computer as a mic. But it is just an entire... It's a streaming PC so that you can like separate your... Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That'd be really nice so it's the same kind of idea before of having a whole capture card and everything but now you just buy a cable oh which is like pretty sick actually that's actually awesome no capture card but need

a whole system yeah but in the previous scenario you also needed a whole system it's not that's not what that's not that has nothing to do with the with the conversation. Yeah and setting that up is really complicated. Yeah Thunderbolt share people are saying Thunderbolt share. Yeah so Thunderbolt share used to as far as my understanding go goes just share video but now it will do audio as well meaning that meaning that you could essentially replace your streaming PC, which is pretty sick, actually. Neat. Yeah. I know having a dedicated streaming PC is a lot less popular these days.

But, yeah. Hit me, Dan. What was my third? Yeah. Can I be like lame and say Constellation? What? Or at least whatever the hell Nvidia was talking about with Constellation.

Does that count as a product? Nvidia Constellation. It's a new thing that they're tacking onto the OmniVoyer platform. Oh, this stuff, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Autonomous vehicle validation platform.

Not even just autonomous vehicle, but I mean, just the kind of video gen, straight out of Omniverse. So you've trained your model in Omniverse and it's done on like, you know, crappy 3D models. And then you would have to retrain it when you put it into the real world. Now you can just create generative video that looks like real-world camera vision right inside of Omniverse and Cosmos. So then you just transplant the digital brain into the

real one and it's pretty much good to go. Kind of spooky. Very cool. All right. Mine is one that I actually brought away with me. Oh my. And, ah, yes, good, here it is. It's not so much that the product category is anything new or honestly, maybe even that exciting to you, okay?

But it's how polished these have gotten oh, yeah, I like want one I'm just like this bide my time no no this is not it. Oh, this is the original ROG ally This is my daily driver. I don't mean that in particular. I mean a handheld but oh sure sure sure, but that's not that's not it Yeah, okay. So yeah, I'd fun fact. I dropped this in the bath I saw works a week ago. Yeah, it's I put it behind my server to dry out and it like a hundred percent survived So yeah, it turned off like immediately. There's absolutely zero ingress protection, so this is...

The real, Nreal? That's from Xreal actually. I don't know why it says Nreal on it. Okay. Okay, so this is their new, what is it? Reality Pro. No way. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I just wanna make sure I get the name right.

Last time we talked about a product similar to this, you and I were both publicly trashing it on video. Okay, so this is the X-Reel One Pro, it looks like. Yeah, this is the one. Yeah, okay. Okay. And I've got like a bombshell to drop because I'm gonna demo these for someone else on Monday.

And it's gonna be pretty cool. Anyway, the point is, super easy to use. Oh, no way. You basically just pop it in here, okay? You fire up a game on your system. Give me a second, I'm just gonna get logged in here. What's impressive about this to me, or what stood out about this to me, or what stood

out about it to me, was how bloody good they've gotten. Because you've you've tried AR glasses slash personal theater glasses slash you know whatever in the past I think. What should I what should I give him to play? Oh maybe a game that he never plays. How about Final Fantasy 6? We could go with that. No here. I'll throw you I'll throw you in tape to tape Yeah Oh, I feel like just for that I should spoil your the person you're gonna talk to you, but I won't You wouldn't Okay, let me get this fired up here

AMD anti-leg you look like you drank too much last night. Yeah, here we go. Okay. Now I'm gonna see this button that I'm pressing on the top here. Okay. Hold on. Is that volume or something?

No, no, no. Okay. Okay, I'm gonna give it to you like this. I'm gonna hand you the controller first. Controller first, Here you go. To be clear, these are not AR glasses. These are more like personal theater glasses. These are a screen that you can just, you know, wear on your face, but that looks like a giant theater screen. I think this one is set to, I want to say like a hundred fifty five inches and

four meters away or something like that right now. Okay? From the front, you can't really see anything from anywhere. No one can see, no one can see anything of what you're watching. So go ahead and put these on and then just like, tell me what you think. Whoa, okay. That's an immediate improvement over ones that I've used in the past. Okay, you haven't even seen the best yet. So here, go ahead,

grab your controller. Whatever they're doing to like float the screen around when you look around feels a lot nicer as well. Okay, so you got your controller and everything? Okay. Yeah, that's nice. I hadn't even darkened the glasses yet. So they've got electro-chromic, whatever. Wow, it's very clear. You're so far from your mic. He has no idea where he even is anymore because he's in his own world.

We have a giant gaming screen in front of him right now. We have the handheld one now. We might even be able to show some video through the glasses. Some video through the glasses? Sorry, what? Oh, no, no, you can't see it, which is pretty cool. No one can see what you're watching. video through the glasses. Some video through the glasses, sorry what? Oh no, no you can't see it, which is pretty cool. No one can see what you're watching.

There's speakers built into the arms on the glasses. This is actually usable. I've tried a few of these in the past that were like, they were trying to sell them as actual products, but in all reality they were tech demos. And this feels like I could understand someone actually buying this for real. If I do this, it'll lock the location of the screen. So you can look around.

Oh, that's actually sick. So it'll kind of like the Apple Vision Pro, it'll freeze it. With that said... Oh, it still comes with you this way. There are challenges. I wasn't able to use it in this mode on the plane because it seems to be gyroscopic. Oh. There's no cameras on it for inside out spatial tracking.

Yeah, yeah. I definitely still have thoughts. There's definitely still progress. Oh yeah. But in terms of the visual quality, even like look into a light. Well, okay. Oh, right. There you go.

Yeah, I mean I can technically see the light, but honestly it doesn't bother me. It's very, very usable, which is pretty cool. It still feels, this like, you know, the previous versions of this felt like tech demos. This now feels like cool but early adopter. It's a real product though. Yes, yeah, yeah.

100%. That's wicked. Yeah, that gets my, that gets kind of my award for finally being a thing that I would show a normie relative or something like that, and say, hey, have you considered this? And you can plug it, so you just plug it into your phone, you plug it into your PC, and it just,

it has no on and off button, it's just powered off of the USB-C port, and you just watch a movie. You just play a game on a giant screen that you just bring with you. It's a- Movie in bed or game in bed with one of those would be actually pretty wicked. Pretty cool. I definitely have some feedback. I don't know if we're going to do a full review.

I hadn't really planned to, but a lot of you guys are like asking questions about it now. So I mean, yeah, maybe it would justify a full review. It's for pre-order now. Never pre-order something without checking out reviews though, blah blah, etc. This is not a review. What it is, is an opportunity for me to tease something that's pretty exciting, but Dan says we've got to do sponsors first, so I'll tell you guys in a sec here. I'll tell you guys in a sec. Yeah, he always blames me. The show is brought to you today by just one sponsor, because our sales team, I guess,

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Okay, no, no, I got it, I got it. Any thoughts on what I can do to catch up? I mean, yeah, yeah, I read the thing. I read the thing. I mean, other than just immersing yourself, I'd say one of the ways that I stay somewhat up to date is talking to and working with people who are younger than me and who have been immersed in things that I haven't. They're so quick to point out what's possible and a more elegant way of solving a problem. But other than that, you just gotta put in the work. Find stuff that you're passionate about.

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screwdriver and bit set. Linus, are you excited about the new Anno game? I love to medieval Total War Rome and looking forward to Pax Romana. What? I did not know that it was announced. June 11th. Anno 117 Pax Romana is the newest city building game. I'll be really interested to see what they do with this era because man, 1800 was such a good era. There was so much you could do with like sea and land and just, I don't know. There's I mean, the Anno team just kills it time after time after time,

so I would never count them out, but I will say that the Taurean era is more interesting to me. I mean, I don't know, Roman era's pretty cool too. It's like I said, they definitely have boats and stuff, like you can still do. You know what game I've put more hours into in the last week than any other?

Lords of the Realm 2 What is that? Exactly. I thought you were gonna say Final Fantasy just don't come in again. No, no, no, I haven't played any Final Fantasy I I picked it up on Steam. Oh, dude. Yeah, this is this is an old game. Steam 10 out of 10 though. It's an old game It's Still really good. It's still really good I was playing it with my son and he was like having fun with it this it's from like 1996 or something. Yeah, it what year is it from?

Nail that yeah, you did man. I'm good. Okay. Anyway, I was 10 when this game came out and it's It's surprisingly Deep and fun still So I I played through a few missions in the campaign and it's hard Like it's hard. It is very unforgiving That's fun you it's it's a combination RTS and turn based like like civilization management It's a combination RTS and turn-based, like civilization management.

I was gonna say this screenshot made me immediately think of Civ 1, which I think is like a similar timeframe. No, Civ 1 was pre 1996. When did Civ 1 come out? 1991. Yeah, okay, yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah, that's like Civ 2 was yeah the map in Civ 2 is pretty rough Civ 2 was when I got into it. I

Think Civ 1 would have been a little rudimentary for me To get into I played all of them really yeah, what's your favorite then? mmm I think Four? Really? Five. Five. Five. Not six, but five. I understand why people like six. I have issues with six. It is what it is. I'm excited about seven. I'll play every single one. It is what it is. Bordaga says, I came out in 1996. Dude, the number of people that walked up to me this year that were like full ass grown adults that were like, I've been watching your videos since I was a kid.

Ah! We are coming up on the five year anniversary of the I'm thinking about retiring stream. Yeah. It's in like a week and a half or something. That was when you had been deep in it so long you were thinking about retiring. How was that five years ago?

When will it have been longer from the I've been thinking about retiring stream than when you filmed that the beginning of the company? Oh wow. Like when will that be the halfway point? Only like a couple more years. Yeah. That'll be crazy. Yeah. No kidding. Okay. Only like a couple more years. Yeah, that'll be crazy. Yeah, no kidding Okay There are a few more a few more I think

Right, so should I finally should I finally tell them? Yeah, leak it let's go. Let's go. Wait, where'd it go? Where'd my tab go? I lost my tab. I will I will get I will get the new tab here we go you know I had a I had a better I had a better version of this tab that was working better for me but I guess it kind of is what it is let's see if this works oh yeah they don't have my my thing here, so I'm just gonna go on like Oh I'm just gonna go on NBC.com. This random website? Yeah, this is a show people might know. Oh weird. Tonight show

Starring, I mean one of the Jimmy's Jimmy something. Yeah, right, right, right, right. Oh the racer youtuber. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Right, right, right, right. Oh, the racer YouTuber. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alone? And, okay, this week, oh yeah, they had some people you might have heard of, you know, Pamela Anderson, you know, whatever else, little baby,

and then on Monday they've got a show coming with... Wait, who's that? Wait, what? Who's that guy? What, what? What's he doing? What, no way. They're gonna, they're gonna,

What the heck? They're gonna, what? They're gonna, this guy's gonna be on Fallon? What? What's that guy? What, what? What's he doing? What, no way. They're gonna, they're gonna. What the heck? They're gonna, what? They're gonna, this guy's gonna be on Fallon? What? What's going on? Are you kidding me? They didn't have a picture of you? Not yet, not yet. There aren't very many on the internet.

But when the picture goes up, it'll be worth it. Oh. Okay, all right, all right. So I will be doing the demo of the X-Real glasses. Are you bringing other stuff? Yeah. I'm bringing a little touch of CES to the studio on the Tonight Show. And this has already been announced.

So I'm not breaking any embargoes or anything here. But you guys may have kind of casually noticed who one of the other guests is. Bad Bunny will be co-hosting the show, so I'll be bringing a touch of CES to both Jimmy Fallon and Bad Bunny, getting them to try out some cool products, check out some cool demos. When we told, because this came together really fast. I basically heard from them and they were like, hey, you're like at CES, right?

I was like, yeah, I'm a little busy, what's up? And they're like, oh, how about this? And so when I started going to brands and saying like, hey, yeah, I know working with us, you like doing that or whatever. But what if there was a whole other level? It was amazing how quickly people started moving to get us what we need to make this

a really cool experience. I think it's going to be super cool. I've got a bunch. This is one of five or six things that I'm gonna be doing. I don't know what'll make it into the final cut, but basically I'm just gonna be like, I asked them, I was like, okay, so how do I do this?

Because I've never done real TV before. Yeah. And they're just like, just do your thing. And I get it, obviously Jimmy's entire job is making everyone look good you know like he so I'm I'm sure he's gonna do his professional thing like there's a reason that these guys Guys like this have been on TV for a bazillion years like Luke and I have encountered this a number of times I think you remember when we had Tom Merritt on the Wednesday

You're gonna say yeah, and Chris Perillo for that matter Well where they just came on and we're like, oh So there's like a whole other tier of like entertainer media personality and this whole youtuber thing is like it's quaint and it's like Relatable but it's not cuz we're the best at this. It's because we're relatable. I guess So I'm not worried. I'm sure he's gonna do a great job of making it seem like I'm doing a great job. But I am still a little out of my element, right? So I'm asking them, I'm like, okay, how do I do this? And they're like, just look, we want someone

who kind of brings the energy to it. And it's the same thing that I always tell people, right? They're like, just have fun and it'll be fun. And I'm like, okay, okay, okay. So it's basically the same thing, same thing, different size of camera. But yeah, the live audience is a little stressful because it's not something I do.

I'm very comfortable performing in front of a glass lens, but it's different and I'm a little rusty. I agree. I'm a little rusty. It is definitely different. So I'm excited. I'm a little rusty. I agree. I'm a little rusty. It is definitely different. So I'm excited. I'm excited. Are you gonna get any media training or anything?

Like, do they prep the guests at all? They gave me a couple basics, but they're like, yeah, pretty much, you know, we scoped you out, like just, yeah. Use your common sense. How do you get tickets to watch this? Oh, shut up. Don't even. Don't even.

Hey, look, I need to request some vacation time approval. Yeah, hey, Tarrant. Hey, Jay. Hey, Jay. I wanna go. How do I go? You really... You really do not need to go for it what day is it on Monday I Told myself I would never fly home from CES and immediately fly back out, and I'm totally doing it

It's sold out no way okay, well if you're not if you don't already have a ticket you're not going Well Luke do I have a surprise for you? but if you don't already have a ticket, you're not going. Dang. Well, Luke, do I have a surprise for you? Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I thought about it, right? Cause like, obviously it's kind of inconvenient.

Yeah. But it's one of those things that was not on my bucket list because it never occurred to me that that would even be a thing. And okay, I don't want. You're part of the group of people that sort of killed old media. Well, okay, don't clip this.

Um, but it's like... But it's still cool, it's genuinely very cool. It kind of makes me like, okay, I don't want this to come across the wrong way, but like part of me,, part of me is like, yeah, this is completely not my world. I can't believe I'm being invited into this world. This is so cool.

And then the other part of me is kind of like, please don't take this the wrong way, but how did this take you so long? You know, where was my invitation five years ago? Anytime you wanted to talk about tech, how was I not on the list at least, you know? Yeah. And I've had a couple instances where like movie productions have reached out and been

like, hey, yeah, we might have like a role for like a, you know, a geek guy or something like that. And would you be interested in doing like a little cameo appearance or something like that? But surprisingly little, like it just seems like such an obvious to the audience that I just, I don't really understand why it hasn't happened more. I've always kind of wondered, like, is it,

is it the Canadian? Like you're not an American? I doubt it. You're not in New York or Cali? Cause the thing is like, I don't even just mean for myself. Like there's, there's lots of other tech creators that are American that are a huge deal or whatever and

They're surprisingly little tag Ryan Reynolds. This is not it's not What about Ryan Reynolds? It's not the point. It's not Yeah, no Okay, sorry. I just Yeah, that's not what we're talking about. Anyway. Yeah. yeah, no, I don't know. I think it's cool. He's Canadian, I know he's Canadian. He lives like an hour away or something. We're talking about a cameo thing of a creator.

We're not talking about an actor. And there have been times when like, you know, like a movie is loaded up with online influencers and stuff like that. But why only then? Like why not leverage the notoriety of these people? Like it just seems kind of obvious to me. But I think part of that is just that,

I don't know, to that world it doesn't seem obvious. I mean, even how this happened, it sounds like it was just kind of random. Like someone on the team like knew, you know, was a viewer. And it's like, okay, yeah. It seems like the kind of thing that, yeah, just cool. Yeah, but I never had any kind of expectation or hope or bucket list.

And so even though it is very inconvenient and was actually a ton of work for the team, I wanna just take a little bit of time to shout out the team, the procurement team. Dylan was running around all over the show floor. Andrew ended up doing an extra few hours of shooting with me to get some footage for a little sizzle of what is CES that maybe they'll use or maybe they won't.

Like, who knows, right? Like, we're all new to this, right? James here in Home Base was coordinating like all kinds of moving parts and has been coordinating with their producers on The Tonight Show. I feel, I really feel bad if there's anyone that I'm kind of forgetting right now.

Oh, the writing team contributed to just like throwing in leads for stuff that we could go follow up with the brand. Because the backup plan, they were like, yeah, we'd love to have you on. We'll just have you on the couch. Just talk about CES. And I was like, okay. You want to be the like animal handler. This is probably my one.

This is probably my one time I'm going to do this, right? Well, let's do it right. Let's do it like we do it. And so I was like, okay, well, what if I could pre-film segments and we could watch them together? Would that be cool? And they're like, oh, yeah, that'd be way better. And I was like, okay, what if we could bring CES to you?

And they're like, whoa! That that'd be way better. And I was like, okay, what if we could bring CES to you? And they're like, whoa! That wasn't what they were really expecting because it was really, really quick turnaround. And so the team really stepped up, filling in docs with Leeds business team, actually did a ton of work to make this happen because a lot of the time they coordinate with the brand.

So even though it's not a paid deal or whatever, it's still coordinating through their contacts, right? Are they off the hook for the one sponsor tonight then? Does that redeem them? Okay. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. All right.

How do you know that it was just three times the length? Like maybe they talked about three products. Maybe. They got to talk about three products. Maybe, maybe. I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm. It's cool. Really nervous, way more nervous than I probably should be.

People keep trying to talk me off the ledge, but I'm just like, but I'm, I'm excited. I'm excited. I think it's going to be really fun. I feel like you'll probably be nervous until you're flowing and then you'll be fine. Well, I sucked on the roast is sort of something that's in the back of my in the back of my brain. Like I was I was trying to convey that it had been kind of exhausting getting like roasted like that the whole time and ended up just sounding like kind of weird and out of breath the whole time. So I think what I need to do is I just need to, you know, just the classic stage performer rules. Yes. Smile lots.

Keep your energy level up. Don't stop talking. I was telling the producer guy because I was like, okay, so like, you know Can you give me any any like tips? He's like, no, don't worry. You're gonna you're gonna be great Just you know, Jimmy's gonna intro you do a little bit of like who the heck are you back and forth and then from there on You know you run the show just don't stop talking and and and and keep it moving and I'm like That didn't take the pressure off at all. So I'm driving this. But apparently, yeah, I just kind of drive it

and his job is to react and make it relatable and be funny and do what he does. And make me look good, right? So it should be good. To be clear, that's the thing you're good at though. Wow. Like that's honestly, you'll probably do better in that scenario than if he was trying to run the show and you had to find the slots to jump in on.

Like, if you just get to run, I think you'll be alright. This engine works better with a lot of gas. It's just, it's one of those things where it's like, realistically, it's not even a bigger audience than I normally talk to. Yeah, to be honest. Whatever. Yeah But it's a completely different audience. This is like my first impression. It's getting smaller every day. Probably millions of people Sorry, Jimmy Don't clip that either

Were you even unmuted for that Okay anyway Audio Gary says no Linus will be there heck. Yeah, all right. Thanks guys. I tried Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Take his or her soul. Honestly, I don't, this might come across, I don't know how this is gonna come across, and I might change my mind later, but my initial gut reaction to that is I'm actually kinda glad.

Yeah. I think that, I think that knowing there were like, potential like, like regular viewers or like super fans in the audience would actually put a lot more pressure on me and in some ways I think I'd be happier knowing that it's just a bunch of like random tonight show viewers in the audience. Like a bunch of a bunch of Bad Bunny fans. Because like I noticed that this particular episode was sold out but like the rest of the week was the other ones were yet That's gonna be bad bunny. That's

Me He's kind of a big deal All right Yeah, yeah everyone's everyone's like yeah, yeah that that's it cuz there it seems like in chat there's the people who have no idea who bad bunny is and then there's the people who are like, yeah, that's it. Because it seems like in chat, there's the people who have no idea who Bad Bunny is, and then there's the people who are like, yeah, that's like, huge. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Okay. Why don't we, what else are we supposed to, what else are we supposed to do today? Dan left and whenever he leaves, I feel completely adrift. It's always at the worst possible time. Yeah. I think we're supposed to do topics. I'm pretty sure we're supposed to do topics. Okay, let's do some topics.

Do you want to talk about AI Max? Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah. So our headline here is why is no one talking about rise in AI Max? Well, I can tell you right now, part of the reason is AMD's phenomenally stupid branding. What is, excuse me, what is Ryzen AI Max and Ryzen AI Max Plus?

Genuinely hate the name. How does that compare to Ryzen 5 and 7 and 9 and Ryzen AI 300 and Ryzen 200? What the fuck is any of this stuff, AMD? And it sucks because this product is sick. That, here, I'm gonna bring up the- You wanna see the specs? I'm gonna bring up the video.

Oh, okay. No, I wanna bring up the- When you wanna see the specs, I have it perfectly lined up. I wanna bring up the actual video here. Okay, LTT here, we're gonna fire this up on float plane, okay, so Asus was showing off their their new Z13 gaming tablet with the Ryzen AI max processor and here we go here we go. So I've got Black myth Wukong running. There we go. Go full screen

This is integrated graphics, okay? On a 14, I forget if it was 1440p or 1600p. I think it's 1600p. Not the easiest game to run either. Don't quote me on that. But, and I was using resolution scaling, so I'm probably running it at about 1080p worth of pixels. On about medium settings

But guys this is integrated graphics This thing is incredible super thin laptop Super thin here. You can actually oh, I'm right right as I put it down here. Hold on go back barely run You can see how it is. That's a tablet. Okay Hold on, go back. It barely runs on like 4090. That's a tablet, okay? This thing is flipping wild. So they had it, it can run at,

I think AMD rates it at anywhere from 45 watts to 120 watts or something like that. So we didn't make a video about this one because I was just there to see the new Lenovo Legion Go S. But in AMD's booth, they had an HP, like thin and light that honestly, was not that much thicker and not that much heavier than my Snapdragon X machine that had that had a Ryzen AI Max in it that was running at I want to say 55 watts instead of the the 80 watts max in that in that like gaming tablet. And like what I was saying earlier on the show,

obviously it doesn't give you the upgradeability of an eGPU solution where you can like slot in a new graphics card down the line, right? Especially if your CPU is kind of still good enough. That's super cool and that's still totally valid, having a thin and light laptop with a good CPU in it, and then using an eGPU when you dock to Get the performance, but if you could have this level of performance all the time at an even somewhat reasonable price

Because AMD has integrated everything onto one package Wow super cool. It's and I I ended up going off on one of my just like Rants that has nothing to do with the people listening to it in the booth because I was like, this is what AMD Fusion was supposed to be. All those years ago, AMD, like I saw this stupid interview where some stupid interviewer asks an AMD executive if like the Apple M4 was an inspiration for this chip.

And I'm sitting here going, AMD had this vision ten years ago Yeah, ten years ago. They talked about fusion ten years ago or twelve or whatever They coined the term APU accelerated processing unit or advanced processing I forget what it stands for but this idea of having a powerful CPU and powerful GPU that are integrated together. And then for 10 years, they sat on their butts and didn't build it. They didn't build it. And so to their credit,

I don't remember who the interviewer was, but there was some validity to the question too, because AMD even said like, yeah, Apple kind of proved the market case for it. But it was like, why did you guys announce it? Why did you announce Fusion, and then never build it if you didn't think there was a market for it? And I already know the answer. The answer is they had no money. They were a walking husk of a company for years and years and

years. But that we're finally seeing it this right here this is the point of the ATI acquisition this is why they acquired a proper graphics company a proper PC graphics company so that they could crush Intel in integrated graphics and potentially invalidate the entire low end of the market for their competitor Nvidia. Because Nvidia isn't gonna sell a single 4060 and I haven't seen the performance of the mobile 5060 so I have no idea.

But if I could buy this, where I don't have to deal with kludgy, oh, what's it called, the Nvidia feature where it switches between the integrated graphics and the dedicated graphics, the power saving thing. Yeah, I don't remember. Help me out here. If I don't have to deal with kludgy switching

between integrated graphics and dedicated graphics, if I could just have it on one ship that can run in a power saving mode. Optimus? Optimus, that's right. Thank you. Thank you for that. I'll just take this.

Even if it costs me, even if it does cost me a little bit of performance. I love it. I think this was the biggest thing. Everyone's talking about like the Radeon 9070 or whatever or like some of the other stuff. I think Ryzen AI Max, horrendous branding aside, is by far, by far the most important product that AMD showed off at CES this year. And that should have been, this should have been like

the star of the show. That HP laptop is sick. This gaming tablet is sick the ability so they've gone unified memory so the ability to just like fire up armor you create allocate a hundred gigabytes of RAM it uses a quad channel memory controller like this thing is sick so you put a hundred gigs of RAM on your GPU and like yes not the most powerful GPU but you could still run a decent size model yeah right it's a pretty extremely slowly but like a very decent And like yes, not the most powerful GPU, but you could still run a decent sized model. Yeah, right

Pretty extremely slowly but like a very decent sized model in this in this That's pretty nuts. I Love it. I love it This was what they promised all those years ago was the CPU and the GPU working together in harmony And all it took was for Apple to prove a market case for it But what are you talking about something Something with decent integrated graphics has been on our minds forever. That was like the whole point. You guys knew it. So I'm just stoked. I'm super stoked. It almost makes up for my disappointment that the Z2 Go is such a dog turd.

So I don't know their new Z2 line of processors for these. The Z2 Extreme is such a dog turd. So I don't know, their new Z2 line of processors for these, the Z2 Extreme looks sick. It's Zen 5, combination of full Zen 5 and the compact, still full, that's complicated, but basically they don't clock as high and stuff. They don't have as much cash, but they're still Zen 5. So Zen 5 and Zen 5 C cores and then RDNA 3.5 graphics. Looks like it's gonna be just killer. I gamed on the Legion Go S2 or Go 2. Legion Go 2 prototype and it's just freaking fast. There's rumors that that is supposed to be effectively the Steam Deck 2. Valve came out and said no.

Oh, nice. So I don't know. We'll see. Because I would like an actual Steam Deck 2. I think that would be cool. Oh, so I don't know. We'll see because I would like an actual steam deck, too Um, I think that would be cool. But anyway, the z2 go wait. No, wait, okay So you're saying no is and they're not making one valve Well, I don't know if they said they're not making one, but they've said that they're not making that right now Anyway, so the the z2 go I was really excited about it because our first deck and briefing from AMD didn't specify what generation the cores were for the CPU or GPU.

So I assumed that it was quad core with, is it 12 CUs? I think it's 12 CUs of RDNA graphics. I was looking at this thing going, this is gonna be an absolute monster. It's gonna be super efficient. Maybe they're like all compact Zen 5. And so it's gonna be this like hyper efficient. This will come after like little,

like Android based emulation devices, but it'll be full x86. This thing's gonna be awesome. And then I found out it's Zen 3 and RDNA 2. So it's like ancient generation technology. So it's not gonna have the efficiency to do that because I wanted it to be current gen. So you could have like a small battery in it too.

Like you could really build really compact PC gaming handhelds. But I'm, yeah, I'm yeah over it but anyway I I expressed my disappointment to them in person I said this is what I want so they were like well we can't comment on future products and I was like yeah yeah it's fine I get it but but this is the thing that I'll be excited about so yeah off you go go go build it go go build the future AMD see you later see you in a bit so who knows if they will but I'd be very excited to see that

Is your GPU specs Oh Yeah, yeah for this thing. No, dude This thing's this thing's wild that top spec with 16 CPU cores and 40 graphics cores honestly, I'd like to see more like a 6 core or an 8 core with the full graphics grunt. I, I'd like to see more like a six core or an eight core with the full graphics grunt. I think the 385 is going to be a really sick middle ground. That thing looks awesome. And even the smaller stuff like the Z2 Extreme with the 16C is, that one looks really good too,

but man, Ryzen AI Max, I'm excited. All right, what else we got for today? I think we talked about ARKB580, right? Did we? I feel like we went over these notes. Yeah, we did. Okay. Big TV Talk, you talked. Yeah, we did. Okay. Big TV Talk, you talked about that, I'm pretty sure.

We talked about that as a part of a merch message or something. Man, I think MicroLED is still where I'd want to end up, but the pricing just doesn't make any sense. And it still doesn't make any sense. I was looking at Samsung's last gen and it's still like $150,000 for like the big one. And I'm just like, okay, you know, when you've got TCL with their with their 115 inch, that is, like 11 or 12 grand in China, US, and like 20 grand over here, 15, actually, I don't know how much it is now. Because we're going through another cycle here

Let me see if I can let me see if I can find this what's this thing worth now seriously, oh No, this is Best Buy Canada $27,000. Okay. So yeah, it's like 20 grand US okay, shut up. I don't care. How do I switch I just Why do you need best by dot ca slash English? Slash dash ca just I don't know whatever it doesn't matter So I'm gonna say Usen I'm gonna guess Nope, all right. Ah

Stop If I remember correctly best way doesn't have the like SafeLink thing that Amazon does. The links aren't identical. Brutal. Yeah, 20 grand. Unavailable nearby, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, so at this price, like what, you're gonna pay almost eight times as much for something bigger? No, you're not gonna do that.

It doesn't make any sense. And micro-LED pricing, like it's's coming down like it was half a million dollars Not that long ago when I was still when we were still doing land show remotely Remember when I was talking about like could I could I make enough content to justify this thing? I? Don't know maybe maybe all Samsung one looks pretty cool Alex actually did the video segment on it It's got this like through glass light guide thing

that makes it so you can't see the seams anymore. I wonder what Nvidia was using for the keynote. Oh, that's like a commercial display. So that's like powered by like a zillion quadros or whatever and as many of the small panels. But the new Samsung consumer ones are big modular panels. So they have way fewer seams to make the installation process easier for their integrators and Also to have less likelihood of like one panel dying or fading or whatever differently

And so I think it's only it's like two or three for a 16 by 9 And then you add like one more and it becomes like a more cinematic aspect ratio. I Don't know. Maybe maybe one of these days. I'll just do like I'll have like a crazy year where I'll just like Spend all the money just just go for it, and I'll just I'll just say you know what fuck the haters Niveira, and we'll just do crazy projects wall-to-wall. We'll do the tech yacht. We'll do the tech Yeah Projects wall the wall. We'll do the tech yacht. We'll do the tech. Yeah What do you think a tech hotel no tech hotel you do it I can't afford a tech hotel But you do a tech

Bed and breakfast, I think I could do it. I think I could do a tech yacht here. Check this out. Check this out. Oh, what the heck? Why does Facebook sign me out constantly these days? I don't get it. Like, constantly. Like, every other time I touch it, it's signed out. Doesn't like you. I don't blame it. I mean, I'm not that into it either. But Marketplace is pretty sick.

Okay. Here you go. Facebook Marketplace. Yacht. Yacht shopping. Okay, hear me out. Tech yacht. Okay, got that hot tub. Oh my god. Got that integrated barbecue. Okay, hold on. 1993. 1993, baby. 93 is a good year. It was a good year. Was it? It was a good year. How much maintenance is this thing going to need? I don't know, man.

I don't know, but hear me out. Tech Yacht. This seems like something that Dan, for some reason, would know too much about. Yeah, I did. Yeah. For many, many, many years. Of course you do. How much are we looking at for maintenance on a boat from 1983?

Yeah, Dan, tell us about... Okay, land. Land right here. Okay? Yacht to land. Yacht to land. Get the dining room. Set that up for yacht to land. How much crewing do you need for something? Well, technically, how long is that one? 123 feet? 123 feet, baby. I believe for that length you need a proper captain's license, and now every time you want to take it anywhere you need to get a captain's license.

Morage for that a year probably would be in the high five figures, if not six figures. Every single year you have to take it out of the marina and then recondition the base of it. I believe the ablative paint is like a hundred dollars a gallon and it's 123 feet and you got to throw it on pretty thick so that has to be done every single year. Everything's saltwater so you have to be constantly replacing the sacrificial anodes around the legs and stuff like that. There's three tiers. There's automotive, there's marine and then there's aerospace. So a

part that's a dollar for automotive, you add a zero, and then if you want aerospace, you add another zero. The salt water constantly attacks almost everything. So what you're saying is that, and I had already figured this out without even knowing anything about it, the price for this is so far off of like anything else in this size class

because as far as I can tell, the reason that this is so cheap, and I say cheap in quotation marks because it's still over two million US dollars. 130 feet. But the reason it's so cheap is because Cost of ownership. It's way too big for anyone who can afford...

Okay, it's too old and it's too much to spend on maintenance. Anyone who can afford to maintain it could afford something new. That's what I'm trying to say. Like, the maintenance cost must make actually no sense whatsoever on a boat from 1993. How many times do you think you'd even use it? Well, I wouldn't use it at all. But what we would do. It rots even if you just don't use it.

That's the thing is the maintenance is always. So God help you if the stringers are gone. So hear me out. Hear me out. We sublet it to a charter company. So first we do content. We bring it up, we dry dock it. Okay?

I have people that you should talk to if you are actually considering this. Well, I'm not sure if I'm considering it, but what I'm definitely doing is talking about it on the WAN show. We never know what will happen if we talk about it on the WAN show. So what I'm proposing though, what I'm proposing is we buy it, we dry dock it, we tech it the fuck out. Like we turn it into the ultimate, just like gamer bro, hangout space. The dry dock is also super expensive.

Oh, I'm sure it is Dan. I'm sure it is. Oh, it's terrible. But we, we milk it. We milk this thing for content. We got it up on the stilts, we're going like this. Mm, mm, mm, we are milking it. We get sponsors in for all the hardware that we put into it. We put a bunch of home automation crap and stuff in it.

We put a whole bunch of, well yeah, because everything should just be automatic. You should walk in the room and it should be like. You can of well yeah cuz everything should just be automatic you should like walk in the Room and it should be like you can't even get the home automation your house work But that's gonna get home automation in a boat. That's just cuz I don't do it though like it's I could I could do it at this point I could replace all the light switches with something else and spend like Probably two or three weekends programming it, but I just don't feel like it I get this sponsored by a yacht manufacturer like Bayliner's there's no way they would care. They don't know who we are

I'm not even I wouldn't even bother calling them, but so we dry dock it. And they might. We milk it You don't know. We milk it for content. You call them Jimmy Fallon. So we do. It's true. So we do like We do like 10 to 20 videos I mean look how many videos we made about techifying my house and This honestly is like kind of cooler in some ways, cause we'd be solving some pretty interesting problems. So then we, we do like a maiden voyage, okay. Where we do like, like the world's floatiest land party or whatever, you know,

you can finally do low lander and then, and then we, well, we don't want to go that deep. We want to stay on the surface of the water. That would be zero, right? Yeah, sure. And then, yeah, so we just sublet it. There's companies that manage charters for your boat, or whatever, and then we let people book gamer boat charters. So they go around, they pad a boat or whatever,

and they game and they drink some alcohol. They do what people do when they, you know, charter a boat. Dude, dude, actual whale land where we see actual whales. Are you, uh, are you planning to do the land party like out in the middle of the ocean or something like that? Why not? Cause like I believe that the fuel for a generator to run a boat like this is roughly $40,000 to $60,000 a day. Yeah, I know.

But that's the problem with the people who rent it. Well, think about the water cooling. Like you could do water cooling. Ocean cooled land party? Mm-hmm. Whale whale land? Yeah. Whoever loses has to like jump off the boat and swim around at once and then climb back on before they play again.

Richie's plank experience in VR, but actually with a plank. Techyacht. Oh, no. Uh-huh. Techieached. I already asked Yvonne to book a time for us to go see it. My god. I'm still not sure how serious I am though, Dan. I just want to see it.

Okay, I'm going to... I'll get you some numbers to call. I'm not that serious yet. No, no, no. Just as like an explored, it'd be a fun conversation. I'm just going to go see it first. And then and then I will I will I will see how serious I actually am. Dan was a guy for

everything. J Fife. That's why I was like, yeah, no, no, no, this is a team of people. I will put you in touch with a team of people. I'm not that serious yet. I think it'd be a fun thing. I also have my eye on a plane.

I do not have a person for those. I do actually. Yeah that oh actually. Together we can get somewhere. You actually you have someone on staff that can fly planes. No I have a plane guy. No you can have the plane guy. I've got the bush plane guy. I've got the pilot guy bush plane guy. Oh

They're like sick like actually no. I have a plane guy nice. He used to build them behind her house I'm gonna buy you a float plane Joe Joe can fly it Legitimately, that's sick. That's so cool. So, um... That one would be also techifying, but is really challenging because... What if you did a helicopter and then you could land your helicopter on your yacht?

You can't put any, like, tech in it. But you could land your helicopter on your yacht. Yeah, but there'd be no tech in it. I need content, otherwise I'm not spending any money on anything. So... If you get a big enough helicopter... No, no, you did the tech van. A backseat gaming station? No, but helicopter, spending any money on anything. So if you get a big enough, no, no, you did the tech van Do the tech help station? No, but helicopter They can't lift anything like as soon as you put like a TV in it you take away like half a passenger worth of

Capacity like you can't there's definitely helicopters. I can lift things decommissioned military helicopter. Sure What are they swakorskis? You can buy my box. You can straight up buy black. I'm not- What are they, Swakorskis? But I'm not buying that. You can buy Blackhawks. You can straight up buy Blackhawks. Blackhawks? Okay, unlike both of you, I'm having a serious conversation here, so- I'm gonna buy a $2.5 million, 130-foot yacht. I'm having a serious conversation about the yacht. It's not gonna be that much expensive. I don't know, the price of paint.

People will just charter it. We're in some of the worst economic times in history. People will just charter my gaming yacht for $120,000 a day. It'll be fine. The rich are doing000 a day. It'll be fine. The reach are doing great, Luke. It'll be fine. Yeah, they are.

Yeah, that's true. That's true, actually. All right. Although they're not shopping at Tiffany's, so. Okay, so back to the jet. The issue with the jet is we're looking at an order of magnitude greater price. If we wanna-

Wait, an actual jet, you're not a prop plane. Yeah. Holy crap. Yeah, holy crap Yeah, yeah, yeah So so so so by the well if you're looking at a prop plane You're not gonna have the kind of seating capacity and the kind of lift capacity that you'd Okay, and I'm not talking about some freaking flying fortress or whatever like obviously yeah it would but that's not a thing you can buy like I'm talking if you pick up like a

How many like a used off stream or something? Yeah So something with like I'm talking something with like a dozen seats or something like that Like you can get prop planes and they're cheaper, but they're they're like slow so anyway the challenge with the really small Affordable private jets is their lift capacity, like their passenger and cargo capacity is like super low. So if you want to get into something that you would actually be able to like refurnish

the inside with anything that is not made of carbon fiber, you know, like if we were to put a bunch of TVs in it or something. So there's no prop planes that can fit people in them. No, I didn't say that. I said that the amount that they can lift is not that much. This fits 50 people. I'm pretty sure it can lift a decent amount of stuff. Okay, yeah, but that's gonna be like an $80 million jet.

Like I'm talking stuff that's in the five to 15 million. You just want like a 10 person Gulf Stream with extra luggage capacity. That's a gigantic plane, Luke. Yeah, that's a plane plane. There's like a billion of them. This is not one thing. One of the ones in the middle.

Okay, Luke, I'm trying to tell you right now, in the small private plane space, the amount of cargo and people that they can lift is very limited. Yeah. Okay, so in order to get to something that you could actually put a bunch of tech into without it adversely affecting how many people you can carry,

it's not gonna be like five million. It's gonna be like 15, which is a lot. And once again, once again, the plan would be, the plan would be like, tech it out, and then there's services that like, as far as I can tell, almost nobody who owns a private jet, like just just owns it. Some people would, oh yeah. There's your supreme billionaire billionaires. You have like clubs. Who fly all the time, but then a lot of them are fractional ownership or people

who are just chartering them. Yeah, a lot of play, even like hobby planes, a lot of them are like that. And people who own them 100%, a lot of the time, they will make them available to these charter companies so that they're actually like- Being used and stuff. Getting some of the time they will make them available to these charter companies so that they're actually like- Being used and stuff. Getting some of the money back in that can be used

to cover maintenance costs. Yeah. I feel like there's some, cause there's old stories of like NFL players playing Starcraft on planes between games and stuff. Oh yeah. Like if you had an actual like six set up, I don't know, would you do computers though?

I don't know, like that's, but that's part of what would be really fun about a project like this is- Trying to figure out like how to do it right? Yeah, figuring out what would actually be like the sickest. I don't know- Setup. Rich people brains, but I feel like a gaming plane,

you might actually get charted out more often than a gaming yacht. Especially if your gaming yacht is based in Vancouver. Yeah. I think if your gaming yacht was based somewhere else, like I have no idea what a coastal South Korean city would be, but something like that, somewhere with a huge gamer culture. Or if you moved it around from time to time or something So it was like in the city for a few months, so it doesn't get stale. It's like yeah

whale whale yachts land is coming to you know, Japan and It's gonna be in these cities at these times you can rent it out and you can take it out and experience it or whatever I could see that people would fly into Vancouver to take it to the Islands or you know, you can even go all the way up to Prince Rupert. So it ends up being like a cruise ship kind of situation. And the thing about a 123 foot boat is that you don't pay $60,000 individually.

No, it's group view. You and 50 of your friends take it up. Oh, easy. Dude, did you see that thing? Have you been on one of those? It's like they sleep like 10 maybe. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. You're not sleeping on it.

You just like, let's like that one that we rented for a paint night. Remember when we did that paint night event? Were you not at it? Oh, you weren't with the company yet. Okay, well whatever. We chartered a boat for like a paint night. Yeah, I guess probably during the separation time.

So I've never even heard of this. I'm thinking like couples who would charter this, yeah. Easy 40, 50 people on it. Fit on it. I don't think it was this size. For like an outing. We were just talking, taking it to the Gulf Islands. Oh, when I'm talking taking it around to places,

I'm not talking you charter it and you like go. I'm talking like we bring it there and it's like, yeah, it's here for a month, book through this company that's based there. Understood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, exactly. So you don't like, so it doesn't just get stale.

Like it's not just sitting in this one marina all the time, hoping there's enough local people that are gonna use it all the time. Like you like take it around to different port cities in the world and people can like charter it out from that. I have no idea what the logistics would be of something like that. It's just one of those like dream big,

never follow through on it kinds of things, right? I'd be actually excited for the first exterior paint job. Not because I love spending money, but because like, I think this in like, you know, black with a bunch of RGB would look pretty good. Is there any regulations? Does it?

No, you can. It's just a razor boat. You can like paint it however you want, but normally it's done in gel coat just because of the, you know, I don't know, it's like complicated. It's very, very, very complicated. Oh dude, green and pink, Lambo style. What would you call it?

You have to name it. If it already has a name, it can be quite difficult. The Yvonne. My muse. No, I would call it something else. I don't know what I'd call it. I don't know. Linus Tugtips.

Terrible. The write-off, the write-off's not bad. Linus T tips You the right off the right off We'd have to call it Bodhi McBoat face though. Yeah, that's right That's already a call sign. You can't did they actually follow through on that? Oh, yeah, I thought they did. Oh, okay. It's legally called that now. All right. Well, we'd come up with something We'd come up with I think they're really really difficult to actually get it changed. I can't remember Oh really so it'll be called whatever it's called sovereign lady is apparently what it's called now Yeah, so you you can go through a new registration process, but it's pretty difficult. I Don't know this the literal first prop plane. I googled seems to make a lot of sense. Just saying when you got oh

Whoops wrong screen. This is the same one. I brought up before carrying capacity 12,500 pounds. Dash 8's pretty popular, yeah. 3.7 million, I think it was said. Sorry, what's the range of this thing, though? That might be a problem. So I was only- Where are you trying to fly to?

I was only looking at stuff that could go- 900 miles. That can do, sorry, 900 miles? 900. Oh, that's like nothing. That's a yikes. That's an AI thing, though, so maybe- Okay, I was only looking at stuff

that could cross the Atlantic. Cross the Atlantic? Yeah. Okay, yeah, that's a yikes. That's an AI thing though, so maybe. I was only looking at stuff that could cross the Atlantic. Cross the Atlantic? Yeah. Okay, yeah, that's extremely limiting. I thought you were staying North America. Because the whole thing is like, I would want this to be something that people would actually go somewhere in.

Like it's not a cargo vehicle. Cross the Atlantic dramatically limits your options. Okay, so hopefully that makes it more clear. That makes, I was kind of thinking you were a little nuts. It makes a little more sense. Yeah, no, I'm not an idiot. I was like, what are you talking about? Okay.

Yeah. Okay. And across the Pacific would be ideal. I found- That also explains the price range you were talking about a lot more. I found one plane that seemed like kind of a balance. It was, but like this yacht, it was older. And so I'm sure there's a reason,

and it's that anyone that can afford a private plane can afford something better than anyone who can afford the maintenance of this plane, can afford a better plane than this. But then, you know, the value add we would bring is making it like a sick plane for gaming. Because everyone, anyone can watch a movie on the plane. But can you like, game on a giant, you know,

I don't know, curved projection screen that lowers down. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what you come up with. You got a couple of pontoons and you would go and like float them out in the bay. Are you talking about the plane or the boat? Okay, yeah, okay. That makes more sense. I mean, not much more, but yes, some. Are you talking about the plane or the boat? The boat. Okay, yeah, okay.

That makes more sense. I mean, not much more, but yes, some. Check out the Jet Business channel on YouTube. 1999, 737 for as little as 4.5 million. Oh, God. I can't even imagine the maintenance on something like that. Yeah, 737. The fuel efficiency is probably an issue at that point. The cost to fly it is wild, dude.

Absolutely wild. Okay, apparently this channel does like tours of planes that are for sale. What I've learned after selling private jets to billionaires for 40 years. What a fascinating channel. I love this guy. What a fascinating channel.

He's so suave. You have to be, this guy. I love this guy. What a fascinating channel. He's so suave. You have to be, I guess. Look at this, this is great. How to sell a $55 million private jet and sitting in his office. I love it. I love it. A day in my life.

Look at this, 11 million views. This guy does look like someone who spent his life selling $55 million private jet. He really does, doesn't he? Yeah. Love it. Man you'd meet some you'd meet some characters. I'm sure. Working in an industry like that dude. You'd meet some characters. Okay so

a Gulfstream G550. I think that was one of the models I was kind of looking at. Gulfstream's the go-to. There was another one that was like a more sensible, less brand name one that also made sense. I can't remember. I can't remember which one it was. Is it normal that these like smaller, more private planes would be slower?

Is that normal? Seem expected. Not that much slower. Lear jets? The jets are pretty, jets are pretty jetty. Not that much slower the air jets are pretty jets are pretty jetty Anyway, this is not this is not a real yes it is. Yeah, this is not a real conversation. Oh, yeah, there were some I think there was a global 5,000 that was priced pretty well

Annual budget for flying a Gulfstream g5 50 can range between 1.7 million and 2.6 million per year. Just costs. Yeah, well that's not just- On top of buying it. Yeah, cause you gotta pay, I was reading an article from an interview with someone who was basically like- It's 200 grand a month. If you can't afford-

Hold on, I want more math. If you can't afford two private jets, you can't afford a private jet, because want more math. If you can't afford two private jets, you can't afford a private jet because one of them is always down for maintenance anyway. Oh, right. And I was like, Woo! When you're chartering it, that's-

Yeah. That's a completely different story. Yeah, yeah. It's just only available when it's not in maintenance. Maybe it wasn't a Global 5000. Hold on. It was a Global something. Whatever the entry-level global is It costs $300 an hour to own a private jet. Just to own it. So that's 24-7. Dude.

24-7. 2.6 million is 300 bucks an hour. Yeah, and the fuel burn per hour is like Crazy. Oh, I'm sure. Like you go down to LA, you spent like 20 grand or something like that. I forget what the exact numbers were. Do not quote me on that, but it's like unbelievable. Like colossal, colossal amounts of money. This is on your ever closer progression to getting towards Taylor Swift.

So this is why. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Boats are for court people. My thighs are almost as thick as hers. We're getting there. We're getting there. Yeah. We're getting there. We're at progress. Yeah progress We'll make it. Oh A blimp blimp could be good

Blimp would be hidden land. Don't they have like what could go wrong serious? Cargo issues. Yeah, they can barely take like a person. Yeah, they were better when you could put hydrogen in them. I'll tell you that Those things were amazing Just unlimited cargo capacity Yikes So I think that I think that you know, the yacht is probably a better place to start than the plane You know, this seems nice. I think we could host a pretty good land in here. But I'm looking like long-term business.

I think they're both stupid, honestly. Well, people have plane chartering services that are quite successful. People have boat chartering services that are quite successful. For yachts, is that a thing? I have no idea. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, but yeah. Yeah, 100%. For a day just going out into the bay and then back though. Is that a thing? Oh yeah. Yeah, especially that. Just hosting a party. Especially that.

Yeah, people have parties on boats. It's a thing. Also taking- I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat. Take a good hard look at the- Taking people places. So there's a guy that, you know, he does charities.

He does fishing trips up to very up north. Yeah. If you could game on your way. If you're a billionaire and your son is a little dingus and you want to go on a fishing trip, but you know your son isn't going to care about fishing, but he can play... Can bring all his friends. Cod and yell at his friends and you can fish with your buddies. You hire a captain, you hire maintenance. And with the newest Starlink systems...

Yeah, they'll play just fine. Dude, you could like really like game on this thing like I don't know, it might not be that dumb. Do you think either of these, do you think the business case could make it pay for itself? I think. Ignore the initial investment. I honestly just mean the maintenance cost. So I ignore the price up front and ignore the price to renovate. I just mean keeping it. I have no idea. The reality of it is that we could make our best guess. We could talk to Dan's people and we could try and come up with something. But we probably would run into unexpected because we're buying in in any, like I have used yacht money. I don't have new yacht money.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like- You don't buy a new yacht. We're gonna be running into unexpected challenges. Right, maintenance issues, unknown problems. Yeah. Whole- Hitting something in the water and losing a prop.

Five grand, dent it, five grand, 10 grand. I was expecting way more than that. I don't know, I mean, it's just a hunk of metal, you know? Still. So on the one hand. But it's just a custom specialized, not common hunk of metal. Yeah.

That has to survive underwater. Maybe we could 3D print a new one. Yeah. Oh man. I'm talking about like the dent. Okay tell you what Dan. Yeah. Why don't you make the call? That makes more sense. Why don't you make the call? Oh my. It decides between plane and boat? Do we call them? They can be here in 35 minutes. Do we proceed? Do we proceed with Linus Tech Yacht? That yacht in particular I'm not entirely sure. This is the only one similar that I found locally anyway. I'll tell you that much. I'm sure that around the world there's lots of other options.

Yeah, you can get them in boarded if you want. But what I can also tell you is that I would be most inclined for something that is aging and affordable that we could like basically gut. Cause we'd be pretty much gutting it from like an interior standpoint. That is a lot better to do. Yeah, right. So you want like, if you gut it,

you can see exactly what the hell's wrong with it. Whereas this one was redone in 2022. So I'd feel kind of bad. Yeah, but it's- Like clearly some stuff they didn't, but you can tell some stuff they actually did do quite recently. Like that last bathroom does not look redone.

This kitchen looks like it might've been redone fairly recently. Excuse me, Gally? Sorry, yes, Gally. This bathroom looks like it- Excuse me, Head? Putting you away. This bathroom looks like it was done very recently.

This bedroom also looks like it was done recently. So it's like, I'd feel kind of bad ripping some of that stuff out. Yeah, good hull, good engine, the rest. Someone asks, did you really send them a message? They specifically said in the description would be ignored. No, the reason everyone sends, is this still available,

is because it auto-populates you guys. I don't understand why people get mad about it. Cause I've had so much stuff. See look, hi, is this still available? I've had so much stuff that I've messaged people about asking some other question. They're like, yeah, it's not available or it's pending to someone.

Like people do not update their stuff. Don't get mad at me for asking if your stuff's up to date. Get mad at other sellers for not having their stuff up to date. Like, what do you, don't, I don't know, dude. The customer is always right within reason. And I think asking if something is available,

I walk into a retail fucking store and I ask if something's in stock. The customer is always right in matters of taste. Well, whatever. I think that it is in perfectly good taste to ask someone if something is available right now. Sure. Because you gotta start the conversation somehow.

It's like I walk up to someone on the street, I'll be like, you know, hi, how's it going? Do you have time to talk right now? I'm not like, hi, what size is that hoodie you're wearing? Like, I don't know. I think a lot of people would do that. I'm not saying that's the right thing, but. I think it's fine.

I do deliver for free. Yes, you can make like. Hey, I see you put this thing up for free for $0, but could you deliver it too? Thank you. Okay, I want a pinball thing up for free for zero dollars, but could you uh, could you deliver it too? Thank you Okay, I want a pinball machine speaking of just sort of wow. You're really on a tear right now. I know I know Um, I want a pinball machine, but unfortunately, I don't know nearly enough about this stuff. I want it for smash champs I'm moving super checks there

And we've got a pool table and there's like a lounge. We're gonna have- Do you think the pinball machine sound is gonna be distracting? No, should be fine. Okay. Yeah, it's gonna be like up on the second level. Like you put it in the lounge thing? Yeah, up on the lounge. How much does sound bleed from up there? Should be fine.

Nice. Yeah, cause Badminton's loud, like it's fine. And the place is like sound treated, so you're gonna have some absorption there. I'm not worried about it. Okay, cool. Anyway, the point is I want a pinball machine, but dude, this rabbit hole is freaking crazy nuts so maybe not today

but one of these days I'm gonna get your guys help I don't need to buy the most collector's edition thing I just want something that's really fun to play dad you definitely know too much about this as well I'm assuming yes just fixing them oh yeah of course so I want you guys to help me pick something because like someone could say someone could say like, oh yeah, you know, this is this is a super

rare collector's item thing. And I wouldn't know the difference. Yeah, that part doesn't Facebook marketplace has the weirdest stuff. It's apparently built from scratch to a 1.75th scale. Look at these drawings. They want 35 grand in Kamloops.

I think it may actually have $35,000 worth of work in it. But I can't- Worth of Nazi logo right on it? Imagine who is going to buy a 1.75th scale Bismarck anyway. You get that for your land boat. Yeah for sure. Very cool swastika. Dude my Facebook marketplace is freaking unhinged because I go out of my way to click on weird stuff. I had one of these when I was a kid. Dude that's crazy. I had this exact super soaker. This may be the one that I use to spray the cop

Wow, that's so cool Anyway, so yeah, I need you guys to help me I need you guys to help me find a pinball machine at some point, but I'm not in a huge hurry but I just I want something that's like New enough and like lots of you know stuff like fun enough But it doesn't have to be like, you know, like the, the one, it doesn't have to have like a super low number of plays. It's gonna get played to crap because we probably won't even have a coin slot on it.

Like you'll just walk up and play it. So something that can kind of get, get beat up without it, you know, ruining an important piece of pinball machine history or whatever. People are trying to say that's the, the Chinese symbol, not the swastika, but the Bismarck is a German Oh, yeah, a hundred percent Nazi German ship like that's a swastika. Don't even guys stop Oh my god, actually stop now before you embarrass yourself Are we switching to after dark have we done all of our topics if if you buy the boat

Yeah, okay. Apparently we're not done with this yet. Not quite if you buy the boat and it like works out You buy the plane. Oh, yeah So it becomes like Like luxury gaming chartering services. Well, the plane is actually phase three phase one should really be a Airbnb like a like an RV or something. Like that, that would be so yeah, you, you take your game or RV. That one would kind of have to stay here. I think.

Um, yeah, yes and no. Like I think it, I think it makes way more sense here because RVing on the West coast is huge. So we wouldn't have to take it anywhere else. You could maybe go over the border a little bit. Like it go down to Oregon. Yeah, down to Washington, Oregon. Yeah, exactly.

Like I could see that totally being a thing. But like a trip over the Rockies and that thing is gonna kinda suck. Why? Maintenance stuff, dealing with, like moving at really long distances is very expensive. Should be okay. I mean, it's an RV, right?

Like it's, you know. No, it's really expensive. Really? They break down constantly. Maintenance is a nightmare. Oh, shows should be okay. I mean, it's an RV, right? Like it's, you know. No, it's really expensive. Really? They break down constantly. Maintenance is a nightmare. Oh, shows you what I know. Party, get you to a bus. Well, I mean, that could just be like the few people

that I know in their experiences. Yeah, bus. Bus would be pretty cool. But yeah, it would be, so the phases that I have discussed with Taryn, so this is at least, you know, somewhat. Oh, wow, this is moving. Somewhat talked about. The phases that I have discussed with Taryn. So this is at least, you know, somewhat talked about. The phases that I've discussed.

Imagine having Taryn's job, dude. Oh yeah, managing me. It's gotta be nuts. Taryn, can I buy a boat? No, I'm not gonna. Buy a plane. Buy a plane, an RV maybe, thank you. Thank you.

It's what I said when we first hired him, right? Like who has a better chance to manage me than someone who's done it successfully once before? You know, that's the only way he stands at any chance. We know this. So yeah, the way I pitched it was like we could escalate in terms of the upfront investments and see if there's actually any appetite to charter a gamer yeah you know X but you're starting with a yacht

you're not starting with the RV starting with no no starting with oh you're starting with the RV yeah yeah the plane would be phase three I mean I could see us jumping straight to boat because I think the boats way cooler I think it's a better market with a boat so So it's hotel phase four? Chain of hotels. If your RV works, your boat works, and your plane works. So I don't know if we've talked about this on WAN Show. Who's to stop you now?

Did we talk about the PayPalis on WAN Show? They all take you straight to Linus Cult. Loud as Linus Town. We legitimately explored buying this hotel when it was for sale last year, two years ago. Whenever it was for sale, we legitimately looked into it. It was going to cost, I think, $30 million or something like that to reno. So we would have had to move the company here.

In order to justify it and we couldn't get buy-in from the city Slash we couldn't like okay It was pretty cool. It was like a hundred sixty thousand square feet or something like that massive huge So the idea was that we would we would do it kind of like Universal Studios where it's like partially actually working offices and studios for our company, and then partially gamer hotel. It was a cool idea, cool dream, didn't have the money then, don't have the money now.

We would have to be operating on like a completely different scale, or we would have to take outside investment, which honestly, I think I'm at the stage in my life where I just don't ever wanna do it. Don't need to, we're past it, screw it. Also, that place had a lot of potential sketchiness. No.

Because it was mid-Reno. No, it was okay. Well, no, I can explain it. What happened is the multiple people who had tried to bring it back just ran out of money. And as long as we didn't run out of money, then we'd be fine. But what we told the city was, well, in order for us to not run out of money, we would have to liquidate all of our existing real estate assets, put them into the acquisition and renovation costs of this thing, which means

we'd need somewhere to operate. So, we'd have to do part of it, get a temporary use permit to operate out of part of it. Pete I didn't want that. Jared And then do the rest of it. And the way the city is like you to do part of it, get a temporary use permit to operate out of part of it and then do the rest of it. And the way the cities like you to do these things, and I understand why, I get it, but the way they like you to do these things is they like you to finish the whole thing and then be move-in ready from like a safety and liability and all those other things standpoint. I understand it, but it just wasn't the economics were not going to work for us.

Yeah. It would have been pretty cool though. It was pretty sick. It would have been pretty cool though. It was pretty sick. It would have been pretty cool. It was pretty sick. And there was a lot of stuff that like, if I remember correctly, the parking could have legitimately been separated.

Yeah, yeah, because there was underground and surface. So the underground could have been staff and could have gone straight into the back elevator for safety and security. And then the surface parking could have been for guests. Like it was actually like, could have worked. Separating the upstairs was actually like a reasonable thing as guests. Like it was actually like, could have worked. Separating the upstairs was actually like a reasonable thing as well.

Like it was, it was, yeah. There was a, like a genuinely good spot to do things like, the production stuff, way and show, all those types of things. Like it was, it was all right. It's just no wonder it sat vacant this whole time. Yeah. If someone needs the money to do the entire thing

all in one shot, it's so much fun. Someone's working on it now. Oh really? Yeah I drove past it today because I got detoured. There was a road closure. Hopefully they'll be more successful than the rest. Yeah I hope so too. Would have been pretty cool though. I would have totally wanted to paint it pink again. This is white now. It's called the pink palace. Come on man. Get it together. it's gotta be pink it's gotta be pink it's gotta be pink all right what else what else we got is there anything else we're supposed to talk about handheld wars heating up um I don't really think I need to talk about that yeah there's the new Lenovo devices I think the big

one is that valve is is gonna be working with Lenovo to ship a Steam OS Legion Go S. Yeah, that's super cool. Very exciting. Meta has ditched third-party fact-checking. CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced a major shift in Meta's approach to moderation, saying the company will suspend its fact-checking program in favor of a Twitter-style community notes model on Facebook, Instagram, and Thread starting in the US.

He explains that the existing moderation systems have resulted in too many mistakes and too much censorship. Their new Chief Global Affairs Officer, Joe Kaplan, explained in a blog post that just like they do on Twitter, Community Notes will require agreement between people with a range of perspectives to help prevent biased ratings. Yeah, Community Notes is working really great over on Twitter, so that's cool. Zuckerberg said, it was time to get back to our roots

and focus on reducing mistakes to simplify their policies and restore free expression on their platforms. Meta also plans to make certain content warning labels less prominent and repurpose automated filters to focus on illegal and high severity violations, including terrorism, child sexual exploitation, drugs, fraud, and scams. For other less severe types of policy violations, Meta will rely more on users making manual reports, but the bar for removing content will be much higher. Yes, because Meta

was already a paragon of high quality not of high quality factual content and so leaving that to the users is going to work so well. Cool. Good job Facebook. I mean Meta. Finally, we missed this in our coverage of the Amazon TV recently. So fortunately we weren't recommending buying it. So it doesn't really change our conclusion.

But we did not notice because we used Plex for our media playback that the Amazon TV can automatically unmute itself during commercials to make sure that the user hears the commercials. I'm not sure that this is a hundred percent legit I think the yeah it goes into it down here. Oh however I'm doubtful that this isn't just a bug as I was able to find lots of forum posts about people who had issues with fire TV devices that unmute themselves. Oh in some situations okay so maybe it's fine. It just seems like it

just unmeets itself. Discussion question. Do you remember the 2009 Sony patent where users had to shout the name of a featured brand to end an ad? Or the meta patent for eye and face tracking to make sure you're watching an ad? How far do you think companies will actually go to get us to watch commercials and will it work?

I think they will go as far as they need to go to make it so that there's a value to their advertising partners. so that there's a value to their advertising partners and that's it. Because the more we ignore something, the more they escalate. Because at the end of the day, what pays for all this stuff is advertising and nobody pays for advertising that nobody's watching. That's just math.

Pays for all what stuff though? The content. What content? Well, any content. That's just math. Pays for all what stuff though? The content. What content? Well, any content. You bought the TV. Oh, sorry, I'm just talking in general. Okay. Yeah, I'm just talking about advertising in general.

Not specifically like a TV itself that would do that. Ads being served by companies that sold you hardware is just ****. No, no, no. Yeah, I'm talking about, I'm just talking about the advertising giants, the Googles, the meds, the, of the world. Basically, how far will they go? They'll go as far until you actually watch it. That's it.

And nothing other than as far as until enough people consume it, that it's economical to run their platforms, will not be viable, so they will keep pushing the envelope until it is viable. That's all there is to it. You can argue about it, you can be mad about it, you can kind of do whatever, but math is math. And if they can't run the platform profitably, then they will either ratchet it up until they can, or they will shut it down. Those are the only two outcomes. Or just keep looting. There's one thing Sammy wants us to do, which is a float plane walkthrough of...

Ooh, the new beta site! No, something else? OK. That was not it. There is a new beta site, though. How did you even know about that? I saw people talking about it. Oh, wow. Found out that nobody mentioned it to me.

New beta layout, let's go! Yeah there's different behaviors and stuff now too. That's actually kind of the main thing. Let's go. Yeah he wants us to watch that one with me. Watch the whole thing? It's 24 minutes long. No he wants to go to one minute and 20 seconds. Oh okay. There's a few different time stamps. Do you want audio? Yeah I probably should have prepped. Oh, okay. There's a few different timestamps. Do you want audio? Yeah, I probably should have prepped Linus I'm ready or laptops. Oh Wait, hold on. I Might have another I might have another tab open that's not playing audio. Are you sure? Yep. Oh cool

Good job. I should work. If you notice the sidebar is completely gone now. Hmm. Oh yeah. Do you think we can try it? No I can't. My right shoulder effectively doesn't work. You can bat can't you? Okay so now jump to 220. So pause and jump to 220. So okay and then pause when you jump there. So it's a hundred thousand dollar robot that basically you dump a bunch of baseballs in. Yeah.

And then there's a little rubber arm that comes out of it that holds the baseball and you hit it. Like a tee? Then the rubber arm goes down, sort of, yeah. So it's tee ball. Rubber arm goes, yeah. Rubber arm goes down, grabs another baseball, comes back up. And Sammy went in to go batting and yeah. Well, I'm sure hilarity ensued.

Hundred thousand dollar robot. The water bottle came out of his backpack. This man whiffed so hard. I will say the robot seems completely fine. Oh, oh, dude. Oh, dude. One hundred and forty six feet. Oh, my God.

Surely they must have bashed. I'm so sorry I'm so sorry And then he can't He gets so squeamish from that That he can't do it properly again He doesn't even have his hands together What is he even doing?

Oh my gosh There's more time stands We can just leave it there, but there's more timestamps. That was actually a really fun video. Yep. So float plane exclusive there guys. LMG.GG slash float plane. We've got 40,000 strong our float plane supporters

out there. We appreciate the heck out of you guys. Thank you very much. And if you don't want to sign up for floatplane for whatever reason, you can also get access to exclusives through memberships on YouTube, but you pay extra and honestly, the content team sometimes forgets

to put stuff on there on time. I didn't know that part. Yeah, we really need to. We probably should not do that. should really need to tidy that up Yeah, like I'm gonna look now. I don't even Where do you even see the members only stuff? I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out how to do that I Don't know I

Don't know where to find your personal account. Are you a member? Yeah, members only videos are only up to Yvonne Week right now. So Sammy, if you're watching right now, please, they should really, really, really go up at the same time. But yes, the float plane, float plane peeps are, you guys are kings.

Okay, what else we got? And queens. Or whatever, anything is fine. Fabies. Jacks, Aces. I had another thing that I jotted down. Are you doing any prep for wisdom teeth stuff? Have you figured out food?

I'm gonna have my wonderful wife take care of me. Okay, she'll do a good job. She will basically make food that I like and then put it in a blender. The stuff they suggested for me, we went and bought it just kind of blindly, and then checked it out afterwards. It was just like super sugary protein-enhanced milkshakes, basically. It's like, what the heck?

I think Yvonne's planning to make like soup and just blend it, which I remember from last time being awful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's it after dark oh it's after dark I guess so I don't think there's anything else is it after dark yeah all the topics are done yeah oh no I mean I do think this is a decent got Seddon in my in my D. I know a guy. Oh my God. Let's go! Sent me this thing. 2000 pound plus cargo, nine seater Gulf Stream,

transatlantic capable. Let's go! All right, we're going straight to stage three, baby. Sorry, are you saying it's for sale, question mark? What if you partner with someone? What if you partner with someone that has a plane? Yeah, like Taylor Swift, you're basically besties. Yeah. Twinkies.

What, because we have the same thickness of thighs? Once you get the same thickness of thighs. I mean, after CES, you're probably even more caked out, all that walking, you know? I did walk a lot. I go out of my way to walk a lot. I'll finish the end of the day, and then one day I walked like two and a half miles back

to my hotel from wherever I ended up. Like I walk when I'm in Vegas, cause it's the only thing I'm doing. And I have those travel days bookending it. And then I just sit and do nothing. So, and I didn't- Hotel gym. I didn't pack enough stuff to bring gym clothes.

I'm not going to pack a check luggage so that I can work out I'm just not gonna do it. I just work out ideally my gym freaking closed at a 7 p.m. So the one so you'll go gamble Yeah, as far as I could that one of them had a pool that closed it like five or something like that Also, like also my hotel. I'm pretty sure I just went in the previous day's clothes And then was

like whatever it is what it is. That's not a bad hack. Yeah. Linus you can afford gym clothes to throw away. I will never be able to afford to reconcile that with my worldview. Yeah don't do that. Buy a boat before you do that. 100%. Get a train car. So wasteful. That would be kind of sick. A private train. We don't have it like there's- Guys, goodwill is not a solution to that. There is far more secondhand clothing than there is people to consume secondhand clothes.

Yeah. Especially now because of the, the like Tmuse and all that other stuff. Yep. Don't do it. Don't do it. And when your clothes run out or wear out, you just turn them into wear. Oh! What's up? Oh, let's go!

Golf streamer here. We could look into setting up a tour of our engineering and manufacturing facilities. What is this? In full play chat. What? Shut up. Kashif. Do it, dude.

Shut up. Kashif. Do it, dude. Shut up. Do it. I told you a partnership would be... Do it. This is Luke's whole thing. Everybody around him is like, nah, they won't.

And then you send them an email and they're like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, land plane. Let's go. Always. We'll use it as a demo plane to show our potential clients. Yeah. This is one that built by Linus Tech Tips that you can also...

Linus, you undervalue yourself. I think seeing the Gulfstream engineering and manufacturing facilities would be super cool. That sounds sick. I don't know that that video would actually perform particularly well for our audience. Just go. No, no, no, no, no. You're going there to set up a time to get a Gulfstream jet customized. I wouldn't buy a new one though.

I can't afford a new one. No, no, no. You do one of theirs and it would be their marketing stunt and yours. No, cause then it has to be like to a level of polish that we wouldn't do. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You could these days.

Yeah. Uh. Especially with their, you know, say so. Yeah. The ratio, the ratio of amount of work to how much videos I need to get out of it, to how long it's gonna take. I thought you were gonna charter it.

There's a bunch of factors here, people, is what I'm trying to say. I don't know if that's, I don't know if the stars are gonna align for this one, but we'll see, we'll see. You guys are just gonna, I can't explain every factor that goes into the decision of whether to make a video or not, but what I can say is,

guys, I've been doing this for a while. Trust me, this may not make sense, no matter how cool it seems on the surface. I'm just saying you just go on your own. But I tell you, you know I don't travel for pleasure. I'm already doing that one trip. You're not traveling for pleasure, you're traveling for business. What are you saying, go on my own? Because tell you, you know I don't travel for pleasure. I'm already doing that one trip for you this year. You're not traveling for pleasure, you're traveling for business.

What are you saying, going on my own? Because you're gonna start a chartered jet plan company. No, I'm not talking about writing off the travel expense, Dan, I'm talking about it's just a waste of time. Like, I can't go do that. Like, it doesn't make any sense. And Darren. But no, it's a waste of his time.

He can work on the jet plane. Oh, okay, can I mute him? Is that an option? Yes, I can, look at that. Done, found it. He can work on the jet plane. Okay, can I mute him? Is that an option? Yes, I can, look at that. Done, found it. Daddy, found the button. Okay. All right.

I would go. I know, but that's not the- I'll go do it. You also have a Luke mute button. You're just going on vacation then, and that's fine. You can do whatever you want on vacation. No, I'll 100% take vacation time. Yeah, okay.

I'm just gonna go. After Jimmy Fallon? Um, okay, anyway. Okay, what's next? Merch messages. Yeah, hit me. Kashif, reach out somehow. Let's just get this over with before Linus kills us both. It's been a long week. I'm so tired.

Good evening Linus, Luke, and Dan the Man. This is mainly for Luke. Hold on, hold on. Oh god. Furfino says, this is a bad idea, but touring dbrand isn't. Okay, dbrand is a long-term partner, okay, that has a long history of like sponsorships and memeing back and forth. A high degree of Venn diagram overlap

of awareness and relatability to our audience. People can't afford a Gulfstream jet. What? Are you calling them poor? But our average viewer can't afford a sticker to put on their phone. Okay. Also, it was to announce a collaborative product that this may surprise you, but we financially benefited from.

Wow. big reveal. Yes the dbrand tour made a lot of sense. The jet factory doesn't necessarily make sense. I completely agree. I think it would do acceptably but it would be weird. You get 900,000 views and there'd be a lot of people that are like oh this is a noise, completely out of here. 100%. Like this is the WAN show audience. You guys, no offense, yet ain't that discerning. However.

We tell you guys, hey we have an idea and you're like do it, let's go! And we love that about you and we appreciate your enthusiasm and your support. It's great. That is very true. But. It's very useful sometimes.

But we have to, when we make a video for the main channel, it has to make sense for all the investment that we put in. Every video costs a ton of money to make, believe it or not. And opportunity costs. Both in terms of real money and in terms of the cost of what we could have made in that time that would have paid our staff and paid our costs. All of that being said, whatever we do, I don't know, the RV, the boat, the plane, whatever, D-Brand's got to skin it somehow. The boat gets complicated.

Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. But something. XD Ravier says the whiners are ruining it for the rest of us. It's not even that. It's that it just isn't appealing to most people. Most people don't care about some jet that some rich asshole is riding around in. A lot of those videos get crazy views on YouTube, but it's usually on channels that are more tuned for that type of content.

Yes, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous style content. And that's not our audience. Our audience is like why would you pay nine dollars a month for a subscription when you can just pirate it fake frames fake frames it's it's a really really different audience and yeah and it's an audience that it's no accident that these two gentlemen built. Yeah. Right? No, yeah, I don't think the plane video is a good idea.

So there's a reason that our audience would relate way more to us finding some, like, claptrapped out boat. Yes. And like, teching it out and turning it into something like a viable side hustle. What they would enjoy is the struggle and the modification and the... And the jankiness. Yes. Yeah.

The journey. Yeah. That part would be fun. If I just did some tour of some rich f***ing guys tech f***ing boat, yeah, we'd have some people that would be into it and there'd be some audience that would come over from the other side. But our, like our core audience that we build our content for. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. For sure. our core audience that we build our content for.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Look how angry they are that Nvidia wants $2,000 for a GPU, which is a lot of fricking money. $2,000, like, wouldn't even buy you fricking, like, reaching altitude on this plane. Yeah, not even close. Right, like it's so- Like power cycling it might be genuinely like- Yeah, so we've just gotta keep that perspective a little bit.

We just gotta keep that perspective a little bit, all right? All right. After dark? It's already after dark. Oh, it is. My bad. Framework community is on fire now after the last mail. They believe Framework is going IPO over one joke line says no key.

You're gonna have to link me to that no key because I'm I'm not sure what's going on over at framework right now. Other than sending them some money and I waved at nerav in the line for the nvidia event. That was that was about it. Other than like that and the coverage we've done, I don't pay that actually close attention to them. Does it matter if they go IPO? Well, I think that there is a certain perception, a well-earned perception that once you go IPO, you are beholden to shareholders

who want nothing other than money, nothing other than a return, and you have a fiduciary responsibility to provide them that return and to do- So they're worried the repairability and stuff will take a taxi. They're worried that they could lose their path. So anyway, here, clarifying comment from Nirav regarding the IPO text. Okay, many, most startups get caught up in the fundraiser status game in a way that detracts from their mission.

We don't. Fundraising is a tool we use when it advances our mission and which we don't use when it doesn't. Part of being conservative about this is that the founding team still has both voting share and board control five years in, which is pretty unusual as this is true. There is no preordained outcome for framework as a company and one jokey sentence in a multi-page manifesto doesn't change that. Our focus is on winning at our mission, which the rest of the several pages of the manifesto is about. Also, the take over the world part isn't a joke. All right, so there you go. So how should this be interpreted? Are they planning an IPO or not? I don't think based on what I've seen so far, to scale your company past a certain point,

you pretty much have to take on funding. And that's one of the reasons that I don't know that Linus Media Group Inc. will ever scale beyond a certain point. Because if you want to go parabolic, which is what it takes to be a billion-dollar company, you can't do it just taking your profits and putting it back in. The numbers just don't work. So if they want to scale in a big way, they wanna tackle printers and they wanna tackle,

I don't know, whatever other sort of locked down, they wanna tackle TVs and stealing your data and monitoring youness of TVs. And they wanna tackle this, they wanna tackle that. They'll need funding. They've taken investment already. They took investment from people who weren't me, from people who may not even care as much about the mission, but maybe they do. But they took investment and they've

managed to stay true to it so far. So what I hope is if they did that, if they did take money through an initial public offering, that they would still stay true to their mission. I haven't seen an indication that they won't, but nothing's impossible. And, you know, I stand by what I said before, which is if I, you know, if I feel they have betrayed their mission, then I'm out. And I will break up with them publicly. Yep. Apparently it's around three quarters of the way through the page here. So here's a blog, five years of framework, Ctrl-F, world, here we go.

Okay, there you go, here's the plan. 2020x, IPO takeover the world. Note that this timeline is deliberately aggressive and makes a few assumptions and product risks, etc. It's cool that they're being really open about this at least. This is actually surprisingly comprehensive. Very cool. Anyway, worth checking out. But I am have valve disag. Valve is a unicorn. Valve is the exception that proves the rule. Valve literally prints money for a living. They, just because Valve does it doesn't mean anyone else can do it.

And Framework is in a physical goods business, which just has physical limitations on scale. Things take time. Things have to move around. All right. All right, here we go. Good evening, Linus, Luke and Dan the man. This is mainly for Luke.

I am in school for a BS in network security and administration. Question is what position should I be looking for? Can it be a new career? I don't know. I feel like we might have to dial back security and administration. Question is, what position should I be looking for? Gonna be a new career. I don't know, I feel like we might have to dial back the career advice, Merch messages, just because the reality of it is that Luke and I only know so much

and have only worked at so many companies. I've had one career level job. Yeah, all right. Two? Yeah. We do get a- Maybe not from Merch messages in career advice. I know, but it's tough out there right now. So I get it. And we can tell people, you know, some, some, you know, things that we've learned succeeding in the workplace, like that's something we've done, even though we haven't had that many positions, I feel like we've done well at them and we are passionate about it and, you know, we work hard

and everything, but there's a limit to kind of how much we can address and like, man, I'm in school, what position should I go for? Like, dude, the world moves so fast and changes so fast that even if we give you advice and even if it is the right advice today, it might not be the right advice by the time you graduate. So it's, I can tell you that network security ain't going away anytime soon. Yeah. But I also don't know what the impact of,

and when I say the impact of AI, I don't even mean necessarily the impact of the AI getting a lot better. I mean, the impact of workplaces I don't even mean necessarily the impact of the AI getting a lot better. I mean, the impact of workplaces cutting back on human resources because of it. I don't know what that's going to look like. Yeah. All right. Ahoy.

The one you can is what I'll say. Yeah. Ahoy, L plus L. I've been considering an RTX 5090 to save on my heating bill. Is there any viability to this? Trying to convince girlfriend It's a solid investment. Well, you better hope she doesn't watch WAN show because that's a stupid fucking investment Yeah, what? With that said with that said if You are using Resistive heating already

Then during the winter months it legitimately won't cost you any more to heat your house with a 50-90 than it would to heat it with a resistive heater. However, if you're using almost literally any other form of heating, so if you're using a heat pump, if you're using a like a gas boiler, almost literally anything else, you already have a way more efficient heater. So, yeah. Sorry, I really hope for your sake that your girlfriend doesn't watch WAN Show, and I hope you don't feel bad about me, you know,

saying your idea's bad. And then clip this part. Yeah, that'll work. Great idea. Hi, that'll work. Great idea. Hi, LLD. Get one for each of you. And then soon it'll be two when she breaks up with you. Hi, LLD.

Linus, for... Do you have any advice for... Save a lot of money not having a girlfriend. Too bad, too bad. Then you could buy a 50-90. Could justify itself that way. You could generate one. You could like, yeah if you had a 50-90 you could heat up your macaroni for one on it. Sad, sad little man. Oh sorry I'm projecting. Hi LLD Linus, do you have any advice for-

Ben Bob says actually just keep a bunch of goats in your home for the body warmth Then you wouldn't have to worry about a girlfriend either But you'd have your goat Okay, sorry, yeah, I'll let you finish reading down it still can't have your apartments now just imagine like this go Yeah, like take them up and down the elevator Take it at the park Actually more work having a girlfriend or having a goat? Probably not

The girl smells a lot better though. The dog way better, yeah. Only if you don't take care of the goat. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Go ahead, Dan. All right, it's not going to get better.

Linus, do you have any advice for vasectomy recovery? I've got mine scheduled in 11 days and have just been told rest and tight undies. Yeah, don't forget the cool You know the ice bag the ice chip bag is is a plus don't go to work and host the WAN show that day I was like out and about doing stuff go home and rest and and don't get recognized by your doctor. Ugh. That was such a funny story. Oh man. Next up. Okay, so I thought we were pausing for effect.

Hi, LDL, what are your thoughts on giving kids Apple watches instead of phones to stay connected while limiting access to social media? Is it smart or just a fool errand? Yay, screwdrivers. Does it limit access? Yeah, I mean, it makes it a little less convenient. But like, yeah, I mean, I guess Apple watch has, doesn't Apple watch have to be paired to a phone even when it has a cellular connection though? No idea. doesn't Apple watch have to be paired to a phone even when it has a cellular connection though? No idea. I thought so. Like I don't, I think the setup process like requires you to connect it to a phone. I mean if like they just don't have access to the phone, I mean realistically there's better

parental tools for limiting time in apps anyway. I would probably go that route personally. Apparently no, not anymore. Oh wait, people are saying yes for setup. Kid mode. Apparently no, not anymore. Oh wait, people are saying yes for setup, kid mode. Yeah, I mean a watch, I mean it's a really expensive just like text only device. Couldn't you just like get an old crappy phone and then just set up parental controls on it? I'd probably go that route.

Thousand bucks for something that they're just gonna bang into every single surface on the planet of the earth. Pretty durable actually. I've got a not even like the latest one in it. So it's got some scratches on it. Okay. I think the restricted old crappy phone is the way to go. You can buy them pretty cheap sometimes.

Hi, DLM. Linus, which 59 are you planning on getting? As cool as the founder's card is, it's hard for me to ignore the benefits of having a card from a partner for better cooling or better performance. I mean, I I'm gonna go with whatever's got a block for it because I'm gonna be water cooling mine and heating my pool with it so. I'm really, I'm really, one percent problem. I'm very interested in the thermals of that card. I bet they're really good. Yeah the pass-through design is pretty stupid in my opinion. I can't reveal anything now. What?

Stupid. Yeah. Why? It's like one opinion. I can't reveal anything now. What? Stupid. Yeah, why? It's like one of the worst designs I've ever seen. Why? No, I'm just trying to piss you off because Nicholas said that you loved it and wanted me to review it.

Oh, okay, okay. Well, it's because you're objectively wrong because it's amazing. There you go. It's a marvel of engineering. I think it's cool. It's tiny. The angle vents on the side that make it

so that the hot air doesn't come back around. Genius. I haven't tested anything and I didn't attend back around? Genius. I haven't tested anything and I didn't have 10 editors day, so I don't know anything, but I will speculate that it's very good. I just find it interesting that the board partner cards are so enormous.

Why aren't they doing that? They're all huge. The 59 is like a two slot. Cause it's so expensive to build that card. And so Nvidia, because they have their own margins, like basically they can put all of the board partners margin and build cost into their own build cost and sell it at the same price.

So it's just like a flex. That's it, that's all there is to it. So you're thinking the enormous Adam board partner cards are compensating for the effectiveness of the dual pass-through cooler? Yeah. Yeah. And also just overbuilt because it's become like a who can build the biggest coolest running card.

It's a $2,000 card. So at this point, it's an EP thing anyways. Yeah. Yeah. And like nobody plugs anything into their PCIe slots anymore anyway, so who cares? Yeah, if you have an ATX motherboard. Yep. Because I don't give you any.

OK, how long was the mod mat in development for? Oh, wow. A long time, because I'm trying to think. When did we, like, mod mat? You had to navigate the partnership thing, too, right? Yeah. Yeah that takes time Mod man, I mean how far back would have to go Yeah, bigs be saying basically each one of the fins is custom and would require its own stamp die. Yeah, they like They come oh my god. They are they concave each side

To like balance out the fan pressure. That cooler is genuinely insane. It was one of the first ones I've ever thought like I want to founders for this one. The second they announced during the keynote that it was dual pass through, my brain exploded. I was I was squinting. What are you doing? I'm trying to figure out if this is a three slot card and then. Oh, no, hold on. That's that's not the 50 70 or the 5080, that's the 5090 as a dual slot.

What the hell? Whozifa1 says, partnership with who Linus? With Modrite, who was the owner of Frozen CPU. This is really funny, this is an ancient email from 2013. I don't, you get a lot of haters on your channel, not usually, they seem to really hate the modmat, it's weird because I thought it was kind of cool So this is when I started thinking the mod mat was kind of cool So that was 12 years ago as for when we actually started working on ours Let me see It's like nothing has changed yeah

Mod Matt um modmat um Here's a very uh, hold on i'm gonna screenshot this so that I can um Whoops, i'm gonna screenshot this so that I can mask a couple of things really quick but the earliest email that I can mask a couple of things really quick. But the earliest email that I can find about it is 2022. Let me just get a big black marker here. Okay. Come on, maximize you butt. Okay, there we go. And a burp. And a burp. And a burp. Okay. Yeah, this seems to be, this seems to be sanitized. Okay, there. So grounding plane that has flexible attach point, second carabiner style to the natural

rubber built in magnetic screw retention, solder section, heat resistant spot, bumping this up, officially moving forward. With Mod-Rite, we should do initial discussion Wednesday during merch meeting. So that's September 2022 was when we pressed go. So a while, I mean, we sort of almost famously at this point take a very long time to do stuff. But we make sure that when we do it, we do it right. Hey DLL, how do you personally re-motivate yourself when you start to feel lost in what

you previously enjoyed for work? Tell yourself you have no choice because you're in a lot of debt and if you don't keep working, you'll never hope to afford to be out of debt. Motivation falters, you have to find something else. Motivation is good for starting, it's not good for continuing. I do not ever rely on motivation for anything. Yeah. A-L-L-D, question for both.

After all these years, what has been the most satisfying aspect of your job? What has been the most surprising? I think the most satisfying is when we're able to actually affect real change, whether that's in brand marketing or product design or on our viewers. It's really cool when people come up and tell me, hey, I just finished my program and I got started in IT because of enjoying your videos when I was a kid. I think that's the most deeply satisfying part of the job. Um, but if I was to say, um, if I was to talk about the most deeply satisfying part of the company, I'd say watching people hit milestones is the most satisfying part.

So, you know, having people apply for a mortgage and have a bank approve their mortgage because they work at Linus Media Group Inc, Float Plane Inc, Crater Warehouse Inc. That's pretty cool. The fact that we're like a real company and that, you know, a financial institution will say, oh yeah, you work at a real company and get, you know, real wages and can really put a down payment on this and be expected to pay your monthly mortgage payments. That's It's a deeper level of validation than just someone thinking you're pretty cool and being willing to work with you and take it

Take a risk on you. It's like it's like a no. This is real. This is like this is solid now You know seeing people start a family knowing that their kids not gonna starve because well, yeah, it's fine. I work at lines to be a root I knowing that their kid's not gonna starve because, well, yeah, it's fine. I work at Linus Media Group. I work at Creator Warehouse. I'd say there can't really be anything more satisfying than that. Yeah. Yeah, I think for me personally, it's the, I guess the trust building

and long-term nature of working with people, like having people on my team, like, I don't know, practically anyone currently on the FlipLink team, for example, just like I've been working with these people forever at this point. I just think that's really cool. Building those long-term relationships.

Yeah, I know it's a big thing in the software development industry for people to stay in a company for like three years max, often like one to two. And it's cool that we have a team where that's like not really the MO, despite it being not common. And kind of brutal sometimes, they work hard.

Yeah, yeah, to be honest. And often like thanklessly in the background on things that aren't really that visible on the site. Yeah, like some people have pointed out that the beta site right now, they're like, oh, it's not like that different. It's like, yeah. In regards to like some of the stuff that you see, yeah.

There's a lot of stuff going on though. There's actually a ton of stuff going on. A lot of it's like cooking right now. Like you can't see it all quite yet, but yeah, anyways. And the surprising part is that I was very resistant to us growing to this scale. And I still think there's some parts of it that kinda suck, but there's more things

that are good about it that I didn't see coming. I think things have been relatively, I think the waters have been relatively smooth very recently. Yes. I do agree. Give me time though. Soon I'll have a boat. Yeah. And someone will hate that. It'll be good. Hi DLL, while they hate on Fortnite, it's free and I play with my nephews and grand-nephews and buy them team skins. This makes it funner for everyone, particularly my grandnephews." Um, I think it's the...

It was a very significant mark of a very significant change in gaming. Yeah, so I think it's less hating Fortnite and more hating what it represents. I had no idea how good my son is at it. He like wins fairly regularly. I'm not too surprised. My son is at it. He like wins fairly regularly. I was like, okay All right, we got to play some we got a we got to play some FPS together again Cuz he's gotten I was watching him play the other day if he's winning in fortnight Yeah, probably he's like, yeah, we should we should play it. He wasn't playing ranked in that one. But like still that's probably so he won Yeah, just like it was like his second match of this season or something. Is it still a hundred players?

Yep. Yeah, so that's nuts. Yeah, like I just like watched him casually just eliminate other human players and like yo Is that a human? He's like, yeah, I'm like and Then someone was like spectating him after cuz they like I guess thought he was cheating or something But I was literally watching him play cool. Yeah, that's pretty sick Yeah, so we'll have to play some He's left place really like not that little I know anymore the nickname really doesn't work that well anymore medium Yeah, medium, man. Yeah Normal dude, he's been really enjoying the baddie center more than I hoped

He's been playing more than me because I'm injured right now. Well, I'm jealous. That's cool Yeah, he plays like at least every other day more like two or three days I'm just like, okay. Yeah, I wish I could play that much. That's pretty sick Yeah, cuz like that was a that was like a huge time investment For me and money investment in like having badminton be something that we could like Bond over as adults and do more excessively. You've probably heard me talking about for over a decade wanting to play father-son tournaments Yeah, yeah, of course like this has been a machination of mine

Since like this child was born through absolute sheer force. I will make this thing happen I well I knew I couldn't make it happen. I don't mean in regards to his desire. Oh sure I mean in regards to like there will be a badminton center, it will be near, it will be accessible, those types of things. Yeah, you can't like, you can't force someone to be into something. Yeah, right. But what you can do is you can put it in front of them and you can incentivize it and you can create positive experiences and memories around it and and and hope for the best. Yep. I don't know if the daughters will get into it, but hey, at least I got one. One out of three ain't bad.

1 out of 3 isn't zero out of 3. And it's not like I don't have things that I can bond with the daughters over as well. And so, you know, for me, it's like childhood is temporary. And well, everything's temporary, but the child part is very temporary. It's fleetingeting even, and you know, if we, we can't really call it a success unless we can have real adult relationships with these people, right? They're not kids, they're people. And so it's been playing a long game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

At least now you have a very obvious favorite child. Well, no. No. The package, etc., is ultimately for lioness. I actually. No. The package is ultimately for lioness. I actually don't. For individual child. A lot of people like are very clearly like I don't have a favorite. Sorry, I had something in my eye. Yeah. But I I don't. They are each utterly unique and utterly incredible. I will externally say that does seem true through observation Like they're all great

Maybe part of it is just like I have all great kids like maybe some people have kids that are just like assholes We win win win was this What day was that? after last WAN show I Went over to your place and you hadn't seen them in a while for some reason because I'd been away and the What I think and they were too or something. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The greeting you got. Oh, isn't it heartwarming? It was pretty good. There's people who think that having kids isn't the most fulfilling thing you'll ever do. And then there's people who have kids. There's nothing, absolutely nothing like it. There's nothing else that you can, and I'm sorry if this is like a really tough

thing to hear, but there's absolutely nothing that's even close. I think there are people that have kids that definitely don't agree. And that's fair enough. But in general, I think you are people that have kids that definitely don't agree. And that's fair enough. But in general, I think you're, yeah. But out of everything that I have ever accomplished or ever experienced, it's an order of magnitude off. Nothing else is even on the same planet. Up next.

Yep. Hey DLL, looking forward to the couch potato hoodie. Question for Linus, with the new 74 watt hour battery mod for the ROG Ally, what are your thoughts on taking an OG Ally and upgrading versus Ally X? Ooh, 74 watt hour battery mod, that's pretty cool. I mean, it depends how much you're spending on it. If you already have an OG Ally, right? Then yeah.

Then yeah, but I absolutely wouldn't go buy an OG Ally because there's other benefits of the newer one. Like it natively supports full-sized SSDs, although the OG One can be modified as well for that. What battery is in there right now? Oh, I think it's only 40 watt hours, or 45? Don't quote me on that. I don't actually see it on here.

Yeah, I can't remember. I think it's around 45 watt hours or something like that. So that's a substantial upgrade. You have to have 40. I would rather have an ally X Apparently ally X has issues some people are saying oh ally OG has issues. Yeah, the SD card issue. I mean that didn't impact me So far my ally is doing great and I'm super happy with it That's the main reason I haven't bothered to upgrade because I just don't even need to the one

I'll be taking on Fallon though is ally ally X I The one I'll be taking on Fallon though is L-I-X. I mean, I'm sure Asus would appreciate us showing their latest rather than, even if this is what I daily drive, and I wanted it to be as wow factor for him as possible. And there's no actual released devices yet with Z2 Extreme, which I would have rather taken. But anyway.

Could you get an unreleased one? If you're like, hey, hey, hey, it's for this thing. There's no time possibly, but yeah, there's no time I'm gonna be I'm gonna be on the show Less than 72 hours from now, yeah, like and it's a weekend right after CES everyone's like done, right? We got to be somewhat even get your weekend. Are you flying on Monday? No, I'm flying Sunday. Oof. Yeah. I'm doing the red eye. Linus, how long until... sorry, yeah. How long until and where do your tough socks wear out? And if I order tough socks now, will they last me until the LDT socks are released? Oh, my darn tough socks? They usually fail in the ball of the

foot for me because badminton. So because of the friction of sliding when I lunge. They lasted me like a solid couple of years before they wore out, which doesn't sound like that much maybe. If you're not as hard on your socks as I am, I'm real hard on my socks. That is a fricking long time.

Maybe even three years. I think they probably started failing within a couple years but I still have ones from my initial order that are still going today. So they're really impressive. If you order them now I'd be very surprised if they wear out before LTT socks are released. Lan, Fluke and Cisness. What is the most expensive product you've ever seen at CES? Oh, some of the huge TVs, like obviously. Like at CES? Oh, some of the huge TVs, obviously. Some of those are, some of the demo systems are one of a kind in the entire world.

I remember, I think it was Samsung had this cool one that had motorized arms on the back that would take it and rearrange it into different aspect ratios. You can't even put a price tag on some of the stuff that they have at these shows. They're bespoke hand-built things. I don't even know. What blows my mind every time is the cost of the booths themselves. And they're just gonna throw it away. Dude, it's crazy. They're just gonna completely throw it in the garbage. It's wild. Some of them are effectively building multi-story homes. Yeah. Siemens was insane. They have doors, they have stairs. It had offices with like plants and benches and tables

and a kitchen. Above hardwood floors. Like it's honestly wild. Like actual, yeah, I don't know. I was amazed. One year I asked someone, I forget who it was, and I was like, what do they do with like all the carpet? They're like, throw it away.

Gone. What? It's all just trash. Yeah, it's all just thrown away because it's not like the next convention that comes in is gonna want the same color carpet so like just throw it away like yep and it's one of those things where like I make my kids sort our recycling and everything but like in the grand scheme of things. Sorting that can compared to like commercial waste. Yeah. Yeah.

Where's the 2024 or 2025 sticker pack bonus? I don't know. That's a good question. We must have had a bunch left over. Maybe soon. And last one I've got for you today. Oh, deWilso9 says, I work for Siemens and we looked at storing the carpets. It made no financial sense. Yeah, I get it. I get it. But yeah, so yeah, so they just, yep, Cosmic Remix. Yeah, they just throw it away.

Those booths, they just, they just throw them away. Even the cost of transporting them like back to where these companies came from in some cases, it doesn't make any sense. Some companies take a more pragmatic approach. Noctua, for instance, reuses the same given the cost of transporting them back to where these companies came from in some cases, it doesn't make any sense. Some companies take a more pragmatic approach. Noctua, for instance, reuses the same Computex booth every year. They just fold it up and unpack it. I love that. I respect that.

Yep. Griffin says, I work in construction in Vegas. The smooth of good materials that get thrown away in my shed is ridiculous. Yeah, I don't know what smooth means in this context. Me neither. Sure, amount, amount. Auto correct or something.

Okay. Dear Luke, as Dan's direct report, do you have any advice to get him to be less aggressive at curating these? Pro tip for Linus, don't eat solid food for two weeks, even if they say you can after three days. I think he's less aggressive with it because, what's the current runtime of the show?

We're at three hours and 50 seconds. Yep, so that's why. I think we're trying to not do the five hour of when he shows up. Any advice to get him to be less aggressive? Like do you want me to make? He wants you to curate more. Oh.

Is what I'm interpreting this as. Oh yeah, no I have time. Yeah, but meanwhile I've got my wife asking when I'm going to be home, so. Yeah exactly. You know, it is what it is. We're at one hour five minutes over time. The betterment of our sanity. He takes care of us.

I try my best. Dennis to shield. I try my best. That's all I got. Yeah, I was just gonna say, speaking of trying his best though, Earth to Linus, we're done. See you next week, same time same bad channel whoa bye What the Thanks for watching!