The WAN Show - NVIDIA gets Destroyed - WAN Show March 19, 2021
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You got this.
And welcome to the WAN show, ladies and gentlemen.
We've got a fantastic show for you guys today.
Starting, of course, with NVIDIA's spectacular self-owned this week
with their RTX 3060 unhackable mining limited driver getting hacked,
but also not really hacked.
So we'll talk a little bit more about that later.
We've also got amd launching
the rx 6700 xt which hasn't had its mining capabilities nerfed but quite frankly didn't
need any of its capabilities nerfed yay what else we got uh 11th gen core lineup has been released
because we definitely wanted to keep saying products uh names that sound
somewhat like the previous generation at all that's very cool i'm excited to say 11 700 and
stuff like that um and also where did it go i wanted to ah yes google slashes play stores
uh play store fees with a with a you know with a twist, of course. Interesting. Oh, wow. That's actually very interesting.
Okay. I had not looked at that. So the time of the show and it's just like yeah the show kind of
happens whenever it happens i think there's a between daylight savings time and the fact that
we were super late last week
and a little early this week,
there's like a four hour difference
between the show start time
from one week to the next.
Thank you guys very much
for your patience with us.
Let's jump right into our headline topic
because otherwise people get upset.
The unhackable RTX 3060 has been hacked.
For those of you who haven't been following
what's been going on with the RTX 3060 has been hacked. For those of you who haven't been following what's been going
on with the RTX 3060, Nvidia said in the lead up to the release of this card that the driver,
firmware, and I think it's mostly down to the driver and firmware of the card. We're going to
have a handshake that we're basically going to make it so that the card would be able to detect if it was
mining aetherium and then throttle its performance in that particular workload until it's
stopped and it goes back to be gaming or
Rendering or whatever the case may be and Nvidia said that because there's this firmware driver
And NVIDIA said that because there's this firmware driver handshake that's taking place and it's all encrypted and validated and whatever, that this performance lock would be unhackable. RTX 3060s would not be appealing to miners, hopefully decreasing the demand for them from
scalpers, making it so that gamers could buy them at a reasonable price.
Of course, we talked through sort of why NVIDIA's actions seem to have more to do with protecting their bottom line and less to do with actually
protecting gamers from opportunistic scalpers. But you can watch the whole video about that if
you really want to. But one of the things we also talked about was that NVIDIA's actions here
not only don't really do anything to protect gamers, We didn't think they were going to do anything
to prevent miners from utilizing these cards.
And one of the big key steps
in defeating NVIDIA's cryptocurrency mining block
has already taken place.
Now, usually something getting hacked
is not as simple as just like, you know, you get into the mainframe and you get the control all bleating there.
You type really fast and then suddenly it gives you the matrix code coming down.
It's not usually the way it works.
I mean, you look at a project like the iPhone.
It's a never-ending battle because there's always new hardware.
There's always new software updates. There's always new workarounds, and it's like this game of cat and mouse.
So you look at something where the hardware doesn't change, something like a Nintendo
console.
You go back to the R4 cards on the DS, or you look at the Android, I don't know what
to call it.
Yeah, I guess it's probably a hack.
The Android hack on the Nintendo Switch. the android i don't know what to call it yeah i guess it's probably a hack the android hack
on the nintendo switch those are things that little by little by little by little
what is usually a very dedicated and usually very small community chips away so you know first they
need to uh pass some some key hurdles they need to get, you know, like root access, for example.
They need to break the bootloader.
Like they need to kind of get past these hurdles.
And then once they do that, it's like, oh, yay, now we've got Android running on it
because it's just a Tegra chip.
So like, obviously it could run on it, but oh, wait, you know, NVIDIA,
NVIDIA, excuse me, Nintendo has a totally different way of implementing Bluetooth because
Nintendo lives on a different planet where Bluetooth wireless in your headphones aren't
a thing and no one would want to use that or whatever.
You know, so, oh, Bluetooth doesn't work and Wi-Fi doesn't work and you got to kind of
chip away at these things little by little.
But one of the key tools in any hacker's toolkit is a proof of concept,
right? Having it working in some small way so that you can take that solution and then
trace the path back to create a better solution. So to be clear, it's not like people can build a mining farm out of 3060s right now.
In fact, my understanding is
you can only mine at full speed on it
if you have it connected to an external display
and if it is the only 3060 in the system.
But this is still a major win
because once you have it working a little... that's a lot less uh of things that
are limiting you from doing what you want to get out of the way you now have it lining you have
very clear steps forward now you need to try to get rid of the monitor limitation and the only
30 60 limitation and then you're you're going yes and it also gives you because so basically what happened was uh nvidia um
nvidia accidentally uh released a developer driver that did not have the mining limiter
implemented version 470.05 it requires a developer account but anyone can be instantly verified for a developer account
and allowed these cards to mine
at 40 to 50 mega hashes per second
instead of 20 to 25.
Whew.
Yeah, so one of the other things...
I don't think this part was already mentioned,
but this isn't actually really good for gamers
before you get your hopes up
because you're stuck on that
driver um game ready drivers are kind of a thing so big yikes so one of the other things that having
a working version to compare to your blocked version does is it allows you to look at how
the system behaves differently when it's working versus when it's blocked.
So you can try and reverse engineer how the block works.
And yeah, one of the things that's like Luke said
is a real bummer about this
is that while this does prevent commercial miners
from getting the most out of these 3060s for now,
what it doesn't do is allow individual gamers
to recoup some of the cost from their card
by just mining on the side if they want to get the best performance and the best feature
compatibility in the latest games, like with a game-ready driver.
As a gamer, it probably would.
One of the other problems that this presents for gamers, too that if there's all the if the news keeps coming like
this oh hey now it's working with a monitor attached and now it's working with no monitor
attached but you can just have one in the system oh now it's working this way miners will continue
to grab these cards at every possible opportunity because a, it's already profitable anyway, even with the
nerf. And B, if there's hope that the profitability of it could go up, well then they're obviously
going to want to get them while they can because the price of these things is only going to go
higher. Now the upcoming 3080 Ti or the rumored upcoming 3080 Ti,
is rumored to have a similar mining performance nerf on release.
But if the feature is implemented in the same way,
whatever workaround that now miners have access to,
or now they can at least observe,
whatever workaround they build for this could potentially be used for new cards as well.
So Phoenix Miner developers claim to be working on a kernel level update.
This is over a week ago.
So even if NVIDIA rolls back the drivers or makes it more difficult to gain access to developer tools,
others are still hard at work trying to remove the blocker.
And then one of the other key pillars of nvidia's um sort of
segmentation of the market between gamers and miners is creating their mining only cards and
my big objections here a lot of people misunderstood that video it was kind of shocking
people were like what are you mad nvidia is trying to make money they're a company they're
going to make money no i never said that i'm i run a company that tries to make
money i mean i even i even made it very clear i thought in the video with my sort of cheeky
segue to our sponsor that i got no problem because people got to eat i gotta eat luke's
gotta eat luke you gotta eat right yep sometimes to eat. Okay. I got no problem with that.
The problem is presenting what is a blatant business move as some kind of magnanimous
gift that you're giving to gamers. It's not. So don't pretend it is. If Nvidia had released
mining cards and said, yep, we're releasing mining cards i just said okay
we'd have talked about it on wan show or tech linked or whatever i wouldn't have made a whole
video about it i might have been like a little disappointed due to silicon shortage and stuff
like that but wouldn't have been nearly as big of a deal yeah i wouldn't have said nvidia doesn't
care about gamers because nvidia wouldn't have pretended that the move was about
caring about gamers. So I might have said, you know, I'm disappointed at the amount of unnecessary
e-waste. And to be clear, a gaming card is e-waste too, but this is in the video. It's always obvious
when someone comments and they haven't actually watched the video. This is in the video. I'm not
telling you guys don't buy a graphics card because it's e-waste. I mean, you know, yeah, sure, that might be the environmentally responsible thing to do.
But what I'm saying is, you know what, that's bad enough already.
Why don't we not make it worse on purpose?
So instead of manufacturing cards that have literally no purpose other than to suck up power and then go to a landfill,
why don't we just put a display connection on it so that at least once it's done its life as a mining card, it can go be a gaming
card or vice versa for that matter. I called on them in that video to just unlock the mining
capabilities of it because the lock, as I said, and has come to pass, didn't do anything. Miners are still
buying all the cards and they're figuring out how to work around it already anyway. So why not just
let retail gamers make mine a little bit of Ethereum on the side, which is kind of my whole
there. That's kind of everything I have to say oh there's also the
separate issue um that the cmp mining cards seem to be based on are they based on pascal or turing
i can't remember the point is they actually don't appear to be ampere anyway and the performance
uh per watt seems to be like kind of terrible meaning that i don't even yeah there's these sort of rumors that
it's basically just they're they're like garbage and so had dye issues and stuff and they're just
like yeah ship it well no no nvidia made that very clear that these did not meet their requirements
for g4 there's there's been rumors that it's like worse than we thought you know got it um
so you know what um fair fair enough i guess but then i i don't i just looking at the numbers i
don't see why anyone would buy them they're extremely expensive um they consume too much
power for the hash rate um and honestly I would just rather that instead of creating
artificially segmented products, manufacturers just make the best thing they can and then let
it be as useful as it can. Like I've talked about these same things, whether it's Intel locking out
ECC memory compatibility on their core chips, or whether it's NVIDIA or AMD for that matter, locking out, you know,
performance capabilities and professional applications on their non-quadro or non-fire
cards. Like I, it's something I find very frustrating in general, or whether it's Tesla,
including rear heated seats, and then you pay to, you know, allow the electrons to flow.
heated seats and then you pay to you know allow the electrons to flow um i i just i find it very frustrating even though i do understand the business cases around building features in that
way now particularly something like quadro or fire i find it a little less offensive because
there really is significant driver development work this is so essentially you're not buying
hardware at that point you are buying software there is significant development work. This is so essentially you're not buying hardware at that point. You are buying software.
There is significant development work that goes into validating those products for these professional applications.
It's the for no apparent reason functionality locks
like, you know, canning the double precision
floating-point performance of a Titan, for example.
That can be very frustrating.
Back to my point about retail gamers,
like individual gamers making back some of their money by mining.
There's been a bit of controversy around our NiceHash sponsorship earlier this week,
and I just want to take a bit of time to address that.
First of all,
there's the people that are upset that I appear to be flip-flopping on the issue of mining.
I don't believe I have ever flip-flopped in any way. I mean, we've always been kind of tepid on it. We are pro the technology. I believe in cryptocurrency for realsies. I think that some
form of blockchain currency could be the answer to a lot of our problems. I don't think that
Bitcoin is necessarily it. There's a lot of problems with a lot of the current cryptocurrency
and for that matter, blockchain technologies. But I do fundamentally believe in
the concept. So there's that. I am not a huge fan of large scale mining operations. I don't think
that was ever really what the creators had in mind was individuals filling entire warehouses
with these ASIC miners that serve no purpose other than to,
you know, tackle the ever increasing difficulty of performing these calculations. I don't imagine
that's what they imagined, because the whole idea behind a decentralized currency is that you don't
have these centralized sort of power brokers in the space.
I thought the idea really was individuals with, you know, a GPU or their CPU or whatever,
you know, crunching these numbers on the side so that it was like truly very decentralized.
But, you know, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe that really was what they intended.
That was never the way I interpreted it.
So I've never really had an objection to individuals mining. In fact, we did a whole series about it in 2018. I am bothered by
it not being possible for individual gamers to get the hardware that they need to enjoy video games,
which I love, and I think you guys love, at a fair price. That bothers me. Opportunistic moneymaking, yeah, bothers me. To be clear, I don't think it's
the same as people who were going in and scooping up all the toilet paper or hand sanitizer in the
early days of the pandemic. Video gaming hardware, it's not an essential product in the same way that, you know, soap is.
But it definitely rubs me the wrong way when people post a picture on Instagram of 100 RTX 3080s,
and they're selling them for three times the retail price.
So with all of that said, so some people were upset that I appeared to be flip-flopping on the issue of mining.
So that's my stance on it.
And I don't think that anything that I said in that video
or before that video conflicts with that stance.
However, there were also people that were really unhappy with NiceHash's history.
So one of NiceHash's founders has a spot spotty history that frankly I was not aware of.
Sometimes we catch red flags in companies before we work with them. Sometimes the community catches
them and we say, okay, you guys don't like this. Let's not do this anymore. Thanks for bringing it
to our attention. And it looks like that's where we're going with this one. So you guys don't like
it. It's done.
We did talk to NiceHash about the issue.
There's a lot to be clear.
There's lots of people at NiceHash
who are not that founder.
So I'm not super into punishing one person
for the actions of another,
which they have already been,
as far as I can tell, actually punished for.
But if it's something that you guys aren't comfortable with,
especially because this is software that runs in the background on your machine,
then 100%, we get it.
We read you guys loud and clear, it's done, it's gone.
I think that's pretty much all I have to say about that,
other than thank you for bringing the issue to our attention.
I mean, we've consulted with you guys before when we decided to keep working with PIA after their acquisition.
That was something that we publicly talked to you guys about with VPNs.
It was an area where we knew, you know, the landscape was already covered in mines.
knew you know the the landscape was already covered in mines um whereas this was one where you know honestly we didn't think about it that much nice hash it's like yep they've had some
issues in the past that we were aware of like the hack where a bunch of people lost their coin
they returned all the coin we thought that was pretty like good guy nice hash it's a lot better
than faking your own death and pretending the coins never existed now you you might laugh but um that is a that is a thing that people
strongly suspect happened was that ever confirmed i'm i'm self-laughing because that's where all my
coin went oh oh oops yeah all right well sorry that. I even had hardware wallets. They showed up that week
and I hadn't moved this stuff into it yet.
Anyway, so there's that.
So anyway, we thought they did a pretty good job
of dealing with that.
It's software that I and Jake and Luke,
do you use NiceHash or have you?
I did way in the past.
It's been a long time, but yeah.
It's software we've all used and been
happy with so as as far as you know our due diligence went we were like yeah it's a good
program we like it um we have no problem with people mining on the side and making a couple
bucks i've even got a comment from someone in flowplane chat here hold on i think i paused
the chat earlier but it seems like it,
um,
stopped being paused.
They're like,
yeah.
Hey,
thanks for making that nice hash video.
I made 50 bucks so far.
Like,
yep.
So lots of people were,
sorry.
I said,
that's a lot to make in that time.
But I guess like if you're,
if you're a household too,
like if you have two or more gaming computers,
it can add up really quickly. so you know what there that that's pretty much it so yeah some people were upset um not
unjustifiably so some people weren't upset and we actually were like hey thanks for bringing this to
my attention i had no idea it was this easy um So we're not taking the video down.
But we're also just going to, we're going to sunset working with NiceHash,
or for that matter, just any cryptocurrency, anything for a while here.
And we'll come back to you guys.
We'll talk to you guys if there's a deal that looks like we think it makes sense.
And we'll make sure that you guys agree
before we do anything else like that.
I mean, it's not the only category that we've just gone,
you know what, this is too controversial.
I just, I don't want anything to do with it.
We're, you know what, no, I'm not gonna name any other ones
because I think it's gonna make it too clear exactly,
you know, who made a stink and, you know, what was problematic and who we cut off.
I don't want to get into that. But there are other categories that we just outright don't touch.
I mean, one example that we've never touched. Oh, what's that?
I just I just thought of one.
Gray market keys are one that we just we avoid altogether.
Some people work with them. We don't judge them, but it's just something we've never been comfortable with um oh fair and says
i think one of the big issues on nice hash was the phoenix ordeal um yeah i don't know the full
details of what happened between them it's honestly a little over my head uh more than two minutes of reading was all i was
really willing to put into it because by that point i had already decided we're just this just
isn't worth it we're not gonna we're not gonna do this anymore so i kind of it's not that i don't
care it's just that uh it didn't factor into my decision because it was already made so i haven't
spent a bunch of time um i do think that spurred a lot of the community backlash.
There's been some, definitely some emotions flying in that space.
But yeah.
Tim SP says, and what about not talking about the environmental impacts of crypto?
So again, I don't think that the intent of cryptocurrency was for all of the Bitcoin
to get mined in such short order to have these, you know, the power of a
country, you know, running this thing. I don't think that was the point of it. And if it was,
if it was actually being used the way it was supposed to be used, I don't think it would be
as big of a problem. And I specifically said, I specifically said in the video that if you're
using electric heat for your house, this is a way that you can make money instead of spending money with your electric heating.
It's not that I support, you know, putting your mining rig in an air conditioned room, you know, I don't think that's responsible.
I don't want people, you know, running out and wasting power either.
want people you know running out and wasting power either but i also again don't think that small scale mining from retail gamers is the fundamental problem here um let me just see if
there's anyone else talking um all right yep can i segue you yeah yeah hit me what are we talking about now speaking of retail
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oh, oh, Linus, this is a sponsorship from VPN
that we've never actually worked with.
And the number of people that are upset
about sort of misleading VPN marketing,
it's crazy.
Because with PIA,
A, no, we don't work with other VPNs.
We have in the past.
Our total VPN history, you know?
You know, like when you meet someone and you're like,
all right, how many?
My VPN history is... Okay, well, we got Hotspot Shield, TunnelBear.
Got a few notches on the belt.
Sorry?
Got a few notches on the belt.
Yeah, not that many though.
Not a huge amount.
I mean, wasn't that it? Hotspot Shield and TunnelBear?
Those are the only ones I remember.
I think so. Then PIA. Okay. So PIA, those are the only VPNs we've ever worked with.
And PIA is the only one we've been working with for years now.
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That's it.
We don't tell you that PIA does anything it doesn't do.
And we don't tell you it doesn't do anything it does.
Okay.
The point is adding a VPN masks your IP
and encrypts traffic to and from your devices.
That's it.
It's not a magic bullet to make it
so that you are an invisible ghost on the internet
or anything like that.
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that should be part of any privacy enthusiast's toolkit.
It has reliable service with no bandwidth caps.
So if you're a filthy pirate,
then PIA is not going to be like,
hey, you used too much bandwidth this month
doing whatever it is that you were doing.
They have configurable encryption
and an internet kill switch
to keep you in control of your connection.
And when combined with private browsing,
PIA can even make websites think
you are in a different country.
They allow up to 10 devices at once
with clients for Windows, macOS, Android, iOS, and Linux.
And I would never advocate for family sharing with a plan.
Netflix gets real upset about family sharing.
I would never advocate for that,
but PIA allows you to connect up to 10 devices at once
with clients for Windows, macOS, Android, iOS, and Linux.
And they recently launched a dedicated IP option
that has absolutely zero connection to your account
or to who you are.
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while you have a smoother experience
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Because when you're on a VPN,
sometimes like every site you go to
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So if you just have one IP, it means when you go back to that site the next time, it's chill.
They already have over 24,000 servers in 77 countries,
and you can try them risk-free with their 30-day money-back guarantee at lmg.gg slash PIA when.
So no misleading marketing, ladies and gentlemen.
And no, we don't work with any other vpns just pia
pia please don't have any big controversies thank you very much that'd be great yeah if you guys
could just stay chill and awesome and we could just work with you forever then that'd be awesome
because honestly i feel like if we had to go through the whole vpn breakup thing again i might just be like luke i got some bad news you're making a vpn
fullplanevpn.com only canada yeah the only servers we have
um so someone is asking uh is it five or 10 devices? Someone else responded it was five.
It is now 10.
Does that sound correct?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Sometimes we probably still say five because some of our,
all the channels have different copy and some of them get updated more often
than others.
So if you've heard conflicting information from us, it's, it's 10.
So.
Oh, geez.
AJ just said, nice.
I'm in. Oh, jeez. AJ just said, nice, I'm in.
No, no.
So we've looked into it enough to know
that it's more complicated than it seems.
And I don't, I don't, I honestly,
I'm so happy to just work with PIA
and have them pay us for sponsorship
and let them deal with that liability
because I don't feel like, you know,
going up against some government that wants me to
hand over records or whatever i don't need that in my life i just yeah that doesn't sound great
at all i just don't i don't want it all right do you want to talk about what which thing the thing i'm disappointed about yeah i can i did i don't know
i'm not yeah no it's fine i think it would be interesting yeah i'm not going to give too many
details but basically we had uh an opportunity to get a new headquarters for Linus Media Group.
There's probably some people internally,
this will be the first they're hearing about the outcome because there were kind of rumors swirling.
We had talked to some of the management about it,
but not everyone.
But LMG, Critter Warehouse, Floatplane
would have all been able to be consolidated
because it was like an absolutely gorgeous
and very large site.
And unfortunately, we ran into some issues with the, I don't want to bore you guys with all the
details, but something, something, the area needed city services brought into it in order to be
developed. And the existing developer that's doing like a nearby development would have to
get all of their development costs reimbursed by latecomers before we would get anything and
it looks like um it looks like because of that the numbers are just they're bad. They're real bad. It was going to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of double
what the price of the land was to get the land in a state where it could actually be built on
and would probably take anywhere from eight to 10 years before we actually walk through the front of our new headquarters. So I am extremely, extremely disappointed. I'm gutted.
And I am just going to have to keep searching. We haven't managed to find, I mean, we were just,
we were so excited about this thing. We went as far as having an accepted offer on the property.
And it was during the due diligence period where we found all these challenges that were not apparent on the surface
that the whole thing fell apart. And another thing that sucks is, hey, you know how, you know,
I lost a bunch of money on my GameStop investment? Let me tell you, commercial real estate,
Investment, let me tell you, commercial real estate, due diligence costs a lot more than throwing money into GameStonks.
All right. A lot more.
So, yeah, let's go ahead and move on.
That's it. That's my that's my sad story.
I was very excited. And now I am now i'm back to the drawing board my mic was muted but um yeah i mean people could probably get actually a pretty good estimate of the cost there i mean
maybe not that great but like they're they're substantial yeah tens of thousands basically
and it's down the drain like it's due diligence diligence that just to be, you know, good guys, we're giving it to the seller to be like, hey, maybe this will save you some time with the next person who comes along.
You guys can sort of try to try to reach a deal and it won't take so long because we think they are under some pressure to sell some financial pressure.
So we're trying to like help them out because we spent weeks on reports and analysis and consultants.
Better do that than throw it away.
Yeah, it's better for them to have it than for us to literally just take all the documents and put it in the garbage.
You know, well, we paid for this, so no one else should have it.
That's not my jam, but i'm still not stoked on it
um 11th gen core lineup unveiled as more reviews leak intel gets a little desperate in total there
are 19 SKUs 30 including low-end comet lake refreshes so these are just like rebranded
11th gen but actually last gen and it's not looking that compelling um
there's a lot of overlap industry speculation is that the core i7 11700k and kf will basically
offer the same performance as the 11900k because it appears that they are, wait, are these both eight cores now? Yeah,
man, they have eight core. So the i7 and the i9 are both eight core chips. And it's just that the
i9 boosts 300 megahertz higher, but do they both have turbo velocity boost right but you could probably manually no no okay the i7
doesn't have turbo velocity boost but then my understanding is you can basically manually
tune that for the most part anyway if you have the patience for it or no not quite no not quite
it won't behave quite the same you can probably get slightly more performance out of tvb if you
have an adequate cooler which which is where Intel's
like subambient Peltier effect coolers came in. And then they've got six cores, 11, that's the
i5 range. Yeah, that's basically all i5s are six core processors. That is a lot of, wow, that's
how many freaking, that is 19 SKUs of just six and eight core i5s to i9s.
In a lot of places, 50 or less dollar gaps.
Yeah.
Here, actually, here, I can just throw display caps over here.
Anthony threw this in here.
RC Mail posted this on the forum, by the way.
But yeah, these are like, but what, like, okay, so this this is a low power one and this is a not low
power one they're the same price this is a ten dollar difference for this one versus this one
um um okay for the other low power one you save 15 bucks or 25 for an F which doesn't have onboard graphics. So that's neat, I guess.
Okay, okay. I was really hoping Rocket Lake was going to really surprise me.
Really going to take off?
Well, I mean, just because a rocket takes off doesn't mean it can't still explode.
True.
SpaceX taught us this. you can have a successful
launch and still uh still have it go boom and that can actually still be a good thing oddly enough
but at the end of the day the early reviews which i personally think we can probably just
you know treat as reviews uh you know if we were talking about engineering
sample silicon early silicon sure fine but these are retail chips like let's get real
uh ridiculous thermals and disappointing performance seem to be the defining traits
next to amd
yeah and speaking of weak marketing intel has just decided to make it personal
with recently divorced Apple. That is awesome. The fact that they hired Justin Long to talk
about how PCs are better. I actually, I actually like this move. I think it's really funny. I think
it's cheeky. I think it's about time Intel had some attitude, uh, instead of just like being corporate and boring. So Justin Long used to be
the Mac from the I'm a Mac commercials, for those of you who don't know. And Intel did some ads with
him that point out things like that PCs come in all shapes and sizes, they've got touchscreens,
they've got support for external devices, all that kind of stuff. With that said, I haven't actually watched the spots yet.
So hopefully they're not really bad.
Can I just, you know what?
Luke, okay, well.
I just watched one.
There's five.
I watched Having Choices.
It's pretty all right.
It's pretty good.
Okay. Let me pretty good. Okay.
Let me have a look here.
Oh, that's just in the
notes.
Okay, he uses a touch screen. It's on some
Asus machine. Another
touch screen. Oh, okay. It's Asus' cool
one with the two touch screens.
Got a little touch bar. Okay, you know what? They're not bad. They're
actually not bad. I think they're fine. Yeah, I'm down. I'm down. I'm into it. I think they're
funny. I mean, realistically, Rocket Lake is going to be successful enough for Intel just because AMD can't make enough chips, but
which one is it?
Justin gets real having choices. 16 seconds.
oh wait what why why wouldn't they just have the laptop actually there i guess doing a screen replace will actually give you a cleaner look sometimes um so oh wait shoot uh there we go
uh sorry about that yeah luke said we need to go to 16 seconds and
look at his hands so yeah I know why they would have done this sometimes glare when you're shooting
can be very problematic so just replacing the screen in post can give you a better result
but I mean it's not that's not great it's not a good look when you look like you kind of have a motion track your your thing
Yeah
Yeah, that's that's really not great
Okay, all right
Do you think they should have stuck with the original format? No, it's had like two people talking
No, I think this is really personable. I think this No. It just had like two people talking? No.
I think this is really personable.
I think this is what they were trying to communicate.
I'm Justin.
I'm a normal guy.
And having choice is good.
With that said, Intel is going to have to do a lot more than that to combat Apple Silicon.
I mean, we've only seen literally the baby Apple Silicon.
This is basically an iPad processor on Roids.
Like, that's all we've seen so far.
And I don't, the way Mac people were mad at me for describing it that way still makes no sense to me.
That's what it is. That's what it always was. It's an iPad chip on Roids. I'm not saying the iPad is bad. I never said that. iPad's amazing. We've made a lot of videos lately about how the iPad has become a computer. So, but anyway,
what I'm trying to say is we've only seen little itty baby Apple Silicon. They still have like,
you know, big Apple Silicon coming. And if it's anywhere near as good as, you know,
baby Apple Silicon, then Intel has quite the fight on their hands.
All right, what else we got, Luke?
Why don't you do a topic?
I feel like I've been talking the whole time.
Sorry.
AMD launches the RX 6700 XT.
The Radeon RX 6700 XT launched on Thursday.
Oh, can you pick something less boring?
Okay. Oof. They launched the 6700 XT. It was not... Okay. Oof.
They launched the 6700 XT.
It was not as good as we hoped.
There.
It was fine.
I'm kind of surprised
you hoped for more.
I don't even really think
they alluded to being able to promise for more
to be completely honest. But anyways we can we can move on google slashes play store fees with a twist and
this is actually kind of interesting we've been talking about this for a while mostly on the apple
side of things um but this is this is some some interesting kind of steps in the right direction
google has announced that starting July 1st, 2021,
the service fee Google Play receives
is being reduced by half from 30% to 15%.
15% is much closer to in line
with a lot of other competing services
for the first 1 million US dollars of revenue
for every developer.
Now this is still terrifying to be completely clear.
Yeah.
Because if your app takes off at some point and you do have high overhead, losing 15%, I was going to say randomly, but not randomly, right?
When you cross that line, losing 15% could be horrifying, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.
This comes on the heels of a similar cut by Apple spread by the ongoing epic games legal saga google says we believe this is a fair approach that aligns with
google's broader mission to help all developers succeed yeah very cool you're just going to have
to make sure that as a developer you are ready to stomach that 15 loss once you get there uh so you
have to be pay you're gonna have to pay a lot of attention to your income through the Play Store and what that's going to mean for you moving forward.
And I'm sure it will be communicated quite openly.
But I hope that not just people that read like The Verge are going to know about this.
I'm sure they will.
But yeah, the most notable difference between Google and Apple's approach is that Google is giving 15% to every developer every year for the first million dollars. That's also
a very interesting thing. Because I have been talking about how it is a big hit, but it's not
a big hit. That's going to just like immediately crush your company the second you get over that
dollar value. That's a really cool big difference. It's kind of like how income tax works, where your first, no matter who you are, your first
20,000 is at a very, very low tax rate. And then it scales up from there, but it doesn't increase
your taxes on the first. Astronomically more sense to me, because we talked about the Apple
approach. And I pushed forward a lot of what I just said of like you need to be wary of this whatever but with the google one you need to be wary of it but if you push the
line the doors of your store don't immediately close if you can't stomach that percentage yeah
because you're still making that percentage on the first million and if you make 50 grand over the million, you're only paying an additional 50% on that.
Yeah.
I might have just said 50.
I mean 15.
Which that's just, yeah, makes way more sense to me.
I think it's very cool.
Google notes that about 3% of Android developers
actually charge for either downloading their apps
or for digital in-app purchases to begin with.
And only 1% of those developers
make more than a million on that.
That is true.
There is also a lot of developers on the App Store,
which would have been me in high school if I was in high school right now,
just posting random stuff.
So those numbers are definitely inflated a bit.
But there isn't all that many companies that are going to run a million dollars of revenue through one of the various
ways to acquire their product.
So yeah, I mean, it's very true.
I just, I think this is very cool.
I mean, I would prefer if it was just 15% always, but the way it's doing it.
Sorry?
You're a little biased.
Oh, for sure.
Yes. A whole disclosure, Luke works're a little biased. Oh, for sure. Yes.
Full disclosure, Luke works for a company
that develops an app for...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like maybe my opinion on this doesn't matter as much.
But I will absolutely give them credit
for the way that they're doing it.
Doing it on just the first 1 million thing
makes a ton of sense.
I could even see if they did a different thing.
I don't know what
number it would have to be. Maybe it was 5 million or something. But once you cross that threshold,
they were just like, all right, buddy, screw it. You're paying 30 on the whole thing,
something like that. I'd even accept that. But just at the very least, making it so that
that first transition is smooth is huge. I was going to say, if anything,
I think once you're at like 5 million or whatever,
you should be treated like a valued partner
and your rate should be lower.
I don't think it should be 30%
once you're bringing in so much business.
Traditional business works.
Yeah, so that makes sense.
Yeah, good point.
It's the middle.
It's always the middle class that pays for everyone else
because you have to subsidize the small fish
and the big fish, well, they throw their weight around.
And so I don't necessarily,
there's a lot of problems with that system.
Absolutely.
But if anything, I would think on something like the App Store,
it would make more sense.
I don't
fundamentally disagree with epic games's stance that 30 of their revenue on like a billion dollars or whatever is sort of unreasonable for what is essentially a file hosting service um and yes i'm
i'm simplifying i'm definitely simplifying but i also think that we only have to look as far as Apple and Google's quarterly disclosures to know that they are immensely profitable in these areas, the Play Store and Because it just, I mean, the fear that a company would have approaching that $1 million mark.
Like you'd think as a company, you'd be so stoked.
Like, okay, we just, we pushed our revenues on this platform to a million dollars.
We should have like a company party or something.
But instead, they're just like, oh God, we're going to lose so much money so much money and that's i mean there's social support programs that are like that too i remember
talking to my sister about one she was telling me about it and i was just like what so the way it
works is basically any money that you make goes comes straight out of the support check and i was
like why and i was she's like i don't know but it's not
yeah people that i know they're just like why would i bother to work i get paid literally zero
dollars for like doing casual work to try and improve my standard of living and just because
i'm doing some casual work doesn't mean that i don't still need support that i'm not still disabled
it just means that you know i'm basically what it does is
it discourages people from transitioning back into the workplace yeah i hate systems like that because
not only does it discourage people from transitioning back into the workplace but it also
directly heavily encourages um like illegal practices because what's what's the first
thing you'd probably want to do is not declare my income yeah exactly so then as a taxpayer i'm sitting here going wait so we are incentivizing these
people to hide their what little income they have out of fear that we're so that they won't pay any
taxes out of fear that they're sorry what what are we trying to accomplish here yeah like that's just
that you're you're putting a bunch of uh
tape and bureaucracy on something that that just needlessly complicates it and makes
a bunch of bullcrap happen it doesn't actually solve any actual problems it's just so mojo says
here about developers of different sizes the solution is to not let the big fish throw their
weight around the thing is though for app developers even the biggest fish are you know they're tuna okay they're getting
eaten they're getting eaten by the real apex predators which are of course apple google
microsoft etc megalodons i think the mega megalodons uh there was one other topic that i
wanted to hit here. Ah, yes.
SX8200 Pro Bounty Update.
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We can't respond to everyone due to the volume of
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more selections. Thank you very much, everyone. And AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining
performance. They basically said, no, we will not be blocking any workload, not mining, not anything
else. We're going to keep optimizing for gaming and designing our cards for gaming but we're not gonna like hamper their mining performance and i agree with their stance that's
the same thing i said about nvidia's announcement for the 3060 i think it doesn't solve anything
and it's just it's just harming end users for no apparent reason isn't it isn't it great when when doing absolutely nothing makes you the good
guy i know right isn't that awesome it's like yeah you gotta cherish those moments yeah it's
like just sitting and watching your opponent self immolate this is fine this is cool yeah
uh oh i have an update.
Speaking of doing absolutely nothing,
we have been doing lots
to get the verified actual gamer program running.
Man, do you guys have any idea
how much this is killing me?
I already paid for this hardware.
It's sitting in the warehouse.
It's like it's ready to go,
but we ran into some challenges.
There was a bit of a communication snafu,
something, something, tariffs, something, something something draft orders something something the system we spend a bunch of
time building doesn't work so uh yuki bless him the rest of the float plane team luke you two
have been working like crazy to get it working because the last thing we want to do is have even a single card go into the
hands of someone who is not a verified actual gamer we'd rather be late than to do it wrong
so we're gonna i i should never have said we were gonna launch it last week um i shouldn't have said
we were gonna launch it this week i'm just to say anything. It will go live when it goes live. And if you guys are watching the videos and paying close attention, and if you are an
actual gamer and you can verify it, then you will have a chance to get one of these cards. Again,
the partners we're working with so far are Asus, MSI, and AMD. They have all been extremely generous
and very supportive of the program. And they were
just like, yeah, this is a really cool concept. And you guys will get all the details when that
video drops, which will hopefully be sooner rather than later. So a bunch of people in the chat said,
why don't you just not sell them to Americans? That would have made this wildly more simple, but is also kind of against the whole idea of it.
Yes.
So we're going to get it done. It's going to be okay.
We'll get her done. Yes, the tariffs were one of the most complicated things because, A, there's getting the mechanisms working correctly. And B, there's getting the communication right.
I don't want to call Americans spoiled.
But I will say that from my experience dealing with Americans,
they have a lot less experience dealing with things like import duties.
They just sort of fundamentally don't really understand
why hardware is more expensive in Brazil, say, for example,
or, you know, why the price tag goes up at the till. In Canada, we're a lot more used to dealing
with it because we live in a very Amero-centric kind of culture, but we're not American. We're
sort of third-party observers. So, for example, when a new product product launches unless it's a really major brand like Apple
It is very normal for it to have a price in US dollars
And then a price in Canadian dollars and that price in US dollars is fixed
And then to have a price in Canadian dollars that actually just floats based on the US to Canadian exchange rate
So we're used to we've seen it before a graphics card that goes up 10% in price because the Canadian dollar plummets in 2008, for example.
So it's just sort of a fact of life or bananas.
You know, the price of bananas will just fluctuate wildly week to week.
Whereas I think a lot of Americans enjoy being in such a large market that they are sort of the, well, it's the USD, right? Like they are the price
or the sort of go-to-market strategy against which everyone else is sort of pegged and floats around.
So enjoy it, you guys. But it would also means that sometimes things happen, like your
administration puts tariffs on products from another country,
say for example, China, and when that happens,
there is no point taking it out on
manufacturers or retailers. It is what it is.
And it's not as simple as building graphics cards
in America. Sorry. Like, the entire
supply chain, you know, even just getting the capacitors
that would go on the boards would
have to be retooled. This is a half a decade operation, not something that can just be,
you know, turned on when someone slaps an import tariff on something. So, you know,
the last thing we wanted to do was not communicate it properly. If this was a European, for example,
they're already used to having something show up
with like, you know, $40 in VAT on it. So that's their value add tax. Whereas, like I said, our
experience working with Americans is that they're just not accustomed to import duties on things
because, well, why isn't it shipped from America? Everything ships from America. Yes, yeah, I mean, most things do, but some things don't. So that's where we're at.
So we just want to make sure that it works properly and everything is communicated properly.
People like make it Canada only. That would have, oh man, that would have made it so much easier.
That's another thing too, is that we we've our experience dealing with American consumers is that part of not really understanding why this experience is different from everything they've experienced before is being angry about it.
And we're not looking to make our community angry.
We are looking to put cards in the hands of gamers.
That's the whole goal.
There is.
Let me tell you guys, there is not enough money in this for me
for it to be worth making our community angry over at all. If this is not net helpful and people
aren't into it, I don't even care. I will send the remaining products back to the distributors
and we will discontinue the program. So if you don't get one and you're mad,
keep your mouth shut
because if you complain,
you're going to ruin it
for someone who might have gotten one of the next ones.
Could be you.
We are doing our absolute best.
No, there are not enough cards.
No, there are not enough CPUs.
Not everyone will get one.
But what we are doing is we are making sure
that whoever does get one is a we are doing is we are making sure that whoever does
get one is a verified actual gamer that's it and to to add a little asterisk on that yeah we can't
necessarily guarantee that they're not going to flip it no we can't but we can guarantee that
they'll be a gamer so for better or for worse they're one of our own who turned to the dark side yeah we can't
guarantee that they're not going to flip it we can't guarantee that they're not going to just
let it sit in mine all the time but we're doing our doing our darndest to make sure that they got
to be one of us one of us as much as possible tyric says i love how some of us Americans get triggered when we don't get what we want and someone explains why. Yeah. All right. Anyway, let's go ahead and go through some super chats.
It's been a good chat. I don't know. It's always tough because I'm like, I'm not,
I'm not saying that, um, like it's not, it's not a bad thing. It's not like Americans are bad or mean or whatever.
It's just not something they're used to.
I've just spent my whole life knowing that prices for things go up and down.
And I might pay an extra arbitrary 50 bucks of import duties on an order of something that I want because it probably ships from the States.
Like, it's just, it's a fact of my life that I'm just used to i've gone through all the stages of grief already whereas you guys are you guys are
just getting started you know what i'm saying you gotta start with some denial you get some anger up
in there something that constantly blows my mind while you're looking up a super chat here yeah
is uh just because if you look at like a population chart of Canada, we basically all live on the border.
Oh yeah.
We basically all border the US and that's obviously not true for Americans.
So this totally makes sense,
but it also blows my mind because essentially every Canadian you talk to has
a passport,
currently valid passport.
Yes.
I know very,
very few people that don't have a currently valid passport um i think the majority of americans that i know don't have a currently
valid passport yeah and every single time it comes up i'm just like why not what
we invited someone to ltx one of the years and they were like, oh, man, I don't know.
I'm going to have to like get a passport.
And I was like, excuse me, what?
Yeah.
Wait, what?
I was like, oh, you just need to get it renewed?
And they're like, no, I need to get a passport.
And I was like, you're a grown man.
Like, why don't you have a passport?
What?
So it's just, there are some little cultural differences.
And the answer was as simple as, well, why would I ever have needed to leave America?
And I'm like, oh, I don't know.
I guess.
Winnie says,
finally got to watch you live.
Greetings from Romania.
Scrapyard Wars, LMG versus DIY perks.
When?
I mean, not anytime soon,
but with travel restrictions and all that,
but I would be totally, totally down.
You guys got to do something with him at some point.
We got really close years back back but i'd love to see
a perks uh diy perks collab he's super cool um timothy says you guys should buy the whole
building you're in and lease out the parts you don't use okay cool idea good idea solid investment
advice investing in commercial real estate is an a plus game plan, especially here in the lower mainland
where there is not nearly enough industrial land. Sort of to throw a little bit of water on that
fire that you got burning over there. Right now, it's about a half a million dollars per thousand
square feet. Okay. So, you know, that's real expensive. That's real costly. Um, real,
it's a real pricey. Um, actually it's probably closer to a dollar or $350 a square foot to buy
right now, industrial, industrial, uh, uh, space. Uh, so yeah, sure. You know, like if I wanted to
spend millions of dollars to get them back slowly over the next 20 years, then yes, sure. You know, like if I wanted to spend millions of dollars to get them back
slowly over the next 20 years, then yes, I could do that. Or, or, or I could spend it all on water
bottles and mouse pads. And then you guys could have water bottles and mouse pads on lttstore.com.
So it's all about allocating your funds correctly. And for me, investing in real estate is something
that I do do. I mean,
I don't know if I've ever talked about this, but we own the units that we occupy right now.
So that's five units of the building that we're in. Each is about 2000 square feet plate.
And we've built some mezzanine above it and stuff like that. So I'm definitely down when it comes
to investing in commercial real estate. But it's also, you know, if Linus Media Group made a million dollars, let's say, it would be far more wise for me to take that
million dollars and hire more engineers or a social media coordinator or better equipment
for the shop, make better content for you guys, invest it back in the business rather than
investing it in a box that I then lease out to somebody because that's not the business I'm in,
leasing property. I'm in the business of making content. Frosty, Linus, you inspire me daily.
Keep being you. Hey, thanks, Frosty. You keep being you. Ilya says, hey, Linus, hope you'll
put your vacation to good use use You've become unprecedentedly annoying
For the last month or so
Unprecedentedly annoying? No, no, no, no
Let me tell you, I've been very annoying in my life
Luke, Luke
Did he give you money to say you were annoying?
Yeah, 100 rubles, I don't know how much money that is
You need to be more annoying
I guess so, oh, okay
I mean, I think I can do that, hold on, let me work on this
Alright, I'm going to
Go ahead, go ahead and
do some more of our super chats here.
Scott Briggs says, love the channel. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, Scott. Hold on. Hold on. I think we can make this more annoying.
William Hendricks says,
Is that annoying enough? We oh my goodness cyrus zur says wouldn't tell you your business
if it saves the opportunity if utility issues could monetize vids on diy oh yeah the oh man
the diy uh septic incinerator etc etc yeah yeah. We were super down to do like a really cool,
like self-sufficient eco, like green build-out
that was not in the vision.
We would not have gotten a development permit for it.
So that's ultimately one of the things that canned the deal.
A really good idea.
Definitely share your vision.
We just couldn't make it work.
Jacob asks,
any plans to include some sort of code compilation benchmark
in your toolkit?
Yeah, that's something that we should probably do.
I'll fire that over to Anthony right now.
Let's make sure.
Code compilation in upcoming CPU reviews.
Because I think, don't we do a Firefox compile?
Actually, I think we do.
Never mind, I'm not going to send him that. I'm pretty sure we actually do that already. Oh, see you later. reviews because i think don't we do a firefox compile actually i think we do never mind i'm
not going to send them that i'm pretty sure we actually do that already oh see you later
flowplane chat has been asking about two different things one of them i'm sure there isn't an answer
on and the other one i'm 99 sure there isn't an answer on um dell update uh dell update i have
not heard anything so i can't force it unfortunately that one was the one that I was totally sure. The other one is shoe dryer.
Shoe dryer.
Yes.
Progress.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Kyle's working on it.
It these kinds of things take time.
Anything with molding, anything with electronics design.
We want it to be extremely safe.
The idea now is that it would also serve as a battery bank.
And what else did we kind of,
so I forget what exactly, I forget where exactly we're at on it, but it is absolutely still being developed. Yes. And it is still something that I, that I need because it would be great for more
than just like sports shoes, even just throwing it in like your hockey
bag just having a little bit of air circulation we've already done the pre-validation of the
concept and it's it's way better way better even in a closed bag just having the air moving around
is infinitely better so it's it's definitely even as a tiny fan makes like a many many many hour difference to how quickly it dries out so we we will do it it's just, even as a tiny fan, makes like a many, many, many hour difference
to how quickly it dries out.
So we will do it.
It's just a matter of time.
Yeah.
If you're searching for a Super Chat
while you're searching,
they're also asking for an update on mouse pads, desk pads.
Desk pads will come when they come
and it should be soon,
but kind of like verified actual gamer program. The'll tell you guys this mouse pads are like the time away that they are
should be measured in weeks not months but we've run into so many production and shipping delays
that i just don't want to i don't want to say anything until they're in the warehouse
and patrick and the crew are ready to like ready to to go, ready to just do it, ship them out.
I just, I just don't want to say anything because what's the point?
Yeah.
Lenny says, European here.
Excuse my terrible English.
I'm German.
Your English is great.
Great punctuation and everything.
Love your content and your beard looks really nice.
Hey, thanks.
Oh, you have an invader.
Vinay says, Linus, please take care on your vacation.
Your skin's starting to look unhealthy recently.
Oh, that's probably because I was up till like 4.30 in the morning playing Anno.
So the unhealthy skin is because of vacation.
Not going to be fixed by vacation.
DevSnack says, I'm a bit behind in the stream,
but in reply to the intent of crypto and its environmental impact, I think it's worth talking about the reality instead of the ideals. Yeah,
that's fair. That's really fair. And in reality, I'm super against large scale crypto farms. I
think it's not helpful. And in reality, I'm still okay with small scale individuals.
Gerage says, would you consider an option to get notified when desk pad is in stock
like email uh luke floatplane is actually doing some shopify development for us is uh is an out
of stock notification something that is in is i believe that's in the in the yeah yep okay we're
very very much focused on verified actual gamer but that but I'm fairly certain that is in the queue of things.
Chris Deitch, hopefully we're going to have you set up.
Hopefully you'll be a verified actual gamer and get hooked up here.
And The Gaming Sir says, as an American, I don't get to pick the tariffs.
We deal with the price that's provided to us like anyone else, but I appreciate the effort to deal with our stupid trade war laws.
And thanks for no more Raid Shadow Legends.
We know you don't get to pick the tariffs. We deal with a price that's provided like everyone else. But what's confusing, I think,
for a lot of Americans is that you guys were quoted MSRP when these products launched.
And then after that, the US government added a 25% tariff, plus costs went up on a lot of the
components. So now you might feel like you're
getting swindled and like the retailers marking it up 25%, but actually it's a government tariff.
A lot of people don't follow the news that carefully, and they're not going to
understand the difference there. General Disregard says, verified actual gamer program.
Did it ever dawn on you that you're buying cards gamers could have and are now holding them for an excessive amount of time? How many are you holding? We've got in total about 500. Yes,
it's a lot, but the only reason we're holding them is to make sure that they get into the hands of
actual gamers and we will do it as soon as humanly possible. I have a very good feeling, and I'm not going to name any names because I'm just not interested
in starting a gong show behind the scenes right now.
But it is my belief that there are retailers that I know of who had stock at launch of
cards that I know how much they got where the numbers didn't match up.
And so it is my belief that these cards
are safer in our warehouse
than if we had given them to a retailer
and hoped that they would make their way to gamers.
And we're not holding them for that long.
Yeah, we've only had them since I tweeted.
That was when the first shipment arrived.
The second shipment came after that one.
And then the third one, the last 300 cards have not actually arrived yet.
So we're dealing with it.
We're working on it.
It's just this has been technically quite a bit more difficult than we hoped.
That's what it comes down to.
I think there's one last super chat that I saw.
Pwn for Skittles, another $10, but I want to know what else I should eat for dinner.
Skittles was a no-go last time.
Try some shepherd's pie.
I'm a big shepherd's pie guy, all right?
You go for it.
You enjoy that shepherd's pie.
Think of me while you're eating it.
Shoot, where, there was one, crap.
Oh yes, okay.
Last super chat.
Fawlty asks, who is the best pony?
Definitely gotta be Applejack for me all right this is like this is like dead dead meme all day like really my little pony is like 20 2014
but uh yeah definitely definitely applejack wait are you a brony so it's complicated right because
i definitely am not into like you know the fan art and stuff like that.
That is 100% not my thing.
I just don't get into any of that.
I love the animation style.
I think it's super cute.
I think it's really fun.
I think it's sweet.
I love a lot of the music.
What's his name?
Daniel composer, Daniel Ingram.
I think he is awesome.
Just straight up.
I absolutely love his work.
He's a Canadian.
He actually lives here in Vancouver.
He's one of those people that's like low key.
I think just incredibly incredibly
talented um some of the music in the show is i think understanding um i just i like it i have
watched it on my own but typically it's my daughters watch it they're uh they're four and
six so they're right up right in that age that up pretty well. They love it. And I enjoy it when I sit and watch it with them.
Why not?
Who cares?
All right.
Well, I think that's pretty much it.
Thank you guys very much for tuning in to The WAN Show.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye. Enjoy that sweet, same bad channel. Bye.
Enjoy that sweet, shiny new intro.
Someone asked Anno.
Oh, this is, yeah, cool.
Yeah, maybe.
Oh, wait,... Yeah, cool. Yeah, maybe. Oh, wait.
That's me.
I love these things, man.